🔱┃sentinel

[obtuse perch]

You kill some plot important NPCs before meeting them too.

[turbid dome]

yeah

I still want to know when ||Zerrick|| decided to become a giant slug

[obtuse perch]

That's in the undead era iirc?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[obtuse perch]

In 1.1 we don't get a timeline rotation right? It's the same ones as before?

[turbid dome]

wait their rotating the mono timelines?

[obtuse perch]

Not that I know of I was just making sure.

You know like how PoE rotates maps?

[turbid dome]

yeah

[scenic gyro]

nah thats not a thing here

[hoary zodiac]

Anyone got any theory craft builds for the double shield forge guard? Kind want to try it as a starter.

[latent ferry]

is champion of the forge being displayed correctly in LEtools?

or is it supposed to give flat crit multiplier, instead of "more" crit multi like runemaster has

[obtuse perch]

Is a WIP ok?

[hoary zodiac]

Ya kinda just want a build as a base. Havent tried forge guard yet so

[obtuse perch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owM9emMQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (24) / Forge Guard (75) / Paladin (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,010, Regen: 97/s
▸ Mana: 119, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 140% / 74% / 74% / 72% / 49% / 20% / 20%
▸ EHP: 4,418 / 4,353 / 4,353 / 6,615 / 3,493 / 2,841 / 2,841

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 202
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,185)
▸ Block Chance: 82%, Mitigation: 53% (2,338)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Golden Aegis (4/4), Rallying Block (10/10)

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (20)
• Shield Throw (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Shield Rush (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)

Used unique items:

• Monument of Protection
• Cradle of the Erased

[obtuse perch]

Be aware, the damage is kind of low until you manage to get a good melee crit mod on the "shield".

As well as some decent crit multi.

Cradle is there for the block effectiveness, but there are a handful of other shields that also work well. Including just an exalt.

You also have many choices for skill loadout. I just went with all the shield skills for fun.

[jagged cosmos]

I'm just ready to go all out on my forge guard bosser

[obtuse perch]

It seems most minion builds still need to you to get into the action rather than standing back and letting your minions do everything.

Important question:

Does Bellow (increases the damage of forgebreath) also increase the damage of the ignites inflicted by it?

[wary tapir]

would be best to build crit into a shield bash build? I feel like without using the 2h node to give you tons of multi, iit wouldn't be as worth it but idk really

[obtuse perch]

If you don't build crit how are you going to push higher corruption?

[wary tapir]

idk that's why I asked xD

granted my build i made for it was trying to be as tanky as possibe

[obtuse perch]

Sorry, it was meant to be rhetorical, but I'll be frank then. You need some kind of way to inflate your damage output. For hit based builds, this is crit.

[wary tapir]

i had no idea how my damage would be

[wary tapir]

that makes sense

i'll have to see what i can squeeze in

[obtuse perch]

If I start with only the nodes from tree that give crit, as well as the crit blessing.

I still need T7 melee crit on the weapon to reach acceptable crit chance.

After this you need to stack crit mult on as many gear pieces as you can because you don't get the free crit mult from wielding a 2H.

You also still want to stack strength for the penetration.

[turbid dome]

melee crit + your skill having +base crit makes capping crit chance very easy

[obtuse perch]

Shield bash does not.

[turbid dome]

darn

[wary tapir]

yeah, my current setup is getting a decent amount fo strength without using any exalted pieces. I might have adjust my armor a bit to fit crit stuff in

[turbid dome]

copper rings with increased crit chance affix is an easy way to boost your crit chance

[obtuse perch]

Without +crit on any other piece of gear, t7 melee crit brings you to about 42% crit chance for shield bash.

[wary tapir]

oh that's a good thought

[turbid dome]

like this kind of thing

[obtuse perch]

42% is already acceptable by the way. So get some extra crit chance if you have room but don't go out of your way for it.

[turbid dome]

get a T5 melee crit chance and thats a base 10% crit chance, two of these copper rings adds about another 10% each

[obtuse perch]

Strength and Crit multi are more important.

[turbid dome]

yeah if your shield bashing a lot, capped crit is less important

[obtuse perch]

Like, the base damage is bonkers if you have a shield with lots of block eff.

Oh

Getting block chance as close to 100% as humanly possible is also a plus.

[turbid dome]

if your already grabbing abyssal endurance from VK for the flat health + resistances, grab the crit multi per passive in VK node

[obtuse perch]

Not only do you need at least 50% to make your 5% global less damage into 10% less, but also, attack speed for shield bash can be made to key off block chance.

[turbid dome]

bastion of honor gaming

[obtuse perch]

Also you know, if you're blocking, you might as well block often.

[turbid dome]

yeah

[obtuse perch]

So uh

There is a lot of pressure to have the perfect combination of affixes on your gear.

Dual Shield is not a cheap build.

[turbid dome]

if you wanted doom knight from VK you could do something like this, netting you 120 max hp, 40% phys and 40% void res, 4% melee leech, 8 strength and 23 crit multi for your forge guard

idk what the current tree looks like

[wary tapir]

This is my current setup as of the recent changes. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3PEV0JA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (28) / Forge Guard (85)

General:

▸ Health: 1,929, Regen: 30/s
▸ Mana: 189, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 83 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 90% / 90% / 102% / 124% / 96% / 114%
▸ EHP: 15,246 / 19,173 / 15,246 / 37,063 / 21,355 / 15,246 / 15,246

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 386
▸ Armor Mitigation: 83% (20,613)
▸ Block Chance: 122%, Mitigation: 57% (2,692)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Rallying Block (10/10)

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (22)
• Javelin (20)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Rebuke (20)

Used unique items:

• Bastion of Honour
• Monument of Protection

[turbid dome]

? thats for a forge guard

[obtuse perch]

You will miss out on all the shield tech from Forge Guard. Like, I can see you going past the lock.

Oh nevermind

My spatial awarness is bad

The lock is after the fifth row

[turbid dome]

thats all pre lock

yeah

[obtuse perch]

23 crit multi isn't a lot though

Compared to what you can get from gear.

[turbid dome]

its an added on bonus if you want everything else thats there

1 point for 23 crit multi if you want the other stats

[wary tapir]

isn't it "more" crit multi too? or does that not do anything special

[obtuse perch]

Crit multi doesn't come in flavors.

It's just crit multi.

[turbid dome]

void corruption is just +crit multi

[wary tapir]

oh okay, that makes it less appealing

[obtuse perch]

I mean

Crit multi is like

The only more modifier that can reach very high numbers.

[wary tapir]

yeah, it's still good of course

[obtuse perch]

And that can be found on gear.

And with that in mind, the -75% phys res boots are probably a must have.

[heavy yarrow]

looking at the patchnotes, will Smite HH still be a viable option or is it just gutted by the HH nerfs

[obtuse perch]

HH no longer being absolutely busted doesn't make it bad.

Ward being overpowered made an already good skill completely bonkers.

[wary tapir]

oh yeah those boots are looking quite nice

[turbid dome]

I think you should drop battle hardened and put those 10 points into abyssal endurance

your basically at armor cap already and abysaal endurance gives you 2 resistances and hp instead of just phys

[wary tapir]

yeah lol i just did when i noticed it also gave phys res

[jovial beacon]

I'm thinking of making a Warpath FG in the upcoming cycle, very tanky type with high armor/block/Dodge/Bleed build. I'm wondering: would Thornmail be worth investing into or would it be a waste of points? I'm still early in my build theory crafting, so any advice is appreciated. I'm thinking my skills will be Warpath, Shield Lunge, Shield Bash, Shield Throw, and one other skill. 🙂

[obtuse perch]

Thornmail is only good if you expect to get hit.

If your warpath just kills everything before it even comes close it's wasted points.

[jovial beacon]

If I'm doing spin-to-win mostly becoming a top in combat, there's a build that increases your defenses while spinning. Combine that with a super efficient mana cost.

I'm thinking Bleed or Shred Armor...

[obtuse perch]

If you do expect to get hit, you can do worse than Thornmail.

If you get what I mean.

[jovial beacon]

It all just depends on how good Blocking and Shields will be in the upcoming cycle I guess.

[obtuse perch]

If you're using warpath as a main damage sword I'd rather go for a 2H.

[turbid dome]

you also may want to drop rallying block for guardian for the same reason, armor on block is great but your already basically at armor cap

you grab guardian and get a grand rythm of the tide blessing your at 166 hp regen per second, with your blocking and armor thats very tanky

[jovial beacon]

Eh, I like the AoE, no thinking just everything around me dies-ness of Warpath. I want a shield build though, so having a shield in the off hand is a set in stone thing.

[obtuse perch]

Speaking of using a shield

[jovial beacon]

I don't have to be quick with my damage, I just have to out tank them.

[obtuse perch]

What do y'all think of this WIP? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGDPLv2o

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (84) / Paladin (9)

General:

▸ Health: 1,124, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 235, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 220% / 78% / 78% / 67% / 49% / 20% / 20%
▸ EHP: 2,375 / 2,375 / 2,375 / 2,405 / 1,878 / 1,527 / 1,527

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 225
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,075)
▸ Block Chance: 52%, Mitigation: 50% (2,030)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Manifest Armor (22)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Void Cleave (20)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Burning Avarice
• Rahyeh's Light

[wary tapir]

oh good catch, yeah the passive tree was one of the things i was last confident I did efficiently

[turbid dome]

brother are you allergic to health passive nodes

[obtuse perch]

Don't mind the burning avarice with 4 mods. It's either an exalt with those 4 mods, or a legendary with some of them. This idealized version isn't practical.

[turbid dome]

fair point

[turbid dome]

if you can get 7 points from somewhere else I'd reccomend putting the last 2 into guardianship and the other 5 into unflinching

[obtuse perch]

I have a health passive node.

[turbid dome]

you have +30 hp from your passive tree and some vitality

[obtuse perch]

Well, that's my one health passive node.

[turbid dome]

Yeah, I know it’s a WIP but more health is always important

[wary tapir]

what's the guardianship node? I was able to get points for the unflinching node tho

[turbid dome]

Things will just 1 tap you if you have sub 2k life

[turbid dome]

The one directly to the right of unflinching

[wary tapir]

ah gotcha

[obtuse perch]

I mean the idea is to put health on gear.

[turbid dome]

Health on gear and on tree 👍

[wary tapir]

Alright, new setup with some crit changes and with the passive changes in place https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4PR4w1B

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (23) / Void Knight (18) / Forge Guard (72)

General:

▸ Health: 2,042, Regen: 43/s
▸ Mana: 173, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 78 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 53% / 90% / 102% / 126% / 96% / 114%
▸ EHP: 12,066 / 12,607 / 12,066 / 25,171 / 15,735 / 12,066 / 12,066

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 408
▸ Armor Mitigation: 78% (10,912)
▸ Block Chance: 114%, Mitigation: 54% (2,441)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shield Bash (22)
• Javelin (20)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Manifest Armor (20)
• Rebuke (20)

Used unique items:

• Bastion of Honour
• Suloron's Step
• Monument of Protection

[obtuse perch]

I get the +30 from the tree ^^"

[wary tapir]

is still need to fix the res a tad but that'll just take time to look through all my gear

[obtuse perch]

Man resistances are so easy to manage on sentinel lol.

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[wary tapir]

yeah i just don't want to do it right now haha

[turbid dome]

Don’t forget about blessings and exalted affixes

A single t6 exalted or a mediocre blessing roll can easy cap a res

[obtuse perch]

All resists blessing + t5 poison and/or necrotic resist tends to be cap.

[turbid dome]

Or switch those void res idols to cold or something

[wary tapir]

right, there is still a lot more i can add but I didn't want to bother with putting those in place jsut yet

[turbid dome]

True

[wary tapir]

mostly because those can be harder to obtain than just t5 mods

[obtuse perch]

Anyway, I don't like to plan too far ahead.

Like, I could spend time thinking of the perfect gear and stuff.

Only to reach like 120 corruption and be like "ok I'm done, time to reroll".

[wary tapir]

👆

[turbid dome]

I wouldn’t call one or two t6 res affixs perfect, but I understand your point

[obtuse perch]

I mean my point is I'm trying to make a build that's viable for low corruption levels with improvised gear. 😛

[wary tapir]

i still don't know what build im going to play until I can transition into shield bash

[obtuse perch]

When in doubt: Ignite warpath.

[wary tapir]

i was thinking about warpath

i could try it

[scenic gyro]

physical warpath on forgeguarfd is pretty good until monos

especially if you get a last laugh early on

[obtuse perch]

Ignite warpath is good in monos.

[turbid dome]

Last laugh is juice

[wary tapir]

an ignite build could be fun

[obtuse perch]

DoTs in general are very frontloaded.

Very powerful.

Hit builds require you to either be a caster or stack crit (or be a caster and stack crit).

[turbid dome]

Flamedrinker probably isn’t horrible to level with

[obtuse perch]

Wazzat?

[turbid dome]

Given its nerf is for its late game power

[turbid dome]

Rive can get phys pen based on the number of if ignite stacks on the target

It’s also rive so no need to worry about mana in campaign

[obtuse perch]

Ignite warpath has just been going brrr for me when I thought I bricked my FG last cycle XD

[turbid dome]

It’s not a dot build because you remove the ignite stacks with it

[turbid dome]

True

[obtuse perch]

Like I made a last minute decision to go ignite warpath and it solved all my problems.

[turbid dome]

Warpath 👍

I wish the warpath echos would move

[wary tapir]

is there a ignite warpath build out there i can cheat off of?

don't feel lke making another build

[obtuse perch]

You know

Champion of the Forge is probably popular for non-FGs now as well right?

[turbid dome]

That’s the +strength with the 5 point threshold right

[obtuse perch]

The crit mult based on strength

[obtuse perch]

Ok so think less "build" and think more "do this with your first 15 points".

And equip Avarice for a while.

That's literally it.

[tardy hedge]

anyone try labbing out what aberroths command might look like in a build? i just tried speccing into ravaging aura with a spare VK and was disappointed to see I couldn't get the tooltip DPS higher than 12k with stuff from my stash. the stats on aberroths' make me think there's no way it'll push it into anything remotely viable compared to the build youd already have to farm it.

[wary tapir]

ah that's funny then

yeah i'll probably go that in that case

[turbid dome]

Ah, I want to grab that but there’s a completely dead node for vk in the way

[obtuse perch]

+2 flat damage not good for you?

Put the other points in unflinching or something.

[turbid dome]

It an’t void dmg and if it takes 15 or so points to get to it, that’s -15 crit multi for me as a vk, I need to go do math to see when it would be worth it

Given I really have like no strength

[obtuse perch]

Well it's only worth it if you stack strength.

[turbid dome]

yeah unless I get to like double red ring + polymath exalted on my axe theres just so much dead points in the path to get it

don't want the bleed from weapons master -> the health is nice -> flat dmg isn't really going to be scaled all that much -> I dont care for the crit chance on champion of the forge

[tardy hedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olYXXLJA this is what i got from just kinda throwing stuff at spell/dot, not sure how aberroths will make ravaging into an actual skill

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (57) / Forge Guard (1) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,979, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 169, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 29%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 6 Dex / 6 Int / 10 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 51% / 45% / 113% / 45% / 104% / 95%
▸ EHP: 2,891 / 2,331 / 2,227 / 3,261 / 2,226 / 2,891 / 2,891

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 396
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (112)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,211)
▸ Block Chance: 8%, Mitigation: 25% (319)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 15%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Lunge (21)
• Void Cleave (27)
• Abyssal Echoes (23)
• Anomaly (23)

Used unique items:

• Spine of Malatros
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Chains of Uleros
• Darkstride
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[obtuse perch]

Wait

Wait

Champion of the Forge

Is a more multiplier.

It doesn't give added crit mult, it straight up gives another more modifier to crits.

[turbid dome]

HUH

that changes my opinion of it

[turbid dome]

<- is bad at reading and needs more coffee

[obtuse perch]

I hope this is not some typo on part of the developers.

[turbid dome]

that would be very saddening if it was a typo

[obtuse perch]

But the guys who made LETools seem to think it's legit.

[vivid talon]

I have bad news for you <#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message>

[turbid dome]

unspecs points out of forge guard

[obtuse perch]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

That would mean LETools is wrong?

[turbid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/swadloon-destroyed-beam-pokemon-obliterated-gif-25800479

[quiet hearth]

I mean flat crit multi is nothing to sneeze at

[turbid dome]

yeah

especailly when strength is already making sentinel stuff do extra damage

[obtuse perch]

No but flat crit multi would still wiggle a bit from the sneeze.

[turbid dome]

but stupid amounts of crit mutli is funny

[obtuse perch]

More crit multi wouldn't even make it move.

[quiet hearth]

I mean you will at least have 100 str without trying, but I wish the typo version was still in, where it was 1:1, that would have been great

[turbid dome]

good heavens

[quiet hearth]

would still barely keep up with VK 1pt node though xD

[obtuse perch]

50% is about as much as you can get from a regular affix right?

[turbid dome]

a max roll t7 crit multi is +50% on a relic

[obtuse perch]

Meaning at the very least you have something that's better than what you can get from an affix.

[quiet hearth]

t7 crit multi roll that is also global so long as you have a 2h weapon

now if only it was shared with your minions

[obtuse perch]

lol get out XD

That would mean we could maybe compete with falconer.

Maybe.

[turbid dome]

tho I gotta say GIMMIE

gimmie that T7

want

[obtuse perch]

Yeah on a 2H weapon it's way more than 50%.

[quiet hearth]

so east 120% crit multi without exalted tiers lel

[turbid dome]

man If could somehow get a t7 flat void damage and a t7 crit multi slam onto an apathy's maw early cycle I will be super happy even if my luck never comes back

[obtuse perch]

Too bad you can't put exalts in one of those nemesis eggs.

[quiet hearth]

Whatever you are taking right now, I need you to share with the class

[turbid dome]

void damage mostly

[quiet hearth]

xD

[turbid dome]

im pretty sure I put my ms paint thing in here

[obtuse perch]

Oh man a void damage addict.

You know that stuff will kill you right?

[turbid dome]

not if I kill it first

[quiet hearth]

I had a thought last night before I finally passed out, so the detonating ground in forge strike has the melee tag, which means bonk hammer would apply its bonuses to

[obtuse perch]

Are there any void builds that aren't void knight? XD

[quiet hearth]

Void is gonna be the most common damage type before long

[obtuse perch]

How so?

[quiet hearth]

they keep sprinkling it in with items for other classes

[bright nest]

how cooked is this
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXkW30EB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,555, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 332, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 88 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 81% / 78% / 93% / 114% / 87% / 88%
▸ EHP: 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 17,495 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,099)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (37)
• Multistrike (31)
• Manifest Armor (27)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Void Cleave (27)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Throne of Ambition

[turbid dome]

I did a build with this, it was ok

the main problem is that every not void knight class's tree basically has no void dmg support, so all these cool uniques kinda just are meh

[quiet hearth]

I mean meh is fine, they have done a pretty good job keeping the floor accessible to pretty much any build honestly, though the cieling is uh, out of render range

[turbid dome]

true

[obtuse perch]

What ceiling?

[quiet hearth]

the power ceiling

I'm also looking forward to the new ravaging aura tech, love me some rf style builds

[zenith blaze]

what's the max corruption to run before it starts losing value?

anyone know?

(in 1.1)

[quiet hearth]

1k I believe

[zenith blaze]

nah it's less

in 1.1...

at a certain point your corruption lvls attribute to a quarter of the gains you get

[quiet hearth]

The top end is 1k before real diminishing returns if you are pushing

[zenith blaze]

so ever 100 corruption lvls is 25 technically

every*

[obtuse perch]

I was just kinda joking that this game has no ceiling.

Since corruption tiers go on seemingly forever.

[quiet hearth]

they do but they did a big rework so we'll see what the pushers get to

[obtuse perch]

I mean eventually any build will reach a point where it's outmatched by the corruption tier right?

[quiet hearth]

yep

[turbid dome]

yeah

their goal is that most builds will reach 250-300 ish I think

[bright nest]

Maybe the trick is to not use manifest armour...
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYk9bn2Q

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,555, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 332, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 88 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 81% / 78% / 93% / 114% / 87% / 88%
▸ EHP: 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 17,495 / 9,891 / 9,891 / 9,891

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 711
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,099)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (37)
• Multistrike (31)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)
• Void Cleave (27)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Throne of Ambition

[quiet hearth]

lvl 37 forge strike wtf

[sleek creek]

yall think the new erasing strike void knight is gonna be good?

[vivid talon]

it's already good and got some new goodies so definitely

[quiet hearth]

I wanna see a build that tries to keep up with the mana cost of echoing them and use the bonk hammer, you bonk once, have the like 3 echoes on the tree and each one has like a 40% chance to echo

[turbid dome]

tons of max mana + get 20% of your mana pool back when you hit 0 with void esscenes

get void esscenes on crit with ES

[quiet hearth]

youd likely also need to use the mana armor bases but I mean hey, you only need ONE swing

[alpine canopy]

In theory yes, but in practice it seems like it hits a technical limit after ~10k (or at some point)

[vivid talon]

T7 flat mana on body armour goes so hard

lose T7 %health but you're a void knight, you're gonna be okay on health

[obtuse perch]

How on earth does one get level 37 forge strike?

[quiet hearth]

yeah but that is a t7 not easy to get

Honestly, it would make that experimental mana on potion use be worth more. a little mana on use but up to 100% mana regen for 4s for a t7

[turbid dome]

100% of base isn't a ton of mana

[obtuse perch]

Mana on potion use is underappreciated.

[turbid dome]

wait is this event horizon or the mana cost stacking axe

[quiet hearth]

there hasn't been a need for it is all, but the channeling changes actually really give that some breathing room now that I think about it

mana cost stacking axe?

[obtuse perch]

Oh you can potion while channeling lol

That's actually worth.

[quiet hearth]

and now that you also regen while channeling

[quiet hearth]

I thought you mean it added mana cost, but bonk I think still works out as more simply because it's like, triple the base damage

time between bonks also gives you time to get your mana back

[turbid dome]

you do want to stack mana cost with it

[obtuse perch]

This makes any expensive skill crit cap so easy lol

[vivid talon]

the main attraction of that axe is the crit I think

[barren spire]

do we have a maybe vaible FG build? :3
I cna't wait!

[turbid dome]

not if you remove erasing strikes cooldown (:

[obtuse perch]

Ok so why do I keep seeing people come here and asking this?

[quiet hearth]

I mean, you have to sacrifice something, and FG already had viable builds, just not top tier ones

[vivid talon]

but crit is not exactly a problem erasing strike has and it also really wants a mace for that damage node

[quiet hearth]

Engi likes Void cleave too much to use a mace

[barren spire]

Cause everyone wanted to play FG since day 1 and we never could xD

[turbid dome]

correct

[obtuse perch]

I played it last cycle.

[barren spire]

Kinda feel sorry xD

[quiet hearth]

But I think the tech for using the hammer is using things that you dont manually have to hit with, so echoes, retaliation abilities ect

[obtuse perch]

Why do you feel sorry? Nothing bad happened.

[quiet hearth]

Now the axe on a paladin using mana dump judgement on the otherhand

fml man I have so many memes to build this cycle

[barren spire]

you mena that shield that is actually an axe? meme item 2024?

[quiet hearth]

No, I mean the mana stacking 2h

but I do plan on using that one too

[barren spire]

I don't know what to pick tbh, pala is a safe choice but FG is what I always wanted to play

[obtuse perch]

I just realized I can't even void cleave with a shield. Why am I so dumb? Someone tell me why I'm dumb.

[quiet hearth]

you can void cleave with a shield, but only if you use the new mace*

[obtuse perch]

The new mace?

[turbid dome]

its a sceptre but yeah that one

[quiet hearth]

I forget there is a differnce in this game but yeah

I still look forward to the day we get an item that converts the aura to fire damage

[obtuse perch]

Is a ravaging aura weapon. Not ideal for what I'm going for. The increased DoT damage is very juicy though.

Like if I can get a legendary version with a few good affixes. I will run it despite not doing anything with void damage.

[quiet hearth]

It's the only option right now sadly

[obtuse perch]

No I mean, it's an awesome unique even with some of the mods not doing anything for me.

And it's not competing with anything.

[quiet hearth]

Right Im just saying it's either that or nothing

[obtuse perch]

Even at min roll +200% inc dot damage is nuts.

[spring pollen]

Anyone able to help me understand the forge weapon duration calc? Do you add all the modifiers together and then apply it to the base duration ?

[obtuse perch]

Being able to void cleave with it means I can stack more ignites way faster.

[quiet hearth]

quick and easy way, turn the % into a normal # by dividing by 100 and multiplying it by the base duration

and yes you add them

your idea just makes me angrier now that it doesnt convert the aura xD

[hoary zodiac]

Bleh I can't decide between void knight or forge guard

[obtuse perch]

My idea?

[quiet hearth]

you're stacking ignites by converting the cleave to fire right?

[obtuse perch]

Yes.

[spring pollen]

Awesome ty

[quiet hearth]

The ravaging aura node doesnt convert to fire

which is sad

[leaden totem]

Void knight rules

[obtuse perch]

I wonder how viable it is to even get both those since they're on opposite ends of the tree.

[quiet hearth]

But with 60% void pen and that dot multi, it'll clear trash well enough

it's oly 5 pts, easy to get those via gear

[spring pollen]

Was thinking that two well rolled phantom grip could offset the shrapnel node in forge weapon quite a bit and you would gain the +25% more damage

[obtuse perch]

I hope "is no longer a movement skill" does not mean it doesn't actually move me, or make it stop being a traversal skill?

[quiet hearth]

it's only that if you have the dash node

[obtuse perch]

Which I would have,

[quiet hearth]

yeah it will disable that

[obtuse perch]

Are you sure?

Now that I think about it, void cleave doesn't even have the movement tag.

[quiet hearth]

it only gets the movement tag if you take that node

[obtuse perch]

No it gets the traversal tag.

[quiet hearth]

So on judgement, if you have the no CD node, and you have it taking all your mana via pious offering, is that just another 40 mana added, putting you in the negative?

the traversal tag makes it a movement skill

[obtuse perch]

You mean a traversal skill?

I'm not trying to be coy here. Traversal and Movement are two different things in this game.

[quiet hearth]

traversal skills ARE movement skills, traversal is the tag that enables the movement

Oh yeah, youre right

So you couldn't warpath with it

So no, you'd still dash just instantly without the normal delay I guess

[obtuse perch]

I mean we'll find out once someone gets the item and gives it a try I guess.

[quiet hearth]

now that I reread it I do believe you are correct, but like you said, wecant confirm just yet

[strong bloom]

does anyone know if dual wielding the new palarus sword can get up to 6 smites per second or still just 3?

[quiet hearth]

think it is still just 3

[obtuse perch]

I think the same kind of mod gets added together.

So that means they share the same cap

Don't quote me on that though, but it seems the most logical.

[strong bloom]

makes sense but kinda boomer :(

[quiet hearth]

you mean bummer?

[strong bloom]

yeah XD

wanted to make warpath smite but just 3 for second seems a bit low

[quiet hearth]

I mean wp has built in smite anyway

I kinda wanna dw those on a rampage werebear

[granite forge]

i wonder how a devouring orb build will be this cycle

[crystal jetty]

so, anyone else here love using the "Cleric's Hammer" node for Healing Hands? I've been turning HH into a melee skill and getting it to trigger 100% of the time on each melee skill I hit with.

High atk speed + essentially a second attack = stack whatever you want but FAST

currently stacking ungodly amounts of armor shred

[winter copper]

?? you also have 1.5 from javelin and 1 from warpath node, its more smites per second than hammer smite does

why are u counting only sword and not other resources too 😕

[strong bloom]

cause Ive played many smite builds already so wanna try something new hahaha

the javelin, hammer and selfcast smites have already burned hard, but havent managed to pull a decent warpath-smiter yet

and the sword seemed promising

[winter copper]

it was critting for 80k in 1.0, thats not decent enough for u?

(not on dummy)

[fair hollow]

Ngl I am gonna miss the old anvil stance...

[winter copper]

idk what kind of smite warpath you were playing but you usually stack mana and use devotion+firestarter there, damage is through the roof

the issue with that build was clear

but now you can dw with this sword and use all smites+holy aura explosions, so clear issue is solved

and also boss dps got buffed

wouldnt be surprised if minmax verson will be hitting for 100k on bosses and 1mln in dummy on that build now

[winter copper]

yee big nerfs

[fair hollow]

And ppl gonna play whirlwind MA without knowing there is a bug that makes it hit enemies only once... 😅

[rancid oak]

After change to Forged weapons, is it better to stack flat or % damage?

[fair hollow]

Both but more dmg multipliers more important since they get lots of flat from weapon and passives already

[rancid oak]

thinking of my weapon mainly, for prefixes, melee speed, flat and/or % dmg

[fair hollow]

If you go hit based then you can crit cap them now witg new rings

[rancid oak]

rings is reason im going for the build e_e, so guess flat crit is the way i guess

[spring pollen]

Was doing some basic calcs, but a good roll on two of those rings would make the shrapnel node viable for the 25% more damage and only net net slightly shortened duration. Which shouldn’t matter too much if you are using multi strike and manual FS to summon weapons as they recycle quickly. Just an observation

[dreamy basin]

Is there a way to make healing hands deal void damage?

[winter copper]

yes, just take a passive on vk tree and it will get whooping 2 flat void damage

[hoary zodiac]

Void knight it is I like big weapons.

[turbid dome]

yes

[narrow bison]

Any1 could share their experience with Rive Void Knight in 1.0 seems like it could be easy going for 200-300coruption this cycle, for casual player?

[tardy thistle]

Do you have any idea where I could find a planner for something like this? Sounds exactly like the fire xyclone build I want

[winter copper]

look up dr3adful on youtube he has basic planner, then just add firestarter/devotion sword to it

[solid forge]

Still cooking and toying around to balance and optimize, but framework is done https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Brp7bLZA

[half reef]

You're not genuinely thinking you're gonna get double T7 4LPs are you?

[solid forge]

I don't, it's just to know which stats I can look for.

It's a PLANner after all. I don't have the 1.1 patch nor Path of Building, LE version. At best, I can put what I think should be useful and then I'll have to see what's acceptable/working while playing.

[sharp fractal]

does anyone know if sky beam inherits all the damage scalers from healing hands? (healing effectiveness, attunement, etc.)

[waxen nymph]

Yes it does

[winged pulsar]

Im surprised maxroll didnt have any direct smite, direct HH, or warpath smite paladin guides for 1.1. I (almost) want to go MG with how few people will focus my gear loadout.

[crystal jetty]

I think I've settled into a weird niche of builds for sentinel, where I just abuse high atk speed + cleric's hammer on HH to spread an insane amount of ailments on enemies.

I recently got Mordita's Reach and was intrigued by its 500% chance to apply frostbite on melee hit and decided to toy with that on the pally I was using to test the cleric's hammer build. It's... really good, but I was still doing early monoliths. I'm wondering if going halfway between time rot and frostbite on a VK w/ lots of echo support and elemental/cold damage and damage over time support, would be viable at all or just wasting my time with an ailment like frostbite when I could use bleed, time rot or ignite which all have better support seemingly

[worn garden]

When did this bug happen? Been a minute since I played bleed manifest armor, did bleed falcon league starter for 1.0 instead

[tranquil lichen]

does anyone here knows a thing or two about Holy trail and Consecrated aura 😄 ?

[quiet hearth]

what about them?

[alpine canopy]

I know exactly two things about them

[gleaming pine]

they steer clear of unethical stuff. thats why no jelkor mm build on there also

[ionic spade]

and if it is unethical they dont min max it as you would expect

[winged pulsar]

It’s not unethical anymore tho. Probably even weak

Certainly not warpath smite paladin. Such a cool build to not make a build guide for

[gleaming pine]

yeah, they could do it now. but it's old news now and i dont think they would spend the effort/resources

[winged pulsar]

Rip

[gleaming pine]

even if the flavour of the month stuff isn't on maxroll, it will still catch on pretty quick and market adapts pretty quick

[solid mica]

fellas is a manifest weapon forge knight cycle startable? and what would i use before i get that build online. havent played in a while and want to see if thats a possibility

[quasi totem]

It's what I'm starting with 😛

No idea how good it will wind up, but I've spent a few hours working on a very basic build

[quiet hearth]

I dont see why it wouldnt be, it was last cycle.

[solid mica]

im still tryna think on what to play, and that's at least looking new and cool

or at least buffed

[quiet hearth]

most of the hype is around the new items, and channeling skills got a nice buff with the mana change so

[zenith blaze]

what build is gonna be the most busted?

[quiet hearth]

same stuff as last time really, just toned down to realism

[quasi totem]

I can share my build if you like but I honestly doubt it's going to compare to whatever a streamer kicks out once the cycle starts =/

Especially since I only ever planf or basic gear

[solid mica]

sure why not

[quiet hearth]

who cares, you can always go be a meta slave later, have fun

I plan on playing something fairly generic until I get some items

[quasi totem]

Wait, are we allowed to share a build in here or is this one of those places you get in trouble for it?

I know some discords hate links

[quiet hearth]

people share LE tools builds all the time here

[zenith blaze]

you guys think the hammerdin paladin builds on maxroll gonna be any good this patch?

[quiet hearth]

Hammerdin was already decent, I see no reason why it would be worse

[waxen nymph]

I feel like we had that discussion yesterday....

[quasi totem]

Just wanted to be sure

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9x1LwnA

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (2) / Forge Guard (60) / Paladin (31)

General:

▸ Health: 2,911, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 265, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 68 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 106% / 125% / 134% / 76% / 76% / 95%
▸ EHP: 10,838 / 10,838 / 10,838 / 19,170 / 10,838 / 10,838 / 10,838

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 582
▸ Armor Mitigation: 72% (7,099)
▸ Block Chance: 52%, Mitigation: 39% (1,226)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (20)
• Forge Strike (22)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Ring Of Shields (22)
• Manifest Armor (24)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip

[solid mica]

seems cool

[waxen nymph]

You don't need 5/5 in Unchained

If you take the other node after

[fair hollow]

Since before 1.0

[quiet hearth]

all my sent builds need specific gear, I gotta make something that I can start with

[quasi totem]

@waxen nymph You might now, actually. It doesn't make WP free anymore

[solid mica]

im still trying to find something im looking exactly to play, and this looks like something id like. im gonna explore around on yt or whatnot.

ty

[quasi totem]

Even with 5/5 unchained and the node after, WP will still cost 2. Might even need to squeeze in mana regen somewhere, or change relic to the -3 melee skill relic.

No idea how it will feel in actual play 😛 but it's going to hurt to start with warpath being base 18 cost

[worn garden]

Bleed hammer throw, it's what I always start with while leveling a sentinel.

[waxen nymph]

18 cost per second but you now regen 8 per second

So with minus 10 you are at neutral

[quasi totem]

@waxen nymph Well that's good to know, I missed that part. I'll have to adjust those nodes as I go, maybe only do 3/5 so I am net positive. Then I can toss the other two points somewhere else

[solid mica]

so hammer throw is how sentinel is typically leveled?

[quiet hearth]

Honestly thinking about Infernal shade detonate

[waxen nymph]

Like block chance or MS

[quasi totem]

I really wanted to get both the auto-smite and forged weapons nodes for warpath...now I'm tempted to try it again

since the auto-smite can put out a ton of healing

[quiet hearth]

could do bleed rive

[quasi totem]

There is definitely enough points to do auto-smite with that info about mana regen. Wow I'm tempted now >.> could make the skill even cheaper with the relic swap but i do lose block chance...going to have to experiment in the real game ❤️

[worn garden]

hammer throw, or holy trail javelin

[solid mica]

thank you once again

[worn garden]

depends on flavor but both are comfy

[solid mica]

i dont mean to be an ass but is shield bash looking viable? that build seems funny with the double shield

[quiet hearth]

if you have the new shield axe definitely

[solid mica]

is it cycle startable? or do something else till u get the gear

[zenith blaze]

isn't fire javelin the meta for lvling sentinel

[quasi totem]

Especially with sunforge helm, has anybody tried really investing in life regen? Like how much would you need for it to feel good?

[hardy forum]

It looks a bit tricky to start with that before getting the axe shield

[quiet hearth]

I think you can make it work because of the AS speed scaling with block now

[hardy forum]

But yeah I also feel like bashing since the start

[gloomy mural]

Phantom Grip and Keeper's Gloves... finally I can play the Forge Guard bee build I've been craving...

(insert Nicholas Cage bees GIF)

[winter copper]

you are definetly in a wrong channel, sorry sentinel is not smth you can call busted

try #🧙┃mage or #💀┃acolyte

[urban phoenix]

Would that even work?

Don't think it would.

[gloomy mural]

as written, I don't see why it wouldn't?

[urban phoenix]

AFAIK minions can't use "abilities".

[gloomy mural]

it just an on-hit proc isnt it

[urban phoenix]

Pretty sure swarm of bees is considered an ability

I could be wrong.

[gloomy mural]

will look hilarious if it does work

[urban phoenix]

Couple interesting gloves, but i think thats one that won't work. 😦

[gloomy mural]

i dont want to @ a dev with the question in case it does work and is busted >:)

[urban phoenix]

@gloomy mural

[gloomy mural]

sadness

will noone think of the bees 😭

[wise rune]

this is my build for erasing strike with the new world splitter unique https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgKOYVYB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 1,330, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 1,061, Regen: 15/s
▸ Ward Retention: 107%, Regen: 90/s
▸ Attributes: 31 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 32% / 0% / 0% / 67% / 72% / 47% / 20%
▸ EHP: 1,403 / 1,146 / 1,146 / 2,084 / 1,948 / 1,561 / 1,294

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 389
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,443)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Void Essence (3/3)

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• The Inevitable
• Wall of Nothing
• Vessel of Strife
• Julra's Stardial
• Strands of Souls

[wise rune]

with the insane amount of base crit world splitter gives you this ring alone gets you to 100% crit rate on erasing strike

[solid mica]

how would you determine the tankiness of a build like that?

[ebon patrol]

faction rep resets for the new cycle right?

[urban phoenix]

should

[wise rune]

it seems like it'll be pretty solid since you're able to actually build both health and ward at the same time effectively since your ward comes from mana and your endurance threshold and hp regen also apply to ward, and on top of that you have damage reduction and stun immunity while using your main skills and a chance to avoid damage entirely from the chest

but i'm planning to just see how the survivability feels in game and adjust accordingly, theres lots of room to change stuff since basically the only stat requirement for the build to work is max mana

[ebon patrol]

gonna have to relevel it so I can buy my 2 phantom grips. damn

[urban phoenix]

What gloves?

[ebon patrol]

not sure yet, I wanna use them for leveling so not gonna have a fixed idea yet

I just want to actually be able to level with a minion build, and I saw the gloves are only level 14

[urban phoenix]

I'm thinking about doing a frostbite forged weapon build.

not sure how it will go though

[ebon patrol]

hopefully the rings will be enough to make minions at least viable

[urban phoenix]

thats all i've got so far, probably gonna be a meme

[ebon patrol]

freeze forgeguard certainly seems niche

[urban phoenix]

Niche is my bread and butter

[ebon patrol]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMYFiA

these would be kinda funny for leveling

[urban phoenix]

Yeah for sure.

[ebon patrol]

Burning Avarice seems like it might have some niche potential for phantom grips, since they give weapons necro damage

and they tend to already be able to do fire

[urban phoenix]

could be interesting early on as well

should be 81 flat fire dmg, 54 melee atk speed

[ebon patrol]

the melee fire damage basically undoes the nerf the weapons got to their base attack

[urban phoenix]

if it double dips like that

[ebon patrol]

I'm not entirely clear on if grip takes everything or just like implicits or something

its not really clear on what "the stats" means

[urban phoenix]

I know they can't proc abilities.

but they should get any like, flat dmg that isn't attached to a skill

i think

[ebon patrol]

that makes sense, I'm just hoping they get all the applicable stuff on the gloves is all

i'm fine with them not triggering skills or the like because that could get very janky and I'd understand why the devs wouldn't want it

but stuff like attack speed, added damage etc I really hope count

[urban phoenix]

Yeah it should.

Not much reason for the ring to exist if not.

wouldn't get any use at all

[ebon patrol]

yea but wouldn't be the first time they made a unique that was just sort of a total dud

[urban phoenix]

true XD

[ebon patrol]

hopefully that's not the case though as these are otherwise build defining and really neat

tbh I think there should be a whole Set of stuff with this effect for FG

it fits right into his theme perfectly

[urban phoenix]

I just hope stacking frostbite works well.

[ebon patrol]

the idea of transfering your gear into your minions

[urban phoenix]

realising now that all the items for it are like 70+

except the rings

[ebon patrol]

well eiher it works and you have a neat niche build, or it doesn't but you can still say you have without a doubt the literal coolest forgeguard

[urban phoenix]

will be a minute before i find out.

i did a bleed stacking falcon last cycle

and it was pretty gross

[ebon patrol]

I can imagine bleed works very well on falconer

[urban phoenix]

they gutted it so hard in the patch notes, it was a bit of a monster

[ebon patrol]

frankly if it ends up that frost actually is effective on FG it will be the funniest thing in the game

[urban phoenix]

🤞

[ebon patrol]

looking at everything I think you might be right that falcon fists are the prime overall pick though. fighting chance is ok, but I don't think % damage will be as strong on weapons as just pure flat damage, after they gutted their existing flat damage so hard. not sure on late game but for most of the leveling process I imagine falcon will easily outdamage anything else

[cold dock]

sounds like im between erasing strike giga mana VK Warpath VK and Manifest Armor FG

[urban phoenix]

Yeah i think so. Falcon fists will be big damage really early.

will probably get you through the entire campaign

[cold dock]

what kind of defensive layer can the erasing strike VK build tho?

[ebon patrol]

weapons pre-nerf base damage was only 18, so it should be very noticable to say the least with 2 rings

even if it doesn;t double dip at all and just applies the same boost twice, that's 54 flat damage

[woven temple]

just use anvil stance.. oh wait

[urban phoenix]

Yeah, pretty crazy honestly.

[ebon patrol]

and thats not even considering the attack speed boost

[urban phoenix]

I haven't even played forge guard before at all, but it sounds super cool.

[ebon patrol]

minion forgeguard is fun, I just always really wanted it to be more long term viable and focused

[urban phoenix]

Would you spec into warpath for the auto summoning? or actually use forge strike

[ebon patrol]

tbh gonna have to test and see how it feels. actually summoning the minions has always been the krimp in FG pet build

too much rng and roundabout tbh, I feel like he should legit just have like a dedicated skill focused around it

[urban phoenix]

I figure with an extra ton of duration from the rings, summoning one every 2.24~ seconds via warpath should be decent, unless they die often.

[ebon patrol]

imagine if necro was like "maybe you will summon a skeleton on proc maybe you won't idk"

yea the duration boosting will help keep your minion cloud consistent

the weapons are best when you can get them into a big deathball as often as possible

[urban phoenix]

42 seconds of uptime with two perfect rings

[ebon patrol]

because of the way they work they don't get in each other's way at all so they can all just be attacking constantly

[urban phoenix]

Theres a passive too, nvm

[ebon patrol]

I'm curious how much the armor shred from some of the changed stuff will affect their dps

[urban phoenix]

46 seconds uptime

[ebon patrol]

that should be enough to keep a good number so long as you have a somewhat consistent method of summoning

[urban phoenix]

Yeah warpath should be just fine

for keeping them up

[ebon patrol]

weapons don't die TOO easily because of how small they are and the fact they are pulling aggro in multiple directions when targeted

so long as it's not big aoe spam they tend to reach time limit rather than being killed off

[urban phoenix]

27 seconds of spinning to get them all up, and they last 46 seconds.

[ebon patrol]

more like constant spinning tbh to continually be replacing

[urban phoenix]

yeah

[ebon patrol]

the thing about warpath summoning you gotta remember is the summoning is staggered

so while it's technically 46 seconds each they will all be dropping off at different times

so you're gonna need to keep going to keep the cloud up

[bold glen]

hi, any viable ideas for forge guard hc starter build?

[urban phoenix]

Yeah for sure, you'll have time to use other skills, but it will mostly be spinning.

[ebon patrol]

we're talking about minion FG now, which if it pans out will be pretty HC friendly

as pets tend to be safer

[bold glen]

thanks, i'll read and catch up 🙂

[ebon patrol]

personally, I think I'm gonna start another char and use that to rank up the merchant guild, so that when I start my FG I can just imkmidiately have 2 phantom grips and the falcon gloves

I really wanna see what that leveling experience is like

[urban phoenix]

XD

I usually go circle, so not an option for me.

[ebon patrol]

I love being able to pay to win

[heavy yarrow]

Is Devotion Smite Pal still gonna be any good with the healing hands nerfs?

[cold dock]

ya, i mean if any1 sees this and knows the answer, atleast VK Warpath has the while channeling stuff to help with toughness (and is still squishy) but WTF would the erasing strike do to build survivabillity?

[turbid dome]

Vitality stacking

Combo-ed with leech, tons of armor, decent hp regen

And the classic just kill the enemy instantly

[wise rune]

my idea for erasing strike was to build mana spend gained as ward then you can use the vessel of strife relic and wall of nothing chest to make endurance threshold and hp regen stats apply to ward, new boots that give you damage reduction and stun immunity while using erasing strike also seem really good for survivability since thats basically the only time you're gonna be standing still

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgKOYVYB

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (93)

General:

▸ Health: 1,330, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 1,061, Regen: 15/s
▸ Ward Retention: 107%, Regen: 90/s
▸ Attributes: 31 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 32% / 0% / 0% / 67% / 72% / 47% / 20%
▸ EHP: 1,403 / 1,146 / 1,146 / 2,084 / 1,948 / 1,561 / 1,294

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 389
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,443)

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Void Essence (3/3)

Used skills:

• Erasing Strike (20)
• Void Cleave (20)
• Anomaly (20)
• Abyssal Echoes (20)
• Volatile Reversal (20)

Used unique items:

• World Splitter
• The Inevitable
• Wall of Nothing
• Vessel of Strife
• Julra's Stardial
• Strands of Souls

[cold dock]

2 late to actually check the math, but is it better crit multi to go FG for champion of forge and drop copper ring for something like font of erased?

[lament star]

World splitter with MoM mmmmhmm

ooh... celestial doom is even better with fractured crown but works better with spells (fk crown is only mages)

does maximum mana from c.doom scale with increased mana on your gear ?

because 500 flat with all the % modifiers would be huge

i can see a decently tanky void smite vk

[rancid lantern]

Yo guys

Would the new ring, Phantom Grip

pass on the Bleed to Ignite property of Maehlins?

cause that should in theory make for a spicy ignite build for forgeguard forged weapons

would appreciate a confirm

[wise rune]

i feel like its not worth investing that much into forge guard for it

thats a whole 23 points you're giving up from the void knight tree which you could use to get a lot of extra void damage or whatever else and you also lose 23 crit multi from having more points in VK

also 1% crit multi per 2 strength is a pretty slow way of gaining crit multi

obviously it scales your damage too so you want to build it regardless but a mana affix already gives you more crit multi than a strength affix and mana isnt particularly fast at building it either

[lament star]

im cooking an idea... VK void smite with devotion/celestial doom. spend mana with Erasing strike. smite for dps. Idk what to do for clear....

[wise rune]

wouldnt it be better to leave smite as fire for that to get more doom pulse procs

then you can use devouring orb or abyssal echoes to get the void proc

[lament star]

doom pulse would still proc with void smite no ?

[wise rune]

it does but it has a separate cooldown for each damage type

[lament star]

says it procs on void spell too

oooh

[wise rune]

so if you have both void and fire you can proc it twice as often

[lament star]

interesting

yeah but i lose echo

unless echoing is inefficient ? 🤔

[fair hollow]

yes but not more than the 100%

[wise rune]

actually even better might be lightning smite then healing hands for fire

[tribal crane]

well it should, but knowing ehg we don't know if it will work..

[lament star]

yes i had healing alrdy

btw mana spent as ward might be pretty good too with that much mana spending

[wise rune]

it kinda feels like its just a combination of 2 different builds that isnt as good as either of them though

[lament star]

yeah i think vk is not the way 🤔

[wise rune]

yeah sorc is definitely gonna be better for celestial doom

[lament star]

eletrify paladin might work

[wise rune]

and if you wanted to go erasing strike you just go all in on erasing strike instead of trying to add a bunch of spells to it

[lament star]

with smite 0 cost. I need to find a spell that keeps my mana low to get max devotion buff

[tribal crane]

celestial doom doesnt even work with erasing strike. "You cast Doom Pulse when you directly cast a Fire, Cold, Lightning, Necrotic, or Void SPELL"

[waxen nymph]

Sigils of Hope

[lament star]

estrike was for generating essence

[lament star]

it was a smite build but needed spender

[wise rune]

yeah that was a big problem with it

[lament star]

ah fk now the MoM helmet is useless if i keep mana to 0

[tribal crane]

i think celestial doom will be okay for autobomber

[wise rune]

yeah i feel like there are better options though

anyone make a ravaging aura build with this yet?

[waxen nymph]

Spin to Win > Instant VC?

[tribal crane]

i have ravaging aura build already on my vk so i'm surely gonna test this

[hallow shell]

does someone have build for new axe shield in mind? like forge guard shield slam build or something

[wise rune]

yeah warpath with instant void cleave and ravaging aura sounds really good

and you can actually regen mana during warpath now too

[rancid lantern]

Im considering two variants on the same build forged weapons/armor build:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJkWYZWB (crit) and https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A17Rd3EB (ignite with bleed conversion)

and I'm curious which one would be superior. I'd appreciate your and you guys' input

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,729, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 274, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 72 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 109% / 107% / 93% / 114% / 85% / 73%
▸ EHP: 11,329 / 11,329 / 11,329 / 18,565 / 11,329 / 11,329 / 11,107

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 746
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,929)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (35)
• Multistrike (30)
• Manifest Armor (24)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Void Cleave (26)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Throne of Ambition

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Forge Guard (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,786, Regen: 117/s
▸ Mana: 274, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 1 Dex / 6 Int / 72 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 109% / 107% / 93% / 114% / 90% / 78%
▸ EHP: 11,535 / 11,535 / 11,535 / 18,315 / 11,535 / 11,535 / 11,535

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 757
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,500)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Forge Strike (35)
• Multistrike (30)
• Manifest Armor (26)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Void Cleave (26)

Used unique items:

• Phantom Grip
• Phantom Grip
• Maehlin's Hubris
• Sword Catcher
• Logi's Hunger
• Throne of Ambition

[tribal crane]

theres atleast one on maxroll already, volca theorycrafted that

[tribal crane]

for crit build i would definately get falcon fists with 2-3lp

attackspeed and double dipping into melee fire dmg

[rancid lantern]

I was wondering if AS or Crit chance would be more valuable

but fair point

wait the flat double dips?

didnt think that is considered a weapon property?

[tribal crane]

huh?

[rancid lantern]

you said the flat double dips

[tribal crane]

it says it gives flat fire dmg to you and your minions

[rancid lantern]

oh in that way

thought you meant it gives to minions twice somehow

thats not double dipping :p

[tribal crane]

so it gives it straight to minions, and second time through the ring

[rancid lantern]

oh

that way

aight

that is

[tribal crane]

yeah you get it twice basically

[rancid lantern]

Noted.

think maehlins worth considering?

[tribal crane]

is there enough bleed sources for forged weapons to consider it

[waxen nymph]

Not on a crit build

[rancid lantern]

no ofc it wouldnt be a crit build then

[tribal crane]

no he posted 2 variants, ignite and crit

so i assumed he was asking for ignite

[rancid lantern]

ye

[waxen nymph]

My bad

[rancid lantern]

the 2nd is maehlins, 75% off Weapons master + 140% off smelters might

so thats baseline

[waxen nymph]

• your Bardiche

[tribal crane]

you gonna play disintegrate hammers @waxen nymph ? i remember you playing it back in the day

[rancid lantern]

i played it back in the day too, it should be pretty solid now.

[waxen nymph]

I am very tempted inded

Its one of my possible starters
Flame Burst Smite Warpath
Disintegrating Aura
Or Tempest Strike Aftershock/Boulder Shaman

[rancid lantern]

worldsplitter warpath sounds juicy

just full screen warpath

[waxen nymph]

Warpath mana cost is 1

Mana cost =/= channel cost

[rancid lantern]

Doesnt Warrior's Fury add mana cost?

and not just channel cost?

(warpath tree)

[waxen nymph]

Channel cost

[rancid lantern]

aw shucks

forget that then

[turbid dome]

I wish they would reword it to channel cost

[rancid lantern]

would be a good suggestion

say

minions wouldnt double dip with maehlins, would they?

on the ignite chance?

hmmm nah

this is too much crit

to just go ignite

and too much flat

Followup question

Does Logi's Fire Critical Strike Chance work on Forged Weapons, that have the Fire tag?

i assume not but id like to make sure

[tribal crane]

the minion crit chance on logis hunger doesn't have fire on it.

[rancid lantern]

Yes but I mean the other stat

[tribal crane]

why would it work?

[rancid lantern]

Shared tag ?

this bit

[tribal crane]

it is not shared tag?

[rancid lantern]

Forged Weapons have the Fire tag

so, isn't it?

[tribal crane]

they dont have fire tag

and that doesnt have minion tag.

oh with forge strike they gain fire tag yeah.

but that still doesn't work

if there was a node that they gained stats from your amulet then yes.

[rancid lantern]

mmm

eh i cooked it decently enough

its a 15 point experiment and a glove swap if it turns out ignite is better

so not sure why im so concerned xd

[tribal crane]

i mean you get the crit yourself for forge strike and minions gain same amount of crit from the lower line

[rancid lantern]

ye ofc

[winter copper]

forge weapons

[solemn harbor]

So, I haven't really played since like... the week after they added Healing Hands to the game. Did they ever give HH a sheet DPS number so we could track what actually increases it? Or is that all still guesswork?

[ebon patrol]

we were talking about this earlier, but for anyone wanting to use minion forgeguard with the phantom grips, the Falcon fists are gonna absolute slap

54% attack speed, 54 added flat damage if you use 2 phantom grips

keep in mind, they nerfed forge weapons by reducing their base attack from 18 to 2

you're going from 18 to 56 instead

[fair hollow]

18 to 2 is way less impactfull then ppl think, since you have the weapon flat attack aswell

[ebon patrol]

and thats assuming phantom grip just applies the same bonus twice

and in no way double dips

[fair hollow]

And it got more dmg %

[ebon patrol]

it felt like an uneeded nerf in general tbh. who cares if FG has a bit of an easier time going through low level content everyone has done 30 times? seems a weird thing to worry about for the devs

[acoustic cobalt]

hey, wanted to ask how bad the healing hands nerf is, if at all. i really enjoyed playing a healing hands paladin

[river marsh]

ward nerfed and dmg from heal effectiveness halved

[acoustic cobalt]

so a pretty hefty dps AND survivability nerf :O

[ebon patrol]

do we know what exactly the ratio of stats the forged weapons gain from your actual weapon is?

I've never seen actual numbers

[solemn harbor]

Honestly the Ward nerf ain't terrible, unless you wanted to do the infinite Ward stacking thing which was boring. The DPS hit looks terrible on paper, but we still don't have a damn DPS tooltip for it as a primary skill so you're mostly using it with Rive anyways.

[ebon patrol]

like I assume it's some % of your weapon's attack and speed but I've yet to see any actual breakdown on what the ratio actually is

[solemn harbor]

I think HH might end up more in line with Holy Trail Javelin now, but that's a primary skill vs a proc'd skill so...

[acoustic cobalt]

true but the rive or any primary tooltip doesnt include the cast from healign hands, correct?

[solemn harbor]

No. HH has zero tooltip input for damage. We've always just guessed what it does. I personally only use HH now, on my Rive Paladin, for the added healing and survivability, so I can get more DPS from gear.

[chilly peak]

dmg from heal effectiveness halved
I didn't catch that, where did you see that in the notes?

[acoustic cobalt]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-harbingers-of-ruin-patch-notes/71790#heading--skills-healinghands

i guess s* he's refering to that

[chilly peak]

I'm blind, don't see that still ^^

[solemn harbor]

I didn't see anything about HE Damage reduced in the patch notes.

Unless I missed it entirely.

[chilly peak]

Yeah same for me, that's why I'm asking

[solemn harbor]

And since I only play bleed bow Rogue and Paladin, those are the only two sections I ever read. lol

[acoustic cobalt]

oh wait, now i get what you mean, i only see base healing and healing to ward

[split marsh]

Healing Hands’s base up front healing is now 50 (from 100)
Divine Barrier now converts 20% of Healing Hands’s healing to ward (from 100%) when affecting an ally with missing health gained as ward per second. It still does not restore health for that player.

not a nerf to the damage just to the healing amount being used to generate ward

[solemn harbor]

Yeah, I didn't see a damage nerf in HH's list. Base Healing got halved, so that is technically a damage nerf as well, but again, it all rolls back to the tooltip not showing DPS so it's irrelevant. lol

[winter copper]

it was missed in pathcnotes, but it will be in the game and is on current planner, the healing effect damage scaling was cut in half

[acoustic cobalt]

oh i see

[solemn harbor]

Ah jeez... Non-listed updates... That's fun.

[acoustic cobalt]

i was wondering, because last time i was playing a HH Paladin for my coop runs :D

[river marsh]

I was looking at numbers but cant fidn it now, it went from like 20% to 10%

[solemn harbor]

Still probably gonna roll with Rive HH Paladin though, it's an easy build and tanky. Plus, if it's bad, I can just pivot to WW Paladin.

[gusty abyss]

You can check LE tools for a list of changes: https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/changelog/version110

[chilly peak]

All good. I knew why I asked "where is that" and did not say "that's not true" ^^

[gusty abyss]

there are some more that where not in the patch notes

[solemn harbor]

I saw the Rive Healing buff on the Sentinel base tree and was like... I wish that worked with spin to win.

Also, some year, Paladin will not be good anymore and we'll get a list of buffs in the patch notes!

[winter copper]

tldr its a sad patch for top end sentinel builds

and good patch for 300 corruption enjoyers

[split marsh]

It doesn't show on LE tools for HH having healing effectiveness reduced in their change log

shows the same change for halving the base heal and thats it

[river marsh]

its this node that went to 10% yep it was 10% before now 20%

[chilly peak]

That skill was broken by design. I enjoyed it while it lasted, but it was not a healthy build and I think the HH nerf was more then reasonable

[winter copper]

yep it was 10% before now 20%

[ebon patrol]

any skill that heals and damages simultaneously is always teetering on a fine line

either it'll be too weak or too strong

[winter copper]

still op skill tho

just holy bolts build was nerfed the most, other versions will do just fine

[river marsh]

from proc, but its lot worse as direct cast

[gusty abyss]

And now that warpath has mana regen, we can add abbyssal echos converted to fire for AOE fire damage and healing (:

[split marsh]

You said they reduced it though. 10% to 20% is increase

[solemn harbor]

I mean, it was a bit bonkers before, so that's not terrible. I didn't play self cast damage HH after like day 2 of it's introduction though because Proc'd HH was better.

[chilly peak]

Read it carefully again

[winter copper]

umm i think you have troubles with math, if you go to the store and they tell u to pay 20 bucks rather than 10, will u be happy about it?

[solemn harbor]

It's converting from 1 per 10% to 1 per 20%. Just annoyingly written.

[split marsh]

ahh i see what your saying

[chilly peak]

Not true for Palas tho ^^

[solemn harbor]

So, caster HH was very good, but I don't like Casters in general. Melee HH was... a thing... Like it did good damage, it had good AoE, but it was always lacking things, especially tooltip info to reliably know what you were trying to focus on.

[fair hollow]

100%, same for MA weapon node

[ebon patrol]

that just makes the nerf seem extra weird. they gain that much flat damage but they still took away their base 18 for early game? seems petty

[fallow crater]

Does the Kindling node in shield bash give +20% base crit (really good) or 20% increased crit chance (really bad). Normally things say "increased base crit chance" specifically but 20% increased crit chance seems so bad...

[gusty abyss]

+x% is base crit, yes

x%, without the + is just increased

[fallow crater]

Okay it says "Next attack crit chance: +20%" so looks like base crit - thanks!

[ebon patrol]

if wielding the sword catcher or something with phantom grips, I suppose it'd probably be way more damage then to just use https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMYFiA

[balmy mountain]

Does there exist a good Forged Weapons build anywhere? ( 300+ Corrupion)

[river marsh]

not yet

[solemn harbor]

I might mess with a FW build this time after it gets figured out.

[river marsh]

stack the two grip rings and it should work

[ebon patrol]

literally what I was talking about up there. it seems like any good forge weapon build is gonna be centered around phantom grips

and so far there are 2 gloves that seem really generally good for it

the falcon gloves give like 54 flat attack and 54% attack speed, the fighting chance gloves give like 170% melee damage+lifesteal

[balmy mountain]

two grip rings?

[river marsh]

time to roll MG and get em cheap at start before it pops in guides

[fair hollow]

You forget the gloves with crit multi

[ebon patrol]

I'm not sure how consistently you can make minions crit so I wasn't looking at them since I'm not familiar enough with the trees for it

[solemn harbor]

Unique Specific Rings.... I'll never get them. lol And I only play SAF, so it is what it is. lol I don't think I've ever played a build that needs specific uniques to drop. lol

[balmy mountain]

So the Forged Weapons scale with the Weapon and the gloves?

[ebon patrol]

the rings, if you get the max roll, take 100% of the stats off your gloves. the weapons naturally scale off your weapon by themselves

so basically any forge weapon build is basically guranteed to be running 2 phantom grips

[balmy mountain]

Mabye you can go bleed than?

[ebon patrol]

assuming they stack which I REALLY hope they do

[quiet hearth]

I see no reason why they wouldn't

[ebon patrol]

my full hope is they actually double dip on each other to some extent

[gusty abyss]

What that makes me wonder, is if you can triple dip when using Julra's Obsession

[river marsh]

multi strike to summon forged weapons, throw manifest armor and the shield ring on and it could be very lazy build

[balmy mountain]

lol that sounds like a poe-crazy interaction ;D That would be cool

[fair hollow]

Lucerne with t7 crit flat melee crit chance + 2 phantom grips + t6 crit chance on gloves is enough to crit cap the forge weapons

[waxen nymph]

Odachi would be better no ?

Its faster

[fair hollow]

Odachi doesnt give flat crit

[waxen nymph]

Oh right

Mb, I thought the Lucerne was the Crit Multi

[fair hollow]

You can actually run odachi if you have t7 crit chance on solarum bracers base IF the rings stack

[gusty abyss]

Do forged weapons get this part?

[fair hollow]

No

[gusty abyss]

aww, no meming with 60% health as ward then

[fair hollow]

So then its better yes

[ebon patrol]

I'm assuming you're talking about salt the wounds for the crit gloves? so an 80% crit multiplier still beats out a 170% damage boost that then crits?

[fair hollow]

Most likely

But dropping salt for solarum bracers with t7 crit chance enables odachi wich gives 170% crit multi

[ebon patrol]

damn

though out of curiosity, would salt's other effects also apply?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcEYA4HYg

the conversion to bleed and poison

[fair hollow]

Propably not since its unique stat but have not tested it

[ebon patrol]

yea I suspect a lot of the more complex glove features may not apply. I know they won't proc skills already but I'm doubtful they proc the more specific specuial abilities either

[fair hollow]

99% of the time they dont

Lifes journey sprit plague on melee hit does actually work for MA tho so its a bit weird

[ebon patrol]

would black blade of chaos get it's additional effects through the rings? specifically the added flat void and lighting damage

not exactly elements with a lot of synergy but it's just a bunch of additional flat damage on a weapon that can get the same crit multiplier

[fair hollow]

The flat dmg and ailments yes

But too low LP chance, you would need a t3 atleast to maybe out dps a good odachi

[ebon patrol]

true. I'd say black blade would be a far better weapon for anything but lategame but it's min level is 72 so that is entirely irrelevant

i guess it will just be a potential BiS weapon for those who get really lucky

[solid forge]

You can skip the crit on gloves if you take the crit vuln in Void Cleave

Which opens the melee leech instead if that's a thing

[fair hollow]

True but i really dislike using that tbh so i rather have them 100% crit at all times

[solid forge]

Fair enough

I'm gonna dw the scepter and a sword so my VC will be instant while channeling warpath

[fair hollow]

Im not sure what i wanna play, 0 bug fixes for MA so im a bit salty

[solid forge]

I'll just switch if MA Whirlwind is not up to par, but let's admit Warpath on you and WW on MA should be fun to look at lol

[ebon patrol]

I think i'm gonna try primailst for a first char to build faction rep with the merchants so I can pay2win gear for my FG. I wanna see what the actual leveling process is like for a Fg pet build with the right uniques

[fair hollow]

Whirlwind attack hits enemies only once right now....

[solid forge]

Yeah, I'm aware, unless they fixed it without putting in patch notes

[fair hollow]

I hope so

Area affixes also not working...

[solid forge]

Or it's the tool tip that's wrong, who knows

24h to go, we'll know soon enough.

Worst case I just put the other skill on the MA

[ebon patrol]

hopefully pet FG can finally experience the shine wraithlord necro did. I mean that is extremely unlikely

but a man can dream

[nocturne sable]

I havent played since 1.0, any buffs happened to forge guard?

[ebon patrol]

mixed bag overall imo but he got some interesting new uniques

though defnitelt some buffs, it's also not the rework I think a lot of people are waiting on. that will likely be next cycle

[river marsh]

looking at passives it seems like it will lack dmg, unless the rings really pop off

like it prolly wont die, but it will take forever to kill stuff

[ebon patrol]

the rings have a lot of potential with certain gloves

[nocturne sable]

Ive always loved the concept of FG but hes just so weak lol

[ebon patrol]

3 in particular

Fg is actually probably gonna level very fast if you can get 2 full rolled phantom grips at the start(merchant guild go brrr) because there is a set of gloves at lower level that just gives you flat additional 54 damage +54% attack speed

which combined with the damage from a good weapon is just gonna demolish leveling

their natural armor shred helps too

[urban phoenix]

I really want the cold version to work. XD

[ebon patrol]

we're all hoping freeze FG works just for the memes alone

[mortal rapids]

Hammer throw got access to 75% more bleed chance and void hammer might be worth

Warpath flame burst technically got buffed since you can channel proc and regen mana

[tardy hedge]

anyone whip up a planner for ravaging aura main skill with aberroths? I tried to spec into it on live but couldn't get tooltip past 14k, pretty underwhelming, hoping aberroths makes it viable and the item isnt just a stat stick for ailment stacking 😔

[waxen nymph]

https://youtu.be/-QTVrRvwTuU?si=j2B0hxii5VHmrLhz

[scenic gyro]

you just slap dot dmg on every slot and thats about it no?

[waxen nymph]

This was a while ago but should be similar

[scenic gyro]

+new weapon with some lp is gonna be huge

[quiet hearth]

I actaully wanna grab a thornshell and stack attunement to abuse the new Thornmail node.

[tardy hedge]

ravaging aura has scuffed scaling tags so I was curious if there were any interactions I was missing for how to scale it as a main dps skill. on live my highest dps came from Spine of Malatros lol, although a well rolled merophage would probably be best

it just seemed like even with targeted investment it wasn't really viable, seeing perry's video do a couple thousand per tick doesnt give me a ton of hope for a harbinger item making it good for endgame/high corruption

[quiet hearth]

Not every build needs to be a pusher for it to be good. I played one last cycle and it worked just find really.

[tardy hedge]

I agree, still I had higher hopes for a harbinger item to be more build defining :/

[white cosmos]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shield-bash-forge-guard-guide

Any idea why the guide dude went for 3 stun chance nodes in the shield bash tree instead of damage?

[fallow crater]

Struggling to find good defensive layers for a 2H FG. Feels like so much of the defense in the passive tree is tied to shield or attunement. Anything I’m missing besides armor stacking and titan heart?

[abstract edge]

healing hands on attack

[quiet hearth]

armor stacking mostly, but dont forget about the nodes that just give you less dmg taken from nearby, and that new body armor Null something that gives up to 20% less damage taken for overcapping

[quiet hearth]

Only thing I can think of is for the defensive play of more stun means less being hit

[hardy forum]

He mentioned in the "additional details" that this 3 points can be removed if you need something else

[white cosmos]

Thanks for the heads up, didnt catch that one!

[spring pollen]

Dont forget endurance, armor to dot mitigation armor pieces and affixes, HP everywhere

[quiet hearth]

Yeah, endurance goes hard when you don't have other layers

[ripe cargo]

What skills can a phys javelin build even use besides javelin+lunge

[lament star]

Uh... Endurance goes limp with low hp

[quiet hearth]

Unless you are building ward, you build hp, that is like...common knowledge I'd like to think

[lament star]

Regen/leech is more important.

[quiet hearth]

regen/leech means nothing unless you have the base HP first, regen/leech are defensive layers.

[spring pollen]

What do you mean goes limp? Endurance gives you Effective HP, which gives your sustain a chance to recover

[lament star]

End only works when u reach the treshold

[waxen nymph]

No

If a hit were to leave you below threshold but started from above the part below the threshold get mitigated

[lament star]

Works below the treshold

[quiet hearth]

void cleave gives armor shred stacks and crit vuln stacks

[lament star]

Well end is not efficient if u never go below end tresh. Its very good for not getting osed tho

[quiet hearth]

outside of that Gum I honestly have no idea

[spring pollen]

Technically true, if you never go below threshold then it has no value. But you will go below threshold at some point. And Endurance is something you build in addition to other defensive layers, not as your only defensive layer. So overall it is a good investment as it results in a meaningful boost to your effHP.

^ This is assuming a life build by the way. A build that relies entirely on ward will mean less/no benefit from endurance

[turbid dome]

Is damage dealt to mana before ward a thing

[quiet hearth]

nope

that would be so op

[turbid dome]

Void cleave needs a two handed axe or sword

[turbid dome]

Darn I was thinking with the new endurance applies to mana hat

[quiet hearth]

...I ALWAYS forget that, ty for your obsession

[polar spire]

I'll do you one better
No leech, no regen, no defenses, only health and only lunge

[quiet hearth]

Just dont get hit 5head

[polar spire]

Naaa its fine

Getting hit is ok

[turbid dome]

Apathy’s maw just having a T7 melee void damage is responsible for the is obsession

And I can slam another t7 melee void dmg on it

[polar spire]

You get up to 7000-8000 health, run missing health lunge + lunge missing health idols, and you get hilarious gameplay where you drop down to 100 health, panic slam lunge, and shoot back up to 100%

[turbid dome]

Do that but with rive and the new time and faith passive

👍

[quiet hearth]

Actually, running that new % sentinel node when you use rive, vengeance,smite or multi strike would go well with that

[polar spire]

Rive? Naaa, you know that node that doubles damage stats if using a 2h?

[quiet hearth]

10% of your missing HP per hit

[turbid dome]

I am using that node, time and faith is on the passive tree

Not the skills passive like base sentinels tree

I can’t wait to get like 400 flat void dmg on rive from just my weapon

[spring pollen]

Oh wow i didnt realize it was such a huge buff. Ty for highlighting that! 🙂

[quiet hearth]

time and faith is GREAT

[polar spire]

Yea run a Jaspers Searing Pride 2h staff with T7 ele dot slammed on it and watch that ele dot turn into 1400%, grab laceration for jaspers melee fire stacks turning into dots, more ignite chance, and hey because jaspers is a staff, and the energy wave just got buffed, lets throw that in too

[turbid dome]

Unethical I love it

[quiet hearth]

you dont just slam t7s on but sure

[turbid dome]

With the sheer amount of 1lp apathy’s maw that drop you can

[polar spire]

I mean, you play long enough it isnt hard, i did on a 3lp jaspers

[quiet hearth]

I just avoid using t7s in anything that isnt theory is all, because my luck is terrible, I survive only by embracing meme builds

[turbid dome]

Well yeah

I do every build plan without exalted or legendaries, but damn if that isn’t the first legendary I want

[polar spire]

Oh i can get behind meme builds, like 80% of my letools builds are trash now, but i have around 400 builds made now

[waxen nymph]

Memadora

[polar spire]

I've been messing a whole lot with Event Horizon atm with its 150% more damage

[quiet hearth]

Im not being cynical about it, also, why is no one talking about how stupid blind is now?

Oh I love the bonk hammer

[polar spire]

Multistrikers are in awe

[urban phoenix]

I'm cooking up a frostbite forged weapon build.

[turbid dome]

I wish bonk hammer worked with void cleave

[polar spire]

Mordita's reach is crazy fun with rive

[urban phoenix]

Haven't played Forge Guard before, but was planning on using warpath

[lament star]

My point was. End does not go hard. It goes ok.

[quiet hearth]

Actually, raw smite with HH, Time and Faith, and dual wielding two of the new smite swords

[polar spire]

Aw, missing out on that sexy 1000% frostbite rive then

[urban phoenix]

Forged weapons should have 750%~ frostbite though.

[polar spire]

I was bullshitin with the new 1h shield axe + that sword and making a fire shield bash smiter

[winter copper]

😓

[polar spire]

Ope metamisha is here, me and my memery shall now fleeeeee

[quiet hearth]

I'm gonna do a reflect FG once I get the shield axe and thornshield, and use shield bash for single target. with 100 Attunement and a max roll on the 5-9% boosted reflect, it's like...6400 true dmg to anything that hits you, perfect for trash mobs

[polar spire]

If you play with others at all, get a primalist with you, they can spam you with thorn shields and it super jumps your damage reflect with that shield to crazy levels

[winter copper]

i actually saw something worse than that, someone trying to make bleed shield bash

[polar spire]

I've done it, but i didnt use a shield

[winter copper]

and it was also tryhard popular poe streamer, which made it even more entertaining

[turbid dome]

hides mana stacking melee sorc idea

[quiet hearth]

Dont hide it, embrace it

[tribal crane]

ravaging aura tooltip 14k? thats really good

[quiet hearth]

I 100% am doing a bonk hammer SS build at some point

[polar spire]

I've been messing with that after my recent 2200 mana focus sorc

[winter copper]

people played that in 2018

[turbid dome]

Dang

I saw the new axe and thought lots of mana = sorc = big bonk

[polar spire]

Yea most things are already a thing, and with the amount of meme bs i've posted in here, i've prob done it too