💀┃acolyte

[obtuse quest]

Not 2k

And I can't figure out why either

[winged flame]

If you only calculate the 17 int or whatever I have?

[obtuse quest]

I only calculated int+ %incs and any unconditional %more

[pearl snow]

Not doing all of the math smh

[obtuse quest]

SMh you have CALCULATORS ON YOUR PC

[pearl snow]

NOOOOOOO

[ashen bluff]

is alrite, have a t7 mana in the bank too but need the surv

for surv maybe a majasa w block effect cos dots are bs, but this is mana stackin for dps and more hybrid than pure life (I have 3.5k ward)

[dawn plinth]

I have been blasting cof quests for this and then this happens

[pearl snow]

tf

[dawn plinth]

I wish I recorded that lol, I bought a white ring from the vendor cuz I was drained after blasting cof and no ring

[obtuse quest]

Lucksack

[calm dome]

No instant replay for last 5 mins?

Nvidia shadowplay or something

[dawn plinth]

nah 🙁

375% cast speed is something else

[pearl snow]

Interesting so Mark of Death on block works with AoD's self dmg but the haste on block doesnt

lol

[crude vault]

its possible to force reset echo?

tired from "echo already in progress"

[pearl snow]

I usually relog

[crude vault]

y, but have to resummon abom

[pearl snow]

seeing a fairly strong T8 minion teleport ring is so tempting

just cant justify it for vomit zombos

[dawn plinth]

whats the best way to farm havoc runes

[raw surge]

prophecies id imagine

[pearl snow]

Prophecies for generic rune drops and making sure your weaver tree had the enraged rare monsters node bottom middle

I’ve heard that you get more when the prophecies are fulfilled inside cemeteries but that might be confirmation bias

[calm dome]

I finally got myself a 1LP Ash Wake. Is it time to swap to fire dot necro

[sick belfry]

peeps how's dot flay compared to mana?

[tacit plinth]

Prophecies number 3,Rampant coast number 2,uber aberroth number 1

[quiet seal]

There is also a rift beast mutation for 'drops a rare rune' which is very commonly a havoc rune in my experience. If you get it early in the evolution, and can spawn it a number of times before you kill it off you can get quite a few. I will say this probably works best as a kind of 'passive farm', so long as you don't mind running the rift beast content.

[patent drift]

evolve rift beasts to drop rare runes, farm rift beasts

[thorny solstice]

are there any death knight builds worth doing?

got cool hungering souls helmet...

[sly forge]

crit HS death knight

[ashen bluff]

dot zombies w knight for clear 😎

[thorny solstice]

is there guide somewhere for it? i have never played minion builds apart from skeleton rogues months ago

[glossy willow]

Do u guys know why sometime my bone curse auto turn off

[obtuse quest]

Are you running aura bone curse and did you have mana?

[daring turret]

any harvest/flay lich enjoyer?

[buoyant robin]

I hope they fix the abo sacrify himself bug lol, so annoy

[dawn plinth]

I made the mistake of doing that awful weaver map where you swap int/dex/str on like 500c, never again

worst enemies ever

[crude vault]

15 bosses

curse gone

[sick belfry]

the meteors on that map... 💀

[dawn plinth]

yeah I think I got carpal tunnel kiting 475 crack heads all trying to stun me while dodging the meteors

[manic tapir]

Why are my zombies and skele mages still doing poison damage even tho I already took the node that converts all poison damage to fire on both of them? Is it a bug?

[sick belfry]

do you have any flat added poison damage

since conversion only converts base damage and untyped added damage

unless you're saying they only do poison and not any fire, then it's probably a different issue

[obtuse quest]

For Mages:

1. DK can't be fire, so taking the fire convert only applies the next point, and are not treated as fire minions.
2. Pyromancer says "All poison chance from this tree is converted to ignite chance for Pyromancers."

[lost gale]

also hungering souls has poison chance on its tree and I don't think anything in the skelly mage tree would affect that

if you've taken any of that

[manic tapir]

No flat poison damage, yeah my first question was worded incorrectly. The minions are doing fire damage (confirmed that after seeing monsters die with a burning corpse). But I don't understand why I'm still seeing poison stacks on bosses even after getting the pyromancer node. And to check for it specifically I only have pyromancers on my roster .

[lost gale]

+(18 to 27) Poison Damage for your Minions' Damage Over Time Spells
if you're using the zombie rings this will apply to vomit and maybe hungering souls? not sure about HS

[lost gale]

Pyromancer only converts the poison chance from the skelly mage tree, if you have anything in your passive trees or gear which gives minions a chance to poison then that won't be converted

re-read the fire conversion node text in skelly mage and zombies

zombies clearly says from all sources

[manic tapir]

That's the thing, poison chance isn't being converted to ignite chance

[obtuse quest]

Is it doing ignite stacks along with poison stacks?

[manic tapir]

no ignite stacks

[obtuse quest]

Oh, both ailment converts don't work

Bug report time

[manic tapir]

submitted

hopefully it gets fixed soon

[latent iris]

Hey guys, I wonder if anyone can help me figure out if Julra's gloves are right for my build.
Im doing a Wraithlord build with low life

This is my setup so far:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX7dryl

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (93)

General:

▸ Health: 2,275, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 174.83, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 141%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 15 Dex / 35 Int / 7 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 167% / 139% / 104% / 131% / 85% / 161% / 111%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 455
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (207)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (406)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Used skills:

Dread Shade / Infernal Shade / Summon Wraith / Bone Curse / Transplant

[night hemlock]

Wraithlord loves cast speed so Julra isn't a bad choice and the flat spell damage is nice too

Raven's Rise is another great option if you want to + to levels

[sly forge]

why is rip blood warlock's damage is unstable?

sometimes it deals insane damage

while sometimes it deals average

[winged flame]

@obtuse quest Seems like Spirit Plague is working as intended, the weapon I use is missing a line for it to get flat damage, really stupid.
Normal weapon gives "curse SPELL damage", set affix is "curse damage"

[latent iris]

Sealed Affixes cant be hit when making a legendary right?

[ashen bluff]

nope

[latent iris]

Would putting an experimental mod that drains hp on julras also make minions lose hp?

[winged flame]

They shouldn't get conditional stats

[lost gale]

no

[latent iris]

Oh thats good

[lost gale]

LL minions would be so bad lol

[latent iris]

So if I manage to hit a 2 LP gloves with minion damage and hp drain/ward gen only the minion damage should apply

[lost gale]

they'd have no retention, WPS from just one item

[lost gale]

yes but cast speed is usually better than minion damage

minion damage on Julra's doesn't do anything more than it does on normal gloves

[latent iris]

I suppose then I better be on the look out for life loss and cast speed gloves

[gilded zephyr]

any necro build using this?

[sly forge]

this is testing with offline gear but the damage from 0.38 to 0.47 is much better than the damage from 0.01 to 0.08

that

that's my point

[winged flame]

I'm glad you got blessed

[lost gale]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/zombie-warlock-guide yep

[lost gale]

jeez how much cast speed is that?

[sly forge]

321%

without counting curse

with curse then 641%

[lost gale]

maybe the damage difference is down to different amounts of stacks from fissure & rip blood?

or maybe marrow shards still has some bugs around how much damage it deals

[sly forge]

but did you see the damage difference between the periods in the video?

[ashen bluff]

I'm honestly considerin just going apiarist set >_<

Apiarists set would be 14 bees + Queen and gives +6 health regen per bee <_<
Assuming queen counts that's 90 flat hp regen from just htem

[lost gale]

sort of, you got uber from 97% to 64% through a ward phase between 6s and 10s and you don't have that much DPS the whole time afaict

[obtuse quest]

As expected, they haven’t fixed that lmao

[sly forge]

another period you can see is the start of 64% to 36%

it begins slow first

then suddently raises to the sky

[lost gale]

I think it's probably the stacks of flat damage

you don't have a stack counter for the rip blood one

but the fissure one was down at 20 stacks and up to nearly 50 at times

Anyone know if this applies to all Torment you apply or only ones applied by Fissure?

because I could see a wheel of torment build that just does monoliths with extreme ailment prolif

soul feast is so bad for most purposes but it does a good job of just hitting everything

[ashen bluff]

wellwellwell

[elder imp]

if you torment from fissure in any way that u can apply it on a ignited enemy it will spread( regardless if you have torment on fissure or u have a talent point)

unless im wrong but im confident its like taht

[round stag]

what would be better for minions/necro/new death blossom build?

im only minions i dont cast anything directly besides zombies and dread shade

and most of the damage is from skeletel mages firing the hungering souls but 2 golems are melee and ive changed the mages to knights

so dunno how much that flat melee helps over the penetration

[elder imp]

left by a long shot (i dont remember if your minions are melee ranged or casters, if it is caster even though right is better for pen id still take left for extra point)

[elder imp]

flat damage is no1 thing you need pen you can get in manny ways so taht flat damage gets multiplied by all your inceseases and more multipliers

[round stag]

yeah im aware of that which is why i asked but since 80% of my minions kits are caster/spell and 20% is melee i didnt know if that amount of flat would still be better (ignoring staff stats just WW stats)

[elder imp]

any Rip Blood experts i need some feedback about this version so far i have ahard time fing the mad alchemist laddle
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7G41R1G

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (28) / Warlock (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,730, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 370.51, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 327%, Regen: 118/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 26 Dex / 139 Int / 23 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 51% / 100% / 141% / 82% / 217% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 398
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (714)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,144)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 64%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay

[round stag]

never mind that corruption sealed it for me

[elder imp]

you then need to find melee + caster flat damage for a better output

[round stag]

regardless the mana is top tier even if its low asf lol

not had good luck with them even exalteds. level 6 and i only stopped using this at level 68 (now 83)

[wicked abyss]

Can these 2 nodes on zombies work together?

[ashen bluff]

no

[wicked abyss]

Aight tnx

[round stag]

id say yes

[lost gale]

maybe EHG should make witchfire into a curse spell dot so you can get flat damage for it.
make sinathia mace even more of a BIS item for it (if they fix sinathia mace flat damage)

[round stag]

poison converts to fire

[ashen bluff]

no horrific converts to damned as well

[round stag]

that would change that ignite to necrotic dot no?

[elder imp]

if i remember correctly you only get 1 conversion

[ashen bluff]

the tooltip is incomplete

[round stag]

ahh

[ashen bluff]

there's no chain converts only one applies

[wicked abyss]

I trust Finn

[ashen bluff]

most other sources it says which one goes on top

[turbid kayak]

damn warlock looks cooked compared to necro its at like half the corruption on ladder

and using 3-4lp stuff to evencome that close

[ashen bluff]

oh wait lmao press alt on vitae

[turbid kayak]

i think tahts why people play meta builds so much easier to gear into mid game

[elder imp]

and here i am begging rn jesus to give me a mad laddle look at my poor ass https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7G41R1G

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (28) / Warlock (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,730, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 370.51, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 327%, Regen: 118/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 26 Dex / 139 Int / 23 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 51% / 100% / 141% / 82% / 217% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 398
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (714)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,144)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 64%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay

[elder imp]

cringe had to be the other way around would be cooler

[lost gale]

warlock has some decent meta builds. profane veil cursed orbs, profane veil zombies and rip blood all seem pretty good

[ashen bluff]

god dots are so bullllshit

I want bees not ailment cleanse on my belt

[lost gale]

can't believe they put such a low proc limit on the crimson enlightenment

it's just a fun meme build

it's not a good build

[turbid kayak]

they seem a lot harder to gear than necro tho tbh

going by the ladder

[obtuse quest]

It also doesn’t help that other than profane zombies, the other builds are pretty old

Yet still rank top

[lost gale]

marrow shards nova is new and quite nice

[turbid kayak]

So whats the conensus hallow finger vs phantom grip on Abom?

[hushed dew]

lol lingering warmth got bugged?

it never gives me haste :/

think another guy is suffering from the same problem

[eager coral]

What are most people playing for Acolyte builds in HC? I looked at ladder but all i can see is skills equipped, not trees or gear. is there an externa site I can see this info?

[turbid kayak]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/shattered-omens/latest/softcore-1p/corruption/acolyte

Mostly Abom Necro and Flay Lich. Warlock looking on average half as good i think

Although maybe I was wrong about gearing, that second place warlock's gear is pretty cheap and easy. Seems kinda fun too.

I might try that on a second acolyte

Zombie build

[brazen steppe]

any idea how to increase defenses on abom build? 4k ward and i get 1 hit sometimes at 1.1k corruption

[round stag]

ward doesnt have any DR so its just essentially an extra pool of health if your armor, endurance, dodge etc etc are low then 4k ward isnt a lot

[eager coral]

I've jsut finished campaign on my 3rd character this league (1st rip 2 steps into monolith to a jar slam and 2nd in act 7 campaign to an omen window) I've done all my levelling as Chaos bolts warlock but im looking at abom. I'm only lvl 59 so i'm not sure the best wayto transition over.

[round stag]

so since the build im following is all legendary items its hard to get survivability which results me getting ohko randomly in empowered monos (100c) im assuming because of my resistences (armor goes up to 45% when fighting) but 2k hp is low also so would i benefit more from the health or ele res?

i do sit at about 1.5k ward and goes to 2k if i spam volatile zombie

[turbid kayak]

copy dudes like this,
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/berwer/character/abobaprime

hp one,
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Tlevy/character/Tlevy

100% block 72% armor and a lot of endurance

[obtuse quest]

Lmao I just saw 2nd place Hc aco by corruption, that man has some cracked as hell legendaries for that setup

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Tikomiuss/character/NewMeta

[round stag]

hmm tempting

[lost gale]

is that an honest to god poison wandering spirits build?

[eager coral]

am i missing something or are Abom builds not speccing Abom?? these necros at the top look like Volatile Zombie builds based on trees?

[obtuse quest]

AND AoD!

Insane

With some insane legendaries to boot

Tf is that titan heart

[lost gale]

the top SC merchant's guild warlock has a 3lp seed of ekkidrasil

isn't that the highest LP level item in the game?

[lost gale]

[obtuse quest]

Highest is ravenoius void (105), but see is up there for sure

[pearl snow]

You res across the board is so low

[round stag]

yeah few lucky items lol so its a phys exalt im looking for now XD

[pearl snow]

And void lol

Dont forget crit immunity too that helps with one shots later

[round stag]

yeah i know what i need but i did say all of my gear is legendary so getting all that when its hard to find 1 of each let alone 1lp+ i have to scrape by with what the game gives me

but in terms of pure increased hp or elemental resistences i dont know what would essentially be more EHP but a lucky ammy and seed of ekdrasil helm allowed me to change a few things

i also cant get phys and void together (afaik) and phys id say is more common

[turbid kayak]

the to ones im seeing are all abom

for corruption

mayber arena is different

[teal topaz]

Leveling a warlock focusing on bleeding. Viable? Any suggestions on combos? Right now I'm mostly using rip blood with the marrow shards trigger when hitting groups or elites and chaotic fissure. Pretty much rip blood spam unless there's something beefy or a big group, then use fissure and go back to rip blood spam.

Side note, I feel so safe with the node for giving ward based on missing health and the legendary that does the same thing. Ward bigger than my max health that regens pretty fast.

[eager coral]

are you looking at HC or SC? I'm looking at HC Corruption ladder

[turbid kayak]

oh i dont ever think about HC stuff lol

[obtuse quest]

He was asking about HC lmao

[turbid kayak]

ya i was so busy didn't see 😄

[obtuse quest]

TWO poison wandering spirits IN HC?

[obtuse quest]

Out of the top 10:
2 Poison Wandering Spirits (how the hell)
3 Rip Blood Warlock
3 HS Skeletal Mages Necromancer
2 Abom Necros

[tender ridge]

@winged flame #🐺┃primalist message
iirc fissure isn't a curse itself, just torment. the flat curse damage wouldn't apply to the fissure

[obtuse quest]

Correct!
But it's also true that the + flat curse damage stat just doesn't work

[tender ridge]

yeah we were talking about it in primalist chat

a priest was summoned and banished us

[winged flame]

Doomed back to the crypt

[lost gale]

Mr President, a second poison wandering spirits acolyte has hit the ladder

[tender ridge]

wandering spirits is actually a good spell

[winged flame]

Fissure isn't a curse but it can apply acid skin

[tender ridge]

that and black hole are basically the only good spell dots

[obtuse quest]

But only acid Skin gains the curse damage

[turbid kayak]

does Imprinting work with those primordial items

[tender ridge]

you'll get similar items but not the primordials

[obtuse quest]

Imprinting mostly only works on items that could have dropped randomly

[lost gale]

I wouldn't have said good, it's okay unlike virtually all other spelldots, but what do I know. I'm not on the HC ladder

[winged flame]

Yes and it has the exact same problem as spirit plague, it's not getting increased damage from increased curse damage

[tender ridge]

nah it's actually good. each individual spirit does a lot of damage, and they deal damage seperately. on large targets you can have a ton of them dealing damage at once

with poison spirits you also have them all spitting

[obtuse quest]

It's an affix problem

That part of the affix literally doesn't work

[winged flame]

Which part? "Increased curse damage"?

[tender ridge]

why not just use the set item itself if the affix is bugged

[winged flame]

I am trying the set item atm, it's not doing anything

I'm doing the same damage with no weapon

[tender ridge]

maces don't have any other caster stats. you'd basically just be looking for necrotic pen

report it

[winged flame]

It only gets damage from the passives with "spell damage for curses"

[obtuse quest]

Actually, more accurately, THIS one

The inc % works as intended.

[leaden mason]

Hey guys o/

I'm sorry for interference, but i have some questions:

1. Do curses apply on hit/on spell hit effects, cuz i want to spam spirit plague and i was curious if i can go yolo effect spam.
2. Spirit leech (or how it's called, atm i am not with game if front of my eyes) affects DoT aswell or just direct dmg?

Thank you!

[winged flame]

Even trying with Harvest relic which also have increased curse damage, the damage is the same

[raw surge]

if it makes you feel better it was a random Omen Window drop, didnt even slam it myself

[old hull]

1. Only if they specifically hit, such as bone curse. They won't get ailment application chances either way though.
2. Yes, since it doesn't specify hit only.

[lost gale]

1. Curses are ailments, they're applied by specific sources like casting spirit plague or torment from chthonic fissure's spirits or marked for death in the bone curse tree.
   They do whatever they say they do, bone curse triggers on every hit on the enemy dealing extra damage for example, acid skin increases the chance of crits on that enemy, decrepify causes them to take more DOT damage etc.

2. Untyped leech heals you from all non-reflect damage you do. Spell leech only heals you based on spell damage you deal, melee leech only melee damage etc.

[eager coral]

Sorry for being a pest but... which 2 are Abom, and how can you tell? I've just finished campaign and i'm hunting for a build to aim for.

[leaden mason]

Tnx for answers!

[lost gale]

you're saying the % increased curse damage here doesn't work?

[winged flame]

Yep

[lost gale]

lol

[obtuse quest]

Quite literally the only two builds to have abom in their spec skill list

[eager coral]

we must be looking at different lists then. I'm at work at so im looking at the HC corruption ladder on lastepochtools. I'm seeing 2 flay lichs, 3 rip blood warlocks, a bee necro and then some necro builds with volatile zombie in the top 10. to find the first necro with abom sec'd i have to scroll all the way down to like 150 corruption.

i'm not trying to be annoying, i might just be stupid

[thorny solstice]

anyone have epoch tools planner for this? i hate these kind of guides...https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/guide/69c783a7c2ef16155c7ae567

[obtuse quest]

This is what I see

[unreal hill]

playtesting my tanky lich build. I can ignore mechanics on t3 julra. Just sit in the lasers and puddles and whack away.

needs a little more tankiness to do it on t4 though. almost there

[calm dome]

Does fire zombie necro focus more on ignite or crit

[willow verge]

Mana.

@pearl snow . What corruption u are atm?

[lost gale]

vomit/putridity is definitely ignite (or other ailments) via mana stacking.
if you want to blow them up with chaos bolts then it's crit

[calm dome]

Yeah I was wondering in general what scales better

[pearl snow]

370 the damn shade doesnt wanna spawn

[calm dome]

I guess mana stacking for ignite

[pearl snow]

Mana stacking for both kek

[calm dome]

Mana stacking does nothing for zombie explosion

Well I guess chaos bolt

For the spell damage

[lost gale]

that's so unreliable

[willow verge]

Good. I was running 320 yesterday. Tomorrow and Friday it's holiday here in my country. Will push the build to its limits

[lost gale]

any buff like that only applies to minions that are alive at the moment you get the buff, and you go through zombies so fast

any chaos bolt you cast could not proc it and detonate zombies

[calm dome]

Yeah but it is already a two button build at that point. Revolution procs every cast for me in my experience

So zombie then cb, I sure hope I get revolution buff before it explodes the zombie

Otherwise, yeah, I see no point of mana stacking for zombie crit

[eager coral]

I see the same but none of them have abom spec'd. I could be missing something going on with respec shenanigans

[calm dome]

Mana stacking for dk hungering souls makes sense

[willow verge]

Thinking about going hp with null portent. Will have to test.

[ashen bluff]

The corrupted affix granting Bees Per 10 Seconds, available on all Idols is now over 3 times as common as previously.

OH OKAY

[obtuse quest]

The Rift Beast has gone through some counseling and has learned to better regulate his toxicity.

LMAO

[buoyant robin]

no self-Sacrifice Abo bugfix sadge 🙁

[ashen bluff]

nothing relevant yeah >_>

[lost gale]

corrupted form still not fixed either

I wouldn't be shocked if they just quietly delete that line of text at some point

[pearl snow]

AINT NO WAY THEY MADE ARENAS WORSE

[ashen bluff]

lmao

Fractured Prison: Fixed an issue where, in online, the Vision of the Observer’s teleport ability could cause it to follow a player back to the Echo of a World if the target of this ability portaled out of the encounter before the ability had resolved.

the fact you can't even guarantee mega arenas on webs makes them so dead

if you could just spam those they'd have a use, but its random chance somewhere in the web

[pearl snow]

Who tf hates arenas so much at EHG

LLL

LOL

[obtuse quest]

A whole lotta nothing

[ashen bluff]

oh I had that happen a lot

Fixed prophecies that rewarded weaver will items some times dropping an exalted instead of a weaver will item.

I was wondering what was up

[pearl snow]

My favorite is them dropping with Weaver Runes

That shit S Tier

They dont know about Mark for death on AoD block

WAHOO

My resistances hate me but pearls of the swine loves it

[buoyant robin]

i like arena too as i can afk it freely with my build, now it's even worse

[obtuse quest]

"Wow, free cake!"

[pearl snow]

My fire resistance 🔻

I must be at like -100 LOL

I tried every variation of the block stuff I’ve found and only Mark works too

Someone forgot to test hehe

[obtuse quest]

[lost gale]

what?

[pearl snow]

If you have a Mark of Death on block corruption shield it will give YOU the Mark if you use AoD

[pearl snow]

🤪

So I get -25% res and self curse

[lost gale]

ah so self curse mark without bone curse aura, neat

[pearl snow]

Yeah

All because use shield

And AoD

[ember fractal]

Question

Can you suggest / recommend a good loot filter for either specifically necrotic pets build or (preferably) more genetic loot filter good for all sorts of pet builds?

I hate making my own loot filters, one thing I love about PoE is the existence of FilterBlade from Neversink.

[obtuse quest]

Either run Raxx's class filters, or find one suited for the build you're targetting.

[ember fractal]

Can you link?

[lost gale]

If you make a planner for your build on maxroll it's got a decent enough create filter function

[obtuse quest]

https://github.com/raxxanterax/GAMING

[dawn plinth]

what is this bees per 10 thing

[old hull]

It generates bee minions

[obtuse quest]

Have you seen a hive before?
Do you want to become a walking hive?

[weak atlas]

Hi! Trying to learn terminology for gear in this game

When a weapon has “+spell damage” or +mana regen

Is that an affix or what is the terminology for the stuff that comes on gear?

Trying to understand so I can make a loot filter but also for forge purposes 🙂

thank you!

[obtuse quest]

Affix

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/affixes

There's a whole game guide (THat is also in game) that you can read up on.

[weak atlas]

Thank you! I just read that link .. so what is the suffix vs affix - like what’s an example of the suffix?

I understand the entire phrase is affix.

[obtuse quest]

Oh it doesn't tell you that in the guide.
Affixes are split into two groups.
Prefixes are generally offensive affixes.
Suffixes are generally defensive affixes.

Each item has 4 affix slots total, 2 prefix slots and 2 suffix slots.

[vivid valve]

Are some of these weaver bosses supposed to be so ripy

Like random 1 shots

[night hemlock]

Can Summon Skeletons be unspecialised after Abom has been summoned?

[dawn plinth]

I am so happy they nerfed the green beam thing for weaver mobs

[vivid valve]

That 1 shot me earlier

[dawn plinth]

when the weaver update dropped I died to that so many times, just instantly popped and those dudes could teleport

[weak atlas]

Ah 2 offense 2 defense

Like mana regen is a suffix (defensive)

And spell is damage is prefix (offensive)

Both affix

[sick belfry]

the defensive/offensive is what they generally contain

[ember fractal]

Thank you very much.

One additional question: is there any good guide for Woven passive tree? I only have rough intuitive idea what to pick there but I barely understand the mechanic.

All I know is that I need specific Woven Echo to drop so I can farm my weapon.

[sick belfry]

but etymologically, prefix are the affix that appears before (pre) the item's name

while suffix comes after

so if there's a shocking burning sword of speed of slaughter

[weak atlas]

That’s name based but there are also the stats

[sick belfry]

shocking and burning would be the prefix

[weak atlas]

I gotcha but what is like mana regen and spell damage then?

On the item itself

[sick belfry]

depends on where they are, before or after the item's name

[weak atlas]

In the body

[sick belfry]

those are all just affixes

[weak atlas]

Like the +13 spell range

Or increased crap

Tyvm:)

[sick belfry]

not a prefix/suffix

[obtuse quest]

Uniques don’t follow the usual rules.

[sonic drum]

Guys, refuge from frog nerf here, hoping on some minions build tips on acolyte 😛

[obtuse quest]

Posessed mobs have double damage and hp. If a boss gets posessed…

[obtuse quest]

Bad example since mana regen is a prefix, but yeah.

[turbid kayak]

does block work on everything except dots?

[old hull]

Yes

[night hemlock]

What is the highest tier fracture?

[lost gale]

yes and there's even a shield which lets your block effectiveness partially mitigate DOTs too (they still don't check block chance, just effectiveness IIRC)

[night hemlock]

It's also a corruption unless you're referring to the corruption

[marsh slate]

Was trying to find a damage calculator for this, but does anyone know what's more valuable for mana flay lich? an extra +1 skill or +130ish mana? Trying to decide which omnis to use.

[turbid kayak]

wow awesome

[old hull]

What does +1 level get you? If it's a lot, and you already have a lot of mana, the the +1 could be better.

[marsh slate]

It seems like mostly small bumps to damage, but across 5 different skills. Sitting around 1300 mana right now, so I'm guessing the mana would be better, but wasn't sure on the scaling

[winged rock]

hey guys, wanna try harvest lich for the first time but never even played acolyte, does anybody have a planner for leveling a lich? havent dound any recet planners for lich leveling on the maxroll

[abstract summit]

Mana

Flay lich not rly thirsting for points

[marsh slate]

Running low on havoc and not getting many T7 mana drops, so didn't want to burn an exalt if that wasn't the case

[abstract summit]

Ye that's a constant struggle lol

[marsh slate]

Yep, it's like the game knows which drops you need to keep you playing 🙂

[crystal cobalt]

for the mana flay lich anyone know how it is to start? I have most of the gear just not many LP items will it function in low corruption while I gear the Lp stuff?

[muted mist]

Rip Blood + wandering spirits until you can go harvest+ bone curse, then add aura of decay, then flay and reaper form. Just bonk stuff and deal lots of ailment damage. Hard to mess up really.

[marsh slate]

I went from warlock to lich with the axe, dagger, boots, and gloves with about 600ish mana and it felt really good after getting the skills to 20. I think I was around 250 corruption when I swapped.

[crystal cobalt]

Thanks for that info

[raw surge]

just had a build revelation

[jovial aspen]

blood spectres has to be the strongest char ive played this game, they are brutal

[raw surge]

profane veil instead of transplant for and entire extra curse, more damage, and survivability

[lost gale]

@winged flame the meta harvest flay setup on maxroll has 34 points in harvest lol

+4 per weapon dual wielding

[winged flame]

Lmao, that's a lot of points

[muted mist]

Which variant? Abom?

How does it hold up vs omens? The numbers looked crazy but they didn't have a lot of aoe

[jovial aspen]

no just kinda doin my own thing now, i havent used Abom yet. just b spectres, aura of decay dread shade and bone curse and skeles

[lost gale]

what are you putting dread shade on? the T-Rex?

with the 13 limit I don't think sac needs to be automated tbh

[jovial aspen]

omens is what its worst at unfortunately, cause i have points in reflect dmg on bone curse trash mobs are not an issue but omens is a lot of decent medium size things it struggles on

just melts bosses instantly

[lost gale]

it should be about the same damage as 130 b specters would have done on 1.3

[muted mist]

Yeah I played it a fair bit last few patches, lotta sustained single target

[jovial aspen]

just the enemy with the dmg over time pts for minions

[muted mist]

205 if you were using transplant to manage the mana and swap it for bone curse for 50% more phys

[jaunty sequoia]

Boss was good 🙂

[raw surge]

im assuming you just corrupt it until it has the full 6 affixes it could have

[jaunty sequoia]

yeah pretty much, my other ring had converted to a rare b4 it reached 6 affixes tho

[dawn plinth]

oh

I underestimated my foe

[calm dome]

I really need to find actual gear, greater omens are feeling pretty rippy for me

[turbid kayak]

how does anyone even survive that other than maybe silver shroud cheating from falconer

or i guess being abom and staying far away letting abom kill off screen 😄

[winged flame]

What purpose does Bone eruption have in Bone Curse?

[obtuse quest]

Free hit, that's about it.

[winged flame]

Very lame

[teal topaz]

Leveling warlock focusing on bleeding. Rip blood to trigger marrow shards, or ghostflame to trigger marrow shards? (I figure I'll also go fissure with the node that makes it fire chaos bolts) Haven't looked at builds, just toying with things as I level.

[pearl snow]

For bleeds CB will definetly give you higher stacks but I dont know ghostflame at all

[teal topaz]

I unlock it with my next point, but rip blood is what I've been tearing through enemies with. Haven't run a warlock before, only done lich, so these skills/combos are all new to me

[pearl snow]

CB can also auto proc Rip Blood

[sly forge]

Have anyone tried rogue skeleton this patch yet?

[pearl snow]

Zeckar said something was broken

and made it not even workable

[sly forge]

:)))

Good to know

[obtuse quest]

Operator was broken iirc

[sly forge]

Wonder if it's fixed

[teal topaz]

Gotta say, I feel borderline invincible. Shroud of Obscurity and the node that gives ward based on missing health. This build runs so much smoother than the void knight I was leveling.

[sly forge]

Which build?

Why not using exsanguinous?

Which gives more ward per missing heath?

[pearl snow]

If you want to do dodging and stuff its better also leveling

[obtuse quest]

Generally that's because they have a high LP shroud, do not have an exsang, or has a reading issue

[teal topaz]

Don't have it. Still leveling, only level 28. I'm not following a build, but I'm running rip blood for marrow shards trigger and fissure, all for bleed/physical. Blood pact node into crimson gluttony. max ward is about 900 and I have yet to die. Haven't really had any trouble in the last 10 or so levels, just tear through everything. Not a terribly experienced player, but this season I also was leveling a void knight and that was a much worse experience. Lower damage and lower survivability.

[obtuse quest]

VK is more gear dependant for sure

[teal topaz]

can't speak for higher levels, but I felt like I had better gear(at least for damage) on my VK and yet it performed worse. I didn't even get a wand that did anything for me till around level 25. Till then I was running the legendary that gives a bunch of minion bonuses with a corruption giving increased cold. Via vendor or drops, I couldn't get a staff or wand for the life of me that did anything useful. Even now mine isn't great, but at least does something

[muted mist]

I think a popular combo is to use the node that makes the spirits target you and give flat damage with rip blood and marrow shards

[obtuse quest]

Going spell VK early is a recipe for suffering ngl

[teal topaz]

Sorry, I worded that poorly. the wand was on my warlock that is breezing through. Shit wand, still playing on easy mode. my VK was actually getting good weapons and overall gear but still felt fragile and like I was flailing around with pool noodles

[obtuse quest]

Warlock does have a good chunk of upfront power

Which has other related issues due to that but they don't show up till empowered

[teal topaz]

That it does. I'm killing bosses in the same time it would have taken my VK to get it down by ~25%, and I do it while mostly standing in place blasting

gotta head of to work, thanks for the input

[obtuse quest]

o7

[muted mist]

The fact that indirect marrow shards no longer cost health is a ridiculous boost to the lich version of that build (which doesn't really want to go low life). Crazy amounts of power early when marrow shards is triggering

[unreal hill]

I just realized you can face tank julra's big attack that you're supposed to timewarp way from

[obtuse quest]

You need a lot of ehp for that, but it's possible yes, it's not a true one shot, it just hurts like a btch with 2k base damage

[unreal hill]

ye, found out the hard way in t3 by accident.
And well I lived.

[sly forge]

is the revolution node any useful for zombie warlock?

[sly forge]

hmm also for warlock

I wonder if I should go for lowlife or stacking minion health for sustain

[pearl snow]

okay why is omen A in this veil just all DoT damage

[tender ridge]

to punish everyone that doesn't have DoT reduction

[pearl snow]

I genuinely dont know what to do on aco lmao, I threw on the majasa shield

[obtuse quest]

Steal experi and armour stack?

[pearl snow]

fair

though I think itd be a lot easier if I didnt get a movement bug everytime I enter those weird omen zones

[calm dome]

can someone explain to me why you would take the everlasting poison node on dread shade?

I am just looking at it and don't see the point of replacing the health decay with infinite stacking poison

[obtuse quest]

It's cleansable like normal poison, that's about it.

[calm dome]

how do you cleanse it on minions as Acolyte

I mean, I guess it can be easier to sustain?

% max hp decay vs poison with a base damage+resistance

I am not sure at all tbh

[potent nova]

hello guys

necromancer is good for end game ?

[obtuse quest]

In theory pretty much, easier to leech out of

[obtuse quest]

On the correct build yes

[potent nova]

what do u mean ?

which is the correct build?

[obtuse quest]

As in "Don't run something that doesn't synergize"

HS Skeletal Mages, Abom, even wraithlord works for general endgame

[lost gale]

profane veil can give you 100% of armor applies to DOT during its effect

not that armor is all that easily scaled on warlock

[lost gale]

yes, but don't split your focus across too many minion types

[hushed dew]

can anybody check lingering warmth node from ghostflame tree properly gives you haste? is it only me that the node doesn't work at all to?

[minor cedar]

What about i beemancer? Anybody tried?

[night hemlock]

From what I have gathered they are kinda underwhelming

[desert bolt]

has "Pyromancers" been fixed on the skele mage tree anyone know ?

[sly forge]

yeah

[desert bolt]

ok, nice, thanks

[sly forge]

there are some periods where rip blood warlock deals insane damage now (when uberroth reaches 64-36% health)

while other periods it onlys deal low damage (at the start)

this is offline testing

[lost gale]

I'm pretty confident it's to do with stacks of +flat damage from rip blood and fissure

you need to be stationary and blasting to 8 seconds uninterrupted to reach peak dps

and keep fissure up with minimal downtime

at that cast speed it's not a small amount of flat, you could well be getting like 80% of your damage from arcane absorption

[opal hawk]

Hi,
What do you believe is the best guide for a minion necro without a tedious summoning process?

[void saffron]

Basically, anything that's not abomination. And to a lesser extent, things to do with wraiths.
Which means, these days the nifty thing is Death Knight Hungering souls. Or golems. Or a more generalized minion army, though it will not get you to high corruption.

[opal hawk]

Maybe the "Death Blossom Death Knight," which transforms the traditional minion master into a high-velocity artillery platform. By shifting your Skeleton Mages into aggressive melee fighters and using them as a delivery system for explosive spells, you create non-stop necrotic explosions against your enemies.

[sly forge]

upper bound for non-stun lock build

@tacit plinth

[plucky solstice]

what build is that

[sly forge]

this is offline testing with max t7 gear

stygian coal

[sly forge]

fyi the rip blood warlock build of maxroll requires 48 sec

cannot do better

@tacit plinth yeah, 37 sec is limit

still that's enough for stygian coal to be S tier for me

[potent nova]

any1 playing necromancer minions and have killed uber ?

[sly forge]

for online, not me :)))

[willow verge]

Hi, guys

[dusk summit]

anybody knows im doing the summoning process for Abomination Necromancer but after doing it and going into the dungeon the Abomination just dies in 10 seconds while fighting enemies (yes im applying the buffs)

[brazen steppe]

that thing is impossible

i get deleted at 80% hp

[drifting mesa]

What will be good lich build to start and farm items to transition into flay mana lich later?

[brazen steppe]

all builds certainly abuse armor break, which abom build lacks

at 1k stacks its massive dmg increase

[brazen wigeon]

If i turn mages into pyromancer they scale with minion fire damage, does profane oblation also increase this bonus damage or is it pure necrotic?

[willow verge]

@pearl snow vommit is a hit?

i think its not

[rich frigate]

No

[torpid path]

hello guys, is wraithlord still a viable build ?

[cobalt jewel]

What are some good warlock builds that are COF friendly? (aka don't require 4 omen idols and a perfect altar)

[wintry flame]

it's viable, not the best

[slim lodge]

Hello, is harvest flay lich build from maxroll still viable for corruption 1000? I’m dying a lot

[torpid path]

any advice on a laid back neck-romancer build in the same style ?

[pearl snow]

Flay and Harvest Flay are still strong yes. Highly gear dependent as usual

[pearl snow]

Nope

[obtuse quest]

Do you have the devour node in abom

[vestal thunder]

Hi all! Keen to back to LE - torment / warlock still amazing to level with and endgame !!??

[tender ridge]

it's still good but definitely not the powerhouse it was before the nerf

guess that also depends on how long ago you played it. compared to launch, the necrotic res damage scaling was cut by a lot

if you've played since that nerf then it's basically the same iirc

[dusk summit]

which one?

[fleet dawn]

Has anyone managed ans have a build with Repeae but using ward?

[obtuse quest]

Top, but looks like you dont

[obtuse quest]

I hate to ask, how are you upkeeping reaper form then?

[vestal thunder]

Ty so much for messaging back. It’s been a while for sure - any amazing classes / builds to level with / endgame that’s easy to play

[tender ridge]

flay is pretty easy to play, you just hit stuff. it can be annoying to gear out though because it's very gear dependant

bleed chaos bolts is pretty easy as well but you gotta be comfortable with your health bar being a trampoline

[brazen wigeon]

I want to make mellee harvest lich with death's embrace so badly, but lack of necrotic aura of decay sucks so hard

[vestal thunder]

Blimey OK mate. Any other classes!? Sorry to ask. Really keen on that torment warlock mind. Still worth playing!? Was so easy to melt everything and love speed farming builds

Thanks again for help and info !!

[cobalt jewel]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/tierlists/speed-farming-tier-list

Just be aware that a number of these are all going to be stacking new idols with reliquary nest and that's annoying unless you're in merchants guild

[vestal thunder]

Ok. Thanks so much!! Really appreciate you all messaging

[willow verge]

@pearl snow

only 45% of block chance though

[pearl snow]

Nice

[dusk summit]

figured out myself was missing the lone watcher passive in dread shade

[unreal hill]

don't you want flat damage for forged weapons.
Making me question the quality of maxroll builds

[cobalt jewel]

Your mileage will definitely vary

I played the multistrike forge guard back in the weaver update and it is the strongest character I have

[vapid kindle]

no, your minions get a lot of flat from things like void cleave already, and since it’s 80% pen and 80% minion pen, fws get both so it’s total 160% pen for fws which is pretty giga

[unreal hill]

fair, I am confused about the minion melee damage though.
But thanks for the explanation

[tacit plinth]

That being said good luck trying to make this with imprint being dead gonna be a pain to make unless it 1t7

[unreal hill]

😔 yeah I was wanting to do fw. But they rated it at c-tier and it's crazy investment for a build that isn't all that.
My acoylyte build is already that tyvm

[tacit plinth]

You can get 3 suffixes worth for forge weapons,fire pen,shed armor ,minion melee and this one is avaliable 2 times,since you want to make t8 fire pen,that leaves 2 possible suffixes best in slot the shred an the minion melee damage

[vapid kindle]

not many good suffixes, you have pen, armor shred, and minion flat, so since you already have the other ones you may as well go for flat as it’s really the only suffix that will do anything for fmg

[unreal hill]

Why not like flat fire damage or similar since fw inherit it? or am I remembering how they work wrong

[tacit plinth]

The primordial axe is good enough,just lower damage overall than what i could achieve with odachi exalt

[tacit plinth]

Flat fire is prefix

Not suffix

[unreal hill]

oh. Well that explains that xD oops

[lost gale]

Isn't clotho's needle good for FW with 2 relevant affixes?

not that 2xT7 WW is realistic

[tacit plinth]

It would have to roll perfect affixes and I rather have the primordial axe in that case since farming good weaver will items gonna be a pain until ehg does something about it someday

[ruby root]

hey guys! I got to level 85 Spellblade on Hardcore but am mega curious to try out Lich and Warlock next.

Can I please get some tips of strong builds for me to level with? Also, some tips on how to build up defenses nicely please!

[lost gale]

Warlock's Fissure is an excellent levelling skill, very fire and forget

[ruby root]

That skill looks sick indeed! I am also quite interested in trying the reaper form thingy from Lich. Build necrotic damage and damage over time and see what happens

[lost gale]

Lich can get overleech with corrupted form (leech doesn't end when you reach your max hp) which basically means you only die from one-shots or other huge burst if you're dealing damage.

Warlock gets fairly tanky via a few passives which make cursed foes do less damage to you and some options for good ward gain

Rip blood, the skill you start with, is the staple of most warlock & lich builds while levelling

you can get +4 flat damage per cast with a stacking 8s buff duration

doubled for rip blood itself

sidesteps a lot of gearing issues

also Warlock's profane veil is an amazing defensive tool, you dodge every single hit while it's active and it can have pretty good uptime (>60%)

[ruby root]

lovely, thank you so much for the tips

[pallid plume]

Anyone got a good abom setup that does not require skill swaps ?

Or at that point do you just play wraith lord ?

[lost gale]

what do you mean by not require skill swaps?

[pallid plume]

Like you dont need to swap your skills on hot bar at all.

All the abom builds i have seen do a long summoning process where you keep swapping skills and trees then summon abom.

[lost gale]

no, not really. Abom benefits too much from summoning it with at least 1 of each of zombie, summon skelly, skelly mage, wraith and golem and buffs so you really do need to swap those minions off your bar and replace them with buffs after you've summoned it

but you only have to do that once per play session and there are builds that don't use respecs

[pallid plume]

It's more that im going to be playing on controller and the swap is really really annoying on controller.

So im not sure if i just play zoo or wraith lord instead of abom with no skill swap

[lost gale]

skelly mages are good right now and don't require skillswap

same for zombies

wraithlord is kind of... well it isn't bad but it's powercrept I guess

[pallid plume]

Can you play mages without chaos bolt tho ?

What's the zombie build ?

[pearl snow]

DoT mages and zombies yes

[pallid plume]

I was thinking zoo is mega comfy on controller, but not sure about like past 300c with it.

[pearl snow]

Go necrotic or fire basically

You pick

Stack mana

[pallid plume]

Is it just stack mana for more dmg and chaos bolt for flat dmg ?

[lost gale]

not for scaling DOT. Zombie vomit scales incredibly well with mana and the more multi per mana in the mage skill tree scales ailments

[pallid plume]

Or do you just care about mana more dmg cos it scales dots and dont care about flat dmg

[lost gale]

profane oblation is decent on controller

[pearl snow]

DoT wont really need CB

[lost gale]

skelly summoning is kind of auto targeting

[pallid plume]

Okay fire dot mages seems cool.

Could I play fire dot zoo (early on)

You got fire mages and the fire arrows on archer.

Im assuming the classic dot setup uses mages and you manaully cast zombies ?

[pearl snow]

Yeah, you can do like Fire Mages and Pyre golem early

Archers dont scale well

Sadly

[pallid plume]

Rip

[pallid plume]

Yeah its more the chaos bolt cycle gameplay I've done way too much already. But dot mages are a new thing

Does fire or necro change anything ?

Is there like minions have chance to ignite on weapons ?

[pearl snow]

Fire DoT can use Ash Wake and AoD

[lost gale]

dragonflame edict

[pearl snow]

You dont care for much ignite flat. Dragonflame is a thing

Lemme grab my link

Im currently at 500cr ish and comfy. I did the whole Omen stuff so far

[lost gale]

I know zombies don't need or want it but don't the mages?

[pearl snow]

Dragonflame isnt worth it over skill levels atm

IMO

Plus running HS

Kinda mute

To invest over generic scalers

[lost gale]

I do know of a very lazy zoo necro that can do c1000 but it requires some snapshotting at the start
nvm it was using rogues and they're ded rn AFAIK

[pallid plume]

Okay but for HC is dot mages valid.

Like mages just kill things and you got zombies gain ward on death stuff ?

[pearl snow]

Yeah, as far as HC viable you just build WAY SAFER

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxw7ZyG

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,518, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,074.47, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 225%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 14 Dex / 73 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 205% / 157% / 143% / 99% / 138% / 275% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,209)
▸ Block Chance: 58%, Mitigation: 31% (750)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Hungering Souls / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[pearl snow]

corruptions are for reference

Not needed at all

[lost gale]

I'd suggest abom blood specters but destruction engine is still bugged

you could do self cast blood specters easily enough I think

[pallid plume]

So im guessing you get the poison chance from auras of decay ect and then convert it all to ignite ?

Or is it more just raw dot over ailment dmg

[lost gale]

aura of decay is converted to fire with the boots

[pallid plume]

Ahh so id need the boots first then

Maybe profane is the play then

[lost gale]

profane does mean doing the chaos bolt thing you dont like tho

that's where a lot of the scaling comes from

[pallid plume]

I could skip chaos bolt

Im not pushing crazy corruption

Im basically wanting a starting to 300c to farm gear build

But not sure if zoo could even do 300c...

So profane mages with golem instead of CB or dot mages stuff

I did plan a profane build that didn't do any mana scaling which seems solid at 300c.

[jagged cobalt]

Is there a way to apply Spirit Plague automatically that I'm not seeing?

[lost gale]

there's a shield that applies it on melee hit

it's not good

[jagged cobalt]

Perfect! 🥹

[muted mist]

anybody tried zombies -> blood specters since the patch? I think we'd theorycrafted that out before the patch as another automation option

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsEYBYFYg

[lost gale]

I gave it a very quick go offline

didn't really optimise it

[pearl snow]

BOOTS NOT NEEDED I DID THIS WITH OYRE GOLEM UP UNTIL EMPOWERED

[lost gale]

it works, but abom is better because you get a dependable dread shade carrier and it doesn't sac the blood specters that are fighting

[pearl snow]

Pyre*

I really need to write my written guide for this

And make my final build update vid

I doubt im doing uber

[muted mist]

very frustrating they didn't fix the abom bug >_<

at least zombies are an option for people that really really want it fully automated

[jagged cobalt]

Yeah.. that's very.. a shield

[pallid plume]

Just wondering how does it compare to hit based mage stuff ?

Like are we talking similar dmg or techncially less ?

[lost gale]

crit hungering souls mages seem stronger with great gear

idk about with just like 1lp T7 gear

[pallid plume]

Yeah thats more the range I'll be spending more time at.

[pearl snow]

Crit is stronger and can do Uber.
DoT is solid with minimal gear

Scales well

But probably is going to cap out here soon

Granted I’m at 500+ cr so its not that bad

[lost gale]

minion dot is tough because it's hard to gear for

[pearl snow]

Fire DoT requires playing in melee so its

Sketchy sometimes

[pallid plume]

Ahh melee eww

[pearl snow]

For reference

[tender ridge]

imagine not being a melee enjoyer

[pearl snow]

I have 75% armor, 50% block and sometimes I go poof

Yeah you need melee for AoD

[tender ridge]

life is so simple in ungabunga land

[pallid plume]

Yeah its why I thought abom.

But a setup with skeleton / golem + tp mages + abom + dread + bone curse seems like its not going to be great

[tender ridge]

i've been thinking about a wings of discord LLW setup with phys ghostflame

[lost gale]

Damage per Minion Type Absorbed: +4% per point
Health per Minion Type Absorbed: +4% per point
and
Damage With All Types Absorbed: +20% per point
Attack Speed With All Types Absorbed: +20% per point
Movement Speed With All Types Absorbed: +20% per point

Are just too good to pass up and you can't really use them without swapping skills around

you can avoid respeccing stuff just fine and still be giga strong

[tender ridge]

but it would just be a worse bleed chaos bolts in the end so I haven't bothered lol

[pallid plume]

Yeah its just the swapping skills stuff.

Basically im travelling and on controller so its lots of smaller 30min sessions.

And doing that setup every 30mins of gameplay feels rough

Okay im gonna force zoo.

And when zoo start feeling bad ill test a non CB profane and if thats bad we go dot mages.

[tender ridge]

cold skellies are probably a lot better after the change to arrows making it into a full conversion

they kinda got powercrept but should be good through like 300c

[pallid plume]

Yeah i was not sure if fire vs cold was better.

Fire golem and fire magus are very solid.

[tender ridge]

cold skellies are where I go when I think of zoo necro

it was the first zoo build I did in LE

[lost gale]

Lich's Scorn is very good, but only if you lean in to snapshotting 135 or 150 flat with it

[tender ridge]

archers, cryomancers, ice golem, dread shade

[pallid plume]

Yeah bit fire mages got the buff this season

[tender ridge]

i haven't really been paying attention to what people are playing on acolyte tbh

[lost gale]

ice did too, went from 20% increased damage to 20% more damage behind cryo

[tender ridge]

i've been all in on upheaval and enjoying it

[lost gale]

shatter totem or ooga booga melee?

[pallid plume]

I see, I was thinking mages would die at 300c without the fire magus 20% more hp

[tender ridge]

single shot slammin self casts

it's fun for mapping but terrible at abby. stunlocks the timeline bosses tho

[lost gale]

the node that gives them leech also got changed to 15% more per point

[pallid plume]

Okay so cold dmg zoo with dread shade ?

No cold dmg wraith ect.

[tender ridge]

tbh survivability isn't really that bad for the ranged skellies. the biggest part is their scaling

[lost gale]

cold mages & cold archers could work

[tender ridge]

you kinda have to snapshot the lich's scorn buff to make them scale decently, and that gets annoying if your snapshot target dies

[pallid plume]

Cold skeleton, cold magus, cold golem. Dread shade.

What's last skill ?

[tender ridge]

i used harvest

[pallid plume]

Im also assuming we take the half skeleton but more hp stuff to keep them alive.

[tender ridge]

nah full skellies

golem should keep things distracted well enough

and skellies are disposable. the mages are what you want your dreadshade on though since they're inately more survivable

[pallid plume]

Would you go dual golem then ?

[lost gale]

you could stick to bone golem and spec rip blood to target minions

[tender ridge]

i never did. I just did a single cold golem

[lost gale]

retaliatory bone novas should do decently with lich's scorn's flat

[tender ridge]

its freeze spell is pretty good at keeping itself alive after taunting everything

[lost gale]

it'll keep your health or ward up too

wait you were saying about not playing long sessions

[pallid plume]

Maybe could spec transplant as 5th skill ?

[lost gale]

don't do lich's scorn

setting up a good lich's scorn snapshot is way more annoying than summoning abom

[tender ridge]

i'm gonna give a very big caveat: i am not a necro player. I just goof off with horde minion builds on occasion when I'm done with my primalist/sentinel shenanigans

[pallid plume]

Yeah basically want to just login summon minions and go

[tender ridge]

lich's scorn is still a fine item just on its own without hte snapshot

it works up through early empowered

if you're doing cold minions just converting the dreadshade bonus to cold is massive

[pallid plume]

Dread shade to cold is just via an item right ?

[tender ridge]

yes

normally it's necrotic

[lost gale]

f it go wraithlord then, it's not like it can't do 1k corruption

[tender ridge]

and it has a poison conversion on the skill tree

[lost gale]

and it is just summon and go

[pallid plume]

I did think about that was not sure how bad it is currently.

[tender ridge]

it's better than cold zoo

[pallid plume]

I guess we go cold zoo until I drop wraith lord then

[tender ridge]

i was just giving a zoo recommendation

[lost gale]

it can't do uber without absolutely giga (read: offline) gear or a lot of luck/skill

but it can do anything else

[tender ridge]

it's also easier to get lich's scorn than wraithlord imo

literally just kill formosius

[lost gale]

WL helm is not rare with rune of ascendance

it's quite a common result iirc

[tender ridge]

it's more rare than a guaranteed drop

[pallid plume]

Is there any good wraithlord guides.....

Everyone i know who used to play it now plays abom.

Im assuming i just take abom build and replace with wraiths mostly tho ?

[tender ridge]

no its a different build

realistically older wraithlord builds should still be fine

mechanically it hasn't changed since after they capped the bonus

pretty sure it still eats your bone prison

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer#intro

This build is old but the guy could do like 5k corruption with it

[stuck owl]

Keeper's Wraithlord Necromancer Build Guide

Game Version

Season 1: Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class

Acolyte / Necromancer

Used skills

• Infernal Shade
• Dread Shade
• Transplant
• Bone Curse
• Summon Wraith

Used unique items

• Wraithlord's Harbour
• Exsanguinous
• Usurper's Mandate
• Blood of the Exile
• Death Rattle
• Ambitions of an Erased Acolyte

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Arena / Minions

Created by keeper184 · Feb 20, 2025, 1:21 PM

[lost gale]

I guess working out which primordial etc is best is just part of the fun

[pallid plume]

Why that weapon ?

Is there not better options to just get minion dmg ?

[lost gale]

probably i

is*

[tender ridge]

Usurper's Mandate with the proper suffixes also provides massive minion damage. Use two affixes of minion spell damage or 1 spell damage and 1 necrotic pen for the best damage. This also adds 1 or 2 levels to summon wraith, further allowing for buffed damage and minion health.

[pallid plume]

Okay so we go cold zoo and hopefully drop the helmet....

[tender ridge]

it does give implicit minion necrotic pen which is pretty sick

dunno how point hungry wraithlord is

[pallid plume]

Rune of ass is 4% chance

[tender ridge]

if you end up liking cold zoo, apogee is great for it. good synergy with using harvest to buff your squad too

[pallid plume]

Yeah but id like to avoid harvest.

I think transplant as 5th skill would work well, bone armour on tp is solid defence.

[tender ridge]

another option is traversal mages

[pallid plume]

Yeah just not sure what 5th skill is then

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALPvjakA idk if this is actually well optimised but it's more recent

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 3: Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 5,379, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 203, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 175%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 58 Int / 8 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 78% / 58% / 76% / 98% / 102% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 1,076
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,624)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Transplant / Infernal Shade / Dread Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

This build has a guide:

Wraithlord Necromancer Endgame Build Guide! Now Tankier With 12K+ Ward! by Action RPG

[lost gale]

actually uses the current passive tree xD

[pallid plume]

Are you just manaully casting zombies ?

[boreal rampart]

How can I beef up my armor? I'm trying to get a bit tankier

[lost gale]

yeah it summons 5 zombies which give ward on death, have kill threshold and the WL eats them for a buff.

IDK if that's the best way to build it.

[tender ridge]

people used to have him eat the bone prison

idk if that still works or not

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/InVerTem/character/Azravel this is the highest WL player I can find on the LET ladder

[pallid plume]

Is the ladder online actually might be an option to yoink a build from

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/

you'll be scrolling a long way before you find a non-abom necro

[pallid plume]

Yeah but seems the best choice

There is a good amount of 200c with zoo tho

[raw surge]

what are some affixes/ uniques that have to do with converting life regen to ward or something similar

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsCZQRiA

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=Health Regen also applies to Ward&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[pallid plume]

To be fair dot mages is taking quite a few high places in HC ladder

Yeah weirdly on HC ladder for necro its all zoo or mages......

Im guessing HC is dead tho

[wintry flame]

most Necro builds are pretty laid back. But idk flavor of the month is Mages, probably any variant of them would be fine.

[raw surge]

my new and improved Octa-Curse DoT Warlock https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdx9Ngw

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Lich (12) / Warlock (69)

General:

▸ Health: 2,088, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 229.46, Regen: 16.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 285%, Regen: 208/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 23 Dex / 114 Int / 10 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 171% / 103% / 129% / 153% / 87% / 440% / 144%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 502
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,304)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Profane Veil

[willow verge]

Finishing building my necro zoo build. Got 600cc and I think that's it for the build. Lacks defensive layers to go beyond without suffering much

So. Any good abom build?

[eager coral]

I'm playing a build with skele mages using underlings to make my warriors into land mines. for tankyness, is Endurance/Block chance the way to go, or int/Mana stack potentially using cleaver a better route?

[lost gale]

for tankiness mountain shield with endurance stacking and T-rex relic works well but mana stacking is definitely more damage

[pearl snow]

Any abom build you find will prob be enough

[lost gale]

except for destruction engine ones

[pearl snow]

O rite

[lost gale]

those only exist in our hearts right now

[pearl snow]

Same with my ignite zombies killing ubby kekw

[lost gale]

necro or warlock?

[pearl snow]

Necro

I know I can swap to crit hs

But meh

[lost gale]

ignite zombs sounds cool to me

[willow verge]

its a nice build.

only got 1k mana though. cant manage to farm 4525245 gold for the double mana idols.

[lost gale]

kind of imagine it as the acolyte filling her zombies with napalm

[pearl snow]

I gotta hunt down a better Wall of Nothing with mana gained as ward

[pearl snow]

I wish there was a cold convert on em lol

Frostbite plus chilly golem would be cool af

[lost gale]

filling her zombies with iced coffee?

[pearl snow]

Hell yeah

Frostee Freeze Zombies

[lost gale]

with all the scaling zombies get if you blow them up with CB I'd think lich's scorn cold crit zombies would be pretty good

[pearl snow]

Thats true

Might try it once my ignite push dies

[lost gale]

you could use unspec abom to devour skeletons to trigger more zombies & be your dread shade donkey

[pearl snow]

Thats an idea

Been having zombies auto cast shade atm

[calm dome]

anyone have experience with poison spec abom?

using the aura of decay node on abom

[lost gale]

I've never tried it but it seems like no more than a meme

Abom gets tons and tons of generic damage scaling, so it's not terrible, but I wouldn't bet against your Abom's melee attacks doing more damage than the poison even if you geared for the poison

[calm dome]

just been looking at different angles for a poison minion build that isn't just rogues. Just pure poison zombies with poison dread shade seems to be nice but what else other than aod to go with them

[pearl snow]

Mages can poison

HS can also poison

Mana scaler too

[calm dome]

the mana scaling on hungering souls only affects the hit damage and the posses damage over time though

pyro mage for some reason does have increased poison pen and duration on their tree

I think it is odd they convert only poison chance from tree then they add this node

[lost gale]

yeah, incomplete ailment conversions are just bad

@winged flame did you find that it was just the reforged sinathia affix which was broken or was the actual set mace broken too?

[winged flame]

Affix is broken, curse spell damage is also not applied to every curse but that seems to be already known

[lost gale]

insha'allah it will be fixed along with destruction engine Soon

I actually really want that kind of meme put every curse on them warlock approach to be decent

[winged flame]

Yeah me too, hope it will get fixed soon and before s5

[weak atlas]

Is there a way to increase difficulty and thus loot drop chance?:)

[humble abyss]

question: does spine of malatros remove the necrotic tag from cthonic fissure?

[lost gale]

increase corruption in empowered monoliths

[plush loom]

Does - cost of spells apply to mana drains like aura of decay or bone curse aura?

[calm dome]

My wishlist for Acolyte:

1. Necrotic convert Aura of Decay
2. Wandering spirit node that makes it scale with minion damage rather than your own damage

[pearl snow]

No

Only way to convert the skill is on the tree

[humble abyss]

Okay so it just wont fire spirits/apply torment*, but itll still count as a necrotic spell

[pearl snow]

Yes, it just replaces behavior

This season converting to Physical or Poison makes the Whips scale with the respective bleed or poison chance

But that changes the tag obviously

[humble abyss]

Right

[pearl snow]

And whips themselves dont do necrotic

[humble abyss]

Okay thats good to know, thanks!

[sly forge]

Not long. You found them in page 1. The very rank 1 build is blood spectre

We have zombie dot hs mage ranking 31

Then blood spectre again at 35-36

Btw

Aside from blood spectre

Which class is best for sacrifice (player damage) build?

Last season was lich

But not sure this season

[noble flame]

Can Sacrifice triggered by Dread Shade or Zombies create Blood Wraiths?

[frail pebble]

when the Dread Shade skill tree says it "affects minions in a larger area and grants more damage" does that mean an actual more multiplier or is it just modifying the added/increased damage granted by the shade buff?

[hollow flint]

They actually do for the poison converted whips

[hushed dew]

how did you fill the defensive layer for this?

[sly forge]

health and int?

like lich literally has added armor based on int when transforming?

and this build has 220+ int

also I converted all ints into madness

because it would be stupid not to do so with that amount of int

[pearl snow]

Does it? I had asked and Mike said Poison Skills and Converts are always Phys underlying

[hollow flint]

I tested it, they even scale with more necrotic damage from crit multi

[pearl snow]

Interesting

[hushed dew]

actually i was building a beamer lich in MP so i'm interested if your build is viable online, or just 4LP SP only

[sly forge]

hmm, it is harder to have good gear than mana flay

you need 2-3 lp gears to have int, mana and some health

[hushed dew]

3lp is fine, 4lp is too unrealistic imo

how do you sustain mana so well xd

i guess getting 100% crit is also quite hard, must be challenging to get those gears in mp for sure

[sly forge]

I stack a lot of mana

[hushed dew]

but it looks fun to gather those stuffs

[sly forge]

and stack crit affix in rings

since there is no mana affix available in rings

[hushed dew]

and base crit from the unique gloves?

[sly forge]

gloves and shattered world

[hushed dew]

understood

[sly forge]

ideally you might need 3 lp

stack int and mana

and the final is for health and resistance if you want

also armor if you are lacking

or you can replace some int or mana for def

it's requires more lp items than mana flay

I prefer int over mana right now

because int gives cast speed, madness and beam frequency

this build with 3+ lp7 is S tier

because the damage comes from prefixes

so if you have 2lp7 prefixes on every gear and corruption you can achieve the same damage like the video

[hushed dew]

yeah stygian mana scaling is not great

I assume you can give up some mana from idols and get spell damage cause flat spd from idols has great efficiency

[sly forge]

hmm, half of my idol is humble idol giving flat spell

while the other half gives mana

[hushed dew]

I finished my ash zombie warlock and i needed something else to challenge anyways xD

[sly forge]

but you can see that my mana is almost full

so scaling is actually great

[sly forge]

go for crit HS mage

[short bronze]

Some dumb question but DID they change bone curse anyhow? I wanna try to play duo build with one playing spamm effects and proc my bone curse over and over again does it still work?

[sly forge]

.

[hushed dew]

i mean it's y=x scaling, not double or triple dip and tbh at some point it gets much harder to have more mana , after you get T7 mana affix on all your gears

mana idols are mostly not the best way mathematically, unless you double dip mana

[sly forge]

ah ok

well if you have sufficient lp I think you still should try to scale mana

[hushed dew]

on gears ofc i need them, i mean on idols

should do proper math again tho

[sly forge]

yeah

[hushed dew]

and mana idols cost a lot xd

[sly forge]

I love the build

[hushed dew]

i love the beamer too

[sly forge]

maxroll just place them wrong tier

[hushed dew]

dont even need to aim

zombie warlock too, their zombie build is completely wrong tbh

[sly forge]

how is warlock?

have not tried it

[sly forge]

btw you could try this

[hushed dew]

it's just fine, chill farming around 2k corruption

[sly forge]

it has only average tankiness

[hushed dew]

no problem with using both new boots and ghostflame

[sly forge]

still you can stay behind mages for survival

[hushed dew]

i did uber with it it took like 2min i think? it can be much shorter if i get more cooldown

mage was my starter xd

[sly forge]

crit HS mage?

[hushed dew]

zombie warlock

[sly forge]

oh

for me I don't want to add more sustains for my mage build

since sustain is done by letting the mages to the work

they will one shot things anyway

[sly forge]

and the seed helm

20% dmg dealt to mana before health

and dread shade

it has average tankiness and farming

[hushed dew]

i don't even know how to get good sustain for mage builds

it was enough till C500

[sly forge]

for farming I think you could switch to shield

[hushed dew]

transient boots and some passive wards, those were all i could get

[sly forge]

my vid is to min-max dmg

it also requires some ward granting corruption

for sustain

so my sustain comes from i) ward, ii) seed helm and insane mana, iii) dread shade buff

unfortunately its sustain is not higher than flame wraith

[hushed dew]

mages die

[sly forge]

because flame wraith is summoning wraith safely

[hushed dew]

that was soooo annoying

[sly forge]

wait how?

I take 2-3 node that gives them more health

[hushed dew]

mages get 1 shot in high corruptions

[sly forge]

and slam minion health in belt

[willow verge]

may i see your character?

[sly forge]

let me check my minion health again

[hushed dew]

especially mages with dread shade on their head died a lot

[sly forge]

well they takes 30% increased dmg so

[sly forge]

that's confusing

[civic cave]

anybody play lich build

[sly forge]

I dont remember slamming much minion health

[civic cave]

?*

[sly forge]

and they still tank uber's necrotic bolt

[vivid valve]

I see most aboms on ladder are now hp builds. How do they regen hp?

[sly forge]

@hushed dew yeah I only slam one minion health affix in my belt

[hushed dew]

i forgot huw much minion health i put on gears

but they sometimes died in C500 xd

3 points in mage health node

[sly forge]

and slam corrupted vitality on my boot

I have 4 points

I have 458% minion health in total

and 4 point in mage health node

and 127 int

I maxed the crit multiplier and health gained on crit node

[hushed dew]

i think your minions gna be fine till around 1000C?

i don't think they can survive real high corruptions

[sly forge]

I am farming 2000 corruption with no problem

only I die due to careless

mages don't die

[vivid valve]

Who here play abom Necro hp setup

How do you regen hp

[sly forge]

I don't even invest much on minion health

[hushed dew]

lol that's interesting

[sly forge]

I'm uploading

the video

not great farmer

@hushed dew https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vh2L1eHax4UU2XHaSeDhIt6cVNuQiVkA/view?usp=sharing

you can see that in the beginning my mage only has 458% increased health

and none of them died during 2083 corruption

only I almost died

[muted mist]

Aura of Decay, which got nerfed this patch, or go low life and rely on ward. If you're asking specifically about not going low life, there are no good options, have fun stacking some HP regen 🙁

[vivid valve]

Damn

Cause I'm looking at guy top of ladder is hp but no hp regen methods that I can see

[sly forge]

@hushed dew I think the farming speed is the same for lesser gear

because the mages will one shot things anyway

how do you think?

[calm dome]

If I use The Ghost Maker with Wraithlord, does it just resummon the Wraithlord constantly?

I might try poison minions with wraithlord, poison wraiths and zombies

[wintry flame]

which guy?

[weak atlas]

Hi! I am very lost as to what makes a good idol altar, what should I be looking for? I’ve saved like a dozen I’ve found.. but kind of need some help to figure out what’s good and what’s not..what are you guys running to boost dmg

[wintry flame]

it will resummon wraithlord when it procs yeah

[sly forge]

@hushed dew and by carefully moving I can even do omen at 2k corruption :)))

[hushed dew]

actually that's more interesting, minions suck for omens xd

mana pool lol

2500

i guess you got some lucky corruptions??

[sly forge]

offline

mod

but yeah that requires lucky

if you go online

[wintry flame]

you can snapshot the % more dmg in mages

so with Celestial Doom or even Executioner's you can get to 2.5k+ mana and summon mages

in online

[sly forge]

all this is done with only 450% minion increased healths

if you lose the corrupted mana affixes you have around 1.9k-2k mana which is still good

[wintry flame]

yeah think for minion hp as long as you have line 300%+ increased, some armor, and like single 30%+ hp multiplier is good for most minions

[sly forge]

also mage one shots anything so I don't worry a lot

on lower gear it's the same

[wintry flame]

if only skulls pierced