💀┃acolyte

[charred ridge]

ya but you're assuming sigils wouldn't be content

i don't think it's a fair assumption

sigils couldve been loot that you have to find via endgame content

like blessings i guess, could have rarities, roll ranges, affixes, etc

i was mostly looking at it from the perspective of proc'ing them via flay but 1.5 spirit per second just doesn't sound like a significant amount of damage compared to, you know, 120 chaos bolts per second

the damage per spirit is probably about similar to the damage per chaos bolt, just 100x less of them

nvm i forgot two more multipliers

im assuming these are multiplicative with each other?

i also wonder if the flay spell dmg transfers to the poison bolts cast by wandering spirits

[mighty tundra]

i mean fair, they could tie it to a pinnacle encounter or two

[craggy flax]

I don't see them gating new systems behind pinnacle bosses.
now some sigils could be, but not all

[charred ridge]

ye like technically you can create as much content out of them as you're willing to

the possibilities are endless really

like idk have mobs drop crafting mats (ancient bone style) and design a whole crafting system around sigils

[vapid kindle]

that’s the thing if they actually balance things so all the woven echoes are worth doing then it will feel like a ton of new content even if the content stays the same

i was just saying earlier in a different chat that the problem isn’t the volume of endgame content it’s the balance

[charred ridge]

i don't think EHG wants to balance content in a way that makes you want to run it though

i've been complaining since forever that there is no reason to do pinnacle content aka aberroth (and now, uber aberroth) if you don't need boss uniques

but it's not just pinnacle content it's like everything

the majasa woven echo? not a shield user? ya that does not exist

harbinger rush echo, with a bunch of random harbinger loot? does not exist

1 targeted harbinger echo, only exists if you need boss loot

draal queen echo, i've never seen that unique item in a build, so it doesn't exist

but the new primordial echoes actually do exist and you know why, because they give ancient bones aka something that helps everybody regardless of their build, with no exception

why don't they just do that with every woven echo

and every boss

like why does 99% of the content only drop loot for 1% of builds

the game actually has like no generic loot

[craggy flax]

there is some, but not enough from pinnacle bosses
more stuff like Nihilis would be cool, great item for many build types

[charred ridge]

nihilis is not generic loot

[craggy flax]

it fits in many different build types

[charred ridge]

it's generically good, it's not generic loot

[craggy flax]

sorry ya maybe I misunderstood what you were asking for

[charred ridge]

i mean loot that literally everybody can use

[vapid kindle]

i think it’s fine for the crafting echoes to be an “if you need them” type thing but 99% of endgame content is either “if you need them” or “never do them”

[charred ridge]

dont even get me started on crafting echoes

wtb crafting bench kthxbye

[charred ridge]

the game just desperately needs currencies

poe has all this divine orbs nonsense & whatnot

LE has favor and

1. it doesn't drop from bosses
2. it's only useful for CoF
3. it's not even really that useful for CoF anymore

[vapid kindle]

in theory the primordial shop would be a step in that direction if there were more than one way to get primordial materials

[charred ridge]

ya

exactly what im saying

[visual wigeon]

i dont think EHG is even aware that the last season and this season is just Unclaimed Trove and how to most efficiently get Unclaimed Troves

[charred ridge]

considering that woven echoes (aka troves) is p-much the only content in the game, the fact that you can't see rift beasts in there is egregious

[vapid kindle]

i honestly feel like having 99% of echoes not make me feel like i’m shooting myself in the foot by not running troves would go a long way

[charred ridge]

if rampant coast wasn't bugged the new content wouldnt even exist

[charred ridge]

ye thats why i always say please god turn the rampant coast proc rate bug into a feature because the only reason to ever do something else than troves is so you can proc rampant coast

[vapid kindle]

there’s a ton of woven echoes that are clearly intended to be “general farming” echoes but they’re just 100x worse than trove so basically don’t exist

why tf am i gonna run any of those “loot for a great _” echoes when trove exists

[charred ridge]

i mean what we need is to buff woven echo loot across the board, remove the ability to imprint the same echo multiple times, add more imprint nodes to the tree

and then buff the proc rate of these echoes like 10x

so you can choose to target farm like 4-5 different woven echoes, and are able to actually just run echoes normally

and be met with actual diverse maps

like i want to run 10 maps and randomly proc a uber majasa that's actually hard and gives me good loot

[vapid kindle]

ye exactly

[lost gale]

poison bolts don't deal any damage, yes they technically hit to apply ailments but they have 0% damage effectiveness and no damage. Pretty sure flay buffs spell damage which wouldn't work for thos eailments anyway

[vapid kindle]

like if a balance patch means actually balancing woven echoes so there’s a legit reason to run different ones that’s still gonna be a massive change in endgame content without even actually adding anything

[charred ridge]

o i missed that 0% dmg effectiveness

[charred ridge]

i highly doubt EHG will ever manage to make the right changes in that regard tho imo

[vapid kindle]

mike indicated that he was interested in woven echo balance between seasons 2 and 3 and hinted at balance changes for them but then season 3 came out and nothing changed lmfao

[charred ridge]

it's just their design philosophy

[vapid kindle]

so maybe you’re right

[charred ridge]

like i mentioned poe had divine orbs earlier

i asked mike why dont we have hinekora locks in LE and he said "players wont stop whining if we add anything rare to the game"

ofc he phrased it differently but it wasnt actually very far off

like when i say LE doesn't have generic loot, that's not true

we have a ton of generic loot, so much generic loot in fact that it's unlimited

rune of havoc, rune of creation, rune of ascendance, rune of redemption

temporal keystone

glyph of despair

it's like 20 different types of generic loot that literally doesn't matter because it drops in unlimited quantities

actually sorry havocs are limited for the first 2 days

but ye it seems EHG is for some reason scared of adding rare "meaningful" loot to the game

so as a result it'll also be harder to just balance loot in general

how do you even make other woven echoes worth running

like actually, what would you change to make draal queen worth running 🤔

[real turret]

troves when u finish echo

[charred ridge]

i mean i would change the imprint system completely personally

[real turret]

ye same

just as a bandaid

[charred ridge]

just have it be like a "rune of imprinting or whatevering" that drops the things it currently drops from aka caches, killing mobs, echo rewards

put an item in the forge window, use your runes, they drop appropriate loot similar to when an imprint procs

except now you can make those runes drop from a wider variety of content

so it's not literally just troves and sepulcher

[gritty cargo]

I really like how much of an arcade game speedrunning 0-100 is

the mages echo should drop in all monoliths tbh and not just the lv 90 ones

would make the 0-100 more fun not relying on the 1% chance per mage in 3 zones, and make it 1% chance relying on all non empowered monoliths

character is done at level 100, dont know what most of those echos are I dont do that stuff

[deep bane]

this patch broke my lich, i can't defeat Uberroth anymore

[pearl snow]

? What are you playing

This patch made lich speedrun ubby

[deep bane]

Flay Mana Lich

[pearl snow]

Yeah thats the meta ine

If you cntrl f Noobzor in here, so many people have asked and gotten help from him. You can compare all the links etc hes posted

[brisk elk]

Marrow shards got patched

If you're playing the marrow shards bug abuse version you gotta switch back to chaos bolts

@deep bane

if you aren't playing marrow shards, then they broke something

[charred ridge]

https://youtu.be/Ii356Vs1THc

my flay build is fine but it might take slightly more investment without marrow shards

to get the same results

or slightly better piloting

[brisk elk]

I just figured out some crazy primalist tech so im rerolling once again

Lol

[potent hemlock]

did it really get nerf?

im still 1 shotting mobs in 5k corr

and doing uber in 30s

[little wigeon]

just came back on lich to see the bugfix, not even noticeable tbh lol

[fleet reef]

agreed on this, looking at the pattern, it HAS to be november or january to dodge poe1/2, or get bent over by poe2 again

[obtuse quest]

Only if marrow shards was part of your setup.

If it wasn't then nothing changed.

[potent hemlock]

it is

like is said still 1 shotting things

i dont feel the nerf

[obtuse quest]

Then there's a good chance marrow shards wasn't doing as much as you thought and your damage came from Chaos Bolts

Most builds that relied on both felt a bit of the nerf.

[vapid kindle]

it’s a nerf for sure but the damage difference isn’t really nearly as substantial as i was expecting

[obtuse quest]

The bug itself was... a rollercoaster typed bug anyway, either it only did double damage or skyrocketed it by x64

[gritty cargo]

I thought the timing was good

It squeesed in before the poe2 update, deadlock update, and original dying light 3 release date

I was done playing after the weekend there wasnt really much new content

[fleet reef]

that's perfect for anyone who wants to spend 3 days and dip (not saying that's wrong, lots of poeple did that). i dont think they would have called it a succesful season numbers wise. if they go head 2 head with poe2 again and just yolo it, then maybe they are happy with the numbers

[vast merlin]

with the new patch i felt my dmg dip but a lot... was following volcas mana flay. anyone know what we can do to fix dmg now? (marrow shards is the loss in dps i think)

[slim mason]

hmm so start a fissure lock and then switch to lich?

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much

[wild gulch]

Hi Squad, im doing a wraithlord build and I found this. Unforunately the T8 bricks because of LL chest? Any suggestions to craft or do anything? Should I just throw it into weaver tree?

[obtuse quest]

Yeah T8 means you can't use the super LL chest.

[hybrid forum]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/always-low-life-corrupted-form-dont-work-with-other-notables/79037

Anyone knows if this bug is fixed? If not it means my build has tons of wasted points 🤦‍♂️

[real turret]

500mil dps to 100mil dps after patch on pure marrow shards, so yes.

They didn't fix the army of skin bug, if they did marrow shards would be 10mil dps like intended

[south nexus]

army of skin is bugged? how?

[obtuse quest]

Iirc still unfixed

[real turret]

Marrow shards gets 2x mana scaling and a bugged proc from the boots, the bug is the only reason anyone uses marrow shards instead of pure chaos bolts

[south nexus]

👍

[south nexus]

clear! thanks for the explanation, i've read here about marrow shards bug, i'm a lich using mana scaling and flay with cb and marrow shards proc, and until yesterday i can defeat uberroth in a reasonable time (2 min) now for me it's near impossible unless you run the fight perfectly, or have really good gears

[swift forge]

didn't they fix this in the most recent patch?

[real turret]

no, they just fixed 1 node within marrow shards tree for a 75% dmg nerf

boots is another 75% nerf if it ever happens

[swift forge]

and they still haven't fixed corrupted form :(

[south nexus]

so the lich rework is around bugs? 😂

[obtuse quest]

Ehhh tbf, current lich even in it's current form, much more intresting that old lich

old lich is one-dimensional as hell.

[charred ridge]

lich is busted without bugs idk

my first uber kill was 3 days into the season and it took 50 seconds with the marrow shard bug, then i immediately spec'ed out of marrow shards with the same gear to see how it would perform and it was a 70s kill

which is like way better than the so-called "completely broken" ES VK killing uber in 3-4 minutes last season after a whole 7 days of playing

[lost gale]

Flayos Bolts is busted. I think Lich is a worse choice for stuff like infernal shade pop than it was pre-1.3

[charred ridge]

ya maybe

i mean at least harvest is a build now

[lost gale]

true

finally non-rogues can (ab)use traitor's tongue

[charred ridge]

coal would also be pretty good if it wasn't bugged xdd

[lost gale]

coal would be worse than before wouldn't it? death seal uptime is much lower & the tree doesn't have any giga dps nodes for it

rip blood flat got nerfed for coal too

[charred ridge]

ya true i forgot rip blood got hit

what did death seal do again

[lost gale]

I think death seal had half the cooldown and +1s base duration before but didn't have the same defensive benefits

so it was just up a lot more of the time giving a 66% more damage buff

70% actually I think

[charred ridge]

i think im missing the node where you get more damage per missing health

unless you mean that one?

which is increased so negligible unless it's bugged

[lost gale]

no

wait, let me check

"Toggle to remove all ward and seal your health, preventing it from going above its current value for 5 seconds. Deal more damage equal to your percent missing health and take less damage equal to half your percent missing health.
Reactivate to unleash a wave of death dealing damage based on how long Death Seal has been active and your current percent missing health."
That was the old description

[charred ridge]

oh wew somehow i missed that completely

[lost gale]

yeah it doesn't say it does that now

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oyK3zxYQ idk if this is actually a good coal build but it's a 1.2 coal planner

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,923, Regen: 12/s
▸ Mana: 319.2, Regen: 15.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 412%, Regen: 70/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 168 Int / 1 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 82% / 107% / 59% / 59% / 83% / 83%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 817
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,917)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Drain Life / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Transplant

This build has a guide:

Crit Stygian Coal Lich Build Guide by Bebins

[lost gale]

you can see what death seal & the tree looked like before

[charred ridge]

i just played lich in 1.0 and i dont remember death seal giving more damage at all

which is pretty weird cause that's a metric fkton of dmg

[lost gale]

yeah

[charred ridge]

shouldve left that in tbh

actually i do remember death seal giving a ton of dmg but i forgot it was literally 70% more

[lost gale]

it's just lich's version of flame ward now sadly

[charred ridge]

that was kinda cancer at the time but i think it'd be more fun now that lich is stronger and doesn't actually need death seal uptime to not hit like a wet noodle

[umbral oracle]

I'd rather see Lichs passive damage be improved. Same reason as why Sorc got their mana based dmg bonus buffed; minor increased damage doesn't really do much.

[charred ridge]

having an offensive cooldown is cool, just need to also be able to kill mobs outside of it

70% is way too much tho it'd have to be like 20% or something

[charred ridge]

yeah unfortunately it's most likely not gonna happen

if they didn't touch it on the revamp patch they're not gonna touch it period

[umbral oracle]

And for that Coal build; Don't you want to scale mana on coal? And I don't think the Blood Pact node works for coals mana cost, as that's mainly from Dark Shackles.
I'm also wondering if Corrupted Form is the way to go for Drain Life, so you can make use of the skills leech.

[lost gale]

that's just a 1.2 coal build with a planner I could look at, I don't actually know if it's any good

doubt it, it's not using ladle for one thing

[charred ridge]

www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx7kzVOQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,109, Regen: 22.4/s
▸ Mana: 1,100.41, Regen: 18.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 404%, Regen: 11/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 29 Dex / 202 Int / 20 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 114% / 114% / 110% / 115% / 124% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 622
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (159)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,432)

Used skills:

Transplant / Rip Blood / Drain Life / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[charred ridge]

oops

why is that not a hyperlink

anyway

thats the build i was looking at

i can guarantee that it would kill uber in 40 seconds with more optimization in 1.2

but yeah without 70% more from death seal, not sure about its 1.3 performance

(that build is from a 1 min uber kill video)

[lost gale]

in 1.2 coal builds were only doing uber with really really sick gear

[charred ridge]

ya i mean i farm really really sick gear so

i mean this gear does not look sick to me at all

aside from the relic which is pretty sick the rest is like day 3 gear in terms of damage

[lost gale]

the relic is crazy man

great rolls, 2lp, hit the slam

[charred ridge]

yeah the relic is insane but like

there is so much focus on defense on the rest of the gear

this is like 50% of the dmg it could be

[lost gale]

and lp4 ladle

[charred ridge]

probably even less

[lost gale]

sure you can get lp4 ladles if you're lucky but

[charred ridge]

as far as i'm concerned that ladle is a 3lp

unless for some reason you wanna shock

[lost gale]

well shock is another ailment for the ladle more damage per ailment thing

[charred ridge]

you don't need that much

there's 10 ailments on the bar

[lost gale]

okay

[charred ridge]

i dont think i've come across a build that doesn't hit ladle's 8 ailments without even trying

i mean the build has pretty good gear in terms of like versatility and stuff i'm just saying in terms of raw uber dps i can double it with day 3 gear

alright maybe only like 1.5x on day 3 but double damage on day 7 for sure

so i feel like coal can still be good in 1.3 despite the death seal nerf

can probably do uber in 40s but it'll take high investment and it won't be tanky (and it'll take a bugfix xdd)

[lost gale]

almost all of the +flat was coming from rip blood right? and that got cut in half

[charred ridge]

right

[lost gale]

also the mana gain is usually less

[charred ridge]

btw can you explain why ppl dont spec this node

oh is it the cooldown node right before that applies to drain life itself?

[lost gale]

not for sure, but I do know that not all of the nodes in drain life work for the stygian beams

[charred ridge]

ah

some jank

oh well

waste of time thinking about a bugged skill anyway

i'd try to mess with it for a bit if it was working

[lost gale]

I wonder if you could make poison spellDOT drain life work

[charred ridge]

whats the pitch

[lost gale]

well, I think poison spell DOT benefits from poison overload and the poison pen on the poison ailment etc

but if i'm wrong about that then there's no selling point at all tbh

[charred ridge]

what does poison overload do exactly?

but i dont see why it wouldnt benefit from poison pen

does stygian beam get converted to poison?

[umbral oracle]

Up to 400% poison pen at 100 poison stacks.

[lost gale]

"Poison Overload
You have +4% Poison Penetration per stack of poison on the target, up to 100 stack"
no beam doesn't get converted

[charred ridge]

ah

[lost gale]

Poison Penetration is distinct from something like "poison you inflict has +x% penetration" isn't it?

[umbral oracle]

"Stygian Beam" is its own spell afaik. The main point of Coal / Beam is that Coal adds int and Mana scaling.
Coal is a weird item, since it effectively replaces drain life with a new spell.

[lost gale]

there's fissure, wandering spirits & drain life which can all do poison spell DOT rather than ailments

notably two of those are kind of fire & forget

[charred ridge]

a new spell that still benefits from some, but not all of drain life's tree

a bit arbitrary and confusing if you ask me

[lost gale]

think that cooldown is about how often drain life can stun not adding an 8s cooldown to the spell drain life but I'm not sure

[charred ridge]

thats also what i read it as

[lost gale]

but yeah, the selling point of poison spell dot is definitely 400% pen from poison overload

[charred ridge]

it was just the most logical explanation i could come up with, but "node doesn't work" also makes sense

[umbral oracle]

Well, it is part of the Coals description. "Drain life now repeadetly casts Stygian Beam instead of its usual drain effect"

[charred ridge]

you also get an extra 200% pen from AoD so like 600% pen

if you int stack anyway

[lost gale]

I don't see why you couldn't make one of fissure/wandering spirits work with drain life

I guess you go with rip blood for +flat and mana recovery

man fissure kind of sucks if you're looking at the spell dot side of it

drain life is way more damage baseline

[umbral oracle]

And stagger does add CD to drain life itself. So that'd introduce a need for CDR into your build to get 100% uptime.

[lost gale]

oof

with coal you can spam cast drain life and get more beams

can you spam cast (dark shackles obviously) baseline drain life and get more damage?

if not then it's probably just a shit build

[umbral oracle]

You can cast multiple ones to increase the amount of beams you fire, yes

[lost gale]

ah but can you have multiple draining zones going at once

[umbral oracle]

Works without coal too, yes. 1 zone gave 400 dmg ticks without coal, 2 zones for 800.

[lost gale]

okay

maybe there's something there then

[umbral oracle]

Limited range on Drain Life compared to Stygian Beam. So mobile enemies is more of an issue.

[lost gale]

yeah

[lost gale]

even if you pretend 400% pen is just a 4x multi rather than pen it isn't looking great ngl

[umbral oracle]

It isn't. Was doing some tests myself, and Coal just feels so much better. Mana, Int and crit scaling. Actually hits if you want to do DoT through Ailments.

[lost gale]

it's only 360% damage effectiveness/s

I'm not sure it would be good at 720%/s

not an acolyte skill but avalanche does like 4k+ damage effectiveness/s and that skill kind of blows

[umbral oracle]

And using Drain life for utility (Eternal Servitude, Contempt, ward) feels like a waste of skill spec slot compared to the other utility skills you get as a Lich.

[lost gale]

eternal servitude is apparently not particularly reliable

it works with dark shackles but if you use anything that reveals spirits, like the off-hand catalyst with a chance to reveal spirits on kill, then it will break

[south nexus]

you are right, the old lich was all around death seal, the other skills was and are always a bit meh....with warlock the acoltye class has a good moment, but lich suffer a lot of mono dimensional "approach" to build something viable. Flay skill, that it's a good concept and the reason i've returned after 2 years, but it shows how bad are lich skills: you need to cast 3 skills all together (1 from warlock that deal a good amount of damage) to do a build that can compete with other classes and run high contents. You need to have the opportunity to defeat uberroth with your abitual build, not a zhp one with 0 defense dedicated to the fight. And bis gears in all slots with2-3lp (weapons on top) are near impossible to do in ssf or mg, unless you play cof. That said, i continue to play because i'm having fun, and this matters. I can finally reach endgame, defeat uberroth, grind at 1000c, impossible to do with my old poison lich.

[obtuse quest]

poison lich
I fear you weren't even playing the best old lich build.

But yes, Reaper form and death seal are must takes for old lich.

[south nexus]

i've played poison lich in 0.7

so much fun

i've done a mixed RF SR with aura of decay and drain life 😂

[obtuse quest]

Oh you mean the version where poison was broken as all hell

[south nexus]

they've fixed in 0.8 if i remember correctly

passed too much time

i don't know if was broken or not, i haven't the knowledge to test it, but it was supereffective and fun!

[old hull]

Yeah, poison was very bustedly strong (relative to the time). It got mechanically nerfed and has been pretty meh ever since, with just a few outliers making it viable in spite of that.

[tiny dirge]

hi i have a reliq nest 2 LP which affix besides mana should i try slam?

[charred ridge]

for mana flay?

link your planner

[tiny dirge]

im trying to get all the items first so i can start the character hehe

[charred ridge]

the best setup would have spell crit on 2lp

it's optimal for chaos bolts, not for marrow shards

but marrow shards might be slowly getting bugfixed xdd

[obtuse fossil]

So is Abom still sacrificing itself?

[obtuse fossil]

Just tested...still happening.

[craggy flax]

yup still happening here too

[stuck maple]

Running mana flay and was wondering if 1lp blood mage with 4% crit is better or 2lp with 2% crit?

[charred ridge]

exalted gloves

[vapid kindle]

useable with flay?

[lost cliff]

guys i really need help i stopped playing first leauge becase i switched build i need to talk some vc

[gritty cargo]

low rolled / useless rolled

its good to keep in stash for the next 2lp one that rolls in useless

[gritty cargo]

im full i had dinner but im still hungry and want desert i need tobtalk some vc

[lost cliff]

in

now

[stuck maple]

Mana lich here. Was wondering between woven flesh and the chest from Aberroth which was better?

[pearl snow]

Depends on your priorities / gear for crit avoid & resistances

Lots of people use Core of the Mountain too

[stuck maple]

hmm. Didn't even think of that one tbh.

[eternal ember]

does golems amalgam primalist stack if i also have twined golem and dread shade if i make it so i cant have more then one if i have multple shades would the +10 necrotic damage and the +60% necrotic damage stack on all the minions per shade i have?

[vapid kindle]

extremely difficult to overcap enough for portent to be worth it

i'm primarily using pale ox and occasionally swapping to valeroot for a smidge more damage on bosses

[stuck maple]

so woven>portent then? unless you have giga gear?

[little wigeon]

Core of mt plus red rings for mapping. Valeroot plus julra rings for bossing

[vapid kindle]

even if you have giga gear it's like you're gonna have to give up mana idols to hit 115 allres which is no bueno

[cosmic blade]

what about this for mapping? with mana and heath roll?

[vapid kindle]

good especially if you don't go marrow shards. plus way easier to get a good 2lp than core

[lost cliff]

guys i really need help i stopped playing first leauge becase i switched build i need to talk some vc and help me out

[gritty cargo]

just play ghostflame

[pearl snow]

In what way? Theres plenty of builds out there

[lost cliff]

I was havoc harvest to mana

[pearl snow]

So you switched to mana flay or?

[obtuse quest]

Shade effects don’t stack.

Aura effects don’t stack.

[lost cliff]

Y

guys i really need help i stopped playing first leauge becase i switched build i need to talk some vc and help me out

[lost gale]

if you have dread shade with aura buffs on minion A and then spec into the no aura shade stuff and put that on minion B then minion B will get double buffed while in the radius of minion A's dread shade aura by the things that apply to the targeted minion and minions in the aura

saw someone demonstrating that with poison rogues before

[serene lichen]

Does anyone know with some certainty if the frenzy berserker belt is working any more as intended compared to first week

[lost cliff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QW41yq3B idk how to get mana rolls

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (79) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,775, Regen: 19.68/s
▸ Mana: 120.96, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 106%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 11 Dex / 53 Int / 7 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 40% / 3% / 8% / 21% / 58% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 532
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (213)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,229)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Harvest

[mint sluice]

you might wanna read this
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/flay-mana-lich-guide

[lost cliff]

yeah but idk how i get the mana rolls and slam them am really new

[mint sluice]

you sure you complete reading the guide?

it says use harvest to gain mana

[lost cliff]

i mean i only got like 140 mana

[mint sluice]

oh man you don't have any mana affix on your items

[lost cliff]

yeah idk how i get that or target farm them

[mint sluice]

you see this?

[lost cliff]

yeah

[mint sluice]

how did you make your traitor tongue?

[lost cliff]

can we hop on a vc real quick

[mint sluice]

I mean if you don't have legendary items then just use exalted ones first

[lost cliff]

am not good at explaing so thast why i wanna vc

[mint sluice]

well I don't have the mic so can't talk to nobody 🤣 🤣 🤣

[lost cliff]

u can i type i talk

[mint sluice]

ok

so where to go now?

[lost cliff]

dm

[mint sluice]

never heard a word 😂

[lost cliff]

really ?

[mint sluice]

yeah I just saw you were livestreaming and didn't hear anything

[lost cliff]

oh i didnt know that sorry i wann call u back

[mint sluice]

I got my old headphone plugged in so I think I can talk rn

[little wigeon]

thats good too for the movement speed and health. i just prefer core of the mt for the all attributes to hit red ring threshold

[hollow flint]

Still completely bugged

I test after every patch hoping that they just forgot it in the changelog

[green cedar]

Summon Volatile Zombie bone pact passive that spawn Marrow Shards. Do the Marrow Shards scale with player or minion damage is spawned this way?

[pearl snow]

Pretty sure it scales with player stats

[obtuse quest]

Player. "You have a chance to cast Marrow Shards"

[obtuse quest]

Considering it's been untouched for ages....

[fervent flicker]

cool, i wont expose it. let me have fun for a while XD

[obtuse quest]

It's been known since this major patch

Not much use for it other than sacrifice usage.

[fervent flicker]

https://youtu.be/epXDcJDIBeg?si=wyq5940ffpdN8B8e
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qqr0RK3B

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 95

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (54) / Lich (13) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,168, Regen: 21.3/s
▸ Mana: 247.98, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 494%, Regen: 189/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 15 Dex / 140 Int / 2 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 97% / 106% / 100% / 174% / 117% / 384% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 434
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (101)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,116)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 15%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Sacrifice / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts / Summon Volatile Zombie

[fervent flicker]

my +200 minion necro. I know you guys can make it even better than me

[mint sluice]

oh man I think we gotta buy a new VGA every time play that build 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[lost gale]

huh, looks like you're not actually using chaos bolts?

[fervent flicker]

i changed the dread shade to chaos bolt because they died too quickly

too much thing to do, spamming rip blood for mana/ check if dread shade still aplied. sometimes the shade wont last more than a sec after multiple cast

[lost cliff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMj1pXPo

Hey guys i got these items but idk something feels weird idk what am doin wrong could anyone help

[vapid kindle]

that’s not the correct link that just links to an empty planner. you need to hit save & share to get the right link

[lost cliff]

just did that

should i use manafused shattered worlds ?

[vapid kindle]

this is looking better than the last one you sent, you’re missing a lot of mana and damage from slams and idols.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Noobzor/character/Vellexiaa

obviously you’re very far from stuff like double t7 slams but this is a good setup to aim for, much tankier than the maxroll version

[lost cliff]

@random dew

[mint sluice]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[green cedar]

anyone here know, the Skeleton Resummon node for the necro and summon skeletons, do its only resommun 1 every 3 sec. or if i have 100% in the it resummon all skeletons 3 sec after they died?

[pearl snow]

It should just be 3 seconds after a death to roll the resummon chance. So in theory you have 3 and they all die in the same game tick then youd get 3 more 3 seconds later.

I dont see anyone mentioning it having a cap or ICD

[old hull]

Each skeleton rolls the revive chance on its own death and then ticks its own 3 sec timer

[neat wave]

Is flat necro spell dmg or crit multi more important for mana flau

[pearl snow]

most likely the flat dmg

you talking weapons?

[serene lichen]

thanks man, and what a damn shame

[maiden oak]

flay nerf is real lol.

[raven rock]

Has anyone done a flay build not using reaper form? Is that even viable?

[pearl snow]

yeah it would still be viable just weaker

you get attack speed and crit and flat dmg in that form

[raven rock]

Ok so that’s the best way to scale it? What do you do for defensive you think? Ward?

[pearl snow]

the current meta is really just splitting your health via corrupted form passive and having the leech to not die to DoTs and use ward to take any hits directly.
Core of the Mountain is popular, so is Valeroot because mana. Seed helm for further DR via dmg taken as mana

im omitting a lot of info but theres plenty of planners out there already

[obtuse quest]

Losing a good chunk of buffs and losing a 2nd health bar is quite a bit

Depending on your corruption level, the difference can be night and day

[raven rock]

Yeah reaper form makes me not want to play the class but I do enjoy the flay ability

I wonder if I can make it work, obvi will not be taking it to uber Abby, but having a badass dagger acolyte would be fun with flay, I just really dislike the visual and playstyle of the reaper form

[obtuse quest]

Your power ceiling will be.. pretty low actually

[pearl snow]

300 is prob doable

[raven rock]

For sure

[obtuse quest]

Probablty still enough for aberroth though.

[pearl snow]

Crit is gunna be a problem

[raven rock]

For sure, I’ll give it a chance, if it is that bad will just go back to rogue

Ty for the info

There is no mtx or anything to keep the visual for acolyte when doing reaper form right? I’m seeing people can perma sustain it, but I also really dislike in maps when you don’t have a mob pack and then you lose your form after running around a bit

[obtuse quest]

Nope.

No MTX

[hollow flint]

I disliked reaper form aswell until I just played with it. Its really not that bad, you just press a button every couple of monos.

[hollow flint]

And don’t underestimate the armor. I have 16k armor in reaper form because of the armor from int while I only have 9k ish without reaper

[brave hearth]

What effect does + minion melee skills have on abomination?

[obtuse quest]

Abom gets more skill points.

[brave hearth]

Just tested it with ox armor and doesn't look like it gives more skills actually

[grand lily]

Been playing Harvest Flay Lich and the damage is solid but i am just dying way too much. I dont have Mountain of the ox armor yet cant down that T4 boss yet but any suggestions on how to make the build more tanky?

[lost gale]

I think ox says strength minions not melee minions doesn't it?

abom doesn't scale with strength, it isn't a strength minion

[brave hearth]

Yeah makes sense

Been playing around with my build a ton but finally can kill Uber

First time was luck on an int build and eternal arrow now doing it with strength using only double strike

[south nexus]

armor, life, leech, capped endurance, pick up the woven flesh chest for 100% crit avoidance, ...i suggest you to switch to low life, if you haven't done yet....blood mage gloves can help you against rares and bosses.

[cosmic blade]

has anyone defeated uber with a mana flay? ive tried over 100 times and i think it's bullshit. ive coppied some of the top builds and still cant even get him down past 60% hp without getting 1 shot.

[steady spade]

thats skill issue

you need to dodge stuff, not tanking

btw may post your profile here so people can check it and give advice?

[cosmic blade]

most likely skill issue but ive watched countless vids and read everything studdied the pattern

still cant get it aha

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/tektik/character/dream

[steady spade]

personally i suggest swapping 2 RR for 2 julra

less dps but reducing 1hko stuff

[south nexus]

you fight against the arena, not the boss itself😂 however, with that gears you can defeat him, just dodge 1shot things like slams and ground destruction...or like khan said, switch julra's rings with 2rr or 1 rr+ 1 font of the erased, this ring gives you ward while attack uberroth, %life, %mana and random affixes like res or spell damage if you're lucky enough!

[scenic igloo]

Also won't heart be better for tankiness? Or buy shattered worlds if MG. And use t8 rune dagger

[cosmic blade]

I got 2 red rings too which I swap between

[mint sluice]

phantom grip is just fine

[cosmic blade]

I got a feeling half you people replying have no idea 😅 I've tested like 3 different builds. which include phantom grips, mana stacking, stardiles. t8 rune daggers, different relics. they're all much of a muchness. think it just comes down to skill

[mint sluice]

as long as it's strong enough 😂

[cosmic blade]

Yeah need to find what works, ill keep switching and see how I go, can only get more practice.

[mint sluice]

well I've been following the guide on maxroll since new season released and it's going pretty well to me

here's the guide https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/2ai4s0qh#2

[cosmic blade]

what corruption you at? defeated uber abberoth yet?

[mint sluice]

I'm at 500 corruption rn

[cosmic blade]

okay, I'm on 1000 felt like volcas maxroll version sort of failed after 600

[mint sluice]

uberroth to flay lich is like a piece of cake 🤣

[cosmic blade]

so that's why I switched

[mint sluice]

I like that he put the T8 dagger on the table

[molten bramble]

You basically have no defenses chest and helm have no %hp. Using core of the mountain, pale ox can provide more defense with 2x red rings or a well rolled font of the erased. Also there is a bug and you are not counted as low life. All those low life bonuses you are not getting.

Also using brewmaster belt is solid.

[void sorrel]

Ok but what about necro? I can’t find a good build

[little wigeon]

Abomination is the go to necro build

[void sorrel]

Oh great

[rich stag]

Who would have guessed XD

[brisk elk]

For "bone curse applies decrepify/penance/acid skin" from pearls of swine, does more damage from the bone curse tree scale the damage of the curses?

Usually "more damage" nodes in a tree apply to ailments inflicted by the skill, but I dont know if that's the case here

[pearl snow]

I don’t think so. Bone curse more dmg nodes are generally generic in creases to whenever it does dmg aka whenever the cursed mob is hit. So I don’t think it would apply to an extra curse inflicted. At the very least I haven’t seen any increases in dmg numbers when doing testing for things without any gear but the swine on

Should be easy to test and verify in game on your end

[old hull]

No

[sand knot]

if you have multiple 'summon a new minion on minion death' types of effects, can they all proc at the same time?

[old hull]

Yeah, if they are all applicable to the minion that died

[sand knot]

aight cool

I wanna see if I can make an infinite oblation necro

[steady spade]

what build you guys use before getting good amount of mana for Flay Mana Lich?

[brisk elk]

Rip blood marrow shards or melee flay/harvest

[steady spade]

thanks

[daring holly]

has anyone done a dot focused golem build ?

[rich stag]

Yeah, it’s pretty bad depending on what your goals are.

Don’t expect to kill Abberoth with it

If you just want to have fun and don’t cate about pushing high corruption though then it’s fun.

[daring holly]

weird cuz they are quite many multipliers

vitality stacking (passive)/ decrepify (amulet)/ aura of decay/ dread shade with lich scorn

[upbeat kraken]

Anyone care to guide me to a warlock build?

[mint sluice]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5qRNw7B
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/bf8vr0q6#1
I have 2 planners for 2 different builds here

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (32) / Warlock (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,079, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 245.5, Regen: 12.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 127%, Regen: 179/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 8 Dex / 43 Int / 2 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 364% / 134% / 164% / 94% / 52% / 221% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 416
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,027)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[pearl snow]

Flame Whip can kill Uber,
Witchfire is great for Monolith clearing.
Profane Veil can be pretty good for all content but I don’t think it can do Uber

Generic DoT lock for Chaos Bolts can do 300 - 500 cr easily

[upbeat kraken]

ty! im doing the ficher build now im lvl 26 having a blast

ill change it up some when i get close to end game

[brave hearth]

Up to 240 mil crits on abom now on dummy. Kind of a glass cannon but with some successful slams can probably get to 45 sec uberroth kills

Regular aberroth dies in like 5 seconds

[neat wave]

Mana flay lich... should I have t8 flat nec dmg or t8 critical multi on my dagger for max dmg?

[molten bramble]

neither use primordial relic

[mint sluice]

nec dmg is just fine

[neat wave]

Thx for input 👍

[tender ridge]

flamewhip can stun uber which is kinda crazy

[pearl snow]

<@&1161418687471956101> The usual

[mint sluice]

flay mana lich this season is something incredible,btw am I hallucinating or this void rift look like a purple buttock 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[obtuse quest]

You looked at too many anuses.

💀

[south nexus]

like Bwz said, if you want min maxing the build and bring out the full potential of the build, use primordial relic and stack mana as you can (gears and idols), Your damage comes from chaos bolts and the deadly pot passive in flay skilltree. Destroy everything with the mana power! Once you get 2.5k mana uberroth become a joke. Who needs skill once you have MANA!

[fallen rose]

How much does speccing into marrow shards increase flat lich’s damage? Seems like most of the damage comes from chaos bolt right?

[upper wedge]

Do we have a tooltip to show the numerical values (damage, HP, crit chance, etc) of our minions?
Pressing Alt only shows the % gained by Intelligence and levels.

[obtuse quest]

No

Only way to truly find out is pen and paper.

[upper wedge]

Thank you 🙂

[neat wave]

Hahaha good to know i will start stacking asap... right around 800 right now but just getting into min maxing

[little wigeon]

Marrow shards is still a decent chunk. It also receives the spell dmg from mana multi like chaos bolt. It's the best option for last skill since you can get a lot of value out of unspecced death seal

[magic star]

New to lich, death seal does nothing when I’m at max health or does it help since lich caps my health at 50%?

[little wigeon]

wdym does nothing? death seal delays dmg so you dont get 1 shot

[north lance]

What is the priority range of unique affixes on Executioner's Tithe?

[little wigeon]

4% crit chance and 30% mana when hitting boss/rare. oh and spirit battery of course 4%

[north lance]

really pathetic

[charred ridge]

4% spirit battery mandatory

4% crit pref not mandatory

mana when hitting rares will affect your QoL

[pearl snow]

If you have corrupted form it still acts as if you sealed at 50% hp. Obviously sealing at low health gives more benefits than high health but its still a powerful defensive button

[charred ridge]

sealing at 33% hp is less ehp than sealing at 50%

[north lance]

Just got it today from Nemesis, and I'm looking for a new build to play

[charred ridge]

gl farming 3lp tithe

1 in 124,560 axes np

[north lance]

LP3: 1 in 6,920 and rare drop omg

[charred ridge]

and 4% spirit battery roll is mandatory

see u in 1.4

[north lance]

This season dies too fast

[charred ridge]

this season was really cool for 3 days to 1 week

and then it was just kinda lame

[north lance]

I somewhat expected it because their content creation history is usually six months or more

[charred ridge]

idk when endgame will be good

my guess is 2 years from now

maybe

[lost gale]

saw This patch addresses skill bugs, controller and WASD issues, and more. and fooled myself into thinking an abomination sacrifice fix was in the offing 🙁

[north lance]

I've been playing for over a week and have already experienced sacrificing two Dino

I had to try really hard to fight off sleepiness while playing Abom

[vapid kindle]

if you use infernal shade it makes it a lot smoother to play

[brave hearth]

@mighty tundra how did the wraith build end up you ever try Uber?

[mighty tundra]

I got Uber to 50% but I need better gear. Life has gotten in the way a bit though

It's a very fun build

[brave hearth]

Not bad though! Looks fun

[obtuse fossil]

Hey so, your build, you manually recast skellies?

[mighty tundra]

Yes and abom detonates them, turning them into blood wraiths

[obtuse fossil]

That's about the best evidence I've seen for the re-summon + sac being what kills aboms randomly...anyways, you use rip blood for mana?

[brave hearth]

I've done everything there is with standard abom so probably will try something new

[mighty tundra]

Mana and ward yes

The abom does sac himself randomly but it is what it is

[obtuse fossil]

still clearly took a really long time for you to reach 120 in that previous vid

then again...cast speed 🤔

[mighty tundra]

It doesn't take long at all to get all the mana back. It scales with the amount of minions I can hit and the speed of the orbs coming back

It's usually 1 cast and I'm max mana when I have enough wraiths

[obtuse fossil]

I meant how long it takes for you to lose the abom, heh

[mighty tundra]

Oooh yeah

I found if I put 2 or more points in the chain node on sacrifice he dies way more

[obtuse fossil]

but are you also using the passive resummon of skeletons as well? or does that not really mesh well with hard casting them

[mighty tundra]

I have the resummon on the skill tree but not the passives iirc

I can't check right now

[obtuse fossil]

Interesting 🤔
Thanks for taking the time btw

[mighty tundra]

I have it specced into archers and chose eternal arrow for the abom for extra bleeds but honestly idk if it's even going off with all that's going on lol

No problem

It can kill Uber I'm just getting bored of the gear grind. Been playing too many arpgs

[obtuse fossil]

I know when I had him doing it by himself he was firing arrows

I didn't have as much cast speed as I could have too, so that coulda been improved

(for either of us)

[mighty tundra]

Yeah I want t7 attack speed T5/t7 cast speed on julras gloves just to help the abom with casting sac also

[obtuse fossil]

you kindof double dip on effectiveness with those, heh

[mighty tundra]

Honestly the only thing I don't like is there are so many wraiths on screen I couldn't see the line dot that the Uber drops and that nukes 15k ward in an instant lol

[obtuse fossil]

xD

[mint sluice]

there's a wraith guide here https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/wraith-necromancer-guide

[mighty tundra]

That's a different wraith to what I'm playing

I'm spamming the temporary wraiths you get from sacrifice

[mint sluice]

idk but I've seen a lot of necro builds this season but none can beat abom necro up to par

[mighty tundra]

Necro strong

[obtuse fossil]

"It's not about the peformance, it's about sending a message"

[brave hearth]

Yeah I can crit 240 mil with my abom and handle Uber decently with very few successful lp2 slams

My axe has t7/t5 and my rings are are lp2 failed slams, belt is good but that's it

[obtuse fossil]

wtf am I looking at...

[obtuse fossil]

Selling what...something in Last Epoch?

do you...have anything to do with Last epoch?

[obtuse quest]

Why the hell are you talking about that in a game channel.

<@&1161418687471956101>

Idk why you're posting about real life stuff in a game server, in a channel meant to be talking about a specific class of the game.

Success that has nothing to do with the game in a channel made for a specific class.

[molten bramble]

I think the point he is making is that this is not the place for those kind of posts

[obtuse fossil]

agreed

[obtuse quest]

#📚┃off-topic exists for a reason.

[green pelican]

Whatever this is, it's not appropriate for Acolyte channel. Take a break.

[north lance]

something wrong with my filter?

[vapid kindle]

i'm told there's bugs with filtering for roll ranges on certian uniques

[north lance]

Hope me luck

[mint sluice]

you better be luck or it sucks 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[north lance]

5 times today but only 1 with 4% spirit battery

[north lance]

5 times with dual t7 and failed all

[void steppe]

Man i was playing wraithlord and constantly getting targeted by enemies (and dive bomb one shot by rift beasts) even with the dread shade taunt skillpoint. I rage quit that build 😂

And I'm still on regular monoliths (lv 90) after main story with 3.4k ward (low life)

Going back to mass necro minions. How far can they push?

[obtuse quest]

If you can't push well with wraithlord, mass minions will do worse.

They can probably beat abberoth, but won't go too far further then that.

[feral parcel]

Does Harvest have a base freeze rate when converted to cold? Or do I have to rely on Bone Curse to freeze?

[obtuse quest]

If it doesn't say so, there's none.

[void steppe]

Main issue was surprise attacks. I could run around enemies, but when stuff teleports out of existence and then divebombs me, then it was frustrating. Especially when wraithlord was supposed to pull aggro away from me

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, that same thing will most likely happen with mass minions, since they'll hold even less aggro.

[void steppe]

Maybe I can try not limiting shades to 2? So wraithlord summons more?

[obtuse quest]

It depends if you want wraithlord to be the main dps or the wraiths themselves

[void steppe]

Necromancer really underpowered huh 😞

[north lance]

I can completely stand still and sleep while my Abom clears both rare mobs and bosses at 2k2 corruption with a strength stack build without needing to dodge

I only played Abom for a short time this season, and it’s really powerful, but I didn’t find any joy in playing it

[obtuse quest]

Well, considering abom can eat uberroth for breakfast, not really.

[rich stag]

Minion army builds on Necro really struggle with even regular Abby so yeah, anything past that isn’t likely to happen.

Wraithlord and Abom are much, much better for pushing and for bossing @void steppe

[swift forge]

I have to ask. Are the devs even aware of corrupted form's bug since season start? I have seen so many skill fixes and yet nothing for something that would boost our damage massively

[hollow flint]

They dont even fix the new uniques of this season, im not sure where their bug fix priority is

[charred ridge]

what are you slamming

[north lance]

unlucky missed 5 times 😄

[charred ridge]

i think aspd is the worst 2nd roll option but i guess you want it for maps

it makes your mapping worse imo

[north lance]

I'll slam dual t7 weapons to use temporarily before starting to farm a new character. I absolutely don't like going to massage for those 2k mobs

[charred ridge]

huh?

massage for 2k mobs what?

[north lance]

I prefer to quickly jump to the familiar 2k milestone instead of grinding at low corruption

[wild sequoia]

at what corruption do people run uber boss?

[old hull]

500 at least, aside from that it doesn't matter

[north lance]

I have some specific items to equip her with, like the gloves I failed this afternoon

[wild sequoia]

the hard version?

[old hull]

Corruption does not affect/scale the fight

It's just a requirement to place it

[charred ridge]

you'll have like half the ehp if you dont use immortal vise but you do you

[north lance]

I burned through all my 2lp Vise a few days ago

[wild sequoia]

Oh, I see.
My mistake.
At what corruption level can people confront ably run hard uber boss?

[north lance]

Mana and AS, right?

[charred ridge]

yeah

as long as u have shred somewhere else

[north lance]

I have over 20 3lp Tongue, so I’ll probably manage to hit one

Next season, this dagger will probably get add more LLP or be nerfed a bit 😆

My Warpath VK character has a dual t7 Vise with those affixes and a nice roll. I'll slam another one for him

[north lance]

Last season, the Lich Stygian Coal made me extremely exhausted

[void steppe]

maybe i should start a new character

mage seems fun (my first choice in any rpg is a necromancer, then a mage)

[rose flax]

Sup guys im new here , ive played few thousands of hours in poe 1 , what should i do for a beginner in this game ? Currently at lvl 25

[unkempt saddle]

Welcome, traveler!
Well, not much to say other than have a lot of fun and CoF (Circle of Fortune faction unlocked in chapter 9) basically boosts loot and allows easy target farming for a nice self found experience
Also don‘t sell random items to vendors, that’s a waste of time.
And get familiar with crafting - it’s really good 🙂
Making your own loot filter can be fun

[upper wedge]

You're not forced to trade in poe

[unkempt saddle]

The point is: ssf experience in LE is really nice

[upper wedge]

Having done SSF in both, I actually think PoE has the better SSF experience

High tier items can be made completely deterministic with Omens and Essences in PoE 2.
In LE, not only are your drops completely RNG reliant (and good Exalteds very hard to get), you also likely will get screwed at the last step when making your Legendary with <4 LP.

And when crafting low tier stuff, you are at the mercy of FP

[brave hearth]

Yeah SSF Uber was very difficult for me. And my gear still kinda sucks

[charred ridge]

that's not really related to SSF though it's just an LE thing

MG will have the exact same issue

what you're saying is that your poe experience is better than your LE experience (in terms of gear progression anyway)

but if you compare the poe SSF experience relative to trade, and the LE CoF experience relative to MG, i mean the advantage that trade gives you in poe is immensely superior to that of MG, by orders of magnitude

[upper wedge]

I meant what I said, this is not what I said

[charred ridge]

i mean you'll have to define SSF experience then

[upper wedge]

For someone who knows how the crafting system works, trade in PoE 2 offers no significant advantage other than a shortcut to getting Omens faster.

You can make BiS gear completely deterministic.

[charred ridge]

and how long does it take you to deck yourself out in 6x T1 mods in SSF vs trade?

but regardless a lot of ppl agree that "getting screwed on your sanctum slam" as you put it feels terrible and the only way it's gonna change is if people give a ton of feedback so i'd encourage you to put that in the feedback forums

[upper wedge]

I don't play trade, so I can't tell you.
How quickly I can make BiS gear with guaranteed modifiers with guaranteed tiers solely depends on how many Rituals I need to get my Omens.

The SSF vs trade advantage would be exponentially bigger for me in LE vs PoE 2

LE high tier crafting is just a lottery, you can't "know how to craft" your way to good gear

[charred ridge]

considering you don't play trade i don't think it's fair that you make this assumption

and i'm not gonna debate you on poe stuff because i'm not an expert

however i've put my time in LE and i can safely say that you are completely wrong with your last message

[upper wedge]

I'm happy to be convinced otherwise

[fallen rose]

I mean I think this is an expectations thing. You can get your bis with LP on it very quickly for most builds. If you want multi lp bis then yes there is more rng but that’s a design decision for replayability

[charred ridge]

you can check out frozensentinel's video on imprinting and crafting double T7 legendaries

i'm not gonna pretend that there is no RNG involved but afaik there is RNG involved in poe2 crafting as well it's just that the amount of RNG isn't so high that you can't just bruteforce through it

LE is the same

you do have to hit a 1 in 3 slam at the sanctum there is no way around that

[upper wedge]

The only RNG involved when I make BiS gear in PoE 2 SSF is having the blue base with the starting modifiers.

The rest is deterministic.

[charred ridge]

so when you go and do your abyss shit, you are 100% of the time going to get the t1 mod you want first try?

[upper wedge]

You're misunderstanding

[charred ridge]

no i'm understanding what you're saying but i'm trying to make a parallel with LE crafting

you're only calling it deterministic because the impact of RNG is low enough that you can try again until you hit what you want, and it's pretty much guaranteed to happen

LE is the same if you know how to craft

the main thing about LE is that there is such a thing as expectations to be set, if your idea of BiS is a 2LP red ring then you will be disappointed yes

but then again i don't think you should be expecting to hit 100% adorned in poe2 SSF

so it goes both ways

[upper wedge]

Hang on, I'm writing a full explanation lol

[rigid wyvern]

Expectations rising faster than our ability to fill them has been one of the bigger issues I've noticed in LE of late

I remember getting asked why there were no 3 lp blood roosts on the market in MG and how they can't finish their bleed falconer build (before the nerf) and I went and looked at the odds

[upper wedge]

No idea why it got blocked

That's what I mean by "knowing how to craft guarantees you BiS gear"

[charred ridge]

yeah i think we should first define what good/BiS gear is in LE, because some 3LPs are, in fact, completely unrealistic

[upper wedge]

The only influence you have in LE is imprinting an item to increase the same base dropping by what seems to be whatever percent.

[charred ridge]

but see this is where i already don't agree with you that poe2 crafting is "100% deterministic"

you say guaranteed T2+

what if i want t1

i agree that it's very deterministic and you can bruteforce it

[upper wedge]

Then you're focusing on the wrong things. There are modifiers where T1 matters and modifiers where it's irrelevant.

[charred ridge]

but if you want a T1 mod you have to take a 1 in 3

in LE when you slam an item you have to take a 1 in 3

what's the difference?

[upper wedge]

For +5 Chaos Level it has to be T1

For resistances, tier 3~1 is fine, you'll overcap anyway

[charred ridge]

but you realize that you're saying "poe2 is deterministic, you are just focusing on the wrong things, T1 is irrelevant", basically my expectations are too high

you realize i can say the exact same thing about LE

[rigid wyvern]

This is partly EHG's fault. We should have the lp math ingame. I shouldn't have to go to a 3rd party tool to learn the math or the lp level. There are items with drastically different lpls that you wouldn't know till you went and looked

[upper wedge]

how is this even remotely comparable

[charred ridge]

i wrote a google doc with the help of a dataminer on imprints btw

i'm not sure you realize how strong the imprint system is

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BevLkVP3qn0JB2by7bpon_VZUQyjt1dJNlTfcGJ0xHI/edit?usp=sharing

you can read it here

[upper wedge]

let me check

[charred ridge]

i don't really think that would help so much, some omega sweats keep telling me that 3LP 777 boots are super realistic (the 70 LPL ones), for me i'm done with the league way before i slam that

[upper wedge]

Honestly, and this will be unpopular, I take huge issue with the existence of random FP and LP

[charred ridge]

a lot of people just look at what other people have farmed and assume it's also realistic for them

[charred ridge]

i don't mind it but i completely respect this take

i think that they can improve the systems, the fact that they exist is completely fine imo

[upper wedge]

Let me rephrase, I don't mind LP, I mind that you can only choose 1 affix from Exalted

[charred ridge]

i agree with this entirely

#1210288709543403520 message

this is one take i had about the LP system on the suggestions forum

and this is why i think you should keep sending feedback either in suggestions or feedback channel or both

[upper wedge]

Oddly it seems like getting a perfect one is easier than getting an okay one.

[charred ridge]

to give you my own perspective on the topic, this is the character i've farmed in about 10 days of CoF: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPn9OlWQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,724, Regen: 26/s
▸ Mana: 2,181.2, Regen: 22.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 231%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 39 Str / 16 Dex / 103 Int / 16 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 75% / 75% / 80% / 80% / 151% / 127%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 2,242
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (83)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,036)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Harvest

[upper wedge]

SCF?

[charred ridge]

wait thats the wrong planner

yes this is CoF so necessarily SCF (i dont play multiplayer)

[upper wedge]

I'm not familiar enough with high tier gear in LE so I can't really tell how gear or not great it is

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bg2O1yvQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,057, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 2,358.64, Regen: 21.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 223%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 6 Dex / 99 Int / 6 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 3% / 3% / 3% / 8% / 8% / 55% / 15%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 730
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (24)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,564)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Reaper Form / Harvest

[charred ridge]

that's the one

i mean it's what i'd call "BiS within reason"

[pearl snow]

still insane gear

[upper wedge]

I've been too busy playing characters until monoliths and then making new ones because I have other build ideas lol

[charred ridge]

and you can "deterministically" get this gear, it's just that it takes a 1 in 3 roll at the sanctum to hit any 2lp and yes it feels bad to miss it

but you can farm as many attempts as it takes and on average it'll take 3 attempts so it's not terrible

[upper wedge]

I think the hardest part is exalts

[charred ridge]

i think you're just not going deep enough into the endgame farm if you think exalts are hard

[upper wedge]

Potentially true

[pearl snow]

isnt double t7 setup technically hard too though

since you have to get T7s of the affixs you dont want to imprint or whatever

[charred ridge]

i mean idk i'd honestly like Lilith to tell me if they are trying to get t7t7 2lp items or like t7t5

i still don't know what they think is hard

i don't really think anything is hard (at least below triple t7 items) i think it's unfun

which is completely different

[upper wedge]

the hard part is that from my limited experience, the modifiers on an exalted item are completely random, and you will want it to have 3 or 4 good modifiers with good tiers (and also the right modifier T7) before taking it to the sanctum

[charred ridge]

yeah i just think you have way more experience in poe than LE and you are comparing the two games on completely different levels

[upper wedge]

the uniques I can keep taking to nemesis / turtle / gauntet of strife, which is RNG too, but at least I know what to do with it

exalts Id just keep killing stuff and hope something good drops

[pearl snow]

Yeah poe crafting is infinitely more determinisitic

[upper wedge]

^

[pearl snow]

but thats mainly due to the FP system

[charred ridge]

it's rare for people to actually craft items with 4 good modifiers before taking them to the sanctum

you just take 2 good mods and roll the 1 in 3, if you miss, you go next

[upper wedge]

and then you use a unique with 3 LP and get screwed and restart from 0

[pearl snow]

how dare you call me out for my quad T5 sanctum runs

lol

[charred ridge]

people will only craft 4 good mods if the unique base is actually rare

like you're not realistically getting another one this season

[upper wedge]

examples?

[pearl snow]

Yeah, I think it is a bit awkward though for the "best" way to get your desired T7s is by imprinting a random item with T1empty/T7T7 where the T1 and empty are your desired slots

but then again thats just players being players

[charred ridge]

well we had a friend actually get a 2lp red ring a few days ago

[pearl snow]

^ yeah 2lp RR is nuts

[pearl snow]

I still havent gotten 1 in 3 leagues of playing a bunch

[charred ridge]

you would craft 4 good mods for this

[upper wedge]

"red ring is rare" is literally the first thing I learned about LE before even booting it for the first time 😆

[pearl snow]

its like dropping a mageblood lol

[charred ridge]

there are a lot of items whose upperbound is realistically 2LP

like world splitter, executioner's tithe, null portent, seed of ekkidrasil, etc

pretty much most items in the game have an upperbound of 2LP

if you happen to get extremely lucky and get a 3LP you would probably craft 4 good mods

[upper wedge]

I was aiming for 2 LP as well on all uniques

[pearl snow]

that 1/100 ish range

[charred ridge]

before slamming it

i mean i'll give you a clear example, which illustrates why i posted the suggestion that i posted above

this is my body armor

i do have a 3LP in my stash

[upper wedge]

I just personally find it very "bullshitty" when after going through everything and finding a 3 LP + "decent enough" Exalt, you can still get screwed over in the sanctum

[charred ridge]

ideally you'd craft 4 good mods to slam the 3LP, then you have a 2 in 3 chance to hit your T7 mod, and then the 3rd mod is good regardless

but yeah it does take way too much effort to craft such an exalted item, only to have a 1 in 3 chance to brick it and be useless because it missed the t7 mod

[vapid kindle]

8 movespeed 5 AA 20 allres too sheesh

[charred ridge]

and that's why that 3LP is in my stash, unslammed, while i've quit the season 3 weeks ago already

the reality of LE is that 2LP is best in slot

[upper wedge]

Then I don't understand why you disagreed with my assessment eariler

[charred ridge]

because 3LP is not best in slot

3LP is unrealistic

it doesn't exist

it's a miracle that it's even in my stash

2LP double t7 is the equivalent of your 6x T1 mod in poe2

3LP would be the equivalent of vaaling your mirror item and getting exactly what you want

[magic star]

3lp just gives you a higher chance to get the 2 affixes you want

[upper wedge]

No, rolling 90% instead of 88% on your 20~90% modifier is

[charred ridge]

in LE?

na

[upper wedge]

basically

T1 in PoE in most cases is whatever

[charred ridge]

i mean so is rolling 90% instead of 88%

[upper wedge]

And for the important cases, you can guarantee T1

[upper wedge]

yes, exactly, that's my point

PoE 2 also has tiered Orbs, Perfect Orbs of Transmutation / Augmentation guarantee level 70+ for your modifiers

in case of % energy shield, for example, it is a guaranteed T1

so when it matters, you can guarantee the T1

[charred ridge]

i mean idk arguably you can guarantee 1 affix that matters at the sanctum

[upper wedge]

but there is a difference between getting 23 Spell Damage instead of 25 on my Transcriber's Graver, or getting a completely trash modifier

[charred ridge]

2lp on that sword is so insanely common that

idk if this is a real situation that you're complaining about

or if you just randomly tried to come up with a fictionary example

[upper wedge]

I was frustrated after bricking 5 times at sanctum the other day, so personal example

[charred ridge]

like the whole thing about LE is that you'll brick your sword but you can bruteforce your way through it

[upper wedge]

how do you bruteforce your sanctum to give you the 1/3

[charred ridge]

you slam a whole bunch of items and eventually hit it because it's an incredibly common item and exalts are also incredibly common

i can farm you a successful slam of this item in 15 minutes

[upper wedge]

by finding another exalted with 2 or more relevant T7? ok see you in 2026

[charred ridge]

like trust me i understand where you're coming from

before 1.2 you couldn't even guarantee any affix at all

i failed 25 slams in a row

[vapid kindle]

once you have 2t7 bases another 2t7 even is not that hard to get

[charred ridge]

like 17-18 of them were orian's eye

i calculated the odds of it happening and it was like idk

1 in 25k bad luck odds or something

i was absolutely pssed

[upper wedge]

Yes, and when you get the decent base in PoE2, you fail 0, because the craft is deterministic

[charred ridge]

but 99% of the time you can bruteforce your items if they're realistic within a day

[upper wedge]

that's what I meant earlier

[vapid kindle]

i’ll never forget all the times i whiffed the t7 on a lp3

[charred ridge]

yeah but i dont think you realize how extreme it is to fail 25 orian's eye

vs failing 5 swords

do you have a level 100 character in LE

[upper wedge]

But doesn't that support my statement that crafting high end gear in LE in SSF is much harder than in PoE?

[charred ridge]

no because your poe standards are lower than your LE standards

[upper wedge]

That's not true

[charred ridge]

the LE equivalent of your poe standard is slamming a t7t5 sword

not a t7t7 sword

[upper wedge]

my LE standards are lower

[charred ridge]

and you can slam a t7t5 sword in 15 minutes

[upper wedge]

if you get the exalt

[charred ridge]

t7t7 might take you a day if you're unlucky (like probably 2 hours on average)

[upper wedge]

eventually

[charred ridge]

no, not IF you get the exalt

that's why i'm asking if you even have a level 100 in LE

you don't realize just how common an exalt is

single t7 exalts don't even show up on my filter

on day 3 of the season

[vapid kindle]

you can get a t7t5 exalt in like 15 minutes yeah

[charred ridge]

that's how common they are

[upper wedge]

hmm

[charred ridge]

nah the 15 minutes are for rolling prophecies to get 2lp swords

the t7t5 that takes 5 seconds of looking at my stash

take a random item craft what i want and havoc

literally

[vapid kindle]

well, assuming you don’t have the stash for that

[upper wedge]

I'm leveling my Mage right now, I'll see how long it'll take me to get decent exalts for my items.

[vapid kindle]

which it doesn’t sound like lilith does

[charred ridge]

the reality is that it'd take you 2 minutes because you'd have to go back to your loot filter and make t7s show up

[charred ridge]

the thing is i don't trust your methods

you talk about all this determinism in poe but i don't think you know how to be efficient in LE

that's why i'm saying you are comparing poe to LE on different levels

your poe knowledge is way higher than your LE knowledge

and i mean it respectfully

[upper wedge]

that's true, I'm literally very new to LE. I've noted some strategies and echo patterns and methods to reroll mods and LP, but my experience is very limited

Also I assume all of this is speaking with high Corruption, and I reached Empowered Monoliths on my Paladin and started an Alt 🤷‍♀️

[charred ridge]

yeah that's totally fine, and you said that you reroll a lot but i will give you credit in that it'll be much harder to get high end gear in LE if you keep rerolling

on your first character of the league, the high end reward structure of LE starts at level 97

you are not expected to be able to farm good gear before that

[upper wedge]

what corruption levels are we speaking of for relevant gear farming?

300?

[charred ridge]

you can start getting stuff at 300 yeah, the endgame standard is 1000

but the most important thing is to be CoF rank 12

so you can make use of prophecies

as efficiently as possible anyway

[vapid kindle]

it’s really worth your time to push further on a character before you roll alts, as it makes farming gear for alts way easier

[charred ridge]

i think they play SCF

[upper wedge]

^

[vapid kindle]

ah

[upper wedge]

Also I'm too excited because I come up with new builds lol

[charred ridge]

yeah i mean that's totally fine to play that way

but to me it just sounds like you complain about endgame stuff being less accessible, while not even reaching endgame

[upper wedge]

I was also a bit scared of empowered maps, playing HC and all

[charred ridge]

just enjoy the pre-endgame

it's fine not to have good gear

[vapid kindle]

why character found instead of account found? just curious

[upper wedge]

Offline for performance

[charred ridge]

you can play SAF offline still

aka shared stash

if you play SCF i can only assume it's for the challenge

[upper wedge]

ah

That too, I don't like alt gear in PoE either

[vapid kindle]

fair enough

[charred ridge]

alt gear is a massive selling point of LE btw

it's fine to play without ofc

[upper wedge]

I'm aware

And the keys for dungeon skip too

Personally I enjoy doing "fresh runs"

[charred ridge]

but twink gear is extremely potent in LE and most people have a lot of fun rolling through the early game with 200% movement speed

[upper wedge]

not for me personally

[charred ridge]

ya that's fine

to each their own

[vapid kindle]

i can appreciate that but even if you don’t use twink items not having your faction rep, keys and crafting mats would drive me mad personally lol

[charred ridge]

you can do skips on your first character btw

but ofc on HC i wouldnt recommend it

lol

[vapid kindle]

if i had to do it for every alt that is

[upper wedge]

I personally ban alt crafting mats on my HCSSF runs in PoE too 💀

I just like doing fresh runs idk

[charred ridge]

well you are the target audience

[upper wedge]

for scf?

[charred ridge]

of this stupid seasonal meta

[upper wedge]

oh

what about it?

[charred ridge]

i come from MMOs so i'm not a fan (i tolerate it it's fine)

[arctic oar]

I'm very heavily leaning towards swapping to legacy completely

getting older

[charred ridge]

MMOs usually keep player progression from one patch to another (even if they invalidate most of your gear by releasing new much stronger gear at the same time)

[upper wedge]

I come from build creation in CRPGs, so character progression from 1~finish is a huge factor for me

[vapid kindle]

the thought of having to manage a legacy stash kinda makes me shudder tbh

[arctic oar]

it's better now with gauntlet

[rigid wyvern]

it gets better with time

[arctic oar]

gamba > hoard

[charred ridge]

i play cRPGs as well but most cRPGs don't have a ton of replayability

[rigid wyvern]

cause the longer you play, the stricter you pick up items

its only an issue immediately

[charred ridge]

same lmao

[arctic oar]

bless original sin for existing

[charred ridge]

i dont think either DOS game is super replayable

but that's just me

[arctic oar]

maybe I'm biased idk

[vapid kindle]

i just look at my imported legacy stash for 5 minutes each season and remember why i don’t play legacy

[arctic oar]

It's withdraw only can pretend it doesn't exist

[charred ridge]

it depends what you like about those games, there are ppl who like to experiment with builds, and there are ppl who are here for the story or questing/progression experience

[arctic oar]

Like all of our problems

[charred ridge]

the latter usually only plays once or twice

[upper wedge]

I'm a build maker, so I have potentially infinite replayability

[arctic oar]

I think those games heavily encourage the fresh start vibe, like a new survival/crafting world

Towns are ready to pillage again

Etc

[charred ridge]

meh i get so bored if i replay DOS

[upper wedge]

IDK how odd this will sound, but starting from fresh vs having alt gear also contributes to me feeling like I'm actually playing an RPG

[arctic oar]

it's definitely an acquired taste I guess

[charred ridge]

i like discovering new stuff, i cba to be on the beach again i alreayd know that beach all too well

NWN was insane for that with the amount of community-made content

[upper wedge]

Yet here you are doing your 44523321234th False Temple run

[arctic oar]

I'm a little desensitized to replaying because of older jrpgs. must've finished golden sun a trillion times while on a trip/public transport when younger

[upper wedge]

😆

[vapid kindle]

i find with CRPGs replaying them often shatters the illusion of the impact of choices

[charred ridge]

it's unclaimed troves but ye

[arctic oar]

cough trove cough

[charred ridge]

different genre, i'm here for different things

i can certainly tell you that i haven't read a single word of the LE campaign

[arctic oar]

surprisingly I care less about the roleplay and more about just moving through the world like the plague and getting everything I can get my hands on

[upper wedge]

literally the opposite here lol

[charred ridge]

i mean there are games that i replay, i've played through pathfinder wotr like 4 times for example

NWN i mustve played like 15 times as a kid (just the OC)

but u have to really enjoy a game for that

[arctic oar]

temple of elemental evil was my first one

[charred ridge]

DOS was enjoyable but not so enjoyable i'd play it twice

[arctic oar]

Not the best first pick

But it's all I had available

[charred ridge]

toee was still cool

[upper wedge]

IDK why TTRPGers tend to dichotomise RP / story vs powergaming. I'm a huge powergamer / minmaxer / spreadsheet junkie / optimiser, yet I'm very invested in the lore and plot

[charred ridge]

i think they just recently put it on steam or something too

[arctic oar]

They did? I have to check that out

For nostalgia if anything

[charred ridge]

if it's not out yet then it's in the works

[upper wedge]

DOS is also long

[charred ridge]

cant speak for the whole ttrpg community but i'm also into both

it just depends on the mindset when booting the game

[arctic oar]

I have an embarrassing amount of time dumped into chronicon and that's only due to how easy gearing is in that game, guilty pleasure of a game I swear. Just pure numbers nothing else

[vapid kindle]

i do also think that for me the main selling point of DOS was the combat

[charred ridge]

i will always powergame but 90% of the time i'm invested in lore in cRPGs

i dont give a single damn about lore in arpgs and MMOs

[vapid kindle]

the DOS story was fine but the combat was fantastic

[arctic oar]

I haven't read too much of the story in LE either

All I know is funny guy turns into worm

[charred ridge]

ngl i didnt even notice

[arctic oar]

It was in the name or I wouldn't have noticed either

[upper wedge]

meanwhile I've been binging LE lore stuff the past couple days 💀

[arctic oar]

I was like wait a minute

[vapid kindle]

i talked to the first npc once when chapter 1 was different and haven’t talked to anyone since

ik there’s some funky time travel stuff going on

pirate man becomes crab

[arctic oar]

funniest story change to me was the academy thing

Placing a portal inside it

People got lost 😭

[charred ridge]

unpopular opinion but i think DOS was a lot more immersive than BG3

[upper wedge]

I dont think that's a very unpopular opinion.

[arctic oar]

I agree but I admit I'm very very biased

[charred ridge]

i despise how there's a pseudo-cinematic every time you talk to a character in BG3

[arctic oar]

Original sin is my favorite crpg

[charred ridge]

talk to a cat: "meow" and you have a full-on zoom on that damned cat

like why

[arctic oar]

And I've played a metric ton of them

[upper wedge]

mine is Pillars of Eternity and BG1

I love Pillars

[charred ridge]

are speech bubbles not good enough anymore?

[vapid kindle]

i think this is fine when deployed strategically but i can see how it was overused

[arctic oar]

I've always wanted to try the coop in original sin but none of my friends are into those games so I kept getting dragged into d2 instead

[charred ridge]

my controversial take is that BG3's success was highly due to marketing strats and design choices targeted towards a wider audience, and not the actual quality of the game

although it is a fine game ofc

[arctic oar]

Wonder how much of little things like that were Larian's choice

Imagine if it's "new player accessibility"

[upper wedge]

I have never played Diablo 2, but whenever I come across a horrendous mechanic in an ARPG, the reason is "it's an hommage to D2", so I hate D2 without ever having touched it

[charred ridge]

i mean those pseudo-cinematics were definitely oriented towards a non-cRPG audience to be like "hey look our game is cool"

[vapid kindle]

d2 is a super innovative game with fantastic itemization systems but after 2k+ hours in LE the qol in d2 is intolerable to me tbh

[arctic oar]

It's a cripplingly unbalanced game, with the stalest endgame (almost absent), worst case of max amount of entities on the screen (item labels included) and power spike issues across the board. And yet the itemization itself is near perfect

[charred ridge]

like the forgotten keep woven echo, thankfully you only have to deal with it for 3 minutes per season

[upper wedge]

Chris Wilson rejected the Auction House and kept insisting on site-based trading for a decade because "Diablo 2 had it like that"

[vapid kindle]

the fact that blizzard refused to incorporate even the world’s most basic qol in the remaster at risk of “tainting a perfect game” or whatever was so inexcusable

[arctic oar]

the question is why did poe2 launch without an ingame auction house when Johnathan said in an interview on launch that "we can't flop now that people expect things that other games have"

You'd assume he meant we need MG

But no

[vapid kindle]

yeah bro it really ruins your perfect game if you include ground item tooltips

[upper wedge]

we have it now

[charred ridge]

you "have" it

(you have a stall system)