💀┃acolyte

[tender ridge]

they snuck the cold conversion in this season without actually mentioning it anywhere. wasn't in the patch notes or any of the spoilers

[fluid ridge]

wl is as strong as abom?

[vapid kindle]

whoever told you this must be playing on a 2 year old build of the game at least lmao

wraithlord has been coasting on reputation for so long now, it's terrible

[sly forge]

Not sure, I have not played the game at that time but apparently they nerfed it

So now they are much much worse

[sly forge]

Maybe since "was".

[fluid ridge]

i hope they can buff wl tbh, out of all minions i enjoy it the most

but looks like skellies will be better

[vapid kindle]

wraithlord was strong in 1.0 (dps standards were WAY lower back then, mind you), got nerfed in 1.1 and has been trash tier dps wise since

[sly forge]

Yeah, this is what I hate to happen in abomination

From S tier to trash tier in a single nerf

And they were not buffed until now

[vapid kindle]

abom has been nutty for forever and if anything has only gotten stronger over time so i'd clock it as unlikely

[fluid ridge]

i tried abom but why is my abom much more easily to die compared to wl even though im using more or less the same gear with minor difference

[sly forge]

That is impossible

[fluid ridge]

hence the question

[sly forge]

Abomination cannot die from even uberroth attack

[vapid kindle]

i think the main reason WL is weak now is less so the nerf and moreso the fact that dps standards have gone massively up every patch, and it's just sorta become unpopular and hasn't recieved particularly exceptional new itemization

[sly forge]

Did you summon the maximal number for each minion before merging?

[vapid kindle]

even if they reverted the numerical changes in harbingers of ruin it would still likely be pretty low dps

[fluid ridge]

ofc

[sly forge]

That's weird

[fluid ridge]

also its AI is so... poor

is it because on my wl it has 100% crit dmg reduction whereas abom didnt have any

[vapid kindle]

minion ai for melee minions is pretty bad in general

do you have contaminated dreams node in abom specced?

[fluid ridge]

ya esp with wl i can just click focus attack and he will attack right away whereas abom will still need to walk no matter how fast it is

[fluid ridge]

im following abom guide that has.. dunno i forgot maybe 37 abom level in total

turbo abom with raptor

[vapid kindle]

check if you have that node specced, you only wanna spec it for bosses in maps it will cause abom to die

[fluid ridge]

whats that node do?

[vapid kindle]

it loses hp when it uses an ability

[fluid ridge]

does abom have lifesteal like wl?

[sly forge]

Tbh you don't need that node for bossing

[vapid kindle]

this node here

[fluid ridge]

oh probably

[sly forge]

Yes but its hp is so high that lifesteal is not enough

[vapid kindle]

it will give you more dps but if you keep it specced in maps he will die because it makes him lose % of his hp

and he cant leech enough off trash mobs

[fluid ridge]

what a hassle if i have to spec and respecc lol

[sly forge]

And the hp loss is % hp

[sly forge]

Just remove that node

It is a single end node

[fluid ridge]

i enjoy range minion more tbh, i might just play flamewraith or the new archer skellies next patch

[vapid kindle]

only really matters to put the point back in for uber, for everything else they die too fast that you don't have to worry about it

[sly forge]

Well if they buff flame wraith a bit then they are very very good

[fluid ridge]

does flamewraith use zombies?

[sly forge]

Currently they need zombie together

[vapid kindle]

crows have range and rly good dps, and you never have to worry about ai because their damage comes from their ability which you cast yourself. they are on the squishy side, though

[sly forge]

Yes but they only spawn zombie when they die

[fluid ridge]

whats the zombies for?

[sly forge]

You will need to cast zombie manually for bossing for optimal dps

[fluid ridge]

i recall they use that zombie ring in the guide

[sly forge]

Yes but you will lose 35 minion crit multi

[fluid ridge]

what are you using? just exalted ring?

[sly forge]

Yes

[fluid ridge]

otherwise 2nd phantom looks good

for more crit chance

[sly forge]

Need as much exalted items possible to stack fire res

[sly forge]

Wraith has good crit chance

Ađready

[fluid ridge]

nah just use 4lp phantom ring with t7 ele res and t7 fire res, real

[sly forge]

No point capping over 100 crit chance

[sly forge]

Idk I just have fire res

The res is health or ward for survival

[fluid ridge]

you probably would get health on the suffixes tbh

jokes aside

probably minion dmg/int/health/fire res, no?

[sly forge]

Yes

Armor and ward regen if you can too

[fluid ridge]

im curious about the amulet

most guide use that evo amulet

[sly forge]

I would rather use evo

[fluid ridge]

is that better than death rattle

[sly forge]

Your minion die very fast

[fluid ridge]

death rattle is another crit multi for minion

[sly forge]

Especially against uberroth

I would prefer something that sustains minions

They get huge power by stacking res, int, minion dmg already

[fluid ridge]

but evo's end didnt give anything other than 2 minion skill level right?

[sly forge]

40% minion dmg

15% res=3 fire pen

6 to all attr

[fluid ridge]

you mention sustaining minion

not damage

[sly forge]

Vit and int allow health and armor

[fluid ridge]

but on a hindsight, death rattle makes your minion takes more dmg

so

[sly forge]

And they dont take increased dmg

That's what I mean

[fluid ridge]

btw whats the zombies do in flamewraith build, i never tried it, i know in wl build it eats zombies and the parasite for spell dmg boost

[sly forge]

Wraith die then zombie spawns

Also zombies has fire damage

[fluid ridge]

so the zombies also for dmg, not just for food?

[sly forge]

Yes

[fluid ridge]

theyre not stationary?

[sly forge]

No

For bossing you would need to cast zombie manually

[fluid ridge]

the aoe is not big enough for you to play them stationary>

?

[sly forge]

Making it a button heavy build

[sly forge]

Why stationary?

[fluid ridge]

wont they get more dmg with that node?

just they can no longer move

[sly forge]

Yes but in mapping dont you prefer them to be mobile?

[vapid kindle]

you just use them like ballistas

or totems or whatever

[fluid ridge]

ya but i mean, if the aoe is big enough it doesnt really matter, no?

[vapid kindle]

and you get the minions teleported affix

[sly forge]

Hmm, I will try if stationary is better

[fluid ridge]

also talking about button heavy you also dont use the node that summon more zombies but add some cooldown?

[vapid kindle]

it's def way more dps and honestly the playstyle is not bad, they just become turrets

[sly forge]

Summon them frequently for more damage?

[fluid ridge]

theres a node that let you summon more zombies per cast but add a cooldown right?

[sly forge]

Have not tried this but will they still leap if they are stationary?

[fluid ridge]

i dont think they can still leap

hence why i asked if the aoe is not enough

[sly forge]

Yes but this build is cast speed heavy

So casting frequently is better

[fluid ridge]

otherwise you can just summon them near your target

[vapid kindle]

you just use the minions teleported affix on boots to move them if need be

[fluid ridge]

leaping zombies is because they can just jump to target, probably not because he needs to carry the zombies with him

[sly forge]

Hmm anyway I will try the stationary node

Just summon them at the target

[fluid ridge]

ya, because i feel like the aoe is not bad

and you probably bulky enough anyway

[sly forge]

But if stationary then they cannot jump but just stand where the wraith dies

And I summon wraiths near myself

To receive the dread shade buff

[vapid kindle]

oh i probably wouldn't take the stationary zombie node, i assumed you meant stationary wraiths

[fluid ridge]

basically you summon zombies near target and they will just explode right away right

[sly forge]

Of course I would use stationary wraiths

[sly forge]

I mean zombies are summoned where wraith dies

So they need to jump to their target

[fluid ridge]

thats true also for the auto summon ones

[sly forge]

And most of the times you wont summon wraith right at the targets

[fluid ridge]

but dunno, does wraith dies often?

[sly forge]

Not very often with sufficient leech for bossing

[fluid ridge]

my playstyle usually just telestomp enemies and summon zombies tbh

so the wraiths will also teleported there

[sly forge]

You dont want wraith to die too often anyway

[fluid ridge]

if they die the zombies are there too, and if they didnt die, there wont be zombies anyway

so i dont think its a concern

[sly forge]

Yes but the wraiths are the one dealing the main damage

[fluid ridge]

unless your farther wraiths keeps dying

[sly forge]

Zombie just contribute like, 25-30% more

[fluid ridge]

then sure the reanimated zombies might matter

i mean

• if wraiths didnt die then leap or not leap doesnt really matter if your main zombies is the ones you manually summon
• if wraiths die, for my playstyle my wraiths are near the enemy so the zombies' aoe might still reach them

but again, i havent really tried flamewraiths

are they easily die?

if not then i wont count on reanimated zombies

[sly forge]

Not die easily

[fluid ridge]

then i dont think it mattered much

[sly forge]

But if they don't attack they will die quickly

[fluid ridge]

ya but no attack means no enemy right so even if they reanimate zombies it has no use anyway haha

[sly forge]

It's just for support

They are the best final skill so far

[sly forge]

You get zombie and teleport to the next swarm

[fluid ridge]

back in season 1 i play flamewraith for a bit, and i recalled the playstyle

you keep resummoning wraiths because theyre dying from dreadshade and life drain?

[sly forge]

Yes but with sufficient leech they wont die very fast

[fluid ridge]

dunno, zombies has lifespan no? and how many minions can you teleport anyway

[sly forge]

Max is 14

[fluid ridge]

then i probably would want to teleport all wraiths instead

[sly forge]

Yes but they die slower than wraith

Yes

But zombie is still the best adding skill

[fluid ridge]

btw what relic are you using?

[sly forge]

Shattered world?

[fluid ridge]

ya ofc zombies is still included, its just about whether to use stationary or not right, in related to reanimated ones

[sly forge]

Tyrant skull is useless here

Since you stacked fire res already

[fluid ridge]

is shattered world the best ones?

[sly forge]

You wouldn't want to stack endurance

Otherwise you are a glass cannon

[fluid ridge]

i mean heart gives 20% health, while acolyte gives ward retention i dunno about shattered world

its hard to get one with high lp anyway

so overall stats would be much lower no?

[sly forge]

Depend but shatter worlds gives stats, haste, 10% damage reduction

Tbh right now I'm resting from flame wraith a while

[fluid ridge]

its 1/236 just for lp2 haha

[sly forge]

They are strong

But nowhere as abomination and infernal shade

These two builds are just outliers

I would rank infernal shades S ranks

It is a build where you blink an eye and uberroth's hp is reduced from 64 to 36

[vapid kindle]

F rank for playstyle though

[fluid ridge]

i only like minion build lol

[sly forge]

Well it involves minion, you just sacrifice them to boost yourselves

Tbh if you love minion builds then BM is way better

[fluid ridge]

just play mana flay, less hassle tbh

ya but i also loves necromancer

i dont really like druids or similar classes

[sly forge]

Me too

I hopes that skeletons will be uberroth viable next season

[fluid ridge]

well, they do gain permanent flame/frost arrows now

[sly forge]

But how much dps does the give?

Idk need to wait for next season

[fluid ridge]

but main concern is whats the problem about skellies for uberroth

are they lacking in dmg, in survivability or both lol

like if theyre too squishies, i dont think permanent arrows will change anything

[sly forge]

Both

We all know that they are not as tanky as abom or golems

[fluid ridge]

btw is flamewraith ubberable?

[sly forge]

But dps allow you to kill it faster so you don't have to experience final phase

[sly forge]

Idk

Have not seen anyone do it with uber online yet

But it needs a lot of buttons while dps much less than abom so people might not like it

[fluid ridge]

why wraith so sad whether its flame or wl

[nocturne moth]

does the beam from stygian coal count as damage over time

[sly forge]

No

Direct hit

Second best lich build after mana flay

Idk why maxroll ranked them to B tbh

[fluid ridge]

btw wl is also able to clear uberroth from what ive heard right

[sly forge]

I don't believe so

Unless there is a video as a proof

I only saw wl clearing normal aberroth

[sly forge]

Also less likely to be nerfed than abom since people has nerfed it already

[obtuse quest]

Wraithlord never has been able to clear uberroth.

[rich stag]

Even golems aren’t really tanky enough for Abberoth

[rich stag]

Is it not able or have people just not attempted? I’d imagine it’s the latter than the former

[obtuse quest]

Season 2 had one that tried. Reached 5k corruption.
Can't kill uberroth.

[rich stag]

Damn

How come? Wraith dies too quick?

[obtuse quest]

Probably?

[vapid kindle]

it would be like a 20 min fight too dps is seriously terrible

and yeah having to babysit both the wraiths and the wraithlord in a 20 min uber fight (while they’re stationary the entire time, mind you) would be abysmal

[obtuse quest]

He ignores the wraiths, only babys the lord

[rich stag]

I meant the lord but yeah

Wraithlords damage used to be really good

But fair enough

[wintry flame]

Wraithlord dmg was fine at best even in it's pre-nerf state. I would say then it was like really good, but in comparison to now it still would've been relatively low. Still think many of the same builds now would've beat it damage wise. It just came online super fast and without much investment, especially with the old way the consume worked to grant it flat damage.

[vapid kindle]

yea 100% agreed. ever since the nerf there has been pretty much no reason to play it (unless you like the playstyle a lot i guess, which, lol)

[dark rain]

pre nerf Wraithlord was the best build since the game came out. Maybe after the Falconer build

[wintry flame]

That’s just false

Multiple builds have done infinite damage in this game and even in that patch it was still leagues behind Abom at its full potential and many other builds. It was just a low effort to get its damage think of it like the current Reflect build with the body armor but worse clear and better bossing

[sly forge]

Has anyone tried stygian coal this season?

Idk why maxroll listed them as B but they are very good, I would say near S tier

Just stack int and mana and they deals a lot of damage

[rich stag]

Abom is basically the same playstyle just busted

[rich stag]

Max Roll isn’t the build bible, it’s just a site that has builds. Besides, the build is good but there are much better builds on the same class so I would say A or B tier is fine.

Compared to flay which absolutely is S tier

[sly forge]

no? stygian coal does more dps than the rest of lich builds except mana flay.

[rich stag]

DPS isn’t everything

There is a lot more goes into a build

[wintry flame]

It’s also compared against other builds

[sly forge]

well I think its tankiness is not lesser than other lich builds. If you want to kill bosses you can try glass cannon like mana flay by having only int and mana affixes and it deals insane dps like any S tier builds.

and that build can deal damage while moving

[gentle kettle]

Whats the minimum amount of mana you should have to play mana flay without issues? Or any type of minimum requirements

I dont want to swap to it too early just to suffer

[pearl snow]

Ive heard people saying as low as 400 but I doubt that feels great. It also depends on which setup because I’m pretty sure there is a difference in mana consumption between the different styles of mana flay

[gentle kettle]

Oh, need to look into that. Do you know what the different setups in this case are? I havent even started the character yet but I know Ill need the primordial relic and traitor's tongue

[pearl snow]

Searching in this channel might get you more results too but If I remember right it was either like Cold dmg / Harvest or just CB mana stacking and possibly something with Marrow Shards

But yeah, everyone used Traitors Tongue until like min maxy double T7s dropped and Army of the skin boots.
Executioner’s Tithe

Chest and Helmet can be somewhat flexible depending on if you go cold with that blind helmet but for the most part its just Seed. At one point you can get % mana on a helm

[gentle kettle]

Cheers, Ill keep those uniques in mind and do some digging on this channel

[sly forge]

Hi guy, do you think the apolycapse should not been locked behind the profane veil skill? Like making it move to summon zombie skill while adding a cooldown to summon zombie. That node fits more in necromancer since there we can have dread shade to boost the zombie's damage and more minion supporting passives.

[novel plume]

What build would you recommend for necro ? I'm new to the game. I have my first character currently level 68

[wintry flame]

Minion Army into Abom, Skeleton Rogues, or stay army.

[rich stag]

Honestly, if you’re new just play around with skills. It’s easy to respec.

Enjoy the game before you start taking it too seriously.

[novel plume]

Actually I know that kind of game. I have lots of hours in Diablo and I wanted to try out last epoch because I was told it's a good game. Now I'm at a point where I finished the campaign and and don't know what to do. So I wanted to have an idea of a build I can try to get. To have a goal I mean

[sly forge]

For necro try abomination and infernal shade if you want OP builds and uberroth doable.

Other strong builds include flame wraith and physical skeletal rogues but not sure they can do uberroth on average gears

[novel plume]

i guess maxroll is a great place to find build ?

[sly forge]

Yes

Most good builds are in there

Except some that are still OP but not listed there such as sacrifice lich, judgement aura pally, explosive ballists falconer

[novel plume]

i play this one https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/necromancer-leveling-guide

im missing few uniques but don't really know where to drop them

[rich stag]

Their guides and decent and full of info yeah

Do you like minion builds? Melee? Casters? Etc

[novel plume]

i was looking for a build that doesn't require lots of items to be efficient, in order to not struggle too much in echoes

[rich stag]

When you in early echoes you can get just about anything to function anyway

It’s only when you want to really start min/maxing you need to worry about an efficient build

That is why I suggested you experiment for now

[eternal heath]

no armor no evasion no ward gen full int idk how to build acolyte save me
its a meme but kinda fr

[obtuse quest]

Not even health? Monster!

[eternal heath]

1k, monster indeed

all i got is less damage taken per curse, had to give up 20smth int for that tho

[eternal heath]

idk even what idols would be good for flay+marrow shards on crit

yep

[fluid ridge]

66 int isnt really that high either tbh

[muted mist]

What do people think of the teased Blood Specter bug fix? 4x damage is a pretty major improvement. Think they'll apply any compensating nerfs or just let it ride? I've gotten to thirty specters at a time before, and more damage equals more lifespan. If they nerf Abom and the Lich offhand snapshot mechanic, think it could be meta?

[wintry flame]

where was it teased?

[muted mist]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eterra-monthly-jan-edition-2026/80376

FIXED IN SEASON 4: Two nodes in the Sacrifice Skill Tree are not working properly - From Blood & Crimson Horror. They are not increasing the damage of the Blood Horrors, although they should be.
With thanks to: Drimo.

[wintry flame]

Ah I see, that’s probably pretty good. I’ve never really used blood spectres much. And I guess I didn’t see that since it said Blood Horrors instead of spectres haha

[slow oxide]

you can techincally get infinite specters, but its pointless. After you get over 250-300 the game crashes

[lost gale]

I'm not sure about the link between damage and lifespan, leech stops working once they hit full health and the degen just keeps ramping. It doesn't take that long before they hit, leech to full and die before they hit again to leech more.

Also minions can only leech if enemies have enough HP, if you have a pack with total health 1,000,000 and you have 20% leech for your specters they can at most recover 200,000 health.
In practice a lot of that would be lost from them hitting full health and starting to drop again.

Not an issue on bosses (if the enemy hp pool runs out you have nothing to worry about) but in echoes it matters for going between packs

I do think specters will be good if the abom sac bug is fixed though

[wintry flame]

Yeah leech is pretty meh, your best bet is investing in regen to a point to last past the few ticks of degen

[muted mist]

You can get 75% leech for them just out of their skill tree. I was getting 30 specters during clear with zero minion regen. 200 heath regen per T7 affix you dedicate isn't going to do much for them when they have 20,000 health. The higher corruption you go, I would expect leech to perform better, and I was only at 340 corruption when I dropped the character

[muted mist]

Do you think you'll be able to reliably cast Summon Skeleton 2x and have all six skeletons actually spawn in between Devour casts by the abom? If not, I think the build is going to need a pretty ridiculous amount of mana regen. Worst case you can't spec into chain at all.

[wintry flame]

Yeah but leech adds a very inconsequential amount of uptime for the investment. It won’t add that much with how degen works

[muted mist]

Well, that is why I keep arguing that they should give wraiths an equivalent of Lich's Corrupted Form that caps their life at 99% of max (so their leech never falls off)

[wintry flame]

Like free leech you take and then you build maybe a bit of regen to offset the initial ticks so they can leech, but investing into sustain is kind of useless for them

[lost gale]

I think chain is a bad idea, Abom can sac 4 at a time without chain and that way it won't sac any specters so the mana economy should be much better

[muted mist]

If you pay the sacrifice costs 8x as often as I do, you will not have 32 specters. not without a truly insane amount of mana regen

[lost gale]

Skeletons return 15 mana on sac and non-chaining sac is cheaper too

[muted mist]

the 15 mana from the skeletons gets eaten by the 15 mana drained by the blood specter

so you can just ignore that

if it charges you the sacrifice mana cost once when it eats 4 skeletons, sure

[lost gale]

No you can't because you don't get that 15 back when your sacrifice chains to specters

[muted mist]

sorry, I can ignore that 😛

If it only charges you the sacrifice cost ONCE when it devours 4 skeletons at once, then yeah, we're in business

[lost gale]

Pretty sure abom pays 120% for each minion sacrificed but it'll only sac skeles so you won't be paying like 30 odd mana to turn a blood specter into a new blood specters ever

[muted mist]

i cast a sac that costs 25% more than base, but it converts 6 skeletons per cast.

[muted mist]

skill issue. if you git gud, this is almost entirely avoidable.

[lost gale]

Abom being selective and multi-casting without chain is where the benefit lies

[muted mist]

sure, the automation might be worth it

[lost gale]

If you just want to sac the most and pay the least then zombies are the solution

[muted mist]

and with the damage increase, it might clear fine even if you only sustain like, 8 of the things. the Abom's swing will cover teh biggest weakness which is swarmers

[lost gale]

You could use minion targeted rip blood to sustain mana

[muted mist]

and drop aura of decay? doesn't seem worth it

sac, abom, skeletons, dread shade, rip blood
sac, transplant, skeeltons, dread shade, AOD

between the phys resist shred, the bleed chance, and the 75% more bleed damage... very hard to give up AoD.

Even if the uptime isn't great

if you fully automate with 100% skeleton revive, then you aren't having to cast the things, don't need to be at positive mana, and maybe that works out

[lost gale]

Zombies, sac, aura, rip blood. 5th skill optional, you don't have anything that lives longer than a second or two in combat to cast dread shade on anyway and your mana will probably be too low to cast it on enemies

But you'll get way more specters

Way way more

[muted mist]

what are you sacrificing? the skelly vanguards?

[lost gale]

Zombies create worms on death, chance to spawn zombies on non zombie/worm death, chance to spawn vanguard on minion death

Or you spec summon skeletons and try to fit them in

[muted mist]

50 mana per specter (i just mathed teh math on your scneario) is crazy expensive relative to what i'm paying

i am casting and sacrificing skeletons almost as fast as i can spawn them

[lost gale]

The zombie rings get you free zombies, rip blood on like 10+ minions returns and unbelievable amount of mana and life/ward

[muted mist]

i don't think you can get more with zombies (and you'd have a huge cooldown if you go worms). unless you go Cycle. and then you have no mana, ever, which might work

[lost gale]

The thing about zombies is that your rate of specter creation accelerates a bit

[muted mist]

does Cycle actually trigger a zombie explosion every second?

[lost gale]

The rate at which minions are created and sacrifice is cast are correlated

As long as you have mana

[muted mist]

right but Cycle has a 1s delay

in clear, it's actually worse, they rez behind you and have to run forward

but optimally, sure, 2 per second for free with cycle; i can get more than that

or at least that many

maybe with manual casts and the free zombies from the specters dying you can get more

[lost gale]

30% chance to spawn a zombie on (Non zombie/parasite) minion death bypasses the cooldown on zombies too and if they leap then they detonate fast

The action economy is pure rip blood spam though

[muted mist]

yeah, i don't think i'd taken into account the change to make rip blood aoe when i last mathed this out

mana per minion could be... a lot

[lost gale]

It is

[muted mist]

but then you can't move

i guess you still have room for transplant on your bar with the automation

so it works out to be about the same

your mana will drain really fast though

oh and you lose Dread Shade

and you can't run the T-rex

[lost gale]

Yes

[muted mist]

you might be able to swing dread shade for bosses, i guess, if you rip blood enough to get positive to slap it on the boss

does it actually reliably sacrifice the vanguard or worm over any nearby specters? i still think you can't really run chain

but infinite mana cures all ills, i suppose

[lost gale]

It does reliably sac the worms iirc

[muted mist]

(i eyed a drain life variant that gives mana per minion you're draining, but Rip Blood you can cast at 0 mana)

then the initial chain node is potentially worht it, which does give you a huge amount of efficiency

[lost gale]

Yeah drain life variants are non-functional if there's any interruption to the mana income

Also the thing about the abom/skele sac mana economy is that when you lack mana the abom just devour the skeletons normally to heal itself which gives you mana back

So you get automatic mana balancing

Just keep casting summon skeleton when possible

[muted mist]

the 15 mana per blood specter can drain you down to -100 though

[lost gale]

Skele revive works nicely for that

[muted mist]

hrm. can you have more skeleton revives queued than your skeleton cap, with the 3s revive?

[lost gale]

The way it seems to work is that skeles revive after 3s if you're under the cap, but there can be any number of skeletons waiting to revive

[muted mist]

then yep, that's probably viable

wow

[lost gale]

If the 3s passes and you are at the cap then that skeleton is gone forever but you can get through a lot more than 9 skeles per 3s on revives alone

[muted mist]

hrm. but can you actually get to a constant stream of skeletons reviving if you are constantly being drained to negative mana

probably

if it devours once per second, there will be a delay between it putting you at positive mana and it eating all your mana again

and if that puts you negative it'll just eat them and put you at positive again, i guess?

[lost gale]

It should devour faster than that if you take minion cast speed stuff on passive tree and dread shade

[muted mist]

if it's devouring that often, can it even move?

or do you have to just constantly resummon the thing further forward

[lost gale]

It can move, but it stutter steps a bit

Devour has a huge cast range

It can devour skeletons that are almost offscreen in opposite directions in the same cast

[muted mist]

well, at sufficiently high corruption you wouldn't be moving that fast anyway, right?

if it works you'll have too many minions for minion teleport to be particularly efficient

but if you triple up on it, it's probably fine

you don't have to blink it every 'port

[lost gale]

#💀┃acolyte message
Definitely

[muted mist]

Hrm. in theory that's testable in live. it just won't do as much damage. and i think the idea was to not chain with the abom version anyway so it won't keel over from chaining to itself either

if i thought i could test it without getting sucked back in, i'd say I'd try that tonight

but uh

risky business

[lost gale]

The abomination issue isn't related to chaining, sometimes it just eats itself if you have the sac node specced

[sly forge]

One thing I care is: Will sacrifice necro do thing better than sacrifice lich in the next season?

Right now sacrifice lich is way better

[sly forge]

Yes and it is a major bug making the build unplayable

[muted mist]

necro will be better at a blood specters variant of sacrifice; lich will be better at using sacrifice itself for damage unless some really crazy stuff happens

[sly forge]

hmm problem is how much damage does the blood spectre deal

[old hull]

We can all hope for a day when we can scale sacrifice with minion health

[slow oxide]

if you are doing spectors do minion target drain life with dark shackles... Mana becomes not an issue, since you can generate hundreds per second

[obtuse quest]

You can't generate mana if the specters are dead.

[muted mist]

i got them to 340 corruption this patch before i got bored; they are fixing a bug next patch that will make them do 4x as much damage.

[sly forge]

Idk 340 corruption is pretty meh. My goal is uberroth

[wintry flame]

Isn’t it pointless to generate a bunch to since most of them won’t hit on single target?

[muted mist]

if it can do 340 corruption now, and you give it 4x the damage, it will clear about 1500 corruption next patch with no changes (ignoring the fact that you would need better defenses). And i was not optimized, 1LP slams at best as I recall. Though I don't know if it's Uber viable (minions frequently aren't as I understand it), minions do 0 dps while dead

[muted mist]

i have never observed them to have any issues. I think that in addition to their incredibly, incredibly tiny melee attack hitbox they have a far smaller hitbox themselves than you'd guess, so they can pack in quite well

admittedly if they were struggling to get into melee I'm not sure I'd be able to tell amidst all the frantically swinging polearms

but they'd also die and they don't seem to die against bosses particularly

probably if you had enough of them or something you'd have issues

[obtuse quest]

Isn't blood specters the one generated minion where you can get like 50-60 of them at once?

[sly forge]

Not sure if the number is 50-60

But idk how to generate them optimally

Since if we use sacrifice chain then many will be generated but many will also die at the same time.

[obtuse quest]

Hm? I thought it was a Harvest trick

[lost gale]

In that video I linked above the guy is getting like 120 specters on the boss dummy

Enough that they can't all attack the dummy

[sly forge]

So will the abomination sacrifice node be fixed next patch?

I want an uber viable minion necro build other than melee abomination

[slow oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ponIlWnc1k

logged into the live servers... use the forbidden tech wisely or the game crashes

[sly forge]

hi, can you demonstrate on boss dummy and share your planner?

[slow oxide]

that really isnt a build.. I was just demonstrating what the concept of using minion targeted drain life with darkshackles/max targets can do for mana

make zombies cast corpse parasites and sacrifice, summon on minion death, skeles with resummon chance high

sacrifice with max chains

up to you to try to make it do damage 🙂

[muted mist]

Both sacrifice and harvest can generate Blood Specters; the nodes in the trees only apply to the specters created by that skill, though. so harvest specters only benefit from harvest nodes. Sacrifice specters have the advantage that you can generate them even vs bosses (harvest specters are only on kill)

[muted mist]

here is a practical build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP643Ew3
the video version is likely similar but with drain life; the downside is that drain life really needs the specters to stand still and they don't do that during clear. my planner can get 20-30 specters during clear.

disclaimer: it's not a good build this patch. but that snapshot is from 340 corruption and the gear's fairly reasonable.

edit: oh right you're looking for uber viable, nevermind

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (64) / Lich (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,630, Regen: 112.27/s
▸ Mana: 145.99, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 218%, Regen: 15/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 9 Dex / 80 Int / 7 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 103% / 76% / 118% / 79% / 124% / 118%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 537
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (116)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,368)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 37%

Used skills:

Sacrifice / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton / Transplant / Aura Of Decay

[muted mist]

Uber abberoth doesn't really move around a whole lot, right?

that's the big limitation of the dark shackles version

[muted mist]

any idea how much life minions need to survive being one-shot by uber-abby attacks?

[obtuse quest]

Can minions hit 6 digit ehps?

[muted mist]

IIRC my blood specters had 20,000 HP with one or two health affixes, minions have 60% DR from levels now, and specters have 50% DR baked in. That's 100k EHP if all my math is right. So yes.

[obtuse quest]

Then maybe they can.

[obtuse quest]

Wouldn't eiterly count on it though.

[muted mist]

will be interesting to see if they make any further adjustments to how well minion builds handle Uberroth

[winged flame]

This may be insanely good with the death knight change(s) 💀

[old hull]

If it still has the long cooldown, you'll be significantly better off with full on minion CDR idols

[winged flame]

Yeah it may be good if they change how often DK can cast it, if there's no change at all then I think it's still not really worth putting investments into DK

[old hull]

Yeah, it would need to be very strong to be even decent with that 8s cooldown, and HS is not a very good skill to begin with

Granted, if you pick up the garbo mortar spell, you can get them a good bit of extra CDR

[winged flame]

If they don't do more with it, I'm afraid it'll be one of those EHG moments where it actually doesn't do anything besides looks cool

[old hull]

I wonder how the nodes that scale with your minion count will work for skelemage, if at all

[winged flame]

So why even bother putting development time into it

If I'd have to guess it's the same as if you would use it yourself

[old hull]

Real, hope they aren't putting effort into a DoA node lol

Especially one that could be a meme build

[winged flame]

Has anyone tried to scale a Sacrifice loop build?

Also does Cruelty relic with bluefeather band stack, making sacrifice 0 mana cost? (Could potentially also trigger ring to gain 15-21 mana and ward?)

Maybe you know this @old hull

[old hull]

Bluefeather is multiplicative, so yes it stacks, but it will never bring anything to 0

[winged flame]

Ah alright, shame would be too good

[old hull]

Also cruelty just consumes % mana cost, so it doesn't technically modify the mana cost

[obtuse quest]

If it was it would have been found already since that was the combo people used for cruelty

[old hull]

Bluefeather band works best when you have flat mana gains, and summon skele gives that, so makes sense

[winged flame]

Yeah true, army of skin peaked my interest since it could maybe keep up the skele summons with 80% resummon chance to keep the damage up, more zombies, vanguards etc for sacrifice to use

[winged flame]

Do you know a build for sacrifice?

[obtuse quest]

No, all of them ended with "running out of mana and then doing no damage once there's no mana" If you meant using cruelty

[wintry flame]

You don’t even need to care about mana in most cases for the loop unless you want to spawn Spectres and are trying to scale the sac damage but you can do other stuff with the mechanic. Nothing good atm that I know of

I always thought there might be some ideal way to just stay at negative mana and use the boot affix for ward gained on missing mana to get ward. But yeah idk what the dps would come from

[winged flame]

Might be lacking damage but from small testing I could have 9 skeletons, vanguards, zombies without mana problems. Might even be able to have blood spectres but don't know what you would fill the last 2 skill slots with, probably reaper form and flay or something.

[night hemlock]

Not quite sacrifice but Oblation Skelly Mages is similar

Very strong too

[winged flame]

Does Exsanguinous contribute to this node?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[winged flame]

Thats actually fire, with AoD bleed

[old hull]

But technically physical rather than fire

[tacit plinth]

That node feels weird to me likr every 7%health drain effect you get 1% more damage if I understand that right thats kinda crap no?

[obtuse quest]

It IS a seperate multiplier that’s most likely free

Physcial dot builds already want to run low life so it’s a very free multiplier

[tacit plinth]

Yeah but thats is so low at the end of the day I expect more from passives

Like corrupted form capping ward for no reason

A miss for me some of the lich one are

[obtuse quest]

To be fair to corrupted form, lich isn’t known to use ward purely because of death seal

[tacit plinth]

Ok sorry to bother again but what exactly is bugged about coal lich is it the drain life many stuff on skill not applying to the beams or the beams itself doesn't say it has intelligence scaling?

[ashen bluff]

anybody done some theorycraftin on the hungering souls node on skeletal mage finally scalin?

[obtuse quest]

Supposedly it doesn’t relocate properly, no idea if it’s fixed

[ashen bluff]

wombo?

[obtuse quest]

Does it check YOUR mana or the MAGE's mana? Since they're the one casting it?

[ashen bluff]

I have no freaking clue >_>
I assume yours

[obtuse quest]

According to what I know of earthquake bear, probably the mage's.

[obtuse quest]

But nothing on who's stats the nodes takes.

[ashen bluff]

yeah thats just all the info we have thus far

I dunno how earthquake bear works whats the wording there

[obtuse quest]

Using your tree generally means they get a copy of the nodes

[ashen bluff]

The EQ bear node says it uses the bears stats

doesn't say that <_< and cos its gonna benefit from your unique buffs to Hungerin shouldn't it make sense it uses your stats?

[obtuse quest]

This is the old one, of course it gives no info

THERE'S the info

There's your wombo.

You'll most likely be screwed by the Cooldown ngl

6 seconds is long.

[ashen bluff]

tree puts it down to 3

bigger Q is do you go archmage or max # of mages

[obtuse quest]

Battlehardened? That would make them also cast mortar which is currently known to be ass

[ashen bluff]

yeah but if the main point is to cast Hungerin what does it matter they're not on the same CD so they mortar inbetween

or well they are actaully, old ones 8s new 6 keep mixin that up

[ashen bluff]

where'd you pull that from

[obtuse quest]

That same post. There's a clickable link.

[ashen bluff]

Isolation is a lil nonbo w archmage and so is the general huge amount of projs you can get unless I go w the all can hit ST staff which I don't really like

[obtuse quest]

That's HS in a nutshell.

[ashen bluff]

tho the amount of projs you can get for ST w the staff is kinda insane

did minion kills trigger your on kill stuff in this game or not? chronicle of the damned alone might just make this like a fun lil clear build for early league

[obtuse quest]

No

Minion kills are minion kills, not your kills.

[ashen bluff]

ah rats makes sense tho
and the hungerin they cast would be their kills including any damned or other dot as well

[obtuse quest]

Correct

[ashen bluff]

where's my gravebinds :(

+10 extra projs for mages castin hungering -> archmage would double that

[winged flame]

@old hull #💀┃acolyte message

Rip got EHG again

They do love their cooldowns. Wait x seconds to do 1000 damage

[ashen bluff]

45+ souls w a 3s cd seems fine to me on paper, it's not gonna break anything but it'll be funny

[winged flame]

Exactly it will be funny but do nothing

[ashen bluff]

I dunno about that, some mana stacks and the numbers be gettin kinda cray cray

esp cos the knights are just kinda the automated part and you can self cast for more ST

playing around w damned numbers too you kinda just bridge the cd gap perfectly w the dot

[winged flame]

It might've been good or at least usable if it had no cooldown or have other things to it, it's just HS

[ashen bluff]

not breakin the meta sure, but not like you need much in this game to clear all

least it does something now unlike before

[obtuse quest]

You could make them super poison/ignite applicators now

HS is one of the better skills for ailment application

[old hull]

At least they lowered the base😅 cooldown a bit

Huh, face in the middle of the sentence lol

I will slap some numbers in a spreadsheet, maybe when I get home today, just to see how much scaling we can get for minion HS

There are definitely a lot of scalars, but HS starts off from almost nothing

[ashen bluff]

ignite is a little ehh cos gotta go thru the 1 proj only node

poison tho

[old hull]

Poison is weak though, you're probably better off just using an ailment you can force on it, maybe bleed

Of course, if the unique staff doesn't apply to your minions, then ailment builds are dead anyway

[ashen bluff]

the reddit post says items should apply to it

[old hull]

Ah yeah, true

That opens up some options, then

[ashen bluff]

oh I forgot about soulfire

can do ignite without the node

[old hull]

I'll mainly see if I can get posses to actually deal damage

[ashen bluff]

marina's scalin?

[old hull]

Nah, that shouldn't affect HS from mages at all

More like int/vit stacking

It gets cubic scaling from int, kinda

Or quartic?

Increase, mana->flat, mana->multi, and pen scale with int

[winged flame]

Yeah at least the cooldown is lowered, definitively not a hit build but it would be cool if that could be a thing

[old hull]

Granted the two mana scaling ones don't scale much with int, and I guess actually the flat and pen are different types

This is why I need a spreadsheet, too many scalars lol

[old hull]

Yeah, the cooldown is what makes me want to try and scale posses

[ashen bluff]

would need to somehow damn the mages :D

[ashen bluff]

it's kinda nice that phantom grips have inc mana roll, the int to mana is just a slight bonus from gettin the inc scalin that way as I see it

[winged flame]

What's scaling with mana exactly?

Oh never mind, I see the node in HS

[ashen bluff]

#💀┃acolyte message this

[winged flame]

aaah right right

[ashen bluff]

1k mana is what 50 flat dmg and 200% more dmg

[winged flame]

Should've known since I've played profane oblation before

[old hull]

Node in HS, node in skele mage, and node in chaos bolts

Sadly all flat damage it gets from mana will just be necrotic, so it won't get the cold pen from scorn

But scorn + apogee is still the play, I think

[winged flame]

Revolution is new for me, never read the whole thing before actually

Damage is damage I suppose

[old hull]

And HS needs all it can get

[old hull]

OH I see what you mean now, I forgot that line exists on Marina since HS is so terrible lol

Yeah, I think it should be pretty easy to hit 7 damned on your mages

[ashen bluff]

does that beat apogee

[obtuse quest]

Apogee without minions dying is pretty mid

[old hull]

It caps out at 140% pen, which is pretty good, but I'd have to run numbers to know if it beats apogee

[ashen bluff]

could add sac into the loop I guess to force that

[winged flame]

Could also use 1 zombie ring

[ashen bluff]

if mana stackin you kinda really want double phantoms

they + nihilis only ways to inc

[old hull]

Only thing that messes with it is you want to consistently have 3 minions exactly

[obtuse quest]

Oh no, THAT node

[ashen bluff]

its so much more dmg but yeah pain in the ass to manage

[old hull]

It'll be super easy to manage as necro though

The usual issue is that you aren't scaling minions so they die to slight breezes

For hit/ailment HS, it might be ideal to have exactly 3 DKs, but might not be

For possess, archmage DK is definitely always better

[old hull]

Actually, along these lines, I wonder how things that trigger on hit might be with just max mages

Could run bone curse and the likes

Oh wait nevermind, the cooldown kinda ruins that

[ashen bluff]

yeah thats my next avenue as well

15 spirits per mage kinda bonkers

[winged flame]

Cursed

[pastel pagoda]

Im afraid of this picture

[steady spade]

hey guys

can someone please explain what is pros/cons of two builds: int and str abomination

i see some people use str stacking build and others use intel stacking build but im new to the build so cant spot that

thanks

[wintry flame]

uh str is better, you get all the benefits from int stacking regardless

[wintry flame]

what is this for?

[obtuse quest]

Str converts to INT.

So Str is technically better as long as you have the gear for it

[wintry flame]

also in regards to the Skeletal Mage talks idk if Possess will be good without changes to it. It's pretty bad, even on a minion and getting so much pen I don't think will help. Most of the HS builds will want to either go ailment with Curse of Perseverance or crit with Lich's. Most unique items will probably still look at you regarding their unique effects. In most cases when a minion inherits your skill it just takes a copy of what you would cast, and scales with minion stuff after the fact. So things like Chronicle will likely proc of your kill, so you'll need a kill thresh like Bone Curse, but the ICD will limit it.

[steady spade]

thank you guys

[winged flame]

Bleed AoD lich

[wintry flame]

Oh I see, never messed with AoD as main damage

[winged flame]

Should have a lot of damage, the idols fits nicely since its maximum 564 increased DoT and 488 flat health (+bleed duration from weaver affix)

[wintry flame]

let me know how it goes!

[old hull]

Yeah, possess has generally been terrible, but minion casting does open up a lot of additional scaling. I don't expect a meta build, but I do plan on spreadsheeting it a lil just to get a ballpark idea of how far we can take it

[wintry flame]

if it was like Time Rot or had some inherent scaling other than a poor flat scaling it could be goated. I mean but you could always do hybrid and pair with damned

[muted mist]

if they're deliberately reworking the skill i wouldn't be shocked if Possess got a secondary scaling mechanic and a buff to the base damage + coefficient. I hope they buff it to feel good for self cast (and then slap a damage penalty on the DK version just like EQ if they need to)

[old hull]

Looks like death knight hungering souls will be viable for low corruption, numberswise. Not clue how clear will feel, but should be quite a few skulls every ~1.5s. Single target seems garbo, but it's a meme build anyway

[ashen bluff]

hs is kinda solid early just doesn't scale, making DK's automate it should be a smooth early mono build, can mana stack to push it a little and then just swap to a mana stack lich I guess D:

[winged flame]

I got bored of the build, sorry

😂

[wintry flame]

😭😂 fair enough

[tacit plinth]

Dread did a AOD with the primordial gloves and it seems good enough ,dont think its uber viable but clear was fine

Most ailments builds i see are bleed ,is poison and frostbite likr not strong enough you can get a ton of bleed penetration I guess

[obtuse quest]

Poison is utter ass.
Frostbite is mid at best on acolyte, other classes can do it better

[tacit plinth]

Cool ty good to know

[obtuse quest]

Ignite is still decent on acolyte

So it's mostly bleed and ignite

[wintry flame]

Poison isn’t nearly as bad in Acolyte with access to poison overload & scaling for Rogues but it doesn’t scales as well as most builds. Poison excels in a very few niche cases.

[tender ridge]

Only other class I can really think of that can deliver on poison stacks dealing damage is scorpion

serpent's venom got nerfed pretty hard and none of the rogue poison builds are all that spectacular. I played a poison Hail of Arrows build, but that might as well have just been bleed HoA with a different color

[wintry flame]

Yeah, it’s pretty bad everywhere😭 even Heartseeker is a combination of bleed/poison

[lost gale]

Poison Overload singlehandedly saves poison for Acolyte

[steady spade]

is there a way to summon these plebs fast? or i need to do it manually

by placing 4 minions into skill bar, summon them - channel Abo, take them off?

[wintry flame]

yeah you skill swap to the needed minions do a summoning process then swap skills to the ones you use. Should only have to do it once a session, tho

[steady spade]

about Dread shade, do i need to buff it to my Abo often?

or its pernament buff

as I don't see the duration

[vapid kindle]

stays on until abom dies or you enter a new zone

(monolith is all considered one big zone except end of time and shattered road so same as zeckar said above, usually once per session)

[steady spade]

thank guys

[sly forge]

I think you should summon all minions, not just 1 like the above

Abo gains more damage for each minion absorbed

[steady spade]

<@&1161418687471956101> cripto spammer

[night hemlock]

Up to 20 minions if I recall which the skeletons will more than manage on their own

[wintry flame]

yeah

there's a limit now

[steady spade]

i see some people stacking high % endurance

is it just for better stats on Tyrano?

[old hull]

In general, yes. It also gives block chance from face of the mountain shield, if you use that.

[night hemlock]

That and block capping if you go that route

[steady spade]

ty guys

[austere granite]

hi, looks like they replaced ‘summon Volatile Zombie on potion use’ with ‘summon Bee on potion use’ ???

[wintry flame]

yes

[obtuse quest]

Yes, it was a whole season ago I think.

[austere granite]

ty 2 guys

[green cedar]

Anyone know this. Bone Curse, node. Cursed Ground, say it re-applies BC when enemies walk in to it? So its it only when they are outside and walk into it or will it also applie BC if the enemy alrady stand in it after the first cast?

[obtuse quest]

On touch. CG can only trigger once per enemy. (But can trigger on any number of enemies.)

[green cedar]

Okay not that good then 🙂 But thx

[echo shore]

Any players dungeons ?

[tender ridge]

on the subject of bone curse, I really want them to somehow make the one-shot curse a viable build. 1-2 punch builds are fun. I'd even be fine with the single target being mediocre if it meant I could run around using Bone Curse as basically a slam

[muted mist]

I recall dread making the most elaborate build I think I've seen based around cursing his skeletons and then knocking the curse off with marrow shards to trigger Rip Blood. That's the closest build I've seen.

I think you'd need a unique that gave Bone Curse a cool down in exchange for more damage to make your dream work.

[tender ridge]

it already has that in a node on the skill

it's just the node sucks and the scaling across the whole skill isn't enough to make up for how little damage it does

[muted mist]

Forgot that node added a cool down. I think a unique is probably required somehow for the balance to work out, but maybe a generic one would be sufficient if they buffed that node a bit.

I don't think it works with true sight glass, that would be another possible intervention point

[old hull]

imo a node shouldn't be totally worthless when not using it with one specific unique

[night hemlock]

Sounds almost like a PoE build

[pastel pagoda]

zombieee

[tall mural]

That AoD fire support tho

[ashen bluff]

The true RF

[tall mural]

hopefully it also converts the subskills

[muted mist]

Incipient Decay states that Defiling Nova is never converted, but the existing conversions affect everything else to my knowledge. The minion nodes definitely convert which should be very interesting for minion army ignite builds

[muted mist]

These boots, soulfire relic, Curse of Perseverence, and the new Skeletal Mage Death Blossom rework seem interesting.

[obtuse quest]

More ignite support for warlock? Oh boy!

[sly forge]

will -poison res be converted to -fire res too?

this is what I need to make flame wraith good

[vale jacinth]

Yeah i patented big boom zombies. And this will be amazing

It was missing qol so this will be a nice addition in that build

[old hull]

It should convert yes, all the other conversions do

[tender ridge]

same. it genuinely needs something like a 100x damage boost to be competitive

and like from a design intention standpoint, it's clearly meant to convert bone curse into a main-damage ability

[old hull]

Yeah, something on that level, which is pretty wild

[tender ridge]

it just sucks

[old hull]

Bone curse itself can proc SO many times that limiting it to a single 2.5x power proc is like a super self-nerf lol

[tender ridge]

there's even the triple damage warlock crits that would be fun to use with it

[sly forge]

finally. Make flame wraith great again

[acoustic fable]

huge

21% chance to resurrect

[pastel pagoda]

explosioooooooooooon

[autumn bough]

any abomination mains?

ready to push 10k cor?

[autumn bough]

op for infernal shade build

[frail pebble]

Anyone know what the current state of stygian coal is? Thinking I'd like to start 1.4 w/ a stygian build using the new weaver set amulet to further reward the whole stat stacking plan, but I keep seeing people talking about the item or skill being bugged

but noone ever seems to mention what is supposed to be broken lmao

[autumn bough]

its just low dmg. 20 mil dps now

main nerf is loss of death seal buff

not bugged

laddle was also nerfed

sorry not laddle blood rip

so it got a bunch of nerfs and mediocre now

[frail pebble]

tragic, but as long as it's viable through empowered timelines it's probably good enough to start farming up whatever strikes my fancy for a second or third build

[autumn bough]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/v2eoz0gp#5 what i managed to salvage from the build there are several variations

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/rip-blood-lich-guide play this build instead or other lich builds

[forest gyro]

Whats the meta on leveling acolytes before lvl 25?

[crisp marlin]

Rip Blood + Wandering Spirits; after you gain access to Chaos Bolts and Chthonic Fissure swap to those

[muted mist]

If I convert Volatile Zombies to fire, the Flammable Vitae node says 'poison chance from all sources is converted to ignite'. Does that convert the poison stacks from popping them with Chaos Bolts via the Volatile Kindling and Sudden Putrescence node?

[old hull]

It should yes, I haven't tested it though

[muted mist]

if so, the new Ash Wake boots should be great for zombie pop. Convert zombies to fire, use Ash Wake boots plus Dragonflame Edict plus Serpent's Milk. Though the latter two won't help while leveling which is mostly what I used that build for

Though with the Blood Specter fix to Sacrifice, bleed specters might be the meta leveling build now (though it takes a bit to come online relative to zombie pop)

[obtuse quest]

Buffs provided by other effects may or may not convert, but pretty sure this is currently testable

[autumn bough]

Zombie pop relies on apocalypse and best on warlock so boots have little to do. The only way to abuse them as i see is using fire aod for pen but that build doesnt have skill slots for that

[night hemlock]

Thoughts on Bone Curse vs Infernal Shade for Abom?

[obtuse quest]

Do you not want to double abom's attack speed?

(Ideally you use both.)

[night hemlock]

What would you drop? Aura of Decay?

Tbf I imagine AoD is mostly useful when bossing

[autumn bough]

why is that a choice?

u snapshot infernal shade and unspect it

[night hemlock]

Didn't that get patched?

[autumn bough]

snapshot with items was patched, skills still snapshot

with abomination current full snapshot is put infernal shade+dread shade specced into 1 minion

unspec both, spec aod+dread shade but now dread shade on enemy

then you have abom with bone curse, aod pen , infernal shade and double dread shade

[obtuse quest]

Skill snapshot getting patched is the day self-buffs die in a ditch

[autumn bough]

hahah wdym

even without snapshot abom is giga broken

[obtuse quest]

Nah as in stuff like fissure snapshotting buffs the moment it casts and a lot of other skills do the same thing

[arctic grotto]

I wonder how much damage abom can do with this, seems too damn broken for me to imagine

[autumn bough]

i made showcase on engame budget gear(1 T7 affix, no crazy lpl items)

without snapshot its 52 sec uber kill, with snapshot 40s, crits for 36mil on uber from double strike, aut attacks range from 300-700k

with double t7 gear ofc it pushing way higher numbers i didnt bother testing

[arctic grotto]

Damn, 36 mil on uber, I can only hit that dmg with the dummy no snapshot tho

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc690oBS114 here is the showcase, planner linked

[arctic grotto]

Thank you, I'm using something close to this build. Really helped me beat Uber solo. I assume the build on the video is much better than the budget presented in guide yeah?

[autumn bough]

no, the gear is exactly what is linked under video

[night hemlock]

Not all snapshotting is equal

Some is intended, others not so much

[wintry flame]

You can snapshot more too😅 like lichs scorn

[autumn bough]

wont it fck up with item change?

[rare glade]

anyone know if the triggeres to get damned/ignite overload have to be a direct cast of a fire/necrotic spell or it can be a triggered skill?

[muted mist]

Lich's Scorn specifies 'when you cast Dread Shade' and currently that snapshots for the duration of the dread shade, even if you change items, even if you unspec the skill. You can go to the arena, cast Infernal shades on the dummies, cast Dread Shade, and then head back to monos and it'll still keep the cold damage.

[autumn bough]

ye but abomination will get rekt by item swap

[obtuse quest]

Cast. You have to press the button.

[wintry flame]

From what? You just swap the shield, doesn’t do anything

[distant scroll]

Without abusing snapshotting though, you have to choose between 2 out of 3 of infernal shade, bone curse, and aura of decay

Im considering dropping aura of decay because I dont need it for clear, and for bosses, I feel like Im dying by standing so close to the bosses, so I might as well drop it and just bone curse from distance

[arctic grotto]

Its a choice between high atk speed + cast speed or high damage, with infernal shade my abom hits a 100 M with double strike at the dummy but with Aura of Decay it hits 170 M with double strike

[rich stag]

Are you using a glass cannon version of Abom?

I am exceptionally tanky on mine going max block.

[distant scroll]

Im using the strength stacking build and bastion of honour. About 6.5k ward and 6.7k armor. If theres something tankier I'd love to know about it

[autumn bough]

among acolyte builds infernal shade is more tanky it has 6k+ hp 10k ward and more armor, and health stacking poison chaos bolts. overall primalist and sentinels are more tanky but severaly lacking in damage

[forest gyro]

Any fire necro player could tell me what im missing? my damage feels slightly bad for early emp monos

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4RZYq9

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 86

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (78)

General:

▸ Health: 2,368, Regen: 42.85/s
▸ Mana: 104.65, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 83/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 0 Dex / 26 Int / 0 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 61% / 16% / 61% / 106% / 91% / 15%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 474
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (493)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton

[tender ridge]

@wintry flame would be the one to ask

I tried to get fire minions to work but I couldn't do it

[forest gyro]

Like it's working

But slowly

[crisp marlin]

what are you trying to do damage with, exactly, in that build? flame wraiths?

flame wraith but does "work" IIRC, it's just not great compared to the really strong/meta options
people generally try to get 18-20 flame wraiths and use aberrant call
I'm not aware of any popular fire minion builds with golems or skeletons tbh, at least not where those skills are expected to deal damage.. maybe pyromancer skeletons?

[tender ridge]

Zeckar was talking about getting the pyre golem aura to a good spot

I couldn't make it work but I don't really play minion builds all that often on acolyte

[wintry flame]

Flame wraith is the best fire based build currently and it's pretty top tier

any build isn't really fire in the end, lmao cold/necrotic/phys have the most support. With Pyre Golem, I was accumulating every source of flat for DoT/spells, including lich's. Then you would just run the new passive that heals your minions on death, resummon for skeles and just have to upkeep mages to get the damage buffs. You could scale their trees for damage as well as maximum and keep in wraiths, just would have to deal with dread shade since it won't cover all the minions likely.

[arctic grotto]

I highly recommend the reaper passive from the Lich tree for significant dodge chance. It will be much more effective paired with dodge related blessings, given me 50% dodge at lvl 100 areas. Significant survivability for little investment.

[forest gyro]

it's babblingbike's build https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/guide/67ba8e0fa38451810d55fda8

or aaron's, unsure

[rich stag]

ActionRPG is Aaron and I wouldn’t say he makes particularly good builds but they are builds you can enjoy in a more casual manner

[autumn bough]

ONLY MAXROLL BEST GUIDES

[rich stag]

They are better than Aaron’s builds, I’ll give then that much 😅

For someone who wants a guide though they do actually “guide” the end user

So for that purpose they are very good

[muted mist]

are your minions crit capped? I don't see very much increased minion crit chance on your build. You do have a ton of base crit but I only see the 100% increased crit chance from the tree. You may want to get the node for INT -> crit chance at the end of the necro tree, and then stack int; int also gives your minions flat health and increased damage. I only see ~200% increased minion fire damage, that feels a tad low (but I've been playing minion DoT lately). You also have very little flat damage, an axe with T7 brutality would give 48-59 minion flat melee and spell. Or if you're using the golem as pure util you could go of the Coven for spell and bow damage. I'm not sure if the additional flat would be worth the loss of the +skills. You also have zero pen that I see; try to get minion marked for death on an idol, with how many minions you have the uptime will be good vs a lot of stuff. Shared fire pen on weapon suffix is another option. I would consider ditching some of the passives for more max skeletons to get more stuff at the top of the tree, you could potentially benefit from the threshold bonuses of all 3 top necro passives.

[forest gyro]

while i read that, heres the version with last night's upgrade

got to 225

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP6Ea3al

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (84)

General:

▸ Health: 2,737, Regen: 22.97/s
▸ Mana: 120.36, Regen: 8.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 106%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 0 Dex / 30 Int / 0 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 65% / 45% / 100% / 100% / 122% / 29%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 547
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (162)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (953)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 107%

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton

[forest gyro]

(i did get the first of the 3 3 pointers at the end of necro tree)

i do have mark on death, and i fainly remember having some fire res lowering ...from somewhere....

Ive been looking for any good flat wand to put on my wand (+4 1lp or +3 2lp)

i never thought finding a death rattle would be this hard...

i guess i could push for +20 res blessing next

[muted mist]

The biggest flat damage boost you're going to get is a good Lich's offhand, if you're willing to snapshot the Dread Shade for it (though you would need a minion that survives reliably for that to work). You can swap it and the Lich's gloves out after you snapshot. I realize it's cold damage but if you're mostly going crit multi anyway, that works on all flat damage.

[forest gyro]

Tonight's upgrade: 3LP OH (minion damage + 2 reses), 1 LP Wand (+32 bow/spelll flat, 1LP Deathrattle (Minion damage)

got to aby, damage still too low to be confy

[acoustic fable]

im thinking to convert zombies to fire and then using AOD with new boots its gonna be a huge dmg buff should be able to kill uber around 1 min or less

[autumn bough]

Uhhh will it tho

I forgot how good it is now

[acoustic fable]

well i tested right now with AOD u can kill it 1min 20 secs ish

thats half phys dmg

[autumn bough]

Wait you are playing same version with warlock apocalypse max cdr on veil?

[acoustic fable]

yeh just swap ghostflame

[autumn bough]

Okok ye

[acoustic fable]

but its very squishy

[autumn bough]

Well the idea is that you offscreen everything when not jn veil

You see mobs veil pop move on

[acoustic fable]

for mapping i would stay with ghostflame

but i hate swaping skills for bosses and map maybe i will trade chaos bolts for ghostflame

[tender ridge]

swapping skills for bosses makes a lot more sense in something like PoE where the opportunity cost is just a gem slot somewhere. having to relevel your skill before the boss is annoying

[tender ridge]

disabling the melee attack on Flay to make it into a spell is just straight bad right? you lose all the procs for chaos bolt/marrow shards, and just gain some range/direct cast synergies?

[wintry flame]

yeah and you lose even more skill tree nodes

[tender ridge]

yeah cuts off basically the whole left side of the tree

you still get the mana node

if wandering spirits were better this would be a pretty interesting node to consider with a Blood Eruption build

they are one of like a handful of spell-dots that do actually stack

[obtuse quest]

The wording makes it always bad because it's a single wandering spirit per proc.

Not like a cast of it.

6 spirits every 4 seconds is pretty bad.

[tender ridge]

individual spirits do passable damage. the skill itself is relevant for longer than most spell-dots are in terms of progression

[rare glade]

Will aura of decay prco bleed overload if converted to physical?

[obtuse quest]

Only casts can proc overloads.
If you press AoD it will check on that moment if you can proc overload, if you can, it will, otherwise no.

If you’re asking if keeping aod on will aod proc overloads: No. you did not use a skill.

[rare glade]

Do you know how channeling abilities work with overload? like ghostflame for instance. Will I have to stoip channeleing then re-start? Or will it just proc

[obtuse quest]

You have to stop channeling.

Channels are not casts.

Overload only checks on pressing the button.

[rare glade]

ooooof that sucks. Would really like to do witch fire with ghost flame without pressing unpressing pressing

[old hull]

Well, 1 channel is 1 cast

Technically, you can keep the ghostflame button held/toggled on and just use evade or a skill to its left to force a new cast

Since it checks overload conditions at the start of casting only

[gilded sky]

interesting items

[gilded sky]

amazing class, 10/10 would blow myself up again

[gilded sky]

damage sucks tbh

[zenith swallow]

whats the traversal skill for lich?

[gilded sky]

interesting how this presentation presents lich as best option lol

[tender ridge]

it doesn't tho, it just puts it in the middle is all

[tender ridge]

transplant for the most part

if you're using reaper form, Reap shares a CD with traversal skills if you don't take the node that stops that

[gilded sky]

you can't be serious

[tender ridge]

why not? Flay is better served as actual damage and making it traversal removes that. Can't use Profane Veil, skeleton mage could maybe be in a niche build, fissure is locked to warlock

[zenith swallow]

does anyone here have a good build guide for lich?

[tender ridge]

do you have a specific skill you want to use, or just something general?

[zenith swallow]

something in general

this is my first acolyte

[tender ridge]

Mana Flay is good. it's a melee playstyle

[zenith swallow]

i love melee

ive done bladedancer, spellblade, void knight

[tender ridge]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/flay-mana-lich-guide

you'll probably like that then

all of the damage is coming from spell procs, but it plays like other melee builds since you gotta hit stuff with flay to get the procs

if you're looking for starter builds for the season, you might need something else. mana flay is pretty gear reliant

[zenith swallow]

i have 4m gold irght now

is that enough

[tender ridge]

dunno I don't play merchant

[zenith swallow]

is attack speed good on lich?

for melee

[tender ridge]

yes

[zenith swallow]

i have these from when i was using my bladedancer

is this good?

[tender ridge]

Those would be good, yeah. That a look at that guide

They might not be identical, but the boots are what you want anyway

[sand turret]

Hehe. Does the rip blood lich build count as melee since you benefit from staying close to the mobs?

[gilded sky]

what am I supposed to pick to make use of this one? two above?

[tender ridge]

it has a duration naturally, things generally just die before you reach that duration

you could take the fall-off nodes but you'll lose a bit of power doing that. especially if you take the last one that gives it a CD

[gilded sky]

weird synergy, thanks

honestly I don't get it

I tried 1 self-bleed and it rekt me for good

and here game offers you not 1 self-bleed but whole two

am I supposed to outward it or something

[tender ridge]

I don't follow

are you trying to play bleed warlock or something and dying to self damage?

[gilded sky]

bleed lich

[tender ridge]

do you have % current health drain without any recovery

[gilded sky]

year ago I only played blade dancer mostly, and never acolyte

so my questions are not really smartest

[tender ridge]

because self afflicted bleeds shouldn't ever do enough damage to kill you

[gilded sky]

I guess

it's not too apparent what supposed to counter it

well, aside items

[tender ridge]

I mean, items. leech can help if you're playing a hit based build

get something like exsanguinous and just convert your life to ward

[gilded sky]

passive trees are super confusing

like this one
why is it after a node that unleeches the leech, what's the point

[tender ridge]

because you still have the leech stat, it just functions differently

[gilded sky]

so, there's enough nodes that self-bleed or drain health, but then there's unleech?

what the game wants one to do then

I don't think I'm supposed to use rip blood and spam it all day

[tender ridge]

i told you a way to fix it if you're not healing naturally, items. The game isn't 100% your passive tree

[gilded sky]

this said nothing to me, hence I missed that

[tender ridge]

Exsanguinous, Shroud of Obscurity, Last Steps of the Living, and the experimental gloves affix all convert your health to ward

so it doesn't matter that you're draining life and not leeching, because your life is converted into a ward bar instead. you actively want to have a low current health because it means more ward generation. your bleeds shouldn't kill you then

[gilded sky]

makes sense I think, thanks
I thought I'm supposed to use passives or nodes inside some skills

nay is nay then

[tender ridge]

there's some things that can help offset it, but generally your build needs to be around your passives, skills, and gear all together as a whole

if you're gonna use some kind of self damage you need recovery to offset it. leech is the easiest to access on lich. health regen is another option but you'd need a bunch. the ward conversion items are also a great choice if you want to stay at low-life all the time

[gilded sky]

equipped unique 2h instead of 1h+unique book
damage increased by factor of few
nice gameplay

I never seen this one before actually

honestly this is even more confusing
like, when does it? until when?

[tender ridge]

always

you will constantly be losing 3% of your current health
you will constantly be gaining 3% of your missing health

it converts your health to ward. the more ward retention you have, the higher the ward will go

[gilded sky]

so it should be saying "up until your ward retention" right?

[tender ridge]

no

[gilded sky]

I should've been dead by the time I'm writing this

and yet nothing is drained

[tender ridge]

it can't kill you

it drains current health, not max

[gilded sky]

it literally not moving

[tender ridge]

you're in town

your health doesn't change in town

you also have 9 health regen per second. that's going to offset some of the health drain when you leave

you'll continue to lose health until the drain equalizes with your health regen

[gilded sky]

ah

so it's so literaly

thank you thank you

[tender ridge]

i don't get why cthonic fissure has such a low ADE. is it because of the self-torment node and they wanted to play it safe or something

[muted mist]

It has a very high ADE per cast, if you add together the impact damage, the fissure per second damage, the impact damage from spirits, and the damage over time from torment. 300% ADE per second just from the over time components is not bad for a fire and forget spell that expects you to be doing other things while it ticks in the background. Like everything else, it's the more damage multipliers that make or break it, and those are all associated with Torment, for better or worse.

[tender ridge]

iirc it actually has more direct damage multipliers than torment specific ones

[obtuse quest]

You do not have a hard cap on ward, just a “soft” cap due to ward formulas (which retention is related to)

[gilded sky]

gods of random have weird sense of humour

guess I can pump it higher than that

[hardy swift]

Flay is gdlk

[gilded sky]

this is proven false btw

[night hemlock]

Well no, it's already implied

All Ward is limited by Ward Retention

Also you drain a % of your current Health per second, not max

So it will tend towards 0 but never reach it

[gilded sky]

I meant ward threshold back then

sorry for confusion

[gilded sky]

does anyone know if red feather chest is bis for my lich?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAs4DiA to be exact

[zenith swallow]

hey guys im new to acolyte and im doing lich. do I do both necrotic and cold damage?

im going to do flay

[gilded sky]

mmm balanced

[gilded sky]

more experiences people might say yes, but personally I just take nodes to bring all damage to single element, except flay's cold curse thing, because I don't have other curses so having free (non button) curse for harvest is pretty cool

[zenith swallow]

so how do i manage my skills? I curse the enemies with flay and then use harvest?

[gilded sky]

that's one of the options

like, I figured out I don't need manual curses, you might like the flavour of bone curse or plague one

like, I personally don't see why I should deal multi element

not because I have two bleed axes, but because I feel it's kinda easier to just bump single +damage

especially since acolyte skills are VERY generous about conversion nodes

I think every other skills has at least 1, so you can line them up to physical, poison, nectoric, cold

exception is harvest poison, but it's there just for +damage node so who cares

even decay aura has conversion to physical lol

I think it all depends on your preference and lucky gear piece you naturally setup whole build around

not everyone is lucky for two bleed axes and stuff like this

so in different circumstance I could've opted for something else

on other hand, since I never tested this on Lagon, might occur that I'm bullshitting you

as you know Lagon is quite a wall

[zenith swallow]

should i get soul ripper to convert my flay to necrotic damage?

[hollow flint]

Depends on what build you are going for. Personally I enjoy phys most

[zenith swallow]

also since im doing melee build is siphon and shattered chains good?

like i would on a shadow cascade bladedancer

[gilded sky]

I would answer if I remembered what those names correspond to

[gilded sky]

cool

[zenith swallow]

since im doing melee on my lich is shattered chains and siphon of anguish good?

[vapid kindle]

the most popular lich build (the mana stacking flay) plays in melee range but deals almost entirely spell damage. so doom combo does nothing to help you even though you are using melee abilities. there is another build that doesn’t proc the spells and just does melee flay/harvest, and for that one you would want doom for sure

[zenith swallow]

also should i scale both intelligence and dexterity? what do each of them do to flay/harvest?

and whats a good way to raise my health leech? im not doing very much with the lich passive

for 1%

[vapid kindle]

dex is good for the melee build as it gives you flat melee but if you are playing spell version then only int really matters. on melee version you still want int for increased dmg and pen but i believe dex is slightly higher prio. for leech there is accursed feast node which gives you a ton of leech but has increased leech rate which can be bad. there is also ageless ascetic node which is really nice and gives you 5%. melee version you will have siphon for a bit more too

[zenith swallow]

im following Jella's planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6G17d8

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 6,203, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 2,065.92, Regen: 27.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 232%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 15 Dex / 116 Int / 15 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 91% / 78% / 78% / 144% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 2,593
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (82)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,574)

Used skills:

Flay / Reaper Form / Harvest / Marrow Shards / Chaos Bolts

[zenith swallow]

is this melee version or spell

[zenith swallow]

im pretty sure im doing melee right now

[vapid kindle]

this is spell, you play in melee range but most of ur damage comes from chaos bolt and marrow shards which are spells

[zenith swallow]

oh ok

[zenith swallow]

so i have to manually cast marrow shards and chaos bolt?

[vapid kindle]

now they don’t even need to be on your skill bar they get procced by flay so you can use transplant for mobility and death seal for a panic button

but you still spec them

[zenith swallow]

chaos rip?

and 100% crit for marrow shards

got it

[vapid kindle]

yeah

[zenith swallow]

i have this

what should i slam on it

[zenith swallow]

is this a good node?

[gilded sky]

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[gilded sky]

if you don't have anything that actually profits from low life, it's trash

[zenith swallow]

so just get rid of it?

[obtuse quest]

Almost every lich build puts at least 1 point in for the stats it gives(6% more healtth and 2% max health to endu threshold), past that it's build-dependant

[gilded sky]

node past it is pretty good

[zenith swallow]

i have 1 point in it right now

[tacit plinth]

If corrupted form wasn't bugged it would be insane since its not increase and more health ,anyway the capping its annoying and the bug infuriating but I like it for mapping

[gilded sky]

heh

[vapid kindle]

iirc it’s more EHP than without the node and it gives you overleech, the “always count as low life” portion doesn’t work but it’s still very good

[gilded sky]

oh right, there's exactly one node that triples damage from it on low life, right

[tacit plinth]

Yeah but it doesn't work cause its bugged

[vapid kindle]

there are probably scenarios where it’s not EHP positive but in the vast majority of cases it is EHP positive, if not by a huge amount

[tacit plinth]

Even mastery makes no sense since I wanna be full hp not low

But 30% more health it's insane not same as 30% increase

[vapid kindle]

my point here is that the “always count as low life” is not the reason corrupted form is good, so i’m not really sure what you’re getting at here

[tacit plinth]

Ward cap aint great for me either ,idk lich tree and skills builds bugged is very disappointing but this is the most fun build I have played since static orb so I can look past all the bugs and weaker passives

[vapid kindle]

i mean it’s kinda annoying but it’s an ok price to pay for the ehp increase and perma overleech

[tacit plinth]

Vk passives are great to the point i am like man I wish we got more passives someday in lich i feel like they are weaker cause not as good if that makes any sense of course bugs are definitely giving .e some bias

[gilded sky]

what bugs

[tacit plinth]

Many rofl

[vapid kindle]

lich has really good passives imo, the -elemental res is kinda stupid but there’s lots of really good nodes

[tacit plinth]

Corrupted form for once its bugged so it says you count as lowlife you don't

[vapid kindle]

though not as good as beastmaster and probably not as good as vk i’ll give you that

[tacit plinth]

So all the low lich tech is pointless cause I want to leech to 100

[vapid kindle]

and some more crit would be nice lich is pretty starved for actual crit in passives tbh

[tacit plinth]

Death seal gets bugged very often you start game and you have to take it out of skill bar and put it back or doesn't work

[tacit plinth]

Yeah man or some shred too

If army of skin or traitor tongue gets touched lpl in balance I am farming that stuff nonstop before new season

[vapid kindle]

army of skin is for sure getting nerfed and probably traitor but idk if it will be lpl

[tacit plinth]

Idk coal lich not getting proper scalers and the skill it uses many nodes dont impact it completely the beams so you loose damage

I would lpl maybe lower something thing is traitor is best dagger by a long shot idk just nerf lpl

[vapid kindle]

i don’t super mind that one, shred is pretty easy to get you just need one affix compared to crit and a lot of masteries don’t have it but i get what you mean

[tacit plinth]

I had some daggers that are insane but missing the shred was rough for me ,but yeah I feel like every Mastery should have some flat and increase crit on it

[vapid kindle]

if they nerf traitors flat crit it’s gonna get rough out here for sure

[fleet reef]

theres no way traitors doesnt get nerfed in some way.

[zenith swallow]

is t7 mana better than t7 necrotic damage with the deadly plot node

[tacit plinth]

I would put sometime reading what the axe unique does and how the build plays out thats gonna self-explanatory a lot of doubts

[zenith swallow]

thanks i will

[zenith swallow]

whats a good belt to wear for spell flay lich?

[night hemlock]

Immolator or Brewmaster I would say

Orian is another option too

[tender ridge]

brewmaster's buckle with one or two life mods is a solid choice for most builds if you don't know exactly what you want

[peak flare]

Question: the tooltip of the node Revolution inside Chaos Bolt says it gives your minions +1 flat spell damage per 20 max mana (which is 5% of your mana), but when you hover the buff it says "20% of caster's mana" which is 4 times more than the tooltip. Which one is correct?

[old hull]

It's 5% (buff/debuff tooltips are often neglected)

[forest gyro]

I think ive reached the reasonable limit for CoF with my necro... anything more than this feels like somewhat of a pipe dream. Can someone think of a quick win for this character? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdOjR3p

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (90)

General:

▸ Health: 3,219, Regen: 25.41/s
▸ Mana: 111.44, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 172%, Regen: 145/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 8 Dex / 57 Int / 0 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 119% / 153% / 85% / 82% / 200% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 644
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,575)

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton

[forest gyro]

Dont think this character is brink/uber viable? Not before a lot of farming?