🔱┃sentinel

[simple raven]

depends a lot on build, but 5-6k is usually fine
u would notice a good difference just getting to 4k though

[tribal compass]

It doubles when I activate it, and I have enough cool down reduction to get near 100% uptime.

Jesus. So I need to almost double my armor?

[simple raven]

its not as bad as u think, as u got modifiers that increase ur armor by x%, meaning 5-600 armor extra, could mean 1500 extra after modifiers etc

this one piece is the difference of 3814 - 7098 armor for me

ur base stats seem a bit low. more STR adds % armor as well as increase ur dmg

but in the end, armor (and imo resistance as u only need 1s of not clicking/having holy aura up. also does ur resistances show as capped when u have clicked the holy aura? reading the tooltip might also mean it only doubles the 15% base resistance, meaning u could potentially still miss 15%.
regardless of that if its down its another 30% dmg mobs could potentially deal.

Long story short

• armor
• life
  grind 🙂

[tribal compass]

I'll double check the Holy Aura thing, I'm pretty sure it affects all the stuff the aura gives you and not just the base?

I can see that armor giving a huge amount of armor, but that's also head and shoulders better than any piece of gear I've ever gotten for myself, lol. Right now I've got about +140% armor, getting to 4k means 5 more t5 armor affixes. Will take some doing.

I don't have a lot of str because all my damage comes from Holy Trail on the javelin, which doesn't scale with strength. The build calls for mostly attunement.

[simple raven]

and according to ur sheet u have 6 attunement xD do you feel your damage is lacking?
If u are missing resistance, "Defiance", first row in paladin passive gives u elemental resistance and attunement

[tribal compass]

I mean, my gear is mid at best, I just haven't gotten anything better, lol. I don't have a lot of stat gear at all because it's pretty low on my priority list. Attunement is great but elemental damage over time is better.

My damage isn't great either, but as long as I don't get one-shot I can handle corr 100 or t1 dungeons. It's the one-shot that are the problem right now.

I can probably swap out some idols to get a little more cold and elec resist at the very least.

I should probably get to sleep, but thank you for the help! Still seems pretty intimidating to upgrade any of this gear, but at least I have a direction now.

[simple raven]

if u havent already, getting the different blessings can help as well (like hp, resistance/block chanc, health regen, etc

[spark monolith]

they need to tone back poison damage

[quiet hearth]

the health regen one is insanity

[sweet hazel]

All DoT needs retuning and to be taken way down.

[simple raven]

just dropped. any good?

playing forge guard so dunno

[quiet hearth]

it's baller

Even just instant VC is amazing

[simple raven]

hmm, maybe ill save it then if i feel like playing VK

[quiet hearth]

void cleave can be converted to fire

and has a node where phys dmg increases it's dmg as well. Even without using the aura it's still a nice thing but definitely good for ignites too

[spark monolith]

I agree, but I feel like poison is particularly strong

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, all dots are pretty silly right now

[sweet hazel]

Yup. I've been complaining about Rotsteel Nemesis' damage since the first day.

That's the real new pinnacle boss.

imho I think they need to change armor to work for damage over time by default at like 50% effectiveness

[simple raven]

i love fighting him with my reflect dmg. plant ring of shields in his aoe and he dies in 1.5s xD

[sweet hazel]

That's one way to do it. I usually just run away from him while throwing hammers lmao

[quiet hearth]

Gotta get you some cleanse

[sweet hazel]

Yeah tried this by the way, won't work. His poison attacks apply a stack of poison basically every nanosecond.

which is probably why he's so strong, because it seems like it's applying WAY more often than it should be

[quiet hearth]

I mean I had zero issues with it spamming smites with the 6%, because it cleanses ALL stacks

But I do agree it does feel like it's applying the dots way faster than it should

[sweet hazel]

Yeah smite spamming that's fine, but for other builds where you have to slam all your potions feels bad

and like I can just facecheck all the other ones, lol.

[quiet hearth]

yeah he is definitely the worst by far, the only one who comes close is the blood one if you get caught in multiple blood bombs

[lament star]

today VR'ed into lagon's beam. still alive. i potted the hell out of that nightmare. 😓

[quiet hearth]

A rite of passage really

[lament star]

man i really want to farm gear. been stuck in normal mono cuz i dont have gear for empow

i want to mana stack so i can use a ward per missing mana on traversal skill

then void cleave for 2k ward

[spark monolith]

Well, got to 875c. Maybe try for 1k this weekend

[quiet hearth]

I havent even gotten that far, I keep rerolling xD

[bitter hamlet]

Having some trouble with my HammerThrow Smite VK. Dmg is fine but I get bursted down from basicly every dmg type a lot in Emp Mono with base cor and I'm not really sure what I need the most to improve defenses. Happens even when the enemies are blinded and shouldn't be able to crit. Any build Doctors able to help out?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1M13y5A

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 75

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (44) / Forge Guard (3) / Paladin (18)

General:

▸ Health: 1,346, Regen: 97.5/s
▸ Mana: 147, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 11 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 48% / 81% / 74% / 73% / 115% / 97%
▸ EHP: 2,860 / 2,495 / 3,168 / 3,636 / 3,102 / 3,168 / 3,168

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 39%, Threshold: 380
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (12)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,515)
▸ Block Chance: 56%, Mitigation: 45% (1,340)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Lunge (20)
• Hammer Throw (20)
• Smite (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)

Used unique items:

None

[quiet hearth]

I...am unsure what to do with this

[upbeat kiln]

Hell I’m tired of it. Leveling and this campaign even with skips.

But it’s the most fun testing and trying new things for me. Not so much the monolith corruption pushing. That part makes me wanna get off

[obtuse perch]

So I just realized, you can do a throwing build with Warpath, right?

[upbeat kiln]

Hey I know you. From our previous encounter

I still see it

[quiet hearth]

Yeah mono pushing needs to be redone entirely imo, like just make it shared and slow down progression and give the option to run corrupted or non corrupted monos, and technically yes you can make a throwing build in warpath

[obtuse perch]

I haven't done much mono pushing so I wouldn't know.

I'm trying to do it now since harbingers are an actual incentive to push corruption.

But yeah, is it viable to do a throwing build with Warpath?

With vortex pennant.

[quiet hearth]

maybe? i know with the free crit cap in FG it definitely got a boost but you're not throwing too many axes even with that item

[obtuse perch]

Ok but what if I'm like.

"I really want to do a ranged minion build".

[quiet hearth]

To give you an example you need like 1k increased physical damage to double the axe throw

Then you play necro

[obtuse perch]

Without playing necro.

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

[obtuse perch]

...What about Spriggan?

[jade cedar]

i gave up on void smite and went back to echo warpath

[spark monolith]

It would help if you had better bases for your armor. Your armor value is really low as well as your hp. Get hybrid life and % life on your gear.

[quiet hearth]

I guess but I dont know of any spriggan focused builds

[obtuse perch]

What about Falconer?

[quiet hearth]

I guess you could do spriggan form beastmaster and spam spriggans and ranged vines

I hate rogue gameplay so I cannot help you there, Falconer just felt more like a gimmic than a minion build when I tried last cyle

[obtuse perch]

I'd go for shaman or druid if you're going spriggan.

[quiet hearth]

if you're wanting to stack spriggans only beast master gets additional companions

[obtuse perch]

Summon Spriggan has a cap of 1.

Spriggan form adds another 1 if you take the node.

So you can only have 2 spriggans ever.

[quiet hearth]

beast master gets +1 as a base, and then the node makes 3

[obtuse perch]

No no

Summon Spriggan has a cap of 1. Regardless of what your companion cap is.

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/summon-spriggan-werebear-crit-druid

[crude matrix]

Summon Spriggan Werebear Crit Druid Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beta / 0.9.2f

Class

Primalist / Druid

Used skills

• Spriggan Form
• Summon Spriggan
• Entangling Roots
• Fury Leap
• Werebear Form

Used unique items

• Apogee of Frozen Light
• Julra's Obsession
• Eterra's Path
• Tears of the Forest

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Cycle Starter / Beginner / SSF / Support / Melee / Minions

Created by PvtVlad · Nov 30, 2023, 3:29 PM

[quiet hearth]

No that isnt how it works, the companion cap is two by default

[obtuse perch]

The companion cap is two.

But the Spriggan cap is 1.

[quiet hearth]

there is nothing in spriggan that says it's capped at one

[obtuse perch]

Like, I've played Primalist, I know how it works.

[quiet hearth]

that is the default limit

[obtuse perch]

Can only have 1 bear, 1 raptor, etc.

[waxen nymph]

Summon Limit : 1

[obtuse perch]

Like, don't tell me that my own eyes are lying to me lol.

Wolves can go up to your companion limit, if you take the node for it.

Storm Crows can go up to your companion limit.

[quiet hearth]

I know for a fact you can get more than one

[obtuse perch]

Yes!

Spriggan Form gives you a second Spriggan, if you take the node for it!

[quiet hearth]

that's where it is fml, I havent slept yet dont mind me

I was like I KNOW I have seen it

[obtuse perch]

But since you can't go over 2 spriggans, getting extra companion slots doesn't do much.

[quiet hearth]

Right right

I have zero idea how Im gonna make it through work today

[obtuse perch]

Spriggan Beastmaster bears some investigating for other reasons. But I'm not certain if it's optimal.

[quiet hearth]

I could see spriggan for dodge wolves honestly

[obtuse perch]

Because Beastmaster just has so much melee focus.

[bitter hamlet]

Tyvm🙏

[waxen nymph]

Spriggan Form Bleed Bear is strong

[obtuse perch]

Druid or BM?

[waxen nymph]

But I feel like we should move to #🐺┃primalist

[obtuse perch]

LOLOL

Sorry, it was tangent. I was wondering if I wanted to for some reason play a ranged forge guard that supports minions from the back, using Vortex Pennant, how silly would that be?

[waxen nymph]

[quiet hearth]

why is it YOU can say that and peopel listen but I suggest it and people threaten me at gunpoint?

IT would be very silly, you just cant get enough axes out to justify it, I guess you could smelters wrath axes at people

[obtuse perch]

But then you'd run into the problem of how to summon forged weapons.

[waxen nymph]

Fun fact, Axes from Vortex Pennant become a subskill of Warpath and benefit from its More Dmg

[obtuse perch]

Also like, you could proc debuffs from the axes too right?

[waxen nymph]

The passive node with Shred/Shred, yes

[quiet hearth]

best option would be to FS with the extra chance for weapons and then run around smeltering things but still not great

[obtuse perch]

It takes many points to make forge strike ranged.

Points that can't be spent on making minions stronger.

[quiet hearth]

I didnt say make it ranged, and if all you're focusing on is the summoning, it's not really a point issue

[obtuse perch]

You need to hit things with forge strike to summon.

Warpath does not.

[quiet hearth]

you're still not going to get any mileage out of vortex, the bonus is just too small, all you're doing at that point is just warpath summoning FW

[waxen nymph]

How cool would it be to equip a bow and your Forged Weapons are bows...

[quiet hearth]

It would be honestly, would make a good unique

I really wish smelters wasnt just mechanically bad, because it's kinda funny hitting the whole screen for 20k crits

[obtuse perch]

Do the axes then become ballistae?

[quiet hearth]

that would be funny

[mighty cedar]

Good morning all

[quiet hearth]

wow you really cant get a lot of area for skills

[mighty cedar]

I spent like 3 more hours last night theory crafting that dot build and I think it’s… at least viable now

[quiet hearth]

the abyssal one?

[mighty cedar]

Yea want to see

[quiet hearth]

maybe later Im gonna try and get a nap in before work lol

[obtuse perch]

If you can't stack the dot into infinity I guess all you can do is make the dot itself stronger.

[mighty cedar]

I get to do both!

Other than abyssal decay, are there other dots that scale with flat dmg?

[turbid dome]

The first one I’m thinking of is spirit plague

But that’s acolyte

[mighty cedar]

Do you know of you spec into the “cast abyssal echos at target” is speced, would the trigger from vood cleave also honor that? Or just be on you?

[turbid dome]

I think it’s on yourself? Granted that’s where you targeted the void cleave

[mighty cedar]

Ah, so you think it’s in the VC vice using the speced at cursor for AE. Hmmm okay I guess I can HH into boss pop VC and then pop VR to get back into range

[turbid dome]

Warning: I haven’t used that node in ages, I would recommend just speccing it and seeing what happens

[narrow valley]

what does the line that says "void penetration with doom" mean?

I assume it means i have pen against anyone with doom, but i might be wrong

[turbid dome]

Doom does void damage, that makes said void damage from doom pen the enemy’s void resistance

[proper holly]

No, only doom damage benefit from this void pene

[mighty cedar]

The only issue I see with this shield through proc Decay is my pac clear since that’s a bit spread out

[turbid dome]

@narrow valley To add on, doom is great if your a melee build because it makes enemies take increased melee damage per stack (4% per stack, 4 stacks max)

[narrow valley]

ah, so getting any void pen is still good for my build

wondering where to get it efficiently as erasing bonezone

[proper holly]

👍 and even more melee per stack with the orobyss belt

[turbid dome]

shattered chain gaming

[mighty cedar]

I finished the theory craft last night after 3 hours lol, could I (for the 5th build now) lol take a look to see any glaring issues and or concerns?

[turbid dome]

I can look at it, not sure how helpful my advice will be based on what you crafted

[mighty cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrpJK5PA I am open to any questions and or suggestions. I’m worried about mana, and pack clear, oddly enough not so worried about boss

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (51) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (27)

General:

▸ Health: 2,443, Regen: 31.9/s
▸ Mana: 111, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 5 Att / 55 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 94% / 94% / 97% / 73% / 97% / 72%
▸ EHP: 8,665 / 9,057 / 8,665 / 13,021 / 8,453 / 8,665 / 8,372

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 769
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,806)
▸ Block Chance: 54%, Mitigation: 33% (856)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (21)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Aberroth's Command
• Anchor of Oblivion

[alpine canopy]

All melee, throwing, bow, and spell DOTs scale with flat melee, throwing, bow, or spell damage, respectively

[mighty cedar]

The premise of this build is to proc Decay as many times as possible. The throw dmg, lava burst, MA whirlwind are all irrelevant dmg wise and are just to proc it. Shield throw is a support skill for all intents and purposes

[turbid dome]

Honestly the general plan there looks good, I’ve never used MA to bait things together for shield throw/MA on shield throw thing so I can’t really comment on that

[narrow valley]

I've only heard bad things from people trying dot vk, it's like never best at anything

[mighty cedar]

So his taunt has been working pretty well. I’m currently running just hit like a truck shield throw and I’m usually not attacked unless I have bad positionin or stand in something stupid.

[mighty cedar]

Yea I feel you, the only saving Grace that I can see with decay is that it scaled flat dmg with Vit thankfully

[turbid dome]

Does the taunt override focus elites?

[alpine canopy]

It works pretty well now, maybe. I ran one a little while ago using rav aura for clear and abyssal + warpath for single target

[mighty cedar]

Unsure, it feels like it’s a chance with a higher chance for me but still a chance lole it’s rolled

[turbid dome]

[narrow valley]

gotta say though, if you've not gotten to the final boss yet, dot vk feels like the best class to learn the mechanics.
you are tanky enough to make mistakes, and your leech is strong and doesn't need you to stand still

[mighty cedar]

Also, I’ve been using the minion teleport with movement skil… sometimes it procs the HH shorter cooldown and sometimes it doesn’t…. It’s like there sometimes is a split second where HH goes off first before the teleport

[mighty cedar]

Honestly most bosses have been smooth for me even though I only have 36% phys res. MA be taking the hits or targeted abilites. I know I need to invest in his survivablyy but HH healing has been an okay stop gap for now

[alpine canopy]

One of your minions needs to be below full health for it to proc

[magic panther]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALv0vOEB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 84

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (62) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,095, Regen: 120.7/s
▸ Mana: 114, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 88 Str / 9 Dex / 11 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 78% / 37% / 67% / 76% / 76% / 32%
▸ EHP: 2,476 / 2,476 / 1,798 / 2,805 / 2,476 / 2,476 / 1,731

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 299
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,164)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Lunge (21)
• Rive (21)
• Forge Strike (21)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• The Last Bear's Lament
• The Last Bear's Scorn
• The Last Bear's Fury
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Valdyr's Chalice

[acoustic cobalt]

does the sentinel relic that throws axes on warpath channeling stack with the Axe Thrower passive?

[mighty cedar]

OH is that why it does sometimes and not all the time. I didn’t know that. Probably cause i just read the node and didn’t read it and just assumed it was always ha

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[twilit valley]

Forge master dude did 1000+ waves ..

Madness …

[acoustic cobalt]

ty!

[twilit valley]

When I make a alt - what do I select to use items I have in my stash

[proper holly]

Yes but the relic axe benefit from warpath tree, while the one from passive doesn't

[mighty cedar]

My understanding is he mostly just blocks everythjng and let’s his minion do the dmg and bleeds. I would love to see a video of it in action

[turbid dome]

Your alts will share the entire stash, as long as you don’t select solo self found

Soft core characters share a stash, Hardcore characters share a stash

[twilit valley]

Seems like a style Diablo players use

[magic panther]

there's not many styles within ARPGs

[twilit valley]

I can see what he’s done - basically 100% block chance with mountain shield

High end % to cap block chance

[magic panther]

hah, thats crazy

[twilit valley]

Guess he’s worked it out

And the build would be easy to play . Spam and watch tv

While everything dies in arena

[mighty cedar]

Plus RoS procs

Part of me wants to do some stupid shield throw retaliate build but the issue with those is bosses don’t hit THAT often

[simple raven]

anyone got a spare lp4 bastion of honour or two to give me? 😛

no? fine xD

[turbid dome]

[simple raven]

its ur boy, greggi!

[indigo veldt]

did a new "best" way to build warpath crystalize out yet?

[quiet hearth]

event horizon

spin once every fiscal year

[simple raven]

found 2 rings with T7 throwing dmg.....game refuse to give me block% T6/7 -_-

89h this cycle and 0 (zero, nada, zilch) rings with T6 or 7 block%..... aaaaaarrrrgggghhh

[mighty cedar]

Omg the dream, are you running hammered?

[simple raven]

thorns FG😂

ill save em regardless just incase i do level something throwing

[mighty cedar]

Why do you want throw dmg?

[simple raven]

i dont want throw dmg. i want rings with T6/7 block% but the game sees fit to give me throw dmg rings instead -_-

i even got the new VC mace, making me tempted to level another sentinel xD

[delicate peak]

quick question, does Vortex Pennant work with Undisputed? specifically the scaling physical damage bonus that is

[simple raven]

i might roll an alt once i got aberroth down though, but not yet

[mighty cedar]

I would kill for throw dmg hahah I’m running good throw dmg currently. Those echos are jst too juicy

[quiet hearth]

I really wish they would just let us respec our masteries somehow

[waxen nymph]

Should

[delicate peak]

great, time to see how silly that combo can get with smite on throwing weapon hit idols then 😄

[proper holly]

Physical penetration and the more physical damage from xithara amulet both scale the number of axes.

[quiet hearth]

wait, phys pen scales the number of axes from vortex?

[proper holly]

Yes and warpath tree scale the axe.

Not logical with any rules but that is how it works. At least that enable a build

[quiet hearth]

pen increasing the axes, that is wild

[sudden cairn]

shield bash best build in this season so far?

[delicate peak]

noted

on a completely different note, have they fixed the extra spears on Sierpin's Fractal Tree yet?

[quiet hearth]

Im gonna have to ask the devs on that, that just seems to weird to be true

[swift thicket]

new player here, just played paladin so far and loved it (till lvl 60ish). wanted to try the spin to win void knight, is it viable this season? Dont wanna just follow the maxroll guide and am curious if anyone played it this season 😄

[winter copper]

if u have insane gear sure, on budget its the trashiest build

and even with insane gear the clearspeed and boss kill speed is way worse than on other sentinel builds

[sudden cairn]

that's tough, insane as in like this planner?https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QezEDWxB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (25) / Forge Guard (14) / Paladin (52)

General:

▸ Health: 3,840, Regen: 130/s
▸ Mana: 174, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 110 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 74% / 74% / 72% / 89% / 104% / 75%
▸ EHP: 32,828 / 32,343 / 32,343 / 67,244 / 39,711 / 39,711 / 32,665

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 79%, Threshold: 791
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,466)
▸ Block Chance: 82%, Mitigation: 76% (7,050)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (23)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Holy Aura (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (23)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Monument of Protection
• Foot of the Mountain
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

This build has a guide:

1.1 Shield Bash Is Immortal, Slams 1000+ Corruption | Paladin / Forge Guard LE Build Guide by ronarray

[iron tulip]

What's a good way to target farm a monument of protection? 🤔
I wanna do the switch soon but havent dropped one so far

[quiet hearth]

so no, pen does not scale the number of projectiles for vortex according to devs

[winter copper]

its a paladin so automatically -30% or more dmg compared to fg and no horns of ukeros is another 10-20% dps loss. but ye smth close to that

[sudden cairn]

well that's insane, all those legendary items especially the relic

[winter copper]

ye maxroll setup does at least twice more dmg than on that video after checking

[sudden cairn]

huh? it's new hearing that maxroll build is better than community build

[winter copper]

thats hilarious considering all maxroll creators are people who played the game for 4+ years and have thousands of hours in game and well known among veterans, but for some reason people conviniently ignore that

[quiet hearth]

using FS with a fully stacked EH is hilarious to watch, turn into moon man

[winter copper]

their builds were always good, and in 1.1 they have great builds for sure

people just hate on maxroll cause its maxroll, and also can barely read the guides then complain that it sucks cause they just missed couple cruicial steps and its not working

[quiet hearth]

I wonder how much mana regen you would need to warpath with all 5pts in warriors fury allocated

[winter copper]

yep ofc, and its great cause we have way more builds in the game

[sudden cairn]

only volca I know is a really good one, the rest are meh, and I have no hate for maxroll
similar to d4, most build guides for maxroll d4 are ways worse than community builds

[quiet hearth]

Umm, not how that works my guy

[winter copper]

what do u mean by meh, liz was literally the guy who took rank 1 arena for years of patches in beta and know more abt the game than most of player

when it comes to le knowledge u can trust those guys for sure

[sudden cairn]

him too, him and volca, the rest I don't quite trust

[winter copper]

but ye shield bash is super expensive i dont think many people even geared it in 1.1

[sudden cairn]

actually, for maxroll shield bash guide, is it just me or the build doesn't require insane gears at all? no uber unique required, just some 1lp items

[quiet hearth]

I mean lp still isnt that easy to go through, gotta find it, then an exalted item then do a dungeon

[winter copper]

as for best build, if we ignore the bugginess of shield rush, i think thats the best build, it does 600k+ ticks on bosses, you only need to build some tankiness and u can destroy content

[winter copper]

you need their aspirational planner(or close to it) the endgame planner is ok, but not bright

the endgame planner on maxroll is bare minimum where u can play it and it doesnt feel bad imo

[sudden cairn]

yeah, was planning to ask about that, coz I think it's really easy to assemble the endgame version, only the aspirational one is really insane

[sudden cairn]

this build you're talking about sounds familiar but since sentinel has too many great dot builds, I can't figure out which one

the walking simulator build aka judgement aura is really crazy, but no idea if it's still good

[quiet hearth]

So you dont need as much mana per sec as I thought really, it's 38/s for warpath with warriors fury allocated, and you can get -16 from the tree, so only 22/s

[winter copper]

just shiled rush+jasper staff= gg, super budget super op as long as u can deal with the skill playstyle

[solid forge]

I really need to sleep more, I mixed unchained and warrior's fury

[hollow token]

any mechanics to get stuns on a warpath/smite dual weild paladin?

[quiet hearth]

I feel that in my soul right now at 3hrs of sleep

[sudden cairn]

any great erasing strike build, I just got the inevitable boots and it looks insane

[proper holly]

It was not a dev response. And the person answering didn't test in game so... Not worth much.

[quiet hearth]

I trust a mod far more than random people here, they've been around awhile

[sudden cairn]

you sure it's jasper staff? I thought that staff has nothing to do with sentinel class

[quiet hearth]

Oh yeah, -3 from the relic slot too

[proper holly]

Ok but by wording axe should not benefit from warpath skill tree and yet they do.
So the mod answer doesn't worth much.

[winter copper]

its broken i get 60+stacks on bosses, so 1200% ignite chance from 0 lp weapon and with 1 lp it can have 700% ele dot dmg

[sudden cairn]

so it's a bosser build?

[sterile latch]

Yeah but this one's consistent at least for other skills

[winter copper]

both, it clears fast too since 1 shield rush kills any normal mob on 1k cor

[quiet hearth]

correlation is not causation, until a dev chimes in 100% we dont know and I havent tested it.

[sudden cairn]

crazy, and imagine they fix shield rush to be smoother
is it the maxroll guide ignite shield rush?

[proper holly]

Not true.
An other relic give firedagger that doesn't benefit from cinderstrike tree.
What are the other skills given by items that benefits from a skill tree?
Plus axes from smealther wrath doesn't inherit form tree... So..

[sterile latch]

Oh dang that looks interesting. And yeah t7 melee aspd would be sick with it.

[winter copper]

no its still kinda jank lol, the planner is basically maxroll build with some variation i started with it

[winter copper]

you can not roll attack speed on staff and alos the skill has no attack speed scaling, its shield rush

[sterile latch]

Item subskills don't benefit subskills from the skill tree but like skills casting subskills last season for sure did.

[sudden cairn]

don't see any good erasing strike build in the tier list, is there none?

[sterile latch]

Interesting. Does shield rush just hit a lot?

[winter copper]

yes a lot a lot

[quiet hearth]

So yeah, you can pretty easily hit that 19/s mark with mana regen pretty much everywhere, but if you use Urzil's it's a LOT easier

[proper holly]

With the new mana stacking axe, erasing strike has a screen wide area. And still lots of damage.

[upbeat kiln]

@sterile latch I swear I saw you maybe talking about this before but do you know if minion traversal experimental is a instant buff with void cleave or nah

[sterile latch]

I was talking about it with healing hands

[upbeat kiln]

Oh

Would test it out but don’t have any boots with that lol

[sterile latch]

It should be if u take the traversal node but I think the minion dmg buff is always active anyways

[upbeat kiln]

Ah okay fair enough. Didn’t know if it ran out or not. Good to know

[quiet hearth]

I'll have to start crafting gear to try this perma warriors fury would be a big deal

[sterile latch]

It's impossible to keep it up forever as the mana cost scales to infinity

[upbeat kiln]

Guess either way I rather have it on my boots since it’s the only source of minion damage on em anyways

[quiet hearth]

It's not a flat amount per second? Becuase that's how it's worded

fml, one day I will learn to read I swear, I didnt see the each second part

[sterile latch]

I highly doubt it's just flat. I read it as each second costs 4 more mana than the last

[quiet hearth]

if it's not a flat per second the node is functionally useless

it IS scaling, wow that is terrible

[waxen nymph]

What are we talking about ?

[twin mica]

hi friends. im finishing normal monos and playing echo warpath. does anyone have a decent loot filter so i can help myself to not loot and look at everything?

[quiet hearth]

warriors fury node

[sterile latch]

Depends. U a dev? 😠 u have to say if u are

[winter copper]

he is not

[sterile latch]

A lot of guides have one. Maybe maxroll has an echo warpath guide w/ one

[twin mica]

im using a maxroll guide and it only has one for their "end game" level loot

[vestal mirage]

yoooo I got the slam

[quiet hearth]

can you imagine if smelters was a first half skill? I would love to see it echoing xD

[waxen nymph]

Nope

[winter copper]

no waybruh no way why would u slam that q.q whyy

[sterile latch]

Gj. I'm realizing I should've tried for crit chance on top of crit dmg on mine but it missed anyways lol

[winter copper]

who was the one that suggested to slam that awful affix

[vestal mirage]

[sterile latch]

Oh right melee crit

[winter copper]

you never want to slam % increased crit on melee builds, you need MELEE CRITICAL CHANCE

[vestal mirage]

ggwp

[winter copper]

especially on 2h weapons, it adds base chance

[sterile latch]

Does the end game level loot filter remove exalted gear?

[quiet hearth]

I mean sure but that doesnt mean % crit is bad, it's just not optimal

[vestal mirage]

it's miles ahead of what I was using

my last one got melee cold dmg lol. from nemesis

[winter copper]

its ver non optimal, most of melee builds cant cap crit if they dont have melee crit affix, its the most cruical affix on almost any melee build

[twin mica]

@charlie im not sure, but some rare items are still upgrades to me at this point

[winter copper]

i think the only melee builds that dont need base crit is 3rd crit rive and dw warpath

oh and ES with world splitter

[short viper]

It's hard to fully explain all the ways you'd be hurting yourself slamming inc crit chance onto a weapon you want to use. Also third hit crit was nerfed, it needs crit now lmao

[sterile latch]

Just try the filter and look at the rules lol

[sterile latch]

Harvest lich with 61% base crit naked 😬

[winter copper]

well you can use peak of the mountain to cap crit on that version and get 50% crit multi

[twin mica]

i'll just browse google for it then. thanks haha

[short viper]

Losing leech on your biggest hits is pretty damning

I just don't understand the logic behind nerfing it

[winter copper]

tbh surprising its still amazing, cause apathy giives leech rate, as vk with anomaly u have tons of leech so 1,2nd strike top you off almost instantly

[short viper]

Ive written 2 guides for it , it was already barely justified in taking and I spent a lot of time getting it competitive. I couldn't possibly rec it to someone rn

[winter copper]

no its really pretty good with apathy slmmaed with t7 void flat (and ideally speed if u have 2lp) maxroll guys played it on 1k corruption easily, and its a decent starter too, tested it in cof but sadly as melee you really need to luck out with some decent weapon to randomly drop as starter

[narrow valley]

I mean apathy's maw is easy anough to farm, especially with nemesis cooking.
just glad it hit the useful exalted mod that can take you to farm the next big thing

[vestal mirage]

ye that's where I'm at atm

[winter copper]

yes big time hope they will also fix cof rank 10 so u can get tons of those axes even easier

[narrow valley]

I'm still waiting to drop a t7 melee void axe to slam on my well rolled 1lp ws

I've missed like 6 t6 melee void slams already

[terse burrow]

didnt they say the fixed it at least for bosses ion Mono?

[quiet hearth]

I wish nemmy eggs were more common

[winter copper]

it is working only for mono bosses and abby not for orobyss/dungeons

[terse burrow]

ah yeah youre right

[vestal mirage]

ik they're working on it but I wonder how long itll take to fix. I'm just about to hit t10

[narrow valley]

it works for harbies right? seems like harbies drop stuff 50% of the time for me

[sterile latch]

I'm running out of uniques to throw in nemmy's egg 😅

[winter copper]

just get to 600 cor there it is garanteed in every nemesis

[terse burrow]

This is the proof of that. dunno why this isnt pinned in the discord though

[quiet hearth]

yeah no thanks

[supple radish]

Is there a viable pure physical melee build?

[sudden cairn]

is this cool build dead in this season?
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1G9gEEB

[narrow valley]

I've got bunch of things to cook

[winter copper]

its alive~ish

[narrow valley]

idk if I should start looking for nemesis after objective, 600 cor

[vestal mirage]

sheesh nemesis cooking rn

[sterile latch]

My goal is just 300 corruption. Most melee builds are viable if that's your benchmark @supple radish

[sterile latch]

Nah it's just based on ground covered / time. It's not like if u miss him in an echo he doesn't spawn for 3 more

[sudden cairn]

ah ok, so it's barely on life support

[narrow valley]

also, any debates on null portent vs titan heart. portent starting to look better even as a 2hander\

gotta start cooking all my null portents too

[winter copper]

people do 800 cor with it, but on budget? idk and dmg is low

[sterile latch]

I'm gonna try to be a bird and run seeds + wall of nothing myself. But seems hard to generate the dodge rating needed to feed foot of the mountain

[supple radish]

Without healing hands and smite shenanigans?

[sterile latch]

Leech would work too. Not sure about ward gen

But the defensive requirements are higher since u actually need to run up to enemies and stand still

[supple radish]

it seems hard to scale

[winter copper]

300 cor is a joke on a well made build, so almost any melee skill can get there

[sudden cairn]

it all depends on what you want from this game, if you enjoy the farm, just stay around 3-400 is enough, if you enjoy the push, go ahead

[vestal mirage]

is it worth losing +4 forge strike on a crappy exalt for this

it makes me way more tanky

[short viper]

My favorite thing about focused strike was that it could get to 500 in rares, i was running it through hc keyskips with basically nothing. It's still fine but the ideal solution being possibly the second highest demand meta unique is a bit disappointing (peak I mean)

[sudden cairn]

I try to search for a build that uses aberroth's command but not see a single one, why

[vestal mirage]

omg. I finally got one of the relics I need

[winter copper]

tbh the build has a lot of budget options for example void trident is very good with 0lp, arguable better than 0lp apathy, i was just talking about 1k cor level

[short viper]

I meant peak for crit capping, my b

[winter copper]

ah well ya it kinda sucks, cause if we didnt need peak we could abuse the new pinnacle boss mana helmet, i think this is the main reason they nerfed that node cause mike said that there was some new uniques that would make skill more powerefull

[twilit valley]

After making a alt - im currently lvl 25 , how far into story do I have to go , really
Don’t want to do everything again

[winter copper]

but u can still abuse that helmet with some crit investment easily

[vestal mirage]

I did up to the tree boss and then straight to monos

[short viper]

Yeah rive can give back a tonnn of mana with mods

I've got like 7 seeds and a 2lp null portent , I should cook something but I've been bummed about the nerf

[quiet hearth]

what nerf?

I should have never started leveling as a dot build, it's so good I dont wanna stop

[sudden cairn]

any idea why I can't find a build using aberroth's command? the new unique scepter

[short viper]

Focused strike in rive used to give 100% crit on third strike at the expense of not critting on 1 and 2 , now it just gives double crit chance and 50 multi. But going from 0 crit in your build to needing a decent amount kills whatever it was before

[sharp phoenix]

Does the Sacrifice node in Smite increase the damage for the ignites applied by smite?

[quiet hearth]

No, smite dmg is different from ignite dmg

[proper holly]

Yes it does

[quiet hearth]

do it tho? that doesnt seem right

[proper holly]

Yes it not a more hit damage, it is a more damage so it count for ailments and subskills applied by smite.

[quiet hearth]

It says smite deals more damage, ignite is not smite

[sharp phoenix]

That is how I am reading is that ignite damage is not smite damage even though it is aplied by the smite

The way I read it, it would not apply

[short viper]

More damage from a skill itself increases dots but scaling that skills damage won't , eg a more damage node does but inc lighting damage will not inc ailment damage even if the tool tip is bigger

As I understand it

[quiet hearth]

would have to go test it, but that doesnt sound right

[sharp phoenix]

I will test, give me a second

[winter copper]

cause build is not great and new scepter didnt change much for it

[proper holly]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/getting-started/damage-for-beginners

Damage modifiers from a Skill tree affect the Damage of Ailments applied by that Skill, unless otherwise specified (i.e. ‘more hit damage’ will not affect DoTs).

[quiet hearth]

I disagree, instant vc is great and free duration is a god send. Like it's not a god build, but it's felt really good in my testing

[short viper]

I bet @tribal crane has some ideas on this

[waxen nymph]

Void Hammer Throw , Trust

[short viper]

I've not seen many people care much about void knight dot builds, but they exist

[sudden cairn]

for real? isn;t the unique all about void cleave

[quiet hearth]

I still dont think it applies in this case, because if it does that makes smite with spreading flames THE best leveling

[winter copper]

your testing is they key word there, most people in le discord look for something that feels good on 300+ cor

[waxen nymph]

It also has Void Pen, and Aoe
And instant VC is noice fr Shred and the Extra 100 Flat

[quiet hearth]

I have no reason to think it wont feel good then, the aura felt decent at comparable cor last cycle, albeit slow

[waxen nymph]

Or you could do instant VC while Warpath

[quiet hearth]

I look forward to the day we get to convert the aura to fire dmg and we can really have some fun

[waxen nymph]

Dont see that happening, you already have Judgment

[mighty cedar]

Did someone summon me?

[sharp phoenix]

After testing it would appear that the ignite damage does indeed scale off the Sacrifice node

[vestal mirage]

I see

[quiet hearth]

That wording needs to be updated because that is terrible

[vestal mirage]

first one ive seen and im 85

[quiet hearth]

Also, we 100% will get a fire convert at some point for it

[sharp phoenix]

16 vs 23 damage per tick with no gear/passives

[proper holly]

No because spreading fire has not a lot of damage and don't stack. It is maybe decent, but for a leveling maybe life cost is too high

[quiet hearth]

It's 200 dmg per tick and that node is 250% MORE before other mods, that is super good and life cost is zero issue with time and faith

[waxen nymph]

Of course it does

Generic More Dmg applies to ailments

[sharp phoenix]

Not how it is worded it shouldn't

[waxen nymph]

No ?

[quiet hearth]

It specifically says more damage with smite, not with smite and ailments it inflicts.

[proper holly]

It is almost always worded that way.

[waxen nymph]

Bleed inflicted by Smite are still Smite dealing Dmg

Bleed/ Ignite / ailment you got me

The More Hit Dmg dont apply for exemple

[quiet hearth]

Only that makes zero sense, and is not intuative. It should be specifically spelled out, the fact we're having this conversation is proof enough.

[mighty cedar]

I honestly feel like anything with a “smite trigger” got a nerf this cycle. Direct cast imo is a better route

[proper holly]

Isn't it stated in the game guide under ailment?

[waxen nymph]

"but is affected by damage modifiers from the skill tree and attribute scaling of the skill that applies it"

[tribal crane]

have been playing on cycle recently with shield bash fg after i killed aberroth on my sorc, but i plan to rework my ravaging aura vk for aberroths command.

[quiet hearth]

That still doesnt change the fact the wording, as is on the node, does not imply that it would boost the ignites

The node wording needs to be updated, you shouldnt have to check an in game guide

[waxen nymph]

Ok sure

[proper holly]

They can't resay all the global scaling rule under any node tree. That would be awful.

You should read the guide it is not very long and it help a lot.

[quiet hearth]

They absolutely can, and it would take no real effort because it's just text. literally just adding ailments it inflicts and I have read the game guide, you can still miss things and the last time I read it half the things in it weren't in it.

If you have to read a second thing to get the understanding, there is a problem.

[mighty cedar]

Wait does this imply that if a parent skill has a +flat dmg modifier for say int, that the subskill would also get that +flat dmg modifier? As well as all %modifers from that skill tree applies?

[proper holly]

I mean, it miss a lot of info but ailments scaling is not one of them.

[waxen nymph]

Imagine having all the mechanics explained in one place inside the game, and not wanting to read it ...

[hardy bronze]

@upbeat kiln look at this thing

[quiet hearth]

And? That makes literally no bearing on what I am saying, if anything it reinforces it. And really Vlad? You're a mod.

[hardy bronze]

It's so beautiful

[proper holly]

This is the real one!

[tribal crane]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0Mww6ZB here is one idea i'll test with the sceptre

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (22) / Void Knight (68) / Forge Guard (23)

General:

▸ Health: 4,294, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 129, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 71 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 54% / 54% / 95% / 74% / 93% / 93%
▸ EHP: 8,794 / 8,430 / 8,430 / 15,736 / 12,457 / 12,236 / 11,210

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,009
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,318)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Hammer Throw (26)
• Void Cleave (22)
• Anomaly (22)
• Shield Rush (22)
• Volatile Reversal (22)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Ravenous Void
• Oceareon
• Null Portent
• Decayed Skull
• Nihilis

[proper holly]

Go make a suggestion #1210282176680169562

[upbeat kiln]

Just know I’d react with a fire emoji if I could lol

[hardy bronze]

:D

I'm not sure how much crit my minions now have, I could probably drop a phantom grip even

[mighty cedar]

Could someone answer my scaling question? ❤️‍🩹

[quiet hearth]

I plan to

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[mighty cedar]

Welcome back

[proper holly]

Yes it does i am not sure for the falt for int?

[mighty cedar]

Doesn’t that mean you can actually scale dot dmg as long as the parent skill has a flat dmg scale ?

[waxen nymph]

Depend on the dot

But yes

I mean Ignite is a Dot, and doesnt scale with Flat

[mighty cedar]

Why? As long as say… frost claw hypotheticaly has +2 spell power per INT… wouldn’t thya make all frostbites applied have that address flat dmg?

[proper holly]

No It is spell damage and ailment are not spell

[waxen nymph]

I am still a regular person, I can be a bit cheeky from time to time

[waxen nymph]

You are mixing Dot and Ailment I feel

[tribal crane]

where you getting +2?

[mighty cedar]

It’s a hypothetical my guy

[twilit valley]

Is fire apart of spell dmg

[tribal crane]

very few skills have flat dmg from attributes

[proper holly]

Lets take 1 spell per attunement for strom bolt, frostbite don't use it. But swipe has 4%per strength and that scale all ailment from swipe.

[tribal crane]

most have % increased

[quiet hearth]

I was so excited for gather storm and storm bolt and man was it lack luster feeling

[tribal crane]

it would scale a dot that has spell scaling tag, but not your normal ailments no.

[proper holly]

No it doesn't work with shadow dagger nor spark charge cause it is an exception. They are ailment that don't inherit from skill that apply.

[twilit valley]

Does the game guide explain spell ? I can’t find it

[tribal crane]

yeah i meant only in the case of gathering storm if you have say electrify or frostbite, they would need to have spell tag to scale off of that +1 spell dmg per attunement

[twilit valley]

So how would I go about making a bleed fire spell

[waxen nymph]

You take a Fire Spell, and Bleed Chance

Like Smite and a Dragonbone Axe

[twilit valley]

And spell damage will be the base ,

[quiet hearth]

But knowing the ailment thing now makes me understand why the tri ailment was working so well

[tribal crane]

warlock>chaos bolt>convert the necrotic to physical=you now have fire/physical spell that can inflict bleeding and ignites

[twilit valley]

Like the new palarus sword has +1 spell damage per attunement , want to make it fire 🔥 and bleed

[tribal crane]

what tri ailment?

[tribal crane]

that spell damage still doesnt scale bleeds.

[mighty cedar]

This would be the reason why abyssal decay is so strong then as the DoT has a spell tag, which gains the +2 flat spell dmg from its parent skill per VIT

[tribal crane]

abyssal decay is absolutely not strong

[twilit valley]

Will scale dot ?

[quiet hearth]

I was using the ruby fang set with FS and MS to scale bleed, ignite, and poison all at once because of all the pen sent gets and the ruby fang grants

[tribal crane]

i have 600 hours on ravaging aura/ae vk and its relatively weak

[waxen nymph]

Bleed doesnt scale with Flat Dmg (Spell or Melee)

[twilit valley]

What scales with spell then

[tribal crane]

interesting

[waxen nymph]

What do you want to scale ? Your Bleed Dmg or your Spell Dmg ?

[twilit valley]

Spell

[waxen nymph]

Then why do you want to involve Bleed ?

[tribal crane]

you can scale anything that has spell tag on it

[twilit valley]

No idea that’s why I’m asking

[quiet hearth]

It was fairly effective, at any given time anything tanky had like 50 stacks of each, and I barely have any ignite, eventually when I have the gear it's going to be the all dot build, well sans frostbite

[tribal crane]

add frostbite shackles and you'll have frostbite too

[quiet hearth]

gloves are spoken for with atrophy

[tribal crane]

how about relic? last gift of the mountain gives chance to frostbite, only on spell hit though

[mighty cedar]

I respectfully disagree

[waxen nymph]

Well if you want to focus on Spell Dmg, dont try to add Bleed in the mix
Spell scale with

• Flat Spell
• % Spell Dmg and % Dmg for the right Element (ie Fire Cold Necrotic ...)
• If its a Hit Crit Chance and Crit Multi
• Penetration / Shred of the right Element
• If its a Hit Armor Shred
  @twilit valley

[hasty current]

are there any builds that centre around improving Holy Trail (Javelin) are there any Uniques that add to its effectiveness? eg wider or more trails?

[twilit valley]

Thanks

[waxen nymph]

No unique directly, but its a fairly strong early game skill

I am sure Maxroll has a guide

[terse burrow]

general question guys

one has RoA chance, the other doesnt. does this mean you cant get this shield from Rune?

[quiet hearth]

that is on spell hit and this has to be melee

[tribal crane]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4e5dm6o it sadly is quite weak even with relatively well geared vk

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (33) / Void Knight (74) / Paladin (6)

General:

▸ Health: 4,490, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 135.51, Regen: 8.77/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 6 Dex / 6 Int / 12 Att / 118 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 76% / 120% / 75% / 77% / 135% / 149%
▸ EHP: 13,842 / 13,860 / 13,860 / 19,614 / 15,642 / 13,860 / 13,860

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,059
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,412)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Vengeance (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (23)
• Void Cleave (23)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Spine of Malatros
• Ravenous Void
• Oceareon
• Siphon of Anguish
• Anchor of Oblivion

[waxen nymph]

The Shield is a boss drop
You can only get it by killing the boss

[terse burrow]

gotcha. thanks. Same with items like Omni's?

[mighty cedar]

Would you like to see my stupid dream that uses it

[tribal crane]

yeah i always like to look at fresh ideas

[mighty cedar]

You asked for it. I’m open to mechanics questions and even possible issues that you can see. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrpJK5PA

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (51) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (27)

General:

▸ Health: 2,443, Regen: 31.9/s
▸ Mana: 111, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 5 Att / 55 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 94% / 94% / 97% / 73% / 97% / 72%
▸ EHP: 8,665 / 9,057 / 8,665 / 13,021 / 8,453 / 8,665 / 8,372

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 769
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,806)
▸ Block Chance: 54%, Mitigation: 33% (856)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Throw (21)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Healing Hands (20)

Used unique items:

• Atrophy
• Aberroth's Command
• Anchor of Oblivion

[waxen nymph]

Yup

[terse burrow]

good to know, thanks

[brittle grove]

good evening fellow voidknight enjoyers /

[tribal crane]

you literally use abyssal echo as a buff skill with your setup, not as a dps skill. i thought we were talking about dmg lol

[mighty cedar]

This produces 7+ hits per shield throw…. That all proc Abyssal Decay… the “on hit 5% dmg”

Not accounting for echos

[tribal crane]

yeah, if you play abyssal decay without it it procs it and deals its whole dmg and then you can reapply it with screaming rifts node.

this setup doesn't do any dmg with abyssal echo

[mighty cedar]

It’s not meant to, it’s meant to deal dmg through abysssal decay

[devout sierra]

just for reference to that node, it deals 5% of the total damage per hit which means you need to deal 20 hits for it to equal not having that node. That node is sorta a trick imo. Cause you can apply abyssal decay a shocking amount. so if it takes you 2-3 seconds to hit 20 times, you might as well have just went for multiple casts of decay to proc it 2-3 times that does 2-3x the damage

[tribal crane]

exactly this

[mighty cedar]

I can apply 20 hits within that time

[devout sierra]

ive not really found a case where you can hit fast enough to justify it, it just sorta ends up lowering your damage overall because you can spec abyssal decay to cast like 3 times with a delay inbetween so thats like doing 60 hits in 3 seconds

[tribal crane]

with good enough attackspeed you can proc every echo from screaming rifts

[mighty cedar]

Shield throw hit (1) + explosion (2) + MA sweep (3) richochets MA explosion (4) + second hit (5) + explosion (6) + MA sweep (7) + explosion (8). Per shield throw not including echos

[devout sierra]

yeah but if you left it as normal hit, and had it cast 5 times in 2.5 seconds with screaming rifts

[mighty cedar]

Granted this is primarily for single target. I am worried about trash clear

[tribal crane]

still does way less dmg than 4 full abyssal decays in that timeframe

[mighty cedar]

Hmmm I may need to rethink then for sure

[tribal crane]

look at my planner and see how i skilled abyssal echo if it is your main dmg source

[devout sierra]

the only thing id say the 5% per hit node does that can be sorta helpful is it adds dps without eating a lot of mana, if mana is not a concern then its not too good, but if you have high mana costs, then it lets you get more damage out of a single cast.

[tribal crane]

i would have myopia node aswell if it worked, but it has been bugged for me for over a year and doesn't blind

[mighty cedar]

I REALLY considered investing 10 points into future strike but without scaling it seems like a bait

[tribal crane]

i have it as a meme

i wish they would just give us more ways to apply it, it would be already good ailment

[mighty cedar]

So I could probably keep the set up the same and just get the one you recommended and still pop them (just feel like the dmg would be shot funny at that point if there was no stack on the mob)

[hardy bronze]

Any minion geniuses in chat? I'm tempted to say my forged weapons crit is somewhere around 48% with the math being 5+ 3+ 3 + 18 * (1 + 0.35 + 0.28 + 0.39)

[tribal crane]

right now the only way is the passive and relic, and a node in anomaly.

[mighty cedar]

What better way than “on hit” would be wanted? You just mean more stacks from more sources

[tribal crane]

abyssal decay doesn't stack, you pop it and it deals dmg instantly, and then reapply it via screaming rifts

[mighty cedar]

Yea that node applies one every so often right? Inbetween those casts (unless decay is on them) I’m not doing any dmg. That’s what I mean it’s a little shotgunny in those terms unless I am underestimating it’s frequency

[tribal crane]

i wish we would have it on gear like chance to ignite on hit etc. would make it viable ailment option for sure. just some duration idols and vks have their own ailment

[tribal crane]

you still "tick" the abyssal decay on them if you haven't hit them

it is very frequent considering it can echo aswell

[mighty cedar]

I was also playing around with a “generate ward” shield throw build but it doesn’t seem it would work unless it’s single target ha

[mighty cedar]

That could be an easy swap to make and would still be in line with the underlying principle of the build. Dmg would probably be better as well. (Do you know if you have the “cast AE” node in VC and if you have the “cast at mouse target” node in AE if they synergies or it just casts it on you instead

[tribal crane]

vc will just drop the ae where you stand, but if you manually cast ae then you can drop it at cursor location

[vestal mirage]

do I even bother farming dungeon bosses if t10 is still bugged

[empty flicker]

What is the difference on Void Knight between Hastened Cataclysm (3/3 105% cool down reduction but increases mana cost by +45) and Shattered Continuety (1/1 Erasing strike no longer has a cool down)

They both do the same thing? Or am I reading this wrong

[quiet hearth]

Ive been using the extra castings to stack tons of armor pen with vc and abyssal

[empty flicker]

Seems silly to put 3 points in Hastened Cataclysm if the other node does the same thing for 1 point without the mana cost increase

I feel like I'm missing something, otherwise that seems like an incredibly weird oversight

[devout sierra]

the node before the 0 cooldown one adds +60 mana cost

it causes ES to "echo" 100% of the time, that extra echo eats up 60 mana, you can spec that for more echos that eat up 60 mana each

[empty flicker]

Hmmm, I see... Seems odd the way it's laid out but it makes sense I guess

[vestal mirage]

is there a way for me to see how much each point of attunement is helping my minions

attunement does scale fg minions right?

[mighty cedar]

Okay yea I’m thinking that too, VC would be around be, and then I can place AE as needed for bosses ect to proc… or even to my current fave tactic of healing hands into the boss/MA, and VR away. But now I suppose it would be HH, VC, VR, haha

[waxen nymph]

Hoover over Forged Strike

It should tell you

[vestal mirage]

awesome ty didn't know that

trying to decide if 12 attunement is better than 280% minion hp on gloves

[waxen nymph]

Probably none
Since with PHantom Graps you can have your gloves applied to your FW

[vestal mirage]

oh that's a good point. i have double PG atm

wait would t7 attack speed just go hard as hell on gloves then?

[waxen nymph]

Yep

[vestal mirage]

ik what I'm looking for now tyvm

I need to farm out a bunch more phantom grips. despair

[terse burrow]

can you use Avenged items for slams?

[waxen nymph]

Yes, as long as they are exalted

[terse burrow]

nice.
Also, is there a list of bugs we can see that EHG is aware of?
Wanna know/see if theyre even aware of the running in place bug thats extremely frequent with the Ignite ShieldRush build

[vestal mirage]

should I put hybrid health or endurance on this? I'm only 20% endurance atm

feel like health just makes more sense

[terse burrow]

...movespeed?

[vestal mirage]

nvm I didn't even realize I was at armor cap :^)

[unreal hedge]

is this good for paladin or nah?

[late hedge]

is there any point to get crit avoid if you take more than 100% reduced dmg taken on crit?

[twilit valley]

No point

[late hedge]

nice ty so either one is good

[twilit valley]

Yes

[late hedge]

But I assume that going above 100% on reduce crit dmg is pointless?

[twilit valley]

Yep

[late hedge]

alright thanks

[vestal mirage]

hmmmmmmm

note to self. dont charge in

[simple raven]

😂

[grand sleet]

is there a way to scale it? if not spell caster.

[mighty cedar]

Yo I didn’t even think about this haah but my only issue with retaliate builds is just that… they require you to be hit so the dps of them is scaled based on the number of hits you can take… so bossing (assuming it is your main source) isn’t really viable

[grand sleet]

oh no i don't mean it as retaliate build, just to have high uptime for 10% damage reduction

[terse burrow]

boots are nice.

[twilit valley]

I use exiles on my hammerdin

[terse burrow]

im useing ignite Shield Rush. though Im getting peeved at the running in place bug

[mighty cedar]

Do any smit throw players feel nerfed with the new idols?

[lament star]

ppl tell me it's nerfed for hammer throw but fine for other builds

[short viper]

What was nerfed there?

[winter copper]

smite amount is capped by 10 from idols in 2 sec

[vestal mirage]

dang the roll on this is kinda cracked...

[digital arrow]

does anyone have the build that the number 1 forge guard use in arena ?

[winter copper]

its on le tools, but he snapshotted gear for manifest armor

[digital arrow]

really ? do you have a link ? i didn't found it sadly

[late hedge]

Anyone want to check out this build i've tried to put together myself (I enjoy to not follow guides in this game). Im currently at around 250 corr and trying to get this geared. if this can be improved or if its viable to kill abberoth and anyone got tips I appreciate it!
Its mainly a bleed/dot build
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALv2LK2B

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (65) / Paladin (18)

General:

▸ Health: 3,434, Regen: 25.2/s
▸ Mana: 150.01, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 11 Dex / 24 Int / 16 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 76% / 73% / 153% / 85% / 71% / 73%
▸ EHP: 16,446 / 14,144 / 13,866 / 23,495 / 14,888 / 13,535 / 13,866

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 687
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,401)
▸ Block Chance: 64%, Mitigation: 50% (2,066)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical, Void / Melee, Spell, DoT

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Rive (24)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Healing Hands (24)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Ring Of Shields (20)

Used unique items:

• Undisputed
• Null Portent
• Flayer's Pride
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Valdyr's Chalice
• Blood of the Exile
• Salt the Wound

[digital arrow]

found it

[waxen nymph]

Why Ignite chance in Rive ?
Why FW chance in Rive if you dont specc into them ?

@late hedge

[late hedge]

I choose ignite to get more dmg out of it since I stack primarly bleed and then ignite.
And I chose FW and manifest to get more bleed stacks
I dont know what else to pick really

[waxen nymph]

This is scaling Flat Dmg

Ailment dont use it

[late hedge]

aah i see

[waxen nymph]

Oh I know what you are missing

Volatile Reversal

And its 180% More Dmg

for DoT

[late hedge]

ah, i chose abyssal for the crumbling debuff

[waxen nymph]

Thats only 24%

Take Block Effect and Heal in RoS

[late hedge]

oh and also for sanguine to burst bleeds

[waxen nymph]

The fire part is pretty bad

[late hedge]

alright makes sense, so the immolation part is not good then

[waxen nymph]

It doesnt scale with your dmg, but minion dmg
And you dont have any (plus its really bad)

Are you getting a lot of Ward from HH ?

[waxen nymph]

I am personnaly not a big fan
When you pop your bleeds you consume all the leech at once instead of keeping a steady source of sustain

[late hedge]

I havent respecced to that yet so cant really know as of now

Oh true, so volatile is more dmg+sustain then

[waxen nymph]

Why ?

[vestal mirage]

despair

[late hedge]

I chose that since i thought it to scale hh and ignite

[waxen nymph]

Ok

No, ailments dont scale from Flat Dmg

[late hedge]

oh, so they scale only from inc to damage over time and % phys dmg for example?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

Penetration/Shred and More Dmg from the skill that apply them

[simple raven]

bah, got aberroth down to 20%, but died coz the cheesy debuff stacked to 15 xD

[late hedge]

I see thanks for the tips

[waxen nymph]

~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ol8E1M3o

I made a few changes

Mostly skills and passives wise

Imo, forget about minion if you are not scaling them at all

I will just be cumbersome

[late hedge]

nice nice, even if they add bleed stacks?

[waxen nymph]

Take unspecced Rebuke for exemple

[waxen nymph]

I mean they will probably end up doing 5% ish of your dmg

If they manage to stay alive

[late hedge]

yeye i guess they are too squishy if not really investing int othem

Is fg really the good choice here then over for example paladin?

[waxen nymph]

Not really for Bleed

Ignite is more his cup of tea imo

[quiet hearth]

He has about the same about of support for either, the big factor is the bleed support on FS, THAT is a powerful bleed setup

I need to figure out exactly how many stacks of bleed I can apply on a single hit for that actually

[late hedge]

I see I see

Thanks I took your help with the passives

How does FS feel when playing? I maybe would go that over rive than since no support for forged weapons
I just took rive since it actually feels really good to play with

[waxen nymph]

Slow big Bonk

If you have a CD

[late hedge]

even if specced for no cd?

[quiet hearth]

Dont judge any other skill by Rive, you will be disappointed, Rive is too good. But FS is bonk, but you can trigger it with multistrike

You cant really sustain the mana cost on no cd

[late hedge]

Ye I trierd using ms before rive, it just doesnt feels as good somehow

[waxen nymph]

MS feels quite clunky, but with FS its quite enjoyable

[quiet hearth]

MS really needs you to put those increased area nodes for extra reach

[late hedge]

is it also usable "ranged" if you shift target?
from armament stacks?

[quiet hearth]

no but if you have the extra range nodes it reaches pretty far with just a few of them

[late hedge]

I was thinking, what really? since its the same mana used as time and faith gives, but then I saw that it wasnt included 😢

[quiet hearth]

Using time and faith with MS to trigger FS is REALLY good

man, 13WW, lil bro tried his best

[obtuse perch]

Finally got one.

In no rush to equip it though. My gloves are good for me but not particularly for my weapons.

[hardy bronze]

Falcon grips are good enough to start

[obtuse perch]

Eh, needs a decent affix on it so I'm gonna nemesis gamble it. Otherwise it's kinda garbo.

[hardy bronze]

What do you mean kinda garbo

Double dipping flat fire and ias

[hardy bronze]

Sick

[inner gazelle]

finally

[warped blade]

fantastic i cant pick up the weapon i dropped accidentally

[turbid dome]

isnt it alt + z to show/hide items on the ground

[vestal mirage]

gm loot. long time no see

[obtuse perch]

What flat fire? What ias?

What even is ias?

[hardy bronze]

Falcon Fists has up to 27ias and 27 flat fire

increased attack speed

[waxen nymph]

Increased Attack Speed
Flat Melee Fire Dmg

[obtuse perch]

Oh

Well, sure, you could recommend me a unique I don't have. But idk.

I'm not sure what to do witht hat recommendation.

[hardy bronze]

Prophecies or

[olive saffron]

surely prophecies or else CoF wouldn't really have a purpose

[hardy bronze]

I'm guessing favor might be in a limited supply for him as well

[obtuse perch]

I'm MG, and I'm too busy doing harbingers and blessing farming rn.

[hardy bronze]

You can probably buy 0LP ones for 0gold...

[obtuse perch]

Doubt it. 0LP uniques sell for a lot.

[hardy bronze]

Only meta ones

[obtuse perch]

And even so I'm not doing business right now, I don't have a lot of time today. If I'm gonna do business I want some time set aside for it.

Also... I don't need it right now.

[hardy bronze]

You don't need to come up with 5 excuses to not follow my recommendation, you could just say you don't want recommendations

[obtuse perch]

But then I'd be lying.

[hardy bronze]

sus

[simple raven]

ah, ur back again manock. so did holy aura apply the other resistance as well? are u capped or did u need more?
also armor+life

[obtuse perch]

Like you speak as if I have some kind of problem with your recommendation.

Holy aura? I'm not sure what you're speaking of.

[hardy bronze]

Forget about it

[obtuse perch]

Why would I forget about a decent tip?

[hardy bronze]

Not sure

[obtuse perch]

Look, all i'm saying is I won't do these things right now, but I'll look at the unique and see if I can get my hands on one if I like it.

[simple raven]

we talked last night about u feeling squishy and u said u were res capped with holy aura activation, and i was wondering if u really are as the 2x bonus on activation might just be the base 15%, not the other nodes u got

[obtuse perch]

In the mean time I'm going to gamble on the phantom grip.

[obtuse perch]

I'm fairly sure this was not me.

[hardy bronze]

Phantom grips are hella expensive with good rolls

I think high LP Falcon Fists are best in slot too

LP4 with T7 ias, t5 crit, t5 armor shred, t5 frailty 🤤

[waxen nymph]

t5 Frailty ????

[obtuse perch]

Frailty is good.

[waxen nymph]

What a waste ^^

[obtuse perch]

I love frailty.

[waxen nymph]

Get sealed t1/2 somewhere else

[obtuse perch]

Also crit and armor shred kinda useless for a dot build lol

[waxen nymph]

Thats enough

[simple raven]

must have remember wrong 😄

[hardy bronze]

Oh you're playing a dot variant

I think crit is far superior

Also I can't get frailty anywhere else, I have uniques in those slots

[obtuse perch]

DoT is more comfy especially when you don't have the key uniques.

[river remnant]

On alts, you dont have to clear all the regular monos any more right? I've just cleared fall of the outcasts but looks like I still have to do the rest? Or am I mistaken

[obtuse perch]

Like, hit based minion builds kinda need 2x phantomg rip.

[obtuse perch]

You can use a glyph of envy to instantly max out the stability gauge

You still need to do the quests.

[river remnant]

oh gotcha, thank you

[obtuse perch]

However. If you have already unlocked empowered on a different character, you only need to do one of the level 90 timelines rather than all three.

[river remnant]

dunno why I thought you got instant access after clearing outcasts

oh word

[obtuse perch]

You do need to defeat the harbinger at the end though.

[obtuse perch]

I don't think I'm all that squishy. This is me unbuffed.

[obtuse perch]

Looks like the person you were talking to was DuckTapeAl.

[simple raven]

thats the one! hehe, thanks 😄

[simple raven]

me unbuffed 😄 but playing thorns, so

[river remnant]

so the strat is spam envy to knock out the right side bosses, kill a single lvl 90 timeline boss and then I should be in empowered right?

[waxen nymph]

yup

[obtuse perch]

Well, if by boss you mean the harbinger then yes. It's an important detail that you have to fight it. 😛

[river remnant]

yep gotcha, thank you both

[waxen nymph]

No they meant Rayeh + Lagon instead of Formosus and the Lance Bird (cant find his name)

[sterile latch]

Yep so simple right? Single one on alts

[river remnant]

yeah really solid addition

[sterile latch]

Could be explained better

[obtuse perch]

Anyhoo

I put the phantom grip into the nemesis. And it was rotsteel. XD

I hope my cleanse on potion use will not fail me this time.

[bold mulch]

Guys, how good multistrike paladin with aurelis and palarus is? And should i focus strenght or attunement?

[waxen nymph]

Dont know about the1st part of your question but for the second part it comes down to
What do you want to scale ?

Melee or Spell

[magic panther]

Vanner, its good, but I am having trouble scaling it in empowered. Attunement.

[waxen nymph]

I have a feeling that Rive with Attunement stacking and DW a mace can be super nice

You get Flat Melee per Att with the sword, with Rive node

[magic panther]

In fairness, I am wearing a few rares where Exalteds could go, and that isnt helping things. Build for example: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ow1RyWNQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 81

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.1

Class:

Sentinel (34) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,234, Regen: 40.54/s
▸ Mana: 279.46, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 29%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 5 Dex / 6 Int / 41 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 78% / 160% / 119% / 100% / 101% / 26%
▸ EHP: 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 2,055 / 1,841 / 1,841 / 1,235

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 314
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,087)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 46%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Lightning / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Holy Aura (Passive)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (23)
• Lunge (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Smite (21)
• Holy Aura (20)

Used unique items:

• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Aurelis
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Devotion
• Ucenui's Sphere

[mighty cedar]

It is friday I am home from work, it is time tro LE !

[quiet hearth]

go full dw palarus you coward

[magic panther]

I go dual Aurelis, and melt bosses.

[bold mulch]

Smite rive? I do like rive..

[bold mulch]

Thanks!

[quiet hearth]

I have so many builds to try before next week fml

[magic panther]

Np! Good luck!

[bold mulch]

More focus on smite damage

[waxen nymph]

Then you want to stack Str for Flat Dmg

[bold mulch]

If i try smite rive i should go mace or 2 palarus?

I did MS with aurelis before, i liked it, but would be cool trying another skill to proc The smites

[bold mulch]

Oh, str them. Thanks 😁

[magic panther]

I only see attunement scaling on Smite. Where's the str coming from?

[simple raven]

why do u need to try them before next week?

[waxen nymph]

POE I guess

[quiet hearth]

palarus has backwards scaling, scaling str gives flat spell dmg and scaling attunement gives flat melee

[magic panther]

Thats right, thanks.

[quiet hearth]

Also yes, poe

[magic panther]

Vanner, another skill that can proc smites is Javelin. Had a lightning spear javadin last patch that was fun too.

[bold mulch]

Oh i'll definetly try The javelin bombardment build sometime

[magic panther]

Hrm, I am misremembering. It was lunge that was proccing my smites. The Javelin was unrelated, apologies.

[obtuse perch]

Rotsteel Part II, wish me luck.

[magic panther]

GL

[bold mulch]

Gl

[quiet hearth]

the lunge that drops the flag is kinda fun, and godspeed manock, come home with your shield, or on it (it's gonna be a LOT on it)

[obtuse perch]

Decent roll. Not super good, but it's decent.

Well, I survived part II.

Here's hoping I get a second affix. Exalting the elemental damage isn't really super great.

Cleanse on potion is so good. V_V

[quiet hearth]

yeah it is

[obtuse perch]

Is siphon of anguish a guaranteed drop or something?

[magic panther]

idk, but I've got it on almost every drop from Orobyss

[olive saffron]

its the most common drop off Orobyss

[obtuse perch]

Man it just exalted it.

Well, either way, wish me luck. Rotsteel part III.

[late hedge]

Is it a UI bug that causes my block chance to reduce for a millisecond after refreshign sigils?

[obtuse perch]

Wonder if this is a viable sword for any kind of build.

[quiet hearth]

rive

[magic panther]

Hrm, Rive minion is what I thought at first.

[quiet hearth]

just casual 800% shred

[magic panther]

oh, shred! yeesh.. couldnt read it

[obtuse perch]

Should put it up for sale then?

[quiet hearth]

no clue I dont really sell, I just am lazy and buy lol

[obtuse perch]

I mean people can't buy if nobody sells

This might fetch a decent price then.

Oh also I did survive. Cleanse on potion coming in clutch.

[quiet hearth]

plenty of people selling I promise, I just dont pay attention to the market

[magic panther]

Staying pure physical, can anyone see a way I could improve this build for scaling? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALv90vxB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 84

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (62) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,095, Regen: 120.7/s
▸ Mana: 114.43, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 88 Str / 9 Dex / 11 Int / 1 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 78% / 37% / 67% / 76% / 76% / 32%
▸ EHP: 2,476 / 2,476 / 1,798 / 2,805 / 2,476 / 2,476 / 1,731

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 299
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,164)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Lunge (21)
• Rive (21)
• Forge Strike (21)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• The Last Bear's Lament
• The Last Bear's Scorn
• The Last Bear's Fury
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Orian's Sun Seal
• Valdyr's Chalice

[quiet hearth]

the cd for those void mines on void prophets is zero I swear

[obtuse perch]

Dude wtf?

I can now just add whatever affix I want.

[magic panther]

yup, good luck getting a high one with only 12 FP left.

[quiet hearth]

Thats what glyphs are for cries in loses all lp on first try

[magic panther]

lol yup

[obtuse perch]

I mean even 1 tier is like.

Just, do I put hybrid health, or do I put crit reducion?

[quiet hearth]

crafting is good here but it still needs work because the highs are not that high but the lows are brutal

[obtuse perch]

But crafting is very easy to understand and also doesn't require much to get the materials.

[quiet hearth]

if you ahve crit reduction maxed, then hybrid hp

[obtuse perch]

Super not bad.

[magic panther]

yeah, still a very useful item to wear.

[obtuse perch]

I was wearing it for a while already, I just noticed I hadn't used up all its FP yet.

So I decided to gamble on the t4 armour to be sealed and add another affix.

From my understanding, chance to seal goes down with higher tiers?

[lost python]

anyone playing void 2h ?

[vale ravine]

yes, but not with spear

[cerulean sorrel]

1. Does the abyssal echoes it cast cost mana?
2. Does the abyssal echoes it casts do a base damage one or would it be a buffed up one if you have it specialized and/or any additional damage mods you had that contributed to it normally?

[devout sierra]

it will be specialized if you have it specialized. dont know if it consumes mana, it usually says if it does. This one would appear to not consume mana.

[cerulean sorrel]

Thanks :)

[olive saffron]

It would have all benefits from the tree. Not sure on mana.

[vestal mirage]

first 4lp of the league. is this thing useful at all?

[lament star]

lots of hp

[vestal mirage]

if only it was a 4lp phantom

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it's pretty great for almost any build. Tons of health, ability to cleanse stun and freeze, and even a good chunk of res and stun duration on it to boot.

[vestal mirage]

yee true. maybe for a future build. kinda int to swap it out for a phantom on my FG

[terse burrow]

Im looking at the builds on Maxroll but none of them incorporate this. Surely a build can exist around this

[lament star]

probably meme or niche build. Void cleave can get fire tag

[terse burrow]

yeah, it would have to be a DoT build for sure

[lament star]

i mean you can nuke with void cleave. it can have both void and fire tag

[waxen nymph]

Fire Void Void Cleave Crit

Someone pushed to 800c of the old Corruption with it

Slam exalted Melee Crit on it and it's super fun

[terse burrow]

might have to give VK a whirl at some point.

would also like a meme Vengence build. would prob have to be Vengence Pally to work

[lament star]

vk erasing strike is pretty fun

[terse burrow]

Renegade + Horn or Bastion

im lvl 11 CoF and have a ton of gear im sitting on that seem like they'd make cool niche builds for

[lament star]

its not exactly a 1button build. actually i have to press all my skills 😄

[terse burrow]

still salty that some things dont make since like Electrify seemingly a Sentinal exclusive. was trying to make a Lighting DoT Disintegrate build for Sorc and realized I cant get Electrify

was big sad

only way to get it would be through Ladle which isnt worth

[vestal mirage]

prob just trash the phantom grip if it only has +1 skill huh...

[noble zenith]

anyone playing warpath smite ?

[tribal basin]

Im waiting for the day Sentinels get actually good Unique armors with either Solarum Plate or Champions Regalia Base

[noble zenith]

i just wish wings of argentus had better base, but its already a good item

[jagged citrus]

Which is better for Bleed Hammer Paladin?

[winged pulsar]

It’s a shame there are so many op unique body armors that define builds. Having to choose one over champions regalia is the worst

[winter copper]

op ring

[winter copper]

they dont do that on purpose and put all unique body armor on mediocre bases

[vestal mirage]

all my death ratles get from nemesis is health. zz

[tribal basin]

And why is Unstable core on the Arcane Regalia base ?

[winter copper]

obviously cause ehg loves mage more than any class, i think that was proven many many times over the years

strongest builds, best uniques, fast farming, flashy spells

[mighty cedar]

can someone clarify what it means when it says " chance to use x when you use a minion skill" in regards to MA

[misty parcel]

Is there any effective way of being able to spam devouring orb on vk lol.

I know the cooldown can get low but it's still janky even at like 1.4~

[tribal basin]

That also sounds like Acolyte and i bet someone in the team has a crush on the Acolyte ... or the Mage daddy i dont judge about that

[winter copper]

a bit, but in a less degree compared to mage

[turbid dome]

I'm thinking of doing some wacky void cleave (+100 flat void dmg for next throwing) + shield throw + smite on throwing attack hit. Is this dumb?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdxkL0OQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (59) / Forge Guard (14) / Paladin (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,073, Regen: 42.4/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 8% / 0% / 0% / 40% / 48% / 36% / 36%
▸ EHP: 2,094 / 1,998 / 1,998 / 2,830 / 2,754 / 2,516 / 2,516

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 415
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (988)
▸ Block Chance: 37%, Mitigation: 46% (1,726)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (20)
• Shield Throw (22)
• Smite (20)

Used unique items:

• Aberroth's Command
• Sigeon's Reprisal

[mighty cedar]

before I look, just reading the rotation seems clunky and I would ask what dmg you are scaling, shield throw or smoite?

[turbid dome]

shield throw, with a decent amount into smite because sceptre for being able to use void cleave gives some spell damage and vitality adds to it too

its all void damage so its not impossible to scale both

[mighty cedar]

i guess I mean are you scalijng throw primarily and useing smite has secondary or the other way (imo with the "buff" "nerf" of smite on throw... (cap).... I would recomend throw being the focus

[tribal basin]

so low EHP , you are so squishy

[turbid dome]

this has a weapon, shield, rare armor and nothing else

*white boots

[tribal basin]

Ohh i see , then nvm

[turbid dome]

makes sense

[tribal basin]

i wanted to make a joke about things sneezing void goo into your general direction and so

[turbid dome]

[mighty cedar]

why do you want the extra bounce on Shield throw? for Mobbing? Also about your reply..... if you are going throw focus.... you are split between focusing VIT or flat throw and STR/DEx

[mighty cedar]

i take it you are not wanting to run MA?

[tribal basin]

extra bounce on shield throw might be good with the node where it can bounce off allies

[turbid dome]

I think my thought was more smite, but that does't make sense without minions

damage

[mighty cedar]

so the only thing that will trigger the smite is a hit on an enemy not an ally, so while mobbing this works... bossing or single target... you just have 1 hit per throw (without MA) or... if you are liek me...... RoS for stupid memes

[turbid dome]

makes sense

[mighty cedar]

you are missing Richoet node (assuning you are wanting them)

otherwise this hits 1 enemy +1 more... as is

[mighty cedar]

woudl you like to see (for a rare change) my current void throw build I am actually runbning and lvling with? might be helpdful as a base or to get inspoi

[turbid dome]

sure

[misty parcel]

We need smite to spawn devouring orbs 🙂

[mighty cedar]

i am playing around with this set that just dropped..... the scaling 3% more mod was super tempting https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDVwvOGo

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 77

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (50) / Forge Guard (15) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 975, Regen: 20.18/s
▸ Mana: 96.89, Regen: 10.28/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 0 Dex / 0 Int / 4 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 104% / 91% / 29% / 86% / 29% / 113%
▸ EHP: 2,573 / 2,573 / 2,573 / 2,176 / 2,494 / 1,850 / 2,573

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 195
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (53)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,202)
▸ Block Chance: 51%, Mitigation: 36% (832)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 13%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Shield Throw (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Blade of the Forgotten Knight
• Defiance of the Forgotten Knight
• Locket of the Forgotten Knight

[mighty cedar]

so it woul dbe 12*3 soooo a global 36% more mod ... might not be worth it

[turbid dome]

I mean you can time rot more than one dude at a time

but in general sets are bad (only one I consider ok-> good is the lightning meteor one for sorc)

[mighty cedar]

well do to my poor gearing it shot my DPS through the roof ha

[turbid dome]

[mighty cedar]

i mean did you see my phys res haha

[empty moon]

anyone using this for a build yet?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[mighty cedar]

i enjoyed it while leving but it seems meme. maybe a super high health build? I wonder how it interacts with %health lost per second and ward items

[empty moon]

it might work besides that you cant gain ward in combat that in itself is really bad

[olive saffron]

WTB more spear support in this game

Every passive is axes, swords or maces. Sad

[turbid dome]

javelin throwing build for you now

[mighty cedar]

Or a spellblade

[sterile latch]

https://streamable.com/hmeh5g Hehe reflect forgeuard on corruption 100. I'm missing attunement on my hat and haven't yet specced into my golem to use a shield or inherit from armor yet so he isn't doing much other than taunting.

It can clear 300 as well but it's slooow compared to just using minions to attack. Also not sure if reflect scales with "more damage" it doesn't seem to be damage as you don't see a number.

[mighty cedar]

my concern with reflect is single target dmg (it is a BEAST with multiple attack procs) but 1 mob.... it kind of sucks.... has that been your exp?

[sterile latch]

well I linked a boss fight. if the boss hit all the minions at once it's fine. If they only use dots I can't hurt em

I'm really squishy right now but if I get tankier it'll also lower my dps :/

[olive saffron]

I'd love to but that tree looks so weird to try and to build around as the core skill. Might go make a VK build instead as I have a few solid 1h and 2h with either T7 or 2 T6 void related affixes on them to play with.

[mighty cedar]

that is HILARIOUS to watch and I also thought you meant on you... this looks awesom e

[sterile latch]

Yeah. It sucks vs wengari chieftains though. Idiot boss who only has single target attacks and a leap. Like why does he only hit one thing at a time?

[grizzled lake]

I didn't expect for Jura's clock to charge faster than I could see lol

[olive saffron]

certainly the silliest summoner build I've seen

[sterile latch]

Hey man not everyone can hold down right click for so long. It hurts my finger sometimes (need a macro)

To any devs reading, my lawyer says to let you know that was a joke. I don't use macros 😬

[olive saffron]

bind it to a key and put something else you rarely press on right click.

it is way more comfortable for me to hold down a key than a mouseclick

[sterile latch]

I read skilliest for some reason

[hardy bronze]

8 Aberroth kills, 1 Nihilis

Feels batman

[spark monolith]

Utilize percent damage reflected. Works on dots

[mighty cedar]

io really wish they didn't nerd throw smite T.T

[hardy bronze]

@upbeat kiln not sure how good this sidegrade is

3% crit for 19% fire pen that double dips I assume

With void cleave and the passive for FS, I think fire pen is slightly more valuable than phys or void pen

[turbid dome]

20 base crit is insane

[sterile latch]

Since devs aren't gonna do any nerfs during the weekend I decided to share the phantom grip bug. It's applying to all gear, not just gloves for forged weapons. Buy stuff up before this makes it to reddit!

https://youtu.be/lndHRV8F_DY

[turbid dome]

ITS APPLYING ALL GEAR TO YOUR FORGED WEAPONS

[sterile latch]

Twice

They hit almost as hard as the armor

Another funny thing is that each grip applies to the other grip. Not sure if order matters

[short viper]

damn, they were already expensive

[vale ravine]

is it enough to make forged weapons good tho? 😄

[sterile latch]

It's like having 12 harvest liches and a bigger harvest lich all the time... So it's B tier at worst

[vale ravine]

definitely a juicy interaction. you might be surprised by how much some EHG folks -dont- sleep tho lol

[winter copper]

funny thing how even with such bug the skill is bad

[sterile latch]

Yeah they're always watching 👀

[vale ravine]

i dont remember exactly what was the outcome of the 1.0 survey, but didnt they say they will only bugfix overperforming interactions and leave non-consequential stuff alone?

like this could prob just stay as is and it wouldnt bother anybody next to the myriad of one shotting sorc builds

[sterile latch]

hold onto that ring!

[vale ravine]

after this i wonder if it could be bugged in other ways as well, like applying your item stats to some other types of minions on other classes

[short viper]

i used one on my falconer for a sec and it didn't do anything crazy

[sterile latch]

I do have an acolyte who can try

[vestal mirage]

definitely will :p not sure what build I'd use it on tho

[sterile latch]

True, the summoned bees and stuff don't seem to get the stats

[fickle tulip]

If only there are ways to make the crab op lol

[vale ravine]

ye just throw some spaghetti at the wall, maybe something sticks 😄

[sterile latch]

Hopefully perry the pig holds a build contest with this if it works on all classes

[vale ravine]

dropped on my level 40 CoF sorc and it's not even tagged lol

[turbid dome]

[vale ravine]

quick somebody go buy if you have the favor

[quiet hearth]

ah yes, the FAVOR is the issue

[fickle tulip]

Daaam they go for this high? Shoulda sold mine

[vale ravine]

4M is nothing

[quiet hearth]

I only saw the 40m xD

[vale ravine]

ye obv buy the one where the seller forgot to add a zero 😄

[quiet hearth]

I dont even think I've made 2m yet

[vestal mirage]

there was a dupe somewhat recently so the market is a bitttttt inflated

[quiet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[vestal mirage]

just a bit

[vale ravine]

a bit

[sterile latch]

whoa what a steal!

[fickle tulip]

Yea, trying to buy some T7 intelligence Ring for my spellblade and even ones on trash bases are like 50m

[vestal mirage]

yeah the pain is real

[fickle tulip]

Gonna keep throwing 0lp Last steps into nemesis, hope he spits out a 2lp

[vale ravine]

huh the T7 mana neck would be only 10-20M now, wow

T7 hybird health belt is still 140M lol. ye, back to CoF

[sterile latch]

thx

[queen spade]

I'll never be able to make the builds I want with this economy

[quiet hearth]

Nah, sort by lowest gold you have some people selling for decent

[turbid dome]

thanks loot chest after a shade fight

[quiet hearth]

not 4? what a scam

[mighty cedar]

no,.... youi want to know what a scam really is... I had the void knight (sword shield neckals) drop... and put it on... and my DPS has shot through the roof....... and I don't want ot take it off but knbow I need too ha

[quiet hearth]

always weird when you tweak your equipment and suddenly something works completely differently

[mighty cedar]

do tell

[fallen onyx]

which build is good in both aoe and st?

[quiet hearth]

so it seems that smites cast from Palarus go into a que, I just did a big aoe hit and they just kept casting around me even though I wasnt attacking

[mighty cedar]

lol excuse me? haha like some buffer line haha?

[queen spade]

What was your big aoe hit

[quiet hearth]

Uh...maul xD

But that explains the weirdness I saw with judgement when I messed around early with pally

[queen spade]

Maul?

[quiet hearth]

werebear skill

[queen spade]

Nice sentinel build

[quiet hearth]

I have like 5 sentinel builds right now, I just am doing something different for a bit

[queen spade]

Oh, that wasn't a sarcastic dig

Nice to see smite being used on other classes with palarus

[quiet hearth]

it's because if you str stack with bear and dw you get double str to spells

[queen spade]

How much are those smites hitting for on a dummy?