🔱┃sentinel

[alpine canopy]

I'm hoping that S2 will be a bit better for warpath minions. imo gotta have Abby's command to be able to VC your FWs without breaking warpath

But even then it's meh

[scenic gyro]

isnt manifest armor supposed to slap now

[waxen nymph]

It's good

[turbid dome]

I prefer making my manifested armor friend stab by giving him a sword

[scenic gyro]

have you gone through with this? it looks interesting, all the dual wield bonuses and stuff

[junior wren]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ol11OmqA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (14) / Forge Guard (54) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,688, Regen: 118.08/s
▸ Mana: 122.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 62 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 125% / 58% / 58% / 91% / 88% / 62% / 68%
▸ EHP: 8,164 / 6,978 / 6,978 / 16,447 / 8,164 / 7,225 / 7,630

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 538
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,868)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (23)
• Smite (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Ring Of Shields (21)
• Lunge (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[junior wren]

didn't put too much thought into it 😄 idea is we main warpath ofc, we have lunge specced into kill threshold and smite and CDR and +1 charge

lunge procs smite which heals + buffs + activates frenzy from boots experimental

sigils for dmg

ring of shields for survivability + armor

we lunge into enemies to proc buffs and then spin to win

I didn't pick Warrior's Fury, you could pick that for more dps, but you need to find - channel cost helmet first

and in that case we probably need to swap one of the skills for a mana recharging skill

no VR since it's getting nuked next patch

sword because +10% base crit on warpath

with gear from planner it's like 90% crit chance, there's a little bit of HP regen from blessing (and sigils boost it too), there's leech from VK tree

the build is 60% endurance, if you find 10% somewhere else you could swap pts from paladin tree into Valor for extra HP

@scenic gyro have a look and see what you think

[scenic gyro]

did you make this for lvling a fg or whats the purpose

[junior wren]

no, that's the pure physical warpath you said isn't a thing

[scenic gyro]

i have similar gear on my phy warpath ^^ switched to mace/sword 5min ago since vlad suggested it, instantly tripled the dmg

playing around with it rn

[junior wren]

yeah sword+mace is an upgrade, 2h is just quicker to obtain

[scenic gyro]

im not saying you cant play it, you can play anything, but im talking towards 1k corruption this just doesnt work

[junior wren]

well, why do you want to push 1k corruption?

[scenic gyro]

its a cool number

[inland quarry]

anyone know if the new symbols of hope still passively buff you with dmg/block etc?

[junior wren]

I mean, right tools for the right job. There are builds for pushing, for farming, and builds that are simply fun to play

[junior wren]

we haven't seen all the passives, but the base effect of + flat fire dmg and +% health regen is still there, so yes

[inland quarry]

i got a good idea for shield rush if it gets fixed next season. use event horizon since shield rush don't get affected by attack speed. use horn of uhkeiros to make shield rush cost more mana. should bring it to about 65 cost. use strand of souls and 2 weavers will rings to get up to 300% of mana used gained as ward, and spam. that's about 240 ward per attack. but if you bring in healing hands as well, that's about 350-500 ward per attack depending on your healing effectiveness.

[waxen nymph]

No, never

[scenic gyro]

i swapped my 2h fg to mace/sword, it actually kinda slaps even with very average gear

[inland quarry]

shield rush restores your mana after casting, so you can spam and gain ward as long as your fingers don't get tired.

[waxen nymph]

Could use World Splitter for AoE and Crit

[waxen nymph]

Interesting

Naal tooth looks sexy here

[inland quarry]

i tested it already, it doesn't do nearly as much dmg as event horizon. but it does do bigger aoes.

[scenic gyro]

i think this'll keep me busy until season 2, if it can clear abby im happy

[junior wren]

what about arek's bones as mace? it has armor shred and two flat damage bonuses

[inland quarry]

i just need to pray that mike wasn't lying when he said shield rush was fixed. and not saying 'fixed' as in 'eliminated'

[waxen nymph]

Good idea

[scenic gyro]

doom star base is too strong

90 crit multi

[inland quarry]

i thought about arek's bones, but nothing can beat the 150% more dmg and 70% all penetration.

[waxen nymph]

I was thinking the Vengeance Mace for the AS

[inland quarry]

also, that's one of the only 4 builds that could make use of event horizon

[waxen nymph]

Different convo

[scenic gyro]

got an exalted sword with inc as, it feels sufficient tbh

[waxen nymph]

Falcon Fists ?

[junior wren]

got a source of doom?

[scenic gyro]

xD

like i said, very budget gear

[waxen nymph]

Mad man

[junior wren]

man, pushing 1k with those gloves 😄

[scenic gyro]

the new aby gloves gonna be bis for any melee build anways

[waxen nymph]

New uber aby

So you still have a bit of work befire getting them

[junior wren]

new abby launches same time in legacy? so day 1 kill? 😄

[scenic gyro]

this

[waxen nymph]

Yup ^^

[turbid dome]

if it works it works

[scenic gyro]

dot dmg reduction is gonna be so massive

[turbid dome]

if your meaning the new uber gloves, dot dmg reduction does nothing for it

[scenic gyro]

nah i mean the general changes

[turbid dome]

oh right their reducing enemy dot dmg

[scenic gyro]

i dont even value dot mitigation on gear after season 2 anymore tbh

its nice to have like inc aoe, but i wouldnt sacrifice much for it

[turbid dome]

yea

tho sentinel does just kinda get some with champion regalia + eternal gauntlets

I hope leo helm gets changed so terror crown is a better pick

[real patrol]

That helm is weird why is it void only

[scenic gyro]

cause only void has echo stuff

wdym

[real patrol]

Yeah but why have a base item that’s designed for only 1 class

[scenic gyro]

isnt that often the case with class specific bases

[real patrol]

It’s a sentinel item

[scenic gyro]

we also have a helmet with fire dmg, which doesnt get much use for voidknight either

maybe it's just old choices when we didnt have this much stuff in the game and it just didnt get revisited

the newer bases like leonine are more general

[real patrol]

But it works for pal and forge

[junior wren]

rogue also has a helmet with implicit for falcon

[real patrol]

Terror crown was a new one wasn’t it

[scenic gyro]

eeeh idk tbh

[junior wren]

LET says added in 0.9

[scenic gyro]

yea but thats like 2 years away no

[junior wren]

echo body armor in 0.79

🤷‍♂️

[turbid dome]

yeah terror crown and apoyclapse plate were added in 0.9

[scenic gyro]

i dont hate that there are bis bases, better than bis uniques

[real patrol]

It seems way too niche

[junior wren]

I hate the whole idea that helmets and body armors are class restricted

[scenic gyro]

why, it adds flavor

[real patrol]

Then how do you stop a mage from just equipping champions regalia

[turbid dome]

most classes have some bases that are meant for one mastery

[scenic gyro]

look at it this way, there are uniuqes that are meant for a single skill, thats even more niche

if you get good affixes on a meh base then you can at least slam it

[turbid dome]

yea

[real patrol]

Yeah like those judgement gloves

The whole skill now revolves around that 1 item for hit dmg

[junior wren]

i hate that even more 😄

[real patrol]

Yeah that’s worse

[junior wren]

nothing says good item design like an item that only works with ONE skill and nobody uses it anyway

[real patrol]

I mean they added that new spear for forgefuard only essentially

[turbid dome]

dang mike just said the downside to forge guards one hand a two hander is probably attack speed

he doesn't 100% remember

[scenic gyro]

oh god pls dont go the poe2 route and make melee miserable

[turbid dome]

thats just for the use a two hander in one hand thing for FG

not melee as a whole

[real patrol]

Two handed node should have been sentinel

[scenic gyro]

yea but you are still using melee weapons then arent you ^^

[turbid dome]

ye

[real patrol]

Like deep sentinel

[turbid dome]

and if your doing FG thats hard to pass up

[scenic gyro]

actually yea, you can choose either dual wield or shield/2h in base sentinel

that would be so fun

[real patrol]

Exactly that’s what o thought it was

[junior wren]

gimme 2h/1h dual wield 😄

[real patrol]

At the end of the sentinel line you choose

Rip spear and shield paladin

[scenic gyro]

its probably a balancing nightmare though for every single 2h/shield unique they release

fg at least narrows it down a bit

[turbid dome]

it also doesn't include staffs

[scenic gyro]

but every other 2h right

[real patrol]

Or if they had each spec acces to use a specific one

[junior wren]

well if VC is still limited to axes and swords, then whatever

[turbid dome]

can't forget that one silly sceptre c:<

[real patrol]

They g out this electrify spear that I’m never using

Since I’m not dropping a shield

[clever hazel]

It would be funny if that was the entire tooltip. You just.. have less. It's a philosophical statement.

[junior wren]

silly sceptre isn't 2h, doesn't count 😄

[turbid dome]

I wish I could use a two hander with FMM and an offhand sword

mike teased the full node!

[scenic gyro]

20% less dmg jesus christ

[turbid dome]

I mean it is a twohander in a one hand slot

twohanders get a lil more raw stats

[real patrol]

I mean 2h have like double the stats

[scenic gyro]

yea but you are getting defenses for it

shiel offhand

not like another weapon offhand

[real patrol]

Still more dmg than a 1h

[junior wren]

and here I thought FG had issues with dealing damage

[scenic gyro]

its not about that, you are not doing more dmg ( if you only look at gear) with or without shield

so this is basically 2h with 20% less

baseline

[waxen nymph]

20% Less Dmg and 10% Less AS

Though

[minor elbow]

dont hate on FMM.

[turbid dome]

ironglass shield + two hander > just a two hander

[real patrol]

Did you think they would give you 2h and shield and call to a day

[junior wren]

yes

[scenic gyro]

no, but reduced as and 20% LESS dmg is insane

[real patrol]

Lol

[junior wren]

it would be an FG defining trait

unlike, y'know, 80% increased fire damage

[turbid dome]

0.8 of a two hander is still like 1.6 of a one hander

[real patrol]

I’d take that every time

[minor elbow]

and there are just some builds and passive nodes that need a shield/two hander

[waxen nymph]

You need to reduce that even more because you also have less speed

[scenic gyro]

so you are basically just looking at big bonk builds

[turbid dome]

I'm using smelters wrath I'm already slow

[scenic gyro]

anything /Second base is gonna feel horendous

[waxen nymph]

Closer to 0.72 of a 2hander

[turbid dome]

which is still better than a one hander

[analog steppe]

i think the biggest thing to remember is that "class defining" node should not be equal to "class required" node

[waxen nymph]

I am less excited to play it now

[analog steppe]

If there was no downside, 2h+shield would be "required" to play with

[minor elbow]

its not for every FG build, for sure

[junior wren]

dual wield beats it handily

[real patrol]

No downside is a double dmg node

What class gets a double dmg node on tree

[turbid dome]

in terms of damage yea

[real patrol]

Assuming you want shields

[analog steppe]

dual wield gives you a 9% more damage taken penalty right? on top of the loss of the slot for the shield

[scenic gyro]

so the 2h+shield warpath is not gonna happen witht hat lol, i dont see the numbers adding up, its already starving for dmg

[waxen nymph]

I thought that would be good for Minions, but it will suck hard for them

[real patrol]

Use skills that don’t care abo it speed

[waxen nymph]

Because you dont use a 1h+shield for FW

[turbid dome]

ima use event horizon and embrace the giga slow strat

[waxen nymph]

Arena Build

[turbid dome]

beefy and big dmg and I don't have to move

[real patrol]

Like healing hands spin doesn’t care

[junior wren]

you wanna play tower defense game right? 😄

just wait for them to come to you and bonk

[turbid dome]

yes

me am beef

[junior wren]

they need to give you a vacuum skill

[turbid dome]

rive already does that

[little temple]

thats a lot of increased health

[turbid dome]

thats already in the game

[scenic gyro]

think the threshold bonus is new right

[turbid dome]

no

[little temple]

its identical 😄

mike fooled us

[turbid dome]

thats been there

[scenic gyro]

so mike is trolling

[turbid dome]

ye

[analog steppe]

looks like the only change is it moved 5 points to the right

[scenic gyro]

kek

[analog steppe]

used to require 30 points, now its in the 35 column

[turbid dome]

oh true

[little temple]

big change

[scenic gyro]

im not sure if thats worthy of a spoiler

[uneven gorge]

There goes my forged weapons build, turned to dust 😔

[wise moss]

Are sentinel builds typically tanky?

[scenic gyro]

they sure would like to be 🤡

they are going towards the more tanky side with the next patch, currently its very situational

[wise moss]

Gotcha, as someone who will be new, I feel a inherently tanky build will be the way to go

[real patrol]

They can start with doing something about attunement

[rapid pecan]

how much hp is good for a non ward build ?

[scenic gyro]

depends on your dmg mitigation layers on top of hp and sustain, if you have block or not etc
you should be looking towards 4k VERY roughly +/-1k

[rapid pecan]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKYlxgvB i want to aim for something like this next season

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (53) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,477, Regen: 620.01/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 65 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 96% / 94% / 86% / 104% / 106% / 82%
▸ EHP: 7,993 / 7,993 / 7,993 / 13,656 / 7,993 / 7,993 / 7,993

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 695
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,539)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (24)
• Lunge (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Leviathan Carver

[scenic gyro]

a fellow leviathan enjoyer, feelsgoodman

you want to slap some endurance on if you go hp based

[rapid pecan]

flat or % ?

[scenic gyro]

%

60 is cap

[rapid pecan]

i could just change the armor blesssing to endurance

i would be around 50% with that depends on the roll

[scenic gyro]

guess that works

[rapid pecan]

hope hp regen with healing hands will feel good

[scenic gyro]

i think hp regen is getting buffed

[waxen nymph]

It is indeed

[scenic gyro]

those buffs need to be huge to make it worth though if you gonna sacrifice that many affixes for it

[waxen nymph]

Quite excited for the Hybrid Hp/Regen affix

[real patrol]

Buffing regen is buffing vessels

[waxen nymph]

It's getting nerfed to compensate

[real patrol]

Did they say that?

[bold horizon]

i asked mike if fissure converts with smite now and he said he thinks it does 🫣

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[fluid sparrow]

Makes me think they accidentially showed the wrong node maybe? 😛

[waxen nymph]

No, it's because it's moving from 30pts to 35 pts

[fluid sparrow]

But it is weird to leak that? 😛

Or it is a hint that something else new came into place?

[waxen nymph]

🤷

[fluid sparrow]

Aside from that, I am in doubt between Electrify or Time Rot themed season start!

(both obviously, but not at the same time) 😄

[covert phoenix]

honestly, leviathan carver is just an old unique, and doesn't really hold its own. From a dps perpective, it's pretty terrible

the 0.76 base attack speed really kills it

[waxen nymph]

Leviathan Carver ?

[covert phoenix]

yes, sorry

the item could be good if it either had a better attack speed or wasn't lvl 90 for LP

[stone cobalt]

Will divine bolt/smite pala still be viable? Any changes to those nodes?

[waxen nymph]

Hard to say

[scenic gyro]

if anything its getting buffed no?

[waxen nymph]

Well it's loosing VR

[scenic gyro]

arent they flat buffing everything to compensate

[robust lake]

just slam the carver with T7 IAS easy

[waxen nymph]

We don't really know how much everything is getting buffed

[gusty abyss]

So far, all we know is some skills getting a powerfull node rework

[robust lake]

hope everything works and nothing is borked

[scenic gyro]

well anyways, anyone who wasnt using vr is probably net positive on the changes

[robust lake]

arent we all running vr one way or another tho

[scenic gyro]

i refuse to use it, maybe thats why my builds are undercooked
but season 2 gonna slap even harder now, it was all a longterm scheme

[analog steppe]

we saw the smite crit chance node in the pinned images, lost the cast speed reduction compared to current

[inland quarry]

wonder if they're going to buff shield bash? it was a huge disappointment.

[robust lake]

I had some old shieldbash stuff somewhere, absolutely the tankiest character I've ever seen. DPS is whack early on but with enough gear you just walk through any corruption and slap it until its cooked

[robust lake]

something along these lines https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qq7ZmY5o

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (22) / Forge Guard (56) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,627, Regen: 122.04/s
▸ Mana: 148.51, Regen: 13.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 108 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 185% / 120% / 123% / 87% / 103% / 78% / 89%
▸ EHP: 32,164 / 32,164 / 32,164 / 67,666 / 39,264 / 39,264 / 32,164

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 725
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,195)
▸ Block Chance: 78%, Mitigation: 76% (6,902)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (21)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Ring Of Shields (23)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Monument of Protection
• Foot of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal

[inland quarry]

DPS: 10k. still gets 1shot by abberoth or die to dot in 1 sec if he gets hit within the 15 minutes it takes to kill abberoth.

[robust lake]

Few things can facetank abby xD unless ure a rogue I guess, then you just dodge it all

[inland quarry]

yep, no point in being forge guard really. and with the double downside shield node, it's going to still be mediocre. why does egh hate forgeguard so much?

I think maybe 10% less dps, or 10% attack speed or 10% increased dmg taken would be ok.

[gusty abyss]

You mean triple downside right? Movement speed is much harder to get than block chance

[inland quarry]

oh yea forgot about that lol

yea, what are they smoking? i'm pretty sure i won't be the only one to complain about this.

but if nobody complains, that just means they gave up on it and all went heartseeker.

[gusty abyss]

Honestly, that was the 1 thing not to do. Reduce ms.

[inland quarry]

i would be fine with a tank build that has no DPS if it could actually tank and not get 1 shot or die to DOT in 1 sec. but no, it still gets 1 shot and die to dot in 1 sec.

[real patrol]

They probabaly saw how brainless it was in Poe 2 and didn’t want that to happen

[alpine canopy]

oooof that's steep

[robust lake]

Luckily this is an arpg lol If you throw enough gear at it it's gonna be somewhat viable. FG can't be a falconer but you can go make a coffee on 500 cor Lagon and come back np

[inland quarry]

not when it matters

[robust lake]

20% less dmg is awful :p dafuq

[inland quarry]

+10% less attack speed. wtf are they afraid of?

not like not having downsides would suddenly make forgeguard even top 10 build on the ladder

[scenic gyro]

i am pretty sure its fairly balanced for the few "meta" builds this enables, but everything else is not even worth considering with those downsides

[turbid dome]

having a two handed weapon + shield is basically 3 one handers worth of stats

[alpine canopy]

idk if it's worth it for anything at all with that penalty

it'll take some serious thonking

[scenic gyro]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[turbid dome]

with the debuff its in line with most things

[inland quarry]

stats can't make up for those ridiculous penalties. hell, even 15 passive points won't make up for those penalties.

[scenic gyro]

i trust them enough that it probably makes sense for the strong options
but if you want to experiment with wonky stuff this is just not playable

[real patrol]

It’s a defensive node

[inland quarry]

a useless node

[real patrol]

Okay then don’t use it

[inland quarry]

i won't. im just complaining that FG will still remain mediocre.

[scenic gyro]

you wont succeed/win by being defensive though, it only lets you fail slower
so majorly deminishing your offensive capabilities for defensive is very rarely worth it

[alpine canopy]

If it gave less stats from the equipped 2h or something it could be more manageable, but it's 20% less of all your stats in your entire build

[turbid dome]

yea

[inland quarry]

30% less. don't forget attack speed

[scenic gyro]

attack speed debuff doesnt do much for big onehit builds

[inland quarry]

I mean i would totally understand the nerf, if it was DUAL WIELDING 2H weapons. but it's not.

[turbid dome]

I dont disagree thats its a massive downside but theres 0 way your gonna get a twohander + shield without a massive downside

[alpine canopy]

28% less dps on most builds, including all minion builds

[scenic gyro]

all that for a bit of block

hmmm ^^

[turbid dome]

a bit?

[scenic gyro]

im exaggerating

[turbid dome]

an iron glass shield with a block chance shard is still like 55%

[inland quarry]

and unique shields that are worth anything will never get more than 2 affixes

[turbid dome]

ah

[gusty abyss]

The damage reduction isn't even the downside. You go from 1h to 2h and can benefit from all the shield and 2h nodes at the same time. The real downside is no haste

[inland quarry]

haste is situational and only 1 second anyway, worthless.

[alpine canopy]

It might come ahead a little on bleed since flayer contributes damage? Especially on one that doesn't scale with attack speed really

[robust lake]

u can make it 4s + inc effect

[scenic gyro]

i mean, that is a fair point, have we considered all 2h and shield nodes on top of each other?

[robust lake]

but yh its a pain in the rear

[scenic gyro]

after all its a first iterration of a major "balance" change and they have put alot of thought into it
maybe we are judging too early
still sounds awful though

[inland quarry]

nah fam, after shield bash, i already know what's up

sentinels get screwed, other classes get buffs. that's how it's always worked.

[minor elbow]

its not there for every build. but its more than viable on certain builds

[real patrol]

Where we expecting something different?

[minor elbow]

but if you only care about dmg, then yea

[inland quarry]

fg barely has any to begin with, it needs all it can get.

[scenic gyro]

thats my point, it would have been nice if we could make it work on less optimized/meta builds
but the downsides are so massive

you cant play "bad" builds with this

[gusty abyss]

Void cleave with shield as well

[alpine canopy]

I just don't think going from 1h -> 2h is really 39% more dps for most builds. Seems like the only use case for the 2h+shield node is for things that don't scale with attack speed where they only need to gain 25% more dps from swapping to 2h.

[inland quarry]

it's already not available to paladin or VK, so why is the downside so bad? i'd understand it if VK and pali were able to access it. but they don't.

[minor elbow]

you cant/arent playing bad builds anyways. and its not like yall have all the info yet either

like, from the whole patch

[inland quarry]

i don't got my hopes up honestly.

didn't even 'leak' anything good for FG, but leaked good things for other classes. not a great pattern.

[alpine canopy]

I was honestly expecting a downside that didn't affect your minions or didn't affect them as harshly, it just seems really weird to me this way since it appears kinda useless for FG minions

[minor elbow]

yea its not great for minions

[scenic gyro]

but isnt that a major part of fg

[turbid dome]

time to make a screen wide smelters wrath with world splitter and horn shield

[minor elbow]

its a major part of a part of FG. yes.

you can play FG without minions

[uneven gorge]

Same. I was expecting something like you have less attack speed or damage, but as is this just cripples my forged weapons build

[inland quarry]

the only thing i honestly see this being good for is a rebuke build to try and survive a boss without killing it as long as possible.

[scenic gyro]

yea i guess not everything has to work with everything

[minor elbow]

it doesnt

[uneven gorge]

We'll see tho

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it might be good for some really niche setups where the combo of items you use have really good synergy... seems to be balanced around that rather than being something that's a viable option normally

[inland quarry]

oh yea smelters wrath. people just looove that skill i'm sure. charge up and hope u don't die or have to dodge.

[minor elbow]

yeah i wouldnt touch this with forged weapons. MA maybe cuz its gets a shield and a 2h as well...so there could be some stuff there

[real patrol]

Well now you won’t die

[turbid dome]

apathy's maw + bulwark? void dmg fg?

[real patrol]

Since you have a shield

[minor elbow]

i mean i did smelters before this perfectly fine. sure it was slow but it still did all content.

[scenic gyro]

i think most people thought 2h+shield would be like dual wield, smth you can just use and make work in most builds
which is obviously not the case

[alpine canopy]

I mean, you can just use 1h+shield if you want a shield, your FWs' dps will probably even be higher this way

[inland quarry]

it's got the downside of dual wielding 2h weapons.

[scenic gyro]

eeeeeeh whatever, we'll see
it sounds fun enough to fool around with and try some stuff, even if its weak
numbers can always change

[inland quarry]

if you go to the marksman part of the discord, it's all positive. come here, and nobody cares about that new node. hmmm, something isn't right.

[analog steppe]

There’s been plenty of negative stuff over there too, see anything mentioning the new unique helmet for heart seeker and calling it dead already

Arpg players are inherently negative

[scenic gyro]

i swear, if we ever get a barbarian class/mastery we will get dual wield 2H, quote me on that

[minor elbow]

forgot everything has to be super op on release with 0 theory crafting on the actual balance patch or else its just trash within 5 minutes of the teaser

[uneven gorge]

Well yeah they get like a 1000 damage effectiveness super skill, we get an apple with a razor blade sticking out of it (I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect)

[scenic gyro]

heartseeker looks broken to be fair ^^

[inland quarry]

u mean like heartseeker?

[analog steppe]

Most ppl are glazing heartseeker without even reading the nodes in some cases, I saw people misinterpreting the puncture spawning node already, not knowing that it’s behind the node that cancels the reseeking part of the skill

(Didn’t help that the dev also made this mistake on the stream)

[scenic gyro]

you dont need to reseek if the whole screen explodes

[minor elbow]

dev also played on a lvl 100 toon in a lvl ten area. and people are running with tht

[scenic gyro]

but yea ^^

[uneven gorge]

...isn't that the point of turning the left over hits into punctures...?

[real patrol]

Can’t wait for season 3 sentinel second rework

This time for sure

[inland quarry]

3rd time's the charm

[robust lake]

xD

[alpine canopy]

Numerically, it seems really strong

[real patrol]

There was a first?

[analog steppe]

Yea lol but some ppl were acting as though it would keep going at the same time

[uneven gorge]

Crazy

[scenic gyro]

we are being dramatic out of boredom at this point arent we 😛 its the delay cope

[alpine canopy]

Eh, it's the shock value honestly

[uneven gorge]

Correct

[inland quarry]

for me, it's just the disappointment of me not being wrong.

[real patrol]

I haven’t seen anything to really counter the volatile dmg buff

[scenic gyro]

thats because we didnt get patch notes yet

[real patrol]

Yeah don’t believe they will 2x every skill

[analog steppe]

We aren’t gonna “see” any of those changes until game release probably, since it will all be in behind the scenes number changes

[real patrol]

Yeah just seeing a 2x across the board seems unrealistic

[alpine canopy]

Also would be overkill

[scenic gyro]

we havent seen the passive tree either, im sure we get alot of "mastery" nodes added etc

i am pretty sure they've done the math ^^

[alpine canopy]

I'll almost definitely start sentinel in S2, after the downside reveal for 2h+shield I think I'm mostly locked in on VK - but I'll wait until the planners are updated and see how all the changes shake out

[scenic gyro]

oh look, an adult, how dare you sir, engulf yourself in rage like normal internet people !! (im joking relax guys)

[alpine canopy]

As far as Eternal Form... I wonder why it has alt text now. Is it just going to explain the base effect of vitality?

[scenic gyro]

funny you say that #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, only other thing I can think of is confirmation that the node isn't going away, but that's not much of a win lol

[scenic gyro]

its been an odd teaser, thats for sure

[alpine canopy]

Maybe it was a slip up tbh

[scenic gyro]

thats why i asked, maybe we get some extra juice out of it

:3

[alpine canopy]

Here's to hoping

[inland quarry]

maybe he accidentally pulled it up from the 1.1 patch notes.

[alpine canopy]

I think usually Kain or someone from the team gives him the things to spoil

maybe whoever grabbed the screenshot accidentally grabbed the wrong node

or just looked through for cool nodes and picked one at random

[analog steppe]

Can’t be, since it has a change in it compared to live game currently

even if that change is just moving location on the passive tree

[alpine canopy]

and addition of alt text

Oh, good news for dual wielding builds got teased, too:

[scenic gyro]

kek

that is actually quite neat

i have to admit there have been quite some dot aoes that nuked me when i tried to greed loot

guess i can take that stuff with me to the grave now

[real patrol]

The real sentinel buff

[alpine canopy]

Yeah unironically pretty cool, biggest thing is for those moments when you die after a boss fight, or right after a prophecy pops, or right after nemesis drops your loot

[real patrol]

It’s a shame other classes won’t be able to experience it

[alpine canopy]

That might be the thing they were talking about when they said they had something for prophecies popping on the boss before the harbinger spawns in

[eager carbon]

well, sentinel is solved

we S tier now bois

[scenic gyro]

would love to know the range though

some boss arenas are fairly big

if you move from one side to the complete opposite will it still register

[robust lake]

I have concerns of what is considered nearby xD If my whole screen is cluttered with prophecy loot how much of it is going to get safeported. 10%? 25%? 50%? aint no way it vacuums it all

[alpine canopy]

I'm assuming prophecies are one of the main reasons the mechanic is being implemented, should be 100%

[analog steppe]

Technically all the prophecy loot drops in the same location, just that the text boxes for the loot spread across your screen

[alpine canopy]

the little clip on stream shows all the items nearby getting moved, but the real question is the range on it

because if you're fighting a harbinger, there's a good chance you might have to move pretty far away at some point during the fight

[turbid dome]

have them drop a box with the loot in it that you can open it

[scenic gyro]

but you have to pay to open it
welcome to le loot boxes

[prisma hollow]

I love how EHG decided to give us 2handers in one hand slot as soon as PoE2 made it a thing with giants blood

When before I remember they were hesitant to even include it in LE for the longest time

[robust lake]

mastery respec is the biggest backpeddle still

[harsh nova]

and then they gave it to the spec that doesn't need it 😂

#giveeverythingtoVK

[alpine canopy]

FG-only was the right choice

[prisma hollow]

It should've been available to all sentinel masteries imo

Having it being gatekept behind the worst mastery is unappealing

[covert phoenix]

akshually

given you had a bug allowing for 2H in one hand for a very long time

LE had the two hander in one hand way before PoE

[spring sage]

I heard that sentinel can use 2H in one hand with shield in 1.2. Does that include Staffs too?

[real patrol]

just FG and its axes swords maces and spears

[turbid dome]

every twohander that isn't a staff works for it

[austere coral]

Good morning

Happy to wake up to such teaser, but this damage penalty! Yikes!

[covert phoenix]

It's 28% less damage in order to get a shield

still miles better than a one handed + shield

[austere coral]

I was planning to start Electrify Javelin with Spear and this node, but it doesn't feel worth it for ailment stacking tbh

[covert phoenix]

depend how you value a shield

[granite cradle]

I love Giants Grip!

[alpine canopy]

For electrify you are better off on paladin anyway

[latent ferry]

is the world ready?

[scenic gyro]

i never understood this node in fg
whats the point of dodge conversion on an armor class? has anyone ever built dodge on sentinel

maybe im missing smth

[tribal basin]

Javelin and Hammer Throw have Dex scaling ,+1 Dex = 4 Dodge = 4 Armor instead , 50 Dex = 50% Less Crit damage taken

[scenic gyro]

ah i see that makes more sense

[tribal basin]

The Grey part is just the reminder what Dex does as its base

Shield Throw scales 4% increased Damage per Dex And Str , means you still get Armor and Attack if you have Dex

[scenic gyro]

yea im cooking a shieldthrow build thats when i stumbled on this node, so it didnt make much sense

[tribal basin]

50 Str + 50 Str is 200% + 200% increased and 200 Base Armor from the Dex

[waxen nymph]

Shield Throw Hit Crit ?

The real question is CD or not CD ? ^^

[scenic gyro]

current version, yes
whats cd in this context

[waxen nymph]

Cool Down

[scenic gyro]

non cd

[waxen nymph]

Have you seen the new nodes ?

[scenic gyro]

yea thats why i wanted to go back to it and at least get my fg to 100

it will make much more sense after season 2 is out

[waxen nymph]

I like the idea of the Colossus buff

Not sure how that will play out

[slate cloak]

what pasive i need to move hammers arround me when i run?

[waxen nymph]

Orbiting

Top left in the tree

[slate cloak]

thanks

[scenic gyro]

i was actually looking at a reflect dmg angle, you get insane amounts of flat

i could hasve sworn there is a set item with reflect, but i cant find it

maybe im remembering wrong

[waxen nymph]

I dont think there is

[scenic gyro]

that might have opened the door a bit, shame

even without that, you get flat dmg in the hundreds, crit is always capped, you get almost armor cap through steal

on paper its good

[waxen nymph]

You would have to rely on bouncing on your Shields Minions for single target though

[scenic gyro]

yea i just logged in on my shield throw guy, decently geared, but single target is a snooze fest

using manifest armor, it kinda works but still meh

but thats all getting changed

[waxen nymph]

Thats why maybe cd version could be good, idk

[waxen nymph]

Bounce on you is gated behind the cd node

[scenic gyro]

we'll have to see new tree+fg passives i guess

but its definitely smth i'll try out

[covert phoenix]

I have a doubt, are echoes counting as you using a skill? For instance for jasper

[waxen nymph]

99% sure it doesn't

[scenic gyro]

id take most stuff at face value, if it says YOU casting it literally just means you, not your minions, shadows, echoes, whatever
in most cases its specified if it doesnt conform with whatever sounds intuitive

[covert phoenix]

Well, for instance, wrath of the glade, "you" are casting the thorns but from the totem positions

not exactly intuitive

[waxen nymph]

I can test that for you in an hour or so

[covert phoenix]

thanks

[eager carbon]

IIRC, they won't count for getting stacks since the hit does not originate from you but the echo itself

They do inherit the stats of the echoed skill and yours as well though

[waxen nymph]

Yep just tried it

Doesnt give you Jasper Stack

[covert phoenix]

alright, thanks

[scenic gyro]

@waxen nymph what do we think about this

never tried it cause i think removing block is trolling yourself

but "more" sounds pretty insane

[waxen nymph]

It's actually additive with the previous node

[scenic gyro]

yea im using the previous one

[waxen nymph]

So you deal 150% More Dmg per Block

But I don't know if I want to invest in Block and not being able to block

Could be really juicy with cd

[scenic gyro]

shield bash has some interesting nodes, so i am running around with 190% block at times, thats an insane multiplier

[waxen nymph]

Since you will able to block for a while

[scenic gyro]

maybe with reworked health regen there is some room to work with here

[austere coral]

LMAO! I only now noticed "Rygar", nice easter egg

[waxen nymph]

?

[austere coral]

Rygar is video game series from 80s, main character of which fights with throwable shield

[tropic grotto]

Haste grants block INSTEAD of movement 😭

[turbid dome]

+10% block chance is a lot

[waxen nymph]

30% is nicer Oo

Could it be time for Bleed Shield Throw , Torkefin + Flayer Pride ?

[lyric lintel]

I also plan to try some shield throw build, as usual. But for now I look into Sigeon's Reprisal + Sword Catcher combo. Main idea is to have max parry, a lot of HP and dmg mitigation as main source of survivability (in theory every third hit should heal me to full). Shield throw only for passive retaliation. But for now, have no idea how to handle big guys like Aberroth 😦 Other than that, I think even 500 corruption will eb possible with good gear

Any ideas on how to improve single target with such setup? Or I'm as always trying the impossible?)))

[winter copper]

under 800 anything can be countered with 2 red rings and titan heart

🙂

[lyric lintel]

I'm actually curios if Titan Heart will work with 2h + shield)

[winter copper]

only ehg with patchnotes can improve it, also i dont see why u cant cap block with new 2h node as long as u find haste generator

even on sigeon

[waxen nymph]

Shield Throw can give you Haste

Well in 1.1 at least

[winter copper]

sigils+ring of shiled+t7 slam+passives+blessing+2hnode

[winter copper]

it will

[lyric lintel]

I'm not worried about block chance cap. Pretty sure it's possible. I'm worried about having a chance to kill at least normal Abberoth) Last time I've tried this with similar tanky build, I just didn't have the damage to compensate lack of my skill on last stage))) It took me maybe 5-10 minutes to get him to 20% and then get oneshotted 😄

[winter copper]

ok hear me out i just got a COOK

[lyric lintel]

That's actually crazy!

[winter copper]

u forget abt spamming shiled throw, you go sigeon+sword catcher, u go the crazy ricochet node the new on on shield throw, becuase it is gated behind cd node but sigeon will most likely ignore cd, and as main skill u use rive or multistrike or vengeance iron blades, idea is u go 2h melee JIGACHAD that spams shields out of it passively

[lyric lintel]

I have also some ideas with the amulet to transfer void dmage to fire, and some passive that reduces fire damage taken a lot

[waxen nymph]

And you cant kill a boss because they dont hit you fast enough ^^

[lyric lintel]

That's my plan, but I'm still worried about the damage to bosses

[winter copper]

sword catcher+rive or multistrike= set up for success

no way itll be low dps

[waxen nymph]

But then you are planning on splitting your Dmg type ? Throw and Melee ?

[winter copper]

yess

and go full str stacking

[lyric lintel]

Does it mean we are restricted to physical only type of damage or fire will be possible? Rive needs to be physical, right?

[winter copper]

to scale both

[winter copper]

well u are FG what kind of rive u can play lol

but ye i think multistrike would be way better

and itll give u more block effect so more dps for shields

for throwing dmg u only need to sacrifice flat dmg affixes since u dont need speed

[lyric lintel]

And probably crit build too, hard to think about DoTs in this setup

[winter copper]

yes crit

stack str,ez build

for idols just use all throwing crit multi since currently there is nothign for multistrike

[lyric lintel]

Well, I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my starter. Basically this was something I wanted to try anyways) Just never played with multistrike or vengenace)

[waxen nymph]

%Chance Additionnal Sword 😏

[winter copper]

ok 2 4x1 sword and 2 3x1 throwing crit

then u also snapshot manifest armor

to have immortal tank taunter

[lyric lintel]

That's too. I've already verified that parry works on FG minions))) 33% is crazy)

[winter copper]

so skills will be like MA+multi+shieldthrow+ring of shields+sigils

[winter copper]

MA snapshot is insane and can carry every melee sentinel to at least 1.5k cor imo people just dont abuse it now cause few know it

[lyric lintel]

I have doubts about ring of shields reducing number of ricochets on the enemy, actually. Never managed to figure out how exactly these ricochets work

[winter copper]

u can always drop it for shield bash or smth else

[lyric lintel]

I know it for some time, but too lasy to abuse it) Also will need to think about how do that too) Too much brain work for me)

[winter copper]

OK NEXT COOK

u go shield throw+bash

same with sigeon

and abuse shsiel bash to give all your procs +5 richotes

but u dont go 2h

[lyric lintel]

Tried exactly this one last season. Basically the same kind of problem, other than that works just beautiful

[winter copper]

wdym? u couldnt do good dmg on sheild bash???

send planner thats literally impossible

[lyric lintel]

I'm prettu sure, I didn't go far enough to get good gear and try big bosses.

[winter copper]

did u start with it?

its a bad starter ye

[lyric lintel]

Don't remember honestly

[winter copper]

u only play it when u get 1LP flat crit slammed axe

[junior wren]

you could do void too. shield throw has an idol that converts to void, and rive will have a void version in 1.2.

[lyric lintel]

Actually maybe it was another reason, maybe it was first hardcore character))) Was too afraid to die 😄 You can check the stats for SleePoker account. Shield character name. Definetely nto hte best gear

Yeah, pretty sure I just got bored or something) But it worked really good with some problems on bosses

[scenic gyro]

how does this work with throwing attacks, lets say they have 20 cost but it's reduced to 0 through gear affixes
does it count how much it costs on paper or how much is consumed on usage

[lyric lintel]

Never managed to figure out. My assumption consumed on usage

[scenic gyro]

guess its the latter, since tooltip says 0 manacost as well

[waxen nymph]

Check the Mana cost on the tooltip

[scenic gyro]

yea ^^

[junior wren]

it doesn't work on consumed mana, apparently judgement's pious offering doesn't work with it

[lyric lintel]

Because if the other way around doesn't make sense, since there ways to increase cost of skill

[waxen nymph]

Consumed =/= Mana Cost

[junior wren]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message Mike to the rescue

[scenic gyro]

so it does work

[waxen nymph]

It works if the mana cost is not 0

You said you reduced the mana cost to 0 with affixes on gear

[scenic gyro]

i see

[elder frost]

could someone inform me of how large is the armour clad damage reduction area?

[waxen nymph]

You need to have ST have a Mana Cost

[scenic gyro]

so ideally it would be 1 mana cost after all gear

[waxen nymph]

Whats the wording ?

Nearby ?

[scenic gyro]

meh that bricks the whole no cd setup

[elder frost]

yes, nearby

[junior wren]

well, if one small missing % more multiplier bricks your setup, I'd argue it wasn't very good in the first place

[scenic gyro]

? im talking bout the skill tree

[waxen nymph]

Nearby is 6 meters (go the the dummies training ground, the circles around the single dummies is 6m)

[lyric lintel]

In context of this passive and ST, I guess we have to usually choose between two options. You cast it directly without bonuses of Crushing Blows passive. Or cast indirectly with Sigeons and can go crazy in the skill tree 🙂

[elder frost]

Thank you!

[gusty abyss]

The cool thing is, that axe throw mana cost is increased by Shield breaker. So while Mike states that its only 4, you can make it 22

[scenic gyro]

good point

[winter copper]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/i44hu0zg here ez planner

[waxen nymph]

🤢 Maxroll Planner

[winter copper]

best planner cause of this option

[scenic gyro]

does -mana cost from skilltree also "not" apply to crushing blows

[junior wren]

oh no, you definitely can't store another build for your manifest armor on LEtools. Oh wait 😄

[waxen nymph]

Crushing Blow look at the final actual Mana Cost, the one shown in the tooltip

So from the skill tree will count

[winter copper]

ya but itss annoying cause like my planners usually have 4 variations and copypasting everyhing and changing gear passive each time is tedious, in maxroll its couple clicks and all in one place

[waxen nymph]

Just so ugly

[junior wren]

I click my link for my MA variation, edit it, save it. it's a couple clicks 😛

[alpine canopy]

All mana cost changes apply, regardless of whether or not you actually even pay the mana cost

[waxen nymph]

Also MA Snapshot 🤢 🤢

[alpine canopy]

(Note that crushing blows is very different from every other mana cost scaling thing we have afaik)

[winter copper]

i snapshot it on my erasing strike too

its insane

[junior wren]

can't wait for maxroll to introduce buffs. Maybe when I can see my stats with 20 stacks of ambition I'd give it a try

[waxen nymph]

I am sure, but I dont think it should be in the game, and will be nuke one day (hopefully)

[junior wren]

here's hoping that LEtools fixes their missing ones too (sigils of hope)

[winter copper]

😏

[gusty abyss]

20s ramp time is long though

[junior wren]

oo, where is that

[lyric lintel]

That's definitely a build I can recommend if you don't want to even try dodging anything))) The safest build played in LE) And it's not even close to perfect gear in the planner)

[winter copper]

ye idk how much u play so put day 1 gear

this node+sigeons

👀

[junior wren]

bummer, it also doesn't have sigils of hope 😄

[winter copper]

kekekw

tbf they dont do much like on minmaxed build its 10% dmg at most, block is the real power of sigils

[junior wren]

30 flat fire is more than 10%

[winter copper]

depends on your gear 😅

they added a lot of op items like falcon fists

[junior wren]

there's also up to 125% increased (up to 200% void)

and in my case, up to 150% increased healing

sigils is pretty good 🙂

[gusty abyss]

300% increased health regen with new health regen affixes is going to be something, 375 endurance treshold is also actually decent

[junior wren]

only 200% in 1.2

[alpine canopy]

On that note, if only we had a cold conversion for symbols

[gusty abyss]

they beat us to it 😅

[junior wren]

I feel like lightning conversion is missing in there

[alpine canopy]

If they give a lot of juicy regen in sentinel to where it comes close at all to primalist, shattered lance could be viable

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, branch off from ignite chance for conversion to lightning to go with the electrify theme

[junior wren]

yes!

although both smite and javelin already convert ignite to electrify 🤔

but the flat fire isn't converted

damn VK getting all the good stuff

void sigils

but sparky boi pally gets one measly crit passive

[harsh nova]

are there more teasers 👮

[alpine canopy]

Electrify is getting more stuff, too

[harsh nova]

need my VK fix

poe2 warrior trash, VK good

[alpine canopy]

There's electrify chance affix on chest and helm and they hinted at other passives for it

[harsh nova]

electric devo orb time

[alpine canopy]

mostly locked to lightning-tagged skills though, which is probably why they don't give symbols a lightning conversion

[junior wren]

that's static orb from mage 😄

[junior wren]

which sucks for divine bolts and electrify HH

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, that new focus amulet pretty much rules out lightning warpath

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, but HH is good anyway since it's basically free spread for non-jav builds

[junior wren]

well, what non-jav builds that use electrify are there? 😄

[alpine canopy]

Melee

[gusty abyss]

multistrike smite?

[junior wren]

you mean the smite that spreads electrify itself via lightning smite that hits multiple targets?

[alpine canopy]

Those electrifies can then each spread to all

and you'll be applying electrify with the melee hits you do, too

even if they aren't the best since we don't have a lightning melee (yet?)

[tribal basin]

Hold on .. Crushing Blows never worked with Pious Path ?

[waxen nymph]

Pious Path ?

[scenic gyro]

the mana pump node from judgement

[tribal basin]

Yeah , the Judgment node that lets it use % more mana for more Damage

[waxen nymph]

Pious Offering ?
But no matter the name, no never

[wise hazel]

Tried searching, couldn't find an answer. Does Coup de Grace on Rive work against bosses?

[waxen nymph]

Because Mana Cost is not Mana Consumed

[tribal basin]

Explains how my damage was somehow capped at 4 Million

[waxen nymph]

Yes, no reason it should not

[waxen nymph]

It does work with Judgment Mana Cost though

[elder frost]

my understanding is that you have to take the urgent inquisition to make mana cost apply to pious offering

[waxen nymph]

Nope

Pious Offering consume a portion of your Mana
Urgent Inquisition adds a flat 40 to the cost

2 different mechanic here

[gusty abyss]

It specifically mentions you need it though...

[elder frost]

but the way its written it seems like it only applies if you take it

[waxen nymph]

Oo

[waxen nymph]

It says Mana Cost on the bottom line

[elder frost]

"its mana cost now count as mana consumed

[waxen nymph]

Oo Oo Oo

[scenic gyro]

counts towards i would say, not that it technically turn into just "mana consumed"

so you get dmg bonus for the 40 mana extra

[waxen nymph]

Well, I stand corrected

[gusty abyss]

Pious offering would be better if it read "per **current **mana consumed"

[waxen nymph]

I always read the bottom line and trusted it, never bother with the text above, some times they are wrong

[waxen nymph]

Its getting changed for Max Mana I believe

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, obiously update the tooltip according the the new changes accordingly

[junior wren]

It is two different mechanics.

"its mana cost now counts as mana consumed for the effect of the Pious Offering node" says that judgement's base mana cost is now counted for the purpose of calculating % more dmg multiplier from Pious Offering.

However, that has no bearing on the effect of Crushing Blows, which takes the skill's current mana cost and gives you a different % more dmg multiplier.

judgement's mana cost does change after you take Urgent Inquisition, so Crushing Blows will give you 55/2=27.5% more dmg multiplier (or less depending on how much your current mana cost of Judgement is)

[steep skiff]

hey all, does the devouring blade* passive work for minions? or is it only damage your character does?

[waxen nymph]

Only you

[steep skiff]

ok thanks

[left parcel]

Is it worth starting a new Sentinel? Or waiting for the rework? On the 17th?

[waxen nymph]

I would wait personnaly but up to you
If you want to have a feel of the skill, and get the leveling done once to see where you are going

[left parcel]

That's fair

[waxen nymph]

I am playing Primalist in the mean time

[left parcel]

I'm looking at Rogue atm

It's pretty fun

[clever hazel]

I hope we're getting lightning/electrify conversion on more skills

skill screen from when karv showed sentinel gameplay seems to only indicate javelin and smite with lightning conversion which is a bit sad

[waxen nymph]

Do you have it?

[clever hazel]

a picture of the skill screen?

I have the VOD downloaded lol

[waxen nymph]

Does Shield Throw shows a Void Icon ?

[clever hazel]

just physical and fire on there, one second

[waxen nymph]

Maybe there are some new conversion in idols

Since there is one for Shield Throw but it doesn't show here

[real patrol]

healing hands needs lightning conversion 100%, symbols needs it asap

[clever hazel]

lightning/electrify conversion for shield throw would be very nice, I wouldn't mind using that on a cooldown paired with javelin

and agreed, I asked mike about healing hands and he didn't think it was going to happen

[real patrol]

that doesnt even make sense, they want paladin to be lightning but give it no lightning

[clever hazel]

yeah, it's kinda crazy how little lightning support there is lol

void knight: all of their skills can be void
forge guard: all of their skills are physical/fire
paladin: best we can do is a bit of void and fire, sorry

[real patrol]

yeah sigils being stronger for void than fire is insane

[gusty abyss]

To be fair, they are saying electrify.

[real patrol]

ok but they add a node that says electrify for lightning skills

[analog steppe]

funny part is healing hands does have electrify support in it, just not a conversion to allow it to work with the new affixes

I think the problem is that the skill itself isn't a damage skill, and the fire damage it does doesn't cause it to be a fire skill

[gusty abyss]

It does become fire?

[analog steppe]

It "says" it has the tag, but unless they fixed that in a patch it didnt gain +levels from items that say +levels to fire skills

[gusty abyss]

• levels absolutly works

[analog steppe]

ok well they must have fixed it, I played it when HH was first given a skill

[scenic gyro]

forgot how unplayable sigils are without the ring

[junior wren]

It's pretty manageable with the instant cast node and also on a high cast speed build

but we don't need to worry about that after 1.2

[alpine canopy]

That's a bug tbf, item-only conversions do usually have an icon

[alpine canopy]

I really badly want a lightning hammer throw. Along with the hammer chaining reworked and have lightning incentivize going down the chaining path.

We have +lightning dmg for hammer throw idols already, but no way to reasonably use them to live out our thor fantasy

[turbid dome]

hammer throw is converted to lightning

hammers have lightning lines going between them that hurt enemies

[smoky shoal]

Well my vk, both paladins, and sorc killed aberoth. What should I do next? Looking for build suggestions

[turbid dome]

have you done infinite erasing strike vk?

[smoky shoal]

I've never gotten world splitter lol

[turbid dome]

rip

[smoky shoal]

Yeah my vk is warpath. That was a pita to kill a aberroth for me

[turbid dome]

understandable

[inland quarry]

I think symbols of hope will replace the old volatile reversal as a 'must have' skill for every build

not that I mind though, sentinels FREAKING NEED THAT

[turbid dome]

yeah

[inland quarry]

WE NEED A REASON TO NOT ABANDON SENTINEL

[turbid dome]

happy that the probably must have skill doesn't require heavy positioning

[smoky shoal]

I do love sentinel but I'm kinda burned on the available builds. That's why I made a sorc. But once I got the uniques slammed it made me fall asleep lol

[inland quarry]

i played the hell out of all the other classes except sentinel, and especially forgeguard. i've always ditched sentinel after getting to around 80. but this next league i want to play sentinel more than the other classes.

[smoky shoal]

I'll probably make another paladin next cycle. But I have to jump on the bandwagon and try out heartseeker. it just looks too cool not to

[inland quarry]

i'm going sentinel/forgeguard first this time around. if it's ass like I think it's going to be when i hit 80, i'm going to either swipe or heartseeker.

[turbid dome]

I’m excited to use a shield on vk

Gonna try some shield throw time rot dot

[inland quarry]

what's new with shield on vk? couldn't you always already do that?

[rigid dragon]

soo coming back to last epoch for season 2, do you think sentinel will finally be able to be in the top dps like all those broken builds from rogue/acolyte/mage etc or nah still just normal gameplay

[turbid dome]

Forgotten knight set shield, 50% less void dmg taken on block

New vk node converts incoming ele dmg to void

[inland quarry]

i'm hopeful but not really

[turbid dome]

Basically 50% less void dmg taken on block becomes 25% less ele dmg taken on block

[smoky shoal]

Electrify synergy is probably going to be pretty good

[turbid dome]

rough math

[inland quarry]

gotcha

[rigid dragon]

so we are more tanky now but damage still low?

[turbid dome]

Time rot for raw damage is going to be better with the new node for it

[inland quarry]

that's what it seems like. sentinel will finally be as tanky as a mage, but not as dps-y.

[turbid dome]

But in general yeah using a shield means less dmg but more not die

[analog steppe]

Time Rot picks up a triple more multiplier node in the passives, gonna be exciting to see how far it can be pushed

[turbid dome]

Yea

That node is going to be doing a lot of heavy lifting

Unless there’s some un revealed way to up the time rot cap

[rigid dragon]

so what build then works with this node since its going to be the carry

[analog steppe]

The way it was explained they don’t want to increase the cap for time rot and the mores are supposed to be its scalar

[turbid dome]

I was thinking shield throw + smite on throwing hit, using the forgotten knight set since it’s all about time rot dmg

[turbid dome]

Yea

[rigid dragon]

this is as void knight yeh not forgeknight

[alpine canopy]

Does shield throw have any decent more multis? I guess it's getting a big tree shakeup, I haven't been keeping tabs on it too much

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

Great question

[rigid dragon]

well if you happen to get a build guide up id really appreciate it closer to the date

[alpine canopy]

Hammer throw can get the same multiplier as smite, pretty sure the double damage chance is still applying to ailments, and it's really effective at both single target and clear

[turbid dome]

Maybe I’ll just hard cast smite

[rigid dragon]

is Maxroll good or nah

[alpine canopy]

Really wouldn't even need smite I guess in that case, should be easy to cap stacks with hamemrs alone

[turbid dome]

Max roll guides are great starters

Tho most tend to have tweaks you can do to make it better

[smoky shoal]

Javelin/smite/electrify was teased as being really synergetic

[analog steppe]

I wonder if the new devouring orb VR thing will work for timerot stacks?

[turbid dome]

The make them younger?

[alpine canopy]

The combining node thing

[analog steppe]

The teleporting a bunch into one spot and exploding them all at once part

[turbid dome]

ah

I think I might slap orbiting + auto cast + hollow orb onto most of my vk builds

[alpine canopy]

how well dorb can utilize that for time rot will determine if it's the boss dps or not

[analog steppe]

My extent of sentinel characters so far was playing self cast electrify smite and then rive Hh melee back in 1.0

[turbid dome]

I was meaning that more so in general as most vk builds will have a good amount of vitality for flat dmg and a good amount of increased void dmg

just slap auto dorb with the hollow orb shooty node for free damage

[alpine canopy]

My comment was referring to the combining dorbs node, I probably should have been more specific lol

[turbid dome]

ah

dorb gaming

[analog steppe]

I’ll definitely try out the combining orbs thing, looks interesting

Nothing can be as painful as when I tried to make Falcon Fists cinder strike work lol

[polar spire]

LOL

TRUE

you look at it and think oh wow this should be cool just like slam judgement paladin

but N O P E

[polar spire]

the best part about the falcon fists is the part where you dont even use them for their intended purpose

instead you use them on Sentinel as a mini wings that isnt hard to get 4lp and has bonus melee fire that also affectsyour minions alongside the big AS boost

literally falcon fists are just a better wing guards

ive used falcon fists on WAY too many builds now purely for the AS and melee fire and the fact its crazy easy to get 3/4lp on em

it reminds me of meteor belt back when it had flat crit and people used the belt purely for the crit

and now phantom grip rings exist, which ALSO have flat crit, but i guess ehg don't bat an eye at that

[turbid dome]

On one hand it’s peak arpg to use something for not its intended purpose

On the other hand its intended purpose should work

[alpine canopy]

I think it's more of a cinder strike issue than falcon fist

If cinder strike was a decent skill, the unarmed approach would probably work fine

[polar spire]

it is a decent skill

ive made 3 hilariously op builds with its current rendition

i hope to make many more stupid crap with lots of dumb skills people view as bad as more and more new uniques come out

i will admit, i tried SO HARD to make tempest whatever it was called work, and even i couldnt make it work before its rework

[covert phoenix]

don't worry, everyone else is doing the same to sentinel uniques haha

[polar spire]

oh im sure

mage spellblade with 2h sentinel uniques goes brrr

[covert phoenix]

also, you know, hands of judgement

"free" T7 attunement affix that you can stack with another attunement affix while being lvl 16 LPL

[junior wren]

when I first looked at cinder strike, I was like "where damage?" 😄 very different from my first look at judgement

[rigid dragon]

I'm just hoping Vk will do some crazy shit for once

[uneven gorge]

Sorry, but how? I've genuinely tried in multiple different ways, and no matter what it just doesn't do damage. I've tried crit hit, ignite, burning daggers, but they all can't keep up with even my basic fireball build

[waxen nymph]

@scenic gyro

[scenic gyro]

thats a sexy boi

[waxen nymph]

I saw it on the ground, thought about your Warpath FG

[scenic gyro]

definitely a keeper

that implicit roll is also criminal

[scenic gyro]

how would you personaly approach crafting with this
i always go for the chaos gamble+seal, fail both of those and get sad
safest would be seal fire and have a good 4 stat item, but i never do that on potentialy bis items

probably imprint it in the weavers web before touching it for season 2 would be my guess

but not sure how good that entire system is gonna be

[waxen nymph]

Tbh its going to rot in my stach

[scenic gyro]

the fate of most items

i still have 0.9 double exalted items collecting dust somewhere cause those were insanely rare at that time

[waxen nymph]

But if I were to craft it
-> Try seal the Fire Dmg
-> Add AS
-> Up Frailty
-> Chaos Stun

[scenic gyro]

not a fan of base crit?

[waxen nymph]

Well in that case we would be pairing with a Sword

And Warpath gives 10% Base already

[scenic gyro]

fair enough

[waxen nymph]

But thats a fair point, Base Crit would be nice too

[scenic gyro]

the amount of phy pen mace gives through passives should be forbidden

[turbid dome]

YOLO rune of removal

[scenic gyro]

straight to jail with you

[gusty abyss]

I would as well, honestly

[turbid dome]

Ok fine, seal the fire damage then yolo removal for the frailty/stun chance

[gusty abyss]

Probably removal twice, hoping to remove the fire and a suffix. Then seal crit craft AS and pen

But I have high standards 😄

[turbid dome]

Nah that’s a solid thing to go for on that mace

[turbid dome]

Solid boots

[waxen nymph]

They are for my Primalist but 😄

[turbid dome]

“For my primalist”

That’s for anyone

[waxen nymph]

🐦‍⬛ 🌩️ 🐦‍⬛🌩️ 🐦‍⬛🌩️ 🐦‍⬛🌩️ 🐦‍⬛🌩️

[wise hazel]

Finally got an Apathy's Maw to drop (I'm new) and got a Shattered Chains at the same time! 🤘

[waxen nymph]

Welcome to the Melee Club

[smoky shoal]

I was bored after getting all four of my characters to aberroth and killing him. I'm working on a stygian coal lich. I have to say it's kind of fun. It's not my favorite but mechanics are interesting

[inland quarry]

Lol dr3adful just released a LE vid. Even he is disappointed with the sentinel updates

Carn as well, he's not touching sentinel

[smoky shoal]

Is there new info since the ghazzy interview?

Dread has been playing for years. He makes some good points but I don't think it's going to be all doom and gloom just yet

[uneven gorge]

It'd be real funny if there's like 1 new passive that makes sentinel the best class ever, we just don't know it yet

[real patrol]

That would involve putting on the sentinel tree

We can’t have that now can we

[covert phoenix]

On the other hand

[analog steppe]

most of the passives we have seen are pretty awesome, time rot and electrify both getting huge buffs, the 2H+Shield is great if you look at it from the perspective of upgrading from 1H+Shield (not so great if your perspective is from 2H+nothing)

[covert phoenix]

The thing I would really dislike

is having a new round of "rework" on new classes/mastery every patch, making them the new FOTM and powercreeping the old masteries

which are then reworked the next patch, powercreeping again and again

if they did hit the brakes somehow on the sentinel rework, i'm fine with that

[smoky shoal]

That's arpg's. D3, poe1, d4 are prime examples of seasons turning certain builds up and others down. My issue is variety and I'm hoping the reworks bring more variety to the game

As with all arpg games my biggest fear is when devs nerf a fun build into the ground and never fix it. I.E. uliana exploding palm from D3. After 1 season of s-tier it's solidly been D or F since

[waxen nymph]

They can be reworking without powercreeping

I have to admit rn its not really the case

[uneven gorge]

yeah, it's not like sentinel is getting a huge wave of buffs, it's losing like half its damage potential and lightly peppering it elsewhere

[smoky shoal]

I will say for better or worse the devs atleast play the game. But that comes with it's own pit falls lol

[umbral breach]

does anyone theorycrafted a javelin build with Sierpin's Fractal Tree (dex stacking)?

[waxen nymph]

Not yet since we dont have the passive tree

But I amplanning on starting that

[covert phoenix]

I don't get it, don't you have the same effect inthe tree already?

[umbral breach]

what skills are you planning to use? I was thinking about lunge, healing hands, ring of shields or symbols of hope. i didn't decide yet which i want to use

[fluid sparrow]

Symbols! :p

(sorry)

[umbral breach]

Dex stacking may be good. Forge guard has some dex stacking passive nodes. I dont know what happens when you have more spears than enemies around. Does more spears can target same monster?

[gusty abyss]

no shotgunning with the spears, only with siege barrage

[umbral breach]

So with siege barrage there is possibility of 7 spear shotgunning per attack?

[covert phoenix]

no, just 3

[gusty abyss]

3+2=5 spears with siege barrage, increased AOE means less overlap

[umbral breach]

spiked bombardment add 2?

[gusty abyss]

So it will be a balancing act. To much dex means to much AOE meaning less single target

[umbral breach]

Javelin scales with aoe without aoe tag in skill scaling tags?

[umbral breach]

Oh right. It gives aoe tag

[alpine canopy]

Does AoE actually increase the area the spears fall in? Usually area only increases damaging areas, so it would just be more overlap

[gusty abyss]

When I tried, the spread also increased

so total area affected increased, but in single target, especially smaller enemies, less overlap

[alpine canopy]

Very odd

[waxen nymph]

Symbols, RoS, HH traversal,

Not sure for the last

[turbid dome]

would of expected the falling area to increase, but also the size of the spears that fall down to proportionally increase for the same overlap space

[umbral breach]

yeah the last one is mind boggling

[waxen nymph]

It's locked behind lightning conversion and cost 4+ pts and increase the mana cost

[waxen nymph]

Rebuke

[umbral breach]

why not smite as buff with idol - "Chance to cast Smite on hit with throwing attacks"?

[waxen nymph]

Because there are Throwing Crit Multi idols

[umbral breach]

it's up to 26% so maybe just one idol is enough and we have idol rework in 1.2

[waxen nymph]

And I feel like Smite wouldn't do too much here

We have no Flat Spell

[gusty abyss]

Works out though? 😄

Smite would be extra hits to apply ailments with, attack speed, cleanse, healing. Its not that big.

[waxen nymph]

For Electrify sure

For Crit Javelin I don't really see it

[chilly wasp]

hello just rolled a bleed paladin and I must say, pretty fun experience.
what I'm always wondering is how holy aura activation applies damage.
Does it snapshot the damage increase to all hammer i throw during the 4 seconds activation, and the hammer conserve the damage until expiration? or does it apply damage to the hammers that are already flying and the damage buff expires on everything at the end of aura active effect?

[alpine canopy]

Hammer damage is calculated when thrown only, so it snapshots onto all hammers you throw in those 4s

[waxen nymph]

Maybe Abyssal Echoes

Fat Armor Shred there

[alpine canopy]

Agreed, but specced smite with rebuke on the bar is better than just specced rebuke imo, if you can give up an idol prefix or two

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, not a bad pick. Nether coating is solid

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, AE would be for nether coating, the armor shred will fall behind a smite idol

[umbral breach]

Manifest armor whirlwind + armor shred. Don't fight alone?

[waxen nymph]

I am trying to brain storm a Shield Throw build with cooldown, and 2h+shield but I can't think of a good 2h that would do anything for Shield Throw

I thought of Torkefin + Flayer Pride for a Bleed version

[gusty abyss]

I was thinking vulcanos with the fire version could be a thing

[waxen nymph]

But Torkefin is more for Melee Hit

Oo

Dreamthorn for the Void Conversion

40%Pen
Up to 20%'block

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, 2h bleed stuff is more focused on melee unfortunately

[waxen nymph]

Leviathan Carver could be nice

[scenic gyro]

str stacker and maybe youc an slap a good champ/set affix on it

[noble zenith]

Cant wait for the patch notes, i want to make a javadin build

[waxen nymph]

It does get Bleed Chance per Phys Res on Throwing Attack, but you miss the bleed chance on the weapon
Would require a slam

Torch of the Pontifex for an ignite version ?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

Black blade for a dex stacking void version?

I had the thought to run that on disintegrating hammers a while back, could work here maybe also

Actually might run black blade on VK time rot, I just realized that's a ton of TR chance lol

[alpine canopy]

I think you'd lose a lot of damage on this compared to firestarter

[waxen nymph]

Hum probably

[analog steppe]

hard to use a 2h on VK TR because then you lose out on that sexy set bonus for more TR damage

[waxen nymph]

Set viable 🦆❤️a dream come true

[analog steppe]

50 void pen and 36% more damage for the set seems crazy good

now that you can put those on real items

[gusty abyss]

Depends what you are doing with TR, if you go for 12 application on a single hit, then set might not even be the play

[analog steppe]

why not? the set is just pure damage stats

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, we'll see how it goes

Black blade can give way more void pen than the set

[gusty abyss]

Cant have generic timerot during down time ( if you need to say, cast fire smite to regain mana)

[alpine canopy]

and also you can use VC with black blade

(though VR might be BiS anyway, no clue what it will have)

[pearl jasper]

guys, im at endgame with void knight
what are some good/fun builds

[turbid dome]

true the funny bone club becomes super interesting with it

if you entirely ignore the bleed chance on this one, the bleed duration applies to any kind of bleed

[alpine canopy]

If only nemesis bases existed

[turbid dome]

Theres also Radiant Axe, Avenged Raptor Spear and Deicide Lance

for the other two handers that have a not just melee implicit

[turbid dome]

my pain trying to get the sceptre for void wizard

but flayers pride + Avenged Great Macuahuitl is probably a solid start

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, though Torkrefin is still a solid option since you can get a good amount of bleed pen + chance from it

even for throwing attacks

[turbid dome]

yea

[waxen nymph]

Didnt noticed this

Thats looks like Maehlin Hubris on your Weapon !!

[turbid dome]

114% increased fire damage over time

100% of bleed chance converted to ignite chance

we chance?

or did "ignite chance" get wrapped down to the next line

[waxen nymph]

Looks like its on a second line

[turbid dome]

looking closer yeah that seems like a T

I wonder if theres something extra on the wording of that line then cause only chance gets wrapped on hubris

[waxen nymph]

Ok, Ill frame by frame the teaser

[turbid dome]

I hope theres a champ affix that converts something to future strike chance

[waxen nymph]

The frame before

[clever hazel]

maybe they'll add that affix in the future 🙃

[waxen nymph]

Its not all the bleed chance though

Thats 17% Conversion yikes

[clever hazel]

it probably scales based on affix tier, but yeah that's quite low

[waxen nymph]

Problem 114% Fire Dot is already quite high

Sure we need to see how that scale but I am a bit worried now ^^

I was excited 3 minutes ago

[tribal basin]

AMPIO

[waxen nymph]

Shame its on a Primalist relic

Would have been nice for the new paladin electrify node

[alpine canopy]

I think the one shown is 47%

I'd bet at T7 it scales up to 100%, at least on a 2h

[turbid dome]

Imagine if it scales up to like 140%

[alpine canopy]

Caps at 100%, chance over does nothing except let you roll a perfect roll easier

I'm guessing it might look like crit avoid, but maybe only T7 is 100%-100%:

idk

[waxen nymph]

Its a 1