🔱┃sentinel

[foggy sorrel]

I only played to lvl 40/50 or so a couple cycles ago and vaguely remember warpath and echos

[covert phoenix]

just a staff and don't lightning convert

[rancid lantern]

for some reason I forgot those also roll -mana cost

[eager carbon]

they explictly say they consume mana, i have never encoutered an echo consuming mana

or i might have played with 0 mana cost

can't DW maces

[rancid lantern]

ye but you could do firestarter and offhand a sword

I suppose

[covert phoenix]

yes, but saying "echoes don't consume mana" in this context implies that the smite conversion and bladestorm don't cost mana when echoed

[rancid lantern]

That said, staff seems better

[covert phoenix]

they do

[rancid lantern]

for the +1

[rancid lantern]

hybrid staff base ?

[thorn raft]

is void knight pure spell caster viable in the upcoming season?

[covert phoenix]

nobody care if a 0 mana cost skill don't cost mana if echoed

[rancid lantern]

It should be far more viable, yes.

@covert phoenix Also why not lightning convert?

@covert phoenix and what staff base are you seeing here

[covert phoenix]

because +5 manacost

[rancid lantern]

Ah yeah

duh

[covert phoenix]

and temple staff

[rancid lantern]

figured

aight

[slim spire]

yes ofc, this is the only class with spin to win

[rancid lantern]

lemme cook on that for a bit

thatll be my 2nd cook

brb in a bit

[covert phoenix]

but honestly, I think the smite bladestorm thing is gigabait

[rancid lantern]

I think it might be a nice combination with divine bolt from paladin

[foggy sorrel]

Fantastic, how does one go about making a build for it? I think I went some kind of dark knight spinning around creating copies of myself last time

[rancid lantern]

allow me guys

[rancid lantern]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/paladin-leveling-guide -> https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide

[covert phoenix]

Maxroll.............................

[rancid lantern]

Hey

[foggy sorrel]

Thanks!

[rancid lantern]

its good for beginners

:p

[foggy sorrel]

I'm not an ARPG beginner but know very little of Last Epoch

[covert phoenix]

they are spewing wild bullshit on a regular basis

[rancid lantern]

@covert phoenix Not on basic builds like this tho

[covert phoenix]

not sure if it's really beginner friendly

[rancid lantern]

they kinda do on the more complex ones

but warpath is really DIY

[covert phoenix]

I'm still not over the "Yeah, you should consume 8 orbs in order to buff the super orb for time rot"

like, son, you can't even get 8 orbs at the same time to begin with, what are you talking about

[rancid lantern]

you can

but its time consuming

[foggy sorrel]

I shall come back once I've read that guide, cheers

[rancid lantern]

all time consuming 😄

[foggy sorrel]

Prepare for more questions

[rancid lantern]

I wanna do a DO All consuming but non-time rot

see if that works well

[slim spire]

we can always just not answer you know 😄

[covert phoenix]

you can't, the spell has 4s CD, he has 10% CDR, and they last for 16s

[rancid lantern]

@covert phoenix +4 sec from VR

[covert phoenix]

he doesn't pick the node.

[rancid lantern]

@covert phoenix and i think you can also get +2 charges for DO

So technically feasible

[foggy sorrel]

Of course! That's your prerogative

[rancid lantern]

just not here

[covert phoenix]

technically feasible, in order to what... have a single orb doing 1 timerot per second (so you never reach 12 stacks) for 16s every 32s?

[slim spire]

j/k, if you're an arpg vet I advise you just wing it for your levelling since it's harder to follow out-of-date guides I feel like

or maybe they have updated it

idk

[foggy sorrel]

Yeah I've played a lot of D4 and PoE1/2

[still plinth]

I'm still not sure that All Consuming adds to Time Rot damage

[arctic tartan]

Fixed a display issue where Mark of Rot incorrectly said it caused enemies to take 100% increased void damage. It now correctly says 50%. It’s always been 50%, only the description was incorrect.

Fixed a display issue where Mark of Rot incorrectly said it caused enemies to take 100% increased void damage. It now correctly says 50%.

Am I missing something or are those the exact same two lines, besides the first having a clarification added?

[still plinth]

On the skill it says Orb damage, not the subskil or Ailment it inflict like the void pen one before it says

[covert phoenix]

it's also crazy the build is doing such a convoluted mess when multistrike is just plug and play and super easy to scale for time rot

[slim spire]

well I'm not sure about d4, but game is so much easier in campaign mode than poe1/2, you will need to hang on a bit before you get to the good part

some people will enjoy the easiness

others will get bored out of their mind

still the campaign is not that long tbh, and you do get tons of good campaign exclusive rewards

[covert phoenix]

I have yet to meet someone who enjoy playing the most clunky build ever created

"Ok, so in order to do the most damage, you have to use 3 orbs in quick succession, wait 4s, use reversal, use the orbs when they go off cd but be careful not to use one over another else it's all over, use reversal, and after 20s like that, you can finally use an orb over another in order to get... 400% more damage with half uptime?"

sounds super great to play

[clever hazel]

I'll stick to my "hold down one button" builds, thanks 👍

[foggy sorrel]

I'm sure I'll have fun!! I can't remember where I got to last time before new Poe league kicked off

[still plinth]

Again, it shouldn't work. All Consuming doesn't specify Ailment/Subskill

[covert phoenix]

it doesn't need to specify

[foggy sorrel]

But I was around lvl 40/50 and remember a sandy region

[covert phoenix]

if it doesn't mention "hit damage", ailments are included by default

[still plinth]

Uh? Then why is the wording for the skill just before it different?

[covert phoenix]

because it's super old

but this applies to ailment, for instance

this doesn't

this does

[junior wren]

are we bashing maxroll guides again? 👀

[covert phoenix]

they did manage to surpass themselves with this one

[arctic tartan]

I mean... I just saw that the time rot build doesn't use the ele taken as void node and I came here to complain

So maybe we are bashing maxroll guides

[covert phoenix]

the ele taken as void is not that great either

so it's not a dealbreaker

[still plinth]

uh

[slim spire]

oh so it is a tradition here

[junior wren]

Everyone seems to be focused on time rot, so I've taken the liberty of looking into VK Healing Hands and I tried to incorporate the new VR.

It's fairly simple, HH procs echoes and self-procs, it heals and later makes ward when you get the affix. Lots of flat damage from % inc healing.
VR to jump in, that procs Abyssal Echoes converted to Fire which also heals.
Sigils for buffs. Anomaly for buffs. Rebuke on bar because we can 😄
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1VdL0eQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (66) / Paladin (17)

General:

▸ Health: 3,452, Regen: 226.2/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 64/s
▸ Attributes: 68 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 109% / 77% / 72% / 82% / 76% / 76% / 82%
▸ EHP: 20,071 / 20,071 / 19,819 / 35,848 / 22,808 / 17,334 / 17,334

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 969
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,219)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Mortal Cleave, Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Healing Hands (22)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)

Used unique items:

• Yulia's Path

[slim spire]

nice

[junior wren]

VR also gives frenzy and % armor to DoT mitigation, but that requires some trigger discipline 😄

it should have over 3k HP + easily generate over 4K Ward

[rancid lantern]

@covert phoenix https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaKnKGrA something like this as initial cook

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (67) / Paladin (26)

General:

▸ Health: 3,987, Regen: 104/s
▸ Mana: 232.51, Regen: 12.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 45 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 66 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 159% / 105% / 105% / 94% / 76% / 66% / 66%
▸ EHP: 13,724 / 13,724 / 13,724 / 24,468 / 15,595 / 10,874 / 10,874

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 982
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (9,175)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Smite (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

None

[slim spire]

hmmm VR is really suspect tho. Is it really worth the 1 skill slot? I mean, idk what's better, just that the benefit seems a little bit small

[strange siren]

Guys is there a single 2h weapon that works for Shield Trow? Non-bleed build

[eager carbon]

you can use ST with any weapon

[rancid lantern]

i mean you want something just for moving around anyway and i dont think you wanna do lunge 😄

[junior wren]

guaranteed frenzy + autocast Abyssal Echoes which gives you another +20% attack speed buff

but if you don't like it, you can swap it for Smite + something to proc Smite + another skill of your choice. There's a lot of %inc healing, maybe javelin holy trail ?

then you'll have healing from Smite instead of Abyssal Echoes, still get the attack speed buff (and some flat fire damage), but no frenzy.

[slim spire]

oh ya that's the missing link

idk much about void stuff, so I missed out on the abyssal echoes synergy

[junior wren]

you could also remove VR, manually cast abyssal echoes and still get smite, and get buffs from both 😄

but frenzy, abyssal and smite all give 20% IAS, so it's trading one for another

[slim spire]

related to healing though, I'm going through your hh tree, and I noticed you don't take homeward and only 1 virtue patience and only 1 bane of evil, are they not worth maxed out over urgent healing?

[junior wren]

we don't need homeward, HH is converted to melee

and I have 2/2 in Bane of Evil

[slim spire]

ok, makes sense, how about virtue of patience?

[junior wren]

virtue of patience is LESS attack speed

so obviously you don't want to add the second point to get slower 😄

[slim spire]

omg

I misread it

I missed the fine prints LOL

[junior wren]

It's a little hidden, it only shows as -16% cast speed, but the fine print says it's multiplicative, so it's a LESS modifier, and then Seraph Blade changes it from cast speed to attack speed.

[slim spire]

ok I now need to choose between ward vs more upfront healing, which is better?

[junior wren]

whichever you prefer 😄

that's the beauty of this build, there's a lot of wiggle room, you can adjust it to your preferences

you could wear a shield and become tanky for example

[slim spire]

haha what's the average inc healing by endgame usually? I've never ever maxed out my char

[junior wren]

0 😄

average builds don't do inc healing

[slim spire]

I mean, people who actually go into healing hands

[junior wren]

I'd say 800% is a good goal

[slim spire]

oh that's a nice figure

ok now I just need to figure out this freaking weaver tree

even atlas is less confusing than this

everything is so good

[arctic tartan]

For that I'll absolutely rely on smarter people. That thing is pure decision paralysis

[junior wren]

well, for example if you play CoF, there should be a node that removes all prophecies in dungeons, arenas etc.

[arctic tartan]

Hol' up. THere is no direct interaction with the factions is there?

[slim spire]

you sure on that? I think there's a lense, not a node

[junior wren]

I haven't looked at the actual tree yet. I remember hearing something like that on one of the streams iirc?

oh right, maybe it's a lens

[arctic tartan]

Two things: You can now have a lens that removes anything not-mono. And you have a node on the tree that removes all arena echos

But also someone said that arena echos have been reworked so maybe it's worth checking them out before banning them

[slim spire]

I'm going to take the super arena thing. I heard arena is so much faster now

[rancid lantern]

@covert phoenix Through this cook i kinda realize you can make Echoes your main mana expenditure.

[junior wren]

okay lemme think, there's a new thing that removes LP from uniques right? So you can spec weaver tree into finding more nemesises where you can then get that LP back

[slim spire]

ok I'm sure this must be a bad idea, but I just spent 32 points purely on arena. That's crazy

32/50

[arctic tartan]

Without having looked at the tree at all my intuition says that you are probably correct and this is A Bad Idea™️

[slim spire]

1 good thing is there's no "prerequisite" number of nodes, so travel is super easy

[arctic tartan]

Okay, maybe you are cooking. I assume you also put points into buffing the hell out of champions?

[slim spire]

wait what is this node?

have they explained it anywhere?

[clever hazel]

what do you want to know about it, exactly?

[arctic tartan]

It's an exalted with this kinda base type

[slim spire]

ohh ok

makes sense

[slim spire]

nope, champs are not really that special I feel. I just buff arena, nemesis, block everything I can on the echoes rewards, and get all the imprints

I skipped loot lizards, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Probably should not go all out on arena & actually buff loot lizards

[clever hazel]

I thought one of the more interesting bonuses to arenas was going for super arenas and scaling champions for more loot

just going for regular arenas and no champion scaling sounds odd

[arctic tartan]

Yeah, that was my idea as well when I saw that one of the "big payoffs" of arena scaling was that you could reliably generate (many) champions

Still... You can only bump the chance for arenas by 75% so any arena node is still dead for a decent number of echos

[slim spire]

oh really?

I don't know that

but I feel like there are too many champion buffing stuff

it's probably better to buff specific mechanics

[arctic tartan]

Well isn't that the point of the super arena? You have this reliable source of champions which can be scaled up in a myriad of ways

(Consider also that I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm only now looking properly into this tree for the first time)

[slim spire]

oh ya true

I just thought it sounds cool

LOL

I always have a soft spot for arenas anyway, no matter how slow it is

[candid lintel]

What kind of build is void knight gonna be doing

[slim spire]

so an actually fast arena is just my cup of tea

[arctic tartan]

That is a very open question with many answers.

[clever hazel]

arenas are supposed to be significantly faster now, with less waves; even prior to the "super arena" weaver tree node

[slim spire]

so maybe I should just ignore it then

I mean, just go into them as I encounter them naturally

[arctic tartan]

Do we have information on how pricey respeccing the weaver tree will be? I'll probably change my mind on how to run it once every 20 minutes

[clever hazel]

uh, I think they showed it in a stream at some point

I remember it looking really cheap to respec

idol crafting is the main memory amber currency sink

[austere coral]

I think it was just over 1 million gold

[slim spire]

I wonder how cof interacts with this

[slim spire]

no this is the mastery respec cost

[rancid lantern]

All right, cook nr 2 is done

[clever hazel]

yeah mastery respec costs gold, and it doesn't cost a flat 1 million gold either; that's the cost on like, a level 100 character lol

[austere coral]

Ooop, misread the posts, my bad

[clever hazel]

if you're level 40 or something it's a few thousand gold from what I remember

[woven temple]

Likely doesn't interact at all

[slim spire]

I would like to request a FW build next chef!

[clever hazel]

idk, I don't see why it wouldn't interact

they made the critical success eternity cache thing scale with CoF, and that's not even a drop lol

[rancid lantern]

Sorry , FW?

[arctic tartan]

Forged Weapons

[rancid lantern]

ah

thats fairly easy

lets see

[slim spire]

that's the spirit!

[clever hazel]

just realized something funny on the weaver tree

Regal Foes gives bosses and champions a 1% chance to drop a unique per point
but if you take Greedy Lizards with Gilded Tails it's more than 5x as efficient in terms of points, for getting uniques

[slim spire]

Yeah some nodes are better than others

Probablh intentional tho since you can stack them both

[clever hazel]

unless Regal Foes drops a TON of gold it seems really bad lol

[rancid lantern]

Whats the nerf to Phantom grip?

exactly?

[arctic tartan]

It applied the stats of all items isntead of just gloves

[rancid lantern]

oof

That's pretty significant

😄

[slim spire]

IKR. but I believe in you

[rancid lantern]

@slim spire https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbDYYVNo There's an argument to be made for Forgemaster's Might, in which case you'd swap a few points around and use Ring of Shields, but let's say this is enough defense

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (70) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,626, Regen: 60.4/s
▸ Mana: 352.46, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 57 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 90 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 65% / 25% / 98% / 52% / 2% / 42%
▸ EHP: 5,209 / 4,735 / 3,473 / 10,083 / 4,458 / 3,011 / 3,917

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 641
▸ Armor Mitigation: 74% (7,796)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (25)
• Vengeance (20)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Falcon Fists
• Phantom Grip

[slim spire]

man, you're the best

[cursive compass]

WHO IS COOKING

[rancid lantern]

I reckon initially you'd use Warpath to summon weapons, but as you get closer to 80 attunement, you'd like to use Vengeance more.

[cursive compass]

VOID RIVE

[rancid lantern]

I made cook nr 3

ill go get some kebab

and i can do some void rive

Aight

[cursive compass]

it is looking good

defenses are good

ELE damage taken as VOID

[pliant relic]

How hard is it to get 40 attunement on non-pally for the 100% iron blade chance? How hard is 20att?

[rancid lantern]

just realized you need 40 att and not 80, in which case move around some att to str

pretty easy tbh

you get 8 as forgeguard

as void knight it might be harder

[cursive compass]

it seems we will be needed numlock trick with anomaly

[dense spindle]

hello, first time trying dots and making my own build and i have a few questions
i see that every ailment has a base damage that scales with it's corresponding damage type and not with melee/spell stuff which makes me think that applying ignites with both melee and spells could be a good source for more stacks
can a weapon with 0 fire damage or an attack that deals 0 fire damage inflict ignite at 100% melee ignite chance?

[slim spire]

sorry i have some questions:

1. why do you stack str in your passives? they do nothing for your fw right
2. any reasons why you convert vengeance to fire?

[analog steppe]

Ailments don’t care about how much damage your hits are doing

[dense spindle]

so can a hit that deals 0 fire damage with a skill that doesn't even have a fire tag apply ignite?

[analog steppe]

Yes you can in the campaign for example pick up any old chance to ignite on hit weapon and be igniting with any attack

[uneven gorge]

Yes, as long as the skill can proc that ailment, or have an effect that gives it a chance to proc it. The damage type the skill doesn't matter. Though of course a fire skill will have more options to apply ignite for example

Note tho that if you have 'chance to ignite on melee hit' or something, it won't increase the chance for spells, throwing, etc

[shell wedge]

Does healing hands Cleric's Hammer work with Warpath?

[dense spindle]

so in theory having 100% ignite chance on both spells and attacks and using multistrike with smites and devouring orbs autocasted and them shooting orbs would in theory generate a lot of ignite stacks?

[uneven gorge]

Only for the first hit, not subsequent ones

[uneven gorge]

Yup

[analog steppe]

Yes but also know that >100% matters as well

If you have more than 100% you will get extra stacks

[dense spindle]

200% would be 2 ignites per hit i guess?

[analog steppe]

The last important stuff about ailments is they don’t get added dmg, they do benefit from increased dmg of the correct type ( fire yes, melee fie no, dot yes, etc.) and more damage from both global sources and the skill that applies them

[uneven gorge]

Yeah. Frostbite for example will scale with Cold damage, Elemental damage, Damage over time, elemental damage over time, global more damage, and most sources of more damage from the skill that applied it

Oh and also Cold penetration

[analog steppe]

Yep and cold res shred too

[uneven gorge]

So many numbers

[analog steppe]

ailments are fun in this game

It’s satisfying to look at the bar of the monster and see the stacks go up and up

[eager carbon]

@analog steppe

[analog steppe]

Nice that’s pretty close to my planners number with max and multiple T7 gear still reasonable LPs

[eager carbon]

its max rolls on everything, hardly any chance of getting it

[analog steppe]

For sure

[eager carbon]

average though

[obsidian tide]

Hey fellow sentinels !
I was wondering if VK could make some use of gaspar set's Decimate, so two questions:

1. can Decimate echo ? It's tagged as a void spell, but I don't know if it'd work, as it isn't directly used but triggered
2. Are each element cooldown shared ? With both fire and lightning shards (and consequently the first set bonus), do I get 2 decimate casts per 2 seconds (1 per element) ? If so, do I have to up cast speed as one cast animation is longer than 1s ?

[analog steppe]

I think triggered skills can’t echo? Anyone know with triggered smites for example?

The element cooldowns for gaspar are separate for each one

[eager carbon]

triggered cannot echo, no

only skills you use yourself can echo

[analog steppe]

Though it did look like automated dorb can echo which is cool

[dense spindle]

can one have forged weapons if they're not a forge guard? (like on paladin using the multistrike at max armament chance to summon)

[analog steppe]

yeah as long as something gives you the chance to summon then it works

[rapid slate]

anyone cooking a Rive pala build?

[analog steppe]

See shadow daggers on every rogue type

[dense spindle]

f, i'm so bummed by forge guard not receiving more love 😦
wanted to try an ignite forge guard, pala is a much better choice
wanted to try a big hit smelter's wrath forge guard, erasing strike vk is a much better choice

feels like fg is simply outclassed atm 😦

[analog steppe]

FG got it’s passive tree updated last patch

It was never gonna get much there in this one

It got plenty of stuff in the skill changes for sentinel

[rancid lantern]

Decimate's problem is lack of multipliers

[dense spindle]

was drooling over the chance of stacking fire damage with forged weapons set but it got nerfed into the ground (10-25 (base affix on set item) to 10-12 at t7)

[rancid lantern]

so I highly discourage running that build

[analog steppe]

If the set values went down it’s probably for good reasons with the new set system

I doubt they would nerf numbers to make it bad

[dense spindle]

for sure, t7 set affix on sunforged set was literally 1.5x a t7 fire damage affix

[analog steppe]

Remember champion affixes exist and can be paired alongside set affixes

[dense spindle]

and that at medium values

|| || |Meteor champion| |x% increased fire damage over time| |x% of bleed chance converted to ignite chance|
this could be cool if it can exist on 2h maces

[analog steppe]

2H maces didn’t get much true

[dense spindle]

ah it's on belt, even better
it's on 1h axe, dagger, wand, F

[dense spindle]

2h maces got nothing from champions from what i can see

[analog steppe]

That’s ok my time rot build also got 0 champions useful

But we landed good weavers idol enchanted affixes

[south zephyr]

Hmmm 2H + Shield, Vengeance Jav Phys FG

Might be for a bleed build actually come to think of it

[jade copper]

Convert all bleed to ignite and use phalanx to auto cast battle standard with pilgrimage

Might be good for bosses

[little temple]

Well smelters wrath did get a massiv buff. Its like 20 times stronger for ignite in season 2

Im absolutely gonna do a smelters wrath ignite build

[light light]

This might be good with the new vengeance node

[dense spindle]

the idea sounds cool but i can't help but think it will be slow af outside of bosses 😦

[little temple]

Well you will stand still for 2 seconds for it, so yeah

But the screen will be clear when you do

[dense spindle]

do you have a planner for that? i'd love to take a look

[little temple]

Not at Hand, but its the typical ignite stuff

You dont need any ignite chance though which is a plus

[night mantle]

Void Lunge Time Rot DoT build using Paranoia and Stymied Fate seems pretty viable 👀

[little temple]

Yeah, anything with a big more multipliers goes well for timerot

[charred phoenix]

I've tried to read patch notes, but didn't understand most (lack of previous knowledge)
How would you rate changes to the sentinel? VK specifically, wanted to try devouring orb in season 2

[dense spindle]

i'm guessing the sunforged set +3 forged weapons and fire damage per weapon affix would be cool

[little temple]

Isnt that ignite chance and melee fire damage?

[dense spindle]

that's on weapon which i guess you'd just take 1 level of it and seal
but the armor has fire damage% per weapon

[little temple]

VK will be very strong

[cold orbit]

Im planning on starting with bleed hammerdin, how much does the build change compared to older versions? 🤔 does anyone maybe have a guide that up to date? considering new cycle

[tardy narwhal]

Yes and paladin

[little temple]

Oh thats nice! But im not sure wether I want to go through the hassle of generating 10 FWs

[rancid lantern]

aight, so I have 2 builds so far. DO Timerot and Multistrike Void Smiter. Make that 3 with FW Forgeguard

Someone asked for a rive build?

[little temple]

I want to smelters wrath -> VR -> smelters wrath -> VR though the mono

[tardy narwhal]

Now the real question is Smelters going to be good

[little temple]

The numbers are good now

[night mantle]

Work in 3pc Forgotten Knight set too

[little temple]

You get 40 stacks of ignite with 100% duration and 100% more damage for a few nodes in there

[tardy narwhal]

True but practice will tell more than theory

Also timerot better be viable

[rancid lantern]

oh it will be

[night mantle]

I didn't see it, but can set transfers for say a 1h sword transfer to any 1h weapon type? or just sword?

[rancid lantern]

the numbers are kinda cooked

[little temple]

Yeah, its very probable that standing in place for two seconds and getting hit in the face will suck

[dense spindle]

i guess the shield and block stuff will help quite a bit with that but still not perfect

[little temple]

Probably gonna go with mountain close call stuff or something stupid

[night mantle]

Same type only. 1h sword -> 1h sword.

Dang, no Forgotten Knight Argent Sceptre for me.

[tardy narwhal]

Oh true cause you can craft sets now!

[night mantle]

aww yea

[little temple]

There is no chance that time rot wont be op. The numbers are stupidly high

[dense spindle]

maybe seal t1/t2?

[night mantle]

yup, planning "budget" version 🙂

[sweet hazel]

If it doesn't get nerfed before launch, yeah.

I'm sure the PTE testers have already reported how high the sheet is

or it displays high but has a weird damage calculation and it isn't as high as it's showing

[dense spindle]

umm might be a stupid question but what's the hp of an endgame boss like t4 julra or uber aberroth?
i see those 50k time rots but idk what that even means when it comes to bosses

[sweet hazel]

like old D2 poison

[covert phoenix]

It's high, not "stupidly high"

[rancid lantern]

2 builds so far. DO Timerot and Multistrike Smiter. What else got buffed that seems fun?

[tardy narwhal]

Which is funny to me. Going from the worst dot to the best dot

[covert phoenix]

it's "stupidly high" if you stupidly follow the DO timerot build which is completely moronic

[dense spindle]

can i see that multistrike smiter pls?

[rancid lantern]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgYG5RLA so far looking like this

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (78) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,138, Regen: 168/s
▸ Mana: 132.51, Regen: 12.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 59 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 92 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 105% / 105% / 86% / 48% / 146% / 146%
▸ EHP: 17,596 / 18,260 / 18,260 / 39,956 / 18,583 / 17,937 / 17,937

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,392
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,402)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Mortal Cleave, Frenzy, Symbols of Hope (1/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (21)
• Smite (21)
• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[tardy narwhal]

Huh?

[covert phoenix]

devouring orb is just giga clunky and not really better

it's just good on paper

[south zephyr]

We're ripping on the max roll build

[queen glade]

Never played it I see

[rancid lantern]

ya DO takes like... 20 second setup?

[tardy narwhal]

Ah I didn’t have context

[rancid lantern]

it's a bit excessive

[covert phoenix]

... are you serious?

[lethal cove]

is it clunky? they spawn when you just move now

[thin pollen]

Why would it be clunky? It's auto cast and follows you around

[lethal cove]

yes

[queen glade]

Not clunky now with numlock, will only feel better next patch.

[covert phoenix]

.......................

[tardy narwhal]

Uh so you have never played DO hahah

[rancid lantern]

the clunky part is moving more than a couple DO's around and keeping them all younger with VR

[thin pollen]

Iv only played warpath

[lethal cove]

im asking a sincere question here

[covert phoenix]

Guys, just for your information, before answering to someone, please read what is discussed?

[rancid lantern]

and unloading a 20 second worth of prestacking on a boss

[lethal cove]

?

[covert phoenix]

especially before saying "you obviously never played it"?

[lethal cove]

i don't appreciate your passive agression

[queen glade]

[tardy narwhal]

I just don’t appreciate you

[rancid lantern]

Okay, that's enough

moving on

[tardy narwhal]

Sarcasm

[covert phoenix]

Because when we are discussing the all consuming DO and someone answer "it's not clunky, just use the rotating orb", this person is clueless

[tardy narwhal]

It’s wonderful

[lethal cove]

ok didn't see that part

[tardy narwhal]

Look we all know that ES is just the best

[rancid lantern]

Lemme know what you think

[covert phoenix]

remove deep impact on smite, finish blinding flash

large damage gain

[rancid lantern]

25% multi < 10% more hit? I suppose depends on the crit

[south zephyr]

Crit capping smite can be done relatively easily IIRC

[dense spindle]

i'm not really in any measure to judge builds but at a first glance it seems nice, only nitpick i have is not having void res capped while using the convert ele to void damage taken (which i'm sure you'd have void res capped in the actual game)

[covert phoenix]

it's not the crit cap, it's the crit multi

[south zephyr]

I know he mentioned crit multi would be a damage boost depending on crit chance

Ohhhh wait NVM multiplier stuff

[rancid lantern]

Fixed, just a suffix swap

[covert phoenix]

the 10% more is stronger at 275% crit multi before deep impact, so it's super easy to reach.

[rancid lantern]

I'm not following, if you're crit capped, isn't 25% multi effectively better than 10% more?

my math may be failing

so bear with me lol

[covert phoenix]

Let's say you do 100 damage

[south zephyr]

No because 10% more affects the crit multi

[dense spindle]

at base multi, yes, at roughly 250% total crit multi they should in theory become equivalent and everything over 250% crit multi makes 10% more better

[covert phoenix]

you have the choice between 50% more damage +25% crit multi

and 20% more damage +100% crit multi

[rancid lantern]

Oh I see

i forgot about the base multi

i guess that changes things

Aight

that's fixed

[covert phoenix]

if you have 300% crit multi, the first case is doing 487.5 damage, the second is doing 480

[rancid lantern]

All righty

I kinda wanna run +4 total on smite anyway

to have both

Should be more feasible to get on the weavers

[south zephyr]

+Smite level is very strong

[rancid lantern]

indeed.

[south zephyr]

Given the number of damage scaling nodes it has

[rancid lantern]

All right

[covert phoenix]

it doesn't have that much

and they are not that strong

[rancid lantern]

yeah sadly the ignite path takes 3 points

to get to

otherwise it'd be op op

Got DO Timerot, Multistriker Void Smite and some sketch for a Forged weapond FG

let's see what else I can cook

No rive changes...

Oh nvm

[obsidian tide]

Is void smite still a thing ? Or did I miss the node to scale it off vitality ?

[light light]

Does anyone know if the new bleed vengeance nodes will only apply to vengeance or also the iron blades it creates?

[dense spindle]

should be and that node is in void knight iirc

[rancid lantern]

void smite is definitely a thing yes

i wish they actually buffed lasers

the whole laser node is massive bait

it has like no multipliers and the only lasers that do are in ES

[cold rose]

where squirtle

[lethal cove]

what is anomaly, it's something that can do 100 percent damage increased void damage

[south zephyr]

100% increased is basically nothing

[cold rose]

Anyone knows if the judgement aura thing gets affected by the judment gloves unique?

[obsidian tide]

TY, missed it

[cold rose]

as in, bigger aoe?

[rancid lantern]

they buffed lacerate again, woo

rive is gonna feel so nice for levelling

[polar lily]

I was searching for this answer yesterday and found this old message. Seems to be yes. #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[cold rose]

yea just tested

[polar lily]

Unarmed lets you bring a shield, so rahyeh's light is on the table

[rancid lantern]

oh man, rive needs so many points now

lol

[cold rose]

going dot not sure if its worth still

for aura

going unarmed

[near ferry]

Did anyone here play with aberroth's command scepter? It says it removes the movement from voidcleave, but it does not prevent me from making it a traversal skill with gravity's edge right?

[eager carbon]

it will only have the tag

[rancid lantern]

you can even use it mid warpath

its like an instant cast ability

[queen glade]

Hell yeah mid warpath voidcleave with auto casting d.orbs is the angle bro

[rancid lantern]

unfortunately you do need to stop to get the 80% warpath bonus for void cleave (which is annoying)

or at least last I tested it

[queen glade]

With Momentum u mean?

[rancid lantern]

Ye

[queen glade]

I doubt it ;o

After channeling for at least 2 seconds your next cleave deals more damage

Is the wording o.o

[rancid lantern]

It didnt seem to consume the buff if you used it mid warpath

[queen glade]

Oh really?

Hmm

[rancid lantern]

Ye maybe a bug

[queen glade]

Yea that might be a but coz the wording doesn't say that

bug*

If it is like that I might just take points out of momentum and full stack warped decay instead

TR looking juiceee

[queen glade]

@waxen nymph Did you ever test this? 😮

[vital talon]

I got the itch to make a build with World Splitter again

[queen glade]

Can't blame you bro, considering ES will be buffed

[vital talon]

You can pretty much make Erasing Strike screen-wide

[queen glade]

Its gonna be even stronger lol

Than it already was

For some reason :p

[vital talon]

It's just hella fun

Big bonk

[queen glade]

Yep big bonking is def fun

Gonna be ez to get a giga T7 flat void roll on a LP1 now too lol

Much lower barrier to entry

Considering we can guarantee one

[vital talon]

Getting enough mana sustain is probably the hardest part

I know you have the 30% max mana recovery thing

If you're amping the mana cost of ES up you need enough max mana to cover it though

getting lp4 isn't that bad either, its only 1 in 481,188,276

[queen glade]

xd

[vital talon]

[queen glade]

Atleast an LP1 with giga T7 flat void will carry you all the way lol

[vital talon]

Yeah, there's also the question of champion items now too, with the set affix

its what, 50% void pen with time rot and 36% more damage (3% void per time rot stack)

[queen glade]

Yep

Banger

[eager carbon]

no champ affixes for void

[vital talon]

Oh are they all released already?

[queen glade]

Not sure about champion affixes, but the void set is sick

[vital talon]

"Added Melee Damage
Added Charge for Void Cleave"

[eager carbon]

ok i lied, theres one

but its.. yeah

[analog steppe]

its an extra flat roll, thats about it

[vital talon]

I think in a perfect world i'd make an attritbute stacker with double red ring of atlaria

[waxen nymph]

It was the case in 1.1 yes. You can just dodge roll before using Vc

[queen glade]

I see, yeah easy work around then I guess

[raw linden]

So can't we LP champion affixes or LE tools is just not updated for it

[vital talon]

can't

[raw linden]

rip

[prime sleet]

y'all have a decent loot filter for void knight? (warpath, ES, void damage etc)

[tardy narwhal]

Set affixes and Champion affixes no LP

[raw linden]

Apathy's Maw it is then

can we even get a champion's affix on sun beak I guess not

[rancid lantern]

So, a question

Made a Rive build as my 3rd cook

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXwvqyzB this generic dam from sword catcher is converted to void, yes?

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (82)

General:

▸ Health: 2,306, Regen: 72.8/s
▸ Mana: 122.51, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 85 Vit
▸ Resistances: 32% / 0% / 0% / 20% / 52% / 85% / 85%
▸ EHP: 4,157 / 3,397 / 3,397 / 6,765 / 5,087 / 5,944 / 5,944

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 461
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,249)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (31)
• Anomaly (21)
• Devouring Orb (21)
• Erasing Strike (27)
• Void Cleave (27)

Used unique items:

• Sword Catcher
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[cold rose]

yea

[rancid lantern]

All right perfect

this should work well then

Rive is very good but damn does it need levels

[cold rose]

apathy most likely better

because of the more multis

[rancid lantern]

you mean doom?

[cold rose]

yea

[rancid lantern]

and if, say, i got a ring

for the doom

would you still say the same

i guess its too much falt to ignore

and its got better attack speed

[rocky scaffold]

you can do more than 8, lol.

[rancid lantern]

flat*

[rancid lantern]

Run me through the math

Please

🙂

[covert phoenix]

it also has to be with this tree and 10% cdr

[rancid lantern]

^ Agreed

baseline, it looks like 5 orbs +2 orbs from charges

CDR would get more

[little temple]

I think it still did apply the damage bonus for me when I tested it. But I might remember it wrong

[rancid lantern]

Maybe it was just visual

but to me it looked like it didnt work

[covert phoenix]

and honestly, it doesn't matter, because 1) you are not supposed to take 20s of setup to make your thing and 2) the orb is doing ONE stack of timerot per second, and therefore is not able to stack it properly

[rancid lantern]

still, sounds annoying to setup that long

I really like DO All consuming but it sounds like a pre-stack boss killer, not a generic use thing

unless im missing something.

[covert phoenix]

you are missing how you are supposed to reach over 5 timerot stack even as a prestacked thing

[rancid lantern]

Losing levels is basically losing either Scrap Metal, Flame Drinker's Blade (now buffed to work with void) or third strike dam

Not sure if that is worth now

[covert phoenix]

flame drinker blade is a bait

[rancid lantern]

even after the changes, you think?

[covert phoenix]

if you have 33% pen/res shred, yes it is

this is the correct node you want

and the ignite chance from the tree is enough, no need for additional ignite chance from gear on top of being stronger

[raw linden]

No abyssal fluctuation is sus

[winter copper]

that build applies full stacks from jiga orb in 1-2 seconds from procs on bosses and on clear if 1 mob dies everything dies from rift procs

[frail kite]

when you spec into the lightning bolts inside Smite, do they carry all the passive tree from smite? so all the Electrify chances and stuff?

[rancid lantern]

why the number

[covert phoenix]

because 45% more damage is stronger than 60% pen starting 33% pen from elsewhere

[covert phoenix]

ok, I must have missed the hit portion of DO on bossing then

[winter copper]

vr procs rifts and abyssal orb proc has all same modfifiers

with gear youll have like 300~chance + to apply tr

[night mantle]

anyone know the math for cdr and how it applies across different types of cdr (say general cdr & traversal skill cdr)?

[covert phoenix]

still doesn't explain how DO is hitting 4 times in 1-2s

[winter copper]

well they tested it and it works 🤷‍♀️

only one way to find out

[covert phoenix]

they literally pretend the optimal amount of DO before all consuming is 8

there is no way to do that with their build

[stiff locust]

Does HH's "Cleric's Wrath" node get the +damage from the minion buff tag on Ring of shields?

[winter copper]

you are implying that they lie when you didnt even play they game and they have tested the game for months on ct

this is just absurd

🤦‍♀️

[covert phoenix]

I'm implying a guide doing outlandish claims should at least start to explain them

"trust me bro" is not the attitude for a build maker

[winter copper]

well they cant make a video cause nda, that wouldve helped

[covert phoenix]

8 orbs with 10% cdr and 60% duration is not possible, period

they don't even get the + orb duration on reversal

but sure, it's obviously some 4D chess and i'm just too stupid to believe in them

[winter copper]

from a quick glace this node is what you are looking for they wait for 3 charges then spam all together and then spam on cd

[covert phoenix]

16s duration for 4s CD is still, at best, 6 orbs consumed

and it means 24s to wait between each "big orbs" so a trash uptime

[analog steppe]

guaranteed echo chance from VR, and additional charges, you can spam out the orbs much faster than you think

[winter copper]

^

also they do have some cdr

in 16 sec thats what 4-5 garanteed echoes?

[junior wren]

oh no, bashing maxroll again. Dude you really don't like maxroll huh? 😄

[winter copper]

from their gear vr has 1.7 sec cd

thats literally every orb garanteed echo

[analog steppe]

VRs cooldown is pretty short, 3 seconds with the node and then with CDR on top (as well as 2 uses per cooldown unit)

[winter copper]

lol

[covert phoenix]

I mean, their reversal removed the second use and got multiple nodes based on it

[winter copper]

so you vr+2chargers=3 orbs+vr last charge 5 orb in 1second, then every 3 sec vr+orb so +8 orbs just from that toal is 13 orbs per 16 sec

[analog steppe]

tbf that part was lol, definitely dont want to remove the second use

[cold dock]

hmmmmmm, do i VK or do i FG for launch

i cant decide

[junior wren]

when in doubt, do neither, play electrify Paladin

[alpine canopy]

No, it shouldn't

[gusty abyss]

Do we think these gloves will give us overleech when channeling warpath?

[winter copper]

amarathy confirmed all those nodes work for the duration of cooldown if the second jump removed @covert phoenix

[frail kite]

why would it

[gusty abyss]

continuosly taking damage due to the reflect

[woven temple]

For real?

[winter copper]

thats what he said and tested

[covert phoenix]

EHG making zero sense all over again

[analog steppe]

that flies in the face of what Mike and Karv said on stream >.< which is a bit funny

[woven temple]

Lol big if true

[winter copper]

not the first time, wouldnt be the last

[woven temple]

But yea completely nonsensical design wise

[woven temple]

Mike also told us that cof lens will be fixed

Their idea of fixing: nerfed

[eager carbon]

Now they are going to fix it

[alpine canopy]

Not sure, we don't have any effects exactly like this on live yet. But maybe.

[junior wren]

bugs on a "new" skill, nothing new 😉

[scenic gyro]

only 1 way to find out

i prefer rv and uber aby gloves

[night mantle]

A good start: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ow6Xw1pB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (73) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,326, Regen: 25/s
▸ Mana: 260.51, Regen: 12.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 70 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 85% / 80% / 78% / 78% / 77% / 77%
▸ EHP: 8,404 / 8,476 / 8,476 / 9,925 / 9,632 / 7,320 / 7,320

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 734
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,053)
▸ Block Chance: 66%, Mitigation: 46% (1,681)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 26%

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Inspiration, Symbols of Hope (5/5,Passive)

Used skills:

• Symbols of Hope (21)
• Devouring Orb (21)
• Lunge (24)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Anomaly (21)

Used unique items:

• Paranoia
• Stymied Fate
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Atrophy

[winter copper]

only if some snitch starts reporting 😎

[frail kite]

attribute scaling on skills are multiplicative or additive damages?

[winter copper]

wait wait what lense, what did i miss

[alpine canopy]

I'll bet that most likely no it won't work because spending mana on channel costs probably won't even trigger the health loss, like it doesn't trigger ward from mana spent

[alpine canopy]

Additive

[gusty abyss]

Gotta kill Uby first, hence me looking at these

[frail kite]

thanks

[winter copper]

also tbf the guide even explains the orb generation

[woven temple]

Both more rewards lens were nerfed, can't be bothered from mobile, check the cof channel

[scenic gyro]

isnt rv bis for aby cause of all the void dmg

[woven temple]

When Mike said they will be made baseline instead

[winter copper]

oh the nerfs i saw,its ok from the quick math 99% sure they are still bis

kekw

sent will do calcs soon

[gusty abyss]

Depends if we go into endurance treshold a lot or not

[woven temple]

Yea they still cut down on rerolling

[winter copper]

ye i think 3 bis are double+ non mono block

easy life

[woven temple]

But now also with a subtle aftertaste of di ck

[winter copper]

lmfao

[eager carbon]

Rule 1: we ain't snitchin'

[scenic gyro]

even without stacks you get 15% less void dmg

[gusty abyss]

vs 25% hit to over time and potential overleech

[scenic gyro]

well im using null portent so i already have overleech

[gusty abyss]

Null portent does not allow your leech stacks to stay

that is what I mean with overleech, not overkill damage leeched

[alpine canopy]

Overleech meaning leech doesn't get removed at full health, not overkill leech

We aren't sure if immortal vise gives overleech or not though

[scenic gyro]

how do those gloves give overleech

am i not reading it right

[grizzled obsidian]

if you take damage all the time you are never full

[eager carbon]

^

[covert phoenix]

Do you have overleech by using aura of decay now...?

[alpine canopy]

Effects that drain a % of your current health per second prevent you from reaching full health via leech, so the hope is that immortal vise's damage over 4s thing does the same

[covert phoenix]

first time i hear of it

[rocky scaffold]

read the guide, 17 u get the video. Amarathy didnt type 8 if he wasnt doing 8, u probably missed something, in fact you can get more, but 8 is the optimal dps.

[eager carbon]

Just take some damage

[scenic gyro]

ooh i see what you are tryingf to do

[alpine canopy]

No clue if that's how it works or not though

without testing

[gusty abyss]

no the continous mana cost of warpath being reflected

[alpine canopy]

and being procced by taking damage might make it a little tough to test well

[rancid lantern]

I did, but I do not see the "more than 8"

[alpine canopy]

See here

[rancid lantern]

he does say he does 8, which is fair

[rocky scaffold]

yeah, before they added the % downside to dot damage, we runned 12

its been a while

[rancid lantern]

12 is the one id like to see the numbers for.

[scenic gyro]

mana cost isnt equal to channel cost no?

[rancid lantern]

ye no pressure, respectfully ill likely play something completely different

[gusty abyss]

Right, thats the one

[alpine canopy]

Channel costs don't trigger ward per mana spent

[rancid lantern]

antimetacuck that I am

xd

[rocky scaffold]

@keen hare did all the testing for it, if u dm him he will explain all

[alpine canopy]

I doubt it'll proc the gloves, even if that effect would work

[scenic gyro]

would have been a nice tech though ^^

[faint fable]

ik that next season is a new one but how is judgmente progression good? or it is bad without good gear?

[woven temple]

Historically judgment had been good with no gear

[orchid juniper]

anyone know how echoed casts/attacks interact with ailment damage? If you have a bunch of "increased echo damage when a skill echoes" does that multiplier also apply to time rot inflicted by those attacks?

[supple ibex]

Sry doin some catch up cause im just gonna Theorycraft aswell, the Warpath maxroll build is... alittle weird.

lotta things i dont agree on

@rancid lantern Have you been cooking somethin for warpath, your onto somethign with that MS build tho. I might actually try that 😂

[little temple]

It works for ailments but its not a multiplier, its increased damage. So additive with the rest of your increased damage

[orchid juniper]

yeah but the magnitudes on that affix are enormous

and it comes as an implicit in a couple spots for like up to +100% too

[spring pollen]

Can someone remind me: phys/elem etc penetration has no cap right? But resist shred does?

[rancid lantern]

I did consider some mage warpath, i should try that next. Im out town, ill look into it

[rancid lantern]

Correct

[supple ibex]

Also question for this , you took ES+VC combo, is Rive intended as a filler? after bonking and going oom(then getting it back with Essence) Because thats what I initially thought of when i saw things like rive and Vengeance being converted to void... being a filler addition so we can use something for bossing while OOM

[south zephyr]

It can also be Mana Regen and execute

[supple ibex]

tru

Just wondering how World Splittler could impact it

cause that was the common wep for bonk build

[rancid lantern]

I kinda wanted rive to be the main source while es delivers the bigger timerots

Or crits. I kinda wanted it rive centric either way

[spring pollen]

Another silly question: if I’m using physical skill like Rive and I add melee flat fire, it will still contribute damage correct? But the skill won’t benefit from “increased fire damage” because it doesn’t have the fire tag correct?

[rancid lantern]

Yup

[supple ibex]

does timerot scale based off the dmg dealt that procs it? or are we just getting that from the bleed conversion from talents + Sword catcher's bleed chance

[rancid lantern]

Generic melee damage will convert but not a specified type unless its same

[spring pollen]

Ok ty been a while since I worked with all the interactions

[rancid lantern]

Ailments are based off generic more damage multipliers of that skill. Its a tossup if ill prefer that or just plain crit

[supple ibex]

cause it used to be a flat amount

ah ok

[languid olive]

What changes will we have for the Fire Warpath Paladin? Does the Fire Volatile Reversal work on him?

[junior wren]

the frenzy buff works

[alpine canopy]

The portion of the skill that deals fire damage from your added fire will be increased by fire damage increases, but not phys damage increases; the tags are just guides for what kinds of damage the skill does innately

[keen hare]

I would recommend TR over crit early on* but whatever floats your boat

[alpine canopy]

Time rot looks so nice, but unless I missed some changes, endless (void well) crit world splitter ES should still be good this season like it is now

I'll be running time rot because it's new regardless

will be much easier to get going, too

[turbid dome]

did I show you my stupid plan for a 10k max health vk

[junior wren]

Quick question, this part only applies to gaining Void Essences via this VK passive. It doesn't apply to gaining Void Essences from other sources right?

[spring pollen]

Ahh ok so if I add a whole bunch of flat fire to vengeance I don’t necessarily have to do the fire conversion to get full benefits

[turbid dome]

yea

[alpine canopy]

Hmm I don't think I saw it

[turbid dome]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2G2lr4Q

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (90)

General:

▸ Health: 9,358, Regen: 378/s
▸ Mana: 173.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 55%, Regen: 113/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 98 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 40% / 40% / 98% / 98%
▸ EHP: 14,198 / 14,198 / 14,198 / 19,116 / 17,901 / 18,366 / 18,366

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 1,872
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,449)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (20)

Used unique items:

• Brewmaster's Buckle
• Vessel of Strife
• Apathy's Maw

[turbid dome]

this just makes me chuckle

I AM THE WARD BUILD NOW

[alpine canopy]

Right, though all your untyped "melee damage" stats will give whatever type it's converted to, so that part will stay phys without the conversion

which may or may not matter much depending on your setup

[turbid dome]

^

for example, void rive vk couldn't convert rive to void (until this coming update) but still did great by just adding a crap ton of flat melee void to rive

[alpine canopy]

Only thing now is to make it a vengeance build

[turbid dome]

you can pry rive from my cold void ridden hands

[spring pollen]

Oh yeah good point

[turbid dome]

because once again the funny T28 flat melee void dmg is funny

love me rive

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/void_essence

No, the max is 3 no matter the source

[supple ibex]

same, very tanky, felt slow while leveling and early monos with it, i assume with additional points u'd go for Challenge and finish the Attackspeed from flurry?

[turbid dome]

that sounds right

[alpine canopy]

I think the concern is actually the 1 per 4s limit. Does getting one even refresh your stacks? Otherwise how could you get 3 at all?

[turbid dome]

tho don't take that guide as an actual guide, that was me being silly and seeing how big of an hp orb I could make @supple ibex

tho rive skill point wise yeah thats what I would do

[supple ibex]

yeah i figured.

The HP stackin will be fun

[turbid dome]

ye

[supple ibex]

Are u levelign wth rive or u gonna do like holy trail pally then swap to VK?

[alpine canopy]

It doesn't mention the 1 per 4s limit on any skill's void essence nodes though, so my hope is that's just a limit specific to the passive
Because that would kill endless void well ES for sure

[supple ibex]

Cause I want to jus warpath it but im scared the dmg is just gonnabe dogshit for bossing

[turbid dome]

rive + void cleave + erasing strike probably

• VR probably

[supple ibex]

ye.

[turbid dome]

[supple ibex]

VR to make ES crit? then just use VR to spec into just using the first part?

[turbid dome]

void cleave to make ES crit and add 5 time rot stacks and 5 void shred stacks

[dense spindle]

can someone please explain to me (a previous filthy ward user) why brewmaster's buckle is so good and used on so many builds for sentinels?

[turbid dome]

great stats

max health gained as endurance threshold when you need it

VITALITY ON A BELT (vk loves vitality)

cause 14 vit = 4.6% MORE damage with melee void on vk (and like 15 other things)

[dense spindle]

and i'm guessing that the fact it can be target farmed easily with echoes is a huge bonus as well

[supple ibex]

most likely

[turbid dome]

LE tools thinks is a 100% drop from a woven echo

[supple ibex]

depends how early we can fight Brewdekaiser

[turbid dome]

yea

[clever hazel]

the woven echo it drops from is pretty clear in the description lol

[turbid dome]

I'd imagine its an earlier woven echo given its a lvl 50 ish unique

[winter copper]

no

[supple ibex]

because im debating usin the belt to target farm, or somethin like apathy's

[clever hazel]

it basically just says "run this woven echo and get a beer belt"

[dense spindle]

might be a lvl 50 ish unique just for LP purposes while the encounter is 90, who knows

[supple ibex]

cause weps are big for rive

[turbid dome]

true

[turbid dome]

you farm for apathy's by playing monos

thats part of why i love it, you just end up with a bunch of them

[analog steppe]

plus beer belt has a "hidden effect" (which is probably that potions drop as beer)

[turbid dome]

🍻

[robust lake]

🤔

[dense spindle]

yea... VK builds have such a decent time now getting a decent weapon, you just need a 1LP apathy and a t7 void damage weapon to slam and done, easy decent endgame weapon

[supple ibex]

Do you know if the orobys ambushing you will have him drop loot if we kill? or is something like being in shaper maps and having him fk with u

[turbid dome]

I migrated an older build to the new patch on LE tools and got this

[analog steppe]

yeah he will drop loot

thats the point of the node

[robust lake]

yep

[turbid dome]

he drops loot

[supple ibex]

fkin hell thats awesome

[turbid dome]

I'd imagine it follows the normal loot rules for him

[robust lake]

and its gonna be glorious

[analog steppe]

i think theres also a woven echo where you get to fight all the different shades at the same time

[dense spindle]

srsly this patch seems to cater to vk more than anything lol, free shades, good belt, good buffs, good changes, hp buffs, etc

[supple ibex]

damn

[robust lake]

ye vk and mm are fotm candidates

[strong plume]

With the new Set System they need more/better sets.

[robust lake]

sounds plenty good to me ignore the paladins

[dense spindle]

agreed but nobody can blame EHG for not developing more sets in the meanwhile when the general reception of sets has always been "ew wtf is this so bad", at least until now

[strong plume]

Literally not one good set to use for the new system outside of maybe the Time Rot set for a whole 36% damage.

at the cost of an affix slot

which isnt worth

[supple ibex]

ye but atleast they can build off the new system they have. so they can literally change the meta with a new item set

[dense spindle]

sunforged stuff for FG might be very decent, you can get 20-25% fire damage and 10-12 melee fire times 15 forged weapons

[robust lake]

wonder when we gonna get 3rd prefix/suffix xdd

[spring pollen]

Is sword catcher considered one of best melee spam uniques these days?

[warped ginkgo]

im playing warpath right now and have a question: is it my pc or does warpath stutter all the time? my character stops moving every few seconds

[robust lake]

if u benefit from +6 it probably is, what even utilizes it

[junior wren]

vilatria

[mellow willow]

Siege barrage and Divine fury on javelin is gonna be most broken shit ever
also on top of that they buffed damage by like x 2.5

[spring pollen]

What would be a good alternative for sword catcher? This would be for a vengeance + HH build with some FS mixed in

[analog steppe]

Last Bear is amazing

[junior wren]

shattered lance still pretty good after nerf

[analog steppe]

yeah theres quite a few really good sets

[south zephyr]

The less void damage on block plus elemental to void is actually pretty good tank

[strong plume]

+30 str is nice

[turbid dome]

and all the extra DR nodes vk has

and use forgotten knight's shield on that too

[south zephyr]

Yeah bear on any non-Unique intensive HP strength build is potentially great

[strong plume]

I'll give you this one too

[analog steppe]

time rot set is definitely being used, 36 more is a ton, and 50 pen as well

and you dont even give up much, all the affixes are good

[south zephyr]

Phalanx maybe

[dense spindle]

for sure, especially before min maxing and stuff

[analog steppe]

Corsairs for rogues might be good for 100% glancing

[strong plume]

Yeah it was the set that stood out to me most

[alpine canopy]

It might be a very rare drop only echo, like I'm assuming the bee echo is

[dense spindle]

do we know anything about uber aberroth?

[analog steppe]

the devs said they expected pebbles set to be used a bunch

[junior wren]

and if you think outside the box, you might find other uses. For example, Belt normally doesn't have % increased armor. But with Isadora's Tomb Binding affix shard, it can now.

[alpine canopy]

He's way stronger than current Abby, his woven echo drops from Abby, and he has a few new mechanics

[turbid dome]

I get like 5000000 of it a season... ya better have a maxed affix of that if your using it

[alpine canopy]

but not significantly different aside from more health and damage

[dense spindle]

ah, good, i really want his drop 😄

[noble zenith]

wdym by 2.5? they modified from 200% to 250 wich mean 25% buff

also i feel like this will lack big ST dmg

[eager carbon]

Jebait at its peak

GL covering the 24 manacost

[noble zenith]

cant put more than 1 pts into divine fury i think

its overkill

because the issue wont be to clear map but to have more st dmg i believe, i might be wrong tho

[junior wren]

-9 in tree, -10 on rings

or simply stack some mana regen 😛

[turbid dome]

who needs that with time and faith

c:<

[junior wren]

javelineers do

[alpine canopy]

Siege barrage is pretty good single target on its own

and they are buffing it

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

You can sustain full siege barrage currently, and the total mana cost is getting significantly reduced in S2, so it will be even easier

[still plinth]

Is there a maximum number of Devouring Orbs that can exist/rotate around you?

[south zephyr]

However many you can get

Which is kinda semi-limited

[still plinth]

Can't you pretty much keep an infinite number now with reversal?

[south zephyr]

Nah the younger node only procs once

[still plinth]

Oh it's only once

sadface 😦

[south zephyr]

Otherwise you'd stack infinite orbs

[still plinth]

Yeah that was pretty much it xd

[strong plume]

The new stuff makes becoming practically an unkillable machine super super easy now.

[south zephyr]

For VK?

[still plinth]

i guess at that point it's better Void Eruption over Abyssal Orb

[south zephyr]

Ehhhh I mean it'll be good but nowhere near unkillable

At least not at 1000c

[south zephyr]

Needs testing but yeah warpath orb turrets is probably DoA, maybe as a supplement to VK Smite WP

[obsidian tide]

hmmm, what does "Health regen from Symbols of Hope" from paladin's Covenant of Protection means ? is it a constant +5 as long as Symbols is in the skill bar ? +5 per symbol (looks OP) ? +5 for the active part ?

[south zephyr]

Unclear but 5 per will be busted

[obsidian tide]

on the other hand 5 flat looks pretty meh

[strong plume]

I dunno, you can cap out Block Effectiveness, 100% Block Chance, and Armor Cap with almost no effort now.

[obsidian tide]

even with the increased effect

[strong plume]

And a lot, a LOT more DoT mitigation

[south zephyr]

Wait what did I miss on the passive tree

[strong plume]

New Idol Affixes from Weaver have Armor Mitigation as DoT Mitigation now

[south zephyr]

Ohhhhh, snap yeah that'll be good

[hexed sky]

Oh wow…that’s actually crazy good

[south zephyr]

Especially since my health is gonna plummet

[strong plume]

Yeah I'm messing around and have 85% Armor Cap, 85% Block Effective, 149% Block Chance, -30% DoT Mitigation, -10% Damage Taken, -10% Nearby Damage Taken, 132% Reduced Bonus Damage from Crits....

Like...the numbers are wild now.

But way less HP

2,600hp but with that much avoidance of damage

[south zephyr]

Hmmm yeah okay that's pretty nuts

[strong plume]

itll be fine

[south zephyr]

Sadly my build can't use a shield

[still plinth]

Pretty much what i was thinking. Mostly i just wanted to make a caster VK without doing Smite again, and that felt maybe enough

[south zephyr]

I mean if you stack 100% CDR it might be workable

[still plinth]

I guess i'll try it, it's just a couple of level of respec, if it's good enough to clear with without spamming Smite for everything it's a win for me

[south zephyr]

Or instead of orbit use VR to transport

You want it anyways for duration

[still plinth]

Honestly for the orbit it was mostly about autocasting

[south zephyr]

Max CDR + VR probably lets you keep like 6 out at once

It's not bad

[still plinth]

the numpad thing still works?

[south zephyr]

Yeah

I also meant 6 with orbit

100% CDR is 2 second CD, 32% of the time it's reduced to 1 second and you can get +4 seconds flat duration with VR

[still plinth]

Oh, i mean 6 orbs feel enough for clearing without having to click anything

[south zephyr]

Well you'll need to VR once on a while

Flat duration is big

[still plinth]

Yeah yeah, that's fine

Last paladin i did was smite dude, and smiting every single pack was quite a lot after a while xd

[south zephyr]

Yeah I vastly prefer WP smite

[still plinth]

I respecced him into hammer+smite

it was fine after, but still a bit too much clicking to kill white/blues

[south zephyr]

Orbital turrets don't really have good scaling options is the other issue I think

Abyssal Emission just doesn't have any easily accessible scalers

Wait NVM forgot there were some sub skill scalers in the tree

[still plinth]

yeah double proc rate

and some free void shred

I mean in the end it's just a clear skill

Cosmic Impact+ turret and just reversal around the battlefield

[south zephyr]

Yeah and I think you can tag it onto a WP Smite base with very little trouble

[abstract edge]

for minions- any thoughts about forge weapons vs manifest armor/shield throw?

[south zephyr]

WP Smite has an unused skill slot in any case

Instead of Holy Aura/Jav you do VR/dOrb

Palarus + Abyss Shield for weapon fit, slap last bear for a bunch of strength and regen

[still plinth]

But i would have to remove Anomaly 😦

[vale ravine]

Note tho that damage from shattered chains is still unparalleled
I will prob still run brew for monoing but boss one taps is prob still chains

[still plinth]

Can dOrb echo?

[turbid dome]

true

[turbid dome]

yes

[south zephyr]

Only when cast

I.e. Not in auto cast

[still plinth]

Even with the run? aww 😦

[south zephyr]

Yeah made me sad too

[dense spindle]

is that generally the case for most things? like multistrike smites can't be echoed?

[south zephyr]

Sorta, multi strike itself can echo and those echoed can trigger a smite

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, only direct uses can be echoed.
The full multistrike can echo, which does its own smites

[south zephyr]

But the smites themselves can't echo

[dense spindle]

ah, still cool, might go for multistrike smite vk until i get some gear for erasing strike / other shenanigans

[south zephyr]

Mike wasnt 100% sure with dOrb, but it would be unusual if it could echo

[gusty abyss]

showcase showed it echoing

[south zephyr]

Wait it did? On the autocast node?

Oh snap if that's true that's huge

[alpine canopy]

It can echo when you direct cast it, but procs can't echo

[still plinth]

a man can only hope

[south zephyr]

That's like 20% more orbs out

[gusty abyss]

https://youtu.be/t-1CB0p17WE?si=_sB7vqdrn8ewT5_e

Time stamped, he moves, it echoes

[vale ravine]

What i was kinda toying with yesterday is using brew to reach the vitality threshold of the buff in dorb, then tbe gap is smaller
Assuming dorb is not replacing another buff skill like ae, so that means...VC. turn HH into movement skill to replace that part of the functionality, my only problem is i dont know if auto cast dorbs can keep up max TR and void shred stacks, but if yes that could be a way to go. You dont even stop to cleave anymore just spam ES

[south zephyr]

Oh snap

[still plinth]

(the time stamp doesn't work)

[turbid dome]

I mostly just want the belt for beer

🍻

[vale ravine]

Based

[turbid dome]

cause beer is basically just bee

beer bees?

beer bees!

[south zephyr]

With an experimental affix, yes

[turbid dome]

BEER BEES

[gusty abyss]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkpbAFr4MVHpCjvYjsWbUOKOMJgFrId1s?si=iVCfCewOwEQgsuKB

Clipped it instead xD

[south zephyr]

45% echo chance with all the passives

[vale ravine]

I might still try the dorb angle anyway just for funs, even if it is less stacks automation could feel good while running around

[south zephyr]

OMG that's a lot of turrets

[still plinth]

GIEF ME ALL THE TURRETS

[south zephyr]

WP Void Smite dOrbital Turrets is a go

Maximum spin2cast

[still plinth]

DOWN WITH THE DOMINANCE OF SMITE, WE ARE HERE TO WELCOME OUR ECHOED TURRETS

[south zephyr]

Why not both?

We have the room!

[still plinth]

But i want anomaly 😦

[gusty abyss]

Orian's descent imdiatly crushes your dorb main skill dreams IMO. Its still smite all the way.

[still plinth]

dOrb>Reversal>Symbol of Hope and then it's just two

(i mean Anomaly is a permanent 30% cdr)

[vale ravine]

Wish anomaly got an autocast

[still plinth]

Once every 10 seconds i feel it's acceptable

I mean, the good thing about Last epoch is that you can just switch a couple of things around and try both spec

You can even guarantee dOrb echoes with Reversal

[gusty abyss]

6 per 10, but cd reset on potion use. AKA 6 on demand, 3 times.

[junior wren]

silly void boi, it's the era of Fissure dominance

[quasi totem]

I'm trying to build a handicap friendly warpath sentinel with basically everything automated, but I am not the smartest person in the world and have no idea if it's even going to be effective lol. I really want to avoid following a guide this season and try to at least build something viable on my own 😛

[still plinth]

Oh i meant mostly the Bubble for the buffs

[gusty abyss]

Doh

[still plinth]

I mean, it's just chillier, press that, get some nice buffs, and be fine

now that symbol is auto too, that's quite chill too

[south zephyr]

Fissure is convertible to void

[gusty abyss]

This can be done. Literally 1 button build.

[still plinth]

Warpath+smite+whatever else you want

[south zephyr]

Yeah it works really well and it's one button that moves you

[quasi totem]

@gusty abyss I currently have a 1-button warpath build, or at least a very basic idea of one, sitting in the LE Planner but I have my doubts as to how effective it will really be with my inexperience making my own builds

[gusty abyss]

Thats part of the fun right? Without giving away details, you can reach this: https://imgur.com/a/j5YSvsS

[shadow cove]

I'm probably gonna level paladin into vk warpath

[quasi totem]

I didn't even think about an auto-smite warpath, I was thinking about Forged Weapons with ignite. Smite might be fun too 😛

[dense spindle]

multistrike smite vk 😄

[shadow cove]

Man rive felt buttery smooth levelling last night and its just getting buffed

[quasi totem]

Are we allowed to post builds in here? I can toss what I have up...but it might hurt some peoples souls to see it 😛

[still plinth]

Aww i just saw you can't switch your stats into Vitality

Damn you nerfing VK

[shadow cove]

Nope str int dex attunement

[dense spindle]

WHAT

[obsidian tide]

I guess that's because most items can't have vitality as prefix

even though being able to switch a body armor attribute into vitality would've been sweet

[junior wren]

I know, that's why I said it's the era of Fissure

[obsidian tide]

Just to be sure, as I've never actually played DoT/ailment builds. The base damage value (or, the damage value lister on LEtools) is the damage that one stack will deal during its base duration, correct ?

[still plinth]

Nope, just str/dex/attunemenet/int

[dense spindle]

ummm yes? 100% of base damage would be dealt in 100% of duration of 1 (ONE) stack
at least that's how it would make sense to me

[quasi totem]

@dense spindle There it is than ^^; https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXwvZ2NB Honestly I feel like I should weaken the idols too considering I have no idea how long it would take to get those. I didn't even add any exalts since I was trying to make the build more...baseline. No idea what uniques would even benefit the build either, most of the time I find exalts/rares better unless you need something super specific

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (21)

General:

▸ Health: 3,591, Regen: 504.57/s
▸ Mana: 182.51, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 41 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 145% / 156% / 116% / 131% / 88% / 79% / 84%
▸ EHP: 14,250 / 14,250 / 14,250 / 26,707 / 15,000 / 14,250 / 14,250

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,047
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,212)
▸ Block Chance: 49%, Mitigation: 31% (720)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Symbols of Hope (4/4,Passive), Warpath

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Forge Strike (23)

Used unique items:

None

[quasi totem]

oh...thats a big picture.

sorry ^^;

[obsidian tide]

So, if my LEtools tells me my Time Rot damage is 10k, it means 1 stack deals 10k damage over its base duration ?
If I get 50% increased duration, it means each stack will deal the same damage per second, but for longer ? So the 10k damage that's listed would instead become 15k for the whole duration ?

[dense spindle]

someone said that adding a ~ before the link makes it not trigger the bot

[quasi totem]

I will try to remember that if I have to post another one lol

[cursive compass]

Who has the void rive build

Man I need to cook but I am tired

[dense spindle]

yea, in theory it should amount to 150% of the damage dealt over 150% of the duration

[cursive compass]

There is a lot of reduced damage taken

[shadow cove]

Yeah I'm just gonna respec into vk and level as an immortal paladin

[cursive compass]

50% ele to Void conversion as damage taken

Combined with the void glove

GIGA TANK

[dense spindle]

idk i'd just VK rive or multistrike to level

[cursive compass]

I am sad healing hands is just fire only

If it could be void converted

[quasi forum]

Is Warpath Void Knight still viable?

[shadow cove]

I was doing paladin rive and healing hands on rive nothing could kill me

Probably more.viable than before

Bc now.you habe devouring orbs for free

[quasi forum]

Ooooh, nice

Been meaning to look into that skill.

[dense spindle]

from where?

[shadow cove]

They auto cast while.youre moving with uhhh one of the nodes

Idr which

[dense spindle]

ah, that's not really "free" but i getcha

[cursive compass]

You will become a void tornado

[shadow cove]

The issue with even numlock orbiting orbs is you still stopped to cast it