Eh, I think completely gutting the recovery tanking archtype isnt the way to go. Make it mechanical, you take too many hits from spooky monster, your healing takes it to the teeth
#🔱┃sentinel
quiet hearth
turbid dome
Eh, I think completely gutting the recovery tanking archtype isnt the way to go....
So like taking damage inflicts injuries, each injury reduces healing by x%?
quiet hearth
Something like that, then bosses could have bigger injury amounts, to make taking the hits more dangerous overall
alpine canopy
Nah, just give me what my skills say they give, I don't want everything to debuff constantly and then need to somehow watch out for that
turbid dome
That’s sorta like FF14 and the Cheeto puffs of doom
quiet hearth
I didnt say everything, it would be specific things, and the debuff is obvious when it happens.
blazing grotto
to be fair, aurora is just as op in general use
turbid dome
to be fair, aurora is just as op in general use
oh I wasn't even talking about aurora's, just leech in general
blazing grotto
i know, i was just adding to it
it's already hard enough to kill a stacked sentinel but paired with aurora ? you're pretty much a god unless you're one shot
turbid dome
slap on the vk node to panic yeet everyone near you into the future
blazing grotto
i had fun at times with the phantom gloves and bosses
making rahyeh and harbingers run away from me with terrify kek
turbid dome
jovial oasis
Sometimes when I use Terrify it feels like i get locked in place until I either use it again or use a traversal
is that a my perception thing, or just a known issue?
junior wren
it happens when you target an inaccessible area
I had the same happen when using Javelin dash
blazing grotto
Which is logical since there is no hitbox
junior wren
a logical thing would be that if player uses a skill on an inaccessible area, the game will redirect the travel target to the nearest accessible area
not lock you in place
blazing grotto
That would be an adjustment not a logical thing
junior wren
it's a logical solution to a common problem
blazing grotto
It's an "I can't do that" moment
jovial oasis
Getting locked in place until you use another movement skill isn't a logical solution; NOTHING happening would be logical, since you can't do it.
Terrify even goes off sometimes and I still get stuck, which means it is doubly incorrect
alpine canopy
a logical thing would be that if player uses a skill on an inaccessible area, th...
This is what most movement skills do
blazing grotto
Isn't it just because of casting speed ? Lol
junior wren
iirc as early as Diablo 1 you could teleport into a wall and end up being teleported next to the wall, so if the standards in 2024 went down to "I can't do that", it's quite sad 🙂
jovial oasis
Gotta use Terraria's solution for player displacement and let us hoik our way through monos
While I'm faffing around on my erasing strike sentinel, what skill + things should I be looking for for other sentinel builds? Like I hear Smelters Wrath is back to being garbage, but is forge strike ever +'d? I played a FG on 1.0 and it felt horrid at the level I got it to (maybe 70ish?) and I ended up just swapping off of sent entirely lol
junior wren
the ones you want to play 😄
jovial oasis
I more mean which ones are even useful to + up in the first place, because if Smelter's is so bad it doesn't warrant the slot, there's no point in getting shards for it
junior wren
if someone decides to play Smelter's, it doesn't matter if you see the skill as bad or not, because the decision is already made, and you will want + skill to Smelter's. That's why it depends on what you want to play.
As for forge strike, there's different flavours (minions, dot, direct, proc, support), so it depends on what you played.
turbid dome
I think draven had a triple dot forge strike thingy
turbid dome
future strike build incoming
quiet hearth
I honestly never though about adding that in
turbid dome
you can get it on anomaly (:
quiet hearth
ewww
quiet hearth
Im still amazed how well the ruby fang thing did
Rive needs to be able to gain the fire tag
VK can make HH echo right?
alpine canopy
VK can make HH echo right?
Yes, if you make it a melee attack and directly use it, it can echo
jovial oasis
IT was more than triple but yeah
Was it any good?
gleaming pine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXZ5tswxQWo here is monos and boss kill at 1k corruption. boss takes 30 seconds, feels...slow? i dunno.
gleaming pine
gonna make an erasing strike bonker, see how that is for boss kill time. i think it's way better
quiet hearth
Was it any good?
I got bored before I really could scale it, didnt have the gear just yet I gotta go back to it because I realized VK would be better over all. But I had zero dmg issues right before empowered so I have no reason to think it couldnt at least do that.
jovial oasis
I do kind of want to do a minion FG because that seems right, yknow, but who knows
quiet hearth
I mean as long as you match the dmg types FG is perfectly viable right now. I just like doing weird stuff.
jovial oasis
It just felt pretty meh, like the minions didn't actually do anything for me lol
Also, unrelated, but do you have any goofy mage or acolyte builds? I know acolyte loves single minions but I want to make one of those skele rogue flask builds work somehow lol
quiet hearth
I dont really do summoners, dont like the playstyle.
I was working on a mana stacking gaspars thing at one point
alpine canopy
Also, unrelated, but do you have any goofy mage or acolyte builds? I know acolyt...
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7RVdRzQ
Probably needs a ton more minion health investment to do empowered monos, but the damage is there
jovial oasis
hmm interesting
quiet hearth
I still cant decide if proccing HH with Rive is best or to just use WP and convert it to fire
cobalt blade
Wowzer 200+ messages and morning peepo
quiet hearth
Still likely Rive just because it's hard to pass up 80% echo chance
cobalt blade
Isnt WP 80% too?
cobalt blade
Ahh
quiet hearth
The All DoT build
quiet hearth
I just realized that ruby venom doesn't have a cap on it xD
willow cloak
How does this look?
Any tips for improvement?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGNvpDxQ
crude matrixBOT
mortal rapids
I just realized that ruby venom doesn't have a cap on it xD
The set?
chilly peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXZ5tswxQWo here is monos and boss kill at 1k co...
Yeah, inacceptable slow 🤭
gleaming pine
Yeah, inacceptable slow 🤭
yeah i thought so. i dunno what would be acceptable for sentinel though, maybe 5-10 seconds?
chilly peak
...
gleaming pine
what?
chilly peak
Really 5 seconds? Mana stacking sorc is done in one second and already focusing again ^^ They can probably kill 2x 1k Boss in 10secs 
If the devs are trying to avoid powercreep in an ARPG, you can be sure that the community will be there to help.🤦♂️
gleaming pine
i can kill abby in 2 seconds yeah (on sorc), but that's why i was asking if 30 seconds for a 1k boss was what other people were doing on various vk/sent builds
you said it was slow which i thought you were being serious
i dunno, im pretty sure erasing strike is way faster than 30
turbid dome
i dunno, im pretty sure erasing strike is way faster than 30
Given erasing strike was designed to not have 100% up time with no cooldown, yes it is hella fast
turbid dome
yes you could do the infinite bonk before world splitter but capping crit was significantly harder for it which ate up a lot of spots, also the whole mana stacking build that doesn’t have any direct scaling off of mana
quiet hearth
The set?
the shield, the set bonus is just poison chance per uncapped fire res
The fact that any build can kill them that fast shows that player power is way too high
hollow hound
Let's assume i have the game sense of a 5y old, what void knight build would allow me to beat abberoth?
sick trench
crude matrixBOT
sick trench
can anyone give me some advice on how to make some quick improvements
wait wrong info
crude matrixBOT
robust void
Ill take al ook
waxen nymph
Let's assume i have the game sense of a 5y old, what void knight build would all...
ER World Splitter I guess
waxen nymph
wait wrong info
Before I start looking, what were you trying to build ?
waxen nymph
Your Gloves make you take more dmg
You have no Hp on your gear, making you very squishy
sick trench
my goal is to get the nova hammerdin forgeguard but I guess need to reach level 70 before I can start working on that
waxen nymph
Your sustain should be decent with HH but your max hp is too low
sick trench
whats hh?
waxen nymph
Healing Hand
sick trench
ah
waxen nymph
You dont seem to have a Traversal Skill
sick trench
yeah was using lunge but that maxroll guide said to get rid of it
waxen nymph
I mean you can remove HH from your bar and use unspecced Lunge
turbid dome
Wow that is low max hp
sick trench
around what hp should i be aiming for
turbid dome
2k to 3k for like a start
quiet hearth
1600 we live by clenched sphincters here
waxen nymph
I mean lvl 60 and starting Monos, 1500 would be a good place to start
turbid dome
Basically get flat life and % life on your armor, grab the might node in forge guards tree
Wait is this build pre monos
sick trench
No I can do monos
turbid dome
Ok you def want like 2k life before empowered monos
How many health shards (flat and %) do you have in your material storage
sick trench
35 flat and 3 %
turbid dome
Ok go into your loot filter and recolor those two shards to be like pink or something, whenever an item with them drops shatter the item so you can build up a stash of both for crafting some better armor
Tho if one drops on a good base with a lot of health keep that for crafting
Vitality too, since it gives flat life and res as a prefix
sick trench
ok ty
harsh nova
especially until you get a shattered chains belt super easy place to get a ton of hp
turbid dome
Belt gets the hybrid flat and % life right
turbid dome
sick trench
I feel like i messed up choosing circle of fortune instead of merchants guild, if i try to switch id have to give up my gear
harsh nova
CoF takes off after you capitalize on prophecies
before then it's a handicap basically
quiet hearth
CoF and MG are for two types of players is all, no real wrong choice
turbid dome
Merchants guild takes off once you get a billion gold item to sell (and someone buys it)
harsh nova
there's so many 2/4 stat pieces you can grab for 10k tho
quiet hearth
Not really, just being able to go, I want this thing so I buy it, I hate random loot hunting
turbid dome
@sick trench My recommendation for early CoF is just spam exalted gear prophecies for a single slot, until you get one that works well
Then move on to the next slot
sick trench
sounds good i will
harsh nova
^ i like to start with chest nd weapon, feels really impactful for both dps and defense
turbid dome
Yeah weapon is the best to start with
They can’t kill you if their dead
quiet hearth
But your DPS when you are dead is zero, such is the struggle
turbid dome
And regular monos shouldn’t obliterate you before you can get some better armor
harsh nova
gonna depend on what you naturally find which you focus
turbid dome
That too
harsh nova
should bring up whichever is weaker imo
but the gear moves pretty fast at that point it's not really an issue either way
turbid dome
All of their gear is weak, if I had to pick one it would be weapon to do first
quiet hearth
Also pay attention to mono mods, or you might wind up wondering why suddenly everything is so freaking deadly or you deal no damage.
harsh nova
wish favor was less linear scaling with exp so when you did lower monos you got more to get you rolling, CoF really takes until like lvl 85-90 before i felt like i could take good advantage to actually target farm. a lot of the objectives for monoliths are pretty tough going up to 300 corruption, and dungeons on a lot of builds are also tough in tier 4
quiet hearth
Yeah, favor costs are a little wack right now.
harsh nova
and then they nerf our favor farm
turbid dome
They could add a prophecy region that just give favor, like your doing quests for the circle
harsh nova
sadly it's the last system i'd like to see visited again, so many need love before favor
it doesn't feel bad currently, just doesn't feel amazing
quiet hearth
#justice4lich
quiet hearth
I want more melee support for acy so bad, I was on some copium for Warlock having more support
harsh nova
real question is can we even call ES a melee build anymore 😆
turbid dome
real question is can we even call ES a melee build anymore 😆
It has the melee tag so yes?
If a screen wide slam attack is called melee in poe, ES is basically the same thing
harsh nova
😆
jovial oasis
Wait is grim harvest melee lich any good in current patch? 
turbid dome
That’s a good question, tho I think you would be hard pressed to find a harvest lich without it
jovial oasis
For sure, I just happen to have the scythe this time around lmao
turbid dome
My recommendation would be full leech heal reaper form for it
You can do low life ward with it using hollow lich so no leech but then you need potions to stay in reaper mode
Reaper form makes me wish there was a void corrupted form for VK
jovial oasis
Transforms are cool
jovial oasis
So are lasers, spreading dots, and hilarious amounts of projectiles
turbid dome
Hey vk has spreading dot for time rot
Sadly it caps at 12
turbid dome
jovial oasis
Actually thats a mechanic I don't quite understand: what influences the dmg of one of the aforementioned ailments aside from DoT affixes?
waxen nymph
Plague > %Poison, %DoT, %Poison/DoT Pen, %More Dmg from the skill that applied it
Spreading Flame > Same but change Poison by Fire/Elemental DoT
turbid dome
Does the aliment pages in the game guide give a breakdown for each
I’ve never done an aliment build so I’ve never looked at them in detail
waxen nymph
I dont know but its pretty obvious
turbid dome
Fair
waxen nymph
A Phys Ailment scale with Phys and Dot, a Void Ailment with Void and DoT etc
Then you need to look for applicable Penetration/Shred
turbid dome
It took me a while to realize that %more dmg from the skill that applies the aliment makes the aliment do more dmg
waxen nymph
And then the %More Dmg from the Skill
waxen nymph
It took me a while to realize that %more dmg from the skill that applies the ali...
That one is not obvious, but its in the game guide.
And its probably one of the most important one too
waxen nymph
I remember a few months ago I was watching a French streamer and he was cooking a Smite Bleed
He was not taking Sacrifice
And had very little Dmg
turbid dome
waxen nymph
I told him about it
turbid dome
That was the wrong emote
waxen nymph
His dmg just skyrocketted
turbid dome
250% more dmg does that to a build
turbid dome
jovial oasis
That one is not obvious, but its in the game guide.
Now how's that work in instances like the idol which lets minions apply plague?
Does that plague inherit the minion's stats or still function off of the character's
alpine canopy
Does that plague inherit the minion's stats or still function off of the charact...
Minion stats (which could be very good or bad, since some minions have a lot of more multis, and some have a hidden more multi as well)
jovial oasis
Hmh, so to complicate that, what about Skeleton Rogues that are under the effect of Lethal concentration 🤔 looking on LET I don't know what the actual stats are for those minions, since Skeleton Rogue's dont actually have a listed scaling or anything like that, just says that they scale with cast speed, minion, bow and area under tags
turbid dome
Hmh, so to complicate that, what about Skeleton Rogues that are under the effect...
https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/skeleton_rogue
its in the minion list
jovial oasis
Why doesn't that come up when looking through the skills and what they summon 
turbid dome
idk
this is the minion page not the skill page, I always go here for anything minion stat wise
jovial oasis
Is "40% less damage" additive or multiplicative
The lack of a skill% on skeletons is kind of a bummer, but lethal concentration's ability to roughly double poison% might make up for it somewhat
turbid dome
unless i'm mixing something up, less is the opposite of more so its multiplicative, this is why event horizon will kill your attack speed even if you have a ton of increased attack speed
jovial oasis
😢
might be a dead dream, then.
unrelated, but is there any permutation of vk or something that would use a 1h sword w/ void damage
blazing grotto
unless i'm mixing something up, less is the opposite of more so its multiplicati...
it's inversely multiplicative
jovial oasis
it's inversely multiplicative
multiplicativ'nt
blazing grotto
yep
turbid dome
it's inversely multiplicative
Don’t make me think of work outside of work hours
quiet hearth
I wish they would just merge spreading flames into ignite
waxen nymph
Why?
harsh nova
made a nice one 
turbid dome
made a nice one <:POG:799783247121743883>
jovial oasis
Looks pretty bad, I'll take it off of your hands for free though 
harsh nova
sending to charsi now
gleaming pine
is echo dmg on a prefix better than str/vit for erasing strike build?
harsh nova
once you reach critical mass 80% of ur damage is coming from echos, so it's comparable at worst
especially since the build's crit multi is a gabillion
harsh nova
mostly i didn't have the FP to do anything else with it so just went with it, could go various ways with that one to balance the build proper
gleaming pine
seems like a few viable options for prefix, str/vit/mana/echo
harsh nova
yep
alpine canopy
Hmh, so to complicate that, what about Skeleton Rogues that are under the effect...
Yeah, all the poison modifiers on the rogues apply to plague (the poison damage type, not the poison ailment)
As do the multipliers from dread shade and whatnot
cobalt blade
🥹
waxen nymph
Really nice! 🤩🤩🤩
cobalt blade
nice joke nemmy
flint inlet
ooh..this reminds me of when nemesis added T5 endurance to my anchor of oblivion
cobalt blade
ooh..this reminds me of when nemesis added T5 endurance to my anchor of oblivion
At least it will be useful for Face of the Mountain
flint inlet
no...I thought there might be something like ctrl+click...but that is in game
cobalt blade
turbid dome
slamming with a T1 is bold
cobalt blade
Engiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! 😭
turbid dome
wickedddddddddddddddddddddddd
blazing grotto
it's not just bold
cobalt blade
At least its not too bad after the successfool slam on the 3LP Taste of Blood
blazing grotto
how did you end up with a T1 even
cobalt blade
at least there is something for today
cobalt blade
how did you end up with a T1 even
FG left 7, i rune of creation'ed it
turbid dome
cobalt blade
ah no.. my exalted glove have T7 atk spd and T5 hybrid health
blazing grotto
if all you wanted to creation was the T7 you could have just farmed another piece
cobalt blade
just the slam didn't went well
blazing grotto
you're supposed to minimize risks kek
cobalt blade
blazing grotto
wouldnt have mattered if it was crit chance but heh
blazing grotto
maybe a hit build
turbid dome
a hit build without crit sounds like a big bad idea
blazing grotto
not necessarily
turbid dome
blazing grotto
but i do agree it makes them less versatile
cobalt blade
Singularity can be used in that case but i dont know any build for it yet
turbid dome
what hit skill doesn't want crits
turbid dome
can't forge guard minions crit
blazing grotto
they can but you cant
turbid dome
oh do they not inherit the no crits line
blazing grotto
didnt it seem obvious ?
the affix is literally you cannot deal crits
doesnt say anything about minions
turbid dome
when the thing is "non complex affixes aren't inherited by forge guard minions", idk which ones count as non complex right off the start
also in my mind if the minions get the gloves stats said minion would count as the you in that line
blazing grotto
i mean multiplying your crit chance by 0 isn't complex tbh
turbid dome
yeah thats why I thought the minions would inheriet that line/affix
and then count as the you in that line since they now have that line/affix
blazing grotto
maybe the complex part is about it not being a "stat"
turbid dome
cobalt blade
if you focus on minion build, you still get a hit skill for yourself? to go with singularity?
blazing grotto
what about the one that buffs your minions if you hit them ?
turbid dome
fire void cleave goes brrr
cobalt blade
sounds like a masochist
blazing grotto
thats because it is
flint inlet
is there a workaround to this unable to pickup loot after repeatedly clicking on the item bug?
waxen nymph
I dont think there is
lethal relic
FG - Does Last Wish (kills summon sigils of hope) trigger Word of Power (3 secs +dmg after casting sigils of hope)?
waxen nymph
No, you need a direct cast of sigils
waxen nymph
If you want to use Word of Power, you will have to cast it
You can take the node to make it Instant
lethal relic
aaaaaand literally just got the ring. lol
turbid dome
blazing grotto
do y'all cast it during boss fights?
nobody casts usually once they have the ring
harsh nova
we bonkin now lads
quiet hearth
#Rivesuperiority
quiet hearth
Like, I just wanna put Rive and Harvest on a board in a meeting room and just point and them and scowl until they realize what's wrong.
tribal crane
t4 julra kill
oh god the screenshaking, doesnt that make you dizzy?
magic panther
Im curious, is it possible to unlock Anomaly without being Void Knight? Just need 30 passives in the tree?
tribal crane
Im curious, is it possible to unlock Anomaly without being Void Knight? Just nee...
nope, have to be void knight
magic panther
yup, was just testing in build planner, thanks for replying 🙂
harsh nova
oh god the screenshaking, doesnt that make you dizzy?
nope lol. makes the impact feel great actually
turbid dome
Like, I just wanna put Rive and Harvest on a board in a meeting room and just po...
Give lich rive
quiet hearth
Give lich an actuall melee skill, because it's a hole in acy currently and is on theme.
wide heart
we bonkin now lads
God damn. How?
harsh nova
here's my gear atm, can play around with a few slots to get more hp, capping out at around 5800 hp and lowering rive to about 450k-475k
really all about the 2 lp apathys tho tbh
rest is just get hp or dmage in the slot till u feel comfy but the axe does most of the work
gleaming pine
here's my gear atm, can play around with a few slots to get more hp, capping out...
what corruption are you at?
harsh nova
what corruption are you at?
850
shades are so strong at this point it's just not worth the effort to push up more
gleaming pine
also did you try world splitter?
i think i have 1 2lp maw, but already hit a 0.5 world splitter with t7 void melee. maw needs to hit both the 2lp to be better than a 1lp 0.5% world splitter?
harsh nova
don't have a 2lp worth using
i have a flat damage world splitter 1 lp and it's half the damage for erasing strike
gleaming pine
oh wow..
harsh nova
-- granted im not a mana stacking build so i don't get extra crit multi from it
harsh nova
attack speed flat melee and void pen is what u want
melee with either of the other 2 is goodd
gleaming pine
melee with either of the other 2 is goodd
dont you want base crit chance?
warped night
melee crit & attack speed are the way to go for rive
harsh nova
dont you want base crit chance?
nope
you use a combination of these 3 nodes to crit cap
if attack speed left side better imo
heres my build at 800c atm
cobalt blade
That mana rubberbanding and the cycling between VR and Void Well 
harsh nova
😆 yeah i have a bunch of fun with this one
im kinda lazy with dumping enough ES with my excess mana but itt's mostly a rive build with an outlet for mana
cobalt blade
Your hp rubberbanding at the end against Inquisitor too
jovial oasis
I totally didn't read the bottom part of that, damn
harsh nova
yeah insane 1 point wonder in the ES tree
cobalt blade
You gain so much hp, its gushing out from your nose
turbid dome
its also in a easy place to yoink a point if your doing crit on es which you better be
jovial oasis
wait I am, are you saying yoink as in take the point out of there? 🫥
harsh nova
my tree atm
jovial oasis
Is there a notable difference between the damage on full hp vs damage on weakened enemies (the 2 nodes just under middle)? I assume it depends on when/how/if you use traversal skills, right?
harsh nova
yes massive difference depending on if you want boss damage or aoe clear
ruthless gives +25% per point on full hp enemies
merciful does +5%
jovial oasis
oh right that'd also matter--I use the damage on weakened anyway because (I dont have worldsplitter) I tend to lunge>cleave>erasing
harsh nova
don't have enough cleaves anyways is why i have the movespeed
and then i'll cleave relaly big distances or as a finisher
rather than the engage use it as a finisher
turbid dome
wait I am, are you saying yoink as in take the point out of there? 🫥
yoink means get it, my thing was just saying its right on the path to the crit cluster in the tree so you dont need to spent any points to reach it
harsh nova
once ur crit capped cleave just clears trash itself also
jovial oasis
I'm close to crit cap, but not quite there. Need to do math (ew) to figure out how far I am w/ erasing strike
harsh nova
mine's like 80-85% or something
work in progress, just sharing what i'm workin with lots of flexibility for me atm
point here or there ect
turbid dome
<:groleshades:1182373912676405359>
On one hand yay a meme
On the other please don’t use singularity
cobalt blade
Should i sacrifice 1 idol slot for singularity for my bleed warpath . At least the warpath itself can do some funny dmg
turbid dome
Should i sacrifice 1 idol slot for singularity for my bleed warpath <:omegalul:5...
does singularity make the bleed from warpath bigger, or is it just %more from the skill tree itself
quiet hearth
singularity is just hit dmg no?
alpine canopy
does singularity make the bleed from warpath bigger, or is it just %more from th...
No, singularity is more hit damage only
cobalt blade
does singularity make the bleed from warpath bigger, or is it just %more from th...
That's interesting if i am to use it with my VK warrior fury
So i ignore crit stat and just let singularity more hit dmg scale with the ramping dmg and size?
turbid dome
No, singularity is more hit damage only
darn
cobalt blade
But i doubt that more hit dmg can compete with multi crit
It does open up more room for affix if you ignore crit and crit multi
quiet hearth
It cant, since crit multi is a more multi in and of itself
cobalt blade
Yup
quiet hearth
And the way crit chance works, it's just never worth it, as even just like 10% chance beats out a perfect singularity
alpine canopy
20% crit chance is the break even point if you don't get any multi, it's really easy to do better than singularity
cobalt blade
Is there really a singularity viable build
quiet hearth
Viable yes, but we're talking 5/10 viable
quiet hearth
That's not how that works, 300c is the upper end of what the devs want most builds at
But also 20% isnt really gonna make or break anything
blazing grotto
i'm not sure there's a fitting build for singularity these days
alpine canopy
Is there really a singularity viable build
I haven't found any cases where it's better than scaling crit, but sure you can run it. Maybe it's okay on vortex pennant bleed since scaling crit is a waste, but you have some phys damage that will scale your hits a bit.
blazing grotto
maybe a build where your main attack skill can't crit
because of a perk for instance
blazing grotto
i seem to remember a few skills that had such a thing
cobalt blade
I assume you need high base added dmg efficiency on the skill itself too?
Warpath only 60%
EQ is 600%
Or 500
blazing grotto
FG (FS) has one node
quiet hearth
yeah but its not really gonna do anything because that's a DOT build
cobalt blade
Bleed pen huh
blazing grotto
you need to hit to apply dots anyway
quiet hearth
Only it's not gonna be enough to worry with because you're focusing on the DoT, with that line you dont worry at all about the hit part
cobalt blade
Any hit build that dont care crit but benefits greatly from more atk spd?
blazing grotto
some frenzy builds maybe ?
cobalt blade
Ooo
Sword catcher increase frenzy duration or effect? I forgot
But that if u parried
blazing grotto
maybe both
btw i'm wondering, what if a skill has an "always crits" node and you have an item like singularity equipped, which one prevails ?
turbid dome
I think singularity prevails it and says no crits
alpine canopy
I assume you need high base added dmg efficiency on the skill itself too?
No, that doesn't really matter on its own
alpine canopy
btw i'm wondering, what if a skill has an "always crits" node and you have an it...
"Always crit" really just means +100% flat crit, singularity outright disables crits
blazing grotto
found another skill node, from the mages' Glacier
quiet hearth
isnt the node right after that the regain mana on crit though?
turbid dome
static collpase has ward on crit + the movement version of glacier behind it'
blazing grotto
anyway that's the only node i found for Mages
sentinel also only had that other one
primalist doesnt have any
Lich's Reaper Form with Reap
alpine canopy
It synergizes with those gloves, and that's about it really
blazing grotto
you can stack Falconer's Aerial Assault/Prowess buffs if you dont crit
that's about all the uses i found for skill nodes, other than that it would be about items unless a patch comes up
it's pretty funny in a way because there's no real synergy with Aerial Assault because the main node gives 1 stack if you crit and that other node only gives a chance to get a stack on non-crit, so unless you play a Falconer without crit.... no real use for it
turbid dome
quiet hearth
Future sight seems pretty meh
quiet hearth
egg failed me
lethal gorge
Question, is siphon on agnuish a bit of trap late game? I am lvl 97 vk war path and looking at the stats... void pen with doom doesn't matter, maw gives me doom stacks (it caps at 4 so its instantly capped), the leech seems neglible and so it basically give ele res and move speed? What am I missing.
turbid dome
its not hard finding 2 or 3 lp versions of it mostly
leech would let a vk drop leech on tree
lethal gorge
not many things to grab on the tree tho
and yea 2 is very easy
still have to slam tho so wondering if its viable to ditch it
quiet hearth
yeah the middle of VK is really weird with only a few decent things
turbid dome
I normally grab the flat melee void there so its not bad for me to skip it if I have some siphons on
tho also rive gaming has the rive node at the top
quiet hearth
I want all skills to be looked at with Rive as the poster boy example of what a good skill is, though Frost Wall is another good example. That thing is so good.
Though I wish they would stop being cowards and make it phys dmg per Str on Weapon Master node.
lethal gorge
is doom pen bugged when hovering over skill dmg?
25.8k warpath with this ring
nvm ignore me
turbid dome
lethal gorge
does egg of forgotten bonuses scale with corruption?
waxen nymph
No
Corruption only gives you more chance to encounter Nemesis, and more chance to have an egg
quiet hearth
Im pretty sure it also increase the chance of getting multiple extra affixes and more lp
lethal gorge
Im pretty sure it also increase the chance of getting multiple extra affixes and...
this is what I want to know, seems like that anecdotally
blazing grotto
egg failed me
better than me and my double minion affix
quiet hearth
I dont know who Mike is
waxen nymph
EHG Mike, senior dev of Last Epoch
He is the one doing the Friday's dev stream and usually answer question in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs
turbid dome
always fun to see Mike in global chat
tight jolt
Is Forge Guard trash or just outshined by Void?
turbid dome
Is Forge Guard trash or just outshined by Void?
forge guard has minion builds
it also has some strong dot builds
ontop of just better (overall) defenses than vk gets
blazing grotto
i'd even say better than paladin tbh
turbid dome
Yeah pally gets consistent sustain
tight jolt
Ah, okay. It just doesn't seem to have near as much content around it and don't see many people talking about it, so I just assumed it wasn't really played for whatever reason.
turbid dome
theres not a ton of content cause this is the fist time the mastery has been in a good spot since like forever
blazing grotto
and i keep hearing that it still needs buffs
turbid dome
clarification on what the minions inherit in game would be a nice qol
tight jolt
clarification on what the minions inherit in game would be a nice qol
Yeah that'd be nice lol
quiet hearth
Yeah pally gets consistent sustain
we all get HH, we all get sustain xD
turbid dome
we all get HH, we all get sustain xD
easier access to increasing healing
quiet hearth
everyone can get healing abyssal echoes
turbid dome
yes
quiet hearth
At this point, I really feel FG just needs its skills adjusted and it will be fine, I would like to see more block/block effectiveness in the Sent trees though. Like why does primalist get more regen than the gods themselves but we get like...6% extra block
turbid dome
yay block chance
quiet hearth
or FG innately getting some sort of armor to dmg passive, to put it in line with the other two which scale off of their themes
turbid dome
doesnt multi strike have armor to damage or something
jovial oasis
Impossible!
While we're asking for things that may never come I'd like to sit in spriggan form and vomit poison stacks as a viable thing for primalist, and also have any t7s drop for my vk instead of things that fit pally better
harsh nova
is doom pen bugged when hovering over skill dmg?
yes
it doesn't cap doom stacks in the tooltip
alpine canopy
doesnt multi strike have armor to damage or something
Yes, but two issues: it's multistrike, and also the cap is really low to where it's just a good damage node that really takes little/no armor investment
quiet hearth
the node in question engi
turbid dome
ah
quiet hearth
and that costs 5pts vs rives 4 lol
turbid dome
<@&1161418687471956101> spam bot
cobalt blade
Its in every channel ouch
turbid dome
cobalt blade
Also hi Engiii
lone olive
turbid dome
yay muffin murdered it
lone olive
jovial oasis
is multistrike really ever the best tool? I know it can proc smite or whatever, but isn't it otherwise worse than rive (for damage) or vengeance (for tank/ripsote or whatever the hell its called)
turbid dome
It has a pretty nice mana node, tho I think it’s the best for forged weapon generation?
It does have an echo node, but 2 extra swords for echos using it isn’t a lot
Rive just has two goated nodes next to each other and an easy to reach crit cluster
I also don’t think the multi strike swords can hit the target your hitting
You could probably make a decent bleeder with it
cobalt blade
Dont know whats that (cuz i only use warpath) but bleeeed
turbid dome
Like the more I think about multi strike, the more I realize the skill just makes you jump through so many hoops
mortal cobalt
Yeah i really want to like multistrike, its just... frustrating. clear was usually okay but the single target even using HH to supplement it ends up feeling.... kind of wack in a way that is a bummer.
its not even Terrible its just everything it can do it feels like something another skill can do better without having to contort yourself into making it work
junior wren
I'm curious. Multistrike creates those swords, and those obviously inherit the % damage bonuses from Multistrike skill tree. But what if they are replaced by Smite? Do Smite procs from Multistrike still inherit those % damage bonuses from multistrike tree?
waxen nymph
No
Unless specifically stated, a Skill (a proper one with a tree) procced by another one doesnt get any bonuses from the skill that proccs it
junior wren
I see, so going for those damage nodes only has purpose if you're using the swords/axes/spears (from the Multistrike tree, not as in weapon types), but not the smites.
waxen nymph
Yup
junior wren
Unless specifically stated, a Skill (a proper one with a tree) procced by anothe...
Lightning Blast from Smite tree does get the bonuses though 😄
alpine canopy
Multistrike is pretty nice for an electrify build, proccing HH and smite
turbid dome
It’s nice but multi strike just makes you jump through hoops while rive is just chill and like “ya want damage? Here ya go”
Multi strike getting inherent electrify support would be cool tho
waxen nymph
Lightning Blast from Smite tree does get the bonuses though 😄
Are you sure?
Because it shouldn't
rigid tangle
Multistrike is pretty nice for an electrify build, proccing HH and smite
how do I proc Healing hands from multistrike?
is it through smite?
waxen nymph
Doesn't need to be a Melee Attack too
You 'need to invest pts into Cleric Hammer (a node inside HH)
alpine canopy
Yeah, cleric hammer works for any melee attack, not just multistrike. I do make HH a melee attack for that electrify build though, to proc more smites from palarus and to get more electrify chance from aurelis and jav
quiet hearth
Make the HH work on any spell node, I wanna have it cast during Rebuke
junior wren
rebuke is channeled, so it would only cast once at the start
junior wren
Are you sure?
I think I saw a smite video posted in #🎥┃video-shoutout recently where the lightning hit pretty hard
alpine canopy
Honestly would be a VK thing, they are the most caster-y sent class
waxen nymph
I think I saw a smite video posted in <#427577948435120140> recently where the l...
Yes, but it doesn't mean they were benefiting from any nodes in MS
junior wren
I don't think you can hit for nearly the same amount as the main smite target without the damage nodes 😄
waxen nymph
He is not even using Multistrike
junior wren
ofc not, we're talking about smite and lightning blast now. I trust you about the multistrike 🙂
waxen nymph
Oh so I think you misunderstood me
junior wren
🤔
waxen nymph
Proccing a skill that has a skill tree with another skill (like MS proccing Smite)
slow plaza
Multistrike does not give its more damage bonuses to Smite
waxen nymph
You don't get anything to the procc skill unless stated specifically
But Lightning Blast inside Smite is a subskill
Thats a whole different business
harsh nova
but the proced skill still benefits from it's tree
junior wren
But Lightning Blast inside Smite is a subskill
I understood you. I was just pointing out that Lightning Blast (which is also a skill with its own skilltree) gets the bonuses from Smite tree.
waxen nymph
Well yes but no
It's the same name but not the same skill (99% sure)
junior wren
🤷♂️
harsh nova
actually smooth brain design if they make 2 mechanics the same name and different effect
junior wren
LETools lists three lightning blasts. Apparently one is base skill, one is the channeled version, and one is the focal blast version (long line damage version)
when I look up Smite, the passive node on LETools also links to the base skill version, but LETools could also be wrong
funnily enough, tunklab doesn't list any skill on that particular node, but it lists a skill on the next Wandering Bolts node, and the skill listed is Storm Bolt
quiet hearth
rebuke is channeled, so it would only cast once at the start
i literally said make it work, Im aware of the current interactions
junior wren
i literally said make it work, Im aware of the current interactions
you said "make it work on any spell node", which means something else
quiet hearth
Pedantic this mornign but fair enough, but those were also two seperate lines, hence the comma. But to put it clearly in line, I want HH to cast while channeling rebuke.
turbid dome
actually smooth brain design if they make 2 mechanics the same name and differen...
We have 4 different void beams, one for each way to generate and target them
All the same name 👍
tight jolt
Oh my god all those void beams are different??
Is that why the nodes seemed to not work when I was trying them out
turbid dome
The only one that is different tooltip wise is the one that summons the beams that move in an arc
Which I guess makes sense given there’s the ones for erasing strike and the ones with shield rush, they do behave very differently
alpine canopy
Even if they were all the same exact skill, they still only scale from the spec of the skill that procs them since they are subskills. Just like void rift.
turbid dome
Yeah
It makes sense to me why there’s 4 separate ones given they all move around in unique ways compared to each other
I just wish that like the one that sticks to your front while shield rushing was called void lance, instead of having all 4 be the same name
quiet hearth
That would be great
waxen nymph
I just wish that like the one that sticks to your front while shield rushing was...
I wish the ones from Shield Rush were not running away so fast so they can tick more than 2 times on the same mob
quiet hearth
they should have those chase enemies like the snake ladies beam
waxen nymph
Honestly I have hope for Sentinel and 1.2
Mike said smth like there is a lot going for Sentinel rn and we will get to see it for 1.2, during his last stream
quiet hearth
I really wish they had waited to do the full release and cleared up some of these issues before hand. Imagine if harbingers had been the 1.0 and all classes had had another pass.
harsh nova
people haven't lost interest in the game is the one thing they have going for them, they are just waiting
quiet hearth
I didnt say anyone had lost interest
harsh nova
just in reference to people enjoying the game more if there was 1.0 lol
quiet hearth
I didnt say anything about enjoyment, it was direct more towards the game being in a more complete state. I honestly think the POE2 announcement spooked them into pushing forward ahead of schedule somewhat.
harsh nova
as with most great things takes about a year to get things in line as well
d4 got their stuff together and poe2 is spooking the whole community
quiet hearth
I wouldnt say d4 has gotten it together but at least they are pointed in the right direction. And as it should, the biggest player in the space is setting the tone, and that makes it all the more important that anything that is done needs to be more polished and ready. NGL it took everything I had not to accept the beta invite xD
harsh nova
game is in plenty playable state, just because people want something besides what the design is focused doesn't mean it isn't functioning. the play base is massive through their whole season even compared to last epoch launch they just keep players longer and have more of them
not to stray too far from sentinel talk, i wish there was more support for my favorite class on launch i would've put more time in
hopeful for 1.2 for sure
quiet hearth
Im not saying it's not playable, Im saying that I would have rather seen a more complete product for release and moving forward in order to have a better release and footprint to move forward in regards to last epoch. And really the same for D4, I was in the beta for that and the main issue there was how far they went from their original ideas in the early beta.
harsh nova
it's crazy how far from a finished product so many games are when they release, even from what the devs would think is finished actually then they get feedback from the community saying it's only 40 hours of content
quiet hearth
I cut EHG a lot of slack because it's such a small team and what they have done is amazing tbh.
chilly peak
At least with the background of LE it is reasonable to me, that the game isn't in a perfect technical state.
But the core is good, and shows so much love and dedication, that I'm cured ever to return to PoE (which became a monster to me over the years... it is just too much of everything)
harsh nova
2.0 will be a big day
quiet hearth
I think part of POEs problem is the content creators tbh, they make the game seem bigger than it really is.
harsh nova
they've created 2 of the most successful arpgs ever
chilly peak
Community driven powercreep is even here in LE getting a problem imo ^^
harsh nova
i wonder how much of the community is actually interested in pushing above 500c, which is going to be a larger amount than actually reach it currently
quiet hearth
I mean, 300c is the devs mark for where they want most peopel to cap, you wouldn't have many pushing it if you didnt have content creators talking about "can do 2k cc ez"
harsh nova
which to their credit, most builds can do 300c, but aberoth is far more difficult than 300c. your build needs to be ready for 5/600
don't think i've seen any builds that couldn't do 500c by the time they were actually skilled enough with the class and geared to do it faster
chilly peak
I mean not even pushing 1k or 2k is the problem, but that some see that as normal, or call a build/char bad, that can "only" do 300 and T4s
harsh nova
1/2k is the minority and can basically just be excluded from most data sets
quiet hearth
Abberoth is a pinnacle boss, literally a challenge mode, its not meant for the 300c people. Not every build needs to do all content. And that is what I mean about content creators being part of the issue. People dont understand they have to stretch content out of a game.
harsh nova
something like 5/700 is much more in a reasonable conversation, especially when it feels like a 500c boss
so they are balancing around higher than 300c if the pinnacle is harder is my point
what builds are clearing 300, but not 500, and killing aberoth?
cobalt blade
quiet hearth
But that is for pinnacle content, and therefore outside what they consider the normal scope of the game. The main issue is what is 'normal' is being warped by people who playing 12hrs a day and have the best gear
harsh nova
it took most content creators less than 50 hours to beat aberoth
chilly peak
300 or 500 is still a huge step to: "I need 30sec for 1k boss, that is bad, or"
The first is not the problem, the second is
harsh nova
50-75 was a large amount of people that did recaps on their season
quiet hearth
That literally reinforces my point, creators have all the time they need. Their progress is completely different from the people devs aimed at.
harsh nova
it doesn't take 12 hours a day is my point
and aberoth has a dps check at the end of the fight or the skill cap goes to the moon, so yes you do need to have gear better than 300c to actually beat the fight
quiet hearth
That isnt the issue here, it's people how HAVE the time, which means they progress that much faster, and that's all normal people see and they feel their pace isn't up to par.
You cannot use pinnacle content to measure the rest of the game towards, that is literally designed differently for a reason.
harsh nova
this is the upper threshold of balance currently
winged pulsar
pew pew
quiet hearth
It's not, pinnacles are balanced differently than everything else
harsh nova
this is in reference to power creep being prevelent in LE. there's not even a large amount of the community pushing to higher content
and balance is at the most at the 500c range because of aberoth which is absolutely true
quiet hearth
We'll just agree to disagree, Im not getting into another circular argument with you
winged pulsar
Id assume devs have a ton of data analytics at this point and work around those. Player feedback and content creators input is great, but pales in comparison to large data pools.
harsh nova
we know people don't reach aberoth currently, 95% don't even reach empowered monos or something wild
so i don't think there is a lot of push from the community for these 1kc builds
chilly peak
Id assume devs have a ton of data analytics at this point and work around those....
But the same people that think playing 1k+ is normal, will always be muuuuuch louder than those silent big numbers 😄
winged pulsar
ya if youre in this discord right now you are prolly that 5%
harsh nova
after following the maxroll guide for rive to get to 1k i'll basically never trust most guides that say 1k anyways
chilly peak
ya if youre in this discord right now you are prolly that 5%
correct. And if you are typing, we are down to less then 1% probably ^^
harsh nova
the amount of gear i have over his build is staggering, and 850 is nothing short of a struggle.
chilly peak
But 850 is super great, isn't it?
harsh nova
yeah i don't mind it at all
i comfy more around 750, aoes are just insane for rive higher up with how long a 3 hit combo takes
cobalt blade
if only this is exalted
harsh nova
which is out of balance range now, especially for melee, so i dont really have anything to complain about to ehg on that endd
cobalt blade
i am 750c and I havent touch abberoth
harsh nova
i was doing 700 before aberoth also
need to work stun into the build for aberoth for the last bit
quiet hearth
If you're at 700+you are over double the intended build limit for the game, it's going to be punishing
winged pulsar
I hit 69 corruption earlier
cobalt blade
winged pulsar
<:tom:570776954974896128>
thats a great one, you usually want psn resist in builds
harsh nova
any res that's not ele never feels bad for me
chilly peak
<:tom:570776954974896128>
Time to brag with this beauty I guess 😄
cobalt blade
prob is... desire censor is freakin real
it pop out when i dont need it... and dont pop when i need it
waxen nymph
2lp wings!!
harsh nova
Time to brag with this beauty I guess 😄
whats odds on 2lp for wings
cobalt blade
whats worse, it was random drop and not from prophecies
chilly peak
It is not that low and much easier as we play in a 2 player team and have Envys now
harsh nova
multiplayer actually so nice in the game
is how i got my 2lp apathys, homie just yeeted all his over to me from his necro
chilly peak
whats odds on 2lp for wings
0,26 + cof + teammate
harsh nova
actually farmable then nice
chilly peak
Yeah, the slam was lucky, but the chest was hard and honest work, belive me 😄
harsh nova
i bet 😆
waxen nymph
quiet hearth
otherwise known as you will never see it
waxen nymph
I forgot it's not lpl 105 now
harsh nova
1 in 390 with no perks isn't bad at all imo
https://imgur.com/Ag33y1z my favorite piece this season 🪗
quiet hearth
honestly I prefer the nemmy affix add on vs LP
If only they had let us put set items in there too
quiet hearth
Because it just happens, and I dont like farming the item, then doing a dungeon I dont enjoy
Im not saying LP is bad by any means
waxen nymph
If only they had let us put set items in there too
I am really what they are planning for sets
quiet hearth
oh no, we broke Vlad
chilly peak
😄
waxen nymph
Curious *
cobalt blade
Vlad impaled imself
quiet hearth
It happens all the time, vlad cant word, I cant read, Engi cant do anything but think like a VK
harsh nova
would be cool if we couldd at least get random stats on sets
quiet hearth
I think just letting them roll LP, WW, and nemmy stuff would be fine honestly
chilly peak
Count me in for the I-cant-read-club please
waxen nymph
One of the reason they don't want sets to get lp is > UI too big
quiet hearth
Have the affixes list on the side instead of the top
waxen nymph
I am sure they have thought about it, or it got suggested by the community. And they visibly decided against
They've also said they don't want it to be too similar to Uniques
waxen nymph
I mean, sets are essentially just weird uniques
But they could be so much more
harsh nova
are there any borderline ones for sentinel?
quiet hearth
I dont really think so, there isnt really anything you can do that doesn't steal from another items slot imo
harsh nova
i legit just haven't even looked at them
waxen nymph
Shattered Lance could be used
quiet hearth
Ruby Fang strangely enough, shatter lance, and the bear set
waxen nymph
I dont really think so, there isnt really anything you can do that doesn't steal...
I feel a set like Gaspar could be a very nice way to design set. Instead of having empowering smth specific about your class, they should give you smth new you have to work around
cobalt blade
40 STR bear
waxen nymph
are there any borderline ones for sentinel?
There is also the Sun Forged one
turbid dome
I wish the forgotten knight set was better, I wana do time rot dot
quiet hearth
that's the issue with sets, they just arent powerful enough to warrant. You could just boost their effects to the moon
turbid dome
I mean boost forgotten knight all you want, it kinda gets stuck with time rot capping at 12
lethal gorge
Guys do we have a good event horizon build yet?
quiet hearth
that's what I mean, let the set increase the cap or something
turbid dome
Ah
waxen nymph
Guys do we have a good event horizon build yet?
Maybe Smelter Wrath?
quiet hearth
Shield Rush actually was pretty good
waxen nymph
Oh really? Nice to know
I am just a bit scared a recommanding SR to people with how buggy it is
quiet hearth
yeah I tested it a bit, you bypass the AS issues and it can hit twice, so dumping stacks so you can move isnt as painful
waxen nymph
Not sure how big their bug resist is 😅😅
waxen nymph
yeah I tested it a bit, you bypass the AS issues and it can hit twice, so dumpin...
Can you not hit 3 times with the echo?
turbid dome
Are the extra attacks from multi strike slowed by event horizon
quiet hearth
....curse you
turbid dome
Plus it has an echo node for even more swords
harsh nova
So is there always a stall at some point with erasing strike? seems no matter how high mana i go still get a gap somewhere
also bricked my 2lp worldsplitter 🥹 double suffix
turbid dome
With 100% crit chance there shouldn’t be any stalls as long as 3 erasing strikes cost less than 30% of your mana oool
quiet hearth
wtb fire tag for Rive
even though that would likely make it so broken, it's already the best option for this nonsense im doing
turbid dome
Have flame drinker give it the fire tag
quiet hearth
I'd take that
maybe if I staked enough mana regen I could just spam FS and detonating ground
waxen nymph
But Flame Drinker gives Phys Pen 😵
quiet hearth
Thats ok, I am still bleeding enemies
turbid dome
But Flame Drinker gives Phys Pen 😵
It can give it the fire tag without converting the damage type
quiet hearth
ruby fang set essentially lets you scale, almost equally ignite, bleed, and poison, it's really weird, neat, but weird
I wonder if there is a primalist builder doing the same nonsense
waxen nymph
It can give it the fire tag without converting the damage type <:gregory:1182373...
Not really, having both tags would split Flat Melee Dmg into 2 types
quiet hearth
but you wouldnt care as a dot build
waxen nymph
Sure
quiet hearth
But likely it would lose one tag for the other like most other things
turbid dome
Rives combo is now a number of swings equal to the number of damage types, each swing does a different damage type, put this after double swing
quiet hearth
rive go brrrr
In theory, no CD forge strike, proccing HH might very well be the best version of this nonsense Im doing
but uh, we gotta overcome one heck of a mana cost
I wonder if I could add electrify in here
turbid dome
Big mana pool + time and faith
quiet hearth
this version would be using FS, so no time and faith
turbid dome
No big mana pool to obliterate everything in a fight then use time and faith + rive or something as a better focus to recharge between fights
quiet hearth
likely the best option
Though seeing the electrify on HH makes me think of dumping the poison and bleed and going for tri elemental dots now
turbid dome
quiet hearth
this and rive XD
turbid dome
turbid dome
Does each multi strike hit do its own aliment chance roll
quiet hearth
sadly the extra swords do not hit the initial target
wait, does the spear node allow the extra attacks to shotgun?
waxen nymph
Pretty sure it doesnt, and when you are facing a single target it doest work anyway
quiet hearth
apparently LizardIRL made a video awhile back, the spears can shotgun, but only if there is more than one target
At least give me a node that has a chance to toss an extra at a single target
chilly peak
It still can use some tweaks here and there, but I'm very happy with this Pally in general. Just killed Aberoth with him, was a hard fight, but a good experience to beat him once with a "melee".
As my dedication is more grinding then cooking, any inputs on this?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oY2xzL3A
crude matrixBOT
chilly peak
Sidenotes:
Have Lunge as Movement skill
Have a 4 LP Palarus in the works, the Palarus here is still a hasty slam for leveling. The exalt just doesn't want, as I want 🙂
alpine canopy
wait, does the spear node allow the extra attacks to shotgun?
They shotgun by default, they are just small and each target different enemies
cerulean sorrel
So if you have Seraph Blade in Healing hands that turns it into a melee attack, and you also have 4/4 into Cleric's Hammer that casts when you directly hit with melee, can it trigger off of the original cast via Seraph? So you basically get 2 healing hands with every one cast?
waxen nymph
Yes, but you get only one procc
cerulean sorrel
ok thank you, that's perfect!
if you have 2 Orian's Sun Seal rings, do you get 1 or both procing every 10 seconds?
sick trench
can we power level in last epoch, is that a thing? like have someone run you through a mono and you both get experience
waxen nymph
Yes
waxen nymph
if you have 2 Orian's Sun Seal rings, do you get 1 or both procing every 10 seco...
Not sure, let me test that
orchid hazel
I believe each ring has its own 10 sec
cerulean sorrel
but you still got both working is the question
waxen nymph
if you have 2 Orian's Sun Seal rings, do you get 1 or both procing every 10 seco...
2 Sigils
cerulean sorrel
very nice ty
I am just wondering if this build will work as well as I am hoping. Been trying to figure out something to inspire me to play new season and thinking this might work as pre exalteds/legendarys. just set of some 'easy' to get uniques and specific bases and i think it could start doing decent corruption to look into finding those exalted bis/LP
tbh hardest part will be gloves with the seal, any tier makes it work but i just put 2 as a easy goal to achieve
waxen nymph
Jugmement aura for Healing ?
I am pretty confused because you go Palarus and take Attunement (that gives you Flat Melee Dmg) but you seems to want to use Spells
cerulean sorrel
so might need to change judgement just to hitman version
but Healing hands is a melee, not spell
waxen nymph
No VR ?
No Valiant Charge ?
cerulean sorrel
what is that
waxen nymph
but Healing hands is a melee, not spell
Smite, Holy Aura Flame Burst, Conc Aura from Judgment
cerulean sorrel
also smite isnt about the damage
but it scales well with it, but its about the +melee dmg and attack spead
its just free dmg
waxen nymph
5/5 in Sacrifce though
junior wren
tbh hardest part will be gloves with the seal, any tier makes it work but i just...
seal is the easy part, because that's an experimetal affix 🙂 the hard part is finding eternal gauntlets with the right affixes you want
cerulean sorrel
yeah, thta is to eat my HP so i get more out of experimental hp missing into ward
I want low hp to be in endurance, so im perma hasted
waxen nymph
... But you will be healing yourself constantly with HH and Conc Aura
cerulean sorrel
HH doesnt heal me, it makes ward...
waxen nymph
Yeah, but not really
cerulean sorrel
and judgement is more about the frenzy and aoe shredding
again, utility not the dmg
waxen nymph
The Lingering Warmth (not sure about the Spelling for this one) will keep you up
waxen nymph
and judgement is more about the frenzy and aoe shredding
It will still heal you a lot
junior wren
The Lingering Warmth (not sure about the Spelling for this one) will keep you up
nope, that's been fixed. it gives ward now
cerulean sorrel
and I thought about valiant charge, would take 5 out of relentless for charge if its needed
waxen nymph
Oo really ?
Last Time I played Divine Bolts I was getting healed
junior wren
I have a smiter/HH Ward pally in current cycle online, it only makes ward
my solution was to stand in melee range and heal myself with smites 😄
cerulean sorrel
I wish i could put one point into Temporal Corruption to remove heal from smite with this build but not change the dmg type 😛
junior wren
why remove heal from smite? 🤔
waxen nymph
To stay low life
junior wren
but you have Ward ?
waxen nymph
Btw Endurance doesnt work on Ward
junior wren
small note, Synthesis of Light is still bugged, it gives 1 Ward per 100% inc healing
you might want to remove points from Prayer of the Fallen and Synthesis of Light, and put them into Urgent Healing
waxen nymph
I have a smiter/HH Ward pally in current cycle online, it only makes ward
Lingering Warmth heals me
I am trying it just now
junior wren
I am trying it just now
do you have the experimental gloves?
cerulean sorrel
do you have HP converted into ward thing?
need that for it to work so it doesnt heal and just feeds ward
or you need the unique chest that has it and immune to bleed low life
junior wren
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-harbingers-of-ruin-patch-notes/71790/8#healing-hands-7
Healing Hands
(Bug Fix) Fixed a bug where Divine Barrier did not convert the healing over time into ward when the affected ally had a source of missing health gained as ward per second
if it doesn't work again, then maybe it got broken again? 😄
junior wren
I wish i could put one point into Temporal Corruption to remove heal from smite ...
back to the staying on low life idea.. even if smite didn't heal you, it wouldn't work. You have tons of inc healing, so you will be healed by your judgement aura anyway
blazing grotto
I am just wondering if this build will work as well as I am hoping. Been trying ...
it's not really worth it, 1 is more than enough
waxen nymph
do you have the experimental gloves?
I have Exsanguinous
junior wren
that should be the same effect 🤷♂️ I linked the relevant patch note above
waxen nymph
Yep
The heal is super weak though
Regular Warmth is 60hp per sec I believe
I am not at my PC anymore so can't check
junior wren
80 over 3 seconds iirc
waxen nymph
But I was getting like 3hp over the whole duration
junior wren
yeah that was probably something else. natural regen?
waxen nymph
No because when the Warmth faded my hp went down again
blazing grotto
which attack gave you hp ?
blazing grotto
you dont have some "heal on block" node right ?
waxen nymph
Don't know but against the dummy it's not relevant
junior wren
I had so much hp regen that I had to remove half gear and equip gloves + LSotL (boots) to actually have HP degen 😄
You can see the difference in Ward decay with the buff, and how it starts decaying way faster when the buff fades.
sick trench
is hammer throw damage worth putting as a prefix on a chest slot, nova hammerdin build
tribal crane
About aberroths command sceptre, has anyone made any other build with it than disintegrate aura+ravaging aura vk?
blazing grotto
well it can be used for dot paladin if it has LP
i've actually made a couple builds that have it for this reason, but since i cant get a proper one ingame yet, i havent been able to test it
tribal crane
yeah, i should've specified that any other vk builds i mean
gleaming pine
About aberroths command sceptre, has anyone made any other build with it than di...
im interested in this also, since i made that build and it was pretty good (posted video a few pages back), and have a few 2 lp ones left over i have unslammed
tribal crane
im interested in this also, since i made that build and it was pretty good (post...
ye i saw your vid on youtube
i actually ended up slamming decayed skull with t7 increased hp and flat hp. the exalted had void dmg over time prefix aswell but ended up on str, still decent craft imo
gleaming pine
I actually have a 4lp of that but I forgot to use it, I think I didn't have an exalt good enough and I forgot about it
Leonine and terror are great bases too, bit of a toss up
harsh nova
finally found something to slam into my peak
harsh nova
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApaaxOJQ sort a glove and ring maybe if i'm lucky atk speed maw and be done with this char alas
crude matrixBOT
cobalt blade
Feels alien seeing what you all discussed . Clearly, I dont play enough diversified builds in this game
harsh nova
monkahmm
alpine canopy
About aberroths command sceptre, has anyone made any other build with it than di...
Yeah, I used it in a rav aura, abyssal echoes, warpath build. I didn't know anyone used it with disintegrating aura
harsh nova
was my thoughts also
cobalt blade
And removal rune is
I havent use chaos for a long time. Do peepo risk removal or chaos now?
cobalt blade
Yay Engi
turbid dome
tribal crane
Yeah, I used it in a rav aura, abyssal echoes, warpath build. I didn't know any...
oh right saw that build on youtube aswell, i forgot about that.
waxen nymph
80 over 3 seconds iirc
Realised after another round of testing I had Spell Leech Blessing
turbid dome
blessing gaming
turbid dome
why did no one tell me tempest strike slaps now?
tribal crane
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALMYz6WQ build is coming along nicely, hit 2 max roll slams today, sceptre and body armor
crude matrixBOT
blazing grotto
why did no one tell me tempest strike slaps now?
well nobody would have told you that here
quiet hearth
well, if you look at the next line, you'd see I went oops wrong chat, and trust me, yes they would, class chats are loosely regulated at best xD
turbid dome
We totally didn’t have a full convo about melee lich in here
jovial oasis
hey does anyone know how good dragonflame edict is
quiet hearth
I dont, though Ive been meaning to tinker with it, also, somehow I never thought of using Rogue for Ruby Fang because Cinder Strike
Wait...would dragonflame proc on summon crab?
turbid dome
It’s a minion
quiet hearth
fire breathing crab go
waxen nymph
FYI it doesn't show but there is a 2 sec Cd
jovial oasis
wait really
agony, truly. I was thinking of doing a pyromancer mage build with it, but eh
winged pulsar
Stand down or die.
turbid dome
At this rate my armor is going to rust
blazing grotto
well, if you look at the next line, you'd see I went oops wrong chat, and trust ...
i know, i was just teasing you heh
blazing grotto
Stand down or die.
Sit up or live
harsh nova
At this rate my armor is going to rust
is why i just went and slammed my 4lp peak lol
i waited 2 weeks to find a different helm
turbid dome
is why i just went and slammed my 4lp peak lol
damn
harsh nova
actually not as rare as i thought they were either
turbid dome
the peak isn't the peak
blazing grotto
actually not as rare as i thought they were either
harsh nova
anyone use suloron's steps
tribal crane
So I just noticed, vc doesn't echo with aberroth's command. I assume it's a bug since the item doesn't say it removes the chance to echo
tribal crane
because it consumes quite the amount in total
void cleave?
no it doesn't, only 15 mana
alpine canopy
So I just noticed, vc doesn't echo with aberroth's command. I assume it's a bug ...
Yeah, it's bugged
Echoes don't cost mana anyway
cobalt blade
1/300 kinda whatever
and yet I still cant find another 1/100 2LP wing guards
alpine canopy
However you slice it, high LP is rare, like you're not getting hundreds of wing guards probably
cobalt blade
Prophecy target farming not targeted enough
cobalt blade
Well, Eternity Cache is still gonna laugh at me even if I find it
turbid dome
hollow skiff
hollow skiff
3 T7
gleaming pine
i think this is the best exalt i've ever seen
south ledge
damn son
turbid dome
that didn't register as a sealed %increased health at first and holy pancakes thats a great item
blazing grotto
not to mention it's on the best base
turbid dome
you could at least make a case for apocalypse plate, but 9 times outa 10 champ is what you want
blazing grotto
yup
turbid dome
I hope the next cycle comes with some armor changes, but also please don't nerf the champ armor
blazing grotto
or eternal gloves
turbid dome
you can make a case for the mana gloves kinda or the crusader gloves I guess?
but biggest armor number 👍
chilly peak
Both health T7 on Camp... I fell in love!
turbid dome
I kinda like that theres no uniques of the top tier bases
quiet hearth
Yeah I would love to see some of the lower tier bases get some love, lower armor values in exchange for big numbers on other things
harsh nova
i think this is the best exalt i've ever seen
I have one the same with a sealed affix
Think its like cold res tho
turbid dome
Yeah I would love to see some of the lower tier bases get some love, lower armor...
if the solarium plate (or whichever one gives endurance) instead gave %max health as endurance threshold it would be a very competitive pick
turbid dome
apoc is def a solid pick for vk, but its also just not a great option on a lot of sentinel builds
which throws everyone else into champ or some super nice affixes, weaker armor base
harsh nova
Yeah specifically erasing strike. Champs too strong otherwise
harsh nova
there's none that give a cast bonus is there?
tribal crane
jesus what a monster
harsh nova
that have more than 62 base armor at least
hollow skiff
it your plate bro. i copy to anyone to see.
harsh nova
sad i couldn't get the cold res off mine urs will be better with that open slot
o lmao
hollow skiff
that a holy sheeet. lolllllllllllll
harsh nova
u just copy it for offline?
or grabbed from general xd
didn't see the str on the one u posted thought was an open slot 😆
hollow skiff
that can be sell ?
harsh nova
nope CoF
tribal crane
since u have fp still left i would gamble the implicit to a better roll and dupe that with creation just so you can try to slam it on something too
harsh nova
there's nothing to slam it on
the increase hp % is a sealed affix makes it junk for slamming
it's actually not even that good for my erasing strike build honestly
tribal crane
you could slam it on titan heart and hope to hit the str, and double t7
tribal crane
doable
harsh nova
yeah the hp that's sealed and the armor difference is better than a titan heart will ever be even 3lp
15% dr isn't that crazy when you have 110 armor base
turbid dome
damn
turbid dome
15% dr isn't that crazy when you have 110 armor base
this is why champ armor is the best
big thicc boi armor
harsh nova
yeah i'm MILES tankier in champs
hollow skiff
Just one hit and i get this Null
turbid dome
plus champ doesn't turn of your passive health regen
so you can slap on lagon's health regen blessing and get like 120 hp regen per second at no real cost
its a nice one stop shop for reducing dot effectiveness against you
harsh nova
not having regen has killed me way too many damn times
same with the slow from anchor
turbid dome
no regen, with current dots have basically killed my interest to use titans heart
hollow skiff
and this. just 1 hit guys
harsh nova
if i didn't have a BIS 3lp titan i wouldn't even bother
turbid dome
ye
harsh nova
rive has to have the skill levels tho so finding +4 on champs is stupid hard
it took me 2mill favor just to find a random chest to slam let alone a rive on champs
turbid dome
rive isn't horrible without +levels to it, you can get weapon mastery, double echo chance node, foe reaver and most of the crit chance stuff
harsh nova
it's miserable you lose insane damage
turbid dome
true, but its useable at the very least
turbid dome
yeah
its usable, not great.. unlike when everyone was trying to slam frost claws onto twisted heart
harsh nova
rive is just a terrible end game spec currently
turbid dome
brb gonna make an iron blades build
harsh nova
between how much gear it takes to make it function even at aberoth and the range you have to stand the gameplay is really missing
turbid dome
melee moment
harsh nova
im just bad at the game it's fine 🫣
blazing grotto
there's none that give a cast bonus is there?
the one that gives fire damage on implicit (i think its augury) is my usual preference, but otherwise...
hollow skiff
my rive
harsh nova
i can push mine to like 750k with no buffs
turbid dome
hollow skiff
my fr have 2 Maw 3LP loll
blazing grotto
pics or it didnt happen
harsh nova
having 3lp and hitting the slam still big difference
blazing grotto
just get 4LP then
harsh nova
like, 40% dps difference in 1 stat
flat melee atkspd and pen or bust
also what's ur ehp with that dps
if no 3lp maw it's terrible
tribal crane
my hammer throw, not like tooltip dps matters that much
turbid dome
hammar
harsh nova
would actually use these if that last line didn't exist 🫣
turbid dome
quiet hearth
the bleed nodes in paladin just feel out of place
turbid dome
yeah
quiet hearth
well, an attempt was made
harsh nova
sad
turbid dome
dang did you miss flat void dmg?
harsh nova
if i could find a 3lp meraphage i'd deck it out
turbid dome
if i could find a 3lp meraphage i'd deck it out
meraphage doesn't drop with lp?
harsh nova
pray to the rngesus
turbid dome
or just shatter swords with it
quiet hearth
rngesus left this place long ago, imma pray to someone who will listen