🔱┃sentinel

[covert phoenix]

outside the imagined time rot chance, I just took the current tree and the current skills

3.5M dps

[gusty abyss]

I think you might want to consider the timerot set

[south zephyr]

Set shards really, but yeah that'll play a big role

75% pen is crazy

[gusty abyss]

It will work just fine as a sealed on sword and amulet, question is if you will want a shield or not

[covert phoenix]

you are losing the catalyst tho

[south zephyr]

36% more damage multiplier. Yes

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, but forgotten knight set sword has attack and cast speed on it

[covert phoenix]

it's the weapon

and it's unlikely to be the affix chosen

[gusty abyss]

That should make up for the loss of cast speed on the catalyst

you can just straight up use it as is xD

[covert phoenix]

na, the sword set is a huge dps loss

[south zephyr]

Cast speed is only useful if you have corresponding increases to attack speed elsewhere

[gusty abyss]

But yeah, we need more info

[covert phoenix]

I do

[south zephyr]

I should probably read the build

[covert phoenix]

190% throwing speed, 195% cast speed, 194% melee attack speed

[south zephyr]

Dang, may want to check if you need bow speed to FYI

[covert phoenix]

lol

[south zephyr]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

It came up in my question to Mike earlier

[covert phoenix]

in case you were serious, read the effect

[south zephyr]

I did, the tooltip is at odds with the node description clarified by Mike

[covert phoenix]

no it doesn't

"it is difficult to scale all 3, it's a powerful effect"

ALL 3, not all 4

[south zephyr]

'attack and cast speed is typically shorthand for all 4 types of ability use speed, melee, throwing, bow and speed.'

Rotten Grip node: '1% per attack or cast speed'

Ahhh, okay missed the OR not AND.

You'll have to forgive the bug paranoia

Tbf that's exactly the sort of 'oopsie, we used the wrong definition' sort of bug you might expect

[halcyon yoke]

nerfed to 50% pen in season 2

[south zephyr]

I mean, fair

Sounds like Keyens got the numbers down to 'just scale speed as hard as possible' too

[covert phoenix]

Alright, V2 assuming the set: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDKLaGJA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,181, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 27% / 27% / 87% / 87% / 53% / 53%
▸ EHP: 2,329 / 1,574 / 1,574 / 2,986 / 2,329 / 1,909 / 1,909

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 236
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (33)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (3,001)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Javelin (20)
• Smite (20)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Vipertail

[woven temple]

it's the same paradigm as SD or say storm bolts for primalist - a powerful generic effect that triggers off various other skills and functionally turns building into a race to find the best way to apply it while ignoring all other thematic and gameplay elements

[covert phoenix]

????????????

the very opposite lol

[south zephyr]

Shield also gives some nice survivability which is a little bonus

[covert phoenix]

the simple fact SD doesn't scale with skill more damage is like night and day

why do you think I'm using multistrike

[halcyon yoke]

where was the first 50% penetration from?

50% from the set, and 50% from?

[covert phoenix]

20% void shred, 25% from glove

[halcyon yoke]

not surprised the dps is much higher using the set

[covert phoenix]

tbh

i'm using lEtools disabling the sets

so I missed it looking at items about slow and time rot

[gusty abyss]

The changes to the Woe passive is also 24 pen

[halcyon yoke]

true, and 50% slow, in case you missed it

[covert phoenix]

yeah, but i'm not going to make supposition about what went away and what stayed, so i'm using the current tree

with just an hypothesis on time rot % chance

the final build is very likely to be much stronger

it's just a proof of concept

the durability is not solved, etc

just wanted to see where it was

more or less

[halcyon yoke]

atm for time rot, i see:
30% from rot grip
20% time legion
56% from the set?
100% from idols
so 206% top

[buoyant sleet]

Made my own fire cyclone (or whatever it's called in this game I can't remember) build and I'm flying through the story

Shits fun as hell

[halcyon yoke]

warpath

[south zephyr]

Yeah durability will be tricky but if we leverage shield and the new VK tank passives that's a fair bit to work with. I assume smite basically solves clear/AoE?

[gusty abyss]

AE with nethercoating for another 45% if needed

[buoyant sleet]

Yeah that, it's so fun

Shooting light beams and axes everywhere while burning everything to death

[south zephyr]

If you get the smite sword have fun

Output like 10 smites a second with 100% crit chance ez

[buoyant sleet]

I got a legandary 2h sword drop the other day that was like all fire damage

Excited to use that at 58

[quiet hearth]

Im still holding out for a ravaging aura conversion in the tree to fire

[turbid dome]

I love the new woe so much

[buoyant sleet]

Are legendary and set drops completely random? Or do you need to farm specific areas for specific items?

I'm fairly new so idk this stuff yet lmao

[south zephyr]

Frees up affix slots so easy

[turbid dome]

plus its not specific aliment chance

[south zephyr]

Random but certain monos have nodes for specific types of unique and sets

[turbid dome]

so you can slap it on basically any vk

[pearl geyser]

you can target farm specific slots in empowered monos (sort of in regular monos but to a much lesser degree)

[south zephyr]

Also some items are boss only

[buoyant sleet]

Don't what that means but I'll look it up once I got endgame

What's max level even?

[south zephyr]

100

[pearl geyser]

100

[turbid dome]

100

lol

[buoyant sleet]

Oh shit okay

I'm 43

[south zephyr]

But it slows down a lot after 90

[buoyant sleet]

Thought I was close 🤣

[turbid dome]

you get more than 100 passive points tho cause of quests

[pearl geyser]

monos are endgame, youll hit them soon

[buoyant sleet]

Okay sick

Is that the equivalent of maps in Poe?

[turbid dome]

yea

[south zephyr]

Man I'm hyped for VK, echo Bois are back

[pearl geyser]

yes

[buoyant sleet]

Okay nice

[turbid dome]

basically think poe2 mapping but you don't need waystones

[buoyant sleet]

I have 1200+ hours in Poe, LE is a breath of fresh air

[south zephyr]

Yeah, also after patch lots of additional target farm methods

[turbid dome]

or deal with the towers

[buoyant sleet]

Couldn't get into Poe2 like I did with poe1

[turbid dome]

ye LE's is a lot better

[pearl geyser]

i really hope hammer smiter or shield smiter good

[turbid dome]

hammer throw is like the best sentinel build on a budget of 0

[pearl geyser]

the twitch smite skin looks neat

[buoyant sleet]

When's the release for the new patch? Also is it free or paid?

[turbid dome]

free

[buoyant sleet]

Sickk

[pearl geyser]

17th, patch nnotes 11th

[turbid dome]

would reccomend making a new character for the season tho

[buoyant sleet]

Glad I started now so I can figure everything out first

[turbid dome]

can we buy the new supporter pack yet

[buoyant sleet]

And then reset for the patch

[turbid dome]

I want the silly spider on a ball pet

[waxen nymph]

Always free
Only additional cost will be for cosmetics only

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah

[pearl geyser]

yeah capy pets gonna be an instant buy from me

[buoyant sleet]

Oh wait no swearing, whoops

[ebon heath]

Big bonk Hammer skin ♥️

[buoyant sleet]

Heck yeah, that's what I like to hear 🤣

[turbid dome]

the capy is in the cheapest pack I think

I love himb

tho the packs are 10$ at the cheapest to 60$ at the most expensive

very agreeable prices imo

[pearl geyser]

yah it is, no idea why, thing is dope. gonna replace my bees

[turbid dome]

gotta pick between my void wing and my nihilimus tho

;-;

[south zephyr]

Man I'm finally gonna have to make a twitch account. I can pass on player skins, but skill skins 😭

[turbid dome]

twitch an't that bad

[pearl geyser]

ill always run my og pangolin

[turbid dome]

real

love me traveler's backpack too

foools FOOOOLSS patch op

[spring pollen]

Dangit now I have to try a smelters wrath build too. List of builds to try out keeps getting longer

[south zephyr]

So far I think I'm most interested in VK either time-rot or Smite proc and seeing if Forge Guard Minion can be made more viable, at least for sentinel stuff

2h + Shield seems interesting for forged weapons and manifest armor even with the damage and attack speed malus

Oh and a forge strike ignite maximizer

That one's more dependent on sun forged shards carrying the right affixes over which they probably won't

[turbid dome]

I'm one hundred percent starting forgotten knight set time rot dot vk

[buoyant sleet]

When I played Poe I really enjoyed trap builds, like explosive trap and such. Anything similar to that in LE?

[pearl geyser]

falconer has explosive traps but most people turn them into a bow attack

[turbid dome]

yeah rogue is the only person with traps

[buoyant sleet]

Are they good?

[turbid dome]

I think ballistae can be made into a time bomb too?

[pearl geyser]

yeah you can actually make a balista trap build

[turbid dome]

this is LE, everything is viable in one way or another

[buoyant sleet]

Oh hell yeah, that's what I like to hear

[waxen nymph]

Used to be the build with the most Dmg

[sweet hazel]

This is the biggest fight, lol. I usually always rock my astral fox from the launch founder pack.

[turbid dome]

basically most builds can reach 300 corruption which is like the dev standard target

[waxen nymph]

Now it's just really good

[sweet hazel]

I think I'll be getting the biggest cosmetic pack this time around, though.

[turbid dome]

assuming its not a trolling build

[buoyant sleet]

The only issue if I've had with this game so far is that I seem to get a lot of stutter sometimes, and fps drops when fighting big groups of monsters, but that's pretty common in arpgs I think

[sweet hazel]

It's usually hardware/setting dependant. I have no issues in this or other ARPGs when it comes to fps drops or stutters, personally.

[lethal cove]

Anything that hits 2k corruption still?

[buoyant sleet]

Yeah I may just turn everything to very low to get the best performance. My PC is definitely falling behind in terms of performance these days lol

[turbid dome]

falconeer sorc and warlock i think?

[buoyant sleet]

My 1070 is starting to show it's age

[turbid dome]

oof

[sweet hazel]

Oh yeah that's definitely it, lol.

[lethal cove]

I think thats my end goal 2k

[sweet hazel]

That's like a 12 year old GPU at this point.

he's tired boss

[buoyant sleet]

GPUs are so pricey these days lmao, I'll use this one til it dies sadly

[pearl geyser]

if it aint broke dont fix it

[buoyant sleet]

Exactly

[sweet hazel]

You should check out the Intel B550.

Made to be a very cheap option without sacrificing performance or vram

think they run just shy of $200 rn

[gusty abyss]

Nvidia drivers have issues. Might want to revert to December version if you keep it updated

[buoyant sleet]

Interesting okay I'll look into jt

[halcyon yoke]

still playing on a 1060 🤐

[buoyant sleet]

Is that usd or cnd

Cause I'm Canadian and we're getting screwed over here 🤣

[sweet hazel]

hell even when I upgraded my last GPU I went from a 2060 to a 3060 lmao

[sweet hazel]

ah that is USD lol

[buoyant sleet]

So it's like 6000 Canadian probably

🤣🤣

[south zephyr]

IIRC they've been doing a lot of backend performance work for this patch too, which is good news

Maybe we'll finally be able to play Warlock at over 10 FPS

[sweet hazel]

1:1.42 ratio

so it'd be like $260ish

[junior wren]

I'm also on RX 580 so no worries 😄

[sweet hazel]

bruh

How you can even run Last Epoch is beyond me

that's straight from 2004

[buoyant sleet]

Nothing came up besides a motherboard when I looked up intelB550

[pearl geyser]

yeah i cant wait to spam the screen with crimson smites

[junior wren]

wdym RX 580 is minimum required gpu 😄

[sweet hazel]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/discrete-gpus/arc/desktop/b-series/overview.html

[junior wren]

I should be able to run it, and I am, LE runs pretty well. Some hiccups happen

[halcyon yoke]

i ran into the issue of not liking what's currently on the market
so i'm waiting

[sweet hazel]

I wnet with a 3060Ti, picked one up for only $320

back in like August of last year

[buoyant sleet]

Where'd you go for that?

[sweet hazel]

Amazon, lol.

[buoyant sleet]

Oh true lmao

[junior wren]

I'm more interested in what potato PCs run LE that are below the min spec 😄

[sweet hazel]

lmao

[buoyant sleet]

3060ti is $718 for me

[scenic gyro]

i ran le on my 12 year old hardware

[sweet hazel]

I recently had to upgrade my CPU and MOBO to play Monster Hunter Wilds.

it was bottlenecking on my old Ryzen 5 2600

[buoyant sleet]

I have the 2600x

[sweet hazel]

that's what I had lol

Upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700X3D

but then also had to up my mobo

didn't support gen4 architecture

my old one**

[buoyant sleet]

I just can't really afford upgrading these days, all the prices are insane

[halcyon yoke]

i dont know how to build a PC, nor i'm interested in learning
so i upgrade every 5-10 years
but since new games are crap, getting closer to the 10 yeas
i'd get something like 7800/9800x3d and 4070
however they killed the cpu market
so waiting for stuff to get back to normal

[sweet hazel]

Yeah, they are a bit up there.

[sweet hazel]

You can usually buy prebuilt desktops and upgrading gpu/cpu is insanely easy.

[pearl geyser]

lol

[peak hollow]

you can get a solid prebuilt with a 4070 for like 1500 euros

[sweet hazel]

I built my PCs myself though lol

[junior wren]

lol I also have 5 2600

[buoyant sleet]

I had a buddy offer me I think a 2070 for like $150, but I heard the 2000 series was pretty rough

[sweet hazel]

2070 is rough

2060s are really good

2050s are awful

by proxy the 3050 is also TERRIBLE

[buoyant sleet]

I'm buying a 5090ti screw it

[sweet hazel]

lmao

[south zephyr]

So 50% elemental damage taken as void and 20% less void damage. That's going to be really good tank yeah? That's what 4/8 damage types taking 10% or 20% less damage

[sweet hazel]

50 series are like $1.2k

[halcyon yoke]

i figured, might as well get a 7800x3d or 9800x3d so it lasts another 10 years
but these are impossible to find on prebuilt at a decent price

[buoyant sleet]

Oh I know it's so dumb

[junior wren]

buy AMD 😛

[sweet hazel]

nah

AMD doesn't make good gpus

Nvidia still king on that front

they do make the better CPUs though

Intel fell off

[buoyant sleet]

AMDs new GPUs are really good

In comparison

[junior wren]

yup

[sweet hazel]

if AMD figured out how to stop burnouts

then sure

but I hear they still burn out

lol

[buoyant sleet]

Linus was praising them

For what that matters

[sweet hazel]

There's been some good new competition though.

Intel's B series was a breath of fresh air

high vram, high performance cards for cheap

everyon was tired of seeing insane price cards

[buoyant sleet]

The Intel ones don't seem to be available much from what I can see

At least on Amazon

[halcyon yoke]

issue is more about finding good cpu than gpu

[buoyant sleet]

B580 good? @sweet hazel

[sweet hazel]

Yeah they're very good.

[buoyant sleet]

Just over 300

Not bad

Will def make a note of that one

[sweet hazel]

Yeah. AMD CPUs have taken the throne from Intel

Intel's last 13th and 14th gens had so many problems

[halcyon yoke]

i have no issue buying AMD
just that 7800x3d and 9800x3d are so ahead of the rest that it doesnt make me want to buy something else
but at the same time, they're impossible to find at a good price
so i just sit on my 2nd gen intel ;p

[south zephyr]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Time Rot goodness

Well maybe goodness

Not sure on which is more available

Man I love Mike

[covert phoenix]

nothing change?

Outside the fact your question was wrong, by definition global chance of X is also chance of X with Y skills

[south zephyr]

Sorry wrong @

[covert phoenix]

not sure what about it is easy, nothing in the game works like that

everything which is global also works as specific

no exception

[south zephyr]

Probably just me aggressively misunderstanding things again

Hmmmmm, annoying if he's right that it's a typo and it only looks at global, makes that idol mod less appealing

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Dangit

Shouldn't have said anything

And apparently I'm now correct, global won't apply to the scaling

[halcyon yoke]

Oo

Woe will not apply

@covert phoenix

looks like global isnt applying to time rot

[south zephyr]

Ah don't rub his nose in it, he was absolutely correct in his baseline assumption this is a big departure from prior design principles

[covert phoenix]

got deleted

[south zephyr]

Yep, and revised, apparently I'm confusing the devs

[halcyon yoke]

i'm not rubbing anything
if i were him, i'd want to know

[south zephyr]

Fair fair

[covert phoenix]

yes yes, no worries, it was very surprising

[analog steppe]

wording is difficult hehe, im sure its just hard to get wording exact if you arent looking at it directly

[covert phoenix]

honestly, if global wasn't applying, the idea was completely DoA

you just can't scale shit

[south zephyr]

Yeah honestly I just want to make sure it's all ironed out in advance so we don't end up with some weird wonky scaling that's not easily interpretable by players

[halcyon yoke]

i'm as interested as he is in making time rot works
we're all in the same team, talking about builds and synergies to come up with fun stuff to play

[south zephyr]

Ah okay won't read skill specific mods, that makes sense

[halcyon yoke]

ya that was expected

[covert phoenix]

I mean, there are some things I assumed

like

is it giving the damage multiplier to void cleave when it was both fire and void

and just assumed no

[ebon heath]

Nope doesn't work ^^

[covert phoenix]

because while it would give the bonus to a void skill, it's not in general

[south zephyr]

I don't think that would pass through as it's Melee chance to void rot

But I might be 100% wrong tbh

[ebon heath]

Black blade of chaos is the way

[covert phoenix]

it's not melee chance

[covert phoenix]

no it's not

[ebon heath]

With a T7 slow chance

[south zephyr]

Oh, hmmm no it's not it's Melee attack has time rot chance, okay hmmmm

[covert phoenix]

with set, you are stuck with sword + shield

[analog steppe]

set scaling is too strong

[covert phoenix]

and even without set, sword + catalyst is stronger

[halcyon yoke]

set bonuses alone double your damage

[ebon heath]

Do the math and you will see that the black blade is far better than set. (With a T7 slow chance)

[south zephyr]

2.36x

[covert phoenix]

lol

[ebon heath]

Try 😉

[fluid sparrow]

Maybe better to discuss it here instead of the ask devs, @halcyon yoke but it does feel un-intuitive if the skill is a void skill and applies slow 😛

And it does not apply

[covert phoenix]

Son, you are making the wild claims here

i'm not your personal spreadsheet

make a claim, back it up

[fluid sparrow]

I would expect that slow chance gets trickled down as a "total":
Global + (Check if void skill) and take the idol chance + local slow chance from skill => final slow chance

And if this final slow chance is indeed from a void skill, it will apply though to the time rot applied by that skill?

[halcyon yoke]

1.5x1.36, not 1.75x1.36
so 2.04 if you want to be precise

[south zephyr]

Gah right nerf

[halcyon yoke]

it needs chance on void skill/hit
anything specific to a skill wont work
that's how EHG decided it
nothing to understand

[fluid sparrow]

But that would mean there are two slow calculations, which is odd

to me

[halcyon yoke]

they could have made it to include specific skills
maybe it was harder to code
idk

[covert phoenix]

it's mostly for balance reasons

[fluid sparrow]

Means if you got 50% chance with void skills, and 50% chance on the skill itself

then that would mean not 100%

[ebon heath]

I am not your son, but I really invite you to calculate. Im not telling "set is bad" but if you do math black blade is better for damage, set for defense.

[covert phoenix]

void cleave has 500% timerot chance, for instance

[halcyon yoke]

you'd only get the 50% multiplier, ya

[fluid sparrow]

bec it's not considered

no no

not talking about time rot now

just about slow

[covert phoenix]

I did the maths, you provided absolutely nothing so far

except wild claims

[ebon heath]

Jesus

[halcyon yoke]

what he told you is that, if you did the math, you can provide the math
if you didnt do the math, then your point is moot

[fluid sparrow]

you got 50% slow chance global, 50% on skill tree, you use the skill ...
In your example that would apply 1 slow stack at 50% and another at 50%

instead of 100%

bec there are 2 types of slow chances

and don't get added in total

[halcyon yoke]

no, you'd apply slow with 100% chance

but for time rot damage

you'd only get a 50% multiplier

[fluid sparrow]

But then you have 100% slow with that skill

?

[covert phoenix]

with set

[fluid sparrow]

and if that skill is void... 😛

[covert phoenix]

with 2H sword

[south zephyr]

Yes and the skill slows 100% but only 50% of the value is scaling damage

[covert phoenix]

70% damage of set

[halcyon yoke]

ofc, this is only discussing time rot scaling with rot grip

[covert phoenix]

subject closed

[fluid sparrow]

it's so weird that in slow stacks calculation it takes it into account, but for time rot half does and half does not?

even if both are "with a void skill"

[halcyon yoke]

it's how the passive works

nothing to understand

[fluid sparrow]

I see

Just wondering why it has to be so difficult

[south zephyr]

It's unintuitive but necessary to avoid massively overbalancing the node

[fluid sparrow]

it's not intuitive

[halcyon yoke]

keyen told you
for balance purpose

so if specific skills have specific bonuses
they can keep it

instead of making every skill providing the same bonuses
which would be boring

[fluid sparrow]

Very weeird

there is only one skill

that has % chance on it's tree

all others are stacks

so "balancing" is weird to use here 😛

[covert phoenix]

stacks are 100% chance in disguise

[fluid sparrow]

oh

[covert phoenix]

no different

[fluid sparrow]

did not know that, then it makes sense

[halcyon yoke]

void cleave has 300% slow
that'd be weird if it worked with the passive

[fluid sparrow]

yeah then I completely understand what you guys are meaning

[covert phoenix]

500% time rot chance

[halcyon yoke]

but i 100% agree EHG could have done it differently
just a design choice in the end

[covert phoenix]

boom, +1000% more damage

[south zephyr]

It would also make it a nightmare to figure out when to use certain skills since local mods would overwrite old dot stacks

Like global rot chance would be a net negative on dps with some skills if they took local skill scaling into account

Assuming you're at max stacks anyways

[fluid sparrow]

true

But glad I understand now 😄

But one more thing to clear out:

What about "Chance to slow on hit"? Is that considered global?

(from weapon and from blessing iirc)

[south zephyr]

Not sure honestly, hopefully one of our more experienced theory crafters can elaborate

[fluid sparrow]

😄

[halcyon yoke]

yes, the weapon affix should work

[fluid sparrow]

sorry for the "difficult" annoying questions 😛

[covert phoenix]

as soon as your effect doesn't mention a specific way to apply it, it's global

so yes, blessings are global

melee chance to is not global, chance to with spell is not global, chance to with void skill is not global

[fluid sparrow]

check

[south zephyr]

In the most pedantic possible sense 'on hit' is a specific thing

But also correct

Sorry that was unhelpful

[covert phoenix]

you can't apply ailments with anything but a hit

outside very specific skill effects

[south zephyr]

I don't think you can do anything (except damage) without a hit, but I'm probably forgetting some skills

[covert phoenix]

some dot skills can apply ailment every second, but that's it

and they are even fewer which are then scaling with your stats

[fluid sparrow]

Aside from the whole discussion, i def will start the season with time rotting 😄
But this discussion will def help in making decisions along the way without not udnerstanding why something was not seemingly apply 😄

[covert phoenix]

for instance this doesn't scale with your stats

but this does

and scale on "chance to poison on hit" despite not being a hit

[fluid sparrow]

gotcha

[south zephyr]

Hmm wonder what the best AoE time rot application skill is.

[covert phoenix]

multistrike looks extremely solid for timerot overall

you don't even need bladestorm so your mana is perfectly fine

[fluid sparrow]

the new node of MultiStrike looks like a very very very nice addition

as well

[covert phoenix]

not for timerot

[south zephyr]

Oh, hmmm I probably missed something did it get void conversion or just via ultrafast smite proc

[covert phoenix]

it's a huge dps loss

[fluid sparrow]

Because it would hit too much?

or?

[covert phoenix]

like 33% less damage

[fluid sparrow]

ah

[covert phoenix]

neither, it just has a lot of multiplier in it

[fluid sparrow]

and the "slow with void skills" is only on idols, so neglectable compared to the dmg nodes Keygen is posting I guess

[covert phoenix]

you are picking the global rot chance

on idols

[south zephyr]

Ohhh, ohhh wow I really misunderstood DoT scaling from trees

Okay makes sense.

[covert phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDKLaGJA assuming the set, you are aiming for something like that

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Void Knight (72) / Forge Guard (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,181, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 27% / 27% / 87% / 87% / 53% / 53%
▸ EHP: 2,329 / 1,574 / 1,574 / 2,986 / 2,329 / 1,909 / 1,909

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 236
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (33)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (3,001)
▸ Block Chance: 35%, Mitigation: 27% (510)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Frenzy

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Javelin (20)
• Smite (20)
• Anomaly (20)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Vipertail

[fluid sparrow]

Yeah "Damage" is applied to both the ailment damage and the hit damage

[south zephyr]

And smite should still put in some work on screen clearing

[covert phoenix]

smite is only here for the 20% AS haha

[south zephyr]

Wait no

Really gotta read the whole build better -_-

Hmmm okay screen clear might still be just okay but the scaling should make bossing a piece of cake

[covert phoenix]

it's ok tier

I hope it get better with the yet-to-see changes

I planned stuff with literally 10x the dps of that

as a starter

[south zephyr]

For sentinel or are we talking Falconer lol

[covert phoenix]

I'm starting primalist

[south zephyr]

Hopeful stormcrow noises

[covert phoenix]

The name is already reserved

(physical EQ)

[south zephyr]

UnlimitedBonkWorks

[turbid dome]

o:

[scenic gyro]

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

thats so huge

[turbid dome]

I love it when Karv shows up on the podcasts

[covert phoenix]

lmao what

[south zephyr]

HOLYSH-

[fluid sparrow]

WTF

that is huge

[turbid dome]

Karv is the goat

talkitive tri is doing a podcast with 3 EHG dudes rn

[fluid sparrow]

And did you hear the reroll LP?

[turbid dome]

[fluid sparrow]

higher chance to become 0 LP (but you can egg it again I presume) and very small chance to roll into higher LP

[south zephyr]

Can't listen, Explain, please

[fluid sparrow]

It's a woven echo reward

[turbid dome]

wait the eternity cache can crit now

[fluid sparrow]

if i understood correctly

[fluid sparrow]

@south zephyr

this

[scenic gyro]

hell yea

[fluid sparrow]

I hope I understood it correctly

[south zephyr]

Whoooo itemization is eating gooooood

Guaranteed affix is insane

Relics, omg, relics

All of my skills are now level 26

unhinged laughter

[turbid dome]

[tardy mirage]

symbol of hope is gonna become the new volatile reversal 100% chance

[turbid dome]

lol karv is showing of a woven echo

[spring pollen]

I need to load up the stream. But is it one guarantee all the time? Or needs an item? How does it work

[turbid dome]

for the cache? they said at least T2 dungeon and only on 2lp + I think?

[ebon heath]

I disagree.

Set :

-15% attack and spell speed (sword) = 15% more
-28% time rot on hit (shield)+28% from amulet = 56% = 112% more
-75 void pene (set 1)
-36% more void damage with 12 stack of time rot (set 2)

15+112+75+36 = 238% more for set.

Black blade of chaos :

-120% time rot chance = 240% more
-208% slow chance (T7) = 208% more

240+208= 448more damage for black blade.

[fluid sparrow]

Wasn't this one already leaked by Mike at a certain point? I remember someone saying the corruption catchup echo... 😛

[turbid dome]

[spring pollen]

Ok cool ty!

[turbid dome]

I can't pretend to have every factoid in my head

[covert phoenix]

I saw more multipliers added to each other, I understand you have no idea what you are talking about

[ebon heath]

Okay np we will see at release.

[turbid dome]

idk about overall damage, I'm doing time rot vk with the forgotten knight set cause of the shields -50% void damage taken on block

[covert phoenix]

the only way for black blade to be used is if the time rote chance you can achieve outside of it is absolutely miserable

like, it's a struggle to go above 100% timerot chance

otherwise, it's a clear no match

and the fact you are just adding more multipliers doesn't give much credibility to your claims

[turbid dome]

given todays hype week post mentioned/called out time rot for a dot build I'd assume you wouldn't need a specfic set or unique to make it work

[ebon heath]

It's true that a 200% difference is not credible 😂 but np. Im just talking about damage, not defenses.

[covert phoenix]

my man, I told you twice already, and you still believe adding more multipliers is the way to go. There is no 200% difference, on top of doing this calculation in a vacuum without adding the rest of the build is completely pointless

chance to time rot and chance to slow are stats you are getting elsewhere

pen a bit as well, but a lot less, and the more void damage per time rot is a pure multiplier

there is nothing to discuss, you don't even know how the multipliers are working in this game

you are making multiple logical errors before even taking in account the maths

[ebon heath]

You're talking nonsense, no offense. Im going to work have a good night.

[covert phoenix]

So for you, if I have 100 base damage, 36% more damage and 75% pen, my final damage is going to be 211?

[ebon heath]

Nope

[covert phoenix]

so to confirm what you wrote above

because you literally did say that

[winter copper]

Those dont count

[covert phoenix]

I know

[ebon heath]

This is not final calculation for damage, it's only the total of more damage won between set and black blade.

[covert phoenix]

and it's non-sense, as I explained multiple times

you don't put "+" between more multipliers

never

ever

[winter copper]

Those calculations are wrong

[robust lake]

bro

[fluid sparrow]

Oh we gonna see the reroll LP thing

[robust lake]

karv has no chill

[turbid dome]

Karv is the goat

[robust lake]

holy gyatt momma

[turbid dome]

gamba

[robust lake]

I'm nolifing out of this season

[fluid sparrow]

But 0 LP means ... Egg? 😛

[robust lake]

YES

[fluid sparrow]

that is huge

[winter copper]

What did they spoil

[robust lake]

everything :D

[fluid sparrow]

Friggin hell, and the fact you can insert multiple and it will do all

....

[turbid dome]

rerolling lp

[fluid sparrow]

it's insane

[turbid dome]

@winter copper

[turbid dome]

I think we need to show Karvs backpack too

[robust lake]

RR going from 1lp to 0lp is actually a buff

login

[turbid dome]

[winter copper]

Not in s2

Cause garanteed slam

[turbid dome]

if the weaver sends it to 0lp go to nemi gang

I don't think gauranteed is on 1lp

[fluid sparrow]

Someone said guarantueed slam will only be 2LP+? but unsure

[winter copper]

Can it go from 0 to 1 tho?

[robust lake]

yh but it can go to 2LP so gotta take the gamba

[turbid dome]

Nemi does that

[fluid sparrow]

Can only enter items with 1+ LP

[robust lake]

weaver thing does that too

but with existing lp

[fluid sparrow]

Karv said at least 1LP

[turbid dome]

? I thought they said weaver can't go from 0 to 1 lp

[winter copper]

Nemi bricks items with trash affixes x.x

[scenic gyro]

my stash tab is crying already

[turbid dome]

gamba gamba

[robust lake]

:D

[fluid sparrow]

So that is rerolling the affixes right?

(not LP obviously)

[analog steppe]

implicit and affixes

[robust lake]

implicit reroll is huge, those ranges are atrocious sometimes

[turbid dome]

[fluid sparrow]

YEah zombies got replaced by bees 😄

[waxen nymph]

T2 dungeon

[fluid sparrow]

It's insane that you can insert multiple items in some of these woven echo crafting stations ... such a QoL 😄

[robust lake]

tis making me giddy :D

[austere coral]

I'm torn between going Minion Forge Guard and DoT Void Knight, guess I'm gonna decide during the weekend once patch notes drop

[covert phoenix]

it's going to depend on the amount of time rot you can find in VK

without at least 150%, it's going to be doa

[last bison]

Warpath has a pretty good time rot node

[covert phoenix]

no

the current warpath skilltree has 0 support for time rot

[turbid dome]

👀

[fluid sparrow]

only 1 fp

slick

[robust lake]

hope its fixed 1fp and it doesnt randomly eat 20 kekw

[fluid sparrow]

he did it twice and it remained 1 on bottom

but unsure ofc

[austere coral]

I'm not thinking of going pure Time Rot, but many of them - Time Rot, Doom, Future Strike, Disintegrating Aura and Abyssal Echoes; you should be able to fit all of it in 1 build

[covert phoenix]

it's even worse

[austere coral]

Idea is to use hammers to score many hits for many Future Strike stacks and Impair the Weak procs

[last bison]

They got rid of apocalypse whirl?

That sucks, that was my favorite way to play warpath

[covert phoenix]

no

but it doesn't work with the new time rot passive

and warpath is pretty bad at stacking more damage multipliers for ailment

[waxen nymph]

@alpine canopy Karv just confirmed
No boss drop from imprint

[austere coral]

Hmm, was it said regarding set shards whether weapon base has to be the same weapon class, e.g. Sunforged Set needing 2-handed mace?

[waxen nymph]

They do

Same with Class requirement

[scenic gyro]

@gusty abyss

since you asked about those earlier

[gusty abyss]

YES! I AM SEEING THIS

[scenic gyro]

i feel like hunting for bis will be so much more fun now

[gusty abyss]

only took 9 months, but its there, the dream lives!

[robust lake]

these madmen lolol this is gonna be fun

[scenic gyro]

f** no, shade is ruthless in high corruption xD

[gusty abyss]

yes, remove corruption increase

thats good

[fluid sparrow]

Yeah and the woven echo Judd was talking about "Nemesis tower" where you will encounter multiple nemesisis's back to back 😄

[robust lake]

ya imagine u stroll to that locus well and then u get spiked by a meteor from shade xD

goddamn content galore

[safe forum]

is sentinel gonna be good with the rework?

[robust lake]

hopefully xD

[safe forum]

lool

[last bison]

It would be weird if they were bad

[safe forum]

i havent played in about a year so i was just curious of the changes

is there any patch notees i could look at

[robust lake]

patchnotes landing on 11th in couple days

[south zephyr]

First pass with the reveals seems to indicate good, not busted. Don't expect a Falconer or Warlock

Some fairly impressive tank

[robust lake]

I got my pally to 5200hp before all this goodness will prolly gun for 7500+ this go around, oh hell yeah tanky through the roof

[south zephyr]

VK ele -> void damage taken seems potentially busted

20% less void damage and subsequently 10% less elemental damage is a lot

[covert phoenix]

it's not that great without the set shield

by itself, it's certainly not busted

it's like 1.4% less damage per point lol

[fluid sparrow]

which shield?

[covert phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCswDgTiA

[south zephyr]

Forgotten knight, 50% les void on block

[fluid sparrow]

thx

[south zephyr]

That plus ravenous void would be quite something

[robust lake]

we dont get any other sources of health on block other than shield still right?

[covert phoenix]

you have some as passives

[winter copper]

health on block is trash, ward on block is pog

[robust lake]

yee

[fluid sparrow]

And the 2H sword, forgot the name

[south zephyr]

Dreamthorn and blessing

Technically

[fluid sparrow]

Dreamthorn yes!

[south zephyr]

Huh dreamthorn 2H plus shield wouldn't be terrible early

[winter copper]

"""early""" kekw

that node is on top line of fg tree

[halcyon yoke]

ravenous void is actually a nerf, you'd end up taking more damage, because armor reduces physical damage more

(not counting the void barrier mechanic, purely the phys taken -> void)

we had a talk about this a couple weeks ago, where i put some numbers about it

[south zephyr]

Would that still apply with 0.5*.0.8*0.85 less void taken?

Gah star made it italics, gross

[halcyon yoke]

it was done without the 50% from shield

but with how rare ravenous void is, you might end up just using the uberroth gloves instead, which are way more powerful

[covert phoenix]

with the 20% less and a max roll ravenous, it's similar at 62% armor

more armor and you take less damage from physical

[south zephyr]

Point

[south zephyr]

Ah figures, was hoping it was just past chain

[halcyon yoke]

but yes, that VK passive can be good, since a lot of endgame damage taken is void
the conversion is decent at best without the shield and very high block chance
kinda depends on what ends up being the most deadly, with the huge nerf dots are getting

as someone else pointed out, on average, you get 1.4% DR per point with it

(10+10+10+20)/7/5

[south zephyr]

Yeah which is, alright. Fine I'm over hyped

Hmmm does sentinel have any strength stacking synergy?

Palarus I guess

[halcyon yoke]

it can be good, especially if built around
but it's not broken on paper

[south zephyr]

Thinking about last bear strength stacking endurance threshold

[halcyon yoke]

like it goes up to 4.3% per point if you include 100% block + the shield

[south zephyr]

Which now that I think about it probably isn't that crazy either, 200 endurance threshold is nothing to sneeze at but not crazy broken either

[halcyon yoke]

remember that if you have 80-100 str, that 2p bonus is worth 1 T7

[covert phoenix]

last bear set is purely about vessel + cleaver

[halcyon yoke]

but int took a huge hit, only giving 2% ward retention, down from 4%

[covert phoenix]

but is a T7 endurance threshold valuable?

[halcyon yoke]

i'd say, not enough to make a whole build around it

[south zephyr]

Not even close

[halcyon yoke]

but if you happen to have the room, for some reasons

the likely case is

you'll want legendaries

[covert phoenix]

my planned build does, but i'm going to pick it for the additional regen per str on glove and the big fat +30 str for cleaver

[halcyon yoke]

yet, depending on champions affixes, maybe there will be a build wanting to use set+champion affixes on these slots

[south zephyr]

Hmmm last bear cleaver vessel palarus smite setup. Meh

I'm just throwing things at the wall at this point

Do kinda wonder if there will be new and interesting smite affixes on weaver idols

[south zephyr]

Wait paladin Javelin Smite proc might be fun

Hmmmmm

Need to see what there is in terms of electrify or lightning synergy

Storm Champion affix

[halcyon yoke]

they added an affix with chance to electrify on chest/helmet

[south zephyr]

The champ one right?

[halcyon yoke]

no

regular affix

it was shown on ghazzy's interview

[south zephyr]

Ooooh that's a lot of extra electrify chance

I wonder if the sub spears it casts count as throwing hits

For Javelin I mean

Smite gets a lot of More so that's probably pretty top tier for an applicator

Hmmm EDoT, Turani's, smite on throwing hit

[warped vigil]

Isn’t this just bonkers??

[supple notch]

See, and here my plan was to go Sierpin's Fractal Tree + Mourningfrost, stack dex and not use Siege Barrage, but now I'm not so sure 😄

[lilac sparrow]

Since reversal attracts all summoned devouring orbs is it better if they don't orbit anymore?

[south zephyr]

Mana sustain will be tricky

But yeah might be bonkers to combine siege + divine

[orchid flint]

In the showcase karv showed what the mana looks like and it is mana hungry

[alpine canopy]

It's less mana than current, and it's currently sustainable

or should I say, baseline siege barrage + divine fury is identical in cost to current just siege barrage

[orchid flint]

ahh I see

[alpine canopy]

but also there will be a lower % more cost as well, so it'll be less overall

[alpine canopy]

Yes, they are throwing hits pretty similar to regular javs

[woven temple]

just start spamming the portal button once you see the animation

[south zephyr]

Hehe the Aoe would be insane on smite throwing proc. Not sure if there's enough single target here for bossing but map clear would be hilarious

[lilac sparrow]

Can someone tell me what items increase base spell crit chance

Or base crit chance

[south zephyr]

Phantom grip I think has base crit

Scorn Scepter too I think

Some catalyst bases too

Use case?

[spring pollen]

Rune dagger I believe

[south zephyr]

Ah yeah that too

Sceptre has twice as much if you're specifically only looking for spell crit though

[spring pollen]

Eagle wing axe too

[rapid cedar]

if I'm summoning forge weapons through warpath mostly, I don't really need these points right?

[south zephyr]

Probably not no

Especially if you've got a phantom grip or two to extend duration

[rapid cedar]

yeah probably just 1. although, doesn't look like those 3 points are very useful anywhere else in the tree. I guess another 60% area for forged weapons wouldn't hurt

[winter copper]

no it just adds clear finally

[south zephyr]

I mean sentinel expanding the number of builds able to comfortably clear 300-500 corruption maps is pretty nice even if we're not going to suddenly get an influx of 1000c viable builds

But also yeah that change isn't juicing single target damage really

Will make it pretty trivial to hit 5 smites a second though in higher density packs at least

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that only does anything if you're directly using forge strike

or actually using it, I should say

to hit enemies with

[rapid cedar]

yeah, i think sometimes people use it at the start of fights to get them up instead of spinning for a while. but i think i'll just drop em and get to spinning.

shame that the skill tree has so little to actually buff the minions

thats all about all the nodes that affect the minions period

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, you can get the tiny ward node lol

[rapid cedar]

wouldn't that only be when forged strike summons them, not when warpath does?

[orchid flint]

man idk what to play on launch void knight or siege barrage javeline. both look so fun now

[alpine canopy]

Should work for any summons of FW, technically speaking forge strike doesn't even summon anything itself either

it just procs the same summon FW skill that all FW summons proc

[slim spire]

Nah it works with warpath summon, it's not great, but it does add a few hundred ward with 0 retention

[spring pollen]

If the sun forge set shards from the hammer are the flat damage per forge weapon summoned it is gonna lead to some spicy builds I’m thinking

[rapid cedar]

ok ty. When do you think Julra's obsession becomes as good/better than just an exalted item? probably 2LP and getting two desirable affixes (attack speed and ... i really don't know the other one ... % minion damage wouldn't transfer to them, except for the fact that your still wearing them, so only applies once)

maybe armour shred

[alpine canopy]

Armor shred is super strong for primalist, but FG and necro have easy access to it already.

I'm not sure Julra gloves ever really outpace alternatives for FW (due to phantom grips) or for MA. Probably BiS on RoS even with nothing slammed on it, but RoS is super questionable lol, we'll see.

[worn garden]

this is going to be fun.

[grand bear]

I wonder if the last part means that haste effect scales the block chance

[slim spire]

I read somewhere that haste effect doesn't scale block

[grand bear]

boo

[analog steppe]

it was in one of the friday streams i think

[alpine canopy]

They confirmed it doesn't scale block chance in ask-the-devs channel

which doesn't make much sense since the modifiers is "increased effect of haste on you", should work no matter what effect haste gives, but it just doesn't

[inland quarry]

that paladin crit buff is crazy. no downsides wtf? i can't believe my eyes.

i guess only fg needs downsides for some odd reason

must be super op somehow

[reef hare]

Hello all,
Sorry if this question already came!

I am a mainly VK Player and mostly enjoy playing melee VK.

Lately I enjoyed playing warpath + Void Cleaver with a 2h-Sword.
Going for max crit.

Applying timerot with warpath and then cleaving for a lot of single target damage.
Combining that with volatile reversal for a lot of burst damage.

Seeing that volatile got reworked, and timerot got buffed, I initially thought I could get the damage back from the set bonus.

But it seems the set crafting can only be applied to the same armor slots, making it kinda useless for a 2H VK.

I read that volatile reversal can guarantee an echo and apply abyssal echoes.

This could make up for some damage.

But overall I feel like my build would be weaker damage wise.
If I missed any new reworks, please tell me.

Of course this is excluding champion affixes and idol enchanting.

[alpine canopy]

It was kinda mixed - nerf for lightning builds, usable for melee and other builds now. It's pretty solid though.

[inland quarry]

tbh, i lightning was always weak on sentinel

it actually makes no sense for sentinel to have anything to do with lightning

[orchid flint]

idk electrify smite is pretty good

[alpine canopy]

I think you'll get more damage overall between VR being an attack and the other buffs like SoH. You do also have the option of speccing more into time rot, VC is a pretty okay applier of it at least for clear speed purposes

[alpine canopy]

Lightning is currently very good on paladin

looks like it will continue to be, but we'll see how all the changes shake out

[sweet hazel]

This would be dank if they fix Sierpin's Fractal Tree in this update.

As currently it's still incredibly bugged.

[supple notch]

Did they not? I had done a light googling and it sounded to me like it was fixed?

I was going to test in legacy tonight

[sweet hazel]

Please do, I don't recall hearing anything about the item being fixed.

Beforehand, it not only didn't ever create the proper number of split javelins, but half the time the javelins wouldn't even do the correct amount of damage.

They also had the worst tracking, and would only shoot where the enemies positions were without taking in to account them moving lol

It also made it so that if used against a single target, the javelin just wouldn't do damage

[reef hare]

Thanks! I guess I will just have to test it out!

[supple notch]

I will when I get time tonight, but the other backup plan is just... siege barrage with a different spear. Not ideal, but it could work as a backup plan.

[supple notch]

So, I'll have to record when I'm off of VC later to check spear count (because that might be wrong/lower than it should be), but preliminary testing with the target dummies seem to indicate that it splits, that the splits hit at least stationary enemies (and, honestly, the thing that I was more worried about, that Mourningfrost applies to it).

I do want to test against moving stuff, though, because yeah that'd be a good thing to know in advance. even if I don't have any good dex stacking sentinel gear and so this test will probably be a tad scuffed

[grand bear]

Getting dex gear might be a bit easier in the upcoming patch at least

[supple notch]

That was what made me think to try this, yeah

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, all attribute stackers are getting a pretty good boost to crafting. Except vitality, because reasons

[analog steppe]

good reasons tbh

we can already drop way more Vit gear than the other stats

[lilac sparrow]

Vitality is the best stats

Increases hp and dmg

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's good reasons

[turbid dome]

love vitality

[supple notch]

I'm going to assume we can't post videos here? I recorded, and it looks like Sierpin's works fine, with the possible caveat that the spear count might be capped slightly too low. My profoundly scuffed "whatever I could cobble together" gear in legacy had 49 dex, and the most spears I was able to see in my video was 4. Part of it might be that I counted wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's (dex/12, min 2) spears instead of (dex/12 + 2) spears.

Either way, I realized that the smite on throwing hit idols are not hammer specific, so I think I have a plan now, patch notes pending 😄

[turbid dome]

at the very least you can link videos

just like don't self promo

I think

[supple notch]

Well let me upload it to youtube and hope I don't get yelled at by the mods then lol

[turbid dome]

can't imagine you would, people link stuff all the time

[halcyon yoke]

there a way to do it, like wrouk did here : #🔱┃sentinel message
no clue how, however

[supple notch]

Welp here goes mods no smite it's bug testing not self promotion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO1c1J9jTM

[orchid flint]

why not just run divine fury + seige barrage next season?

[halcyon yoke]

why not fix a bug?

[orchid flint]

maybe not in their priorities!? idk!?

[supple notch]

It's an option

I'm far more concerned with doing the cool thing than the optimal thing

We'll see - LE makes it pretty easy to change things around if I want to anyways.

[halcyon yoke]

sure, but doesnt mean people cant do bug testing and bug report

[supple notch]

I like the dex stacking framework for damage regardless given Sentinel's easy access to res and the improved ability to find dex gear next season anyways.

Even if that just ends up going down to Mourningfrost and we ditch the Fractal Tree for something else

[orchid flint]

see now thats valid

[supple notch]

So may as well try it out

If it doesn't work, well, I have a good backup plan, all the better

[halcyon yoke]

we know LE is riddled with bugs, but we still should expect better from EHG
settling for "fixing bugs isnt a priority" isnt really how we get better games

[supple notch]

Problem is, I can't confirm 100% it's bugged or not. All I can say is that it's not so badly bugged that I'm not willing to try 😄

At most it's -2 spear splits on the listed

[halcyon yoke]

wasnt directed at you, what you're trying to do is great

[supple notch]

Oh I know

We good

[alpine canopy]

Bane of winter 😁

That will be high on my list when I look at what FG build I'll run

[supple notch]

Oooh, that's a good one here too. Got big flat, ele pen, triggers on javelin (and is a spell, so mourningfrost applies to the procs)... I'm going to have to keep this one in mind as well if Sierpin's doesn't work out (or if I get bored with it and want to try other things)

[vernal frigate]

so much affix pressure just gone 😩 cant wait

no need for frailty on gloves

[turbid dome]

also the new woe

[vernal frigate]

YUP

[alpine canopy]

They turned woe to woah

[lilac sparrow]

What is this

I love this

[lilac sparrow]

Sir do you know any good build around exploding devouring orb

[turbid dome]

I used those as just a time bomb on my wizard vk

build used the nemesis sceptre + crystal skuill for hella base crit and just kinda played like a caster

[lilac sparrow]

Since reversal gathers devouring orb

I wanna build this

[turbid dome]

Step 1) get a nemesis scepter

If there’s not a big cof buff for this you might genuinely need to go merchant guild just for this

Only big difference from a regular crit spell build is that you stack vitality

Like get 90+ vit cause you need all the flat damage with the nemesis scepter

But that + crystal skull is 5 + 9 + 6 = 20 base crit

[robust lake]

MG gonna get goofed anyway right

I don't wanna grind both xD

[waxen nymph]

Top of the morning gentlemen

[robust lake]

aye zero sleep was had this night lmao wrote some notes at least

[waxen nymph]

What are we cooking this morning?

[robust lake]

👀

[waxen nymph]

I need to watch the end of the podcast

[robust lake]

|| something something javelins ||

[waxen nymph]

I feel asleep

[gusty abyss]

Whaaaat?

How could you feel asleep with so many good things revealed

[waxen nymph]

Hey ! It started at 10pm. I was in my bed listening to it

[gusty abyss]

Anyway, scorn sceptre looks to be on the menu!

[waxen nymph]

At some point I slipt

I saw most of it

Idols, experimental crafting, attributes rerolling

[robust lake]

Grandpa Vlad couldn't endure simultaneous onslaught from ambien and Judd.

[waxen nymph]

Garanted lp slam!!

[robust lake]

yee thats super fancy

[gusty abyss]

That slam is gonna be so good for 1lp nihilus

So hard to get a good rolled one with LP

Now just gotta do it once

[robust lake]

same with RRs and RVs too, basicly anything with high lpt

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, but those don't have crazy negative or low roll potential

[robust lake]

rerolling implicits on ravenous and heart of uhkeiros is pure bliss too

they were unusable with bottom rolls .\ _/.

[vernal frigate]

im curious about these on the echo tree too

maybe some nice early siphon of anguish/apathy maw/shattered chains farming

rerolling omnis gonna be fun too

is a perfect rolled omnis just bis in some cases?

pretty broad question 😆

[waxen nymph]

Make also Exalted easier

You just need that one t7

[vernal frigate]

yuppppp

[robust lake]

🙏 EHG mess up the Owobyss node so it spawns 100% of the time in every echo, I need dat adrenaline

[robust lake]

Nihilis is way better cuz res is easier to cap with just tree and/or idols, while it provides stats unavailable elsewhere. Omnis is a nice blanket for res though yeah

[vernal frigate]

ah thought so 🫡 cheers

my loot filters gonna be crazy 😩

[robust lake]

lmao I need to set up a fresh one but just can't bring myself to

possibly yoinking it from someone else 👀

[vernal frigate]

oops didnt mean to reply to that

[robust lake]

[vernal frigate]

btw i didnt expect discord to have so many good default stickers

[vernal frigate]

thanks to you i know now

[vernal frigate]

this ones crazy

[lilac sparrow]

Ah yeah this is exactly my plan so how about the idols? Do I just spam vit idols on my slots

[robust lake]

Can fit 8x 2x1 ones for 24 Vit

Gotta do with less probably, you'd still want actual idol or two there xD

[warped vigil]

It’s +2 for divine, I think it’s worth it for what’s probably twice as fast clears

[waxen nymph]

Bigger idols gives more vitality

Like a 4x1 is up to 7

[vernal frigate]

t7 sealed affix farming

plus grab the node for twinned champion

[waxen nymph]

Plus the node for Arena echoes to have champions

[grand bear]

They also improved arenas from what I remember 👀

[waxen nymph]

Indeed

[grand bear]

📈

[vernal frigate]

thats great to hear, i was going to rush the block node

[vernal frigate]

i couldnt find that one in here https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1juwxtl/every_tooltip_that_karv_showrd_today/

[waxen nymph]

That was during one of Mike Stream I believe

[vernal frigate]

oooooooh

[waxen nymph]

Check Eterra monthly

[worn garden]

unironically I want to cook with so much...

like putting pineapple on pizza

[vernal frigate]

ok too far

[little temple]

I wonder what they did to counteract the powercreep from all the new crafting options

[worn garden]

probably made the game much harder, looks like uber abby wont be a push over, and there's all these woven thingy monsters, and champions, so echoes are probably going to be a lot more dangerous I would assume with all these new enemes and stuff

[gusty abyss]

they made corruption scale faster

as in the damage/hp increase on monsters

[worn garden]

it's basically going to be a brand new game again, everything we do to gear will be different, and how we craft will be different

[woven temple]

do you mean the 1.0 changes? Cause I don't think that they announced any other corruption changes for 1.2

[gusty abyss]

Mike did talk abit it, even drew a graph

[waxen nymph]

Balance the game properly 💀🤣

[worn garden]

also.. you can fight shade of orobyss in monos too lol

yeah gonna be much different experience in the monolith

[woven temple]

first time?

[gusty abyss]

This is going to be interesting for melee, shade has a melee slab attack that is near instant and 1 shots well before anything else does.

Maybe they tweaked it? Copium

[worn garden]

specially for people playing hc..

[robust lake]

what you think someone playing ssfhc is like because they never die

what they really look like cuz never go above 301c

[lilac sparrow]

Wow nice

What affixes are meta btw

I mean most meta

I want to sell them in auction

[scenic gyro]

https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1207737267376885880

@gusty abyss regarding harbinger bases, was the question if we can imprint them answered? i would assume they work the same as boss uniques, that you cant work around their drop source ( except the new node in weavers tree)

[gusty abyss]

The text read that it does not work for items that only drop from specific sources

So that excludes boss drops but also nemesis bases

[scenic gyro]

thought so ty

but the new node for those sounds juicy enough

[gusty abyss]

Yes, and it aligns with what you want to do as well. IE keep upgrading uniques in the egg

[scenic gyro]

im just slightly concerned with my stash space now in cof x)

you pretty much want to pick up most stuff

[gusty abyss]

I knoiw right

Need all the stats, any exalted with desired affix

[scenic gyro]

really need to rethink filter strategy here

[gusty abyss]

even all these failed legendaries or low LP have a use now

Yesterdat I thought this would be very ambitious, now it actually seems plausible: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3pLO4EA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (25) / Void Knight (72) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,369, Regen: 145.2/s
▸ Mana: 140.46, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 60 Str / 11 Dex / 11 Int / 16 Att / 61 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 68% / 68% / 81% / 113% / 102% / 102%
▸ EHP: 11,425 / 10,677 / 10,677 / 19,438 / 13,027 / 13,027 / 11,425

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 859
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,476)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Swiftness, Haste

Used skills:

• Warpath (29)
• Smite (26)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Devouring Orb (26)
• Anomaly (24)

Used unique items:

• Nihilis
• Wings of Argentus
• Decayed Skull
• Vortex Pennant
• Riverbend Grasp
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Palarus's Sacred Light

[gusty abyss]

well, outside of the sealed haste xD

that is gone

[scenic gyro]

whats the idea behind 2 crab rings

[gusty abyss]

vit scaling for spelldamage to make up for the low spelldamage on the scorn sceptre

and 3lp is reachable

[scenic gyro]

oh right its void

[gusty abyss]

best part, 1x1 idol can have frailty chance

[scenic gyro]

do you think that outweighs the 10% more dmg from oceareon? 2lp is reasonable now and you can choose t7 vit

[gusty abyss]

that fixes it from just 1 of those, so good

no vit on rings, sadly

[scenic gyro]

oh right

[gusty abyss]

other than crab would be red ring

[scenic gyro]

i was about to say, you are really close to the threshold

wouldnt 2 red rings be insane

[gusty abyss]

which might be worth it, depends if the defense is needed vs offense

[scenic gyro]

you could slap double t7 str on red rings for the threshold

[gusty abyss]

I just want to speed farm 1kc, dont care for pushing

If anything, I think I might need to get some more mana regen so I can move 2 points from reduced warpath cost to movespeed

[scenic gyro]

thats exaactly why i put on channel cost on helmet, to save some points in wp x)

but i guess with vopid you want + skills

[gusty abyss]

Maybe, gotta see how important dorb points will be

[scenic gyro]

curious how much of your dmg will come from orbs

[gusty abyss]

yeah same, also not sure how to spec it yet

might be turret

[junior wren]

oh well, rip shattered lance vessel build. I watched the stream and turns out I can't put set affix on vessel

[gusty abyss]

hah, yeah, that would be something

but the fact they felt they needed to cap shattered lance indicates that 3k life per second is going to be a thing

[scenic gyro]

it should be high affix investment though right

[junior wren]

the set got nerfed to 1500% damage cap. My simulated build was around 2700% so double rip though 😄

but yeah I can totally see having 3k life regen

[gusty abyss]

I would like the see more set affixes, maybe gaspars would be a nice seal on an exalted sceptre

[junior wren]

I wonder what should my league starter be now. Maybe I'll become a void enjoyer too

[scenic gyro]

just checking the screenshots from yesterday
the frailty chance on idols is on a stout idol
did they say that all weavers affixes can be on all new idol types?

it would be rly strong for 1x1

[gusty abyss]

oh wait, your right, dang

[junior wren]

I'm guessing the amounts will be scaled down, just like current idol affixes

[scenic gyro]

hybrid affixes on small idols still sounds pretty strong

[junior wren]

well it's nice to be able to offload frailty chance from amulet/gloves into an idol for sure 😛

[woven temple]

no they specifically said that 1x1 (And 1x2) idols are kinda shit nowadays, and they risk being underpowered compared to larger class idols with extra affixes. So the weaver affix pool for small idols will be stronger to compensate

[lilac sparrow]

NGL crab ring is actually good item specially in clearing normal nodes

[gusty abyss]

Yeah people rave about 1lp RR, but 3lp crab ring is also solid. Especially on warpath where you won't be hitting evade and can really utilize that swiftness

[waxen nymph]

Also Vitality 🔥🔥

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, that mana guide nerf has me on 66% to start vk, gotta stack that vit

[robust lake]

purple balls gang

[waxen nymph]

Vitality over 9000

[scenic gyro]

we are getting more base crit for non-light in pala right

[gusty abyss]

Yes, 3% base crit, at the cost of 100% increased crit. But also get 50% crit multi.

Its a nerf to early power, but a boost to late game power.

no more 75% smite crit with no gear xD

[scenic gyro]

the new small idols give crit chance and health i guess

[gusty abyss]

Well, Symbols does get this:

[scenic gyro]

yeaaaa i wont loose sleep over it until we get patchnotes

[gusty abyss]

xD

[noble zenith]

we dont know anything else right ? i think symbols might work with lighting too

[worn garden]

lol my fav thing about symbols?

[scenic gyro]

really curious how many/which effects are passive and which ones will be active

[gusty abyss]

Supposedly more like an aura, but I think we are waiting on patch notes for the details

I just hope LE tools gets updated quick

[waxen nymph]

Dammit is ready

[gusty abyss]

😱

Are we? xD

[waxen nymph]

We had a 1st round of translation to do. Non nda stuff but he told us he has most of it ready to shoot

Letools is going to crash starting on Friday ^^

[scenic gyro]

hype

[waxen nymph]

He is just waiting on the green light from EHG

[scenic gyro]

so database will be uptodate with patchnote release ?

[gusty abyss]

Does he also have a weaver tree?

[waxen nymph]

I don't know about that, can ask

[waxen nymph]

🤷

Not sure when EHG will say yes

And I don't remember from previous season

Been too long 💀💀💀

[gusty abyss]

I think it was up before patch notes even

Also had some things that the patch notes forgot to mention