💀┃acolyte

[abstract summit]

that's da catch

legendaries also work tho

so save your nemesis trash

[willow current]

got it

[rapid bobcat]

When you say level, what does this mean? Like, till 70 /have swapped loot filters and farmed up some gear? Thank you for your help btw

[abstract summit]

they added this kind of nice gear recycling flow last league
you put your 0 LP in nemesis
got LP? POG
want even more LP on it? goes into turtel
turtel failed? goes back to nemesis
nemesis bricked it? no worries, it is now reroll feeder

[abstract summit]

for me it is like until empowered monos. normals are kinda forgiving, for empowereds you will need something actually decent. i switched off of my levelling build around 75ish once i reached empowereds, others do it earlier 60-70 if they got lucky with a couple pieces

[rapid bobcat]

TY, maybe a more difficult question, but when should I swap loot filters? around the same time?

[abstract summit]

keep in mind respec cost scales with level so dont spend your gold, gonna need it. the later you switch the more expensive it gets

i dont swap, i always build my own so wouldnt know

[rapid bobcat]

Best way to farm gold if playing SSF / CoF?

[abstract summit]

but i mean your levelling filter is "hide normal / hide magic / hide some rares / hide all rares" basically 😄

dont need to farm it per se just dont go ham over stash tabs and shatter runes before switching

[willow current]

yeah turtle is busted

[rapid bobcat]

k, thank you for the advice, that was all i had. Really appreciate it.

[abstract summit]

60-70 respec cost is like 100-150k, 75-80 was like... 350ish?

[calm dome]

I like the reforge idols they added in cemetery

Rng your BiS idols without hoping for the right base

[abstract summit]

just play builds with 1x1 idols, problem solved XD

[astral kettle]

After I summon Abomination then does it lose the buffs it gained from consuming minions when I change map, echo etc?

[calm dome]

Reflect builds winning

[abstract summit]

tbh that shammy build is unironically good lol

never thought i will say that about a reflect build

[calm dome]

The cdr nodes are kinda bait for abom once you get around 4 idols with minion cdr. You can get around 100% ez from there. Diminishing value past that

[willow current]

if i put a lp 2 army of skin into the imprint for loot cache. does that make all the boots that drop from loot caches lp 2?

[calm dome]

Especially the node that makes abom lose health. Every person I seen here complain about abom dying has that node or accidentally got the keystone that kills minion on potion use

[charred ridge]

cant generalize cus different weapons have a different amount of flat etc but I'll just say fire has like 60% effectiveness compared to necro or whatever

it just depends on pen and inc necro dmg

[abstract summit]

no

[charred ridge]

i don't think we have almost any inc necro dmg so basically just divide the fire dmg by necro pen

[charred ridge]

gotta play grim dawn then

😂

[abstract summit]

well we have the one 30% in warlock tree but that's conviniently both fire and necro 😄

[willow current]

F ok thanks. does that even care about the rolls for uniques? or the rolls get randomized anyways?

[white oracle]

Or original Titan Quest lol

[abstract summit]

it usually randomizes some rolls and retains some others, dont think it's full random

LP might be wieghted too but dont quote me on it

at least i def get way more 1LP skins with a 1LP imprinted than 0s

[minor cedar]

Was an amazing game

[willow current]

got it ty

[radiant vessel]

saw a dev in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs confirm that LP matters for imprints

idk about how legenadries slotted in work tho

[white oracle]

I still need to play it some more but there's too much aRPG goodness

[oak harbor]

does Bone Splinters in Marrow Shards tree benefit from Flay's Deadly Plot when Marrow Shards are triggered via Flay?

[abstract summit]

i was also wondering

but i didnt seem to get any so that made me think it "bricks" the imprinting cause the lego technically cannot drop, just like a boss unique

didnt have one slotted for super long tho

[radiant vessel]

it can definitely drop but idk if it tracks, I had a legendary (used to be 1 LP) executioners slotted and I eventually had 8 of them drop, but only 2 had LP

which matches up pretty closely to the baseline drop-rate, maybe even worse because im CoF

[abstract summit]

i see. might put back my tithe then cause i badly need more lol

currently on the hopium high that SURELY im right about to get a better rolled LP3 lmao

the problems with impritnting a trash LP3 lmao

+3% crit multi -1LP weeeee

or +2 parry chance -2 LP 😄

[radiant vessel]

found source: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[cerulean eagle]

bit of an odd question but is Abomination good ? I looked at some of the skill nodes in it ,and it just seems way overcompliacted compared to what I can achieve with the golem

[fleet belfry]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1vlo60gj
I can't sustain reaper form and if i can, i often get oneshot out of it. Suggestions on how I can start doing empowered monos?

[calm dome]

Abom is uber abberoth viable

Strength stacking Cleaver Solution+Tyrant's Skull

[abstract summit]

i mean you specced corrupted form without much leech

and like zero armor

or dodge

[wise basalt]

So what build y'all playing now?

[abstract summit]

with 20% health drain 😄

so ye fix those

[clear sedge]

anyone know a good lich leveling guide..?

[white oracle]

Rip Blood Lich is okayish for leveling
I'd choose Necro or Warlock over it

[clear sedge]

whats better and more easy in early ? necro or war

[white oracle]

I've heard warlock is the easiest. I did Necro Abomination which is a pain to setup

[clear sedge]

u have a build for the war for me?

[white oracle]

you could use the leveling guide on maxroll, should be good enough to get you to 70:
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide

[pearl snow]

That setup could work well into 70-80 range honestly warlock DoT just kinda slaps all content without much gear until empowered

[white oracle]

agreed

[lyric arrow]

is there a minion damage calculator?

[tender ridge]

even into empowered ignite warlock slaps. get yourself a firestarter's torch and you're good for a while

[pearl snow]

100%

[dusty onyx]

10 fail slam in a row sucks

[tender ridge]

F

[astral kettle]

1. Does Minion HP increase stat from items and passive tree apply to T-rex as well?

2. After I summon Abomination then does it lose the buffs it gained from consuming minions when I change map, echo etc?

[tender ridge]

1. Yes
2. It shouldn't unless you unsummon it or it dies

[ashen quest]

Abomination eats trex when forming what does it add to him?

[pearl scarab]

if your curious Yong, these are the scaling tags for the T-rex

[tender ridge]

abomination can't eat the rex. only your acolyte minions

[lost cliff]

can someone help me play am done with campion and idk what to do

lvl 67 harvest flay lich

[tender ridge]

head to the monolith at the end of time

time to start the endgame

[pearl scarab]

go to the end of time town -> go to the zone change to the right -> have fun in monos

[lost cliff]

ok what do i make my build better should i buy or craft ?

[clear sedge]

what dmg is this build based on?

[pearl scarab]

we'd need to see your build to say

[tender ridge]

it's a mix of fire and necrotic DoT

[lost cliff]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/harvest-lich-guide

[real turret]

@charred ridge I still can't pinpoint exact mechanic but it seems to follow rip blood proc rate for the big hits

[willow current]

i can't get the 2 damn rings for the mana flay build oof

[clear sedge]

thank you, which skill point or passive poiint is nessesary early on to bring that dmg on?

[jagged marten]

so are unclaimed trove still the spam for weavers? I thought bloodline glade was sick but didnt realize it was just champions affixes

[real turret]

Like is it next Ms after proc or wut

[lost cliff]

if anyone free and want vc that would be great

[pearl scarab]

do you know the site last epoch tools?

[lost cliff]

nope

and am like 20 hours

[pearl scarab]

its pinned in the chat here, go there and go to their build planner and import your current character

then use the export/save/share button to get a link to share

this lets everyone else see all the details of your build

[clear sedge]

if i wanna upgrade the dmg over time here. which scroll is the best to use for it?

[lost cliff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZmgdLB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 67

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,261, Regen: 23.22/s
▸ Mana: 116.84, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 19 Dex / 48 Int / 7 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 86% / 7% / 8% / 21% / 68% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 378
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (239)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (580)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Harvest / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Transplant

[pearl scarab]

if your upgrading the affix use glyphs of hope, the other glyphs are to change the affix

[lost cliff]

i got like 250k

[pearl scarab]

how much ward are you sustaining

[lost cliff]

what do u mean

like in twon 456

[pearl scarab]

when your in combat, how much ward do you have, generally

[clear sedge]

and how can i "delete or change" a affix?

[pearl scarab]

removal runes remove a random affix

chaos glyphs reroll it into a random affix that can go into that slot

[charred ridge]

no idea rofl

[pearl scarab]

exalted items have a few just for them

[lost cliff]

engi if its possible we hop in a vc chat and i screen share if your free and u dont min

[charred ridge]

should be on the same proc i assume

[pearl scarab]

can't I'm in a work meeting rn

but first things first, you want all of these to be 75%

[lost cliff]

i got one chest that can sholve that

[pearl scarab]

but you also want to keep your crit defense capped

one of these two should always be capped

your also gonna want to raise your ehp, especially ehp vs max hit

capped resistances will help here, but your gonna want more max health, especially with the capped at 50% health and that as ward node

[lost cliff]

on which mode of thesse
should i be crafting or buying off markert whats easier

[pearl scarab]

at this point both for MG

crafting is for everyone

ideally I'd try to swap your gloves belt and both rings for solid rares to boost your health and resistances

falcon fists especially can be great on not falconeer builds, but thats normally saved for when you get one with LP

Monos will 100% make you feel this low ehp

[ripe arch]

is fastest way of gettin the jaw dagger just puttin points into rift beasts in weaver tree and praying i find them?

[lost cliff]

cool and how can i make gold and buy it with coins i did that in poe

[pearl scarab]

generally solid idols can sell for a ton cause their annoying af to farm

[lost cliff]

i got everything for the dagger except for the blue thing

[pearl scarab]

Also gold making wise you can probably get better advice in the merchant guild channel on this server

[heady bough]

i swear to god aura of decay's fx appearing from the character's waist instead of on the floor makes it really difficult to see stuff, especially enemy attacks. or do i need to git gud?

[lost gale]

I know blood spatter doesn't scale with some of the generic rip blood damage nodes but is the same true of coagulation?

[tender ridge]

assuming it doesn't say "Doesn't scale with other nodes on the rip blood tree" then it should still, yeah?

[pulsar raven]

wait, does frostbite from harvest get boosted by the intelligence stat on harvest, or not?

because i may be being very stupid with my build if it doesnt

[crisp ridge]

can hold alt on ur skill and itll say what scales with int

the consoder conversions

[pulsar raven]

its whether the increased damage applikes to ailments that im nto sure about

[wet sky]

will brittle bones on bone curse kill my golem?

[marble palm]

would yall use this or just sell on mana flay lich?

[magic ruin]

can any1 help me? i keep summoning vanguards even tho i have no point anywhere for them

[pulsar raven]

not on passive or skills, or just from the skills? there are passives that summon them too

[magic ruin]

nop nothing.. whenever a zombie dies it sometimes summons a vanguard:( even despecialisized all skills

also my friend has same build and his abo keeps his hp, and mine deteriates rather fast:(

[pulsar raven]

sure you dont have aegisfall passive specced for armor shred?

[magic ruin]

nop dont have that neither. guess im gonna delete the whole build and put all in again

[wet sky]

does anyone know if brittle bones on bone curse will kill my golem if i target him with it?

[boreal rampart]

does anyone know how often the wraithlord sacrifices your minions? not trying to have to res my minions all the time

[tender ridge]

doesn't it always sacrifice them if they're around?

[slim mason]

only wraiths no?

[tender ridge]

it eats any non-wraith

[boreal rampart]

oh so it will eat any non wraith immediately?

it wasn't clear if it's just like, sometimes it eats one of your minions or what the cd is on the 'empowering' effect it does

it also states it only eats your minions while at max wraiths

just curious if anyone has had experience with it while having non-wraith minions in their build

[deft mirage]

has anyone done testing with and reaper form?

love the amount of ward I get but im ping-ponging hp with aura of decay, which obviously I would. dont have the reduced DOT neck yet

[wheat sedge]

i use it with symbol of demise for 190+ stacks

bros whats the best case use for corrupted form in the lich tree?

[deft mirage]

oo I havent tried corrupted form yet

[haughty shard]

cant kill uber aberroth with abomination
i didnt know i was that bad

maybe there are some tips, is lvl 100 important for it?

[calm dome]

I've seen a strength stacking with cleaver solution and the trex relic clear with abom

Uberroth

[gleaming carbon]

Man, I gotta say abomination is a cool idea but

they really did not thinkthrough it's mechanics

the skillbar swapping is just really user unfriendly

[versed fox]

they're trying to eliminate that, but they missed this time

I imagine they'll revisit it next season

(They're anti mid-season changes)

[craggy flax]

you can still push Abom pretty far with only eating 3 different minions and then using Dreadshade

[boreal rampart]

so minions have this "50% less damage taken" on them on lastepochtools.. is that just some holdover from before they gained up to 60% damage reduction at level 100? or do they have 50% less damage taken AND 60% damage reduction (at level 100)?

[dusty onyx]

7 slam with 2 out of 3 good choice. Always the worst

fml

[craggy flax]

ya not updated

[marble crypt]

exactly as the text says basically hp stacking you should be able to cap you endurance threshold to match 50% of your max hp

and making you always count as low life

[boreal rampart]

and I'm guessing MY fire penetration will apply to the damage my minions take if I cast infernal shade on them?

[deft mirage]

thinking of using this with reaper poison dot

[radiant vessel]

Stacking low life damage buffs, I think it mostly makes you less tanky lol

[deft mirage]

also, anyone have a link to a low life build so I know what items to go for, cant seem to find too many solid poison items

other than plaguebearer and tongue of abberant seer, but tongue is meh

[marble crypt]

so far from what i've seen its just better to go bleed or frostbite if you want to do damage

[deft mirage]

im getting 600+ stacks on bosses like nothing so gonna keep home growing it till next game

[marble crypt]

assuming you somehow get 50% of max hp as endurance threshold its equivalent to 1.25x effective hp and doubles effectiveness of leech

[deft mirage]

I need to test an oracle neck for the reduced dot dam taken but its kinda negligable next to the amount of hp decay im rocking

[marble crypt]

the main use imo of it is basically to count as low life and keep leech

[abstract summit]

Decay is not dot

[deft mirage]

the poison stacks on yourself aren't a dot?

[marble crypt]

decay is "health drain"

the poison stacks on yourself does so little damage xd

[deft mirage]

true but they should be affecting my ward correct?

[marble crypt]

still basically non existent

[deft mirage]

without the passive causing them to bypass it, my ward isnt even moving

[abstract summit]

Dots ye, decay no

[deft mirage]

also poison pen makes your aura of decay self dot do more damage

just a thing I learned

[abstract summit]

Not just your pen

All your multis 😄

It's your poison

[marble crypt]

you take so little poison damage with the change this season

assuming you actually spec into all the less dot damage taken

[deft mirage]

its only hitting for 23-30 without pen thankfully

[marble crypt]

or if self damage is that much of a problem swap to bleed and run around with bleed immunity

[craggy flax]

anyone mess with an Abom Sacrifice build yet?

[marble crypt]

even with penetration i dont think it would do much?

[deft mirage]

it was hitting 40-50 with pen

I just dont understand why my ward isnt moving, could just be the amount I'm gaining from the primal ward chest

[marble crypt]

read corrupted form again

[deft mirage]

I should test pen with chest and corrupted form

[marble crypt]

and architects of blood

(200% to 240%) of Maximum Health applied as a Ward Limit

[abstract summit]

What's your ward at? 1k? 5k?

[deft mirage]

looks like 1863 with archects of blood

and corrupted form

[abstract summit]

Ye that's still "early" on the decay curve

[marble crypt]

and ward

[abstract summit]

You just generate so much you dont see chip damage affecting it

[marble crypt]

nah he's just capped to 50% of his max hp as ward

[abstract summit]

Ye it prob go 3-4k stable otherwise at least

[marble crypt]

it would jitter up and down by 1 ward if it wasn't capped

you probably dont want corrupted form with that chest

[abstract summit]

Agree

[deft mirage]

alright cool i'll swap some points

ignore the pen points, I just put them in to test the self dam but this is my lich passive tree

[abstract summit]

If you dont use the big endurance boost and have some alternative non low life ward tech to reach your low threshold corrupted form kinda does nothing for you

[deft mirage]

ive only got plaguebearer and the chest as uniques, dont know much about other uniques

[marble crypt]

life drain is fine but you just need to enter fights in lich form or risk dying instantly xd

[deft mirage]

yeah it seems outside of death seal im scrambling to stay alive

on single target

[abstract summit]

It's either big life big endurance 30% leech font of the erased corrupted form

OR big life and all the low life ward tech you can stack

Latter will not use reaper tho

Or just stack mana use one experimental boots affix and call it a day lol

[deft mirage]

sick, thanks for the advice

[abstract summit]

Ye tbh our defensive schemes are super unintuitive

Don't like this part of the rework

[marble crypt]

tbh i just feel that immortal vise is all you really need xd assuming you arent low life ward

[deft mirage]

I'll take all the unique advice I can get

thats the bread and butter of the gloves?

[abstract summit]

If you wanna triple down on low life last steps of the living and optionally an experimental gloves prefix besides chest, plus the 2x5% from the base andnlich passive trees

[deft mirage]

my gloves atm

[left whale]

BFF?

[dusty onyx]

My bad I guess

[marble crypt]

lol

[abstract summit]

Ye some beast abilities are straight up cooked lol

[boreal rampart]

how is overall minion durability without specifically speccing for it in empowered monoliths? and what items / affixes do you need?

[marble crypt]

I assume thats a telegraph right

[abstract summit]

The icy winter circles are also giga bs

[clear kernel]

So I am starting a flay lich build. What kind of relic should I be looking for?

[marble crypt]

what are you trying to damage with?

[abstract summit]

Ye ppl need to start adding qualifiers when talking about "flay lich" lmao

[marble crypt]

if you dont have a plan "twisted heart" is usually the safe choice or "ambitions of an erased acolyte"

if your rich then uh "shattered worlds" or for some reason dont have a primordial already equipped "reliquary nest"

[clear kernel]

Running monoliths. Would that qualify as an answer? (sorry if I misunderstood your question).

[radiant vessel]

theres a lot of different kinds of flay lich, and they do damage through different things

like some do it through necrotic dmg and max mana, some do it through cold damage, some bleeds, etc

[tender ridge]

did you deserve it?

[wheat sedge]

is flay just being used to dump mana? how else to spam it?

[dusty onyx]

I did!

That guy managed to doge int like a boss

[clear kernel]

Oh ok. I am following the build from maxroll (I might change a few things here and there later). Currently I have the following gear/uniques collected. All uniques are all non LP. Amulet and belt both have high cold damage rolls.

[dusty onyx]

sadge

[little wigeon]

Doesn't maxroll have a recommended relic in their build

[clear kernel]

They do, but I don't know which affixes are more important.

Or should I get a unique that early

[little wigeon]

I believe you are doing the cold melee one? Then T7 dex, crit multi, and whatever def affix you need

Twisted heart is a stat stick (20%hp) and can just slam T7 dex on it

[clear kernel]

I see. Thank you so much for your answer.

[dark inlet]

does the Reaper Form assassination threshold node give you that % threshold for your other assassinate effects even when you're not in RF?

[wheat sedge]

does a node like this, when it says "Harvest deals more damage over time", that means any dot it applies right? does that include dots applied from items and not from it's own tree?

[little wigeon]

Dark harvest node? That's reap only

[dark inlet]

what I mean is assassinate effects say they use your highest % threshold if you have assassinate from other effects. but it's not clear to me if you count as having assassinate from RF if you're not presently transformed

[little wigeon]

Harvest only

[little wigeon]

I'm not sure what you mean. The only node with kill threshold in RF is the one I mentioned. You need reap which is a RF only skill so you can't do it outside of RF

[dark inlet]

I mean for instance the Reaper passive in Lich tree gives you a kill threshold on all spells and melee attacks

[abstract summit]

Highest kill threshold wins, they are not additive

[dark inlet]

not my question...

my question is if things like Reaper would use the Dark Harvest node's % (assuming it's greater) if you're not currently in RF

[little wigeon]

That doesn't require reaper form

That's a passive giving you generic kill threshold

[dark inlet]

I know it is...

[obtuse quest]

Dark Harvest only applies to the skill Reap, so I don’t know how your question matters. It literally doesn’t work outside of reaper form because you don’t have access to Reap

[little wigeon]

You cant use dark harvest outside of reaper form.... I already said that

[wheat sedge]

Marshal are you confusing Dark Harvest (reaper form node) with Harvest (melee attack skill)?

[dark inlet]

my very question was about the nature of the "if you have a similar effect from an item or skill tree node" language of kill thresholds. that's why my question matters, because it's what I was unclear on.

[obtuse quest]

The alt text deals with that question.
It uses the highest number you have aceess to and ignores any lower number.

[little wigeon]

Dark harvest is 18%, reaper is 10%

[dark inlet]

This is the most obtuse conversation I've had on this server by a mile.

[dark inlet]

I know.

[little wigeon]

Well you aren't being clear

[abstract summit]

Well, it's obtuse cause you aint making sense my man

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, this question makes no sense because you literally have no access to the node outside of reaper form.

[dark inlet]

that was part of what I was asking. jfc

I asked if the game considered you as having access to it or not

[obtuse quest]

It makes a bit sense of a question if dark harvest is a generic kill threshold

But dark harvest specifies “Reap”

So it will only ever apply to Reap.

[dark inlet]

It makes sense as a question because "similar effect" is pretty vague and doesn't say "identical effect"

Regardless, it is now answered

Thank you

[wheat sedge]

what in the game uses the terminology "identical effect"

[obtuse quest]

Wet tissue paper.

[obtuse quest]

Nothing, I think all use cases use “similar effect”

[wheat sedge]

thats what i thought too..

[little wigeon]

Idk kzb just repeated what I initially said lmao guess you gotta hear it 3 times

[obtuse quest]

[abstract summit]

That was heavy on my sleep deprived psyche

[civic finch]

I assume rootmind doesnt work for AOD as it doesn't have the spell tag, right?

[obtuse quest]

Correct!

[abstract summit]

Lol i actually searched "wait wtf is rootmind"

[little wigeon]

Also spell dmg doesn't scale AoD

[obtuse quest]

Spec into them in yhe weaver tree and pray to rngesus, and use the node that spams rifts

[left whale]

The ones u have to buy, u have to buy cant drop i think

[civic finch]

Kinda sucks, no unique item that benefits AOD in any way

[obtuse quest]

Half of rotmind does, Just not the important bits

Like how the poison ring would be perfect for AoD… If it was a damn spell

[civic finch]

I mean, technically

it SHOULD BE

but its not because...

no idea

[wheat sedge]

how does this work exactly? i can understand that outside of RF it will reduce the cooldown, but what about the Reap part? will hitting with flay reduce the cooldown of reap? and only once?

[obtuse quest]

It doesn’t do spell damage nor does it have a hit component.

[civic finch]

it should also do spell damage

but welp

[wheat sedge]

sorry, 3x, not once

[obtuse quest]

It reduces reap cooldown. Works X amount of times between each reap press.

[obtuse quest]

What spell? There’s no spell here

[civic finch]

Oh yeah

its a jutsu

lmao

[abstract summit]

Practically reap pretty much doesnt have a cd

[wheat sedge]

so hypothetically speaking, i use reap, then hit 9x before using the next reap, then use reap, the 9x counter resets?

[abstract summit]

3x

Per point, okay

[wheat sedge]

oh right its only 2 points, so max 6

[abstract summit]

But again practically you reap, you flay things, you can reap again

[wheat sedge]

is there a way for reap to give mana?

[abstract summit]

No but it gives 5k ward 😄

And that's better than mana

[wheat sedge]

yeah but i want to spam flay as much as possible to spam reap as much as possible

[abstract summit]

Im telling you the cd doesnt exist for practical gameplay you don't flay 6 times

You do 2 flays, pack dead, you reap

[wheat sedge]

im just thinking more for bosses. the flay teleport is a mini reap anyway

[abstract summit]

Like I only have 30% reap cdr in rf tree cause already didnt need more

[obtuse quest]

Giving poison access to spell damage? Unheard of! (Wandering spirits laughs in the distance)

[abstract summit]

You wont reap much for bosses cause you either transplant to avoid a mechanic, or you blow up the boss

[civic finch]

Aura of decay is just my character spraying bug spray on the enemies

i just never noticed it

[wheat sedge]

does Deathtouch Scythe interact with Gravechill? Will the latter turn the necrotic damage to frost?

[obtuse quest]

Hey, at least the bug spray drops their resistances like a truck.(which sadly you don’t need much as poison)

[abstract summit]

Before you go down that rabbit hole reap is a movement skill, not a damaging one 😄

[craggy flax]

So Abom can Sac itself even without speccing into Sac Chain? that doesnt seem very intuitive

[wheat sedge]

yes but it adds damage to everything if im reading it right, it just doubles it for reap. i want to know if it will make harvest/flay do more frost damage aswell

[little wigeon]

I doubt it. Gravechill specifies reap only for the conversion. It doesn't say anything about deathtouch changing.

[obtuse quest]

It can’t unless the sac it causes is by something else. Eg:zombies casting sac on death

[dusty onyx]

Yessss! Finally

[craggy flax]

I did not have Zombies
Sac was not even on my bar
no Cruelty relic
running through Monos and Abom at full HP kill stuff Sac'ing Skellies and spawning Blood Wraiths
and about twice per Mono the Abom just vanishes

[versed fox]

Is there a way to get around health pots on the ground

they keep getting me killed

is there anything that makes pots give you 0 life

[civic finch]

Nah its godshit, send to me

[obtuse quest]

That sounds like the “oops anti snapshot” thing more than sac murdering it tbh

[obtuse quest]

There’s affixes that turn it so that it gives ward instead

[tender ridge]

so what primo do I want for this frostbite skellies build? Offhand is already taken up

nest with lots of vitality relics?

[craggy flax]

using Apogee I assume?

[tender ridge]

yeah

and lich's scorn

[daring holly]

U can disable autopot in menu

[versed fox]

wow you're right, there it is

[tender ridge]

you can also convert the healing to ward

[versed fox]

yeah but not 100%, right?

[tender ridge]

experimental belt affix or Chains of Ulros belt

[versed fox]

or at least not with one mod

ahhh ulros

[tender ridge]

chains does 100%

[versed fox]

word word

I don't think I want to go that deep on it

this autopot thing will work out though

or at least it'll be worth testing

[daring holly]

U can 100℅ with 2 mods or uleros yes

[slim mason]

Hmm cb phys with calamity and torch chef kiss for lvling

Guess not as efficient a s fissure but u skip respec

[daring holly]

But does it keep scaling till monos?

[craggy flax]

ok just did it again
no gear swaps have been done
no skill swaps
literally just running through the mono
no mobs around
he was just casting sac on skellies then poofed

[obtuse quest]

Did you touch a shrine

I recall shrines breaking aboms

Otherwise I got no clue

[craggy flax]

I dont think so, I was in a cemetery running through a pile of embers

[tender ridge]

did you remember to pay him

my butler in OSRS runs off if I don't pay him

[stone sphinx]

I feel super squishy with the abom necro :< is that normal

[versed fox]

How do people feel about spectral wounds? I haven't gotten around to allocating it yet, just curious how big of an impact you feel it made

[solid sonnet]

I am hoping I can get some help. I am running Profane Oblation Mages and I am calculating my DPS to be around 100k per explosion. However, whenever I go to the single Boss dummy, I am seeing explosions consistently at 150k. I was curious if anyone could help me figure out where I am missing out on a 50% more multiplier.
Build Planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5xKkLB

My calculations have:
70 base profane damage
325 Added flat (350% damage effectiveness) including Chaos Bolts, Dread Shade, Mage Tree, Passives, and Wand
976% increased damage from multiple sources
52% Minion Power (I'm level 90)
21% Mage Tree (I have 527 Mana)
60% Dread Shade
37% Mark of Death and Necrotic Pen
54% Armor Shred (I am using the value of around 100 stacks from Tunklabs)
I am crit capped with 366% multiplier

Is there another multiplier that I am missing or is it that I am miscalculating somewhere?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (73) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,687, Regen: 46.34/s
▸ Mana: 527.46, Regen: 17.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 249%, Regen: 17/s
▸ Attributes: 37 Str / 2 Dex / 74 Int / 2 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 86% / 75% / 82% / 85% / 135% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 537
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,218)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Skeletal Mage / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade

[obtuse quest]

It's effectively 10% dr if you have leech

[kind forge]

combined with death seal it makes all of your damage come in as a fake dot

[versed fox]

I've got leech turned off but it would spread it out with the ward gain ticks

maybe I should reallocate to get it sooner

I'm not having too many problems with squishiness, but my gear is pretty ass

[kind forge]

it also means that you can remove all of that damage

xD

i forget how much it is but it removes a portion per kill and 25% when it ends

[obtuse quest]

Only by death seal, the passive itself doesn't do that outside of death seal

[versed fox]

kzb were you one of the people that was telling me impact ward (dot skips ward) would kill me instantly

because you/they were incredibly right and I died instantly

[slim mason]

Noice

[echo yarrow]

i can facetank abberoth and do the whole fight without looking, but 250 corr harbys one shot me

what in the world did they do?

[obtuse quest]

I LITERALLY told you.

[obtuse quest]

Corruption scaling is doing more than written right now, known bug

[vivid ruin]

That attack that's telegraphed just has crazy damage from 300 corr up.

[obtuse quest]

(Abberoth has no corruption scaling)

[echo yarrow]

8k non crit capped res lmfao wtf

[versed fox]

I thought I had been playing with it already on but I had only allocated two points

so I put the point in and died right away

I was impressed

[obtuse quest]

It does what you expect it to do. (murder you because you got no health)

[versed fox]

I know when I'm owned and I am owned

[obtuse quest]

At least you learned!

[versed fox]

It's true

And now I spread the good word of don't take that node

[echo yarrow]

are they fixing this harby bs? i dont really feel like pushing deeper than 500 rn with this harby bug

[vivid ruin]

Why are we assuming bug rather than feature?

[echo yarrow]

8k non crits at 250 corr is okay?

[obtuse quest]

TLDR Area level scaling is kinda screwed rn

8k hits don't exist last time until like 600c

[sweet spade]

On a related note, I really wonder how to build survivability on mana flay

Compared to vk es last season, mana flay just seems to be a game of try to soak any hit and insta leech to max.

Ofc, we get some insane tools for that, with 90% into dot

[vivid ruin]

I've found sacrificing hollow lich to keep leech has been more than enough to be generally quite tanky. My gear isn;t sensational either as I had a busy weekend. Nil issues to ~400 corr so far. Except harbinger 1 shots.

[short arch]

can anyone help me figure out how I get a rough estimation on how much damage my skeletons and skeletal mages are doing? thanks

[obtuse quest]

Calculate stats and get a piece of pen and paper to do the formulas.

[short arch]

that's really the only current way to determine DPS? that kinda sucks

[craggy flax]

go slap the training dummy

[short arch]

time to do big maths

training dummy is in the arena area right?

[craggy flax]

yes sir

[short arch]

ty zenji much appreciated ❤️

[craggy flax]

when it comes to pets dont trust tooltips
got to slap the dummy

[obtuse quest]

Slap dummies and divide it by 10 for estimated dps numbers at empowered.

[short arch]

tyvm yall!

[craggy flax]

empowered is 90% reduction ya?

[old hull]

Yeah, if you slap the dummy, then all you really need is to calc your attack speed for dps if it's all basic attacks

87% less

So multiply by 0.13 if you want to be totally accurate

[short arch]

I really like the community for this game people actually give you straight answers unlike the POE discord...

[obtuse quest]

But cutting a 0 is far easier to count if you want it to be quick

It's effectively an estimate anyway-

You still need to pen and paper if you want 100% accurate numbers.

[radiant vessel]

harbingers are brutal now, trying to do the 10 harbinger fight on 400c and every attack is one-tap

[old hull]

Yeah, I always compare builds off dummy dps anyway, skips the whole thing

[obtuse quest]

#💀┃acolyte message

[radiant vessel]

maybe they should just raise the whole games difficulty to this level

get in on that poe 2 money

[old hull]

Even then it's still theory and doesn't account for the boss moving around, stunning/slowing your minions, etc. and definitely hard to capture clear speed

[versed fox]

Did they make poe2 fun yet

[gritty cargo]

more fun than this LE season probably

[versed fox]

Lol

Back to reddit with you

[radiant vessel]

Maybe on Friday 🙏

[versed fox]

I wish you luck

[vernal quartz]

Does lich just suck i cant keep my ward topped off so im always at half life

[obtuse quest]

Corrupted form requires building around.

You don't just slap it on without thinking on how to leech and how to generate ward.

[vernal quartz]

Yeah I figured that I just cant find anything to generate ward I was going for a twisted heart but cant find one

[short arch]

so my summon skeletons are hitting at around 169 (not joking) to about 200 per base hit and crit at about the 200-1k range and I'm level 60 am I doing something wrong is that pretty normal? this is my first season as a necromancer

I've got 5 items with T5 increased minion damage affixes

actually some of the base hits are getting up to 1600 now weird

[lime mural]

anyone else get kicked out of an echo and then have the entire timeline and corruption reset?

[pearl snow]

AoD just killed me while I was enchanting an idol LOL I think its lost forever

[old hull]

Should just be in there next time you come across a woven enchanter

[pearl snow]

👀 oh I hope so

[left whale]

Farming time?

[left whale]

Got any flat damage

Base damage?

[north lance]

The current trend is the str stack Abom, right?

[obtuse quest]

Offline or online?

[astral kettle]

Thanks

[arctic grotto]

Yup, could pair it with the T-Rex relic as well. Scales with both Str and Int and buffs your minions with its roar.

[boreal rampart]

does infernal shade count as 'expiring' if the minion you cast it on dies? for the sake of the explosion

[obtuse quest]

If you don't have the "wait for next target" node, yes.

(Replacing a shade on a minion with another shade also counts as expiring.)

[lime mural]

online

[obtuse quest]

Whack bug, you sure it's the same timeline and empowered? (Normal monoliths have 0 corruption)

[boreal rampart]

if you have that wait for target node, will it pick up onto an enemy, or a minion? and while its sitting there, is it still burning? or just passively doing nothing

[abstract summit]

We had somebody with 20 life drain 6% leech and corrupted form earlier today complaining about reaper form dropping and dying

I dunno if EHG wanted lich to be an "advanced" class but when even seasoned theory crafters keep arguing about the different survivalability schemes for the different situation the new player stands almost no chance

The passive tree and the skills pulling you in two different directions is kinda bad for approachability imo, not super satisfied with the rework

[obtuse quest]

It will pick up on whatever it can target by what's closer if it has a choice. It does nothing while sitting iirc, check the node.

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to Lich,the rework really did not change it's core of "High investment buff juggling ahh mastery", we just got more options and a real melee skill.

[abstract summit]

Ye but if it's intended design i feel like there should be disclaimer somewhere lol

[boreal rampart]

im trying to determine whether minions can actually live for any meaningful amount of time while you have infernal shade on them.. it seems like they won't

assuming I am scaling my own damage

[obtuse quest]

If you want your infernal shade to do damage: They will not live.
If you want infernal shade to buff minions: yes.

[boreal rampart]

much

[brisk elk]

yeah merchants guild was worth

this was like 2.2 mil total

[main badge]

is there a build that uses profane veil and wants alot of + levels?

[vernal quartz]

Yeah I dont know how to make this class good I think you just really need t7 health everywhere before starting the build

[dusty onyx]

Trolled twice

[brisk elk]

which build?

[wheat atlas]

Got flay online and this fun af

[vernal quartz]

Im trying to make a low life flay lich but its basically like im always on half health

[brisk elk]

i wouldnt go low life with mana stacker

you get so much healing from chaos bolts

[abstract summit]

beeeeg

[vernal quartz]

I dont know im doing something wrong because the maxroll guide is doing corruption 1000. And im getting one shot in like 150 corruption

[brisk elk]

send character

[vernal quartz]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Subtypical/character/Subtypical_Sauron Probably doing something really wrong im trying to get more life and dex but havent found any good exalted

[abstract summit]

for the record those 1k corr videos skipped the corruption grind and just put the end result together for the showcase, and didnt really showcase twinned juiced possessed champion packs either

[brisk elk]

oh you're melee?

with no chaos bolts?

uh

your attributes are really low

[obtuse quest]

Possessed champions are deadlier than abberoth

[brisk elk]

twisted heart does nothing for you

[abstract summit]

ye ghost literally lives inside my head rent free

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that isn't even mana stack, that's pure cold melee lich

[brisk elk]

no shattered chains

melee should still use chaos bolts

[obtuse quest]

Twisted does jack all

[pearl snow]

@obtuse quest can you somehow inject the knowledge of hitting potion into my brain this is #10 tonight alone

[obtuse quest]

(apart from health)

[brisk elk]

you're doing life half the dmg without procced harvest

[obtuse quest]

HAHAHAHAHA

Maybe get health regen /s

[abstract summit]

i mean you aint wrong jsut for the record that's the maxroll build

[brisk elk]

switch twisted heart for literally anything

[brisk elk]

maxroll build is wrong

[pearl snow]

yeah Im gunna hunt the blessing lol

[abstract summit]

well 😄

[brisk elk]

you might as well not even use flay atp

who wrote it

not lizard surely

[abstract summit]

Volca

[lime mural]

yeah im positive, even clicked through all the rest just to make sure I wasn't tripping.

[brisk elk]

no flame to whoever that is but i think thats just objectively wrong

[abstract summit]

flay is literally just to TP and keep skin stacks up p much

[obtuse quest]

Then you'll have to bug report it and maybe support can help, cause I haven't heard of this bug this season

[brisk elk]

3 harvests from one attack is way too good to pass up

[vernal quartz]

I dont he basically had all perfect 3 lp gear in the showcase that could be the problem

[brisk elk]

you dont need that

melee lich should be strong with barely any gear

get more dex and int

[vernal quartz]

Yeah ill try to get more dex and int I really just need to get it on all my pieces still

[brisk elk]

get shattered chains as your belt you're losing a ton of damage

by not having it

i have no idea why his planner uses twisted heart but shattered worlds is 100x better

obviously you cant use it until you get one

[abstract summit]

i would also super duper not do 20% health drain when you ahve survivability issues

pump that flat armor node instead

[obtuse quest]

Maxroll loves twisted heart for the health affix and semi-easy LP source

[vernal quartz]

It just gives 20% health and some strength

[brisk elk]

and yeah i would switch transplant for chaos bolts and only press flay once per second

will double your damage no joke

you need like 150 dex 200 mana tho

to proc 3 consistently

300 mana ideally

but even without that its just worht

also you can switch the gloves out for an exalt

theyre only good with lp

[abstract summit]

i unironically might go 20 deep into warlock on my CB lich til they fix this corruption scaling issue lol

[brisk elk]

rn theyre worse than yellows for you

[brisk elk]

whats the issue

[abstract summit]

stuff scales like double

[vernal quartz]

Yeah Ill try getting both of those yeah I just I should just go back to rares

[abstract summit]

than intended

[brisk elk]

is it a bug?

[abstract summit]

ye, confirmed

[brisk elk]

i am only at 250 rn so i havent noticed except for harbingers oneshotting me

[abstract summit]

ye that's exactly where it's very visible

[brisk elk]

but my defenses are cheeks so i didnt think it was out of ordinary

lol

i just need enough dmg to kill them faster i guess

[abstract summit]

doing 6-7k hits at 200-250 is kinda not intended 😄

[brisk elk]

this nihilis is gonna be massive

then i need to farm about a billion gold for 18 perfect mana idols

[abstract summit]

kek

how much they are going for

[brisk elk]

yesterday i saw a perfect for 8 mil

idk if theyll go down or up over time

[abstract summit]

ohm

MG always inflates, sorry to say 😄

[brisk elk]

that was the cheapest one

lol

yeah its fine i just need a red ring to imprint and we gaming

[abstract summit]

tbh once you get everything sans idols you reroll CoF

[brisk elk]

im struggling to finish my harbingers tho because their melee attacks oneshot me

[brisk elk]

and lose all my gear?

[abstract summit]

well you can always level a second one too 😄

[brisk elk]

im enjoying mg

i also like having gold to randomly try a build whenever i want

instead of having to farm stuff

[abstract summit]

ye if you build many things MG is def must have

[brisk elk]

my next projects are gonna be a 100% block dual wielding falconer and/or a bowmage

bowmage was the first build i ever played but i havent seen anyone talk about it for years

gonna see how weak it is compared to current stuff lol

im happy i went mg tho, i never wouldve had a perfect mana nihilis by now

[abstract summit]

wtf is a bowmage 😄 frostbite stuff?

[obtuse quest]

It's reign of winter isn't it

[brisk elk]

dude back in the day bowmage was the shit

[obtuse quest]

It's ALWAYS reign of winter

[brisk elk]

its reign of winter+mourningfrost

[abstract summit]

ofc it is

[pearl snow]

[obtuse quest]

Sir we did that last patch with heartseeker

[brisk elk]

fr?

didnt know anyone used that

didnt play much last season

[abstract summit]

no we didnt, we played VK ES (as every season)

[brisk elk]

was it strong?

[obtuse quest]

Cold heartseeker effectively was bowmage

A pretty decent option. Like 2nd best heartseeker main skill build?

[brisk elk]

i see

the other thing i want to try is 100% block chance without a shield now that you can get corsair's set with legends entwined

the staff that throws shurikens on block as well as a normal falconer with 60% block mitigation

[abstract summit]

tbh a max mana nihilis is not that hard on CoF getting back to the previous topic. a 2 LP max mana now that's baller

[brisk elk]

i havent killed abberoth so i wouldnt have a nihilis at all

💀

[abstract summit]

fair 😄

i might just be having skewed perception because of VK ES

[brisk elk]

i havent really touched sentinel except for some turbo jank garbage with void beacon pre rework

i almost never play meta

[tender ridge]

bruh

[obtuse quest]

The holy double health affix idol

🙏

[tender ridge]

look at the rolls

[obtuse quest]

Oh

Oof

[abstract summit]

i let you know im playing ES VK since 0.9 XD
I remember looking at world splitter in 1.1 when people were FAWNING over event horizon

one day a 2 LP splitter was like 100k in MG, when i woke up the next morning it was 200M 😄

and that's how i became a CoF only player forever

[brisk elk]

lol

does pandemonium node work with procced bolts

i forgot

[north lance]

My Abom :))

[dusty onyx]

oooh

[abstract summit]

ye

that's kinda where you stop 😄

i figured out my bosses kept running away from me because i had 1 in Scatter

and apparenty fear fakken works on everything lmao

timeline bosses, harbies, didnt try it on abby yet but wouldnt be surprised

[obtuse quest]

It works on everything. Once

[brisk elk]

also my plan for gigatank build is to run transient rest with the t7 mana on traversal skill

so that i get ward when my mana is both full and empty

if im not running rb, the only thing i even get from skin is atk speed and area

[tender ridge]

this is pretty good at least

[abstract summit]

ooookay i guess first pale ox is an LP2 lmao

[brisk elk]

nice

[abstract summit]

thats all the time i need 😛

[abstract summit]

dude that affix literally carries me in on itself

[brisk elk]

no one buys transient rest so theyre cheap asf

but i guess no one has found an lp3 yet

sad

lp2s cost nothing

1 in 3775

will happen eventually

wait i forgot i need skin for ox to work

nvm not worth

free skellies op

[abstract summit]

ye same

and honestly the affix isenough

it's literally broken

holy i dont have fodder for even a 1 LP chest not to mention 2 lmao

redemptions go brrrrr

[brisk elk]

one big complaint about mg

cant filter for any affix of a tier

or any two affixes

i want to search for anything with two t7s but i have to do it manually

also you should be able to exclude sealeds

[abstract summit]

i mean that could be worse 😄

surely it hits int and mana

[astral kettle]

There are nodes in the Golem skill tree that provide increased size. What does size affect?

[tender ridge]

aight abby down with marrow shards

[vernal quartz]

Well I tried fixing my build I got it up to 3164 health and got more stats but I still get one shot in corruption 140

[tender ridge]

necro time

[tender ridge]

it makes the golem bigger so it blocks projectiles and stuff

[abstract summit]

💪

I think i will still spec the more armor per curse from warlock lol

9% more is kinda good

[calm dome]

Mindlessly farming rift beasts for the amulet

max level and all res please

[fossil basin]

need advise about death seal on lich

i get node Mortal Pulse which triggers Wave of Death every sec, and i have a node for bone armor granted on release death seal (Skeletal Shealth) but after one sec there is no Bone Armor on me, only after duration of Death seal is done. And i dont get it, because i also have a node for resistance shred (Radiated suffering) and as like bone armor -> resistance shred also triggers only on release? not every second? it sucks than

[calm dome]

Releasing death seal =/= wave of death procs

[obtuse quest]

Trigger wave of death=/= releasing death seal

Releasing death seal is basically losing death seal

[fossil basin]

ok, i get it

thanks

[dusty onyx]

Failed 5 slams daggers. Always pick the worst mod. Like how????

Now I run out of exalted pieces

[abstract summit]

just checking in, you know you can choose 1 mod at least right

[exotic sage]

Why do minions dont have a dmg tooltip? How do I know the effect of gear changes beside standing next to a training dummy staring on the dmg trying to estimate an avarage? Am I missing something?

[dusty onyx]

I choose the mod, it's the second one that is griefed

like 2 good mods to pick out of 3

failed 5 times in a row

[obtuse quest]

Most minions have more than one attack.
Not all skills have a tooltip dps either.
Tooltip dps is also inaccurate as heck

[abstract summit]

RIP

[lost gale]

if you take the flat fire damage in sacrifice the skill gains the fire tag, does anyone know if this also makes it a split damage skill for adaptive flat damage mods?

[dusty onyx]

At least... second try and worst ring but still valuable.

[formal sparrow]

Why am I seeing leddit complaining about lich and reaper form??? I have that thing active the whole ass map why are they whining

They talking about it+aura killing them or leaving them permanently 1 hp im confused

Nobody is calling them out so like what is going on? Cuz im personally perfectly chilling with lich reaper form regen/leech

[dusty onyx]

They can't read

[boreal rampart]

why is skeleton mage's mortar spell so bad? 25 base damage, 100% added spell effectiveness? 6 second cooldown base? I get that its AOE but it literally does less than their basic attack

[worldly birch]

so how bad is this damage bug

just got hit for 6k by an on death effect from a fateweaver in folly

i dont remember if that's normal or not

[abstract summit]

it's okay but lich will never be a class which you can play without actually reading your stuff

we had many folks today here with similar complaints

which should tell you something EHG 👀

[obtuse quest]

Perma 1 hp makes sense in human form with jackall for health regen
But everything else is lollmao

[worldly birch]

huh i noticed harbingers having ridiculous damage in that 300 corruption woven echo

but that one has always been insanely overtuned

i was almost killing uber abby by the time i beat that one lmao

also i hate to sound demanding but

"later this week" is pretty bad timing for a fix lol

dont they know their biggest competitor is having a major release by then

[obtuse quest]

That one is because it also gets corruption boosts ON TOP OF THAT, it's own modifier that's multiplitive.

Iirc that one's intentional

[velvet forge]

Trying to put together a cold lich. It doesn't say so just asking for clarity does this node modify blood eruption at all? :D

[teal cliff]

Can anyone help me with this?

[dusty onyx]

conversion also modify the subskill generally

[velvet forge]

That's what I've noticed was just making sure I wasn't gonna waste my time messing w the blood eruption if not :D Tysm friend

[dusty onyx]

Abom no longer decays?

[formal sparrow]

I usually have idk like 50-200 hp even when I let all degens hit me

[formal sparrow]

Its really not that hard to setup so its confusing how people struggle. You legit just press aura and reaper and run around killing crap. At aorst if u lose form you run circles for a few sec

[abstract summit]

ye assumig you have 30% leech and dont have 20+% health drain lol

which... you would be surprised 👀

i aint running circles, top up ward from transplant proccing boots experimental, pop seal and back in the fray 😄

my momma didnt raise no bi

[obtuse quest]

No

[formal sparrow]

I still aint using transplant lol. Just invested into reap range

[obtuse quest]

Depends on setup tbf, those with jack all for health regen will have their hp drop like a rock.

[formal sparrow]

You get that leech in 1 point tho lol

I dont recall having any hp regen but idk

[dusty onyx]

wow that's crazy! iirc, abom wasn't even bad. Just clunky

[abstract summit]

i mean good luck reaping when you are out of form XD

[sweet spade]

Transplant jumping over obstacles alone is worth putting on bar.

[abstract summit]

you kinda want both accursed and ageless ascetic imo and that's like still "just" 19%, so if you pick up 20% drain like many... khm.... builds out there you are still in the net negative

and i def seen more people picking up 20% drain than 5/5 ageless lmao

[dusty onyx]

so scornful blood is a straight mult to total dmg

assuming there's one target to drain

[velvet forge]

Would yall recommend I take advantage of the Chaos Rip node if I'm running flay? It seems like a great option for this cold build since it also has a conversion + the Chance of Snow node on chaos bolts seems cool :D

[abstract summit]

generally yes but be advised you are opening up a can of worms called "mana management"

[velvet forge]

yea i was gonna say it seems really spendy

what are people doing to help with that?

beyond just paying attention to not go oom lol

I'm still trying to see if I'm trying to go ailment with frostbite or just lean into the cold damage. Is chaos bolts good either way?

[abstract summit]

if you lean into it it's gonna do more damage than everything else combined

at which point might as well do it full time but well

you need executioner tithe and couple hundred mana

[velvet forge]

Yea executioner tithe with this does seem insane regardless of what damage type you choose 😅

[fervent mulch]

is abscene of life on aura of decay affected by healing effect?

[pearl snow]

If you want a more frostbite-y setup CB may also not be the best choice. CB benefits mostly from on hit cold dmg rather than Frostbite

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[velvet forge]

That's what I was asking with my question, poorly phrased on my part

Trying to decide if I want to go ailment or not so was curious if cb was good regardless

[pearl snow]

CB is great for DoTs when self cast because of the number of bolts

Or as Warlock with fissure stuff

[velvet forge]

If I was to go some sort of attack speed frostbite situation using flay, do you have a recommendation in place of cb?

Originally was gonna try speccing harvest but cb seemed strong if I wanted to go cold

[pearl snow]

I’d check AoD I think it can convert now. Otherwise you could so some sort of rip blood or harvest setup and use cb purely as a proccer of those plus Army of Skin Boots

Cb would do well with cold hit dmg too

[velvet forge]

Yes I have AoD on there as it converts now!

current specs are reaper form, cb, flay, aod, death seal

all converted to cold

[kind forge]

also harvest

[pearl snow]

Im currently doing AoD poison and leaning into AS and poison spirits is doing well

[velvet forge]

yes originally had harvest in place of cb

[pearl snow]

But for frotsbite youd probably dip a bit into mana and proc harvest or rup

[kind forge]

int scaling harvest will give more frostbite chance ... and int scaling aura of decay scales their cold resists

[obtuse quest]

AIYAYAYA I need mana gain per harvst used in that stupid setup

I frogot to solve the mana issue

[kind forge]

trigger harvest from chaos bolt

[pearl snow]

yeah mana gain on harvest chest affix would go crazy

[velvet forge]

ok cool these were sort of my lines of thought too, I appreciate the input guys!

i'll just have to decide what seems more fun :D cold hit or frostbite

[pearl snow]

Cold hit can also dex stack and have dodge

[formal sparrow]

Eh reap kinda does too

[obtuse quest]

Issue:Only works in direct cast.

[obtuse quest]

Reap has a fixed range. Transplant's range is your screen size.

[sweet spade]

@formal sparrow Reap is far too short distance... ie, you couldn't jump over uberoth green wave/root with it.

[formal sparrow]

Idk im always out regening degen

[formal sparrow]

Hm ifk never tried abberoth

[sweet spade]

O...okay nvm

[obtuse quest]

Just run both and make reap independent cd lmao

[sweet spade]

I don't use reap at all in mana flay build. Am I meant to?

[obtuse quest]

Are you using reaper form? It's technically free damage and free speed.

[abstract summit]

imagine if i was playing harvest flay lmao

@charred ridge just for reference would this be a good imprint base or i need both T7s to not be sealed?

[charred ridge]

test it

I've heard the sealed tier can transfer to a regular affix

[abstract summit]

oh naicu

[charred ridge]

but i have not verified myself

[willow current]

do we use the manafused stormcarved relic due to the flat mana and lightning res or is there more to it as well?

[abstract summit]

guess could do it for science, not that i need vit

[charred ridge]

im quite interested in the answer so let me know

[abstract summit]

sure thing

gonna take some time tho cause im not yet in the phase where im just running follies lol

[charred ridge]

the vit will reroll to another affix anyway but as long as it procs more double t7s you'll know

[abstract summit]

ye and i can just attribute change the dex

if that's how it works it actually could be giga

[charred ridge]

well the dex will also reroll

exalted affixes almost always reroll when an imprint procs

i think reroll chance scales with affix tier

[obtuse quest]

Maxroll's setup? Pretty much.

[abstract summit]

ah okay not gonna f around ith an oerden then

hate that echo lol

[charred ridge]

yep rofl

[abstract summit]

wait

[charred ridge]

im gonna make a written guide about how to craft 77 legendaries in details cause that question gets asked a million times a day

[abstract summit]

what happens if i get a good proc. i put item in stash, log over to a sentinel, and hit it with an envy

will it change to sent base type?

[charred ridge]

i fell asleep to it now im waking up to it 😂

[charred ridge]

i doubt it

you can try though (try it on a shit item first)

but crafting is related to the item not the class you're on

[abstract summit]

on paper I guess ye

also marrowshard is a shit skill 😄

[obtuse quest]

You have seen the light.

Even if it does good damage it is ass for other reasons

[abstract summit]

my stash got a new category for imprint bases 😄

[charred ridge]

ye lol got to

i won't touch mshards cause im an ethical player and i never abuse bugs 🙂

you can keep 3 imprints for each gear slot in case you gotta craft different affixes

like keep 77/xx, 7x/7x and xx/77

[dusty onyx]

what's the bug on marrow?

[obtuse quest]

Some multipliers are bugged to be a pendulum, sometimes lower sometimes MUCH higher

[abstract summit]

ye let me just farm 33 77s quickly

[abstract summit]

im guessing it totally has nothing to do with you being on holiday and Jesse's already fully completed limit testing XD

[lost gale]

I can't work out which mastery is best for scaling sacrifice

[abstract summit]

im gonna say prob not bladedancer

[lost gale]

probably not, but marksman is promising

[dusty onyx]

From what I experienced, it deals more dmg if there're multiple targets on the way. For single target dps, it seems to be consistent.

[velvet forge]

Friends I'm curious of your thoughts again. Decided I'm gonna try to go frostbite. Would traitor's tongue be a useful offhand despite the fact I'm not going for hit damage? The potential 4 points for harvest + flay seems really nice and it has the built in attack speed affix

I see people utilizing traitor's tongue + velocyn's jaw but that seems like it wouldn't be too useful for me even though 8 extra points sounds funny, so was gonna just go the dot scimitar for primary

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZqPMLB
I'm struggling with this build, the gist of it is to use zombies to sacrifice skeletons which is kind of interesting because it's the only way I've found to correlate the rate of skeleton creation/death with the rate at which sacrifice is triggered via the 30% to make a zombie on minion death node and it also saves a lot of mana on sacrifice because of the discount zombies get.

It's also a way to have Summon Skeletons be the skill you want to be actively casting which seems important to get away from the build being bottlenecked by skelly 3s revive timer assuming you can make the mana work. -mana cost for sacrifice plus zombies discount has been easily sustainable when I've tried it but it's hardly free to use wands/staffs to get it.

IDK whether to scale ailments or hit/crit, I think you want to be low-life because it's much easier to get the sacrifice minion with more HP than you damage bonus that way without any investment in minion HP and that's a significant multiplier.

One awkard feature of the build is that chain sacrifice has a tendency to bunch up skeleton death & revive timers which makes it more likely you'll waste revives by hitting your skelly cap but it's still considerably faster to turn skeletons into damage than cruelty.

But what to do with all that? Spell damage? Bleeds? Poison?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,166, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 161%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 18 Int / 2 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 104% / 24%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 233
▸ Armor Mitigation: 2% (43)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Sacrifice / Summon Volatile Zombie

[obtuse quest]

If you take chain, you can't take bone nova which would actually extend the damage and make it a bigger aoe, but all it's 'buffs' require you casting them even though it would all benefit DoT, so....

I dunno

[lost gale]

the global DOT buffs that you can get are so much less efficient per point than the normal damage mods on sacrifice

and bone nova would cut into the mana sustain considerably

I think the hit-rate is going to be high enough anyway

[royal orchid]

Has anyone had problems with harvest skill shards/gear not dropping the entire game? I'm at monos 300 and I still haven't seen a single one...

[lost gale]

like those buffs absolutely make sense for flickering shadows & infernal shade but i'm less convinced they're good for sacrifice applying ailments itself

[vapid zenith]

what's AS ? I'll try a poison build so I'm curious about yours. Unfortunately I think nothing will beat flay > triggers CB even for ailments

[tepid junco]

anyone got a planner for flay with rare gear?

[astral kettle]

Am I the only one who find the Bone Curse skill tree to be kind of ass?

[sweet spade]

some are just insanely rare, like channeling cost reduction etc

[obtuse quest]

Then we can treat is as both works.
Question is what is better is hard to tell on paper now.

[obtuse quest]

Att speed. Poison can't really use CB because cb doesn't have support for poison.

[obtuse quest]

Life is full of suffering. I hope you marked it in your filter. It is just rare.

[obtuse quest]

Depends on your definition of ass.

[obtuse quest]

rare gear as in?

[astral kettle]

I don't see anything good there other than increased damage and mark for death.

[lost gale]

with poison overload all things are possible

[abstract summit]

first reroll lmao

[sweet spade]

grats

[abstract summit]

i went to 300 corr with this 👀 build is kinda good

[sweet spade]

are you mana flay

[royal orchid]

It is marked cause I just had an off hand +1 harvest drop now but it was my first xddd

[sweet spade]

man, vault of the barnacle king is actually hard with how hard the lizard dots tick

[abstract summit]

ofc

[sweet spade]

how does your health work in reaper? mine is just 50% of max, and my ward pretty much never goes up, is this normal

[abstract summit]

you have corrupted form, it has nothing to do with reaper

[obtuse quest]

increased damage
Your bone curse does damage?

The better part of bone curse is:
Auto recast from Cursed Limbs.
Armour shred.
Bleed+ Rip Blood on expiring.
Illusion of Pain line that lets you gain crit effects easier.
Bone prison for minion sac-like effects.

[vapid zenith]

you can get a lot of poison chance outside, CB has %more dot dmg per missing health and lot of hits which makes it great for ailments. Probably way worse than bleed though

[obtuse quest]

Assuming no passive node effects:
100% health, basically 2nd health bar, but drains, drain increases over time. Work as if it's your usual health bar so all DR and endurance applies.

[obtuse quest]

MUCH worse because it has bleed support like bleed chance inside the tree and more physical dot per cold res

[vapid zenith]

yeah but poison is green and better looking

check mate

[obtuse quest]

[sweet spade]

basically when im zooming, my hp is always like this

469 ward often goes to 0 (I guess it's the health loss on kill thing)

and 1307 yoyos when i go out of combat for too long

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that's pretty much reaper form in a nutshell, reaper form disables health regen.

No leech= byebye reaper form

[sweet spade]

running around with 1.3k health seems sketchy af

[obtuse quest]

Well you technically have 2.6k.

[abstract summit]

you realize it is self inflicted right

[sweet spade]

yes D:

[abstract summit]

ok 😄

get this, no more survival problems (after EHG fixes their shite)

[sweet spade]

👀

[sweet spade]

am def thinking about it

[abstract summit]

hooolyyyy

[obtuse quest]

Disgusting

[abstract summit]

you got a nice pair 👀

now proceed to never slam it cause you are forever chasing that double T7 😄

[velvet forge]

speaking of army of skin would that pair be good for ailment? :D was looking at army of skin vs raindance for my lil frostbite guy

[abstract summit]

if you wanna frostbite you are doing snowdrift

[velvet forge]

o duh

lol

[sweet spade]

25% ms too, the AS is mid, but whatever

but yeah, where tf am i going to find anything to slam with

[rancid lodge]

how do i get my abom healing to outscale the damage from this? no matter what i seem to do it just always ends up dying from it

[autumn bough]

U summon skeeltons

[true surge]

Does anyone know if "Aura of decay"s talent "Inoculation" is converted to "physical damage -%" when you have "Blood font"? I have read the description of "Blood font" multiple times but im not 100% sure it covers "Inoculation". Does anyone know?

[crisp ridge]

@obtuse quest send help, i got my 2nd before i got the sword unique im looking for 😭

took me ages just to get shattered chains

[abstract summit]

nemesis tower woven echo

[abstract summit]

now use the left to reroll the right 😄

[charred ridge]

just make sure you don't use the right to reroll the left

or you'll be sad 😂

[abstract summit]

this chest aint proccing Noobzor 😭

[crisp ridge]

all i want is eye of reen 😭

[charred ridge]

honestly if you aren't farming troves it can take quite a while lol

but maybe the info i got was wrong too

[obtuse quest]

Yes, it follows converts.

[charred ridge]

but yeah it's probably still too early to come to a conclusion

[obtuse quest]

My condolences.

[abstract summit]

gonna run some i guess tomorrow just to see if it can even drop

[rancid lodge]

have no space in my hotbar for skele's

[abstract summit]

from all of my... checks notes.... 15k amber

[charred ridge]

well if you don't have anything better to imprint it's not like it really costs you anything

[abstract summit]

im just imprinting my uncompleted echoes for the point but kinda only have 2-3 left so no biggie

my build almost resembles now a working version lol

[charred ridge]

those don't share the same slots anyway

[tepid junco]

yeah like lvl60

[obtuse quest]

I would put a gif here but it would be rude.

All Lich builds requires uniques or you will be suffering through it.

In flay's case, any setup before lv 80 ish is masochistic.

[tepid junco]

alright then am gona stay with lock til then

[abstract summit]

imma put 5 in dark protection and yall cant stop me

[vivid ruin]

I did flay at 50ish, as soon as I had 2x t3 added necro damage. It was strong already.

Better once the uniques popped ofc.

[tepid junco]

do you still have the planner?
am at lvl49

[charred ridge]

i think i also did lol and i put points in the ward on kill

[abstract summit]

CRINGE

[charred ridge]

i don't have the boots yet 😂

[abstract summit]

Mr. "ifyouspendmorethanoneaffixondefensethatscringe"

[charred ridge]

it's true

i only have 1 affix though

[vivid ruin]

I didn't use a planner while leveling. Just for my late game builds; which I do have. I'll pm you a (slightly outdated) planner of mid game, you can extrapolate from there.

[abstract summit]

but 25 passives is fine lmao

[trail arch]

I was today years old when I learned you could put your own uniques in place of a nemesis egg 😐

[abstract summit]

i fakken hate the ward on kill passive because it has a channeling line so i feel like im not getting full value for my points lol
never spec it even on lock

[charred ridge]

rofl

nahh ward on kill is pretty giga ngl

even without the other lines

[tepid junco]

thankyou

[abstract summit]

we have 3 easy curses only right?

[charred ridge]

it's impressive just how effective the glove affix is

35 ward on kill

that carries

[obtuse quest]

But that's the best part for nemesis!

[trail arch]

Yeah I cannot believe I never knew about it lol

[charred ridge]

idk, we bone curse MFD and what?

[abstract summit]

expose whatever in flay

[charred ridge]

that's curse tagged? interesting

expose flesh

[abstract summit]

i mean only reason im speccing it 😄

3 is kinda worth just not sure if we can get more easily, but i guess not

[charred ridge]

that's cool i missed that lol

[obtuse totem]

ive been trying strands of souls for ward generation

we spend a lot of mana

[charred ridge]

you consume a lot of mana

you don't spend that much

chaos bolts don't give you mana

[obtuse totem]

does that not count?

[charred ridge]

nope

[obtuse totem]

that is very unfortunate

[charred ridge]

yep

[subtle rampart]

Norm skills or not

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omE1Wn8o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 63

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (32) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 818, Regen: 31.86/s
▸ Mana: 115.82, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 93%, Regen: 43/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 14 Int / 0 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 35% / 6% / 17% / 83% / 33% / 107% / 39%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 164
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (61)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (153)

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Marrow Shards / Flay / Aura Of Decay / Rip Blood

[abstract summit]

yo we could pump it up to 5 it only needs spirit plague XD

[charred ridge]

man is trying to play flay warlock

[vivid ruin]

Does it cast for free from flay somehow?

[obtuse totem]

why are we curse maxxing?

[vivid ruin]

warlock passive

for less damage

I reckon, jjust do more damage. Hard to die when they're dead.

[subtle rampart]

Flay it's amazing skill of lich.

[abstract summit]

okay, hear me out. pearls of the swine has a LOT of stats

[charred ridge]

LOL

i wasn't even using it on chthonic fissure levelling

[obtuse quest]

Real

[abstract summit]

imagine if you self apply penance XD

that would be funny

[vivid ruin]

None of them are mana tho.

[abstract summit]

technically not true, it has 4 mana on it

[vivid ruin]

What C you at where you're wanting dark prot for more survivability?

[obtuse quest]

Do you know this causes a lot of weird tech

[vivid ruin]

I thought about it but couldnt justify 10 points for it.

[abstract summit]

350 kek