🔱┃sentinel

[waxen nymph]

Was it not because of the Maxroll mistake?

[gusty abyss]

Was that 1.1 or 1.0?

Its been to long, 8 days, thats what I do now

[waxen nymph]

1.0

Where they accidently revealed Falconer planner before

I don't know, anyway hopefully we get the planner with the patch note

[woven temple]

it was

[lethal cove]

What is last epoch tools

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/

The best site ever

[lethal cove]

Ah

[spring pollen]

Wow so they straight up changed the flat damage per forge weapon to FS and SW to be straight melee fire damage 😃

This was a screenshot from the stream

I reaaaaally hope that is the affix that gets carried on the shards now 😃

[gusty abyss]

that seems plausible, the other affixes can be gotten already

[wicked monolith]

Forgotten knight shield seems like it could be fairly strong with the new vk passive that converts ele damage taken to void, no?

[junior wren]

they fixed the set. Before it was locked to FS and SW, now you can use it on vengeance for example 😄

with the new nodes: up to 100% chance to proc iron blade, and that connects to % chance to summon forged weapons

although this means you have to play a 2h mace

Hmm, I wonder if it's worth going VK Javelin for the echo instead of FG 🤔

use the new VR to teleport in + get Frenzy + drop Abyssal Echoes

[waxen nymph]

I feel like the Dex node are really good

Also Javelin + Shield might be real sexy

[wise moss]

Is the sunforged set any good? The weapons sound cool (the 4 minions)

[junior wren]

the old sunforged set was good for oneshotting bosses with smelters, but otherwise nobody used it 😄

[wise moss]

Old meaning before the rework they showed?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[uneven gorge]

300+ flat from a single node is nice. Probably doesn't apply to forged weapons as well, but hopefully

[junior wren]

even if the affix did apply, they would inherit the effect, and your minions don't have any forged weapons on their own 😛

[uneven gorge]

I was thinking the added damage is calculated before the forged weapons inherit the effect, effectively being just a flat damage node, but yeah, it probably doesn't

Void cleave still better for flat anyway, just less consistent

[junior wren]

yeah, the effect is not a flat damage node, they would have to have their own forged weapons' forged weapons to benefit from that affix 😄

but

set shards

so maybe it'll enable a build like vengeance or smth else

[rapid cedar]

does void cleave feel awkward to play (using it to buff minions). Trying to decide between it or healing hands. void cleave gives 187.5 flat fire damage, which i think would then be applied at 500% effectivness for forged weapons, thats not terrible

[uneven gorge]

Wait, would it get doubled with rive? :o

[uneven gorge]

There isn't a cap on the stacks, so you can have 2 charges of void cleave and give your forged weapons 375 flat for a few seconds

Good for circumventing the clunkiness of using void cleave by killing the boss in that time >.>

[junior wren]

I think that's a good question for #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs 😄 but my guess is nope 😄

[spring pollen]

Yeah exactly now it might have many more applications. Generating forge weapons for the buff shouldn’t be too hard at all.

[junior wren]

also VC is not 375 flat, right? 5 * 15 * (1 + 1.5) = 187.5

[uneven gorge]

Yeah, same. It doesn't directly add damage lol. Would by funny if that slipped by tho

[uneven gorge]

10 stacks, not 5. Use it twice 🫡

[spring pollen]

Vengeance has a fire conversion node now, and also a node that gives frenzy on hit and more damage per ignite on the target. Tasty

[junior wren]

right, stacking. So why not go for 3 charges with Darkstride boots? 😛

[uneven gorge]

Sure. Though the animation is a bit too long, so you'd get- what- 1 second of 15 stacks? xd

I'll try it rq

[junior wren]

if you don't make it a traversal skill it should depend on your attack speed

[uneven gorge]

Faster than I thought. Like 1.5 seconds to spam 3. Not bad

[junior wren]

ideal for boss nuking. Run around for cooldowns while Abby does his spell spam, jump in and stack 😄

[uneven gorge]

Got my manifest armour to do 200k on the test dummy lol

[junior wren]

nice 😄

you know what, I never actually wondered about this, does Symbols of Hope have a range limit? Like, does it still buff my minions if they go off-screen? 😄

[waxen nymph]

Oo

Good question

[alpine canopy]

I'm 95% sure that immediately after patch notes dropped, EHG greenlit all the tools to update

[spring pollen]

If i have +200 flat fire melee damage from that hammer, and i hit with vengeance + HH, would both skills apply that flat damage at the same time?

[alpine canopy]

Yes it does, probably about the same as holy aura's radius

Did you see the Weaver tree node? Every time you use 'empower', nemesis drops nemesis weapons when you defeat it.

[junior wren]

yes

[alpine canopy]

Not exactly, vengeance gets +200 when you press the button and when you first hit an enemy, then HH procs and gets its +200. But very close together timewise

[junior wren]

but your HH must be converted to a melee attack

I think he was asking if the flat damage applies to both, not about the timing of the hits 😄

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, when you have a stat, it applies to everything you do

Like theoretically one of your FWs could die during that tiny window and your HH would get less damage though lol

But you're right, not really important

[junior wren]

true

[spring pollen]

Ok amazing. So HH can basically (kind of) double your regular hit damage.

Would this mean ignites etc would be applied double as well? Say i had 100% ignite on my hammer

It would get two stacks?

[lethal cove]

I will def play void knight as a second character if not my first

[halcyon yoke]

@gusty abyss just had a look at your warpath build
are you converting that fire pen to void somehow? or you just put 5 points cyclone of war for the 10% base crit?

[scenic gyro]

the base crit alone is worth it but you are right, the fire pen doesnt get converted to void

[gusty abyss]

I am not even converting warpath to void xD But yes, base crit.

[halcyon yoke]

well, you'll be able to drop some points as you get more crit

with the setup you showed, you'd still be capped at 4/5

[turbid dome]

I missed that completely

[scenic gyro]

sorry what are nemesis weapons? the harbinger bases?

[gusty abyss]

Don't think ill have max rolls though

[halcyon yoke]

true, didnt see it was set to max and not average

[gusty abyss]

I mean, T7 spell crit might already be out of reach, might just be t6

[halcyon yoke]

then you need 5/5 to cap it

also, why are you scaling both str and vit?

[gusty abyss]

armor, hp spelldamage, gotta make up for only ~20 on the sceptre

[halcyon yoke]

right, str is purely defensive

though i had missed a scaling tag

[scenic gyro]

the 1hand sword

[gusty abyss]

palarus makes it give spelldamage

[halcyon yoke]

true, true

30

[turbid dome]

Yeah the ones you only get from nemesis and then upgrade by beating up a harby

[scenic gyro]

tyty

i hope they show us the new lootfilter options in the qol blogpost

[turbid dome]

The one in question for wizard vk is the scorn scepter because it has low flat spells dmg but a big fat flat crit implicit

And vk spells get flat from vit so your not really lacking on flat dmg

[spring pollen]

Making a list of sources of melee attack speed for FG, anyone think of any others?
Weapon prefix, gloves, frenzy, abyssal echoes buff, blademaster passive

[halcyon yoke]

this?

[spring pollen]

Oh nice ty

[halcyon yoke]

but idk if it'd be a good idea to specialize into these things for what you have in mind

you could look at what keyen did yesterday for time rot, he tried to get as much generic as as possible

[spring pollen]

Oh right good idea, ill scroll up and check it out

[halcyon yoke]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDKLaGJA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,181, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 27% / 27% / 87% / 87% / 53% / 53%
▸ EHP: 2,329 / 1,574 / 1,574 / 2,986 / 2,329 / 1,909 / 1,909

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 236
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (33)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (3,001)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Javelin (20)
• Smite (20)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Vipertail

[glass pollen]

is the smite skill getting touched?

[gusty abyss]

We know the crit node is reduced from 5 to 4 points and no longer has a cast speed penalty. No other changes know so far.

[spring pollen]

Ty!

[analog steppe]

I think it’s a given that (most/all) of the sentinel skills are receiving some sort of buff to make up for the loss of VR damage boost

[glass pollen]

sounds good! im thinking of playing paladin smite of some sort so just wondering if ther was info out

[scenic gyro]

we'll know everything on friday with patchnotes

[glass pollen]

thannk you!

[waxen nymph]

Yes

HH is a regular melee hit

Just it's procced

[halcyon yoke]

still 2% crit per point, for a total of 8?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[last bison]

What are the best ways to proc smite?

I know there's a cast on throwing hit idol

[halcyon yoke]

@gusty abyss so you're expecting DOrb+WP to aoe clear, and Smite for ST?
or you think you'll get enough Smite to handle everything?
per second, I see

• 1 from WP
• up to 3 with Palarus
• up to 1 with gloves
• up to 1 with relic
  so up to 6/s

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, smite is good enough when it 1 shots everything. You are missing 1 on relic from generic damage and 1 from axe passive. Won't cap palarus 1-1.5 is more realistic

[south zephyr]

Wait Dorb cast on move + warpath

Oh god

[gusty abyss]

Anomaly with time wave will aoe clear when needed. The rest will nuke single target.

Oh and the warpath echos also cast smite and throw axes that cast smite so that is another 4-5 smites. And I guess they would enable capping palarus.

Yeah, this might get a little out of hand 😁

[south zephyr]

Thoughts on your defensive layers for this?

If strength stacking last bear gives a lot of sustain

[gusty abyss]

Good enough for 1kc if the changes aren't to bad. Not gonna go 2k+ or anything.

But euh, double red ring and it might.

Could also drop the gloves and get ravenous

[scenic gyro]

or new uber abby gloves

[turbid dome]

I want those gloves

[scenic gyro]

same

[gusty abyss]

Yeah those should also be good defense

[turbid dome]

I wonder if there’s gonna be a bait guide that uses those in it

[halcyon yoke]

I agree farming 1k should be the goal
usually it's not even efficient to farm higher than that
and if you really want to push high corruption, you'd go into avoidance and not DR
like that 97% avoidance build with WP (but that would likely lack damage to push that high)

[turbid dome]

Man I consider it a win if a random build I make hits 500 corruption

[halcyon yoke]

if you play it long enough, improve it + your gear over time, no reason it couldnt

[turbid dome]

Yea

I normally just get bored and make a new build then

[halcyon yoke]

ya, like most people
but that's where all the new itemization might kick in
more incremental gearing steps to help you keep going with the same build

[turbid dome]

True

Ima hit 2k corruption on time rot vk

Using forgotten knight shield and amulet… probably slap the affix onto something else for the full set

The void rift from the forgotten knights amulet gets aliment chance on it right?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

They are a hit after all

You know what I would like to see

Smth similar to storm Bolts but with Void Rifts

DOrb could be where you modify the Rifts

[turbid dome]

I’ve decided then, fk amulet and shield and shard craft on something for the set

[south zephyr]

Wait dumb question since I've never played it but devouring orb only deals damage when you kill something, yeah?

[waxen nymph]

Now yes
Edit sorry
Unless you take Void Eruption and/or Orbit Hit

[south zephyr]

Okay so damage/clear amp for packs

[waxen nymph]

In S2 it will have a Spell DoT aura

[turbid dome]

Wait is hollow/turret orb getting removed

[waxen nymph]

?

[south zephyr]

Noted, smite proc WP dOrb seems interesting in that case

[waxen nymph]

Oh right it can shoot Orbs

Damn

[south zephyr]

Ooooh orbit wp could be funny

[turbid dome]

Love me turret orb

[waxen nymph]

I am really out of my shoes today

[turbid dome]

I wonder if the turret orb shots get the aura on it

Like rav hammers

[south zephyr]

Wait can you do turrets that orbit you?

Omg I need to find a way to scale that, it's like my favorite terraria mod minion in an arpg

[turbid dome]

I believe so

Gonna try that for the auto cast node

[south zephyr]

Scaling is probably miserable looking at the damage effectiveness and duration nerf on orbit but still

Neeeeeeed

What's the base duration, 8 seconds?

[turbid dome]

The turret node increased duration by a lot

Assuming that’s not changed

[south zephyr]

Yeah but orbit halves it

[turbid dome]

Ye so it’s like 7 seconds duration

[south zephyr]

Need a lot of CDR

[turbid dome]

Good thing sent can get to a decent amount of that

[south zephyr]

Base turret cast time is 3 seconds and the random speed up is max 140%

Could get, hmmm like 6 or 7 of them up on auto cast probably?

Okay actually scaling here might work

Warpath has obvious synergy with constant movement and a ton of generic base crit

Hmmm shame we can't make abyssal echoes an instant cast

Oh wait WP node

[alpine canopy]

Not implicitly, the shots are a different skill

With the new ability to move orbs almost at-will with VR (while proccing other void spells from VR), stationary turrets is the way

[echo fractal]

Hey
So I played holy trail pally ages ago and I'm gonna go for it again in the next patch. Looking at the maxroll guide they use sceptre + bastion. I ran with the unique Judicator. Is sceptre + shield straight up better or is the judicator still good??

[halcyon yoke]

@gusty abyss on which new season 2 stuff are you relying for your void smite wp? I see the 6% as from auto dorb, but what else?

[turbid dome]

Yeah but also orbiting dorbs get auto cast

[alpine canopy]

Autocast, but halves your DPS 😅

[south zephyr]

Yeah not really building for pure power tbh, this is crazy auto cast comfy build

Gonna see if we can break 500C and maybe uberroth

Think I found my league start

[alpine canopy]

You can definitely diversify by using other automatic or semi-auto skills to support orbiting dorbs

[south zephyr]

Yeah plan is WP+Echoes+dOrb maybe smite if I find Palarus

Otherwise anomaly+VR

[alpine canopy]

Abby's command for rav aura as well

[south zephyr]

Ohhhhhh forgot that even existed, yeah instant VC instead of.... Hmmm probably abomaly

VR as traversal for dodges is too nice

[lethal cove]

If they heavily nerf falcon ill prob do some kinda vk

[echo fractal]

No other holy trail enjoyers? 😎

[turbid dome]

I’m lazy

But also I realize I haven’t picked a main skill yet

[south zephyr]

Choose quickly all the good ones are almost taken

[lethal cove]

Can any sentinal builds hit 2k corruption

[south zephyr]

Currently? IDK don't think so

[gusty abyss]

Not new, but achievable: scorn sceptre.
I do already have this currently: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/skyqula/character/Voidwinter

[turbid dome]

Anomaly as a direct damage skill

[waxen nymph]

It has a huge more dmg

[turbid dome]

Actually

That might not be bad given time wave gets like 250% more damage

As like a bossing boost

[south zephyr]

Wait is 200% really that high?

Oh within the tree maybe?

[turbid dome]

but also smite

[halcyon yoke]

Right, might lack enough "newness" for me to consider it. We'll see after patch notes

[south zephyr]

I was just looking at base damage effectiveness

[south zephyr]

I mean WP tree is already point starved for this so getting enough procs and not being able to use offhand shield for better defense might be an issue

[gusty abyss]

For newness it's probably mana guide as far as "spin to win" goes

[turbid dome]

Oh that was for time rot vk, not using wp

[waxen nymph]

200% More Dmg = Dmg x3

[south zephyr]

Well yeah but I feel like there's a fair chunk of skills with like 400-600% more damage effectiveness

For the base scaling

[turbid dome]

Cause I think anomaly is keeping its giant void dmg boost node

[waxen nymph]

But that slow hard hitting skill with high mana cost

[turbid dome]

And it can reset/buff ailments

[south zephyr]

Okay fair vs having 6 orbs

So it'll net out the same or better

[turbid dome]

Dorb 👍

[south zephyr]

WP dOrb autobomber

[waxen nymph]

I killed Abby with DOrb + Smite and was clearing 350C just fine

[south zephyr]

Yeeeeee

[waxen nymph]

Void Dot DOrb 😏😏

[turbid dome]

Plus 6 dorbs = more effective AOE than one big skill

[turbid dome]

That’s my plan

[waxen nymph]

Hey ! No!

[south zephyr]

EHG gibs patch

[waxen nymph]

That's my second character

Warpath?

[turbid dome]

I’d jokingly change my name to Cpt. Vlad but that’s against server rules

[turbid dome]

Ew no

Void wizard gang

[south zephyr]

Warpath wizard

[turbid dome]

I bee casting not spinning

[waxen nymph]

My plan is Warpath DOrb VC (Rav Aura) AE

SoH or Smite Fissure

Depends if I want to meme or get smth better 😂👑

[south zephyr]

Sadly I bet echoed dOrb doesn't orbit you

[waxen nymph]

They do

[scenic gyro]

crit health belt looks fun ^^

[south zephyr]

Oh heck yeeeeeesssss

[waxen nymph]

They do exalty what a normal one would

[south zephyr]

Max echo chance so having like 8-9 up via autocast

This is gonna be great

[turbid dome]

[south zephyr]

Shame that the crit for sword node gives fire pen for sceptres

[turbid dome]

Caster vk shall rise

[waxen nymph]

Warpath has 50flat spell and 20%'Block

No need for pen

[south zephyr]

Yeah but base crit is too good to pass up if I can make room for it tbh

10% base crit is insane

[turbid dome]

Wait base crit on a dot build?

Am I mixing up the current build we’re talking about

[south zephyr]

Turrets aren't a dot

[turbid dome]

No yeah I wanted to use turrets to apply dots

[south zephyr]

Ooooooh

[turbid dome]

A hit based one would work too

[south zephyr]

Yeah we're talking past each other the lol

[turbid dome]

[echo fractal]

Can you use 2H + shield now?

[turbid dome]

Forge guard gets a node for it in 1.2

[south zephyr]

Forge guard only

[turbid dome]

Any twohander that isn’t a staff

[echo fractal]

Ohh

[south zephyr]

And it's at the top of the tree

[echo fractal]

Cool, thx

[turbid dome]

[echo fractal]

Where did they show or say this? Sorry, been out of the loop for a while.

[turbid dome]

Probably the Friday podcasts at some point

But also their hype week post form yesterday covered a bunch of sentinel stuff

[turbid dome]

Found the big fancy picture

[echo fractal]

Thanks man, I'm on mobile so it's tough finding stuff. Cheers

Cool node

[turbid dome]

A bunch of things are pinned in this chat as well

[gusty abyss]

Vit belt, that could be something, I wonder if 3LP is possible

[turbid dome]

#🔱┃sentinel message

[turbid dome]

There a vitality belt?

[echo fractal]

Dunno how to see pinned in the mobile app so Ty for that too

[turbid dome]

Tap channel name at the top -> click pins tab

[scenic gyro]

that does not look like a high lp unique

prolly 2 max

[gusty abyss]

crab ring at 50 with 3lp is very doable, 52, if no lpl lvl set, should make 3 possible

[turbid dome]

Oh my Owobyss

[scenic gyro]

ilvl has nothing to do with lpl though

[turbid dome]

I want that now

[turbid dome]

Biggest proof of this is prism wraps

[scenic gyro]

yep

[turbid dome]

It just happens that most low ilvl stuff is also weaker than high ilvl stuff

[analog steppe]

I wouldn’t say “nothing to do with” there is obviously some correlation but there are examples in both directions

[turbid dome]

Yeah correlation, not causation

[scenic gyro]

belt is a stat slot anyways, so its not a huge loss with low lp

[turbid dome]

From the look of it, the belt is strong but I can’t image it would be considered super strong cause you still gotta chug pots for it to work

[scenic gyro]

vit endurance on armor base, thats already pretty strong stat wise+ unique effects on top

[turbid dome]

But the 10% hp as endurance threshold is very nice for when you do need to panic chug a pots

[turbid dome]

Fair

[scenic gyro]

i wont complain if we get 3 or 4lp 😂

[turbid dome]

It is coin mail tho so it is intentionally a weaker base

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

S2

[scenic gyro]

we can say in a week now :3 soon hype

[turbid dome]

[last bison]

I bet the secret part of that belt is that all potions drop as beer

[analog steppe]

That’s definitely it

[alpine canopy]

We might end up running very similar builds
All depends on how time rot looks, because I might run that instead of spell DOT if it's good.

[turbid dome]

🍻

[halcyon yoke]

I asked Mike, he said auto devouring orb wouldnt proc echoes
So you might still be stuck with num lock

[south zephyr]

Uuuuuuugh

I mean can't use WP with numlock

Hmmm might not be able to with autocast either actually

Depends on if the autocast is instant

[last bison]

I think I saw a comment on the subreddit that the auto cast is instant

From judd

[south zephyr]

Not technically instant but does interrupt

So Wp dOrb is a go

Per Mike

[rapid cedar]

would 4% increased armor per forged weapon be local or global increase? Like, does it just give 60% (assuming 15 weapons) increased armour on the helmet, or is it for the character total.

[south zephyr]

Total IIRC

It's nuts

[turbid dome]

There are no local modifiers in last epoch

At least for gear

Like a rive node for 20% more damage is only going to affect rive

[rapid cedar]

oh ok, 21000 hours of poe makes my brain think a certain way anymore. TY 😄

[turbid dome]

Have fun!

Also for a brain twister, LE parry is block in poe and LE block is a % dr

you can hit 100% block chance

[south zephyr]

Okay autocast turrets is going to NEED like +4-6 skill level I think

There's a lot of stuff you want on dOrb tree

[rapid cedar]

are all these new devices (for experiment, set shattering, attribute changing) stuff that we need to travel to in the world when we need them, or added to the base forge function after you find them?

[turbid dome]

I believe you need to find them all

Using the new weaver echos

[turbid dome]

Not too hard to get

[spring pollen]

Ooooh the blog post shows sunforge helm reforged with the preferred affixes......... Good sign. Sunforge set reforged will be bis next patch 😄 calling it

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget, you can’t put the set affixes onto legendaries

[south zephyr]

Extremely probable especially for scaling player damage via FW

[south zephyr]

Champ affixes+set shards is almost certainly better unless the Unique is very synergistic or build defining tbh

In this particular case

Unclear on other builds

[turbid dome]

Fair point

[south zephyr]

Sadly the known champ affixes don't look that amazing for spell VK

The abyssal adds a VC charge and melee damage

[spring pollen]

Yup can get a lot of flat damage and flat hp regen quite easily

[south zephyr]

And probably armor too

Extremely tanky possibilities there

[spring pollen]

Hammer and Chest may or may not be good, but will have to wait on patch notes to be sure!

[turbid dome]

I’m hoping a big %increased dmg for void spells

That would be a very nice easy slap on for wizard vk

[south zephyr]

2 days I suppose

Assuming the patch notes are fairly complete

[spring pollen]

Im thinking 2H rive or vengeance + HH for mana generator and damage, then Forgestrike for summoning FW for damage stacking and buffs, smelters wrath for mana spender big smack down with +area for shorter charge up, +1 extra skill. All using sunforge set reforged onto some spicy exalts.

[south zephyr]

Vengeance seems very interesting need to see the tree but that's my guess

Maybe Javelin for traversal and some buffs?

Or sigils actually would be nice, lotta tank potential with the sun seal

[spring pollen]

Yeah good idea and the added health regen and fire damage could be helpful

[turbid dome]

The new VR seems like so much fun

[junior wren]

the ward affix on rings and hp + regen affixes look great

[inland quarry]

hopefully there are more uniques for sentinels coming up

[south zephyr]

Endurance Threshold getting gutted will be interesting

Not commonly used admittedly, but it feels like a health nerf

Ah someone's probably mathed it out and I'm wrong

[last bison]

I'm excited to see what Aurelius smite multistrike looks like

Do the extra swords trigger extra smites

[south zephyr]

Gah, pally is tempting

Gigasmite is always fun to watch explode things

[spring pollen]

They are basically saying that the flat health boost should somewhat compensate for lack of end threshold affixes now. But still.

[halcyon yoke]

where is that math?

[halcyon yoke]

still think it's too bad to remove a defense mechanic
sure EHG wanted to simplify how to build life, but it also removes a creative tool in how we build our characters

[analog steppe]

they are saying that no one took endurance threshold anyways, so deleting it has no negative effects on the player

[uneven gorge]

Nah, just moving it around off your items a bit #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[spring pollen]

Oh nice, thats good

So can still spec into it if you like

[turbid dome]

One day we will replace the flat endurance threshold affix with % max health as endurance threshold

[south zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b8yad8/comparing_flat_hp_to_endurance_threshold_impact/

In the comments mostly

[south zephyr]

Okay that is good, also multiplies healing effects tona degree

Huhhh wonder where it's stashed now, blessings maybe?

[halcyon yoke]

that's not what they said
it's because they want to simplify building life for new players

[south zephyr]

Ooh bet it's either blessings or weaver idols affixes

[halcyon yoke]

if it was a number issue, they could have buffed ET affixes instead of removing them

[south zephyr]

Since that's available cross class and towards end game

[halcyon yoke]

even if we get new access to ET elsewhere
the fact that they removed it from gear is leading to one less way to build defenses, as you cant decide to go for a high ET
which would have been even easier (but maybe not stronger) to build with these new sources

[south zephyr]

That being said if we can both itemize gear fully for HP and get ET from other sources that may be a major defensive buff for HP

If the ET available is significant

All depends on where that new ET is coming from

[waxen nymph]

There are still ways to build ET

It involves Unique but it's stil' there

[halcyon yoke]

sure, but they removed options to get higher ET
and they removed player agency in how we build our defenses

[prisma merlin]

whats ET?

[south zephyr]

They also apparently added new off-item ways to spec for it

[uneven gorge]

Why do you think it's gone? It's moved off of items (mostly), but that doesn't mean you can no longer build it

[south zephyr]

Yeah player agency is a fair criticism, but if it nets out to a defensive buff I'm pretty okay with that

[uneven gorge]

Endurance threshold ^^

[waxen nymph]

Endurance Threshold

[uneven gorge]

Get caught ehe

[prisma merlin]

ty lol still learning the LE lingo

[waxen nymph]

Don't worry

[analog tide]

ET scared the crap out of me as a kid

i cant be the only one

[halcyon yoke]

still, ET is nice against the life yoyo effect, as niche described it here
they should have leaned into giving us more options to build ET vs life
instead of throwing the towel and saying ET is just too confusing for new players

[eager carbon]

Whats complicated? Its pretty well explained

[halcyon yoke]

idk, that's what EHG said

[south zephyr]

Be nice if they had a foot of the mountain type booster for non-dodge based builds -_-

Side question does Abberoth do mostly void damage?

High ET + Forgotten Knight Shield + VK less damage node could be hilarious face tank if so

[turbid dome]

The amount of times I’ve had to explain if a hit would leave you under your endurance threshold your endurance % applies to the portion of the damage under the threshold is a lot

[south zephyr]

Yes hello I would like to take 16% of normal damage

[eager carbon]

Huh

[turbid dome]

The intuitive thought for a lot of people is I get DR when under the threshold

But the hit putting me under doesn’t get the Dr

[south zephyr]

Which would make it useless, so why bother.

Is the thought of the unfamiliar

[halcyon yoke]

engi's right, we had someone in the rogue channel yesterday, who couldnt understand ET despite quoting himself how ET works

but still

doesnt mean they had to remove that defense tool from the pool

[woven temple]

yes, simplify it by removing noob trap affixes that were never worth taking

[eager carbon]

They didn't remove it?

[halcyon yoke]

what about making it worth to take if you invest in it?

options

[south zephyr]

They removed it from itemization, which does reduce pool clutter which is nice, but reduces player agency which sucks

Is basically the argument

Now balancing against how available it is via non-item sources might make up for that in my opinion, but that's a slightly different argument

[halcyon yoke]

guess it's not worth arguing over anyway
EHG made their decision

[south zephyr]

Yeah we also don't have the full picture

I've always had trouble scaling defenses in this game so it's kind of a moot point for me anyways 😅

[halcyon yoke]

mostly, invest in various layers instead of all-in on one

[south zephyr]

Don't think I've ever broken 2.5k HP or 4k ward

[south zephyr]

I mean I do, just bad luck on itemization for health usually

Maybe this season I'll finally get my T7 hybrid health drops

[uneven gorge]

Honestly same, I cap my resists, get a lil armour, then look at my 1.2k health and cry

[turbid dome]

Have you played void knight?

[south zephyr]

Res cap + 60% endurance + 2.2k HP always feels one step from death on 200+ corruption

[south zephyr]

Only to like 70 previously

[turbid dome]

Ah

[south zephyr]

Hence being psyched to league start it

[turbid dome]

Vk has it easily getting a fat life pool given the focus on vitality

[south zephyr]

I tried to make a VC + ES build in 1.0

It was rather sad at the time

[turbid dome]

But basically my goal in early monos is to craft something like this

Ignoring the increased echo damage affix, it just just a crap ton of health

[south zephyr]

Hmmm yeah that looks good, swap the echo for +Skill if I can

[turbid dome]

That’s usually more ideal yeah

[south zephyr]

Especially since the build we're looking at won't have much damage bump from echoes

Unless we self cast dOrb of course

Which.... Perhaps

Summoning one at a time vs like Thorn totem 3+ will feel bad

[turbid dome]

Yeah this armor was for silly echo focused rive

[eager carbon]

You would most likely cast all orbs at start of echo and drag them with VR and let auto cast cover the expiring ones

[south zephyr]

Ooooh that might work actually

Decent QoL

[eager carbon]

My only question is will the auto cast come with the downside of cast animation, which will be quite dumb

[south zephyr]

No animation for autocast

Confirmed by Mike

Not technically instant cast though

[turbid dome]

No animation but I think it still takes the normal cast time

[eager carbon]

Thats actually good

[south zephyr]

I mean it doesn't interrupt other casts so it shouldn't matter?

[eager carbon]

Id hate to stutter step mid boss fight cause dorb cast

[turbid dome]

Yeah it shouldn’t do that

Trigger -> cast time -> dorb appears

Not, trigger -> you stop and cast it -> dorb appears

[south zephyr]

0.65 second cast time I think, not trivial

Also base duration is 10 seconds so we're gonna need a lot of CDR for autocast orbit

Ah wait Hollow has +40% by default

So we're only losing 1 second base

Errr maybe 3 seconds

[turbid dome]

Maybe a champ affix will be void spell cooldown

🙏

[south zephyr]

Okay so 7 seconds with hollow+orbit since 1.4*0.5

Almost certainly don't want to spec the CDR nodes in tree due to less duration multipliers on them

Oh, hmmm but this is all pre-rework some nodes might have changed substantially

Especially given the whole new DoT base functionality

[halcyon yoke]

you could get -40% duration for 90 cooldown recovery speed

[covert phoenix]

not worth it

[south zephyr]

4.4 second duration feels like a problem

[turbid dome]

Just yoink the cooldown recovery speed affixes on boots

[halcyon yoke]

what was the build for already?

orbiting or turret?

[south zephyr]

Orbiting dOrb turrets

[turbid dome]

Yeah we’re planning to use both

[south zephyr]

Trying to guesstimate if it will work

Not particularly hopeful ATM

Hmmm maybe do void eruption instead of turret actually

Less Duration really hurts

For turrets

[waxen nymph]

Problem with turrets imo, there are very few More Dmg applicable

[south zephyr]

Void pen and orbit basically, which yeah not much

Well I'll cross my fingers and hope the patch notes include a slew of buffs lol

[halcyon yoke]

void eruption can miss your targets way more easily than the turrets

[south zephyr]

Yeah but if you're putting out like 300% more explosions than projectiles it probably evens out

[covert phoenix]

hum

[halcyon yoke]

possible, idk
was more evaluating the potential frustration of how spells aim

[covert phoenix]

6 turrets

it's not enough?

[south zephyr]

You thinking the charge node?

[covert phoenix]

not sure which one you are talking about

[south zephyr]

Not sure how charges are implemented tbh, if they regenerate all charges on CD that'd work with autocast, otherwise you're getting like 2-3 turrets out at once I think

[covert phoenix]

but no, I was just looking at 12.4s duration and ~2s CD

that's an average of 4 turret hits per second

[south zephyr]

Hmmm can we actually get 100% CDR without tree nodes?

[covert phoenix]

you guys forgot a change

[south zephyr]

Ooooooh okay VR is a build enabler here

[halcyon yoke]

you can, if you invest your gear on cdr

[covert phoenix]

hollow orb + catalysm is 8,4s duration and you can pick the 90% cdr behind cataclysm

+4s from reversal

for 12.4s duration

[south zephyr]

And VR teleports them to you so no need to spec orbit

[covert phoenix]

well, in practice a bit less than 12,4s duration, since the youngest ones will last for a lower duration

but it's still fairly decent imo

[waxen nymph]

The orbit More Dmg is specific to the Orbit hit, shooting orb don't get it

[halcyon yoke]

32% cdr on belt+boots
10% helm
12% gloves
10% on rings
so 106% total is possible from gear
+30% from anomaly

[south zephyr]

There's 2 nodes, one is for all damage

Including shot

[covert phoenix]

you are losing 50% duration, absolutely not worth it

[south zephyr]

Yeah, sadge WP orbit turrets is DoA I think

[waxen nymph]

This garbo?

[south zephyr]

Is technically more yeah -_-

Honestly with autocast not triggering echos self cast +VR is almost certainly the best option

[turbid dome]

I like that for orbiting turret orbs

[south zephyr]

Just requires a lot more input

[halcyon yoke]

or num lock

[south zephyr]

Well, yeah

[halcyon yoke]

but ya, it feels really bad that auto DOrb cant echo

[waxen nymph]

Is that confirmed?

[halcyon yoke]

So not 100% confirmed, as Mike wasnt sure
But i'm not going to bug him to look into it
Even if it's pretty important for DOrb builds

Feel free to bump that and see if you can get him to answer for sure 😉

[waxen nymph]

I am trying to think of a similar situation that would already exist in game

[halcyon yoke]

i can think of enchant weapon, from spellblade

but it cant echo anyway

idk if there're more "auto" stuff currently

[scenic gyro]

i'm procrastinating sorting my stash tabs in legacy :c

[south zephyr]

NGL I have a deep and permanent temptation to just delete every legacy character I have to clear it all out

[waxen nymph]

Just start the new season

[turbid dome]

real

I've never opened my stash in standard legacy

[scenic gyro]

huuuuh, i thought there would be more legacy enjoyers

[south zephyr]

It feels like an email inbox with 4000 unread emails

[turbid dome]

nah

love me seasons

also yeah I don't want to deal with my 124389124891 unread emails

[worn garden]

Legacy ruins the fun for me, I always like to start things fresh

[inland quarry]

i usually test things out in legacy with pre-existing characters to perfect the mechanics before creating character in new league

shield rush for example, i'm going to spam the shit out of it in legacy upon new patch to see if it has been fixed. it not, i will change my build in new league.

[uneven gorge]

Opposite for me. Never liked the idea of losing everything I worked for every few months

[scenic gyro]

if i played mg then season 100%, i dont see much of a point for cof personally

mostly because im greedy for all the new stuff

[analog steppe]

having close to perfect items at season start is just a 1-way ticket to being bored of a character fast

[scenic gyro]

thats not happening for me with the backlog of builds i wanna try 😄

[uneven gorge]

The only ones that get perfect items within the first 2 weeks are MG players. Season start MG players have better gear than any of my legacy characters 😔

[scenic gyro]

perfec tgear is for build planners, realisticly you can aim for 90% and achieve that

[orchid flint]

Is anyone else excited for the volatile reversal void bolts smite shenanigans too or wut?

[orchid flint]

The way I think about it is I use a new season to play a new build

[polar spire]

cant wait for those patch notes, and for dammitt to update lastepochtools

im feelin multistrike forge guard for season start

i WAS going to go werebear, because werebear is an ultrasafe season start farmer, but that new multistrike node lookin yummy, especially with 2h + shield

@willow wedge is any of the new stuff shown so far up on letools, or are you waiting for patch notes to do it all at once?

[winter copper]

no.

[woven temple]

lol what else did we expect

[polar spire]

I wonder if volatile mana refund is gone then

[covert phoenix]

yes

[polar spire]

Like are judgement nukers just completely gone with this now

[winter copper]

judgemnt giga op now tho

[polar spire]

Sounds like they might needa revamp judgement if volatile reversal is changed

[winter copper]

they did

[polar spire]

How giga op we talking? Like pre-both nerfs when i was pulling out 80 mill crits?

[winter copper]

they made it consume only 20% of mana with same dmg buff as now

so u can spam it with same dmg

as long as u have great mana generator

[polar spire]

This is the problem

[covert phoenix]

how is it a problem

[polar spire]

If you have a mana pool of like 800, thats 5 judgements and then good luck getting back to 800

[woven temple]

not even close

[winter copper]

just use rive ez mana 😏

[polar spire]

Judgements prob dead to me now

[winter copper]

200+mana per second

😏

[polar spire]

Which is fine, forge strikes my main build anyways

[polar spire]

Sounds like still 10 mill crits, but easier to work with

Cant do jav dash and smite tele with vr though

Sadge

[scenic gyro]

will that change the bolts from passive tree to void as well?

[winter copper]

idk from what they showed all judgment builds are much better

[polar spire]

I actually didnt see anything on judgement, unless i read the wrong article

Or im blind and skipped over it

[winter copper]

it was in previous leaks

iirc karv showed on stream

it went from 1% more dmg from 2 mana to 2% more dmg from 1 mana

🙂

[polar spire]

God

Aura players will prob like it more

[echo fractal]

Hey
So I played holy trail pally ages ago and I'm gonna go for it again in the next patch. Looking at the maxroll guide they use sceptre + bastion. I ran with the unique Judicator. Is sceptre + shield straight up better or is the judicator still good??

[woven temple]

still not back to 3% per mana

[winter copper]

no falconer bs ty

💀

[woven temple]

bro this is how pious offering was in its glory days

falconer wasn't even a concept back then

[winter copper]

yes and it was broken

[woven temple]

just some guy played lol and said yeah quinn is cool gotta rip it off

[woven temple]

nothing wrong with oneshotting julra

especially in context of their later balance and design decisions

it was also back when they thought that the 2100% more or how much was it on mana stacking SO was perfectly fine

selective balancing at its finest

[winter copper]

kekw

ehg balancing

[polar spire]

Do we know if smelters kept the axe volley?

It didnt make sense at all for smelters, but i'll be so happy if it stayed

[turbid dome]

i hope it stays

[south zephyr]

You know what FG needs, a node on lunge that causes your FW to lunge with you (and preferably then shotgun outwards for a nice big minion AoE hit)

[sweet hazel]

That's a super fitting decoration, lol.

[halcyon yoke]

25%, no?

[halcyon yoke]

25% of current mana, not overall mana

[polar spire]

when the damage is based off how much is consumed, that doesnt make it any better lol

[halcyon yoke]

not saying it makes it better, just how it is

you need a big generator with it regardless

[polar spire]

yea, just feels sad that VR is gone for that now

[inland quarry]

how does the new judgement work? for example if it was 1% more dmg per 2mp consumed, but up to 100% mp to be consumed.......is it now 5% more dmg per 2mp consumed, but now only max 25% of mana per consumed? or is it still only 1% more dmg per 2mp consumed, but only a max of 25% consumed?

[alpine canopy]

Closest we have is VC loses its ability to echo when you make it instant cast

[inland quarry]

if it's the latter, it sucks balls

[polar spire]

2% per 1 mana, 25% current

[alpine canopy]

I haven't read the thing, but assuming it's the same as they teased earlier, it's the same damage buff as current, but consumes way less mana to do it

[inland quarry]

ok i guess that's doable then

[polar spire]

so the same damage as 5/5 but the mana consumption of 1/5 on pious?

[alpine canopy]

imma just read it real quick to make sure they didn't change the numbers

oh they didn't mention judgment change in the new post

[polar spire]

i like that new multistrike node at least, gives a reason to actually take the extra sword idols

[alpine canopy]

then yes, close to this, but it consumes 25% mana instead of 20%

so functionally the only change is that it consumes 25% mana instead of 100% mana

[polar spire]

aura builds will be fine, can just pop and run along as mana gens naturally

but slammers actually have to.... do work now

[inland quarry]

maybe that 200% increased mana regen for 4 seconds when using judgement node will actually be meaningful

[polar spire]

so base 8, to 24, for 4s?

hmmmm

[alpine canopy]

Actually true, never thought I'd see the day lol

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

only 64 mana gain on it though

[turbid dome]

The node lives!

[polar spire]

trading DAMAGE for mana sustain, feelsbadman

[alpine canopy]

the other implication is that the node that removes your cooldown is a lot stronger

since it makes your mana cost count toward the mana spent, and mana spent is giving you 4x the multiplier compared to before

[polar spire]

Add in self flagellation so you can use your own health pool in place of mana

[inland quarry]

is there a self flagellation node?

[polar spire]

no

but that'd be neat

[inland quarry]

😦

[polar spire]

if you run out of mana, you use your health instead

paladins are great at self healing

[halcyon yoke]

but since extra damage is based on mana consumed, you always want to stay high on mana

[polar spire]

yea it'd just change it to health

so fat health pool

which paladins are also good at

[robust lake]

I'm so building a 8k hp pally this season xD

[polar spire]

have done it, you can get up to 9k

in fact i think paladins can get up to the 2nd highest health, behind werebears at 11/12k

[robust lake]

not without losing half of your functional damage xD think 7900 is cap rn

[halcyon yoke]

while all you need is a mana guide focus friend to follow you around ;p

[polar spire]

THATS TRUE

alright time to hire 3 people hourly to funnel me mana so i can play judgement

[robust lake]

xD

[polar spire]

maybe i can use that one egirl.gg website

and just do it that way

[robust lake]

[turbid dome]

[lament umbra]

is there a brutality like build for Warpath?

mainly seeing dot builds

[polar spire]

wdym by brutality?

like hard hitter?

hard hitter still uses dots, but in its case, vk warpath uses time rot stacks to do massively more damage per stack

[turbid dome]

I'm guessing brutality = poe1 melee hit, pure bonk

[lament umbra]

yeah basically pure bonk

aww thats disappointing

[turbid dome]

don't think of time rot on that build as a dot doing damage and more so as a debuff saying "This enemy takes more damage per stack of this debuff"

like vulnerability in poe but its not a curse and you just apply it when you smack people

[south zephyr]

Hmmm with the new 2H+Shield node sword catcher might go crazy hard on forge guard

[polar spire]

sword catchers + skills goes hard for everything

also

ALSO

ALSSSSOOOO

sword catcher has benefits with frenzy

VR has frenzy now

you can VR in, obliterate with frenzy sword catcher, and VR out

[spring pollen]

Vengeance also can grant frenzy now

[quaint current]

kinda excited about the autobomber void orb

[polar spire]

multistrike with its additional swords hit same target, but also add crit forge strike to the multistrike combo, vr in, hyper attack, vr out

multistrikes gonna be the new boss killer

[inland quarry]

as it should be. it requires one to be within melee range.

[polar spire]

that used to be judgement, boss killers dont match for range

though

[inland quarry]

its hard to work with now with the nerfs, there are better options

[polar spire]

bleed forge strike and abyssal echoes bleed pops can get bleed pops in the millions if you spec it right

and with the new changes and buffs coming in, i think the highest ive ever done was an 8 mill bleed pop, and i'll bet that can go higher now

[inland quarry]

dyaum, u gotta get me a build planner for that

[polar spire]

its a build ive reiterated like 20 times now, its my all time fave out of the like 300 builds ive made over the last 5 years

[inland quarry]

i've tried bleed many times and it never goes well

[polar spire]

ima have to change it up again for this new season

you can either go pure forge strike, which, prob not a thing anymore without vr, or multistrike fs, which with the change to allow 2h + shield, may actually be far superior

[robust lake]

lil home-baked pally coming through :D hopefully this survives tomorrows reckoning

[inland quarry]

thats way more ehp than i can build lol

[polar spire]

cause you would take the talent that grants mana on hit with multistrike,vengeance, smite and all that, and then multistrike had a node where like every 4th hit used forge strike, and that forge strike was also off cd, so you could weave in a bonus on cd forgestrike, and with the changes to multistrike, i can see it all meshing super well

[inland quarry]

i'm usually stuck at around 15k ehp and 8k ehp for dots with realistic gear

[halcyon yoke]

@covert phoenix your echo time rot build might be back into business
i was doing stuff while listening content creators reading the sentinel rework post
and Bina (pretty sure he's in the CT) said that there is a mechanic that makes is so that if the new stack that would be applied is less damage that existing stacks, it wont replace them. meaning that this comment #🔱┃sentinel message is likely wrong, and that your echo time rot idea could be the way to go, with massive time rot thanks to huge bonuses on echoes, to get the best possible 12 stacks
also, side note, you took 55 as base damage for time rot, but we know it's buffed to 60 in season 2, as indicated on the ehg post
in case you lost it, this was your echo time rot planner : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOGV47JB

[polar spire]

i cant tell what you're doing here to get that much phys ehp, highest ive ever gotten was 180k across the board on rogue with dusk shroud stacking + mountain boots

[inland quarry]

even with 90% armor mitigation the most i can get is 20k ehp lol. what is your secret?

[halcyon yoke]

armor mitigation is capped at 85%, so what's your secret to get to 90% 😂

[inland quarry]

well i just assumed it gets to 90 because it stops at 85

but at 85 the chart shows that i'm only around 20k ehp

[halcyon yoke]

and if you want more that 20k, you can stack armor, then 100% block + block effectiveness, then various extra DR, and ofc high HP on top of it

[inland quarry]

i usually run out of room for resistances and hp when i get endurance and armor on my gear

and with the double hp idol nerfs its probably going to suck more

[lilac sparrow]

How do I survive if I use catalyst

[robust lake]

thats just 15k armor with 90% block and 65% block eff with all pala buffs active on ~7k hp pool, can technically bump it to around 150k with all perfect LPs yea but aint no way I get all that in the actual game xD

[lilac sparrow]

Vk lacks movement skill

[inland quarry]

damn, 7k hp pool? 15k armor? u gotta show me ur build planner

[halcyon yoke]

and for veritas screenshot, either he'll share the planner to show you what he's doing, or it's some crappy defensive-only stuff with ultra-specific conditions, like ticking rebuke to cheese the numbers

[inland quarry]

i can't even get 7khp pool when i sacrifice all defense affixes

[robust lake]

:D

[inland quarry]

so you're saying he's trash that lies to people

people like him makes ehg think 'oh sentinel needs nerf' when in reality whatever he's showing is realistically impossible

[halcyon yoke]

50-50
but when you dont show a planner, you know what it means

[polar spire]

it'd take you roughly 100 hours to get a T7 on every slot, so if you do wanna add 1 T7 per slot, go ahead, ive gotten to that in a season

[robust lake]

ere u go, tweaked* aspirational planner ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMaq9y3B :D can always check my profile too, achieved around 60% of that in actual game so far, big plans for 1.2, hope to bump it to at least 75%

[inland quarry]

well shit, don't say 'my build can do xxx' when it hasn't done so yet IRL.

[halcyon yoke]

first thing i can see, you had holy aura as active and not passive, that's already 15k ehp down the drain

[alpine canopy]

lol aspirational

[polar spire]

thats the point of build theorycraft

which i love doing

[alpine canopy]

but at the same time no idols

[robust lake]

it can, if u remove half of that its still pretty good :D

[halcyon yoke]

perfect 2LP RR

yes

[polar spire]

i like cranking out crap but fun builds, that i may not do myself, but others might do

[halcyon yoke]

and settings as "max"

[robust lake]

can u even paste idols in it, last time I checked u could only do it with select few

[inland quarry]

so sentinel can THEORETICALLY be op. ok gotcha >_>

big wow.

[polar spire]

like jaspers searing pride rive/hh, which i didnt do myself, but a buddy took it last season and went to 2500c with it

[robust lake]

ye still doesnt allow class specifics it seems :/

[alpine canopy]

You can put in any idols

[halcyon yoke]

@robust lake you claimed 160k ehp
turning holy aura to passive and settings to average instead of max is already
down to 96k
do we really need to analyze what other bullshit you pulled to reach high numbers?

[alpine canopy]

You have to click like you're placing the top-left of the idol in the square you click

[robust lake]

145k with passive aura, idk what else u disabled :D

[polar spire]

i can see it honestly if the build does quin zdps

[halcyon yoke]

put average settings, not max

[polar spire]

like my rogue tank gets above that, but its a quin zdps boss tank

[alpine canopy]

Come on, look the null portent isn't even 4x T7, it's only 3x T7 and a T6, way more achievable

[halcyon yoke]

and you have 4 LP nihilis...

[robust lake]

avg rolls for avg ppl :D

[polar spire]

hey it does say almost

[halcyon yoke]

guess i can block you now, that will avoid looking at bullshit planner when we get the patch notes in 2 days

[inland quarry]

talk to me again when you achieve those numbers in game lol

[robust lake]

feel free to :D idc

[halcyon yoke]

told ya it was fake-crappy stuff 😉

[polar spire]

you should do more of what i do, which is setting up a build, but keeping it within the realm of "this would take at least 100 hours to pull off" which is most of my builds

[inland quarry]

for my builds, all my uniques will have only one t7 affix in the planner because now we can choose.

[robust lake]

planners are there to plan yk, strive to be better etc

[inland quarry]

no more no less

[polar spire]

yea i usually crank out like 20 builds, 1 t7 per slot, and then i pick a build i like, and make an all yellows variant for leveling

[robust lake]

this is my actual ig pala that I've put ~30hrs into ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDKLENwA, with 100 you can achieve way more :D

[halcyon yoke]

fyi, Bina said this was false, and it keeps the 12 dots having the most damage remaining

[inland quarry]

u got a null portent 30 hours in?

[robust lake]

yea, MG power ;)

[inland quarry]

i never done mg, must be cheap to get

[alpine canopy]

An important part of making good plans is setting achievable goals

[robust lake]

had couple other 2lps stashed too idk they turned out to be worse

that one in particular was 500k gold I think

[polar spire]

this, i remember when i was very first starting out with lastepochtools, making all my slots 4xt7

LMAO

[alpine canopy]

Heh

It's fun to do sometimes of course, too, just to see what can happen

[robust lake]

yeah double T6/T7 is pretty achievable tho so all g

[polar spire]

and because of my work the last 3 years letting me do whatever i wanted at work, ive crunched a good 1500+ hours into lastepochtools as well

[winter copper]

well thats not the first time we had conversation like this

[robust lake]

fat lewt quad idols let me in

[polar spire]

those ones are stupid rare though, achievable yes, wouldnt say "pretty" achievable

[inland quarry]

i'm sure he can do it in 30 hours from lvl 1

[polar spire]

double t6 ive seen more than a t7 with a t6, ive seen a double t7 maybe twice

[winter copper]

that idol setup is not optimal too

x.x

u need 4x 3x1 and 2 2x2

[robust lake]

ya I probably dropped that little guy to go play poe or something :/

[alpine canopy]

and all 2x T7 idols of course

[robust lake]

not this time though lmao

[polar spire]

if yall want a fun build idea

notice that the bleed chance has a cap but the duration does not
i remember someone like a year or 2 ago making a bleed build with this on sentinel that was 1 shotting bosses

[inland quarry]

bleed chance has a cap?

[robust lake]

on this relic it does

[polar spire]

on this item for the stacking

but the duration doesnt

i remember someone getting 10's of thousands of ward, eating it all for this item, bleeding a boss, then abyssal popping it

[robust lake]

adding double the stacks is interesting but does it really compete with valdyrs :p

[polar spire]

valdyrs is a relic

this is an off hand catalyst

[inland quarry]

so....20% increased bleed duration max?

[robust lake]

ohh this one is a shield

[polar spire]

bleeds duration is what, 3s? i cant remember, but they were bringing it up to like 45-60s

and then 1 tapping bosses

and the cata never got nerfed, prob because no one plays it like that

just that 1 guy did

i could see maybe, a phys resist stacker with the rebuke amulet pulling that off and then having the cata eat the ward and bleed nuke something

[robust lake]

with most basic bleed setup nothing lives beyond 30 seconds while being dotted up anyway :p cept for abby maybe

[polar spire]

the bleed duration doesnt have a cap

[robust lake]

u should have 350dmg per bleed at basic rare-exalted gear already, something living for one minute with that is in quad digit corruption range

[polar spire]

if its 13 ward per stack, 20% would only be 260 ward

you can get WAY more than 260 ward

[inland quarry]

getting more than 2600 ward on a sentinel would be kinda hard

[polar spire]

thats true, ive only been up into 2000 twice, and 1000+ a few times, 500 is roughly the end game, anything 4 digit or higher is just personal challenge

i make all my builds for 500

[robust lake]

yh same, smite spam with heart gets you what like 1700 ward I guess

haven't touched me smiter since beta hmmge

[polar spire]

lightning smites always a good time

i remember a guy getting double 3lp aurelis and asking for lightning smite build ideas

[robust lake]

before bastion nerf 😢 fun times

tbf getting ~70str is still feasible for bastion memes, slap effectiveness on it and ure good

[inland quarry]

i'm afraid to go mg faction because every single season someone manages to dupe stuff and shit on the market

[polar spire]

THIS LMAO

i always want to, but ehg's history now with mg tells me i shouldnt

my super dumb builds would come online so much faster if i did mg though

[alpine canopy]

Sounds like a job for Torkrefin's

[polar spire]

that was my rogue tanks weapon for a while

[inland quarry]

this is my game plan: go MG for season 2. But if someone manages to dupe shit and shit son the market, i'm going to legacy league

[polar spire]

then i swapped to those unique chest daggers that have dusk shroud chance on them found in the campaign

[alpine canopy]

I used it for lethal mirage 😂

[polar spire]

makes sense

[orchid flint]

Do we know what’s the cost of respecting mastery in 1.2?

[inland quarry]

no idea. my guess is that you would at least have to de-spec at least to the halfway point of your current mastery.

[waxen nymph]

I think they said at lvl 80 ish it will cost around 500k gold

[orchid flint]

That’s not bad

[grand hound]

So they fixed Reen so it procs off "melee hit" and now works with Warpath. ...that's the same issue that HH had with Warpath...🤞

[waxen nymph]

Don't know if I would call it fixed, but yeah they changed it. And for HH it was very deliberate on their part.

Maybe they have changed their mind

But that will come with a cap

[halcyon yoke]

they updated a unique, not changed a mechanic
shouldnt have an impact on anything else

[inland quarry]

not sure how good eye of rean would be since you also have to scale crit

which warpath and HH don't have any crit nods

[polar spire]

Oof that sounds higher

Massively higher

Lvl 100 was like 250k

[waxen nymph]

?

[polar spire]

Though that was before seasons, if they bumped it up post seasons to double that, thats an ouchies

[halcyon yoke]

warpath is giving you 10% base crit, so it has crit synergy

[waxen nymph]

We are talking about mastery change

No just the passive

[polar spire]

Oh for a full mastery swap?

I completely forgot that was a new thing

I still remember for so long all the people saying they would never add that

[waxen nymph]

And that's global too

Not just Warpath

[inland quarry]

wait what? global base crit chance for everything is now 10%?

[waxen nymph]

...

Warpath has a node that gives 10% Flat Crit while channeling

[polar spire]

Like me, cheng also comes into convos late and misses context

[waxen nymph]

If you are wielding a sword

[inland quarry]

ohh

[halcyon yoke]

and, oh surprise, reen is a sword ;p

[inland quarry]

that's like 5 points tho. forget the dmg nodes lol.

[halcyon yoke]

well, you're getting 150% melee crit multi and 300% fire dot dmg from reen

that aint coming for free

[quiet hearth]

I am once again asking for an in skill fire conversion for ravaging aura

[polar spire]

Well since autobomber is instant now while moving, welcome to warpath autobombers to give orb more crit

[waxen nymph]

Because 5 pts for 10% Flat Crit and 60% Pen is not good enough

[orchid flint]

we love autobombers

[halcyon yoke]

sadly the auto DOrb cant echo, so idk how good it will end up being

[alpine canopy]

It'll likely be fine tbh

[orchid flint]

so the last time i played this game i played the electric smite healing hands and that was a lot of fun. is electric javelin op as well?

[alpine canopy]

Can't echo instant VC either, so no need to invest in echoes

Unless they fix that bug lol

[polar spire]

The devs, probably: we cant stop people numlock autocasting, so we'll just give in

[halcyon yoke]

well, it's worst than numlock, unless you cant numlock, like with warpath

[robust lake]

What next :D We can't track pixel bots so we'll allow them be :DD

[polar spire]

Last epoch needs fishing

[alpine canopy]

Well, not worse exactly, it's a trade. You get instant cast.

[alpine canopy]

That is basically what they've said. Not verbatim mind you, but same concept.

[polar spire]

wonder how much player influence it took for them to give in to allow mastery respeccing

im not for or against it

but i wonder what all went down for them to change their mind on it

[quiet hearth]

Constant for years at this point, and watching GGG bang their head against that problem for poe2 likely had a big influence

[polar spire]

same with allowing FG to equip a 2h with a shield

[alpine canopy]

I have no idea, I bet it was always an internal dissent thing

[polar spire]

i remember almost buying the 1000$ pack to get titans grip into the game (dual wield 2h) and was shutdown saying i was the 4th person to ask

and lo and behold

it gets added for FG, but 2h and shield

[alpine canopy]

Still no dual 2h tbf

[polar spire]

yea of course

but that 2h and shield middleground, even if locked to 1 spec

wonder what got them to change their mind and allow it

[quiet hearth]

That'll be in the 4th primalist mastery

[polar spire]

god imagine

gorilla spec

[alpine canopy]

EQ with dual Bhuldar's lol

[quiet hearth]

dw EQ Bhuldars with it being a fire mastery

[polar spire]

double leviathans and pretending you're guts with 2 dragonslayers

[alpine canopy]

I know they wouldn't stack, but this is a fantasy anyway

[polar spire]

double sword catc- ok yea i see why this wouldnt work

lemme just casually take every single node in a tree with double sword catcher

[alpine canopy]

😂

[polar spire]

i remember looking at the math, and forge strike can get like 39 or 40 points

so double sword catcher would be insane

[alpine canopy]

Elemental nova levels, but it's every melee skill

[polar spire]

actually

[quiet hearth]

Excuse me while I WP with two world spltters

Im also taking an extreme amount of copium that we will have an item or node that lets us move during smelters

[turbid dome]

?

[quiet hearth]

We're talking about if you could DW two 2h weapons

[turbid dome]

ah

I gotta not walk in late

[alpine canopy]

If you come in late, it better be warpathing

[quiet hearth]

have there been any changes to abyssal echoes? I dont know if I've seen anything

[polar spire]

give it a few years, we'll get a focus mobility unique for smelters

no wait

NO WAIT

FOR REBUKE

AND YOU CAN CHANNEL REBUKE 24/7

warbuke

wait if we're getting auto sigils and auto orb, can i make a rebuke 2h + shield build

[robust lake]

You can channel rebuke uninterrupted. It reduces the damage taken by 25% now. 😂

[polar spire]

wait HUH!?

did rebuke get nerfed!?

[robust lake]

not... yet

[polar spire]

oh you were joking alongside me

nvm whew

[quiet hearth]

you could nerf rebuke into half numbers and I think it would still be one of the best defensive skills in the game

[polar spire]

rebukes that skill you throw onto your bar when you struggle with 1 mechanic from 1 boss

and then all of a sudden the boss is a breeze

[robust lake]

psure lagon still smokes me with his lazer on anything higher than aberroth corruption even with it 🤣 need to check it out

wish it worked like vaal ms in poe, one and done, add conditionals to it w/e

[lilac sparrow]

So rebuke is a necessary skill to survive?

[robust lake]

it helps, situationally

[little temple]

Naa, I personally never used it and I only ever die once or twice per mono

[turbid dome]

sorry went out for another spin around

[polar spire]

Naaa, if you're pushing mono's or pretty much any content and havent upgraded gear in a while, and a single boss mechanic keeps annihilating you, just throw on rebuke for that mechanic to get past it

Its your "get out of jail free" card

You can eat t4 julra nukes with it, to explain how strong it is

But whenever someone pops in here that is struggling on a boss, tell them to use rebuke and you'll completely solve their problem

[slim spire]

I just reached harbingers for the first time. However I have a bit of an issue killing my 2nd harbinger. It's the spinning type one, and I have maxed res and 1k health approx (lvl 80 or so) as a forgemaster fw build, with apathy's maw, 2 phantom grips and good enough equipment. I got 2 shotted by its spells tho. Is my level too low, or this difficulty is just expected & I need to git gud?

[umbral breach]

Can unbalanced scale target or hit same monster that i'm targeting with smite? Or is it just targeting different monsters around smite prime target?

[lilac sparrow]

Increase your hp more

1k health is no different than getting one shotted by anything

[little temple]

Im pretty sure its only other targets, quite easy to test though!

[slim spire]

Can you recommend some target equipment please?

[umbral breach]

Now i wonder if is it worth 4 points. Could help with clear, but I'm planning to use lightning javelin - stacking electrify

[lilac sparrow]

Idk about fg and paladin tbh but on my VK I just slapped in exalts with t6 or t7 health

Hybrid health and health %

Then increase my vitality stats

[robust lake]

Titan's Heart is besto friendo to all leech builds too

[cobalt blade]

Posted this yesterday but gonna put here too

[slim spire]

Thanks a lot guys. Titan heart seems so good when I look at it now.

[slim spire]

Does potion heal scale with regen bonus?

[cobalt blade]

No

[little temple]

its absolutely worth it, alone for the feeling of it. But beware of lags. I have a high end PC and whenever I throw a javelin in a bigger group my game stutters a lot

[waxen nymph]

It's only for extra target

[lilac sparrow]

If I play hammer throw for disintegrating aura

Do I need as much hammer and their aura stacks together or just one orbit

[woven temple]

you pick both orbit and increased area if you have the slots

[wicked monolith]

Does the slower projectile speed help with disintegrating aura at all?

[waxen nymph]

Yes because they tick for longer on the target

[woven temple]

it helps if you don't have enough hammers out to create 100% area coverage

[lilac sparrow]

How about aspd for throw

[woven temple]

more hammers out = more damage

[waxen nymph]

Dammit the hero

[wicked monolith]

Good to know. This patch can't come fast enough. I've been playing disintegrating aura on a paladin the last week or so waiting for mastery respec lol

[simple grotto]

anywhere to find the javelin reworked nodes? I wanna check them out

[waxen nymph]

Check in the channel

Here

I have posted them

Some of them might be pinned

[simple grotto]

I cant find them. I tried everything I could lol. ctrl+f from: pvt.vlad has: image and a bunch of other things, oh well.

I'll just wait patiently for patch notes I suppose

[little temple]

The only javelin change I find is the reduced mana cost of siege barrage

Btw, javelin already feels pretty fine to me. Im playing forge guard sierpins fractal javelin and the damage is really nice in low empowered monos. I wonder what a powerhouse it will be in season 2

[junior wren]

javelin, here https://youtu.be/JwFHzzz6zBE?t=3637

[junior wren]

from memory... higher damage effectiveness, % more lightning damage, barrage mana cost, barrage drops more javelins, new physical shred node scaling with dex

oh and better mana cost reduction node placement