💀┃acolyte

[autumn bough]

And stomp hits whole screen when maxxed out

[night hemlock]

I also find static orb quite boring XD

[tacit plinth]

Stomp is quite broken ngl it brakes uber ai and he does nothing and next league even better rofl

[autumn bough]

But tbf it was clearing better that any other minion already with stom/dual strike setup as long as you got your minion aoe affixes on gear

[tacit plinth]

Maybe thats why rofl

[vivid valve]

My three choices for starter are abom Necro, ballists falconer, or lb rm. I like easy stuff lol

[night hemlock]

The clear isn’t bad on Abom at all, it’s only bad if you compare it to clear speed monsters

[tacit plinth]

I love builds that have amazing mapping,amazing bossing and scale to the moon so

[night hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[vivid valve]

Love the op easy stuff

[night hemlock]

I don’t, I get bored when I an OP XD

[vivid valve]

Don't like piano or anything that uses red rings

[tacit plinth]

I mean its not good either like at least frogs clear entire screen in matter of seconds

[night hemlock]

It’s why I don’t really play PoE anymore

[ashen bluff]

You don't wanna be op but you play LE over PoE

[night hemlock]

I can get mirror tier stuff in a couple weeks and then I just lose interest

[vivid valve]

Oh damn that frogs stuff looks cool too.

A new choice great

[ashen bluff]

the game where you can do endgame content at lvl 20 on any class

[night hemlock]

I don’t play PoE because I am burnt out, and I barely play LE as well XD

[tacit plinth]

Frogs where already insane so not expecting much less

[night hemlock]

I quit after first week or so last league

LE doesn’t have enough content to keep me engaged for long

Kinda like D3 back in the day

Fun for a short time

[tacit plinth]

Ngl this corruption stuff could be a lot better we will see how it plays out

[ashen bluff]

Eh its just more power to push corrupts even further

[night hemlock]

I see it as a tonne more power creep in a game that already struggles with power creep

[ashen bluff]

The endgame needs an actual update

[night hemlock]

LE needs actual content

Not more player power

[ashen bluff]

The difference between farming at 500c and 1000c is significant in power required but has no difference in your gameplay or what you're doing at all

[quiet wolf]

🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝

Bees!!!! Bees above all else!

[night hemlock]

Unbeelievable

[ashen bluff]

Dungeons are still dead you just skip to boss, the new echo chains are just where you put your weavers now

[quiet wolf]

Oh Snap!!!! I TOTALLY forgot we had bee pets too. 🤣

[night hemlock]

Bees, more bees and even more bees

All the bees

[quiet wolf]

I'm given it all the bees we got, Captain!

I am legit irrationally excited to play bees. I am putting all Bee mods as my biggest schwing sound for the loot filter!

[night hemlock]

XD

[mystic flame]

which is less gear dependant between Zombie warlock and Rip Blood Warlock ?

[tired tendon]

Probably zombies but iduno

[mystic flame]

zombie shoes are in the next patch or ?

[obtuse quest]

The fire boots? Next patch

[mystic flame]

is the zombie build viable this season to test it out ?

or have there been some changes that made it viable aside from the shoes ?

[noble flame]

Zombies are looking quite viable. There's also some mana stacking stuff too with the vomit changes

[candid bough]

With the return below node on Chthonic Fissure is the infernal shade damage thats dealt instantly dealt as damage over time. Therefore it can't crit?

[quiet wolf]

The mana stacking stuff made me insanely sad we can't use the Crown for 30% mana and damage taken as mana. Lol

[turbid kayak]

for Abom build, 2 phantom grips over 2 red rings?

[autumn bough]

1 and 1 or 2 phantoms

[muted mist]

It can't but the explosion from the combustion node can, I believe

[candid bough]

yeah that's what I thought too, just wanted to check my sanity

[proven crag]

Hey guys, tell me a good build for a beginner to start the league.

[pearl snow]

Depends what you want

[quiet wolf]

Minions with Wraiths is a decent leveler. Warlock with Bone Curse and Spirit Plague into ailments and Witchfire is very good for leveling. Rip Blood and Harvest are okay as well.

All of them are decent. Just depends more on what unqiues and items you get while leveling.

[buoyant robin]

Can hungering soul played as crit? I thought it can only played by dot/ailment

[quiet wolf]

If you get Flat Minion Melee/Bow/Spell, Phantom Grips, and Pebbles set, go minions.

If you get Calamity and Firestarter Torch go Warlock Curse/Ailments.

[quiet wolf]

Yes, usually you would go for the single big skull then, convert to fire, and use new boots to convert Aura of Deca to fire for pen from INT.

Ailment is good with the Perseverance staff, since with 5+ mages it still does 3x overall damage for ailments even with the reduction of 63% base damage.

You can also go fire pen Aura of Decay for ailment and convert it to fire for the Perseverance staff with the relic.

[buoyant robin]

My plan is playing death knight as dot theme with electrify staff, and stack a lots of ailment chance 😄

+2 death k9 so 7 in total gonna cast a lots

[obtuse quest]

You're going to have horrible single target though

Each cast can only hit an enemy once even if that cast had 20 skulls

[empty stone]

I looked through the notes and it looked like Harvest Lich is is still gtg this season. Did I miss anything?

[buoyant robin]

I plan to mix together with skeleton rogue cause i scaled a lots of minion dot dmg, idk if it enough

[hidden sable]

nothing nerf, only better

[empty stone]

Right on! That is what I thought but I also am not good at reading through notes and seeing connections

[hidden sable]

some idols are little nerf but you get your power back from up to +50% idol effect from idol alter

[candid bough]

speaking of idols does anyone else feel like the acolyte idols are kind of worse across the board than alot of the other classes. Besides a few of them and the goated ward per second + health % one

[hidden sable]

they're strong

[obtuse quest]

Acolyte is the only class to have access to big double health idols

[candid bough]

yeah but outside of those it feels like theres not many useful ones. I dunno maybe im tripping

[obtuse quest]

Generic wise, you'll be more or less right. But we do have decently useful build-sepcific idols

[hidden sable]

when I played rogue I really felt all those class idols were junk

[candid bough]

true theres alot of dead rogues ones. Probably just recency bias on my behalf because ive only been planning acolyte stuff recently

[hidden sable]

spell damage while transformed idols with +50% effect might be a large spike

warlock > lich tho

[candid bough]

i think warlock might be my new favourite mastery

[ruby coral]

I'm wondering if cold skeletons is going to make a comeback with the change so they always use the skill. Don't see anyone making build guides for it.

[terse vault]

Want to do stygian lich. Debating whether to do poison or crit but think I prefer poison. Intelligence gives fire rate but also mana with that warlock passive. But can also reduce enemy poison res per int with aura of decay for even more synergy.

[buoyant robin]

With single big skull, why we still need that staff? Also, now we scale minion spell dmg to boost the hit dmg of that skull rite?

[ruby coral]

won't the clear feel bad with single skull? Even with multiple dudes casting it

[buoyant robin]

I mean if the single hit is big and hard enough to clear single pack 😄

[obtuse quest]

Big skull has zero aoe

It's just one big single target hit

[wintry flame]

archers just still have terrible scaling 🙁

[quiet wolf]

Different staff for the single skull.

[pearl snow]

Zeckar did you sleep LOL

[wintry flame]

I slept a little bit

[pearl snow]

Going to be falling asleep following that pyre golem around

[wintry flame]

🙁

[quiet wolf]

Single skull version uses Blight of Lachesis.

[wintry flame]

idk if I will start that or mages tbh

[quiet wolf]

Maybe Lich scaling + enough Idol scaling for skele damage... agreed though even with that not enough.

[pearl snow]

Im torn between Ignite Vomit Zombies or DoT Pyre, but I was trying to get a pyre army going just dont htink thats the move since the dmg amp is gunna be spread across all of them and you can only have 3 vanguard if you army it with Aarons

Part of me is also just saying to go Witchfire then swap in Empowered monos with gear but thats lame

[quiet wolf]

You think Mages at a 3 second CDR will do enough damage to make it okay to level with?

[quiet wolf]

If I go Acolyte this was my plan. WF is just brainless easy to level with early on.

[pearl snow]

To be fair Ive also been working on my filter for over 12 hours so I need mental help

Yeah Witchfire is lit I did it last league

With Ash Wake its even better

[quiet wolf]

Mmhmm

[wintry flame]

Mages + Golem will be fine for leveling mhm

I'll mostly do minion Army per usual

[pearl snow]

I was trying to do Uber on It last league maybe Ash Wake gives us a better chance even if its unrealistic still

[quiet wolf]

I still have a goal to do WF with Ash Wake + 100% free Ghostflame. Hehe.

[pearl snow]

I hate Ghostflame but I also like Chaos Bolts as a dmg skill so I cant talk

Theres also Ignite CB now that might even work wish Ash Wake, though HS is just strictly more dmg

[quiet wolf]

I am the opposite. I like Chaos Bolts OG before they changed it to feel like a burst skill.

[pearl snow]

Ive had Big Bolt CB on my list of Todos for awhile now

just cant get it working

[lost gale]

big bolts!

[quiet wolf]

Ignite Ash Wake + Spirit Plague and Bone Curse conversion with gloves then run Mages with Perseverance. Hits 50x a second at 5 mages with max CDR to 1.1 seconds.

Run the fire conversion relic too.

Plus, with 5 mages the aliments still do 3x with the 63% less damage vs. self-cast.

[pearl snow]

Which one is perserverance

[wintry flame]

and yeah not nearly enough rogues have nearly quadruple the multi access and it's barely good for some

[quiet wolf]

The HSouls in sequence.

[quiet wolf]

Fair.

[pearl snow]

Oh right

yeah thats a neat idea actually

I had a similar setup but ive been using Vomit Zombies and DreadShade auto casting to buff the whole army for Ignites

[quiet wolf]

Yeah, I did the math yesterday, at 5 mages it does 3x more ailment damage per cast cycle vs. if you self-cast. That is just the 63% reduction though. I didn't even add benefits of trees and ailments applied by multipliers that were increased in the trees. That was just comparing self vs. mages for proc rate to see if 5 mages can fire fast enough to make the 63% damage reduction worth it. Turns out it does.... by a lot. Lol

[pearl snow]

Damn

Yeah I think my setup atm uses that bone primo wand for +skilsl and minion spell dmg then the mana shield

[quiet wolf]

Yeah, add in stuff like Spirit Plague and Bone Curse that don't get a 63% reduction due to it being an external hit trigger... then you are still triggering those @ 50x a second.

I made a VERY BAD but janky "oops all ailments" planner for it... it is not optimized. More so just wanted to see where I can get solid increases and ailment chances if I didn't worry about conversion at all.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VX7dKP

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 5,001, Regen: 213.3/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 70%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 9 Dex / 24 Int / 9 Att / 82 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 108% / 68% / 20% / 20% / 200% / 166%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 67%, Threshold: 1,150
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (605)

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Summon Skeletal Mage / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Transplant

[quiet wolf]

Doesn't care about individual scaling for the mages, just only cares about CDR and ailment proc chance w/ damage increase for DoT.

[pearl snow]

Thats a neat idea, I might just do something and call it shotgun mages if I go that route

lol

[quiet wolf]

At 1.1 second CDR their cast speed gains on tree should be more than enough to trigger at 1.1 second cast.

[pearl snow]

Did we get confirmation on if the staff actually forces mages to fire in sequence since its not technically a skill tree mod

[quiet wolf]

We did a janky Jungle Queen Bee Belt build that spawns 152 bees with max potions for Queen and T8 bee spawn on potion.

I wanna try that too with either Bleed thru Bone Curse/Spirit Plauge too, or do the old school Bone Curse hit max with ramping spell and flat spell + flat curse damage in the Warlock tree.

Acoltye has some absolutely * chef's kiss * of janky cooking builds.

[wintry flame]

yes they said it's affected by uniques that affect HS

[pearl snow]

sick

[wintry flame]

the one issue is those procs don't have much scaling 🙁

[quiet wolf]

Yeah, not much. But with Ashes of Mortality that definitely means 2k ward everytime. 🤣

[wintry flame]

where is it converted tho?

[quiet wolf]

Gloves, if I change them to Hubris. That isn't in the one I linked. Neither is the Aura of Decay.

[wintry flame]

oh okay yeah I was gonna say I didn't see it

[quiet wolf]

The real one I will run will use INT stacking for Aura of Decay conversion with Ash Boots to get - fire res.

The one I linked just would be all ailments, just to see where/how I could get the most overall ailments on a single target at once. Haha

Not at all a real build.

[wintry flame]

gotcha, makes sense

[quiet wolf]

Only issue I have with the real one is where to get the Decrepfiy to happen. Can't use the Swine amulet since I need Formosus for for the CDR.

I hate that Ignite Overload and all the good DoT curse amp is locked behind Warlock 30+. Meanwhile I would lose 2 max mages by not going Necro.

Can't go Primal Bleed Gloves either because I have to have the 60% Idol effect on the Primal Relic....

🤷‍♂️

[quiet wolf]

@wintry flame https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL091wVk

This is the Ignite Conversion one. You only get a max CDR of 1.27 for this one, so only 44ish hit per second from the mages. Still decent.

You sadly have to run the Relic though. No idea what to do for a Primal in this one though.

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (23) / Necromancer (75) / Lich (10) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 4,385, Regen: 213.3/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 226%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 6 Dex / 102 Int / 6 Att / 83 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 112% / 72% / 66% / 66% / 201% / 167%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 877
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,034)

Used skills:

Hungering Souls / Summon Skeletal Mage / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay

[exotic widget]

How strong will be the minions suicide build?

[wintry flame]

yeah I was lost on primo for some of my builds as well

[wintry flame]

it will be good

[exotic widget]

Good means uber aberoth doable?

[wintry flame]

probably not

[exotic widget]

That’s sad

[wintry flame]

but who knows

[exotic widget]

We will see

[quiet wolf]

@wintry flame Do you know, does Infernal Aura stack on a Golem per cast? Says it has 10 second duration with 1 second CDR. Can I have 10+ instances per Golem then? Or does it replace itself each cast?

[wintry flame]

replaces

[quiet wolf]

Damn... RIP.

I need a possible good clear skill for AoE for the Mages with mono-skull. Might just skip Golems and go Flame Archers for more multipliers for the HSoul anyways.

[wintry flame]

pretty sure golem might not even cast until duration is over

[muted mist]

Does the aura stack if you have multiple golems?

It didn't seem feasible to juice multiple golem auras via bone kindling before, but it ought to work now

[wintry flame]

yes and you could get buff for golem army before too but lost access to skeletons 🙁

[muted mist]

Or be super hardcore and sacrifice skeletal mages instead, but you'd run out of spec slots very quickly

Possibly mana also

[wintry flame]

in current version, when you took the minions heal 20% health on other minions dying it didn't consume all your minions

so you could run mages with army and they would mostly stay

[hidden sable]

or go ghostflame and just autobomb hungering souls from soul bastion shield

[lost gale]

At what odds on polymarket would you bet on Abomination's Destruction Engine being fixed^ in 1.4?

^ie Abomination will not periodically sacrifice itself with or without sacrifice specialised to chain

[wintry flame]

it's fixed but deals no damage now jk

[ashen bluff]

man if those actually were HS

[lost gale]

one cast per 5 kills would be terrible

you can actually autobomb hungering souls with penance

sort of

it isn't very good

[ashen bluff]

yeah but it'd be better than what the shield does now

[lost gale]

now if your skelly mages could use that cast-when-hit hungering souls stuff with penance that would be something

[ashen bluff]

mages self cast HS will be great I trust

[lost gale]

seems like it'll maybe be decent

[ashen bluff]

I'm having some doubts, but we'll see tomorrow

It'll be like 4hrs after start that I'm home from work so yall let me know if its legit

[lost gale]

I wonder what a cooked destruction engine build actually looks like.

[ashen bluff]

the what now

[lost gale]

abomination sacrifice

Destruction Engine 0/1
When your abomination would devour a minion, it will instead be Sacrificed, consuming a percentage of Sacrifice's mana cost. This Sacrifice is cast by you and uses your Sacrifice tree.
Minions that are Sacrificed will not grant the abomination any benefits that come from devouring.
If Sacrifice chains, it will not chain to the abomination.
If you do not have enough mana to consume, the minion will instead be devoured.
Sacrifice Instead of Devour
Sacrifice Percent Mana Cost Consumed: 120%

[ashen bluff]

oh yeah probably something

I actually remember seeing a very solid build for that

I just dislike setting up abo

[lost gale]

doesn't need much setup for that build

as long as it has enough health not to die you don't really need anything else

[ashen bluff]

Personal prefs exists

[ashen bluff]

this is something I saved from last league
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe9M9GmQ

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 3: Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (55) / Lich (7) / Warlock (30)

General:

▸ Health: 3,997, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 160.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 244%, Regen: 117/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 12 Dex / 56 Int / 2 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 166% / 94% / 87% / 88% / 81% / 155% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 23%, Threshold: 799
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,497)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Bone Curse / Sacrifice / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination

This build has a guide:

Cinematic Build ► Abomination Executioner Necromancer — The Doom Brand Sacrifice by Pixel Aptitude

[autumn bough]

ook from 1:40 to 1 min kill on infernal shade

[pearl furnace]

anyone have any opinions on new ash and frost node for skele archers 🤔

[lost gale]

archers attack too slowly and have a painful less damage modifier but you can probably do something with the frost archers and lich's scorn

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/minion/SummonSKeletonArcher I mean look at this shit. 0.786 attacks per second (fire/frost get another 20% less!) and 28% less damage.

[vital verge]

Did we ever confirm how the new rogue buff per Archer and warrior works? I assume the more damage per sums over both types rather than multiplying per type?

[quiet wolf]

I figure they would just be good freeze bits with Formosus. That amuelt will be very good for the CDR minions too with the 40% CDR. If I was going Mages, would go the Skeleton Archers as cold for CC. Gives more HSoul multipliers anyways for having 3x as many vs. golems.

[crystal cobalt]

does anyone think Dreads puke zombie ignite with hungering souls will be good? Just don't want to start something awful

[quiet wolf]

Should be decent. No idea max corruption for it.

[lost gale]

zombie puke ailments looks like it'll be good

not top tier, even though you're gonna get thousands of stacks per second it probably won't do more damage than abom just wandering up and bonking things

[pearl furnace]

idk I am not great at this game since there is so much to it but i always try to make a build with skele archers

[lost gale]

I'd leave them on frost and use Lich's scorn to get loads of flat cold & cold pen along with cold AOD then

[pearl furnace]

i was thinking going a cold build main but might play with that point

[lost gale]

cold mages and cold archers could work together

[pearl furnace]

yea was going to go that way

[modern timber]

yo what do u guys level with when ur gonna play abomination necro??

[candid bough]

Did you get a dev response about your marrow shards question?

[lost gale]

sounds like you just get one splinter nova

[candid bough]

Thanks, that's abit of a shame but I suppose it makes sense

[wintry flame]

minion army, could even do bone golem shatter

[obtuse fossil]

This has likely been addressed at some point in the past 6-9 months but...there was a bug where Abomination would randomly kill itself when a certain passive was active. I recall the devs posting a note about it being fixed but...it was still an issue.

Does anyone know if this is still a problem?

[noble flame]

It's still a problem as of the end of S3. I didnt see anything in the notes for S4 either sadly

[night hemlock]

EHG fixing bugs?

[obtuse fossil]

augh! thanks for the info

[noble flame]

It's one of the builds I want to play the most, so I check it periodically lol

[obtuse fossil]

same

I might hop in just to confirm after I huff a can of hopium...

[night hemlock]

Are you talking about Contaminated Dreams?

Not sure that is a bug if you are

[raven rock]

Has anyone played lich flay but without reaper form?

[obtuse fossil]

Referring to the point that makes abom automatically eat your other minions. At least, that's what we THOUGHT was the cause of the issue back when I last played

Might be specifically casting the spell that sacs them actually...

Bah, lemme go look at the trees again, 1 sec

Destruction Engine, that one

[night hemlock]

Lich without Reaper?

[raven rock]

Yes

[night hemlock]

Why?

[raven rock]

Because it’s not a fun playstyle until you can sustain it

[wintry flame]

once you learn the replace reap and reset CD trick you can always sustain it

[night hemlock]

I understand it not being fun because I feel the same way about it but it's kind of integral

Not sure any Lich would ever not use Reaper

[raven rock]

I know but it’s really unfun, having to race to the next pack feeling on a timer

Well when they talked about flay last season they mentioned how you can use it not in reaper form. I know people were trying builds for it. But they probably don’t stick with it. The playstyle is fine once you get it going but it’s pretty unfun feeling like you are on a timer

Also I am not the biggest fan on how it looks honestly haha

Like I would love to just be able to cook up flay with lich stuff not having to slam reaper but it’s prob not good. But I know some people were playing it so I’m curious

[night hemlock]

You can use it not in Reaper Form

[raven rock]

Yes but it seemed like it wasn’t great not using it, was curious if anyone pushed content without it

[night hemlock]

If they did push without Reaper it was probably not on a Lich

But 99.9% of people played Lich so...

[raven rock]

Well you have to be lich to play flay no?

[night hemlock]

Not sure

[tender ridge]

yes, you do

[night hemlock]

Yeah, you do

[tender ridge]

flay takes 30+ points or something

[night hemlock]

Reaper Form it is

Yeah, 30

[tender ridge]

man I can't decide what to play first

[night hemlock]

You could play without Reaper if you really wanted to

[fathom moon]

is stygian lich fixed?

[night hemlock]

I'll probably play Oblation Mages again if I do end up playing

Still undecided if I want to play XD

No real content was added outside of a boss that is easier than Uberoth so eh...

Just power creep in a game that really didn't need it

[tender ridge]

mirrors are new mapping content

[night hemlock]

Meh

[tender ridge]

it's a reason to stay in echoes and kill stuff instead of just immediately leaving

which was one of the biggest complaint before. people said echoes were too much like a boss rush where you just run to the objective and leave

supposedly the runes of corruption only come from mirrors

[night hemlock]

They do from my understanding

But I am not too fussed about those

Just unneccesary power creep with no real content

[tall mural]

does flickering shadows also give more damage to exploding shades?

[old hull]

No

[tall mural]

shame

[hidden sable]

You can finish a map 100% and never exit reaper ez

[raven rock]

Yeah eventually not at first though, you can perma sit in it. But until then you are kind of a crack head racing to packs

[hidden sable]

I've always had it up 100% no stress idk man

[raven rock]

But none of that matters because my og question was just wanting to know if anyone played without it haha. There are tons of builds using it, have only found one or two without it. So wanted to ask here in case anyone did

[hidden sable]

do you have leech

its simply weird because the whole purpose of giving up the strength of Warlock and being Lich is the reaper form

[raven rock]

Well kind of, Stygian crit lich was a big thing played awhile ago without it

Like it’s been done

[tender ridge]

i still wanna make a non-coal drain life work

[unreal hill]

I did a build like that last league abusing aod. It was fun but slow

[pearl snow]

Has anyone who hit the current filter limit explain to me how you managed to do so?

[hidden sable]

probably trying to collect gear for multiple characters at the same time

I hit 35 with one character so if I was collecting 3 characters I might be struggling to hit under 75

[tall mural]

Think I might start cold marrow shards just because we can get the leech gloves right from the get go

[rotund verge]

what build are u guys playing this season as an acolyte

[vestal sedge]

MG filters are bloated

take every s tier build and their gear into one filter

[vestal sedge]

popping skellies for levelling, then abo or skeleton mages+ hungering souls... but I feel like they will die in high corruption

[summer breach]

hope they dont die cause i have the same gameplan xd

i guess ill swap to zombie warlock if it goes badly

[vestal sedge]

I also liked bleed lock with new marrow shards

[summer breach]

too much stuff to try

[vestal sedge]

but abo is my failsafe

can even use same gear from ablation levelling gear and skip mages if I dont feel it

[summer breach]

is there to make abso have clear

[vestal sedge]

abo is slower on clear cauze its 1 hit kill on everything but bosses with ward breakpoints

but its chill

just buff it with bone curse and keep enemies in aura decay

[wintry flame]

you can run plague on hit idols for a bit better clear, but falls off at higher corruption

[vestal sedge]

+minion armies will die on high corruption

[vestal sedge]

thats smart

[wintry flame]

also abo usually takes a single point in stomp to help with clear

[vestal sedge]

yeh

from golems

[wintry flame]

with all the cdr you can get this patch it'll be goated

[vestal sedge]

it never felt too slow to me
but I get that rogue umbral blades dodgers will feel like its slow

one things I hate is the qol on abo
they took skelly respawns away so now we spam zombies to meet the 20 minions quota? hows that better for players

[pallid plume]

Hey in skeleton mages setup how much dmg does chaos bolt actually give ?

Could I drop chaos bolt for golem or another skill or is it just too much dmg to drop ?

[vestal sedge]

for levelling take golem

then I would swap to bolts later

[pallid plume]

Im more thinking can I keep using golem over chaos bolt.

Like if my goal is just a 500c level for HC

[vestal sedge]

you can, it will just lower their damage output

and i guess you get more tankiness from golems creating threat levels

[pallid plume]

How much dmg loss would it be?

Are we talking 15-20% dmg loss or like 40% here ?

[pallid plume]

That was my thinking

[vestal sedge]

its flat damage+ cast speed

I would take it over golems once you get bored and have mana to spare

[pallid plume]

Hmm its not like crazy dmg right?

[vestal sedge]

500c is not that high, should be fine (?)
I would be more worried about minions dying too much

[pallid plume]

Yeah i was thinking we get some minion life and minions cant be crit unique ring.

[wintry flame]

it can be quite a bit of damage, at higher mana levels if mana stacking, then you're looking at 75-100 flat damage, then cast speed, and can add QoL or a little ailment chance which is more damage.

[pallid plume]

Hmm so if i had 1k mana its 50 flat dmg.

That is like double T7 on weapon...

Just thinking i would be replacing mana on gear with something else however

[wintry flame]

you could. most are utilizing it because you stack mana for many things. nodes in hungering souls and then mages

[pallid plume]

Those have a cap right ?

I seem to remember the built in mage per mana stuff is limited to 200 mana ?

[pearl snow]

That makes sense

[pallid plume]

Do the skeletons use our souls tree ?

[vestal sedge]

yeh

they do now

will do

in few hours

[pallid plume]

Okay so thats another new angle for mana

I was thinking about a Profane explode style which is why I missed that

[vestal sedge]

also this i guess

[pallid plume]

The more dmg per mana is big tho. Like you might just stack mana even without chaos bolt

Im now conflicted

Im either Profane mages or mass minion.

Worry is mass minion defence at higher corruption

[vestal sedge]

Imma levelling with profane

shoudl be smooth til empowered

[pallid plume]

Also I seemed to have missed how soon the season is....

[pallid plume]

Yeah for HC the ward on minion death is also just nice.

[wintry flame]

yeah even profane is good

stack mana for % more dmg and flat from chaos

[pallid plume]

Yeah maybe you just cant avoid the mana stacker option later.

I was thinking if im in HC and not going over if golem could be better

[quiet wolf]

No just mana for that one. We did the math earlier on ailment with the Perseverance staff.

With 5 mages and decent CDR it does roughly 3x+ damage for ailments vs the regular function.

Can get between 40-50 hits a second too with stacking 5 mages and enough CDR.

Could scale it pretty well then with converting it to fire possibly for Soulfire relic and using Ash to make - res for fire pen with Aura of Decay.

[pallid plume]

Yeah i just didn't think about it since I was thinking Profane as my dmg choice.

[quiet wolf]

Profane will still be bonkers honestly.

I don't think Death Blossom will be S tier, but it should be solid A tier and very beautiful to play.

[pallid plume]

Yeah Profane just come with the nice ward on minion death package.

But i guess even if I wanted to drop chaos bolt the scaling from mana on base skeleton mages is good.

[summer breach]

i asked on youtube comments but guess ill just ask here while ur around. for the skelly mage build how exactly do you do the snapshotting with celestial doom and when do you have to refresh it

[vivid valve]

How bad is profane lock without red rings ?

I don't expect to get those on mg

[quiet wolf]

I do think that the Ghostflame Idols with 110-140ish% idol effect could get bonkers. Free Ghostflame + Witchfire + Aura of Decay + Profane once in a while = tons of AoE clear and tons of Ward gen.

[vivid valve]

Or rip blood warlock same question

On red rings

I saw on Max roll it said two rr

[pallid plume]

Sorry wrong class

[wintry flame]

when you summon mages. if you were doing a full snapshot, you'd put on celestial doom, spam bone curse until you hit cap or the max mana you can generate, then summon. They will refresh on zone change and re-log. In monos, they last while there unless something was change regarding that. Put on Lich's and do dread shade, then wear proper main hand and offhand.

[vivid valve]

Ooh ok

[pallid plume]

Red rings are like solid

[vivid valve]

I'm not getting those sadly

I play mg

[pallid plume]

Just use another option and its fine.

[vivid valve]

Which is best replacement

[pallid plume]

Red rings are just the solid option.

You can just use any rings with that stats you want.

[vivid valve]

I see

[summer breach]

ah okay yeah if i can go mono grinding without having to do it again then its fine

[vestal sedge]

Phantoms on bleedlock?

[quiet wolf]

Lich buff stays with refreshing Dread as long as it doesn't fall off completely right?

[quiet wolf]

My bad. Thought they were talking about the Mage build.

[wintry flame]

what do you mean by refreshing shade?

[quiet wolf]

The snapshot you described for the shade made it sound like the buff from that stays after you swap back to the other weapon set. It falls off eventually though.

Seems like an insane amount of work for a little more dps.

[wintry flame]

dread shade doesn't fall off it lasts infinitely

[summer breach]

which lich buff are u talking about

[quiet wolf]

Ah yeah, forgot you can remove the debuff with a node.

The Lich Scorn set. Gives flat cold per infernal shade that is active when you cast dread shade.

[vital verge]

Any time you see two red rings you can basically replace them with 'once you've completely beaten the game' they're not important and including them in a baseline build is frankly bad practice (fine if they're listed as aspirational). Ditto for the Uber Abberoth uniques.

[quiet wolf]

I immediately lose all respect for Uber Abby builds that show Uber Abby stuff in their build..hahaha

[wintry flame]

if you play CoF, red rings are more of a threshold of favor to get 😛

I guess the same for MG but it's gold

[quiet wolf]

Still never gotten one in CoF. Haha

[wintry flame]

interesting I usually get them via prophecies

[vital verge]

Yeah RR is more defensible than Uber Abby in baseline builds

Since it's just time investment+good farming strategy

It is a significant amount of both

[vivid valve]

Problem last season there weren't even any in the ah with lp. Instantly bought or sold 3rd party for over gold cap

At least when I played

[hushed dew]

guys, skel mage projectiles can shotgun right?

[vital verge]

I don't think so?

[hushed dew]

they can't multihit??

[vital verge]

If you mean hungering Souls absolutely not unless you use curse of perseverance

[hushed dew]

nop dread bolt i mean

[vital verge]

The base ones I'm not 100% but I don't think so either

[wintry flame]

no, unless you go hungering souls and run curse of perserverance

[hushed dew]

lol

[wintry flame]

each mage hits, but only 1 hit per mage from basics

[vivid valve]

How often is profane veil up in pf warlock

[hushed dew]

that's so frustrating

[wintry flame]

used to be a bug back in the day where cryo's would shotgun and it made them better 😛

[pallid plume]

Okay done some playing around.

I think technically i can just replace any mana mods on gear for skeleton mages with generic minion dmg or levels stuff.

From what the planner says i will still have the dps for the level of content im looking at.

[vivid valve]

Pf warlock seems kinda OP you get decent uptime on invulnerability right?

[pallid plume]

Did any of the minions get big changes or was it just the souls for mages and fire arrow for archer stuff ?

Just thinking if zoo style with mass cooldown is good enough now.

[pallid plume]

Yeah but you move slower while in that so its not super popular as people like to go fast

[vestal sedge]

zoo suffers from survivability

high corruption kills minions and abbey kills them too

thats why people go one uber buffed minion

mages can cast as many souls as they want but if they die to any aoe its hard to play them

I will still try them cauze the gear overlaps with abo buuut if I dont feel it I go abo build

[pallid plume]

Yeah its why im thinking an option if im just going to 500c at max cos HC.

[vestal sedge]

theres little risk tho

early build-wise
basically unique stay same
abo want melee and mages want cast affixes

I dont like mages I go abo

just focus on pale ox + grips in the first hours

[hushed dew]

cold mage sound s still really great even tho they don't shotgun, 10m dps not hard

I like the cold version the most cause I can use mana-ward conversion boots

[vestal sedge]

I am not worried about dps
I need them to live to do dps

[hushed dew]

resummon them xd

[pallid plume]

Minion players will do anything other than invest into minion defences

[vestal sedge]

ressumon them- shade em- they continue attack

[vestal sedge]

see thats the abo vs anything else
abo wont die
if I have to invest 50% of my gear to make mages live at all
abo is better by default

[hushed dew]

you dont need to cast shade on all of them, just 1. do you

[vestal sedge]

them dying and me summonig them and then them continue attacking is dps loss

its not critical, but its there

[hushed dew]

I'm totally fine as long as they survive 500c

cause it's just my starter

[quiet seal]

Just surious, how you are making this calculation? Is there a build maker that works things liek that out for you?

[hushed dew]

patch notes are out and you have a planner

[pallid plume]

Does abom work without the whole horrible swap all my skills stuff tho ?

Main issue with abom when I accidently press the button while mapping and need to do full process all over again.

[vestal sedge]

nope
gotta cast skellies and mages til cap
golems til cap
zombies til 19 minions
and wraith

cauze they nerferd the unsummon vs dying skelly interaction to make it more unfriendly while not fixing anything

[drowsy anvil]

Will there be any changes to the Acolyte skills or skill tree in the upcoming season?

[vestal sedge]

I hope so

[vestal sedge]

oh this season, patchnotes are out

[vivid valve]

What's the tankiest acolyte build?

[vestal sedge]

lot of them, but they are low life aka ward builds

[unreal hill]

probly something with that flower ammy and phys aura of decay

[quiet seal]

Yeah, I've made a cold mage build planner myself for S4, just not sure how I'd calculate the dps lol. I don't think my mages will die anytime soon, 6k armour and 70 all res, and with 5 points in the new leech/life multiplier node they will be unkillable I recon (my goal is to have them take down uber aberoth)

[hushed dew]

add and multiplicate the numbers, thats all lol

and monsters have innate 87% dr

[quiet seal]

I'll try it! Thanks heh

[vestal sedge]

warlock has veilbuilds, necro has minions and dmg redirection and lich has second form
all have strong ward

[quiet seal]

87% okay, that's a good to know

[nocturne viper]

Will mana flay lich still be good

[hushed dew]

infernal necromancer is also crazy tanky

[unreal hill]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omEwlVro
Can't remember if I finished this build, but exsang makes you immune to bleed. And you use aura of decay to get phys damage reduction. Then the immortal blossom converts various damage types taken to phys.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 3: Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (10) / Lich (50) / Warlock (33)

General:

▸ Health: 3,636, Regen: 823.6/s
▸ Mana: 157.9, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 98 Str / 12 Dex / 98 Int / 19 Att / 60 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 60% / 60% / 155% / 16% / 76% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 187%, Threshold: 1,778
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (537)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 75% (8,298)
▸ Block Chance: 79%, Mitigation: 50% (2,050)

Used skills:

Aura Of Decay

[quiet seal]

oh, that's a nice use of immortal blossom, I like it

[unreal hill]

thanks :D

[pearl snow]

Yes

[modern timber]

yo u still here bro?

[quiet seal]

I've managed to get +465 flat spell damage and +1245% damage increase, then I guess there is all the smaller individual multipliers outside of the addative

[modern timber]

yo

@quiet seal what do you go for leveling?

u also do minions?

[quiet seal]

Cold mages, but this is late game aspirational gear with perfect corruptions

well, T5 corruptions

[modern timber]

u guys are too good lol

[wintry flame]

what up

[quiet seal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozw8Pwlv tell me what you think - I;d love some feedback from anyone with improvements

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,524, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,229.51, Regen: 24.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 346%, Regen: 112/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 11 Dex / 173 Int / 11 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 176% / 72% / 77% / 87% / 95% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,357
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (44)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,958)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade / Aura Of Decay

[modern timber]

i wanna do abomination necro

[quiet seal]

Oh Zeckar, can you check my build out for problems? improvements?

[quiet seal]

ah yeah, it'll be super strong no doubt, I played it last season so looking for something different

[drowsy anvil]

Wow, this is huge☕️🗿

[quiet seal]

I'd love to see a fun build for them, something with Jade Dust maybe

[wintry flame]

abom is pretty damn good 😄

[drowsy anvil]

This is also interesting. I need to think about it🤔

[wintry flame]

I looked, only thing I'd say is sustain. Idk what your sustain is in that build

[drowsy anvil]

I've never heard of builds using them. Did the developers decide they have a right to exist too?🌜

[quiet seal]

Hum, well, I was assuming the ward per cast of chaos bolts, then you've so the leech from golems, plus aarons, plus bee's dieing gives health, and rip blood from procs. Would it not generate enough ward you think? The relic?

[pearl furnace]

as im working on this skele frost archer build i noticed the node now apply's a DoT frostbite instead of freeze rate like it used to

kinda makes me think there is a place for Minion DoT build some how with ash and fire bases around that kind of thing. But im hella newb and just like theory crafting lol

[quiet seal]

I think there is for sure, stack vit and go for it imo

[drowsy anvil]

Golem fire aura also applies burn now

[wintry flame]

you'd have to do the math to approximate it. I'm not familiar with all those setups combined. Can you cast enough without running out of mana, how much does your golem hit to give you the hp, and would the health gain be enough to offset the twisted affix and get a good ward pool? Those are the questions I have 😛

[quiet seal]

Awesome stuff for me to think on and hopefully find answers to as I play it out 😄 thanks a lot for taking the time to look it over 👍

[pearl furnace]

correct me if im wrong but if you have passive nodes for minions to have chance on hit for frostbite and ignite both have a chance to proc each hit right?

[drowsy anvil]

They’ve actually done this

[echo coral]

Is Mana Flay Lich just a better variant of the Melee Harvest Flay version? Or are they pretty equal in terms of how far they can push into the deep end game?

[wintry flame]

of course, no problem! 🙂 can always just slap on low life temporarily too if things aren't working as expected.

[wintry flame]

correct

[quiet seal]

true actually, I hadn;t thought of that, good back up plan, or just a point to start from until I get the main pieces together

@wintry flame Have you picked a build to start with yet? 😄 you put together so many fun looking minion builds lol

[wintry flame]

I think I might go Crit HS mages, depending on how it feels I'll either swap to spectres or add the bee tech and keep going with mages

[quiet seal]

cool, HS mages looks great

[wintry flame]

Yeah, I'm tempted to try leveling with them but also not so tempted

but like Mortars probably will be good

[quiet seal]

without cooldown it might be a bit rough

[pearl furnace]

if you have 200% ignite chance it does 2 stacks per hit right?

[wintry flame]

yupp

[pearl furnace]

how does 150% get computed?

[wintry flame]

1 stack then 50% chance to get another

[pearl furnace]

ahhh

[quiet seal]

flip a coin

[pearl furnace]

got it

[sly forge]

way better variant

[echo coral]

Gotcha. Maxroll says its pretty investment heavy, any recommendation of what to play before swapping to it?

[pallid plume]

You just play normal flay until you can do mana flay

[drowsy anvil]

Honestly, I like that the developers are moving away from the "one-minion army" approach. There's nothing beautiful about having only Abomination or Wrath King following you. Sure, they're incredibly powerful, but it's just... not pleasing to the eye🤔

[obtuse quest]

But due to the existance of dread shade and infernal shade’s buffs solo minions are better by default, at least on paper

[echo coral]

With how many minion items/builds are in the game they should let single minion and zoo playstyles exist together. No reason to exlude one or the other

[buoyant robin]

how is Abomination compare to last season?

[teal minnow]

regarding flay, there are also crit and bleed varriants out there in the wild maxroll just doesnt have those varriants

[frank brook]

Looks like it lost a bit of power, but also is a little less annoying to summon.

[buoyant robin]

i saw no one take the bow node for him, isnt it?

[frank brook]

Don't completely understand. If you're asking if anyone uses the bow node some people do. It's less common as a lot of the build guides focus on other things, but there was a pretty solid build revolving around that last season that did work. Used it for a little bit myself, but liked the other better ultimately.

[buoyant robin]

i tried to cook death knight build with hungering soul cause I really like it, but after taking all advise from others I still doesn't know which direction should I go - crit with hit or scaling ailment, I'm lost :D, so maybe stick with something stable first 😄

[obtuse quest]

They generally don’t do it on purpose

They’re just not that good at balancing

[frank brook]

I'll probably run the new DKs with soul as I level. It may not pan out for high corruption, but that doesn't stop it from being pretty tanky and pretty badass until C150-200 ish

That or some fire golems.

[summer breach]

seems to be a case of dot early crit late game

[abstract summit]

if anything harvest flay is a budget variant of the real deal, that is mana stacking 🙂

[drowsy anvil]

When I last played, Dread Shade applied all bonuses in AoE, and you could attach multiple Inferno Shades. However, they nerfed Inferno Shades in this patch.

Here

[obtuse quest]

The aoe generally doesn’t cover more than one minion type, and the minion being buffed is generally stronger than the ones in aura

Eg: the crit node

[drowsy anvil]

Oh, and there was a set that gave flat ice damage for the number of Inferno Shades attached🤔 Like more than 100 flat damage in AoE of a Dread Shade

[old hull]

Yep, still is

[drowsy anvil]

I know that in this game, the only damage builds that work are those with a lot of independent multipliers (which is sad). But I still believe that 10 weaker minions have more potential than one stronger one. 😅 And my faith is strong.

[old hull]

It does, in some cases

Minion count is just another multiplier, really

[obtuse quest]

You just need the minion count to beat the multipliers you miss for not running solo minion.
That’s just a hard gap to close.

[teal minnow]

thinking crit or bleed flay might cap out higher than mana with the S4 changes

but we shall see

[tall mural]

Im getting conflicting info on whether or not flickering shadows also affect explode infernal shades

[buoyant robin]

Isolation node on Hungering soul make it size bigger, so it can hit only one target or multiple target?

[obtuse quest]

It never hits more than one

[old hull]

Flickering shadows's alt text claims it does not apply to ailments nor subskills (the explosion is a subskill)

[obtuse quest]

The size is just hitbox incase an enemy moves out of the way

[buoyant robin]

with 1.5s cooldown of hungering soul for 5 skeleton mage + big skull do you think their clearspeed is enough?

[tall mural]

im seeing a few builders that are claiming it does

[old hull]

If it's bugged, then that's possible, and simple to test... it has been a while since I last played around with it

[tall mural]

I never have so Ive got no clue

I guess maybe its just to boost the aura dmg before the pop

[buoyant robin]

Death knight also have Necrotic Mortar skill too, but if we transfer hungering soul to fire and aura of decay to fire, this is waste :/

[tall mural]

you know, looking over marrow shards, surprised there isnt a necrotic conversion

[tender ridge]

the cold conversion was added in 1.3 with literally 0 notes about it. just kinda dropped with the rest of the patch

[tall mural]

Im aware about the cold one, just saying Im surprised necrotic isnt there somewhere given how many conversions for other skills there are

[old hull]

My headcanon is they planned the marrow shards rework to come with lich's and it missed the cut line

[pearl snow]

based

[tall mural]

who knows

[old hull]

The smelter's direction change while charging is one that Mike was working on for the sentinel update a few back that finally made it in now

[tall mural]

actaully, cold crit lich might be good too

[abstract summit]

maybe but mana also gets a metric fton more from the new idol altars
mana stacker flay was also crit capped btw so not sure what "crit flay" refers to

[teal minnow]

example of crit flay i've seen, adjusted for S4 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09y36j

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (72) / Warlock (21)

General:

▸ Health: 4,579, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 502.37, Regen: 18.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 190%, Regen: 46/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 50 Dex / 53 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 51% / 51% / 51% / 98% / 65% / 113% / 23%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 71%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (200)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,938)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Harvest / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Flay / Marrow Shards

[abstract summit]

this is just a bad version of mana stacking flay tbh 🙂

[teal minnow]

shrug, guess we shall see once people have gear anyways what rises to the top with all the new stuff

don't see anything wrong with it on paper at least

[abstract summit]

nothing wrong with it but the damage is not even close imo. it has 40% chance for +300% crit multi, the baseline crit multi of the two builds are the same
but minus 1500 max mana which is an insanely huge multiplier. plus less attack speed and less % increased dam as far as I can tell

[teal minnow]

the varriant i linked unless im just reading it wrong should be capped for both crit chance and crit multi

[abstract summit]

same as mana stacking

the only extra juice the linked setup has is deadly strikes, vs thousands of mana

[teal minnow]

fair enough, planning on making a lootfilter that will essentially flag both varriants gear and then i can just play whichever i have more for

[abstract summit]

weapons and boots are shared, idols and slams are the big difference mostly

different ammy ofc as well

dont use shattered chains in 1.4 btw

[teal minnow]

oh yah chain got nerfed

[abstract summit]

ye, brewmaster or immolator usually

[teal minnow]

brewmaster just kinda universally good on anything tbh

just a really solid base

[abstract summit]

yap. immolator is a little bit of extra spell damage boost for bossing but you dont rly need it for anything else

[teal minnow]

we shall see how far i push the flay lich, planning on starting it but i do also want to make a VK Abyssal Echos build somewhat quick

and i want to finally try playing a spellblade at some point

[abstract summit]

as you said in sent channel it defo farms fast 😄

[teal minnow]

yah it do

i love how the build feels too, just didn't play hardly at all last season cuz of irl and by the time i had time they had already announced S4 so i was like, eh i'll wait

[abstract summit]

risky plan but it worked out lol

tbh im completely dumbfounded that they didnt touch it at all

[teal minnow]

yah this season looks crazy fun

[ashen bluff]

crit hs will have a tad slow of a clear but do remember the dk's do melee inbetween using their skills - the mortar helps too indeed

[buoyant robin]

if we have big skull node, does we still need Perseverance staff?

[ashen bluff]

you never need the staff <_<

it also does not synergize with big node at all

[buoyant robin]

ah rite

[obtuse quest]

Big skull for single taget setups, Perseverance for clear/Dot setups

[buoyant robin]

also how does crit chance count for minion crit chance and their skill use?
Like mage have 10% base crit, skull spell have 10% crit, these gonna combine and then multiple with %increased crit chance?

[ashen bluff]

pers doesn't really help clear it exists to make st better on dots

[obtuse quest]

Add together but treat the base 5% that everything gets as if it doesn’t stack

(Basically you have to recalculate)

[buoyant robin]

swap staff when bossing? 😄

[buoyant robin]

i dont understand this...

[ashen bluff]

It's an option but I'll personally just use gear that actually makes my guys scale more

I'm also planning on using vomit zombies for ST

[obtuse quest]

Base 5% crit chance + (skele mages crit chance - 5% base) + (hungering souls specific crit chance- 5% base)
Something like that

[ashen bluff]

DK's have a crit of 15% but that's probably only for their attacks right? <_<

[obtuse quest]

What 15% crit

They base as a minion is 5% as usual

Oh

The node

That makes their crit 20% base lmao

[ashen bluff]

No it says "base 15%"

Skeleton Death Knights have 200 base health and 15% base critical strike chance.

[buoyant robin]

😮

i assume it's general?

[buoyant robin]

does zombie dmg come from vomit or explosion?

[ashen bluff]

vomit replaces explosion

dmg comes from 3000% dot chance per second

[buoyant robin]

so you're doing dot ailment scaling?

instead of crit

for both DK and zombie

[ashen bluff]

yeah if that wasnt clear

[buoyant robin]

vomit cant crit sadly :D, cant scale both crit for DK and zombie

[ashen bluff]

Yeah I don't like the crit avenue for dk's

If I go crit mages I'll drop HS and just do cold mages so cast speed actually scales DPS

[obtuse quest]

Where did you find that text
Nevermind found it.

[obtuse quest]

Zombies will still explode on death with vomit specced

[buoyant robin]

how can you scale minion dmg over time? that's suffix appear on spear but not staff :/

[obtuse quest]

% inc minion damage also boosts their dot

[buoyant robin]

which suff/pre you gonna pick on staff for dot build? only poison/nec penetrate?

[obtuse quest]

DK has 15% base, Tree can give another 15%, HS has a node that give itself 15%...

Sharpen bones can give 5% more, River of Bones gives up to 100% increased.

Yeah that's crit cap for DK HS lmao, no items required

[autumn bough]

🤣

[pallid plume]

Okay operation profane mages planner is done.

Still looking solid. Question now is how much do I change the build for non mana stacking stuff. I guess the plus levels / crit / dmg is the option.

[pearl snow]

your health is playing ping pong

[autumn bough]

thats cause boss is in immunity phases and i have twisted heart

u can see in the end when those end full hp/ward

[pearl snow]

makes sense, I figured it was that or that one necro sac hp for frenzy node

[ashen bluff]

the vomit will never end! infinite sustain zombies /jk

[ashen bluff]

mana stackin

not using staff in endgame unless I go super mana stacker corrupt staff

it's either the primordial wand or mana tithe

[buoyant robin]

no +2 max mage staff?

[ashen bluff]

keybind shaming you wtf do you mean Z, X & 4!?

[autumn bough]

im playing mkb+joystick xdd

thumb on joystick, fingers on zxcv

[buoyant robin]

Also, does Emerging Terrors (100% cast Dread Shade on Zombies) and Beyond Death (When a minion targeted by a Dread Shade dies, you have 100% chance to summon a single Volatile Zombie from its corpse) is a good combo?

[autumn bough]

4/1 on mouse

[ashen bluff]

Oh okay sure

I was trying to figure out are you from madagascar cos that seemed like some long fingered lemur setup

[ashen bluff]

? that doesn't exist

the champ affix is for maximum skeletons

[buoyant robin]

Blight of lachesis staff

[ashen bluff]

oh that yeah no

[autumn bough]

necro and warlock are best casters in last epoch change my mind

😤

[ashen bluff]

I'm probably going archmage to carry the dreadshade

early on its a good ww item to use sure

[buoyant robin]

does this benefit your build?

[autumn bough]

if you are low life and using AOD u can just use revenant

[ashen bluff]

and waste points getting revenant node? <_>

[autumn bough]

better than wasting whole skill slot?

lmfao

[ashen bluff]

... it's a skelemage build

wtf you mean wasting

[autumn bough]

oh ok them thought you were doing zombos

[ashen bluff]

Both, zombos for ST more than clear

[ashen bluff]

it's got potential but I'm not probably using that in like the proper build: considering the auto caster early cos it lets you get shades going at like lvl 16 and should be a decent boost to clearing monos at sub 30

the builds largest scaling vector is mana stackin and mods like this are possible

[buoyant robin]

mana scaling is huge on zombie vomit 😄

[ashen bluff]

it's huge for mages, hs, chaos bolt & vomit

[buoyant robin]

how hs got scale for mana? i cant find it

ah spell dmg per mana

but it for hit not dot... better than nothing 😄

[wicked abyss]

If I post a barebones build here what are the chances one of you lads will help me with gear selection

[buoyant robin]

but isnt this is mix between dot and hit? as you mention your build is dot-orient

[ashen bluff]

you don't find out if you don't post

[wicked abyss]

True

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6LW0J5

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Necromancer (79) / Lich (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,148, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 85%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 25 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 30% / 0% / 0% / 78% / 8%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 230

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade / Summon Wraith

[wicked abyss]

That's the one I love but I've never really thought about specific gear

[ashen bluff]

applying damnation, added spell dmg counts as base dmg for it

[ashen bluff]

"barebones" is an understatement you have nothing here lmao

[wicked abyss]

Yep

Just base skills and talents

[ashen bluff]

okay profane oblation w wraiths* as extra

[obtuse quest]

Don't even need any uniques?

[ashen bluff]

like gear is whatever stats you need pmuch, one immediate thing is that don't you wanna remove archers on oblation builds

and isn't immortal pointless cos you wanna spam skellies out not wait 3s for one maybe respawn

[buoyant robin]

added spell dmg increased "damned" dot?

[obtuse quest]

What?

[wicked abyss]

But I can spam zombies in the meantime before casting more skellies

[obtuse quest]

Quick question

Why are we mixing wraiths as well?

[pearl snow]

Ignore res and stuff, more of a proof of concept. But this should keep me super low hp all the time regardless of Chaos Bolts constantly giving me like 16hp per bolt per hit?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owL2rZ59

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (72) / Warlock (21)

General:

▸ Health: 1,838, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 185.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 185%, Regen: 200/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 19 Dex / 61 Int / 9 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 56% / 60% / 20% / 59% / 25% / 282% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 405
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,154)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal / Reaper Form / Bone Curse

[pearl snow]

my full offline characters are poor as hell I cant test anything anymore

[ashen bluff]

no sorry doesn't I dunno why I was thinking of torment lmao, its just a more dmg vector for them to hit with while doing dots

[ashen bluff]

point on oblation is you wouldn't have time to they get sacced as soon as you spawn em

afaik

[fallen knoll]

just spam skeleton mages? All golems should get a stack so u only need to cast 1 mage per sec. Also vanguards wont work for pyre golem

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Necromancer (79) / Lich (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,148, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 85%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 25 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 30% / 0% / 0% / 78% / 8%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 230

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade / Summon Wraith

[wicked abyss]

Wait

It didn't change

Wtf

Why...

[obtuse quest]

Did you reclick the share button

[wicked abyss]

No....

[obtuse quest]

You should.

[wicked abyss]

I already closed it

Goddamnit

[ashen bluff]

ctrl shift t

on the browser

[sly forge]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide

right now you can swap the summon a minion skill to another skill bar and the minion wont die anymore right?

since maxroll says swapping zombie to wraith during the process here

[ashen bluff]

the minion doesn't exist cos abo ate it

[wicked abyss]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ3ORPgD

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Necromancer (79) / Lich (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,332, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 154%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 25 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 91% / 95% / 116% / 23% / 180% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 266
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (548)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade / Summon Wraith

[ashen bluff]

this... looks bad

[wicked abyss]

How so?

[obtuse quest]

Why are we running hollow fingers, I thought this is a profane mage setup

[wicked abyss]

Idk I'm not familiar with all the gear

What you consider basic knowledge is not for me duh

[obtuse quest]

Why are you increasing max skeleton counts when you're not ever hitting the max skeleton count past 6?

[wicked abyss]

Good question

Idk

[ashen bluff]

You would benefit a lot from reading a guide on the build and watching a video

[wicked abyss]

I'm making my own build I just thought it looked fun and I've played it since season 1

Just never geared it properly

[ashen bluff]

Generally speaking the point of oblation is to have mages out that automatically sac skeletons you summon then that causes you to gain things cos minions die

[obtuse quest]

Fair, but I think max skeletons past like 8 wouldn't matter, you won't be summoning them quicker than the mages will bomb them

[ashen bluff]

I also don't understand why we're maxing wraiths here

[obtuse quest]

Yeah Not sure how wraiths fit into the setup either

[wicked abyss]

Cuz they are the only minions that can hold my dreadshade permanently

Plus they look cool

[obtuse quest]

You could slap them onto the mages instead, and give the mages leech.

[ashen bluff]

the mages are there <_<

[obtuse quest]

Which is right there if you max their crit chance.

[wicked abyss]

I use summon mage as traversal skill

[ashen bluff]

doesn't remove the mages from existing? <_<

[obtuse quest]

Which doesn't change much

[wicked abyss]

It does if I remove the mage with the shade

I have to recast

Which is annoying

[ashen bluff]

afaik you never have time to spam zombies with oblation builds either so that's a lil dead

[obtuse quest]

And how does it

Oh

Teleporting

[wicked abyss]

Ye

[obtuse quest]

Duh

[ashen bluff]

could replace zombies with a golem that carries the shade instead >_>

[obtuse quest]

Here's your fix

This works too

(Which means you can do minion teleporting using an unspecced transplant even)

[ashen bluff]

yeah then just use transplant on bars instead of speccin into mage tp

having minions move around w you isn't that important either

you set them to defensive and they'll run to you

[wicked abyss]

I kinda hoped to get gear advice

[ashen bluff]

This is part of gearing

[obtuse quest]

This is technically gear advice

Somethings can be replaced by the right gear

[wicked abyss]

Yeah... Tnx I guess I'll wing it

[ashen bluff]

I forgot that exists

so you can take zombies off the bar and just have them automated that's neat

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[ashen bluff]

would it be worth to drop wraith and go AoD maybe even the fire convert version <_<

[wicked abyss]

I could actually take the zombies off the bar true

[ashen bluff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qqwg6mlN

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (10) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,368, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 526.97, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 244%, Regen: 88/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 50 Int / 2 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 48% / 48% / 72% / 73% / 0% / 228% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 274
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (807)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade / Summon Bone Golem

[ashen bluff]

there's some suggestions

[wicked abyss]

I'll keep the wraith cuz of style points but the gear suggestions I'll thankfully receive also ty for keeping it real with the tiers I play ssf

Is there an alternative for 1-h + off hand gear btw?

That staff was about the only thing I could find quickly

[ashen bluff]

yeah loads

[glossy willow]

Is flay mana stacker still good in ss4 guys?

[ashen bluff]

can fix res with blessing + some node changes, generally if you're going crit you'd also want to take some multi nodes, wraiths had no point use golem instead it actually buffs your guys too, dread shade didn't have the armour node, forgot to swap skellies to remove the archers

[wicked abyss]

Is there even a difference if I have archers? They will spawn and explode just the same

[ashen bluff]

I believe they wanna do it on sacrifice I believe cos of minion hp I guess not if they don't run off the enemy >_>

[wicked abyss]

Hmm I'll consider it if they run off like cowards

[ashen bluff]

you have extra points anyway

[wicked abyss]

I'll probably adapt as I play

That's the best part of LE anyway

I do appreciate the gear direction tho

I've always been negligent in that regard

[ashen bluff]

Reach of the Grave is a great super early wand for skelly mages, Horn of the Bone Wisp is a strict upgrade

And if you're critting on minions you can't ignore Apogee Sword + Lich's Catalyst tho the cold convert screws you a lil with oblation

Sinathia's mace + shield set is also great defensively

[wicked abyss]

Saved on a note

I'll read about the items when I'm on my home pc

[ashen bluff]

Wait someone told me last week mortar gets converted w cold / fire mages does oblation? <_<

[wicked abyss]

With the skill points I saved from the teleport I set them Into mortar mayself

[ashen bluff]

don't, you don't want em casting any other spell when you're spammin mages

[wicked abyss]

Why not the skill has a cool down so they can cast and continue popping the skellies

Doesn't seem like a bad thing

[ashen bluff]

cos it just interrupts your better dps setup

it's a completely unnecessary waste of points D:

you'd rather take inferno + frost lich get those stats

[wicked abyss]

Is the frozen tomb good as a CC point?

Like a 1 point wonder type of thing

[ashen bluff]

nah

just max out cast speed nodes

get some leech

[wicked abyss]

Noted that makes sense

[wicked abyss]

Btw why didn't you max out the moonlight pyre passive as far as I know having extra flat dmg is sometimes more valuable than % or am I wrong

[obtuse quest]

They can't pop if they're casting anything else

(And popping generally would do at least triple the damage of the skill you just gave them for no reason)

[wicked abyss]

Yeah I already made the adjustment

[ashen bluff]

2 flat per 1 point is not that great

when you should instead get like.. 7% multi

[wicked abyss]

I see

[ashen bluff]

I also didn't really fix the passives

[wicked abyss]

Yeah no need you really helped me out enough

[ashen bluff]

There points fixed too, you can also swap golem to chaosbolt if you so want to and get the nodes that grant dmg per mana when you hit your minions w em <_< That + the auto bone curse is more buttons to manage but its a good dmg source
~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzyRdLn

[wicked abyss]

The frost lich and inferno kinda fighting each other tho?

Oh it removes the pyromancer but the cast speed still stays

[ashen bluff]

yeah

how rare do yall think gettin this would be <_<

[obtuse quest]

Oh it's the WW

Ha Lol Lmao

[lost gale]

why don't you put a good corruption on it too

you'd literally be more likely to succeed trying to vibe code an item editor which works on the online version than get something like that legit

[ashen bluff]

tbh just gettin those 4 at max t5 and then the new set item that gives 50% inc effect? #maybe

[lost gale]

unlikely, IIRC WW items prefer upgrading affixes to unlocking new ones so even a 20+WW item is much more likely to end up with 1 or 2 T7s than 4 T5s

[ashen bluff]

this might be my pipe dream project for the league

print staffs

[lost gale]

I did get a T7 mana+mana regen and T7 minion flat melee/spell with +2 max skellies in 1.2, which is pretty damn lucky

that's offline though

[ashen bluff]

how do the corrupt mods work do they replace something or get added and the tier? just pure rng?

[lost gale]

I think they just get added as a sealed affix

and prevent you doing anything more to the item

[ashen bluff]

can you even corrupt ww items

or legendaries
didnt it need crafting potential

[lost gale]

I think so, someone was saying you could even corrupt set items

[candid bough]

I hope that's true

[night hemlock]

You can

It wipes all WW off the item though so make sure to fully reveal it first

And you can corrupt set items too

[pallid plume]

Okay It might be cooked by might play zoo necromancer.

The changes to archer seem really solid for clear. Replacing all attacks with the fire arrow effect.

[candid bough]

Lich's Envy popping off

[pallid plume]

With the mages using hungering souls.

Is the idea to go all the extra proj or just to go solo hungering spirit and fire mages with ignite stuff ?

[ashen bluff]

I only reveal with the glyph or w/e it is

[ashen bluff]

big hit crit w a soul/mortar split
or ailments, damnation/ignite

[pallid plume]

And i guess you can pair it with fire arrow archer / fire golem and try to scale ignite dmg possible.

[ashen bluff]

with hs I wouldnt bother going zoo you dont have the slots

hs-mage-dread-cbolt is the 4 core to maximize mana stacks n buff

adding zombies works best for ailment cos of the vomit node

[pallid plume]

Got ya.

I wonder how it compares to profane.

Possibly gets crazy later with the dmg based on mana scaling.

[ashen bluff]

profane zombies is looking very solid for numbers*

kinda asinine to play outside bossin

[turbid kayak]

What corruption level can RIP Blood or Profane Warlock get to without red rings?

[ashen bluff]

Somewhere between 500 and 1k

[turbid kayak]

and with those how high do they go? like 2k+?

[lament badge]

Is there any no button minion build?

[pearl furnace]

if im working out a minion DoT build flat are flat minion damage increases a waste of a trait?

im thinking in this case minion health or anything else would be more useful

nm answered my own question just now minion damage appears to affect the damange each dot will do per tick so good ok

[ornate gyro]

hi what are the nerf to flay mana ? seems evry top buildd got th hammer exept this one

[tacit plinth]

None its as op as before,it will be more op with corruption and such

[ornate gyro]

ty for quick answer thought th chaos bolt chang wr targeted at this build

[old hull]

Depends on what DOTs you are using, some benefit from flat added damage and some don't. Ailments no (like ignite), spell DOTs yes (like infernal aura).
Increased damage affects all.

[pallid plume]

You gotta press the button to summon the minions.....

[lost gale]

not really, there are some very low APM ones though

like Abomination

[turbid kayak]

is flay lich tankier than abom build?

[exotic widget]

Does someone has suicide minions build?

Or is volitile zombies sacrifice stronger

[lost gale]

if you mean profane oblation then I don't have a planner but you stack mana and use chaos bolts' revolution & the more damage in the skelly mages tree together to scale

[lost gale]

sacrifice is jank that almost nobody plays unfortunately

[obtuse quest]

All minion builds either use buttons during setup, or use buttons during combat.

[frank brook]

@lament badge I had a real solid physical only setup last season that had Skele boys. 2 perm wraiths, golem and buffs and one you summoned you just walked around. Wasn't as strong as Abom and wasn't going to kill Uber. But was more fun doing monolith runs at 4-500 ish.

[west rune]

is t7 the best in the game? i havent played in like 8 months

i saw some ppl talking abt t8

[old hull]

T8 is primordial, they cannot be put on uniques and you are limited to one primordial equipped total (and most of the times, a primordial unique is more desirable than using a T8)

[west rune]

i see thanks

[lament badge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A832JV2n idfk what i did , first time making a buildplan xD

[tender ridge]

gotta click the share button on the left. you've linked the actual planner tool there

[lament badge]

now its the right one

didnt do the idols tho, way to lazy

[muted mist]

Did you see the thread discussing using Abom to automate sacrifice to trigger flickering flames to overdrive infernal Shade? I think there might be a real build there, the flickering flames multiplier in the sacrifice tree is a little crazy

[lost gale]

I didn't but I can't really see an advantage over doing that with volatile zombies tbh, zombies do it cheaper and also line up the triggers

without zombies you can't do floor shades really either

[muted mist]

Oh you still use zombies and floor shades, and you can extend duration with dread shade

[lost gale]

so what 5 skills are you speccing?

Rip blood (mana & +flat), zombies, dread shade, infernal shade, sacrifice is the build I'm familiar with

Abom + summon skellies + sac seems to be what you need for destruction engine, no minion other than summon skeletons seems to provide enough bodies at a cheap enough mana cost for the abom to sacrifice

if you take zombies and infernal shade you can't spec dread shade

[echo coral]

What skill do people use for levelling if the build they want to play requires certain items before coming online.

[brittle urchin]

is harvest flay lich or mana lich on the tier list on max roll can be a Starter or i have to do sth else first to farm them ?

[pearl snow]

Harvest flay might be playable at lower mana levels compared to the usualy flay setups I think

[pearl snow]

Rip Blood, Chaos Bolts, Necro Army, really anything works unless you need empowered monolith items to have your build operate

May everyone have good luck on their Ash Wake drops in Campaign 🙂

[tender ridge]

I'm stubborn and use the skill anyway then just respec it towards whatever I need when I get the unique

[lost gale]

where is this thread anyway? Can't see it on the forums or on reddit and idk where else LE is discussed much

[lost gale]

rip blood & mshards is alright

[muted mist]

#💀┃acolyte message

Not very long or organized

[muted mist]

I may have miscounted

Abomination, skeletons, zombies sacrifice and both shades is, rats, six

I doubt it's viable without dread shade to refresh

[lost gale]

yeah and you need something from every one of them

[muted mist]

And none of the other bits are optional, yeah

[tender ridge]

marrow shards my beloved

[muted mist]

I tried leveling with rip blood triggering marrow shards and the removal of the health cost when casting MS indirectly is going to make that way more straightforward

[lost gale]

I think there could be something to do with zombies & mshards

[tender ridge]

draven and I were talking about phys ghostflame using the nova mode on shards

turn yourself into a lawnmower by autocasting marrow shards

[lost gale]

zombie rings for more casts?

because ghost flame only does 3.2/s iirc

[tender ridge]

if all you care about is mapping then it's basically just warpath but for acolyte

[hidden sable]

if your going ghostflame just go all in phys dot and dont worry about the shards

[tender ridge]

ghostflame's actual scaling is not very good

[hidden sable]

its 700%

[tender ridge]

yeah on a spelldot

it can't stack, it can't crit

the tree multipliers are mediocre

trust me i've tried

[hidden sable]

(140 base damage + (14 flat wand + 76 flat rip blood + 615 flat self torment fissure) x 700% effectiveness of added damage) x 1.48 (more multi in ghostflame) x 1.25 (more multi in ghostflame) x 2.5 (more multi in ghostflame) x 1.15 (decrepify) x 1.48 (mad alchimist ladle) x 1.04 (more damage to cursed enemy) x 1.16 (more damage while channeling) x 1.18 (90 ailments on you) x 1.4 (vaion's chariot) x 1.15 (while they are feared) =

x 3100% increased damage (because julra's snapshots)

x 200 pen

= like 7.5 mil dps

[tender ridge]

you absolutely cannot count rip blood in that. multiple of those ghostflame multis are assuming you've channeled for several seconds, mad alch ladle wants you to be stacking many debuffs which ghostflame itself isn't going to provide, fear is almost never active on bosses

[hidden sable]

the increased flat rip blood gives you snapshots the moment you start channeling

it doesnt expire

[hidden sable]

aura of decay and bone curse provide

7.5 mil is without fear

[tender ridge]

even with it snapshotting you're not going to be able to just sit and channel to ramp your multipliers. you have to move

like it's not a realistic scenario to have everything lined up

[hidden sable]

its a movement skill bro. the fastest movement in the game

well without counting extreme low transplant cooldown on a ultra ultrawide monitor

[tender ridge]

how in the world do you have enough points for all that

[hidden sable]

+4 level helm +1 level belt +1 level catalyst +1 level relic

[lost gale]

well, fastest after you spend 30s setting it up at the start of every monolith

that's like an abom summoning ritual but it's for snapshotting a channeled skill

[hidden sable]

3 seconds

[lost gale]

rip blood flat stacks last 6s so I know you're spending at least that long

not to mention getting the fissure timing

[hidden sable]

you can stand there longer than 3 seconds if you want the 6% damage.

its overkill tho

[lost gale]

fissure lasts about 5s too right?

and torment lasts 6s with the +100% duration

[turbid kayak]

was Abom nerfed for this patch?

[ashen bluff]

with idol altars and corrupted items nothing was truly nerfed

except weaver tree printing

[tender ridge]

well that's not entirely true. things were definitely nerfed, but the extra power should help bring everything closer together

like if abom got a net +5% and skellies got like +30% or something

[versed grail]

can't decide.. lich or warlock

[turbid kayak]

necro 😛

[tender ridge]

Dread Shade: Always targets the minion closest to the player, ignoring the target location.,

worth noting necrobros

[turbid kayak]

is playing abom with 2 phantom grips a big hinderance? if in case I can't get red ring for a while. Like can it still do uber abb and high corr?

[nocturne star]

anyone planning on playing witcheousfire ?

[pearl snow]

I might witchfire but a few of us did that last league

[pearl snow]

Yeah should be fine planning around getting a red ring isnt good anyways unless you market since rng can definitely not be on your side lol

[nocturne star]

this time we could use ash wake + the poison bolt node from aura of decay + soul feast

it may allow for a very chill gameplay

[pearl snow]

Yeah ash wake will be great

Soul feast I dunno never really liked it

[nocturne star]

you can procc ignite overload for free

and damned overload with soul feast with some extra life/ward as a bonus

[pearl snow]

Yeah certainly one way to donit

I always used CB

[nocturne star]

it was pretty much the only good option

i want to see if I can just sit in the middle of the omen windows while holding soul feast

[pearl snow]

With fissure being fissure and only need to overload every 11 or 12 seconds its not hard to do any skill you wanted

That would be nice

[obtuse quest]

Free?

[pearl snow]

Oh I didnt even catch that Kzb good call

Overloads all require a cast

[nocturne star]

yeah it should be converted to a fire skill that is automatically cast

the poison bolt i mean

[obtuse quest]

Overloads all require a direct cast.

[nocturne star]

pain

[obtuse quest]

Procs don't count

[tender ridge]

i was thinking up a phys build with wheel of torment

[obtuse quest]

If procs counted, fissure casting Chaos Bolts would have done the job for ultra cheaap

[nocturne star]

my dreams just went down the toilet

[wicked abyss]

Hey before the start tnx again for the help earlier hope lady RNG smiles upon you

[nocturne star]

perhaps i'll just build wheel of torment again

[night hemlock]

Frogs and Abom are more or less that for the most part

[severe grail]

is this the best option for warlock? https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/witchfire-warlock

without ahving too much piano

[pearl snow]

id look at flame whip too

[severe grail]

is that easier then the chaosbolt spam version of arlock?

[pearl snow]

yeah Flame whip is really just cursing every so often and fissure

[severe grail]

so basicly spam rip blood and spam fissure?

[pearl snow]

yeah though rip blood isnt really needed until bossing or harder single target mobs

its just there for + spell dmg

[severe grail]

did they buff that one recently? cause i remember usualy it was witchfire for warlock

[pearl snow]

No its been around since S2 its the easiest warlock Uber to build / understand. DONT COME AT ME MISHA.
But yeah this league they made it actually convert to phys with bleed and poison

bleed may fix some pain points in mono farming

[severe grail]

tbh heard it the first time and never saw it on maxroll or LE tools

it was always witchfire warlock i saw

[pearl snow]

thats fair

[calm dome]

I am late to league start but time to play zombies

[pearl snow]

First champion gave me minion teleport affix lmao

[nocturne star]

corrupted items are crazy during campaign

[drowsy anvil]

Does increasing the base critical hit chance of mages affect the critical hit chance of hungering souls they cast?

[severe grail]

just curious why is flame whip considered worse then the other ones?

[pearl snow]

probably because its not great at clearig monos

not sure wha tmaxroll criteria is

[severe grail]

but isn't that fast clearspeed a fast mono clear?

[pearl snow]

yeah its not fast at monos

thats just a lie

phys convert might fix it a bit but itll never be as fast as witchfire