🔱┃sentinel

[gusty abyss]

Maybe not sub 1min, 5 min is also fine

[quiet hearth]

lol, no

[turbid dome]

if your a new player, making your own build, mono campaign(? first time you fight him) aberroth is gonna be a LONG fight

[quiet hearth]

long fights are fine, well reasonably long fights, but mileage is gonna vary on that one.

[turbid dome]

yea

[placid pawn]

which one is that again?

I have a really poor time remembering bosses in arpgs because they just don't stick around for that long

[turbid dome]

aberroth is the pinnacle boss

the big ass void guy

[placid pawn]

While like, Ornstien and Smores is permanently ingrained in my head

ah okay I haven't fought him yet lmao

[turbid dome]

beat up all the harbys

[placid pawn]

his fight looks interesting

and I'll probably run into the same exact issue as all the other bosses

"Die a bunch figuring out which mechanics I can ignore, and which oneshot me"

we love paladin

[placid pawn]

Though. . . this was only relevant against Squidboy's monolith boss fight, and the first harbinger I killed

Everything else was "Afk hold mouse 1 down"

[olive lodge]

been playing void knight for a few days now and i feel like im doing something wrong, looking for anything really

now it may be because im still levelling up, but i feel like i only end up using 2 skills, maybe 3 and neglect the others.

there just doesn't feel like a need to use more than that so far, is there a build or rotation at endgame where you do end up using the full set of hotbar keys ?

[placid pawn]

Nope, that's Last Epoch

Juice one damage skill through the roof, everything else languishes

I can't say I'm really surprised either. It's just a function of how ARPGs work.

PoE2 is trying to do something about that, but it's having a massive identity crisis at the moment where skill combos are how you clear the campaign, but one button builds are how you survive and grind the end-game

[olive lodge]

mm alright

well i appreciate the insight, at least im not doing anything inherently wrong

[sly magnet]

a lot of the time, extra skills are automated by equipment or other skills themselves. sentinel and sorcerer are probably the worst at integrating skills together so you end up using only 1-2 skills. rogue, primalist and acolyte are all good at using many skills together. the other 2 mage masteries are also decent at it.

[harsh thicket]

Anyone doing VK hammerdin?

[waxen nymph]

Which one ?

Proccing Smite or the Void DoT Hammer Throw ?

[harsh thicket]

Proccing smite

[waxen nymph]

Played it a while ago

Have a question ?

[harsh thicket]

Im at warpath rn, what would i need to swap over to it?

[waxen nymph]

At least 3 Smite on Throwing Hit idols

[harsh thicket]

So until then dont swap to smite?

[waxen nymph]

You can probably do 2

But yeah until you get some, don't do it

Smite is your main skill. So if you can't procc it, you do no dmg

[harsh thicket]

Alright ty

any other uniques i need or smth like that? to farm them until then

[waxen nymph]

A lp Mad Ladle

Devotion is also a good amulet

If you go Shield, the Void Shield is great.
If you go DW, Blade of the Forgotten Knight (I know... A set item!) or an exalted Katana

[harsh thicket]

mace wouldn't work with smite right?

cuz its 2H as well

i have a lp2 ladle

might be poopy

[waxen nymph]

That Mace has nothing to do with Spell or Throwing Attack

[gusty abyss]

Hammer smite used to be viable before the idols got buffed and the max you could get was 24%, Now a single idol can get 25%. You don't need 3, infact, I am pretty sure hammer smite hits the smite cap (not shown in game, 10 per 2 seconds) with just 1 while clearing and caps with 2 on bosses.

[harsh thicket]

Oh i just got 2 of those idols ;D

This one right?

[waxen nymph]

Yup

Sweet, you can now swap

[harsh thicket]

tho is it viable with my items, thats the real question ;D

[waxen nymph]

Now you want Mad Ladle and stsvk Vitality for the Flat Dmg

[harsh thicket]

bad thing is, i dont have + to smite shards

for body

[gusty abyss]

+Smite is on relic though

[harsh thicket]

eh?

oh.

am stoopid xD

ty lol

is this good for the build?

cuz i dont have a t6 vitality helm yet

[waxen nymph]

Not a big fan of Peak on a VK

Leech is your main sustain

Also Leonine Greathelm exist and will fix you Crit Mitigation right away

[harsh thicket]

just swapped into VK hammerdin, lets see

[waxen nymph]

Hammer Throw, Smite, Anomaly and?

Dual wield or Shield?

[harsh thicket]

shield

[waxen nymph]

Following a guide?

Mind sharing your planner?

[harsh thicket]

yeah trying to

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q07N11vA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 83

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (60) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,542, Regen: 33.48/s
▸ Mana: 143.92, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 15 Dex / 5 Int / 13 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 85% / 86% / 146% / 129% / 100% / 119%
▸ EHP: 5,526 / 5,526 / 5,526 / 6,829 / 5,526 / 5,526 / 5,526

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,299)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 29% (513)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Smite (20)
• Hammer Throw (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss
• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Siphon of Anguish

[harsh thicket]

tho im not leeching any hp which is bleh

cuz i die kinda fast

[harsh thicket]

any idea what to do?

[waxen nymph]

Get more Vit on Idols

[harsh thicket]

I swapped the peak

trying to get this rn

[waxen nymph]

Skygula is probably right, and you can use only 1 or 2 Smite Idols

Imo there are more important stuff to get before that

Your Gloves are not great

Relic good base but mid affixes

[harsh thicket]

im using 3 of them right now, should i swap one out?

[waxen nymph]

One or 2 should be enough

I haven't played it since the change

Also you want leech in Anomaly, not the Void Dmg Taken

[harsh thicket]

4 points in that?

or 2 and 1

[gusty abyss]

if you go 2 smite idols, the question is, do you take 4 of the 3 wide idols with vitality, or 4 of the 3 high idols with smite damage 🤔

[harsh thicket]

im gonna get on my falconer to farm for Witch's wrongwarp and ravenous void/mercual razorfall

mercurial*

[harsh thicket]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/smite-hammer-throw-void-knight-guide is this a good guide or should i look at someone else/

?

[waxen nymph]

Sound decent but there some stuff I don't agree with

Like the boots

Or Wrongwarp (on this one I would need to make the math to see what is more dps between this and Mad Ladle)

Also the Inc Dmg in Anomaly (I would rather have Leech)

[harsh thicket]

then what to farm instead of warp?

[waxen nymph]

Mad Ladle

[harsh thicket]

i have lp2 mad ladle

the gloves maybe?

[waxen nymph]

What about the gloves?

[harsh thicket]

to farm those

this

[waxen nymph]

They are super rare, but quite strong

[gusty abyss]

I think Anomalies damage taken vs leech is a matter of are you farming? Then the speed of damage taken should be really good to nuke mages/nemesis/bosses. Are you pushing corruption? Then the leech will allow for more mistakes.

[waxen nymph]

I don't push but I make a lot of Mistakes 🤣😅

[gusty abyss]

I personally feel that anomalies damage taken is in the same spot as VR for VK

(minus the jank ofc)

[waxen nymph]

Problem is (to me at least) you need to aim Anomaly

And since Anomaly is on numlock when I use it

It's kinda hard

That's why I always take all the bubble goodies

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, if you are autocasting then go for max bubble efficiency

[waxen nymph]

But before you get thoses, a good pair of exalted will be amazing
Throwing Speed + Crit + Hp + %Hp

[gusty abyss]

How is armor shred solved in this build? Gloves might be a good spot for that as well

[waxen nymph]

You can get a bit in Hammer Throw tree

[harsh thicket]

how do i make my game show wands? i havent seen even one in like 5 monos ;D

[waxen nymph]

Can get some on idols too

And the planner seems to put it on Amulet

[harsh thicket]

the only wand i've seen was ladle and thats about it

[waxen nymph]

Change your loot filter

[harsh thicket]

yeah i have that

[harsh thicket]

see the thing is, im not good at making filters lol

my filter is off of le planner

[waxen nymph]

Maxroll probably has one, no?

Also you might not have droped any ex-wand

It happens

You are a Sentinel so you don't see has many wands as mage or Acolyte

[harsh thicket]

any you recommend?

[waxen nymph]

If you really want, I believe there is a Wand Drop blessing

[waxen nymph]

Is there not one with the build?
I believe they tend to provide one for each build

[harsh thicket]

Uuhh i haven't seen one

oh nvm

[harsh thicket]

yeah i said oh nvm xD

but ye rn i have no better gloves sadgely

@waxen nymph should i put crit on this?

[harsh thicket]

nvm its kinda bricked , couldn't t5 armor and hp

but it has t5 crit at least

[harsh thicket]

Any hammerdin here?

[turbid dome]

need build help?

[harsh thicket]

Yeah, i was wondering what i'd need on my ladle besides spell crit

[turbid dome]

that really depends on the rest of your gear,

like %increased can help, chance to apply an aliment could help, damage pen, etc.

[alpine canopy]

For ladle, you'd really want some increased damage since you'll be lacking in that department

When you convert smite's scaling to vit

[turbid dome]

Oh whoops

I assumed it was a smite hammer pally

[waxen nymph]

Love your pp Engi

[harsh thicket]

Is this any good?

[harsh thicket]

vk smite

[waxen nymph]

Not really

Better lvl to Smite

Mana Regen is meh

And base is meh meh

[harsh thicket]

so i shall salvage

then smth like this?

looks promising

[waxen nymph]

Exalted Throwing won't do much on a Spell Build

[harsh thicket]

ah so again poopy, good to know

[turbid dome]

thanks I watched an ad for a shark anime girl in a gatcha game and got this hair for 2 months for freeeee

I look fabulous

[faint salmon]

I'm play Rive VK and feel stuck at mono 150. Is my only option to grind for 1~2 leg power and upgrade or am I missing something else?

[waxen nymph]

Do you mind sharing your planner from letools?

But from that I can tell you not enough hp

[faint salmon]

yeah one sec let me figure that out

[slow plaza]

the only vk I use peak on is when I use shard of the shattered lance

[uneven gorge]

I have a forge guard that can push 400 corr with half the health. You're probably missing sustain - You leaching good enough?

[faint salmon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qd067PeQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (72) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,524, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 113.48, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 47 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 8 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 90% / 77% / 147% / 112% / 72% / 105%
▸ EHP: 6,564 / 6,564 / 6,564 / 8,095 / 6,564 / 6,373 / 6,564

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 572
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (73)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,462)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (21)
• Anomaly (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Void Cleave (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Titan Heart
• Apathy's Maw
• Shattered Chains
• Darkstride
• Quicksilver Coil
• Omnis
• Anchor of Oblivion

[faint salmon]

it seems like burst damages that are the problem

[gusty abyss]

I would swap peak for a Leonine helmet, you dont seem to have your crit prevention in place, that should do it as well as give leech.

Additionally, you have way overcapped phys resist, you could swap out the blessing for increased armor.

[faint salmon]

yeah I'm working on blessings at the moment

[uneven gorge]

Yeah I'd swap out phys blessing for armour%, and the health regen one for stun chance. Then swap the helmet for a good exalted since it's stopping you from leeching even though you have the world eater passive. That should up your survivability in melee a decent chunk

[faint salmon]

alright thanks for the help guys

[turbid dome]

don't forget about the blessing respec merchant

[faint salmon]

oh damn... yeah that would be smart lol

[waxen nymph]

I would remove Peak

I really don't like Peak on VK

[faint salmon]

yeah shopping for a helm right now

[waxen nymph]

Your main sustain mechanic is Leech

[gusty abyss]

Peak on any life based build is weird. Life leech is like the best thing about life builds.

[turbid dome]

rive lets you leech with peak

[faint salmon]

it does but I think i'm just in an awkward transition in terms of gear progression

[turbid dome]

fair

[faint salmon]

not enough health/dmg probably to use peak

[turbid dome]

using any helmet that isn't leo is hard on sent

[faint salmon]

yeah it seems really good

[turbid dome]

tho if you can cap anti crit defense, apoyclapse helm is nice for rive vk

given rive gets to 80% echo chance so the fat dmg implict stays around

[harsh thicket]

not bad;D

[waxen nymph]

Good!

[faint salmon]

feels much better with helm change. thanks again guys

[harsh thicket]

Hey, should i keep this or try to craft the vit one?

[proper holly]

NO! keep the 475 armor, it is really good. 4 more vit is just 4 more spell damage it doesn't worth losing so much armor and life.

[harsh thicket]

oh oke thanks

[waxen nymph]

Wow ! That Augury Plate is super good

[fluid sparrow]

Nemesis was... kinda...very ... generous on this one 😄

(Running the conq ground aura judgement, so this is a very very very very nice one to get)

Could not believe it either tbh 😄

Which one would you guys use for Judgement - Conq Aura:
(The crit avoid would net me to 89%, so will have to find another source to fully be capped - yes I know it conflicts with the base :P)

[quiet hearth]

I get so tired of trying to squeeze crit avoid/less crit dmg taken onto everything.

[turbid dome]

this has inspired me to make a low effort meme

[turbid dome]

@quiet hearth this meme is quickly becoming higher quality than I meant

[quiet hearth]

welcome to my world

[quiet hearth]

Im really hoping Rive will get the ability to add the fire tag, alongside the void tag

[turbid dome]

let it get both

[alpine canopy]

Did they reveal vengeance could get the fire tag or did I dream that?

[quiet hearth]

It's a good dream if it is one

[alpine canopy]

I'm glad it seems like sent is finally getting some conversions for its attacks

[turbid dome]

where pure phys hit sent support

now that pure phys vk rive is gone

[alpine canopy]

yeah idk, that would be nice too

[turbid dome]

4th sentinel mastery when

[alpine canopy]

that was "supposed" to be FG's thing, but it doesn't quite fit that

[turbid dome]

The apostate (reject the gods that all other sent masteries follow)

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure that's VK

[turbid dome]

Vk is in the gang

But like use powers to defeat

[turbid dome]

I can see that but FG is too split between beef, minions, fire, throwing, dots, phys, crits

[quiet hearth]

beef xD

[turbid dome]

FG is a thicc lad

[alpine canopy]

actually the only "godly" sent mastery is pally

[quiet hearth]

Herot support when

[alpine canopy]

which is kinda funny since obviously we are going to kill his god

[quiet hearth]

He should have thought of that before dropping loot

[turbid dome]

FG -> following the teachings of fire chicken (intro video shows sent working as a smith in solarium)

Paladin -> straight divine juice

Void knight -> literally took a portion of the void within himself. (I view the void as the divine magic of owobyss)

[quiet hearth]

I read that as the divine magic of cowboys and was very confused for a moment

[turbid dome]

An apostate 4th mastery wouldn’t give any magic support (and might debuff any magic you try to do)

[quiet hearth]

Nah, make the 4th a cold support one

[turbid dome]

That should be added to pally

[quiet hearth]

only if they lose bleed support

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t fg also have bleed support

[quiet hearth]

A bit, I would move paladins over to FG honestly

[turbid dome]

Then again a pure phys mastery would probably yoink all the bleed support

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's weird that pally has better bleed support than FG

[alpine canopy]

Just saying

[turbid dome]

Ye

That item is why I call the reject the divine magic mastery idea the apostate

[alpine canopy]

It's a VK themed item

the void is like the opposite of divine magic... er well maybe necrotic is

[turbid dome]

yes and I think its wrong to be a vk themed item, given half of VK is spells (and it turns off leech)

[alpine canopy]

yeah, but only if you cast spells

[quiet hearth]

Need a Smite node that is like, Lagon's Paragon, where it's now just a massive CD nuke

[turbid dome]

I view necrotic as the inversion of life magic

[turbid dome]

which again, using supportive spells is a significant portion of what makes VK, VK

a VK that doesn't use spells could be themed as literally anything else and work. the void + time magic spells is what makes VK different

[alpine canopy]

It's literally the inversion of divine magic, it's basically how they used the power taken from killing all the divine era's gods

to make the immortal bois

[turbid dome]

is this about necroctic or void ^

[alpine canopy]

necrotic

[turbid dome]

because I do also think that or followers of had a hand in making the immortal empire

[alpine canopy]

no, they destroy the empire

[quiet hearth]

Im looking at skills and Im like, I cant wait for them to make a 2h that converts void cleaves aura to fire just to annoy me I cant have it instant and converted.

[turbid dome]

void gang wants to end the world because didn't want it made in the first place -> divine era gods are too strong -> lets set up events to kill the gods -> people are still to strong -> lets get everyone to be skeletons -> skeletons go insane -> ez void dub

[alpine canopy]

Heorot kinda inadvertently had a hand in it though, it's thanks to his lance that kills and absorbs all the gods' power that the immortal empire was formed

[turbid dome]

yea

[alpine canopy]

except for that one timeline where a big dragon just eats them all

[turbid dome]

Mortality's grasp is what made me think the void had a hand in the immortal empire

something convinced the early living necromancers to forsake being not undead

which then lead to them running out of souls and basically all going insane (for example, the lore notes in soul fire bastion)

and unlike the other eras (so far) the immortal empire is the only one to be on decline when we show up (not enough souls -> undead becoming mindless)

ruined era -> its already declined

divine era -> we cause the decline by killing gods

ancient era -> we probably kill all the dragons with the gods (which is a good-ish thing? given all humans are only safe in the temple of eterra)

[turbid dome]

big dragon timeline is a lil funny

mortality's grasp flavor text also implies that necromanctic magic is related to the nature of life (or knowing the nature of life is important to creating undead), which is why i view necrotic as being the inversion of life magic and not an inversion of divine magic

[waxen nymph]

No it's real

[waxen nymph]

I would say it might come baked in the conversion

[quiet hearth]

I would love that

[waxen nymph]

They have said they want to make conversion more intuitive. Like you would expect it to convert subskills and ailments

[quiet hearth]

Well that's good news

[waxen nymph]

Cant wait to get Void Spell Shield Throw

[quiet hearth]

Im looking forward to a functional Smelter's Wrath

[turbid dome]

impossible

[whole jasper]

hi! is there any build for Forge guard that can reach 300 corruption ?

[waxen nymph]

Yes "plenty"

Forged Weapons, Smelter Wrath

Rive+HH

[turbid dome]

Rive + HH ❤️

[uneven gorge]

Forged weapons is pretty easy to build. Just the set helmet + 2x phantom grip + a decent 2h can get you quite far since you get all your flat damage from void cleave

[quiet hearth]

Smelters wrath reaching 300 corruption has nothign to do with skill, but rather a test of will

[turbid dome]

let sentinel waddle or something while charging smelters wrath

[sturdy quest]

1k corr with 0 or 1lp uniques - doable?

[turbid dome]

Very build dependent

And also what’s your definition of doable

[lilac beacon]

question about the "Torchbearer" skill in the Lunge tree. It says all sources of bleed become ignite. Does that mean globally or just from the skill?

[waxen nymph]

"All Sources" means globally like passives and items

But it only applies for Lunge

[lilac beacon]

ah okay

so there's no universal skill for sentinal that turns all bleed to ignite?

[waxen nymph]

No but you can look at some Gloves

[turbid dome]

like this

[waxen nymph]

Too fast

[turbid dome]

[lilac beacon]

oh those are dope!

are they a hard drop to come by?

[waxen nymph]

No fairly common

[alpine canopy]

Nah, they aren't rare, but they are at least mid level so you probably won't see them until late/after campaign

[sly magnet]

shield bash is also good. a little on the slow side, but very durable and satisfying to play if you are aiming for that super defensive juggernaut style.

[whole jasper]

thanks for the answers guys . Im gonna take a look, now im kinda following maxroll guides, but idk if there any other place where i can found good forge guard guides

[sly magnet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/builds/filter/mastery=forge_guard&language=en

[whole jasper]

ty

[lilac beacon]

I made a Forge Guard this time around

going pure fire and ignite based AoE, hopefully it scales okay into the late game

[turbid dome]

it should

[waxen nymph]

What skills are you using?

[lilac beacon]

Atm, warpath, void cleave and forge strike. Still levelling so haven't decided on the last 2

But there's quite a lot of ignite/fire pen in those skill trees

[quiet hearth]

No but there are some gloves

[winter copper]

I havent heard such amount of copium in years or is there some leak that i missed

[waxen nymph]

There has not been any teaser for this specifically but Mike said they are looking to make the conversion work in a more logical way ie converting subskills and nodes that apply ailment too

[gusty abyss]

This for fire dorb? 😄

[lilac beacon]

I wish there was a more kind of knightly duelist archetype for Sentinel

changing subject, what are the best passives for Forgeguard from the Sentinel tree?

[waxen nymph]

🤞🤞

[waxen nymph]

From the base Sentinel Tree?

[lilac beacon]

yes

[waxen nymph]

Green > generally very good, I would take them no matter what
Yellow > good, but depend if you build can use them

Special note for Stalwart > 1 pt is all I ever put in that node, because I want the block Chance.

[lilac beacon]

thank you!

and in the Forge Guard tree, I'm guessing I eventually want the passive that increases fire and physical pen per x points of str?

[waxen nymph]

What are playing?

[lilac beacon]

Forge Strike, Hammer throw, Warpath (fire), Void Cleave (fire) and Smelters

though tbf I'm probably gonna use Rive at higher levels

[turbid dome]

Sad vitality node noises

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, but Ignite FG doesn't really need them

I love them personally

[turbid dome]

but vitality

• regen

love it on FG

[waxen nymph]

Because we have left our souls embrace the Void

[waxen nymph]

By the way, this is a lot of "offensive" skills and almost no support skill

I would look into Sigils of Hope, Volatile Reversal

If you go Ignite, maybe Javelin + Smite

[turbid dome]

^

VR gaming

[waxen nymph]

Why regen when you could leech

[lilac beacon]

I have a loooot of leech

[turbid dome]

have both 👍

[lilac beacon]

Thanks for the tips Vlad, I will look at swapping Hammer for sigils a bit later down the line

Hammer hasn't been amazing

[turbid dome]

so your maybe not dead to a dot after the enemy dies

[turbid dome]

leech 👍

[turbid dome]

If your feeling like your beefy rare/boss dmg is low I'd recommend swapping in volatile reversal

plus then you can do the sentinel rite of passage

[lilac beacon]

Can volatile reversal change to fire?

And what is the sentinel right of passage?

[alpine canopy]

No, you can't convert VR - it's just there for the damage taken debuffs to nearly triple your damage.
The Rite is using VR to teleport to your death.

[lilac beacon]

Hmmm, I will probably try sigils first then

How is Manifest Armour these days?

[alpine canopy]

VR is significantly more powerful, but it often feels not so fun to use

[lilac beacon]

I am the kind of person that likes theme a lot

So if it doesn't fit into my forge father/fire dude theme then I would rather something else

As dumb as that might sound

[alpine canopy]

MA is the same as always, it's strong in the right kind of build, not popular though due to playstyle

[alpine canopy]

Nah, game is about having fun, do it however you like

[turbid dome]

thats not dumb at all

[haughty canopy]

You port to a pool of death that was there 5s ago lol

Hmm guessing come rework... Palarus is gonna be a godsend.. cos void smite

Just that it doesn't scale vit

Rip

[gusty abyss]

The renouncement passive gives smite vit scaling. The cool part being you can go fire smite with vit scaling.

Don't think that will survive the rework though.

[lilac beacon]

is the rework in the next big update?

[waxen nymph]

Yes !

[winter copper]

rework or nerfwork lol we will see, very curious whats gonna happen with ailment builds on sentinel

[turbid dome]

bleed rive vk is gonna be gone

😭

[winter copper]

yep we will see, imo if they cant make sentinel feel good and comparable to other classes in 5 years can just put away this game to the side for a quite awhile

sentinel be like: most of the skills suck....and even if they dont suck a lot of them lack boss damage....and even if the dont half of them are either clunky or have bad clear....and then if you wanna get as tanky as mages and druids u need op gear...and then even if u got op gear other classes with same level of gear are still more tanky

[turbid dome]

I hope multi strike and vengeance dont stay as true melee

and get a lil aoe zone like rive does

I also trust EHG to understand that removing the stupidly high more damage effect on VR does mean damage needs to be upped elsewhere

[winter copper]

yes but they are chronically bad with math and numbers, we have several skills that can be played as crit or as bleed/ignite. would u trust that they can rebalance skill that was getting 60% more dmg in one variation and 180% in another?

[turbid dome]

no skill is going to be doing the same damage with VR not giving giga juice more damage and yeah no nothing is going to be perfect on the first patch of a rework

I do trust EHG that they will get it right, even if it takes a fix or 2

and wont just remove the damage from it and not give anything at all back

[winter copper]

well the thing is that sentinel skills were doing subpar dmg even with fully juiced vr whats gonna happen after they remove it...doesnt look promising, but we will see

[turbid dome]

yeah

[winter copper]

im 100% sure that they can 5x damage of smelters wrath for example and still less than 1% of playerbase would even test it out

😏

so damage aspect is very important but its only tip of the iceberg of sentinel issues

actually there was even proof of what i said cause in 1.1 SW was bugged and could two-three shot abberoth easily on budget, still nobody played it

[turbid dome]

I blame that on its animation is mid (at best) + its clunky to play

[winter copper]

have u played poe2?

[turbid dome]

yea

playing a titan rn

[winter copper]

there is a skill flameblast on sorc there, that is exactly how SW should be

[turbid dome]

I am a fan of the big smacks

[winter copper]

u channel and slowly move then boom whole screen explosion

[turbid dome]

I was thinking super charged slam but I'll look at flameblast (haven't done sorc yet)

*super charged slam in feel, not dmg, super charged slam got obliterated

oh right yeah flameblast

played that in poe1

[winter copper]

ya but in poe2 u can move while channeling

[turbid dome]

ye

[winter copper]

with ms penalty but still u arent stationary

[sly magnet]

we love pizza sticks

[turbid dome]

pizza totems ❤️

[turbid dome]

ye

[winter copper]

why cant we have the same for sw in LE, would feel amazing

u supercharge big attack and get rewarded and penalized for it

[turbid dome]

I mean forge guard has been kinda mid for most of LE's history, I hope the sentinel spa day gets it to be good

[winter copper]

not just fg but whole sent and true

also bets on fg racial being reworked in 1.2?

[turbid dome]

racial?

o mastery bonus perk

[winter copper]

ya

[turbid dome]

yeah...

[winter copper]

😦

[turbid dome]

my attempt at new FG passive bonus

• +15% armor effectiveness vs non physical damage (armor is 85% effective vs non-phys compared to the normal 70% effective)
• You gain a stack of Stalwart when you or your minions are hit. Stalwart grants 5% increased armor, lasts 10 seconds, and stacks up to 10 times.

[lilac beacon]

Smelters Wrath feels super bad

They really need to make it so you can move while channeling

All of FG's skills outside of Forge Strike are kind of boring in their design

Makes it feel a bit undynamic

[winter copper]

funny how you are like 4th person who suggested pretty much the same thing over 2 years

probably more than 4th since i dont track all the feedback

[turbid dome]

darn

people keep suggesting that stalwart should stack off of minions too?

[winter copper]

not that part

[alpine canopy]

The game's current primary control scheme doesn't really support this outside of the few weird ones like warpath

[winter copper]

taste of every skil being mobile in poe2 makes it really hard to come back to le now

[alpine canopy]

I feel like sentinel largely needs most of its passives and skill trees redone to modern standards... which is a pretty massive undertaking

[winter copper]

*and around 30% of class specific affixes

[alpine canopy]

yeah good point, a lot of the affixes are junk (though some are insanely good for some reason lol)

[turbid dome]

+20 physical damage with swords gaming

[alpine canopy]

the bases obviously could use some work, too

[winter copper]

doomer prediction of 1.2:passive tree buffed, overall skills nerfed due to lack vr, item afffixes untouched

[alpine canopy]

This honestly wouldn't surprise me

[turbid dome]

#🎨┃fanart message

leo helm > everything else

[alpine canopy]

however, the new things that have been teased so far look fun so it'll probably another sentinel season for me regardless

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, stuff like this 😂

[turbid dome]

how much of an impact does the stun res on apoc plate even have

*stun avoid

[alpine canopy]

extra stun threshold equal to 2.53% of your max health at max roll

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

For reference, your base stun threshold is 750 at level 100, so it's like a 33% boost if you don't have any other stun avoidance

[turbid dome]

ngl I kinda assumed it would do a little more

tho I always know that captian's ring got my back

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's not amazing... but that base does also come with damage for your echoes, so it's at least not the only thing

[turbid dome]

yeah

the up to 130% increased echo damage is a lot

terror crown with its bonus vitality sadly has to compete with leo hat

[alpine canopy]

I do feel like sentinel's stun avoid is slept on, like unflinching is a pretty nice passive

[turbid dome]

true

relentless sadly has to compete with -10% less dmg taken

[alpine canopy]

yeah, I haven't found a viable way to spec relentless

[turbid dome]

a pure phys rive i did a while ago did basically this

[alpine canopy]

like, even if I need extra points to reach blademaster I'll always put it in one of the others

[turbid dome]

but honestly base sentinel feels too focused

[alpine canopy]

its base passives do feel really well defined

like my points go into exactly the same passives in the same amounts with only very slight variation

[turbid dome]

*its very clear what you want to get based on build

[alpine canopy]

yup, that's a better way to put it

[turbid dome]

like jugg -> armour clad -> valiant charge -> time and faith

if shield do 2 points to get the block chance

[alpine canopy]

if VK get more vit, if DW grab the DW thing, if sword/axe invest a little more to get blademaster

[turbid dome]

axe throw if vortex pendant warpath smite

[alpine canopy]

maybe put a point in the axe throw

I like how we can easily get that counterattack proc to have capped crit, but it's rarely used

[turbid dome]

imo Mage has the most interesting base tree

solid mix of raw stats and build enabling stuff

[alpine canopy]

mage is kinda the same way imo, always get int and cast speed, but there are just a few points that don't have much value so those are a little more free

usually just go into health and mana tho

[turbid dome]

a straight up conversion in the base tree is always cool imo

[alpine canopy]

Cool, but also you usually have to grab the conversion in their skill trees anyway to get nodes behind them, so I usually think of that as a leveling thing

[turbid dome]

fair

[alpine canopy]

Rogue is an odd one out, I feel like I always end up spending a good chunk in the base passives there

[turbid dome]

rogue is a very juicey base tree

[slow plaza]

actually that node is good for frostbite because the volcanic orb nodes after the cold conversion does not actually help frostbite so it saves you an entire point

so that node does actually do something

and for volcanic orb 1 extra point is huge cause it sucks up points

[turbid dome]

volanic orb is a point vaccum

[alpine canopy]

Yeah that's fair, this is why I use vague terms like "usually"

[turbid dome]

tbh for base sentinel, the two big changes I would want

• Aegis of Renewal (make me actually want to take this, 100% proc chance plz)
• Mail Breaker (make this be a big chance to apply armor shred per point, not increased dmg)

[alpine canopy]

LB also doesn't have much behind the conversion, but maybe that's just because the "damage in a line" thing isn't popular and there's no real reson to run cold LB that I can think of

[turbid dome]

I used it on runemaster when I wanted a spammy ice skill but had converted frost claw

[alpine canopy]

I'd probably use a different spell personally, but then again runemaster is not my favorite class lol

[turbid dome]

fair

I do want a 1handed sword + axe void unique

like theres the shadow cleaver

[alpine canopy]

I want a way to craft the shattered lance set into a repaired version... and also some spear support in sentinel would be nice!

[turbid dome]

thats the end of the campaign tho

[alpine canopy]

The lance never gets broken in the actual campaign (or if it does, it hasn't happened yet)

[turbid dome]

yea

I was meaning we i assume get to use the unshattered lance then

[alpine canopy]

I'm just assuming Grael uses it and then founds the new empire with it

[turbid dome]

I don't think its gonna be Grael

[alpine canopy]

It's heavily hinted that it's Grael, but I don't know if it's set up to be a twist or not

[turbid dome]

no like I get that

every other bit of our divine era gang is the immortal rulers

[alpine canopy]

they could always pop in a twist where Grael is actually "for real" dead

[turbid dome]

my guess is that all four join up with the necromancer who becomes the immortal emperor cause the world kinda falls apart after we murder all the gods, but the immortal emperor is like a sneaky dude at this point so their being mislead

grael realizes this but the others don't + don't listen to him because they see stuff improving (harton isn't faithful at this point because of how Lagon acts, Zerrick is greedy)

Grael leads the rebels of his time -> his kid becomes the outcast queen

[slow plaza]

nah I think the Emperor is 100% the old dude in act 1. If you read his dialogue carefully he does not enjoy the current state of things. He also gets flung through time too. I can imagine a huge revenge plot based on him getting slung into the future with a very bad future, leading to him leaning into necromancy to stop the gods etc

[turbid dome]

you can find his notes in the archive as you go to the room with the 3 apprentices boss fight

he's the first in the position elder gaspar is in

[slow plaza]

ohhhhh ok

I did not know that

I actually dont click on all the little lore bits lmao

[turbid dome]

One of them (if I'm remembering correctly) mentions that he dies/is not long for this world and that the made the "fated holder" prophecy to inspire hope (also mentioned by the elder who is outside)

which is the player

or at least I think?

its been a minute since I looked at them

[slow plaza]

yeah I think it would be cool that the other dude who went through time with you was actually the emperor later but maybe its not

[turbid dome]

yea

now granted he could of faked his death? but given he built the last refuge and left the shard of the epoch there, idk how he would timetravel

[slow plaza]

yeah if he built the last refuge then I am wrong then

[turbid dome]

I say built? he mentions that he found a group of people hiding from the void and that their the descendants of his people

they probably had something before he showed up

but probably was more like rat city

[slow plaza]

yeah if theres lore talking about it, it means he got flung through time right before you

[turbid dome]

I'd guess a bigger gap than right before

like enough time for a generation or two

[slow plaza]

yeah if hes not it then its probably grael

[turbid dome]

my gut says that its someone in acolyte's backstory, not her official teacher as thats mage (unless that got changed)

[slow plaza]

it could also be the dude locked in the tree

thats another option

[turbid dome]

yeah

[slow plaza]

cause you unlocked him

pretty casually I might add

[turbid dome]

tbh yeah

hates the gods 👍

has power 👍

some amount of magic 👍

only big thing is, aren't the gods/demigods immortal naturally? what caused him to turn to necromancy?

also anyone who becomes the immortal emperor needs some form of life extension/immortality pretty quickly cause divine era is -12 BE, but we show up in the imperial at 1005 AG

assuming the immortal emperor is like a powerful caster at 1 AG when the empire appears

[slow plaza]

to have an army vs rayeh

[turbid dome]

also this dude wanted to learn necromancy in the last archive

[slow plaza]

you cant just one man army things

[turbid dome]

true

summary of the first elders notes

• confused why only one shard came with him
• Finds survivors, uses his knowledge of the Keeper tunnels and ruins to hide from the void + start building the refuge
• Leaves the last refuge "as quickly as he came here"
• Leaves a note saying that he is gone and trusts his people

ok he didn't die while in the refuge, but he left the shard 1... shard 2 is also still in the temple and shard 3 is with us

did he just walk out and die fighting the void?

🤔

[slow plaza]

ah maybe he could have went back in time then with one of the shards and then became the emperor

cause maybe hes like im gonna end this shit myself

[turbid dome]

Oh wait shit

Right the puppet immortal emperor drops a shard

[slow plaza]

yep

lmao see im smurt

[turbid dome]

One note does say that action is more important than simply learning history

And he would know how to get the shard that grael was sent to get during act 1

[slow plaza]

cause if you read his dialogue hes like supremely angry off about everything

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[slow plaza]

and maybe he thinks like you are the one who gave into the void

and caused the apocolypse or something

since the 2nd shard didnt go with him

[turbid dome]

Does the puppet emperor recognize us after he realizes we’re not etera

[slow plaza]

no idea tbh

also the keepers would obviously know the soul magic thats used by the undead gang

[turbid dome]

I know puppet dude thinks we’re etera at first

[slow plaza]

so thats another thing

well the puppet emperor is there because he went to go raid Eterra's temple

if you read the subtext of why he would be there

[turbid dome]

Hmm

He does fit a lot of spots

[slow plaza]

also im sure you go back forward in time to deal with the emperor and he follows you to the temple or something

and you fight him and merc im

[turbid dome]

Him showing back up in the divine era would make sense why the divine era gang would side with him at first

But I can see him quickly becoming a control freak -> leads to immortal empire idea

[slow plaza]

well what actually happens

is you kill rayeh

then leave for the immortal timeline

and he pops in after and is like

[turbid dome]

Traveler killed all the gods?

Probs blames us for snake lady

[slow plaza]

yeah

like remember

[turbid dome]

And having the lance

[slow plaza]

he knew you for like

5 minutes

and your doing all this sttuff

and has a shard

[turbid dome]

And we fought through an entire war camp

By ourselves

[slow plaza]

he probably thinks your absurdly powerful and dangerous

just by having the shard and messing with time

[turbid dome]

Multiple times

I mean we kinda are

Bonus points if your a VK

[slow plaza]

lmao

imagine its just a whole misunderstanding

and he keeps finding himself right after your done

[turbid dome]

Tbh if it his him I want to see a skeleton dragonfly by the immortal emperor

[slow plaza]

or before

so theres definitely some subcontext with the alternate timelines

like its fated that someone learns necromancy eventually

cause it happens every timeline, where the dragon does it, or the shamans do etc

[turbid dome]

Yeah

A god goes war crazy during the divine era and starts murdering everyone

[slow plaza]

maybe in the end you realize changing the timeline literally does nothing so you go back to fix it at the start

[turbid dome]

Oh god

Thought

Etera is “sleeping” because she’s done doing her work on this timeline and moved to the next one

And is just cleaning up what’s left behind

Like cleaning up a “finished” puzzle to make room for another

Each cycle is a different timeline

[turbid dome]

Honestly that’s the most realistic reason I’ve seen for going to the ancient era

Other than I guess trying to ask etera for help

[alpine canopy]

Since ancient era chapter is right after the current one, I'm betting the oracle sends you back there

instead of to EoT like it currently does

[turbid dome]

oh true

we get yeeted back -> have to recharge the thing

tho I always thought it would be cool if we went through monos -> recharged the epoch -> got the end of the campaign as like a way to unlock a new pinnacle boss

[alpine canopy]

That would be interesting, I figure that's a temporary plot point, but maybe it will be permanent, idk

something that also leads me to believe it's Grael is his weapon looks vaguely similar to the emperor's

he has motive, means, and opportunity

but I definitely won't mind if it's someone else as long as it's not just some random new character that comes out of nowhere

[turbid dome]

I really don't think its grael, owing to that he appears to know jack about intelligence based magic (a lot more in the attunement magic gang) + alt timeline grael does his duty and sides with Heorot despite not really wanting to

I can't really see him going skeletal lich

[alpine canopy]

I can see it, though yeah necrotic stuff is usually int based it can apparently be attunement based as well since the only real difference is study vs 'whatever attunement peeps do', and absorbing the power from a lot of gods means you probably have a lot of power to tap into

[turbid dome]

fair

then again I guess the entire spirits of fire timeline is attunemnt gang doing necromancy

[alpine canopy]

Also Grael seems to have been really close to Heorot and would probably have the best capability to tap into godly power like that, especially through one of Heorot's own relics

[turbid dome]

Heorot was his adoptive dad

[alpine canopy]

The empire may not even start off with bad intentions

or there could be something innately bad about having that much power since it does seem to always turn out the same in every timeline

[turbid dome]

🤔

theres also the possibility that theres a time period of a bunch of different fractured kingdoms post all the gods dying (power vacuum)

and the immortal empire wins that because you can reinforce undead armies faster than living armies

[silver glen]

Has anyone tried a Forge Strike Bleed build by stacking stun chance (converts to bleed)

[winter copper]

yes, its very mediocre

got to 200k or so ticks on pinnacle boss with offline gear fully buffed

[alpine canopy]

iirc the power the empire has is directly from the gods, which would make it hard to be anyone outside of our campaign group, but maybe I need to rerun campaign again, it has been a hot minute since I actually read the things

[turbid dome]

Wait the immortal emperor uses the divine power?

I thought it just said he killed the gods

[lilac beacon]

This was a really interesting discussion to catch up on

Especially as I literally just finished a second run through of the campaign

Signs do point to it being Grael

Yulia asks you for the lance of heorot at the end of the Empire timeline

You don't have it but she thinks you do

The only thing that can specifically kill the IE is the lance

There's also this weird cut scene when you and Grael are venturing somewhere being buddies and it specifically makes a comment on that

Definitely seems like foreshadowing

But tbh I want to know wtf is going on with Apophis

She lets the void into the world and then leaves the timeline

[turbid dome]

It’s basically confirmed that she is the oracle in imperial mejesa

[turbid dome]

That’s leaving the farwood and traveling back to herobora

[turbid dome]

Beyond the void or the gods, yeah

[lilac beacon]

well she chilled out a bit

guess she saw the error of her ways 😛

[turbid dome]

I mean probably being the cause of the end of the world and realizing how much you royally f-ed up tends to do that

[lilac beacon]

what's more curious is how she isn't void tainted

like, she should be right? It's like the warp from 40k, you can't dabble with it without it corrupting you

[turbid dome]

I’m gonna go with the same logic as the void knights

[turbid dome]

Only if you give up hope

[lilac beacon]

hmmm

i wonder what she does to the Snake god

[turbid dome]

Every person who gets corrupted we see them giving up hope

We ||killed snake god ||

[lilac beacon]

yes i know

but what's happening to her before that

[turbid dome]

Oh

[lilac beacon]

like she is talking about voices in her mind

then goes crazy

[turbid dome]

She’s letting the voices of all the other vessel maidens speak to her

[lilac beacon]

how? do they live on in the void?

how does the void work?

[turbid dome]

Give up hope -> your easy to void corrupt

[lilac beacon]

also where the hell is Eterra

[turbid dome]

But she claims to have been taught by

So perhaps it’s from that

[lilac beacon]

she has to be alive if Ouroboryss is alive?

[turbid dome]

Given the void has big entropy vibes

[turbid dome]

That is probably learned in the unreleased part of the campaign in the ancient era

[lilac beacon]

is the idea with the campaign for it to be finished in one update? or is it going to be more drip fed?

[turbid dome]

Not this coming April

But I would guess it’s all coming in one update together?

[alpine canopy]

In the old roadmap, only a single chapter would be coming next (same as how Majasa's chapter was added standalone), so probably they'll come one at a time

there are 3 remaining chapters

For a total of 12, which is a wonderfully thematic number of chapters

[turbid dome]

Just like time rot

[alpine canopy]

And item factions' new max rank

[turbid dome]

hmm

I wonder why the game with a lot of time travel

uses the number 12

[alpine canopy]

Speaking of time rot, maybe a cool interaction to make it more viable would be "when time rot is applied to a target that already has the maximum stacks, all stacks of time rot are consumed and deal their damage immediately"

[turbid dome]

its like its a clock or something

[turbid dome]

that feels like someone I want for future strike in the timeline where future strike gets more support

like thats very future strike

[alpine canopy]

Then it would kinda be like an infinite stacking ailment, and yeah it does feel future-strikey

[turbid dome]

my thought for it was when the first future strike activates, the rest of them also go off with it

so its like apply a bunch -> boom! -> apply a bunch -> boom!

with a dmg boost for each one that goes off together

[alpine canopy]

I think future strike should just be reworked to something different, more like a shadow daggers or spark charge thing where it procs melee hit stuff rather than be a stacking ailment

[turbid dome]

):

but its the only infinitely stacking void dot rn

and in concept its cool as hell not working like other aliments

[alpine canopy]

but if they do that thing above to time rot, then time rot would be pseudo-infinite stacks

[turbid dome]

gimmie a military time node that makes timerot stack to 24

[alpine canopy]

though this is a neat idea too, we'd just need future strike support to exist then

[turbid dome]

tbh

they could make future strike get its own tree

to make it even more of an aliment special lad

and it works like holy aura where theres passive changes + you can activate it for something

[alpine canopy]

Like torment?

[turbid dome]

probably

[alpine canopy]

it would need to be attached to a skill like VR or something

[turbid dome]

nah

thats why I said like holy aura, kinda

make it a passive "aura-esc" thing thats all about sentinel becoming void corrupted

so its full of upsides with downsides

the main thing being you build up void corruption -> if it fills up all the way you explode or something, but the higher it stays the bigger the buff

[alpine canopy]

Potentially do-able yeah, though I suspect they want more active things since they removed stances and whatnot

[turbid dome]

yea the balancing the corruption bar is the active part

which I do realize took like a minute to send

[alpine canopy]

Yeah fair, it would definitely rely all on the execution of it

[silver glen]

Any tips for this Electrify Javelin build I'm theory crafting?

Using healings hands as a traversal and to spread electrify

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2ObxqnQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (73)

General:

▸ Health: 3,152, Regen: 40/s
▸ Mana: 137.03, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 5 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 90% / 90% / 102% / 84% / 93% / 109%
▸ EHP: 13,311 / 13,311 / 13,311 / 20,450 / 13,311 / 13,311 / 13,311

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 660
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,078)
▸ Block Chance: 84%, Mitigation: 54% (2,424)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire, Void / Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Smite (22)
• Holy Aura (20)
• Volatile Reversal (22)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

None

[alpine canopy]

I recommend speccing this (smite is free when cast by the idols) and removing the points in spreading flames:

I also generally recommend using siege barrage, although the playstyle may not be as enjoyable

This is also a massive damage boost, generally well worth the point investment over the ignite chance and regen on heal stuff imo

A point or two here would likely help on single target, especially if you don't want to use siege barrage:

You could probably drop some defensive points from pally passives to get the 5- and 3-point thresholds at the start of FG's passives for some more block chance and bleed chance

also Armour Clad in the base sentinel passives should be maxed out

[turbid dome]

Bonus points for sacrifice because more dmg on the skill that applies the aliment applies to the aliment

[waxen nymph]

Also with the buffed idols you only really need 2 or 3

[turbid dome]

I'd stop at 2 if I have near max rolls on them

trying to have 40% or more smite on throwing hit chance

this is one spot build wise where MG clean sweeps CoF imo

given both item factions get loot lizards

[alpine canopy]

I would agree with this if they went with siege barrage, but right now they have jav as just a regular attack

near 100% proc chance is mandatory for single target damage without siege barrage imo

[silver glen]

That doesn't scale the dot damage does it? I just wanna do as many stacks as I can lol

[alpine canopy]

It does - at least it scales the DOTs from smite

since it's just generic "more damage" it applies to all damage, subskills, and ailments from smite

[turbid dome]

^^^^

[silver glen]

Oh dang

Ya I don't love how siege barrage feels. I'm okay with suboptimal as long as its functional haha.

[waxen nymph]

@turbid dome @alpine canopy @cobalt blade
I am catching up on the dev stream
Mike just said
The 2h + Shield node is FG exclusive

[turbid dome]

👍

[winter copper]

any new sent leaks?

[turbid dome]

👍

[gusty abyss]

The teasers where art related. It was mentioned that some of the systems comming to 1.2 are similar to some systems in PoE2

[winter copper]

thats not new reee we knew it for months

[gusty abyss]

(they where working on it before poe2 released)

[winter copper]

ripp ty

[waxen nymph]

It wasn't definitive

[alpine canopy]

I have been working under this assumption, glad I didn't start planning any 2h+shield VKs or pallies heh

[quiet hearth]

This is what I want smelters wrath to be

[turbid dome]

you want smelters to take like 20 seconds to build up and use?

[quiet hearth]

You activate it, and it just slowly builds up this aura that damages things around you, and yourself until finally it violently explodes.

[turbid dome]

that just sounds like a different skill than current smelters

[quiet hearth]

You say that like it's a bad thing

Though in all fairness, I have no idea how good it might be if all those broken nodes actually worked

[turbid dome]

I enjoy the thematic idea of current smelters being a giant slow charge up swing

having it be a more passive in the background skill completely changes that

[turbid dome]

true

[quiet hearth]

I think there's too much clashing with Forge Strike, which is already the giant smacky skill. I'd like to see something else in its place

[turbid dome]

giant smacky vs giant charge up smacky

fs also has the whole forged weapons part of it

[quiet hearth]

make it a skill where as you smack people it is an aoe that even damages you, but each hit builds stacks until you pop

[turbid dome]

🤔

man I just want more pain for gain on vk

[quiet hearth]

That sounds like a passive tree node

[turbid dome]

🤔

[quiet hearth]

just the name, not like it should be a node

[winter copper]

did u really just call forge strike a giant smacky skill 🤣

it hits like a wet noodle

it hits so bad that you actually do way more dmg on it if you go full ignite/bleed

[alpine canopy]

I mean, compared to other sent skills it is a big smacky skill, it has 500% dmg eff and one of the best animations

[sly magnet]

dropping an anvil on someone is looney tunes

[polar spire]

its one of the best bleeder skills and then you mix it with abyssal bleed pop

me just randomly wandering in here and then away again for months

[alpine canopy]

[turbid dome]

[silver glen]

Is there any uniques or anything to spread electrify?

I have a lightning javelin build but clearing can be a bit of a pain when enemies are spread out

[gusty abyss]

On the healing hands tree

[silver glen]

Interesting. Have you tried it?

I was hoping for something passive but that would probably be too OP

I guess you'd have to only use healing hands as a main clearing skill?

Then use javelin for single target

[gusty abyss]

HH can proc of melee attacks, so it works better with electrify multistrike

[silver glen]

Ohhhh thats cool

I'd need to proc axe throws via the Sentinel tree I guess so that I can get smite procs

[alpine canopy]

Smite itself also has that thing that makes it strike nearby enemies

it's not spreading exactly, but it helps a lot on clearing

[gusty abyss]

Yeah, this is great for AoE

[turbid dome]

Lightning bolt -> lightning blast

Send that to the tooltip hunt

[alpine canopy]

Heh I am not sure if it shows up as lightning blast in game

But it is silly

[turbid dome]

Fair

[silver glen]

Is it worth to put 1 point in Axe Thrower?

Javelin -> proc smite -> proc axe thrower -> procs smite again? I guess Javelin can also proc it too

[waxen nymph]

Yes, for 1 pt you can get an extra Smite per second

[silver glen]

Ya I'm hoping it will also help with clearing spread out enemies

I really wanted to use Divine Fury over Siege Barrage for Jav but its terrible for stacking electrify on a single target

[waxen nymph]

In April you should be able to have both 😍

[silver glen]

👀

[turbid dome]

[waxen nymph]

I can't wait to see some skill trees to decide whether I am going Shield Throw or Javelin for 1.2

[silver glen]

Why not both 😎

[turbid dome]

shadow wizard money gang

[waxen nymph]

Because I am a filthy right click spam abuser

[turbid dome]

bind all your skill buttons to right click

chaos

[alpine canopy]

I am very much looking at jav, but there are a lot of options that are looking fun

[gusty abyss]

Smitepath 2.0, void edition (with Dorb)

[turbid dome]

don't forget damage skill anomaly

[gusty abyss]

If it stays as is, for sure

[turbid dome]

more time waves nodes!

[gusty abyss]

But I really don't want it to survive as is, that 100% void taken needs to deleted with VR

[turbid dome]

the funny part is people still mostly use anomaly for time bubble, not yeeting to the future or the damage taken node

[alpine canopy]

So you know how leech ends when you reach full health?

I found that % current health drain effects prevent leech from actually bringing you to full health, which means rav aura potentially prevents your leech stacks from ending at full health

[gusty abyss]

Yep

[alpine canopy]

Not sure if healing would disrupt that or not, but just throwing it out there

[turbid dome]

Yea

[alpine canopy]

It makes rav aura suddenly a lot better, or even like a sealed T1 health to ward glove affix if you're insane

[south ledge]

I really hope javelin is going to be great. Love the looks of it

[waxen nymph]

I have seen some build killing Aby and farming 500-600C with Jav already

And real Jav, not proccing Smite

Not the fastest for sure

[winter copper]

not the fastest

Vlad is the most copium LE player in the games history

[waxen nymph]

Nah, it's just a nice way to say it's slow as fock

[polar spire]

I wonder what they'll do to smelters

The axe throw portion of smelters can be fun if you get over 100 dex

Since 100 dex = 1000% more damage

And then you have stuff like void cleave adding 100 void to next source of throwing damage

[waxen nymph]

Also

[polar spire]

i never knew if this one actually applied to it or not

because of the way that axe throw node worked and how absolutely bugged it was

[waxen nymph]

Well it should since axe volley has the Throw tag

[polar spire]

yes

but

[waxen nymph]

😅😅

[polar spire]

bugged af

[polar spire]

last epoch bugs? nooooo the games released now, released games are never chock full of bugs!

[waxen nymph]

Honestly I haven't encountered a bug in the last 3 months
Maybe it's because I haven't played in the last 3 months

[turbid dome]

I've just been encountering bugs for you (:

[fluid sparrow]

April is nearing! 😄

I don't know if this belongs here or somewhere else but I can share my build if needed...
Julra T4 ... the degen she drops after you time junp, is it normal it deals like giga much hp? Or is it not a DOT?
Unsure, according to my build in last epoch tools, estimated void damage taken dot ehp is 3.6k ... but it really feels like i can only be in there for max 2 seconds or even less, it lands, i barely get out in time. (If I am already moving)
So am I missing something?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Wieze/character/ConsecratedKitten

(I know the cold res is awkward together with Poison, still trying to find a replacement to migrate some of the fire/Phys to cold, as previously I did not have the Rahyeh shield)

(And poison never feels too dangerous when running around with a constant heal from Judgement - Conq Aura)

[alpine canopy]

It seems to work fine currently, either way you can get the guaranteed crit on full charge or whatevs

[alpine canopy]

Yeah it's normal for the puddles to hurt really badly. That's part of why I try not to let her ever swap eras, or if I do, only once so we fight in the divine era where I can destroy her lightning totems.

[fluid sparrow]

But then your dps needs to super high inT4? or can you skip those puddles somehow differently?

[alpine canopy]

You can prevent her from swapping eras by being in the same era as her, she has a couple seconds delay after she casts cataclysm before she can swap - if you just swap back in that time, then no swap and no puddle.

[fluid sparrow]

Oooh

TIL

😄

How long have I been playing this and did not think of that

[alpine canopy]

Just be careful not to swap back before she finishes casting cataclysm, because that hurts

[fluid sparrow]

I know 😄

Damn, ok ok I will work on that timing, but damn that is a big game changer indeed

Thx!

Feels silly now, I have been playing since sooo long... 😛

And if you got tips on how to improve the build even further, also welcome! (aside from the crit avoid/res issue I mentioned though), as those I know. 😛

[chilly peak]

And as we are in Sentinel chat: Be careful not to switch time with Volatile Reversal - that will kill you with delay!

[fluid sparrow]

And yes, i do know about equipping a wand with spell dmg etc at bosses, as that improved dmg greatly, but reduces area!

[fluid sparrow]

Yeah learned that the hard way for sure, i make sure I stick around a bit around her before doing VR. 😄

[winter copper]

Have you tested it fr? Cause previously neither base smelters wratg dmg effect, no more dmg per second of charging, nor more dmg at full charge applied to axes, literally no multipliers

[alpine canopy]

They all seemed to apply except some certain ones

[polar spire]

Are you talking her mega nuke if you dont time jump out of it?

[alpine canopy]

I didn't do a serious test, but definitely remember crit chance of some sort applying

the axes are a true subskill of smelter's wrath (specifically, I think a subskill of the slam portion)

[polar spire]

Oh the full charge 100% crit working from top left?

Yea i know that one works

But because of the dex node in forge guard that gives crit, i think back then i had tried to see if that works with it and it didnt

Instead of going top left in smelters and grabbing the free crit

But i mean, theres no reason not to grab it

[alpine canopy]

Interesting, yeah I haven't tried that one yet

in theory it should work, but it might not be implemented normally

[polar spire]

Points in smelters can pretty much be spent willy nilly

[polar spire]

Thats what the mega nukes called? Cataclysm? The real fun is making a build that can facetank it

It does obscene amounts of damage, but you can facetank it

[alpine canopy]

I think its actual name is "Catastrophic Implosion"

been a while since I've seen it, so the name blurs lol

[polar spire]

I think they should buff its damage and make it a true one shot

[winter copper]

Crit chance was always applying, the issue were all damage multipliers

[polar spire]

The dex to damage multiplier always worked, at least for me, as well as any flats

[alpine canopy]

I can test the damage multipliers... I'd say I should wait for 1.2 in case any big changes happen, but that might be hopium

[winter copper]

But tbh even axes had property that they oneshot anything they touch i wouldnt play it

Clunky aoe, slow

[winter copper]

U mean for 2.2?

[polar spire]

I still hate that my tankiest build ive ever made was on rogue

[alpine canopy]

They'll fix melee in 4.0

[winter copper]

The tankies ive build was druid, max block 8k life 3k or smth endurance threshold

Stupid class

[polar spire]

Mountain boots rogue, boss tank, sit there with 6k life and endurance covering the entire life pool

[turbid dome]

nah thats gonna happen in Last Epoch 2, but in the act of doing so their gonna make ranged builds even better than the new melee builds

[winter copper]

4.0 is last epoch 4 lol

Which realistically we will never see

[alpine canopy]

Dang, LE 2 is like 10 years out

[alpine canopy]

Depends on how they feel like numbering, not sure if they are using any particular industry standard

[marble quest]

Have you or Misha submitted any IGBRs for these, or posts in the Discord listing them? I'll go see if this is on the teams radar 🙂

@winter copper ^^

[alpine canopy]

I don't remember any working wrongly, but I didn't test it thoroughly. Well, the axe tooltip saying it scales with dex is a typo that I didn't report. 😅

[marble quest]

I can at least check on that haha

[winter copper]

the testing we did was around a year ago or so, thats why i was asking toast, we can test more if we have time and file the report again

[ionic gust]

Trying to build a ssf hc Minion Sentinel, and wanna use forged weapons and manifest armor. Which things synergize well here, I guess I want the armor to also have my mainhand weapon, as well as whirlwind strike for some AOE as its base dmg autoattacking seems really meh?

Or is the armor only really useful with the throw shield skill combined?

[waxen nymph]

It's really really good with Shield Throw

[sonic obsidian]

was thinking about trying to get back in here, but I saw there's sentinel changes coming? Should I not try and finish my 2h Melee Paladin until then?

[waxen nymph]

April will bring a lot of change to Sentinel. Personally I am waiting.

[turbid dome]

It’s not a rework but their updating a LOT with sentinel, I’d say play it now and then in a few months when it comes out play it again

[sonic obsidian]

I think I'll do online now, because I did offline at launch

and I don't plan on doing cycles

[uneven gorge]

Update is still three months away, more than enough time to play whatever you want

[turbid dome]

and tbh even with a normal length cycle you have more than enough time to play casually and still finish a build or two

casually in this instance is like under 8 hours played a week

[sonic obsidian]

are there any basic attacks for sentinel that can be tagged for fire instead of physical or void? I think I used rive before, but it doesn't look like it has a fire skill node

[alpine canopy]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by basic attack, but some skills that can be spammable fire melee are healing hands, warpath, shield bash, and forge strike

There will be at least one more coming with the next update (vengeance, and I don't remember if others were teased yet)

[turbid dome]

doesn't flamedrinker give rive the fire tag (not converted tho)

cause I think thats the entire base of draven's triple dot build with the ruby fang set

[alpine canopy]

It shouldn't, but idk if it's bugged to add a tag

[turbid dome]

@quiet hearth how do you get a spammy fire skill for the rubyfang set on your triple dot build, isn't it rive with flamedrinker?

I know theres some spammy fire skill that he was using

[alpine canopy]

LE Tools seems to think it does not add the tag, and it is almost never wrong on stuff

[turbid dome]

🤔

[sonic obsidian]

I guess I meant "skills that cost 0 mana"

[alpine canopy]

Hm, then I guess remove forge strike and shield bash from that list and add smite and shield throw

[turbid dome]

I can argue for erasing strike if being mana neutral is the goal

[alpine canopy]

Heh, well that one can't be fire tagged

[turbid dome]

maybe not fire tagged, but I can just stack melee fire damage and that scales with fire damage stuff

[sonic obsidian]

I'll play around, I had a healing hands build before offline that I had fun with, but willing to experiment

the goal is, greatsword melee paladin in the end.

I can do 1h sword and shield too if there's a distinct advantage there, but yeah

[turbid dome]

if your using a 2handed sword/axe you can make void cleave be fire

and tbh I think void cleave is the best travel skill for sentinel rn

take its go a lot farther node

[sonic obsidian]

This I do remember, and it rocked.

I guess I also mean like.. what do I use as a filler attack/basic attack when things are on cooldown etc etc.

[turbid dome]

block is a very good not die defensive layer

[turbid dome]

tbh even if rive doesn't get a fire tag, just go foe reaver with some fat melee fire dmg on your sword

rive is basically the go to spammy free skill

[sonic obsidian]

There is that, and I think Rive gets some good ignite/fire shred skill nodes too

[turbid dome]

other than smite, but smite is more so for spell builds

[turbid dome]

yeah just keep in mind that flame drinker consumes ignites on enemies for phys pen so you probs dont want that

and also grab the node after foe reaver

so you don't randomly make forged weapons and instead get a solid stacking buff

[sonic obsidian]

sweet

and maybe I'll try sword and shield this go around

can always respec

[turbid dome]

block is always good

[sonic obsidian]

opens up variety too

[turbid dome]

you can do a sceptre + shield with rive + cast on melee hit healing hands (have it be a fire dmg spell)

as pally gets two nodes that gives flat spell dmg while holding a shield

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance get Fire
Rive get Void

[turbid dome]

swag

Pvt. Vlad comes in clutch once again

[sonic obsidian]

can I transmog a sceptre to look like a sword?

[turbid dome]

no

you can get spell damage as an affix on swords

[quiet hearth]

healing hands

[turbid dome]

Ah

[sonic obsidian]

well, shield bash is pretty fun

[quiet hearth]

guess I'll have to try out vengeance when they update if it's getting the fire tag, wish rive would too

[sonic obsidian]

Vengeance with the fire tag will be cool

[waxen nymph]

Hoping Rive iysv getting it too
Wish MS gets a conversion too

[turbid dome]

MS gets a conversion where it gets max swords equal to the number of damage types and each extra sword is a different damage type

ez

all the tags

[ionic gust]

Ye I saw that, is there a different way to build it outside that? Feels like it does as much damage as a single Forged Weapon so kinda feels like a waste to invest into, but I am just leveling :I

[waxen nymph]

Imo it's not worth using a skill slot for it if you are not going for it

Because you already need 2 slots for Forged Weapons ( Forge Strike and MS or Warpath) + Volatile Reversal ( sucks but kinda mandatory in Sentinel rn)
Void Cleave is super strong.
And for the last slot I see Ring of Shield, Healing Hand, Sigils of Hope and maybe last MA

@ionic gust

[turbid dome]

very valid

[ionic gust]

Gotcha :) ty

[waxen nymph]

What are you using to spawn your FW?

Malorak

[ionic gust]

Well the char died lol

but I used Multistrike with forgestrike

[turbid dome]

o7

[past nest]

I hope Multistrike and Vengeance get some giga cool changes. They’re so bad when Rive exists

And they’re all too similar anyway

[uneven gorge]

Most of note regarding the two is that multistrike will have an option to all attack the same target; making it viable in bossing (hopefully). And vengeance will have it's iron blades fixed/buffed (not to mention the fire conversion). So just what we've already been told about them they seem to be pretty good

[alpine canopy]

Bladestorm MS looks like it'll eat your mana, so it'll be an interesting challenge to build

could be really good

[waxen nymph]

If Time and Faith is untouched, I reckon it should be enough

[winter copper]

with current tree that change still not enough to make it viable for bosses outside of smite version

[alpine canopy]

It will do a lot of heavy lifting, but we'll need mana regen as well - especially on VK with echoes presumably consuming mana