🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

So having like 50 of them helps a lot when theory crafting

Plus items barely sell for anything

[worn sluice]

but peernament red crap then dont worth to take on inventory ye?

[turbid dome]

Just cause the added affixes are bad for your current build doesn’t mean their bad for every build

[tawdry quail]

hello i play a voidknight with erasing strike and i keep failing at orobyss

should i respec and use rebuke?

[turbid dome]

Link your build

If you don’t know how, go to last epoch tools -> build planner -> hit the import button -> then click the share button and slap the link in here

[worn sluice]

i play like 6 h and no done this ? bug or very rare?

2 items same situatiom

cant upgrade potential

[turbid dome]

legendary potentinal doesn't upgrade like weavers will

you gotta use the eternity cache at the end of the temporal sanctum dungeon

you put in the unique with LP and an exalted item for the same slot (in this case a ring) and the cache will yoink affixes from the exalted item equal to its LP

so in this case 1

[worn sluice]

so temporal sanctum dung ok know it

danke

[fickle reef]

hey guys, does anyone know if the Prayer Paladin passive node procs if you proc healing hands with cleric's hammer? or does it need to be a direct cast heal?

[alpine canopy]

It works regardless of how you heal, but it does need to actually heal (like, won't work when trying to heal someone on full health)

Sentinel spoiler from today

[winter copper]

👎

this means either

1. vengeace is bad/very mediocre without it and its mandatory, since it can provide 70-90% more dmg
   2)vengeance good without it and opop with it
2. playable only with this spear and only on FG
   either way not hyped

the unique design like this skill deals xxx% more dmg(insert absurd number over 50) is strange to me tbh

same thing as shield bash...barely playable without new axe and then only with LP

[winter copper]

would be way cooler if that more dmg was put as a node on skill tree instead

[alpine canopy]

I think that's a little extreme, it's not a high dps base or anything and I would be highly surprised if vengeance becomes a good single target skill even with double damage after whatever changes come in the season.

It does seem like a very interesting item though.
The obvious synergy is with the FG-only passive that lets you equip a shield with it - we'll see how that looks once we know the downside it has.
There is also the possibility of it being fun for holy trail, granted it's a retaliation thing, but seems like it would let you circumvent the cooldown and would make vengeance a good spam during jav cooldown.

[austere coral]

Pilum Assault on Lunge allows you to bypass Holy Trail cooldown and spam more trails, so I don't see why it would ignore that here too

[winter copper]

100+ base sound plenty to me

and we dont kmnow max roll

[alpine canopy]

Agreed, when procs don't mention cooldown specifically, cooldowns are ignored (not sure why Mike answered differently in the dev channel)

[alpine canopy]

It's like an okay damage for a white spear base, but also has weak attack speed and no flat crit / crit multi. I just slapped together a silly perfect gear planner just for fun to see what kind of block chance it's possible to get to currently, and it's around 268% - obviously it takes massive investment to get there, but that would be about a 265% more damage multiplier for vengeance when accounting for the little extra block chance on the spear.
After all that, it basically makes vengeance a 365% base damage effectiveness attack, which is... decent. I don't think it's going to blow anything out of the water at those numbers tbh. Obviously a lot of this is TBD based on sentinel changes though.

[winter copper]

it wont be as bad as shield bash but up there, block is a must and even damage wise u can get a lot of flat from sigils and passives which will get boosted

but ye too early to tell i just dont like uniques saying this skill does double dmg

[late sierra]

What are some decent skills to use for Palarus' Sacred Light with?

It seems super cool but feels odd that it wants you to both cast it directly and not

I'm looking to avoid warpath since I do that every build eventually

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that's fair. You can reach 100% block with just the spear, a good shield, and some block chance on rings/gloves or a legendary slam, not sure if it'll even let you scale beyond 100% since existing block chance scaling seems not to. Requires you to be FG either way.

[uneven gorge]

I like the concept. You also have to keep in mind it's competing with renegade's will, which is a pretty cracked item by itself. Plus if you want to use a shield with that you'd have the unknown downside of that

[alpine canopy]

You can either directly cast it, or use something like multistrike, rive, or even vengeance along with HH

[late sierra]

HH?

[alpine canopy]

healing hands

It's another spell (or melee attack) that you can proc with melee attacks, technically you can even proc it as a melee attack when you directly cast smite, thus getting both direct smite casts and melee hits at the same time - not sure if that's a good way to do it or not though, haven't tried this way

[late sierra]

~~How do you do proc it as a melee attack when you cast smite?~~disregard, found the node

Think I'll try that, thank you!!

[sly magnet]

babblingbike did this in a recent smite build and it worked great. idk what corruption this is but the rarity is near 1300, so it's pretty high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acIjJuMMoBg

[woven temple]

I recently found that vengeance is actually great cause it's a mana regen skill that gives you 25+18% less damage taken

vengeance as a damage skill? omegalul

not with this kind of a tree

[woven temple]

I've been complaining about this for years now, if this is strange to you, were you really watching closely their design decisions as of late?

[tribal basin]

So they are doing it again , making hyper specific uniques that are really only specifically used with that one thing . Diablo 3 Set illness ...

If they want people use Vengeance , then buff the baseline of the Skill

Sometimes i think some skills simply need their baseline also increase with Level and not just get another 10% more damage in a Node

The end line of this approach to uniques will be " + 3600% damage to XYZ Skill "

[worn sluice]

how i can drop this shield? i rolled alooot and no drop

[waxen nymph]

Boss drop from the Emperor of Corpse (big zombie dragon)

[waxen nymph]

For my fellow Sentinels
I was listening to Mike's stream.
"... The skill formerly known as Sigils of Hope...."

[winter copper]

https://tenor.com/view/doomer-doomer-core-doomer-wave-glitch-doomer-aesthetic-gif-5405068517955149891

[winter copper]

yess

sigils rework will be good hopefully, its qol skill

[waxen nymph]

Sigils finally doing dmg??

[winter copper]

i doubt

they did say that they wanted to remove recasting/sustaining sigils one day, im curious if they will change that and the ring

[woven temple]

when you consume sigils, get a stack of fire aura per sigil consumed

[turbid dome]

but when sigils of despair gaming

[worn sluice]

hmm where he is?

[worn sluice]

uuuu

i dumb use glyp and roll roll roll roll and nothing 😄

i must have link becasue phot sux

fropm this boss?

[worn sluice]

i almost done this map can reset ? for again spawn this boss?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[worn sluice]

i almost close this map how i can again occup this map? bc idk how i can spawn this boss

[waxen nymph]

If you kill a shade it will reset the Web

[worn sluice]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shield-bash-forge-guard-guide i try that build and see is nice but i have querstion why this build have ring of shields? not better more point to paladin for holly aura with more dmg and resist?

[winter copper]

no you do not get more dmg

you are losing on 15% block chance and 50% block effect which are biggest multipliers to damage on shield bash

[worn sluice]

hmmm okay

but

[winter copper]

also passive tree on fg is just much better for melee skill

paladin is not a melee class

[worn sluice]

2 buffs have block and+ phycisal dmg

so not less dmg? 30% x 2 buff + 2 tree?

[winter copper]

its additive not multiplicative

i think there is a language barrier here, ring of shields gives 50% INCREASED block effect, just to compare top palading build will get maybe 9k block effect, top forge guard can get 15k

[worn sluice]

hmm so im totally noovb or not understand trees:D

[winter copper]

yes

[worn sluice]

i haver 115% block chance max

so alot

[winter copper]

not block chance

block effectivness

[worn sluice]

yes but idh why need heal when i need like more dmg:D

[winter copper]

now put these 2 together

+4000 block effectivness=+200 base damage

[worn sluice]

Misha form what tree u show?

[winter copper]

1st picture froms ring of shields 2nd pictrure froms heild bash

[worn sluice]

i mean about ring of shield he have heal and i think not need heal just more dmg

aaaaaa

[winter copper]

heal doesnt matter, heal BUFFS you

[worn sluice]

if i heal i have 50% more block effetivness?

[winter copper]

the buff is what gives more dmg

yes

[worn sluice]

haha crazy now understand tnx

[tropic grotto]

How do you guys think the "battle standard" node will work with the new unique that got teased? Because if cooldown is no longer a factor the massive 250% damage increase on battle standard would be extremely nice assuming you can sustain the mana.

[alpine canopy]

Yes, but also siege barrage will work and deals more damage (+400% vs +250%)

[tropic grotto]

Oh I see because it reduces it to 1 javalin. Yeah that makes sense

Must be insanely mana hungry though. I'm thinking about using Horns of Uhkeiros too so it might not be reasonable. 😅 Especially since I figure most of the damage is going to come from vengance anyway

[alpine canopy]

It doesn't mention costing mana, so it shouldn't affect your mana at all - though we don't know if there's some alt text on there that clarifies, usually a mana cost probably wouldn't be hidden away in alt text

[tropic grotto]

Oh good point

[winter copper]

horns doesnt do much for jav

better get huge block % shield

[alpine canopy]

Sigeon's might be fun to proc more throwing attack retaliations

alternatively, if the revamped vengeance tree has any decent bleed support, there's flayer's

[tropic grotto]

I could see sigeon being really good. I mostly just figured horns for the stat stick on vengeance. It might depend how the class overhaul shakes out tho

[worn sluice]

hey what key have upgrade item form gold to red? not remmeber name

[turbid dome]

temporal sanctum

you need a temporal sanctum key to enter the dungeon, a unique (orange item) with legendary potential, and an exalted item of the same type (ie: unique ring + exalted ring, unique helmet + exalted helmet)

[worn sluice]

ok tnx for now maybe last question 😄 is drop list? i want see where i can drop some items what i need

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/

[worn sluice]

where i can drop it? on high lvl mobs?

im now 77 lvl

[turbid dome]

just kill high level mobs

exalted items just start dropping

[worn sluice]

i killed that dragon boss and no drop shield :/ i think is super rare 😄

[turbid dome]

its only in empowered monos

[worn sluice]

uuu sorry guys for so much ask .. i not know what is lp1-4

i see item +2 (not 1) so i must 2 x join to temporal sanctum yes?

[turbid dome]

nah

2 lp means it will take 2 random affixes from the exalted item

[worn sluice]

i cant kill boss chrono as 2 lvl (66 lvl items or less) what wrong or what \need resist?

[turbid dome]

void but like try to cap all your resistances

[worn sluice]

hmm ok

maybe i must use skill rebuke for 80% reduce dmg ?

[turbid dome]

wait

are you dying to the giant boss arena wide nuke

[worn sluice]

no

boos Chrono form temporal sanktuary

he almost oneshot me

because i want upgradfe my potential items

[turbid dome]

yeah what attack is the chronomancer doing

[worn sluice]

i have 75% resist void and he almost oneshot so idk why im weak maybe need more hp ?

i must look mechanism here

[tropic grotto]

My first take on what a build using the new item could look like. If you see weird double t6 items its because I already have them waiting. Obviously will use the new phalanx spear instead of the random gladius I put in the main hand slot. Again so much is up to change that its hard to gauge right now but this has been my hyper fixation today so I couldn't just let it rest.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4nmay4A

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,646, Regen: 24.2/s
▸ Mana: 117.14, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 81 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 98% / 98% / 141% / 105% / 116% / 78%
▸ EHP: 14,624 / 14,624 / 14,624 / 24,204 / 15,140 / 16,086 / 13,132

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 729
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,822)
▸ Block Chance: 67%, Mitigation: 51% (2,111)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Vengeance (26)
• Sigils Of Hope (22)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Shield Throw (24)
• Javelin (22)

Used unique items:

• Null Portent
• Nihilis
• Peak of the Mountain
• Sigeon's Reprisal

[worn sluice]

o lol ! i look video tip i must use skil "D" for chanmge form void to light map haah

[turbid dome]

oh god it was the area wide nuke

[worn sluice]

sry missunderstand i was thin on arena dungeon :)) ye ok i try now

done easy 😄

[turbid dome]

👍

[forest kelp]

Nice new spear

[worn sluice]

o have arround 60k dps shield bash max is good dmg ax 79 lvl ?

[viral smelt]

do we have a compiled thread about the sentinel rework leaks/teasers?

looks like the #eterra-monthly has it

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, plus new spear posted above

[river raptor]

Got me a neat event horizon \o/

Apart from smelters wrath, is there any sentinel builds that enjoy using that weapon?

Mastery doesn't matter

Thinking some rive build maybe, or judgement? Are there others that doesn't want void cleave or lots of movement?

[river raptor]

Also a forge guard question.. I'd I got the scrap metal node from rive, does all things that buffs forged weapons apply to rive then?

[waxen nymph]

Problem Rive is you want a lot of Attack Speed, and those Dilation stacks will be quite annoying

[waxen nymph]

Slow hitting abilities, maybe Erasing Strike, Shield Bash (no shield), Shield Rush,

[waxen nymph]

No, only thing useful for Scrap Metal is FW Duration

[river raptor]

Thanks for the info ❤️

[tiny cradle]

Guys what are the strongest sentinel builds? bonus for survivability, i hate dying, but like zooming

[turbid dome]

hard to go wrong with world splitter vk

but I wouldn't call any sentinel build really tanky, that comes with ward builds

[tiny cradle]

I was hoping I could get ward going or just build some huge life....but I'm far from that...coming from my self-made poison lich build that got me deathless to 200 corr deathless on SSF, melee paladin feels very rough now...

[turbid dome]

which skills are you using

[tiny cradle]

I'm playing Multistrike Smite with Aurelis + Palarus

my life is like russian roulette, build is great, zoomy, good dmg, but that yoyo life...gives me a heart attack

[turbid dome]

🤔 I havent done a build like that in a while

whats your max life

[slow plaza]

are you playing my version by chance or?

[tiny cradle]

aaah sort of, I got inspired by your version, started leveling it, tried playing it with warpath and it felt really good leveling, so I suckered myself into thinking that paladin would be more suitable for this and the gear I gathered from other characters...then I kinda adapted your version to a paladin

[slow plaza]

yah

[tiny cradle]

to be fair, it got me to empowered monos by lvl 69, so maybe I just needed to grind a bit more

[slow plaza]

as long as you run the mana rings

you should be fine

those rings are like essential to making melee feel good

[tiny cradle]

really?

I was just using a rare ring and the sigil of hope ring for QoL

[slow plaza]

they give you like 80 ward on hit

trust me

go put the rings on

make sure your mana is missing

world of difference

[tiny cradle]

man I so wish I didn't respec that build to a self-cast smite now 😄 haha

I'll try it tomorrow and see how it feels

[waxen nymph]

Weaver Ring?

[slow plaza]

yep

dont tell EHG

they are good

[slow plaza]

nah its ok dont worry, self cast smite is ok too

[tiny cradle]

oh you meant the weaver's will rings?

[tiny cradle]

I dislike it, it feels so much worse to play than your version with aurelis and palarus, that's a really smoooth build

[slow plaza]

yep its great and its getting buffed I believe next patch

[waxen nymph]

I see you Gambit
After stealing primalist secret, you are after sentinel

[slow plaza]

with the multistrike node

[waxen nymph]

Maybe the Weaver Ring is what my VK Smite needs to be a bit tankier

[turbid dome]

yay people who play that build showed up

[tropic grotto]

Any guess how bastion of honor would work with the new spear? My guess is the block chance granted against nearby enemies would not boost vengeance damage

[alpine canopy]

The conditional block chance won't apply to the damage boost, that's how it works with existing effects that scale from block chance

[waxen nymph]

I just dropped an Omnividence

I might try that build again but with Omnividence + Titan Heart + WW ring

[turbid dome]

Embrace the void!

[tawdry quail]

hello i have issues killing orobyss

i keep failing

i ogt 74 void resist still failing

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[tawdry quail]

what is a good unique 2h weapon farmable before empowered monos?

[waxen nymph]

Orobyss also does non Void dmg

Depends on the type of Shade

A planner would help a lot to see the shortcoming of your character

[tawdry quail]

can i turn white items into rare?

well the shade if fight kills me with void mostly

and he does some ice shards vortex

i am too weak to kill him

i just dont have the damage

is there any void knight build that does fire damage?

[waxen nymph]

Yes but you will most likely have t1 or t2, so kinda weak item

[waxen nymph]

You can but you would have an easier time as Void

[tawdry quail]

well there is an unique relic that boosts fire damage by 100%

and i already have it

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Lerim/character/LerimVoid
Is that you?

[tawdry quail]

yes bro

glad you found me

it is an alt for now

but i wanna make it much better

as you see 600^^% more void damage still not enough to kill Orobuss

[waxen nymph]

I am not surprised you are struggling
You are split between melee and Spell. It's a bit all over the place

I am about to have lunch with my kid

I'll talk to you later

[tawdry quail]

alrite great

i guess i need to redo my skill tree

[worn sluice]

where can drop it?

from glyph cant?

craft with glyph

[waxen nymph]

The Unique Base can be farm and you can use Rune of Ascendance

To add the Base crit you need to slam it with Temporal Sanctum

[worn sluice]

thanks you

[worn sluice]

i cant understand why my damage shield bash on unique item have more dmg power 7k more base than my newe amour?

legendary 11 str same next have 48% chance more dmg so why this pink amour are wekakness?

[worn sluice]

polish language brokew stats and dmg?

[waxen nymph]

Any chance you can translate the stats on the items?

[waxen nymph]

1.1k hp >too low
You have a lot of "useless" items

This is basically 19hp and 22 End Threshold

And at the same time you are not capped res

Your skills setup is quite weird

You have 3 dps skills, 1 traversal and 1ish support

You need to focus on 1 Dps skill

Why do you waste so much pts getting Smite proccs when you are not Speccing into Smite ? And you have no Spell Dmg anywhere?

Time Rot for Throwing Attack ??????

Remove the Void Beam part because its a Spell
But also you dont need 3 dps skills

????

Red bad
Green good

[worn sluice]

i using build

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shield-bash-forge-guard-guide and i have sime free skill point

hmm maybe i click so much and drop dmg?

and where can see "Shade of Orobyss "

[waxen nymph]

Same

[waxen nymph]

Boss on the edge of the Mono Web

[worn sluice]

i got 1 point free then i used more dmf for fire

[waxen nymph]

Can you translate in english the stats please

[worn sluice]

sec

i delete rthat item buheeh

[waxen nymph]

Just so you know. Strenght gives Increased and More Dmg for Shield Bash

[worn sluice]

pink amour have 11 str 10 vit 152 defense bonus +280 basr and 43% crit chance and 40$ ele resist

11 str vs 11 str is same and see 7k dmg less idk why

[waxen nymph]

7k less with the Exalted or the Unique ?

[worn sluice]

exaltied less dmg than unique

that why i cant undeerstand

so red frame have more bonus what i cant seE?

[woven temple]

no, there are no hidden stats that you can't see

[worn sluice]

and saw bugs if change ring wirth +1 skill physic and drop that ring i have ransdom stats and lost some main stats

[waxen nymph]

Weird, probably the tooltip being wrong as usual

[worn sluice]

i use skill list form maxroll

and when i swap rings

i discapered some "points"

and more weird

i used same unique amour firsrt with 2 lp (now red) vs same amour red 0 lp

just diffrent red stats

and dmg more have

my right amour have more dmg than left idk why

i see have corruption 6 as echo web is only for 1 hero ? i can continuer with other hero? like account

[woven temple]

corruption is per character, also there is no point in increasing it in normal mono, get to empowered

[worn sluice]

i see resist "boost my dmg" idk what skill boosted form max roll xd

[past nest]

How does Disentigrating Aura work for Hammer Throw?

Does it turn the attack into a dot completely

Or is it hit + dot

And does the dot function like an aura, where it deals damage over time around the hammers or what?

[waxen nymph]

The Hammer still Hit but it stays Physical

The Aura is around the Hammers, its a DoT Void

[past nest]

so you ideally want spiral hammers, to stay spinning around enemies?

and not normal throws

[waxen nymph]

Correct

[turbid dome]

👆

[past nest]

and i assume double damage still works for the regular hit

[waxen nymph]

I believe there is a bug and the aura also can benefit from the double dmg

[past nest]

what happens if you take the Nova node and Spiral node? do you just get more hammers?

[waxen nymph]

I dont remember which one takes over

Give me a minute Ill test it

[past nest]

Thanks, it usually says for some skills if they dont work together, but not for these

[waxen nymph]

Dead node if you have spiral

[past nest]

Thanks!

This node is so insanely smooth to level with, so much damage, and I only have +8 throwing damage from gear

[waxen nymph]

Base Dmg of the Aura is really high

Hammer Throw is a great skill to lvl up with

No matter what version you play

[past nest]

Another question, does aura damage increase with the amount of projectiles you have? Meaning each hammer has its own aura dmg?

[waxen nymph]

Each aura is independant and can stack

[past nest]

oof

[waxen nymph]

oof ?

[past nest]

oof, thats a lot of damage

[waxen nymph]

Ah! I thought "oof" its bad

[past nest]

i literally have 2 projectiles that i leave behind and move on

and they clear

cant imagine having even more

[waxen nymph]

Last time I played that build was before Lagon's hitbox was moved to his tentacles

Having a huge hitbox makes you deal so much dmg

[past nest]

I'm kinda digging the not having the hammers following you node

Feels nice to just throw them and move on

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[past nest]

But I guess it would probably play the same

[waxen nymph]

And save you a lot of Mana cost

[past nest]

yeah that too

is there any way to get more projectile damage, outside of the skill tree?

sorry, proj speed i mean

[waxen nymph]

No extra proj and no proj speed outside the skill tree

You can get AoE though

[past nest]

Tyty!

feels kinda sad seeing the chain side of the tree being in such a rough spot compared to the right side

[alpine canopy]

You probably want less projectile speed anyway, especially if you use disintegrating aura

the slower they pass over enemies, the more DOT ticks you can get on them, also it means they stay spiraling for a longer duration

[turbid dome]

toast speaketh the truth

longer hammer in air time = more dot per hammer

[past nest]

I thought the duration is the same, just that they spin slower around you. I was thinking of having more proj speed to get more hits and different dot procs from different hammers

Proj speed doesn't change the speed/duration at which the hammers spiral outwards no?

[turbid dome]

imo proj speed would be better for on hit effects cause the hammer hits sooner

so like smite on throwing attack hit stuff

[past nest]

I do use void smites on hit too, but I was thinking considering how easily both hits and aura scales together with throw damage

Proj speed would scale both

[turbid dome]

true

the bit with disintegrating aura is the hammers move slower, so on each rotate around you they will hang around the enemy longer so more dot dmg

but if your doing both I personally wouldn't slow the hammers down

[past nest]

I mean i guess it all comes down to the fact if I can support the high attack speed and solve the mana issues

Otherwise slow and focusing on the dot is probably easier

[turbid dome]

we love mana costs

[worn sluice]

guys how u make high corruptet? i see very slow up i have 6 only and play alot

[waxen nymph]

You need to get to Empowered

[worn sluice]

hmm? can u show photo?

[waxen nymph]

You need to clear thoses 3

After that when you enter a Mono you will have this menu

After that you start at 100 C

[worn sluice]

hmmm

okay

this menu auto open if done?

ok last question

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shield-bash-forge-guard-guide frist weapon right hand drop with boss unique? and can craft with glyph and shield only from boss corpse ? It was discussed earlier but I want to make sure I understood correctly.

[woven temple]

this doesnt really matter since every time the interval is checked the mob's model will be intersected by the same number of hammers. I actually tried that when playing that build

as long as you can sustain spamming enough hammers to get good coverage wit the spiral, which is fairly easy

[turbid dome]

the shield on the right is a boss drop so it only drops from that boss

you can not get it with runes of asscendance

[alpine canopy]

I'm not sure I follow, hammer density should increase with slower projectile speed, unless there's some weird behavior that I don't know about?

As far as I understand, slower projectiles = longer duration in the same area

[woven temple]

yes but it doesnt matter much when you have enough hammers out to have a good coverage, and the total duration of hammers is the same regardless of speed

[alpine canopy]

If the duration is the same, then it's a smaller area, no? More density that way, too, so still seems better.

[woven temple]

remind me again folks the ravaging auras from void cleave can stack right?

[waxen nymph]

Nope

You get only one

[woven temple]

sheeeeeeeeeit

whats the point of aberroth's command then

[waxen nymph]

Void Cleave while Warpath

[woven temple]

warpath this, warpath that, do they even have any ideas for this class other than ooga booga me spin to win

[waxen nymph]

You could use Multistrike

Also Command allow you to have another type of weapon and not being locked with a 2h for VC

[woven temple]

I mean yes but the benefit to that is slim outisde of utilizing the aura

especially since you cant use it for mobility

[waxen nymph]

Void Dot Hammer like that Sceptre

I am sure you could find a utility for Minion FG too

[woven temple]

void dot hammer actually doesn't sound so bad

as they say in these parts, gotta smoke that

[waxen nymph]

You get Instant VC for the extra 100 Flat Throwing Dmg

[turbid dome]

Love that vc node

[spark monolith]

I cooked up an insane forge weapon build using Aberroth's command. Gonna run it next patch

[turbid dome]

Sentinel is getting a lot of changes next patch, most should be buffs but some things aren’t going to be possible anymore (like vk rive bleed)

It’s also in April so you can still run it now

[spark monolith]

i bought some MG items to test the viability

[turbid dome]

Nice

[spark monolith]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEjPZypo

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (2) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,885, Regen: 1,044.96/s
▸ Mana: 378.01, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 93%, Regen: 554/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 83 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 95% / 79% / 74% / 86% / 68% / 75%
▸ EHP: 6,325 / 6,325 / 6,325 / 10,173 / 6,325 / 5,911 / 6,325

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 422
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,808)
▸ Block Chance: 57%, Mitigation: 32% (775)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (20)
• Warpath (22)
• Ring Of Shields (24)
• Forge Strike (24)
• Shield Throw (23)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Foot of the Mountain
• Hand of Judgement
• Sigeon's Reprisal
• Vessel of Strife
• Sunforged Greathelm
• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip

[spark monolith]

you get more block with warpath, and a lot more regen/ ward per sec and armor with the helmet

shield throw procs while mapping achieving 20k armor and giving your weapons like 9k armor

with high attunement/glove prefix, and chest you have very high armor to dot mitigation

damage comes from VC buff with cooldown reduction

and reflect

ring of shields reflect a ton of damage and provide a lot of block effectiveness

I think the build should pull around 4-5k ward

[worn sluice]

good item?

[turbid dome]

good for a slam if your using sigils of hope + holy aura

[worn sluice]

nice is ave it

[winter copper]

no

[turbid dome]

Probably shoulda lead with the no

[winter copper]

u dont need levels on either of those skills, especially not +3

[turbid dome]

this goes to show how often I play pally

I would argue that +3 to sigils is good for vk using sigils of despair

probs not the best but it does let you get an extra max sigil

[winter copper]

i think some builds need +1 sigils and usually u seal it

nothing needs + aura

[turbid dome]

no arguement there with aura

[winter copper]

and u only need + sigil on ignite builds, and its not really neccessary

[turbid dome]

counter point: +2 max despair sigils makes my vk even more purple

this is a joke

[alpine canopy]

Aura levels can get pretty tight on a flame burst build... but the benefit of getting extra levels is still pretty minor even then

[worn sluice]

guys is possible build or skill with that?

i want look auradin rusher build

[woven temple]

uh divine bolts or something?

[woven temple]

not sure why you are showing us a screenshot with a shrine effect but yes, it's possible to make a judgment aura build. Although the gameplay of pressing it+VR every 6 sec and not doing much of anything in-between kinda sucks

[worn sluice]

i saw other shrine and skill slike paladin so i was think is skill form other class xd

[worn sluice]

i cant drop shield for shioeld bash is very hard lool and 1h weap idk why

where this can drop

[alpine canopy]

Yes, maelstrom is a primalist skill

[polar spire]

Yea judgement slam was more fun in that regard, but if i remember right, wasnt judgement slam nerfed out the kazoo?

It was fun having 2 mobility skills + rewind and just bouncing around the map like pinball

Dash to the right, slam, rewind, dash to the left, slam, rewind, dash over here, slam, rewind, dash over here and then there, slam, rewind

Whole playstyle was dashing everywhere while pulling the entire map

Other people ran it as a boss killer, but with 2 dashes + rewind you could actually clear maps crazy fast

Because you were just constantly aggroing enemies, so you always had enemies pooling together running towards you

[winter copper]

judgment in 1.2

🤡 🪦

[woven temple]

yes, now the go to judgment build is stacking consecrated ground I think

[woven temple]

now now maybe they will give it a flat 300% more damage buff baseline

[polar spire]

It makes me cry everytime

[polar spire]

Give it the forge strike treatment

Because forge strike totally needs more damage

Not me building crazy attack speed and playing speed strike + rewind

[woven temple]

Im still more or less butthurt that their vision for void "knight" is schizo time mage with adhd

[winter copper]

no RF in LE

kekw

couch dads in shambles

[vapid falcon]

Sorry I am kinda new. For Paladin do I just play javelin until I can switch to bleed hammers?

I am lvl 58

[worn sluice]

is possible to upgrade 2 red stats for one shield?

left ss i2 xupgrade form shrine (egg) and dungeon , Right only one turn when i was total noob

i want 2 red stats form right screenshot and is possible?

[alpine canopy]

Any stats that can roll on that item are possible. You can't do anything to get specific ones other than buy one in the bazaar or just use a ton of those shields with weaver's will.

[chilly peak]

You can level perfectly fine with Hammer

[vapid falcon]

Yes! I figured that out finally. Moving along good now, ty for the reply.

[magic bear]

So how viable is a build around Judgment? I really like this skill and I wonder if there is anything viable to do with it.

Holy trail is great but the fact it's a line is annoying.

[waxen nymph]

Judgement has 3 good options that I know of
Melee Hit "One Punch Man"
Spell Fire Aura (like RF from Poe)
The latest flavor and probably the best is Consacrated Ground Stacking, spell dot Fire

[magic bear]

Alright, I know of the judgment aura one from Maxroll, I haven't found anything on Maxroll regarding the two other.

[waxen nymph]

https://youtu.be/tix_natl5LI?si=77WKVOf64kEmOM6i
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/consecrated-ground-stacking-paladin

[crude matrix]

Consecrated Ground Stacking Paladin Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.4

Class

Sentinel / Paladin

Used skills

• Judgement
• Vengeance
• Holy Aura
• Healing Hands
• Volatile Reversal

Used unique items

• Transcriber's Graver
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Wing Guards
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Soulfire
• Snowblind
• Throne of Ambition

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Arena / Melee / DoT

Created by TheBrewery · Aug 7, 2024, 12:15 AM

[magic bear]

Thanks!

[woven temple]

one punch man was nerfed by like a factor of 3, no? I dont think it's particularly good anymore

I played the consecrated ground build though and it was quite easy and fairly fun

I mean not remotely in the ballpark of pressing one button every 6 seconds and running around like an idiot

the gameplay of judgment aura is, uh, a bit lackluster

[slow plaza]

one punch man will no longer exist when reversal is removed

as t here isn't really a way to regenerate 600+ mana easily

[gusty abyss]

They might add something to paladin. We won't know for sure what is or isnt viable untill we get full details.

[slow plaza]

I mean I would assume due to prior knowledge from EHG's balancing, I severely doubt they will add a skill or node that allows you to refill 600 mana every 6 seconds. That would be completely absurd to assume

And sentinel was already on the tough path

[gusty abyss]

And yet, focus exists

[slow plaza]

Yes but thats on Mage

also

[winter copper]

well 2 of them will be gone, as for 3rd one its meh

[slow plaza]

that only gives 40% every 10 seconds

thats crazy to think your gonna fill your entire mana bar AND have a skill that doubles your damage with one skill

remember reversal gave the dps too, not just mana

[gusty abyss]

Mage stacks mana, mage has % mana mods (just like sentinal btw) 2k mana is very reasonable

[slow plaza]

Yeah

but thats not going to happen lmao

Mage is based around mana

Sentinel is not

[winter copper]

also mage actually has ways to replenish it and get EHP

[slow plaza]

Also mage does not have a skill that literally TRIPLES its damage

[winter copper]

2k mana on sent? what are u gonna do with it

[slow plaza]

Like dot judgement is looking like its going to get thrown in the trash soon without changes

[gusty abyss]

If sentinal is not about mana, then why does %mana exist and sentinal skills have attunement scaling?

[slow plaza]

For one specific skill, i.e. judgement

[gusty abyss]

Oh right, because it actually does have some mana scaling atm

[slow plaza]

the skill that won't be good anymore when they remove the skill that gives it triple damage

[winter copper]

cause devs put a bunch of random ideas together and though wow some of them might work out

[slow plaza]

like go try playing judgement without reversal and tell me how you feel about it

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, so like I said, we won't know untill we get full details

[winter copper]

asking abt ehg intentions is pointless considering how many asenine and useless nodes we have on like almost any skill in the game

[gusty abyss]

Maybe all the mana/attunement will be gone. Maybe we get defense scaling on mana, maybe we do get solid mana recovery

[slow plaza]

Yeah but thats crazy to think we are getting 1. judgement getting 300% more damage (its not), 2. a way to refill mana in 6-8 seconds

Reversal unfortunately was keeping sentinel alive this entire time

[gusty abyss]

Its not crazy if balanced right 🙂

meh, smitepath does just fine without reversal

[winter copper]

we wont, i think its pure cope thinking we will get some major reworks on anything besides volatile reversal. They said themselves that they will do buffs here and there to compensate for VR loss, lmfao they didnt even explicitely say they will significantly buff anything on sent

[slow plaza]

Yes but its on one of the squishiest classes in the game, which is mathmatically proven and showcased

Also the other classes just have better builds in general

[winter copper]

which will remain the same unless complete hp/ward overhaul

[gusty abyss]

Armor/endurance/leech are also doing just fine. The problem is ease of getting good enough values. The classes overperforming atm all have treshold nodes helping with defense/offense.

The right treshold bonusses for sentinal could buff a lot of things into place

[winter copper]

just fine is a very broad term

[gusty abyss]

IE mage int scaling is absurd because of how many treshold bonusses they can grab

[slow plaza]

Not to be rude sir but that is mathematically false.

[gusty abyss]

Oh?

[winter copper]

just fine for theoretical le average endgame sure, just fine in compareison to otehr classes not at all

[slow plaza]

Hybrid HP/Ward and Ward are the juggernauts right now by such a large margin its not even funny

[winter copper]

do u know that mage can reach 2.5 million ehp for example

[gusty abyss]

And that will survive?

[slow plaza]

why play a sentinel with 3k hp and endurance when you can play a random mage with 3k HP and 5k ward

[slow plaza]

thats the whole point, we are wanting them to change it

[gusty abyss]

becuase sentinal has 8k armor where mage doesnt even have 1k

[winter copper]

not only survive devs arent even talking abt it and has been untouched for around 1.5 years

[slow plaza]

dude mage easily gets armor cap

thats not a problem

[winter copper]

mage can get both ARMOR and BLOCK capped

[slow plaza]

also 8k armor does nothing when you have 3-4k hp

[winter copper]

just think abt that for a second

if you are saying mage doesnt even get 1k im sorry but you are absolutely clueless about strong mage builds

thats so out of touch

[slow plaza]

while also doing 3-4 times an average sentinel's damage

[winter copper]

also that

[gusty abyss]

So how does mage easily armor cap then?

[slow plaza]

by the suffixes it does not need to spam HP with

you can have % and flat armor on suffixes

[gusty abyss]

so how does it have 3khp then???

[slow plaza]

which you cannot as an HP build

No this is a ward focused build

that would be like 8k ward

and like 1-1.5k hp

[winter copper]

for starters flame ward alone gives 1k flat armor 🙂

[gusty abyss]

so how does it generate that ward?

[slow plaza]

Through various different means

Its really not that hard

I don't want to be rude but have you seen a mage in proper gear in endgame? Its not like its a secret or anything

[gusty abyss]

Because 8k ward is easy, recovering 8k ward in 2s, is what you need to compete with leech

[slow plaza]

You get one shot in Last Epoch

you don't need to sustain

thats a huge difference

leech can't save you when the boss hits you for twice your HP value

or some random covenent of dominion

[gusty abyss]

I mean, you have to go wel above 1k for these 1 shots to happen. I would not expect anything that goes well above 1k to still do that easily after the patch

[slow plaza]

I mean

we hope thats the case

but I have severe doubts about that personally

they would have to nerf so many things people probably would riot at that point

[winter copper]

thats the whole point and we literally said earlier that sentinel is squishist AMONG other classes, not that its squishy for basic endgame

[slow plaza]

Have you ever been higher than 1k corruption? There's a lot of builds that currently do it, and do it easily

[winter copper]

there is a difference if u compare classes vs 500 cor content and classes between each other

[winter copper]

even 2h sent can do that with insane gear 🤣

[gusty abyss]

my smitepath does 1300 easily damage wise and outside of the avoidable big hits surives just fine as well

[slow plaza]

Alright cool

now go do that with the rest of Sentinel's builds

Smite is like one of the only outliers and its only because it has insane damage modifiers

[gusty abyss]

But pushing above that makes no sense to me. Why get used to that level when its out of bound for where EHG wants there balance?

[slow plaza]

Also how long have you been playing the character

having legacy gear is not really a part of this discussion

If you play a year on the same character anyone's gear will be fine

[gusty abyss]

that was at around the skeleton event ended 😄

[slow plaza]

we are talking about in like at most a 2 week period, which is about as long as most people play

yeah

[gusty abyss]

No legacy gear

[slow plaza]

longer than like a month

thats our point

1+ month on the same character you will end up with plenty of gear,

[winter copper]

idk this has been talked many times as for why sentinel is squishies

1. u need block to be actually tanky
2. you dont have ward outside of 2 builds
3. and this is the biggest issue, all other classes(besides marksmen) have op builds that can utilize BOTH armor and capped block,while alos have insane damage reduction passives/skills on top of it

[slow plaza]

imagine how far a falconer could go if you had the same amount of time invesmtent

theres already some of them at 3.5k corruption

[gusty abyss]

there is no way that survives

[slow plaza]

theres some sorcs, some primalists and some necros

[winter copper]

i think last time i saw sentinel getting even close to 2k cor was when it was immortal

[slow plaza]

that's the problem, nerfing the topend does not fix the problem of sentinel being dogwater

[winter copper]

that is a big assumption, devs dont wanna cap uncapped nodes for years and those break the game since 0.9.2.5 untill they fix those skills on falc/warlock i dont see anything changing

[slow plaza]

and needing a whole entire month of gearing and planning to get to 1.3k corruption

instead of like a week it takes a warlock

taking a month to get to 1.3k corruption is not like that hard

you get to 700 in like 3-4 days with a good build

[gusty abyss]

I mean, I think there is a missmatch between what is good. If falconar level of just slot the right uniques, do 1kc is the level sentinal should be at, then we need to see some really good scaling treshold and reworked nodes to make that happen

But that is not what EHG has been saying they want.

[slow plaza]

No, Primalist, Acolyte, Mage and Rogue all can easily get to 1k corruption within a week

no problem whatsoever

its sentinel thats like the odd one out here

[gusty abyss]

Well, like I said multiple times, we will see what works and doesnt when we get the full details.

[winter copper]

the issue is that sentinel does not have access to any significant defenses that other classes dont, and also doesnt have ward that is significantly better than hp. The only real defense upperhand that sentinel has right now is only on forge guard ring of shields node that gives 50% inc block effect

but even that doesnt matter caue they added stupid axe that gives the same and now we have minion abomintaion/wraithlord running around with 100% block and 70% block reduction

[gusty abyss]

Sentinals 1 up is armor, but apparently a mage caps armor with a temporary 1k armor flame ward? Please tell me how mage actually caps that though. I want to try it.

[winter copper]

just blessings, throne, flame ward, top bases and if u have space 1-2 str affixes

should put u on 4-5k without throne and 6-7 with

[gusty abyss]

Right, that is a lot more reasonable spot to place mage. Especially not counting throne due to having to ramp up and it having a relative short duration falling of rather quick.

But if we where to count throne, sentinal would be at 11k (:

[winter copper]

whats the point of 11k?

he can be 40k and itll be the same

[gusty abyss]

armor has increasing gains vs phys

[winter copper]

have u seen the graph of armor scaling?

also phys is currently one of the least dangerous enemy damage types

[gusty abyss]

I don't know, axe throwers are up there

[winter copper]

and this is mere 5k armor

this difference is not gonna make u significantly tankier in endgame by any means

[slow plaza]

especially with the HP-ward gap

[slow plaza]

that 215 damage taken looks way worse on a character with 3-4k hp then a 352 damage looks on an 8k ward character

sorry buddy your not really selling your point here

[winter copper]

idk what to even say here, besides armor there are many other layers of defenses which sentinel lacks compared to other classes

just because his armor is more effective that difference is a fraction of what other classes have on top of basic armor

does that make it clear?

[slow plaza]

also alongside the 8k ward character doing like 3-4 times your damage

that doesn't help either

[winter copper]

also as i said before phys dmg is literally not the issue in the endgame

dots and fire/cold dmg are, on giga scaling void is also dangerous, lightning is scary only if you get 10 shock stacks from certain mobs

necrotic is the only dmg type that is less harmful than phys dmg

[gusty abyss]

leech directly counters dots though...

[winter copper]

not if the dot oneshots u

lol

1 tick and your sentinel gone

[gusty abyss]

yeah, but then we are again talking 2kc+. Well out of bounds of EHG balance range

[winter copper]

dude

[slow plaza]

Sure but that does not change the fact that sentinel is a squishy baby in comparison

[winter copper]

i said it already 2ce at this point that we are comparing sentinel to OTHER classes not to ehg balnce range

[slow plaza]

even by day 1 standards of gearing

[gusty abyss]

Yes, and like I said, Sentinal is missing treshold passives. Lets see what they cook up

[winter copper]

i dont think anyone cares abt ehg balance range, ask any sweaty person they wont bother playing some 300 cor build ask any casual player they will answer "hmm this looks way weaker than falconer" or "i have played waithlord this build looks like trash in comparison"

maybe there are few people who play a build and do like 300 cor and say wow pog i did it, but after 1.0 and 1.1 i think its a vast minority

[gusty abyss]

Ok, so you expect everything doing multiple thousands of corruption to stay, and sentinal to be buffed to match that?

[winter copper]

sentinel will not be buffed, it will stay as medicore as it was just without vr clunkiness and with better qol, meta will be the same warlock/falconer/sorc/necro builds, thats my honest predictions and yes knowing ehg im 100% sure that sorc and couple falconer builds will smash 2k cor easy and probably abomination too since they confirmed that snapshotting isnt fixed

[gusty abyss]

So no hope then?

[winter copper]

for sentinel to be top end meta none, for sentinel be better than before and have couple really solid new builds 100% will have that

javelin will be really good for sure to name one

actaully there is hope that sentinel will be broken, since they completely reworking volatile reversal

so there is a chance and they put some oopsie node that says 10% more dmg per vit

and is uncapped

or smth similar

or add a sentinel unqiue with some uncapped node

[woven temple]

they are totally going to give it a compensatory buff of 300% any day now

[woven temple]

using vengeance gives you dr layers on par with most classes, at the downside of, you know, using vengeance

[winter copper]

also on topic of oneshotting bosses i asked mike recently and he said that they are ok with killing abberoth below 30 seconds if the build lacking in other aspects, so apparently they are ok with glass canon builds like ballista

💀

[gusty abyss]

I mean, smitepath is at 37 seconds for Abberoth, while smooth sailing in mono's. We in danger here?

[woven temple]

it doesnt even have to be strong lol you can hit high armor even on meme builds

[winter copper]

i dont think anything on sentinel is in danger besides judgment that is getting deleted

[gusty abyss]

Void version of smitepath is getting dorb while moving added ontop 😱

[winter copper]

rip RF poe enjoyers

actually there are 2 builds in danger besides judgment

void beams ES and rav aura disco hammers

they were barely viable with 180% more dmg from VR, doubt ehg even heard of these builds

so probably will be dead

[gusty abyss]

180% on stationary targets where the initial revert point time of 2s becomes small enough to ignore. You dont actually have that while running mono's :\

[slow plaza]

that just shows me you weren't skilled with reversal

[woven temple]

having tried void hammers can confirm, not a single dev thought went into that build in the past 5 years

or was it 4 since it was implemented

anyways

[winter copper]

i think its been 6 years

when i started playing disco hammers were already there

[woven temple]

what's more no dev thought went into aberroth command that was added last yeasr

year*

[gusty abyss]

unless you stack AOE so it covers a screen, no, you do not have 100% up time

[woven temple]

+12 sec duration to an aura that already had like 100% uptime and that doesn't stack with itself?

big brain design

[winter copper]

yeeee abberoth command is a bit strange

[slow plaza]

there's literally a whole army of Sentinel gigabrains that play the game that will disagree with you

I don't have to

[gusty abyss]

Especially not while running an echo where you are moving most of the time

[slow plaza]

You never needed it for echoes

if you need it for monolith echoes your build is garbage

you used it on bosses

[winter copper]

well u needed it for echo objectives and bosses ye

[slow plaza]

like for trash? If your build is struggling on trash than thats a build issue

[winter copper]

ye cause normal mobs usually have like 10-20x less hp than buffed up rares or mono objectives and those have like 10-20x less hp than mono bosses

[slow plaza]

Oh especially now in the era of big fat hp harbys

I couldn't imagine playing an ailment sentinel build next patch

[winter copper]

so the difference between normal mobs and bosses is so big that if you needed VR on normal mobs you couldnt even do bosses in any reasonable time

[gusty abyss]

So, like I said, you have it on stationary targets. I don't get this argument

[slow plaza]

most bosses are stationary?

the only one that moves a lot is the female harby

[gusty abyss]

I never said they wherent?

[slow plaza]

I mean having 300% more damage for bosses

for lack of a better term

good no matter how you slice it

[winter copper]

no u still need it for monos mini bosses on those builds

[slow plaza]

yeah if your actually pushing 2k+ corruption

like a good build should if you play it for over a month

[winter copper]

u said u can ignore it in monos

[slow plaza]

Well yeah

the trash

themselves

like skellies and such

[gusty abyss]

In which case, I assume we play high speed and kill things in 5s, 2s of downtime does not make 180% increased damage

[slow plaza]

bosses include the mono objectives

I mean ill be honest if you want a good build you are really not going to be looking at Sentinel anyways right now

high speed would mean you can keep up with screen teleporting/wiping mages and rogues with infintie mobility

sentinel is a snail in comparison

Sentinel has a lot of L's that are not just regarding its struggle to build EHP

[gusty abyss]

Well, makes sense why I like smitepath, does all its damage while moving

[slow plaza]

Yeah but a mage will teleport, clear a screen, then teleport and clear another screen the time it takes you to move past 1 screen

the sentinel gap is huge and real at this point and it makes me sad because i actually like Sentinel

[woven temple]

I like the idea of sentinel as it must have been initially pitched but in reality its kinda ass

void knight barely has any "knight" in it

fg is not a badass warrior smith but some weird abomination with no clearly defined themes or playstyle even after the "rework"

paladin is the only one that is kinda okay but it is still incomplete

and the gameplay realities of most of its builds were just discussed above

[gusty abyss]

Mathed it out. It is much closer than you think it is.

Assuming wings vs double red ring here though

[slow plaza]

I mean I am just going to say that the playtime difference needed to get a sentinel up there vs a Warlock or a Mage is gigantic. Mage will have the same stats in a week that a sentinel takes a month of grinding for. Especially in the damage department

Even if you somehow get as tanky, think about how much damage you aren't doing in comparison

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, some busted scaling nodes without balance changes does that.

[slow plaza]

Yeah, but that does not mean Sentinel is not down at the bottom of the scoreboard

that's been my point this entire time

Even if you fixed the balance problems

[gusty abyss]

Oh it is, but a couple nice treshold nodes will do wonders

[slow plaza]

Sentinel has design issues moreso then design problems

the thresholds arent doing anything

its the actual nodes themselves

and the skills

if Mage had forge strike

forge strike would still be garabge

Its on so many different directions and dimensions that it is a galaxy worth of difference

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, forge strike is a wierd hybrid between minnion and slam.

[slow plaza]

Like thresholds aren't going to fix your skills just generically not doing as much damage

[gusty abyss]

If only one could make it scaled with throwing, then it could have synergy with javalin

[slow plaza]

like compare EQ to Judgement

its not even close

[gusty abyss]

Do we really expect EQ to survive like it is though?

[slow plaza]

No

im not talking about bugged EQ

im talking about just normal vanilla crit hit EQ

and remember

EQ is good, but its average

on the entire scale of skills

If your skills look bad versus the AVERAGE outcome if you pooled everything togther

To make Sentinel good they would need to systematically make everything else worse, and they are not going to have the time to do that

And even then, lets assume the numbers are the same

then it just gets outclassed in terms of speed and clear

[gusty abyss]

I don't see things are gloom and doom as you (:

[slow plaza]

They aren't doom and gloom, Im just stating facts.

I am insanely excited to play 1.2

I just won't be playing as many Sentinels

[gusty abyss]

Though I will say sentinal has some very outdated concepts and nodes.

[slow plaza]

If I really was doom and gloom I'd be playing something else right now. As someone who has actually played well over 300+ characters from all the different masteries (except falconer) I can safely say that every time I load up a Sentinel, it is just an objectively worse experience every time in terms of clear, survivability and damage.

And everyone else I have talked to who actually play more than 1 individual Sentinel build has said and felt the same. At this point Sentinel being bad is a perk of the game, the thing we all point at when we want to make ourselves laugh a little.

[woven temple]

btw I wasnt following, what is the bug with EQ?

[slow plaza]

Its mainly DoT EQ

the aftershocks

[woven temple]

ele dot scaling on aftershocks?

[slow plaza]

they are doing filthy amounts of damage for no reason

[gusty abyss]

I mean, ive been char capped and deleting chars for half a year. /shrug

[slow plaza]

I've been character capped for 4

I would pay for more slots if i could

[gusty abyss]

Anyway, no need for a measurement contest (:

So would I! I even asked on a dev stream, they wont let us 😦

[alpine canopy]

The duration is one of the main thing that makes the sceptre pop off, idk what you mean

You want to snapshot buffs onto the aura, so it's clunky to recast it constantly

and with 3 point investment, you get a whopping 3 second aura on single targets, but with the sceptre you save 2 skill points and get a 13 sec aura

2 skills points which go straight into more damage multipliers, too

[woeful storm]

yo sentinel enjoyer, is there anyway for sentinel to teleport

or doing something resemble a teleport

also say i want to make something like a D2 hammerdin, what's the the scale ceiling for that and what are the most important interactions that i should take a look at

[gusty abyss]

Not really. The closest is smite with the descend node. But if I remember correctly, this requires a target.

Healing hands can be specced to be a mobility skill with immunity while moving. Lunge together with paranoia unique helm can also fill that role.

Other than that, its all moving while vulnerable.

[woeful storm]

HH looks like the most decent candidate, i'll take a look

ty

[waxen nymph]

There are a few flavor of Hammer builds

If you want the hammers to spin around you like in d2, you are probably looking for smth with Smite too

And you can go Bleed (probably the best version), or base on Smite Spell Dmg

[woeful storm]

what's the interaction between hammer and smite here?

[woeful storm]

hmm that looks interesting

man this hammer throw tree looks so outdated lol

I think i'll just wait for the changelog drop and cook later

no way this skill stays the same in 1.2

[woven temple]

hammer tree isnt new but its a good skill tree

plenty of viable options with different playstyle and itemization

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, don't prep anything for 1.2 for sentinal. lots of things might change

[woeful storm]

doesnt change the fact that it's outdated

i mean come on man

look at this

😂

[woven temple]

yea its pretty bad but many other trees are even worse off

black hole is still terrible for instance despite a recent update

[woeful storm]

true

[woven temple]

also I mean this isn't completely dead dead, I dont know how it stacks up with the rest of the hammer tree but it's easy to imagine spiral hammers giving you 10-50 hits per cast

[woeful storm]

outside of that node above(and maybe those that lead to it) it's not that bad

[woven temple]

pressing a button to gain 300 mana doesnt sound bad

[woeful storm]

yeah i immediately thought of this after i post the image

my bad

[woven temple]

take a look at mana strike you are giving it a 5 sec cooldown only to get less than 200 per hit

[winter copper]

kekw when rogue players take a look at sentinel

[woeful storm]

hey i had a pretty decked out Apathy warpath VK in 0.9

i'm a half sentinel enjoyer myself too

[polar spire]

Maybe, just MAYBE they'll finally allow healing hands usage during warpath with 1.2

a woman can dream

Warpath allowing healing hands will be like half life 3

Technically though, if you run the void cleave scepter you can SORTA healing hands during warpath

[alpine canopy]

They'll do that when they finally restore locust swarm's cold conversion

[polar spire]

I wanna see someone run a hybrid bastardized warpath that runs melee, spell, AND throw

Run warpath axe throw relic with scepter and the 100 flat void on throw node in void cleave

[gusty abyss]

I sorta did: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/skyqula/character/Voidpath

[worn sluice]

when i take 3 red stats or 4?

[worn sluice]

where is bazaar and is random stats red? 1-4? or how i can 4?

is possible to discapered item form inventory on character? bc i lost best shield (or i drop wrong?)

[worn sluice]

what is aliment shard?

[inland quarry]

What are your build ideas for 2h weapon + shield forge guard?

[waxen nymph]

Javelin > Spear + Shield

[gusty abyss]

hard to say, but there might be some shinanigans possible with items like shadow beacon (that is massive stats for a "one hander")

Also, world splitter + horns of Uhkeiros

But IMO, current shield selection does not really inspire me to much. Maybe a new unique shield could spice it up.

[waxen nymph]

Or Holy Trail Javelin with Judicator + Shield

[inland quarry]

I was thinking shield bash with a 2h weapon that has block

[uneven gorge]

A shield with forged weapons might be good, since the debuff probably doesn't carry over to them

[woven temple]

yeah right, like jaspers for instance.. oh wait

[waxen nymph]

Dreamthorn Oo

[alpine canopy]

Bleed 2h + flayers

[inland quarry]

I got a crazy bleed 2h sword, might try that

[gusty abyss]

This is relative new right? On LE tools we can select Holy Aura under buffs.

[alpine canopy]

I thought LE Tools has had that for a while, but idk

[gusty abyss]

cant be that long ago, I distincly remember it being an anoyance to figure resistance out because it not existing there.

[worn sluice]

when can 2h ?

how i can instal my hero for lastepochtools?

[turbid dome]

In April, forge guard is getting a node that lets them one hand a twohander

[turbid dome]

Go to the build planner and import your character again

[worn sluice]

hmm

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vegolas/character/Vego good my character? or what is meta build ?

i got shield 20% block but discapered idk why and idk how one shield have 4 red stats other 2? is random or trick?

[turbid dome]

It’s random what gets added

[worn sluice]

i have problem how spawn eye herold? i click end dungeon with corruption and killed shadopw orrobys and reset why not spawn herold? what wrong?

[turbid dome]

Are you meaning the harbinger?

For the harbinger you need to kill the timeline boss (guy you fight after filling up the stability meter) while having enough corruption on the timeline

This is assuming your in empowered monos

[worn sluice]

i start 100 corruption all dungeons and only spawn 2 herold otther no idk why

[turbid dome]

Read the quest info

You need to raise the timelines corruption to get another one to show up

[worn sluice]

maybe i killed last mission and discapered not going max point

[turbid dome]

I’m not quite sure what you are asking about

I wish I knew more than one language

That would make this a lot easier

[worn sluice]

sec

i click last echo dungeon form +7 corruption and killed shadow boss and i got reset not spawn last boss + herold idk why

[turbid dome]

Oh ok

Killing the shade raises corruption and resets the timeline echos

To fight the timeline boss you need to fill up the stability bar

And click the quest echo on the list of quest echos on the left

If you have enough corruption you can also call harby to fight you after the timeline boss

[worn sluice]

it looks like I started killing the bosses in the wrong order

[turbid dome]

Yeah killing the timeline boss gives you gazes and then killing the shade consumes gazes to boost your corruption up faster

[worn sluice]

last question is possible to upgrade LP1 to LP2?

[alpine canopy]

No

[worn sluice]

how to use it?

[woven temple]

open a vendor screen and sell it

the only use it has

[worn sluice]

i forgot question what is the hell echo damage and echo skill i cant see on my build

[turbid dome]

Echoing is a void knight only thing

It gives a chance for your non-movement skills to summon a clone of you that does the attack as well (void cleave can echo despite being a movement skill)

Ignoring a lot of quirks about it, it’s basically %chance to do double damage

this is incorrect but a very easy way to mostly understand it

[worn sluice]

WTF? shield axe and red loot for bow and summoner?

[turbid dome]

thats the shieldbash shield

it counts as an axe so you can put it in your main hand

and have 2 shields

[worn sluice]

yes but look red stats for bow lol

15 bow dmg when he is not bow lol

[waxen nymph]

Its because its an Axe and Axes can roll hybrid Flat Minion Dmg

[turbid dome]

a lot of axes have implicit minion stuff for primalist

so as vlad said they can roll minion stats

[worn sluice]

but bow....:D

axe can attack like bow?

[waxen nymph]

Its not for you, its for your MINIONS

Acolyte minions can have a bow

[turbid dome]

nah it goes on your weapon but it affects your minions

if something says minion in it it does not affect you

[worn sluice]

😄

[trail sand]

anyone have and adorned idols with smite on throw they are willing to part with 🙂

[woven temple]

read up on how trading works in this game - nobody can just give you a freebie

[turbid dome]

I mean you could slap it on the market for 0 gold and hope they find it

[tardy frost]

Does anyone know how many shades might gets you to drop a Apathy's Maw and Shattered chains ?

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=Shade&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[worn sluice]

hey if i drop item unique without lp (0 lvl) and go on shrine egg and upgrade to max 3 challenges i have boost that item? or just go to chaos sanktuarium and loot lucky red stats?

[tardy frost]

it only says the % after 50 corruption

[alpine canopy]

The % before 50 corruption is 0%

[tardy frost]

i know that but how much would you think more corruption will add to the %

[alpine canopy]

Hard to say, I'd recommend running the highest you can comfortably do. The big one is making sure you go to the farthest Shade from the center you can reasonably get to, it helps a lot.

Maw is pretty common at ~200c in far Shade echoes

[turbid dome]

so if you put a 0 lp item into a nemesis egg it will either get turned into a legendary item or will get some amount of lp

once you do this to a unique it can never go back into another nemesis egg

[worn sluice]

oh thanks i have last question

i droped finally shield for shield bash and try on nemeziss egg 2 x challenge succes but i dies as 3 so lost chance for 3 ?

because i saw only 9% chance block

other shields can 20%

so rip perfect shield?

this shield have 20%

main shield Uhkieros 9% only ? or i falied as 3 rd challenge (i dies form super poison)\

[alpine canopy]

It's just random what stats you got

[turbid dome]

thats cause the block chance affix (as with every affix) has multiple tiers

if your using nemesis egg its random what gets slapped onto the unique

[worn sluice]

ah now undersatand

i go sleep gn

[turbid dome]

get good sleep

[woeful storm]

does anyone have a list of volatile reversal's rework teaser so far

[turbid dome]

#💬┃general message

[woeful storm]

somehow i cannot go back to any chat in general before 26/2

[turbid dome]

@waxen nymph when you get a chance can you post the sentinel teasers again for flick

Since you have a compilation of them

I’m at work 😭

[waxen nymph]

You know what I am going to pin them

[woeful storm]

omg ty so much

@waxen nymph

VK will be the name of the game

[waxen nymph]

Forge Guard with the 2h + Shield Node 👀

[turbid dome]

Who needs a shield when you have the void

Also abyssal fluctuation my beloved

[alpine canopy]

That do be spicy

[woeful storm]

yeah VK can be omega tanky with that

[alpine canopy]

It's still all up in the air to me, tbh I'll probably wait until patch notes come out and just commit to whatever speaks to me at the moment

[woeful storm]

im imagining void smite with devouring orb auto cast

vit stacking

[alpine canopy]

Feeling like I might lean toward trying to run a VR build if it's possible

[woeful storm]

maybe we can finally make a omega tanky character without ward

[turbid dome]

Welcome to the vit stacking club

[woeful storm]

need to see the full devouring orb tree first tho

[turbid dome]

Orbiting dorbs -> auto cast -> node that gives 20% more void dmg if you have 90+ vit

Tbh auto cast could make the void res node work for it too

[winter copper]

No u cant kekw

Whatever you do on sentinel itll always be worse than sentinel setup with vessel

Imo

[turbid dome]

Your probs correct

But a sentinel can dream

[worn sluice]

how too kill damn herold ? annoyng ice circle cant good movement as melee

i falied as 10% hp left i have 91 lvl hero

corruption 151 and can 200k dps

[turbid dome]

1.2k max life is really low

Also I get why you keep saying herold instead of harbinger

[worn sluice]

how much must have im 91 lvl not havbe items for hp 😄

herold i remmeber international name 😄

[winter copper]

Any item can become hp

Just craft it

😅

[turbid dome]

Craft flat hp and %increased hp onto gear, my goal is 2k before entering empowered monos

[worn sluice]

i cant underatand why on lobby shield bash have 3 mana per hit

when i join dungeon have fck 14 mana

they burn me as hell hits

i killed 3 harbingers xd

[turbid dome]

Damn

Yeah your def at the part of the game where you just start dying if your that squishy

[worn sluice]

so wtf

[turbid dome]

Do you have those boots on that reduce mana cost while standing still

These guys

That wouldn’t explain all of it

[worn sluice]

maybe true

[turbid dome]

But I think that second image has 3 stacks of the mountains endurance on its buff bar

[worn sluice]

i try kill this shit xd

[turbid dome]

Good luck

[worn sluice]

or make more hp less dmg

[turbid dome]

For the most effective way to boost hp, put flat max hp and % increased max hp onto your body armor

T5s there are bigger numbers than T5s on other gear slots

[worn sluice]

ok try 1700 hp xd

[turbid dome]

Hey that’s almost 50% more health than before

[worn sluice]

this ice aura are joke

i good escape and him HITBOX are crazy

[turbid dome]

Yeah thin harbies are a lil hard to dodge

[worn sluice]

finally kurwa!

how many boss harbiner must kill ?

[turbid dome]

There’s one at each timeline

Gotta kill em all

[cerulean sorrel]

While using Sigils of Hope, does Divine Flare trigger from Renewed Hope? Or does Divine Flare need to be manually cast?

[alpine canopy]

I think flare requires a direct cast, but regardless renewed hope will never meet the conditions of divine flare since you'll have no sigils active when it activates.

[cerulean sorrel]

That's a shame, could have been a great loop.

[alpine canopy]

They have synergy, flare requires you to have a sigil, but consumes it. You'd normally need to cast again just to recover the sigil you lost, but renewed lets you skip that step

[cerulean sorrel]

They do with the ring.

[quiet hearth]

mastery respec is in soon boys, I will be able to make meme builds at an unprecedented speed.

[fickle reef]

Hey guys, just curious, does anyone know if / how sierpin's special effect works if you take the siege barrage node in javelin?

[waxen nymph]

Not right now but should work in 1.2

[waxen nymph]

I am a bit sad about that

[fast grotto]

do we know anything about the sentinel rework apart form the trailers ?

[waxen nymph]

Check the pinned messages