💀┃acolyte

[abstract summit]

still poggers ring

[terse barn]

Im between going for the maxroll profane veil build and oray i actually get the gear i need or maybe shift to the witchfire build my rng will decide at this rate

[elder imp]

guys i currently am a little stuck on what i should be doing with the warlock character i have, i tried for a little to see how the zombie gameplay works and didnt feel good at all i felt very limited and i then tried to see if rip blood warlock works and couldnt make it work currenlty i went back to the warlock leveling guide instead https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/NedraRubio/character/ZoZoMbie
any help would be nice

[shadow valley]

yeah you have no gear, both zombie and rip blood are gear depenedent late game builds

so you did good to go back to the leveling

continue, choose a build you want to swap to later and gather the gear for it

[night hemlock]

Zombie is just clunky and feels bad imo regardless of gear

[fervent seal]

I don't have the shield yet so I'll probably try using historian of eterra oh until I get the shield

[elder imp]

zombie didnt feel like it played smoothly so im looking at rip blood but its gameplay is still a little weird with the constand aura and bone curse but i dont know how to progress right now i can barely do t4 heart or try to do t4 julra

[shadow valley]

imho just a rare crafted shield

[shadow valley]

you don't need to do t4 julra

[night hemlock]

I ended up settling for Cold RF (Fire Aura)

[shadow valley]

how it's going?

[night hemlock]

I like it a lot, not sure how well it's going to be against bosses though

[elder imp]

any tips on how i should move forward from this spot im looking for rip blood, but as you said i barely have the uniques for it

[white lagoon]

can wraithlord be converted into the other wraith options or just one style of wraithlord

[shadow valley]

one style

[ashen bluff]

oof

[elder imp]

sadge

[shadow valley]

1. have all the necessary uniques and exalts for the rip blood on filter
2. continue with your corruption, get your blessings sorted

use prophecies and nemesis to get the uniques

[night hemlock]

TL;DR: Have gear, play game

Got it

[obtuse quest]

He cannot be converted, but the wraiths he summons follow the skill’s converts

[fervent seal]

I think I like Minion skills too much haha

[shadow valley]

I mean, if you're not dying, sure

[ashen bluff]

EoD version, farming in 660c easily cba to push more yet, some slams and corrupts failed today D:
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdX8kwj

also corrupted like 40 idols today where are my bees

[candid bough]

whats the best way to genereate an army of minions to sac, zombies, bee's? something else

[fervent seal]

Whoa chaos bolts is funky with that build

[unreal hill]

Bees per second might be good passively.

[ashen bluff]

spammin skeleton

technically bees from belt mod is the most you can get the quickest but then nothing until you get flasks again

you can automate zombies from another minions dying

[candid bough]

but does that require me to cast them?

I should have been more specific and said a passive way to generate and army to sac

[ashen bluff]

skeletons with maxed chance to ress + zombies node chance to cast on death + bees

[night hemlock]

Gotta make sure those minions are extra immune lol

[unreal hill]

too many benefits from these auras but I do miss being able to do melee without a screen wide aoe

also still hoping we get a update where aod and bone curse auras don't need to be toggled every map

[candid bough]

Thanks

[stark prism]

@wintry flame Did my own testing (live) and i confirm that the individual operator node of skeletons doesnt do anything (setup was 5 rogues / 4 warriors)

I submited a bug report

[wintry flame]

I reported it as well thank you for checking. Anyone playing Necro should just report it😂

[fervent seal]

Do the bees on the idols benefit the damage scaling per Minion? Cause that's pretty damn cool

[wintry flame]

For the Hungering Souls node, yes

[ashen bluff]

Whos playing skeletons tho?

[elder imp]

question how is the build so far im trying to get to it after having a hard time yesterday and today, im slowly now trying to farm out at least a copy of everything

[wintry flame]

Truuuuu which is why I rather them get reports and fix it now😂

[ashen bluff]

They need to fix zombies first! >:( wdym I can just not take the node for leap and it's fine

[tender ridge]

for ghostflame, does the flames of misery ignite/damned chance apply if you've taken the phys conversion, or does all of your global ignite/damned get converted to bleed first so that flames of misery does nothing?

[unreal hill]

it's pretty tanky, damage is super low though so trying to figure out how to scale it.
corrupted form is pretty mandatory imo because you can kill yourself with bleed without it even when exsang is equipped.

I can toss ya a copy of my build atm to give you an idea of what to prioritize while leveling

[elder imp]

could you send me so i can see what i can expect

[unreal hill]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP69nDev it's pretty early into the build, still trying to get it online

but it's working in monos so far

[old hull]

It has been a little while since I messed with these, but iirc your char sheet ignite and damned chance effectively get applied as bleed chance per second at the rate given by Flames of Misery.

[tender ridge]

yeah i looked through the ask-the-devs chat and saw your post from september

i feel like you could make a pretty cool bleed lawnmower with the phys conversion and autocasting marrow shards novas

[old hull]

Hah it all goes in a circle I guess

[old hull]

Yeah, with marrow shards buffed that could be a good option, maybe we can throw in auto-summon zombies to proc more for us

[tender ridge]

feels like you need a ton of points on ghostflame to make it work. you could ignore all the added bleed chance and stuff on ghostflame itself and just use it as a vessel to autocast marrow shards while moving around

but then you're just playing warpath but acolyte

[old hull]

Ghostflame is definitely a points hog

[tender ridge]

it also has very little damage bonus for the ailments it applies

[old hull]

Ahh, but it's gotta be super cool to have circle GF + AoD both applying bleed for 0 damage

[elder imp]

should i take off these nodes? and put them to these other ones

[fallen knoll]

U dont need abom at all. The pyre golems get stacks from kindling just from resummoning mages. I am playing Aaron's Will pyre golems and tested it. Just spamming mages they def get the dmg bonus

its hard to keep all 10 stacks up, need some regen but its very strong, in 350 corr atm

its kinda inconsistent now in LE tho that some "death" effects triggers only on minion death but some like this one work on ressumoning as well

[abstract summit]

why wouldnt you proc it simply with explo zombos?

less mana, also gives you ward, mages can keep casting

ah you meant proccing kindling not edict, mah bad lol

[lost gale]

edict?
oh dragonflame edict

[lost gale]

should cost you about 21 mana/s, more if any skellies die

[fallen knoll]

yep and some cast speed as well, but it doesnt matter if they die, golems still get stack

[tender ridge]

okay we use ghostflame autocasting shards for tanky rares and bosses, bleed fissure summoning zombies which cast shards for clear

self-torment node for the spell damage buff

it's genius

[lost gale]

yeah but you have to summon up to the limit to keep going with that method and you're not really going to notice that you don't need to summon 1 or 2 mages because they died

[lost gale]

you need a lot of points in Ghost Flame... Spine of Malatross can add either 6 or 9 points depending on fire/necrotic or phys and it also gives you a good single target option

can't self torment tho I guess

I don't think the triggered MShards would use the snapshot self-torment flat anyway

[tender ridge]

considering it's a bleed build the self-torment doesn't do much other than just buff the direct damage of shards and flame lel

[calm dome]

the zombie node for chthonic fissure is lack luster tbh

[tender ridge]

yeah it's not good

[calm dome]

but I see your vision

[lost gale]

harvest is kinda good at triggering summon zombie, not sure how you fit that in though

[tender ridge]

the idea is that you can get three fissures making zombies instead of just one making spirits

[old hull]

Does the flat spell per ignite chance on fissure still not convert to scale with bleed chance?

[tender ridge]

it's supposed to

[old hull]

I guess it's not super important since it's not intended to scale spell damage, but would be nice

[tender ridge]

I've never played with it

it's also only the initial hit from fissure

basically turning it into a nuke

[calm dome]

TIL: Harvest can trigger summon zombies. I never noticed that node

[old hull]

There were some wonky interactions with the conversions in fissure last I tried, I can't keep it all straight lol

[lost gale]

that stuff is meant to work for the whips too right?

[lost gale]

the obvious synergy is chaos bolt triggering harvest and blowing up zombies but idk if anyone's really built for that

[tender ridge]

it might, but the way the node is worded it applies to the initial hit that the preceding node gives it

[lost gale]

Chthonic Fissure's Skill Tree applies to Flame Whip from all sources
Nodes that affect the fissure and initial hit apply to flame whip, but nodes that only affect the spirits do not.

[old hull]

Yeah

[tender ridge]

oh neat

[old hull]

Flame whips do convert now too, before they didn't

[lost gale]

Ailment chance is counted before being converted.
bleed gloves BTFO

[old hull]

so maybe it'll work nicely

[tender ridge]

oh that's actually sick. you could make a pretty cool phys whip build that way

[lost gale]

assuming everything works as advertised

[tender ridge]

it would probably be a lot worse than normal whipper lock though. that build was already capable of outright stunning uberoth with its damage output

[old hull]

Not a lot of synergy in fissure tree for bleed whips

[lost gale]

Ash Cloud 0/3
The Fissure's initial impact now spreads all of your ignite stacks from the target to nearby enemies up to a maximum.
Fissure Spreads Ignite Stacks
Maximum Targets: 2 per point

does this work with whips?

[tender ridge]

fissure tree in general is kinda wonky

it has a lot of direct-damage modifiers but the direct damage of fissure is incredibly low

the ailments that it applies do very little damage too. all the damage from fissure comes from spirits or whips

[old hull]

It does, I don't remember if it converts or not

[lost gale]

oh yeah grasp of the undying is worthless

[honest bronze]

Does Misery and Merciless stack in Bone Curse tree? I mean will Merciless give more Necrotic damage instead of Physical?

[old hull]

Merciless does not convert

[lost gale]

nope

[brazen steppe]

how to get +4 abom relic in cof? i didnt get a single one +3 or +4

[honest meteor]

get more prophecies

[honest bronze]

The last time I played was Season 2. Is the low life build on Ward still good, or is it not worth it? Intelligence now only gives 2% Ward Retention

[peak stirrup]

i jsut rune of havoc

[night hemlock]

If you don't have a +4 Abom Relic, just drop one

https://tenor.com/view/just-house-totally-duh-gif-23663188

But yeah, Rune of Havoc and prophecies is your best bet

[brazen steppe]

i have 0 shard for abom so it will be hard to rune of havoc one

updated my filter so it can see +lvl of abom xD

[quiet seal]

I had the same experience last season, I ended up using Havoc to get one.

[abstract summit]

For peeps perpetually out if havocs rampant coast beast echoes also drop it fairly frequently, add it to your imprints for some extra free juice

They nerfed the proc chance from last season but still more than nothing

[turbid kayak]

so 2x hallow fingers is better htan 2 phantom rings?

all the top necros i see use that now

for Abom

[brazen steppe]

where do u see other builds?

[turbid kayak]

Corruption leaderboard

they also aren't using ward

but thats probably due to big stacked endurance

[brazen steppe]

yeh but how u see their gear there? i can only see their 5 main skill

[turbid kayak]

gotta use the website

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/shattered-omens/latest/softcore-1p/corruption/necromancer

[brazen steppe]

oh ty

[turbid kayak]

im having trouble w/ the build myself since i didn't play much

like how are you guys sustaining AOD

i have no hp regen

spammin gpotions?

Having such a hard time w/ this class

[brazen steppe]

no idea i play necrotic dmg version

[turbid kayak]

it seems the guides all miss the basics

is there no one like Frozen Sentinel for Necro?

[brazen steppe]

u need ward regen based on missing ward and cap phys res i guess

[turbid kayak]

like i can't even get this to function

and the season has so few players to help

[turbid kayak]

thats not feasible for a newer player its super expensive

[brazen steppe]

its not expensive if u play cof

[turbid kayak]

my RM is like 100x easier to gear but i dont have funo n it

wanna play necro 🙁

can i just not use aura of decay until like 1k+ corruption or whatever

[honest meteor]

i mean it's so good tho

[turbid kayak]

how do i sustain it?

spam pots?

[weary dust]

usually just "be a ward build"

[turbid kayak]

hmm i can't afford that one

im surprsied how squishy this build is.

my rm is like 10x more tanky

Is there another build to do until like 200 corruptin that is easy to gear

for MG

[honest meteor]

Anybody playing Rip Blood? I have a couple of questions

Why is everyone i see using Coagolated Blood?

[turbid kayak]

are you guys applying infernal shade and then respeccing the skill

[brazen steppe]

Its actually cheap to sustain, considering 2k hp then u got 50% ward per sec so 1k per sec at 300 retention so easy 5-6k ward, ward retention nerfs only affect longer charge ups when not getting hit and also slows down it a bit but its not that huge nerf as it look on paper

75% phys res, 34% dmg redirected to minions, less phys dmg taken (aura of decay) all adds up and u take almost no dmg

[turbid kayak]

i put on last step and the passiv eim at 1.5k ward

[honest bronze]

also you can reach 100% block chance with Monument of protection

[brazen steppe]

I have 4k ward rn (6k in combat) with crap gear and 24% ward per sec

[turbid kayak]

my gear is more crap

can you link your character maybe i can try to buy that stuff

instead of these high end guides

[azure dawn]

did you guys see the uber kill with bees?

hilarious

[brazen steppe]

Im not using aura of decay cuz my abom does only necro dmg

At 250 corruption 1 shotting everything rn

[turbid kayak]

what weapons you use

[brazen steppe]

Random crap 2 handed with 1 lp +45 minion melee

[turbid kayak]

hmm

chest and boots?

[brazen steppe]

15% ward regen boot and that body armor everyone use (0lp)

9% ward regen glove

And minion dmg% everywhere

[brazen steppe]

Cant rn doesnt load leaderboards on phone

[paper perch]

So i wasted my 21.5k for this shit, how else should i get legendary potential on it?

[vital verge]

Corrupt and pray for a good hit

[paper perch]

good hit

[pearl snow]

Lol

You can use legendaries to reroll uniques too

For the stat rolls

[paper perch]

what you mean?

[winged flame]

It means you need to buy another, if it's 1LP and bad roll you can sacrifice that one to re-roll the stats on the new one

[paper perch]

oh okay, well need to farm 21.5k bones again lol

takes so long :/

[turbid kayak]

for abom do you all do the infernal shade trick?

respec/despec

[pearl snow]

21k shouldnt be too bad. I’ve bought nearly 8 bone wands already. Just make sure to grab the rift beast node on the weaver tree for them to be joined by random small beasts that drop bones

[vital verge]

Spec bone drop evolutions, Weaver for extra beasts, look for primal echo chains

[pearl snow]

^ that too. The primal chains are amazing

[paper perch]

what are primal echo chains=?

[tender ridge]

echo chains for rift beasts. you'll see a series of linked echoes that all have a rift beast icon

they're guaranteed to have a rift beast spawn, and the last one has bonus material drops it seems like

[turbid kayak]

can Abom stomp CD get to 0?

with enough CDR

[glacial vector]

Why my abomination dissapearing when i using Infernal shade?

[sly forge]

hmm

after seeing how crazy fire HS mage is, I wonder how is the damage of self-cast HS warlock?

[tender ridge]

my guess would be not great

there's a lot of things going on for death knights that make it good

gets boosted by your minion damage and mages' stats, don't have much opportunity cost for the more-per-minion nodes

[tender halo]

Anyone playing action RPG crit HS mage build? How goes the progression? Almost at 200c damage seems fine but a bit squishy if I get lazy dodging

[obtuse quest]

No. Nothing can hit 0 CD

[obtuse quest]

Did abom eat itself?

[wintry flame]

The best sustain and ehp avenues for Necro are regen/hp or low life.

[boreal rampart]

is the %missing health as ward stat bad? or can it be stacked up enough to give a good amount of effective health

[wintry flame]

It's good

[boreal rampart]

like are the boots and a glove affix enough or does it need more

[wintry flame]

I'd say bare minimum be around 1800+ hp before using it and have 100% retention with 25% total missing hp as ward.

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

you can plug in various values here to see what might be worth. Essentially a good sustain value so ward/s and a higher ehp than health would be ideal.

[weak atlas]

I set my loot filter to hide rares, is that okay? Trying to improve overall, and felt like I’m picking up so much trash.

Like my rule hide common, rare, and magic

[marsh slate]

Whoever kept recommending mana flay, thank you! I swapped with the bear minimum gear from my AoD fire + Righteous to this, and it's night and day. I can't imagine how this feels with good gear.

[glacial vector]

i found issue it was node when minion consumed by potion

[abstract summit]

Slappy

[marsh slate]

Is there a preferred version to follow? Doing the maxroll one now, but there was a whole bunch of variants on lastepochbuilds

[abstract summit]

No clue which version maxroll took over, but you will have so much damage with good gear you can drop a lot and go full hp stack with corrupted form for mapping, i think Bzw had a good planner for that last season

For uber you want to have a full glass cannon set with 2 lp julras, valeroot, uniques with base mana slammed with flat mana and % mana and corrupted with mana, scornful specced. Noobzor is the name to search for that

[marsh slate]

Excellent, ty!

[dawn plinth]

15 abs down and no chest, back to the mines 🙁

[abstract summit]

#💀┃acolyte message

Tithe, traitor in off hand, pale ox, double red rings or one red + 1 font of the erased, brewmaster, skin boots or mountain, ekidrassil, nihilis, uber gloves, and ofc mana slammed reliquary

That's kinda the end game mapping goal, more lps the better

[raw surge]

could someone share some thoughts on my current build direction if i post it

[marsh slate]

K, that lines up with the maxroll gear. I have crap rings, helm, necklace, and belt and only single LP on the other stuff, but having way more fun grinding with this.

[raw surge]

My Septa-Curse DoT Warlock https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Z1XOYy

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (7) / Warlock (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,740, Regen: 18.2/s
▸ Mana: 332.4, Regen: 17.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 282%, Regen: 202/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 8 Dex / 111 Int / 7 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 121% / 135% / 106% / 58% / 250% / 114%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 348
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (133)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (446)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 27%

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Transplant

[raw surge]

Still want to go for the 3 set bonus of Isadoras

Other than that im just seeing where it takes me

[willow verge]

@pearl snow hi, master. how are u:

[storm berry]

can you not get corrupted stats on set pieces anymore? I've corrupted 4 bee chest pieces and none of them have added stats

[raw surge]

dont think you ever could

[noble flame]

Pretty sure it's just amulets

[raw surge]

Seeing as how theyve never been modifiable

You would need a reforged item then corrupt it

[old hull]

Yeah, never been able to get extra stats on set items, they can only be reforged or rerolled

[storm berry]

oh dang...whelp that sucks

[raw surge]

Reforged gives you the possibility for 7 affixes though

and it also being part of a set

[old hull]

It is possible to get an actual corrupted affix when corrupting a set, but it has to basically reforge -> add affix

[raw surge]

wdym

You can add a reforged affix to something then corrupt it for a potential corrupted affix

oh nvm thought you were asking

You could have an item that has 4 base affixes, set bonuses, a sealed affix, a sealed corrupted affix, and a sealed primordial affix

[storm berry]

makes sense...means i'm at the mercy of rngeezus all i wanted was the bee chest piece with the corrupted affix of giving more attributes with atleast 7 corrupted pieces equipped

[old hull]

Oh yeah, trying to go for a specific corrupted affix will always be a tough gamble

[abstract summit]

Chest corrupts are kinda goated, 2 mana rolls, the extra attributes, lot of juicy stuff
Ammy corrupt on the other is super risky, you get a wrong attribute conversion and get bricked

[pearl snow]

Waddup

[boreal rampart]

will volatile zombie use extra mana and create a vanguard when I am already at maximum vanguards?

[obtuse quest]

Spirit Plague: COntagion is L when you can just make it self spread to infinity via Discharge. Plague does jackall.

Eye of Damnation? I hope you aren't doing it for the Damned chance.
No Harrowing Armour Threshold bonus on a setup that would massively benefit from it?

[raw surge]

i meant to finish the harrowing armour, also whats wrong with the 36% damn/ necro damage? more efficient nodes somewhere else?

[glacial vector]

So what about minions in S4? How they're feeling themself

[raw surge]

Also Im always SSF and never look up/ follow a build, just for context, i like playing around with stuff myself and trying to make stuff work with what i have

but your right about the plague i could probably find a better spot for the point

seeing as how its not a curse/ spell/ or necro

[boreal rampart]

I'm trying to squeeze a few more minions into my volatile zombie/mage build so that I can get ideally 9 stable infernal shades up for the dread shade lich set but I can't figure out where I can get some extra minions, I have 5 mages and I was thinking maybe I get 3 vanguards free but the vanguards constantly resummon and drop the infernal shades so

does anyone have any ideas?

[tender ridge]

contagion is a really underrated QoL for spirit plague imo

don't have to wait for any spread

[raw surge]

thats what i was thinking

If im really looking for damage id go all the way up to the 75%/ doesnt spread node but i dont have the points for it

Ive thought about going Sinthias mace and the primordial ring for the set bonus, I just think id be taking too big a hit to my overall spell damage but im not sure

[obtuse quest]

Generally yeah, base class nodes are less efficent unless you're mighty desperate or it's effect doesn't exist anywhere else.

[obtuse quest]

They also have the spread on hit node so.

[raw surge]

I probably dont need the spread on hit and contagion, but theres really nothing else i want in the tree

[obtuse quest]

Discharge + Enough points in (Efficacious + Preptuity) to keep it right under +100% duration allows it to infinitely spread, potentially spreading every pack you pass through from a signle cast.

Otherwise, yeah, there isn't much

[turbid kayak]

what do i do in the 4/4 Omens i died in .005 seconds

i now have max resist and crit avoid

not empowered mono yet

[raw surge]

in the what?

[turbid kayak]

the final omen chain thing

is this for only like 2lp full geared

[raw surge]

oh yeah i got spanked in my first one a handful of times

[turbid kayak]

thre was 10,000 mobs and i die every millisecond

my abom can't kill them all

is this to be avoided until i get insane gear

[raw surge]

Im assuming its worse for certain builds, especially single summon necro

for that build, maybe

[turbid kayak]

i know people keep getting mad at me when i say it, but i find poe2 easier lol.

[raw surge]

it shouldnt be that hard, especially in a lower level area, but your build might just be counterintuitive to it

[raw surge]

crazy talk lol, to each their own though

[turbid kayak]

i dont die this fast in poe2 lol

also the 10 fps doesn't help

[raw surge]

is there no like area damage for abom?

[turbid kayak]

its small also the mobs dont stop comming

[raw surge]

yeah those greater windows with the two guys buffing them to the moon and summoning 100 people is rough

[turbid kayak]

but more importantly, im losing like 30% hp per half second and i have no sustain since its abom build

i'm assuming i should only do this once i get insane streamer gear

[raw surge]

you almost need a aoe build, or crazy survivability

[proud frigate]

Hi, just want to ask, what could scale better/easier, rip blood warlock or harvest flay lich?, i know lich can go into mana but how is the playstyle etc?

[obtuse quest]

On a pure scaling marker: Flay.

[proud frigate]

WHat about clear/ AoE and maybe survi? i feel like some monsters hit like trucks, played a bit on sentintel but just don't want to play sentinel build for another season straight

[turbid kayak]

is Mana Flay tankier than Abom?

build

[obtuse quest]

Lich in general has better survivality. Warlock probably has slightly better clear but flay deletes bosses compared to it.

Acolyte never has better defenses than Sentinel.

[obtuse quest]

At max gear yes.

Before that both are equalish

[tender ridge]

just found a 3LP shroud of obscurity

[turbid kayak]

by max gear like lp2-3 all?

[wintry flame]

Not to one up you but I have a 4lp and one with 8% missing life gained as ward 😏

[obtuse quest]

Whatever possible LP is for the uniques, yes.

(Some can hit 4lp)

[tender ridge]

lol

[turbid kayak]

oh nvmind then 😄

ill stick w/ abom

i was able to do this 4/4 omen thingy by spamming A and being like dark souls dodging

[proud frigate]

Okay, then could you tell me what to look for when building defences in this game? cause the death log doesn't help, sometimes i feel like i got 100% to 0% in 1-2 hits,

[turbid kayak]

i gotta macro that to bone curse, command pet A

[tender ridge]

i like shroud of obscurity. it's like exsanguinous's forgotten cousin

[turbid kayak]

which do u like better

[wintry flame]

getting a t7 of that mod I have would be huge

[tender ridge]

exsang is the better item

[turbid kayak]

btw are you people who mostly play Abom doing 2x phanom or 2x fingers

[wintry flame]

imagine another 15% on it 😛

[turbid kayak]

or snapshotting fingers if that works

[tender ridge]

3LP spoooon

[obtuse quest]

It's sadly, class and sometimes build dependant.

[tender ridge]

which i will probably never use

[obtuse quest]

Eg:Acolyte doesn't use block or dodge by default while Sentinel does for block, for example.

[turbid kayak]

looks like these endurance stacking abom builds are tanky

w/ the block shield, once u get real high end

[proud frigate]

Yeah, maybe stacking endurance is the way,

[turbid kayak]

ill switch to that once i got the gold

for now im ward and its okay

[hushed dew]

lol what kind of bug this is, profane veil doesn't consume minions at all

[obtuse quest]

According to another person, it works once every two casts.

At this rate it's about to become a known bug

[hushed dew]

in my case, it never consumes

no bone prison, no skeletons, it just never works lol

[turbid kayak]

Best warlock build atm?

[hushed dew]

nvm found the reason

[proud frigate]

according to maxroll, rip warlock

[obtuse quest]

What was the reason?

[boreal rampart]

so as long as I cast my dread shade with as many infernal shades the lich set just snapshots the aura at that moment? trying to understand exactly how it works.. does it also snapshot the number of minions within the dread shade talent tree to determine the aura size?

[obtuse quest]

What, the aura size counts the number of dread shades (but yes otherwise)

[boreal rampart]

im talking about this node

I guess it specifies when cast

nvm

I kinda feel like they need to rework the whole snapshotting stuff I don't like having to think about how to abuse it

[weak atlas]

Hi! I’m lvl 46 following https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide

which is a chtonic fissure/spirit plague/chaos bolt/rip blood type build.

Is this fine for now or should I move into a more specialized build - though don’t have legendaries to support them yet in reality

[obtuse quest]

These are buff snapshotting and it happens everywhere

if removed, basically every build needs to be reworked.

[pearl snow]

its fine, though if you were aiming for a specific build I would look into whats resquired for that

[weak atlas]

Like only swap when I have the legendaries for it?

[pearl snow]

No

[pearl snow]

most builds dont required uniques or legendaries to function

just depends on what you chose

[plush loom]

Does AoE affect rip blood width?

[raw surge]

If it has the tag on it

[plush loom]

it has an area tag, but im not sure if it scales width or length

[raw surge]

I’d imagine either width, or both, but not solely length

Seeing as how the screen only goes so far I’d imagine width

[weak atlas]

Ah on maxxroll the top like 6 acolytes builds it’s like “needs X legendary to work” :/ but trying to find em 🙂

[pearl snow]

uh let me look then wtf

[plush loom]

requiring uniques makes sense, needing legendary affixes feels like a stretch

[pearl snow]

did you want minions or just self dmg type shit? Caster?

Flame Whip for instance "requires" a unique but you just play fissure until you get it

most builds have an idea that they do before a requirement happens

[weak atlas]

I guess I just want to destroy everyone. No need for minions.

Like right now I cast the fissure and spirit plague and just spam chaos bolt and everything dies.

Usually just doing the plague and playing chaos bolts.. everyone melts 🙂

but wondering if there’s builds im not exploring thats like 20x more damage lol

[obtuse quest]

Well, yes

[weak atlas]

Tell me more about:)

[obtuse quest]

Any actual build, what you have is basically the base.

[sly forge]

just use the bee idols and we have a lot of bees so the more-per-minion nodes is not a problem.

the only problem might be there are 7 skeletal mages with a lot of multipliers, while you are only casting alone. And a self cast only fire a small soul so it has bad clear 7 think.

[obtuse quest]

Find skill you like > (Find synergy with other skills) > find the uniques that make it strong > find the setup that makes it broken > maximise it to hell and back

You are at ()

[crisp ridge]

find unique that looks cool -> create build purely around that unique -> cry when it doesnt work

[pearl snow]

Yo same

[turbid kayak]

hmm pearl of swine gives me 600 more ward, dunno if its worth it over evolution end tho

[pearl snow]

fun psa here

[turbid kayak]

i see a lot of necros in ladder using pearls

[pearl snow]

if you use AoD but have Mark of Death on Block corruption

[turbid kayak]

over nihilus

[pearl snow]

you give yourself mark of death

[turbid kayak]

maybe they coudln't get a good nihiuls

[pearl snow]

FUN

[pearl snow]

good nihilus is hard

swine is great and easy

[turbid kayak]

I see

evolutions end 2lp harder than swine?

sucks that u can't buy those

is a decent rolled omnis hard too?

[obtuse quest]

Mood

[obtuse quest]

Dafaq

[pearl snow]

BRO

WATCH THIS SHIT

LOL

[obtuse quest]

How the hell does that work AoD doesn't even HIT

[turbid kayak]

i gotta figure out how to sustain the bone curse aura mode

[pearl snow]

LOL

[turbid kayak]

is there an easy mana regen for necro anywhere

[pearl snow]

IM CRYING

THIS IS SO FUNNY

[obtuse quest]

Does rip blooding your own minions count?

[ashen bluff]

you can get decent incs from start of lich / lock, if you can hit curseds theres a gain on hit thing

[wintry flame]

maybe you can go HS cast on hit, run the + necrotic spell dmg per skele mage idols, and do the penance setup, then build attack speed on DKs 😛

[sly forge]

is this self or minion build?

[raw surge]

I have almost 5 affixes/ implicits of regen, almost both full initial lock/ lich regen nodes, and like 2 efficiency nodes in Bone Curse and I barely sustain it lol

[wintry flame]

self but procs from the skele mages

[boreal rampart]

what is the proc?

it procs from your minions hitting?

[raw surge]

If you can spare it the full Isadora set gives 30% mana efficiency with necro skills

[turbid kayak]

why are these guys taking this,

[sly forge]

ah ok

[turbid kayak]

for abom build

[ashen bluff]

hs has a node for % chance to cast when hit
then you curse your minions with penance via bc+swine that makes them get hit with fire dmg everytime they attack

[ashen bluff]

cos casting skelly takes mana?

[sly forge]

btw pyre golem is the only thing I have not tried

[turbid kayak]

hmm i am able to do the rotation with no mana gear at all tho

i guess they didn' tknow ere else to put the points

[sly forge]

also how do you think of crit HS now?

they have the same damage as abom now

from my test

[wintry flame]

yeah it looks good with single target. excited to see what others do

[sly forge]

I test vs 2k corruption and it can still sustain due to the seed helm and dread shade

[obtuse quest]

Previously, when letting abom eat stuff up, they counted as skeleton deaths, so you got a mana refund

[sly forge]

but in realistic you might only want to try 1k corruption since even so the tankiness is not great like abom

[ashen bluff]

I have corrupted over 50 idols thus far

[dawn plinth]

I dont even understand what is happening to my ward and hp in these t3 omens, I just spam hp pots lol

I cant see a thing

[obtuse quest]

Penance counts as a hit.

[ashen bluff]

Who needs crit, zoombies I kill lagoon before transition at 600c

and that was at like 800 mana only

[wintry flame]

yeah zombies looked strong as well

[ashen bluff]

hs dot mage w zombies not profane veil

[sly forge]

ah forgot

I have not tried zombie warlock in this season yet

[ashen bluff]

looks too asinine outside of bossing

[sly forge]

last patch tried a zombie warlock with t8 axe

insane dmg but a bit hard to play

it might need practice

[ashen bluff]

~350 damned stacks maintained on st w zombo + mages w no extra cdr

[pearl snow]

nice

[ashen bluff]

the X mana per corrupt idol on altar is kind of too strong to do anything but 1x1s

[pearl snow]

yeah fair

I was thinking about that too

or maybe until you get omens in it

since omens roll like 30%

[ashen bluff]

my altar is 21 slots and 8 per atm

[pearl snow]

mine is straight crack

[willow verge]

what is a omen idol?

[ashen bluff]

dream is gettin that with a high per corrupt yeah

[pearl snow]

special corrupted idol drops

[pearl snow]

by default you only can have 1, but some altars have a mod that lets you use more

they roll from an expanded affix pool

[ashen bluff]

yeah they can have 1x4 mods but take 'only' the space of a 1x3

[old hull]

and big thing is they let you use any mix of 1x4, 1x3, and 2x2 affixes or 4x1, 3x1, and 2x2

but can't enchant them

[pearl snow]

Okay this self AoD giving me Mark for death kinda sucks but the ward gen from swine whew

[tender ridge]

i don't know why i wanna use phys ghostflame so much. maybe it's just the cool animation

[ashen bluff]

swine+aod+bcaura goes hard af

[dawn plinth]

I think the imprints are still pretty strong guys lol

[pearl snow]

yeah but did you see my video earlier you can self curse with Block corruption on your shield lmao

[tender ridge]

it's always entertaining to see other peoples' filters because that red would be screaming RED RING at me

and instead it's a bunch of helmets lol

[dawn plinth]

lol I have red ring on a bright white

I aint missing that thing

[tender ridge]

chaos bolts is probably still the best bleed spell right? the 1% more per X missing health seems hard to beat

[pearl snow]

yes and yes

you might be able to argue something rip blood combined with Tether for Phys DoT

[tender ridge]

tether suffers from wanting both a ton of bleed chance AND spell scaling

i was gonna do a 2-man build with my brother where he supplies all the bleed chance and phys damage in the world from thorn shield spam and then I could cast rip blood for blood tethers

[pearl snow]

Isnt there some new thorn tech with corruption or an item I thought I saw something thorn shield related

maybe it was for bees

[tender ridge]

dunno i haven't really looked at all the fancy corruptions

I've just been yolo corrupting my gear and being sad when it bricks

[pearl snow]

fair

[tender ridge]

though it did max out all the affixes on my explodey axe

that was pretty cool

[pearl snow]

I told my fiancee to corrupt all the gear in my inventory

forgot I had these in there still

lmao

[tender ridge]

get anything good?

lmfao

[pearl snow]

yeah hit a good ass Wall of Nothing and a Curse on block shield

but to be fair I think im like 10 corruptions deep on shields and 7 on Wall of nothing

[boreal rampart]

wait so the penance on your minions makes YOU cast the HS?

[tender ridge]

i wanna play some kind of DoT skill but don't really know what. I keep going back to fissure damage but it's terrible lol. only the whips and spirits are good

[old hull]

lol corrupted needles aught to give extra gaze or something

[pearl snow]

woulda been sick

only ruined 1 lmao

[wintry flame]

penance on the minions makes them have a chance to cast when they attack or get attacked. so if you build atk speed they can proc it a lot and I think the CD is individual for each of them

[obtuse quest]

Lmao

[obtuse quest]

It casts on them, but they're treated as YOUR HS

[willow verge]

much more ward generate from curse shield + swine?

[pearl snow]

at least 113, but up to 160 depnding on the amulet roll

per second*

[willow verge]

did u notice a impact at ward u normally have?

[pearl snow]

uh yeah lemme check

its about 500 stable ward

[willow verge]

nice.

[hushed dew]

I forgot that legacy characters got their mastery reset, i could still spec into profane veil but warlock passive had 0 points spent and therefore no skill nodes worked

[willow verge]

@pearl snow , T7 minion fire damg or T7 vitality on chest?

[pearl snow]

prob vitality honestly

defensive and gives DoT multi to your minions

[ashen bluff]

oh I missed that
we love free stuff bugs

[willow verge]

lul. i bought a corrupted item to slam. but corrupetd itens cant be used for slams. At least, was cheap

[strange kiln]

Is anyone else dealing with minions randomly dying? First my golem was randomly dying when I was leveling, now my abom is randomly dying at full health

[pearl snow]

golem dying while leveling can be a bunch of things

but abom randomly dying can be him consuming himself

I think that bug is still around

[calm dome]

Hmmm. I keep thinking of an abom build centered around constantly devouring zombies and scaling damage around explosion. I'm not sure if a poison spec, ignite spec, or crit necrotic damage spec would be best though

[obtuse quest]

is it when you pop a potion

[obtuse quest]

Warning: Devour node is known to have the ability to devour abom itself

[calm dome]

I wasn't thinking of using the node to cast Sacrifice

Abom recognizes minions it was assembled with and auto devours them to heal

So I just spam zombies and abom will just eat them every time, proccing their explosion

[obtuse quest]

Oh

Then yeah that would work if you can consistently get both abom and zombies to be on top of enemies

(Which by that point, the zombies will likely bomb themselves into the enemy by themselves)

[calm dome]

Abom should be able to devour them right when they spawn on top of you. At least, last patch I remember going an Abom build and I would spam skeletons and it would devour them immediately

Didn't need to be next to them for the devour

[obtuse quest]

That leads back to the question of "Why not just summon zombies on top of the enemies"

[calm dome]

I am going to check if abom eating them is faster than spawning in

And it is just a perma minion to use if mana is low from spamming zombies

[dawn plinth]

damn I made such a pretty belt

[obtuse quest]

I'm not sure how the former helps, but the latter is a okay use for a constantly health draining big minion

[lost gale]

Casts from the skellies but uses your stats/player scaling apparently.

If you use bone curse as an aura and you are also cursed with penance then whenever a minion takes damage from penance that will trigger your own penance too (there's a 1/3 second cooldown on penance tho) so you will also be firing HS from the player too

[thorny token]

i play hungering souls. if i play with multiprojektiles , can only 1 skull dmg the target or is there a shotgut mechanic ?

[obtuse quest]

Projectiles don't shotgun unless stated.

Here's your fix:

[lost gale]

only 1 skull, but big skull with hit damage may well be better than DOT anyway

[boreal rampart]

huh. this seems like a bug, no?

[lost gale]

probably is a bug

I haven't tried it myself, just reporting what people are saying and what I know about how penance works

before they added a cooldown to penance you could kill yourself incredibly fast with it, or generate absurd amounts of ward with some tech

[boreal rampart]

lol, I bet

[lost gale]

bone golem could trigger its bone nova literally every tick

[boreal rampart]

speaking of bone nova, how does that ally retaliate thing work? I tried having my skeletons shooting at some enemies and it never triggered as far as I could tell on the target dummy

[lost gale]

Infected Remains 0/5
Your Golem has a chance to grant you a stack of Putrid Coating when it is hit. Each stack lasts for 8 seconds and grants you a chance to poison enemies.
Poison Chance Per Stack: +10% per point
Does not scale with points allocated
Chance To Grant Putrid Coating When Hit: 10%
This terrible node could grant you like 20000% increased poison chance in combat

[lost gale]

rip blood and marrow shards both have nodes that let you hit minions with them, if you shoot your bone golem it should trigger bone shatter

also penance works, if you curse your golem with penance via the amulet then whenever it deals damage it will take damage from you, up to 3x a second roughly and that will also trigger bone shatter assuming you take the node that makes friendly fire trigger bone shatters more

[boreal rampart]

huh interesting

how does it do 3 hits a second though?

like bone golem doesn't do damage that often

[lost gale]

it was a projectile spell with a small animation delay and then travel time before which offset the time between penance dealing damage and the golem dealing damage to trigger penance again which made it easier to trigger reliably. Now idk, maybe it's just a bad tech

I haven't really played around with it since they put a cooldown on penance

imo they should have implemented it as one of those proc caps like 10 per 2 seconds instead of a cooldown

[obtuse quest]

If penance is on the enemy, every bone nova would trigger penance again

Repeat

[lost gale]

that's how it used to work, but the cooldown is too long or the bone shatter comes too early depending on how you look at it

I guess ailments inflicted by the golem would tick twice a second

plus its attacks

[ashen bluff]

the issue to me is all the stats and effort you do to make CoP #worth you pmuch just swap the cdr idols for more mana smalls and suddenly a single zombie is doing more stacks than 5x15 shotgunnin mages

[crisp ridge]

finally got my downfall of the righteous 😭

[lost gale]

balans

mages do get that sweet more multi from mana tho & double down on flat per mana

[teal topaz]

I've only played a lich acolyte. What are your guys' thoughts on lich vs warlock? I've been leveling using rip blood and marrow shards and am open to a caster build, aka warlock, and I know you can now change specialization. Maybe I'll try warlock first and if I'm not liking it switch over later. Thoughts?

[obtuse quest]

Lich is better for big damage/crits/want melee.
Warlock is better for DoT and Curses.

[night hemlock]

Was going to say, totally different playstyles they're going for

[lost gale]

I think the big brain builders are now saying that the more damage per curse and the big flat from self-tormenting fissure actually make warlock better for hit damage than lich unless you need dual wielding/flay/death seal

[elder imp]

question is this a bug it shows current ward 3 k but i have 1,3

[obtuse quest]

Known visual bug, the 3k is lying

[proud frigate]

How hard is to level flay lich? i really dislike 3 times gear swap, but on ssf?

[lost gale]

you can't even get flay till about lvl 50

so you'll be doing most of the levelling without it

[proud frigate]

Oh, actually didn't know that

[lost gale]

and yeah melee requires different gear to mana/triggered spells

[wicked abyss]

I just abused corruption runes to farm out +melee dmg and it wasn't really difficult spamming harvest until I got flay

[gloomy drift]

Is Rip Blood playable without Acid Rain on Pearls of the Swine?
Found 2.. both without but wanna start Rip Blood soon

[lost gale]

lots of builds are playable without 100% crit chance

but obviously you want to aim for it

cast speed when cursed idols might be a bigger deal

cast speed double dips with rip blood because you get both more damage from simply casting more often but more damage per cast because you get more +flat damage

[wise leaf]

Also look out for altars with added effect for prefixes

[lost gale]

the maxroll endgame planner is getting about +200% cast speed from idols

more actually

[wise leaf]

130 + 80 increased from altar and 60 increased from relic

I think

[lost gale]

It's a bit more than +300% cast speed with max rolls

[ashen bluff]

they only Triple Down on hit dmg tho
and in that case you go Big skull anyway for more multi

I wish mages were better w dot

[obtuse quest]

did they not account for whatever the hell chaotic strikes are

[ashen bluff]

But guess Ill settle for killing bosses thru immunity at 700c w zombros

[ashen bluff]

hows that big brain its been obvi huge multi since lock got added

[lost gale]

not big brain that that's how to scale hit damage with warlock, but determining that warlock is better than lich for most builds like that now

[night hemlock]

Big brain for one person isn't the same as another

[lost gale]

anyway big brain was semi-ironic. I think they do a pretty good job, but I'm sure there are people on here with pet builds who know the ins and outs of them better than guys who churn out like 10 planners pre-launch

[ashen bluff]

lock does benefit from new spec powercreep

[obtuse quest]

Like how we have two witchfire addicts

[ashen bluff]

i cringe at the same shell one skill changed spammers so much

[obtuse quest]

But has problem finding basic methods to scale crit that isn't acid skin or whatever chaotic strikes is

[ashen bluff]

acid skin free with bc aura tho

[lost gale]

last season they were pushing rip blood & mshards lich, this season warlock is what I mean.

I wasn't sure if all acid skin regardless of source benefitted from the scaling in Fissure or only the stuff applied by fissure initial hit but ppl seem pretty sure it applies to all acid skin

which is really stronk

because having to fissure initial hit everything you want to actually be able to crit would suck

[ashen bluff]

It says Acid Skin in general not 'from this skill' iirc

but wouldnt be the first inconsistent or lackin textbox

[ashen bluff]

should I roll that fissure hit only build, no whips

[lost gale]

that's avalanche shaman tier mana problems

maybe worse because you're going to have way way more cast speed

[ashen bluff]

eeeeyup bby thats where I stopped trying to minmax it

[lost gale]

it's only 300% ADE lol, that's worse than a single small avalanche boulder and there are hardly any multis for it

[ashen bluff]

you can scale the fattest base added tho, while having fire aod and crit multi scalin

[lost gale]

I guess so

isn't the whipsword BIS for fissure initial hit too?

[ashen bluff]

ehhh yeah pmuch

like its just an additional scaler and you will not be oom in .5s

[lost gale]

ah the crit multi is only for whips not fissure in general

on the sword

[ashen bluff]

but I kinda wanna use a weapon offhand combo that actually does anything

[lost gale]

sure you get +9 skill levels but you can't even find enough things to spend points on for that to matter

[ashen bluff]

yeah exactly

[lost gale]

are there any builds that actually want soul feast?

[ashen bluff]

the whips* themselves will hit like a truck but youll have to spend affix on spirit freq

[ashen bluff]

what was that

[lost gale]

this terrible skill

[ashen bluff]

oh yeah I dunno man

its a very awk combo thing

[lost gale]

Bones of the Accursed 0/5
For each Curse on the target, Soul Feast hits grant more ward and deal more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers).
Hit Damage per Curse: +3% per point
More Ward per Curse: 5% per point
Big fan of how they specify that this is Hit damage only, just in case you got any bright ideas about trying to use it with ailments

clearly that would be too strong

[obtuse quest]

The one skill that would have been fine having a poison pop

Has it, but monkey pawed

[ashen bluff]

does it even snapshot the more dmg per cursed from being lock

I have a faint memory of it not working and that node existing just to compensate

[night hemlock]

I really hate that on a necro minion build one of my best relics summons a damn dinosaur

[lost gale]

why? can't you just imagine it's a particularly well preserved undead dinosaur?

[vernal fern]

Is twisted heart actually good on the zombie, aura of decay build? I'm not really casting necrotic or elemental spells to get the 8% ward

[timber magnet]

Probably a frequently asked question but has anyone had fun blasting on a new build so far here? Looking for something chill this league

[night hemlock]

Veil and Chaos Bolt are both Necrotic

And I imagine it is mostly for the +levels anyway

[vernal fern]

i'm not using either of those, skele mage, dread shade, bone curse , aura of decay and summon zombie

yeah

[night hemlock]

Oh I assumed you meant a zombie explode build

[vernal fern]

will try look at weaver relics

[void saffron]

I assume you're looking for specifically an acolyte build, right? Becuase if you're open to alternatives, and aren't reaching for uber kills or super-high corruption, spell-slinging manifest armor minion paladin is chill. Like a low maintenance, lower damage, abom build, without any hassles and with pretty decent aoe clear 🙂

[ashen bluff]

you can also minmax that to the shield throw forge guy which shreds hard af thru all content

[void saffron]

Hey now, I'm here for chill, that means 1-button 😄

[night hemlock]

Ever played RF in PoE? And if so do you enjoy it?

Cold Fire Aura Spellblade is fun and 1 button pretty much

[void saffron]

Hm, something like this build? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/fire-aura-spellblade-guide

[night hemlock]

Exactly

I was playing that before, changed build now but I do like the build

[honest meteor]

Chaos bolt Lich (or warlock if you got every uniue) is 1 button chill

[brazen steppe]

is it worth taking 5/5 here?

[void saffron]

Thanks! Will bookmark it for a future option. Though I might explore an alternative option for the helmet. Because I'd like to not have stun immunity, to automate Flame Ward casting 😄

[turbid kayak]

okay so i maxed out my resistance and crit reduced dmg 100% i still getting 1 shot with 4k ward. lvl 106 corruption. Dunno maybe i built wrong? Abom Necro

im guessing this build i actualy gotta just stay away from taking any dmg and run around dodging perfectly

[void saffron]

Hm, are your resists maxed? Or what damage one-shots you? And what enemies, bosses/beasts? Or stuff in the omen windows?

[turbid kayak]

ya. it was primal beast who popped out

2 swipes dead

also the omen dots

2 sec

[void saffron]

Omen dots are rippy for sure. And beasts are too. Other than harbingers and stuff, those two feel the most risky damage wise in general gameplay.

[turbid kayak]

i guess il just keep getting more stre and end

[void saffron]

yeah, probably

unless someone comes in with better tips 🙂

[turbid kayak]

altho tis super expensive and i came late so it might take a logn time

i hate redoing the infernal shade thing if i zone out to Bazaar 😄

[obtuse quest]

Are you running rogues or any minion that does throwing?

[brazen steppe]

abom

[obtuse quest]

Then it's decent still ye

[turbid kayak]

you maining abom necro? you find it good surviabiliy once you gear out? I have saved up 4million and im deciding who to dump it all on .

or what build

[brazen steppe]

yep first time this league

[turbid kayak]

mana flay lich looks fun but 5m might not be enough

but its enough for kitting out a 1lp abom w/ bis

[unreal hill]

if you can post your build planner that'll give us a chance to see your ehp and what not

[brazen steppe]

if u want facetank everything then necro not best

[turbid kayak]

well i died in 1 ec lol

dunno about face tank

[unreal hill]

there has to be a defensive issue cause I'm doing corruption 100 with this.

[turbid kayak]

what build is that?

[unreal hill]

just aura of decay lich.

[brazen steppe]

ur lich tho, thats way tankier

[turbid kayak]

maybe ill try mana flay lich

[unreal hill]

fair, is necro really that squishy?

[brazen steppe]

its not squishy at all and u can play safely with offensive abom so u never actually get hit

[turbid kayak]

but in those omen things u gotta be in like, the thick of 1 trillion mobs 😄

[brazen steppe]

i was lich too before, had to facetank everything, but necro is way tankier

[turbid kayak]

taht bubble

[brazen steppe]

get minion teleport mod

[turbid kayak]

how do i avoid mobs tho like at one opint there was 100 per square inch

[unreal hill]

I just can't wait to hit 80 to see how immortal blossom feels.

[turbid kayak]

can dots be blocked

im lvl 85 atm corrution 106 most things are easy except primal beast and omen bubble

[old hull]

Ensure they are dead insantly on spawn, basically

[old hull]

No

[ember fractal]

Question

How soon (as in what character level) should I buy the Tyrant's Skull thingy?
I'm currently nearing level 60 and I can already buy it, but I don't wanna loose on some upgrades or whatnot.

[unreal hill]

you want sustain for dots or dr.

[turbid kayak]

i dunno how to get that in this build atm. ill try to get 1-2 lp gear as much as i can w/ my gold later

[old hull]

Your character level does not affect it, so any time works fine

[unreal hill]

character level does affect LP chances though so make sure you're high enough level in LE tools

[lost gale]

that's really just for skelly rogues and someone was saying they're bugged and doing much less damage than they should be

[old hull]

Not for buying things from the vendor

[obtuse quest]

AREA level does, not character level.

[unreal hill]

Ahh thanks for the correction

[obtuse quest]

But yeah, for vendors that doesn't matter

[turbid kayak]

are you doing the infernal shade trick every time you leave mono and come back?

[brazen steppe]

no i dont use aura of decay, need to be too close to make it work

i like afking bosses rather than run around (abom aggro all boss like harbringers)

[turbid kayak]

i see

how much dps do you lose by not having aod?

[ember fractal]

Ok, so what character level or area level should I buy Tyrant's Skull in? Minimum that is? To have a full chance for Legendary Potential?

[unreal hill]

That feel when you realize your armour shred from aod also affects you. whoops.

[obtuse quest]

Doesn't matter

Buying it at lv 1 or lv 100 has the same LP rates.

[ember fractal]

Guys before you disagree soo... please present common ground rather than mutually exclusive answers 🤨

[unreal hill]

I would trust kzb on this

[ember fractal]

And if item doesn't drop at all but is bought instead?

Tyrant's Skull is bought from this event hunter guy for bones.

[obtuse quest]

Then it doesn't matter

It's LP rate is fixed.

Nothing modifies it.

[ember fractal]

Thank you. I'll buy it right away than 🙂

[paper perch]

anyone has the same problem? When i click on a Monolith map the game freezes for like 2 secs and then i get teleported?

[turbid kayak]

does crit avoidance make me take 0 dmg from the crit, not even the regular dmg?

[ember fractal]

One more thing: do Ancient Bones drop faster/more in timelines and high level zones compared to campaign? Because level 1-60 for barely getting enough for single Tyrant's Skull is way too slow.

Also: got one with just +1 skills and no LP 🤬

[obtuse quest]

Drops it into a regular hit.

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[sick belfry]

how is cold flay with mourningfrost? found surprisingly few talk about it

[turbid kayak]

oh damn lol

[weak atlas]

If I have no real good gear for my warlock besides this thing (I’m lvl 48 I think) is there a specific good build I should do or just follow this leveling one for now

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide

[turbid kayak]

is maxroll summoning rotation correct?

for abom setup

or is there more new cheese

[brazen steppe]

For me it does same but i stay at the place without teleporting, it happens once in few hrs tho

[lost gale]

flay already gets +2 flat per dex so another +1 is much less valuable than it is for skills that are challenging to get flat for

though it does say flat phys, I assume it converts to cold but I'm not 100% sure when the attribute scaling lists a damage type

[brazen steppe]

U dont need uniques to make most builds function, and that unique u show is bad, a wand with flat spell dmg is better, leveling is about picking some items and run until u get all passive(15)+idol slots(8x)

[sick belfry]

I was thinking of the chaos bolt and marrow shards proc, since they don't get those right

[lost gale]

ah well people generally just use the hybrid flat necrotic spell damage mod they added with the lich rework I think

the flay boots are really good

hard to replace

I assumed you meant melee flay

[tender ridge]

it's possible to perma-channel ghostflame isn't it

[lost gale]

needs some idols

[sick belfry]

I was gonna melee flay but the chaos bolts look too juicy 😄

[tender ridge]

yeah idols and some extra mana regen i would imagine

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to mana flay

[sick belfry]

which one is the hybrid flat necrotic spell damage again?

[lost gale]

it's on daggers and 1h axes, adds necrotic melee and necrotic spell damage in one affix

[sick belfry]

ahh

[tender ridge]

tbf mana flay is still a melee playstyle. it just does mostly spell damage

[sick belfry]

so that's what I was missing, I haven't had a look at the affixes yet

[lost gale]

melee flay uses 2x traitor's tongue IIRC, mana flay uses the purpose built axe and the spoon I think

haven't played mana flay myself but I've seen some planners lol

[tender ridge]

i thought it was the axe and either tongue or the primo dagger

[lost gale]

ah you might be right

[tender ridge]

i haven't looked at what the new builds look like just remembering what the early ones were last season

[lost gale]

tongue is +4 skills for flay so it's pretty goated

[sick belfry]

that's a lotta + skills

[tender ridge]

yeah tongue and primo dagger give it +4 pretty slick

[sick belfry]

wish spellblade could offhand tongue

[tender ridge]

I wish sentinel could offhand maces or sceptres

[sick belfry]

wdym you can offhand a sword but not a smaller surd

[lost gale]

tongue has easy LP aswell, lots of people getting LP3 without being insanely geared elsewhere

[weak atlas]

Ah.. thanks.. meaning leveling and ensuring passive is 15 in each slot? Okay.

How do I unlock all of the idol slots? Questing?

Should I make a loot filter to only show me flat damage or what kind of filter should I set up to give me the best warlock gear generally?

[brazen steppe]

yes 8 quest and 15 quest for passive (sometimes u get both)

[weak atlas]

Thank you 🙂 I’ll look up a guide to ensure I catch all just in case

[brazen steppe]

press M and u can see bottom left corner

[paper perch]

is there another way to put LP on it? Or only via the emperor shrine or w/e it is?

[weak atlas]

Thank you:)

[obtuse quest]

Nemesis.

[weak atlas]

I sent you a pm to ask a question, I appreciate it

[paper perch]

yeah thats what i meant with emperor shrine xDD

[obtuse quest]

That's it.

[paper perch]

is it possible to get +3 LP there aswell?

[obtuse quest]

Good luck rolling RNG< but yes

[paper perch]

oh well thanks 🙂

[tender ridge]

i gotta go farm out my mountain boots

[sick belfry]

do mana flay really just stack small mana idols

[tender ridge]

yeah you want as much mana as possible. it directly translates to more damage on your chaos bolts

[sick belfry]

sounds a bit... boring

even manastacking ES still ran mix of idols 💀

but oh well, I guess it's also good that I don't have to spend time agonizing over what idols to run

[turbid kayak]

you abom homies, do you use Finger for snapshot more skeletons or just leave it on? or is phantom rings better?

[obtuse quest]

Becuase this exists.

[turbid kayak]

if my abomination summoning process is comlpte and i later summon a skeleton for him to eat to get mana does that mess up the original snap shot?

summong a skelly every 10 or so sec is letting me keep up bone curse arua always easily

[night hemlock]

Shouldn't mess anything up

[turbid kayak]

nice this is great solves my mana problem

[night hemlock]

The snap shot in this case is an intentional snap shot

[turbid kayak]

and is giving me these 3 permament minions on the side

i dunno where they are comming from

[night hemlock]

Not all snap shotting is unintended

[sick belfry]

skipped last season so I wasn't aware how good this is

i thought SW was still better

[old hull]

Probably skeletal vanguards, there are a few sources of them. Probably coming from your necro passives though.

[honest bronze]

does it increased physical damage if i convert aura of decay to phys?

[oblique jackal]

How fun is Flay? I was thinking of pivoting from Warlock to Lich

That's the only skill I haven't played with, and I'd want to build around it.

[sick belfry]

increased bleed, yes

[unreal hill]

I hear a lot of good things about flay. a lot of people build around it.

[brazen steppe]

read the grey text and u will find out (hint: it increase bleed dmg for minions)

[honest bronze]

Does it correct when i swap base attack Abomimation to Necro damage then Double strike also damage with Necro?

[brazen steppe]

its not even that hard on 300 corruption

[high granite]

Why twisted heart on flay harvest lich?
Only for %hp and strength??

[brazen steppe]

it scales with added minion flat

[honest bronze]

but it must has a damage type

[stone sorrel]

just had a weird glitch my skeletons would just run into the fight and blow up teleported out and back now they just normal warriors

[gritty drum]

Im experimenting with abom + melee death knights, nothing beats solo abom since he's OP but this kinda works.
Both the death knights and abom are melee necrotic and zombies provide armour shed and still do some damage cause a lot of your damage is simply scaling minion necrotic

using that node that makes abom not instakill the zombies but still be able to absorb them

[gentle kettle]

On Lich, what's the main benefit of the hp and ward cap at 50%, always count as low life passive? To benefit from the missing hp as ward? Or is there something more major that Im missing

[unreal hill]

bit niche, but on my build it prevents aura of decay from 1shotting me when I have exsang on.

[old hull]

AoD shouldn't hurt you significantly at all with exsang on (especially bleed AoD)

[turbid kayak]

i woulda though they made lich super tanky but people are telling me its mediocre for tankyness

[boreal rampart]

is this item still good/used? I dunno if the freeze rate multi is useful but seems like its alright?

i suppose its probably easier to just get a LP one or something though and put whats actually useful on it

[turbid kayak]

Why no bones of ancenstral pack for Abom build?

i guess block is too important

[pearl snow]

Block so you can actually live stuff and the Bones thing doesnt do too much for you to outweigh that. Plus I think its probably better to use your only primoridal item on something else

[pearl snow]

Flay Lich can become insane but it required hyper endgame gearing and you’ll die if you cant attack something. Its only of those never stop attacking / leeching and you’ll probably not die

[unreal hill]

It can be great for tank but its a lot of investment to get there

[ashen bluff]

do the bee corrupts even exist

[sick belfry]

man eulogy of blood is such a chaotic item

the implicits are necrotic, the hit affixes are cold and the DoT affixes are phys

[proud frigate]

Hi! any tips how to level harvest lich as first character? wanna try out ssf 😄

[boreal rampart]

can anyone give some pointers as to how to determine which boards I should be picking up

my stash is getting a bit overstuffed with these things..

[turbid kayak]

i dont pick most up

[oblique jackal]

Does Flay still get damage bonus' from Dexterity if its melee attack is removed with Exquisite Blood?

[void saffron]

The altars, right? Eh, yeah, I pick up all of them for now, cause i don't know any better.
Otherwise, from what I've seen around, you can pick up anything that you feel is needed for your specific build, and any that have a nice combination of "increase effect of suffixes/prefixes on idols", especially ones that aren't only boosting a very specific idol type (unless that's what you're rocking). Those are a safe bet, and they simply boost whatever idols you equip.

[sick belfry]

did they fix the marrow shards/army of skin bug

[calm dome]

I thought it was part of one of the hotfixes from last patch

Something about it doing way more damage than intended

[ashen bluff]

Rotated to more health and regen today, trying to push 800c was kickin my ass in D:
Boss dps still golden, clear is starting to be a struggle
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN2Jk8rN

[calm dome]

So they fixed that

[sick belfry]

I saw that the cold-blood one got fixed

but apparently there's a separate one with army of skin?

[pearl snow]

I love how much you hate the planner embed lmao

Sick ass Pale Ox btw

[willow verge]

u might want to use a base shield, no? bc u are going hp

[ember fractal]

Questions

1. Is Evolution's End any good for pet builds?
2. If it is, I assume there is a certain "best" combination of evolutions to go fow? What would those be?
3. Is there any way to make evolution pet stay for longer / pop up more often?

[noble flame]

1. Nope. It was good for the all res and +skill, but it lost the +skill
2. Too hard to control, the pet is a gimmick, neat, but not useful.
3. I dont think its affected by cooldown recovery speed or anything else really.

[brazen steppe]

is there a way to make abom use double strike every time?

[wintry quarry]

I'm thinking of something insane

[lost gale]

get a billion CDR and no attack speed

[brazen steppe]

max is 1,7s cd

[lost gale]

use bone curse to chill abom so he attacks slower

less attack speed maxx

[brazen steppe]

All 2k corruption abom players use cd idols so i guess their abom doesnt rly use basic attacks

But even with all that reaching 2 second is hard

[edgy yew]

@pearl snow what's your take on using the ash boots or not when playing witchfire? I got them, changed the build a little bit, but unsure if it's better or not than the other option, and the sound of decay aura may drive me insane

[willow verge]

@pearl snow got some luck

[pearl snow]

Its going to be more damage in 90% of setups, but not required at all. Possibly more annoying to balance since you need to overcap fire res

[pearl snow]

Big now corrupt it kekw

All my amulet corruptions fail

[quiet seal]

speaking of failed corruptions 😭

[willow verge]

it costed me 400k. will enjoy a little before build up corage to do that

[edgy yew]

also I feel like I am playing way too close to mobs lol. I will revert and check. Ty

also saw this video about a 'righteous fire' build using decay aura/ash boots but the rest of the gear was so absurd that is like, yeah mostly everything will work lol

[pearl snow]

Yeah I mean Witchfire paired with AoD is basically RF already. Not sure how much more RF it can get lol

[willow verge]

marked for death is a corrupted affix... sad

cant buy it

[willow verge]

@pearl snow master, can u give me some tips on what to improve? maybe getting more fire res? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnagaLqV

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (63) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,564, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Mana: 923.44, Regen: 13.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 234%, Regen: 178/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 13 Dex / 89 Int / 2 Att / 54 Vit
▸ Resistances: 130% / 152% / 100% / 97% / 122% / 323% / 139%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 406
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,127)

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Aura Of Decay / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade

[pearl snow]

Definitely not needed and its a pain to manage the debuff even if it gives good ward

[pearl snow]

As long as you have above 75% fire res with AoD on then you dont need more.
You need another 10% reduction to crit damage ideally
Idols could be better
Blessings are missing from Winter Timeline and Spirits of Fire

[willow verge]

yeah. double mana idols cost a lot on MG

thks

will switcch to shield when starts to die so much

[crude vault]

any idea why I cant get nihilis/omnis?:(

60+ aberroth kill

1.2k corruption

[pearl snow]

Okay at this point its your filter

[crude vault]

no

I using TSM filter

+turnoff after kill

to be sure its not drop

:D

[pearl snow]

Good idea but wtf

Isnt the drop rate like 10

[crude vault]

14%

[winged flame]

Is the damage for spirit plague bugged?

[crude vault]

gonna kill few more

[vivid valve]

What build you play

[crude vault]

wow, finally!

first one :D

[crude vault]

mana flay/abom

[vivid valve]

At 1.2k corruption they can survive?

You use HP or ward setup for abom

[crude vault]

abom yes

ward

[vivid valve]

Do you got gear link

Planner

[crude vault]

maxroll one, same

except gloves

[vivid valve]

Oooh ok

[vivid valve]

I see

[winged flame]

Seems like it only gets increased damage from Int and nothing else

[weak atlas]

Does anyone have an acolyte configured 1.4 loot filter they could share? Thank you!

[calm dome]

waiting on necrotic convert AoD to exist and have it apply damned

[quiet seal]

wow, awesome you hit the str too, I had a blast with this build last season.

Though I went with Bastion of Honour and Infernal Shade, it felt so much faster

[raw surge]

Mine works fine it seems

is the key to those current health to missing ward items having multiple of them

[quiet seal]

imo yes, very

[raw surge]

was gonna say, it seems like it doesnt even recoup the entireity of my life to ward, but with multiple i can see it being better

[crude vault]

why bastion?

[quiet seal]

basically you get much much faster ward gen, which can be handy after taking a big hit, you got back up again a lot faster

[quiet seal]

I started with maxroll, then found a different guide and it just all clicked for me, I'll try and find it. I topped out at nearly 190 strength by the end of the season I think.

[crude vault]

not sure that its possible

I have 77 atm, prob can push to 120

but no idea how u do 190 :D

[vivid valve]

Holy cow you must feel super tanky with that setup

[vivid valve]

Yeah I see on ladder top aboms are not using ward like max roll

They go full hp and maybe a little ward on the side with swine

[quiet seal]

I think that would probably be better than my set up

[quiet seal]

yeah, I just logged in to check I got it right, was 170+, though I was missing the double slam like you with + str on the gloves, I was trying to farm uberabyy for a 2LP

[obtuse quest]

What did you expect it to scale from other than INT, Spell, necrotic, curse, and DoT?

[vivid valve]

Do you spec in and out of internal shade or just keep it and don't use aod?

[quiet seal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/thinklike/character/Jenna this was me, pre summoning abom

then swap to cleaver, bastion, red rings

that set will not work anymore for the skellie trick with the abom - if I understood the patch correctly. I wish I could find that vid, I'm still looking lol

this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1i_qEzzThQ really helped me, but take it with a grain of salt as it was 1.3 @crude vault (not saying it's better, just different playstyle)

[crude vault]

I use a bit different skills

drop aura

dread+fire shades

also pick

sustain his hp with + sometimes summon some skelly

also, not sure that we rly need tyrant skull

mb ward weaver relic will be better

[quiet seal]

yeah, a lot of fun flavours for abom no doubt, I certainly haven;t kept up with what is more meta with it atm, so no doubt your set up is great. I never actually tried Contaminated Dreams as far as I remember, didn't want him not leeching enough on echos. But I did spec it for abby

[crude vault]

+2 cool, ye

but we sure that roar work on abom?

[quiet seal]

frenzy and haste aye

[crude vault]

cuz he snapshot gear talent etc when summoned

[thick garnet]

feeling threatened

[winged flame]

Exactly that, im doing witchfire and SP is doing 400 damage
It didnt get any increase from anything

[winged flame]

Strange! 😮

[fierce moon]

Playing Rip Blood Warlock for the first time. Randomly (particularly during omens) my Bone Curse turns itself off. Can anyone help me understand why it does this and best way to minimize it continuing to happen?

[obtuse quest]

Bone Curse Aura spends mana.

[winged flame]

It also have a very strange interaction with bone curse. When applied I get 7 ish armor shred stacks per hit

[obtuse quest]

Working fine for me.

Additionally: Why do you need another clear button when playing Acolyte's best clear build?

[fierce moon]

What is the best way to increase my mana regen per sec to offset? Meaning, is there an ideal piece to forge it onto? (Sorry for the silly follow-up).

[arctic grotto]

btw question does your minions get the triple damage on hit with bone curse or it should just be your character?

[winged flame]

I cant check now but I can link my character if you want to see what might bug it out

[raw surge]

ring probably or altar

[obtuse quest]

Literally anywhere.
Alternatively, rip blood has a node that gives you mana, but I don't know if the rip blood builds run that node.

[obtuse quest]

Only you.

(Don't worry most builds do not care about it's damage)

[arctic grotto]

Thanks for the clarification. Abom hits seems hard when bone curse is applied. So its only the 50% bonus physical dmg buff and the Mark of Death debuff alone right>

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much the core reason to run it in abom

[raw surge]

Added my set bonuses to the build and didnt brick it, kept my mana regen up for bone curse, damage seemed to improve(?), working on finding some more spots for damage/ survivability (arent we all), cleared my second harbinger (100 corruption), so life is good for right now.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6r6daJ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 86

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (9) / Warlock (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,603, Regen: 20.04/s
▸ Mana: 248.44, Regen: 14.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 259%, Regen: 209/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 18 Dex / 101 Int / 17 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 128% / 142% / 113% / 218% / 83% / 270% / 157%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 321
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,648)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Transplant

[raw surge]

Septa-Curse DoT if anyone was curious, my own personal awful creation

[obtuse quest]

Sure

[obtuse quest]

You're not the first, nor the last to do it

Offshoot of everything warlock

[raw surge]

Well thanks for making me feel special lol, and i figured most things have been tried at this point, except maybe some super niche challenge target unique builds

[quiet seal]

that heavy breathing emote is the best 😂

[raw surge]

Im sure i make it harder on myself by intentionally not following what would be whatever the meta path for the build would be, but thats just how i roll

[obtuse quest]

If it helps, there's no meta setup because everyone cooks their own version of it

[raw surge]

fair play

[obtuse quest]

But it's also probably the top 3 things one thinks of when looking at Warlock the first time

[winged flame]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olV7V4d3

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 76

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (10) / Warlock (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,810, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 112.38, Regen: 16.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 94%, Regen: 39/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 17 Int / 1 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 187% / 103% / 100% / 107% / 107% / 137% / 60%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 24%, Threshold: 362
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (19)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (688)
▸ Block Chance: 45%, Mitigation: 23% (247)

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay / Harvest / Spirit Plague / Transplant

[willow verge]

@pearl snow didnt get the fire minion pen. but got the double mana. sweet sweet

[raw surge]

you just blessed my with knowledge i didnt have before

[obtuse quest]

650+- damage to dummy per second without any buffs. 400~ in combat seems right when you're buffed.

[raw surge]

why dont you go Legends Entwined instead of the gold ring for the +3 to curse skills

[winged flame]

The buff it gives makes no difference, even during overloads

[obtuse quest]

Considering you're dealing 400 instead of 60 (Assuming base empowered monoliths), thenn you are technically doing more damage than calculated.

[winged flame]

Gonna use primordial affix on a mace 😉

[raw surge]

ooooooou yeah

[winged flame]

No I deal 400 damage on a dummy, increased damage over time doesnt even buff its damage

[raw surge]

probably a bug in letools, but his added curse flat damage is showing 0

[obtuse quest]

Oh that's dummy damage

Something might be wrong then

[obtuse quest]

I calculated zero flat, this is all from %inc and other more modifiers

[raw surge]

if hes somehow not getting flat damage that would do it

[obtuse quest]

But it's still doing less damage than paper calculations

[winged flame]

Its literally zdps

[obtuse quest]

You didn't take the INT to flat node, of course it's doing jackall

[pearl snow]

Huge better than mine lol

[obtuse quest]

But it's still lower than expected.

[pearl snow]

With necro pen just go play necrotic now lmao

[winged flame]

Weapon didnt do anything for it btw, its safe to say its at 0 flat

[obtuse quest]

Oh no, we know the +Flat curse damage is bugged, it's accounted for

[winged flame]

Lovely

[obtuse quest]

That's why the expected damage is around 650+-