💀┃acolyte

[sly forge]

@wintry flame flame wraith dont even need lowlife too

you literally drains the life of your minions

and also for flame wraith

it is better to stack as much int as possible

and uses enough fire res

like zombie

that actually gives it more dmg

now they are much closer to mages

mages need 36-37 sec. These guy needs 40 secs with perfect t7 offline gears. All thanks to the experiment on zombie warlock

[calm dome]

Just saw a video on marrow shards zombies lich and I want to respec to it with my own takes

Heck I might even stay Necromancer just for dread shade

[wintry flame]

I know I’m just saying it makes sense before experimenting haha

They don’t get as much benefit from mana stacking and can benefit from armor more. Idk how useful pale ox is now but could be diff

[pallid geyser]

Does RIP blood warloc kdo enough dmg over time to make this worth?

[sly forge]

@wintry flame nah bad for them, at least for blood wraith necro

it does not have this https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AIwBgTMQ which is huge if you stack mana

it does not have dmg to mana before health

it does not have dmg immunity for 3 secs and it has less int than the mages

It also does not have this https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/suffixes/ABwJgLEA which is further enhanced by nest and idol altar. So going from health is too hurtful for them

I have from over 10k ward to only 5k health and 1k ward

for skeletal mages I at least have 4k health and 4k ward

[wise leaf]

Yes, that one is probably the best. Your third one is also pretty good. It's a corrupt on a 1x1 idol, not very common.

[eternal badger]

hey, is the spirit step from flay considered traversal?

[pallid geyser]

@wise leaf Do we do Damage over time as RIP blood warlock bro?

i am wondeirng if this is good

[wise leaf]

Nah, you barely have any dot damage. Your damage comes from marrow shards, which is a hit.

[pallid plume]

Okay time for a profane mages HC fresh start today.

Do people level as just like warriors + golem until they unlock mages currently ?

[pallid geyser]

Ty ty @wise leaf

[vestal frigate]

So currently playing Rip Blood Lich
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Mellisandei/character/Lich
And there are instances where I feel my damage is off
Example when I do echo bosses I can just melt through them within 10 seconds & sometimes I don't, another example is julra t4 where I just kill her pretty fast, but sometimes Not enough damage, so I have to press D & kill her ther
Is there something I'm missing about the build or am I doing something wrong?

[rocky flame]

the spell itself have Necrotic tag while the debuff it give have no necrotic so the question Does Inc Necrotic Damage affect the debuff damage?

[obtuse quest]

The debuff damage type tags always dependent in their base damage, as seen in literally every other ailment like bleed.
So yes, it does.

[winter kelp]

Hi. Can someone explain why there are two different instances of added damage effectiveness?

[trail trout]

Is there a zoomancer kind of build with maybe 1 button press guys?

[lost gale]

the written descriptions are often out of date on many many skills

some of them aren't exposed in game and simply datamined by the LET guy

[obtuse quest]

If you plan to beat abberoth, tough luck.

[trail trout]

Dang

[sly forge]

No, zoomancer is not a good idea for hard bosses

[trail trout]

Cant even farm normal aberroth?

[sly forge]

should focus on one minion type instead

[trail trout]

Hmm

How’s the meta nowaday then? I’ve tried Abo in the past

[obtuse quest]

Small army of one minion type? that can work.

You want all the minions? Nah

[trail trout]

Not a fan with his summoning

[obtuse quest]

Skeletal Mages are the rage this season

[sly forge]

blood wraiths triggered by abomination's sacrifice node (warning: sometimes abomination sacrifices itself which is a bug)

or you could try fire crit hungering soul skeletal mage

one of my big five boss killer

[trail trout]

Any particular guide for that?

sound fun lol

[sly forge]

blood wraith or skeletal mage?

[trail trout]

The mage

I dont like abo

With his funky AI and bug

[lost gale]

skelly mages u gotta stack mana which is annoying to gear for imo

far more annoying than blood wraiths are to play

[trail trout]

I know there’s some catch lol

Could you guy provide some guide for both

I’ll check them out while leveling her

[sly forge]

I remember zeckar has the gear for the crit HS mage

budget gear for online

[wise leaf]

Make sure bone curse + aura of decay are always toggled on and that the boss is inside of them. Otherwise u should be good

[sly forge]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/mvsh20im#1

@trail trout here is the budget gear for crit

I use way different gear offline for maximal bossing dmg (and its uberroth kill time is even faster than abom)

which I do not recommend when playing online

[trail trout]

Gotcha

Seem resonable to me

Let’s try this out

[sly forge]

with this gear it's still S tier but I'm not sure if it is as good as abom

@trail trout you would like to have corrupted idols with bees per second affix

because HS's damage scales with the number of minions you have

[trail trout]

Ohhh

I see

Was wondering what with the bees

Lol

[sly forge]

average clearing but insane bossing

[trail trout]

Already have my autobomber VK for mono blasting

Im just looking for something else

So its ok

[sly forge]

the other is blood wraith, you can find the guy in the 1st ladder position

but I don't like that setup

I use cleaver and t-rex like abomination

and endurance stacking

for me, my aspirational gear for crit HS mage is the blight staff (which unfortunately is a weaver's item), and the primodial nest relic and at least lp 3 affix legendaries to stack mana, one prefix and suffixes

which I made offline

one of my top five boss killer with abom, mana flay, cold flay, time rot ES

sadly bear cannot achieve the same uberroth killing time as them anymore

[ionic ocean]

half of the warlocks spells feel like a joke

ghostflame..what is that for? 0 dmg, 0 utility...likw wtf?

[sly forge]

half of them are uberroth killer, so perfect balance

[ionic ocean]

yea but Iam not interested in meta shit

I want to play something fun but this is not even scaling

I have dmg over time on every item it my ghostflame does 5k per tick 😄

really feels like a joke

[lost gale]

I haven't tested this myself but it's claimed that ghostflame can be pretty good #💀┃acolyte message

very tanky lawnmower

not a bossing build

[ionic ocean]

yea..not doing all of that.. just to make skill work.

[lost gale]

me neither

I doubt it's as good as psuve insists tbh, but s/he's oh so insistent

[obtuse quest]

It's decent.

Warlock has no truly bad skills.

Well, maybe soul feast.

Everything else is good

[obtuse quest]

What else is bad in warlock to you?

If you say anything but soul feast I'll laugh

[lost gale]

soul feast is a decent low corruption speed farmer

[ionic ocean]

I wanted to play ignite stacker

[lost gale]

huge targeting range

[ionic ocean]

got like 800 ignite dmg, 600 ignite chance, but its still bad

[vestal frigate]

Yeah I do & still sometime the damage feels off :<

[obtuse quest]

Chaos Bolt.

Fissure into Chaos Bolt would do it.

(And honestly you might as well slap Witchfire into it)

[wise leaf]

Hmm yeah sometimes the initial damage reduction stage can take longer, its noticable on regular abby for me. Not sure why.

[rocky flame]

So, this node gives the skill +1 DMG per Int but in the skill description it said 150% effective

is it actually +1.5 DMG per 1 INT ?

[ionic ocean]

no, its bad

thats like

300 corruption max

for me, warlock has issue with too many debuff types and dmg types. Its quite hard to navigate and scale

[obtuse quest]

You're not meant to use most of them at the same time.

[austere granite]

left = node skill, right = base dmg skill

[sonic wind]

Death seal is really just a low uptime defensive tool now right? I dont see much need to run it aside from the necrotic shred from death waves on evade being nice.

I can already afk facetank ubberoth without it

[old hull]

For the most part, yeah, it's kinda flame-ward-ish now

[sonic wind]

I guess with giga cdr it could be decent or if you are running self damned setup to scale the death waves

But yeah the waves feel really zdps lol. No cast speed scaling kills them so hard compared to other things.

I honestly would run it still if I could still take aod off bar after enabling

just for the passive shred

I'm a bit at a loss as to what to do with my last spec slot on a coal lich. Aod reaper drain life rip blood rn. I need something I can spec that doesnt need to go on my bar because I need to use transplant for movement. Transplant spec does basically nothing for me.

Have marrow shards for rip blood procs rn but its basically only like 10% of my total damage

Only thing marrow shards does it seems is make it so I can run omen's veil without dropping to 2 fps.

[old hull]

Yeah, due to nerfs they already weren't great dps back when it had much higher uptime

[sonic wind]

Yeah I remember old school lich setups could rely on the waves to clear but back then lich had the reverse problem of no useful single target skills.

apart from marrow shards lol

[old hull]

Yeah lol

[sonic wind]

You have any suggestions for a good 5th skill to spec?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4aNwK7 This is where I'm at rn. Some obvious upgrades left to do for chest and idols but the corrupt and blessing are being jerks.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (8) / Lich (63) / Warlock (19)

General:

▸ Health: 2,812, Regen: 26.82/s
▸ Mana: 478.99, Regen: 20.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 195/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 45 Dex / 277 Int / 38 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 54% / 59% / 108% / 96% / 208% / 148%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 618
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1943)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,532)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 195%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Marrow Shards / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood / Drain Life

[obtuse quest]

I'm surprised you didn't go for AoD armour shred.

But otherwise no, there's literally nothing important for your 5th slot.

[sonic wind]

already have like 100 stacks of shred all the time so didn't really care for that

was running it before

[sick belfry]

you cap shred at like 500 right

for nonphys

[sonic wind]

it's like 80-100 for both

[sick belfry]

huh, I was overestimating it a lot 😄

[sonic wind]

phys is maybe 120ish I guess

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[sly forge]

hmm

[humble crater]

Which Acolyte build is best for clear speed + pushing corruption?

[sly forge]

for me I would try more lp items and stack mana too

because 3% more dmg per 10 current mana

[sonic wind]

Yeah gotta fix resists and crit avoid and then I will start stacking mana

[rocky flame]

I know Acolyte is wierd but didn't expect to be this weird

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/shattered-omens/latest/softcore-1p/corruption/acolyte

[bleak glacier]

how is there a level 83 lich at 2.1k corruption

[lost gale]

no idea

huh between rip blood builds and mana flay builds marrow shards is the most specialised acolyte skill in the top corruption pushing stakes

wouldn't have seen that coming in 1.2

[quiet seal]

So close to getting this to work, but affixes are at a premium, not even corrupted any of this gear yet

[noble flame]

Ooh, is that a Skeleton Mage Oblation build?

[quiet seal]

Yeah, I am really hoping it's AoE clear will make Omen's Veil a lot smoother on necromancer, plus I think the single target is pretty decent. Be advised this is using a gear swap to get out Liches set though. My final testing would be going all out and respecializing dread shade skill after buffing into AoD cold.

My gear is pretty bad, but this is me atm: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeYJ9kDm

I think you replace the belt with 4 LP Chains of Uleros or something similar, gloves are tricky because you need so many affixes to balance defence and offence, so Ravens is very hard to fit in imo. Relic is a similar story, but this is the main idea at least.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (75) / Lich (7) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,952, Regen: 22.61/s
▸ Mana: 1,471.88, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 306%, Regen: 78/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 18 Dex / 102 Int / 18 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 149% / 84% / 78% / 81% / 161% / 91%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 805
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (86)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,666)
▸ Block Chance: 1%, Mitigation: 4% (23)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Infernal Shade / Dread Shade

[quiet seal]

Armor pops up to 55% with shade aura, so not too bad defensively, but I'm only 67% reduced dmg from crit, so I feel it's going to be a bit rippy. I've been gear swapping quite a bit so on my last check I was short on 200% minion crit chance, but I hope that will come with a better altar and idols.

[toxic night]

Anyone help a newbie ?

[obtuse quest]

The short answer: Find a non-DoT warlock build.

[vocal yoke]

how much better/faster is a lich in speedclearing monos at 1k corr than warlock? finally have enough money to respec

[lost gale]

that's too vague, what kind of warlock & what kind of lich?

[vocal yoke]

flamewhip warlock vs harvest flay lich

[lost gale]

idk tbh, unless your gear is incredible I think harvest lich does less single target and it's not like it has giga AOE. Probably a bit faster because flay adds quite a bit of mobility

[pearl snow]

You cant convince me Flame Whip even with the whole rip blood marrow shards is a speed farmer

For Monos

[lost gale]

yeah absolutely not, but harvest doesn't seem like one either

it's also basically single target but shorter range and the fissure can at least whip stuff while you run

[vocal yoke]

this is what im doing for monos - only starting the climb at 134 - but feels kinda fast

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVaPYlxd

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (32) / Warlock (53)

General:

▸ Health: 2,067, Regen: 23.88/s
▸ Mana: 280.47, Regen: 15.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 149%, Regen: 204/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 9 Dex / 49 Int / 0 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 155% / 96% / 56% / 0% / 36% / 358% / 24%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 413
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (151)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (624)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Transplant / Bone Curse / Chaos Bolts / Harvest

[vocal yoke]

finally got enough money to spec into lich so debating it

[old hull]

Whips look cute tho

[pearl snow]

Big true

[wheat atlas]

Which lich build should I make? Harvest Flay, Mana Flay, or Rip Blood?

To me Harvest Flay looks maybe the most fun but the other two maybe scale harder?

[tough orbit]

hi guys, anyone have a planner for crit HS mage build to follow?

[formal crow]

Hello guys, planning on playing an arcolitw ethis season. What do you think has more endgame potential fire minions or golem build? or is it similar tanky/dps wise?

[noble flame]

Does consuming a minion with Marrow Shards count as killing the minion for Blood Reverie?

[pearl snow]

you can play golems as fire so thats cool. Also both are going to roughly be similar unless by golem you mean Abom?
No Aco build is truly tanky, but you can invest a lot in endgame to get decent defensives otherwise we are usualy squishy

[pearl snow]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/s05ubv0i#1

[tough orbit]

Thank you! ❤️

[dense otter]

hey can anyone test something for me real quick?

[dawn plinth]

is this item bugged lol, it doesnt give me any attributes and weirdly when I take it off it gives me the +8 but only when I have no chest equipped

and yeah I have like 11 items equipped corrupted

[pearl snow]

What do you mean you get +8 when you take it off

[dawn plinth]

ill show you one sec, the pic above is my stats with the chest on

me without a chest

[pearl snow]

wtf it is giving you -8

id equip and f8 the bug

unluck

[dawn plinth]

yeah thats a sick corrupt

unfortunate

[pearl snow]

genuinely sadge

[dawn plinth]

I closed the game and now it gives me the +8

lol

[pearl snow]

nice

[muted mist]

I think I saw something about the all attributes corruption paying attention to your inventory instead of equipped items? If it continues to be weird that's something to check anyway

[brisk relic]

Is anyone who plays Flay Lich willing to DM me?

[calm dome]

Are auto sacrifice builds just too mana hungry? I'm thinking of trying it with max skeletons and 100% revive just to keep the engine going

[noble flame]

You kinda have to unless you're just doing Blood Wraiths, which don't need as much sacrificing.

I'd been having a bit more success with Infernal Shades instead of Sacrifice, but it requires using the set gloves

[sly forge]

zombie sacrifice without blood wraith spec is fine

no mana issue for me

[noble flame]

What are you using to get the costs down?

[sly forge]

ladle, foot of the mountain and no blood wraith spec

[calm dome]

is this with skeletons helping with mana or no skeletons

[sly forge]

skeletons give you mana on death

and I also invested a lot of cast speed and summoned max skeletons at a time

[calm dome]

ok I just have to accept I have to use skeletons for mana

[old hull]

Well maybe not real quick now
but maybe, what do you need?

[dense otter]

was wondering if the node in reaper form to change tag to poison replaces the necrotic tag or just adds poison tag

Edit: nvm lol

[dawn plinth]

finished playing this season corrupted my 16int red rings and both bricked, kinda poetic ending

[sly forge]

nice build here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMTe6JDa8v4

it would be much better if marrow shard had a necrotic animation

btw

why do soul feast have so little multiplier

that skill looks like a joke

[calm dome]

I saw this the other day and plan to respec to it with my own modifications

I was thinking of skipping out on crit and scale it as an ailment build

[muted mist]

Blood Specter Uber viable? Reasonable kill time with reasonable levels of gear?

[sly forge]

I think yes

not sure about kill time online tbh (but I would say about sub 2 min if you have the good affixes on helmet and chest)

I remember some guy in this discord almost killed uber with it online

[pallid geyser]

RIP blood warlock hard core - is the cast speed or crit more important on this idol?

[pallid plume]

Okay think im giving zoo another go. Profane mages is good but eventually the playstyle of summoning + chaos bolt became annoying.

Currently zoo is just fire aura of decay with lots of ignites or int stacker with lichs scorn right ?

[lucid olive]

what Uniques are worth for me to buy for Summoner builds mostly?

[dusk path]

Hi, which Acolyte Build is the easiest to gear and kill uber aberroth?

[obtuse quest]

t-rex has some use I guess?

[lucid olive]

Apart from him nothing ...that useful?

[obtuse quest]

Most of these pieces are specific.
There's like 3 generic things in this list, and only one is minion focused.

One's a defensive (Architect) and one's a set hyper booster (Whatever the ring is)

[lost gale]

I don't think so but marrow hunger should work on indirect casts iirc

[lost gale]

abom probably, maybe blood specters

blood specters build more vit which with dread shade turns into very easy survivability via armor

but abom is just really low gear requirements generally, tons of damage

I guess abom does need CDR idols to be at its best takes some farming

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/m1rm30qm#4 anyway here's a good budget abom setup

there's a starting gear set, endgame (mostly T7 1lp slams) and aspirational

[sly forge]

Crit HS mage also

Very expensive gear btw

But single target is even better than abom

[lost gale]

He asked for easy to gear options lol

I don't regard any mana stacker as easy to build, if you're CoF idols are a pain to get, if you're MG they're expensive even if the build is very strong on 1lp t7 slams

[lucid olive]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzkVzep also i am trying to run this build but can anyone tell me best.... Weaver tree to use for general necromancer ?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 4,145, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 767.77, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 121%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 14 Dex / 37 Int / 14 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 46% / 70% / 81% / 36% / 190% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 1,243
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,242)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Volatile Zombie

[sly forge]

Well the same can be said to mana flay (and aura paladin this season) but it became a meta

[spring turret]

which of the rip blood builds is smoother/easier to play? the lich or warlock? im just about to start farming the items for either of them and i see lich is said to be more powerful? I was initially going to do the warlock one because a mate told me its braindead in echoes which is how i enjoy these games (warpath VK was my goat when i last played on release)

[sly forge]

So people are definitely going to try if it works

[lost gale]

If you move around too much the spirits that give you flat damage from fissure mostly miss you which is the main bit of clunk in the warlock build.

Lich appears to do more damage and have better survivability too but reaper form is the main bit of clunk you have to deal with, stopping to loot stuff if you're unsure about what you do and don't want is gonna make u drop reaper form and lose lots of damage and a second health bar

I like warlock better because reaper form and fast draining life annoys me

[spring turret]

im often not paying too much attention going through the maps so it sounds i might find reaper form management a little frustrating if im not locked in

theyre both good builds tho?

[lost gale]

Yes. Lich definitely has the edge if geared and played well but warlock seems more than fine

[lost gale]

It's fine if you keep killing stuff but if you have to backtrack much or do any inventory management It's annoying

[spring turret]

the reaper form looks pretty slick like i want to try them both but ill be way too broke haha, ill try the warlock one first i think. i wouldn't be looking to push high corruption just like the 300ish and want to go kill all the bosses (probs not uber abberoth)

thanks man

[lost gale]

ok, the cast speed while cursed idols are such an enormous DPS boost for both builds so be sure to look out for them

rolls close to 33% matter a lot

I don't think many builds get as much out of their idols as those builds do

[pallid geyser]

For rip blood is the cast speed or the crit more important

On this idol

[lost gale]

cast speed I think

if you cast twice as fast you do more than twice as much damage because of Rip Blood's Arcane Absorption

[pallid geyser]

Good point

[sick belfry]

what do you guys think about madness build on manaflay?

[obtuse quest]

How much defense do you want to lose?

[sick belfry]

swapping to woven flesh and not running any ward, so probably won't have that much of a dent

although on that note, is the semi low-life + ward build good?

i've never managed to make it work

[lost gale]

What do you mean by semi low-life?

[obtuse quest]

Yeah you're either low-life or you're not.
Corrupted form counts as a low-life setup.

[sick belfry]

I mean taking the missing-hp to ward nodes

[obtuse quest]

That's low life.

[sick belfry]

but still basically maintaining half hp since you keep leeching

[obtuse quest]

The moment you take them you're considered a low-life build.

[sick belfry]

well, lemme rephrase then

[obtuse quest]

So corrupted form.

[sick belfry]

yes

[obtuse quest]

Yes, it's the default setup for Lich builds.

[sick belfry]

I never seem to be able to get that much stable ward

and in fights they just go to 0

do I need something else other than that node at the end of the passive tree

[obtuse quest]

You took the node right after corrupted form, right?

[sick belfry]

the delayed damage node? yes

er wait no, it was the dot one was it

but yes

[obtuse quest]

Huh no, the dot damage ignores ward one

[sick belfry]

yeah, got 5/5 there

[obtuse quest]

The only other thing I can think of is "This is why we keep Int for ward retention"

[sick belfry]

yeah I didn't specifically stack int before

only 60ish

122% ward retention only 💀

is it worth especially stacking int for the ward?

[tacit plinth]

You stack int because not only gives damage its also give flat mana so damage,madness is great if you wanna lower your uber times for normal content not really ,mana flay already hits hard enough without it

[pallid geyser]

is this good for any build?

[sharp glen]

why is my mana flay lich pushing uberroth around?

[sick belfry]

fear

do you have the top right node

[sharp glen]

which one

[sick belfry]

top right node on chaos bolt

[sly forge]

@lost gale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JorKvECNw9E

another version but uses marrow shard instead of aod in sacrifice lich

for some reason, aod with ladle gives more dmg for me

using marrow shard, you are required to use horn of the bone wisp to find all the multiplier nodes

[lost gale]

looks cool, but I'm surprised they can sustain mana with bees and corpse worms diluting their mana recovery from skeletons

I'd expect aod and ladle to give more damage too

oh and zombies aren't triggering sacrifice either, just using pact severance

[sly forge]

yes

I experimented both case

marrow shard's dmg is not even close

[lost gale]

wow that marrow shards tree is much stronger than I thought

[sly forge]

yeah but still inferior to aod

[lost gale]

afaict sacrifice at best does like 31% as much damage as mshards

[sly forge]

hmm but for a marrow shard build, isn't it better with rip blood lich?

[lost gale]

quite possible

[sly forge]

because I don't believe a marrow shard zombie build can perform better than sacrifice

1. need ash wake boots to ensure zombie revival but you will lose 200+ physical pen. And a marrow shard with horn and w/o 200+ pen is way inferior than sacrifice with 200+ pen with ladle from my experiment

2. marrow shard frequency will not be as rip blood (which has insane cast speed)

[lost gale]

I'm not sure about that

anyone know how marrow shard's consume a minion for double damage chooses the minion?

[sick belfry]

come to think of it, this node is kinda not important for manaflay at all is it

we don't actually care about flay's own damage right

[lost gale]

that still impacts the damage from the triggered spell which is relevant to clearing isn't it?

how does doom brand's degen actually work?

does it just apply the usual dread shade degen to minions?

what if you use lone watcher and remove that degen?

[sick belfry]

wouldn't the triggered spell use its own element?

[lost gale]

I mean Flay's on-death proc spell

[sick belfry]

ah that one

[lost gale]

which still benefits from your mana stacking

[sick belfry]

wasn't its damage irrelevant

[lost gale]

on bosses etc sure but it adds some AOE when clearing doesn't it?

[sick belfry]

don't chaos bolts already explode in AoE

[lost gale]

CB aoe is tiny

[sick belfry]

lemme try respeccing it and see how much it changes the clear

[lost gale]

I don't think it's essential but are there better things to spend points on? idk

[sick belfry]

I really wish we had a proper dps dummy

the spectral flay on bosses look juicy

it should be like, 10% more damage against bosses per point?

[brazen wigeon]

any1 tried skeleton reflect?

[lost gale]

that isn't a real thing

[brazen wigeon]

what do you mean

[pearl snow]

Reflect damage isnt capable of much at all afaik

[lost gale]

there's a tiny amount of flat reflect for minions on bone curse, completely useless cannot be scaled

there's reflect% on a body armor affix I think, enemies just don't deal enough damage relative to their hp for reflecting 1 or even 10x the damage they deal back to themselves to matter

let's say you had 12 skeletons with the maximum possible reflect percentage and they tanked emperor of corpses' slam wave attack the boss isn't going to feel it

[wintry flame]

Used to be a long time ago because they reflected a disproportionate amount of damage but I think all the % reflect values got nerfed for skeles and I mean the game has just ballooned most enemy defense now. It might be worthwhile potentially with idols idk how much % damage reflected you can get now.

[weak atlas]

Does Flay’s Dash Trigger Julra?

Flay is tagged as movement and Julra’s ring is triggered in movement skill (triples stats)

[brazen wigeon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owLmvKep smth liek dis

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (82) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,066, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 363.51, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 94%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 43 Dex / 47 Int / 29 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 72% / 52% / 20% / 38% / 106% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 537
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (731)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade / Hungering Souls

[wintry flame]

I’d go reliquary over tyrants

[brazen wigeon]

hm fair point

[wintry flame]

I don’t get your skeleton tree.

[brazen wigeon]

me neither

as many as possible

[wintry flame]

And I also don’t know what if anything at all scales the reflected damage. I believe it’s untyped but idk how it interacts with things like dread shade and such.

Yeah but rogues and archers seem weird

[brazen wigeon]

why weird

[wintry flame]

I’d likely go melee or ranged on everything, not split. If you went warriors you don’t want bone armor or anything that adds defensive layers to your skeletons. That would hurt them in terms of damage

[brazen wigeon]

oh right I removed skeletons right xD

[wintry flame]

Might not even be worth since minions get a bunch of DR and such now which probably nerfs the reflect damage

[brazen wigeon]

tho they also cast armour on you as well

[wintry flame]

But tbh idk no one has tested this stuff or played it in forever

[brazen wigeon]

it's rjust really fast draft

[wintry flame]

Yeah I just mean if they cast it on themselves a lot you’re just reducing the reflected damage because they are gaining DR

[weak atlas]

Does Flay’s Dash Trigger Julra?

Flay is tagged as movement and Julra’s ring is triggered in movement skill (triples stats)

[obtuse quest]

Yes unless you remove the melee part.

(That also means it's hard for you to control the uptime)

[obtuse quest]

Nothing interacts with reflect unless specified.

See: Thicket builds

[weak atlas]

True but you’re moving from enemy to enemy but also it does have plus spell damage so it does help flag anyways right

[obtuse quest]

It works sure, but is it better than other ring options?

[wintry flame]

Thicket is a bit of a different scenario. As the player entity and a minion entity differ

[weak atlas]

📈

[obtuse quest]

Well as in "Reflect doesn't interact with anything in the first place on players, why would it be different on minions"

[wintry flame]

I’m not saying it’s not likely it’s the same I’m just saying it hasn’t been properly tested and I wouldn’t trust what EHG says lmao

[obtuse quest]

True.

[wintry flame]

Just a lot of unknowns especially with minion inherent stats and access to generic buffs other classes dont really have.

[old hull]

You can get like >200% damage reflected for skeletons and skelemages fairly easily, which of course gets hurt by all minions taking half damage, but does scale with number of minions

[wintry flame]

Yeah it can be quite a bit. Haven’t seen the build in forever so idk the performance nowadays

[old hull]

Probably just directly worse than scaling the damage of those minions lol

[wintry flame]

It’s definitely more of a pain

[brazen wigeon]

how you get more reflect on skeletons

[old hull]

Idols, reliquary nest, altar with inc prefixes

[noble flame]

I've been running a bleed-focused version myself and can confirm it's quite solid. I've gotten Uber down to the last phase on my budget SAF setup. I'm terrible at the actual fight though.

Bones of the Ancestral Pack worked pretty well on my last attempt: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A21Y15bD
I've also used the Tyrant Skull + Face combo a fair bit too. I also gotta fix the phys res on the bones setup.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (58) / Lich (29)

General:

▸ Health: 2,311, Regen: 352.54/s
▸ Mana: 198.48, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 248%, Regen: 205/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 36 Dex / 85 Int / 20 Att / 113 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 97% / 88% / 76% / 76% / 297% / 204%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 112%, Threshold: 581
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2068)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,222)
▸ Block Chance: 10%, Mitigation: 26% (468)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 126%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Assemble Abomination / Sacrifice / Dread Shade

[brazen wigeon]

why not this? wouldn't sacrifice do more damage?

[lost gale]

That build is using minion dot damage not scaling sacrifice's damage

[brazen wigeon]

ah

where is the bleed comming from...

ah chest piece

my bad

[noble flame]

Blood Wraiths mostly

[lost gale]

Blood specters deal bleed by default, aura of decay adds more and chest piece does too

There's some shared bleed in the lich tree, idk if he takes it

[noble flame]

Yeah, I take the Lich stuff. I like that health regen per vit node too

The Reaper passive is also really nice

[jagged cobalt]

For low life setups utilizing ward/s per missing life, how important is it to build high life? Is it better than Ward/s affixes?

[obtuse quest]

More health=more missing health=more ward per missing health per second.

[lost gale]

if you think of that shared bleed chance as a proportion of your specter's total bleed chance it's probably equivalent to a decent more multi per point

better than the conditional 1-2% more per point that show up in some trees

[jagged cobalt]

Right, but how does everything shake out when compared to other defensive suffixes like ward/s, threshold, etc?

[brazen wigeon]

I want to use death's embrace badly, the ncerotic damage and penetration will not be converted to physical/cold with harvest conversion node right?

[obtuse quest]

When comparing to ward/s, it's the same answer as when you ask "More health or endurance threshold?"

[wintry flame]

Just gonna depend on the values of each. Health is usually more ideal, but maybe you want more stable EHP or even more sustain so then ward decay threshold or ward per second might be higher values and worth more.

[jagged cobalt]

I see, thanks!

[weak atlas]

Which is better.. of 34 increased damage leeched as health with 21 leech rate versus 24/36.. (mana flay build)

[sly forge]

bones is for sustain?

[noble flame]

Yep. Was testing it out as an alternative defensive option. It also juices up the Abomination more too since it's the highest level.

[sly forge]

ah ok

i don't think abomination would deal good dmg

I checked the dps thing

blood wraiths deals 80% of the dmg

abomination only deals 10%

for me I would run cleaver and focus on armor like abomination version

[noble flame]

It's definitely not doing much. I might try and find a different primordial entirely. Tyrant Skull was nice too, but I think Spectres tend to replace too much to really benefit

[sly forge]

and also low life

tyrant skull needs higher lp affixes

because you want endurance for more wraith health and dmg

for me I would run cleaver, tyrant and low life

[noble flame]

Cleaver doesn't really offer anything to the build. Already hitting 70% or better mitigation with Dread Shade.

[sly forge]

try to have the experiment affix of ward on gloves

[sly forge]

it adds defense

by giving you insane armor

[noble flame]

Right, but I already have insane armor from stacking vitality and using Dread Shade

[sly forge]

hmm

for cleaver

you have up to 24 additional ints

9 from cleaver

ah wait forgot

you dont use horns shield

[lost gale]

btw I think infernal shade might be better than marrow shards as a second triggered spell

[noble flame]

Infernal Shade is great. Was testing that out a bit on the weekend. Had dropped Sacrifice

[lost gale]

ghost maker or something else?

[sly forge]

@noble flame unfortunately there seems to be no better choice than cleaver tbh

for me I will lose 25 int if I dont use cleaver

[noble flame]

I actually was liking Spine of Malatros for all the skill points. I still haven't really narrowed the build down. The zombie shade stuff feels really nice

[lost gale]

I was thinking that with the set gloves solving mana you don't necessarily need to spec skeletons

[sly forge]

wait this build does not even many +x skills

[noble flame]

Where you getting the strength from?

[sly forge]

9 from cleaver and 16 from horns shield

[lost gale]

that shield that adds +16 strength and +50% inc mana cost

[noble flame]

and just skipping all of the Int passives for other things?

[lost gale]

that's what you usually do with cleaver afaict

get more vit

[sly forge]

yes

like vitality

bleed chance and duration

[lost gale]

mantle of the pale ox gets extra value with cleaver too

[sly forge]

no

onos tull

no ox here

[noble flame]

its a bleed build, so I'm not sure I'll trade in Doublet

[sly forge]

25 int at most

[lost gale]

oh bleed specters

my bad

I was thinking abom for some reason

[sly forge]

@noble flame you see the six final nodes of the general necro passive?

veins of power?

[noble flame]

yep, I use those on some variations of the build

[sly forge]

without int I could spend my points on them

that's why cleaver is more convinent for me

[lost gale]

cleaver without T-rex feels odd

I know bleed specters don't benefit from the flat much

[wintry flame]

What are people going instead of T-Rex on spectres?

[lost gale]

nest apparently

[noble flame]

I've been having some success with Bones of the Pack... but what I really want is to set up a 2H Axe with T8 Minion DoT

[wintry flame]

Oh for more vitality? Confused how capping block, getting a separate multi and hp multi, with additional pen isn’t better?

[lost gale]

the guy doing 5k corruption with blood specters is on T8 helmet +161% Chance to apply Bleed on Hit
+161% Chance to apply Bleed on Hit with Minion Skills

[lost gale]

same, but I guess it's the issue with temporary buffs and temporary minions

[formal crow]

hi guys, could anyone tell me why i cant summon 3 golems with 2x hollow finger and aarons will?

[wintry flame]

Oh for corruption pushing, bleh do whatever probably best to just ignore defenses entirely then

If people really wanted to do any abuse for corruption pushing they could just abuse perma taunt and use bone prison or golem

[jagged cobalt]

Is there really no buff icon for Rip Blood's Arcane Absorption?

[wintry flame]

Then just build straight damage

[weak atlas]

I have some items w t6-t7 mana I’d want to love to move to my mana flay items.. but they have to be exalted right?

So I need exalted items w the t6/t7 i want to slam them into the unique lp1 i want?

Or does it not have to be exalted

[lost gale]

what non-exalted items do you have with T6-7 mana on them?

[weak atlas]

Sec..

[lost gale]

they're exalted

[noble flame]

gotta have all the prefix and suffix slots filled, at least t1

Both items are missing one affix slot

[weak atlas]

Gotcha.. need 4 okay in the bottom half part.

I guess need to find new v ones:)

Does this mean I can turn my item from attunement to intel on a corrupted item or corrupted doesn’t count for this echo?

Or how does oerdens work

[old hull]

The craft costs 1 FP, so it doesn't work on legendaries. That said, you also cannot modify corrupted items and cannot have the same affix on an item more than once.

[weak atlas]

great intel tyvm for guidance 📈 🙏

And if I can’t choose to put a t6 into a chest of mine via just like regular forge affix adding cause it can be any tier that appears righr?

Like I can’t shatter an item that has a t6 mana and add that vis forge on chest since it could come as any tier?

[pearl snow]

You are probably short a skeleton for 3 golems

[pearl snow]

What? T6/7 are drop only you can only reroll or shuffle those exalted tiers via Runes

[weak atlas]

Tyvm sorry you’re right

[pearl snow]

Dont apologize I just didnt understand what I was reading lol

[weak atlas]

Heh forgot we can’t craft t6+:)

[weak atlas]

Is this exalted?

[lost gale]

any item that drops with a T6-7 affix is exalted, the color of its name is different because of the experimental prefix

[weak atlas]

Tyvm!

I competed the lvl 3 sanctum what must I do for it to open the cache?

[lost gale]

go back to the future

[weak atlas]

Heh that was ez 🙂 ty

And I can only use it once per run right?

[old hull]

Right

[jagged cobalt]

I assume "Cannot leech" effects also stop Scornful Blood from working?

[old hull]

Right

[noble flame]

How does Flickering Shadows (reduces duration to 2) interact with Soulfire (unlimited)?

[lost gale]

pretty sure it gets dropped to 2

[jagged cobalt]

So in order to maximize Flay's Occult Offerings with Corrupted form, I need 8k max health? Is that a realistic amount? It sounds.. high. But Corrupted Form also gives a lot of life so..

[coral fjord]

I'm trying out Phys Lich. Are you guys taking 75% extra Phys Res to account from the loss from the curse? Am I aiming for 150%?

[lost gale]

you need 75 plus 1 per intelligence

[weak atlas]

If I have aura of decay and wear pearls of swine with acid skin, does that mean I have two curses on me? Or no

[lost gale]

aura of decay isn't a curse and pearls of swine adds the acid skin effect to bone curse

if you turn bone curse into an aura, it and acid skin will apply to you which is two curses

if you also add marked for death to bone curse in its skill tree it'll be 3 curses

[weak atlas]

Ah very nice tyvm!

[weak atlas]

Hi! Which is better for mana flay?

One has higher melee necrotic and has a melee necrotic affix (109 + 38 mn) other has high melee damage (128+90+).. so both have some pro con..

[jagged cobalt]

Any tips on sustaining Bone Curse aura with a Flay build?

[pearl snow]

Whats your issue with sustaining it? Mana drain?

You should have lots of mana on flay

[pearl snow]

Probably the one with Necrotic since that also buffs your dmg for spells not just melee dmg. But you can test on a target dummy easily

[jagged cobalt]

Yeah, mana just poofs when I turn it on. I don't really have any mana, not using Deadly Plot. It's just homebrew junk.

[pearl snow]

Oh, that would make more sense but yeah you’d basically need to aim for like I think it’s somewhere in the realm of 25 mana regen

[pallid plume]

Hey are skeleton rogues any good currently ?

There is some stuff with archer + rogue mixture that sounds interesting to play with but I also hear rogue AI is doing some jank currently

[pearl snow]

Yeah, there’s some issues with rogue currently but I believe that’s related to poison stuff

They were really good last season but this season they might just be bugged

[weak atlas]

Where is the dummy? I just look based on how it feels dmg wise or what’s my main indicator

[pearl snow]

Arena area. Right click an arena key to go to waypoint on map

[weak atlas]

Ah down there under the entrance? Gotcha ty

[pallid plume]

So if you just go like physical hit based its fine ?

Not sure if its a bug bug or just minion AI jank

[pearl snow]

Yeah

There is a boss dummy near the end too

Quite the variety

[pearl snow]

I think so at least from what I heard it was related to poison and that weapon that gives poison dmg via Jade Harvest

[jagged cobalt]

😨

Thanks, guess I have my work cut out for me

[pearl snow]

Yeah depending on your home brew + Bone Curse skill tree it can be expensive

[kind mist]

Anyone know if anything can stop Abom from blowing itself up with sacrifice?

[noble flame]

Cast your minions away from the Abomination. Any minion overlapping with the target can be hit by accident.

Skeleton Archers are a bit safer to use than warriors too. They'll hang back further instead of trying to run up to the group

[kind mist]

Kk what about if I have a chance to resummon skellies? will that jeapordize the abom too?

[noble flame]

If they ever get too close to the Abomination then yes

[kind mist]

hmm I'll take those points out then just in case. Thanks for the help

[coral fjord]

So if I'm dying to enemies at high corruption, it's because I was too smart. Gotcha!

JK, thanks for this though. I see a lot of builds with Phys Shred instead of Phys Res, I suppose you can switch depending if you wanna glass cannon, or have some survivability.

[meager nimbus]

Guys I wanna play lich flay, how would you lv up until u get the stuff? I’ve got a few of those items, besides the helmet from aberroth

[obtuse quest]

You would level with any usual leveling setup.

[nocturne viper]

any1 have a planner for blood spectres or a youtube video t watch

[noble flame]

I've got this: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXjXev9
It's been good for 650 corruption. There's a lot of room to change equips around based on preference. It's really just about stacking bleed and vitality.

If you don't have a minion poison immunity idol you can either go with Lone Watcher or Enemy of My Enemies for Dread Shade. Ignore the other corruptions, but the cleanse on evade is real nice.

Abomination can be specc'd however. It's really just there to tank and spawn Spectres. I kinda prefer using archers, but it is stronger to go Engorgement.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (57) / Lich (24)

General:

▸ Health: 2,745, Regen: 522.9/s
▸ Mana: 182.51, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 197%, Regen: 150/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 29 Dex / 95 Int / 22 Att / 107 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 96% / 96% / 126% / 96% / 223% / 188%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 186%, Threshold: 549
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1596)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,547)
▸ Block Chance: 88%, Mitigation: 45% (1,604)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

[weak atlas]

How would I approach slamming this? Can I slam one at a time from an exalted and add everything i want or what’s the best approach?

[obtuse quest]

LP takes all it's LP from one single exalted.

[pearl snow]

yeah with 4LP you just choose the perfect item and slam

[weak atlas]

Okay great tyvm! May have to make a special filter lol

[jovial aspen]

this is a cool drop, let us know what you end up with.
i dont think you can craft corrupted items onto those so keep that in mind

[rocky flame]

I don't exacty under stand the underline statement so Do it have to be "With Fire Spell" or "With Necrotic Spell" to be work? or just any Ignite on hit or Damned on hit?

[obtuse quest]

Any ignite that would apply to fire skills, including generic ones.

[pearl snow]

^

[obtuse quest]

Example: If an affix said "Ignite on poison void hit", that wouldn't work.

Wait

Horrible example.

[pearl snow]

LOL

[obtuse quest]

Thanks ruby set you brainrot

[pearl snow]

I have a really crazy lock idea that I need to verify

Big Bolt needs to work one day

[obtuse quest]

Oh to dream.

[pearl snow]

trust me I was DREAMING

[obtuse quest]

I don't know whether to ask you to keep cooking or ask you to get some meds

[sly forge]

@wintry flame @noble flame Interesting. I'm way stronger by switching from cleaver to scales of leminscate

for blood wraith

and I realized that in this build you can go for health regen instead of going low life

but you will need the experimental affix "armor mitigation apply to dot" for your blood roost

you can have sustain via the effigies node and one red ring and health regen

[sly forge]

@wintry flame yeah, scales pushed 35-36 sec offline to this

[rocky flame]

Is Profance veil still bugged?

it keep getting me back to start location

[obtuse quest]

That sounds like rubberbanding more than a usual bug

[rocky flame]

yes

how to fix that?

[obtuse quest]

You're on online, right?

[rocky flame]

yes

[obtuse quest]

Complain to your ISP, EHG servers, or whatever else in between that might be messing with your internet connection.

[rocky flame]

oh i'm playing on wifi

[pallid plume]

Hey seen a few necromancer do this thing and wondering if its any good.

You put some passives into life drain passive (lose 1% life and gain 1% missing as ward) and then the summon a reaver if your life reach low.

Based on the builds they either have a bit of regen so consistantly go above them below the summon range or use a potion to heal over it and drain.

But is this a real thing like the reaver actually does really good dmg or just a low life tech thing ?

[rocky flame]

my acolyte keep getting one-shot at only 100 corruption, How to fix that?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PaggW7

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 74

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (10) / Warlock (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,386, Regen: 16.36/s
▸ Mana: 113.37, Regen: 14.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 206%, Regen: 231/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 17 Dex / 43 Int / 9 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 183% / 128% / 84% / 143% / 62% / 260% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 277
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (68)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (720)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Soul Feast / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse

[obtuse quest]

Where in gods name is your crit avoid or crit reduction?
Ignivar does basically nothing for you

[rocky flame]

what is the best gear slot to get it?

[obtuse quest]

The funniest: See attached picture

Actual answer: You literally build around the fact that you'll need it from a few different pieces of gear, either reduced critical damage or critical avoid. Every build's slot for it is different.

[rocky flame]

okay I've got myself 94% reduced crit DMG taken and get my start ward to 3000

is it enough?

[obtuse quest]

For 100Corrupt? Probably.

[rocky flame]

do you have the rought number for 300 corruption?

[obtuse quest]

The answer that differs by build

But with that hp amount probably no.

[tacit plinth]

You are a ward build as long your ward is high your hp doesn't matter as much maybe try getting 1.5 to 2k some day

[rocky flame]

this is my first time building acolyte class and it's fool on me that I previously thought its defense will just naturally be fine just like Sentinel and Primalist lul

[obtuse quest]

You played the literal two classes that have defenses built into their passives.

[tacit plinth]

Armor its pretty good😅

[rocky flame]

Should I get stun avoidance too? I just see the Stun's math

and it said "current" ward

does it mean when I ge to low on ward then it much easier to get stun right?

[obtuse quest]

By default t player level 100, you only get stunned if you take a hit that does 12.5% of your hp+ current ward. You'll generally be dead very soon if a single hit can chunk that much health.

[tacit plinth]

Stun avoidance is the most useless stat ever dont worry about it does nothing

[rocky flame]

hmm, my ward in resting state is around 3200 but I feel like I get stunned too often so I think I lack the ward gen during fight

any suggestion on how to add Ward gen to my current build?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5Pagm96

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 77

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Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Lich (10) / Warlock (55)

General:

▸ Health: 1,331, Regen: 16.78/s
▸ Mana: 243.89, Regen: 12.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 246%, Regen: 201/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 14 Dex / 57 Int / 6 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 180% / 174% / 101% / 55% / 105% / 278% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 266
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,120)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Transplant / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse

[wintry flame]

You can just go low life and use marrow shards, transplant, or anything that causes you to lose life to summon off CD

[pallid plume]

Ahh so basically if im low life and transplant is summons then. And then I assume its fairly solid dps as it scales based on total level of minion skills

[humble crater]

How to farm gold fastest way?

[wintry flame]

yeah it's good damage mhm

[noble flame]

The top Necromancer had been using Scales and a T8 Bleed Chance helm. I've been thinking of just using a T8 2-handed Obsidian Axe, but getting the defenses needed to give up the off-hand is a challenge.

[sly forge]

nah

t-rex too good to consider other t8 things

that's more dmg and additional pen

I have plenty bleed chance from armor already

[weak atlas]

I have an axe with 2 lp. How would I slam the affixes I want into the second lp? Like the first one I’ll choose. Do I then do the dungeon again and throw slam second affix in or how does it work with the lp2?

[rocky flame]

hmm, my defense is fine now can tank some big hit but my dmg go to shit instead lol

[near torrent]

Is corrupted form "low life" flag still bugged?

[sonic wind]

No its rng

You run 1 dungeon, pick 1 affix, then the second affix is picked at random from the same item

[weak atlas]

On the second one? First I can choose?

[near torrent]

it's 1/3 to add the second one

[weak atlas]

Ahh

[near torrent]

You can always choose 1 guaranteed (as long as it's T2+)

[weak atlas]

Tyvm

Makes sense tyvm

[sonic wind]

so try for having 2 other good t5 affixes in addition to your one good t7

for 2lp

3lp you want to shoot for 2+ exalted mods

[near torrent]

e.g. does Dance with Death still not work as intended with it?

[pearl snow]

You gotta choose low life (exsang and health stacking) for ward gen OR remove it and go hybrid via any other chest that exists

[pearl snow]

Might need meds but I’ll see what happens. Big Bolt hit for like 50k lol. But I assume I need lich for this honestly and lots of generic dmg crap

[pearl snow]

Should be working. Ive seen people say only our character sheet doesnt update but the mechanic is working

[sly forge]

@noble flame for me I have 56+100+128+85+100=669 bleed chance

adding 85% bleed chance is negligible

compared to 34% more dmg by stacking endurance

but for online

maybe t8 bleed chance is better

[weak atlas]

For those that have a mana flay build .. how do I not cut through mana so damn fast? I’m at like 900’mana when in reaper and it eats through it in like 1-2 mobs

[sly forge]

because endurance needs high lp gear

@noble flame btw

it is insane how I got from 4k to 40k armor by just casting dread shade

[pearl snow]

Not sure which version you are but I do remember manually casting harvest gives mana back with Executioners on. Other than that maybe you need some mana regen?

[weak atlas]

I want to throw this into an lp2.. I’ll throw in the necrotic. I can’t use a rune or anything or an echo to chance the other stuff to be better without bricking the item?

[obtuse quest]

What affix LP crafting chooses is pure rng

Nothing influences it apart from what affix is on the item.

[noble flame]

You can also get a lot of dodge and convert that to endurance threshold using the Reaper passive and Foot of the Mountain. There's a lot of interesting defensive options just for stacking int and vit on Necromancer.

[weak atlas]

Ye:) just wondering if I could adjust anything 🙂 I guess not. I’ll see if I can find a better one otherwise it is what it is 🙂

[near torrent]

Meaning you want the t7 and t6 that are already there to be the legendary affixes added?

oops misread that as t6 and 7

[weak atlas]

I think I meant.. I’ll definitely throw in the necrotic as my chosen affix. Just wondering if
I could improve the other affixes before it randomally chooses from the remaining 3:)

[near torrent]

I see it's a 6 and 5

[sly forge]

yeah make sense too

[near torrent]

Well do you have the 2 most desired affixes at max level (in the game not just that exist there currently) on that item?

If not there's crafting you can do

[pearl snow]

Yeah 100% of the time go to at least T5 of desired affixes on an item

The main crafting niches only happen at double exalted affixes or specific +skill shuffling

[abstract summit]

👀

[near torrent]

If that shared necrotic damage is even just "only" the second best axe affix in the game you want on that legendary, you could even seal something and move the t6 to your most desired.

[weak atlas]

I was going to add the necrotic - are you saying don’t do it and just wait for a better item with better other affixes ? I could wait

[abstract summit]

ye dont slam t6 on a 2LP

[pearl snow]

Either
Upgrade attack speed and slam
Wait for a T7 item

[lost gale]

1k% minion health, decent res and like 120 int wasn't enough to keep (unspecialised) abom alive with a juiced infernal shade on it despite it healing basically >100% of its health each second via devour

[abstract summit]

tbh you also dont want to slam this yet until you reroll the 2% increased mana to 4

[near torrent]

If you're gonna slam something you want to make it as good as possible

[weak atlas]

Okay I’ll wait for t7:)

[weak atlas]

How do I do this? Tyvm

[abstract summit]

get some 1 affix legendaries, corrupt them to have a second affix, then feed them to the turtle woven echo

[lost gale]

if you actually scale your own damage a lot no minion can survive it I think

[near torrent]

What are you using right now, a 1lp Tithe with exalted shared added necrotic slammed?

[weak atlas]

Is there a video on this?

[weak atlas]

I have a few but using this atm

[near torrent]

If you're using just a unique right now and actually just playing the build already, I'd say upgrade and slam it and continuing farming more copies

[noble flame]

Bees can

[lost gale]

I can keep enough minions alive to keep the shades dealing damage but it rules out having a 'permanent' minion which can carry dread shade

just casting zombies seemed to give me the best uptime for dread shade

[lost gale]

I was finding that if I diluted my minion pool too much then not enough skellies die and mana gets awkward, otherwise bees sound really good

[noble flame]

I really like zombie shades. I'm still not sure what the optimal build is for it yet though, but it's nice.

[lost gale]

lich with 2x ghostmakers and WL helmet xD

[near torrent]

Gauntlet of Strife lets you destroy uniques/legendaries to reroll copies of that item with the same amount of legendary affixes/legendary potential

[lost gale]

solid 10x multi there

[weak atlas]

Need to find a video on the upgrading part.. never did it before

[near torrent]

You should probably find one talking about normal crafting exalts that don't relate to woven echos too, since you were wondering how to optimize that for a slam

Something that includes topics like what all the glyphs and runes do and ways you can use them e.g. rerolling affix values, rerolling implicits, havoc'ing a T7 onto an affix you want the most, sealing, set shards, etc

And then a separate one for making use of particular woven echos efficiently

[lucid olive]

Hello what is most broken build for Necromancer rn ?

[obtuse quest]

Abom.

[old hull]

Or technically speaking, might be golems. Because they freeze up and don't do anything.

[calm dome]

Does the Blood Eruption from Flay gets converted? I'm thinking of cooking with Cold Flay/Marrow Shards Lich using Bane of Winter

[lost gale]

I think so

I've never played a flay build tbh, but I remember seeing cold looking blood eruptions somewhere

and newer skills tend to have more comprehensive conversions

[old hull]

Yeah, for sure the pops were different colors in the original skill showcases

[calm dome]

For Plasma Fountain, is it every 2nd hit of flay or is it just every second use? Just wondering if the spectral flay nodes help with procing more blood eruptions

[sly forge]

@wintry flame @noble flame yeah, blood wraith with scale axe offline can be insane

[wintry quarry]

Anything worse about executioner's tithe flay but converted to cold?

[visual night]

why is offline important

[tacit plinth]

Because not every build can be good enough with online gear specially now that devs dont want people to have 3t7 gear ,example of this is forgeweapons ,deemed a not viable uber minion build that in theory could scale well but only in offline or like super min max online becomes a super uber killer build insane

[jagged cobalt]

Does the "Increased Poison Damage while Aura of Decay is active" change elements if Aura's element changes? I imagine no?

[pearl snow]

One of those nodes does change. If its the top middle left ones they say so in their tooltip that they change. But if you are talking Idols then no

[jagged cobalt]

Oh yeah Idols. Reminded myself to make sure to include that.. then forgot

Bummer, alright. Thanks!

[candid escarp]

I'm thinking of remaking my stupid exploding exploding exploding zombies build again this season, it was fun in season 2, and now some changes look really interesting...I had volatile zombie, rip blood, skeletal mage, dread shade, and chaos bolt as specs, I had the zombies geared to spew poison and leave skeletons behind when they pop, mage set up for a single death knight who could explode those skeletons for fun, and dread shade set to no drain single target to make the death knight ultra buff, 5th was chaos bolt because I could use it to pop zombies if I felt like it, but it didn't come up too much since my own personal damage was kinda low. I'm seeing death knights will now actually cast the specialized hungering souls, so that's seeming pretty tempting for revisiting the build, anyone who's played this/last season comment on how good or horrible an idea this is?

[pearl snow]

Yeah going all in on mana stacking with Vomit Zombies and HS Death Knights for DoT is working well

Specializing in DKs and doing on HS Hit Crit stuff is also really good at bossing

Zombies can autocast dread shade too

[candid escarp]

Sounds like a LOT has changed. I was perusing the legacy char and saw dread shade had been completely point refunded XD

[pearl snow]

Yeah a good bit has

[candid escarp]

Aside from all the mana, what stats should I look for?

[pearl snow]

Depends on if you do minion crit or doT

But its mainly mana lol

Generic scalers like Int

Minion dmg type you are going

I was doing Ash Wake too so i was all in on fire

[candid escarp]

Noted, I'll see what seems more appealing to me as I get her up.

[lost gale]

mana uber alles really, especially for vomit

[pearl snow]

Sir what did you just say

Lol

[mossy vale]

why does splinter nova say its affected by all modifiers off marrow shards, but speccing into bone knives the splinter nova still pierces

[lost gale]

they changed bone splinters-like skills to just be an AOE rather than a spread of projectiles in the patch when they added it to marrow shards so it's just a radius that damages everything within it.

pierce is a property that applies to projectiles not to AOEs

but the range mods affect its radius. It doesn't seem to damage minions if you spec mshards to do that so apparently not all modifiers are preserved

[mossy vale]

ok

[muted mist]

Does that node add the area tag? seems like it should

[lost gale]

not sure, mshards kind of has area by default

the projectile has width and pierces

looks like it does but idk whether that plays nicely with everything that relates to area skills or not given that it's a subskill

[candid escarp]

So I haven't played since season 2, how has Blood Rip changed? The tool tip doesn't seem to indicate any difference but it clearly functions differently in targeting.

[old hull]

Basically it hits in a line area now instead of being a single target hit skill, otherwise it's mostly the same aside from changes necessary to accomodate that mechanical change

[wintry quarry]

Trying to see how far I can push a lich that does cold and necrotic damage

Aura of Decay lets you drop a deu-I mean, a bomb when you evade and Death Seal has something similar when you evade or reap

I could be on to something here

[high tangle]

can anyone explain me why this afix not worked correct?
I got 8 wraith but I didnt received 620% more damage for infernal shade

[old hull]

What exactly is going wrong? It only applies against bosses and rares, and also it'll never get that high either, 8 wraiths with a perfectly rolled ghost maker only gives 528% more damage

[high tangle]

Infernal shade got COMBASTION node, but this 528% more dose not work on his damage

[old hull]

Oh, the explosion, I see what you mean. The multiplier from ghost maker only applies to infernal shade's direct damage, not any subskills (like the combustion explosion) nor ailments it applies.

[high tangle]

this note should be in the item description (

[old hull]

I agree

[sonic wind]

It works with increased aoe sources at least.

might be because of the line that says projectile speed becomes increased aoe for it

[muted mist]

is the new Hungering Soul DK build viable to 450 coruption with reasonable investment if you don't abuse the retaliation souls scaling with your stats rather than minion stats? (wondering if this subredditor just failed to build it properly)

[pearl snow]

Any form of HS Dk should easily hit 500 as long as you dont just build it completely wrong

I was doing ignite HS and zombies up to 1k

[obtuse quest]

The default HSDK build ignores that retaliation setup.

[obtuse quest]

You expect that bomb to do any actual damage?

[wintry quarry]

Probably

I just like flaying and then evading/reaping around

[obtuse quest]

That’s really funny of you. (It literally does not do any direct damage)

[wintry quarry]

Hey, DoTs are DoTs

I played around with it and it feels good, especially on bosses

[obtuse quest]

You’ll need to be a dot build for it to contribute any actual damage, but fair.

[wintry quarry]

You're just zipping around constantly while dropping bombs

While of course also doing your regular melee damage

Harvest is a source of cold/necrotic shred and Death Seal is also a source of cold/necrotic shred

So those two are probably vital in making a cold and necrotic damage lich work

[obtuse quest]

I would like to wonder why not either:

1. commit to the cold setup entierly and drop necrotic.
2. Just hyper boost flay instead since flay is part of the core.

[wintry quarry]

There's a single node in the Lich tree that boosts both your cold and necrotic damage. That's basically why. Also because it seems like Lich has easy access to both damage types

I don't like one-button builds. I like intelligently pressing a given ability for a given situation, but also can lead into or boost the effect of my next ability I press, which also does the same thing for another given ability, and so on

[obtuse quest]

“Easy” is a stretch for cold, but tbf they’re the best cold user within acolyte.

[obtuse quest]

Acolyte is a proc/buff based class, so in most cases that’s not going to happen much here.

[wintry quarry]

So I don't particularly care if a given build is strong, though of course that's important. I just like comboing shit

I know

I just want to try to turn every class into a Flow Bladedancer as much as possible, lol

[obtuse quest]

As long as you know what you’re getting yourself into.

🫡

[obtuse quest]

Lmao

[noble flame]

trying to fight uber with CoF equips kinda sucks. I can consistently get to the last phase but always die there

[sly forge]

Important only for some builds could only reach insane scaling with offline gears like forged weapons. Also the above is just show that how things are better by swapping weapons (Also I see comparison fair because my abomination is also stacked with a lot of endurance which is not realistic online and still needs 3 more seconds for killing uberroth).

[sly forge]

well last phase is hard

you should kill it fast right after the first slam

or thing will become much worse

[noble flame]

I dont think I can go any faster without better equips, but it'll be a lot of farming just to get small upgrades. If I can get better at stacking lasers I might be fine

[sly forge]

laser?

[sly forge]

yeah, especially the affixes on armor and helms

they are huge boost

@noble flame I think you should get 2 out of 3 bleed affixes on the armor and helm

they are better than vitality

and try an exalted helm with sealed vitality affix

for boots try to have 2 lp, where one is vitality

I don't see the point of the corrupted affix

I'm not sure if 1 lp is sufficient for uber

[noble flame]

Which corrupted affix?

[sly forge]

since the top corruption guy even has 4 lp

[sly forge]

the corrupted affix in your boots

[sly forge]

and this

[noble flame]

Its a free cleanse

[sly forge]

you literally teleport to avoid the root

[noble flame]

top corruption guy is merchant's guild

I use the boots for more than just uber

[sly forge]

ah ok

but still, the next (non top 1-2) guys still at least 2 lp for most items

are they merchant's guild too?

ah some are cof too

but I don't think having only lp1 items are sufficient for this build

especially it needs many affixes on helmets and armors

[noble flame]

it's not great for CoF since there's so many uncommon-class affixes needed

[sly forge]

yeah

but for uberroth, I expect something at least like that top 1 guy

maybe replace the axe and shield with scales

for maximal dps

30% increased dread shade buff

[noble flame]

Tried scales, you have to pray nothing touches you

[sly forge]

your will deal 1.69 more dmg

because there are 2 multipliers in dread shades

well if scales is not good for def then try axe+shield

but I saw frog bm using scales

[noble flame]

Ancestral Pack has been the most consistent way to get through the fight. Generates a lot of defense

[sly forge]

and still clear corruption easily

and some guy in the ladder used scales too and still cleared 1k corruption

[sly forge]

this or shields

[noble flame]

the top necro was using scales

[sly forge]

well scales with good regen is a good choice

you stand behind and let your minions does the clear

just not good for omens

but scales and some good lp gears can clear uber (maybe need faction change) like how you do a zhp build with ballista falconer

for safety then you might still equip the axe+shield

[noble flame]

nice part about bones is that Im generating 2.6k ward per second standing still with most of my health covered by endurance threshold too

the gloves are stupid rare. tempted to swap those out for something farmable

but the stats are so good

[hot heron]

Is there a minion build that can beat uberroth without snapshotting?

[sly forge]

abomination

actually I think crit HS skeletal mage can do too

[obtuse quest]

If the objective is just to clear, then abom and crit skeletals can clear it.

[sly forge]

not sure about skeletal rogues vs uberroth in this season since they are bugged

[calm dome]

one day, I will find a poison immunity grand idol

I see the vision for poison death knights/zombies and I need poison immunity idol to swap

[noble flame]

What's the build?

[calm dome]

Same base concept as ignite death knights+hungering souls/zombies but use the flame rot node to scale poison pen/duration on death knights. Poison immunity idol to have dread shade with everlasting poison on each death knight and at least one other minion. Dream item would be a Blight of Lachesis with double mana prefix and shared poison pen.

You keep AoD as poison and you can actually scale with the increased poison damage the poison dread shade gives

Keep one dread shade on a zombie for big flesh harvest effect scaling

till it dies obviously

I was also thinking of the hungering souls staff and try it as an archmage set up

[pearl snow]

The AoD increased poison node converts with the skill if you are talking about the one top middle by the poison chance node

[calm dome]

Yes I know. I am just saying for the build, you would keep AoD as poison and not convert

[pearl snow]

Makes sense

[calm dome]

I assume it works since death knights are considered skeletal mages

[pearl snow]

Yeah

That staff confuses me honestly. Not for your build but in general

Like wtf electrify doing on skele mage?

[calm dome]

yeah I did not see the vision for that mod

but who knows

new lightning convert skele mage soon?

idk

I am not familiar with any electrify minion build. I assume primalist something

[noble flame]

Electrify is just Paladin

[minor scaffold]

is the new jormun set good for flay lich? like the belt + a reforged weapon?

[lost gale]

It's just flavor text

[quiet seal]

I thought for Crows maybe

Though I did genuinely think it was an error when they first released the screen shot for it lol

[calm dome]

Wolves can get ice and lightning tags to get +4

[quiet seal]

ah wolves, okay

[lost gale]

Probably not, +4 skills daggers and mana axe

[calm dome]

Is Salt the Wound out of flavor or something? No bleed or poison build wants it?

Lich can use it

[noble flame]

i think that was a user-created item

[minor scaffold]

what about legends primordial ring + mana axe and traitor's tongue? still not worth it right?

[obtuse quest]

Why would poison ever need more pen?
Furthermore: it requires you to build crit multi on a build setup that runs 0 of it.

[obtuse quest]

If you’re mana flay: not worth losing skill points for, your main damage comes from chaos bolts

[pearl snow]

😢

[lost gale]

I think it was best in slot for a couple of bleed builds in 1.2, but not very good ones I guess

Totally overshadowed by the bleed primordial gloves

[calm dome]

that makes sense

[minor scaffold]

i see, thanks!

[candid escarp]

if I take Giant Zombie, does that limit me to one zombie active at once, or just one per cast?

[obtuse quest]

One per cast. (And if you have any indrect methods to summon zombies, those get affected too)

[candid escarp]

another weird one, if I have Vengeful Souls, does this transfer to death knights if they can cast hungering souls? (IE, will they cast it when hit?)

[lost gale]

yes they can cast it when hit but it uses player not minion scaling if they do

i don't think anyone has really explored how best to exploit this

it's an interesting gimmick though

[pallid geyser]

lvl 100 HardCore Rip Wwarlock jsut got this - of course oging to re roll once I put 4 stats on iot. I am thinking i dont green, I go for T7 Cast Speed + 1x T6 and 2x 5 (pref phy pen and chacne ot chill)

my current 3LP is great, so really feeling its all good anyways. I will 100% be courrpting the 4LP item LOL

[lucid olive]

Hello i am choosing between https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/guide/67ba94d451be59bd14964566 and https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/guide/69c783a7c2ef16155c7ae567 build... i used to play Wraithlord but it was nerfed heavily a long time ago

[lucid olive]

is it now working well?

[echo sun]

Anyone have any idea in how to summon minions with the least amount of investment+effort. Wanna consistenly consume them but can't figure out a way that's reliable enough, was thinking bee corruption idols or skeleton and revive them but since they only revive every 3rd sec it's kinda not optimal.

[lost gale]

skeleton revive is actually better than it sounds, as long as you aren't currently at max skeletons 3s after they die they'll (have a chance to) revive

so you can cast more while they're waiting to revive and have those new ones also die

but bees are definitely less effort

mana efficiency would be an issue tho, bees are free but consuming them usually isn't

[obtuse quest]

Skeletons or zombies with their rings I guess?

[echo sun]

I don't really struggle with mana but the issue i had with skeletons was that I couldn't achieve 100% chance to resurrect as I am not a necromancer and already extremly point starved so can't go into necromancer for the Unbound Necromancy... hmm

[lost gale]

What are you trying to do with them?

Even 40% revive chance makes a big difference

[echo sun]

So the idea is that I will use ghostflame to cast marrow shards then the marrow shards will consume the minions for 100% more dmg. The benefit is also that I get twice as many hits in as I can also hit my minions with Apathy.

[obtuse quest]

If you want 100% uptime on that node, that is basically impossible.

That requires 2 minions summoned per second WHILE in ghostflame

[echo sun]

the only way I can think of a 100% uptime is that all my idols is corrupted with bees, that would be 15 bees per 10 secs, maybe not 100% uptime but atleast getting closer.

[lost gale]

2 zombie rings with corpse parasites should manage that easily

[echo sun]

oh?

[lost gale]

Zombie rings revive zombies once a second, each zombie spawns two minions on death that last for 4s, none of that costs mana with zombie rings

One zombie ring should do it most of the time

But you gotta specialise volatile zombie

[echo sun]

I should try that I can actually sacrifice rings slots and 1 spell slot, thanks!

[echo sun]

Thanks again just 2-4x my dmg, zombies good idea!

[cursive latch]

do you guys have a cool minion army build ?

[obtuse quest]

If your definition of army is more than one minion type, then lol

[gleaming trail]

Does bone nova on the golem change element if you spec into fire/ice?

[obtuse quest]

No, it doesn't exist entierly on non-bone golems

[gleaming trail]

Ahh i see, thanks

[lucid olive]

https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/guide/69c783a7c2ef16155c7ae567 im curently runing some variant of this and so far good, managed to clear up to Abberoth ( not tried him yet )

[lucid olive]

Which one to slam ? Or should i wait for something better ?

or should i wait for something else?

[jagged cobalt]

Is Reaper Form's Phys conversion only for Reap and its effects? I'm hoping that that "+Necrotic damage while in reaper form node" is also converted

[muted mist]

The cold conversion node changes the poison duration node to frostbite duration, IIRC, but flat damage bonuses like that usually don't convert.

[obtuse quest]

The latter isn't converted.

[rocky flame]

can the profane veil skill dodge Abberoth's slam?

[obtuse quest]

Technically?

(If you meant the triple slam, then yes.)

[old hull]

Just to be clear, you can only dodge the one part that is a hit, not the DOT part

Which is way deadlier than the hit

[rocky flame]

hmm, tbh, I have no clue how profane veil is good on my Witchfire build but I see some people recommend it

so what is the great use for it?

[pearl snow]

Defensives and if you get the more dmg to cursed stuff while channeling it it amps your dmg

Unlike stacking DoTs Witchfire will dynamically update

[obtuse quest]

Profane is either as the dps on a curse setup, or the panic button.

[pearl snow]

Also can be used to inflict another curse

[rocky flame]

oh okay let me read that passive node again

it's 16% more DMG to damned

at 8/8

[pearl snow]

That too

Passive skill tree has a channeling node

If you grabbed it

[river axle]

Are there options for cold minions aside from skeletal cryomancers/deathchill golem/ice archers?

Trying to decide on a 5th skill for my theorycraft

Current plan is skeletal mages, dread shade, golem and skeletons

[lost gale]

cold aura of decay for the resistance reduction

[river axle]

I'll look into that, thanks

[quartz cove]

Got my Ash Wake Fire Zoo Necro to 85. Right now struggling with 1-shot survivability in 90s. Have 1800 health and 1600 ward with max resistance except for Void (37%). Anything I should invest in?? Can't change boots, trex or off hand.

[pearl snow]

Void res lol
Do you have crit dmg reduction?

[jagged cobalt]

On my Melee Flay build using Army of Skin, is there a way to make Rip Blood useful?

[pearl snow]

Id also make sure that you are inside your dread shade auras if you are using it as it gives a load of armor

[pearl snow]

Are you doing normal flay or the more meta mana flay setups

[jagged cobalt]

This is what I'm running for the moment.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP6Yw0n3

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 75

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (55) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,490, Regen: 35.5/s
▸ Mana: 220.88, Regen: 15.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 126%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 54 Str / 32 Dex / 51 Int / 24 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 117% / 55% / 142% / 57% / 52% / 121% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,132
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (337)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (1,754)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Marrow Shards

[jagged cobalt]

Uh normal flay I guess

Little to no spell damage/mana, so it's almost all melee damage

[pearl snow]

What is lichs envy for

Just another set for you?

[jagged cobalt]

Just a set to fill the slot til I find something better

[pearl snow]

Cuz any rare with a set affix is better

Either way Rip Blood is usually just a spell dmg booster / health getter

[jagged cobalt]

Yeah, gear is still a WIP, a lot of it is left over from leveling

That's what I figured. A lot of its benefit requires direct casting

So staying specced into Marrow Shards for buffs/debuffs is probably better?

[pearl snow]

Indirectly its fine as either ward gen or health

Most likely

[jagged cobalt]

Just feels like a huge waste not utilizing Rip or Skeletons is all

[pearl snow]

Then dont use the boots lol

[jagged cobalt]

But the melee stuff on the boots just seem too good to pass up

[pearl snow]

Yeah its powerul

Its not really used for the other things

Occasionally youll see people use pale ox with them to provide extra dmg reduction

[jagged cobalt]

Oh that's not the worst idea, though I think I'd still prefer Bear's stuff 🤔

[pearl snow]

With you set ring setup probably

[dusk path]

is there a good alternative to red ring for rip blood lich build?

[abstract summit]

The boots is literally flay distance lol

Nothing else

[pearl snow]

Nearly anything works. Ocearon is a decent ring too but you are probably better off with a solid exalted ring instead

[dusk path]

great, thx for your reply

[brazen wigeon]

what is benefit of big golems?

[lost gale]

Fragments of the Fallen
Your Golems have increased size and deal more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers) if you have no other living golems when you summon them.
Your Golems have significantly higher armor for the first 15 seconds of their life when summoned near the corpse of another Golem.
Starting Armor Near Dead Golem: +9500
Size if no other living Golems: +15%
Damage if no other living Golems: +25%

[brazen wigeon]

yeah but what is size for

[obtuse quest]

Nothing much except it's hitbox

[jagged cobalt]

Does it affect the minion's attacks' areas/ranges?

[obtuse quest]

Not really?

[jagged cobalt]

Shame

Although a bunch of tiny minions with huge ranges could be fun

[brazen wigeon]

as MG for what acolyte idols should I keep an eye for?

for sell

[pearl snow]

According to Mike the Size is threat related too since hitbox increases can cause enemy targeting to react to them first before you

[coral fjord]

As Rip Blood Lich:
Increased Cast Speed while Cursed is nuts.
Suffix can be Damage while low HP or Physical Resistance.

[old hull]

Yeah, the AI goes for the closest valid target (multiplied based on threat), and that distance is measured to the hitbox, so larger hitbox makes them look very slightly closer

[jovial aspen]

im using the putrid coating, i wonder if i can test on dummy or otherwise whether big threat golem or two golems is better for stacking those

[lost gale]

not really, I'll tell you now though it's really really really not very good

what you could do is spec bone golems for bone shatter, the retaliation thing and just see how many times they go off

[jovial aspen]

lol, thats so me to go all in on something medicore at best

[jagged cobalt]

Really? Dang, that sounds like it'd be amazing if your golem's getting slapped constantly

[lost gale]

because it'll be some fraction of that amount

[jagged cobalt]

Although I guess the idea of games like this is to not have enemies alive long enough to attack anything

[lost gale]

your golem needs to get hit 10x on average for one stack of +50% poison chance. There was a build which could abuse penance to make the golem hit itself loads and stack it to the moon but they rate limited penance to stop that

because it was crashing servers I think

[jagged cobalt]

There was some effect that fully negated crits either with avoidance or reduction if you were low on life or cursed or something like that.. but now that I'm looking for it I can't find anything. Am I just making stuff up misremembering?

[lost gale]

doesn't ring a bell

[jovial aspen]

with the stats window open during monolith (i know thats jank) i can see the poison chance go up but kinda hard to tell if two golems is better than one, im assuming so

[lost gale]

well the amount of enemy hits incoming shouldn't change much but I guess a few more could be attacking at a time with 2 golems