💀┃acolyte

[charred ridge]

these nodes should work right?

[brisk elk]

one thing you can do is use transient rest instead of the flay boots

60% of your mana as ward every 2 secs

[grim rune]

Yes this node works

[brisk elk]

meaning 1800 ward if you have 3k mana

[charred ridge]

ye transient rest is pretty strong

[obtuse totem]

well the mana issue is the speed we're casting flay right

because it costs 18

[grim rune]

The extra chaos bolts and big bolt doesn’t work

With flay

[charred ridge]

18 mana cost is essentially nothing really

when you're working with that kind of mana pool

[little wigeon]

Should yea, it's the projectile not the casting of it

[charred ridge]

might have to cast harvest once every minute or two 🤷‍♀️

[grim rune]

Aren’t we shooting like 1000 chaos bolts

A second ?

[brisk elk]

@obtuse totem you get 30% of your mana back when your harvest a rare

btw

[charred ridge]

not sure how you calculate how many flays you can cast per second

[little wigeon]

CB costs 2 mana then returns 2 mana

[brisk elk]

attack speed * flay attack ratio

[grim rune]

Yes but the extra mana for dmg is 13mana

[charred ridge]

where do you get that "flay attack ratio" though

[brisk elk]

if you attack 3x a second but get 900 mana back when you use harvest

i think you're chilling

[charred ridge]

the only info i can get on animation speed for skills is that thing on LEtools

[brisk elk]

"base speed"

[charred ridge]

which really doesnt seem accurate

i mean maybe im wrong and it is accurate

[jovial lotus]

I'm more interested in how this'll look ingame, cus ur just gonna be vomiting a wave of chaos bolts lol

[brisk elk]

it is

if you have 100% attack speed you use flay 2.2 times per second

[charred ridge]

what's "use delay" and "use duration"?

[grim rune]

Have u ever played poe?

[brisk elk]

animation length and how long before the dmg goes off

[grim rune]

It will look like that. D

[little wigeon]

If you choose that node at 13% chance so every 8 CB

[grim rune]

Node goes up with%

[jovial lotus]

[charred ridge]

ok im down to blindly believe it but im also really skeptical

[little wigeon]

That's a pretty hefty investment tbh and probably not worth

[brisk elk]

you can see the numbers in game as well right

consider also that each weapon has a base atk ratio that multiplies iwth that

btw

[grim rune]

I feel like that node alone can explode ur mana when we are casting like 1000 bolts

[brisk elk]

the axe and dagger are 1.09 and 1.1 respectively so you will multiply that by 1.095

[little wigeon]

1000 bolts would require alot of mana pool lol 😆 it's every 100mana

[charred ridge]

nah ok i believe it

if you take the "bolts have a 39% chance to do 30% more dmg for 13 mana" you end up at +5 mana cost for bolts on average

[brisk elk]

where are we getting 1000 from buddy

if you attack 3x per second with 3k mana you are casting 90 a second

[little wigeon]

It's also only 30% multi divided by how many it takes to get that. I don't think it's worth especially with the skills it takes to get there

[grim rune]

That was like a joke. We spam 1000cbs a second

[abstract summit]

ye the CBs are free, but the mana anarchy would mess you up

[grim rune]

And I was afraid this node will fk our mana

[brisk elk]

my bad homie im on the spectrum just a bit

[charred ridge]

u can probably sustain 1 point but ye it wouldnt be enough dmg to be worth the hassle of casting harvest

[brisk elk]

yeah idk if the extra mana consumption node is worth

[abstract summit]

+200 mana consumed per second is no joke 😄

[brisk elk]

for an average dps increase of like 11%

[abstract summit]

when your baseline is like 80-90ish already

[brisk elk]

i probably wont use that node since i think transient rest is op

[charred ridge]

it's just too bad the CB tree is worthless

[brisk elk]

would rather stay at full mana

[abstract summit]

your mana intake on 3k mana pool with the harvest stuff is 1k per 5 sec, so you are over the budget with it

[brisk elk]

by the way do we know if it will proc destructive intensity

[grim rune]

Just don’t go cb tree and cook something without it lmao

[molten bramble]

Unless something changes that node is only for direct casts

[abstract summit]

but i mean again if we are already talking about 5 seconds phasing uber you probably spec it

[charred ridge]

should def grab this tho

[brisk elk]

marrow shards does disgusting damage but you only get 1 proc per flay max

[charred ridge]

i think you been spreadsheeting without this node wacsa?

it's like a free 6%

[abstract summit]

without cause we needed ignite from an idol otherwise

[charred ridge]

ah

[brisk elk]

i agree not worth

[abstract summit]

which we can drop now, that's 2 more mana small idols, and that's better

[brisk elk]

this is why i dont like last epoch's 5 skill system

you cant do anything with points

i would rather put 10 points into each of two skills sometimes

[charred ridge]

i mean the system is fine it's just the trees could be expanded

most trees are very railroaded right now

[brisk elk]

idk it seels somewhat limiting by nature

[charred ridge]

i guess so they can keep the meta under control a little bit

[brisk elk]

i doubt last epoch 2 will have it work this way

[grim rune]

Doesn’t this go back to frostbite cbs

[charred ridge]

yeye i got it need ignite

[molten bramble]

Which is better the idol or cold conv? for dmg.

[kind forge]

no

[abstract summit]

fire imo

[molten bramble]

k

[abstract summit]

also get some icnreased on it from the warlock passive

[brisk elk]

its a tiny difference, so pick the element that you prefer the color of

👍

[abstract summit]

okay so what's the truly unethical version, double mana seed?

[little wigeon]

And immolators 40 fire spell

[charred ridge]

i just looked at the passive tree in that planner u can go more zhp for dmg

[abstract summit]

oh ye for sure

[brisk elk]

im not planning to go zhp but i am curious what you come up with

[abstract summit]

this started out as "we also like some chonk with our damage" before devolved into one tapping uber

or well, evolved 😄

[charred ridge]

i mean its nothing groundbreaking just drop the survivability nodes add dmg

[brisk elk]

the other thing is, this build can be extremely tanky because of the sheer hitrate of cursed bolts which give you 16 health per hit

[little wigeon]

And rip bloods stonks

[brisk elk]

90 hits x 16 health is 1440 health/second just from the cursed bolts alone

[grim rune]

Rip blood into ward

[little wigeon]

Yup

[molten bramble]

I prefer building balancing dmg and defense but you can certainly go glass canon with a few modifications

[brisk elk]

which is why low life is cheeks for this build imo

bolts give you a zillion health

[grim rune]

I mean let’s be real u just go red rings slap some resists and u do 1kc

[brisk elk]

not even including leech

[charred ridge]

ye im just having fun with uber

[grim rune]

We want fast uber

[little wigeon]

Noobzor: do you know who I am
Lol 😆

Time rot king

Rip falconer

[abstract summit]

so 20% mana on seed is 3492 mana

[brisk elk]

by the way

[abstract summit]

need 8 more kek

[brisk elk]

why are we even speccing harvest

[molten bramble]

I think with the julra's a diff chest and maybe a more offensive helm you could get to sub 30 secs

[brisk elk]

with 6 dexterity

[little wigeon]

Global crit and nec shred

[grim rune]

This chaos bolt spam reminds me of s0 profane veil bug with barricade giving me 200k ward

[brisk elk]

you need aura of decay somewhere to actually stay in lich form when you arent hitting somethign

[grim rune]

Was fun

[kind forge]

im so happy that marrow shards might be used again

its been soo long

[brisk elk]

marrow shards has been strong people just dont like lich

[molten bramble]

You have leech to bridge the gap and even if you drop the reset on reaper form should be quick since you can take the cd node in flay

[kind forge]

wish it would have gotten a bit of a tree update cuz it hasnt changed since its release lel ... then again the tree is kinda good

[abstract summit]

dawg movement speed on boots, hell no 😄

there is my 8 int

[charred ridge]

builds don't go sub 30 seconds unless they have single blow burst dmg

which isn't the case for this build

[brisk elk]

the tree is wayyyy better than chaos bolts tree

[charred ridge]

it'll go 35-40s

[brisk elk]

you just only proc one per cast

[molten bramble]

Fair

[charred ridge]

https://youtu.be/5PZ_JZPrZXY

that was my first sub 30s and it skipped the last transition (healing)

[brisk elk]

the thing is

[kind forge]

true ... oh ye btw aura of decay can give minions 100% frostbite chance uwu ...

[brisk elk]

if ur "zhp" anyways

[charred ridge]

if you don't fully skip something you're bottlencked at like 35s+

unfortunately

[brisk elk]

why not drop the armor blessing for necro shred

then drop harvest for aura

[molten bramble]

Yeah RP blows

[brisk elk]

and never drop out of reaper

[kind forge]

so ye we can now give a minion 200% frostbite chance

100% from chaos bolt and 100% from aura of decay

[molten bramble]

how are you capping crit

and you lose 32 crit multi

[kind forge]

technically its a little more than 200%

[abstract summit]

hehe the increased necrotic damage while transformed wasnt even counted before on seed kek

[brisk elk]

havent got that far but i dont like dropping out of reaper form

[kind forge]

256%

[brisk elk]

so i will amost certainly be using aura

[kind forge]

56% from necro tree

[vapid belfry]

if im trying to cook a bleed build should i be focusing on flay or marrow?

both seem kinda good

[little wigeon]

Yeah that's a T7 crit chance you lose from dropping harvest

[abstract summit]

double mana seed, 3500 mana

[brisk elk]

low life flay chaos bolts

[grim rune]

Nice

[brisk elk]

chaos bolts do more dot per missing health

and more physical dot per cold res

they have crazy bleed potential

[little wigeon]

But you will have to take the 50% max hp passive cuz of the cb healing right?

[abstract summit]

like this is billions of MG gear tho, everything is literally max rolled and stuff

[mighty tundra]

Does anyone know if Harvests "deals double damage to cursed" apply to the hit or also to ailments?

[kind forge]

nevermind

256+56 from lich

[brisk elk]

or you just get a bunch of health drain

and a lot of max hp

[charred ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYjOVx0A

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,010, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,422, Regen: 19.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 170%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 5 Dex / 85 Int / 5 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 21% / 21% / 21% / 29% / 29% / 70% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 693
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,939)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[brisk elk]

plus death seal exists

[charred ridge]

can change passives to smth like this

[kind forge]

312% frostbite chance

for minions

[brisk elk]

death seal works for low life builds now, doesnt delete ward anymore

very useful

[little wigeon]

Tru just bad uptime, was thinking that a bit

[brisk elk]

you could unironically get close to 100% current health drained per second

[abstract summit]

ah we are double abusing %mana now too? 😄

[kind forge]

324% if you use the set catalyst

wait

is this actually not a meme

[little wigeon]

Oh wow that would be interesting however I still feel like on hit heals way too much. Would be curios to see how fast* that goes down

[obtuse totem]

How do the % mana effects work together. Do they multiply each other or do they add into one big number then multiply mana by that

[vapid belfry]

tbf at that point wouldnt it just be better to drop flay and go full into chaos bolts with the new primordial gloves?

[charred ridge]

additive

[vapid belfry]

also that chaos bolt talent in the flay tree seems....really shit

am i missing something?

[obtuse totem]

So 98% increased mana not 20% then 30% on that etc?

[brisk elk]

you could manual cast sure

its preference i guess

[kind forge]

324% minion frostbite chance and 75% more frostbite damage to minions in aura of decay

[obtuse totem]

Get 3-4k mana and 3_4 attacks per second and shoot several hundred chaos bolts per second

[brisk elk]

at that point jsut go warlock

[charred ridge]

not sure where you got 98% from but yeah it's like 20+30+whatever %

[brisk elk]

and use the rift

[brisk elk]

do the gloves not work with flay?

[abstract summit]

lold 😄

[brisk elk]

flay procs bleed on itself, the blood splatter, the chaos bolts, and the rip blood

hitrate maxxing

[charred ridge]

it's probably mostly shit for ailment builds since you don't get the "more spell dmg" part of it

so you'd have to mana stack for essentially no reason

[little wigeon]

Then aura for for pen 👀

[grim rune]

Gloves would work better with bleed warlock

[brisk elk]

maybe

[vapid belfry]

shouldve been more specific, i was talking about the ones that convert all dot to bleed

[brisk elk]

im not playing ailment tho 💀

[grim rune]

I only managed 9.7m vs lv100 tho with bleed lock

[vapid belfry]

since you can have your chaos bolts inflict both bleed and ignite

[abstract summit]

reaper will kinda drop without leech no?

[brisk elk]

if you go cold chaos bolts (which you would want to for bleed) you dont get ignite

[vapid belfry]

the issue with chaos bolts and flay is flay casts a chaos bolt, not bolts

[charred ridge]

oh u right, though rip blood can maybe carry (with no ward conversion)

can also just remove the leech thing and keep the rest

[vapid belfry]

frostbite, ignite, its all the same

[abstract summit]

ye i think scronful setup woould need to be reaperless, so it's not free damage but prob still a net positive

[vapid belfry]

they all become bleed anyway

[charred ridge]

or yeah go without reaper form

[brisk elk]

yeah which is good

[charred ridge]

either one

i also think no reaper form is more dmg

but its a hassle for sure

[brisk elk]

chaos bolts do more HIT damage to bleeding/frostbite/ignite/damned

for dot builds you dont need anything but bleed

[charred ridge]

well it's a hassle if you have to redo your crit, otherwise its w/e

[brisk elk]

but yeah, warlock is probably better for cb ailments

ngl

well ailments in general

its kinda their thing

[grim rune]

For new gloves bleed hammeradin wins anyway

[abstract summit]

prob move 5 from dance into grasp of fate as well

[brisk elk]

never played it idk if its better

[vapid belfry]

i mean yeah, but they also deal more dot damage

[charred ridge]

if you dont go low life yeah

[brisk elk]

what

[grim rune]

5000% bleed chance with like 1.4k bleed dmg with fully pen

[kind forge]

ok wow

this is not meme anymore

[vapid belfry]

cant post the pic but "a grave for two"

unless im misunderstanding it

[brisk elk]

yeah but you dont need other ailemnts for that

just go bleed

if ur going bleed

and look at "torment of the red tundra"

[kind forge]

100% frostbite chance from chaos bolt
100% frostbite chance from aura of decay
56% frostbite chance from necro mastery
56% frostbite chance from lich mastery
12% frostbite chance from liches scorn
75% frostbite damage to minions inside of aura of decay

[brisk elk]

the cold bolts specifically support physical dot

so you get 1% more dmg per 20 missing health and another multiplicative 1% mroe dmg per 4 cold res

[grim rune]

Please do check fissure additionally

[kind forge]

just need to find a good minion to use it

[grim rune]

If u go lock

[brisk elk]

cryomancer

[kind forge]

prob

crylich uwu

[brisk elk]

i mean people are going cold necro for next patch

lich might work but why lich over necro

[kind forge]

if you go lich you can take the passive that counters the inteligence scaling on AoD

[brisk elk]

by the way you will def want serpents milk

200% poison chance which you can convert to frostbite for minions

[vapid belfry]

i mean yeah but like if i have 5 points leftover in the tree i might as well got for that ingnite/frostbite chance as it gets converted to bleed anyway

[kind forge]

i dont think it does that?

[charred ridge]

necro has the major downside of having minions

[vapid belfry]

ig the other choice is put 3 points into extra projectiles

[kind forge]

isnt the 100% on aura of decay flat?

[brisk elk]

cryomancer converts poison chance to frostbite

[kind forge]

wrong

it converts it to chill

[brisk elk]

?

[old hull]

Hit only

[brisk elk]

oh

bruh

[kind forge]

wish it didnt

wish it was frostbite

[brisk elk]

how so

if ur going cold conversion it will reduce cold res no?

[kind forge]

reaper form

[abstract summit]

ok

got to 4119 mana

[brisk elk]

"all of its effects related to poison and poison resistance are converted to frostbite and cold resistance"

[abstract summit]

double t7 unethical helm and chest

[molten bramble]

Int on the rings tripling also gives more mana

[mighty tundra]

OK thanks

[charred ridge]

4119 kind of a lot ngl

even sorc didnt have that much

[kind forge]

reaper form has the same mechanic just in reverse

[brisk elk]

thats with unobtainable gear tbf

[abstract summit]

ye got all of that, i think, but it's getting giga complex lol

[charred ridge]

whats unobtainable, the double mana?

im not gonna repeat myself on that matter lol i think u got it

[brisk elk]

where

[abstract summit]

20 max rolled 1x1 idols 😄

[charred ridge]

if we're talking about roll ranges then ye for sure

[abstract summit]

but just a matter of playtime

[kind forge]

cold converting reaper form turns the +1% poison res per int into +1% cold res

[charred ridge]

real numbers are gonna be lower

[molten bramble]

alot of the double T7 slams are going to take a few weeks

[charred ridge]

yeah for sure

[kind forge]

phys converting makes it phys res instead

[charred ridge]

though we know how to farm them now so it won't take as long as 1.2

[brisk elk]

i dont see that

it just says it changes the dmg of reap

[kind forge]

OH

dang

[abstract summit]

i mean we gonna wreck uber with 1/3rd of this damage then reroll to something not giving us eye cancer

[kind forge]

nvm

[charred ridge]

wouldnt be surprised if somebody's decked out in double t7s in 14 days

[kind forge]

the phys one does work like that tho

but sad

[brisk elk]

i think you could easily make up the missing cold res as a necro

and get more dmg

tbh

necro gets a bunch of free elemental res anyways

[kind forge]

probably but it would have been convenient

[molten bramble]

Can you explain how to farm for them. I am assuming it has to do with imprinting logic, can you give me a TLDR. I quit last season before it got solved I guess.

[brisk elk]

imprinting mana shit as a merchants guild player could potentially print money

lol

[charred ridge]

i mean the first part is obviously getting one to drop in the first place, for that you can either grind your ass off, do nemesis towers, the meta strat (it's an extremely cringe one) is to get a group of 4 and share your woven echoes so you can do more nemesis towers to get your first double t7s

[kind forge]

assuming they dont gut it

[charred ridge]

then you imprint those items and run unclaimed troves (woven echo with a bunch of chests, which have a decent chance to proc imprints), once again you can be cringe and run a team of 4 and share your woven echoes

or you can do it solo

[charred ridge]

and the key is to imprint a 771x item (double t7, tier 1 affix, empty affix slot) so it can easily be crafted and slammed

[brisk elk]

I also think cold hit minions is stronger than frostbite

you get so much flat cold dmg from the lcih scorn catalyst

[abstract summit]

ok, at this point we just gotta assume they are reading this chat and will release this CB proc already pre nerfed lol

[kind forge]

probably

[kind forge]

lich scorn also applies to frostbite dmg too tho

[obtuse totem]

How is dial such an insanely high increase?

[charred ridge]

if you want two t7 prefixes then you'll imprint x1/77 (as in, two t7 suffixes), craft the prefix you want, seal the t1, craft the other prefix you want, slam havoc runes until you get 77 prefixes

[molten bramble]

Does it matter what the double T7 is or you just get a double T7 put it in until you get a double T7 that has 1 of the stats you want then you imprint that and keep going for what you are looking for? right?

[charred ridge]

and then just slam on the sanctum

[brisk elk]

t7 necrotic dmg x3 i assume

[abstract summit]

and int which is mana and mana which is mana

[charred ridge]

it doesn't matter what affixes are on your imprint (though it does help a bit if the t1 is what you want to slam), what matters is that the exalted affixes are on the opposite side of what you want to slam (so if you want to slam prefixes, you want to imprint exalted suffixes, and vice versa)

[abstract summit]

and all of that mana is getting slammed with an extra 110% increase kek, then it double dips into both proc rate and damage

[charred ridge]

the reason essentially is that t1 mods tend not to reroll the affix, but exalted mods tend to almost always reroll the affix

[molten bramble]

thanks that makes sense

[charred ridge]

but you can deterministically craft anything anyway so if your t1 is not what you want it's fine, it'll just take a little more forging potential

the key is to always have a good imprint, if your first imprint isn't suitable then you can wait for a proc and try to craft the proc into a better imprint

[brisk elk]

you need the glyph that shuffles tiers right

how rare are those

[charred ridge]

you need runes of havoc yes

they're decently rare before uber

but not that rare

you'll prob get about 30 by the time you kill uber?

[brisk elk]

oh doable

[charred ridge]

then uber drops ~2 on avg

[abstract summit]

tldr t7 whatever, t7 whatever, t1 of what i want, empty slot. craft my other slam in the empty slot of every new drop, rotate it around till win?

[charred ridge]

so once you can kill uber it's no longer a limited resource

yeah

something like that

honestly the t1 doesnt have to be what you want cause you can always seal it and craft what you want

[molten bramble]

You recommend doing a little bit of crafting to get a good imprint base, just as long as you do not use up too much FP?

[charred ridge]

but it's a bonus if you can get it

[abstract summit]

ye that's my follow up question as well lol

[charred ridge]

yeah so like, always craft on your procs and not your imprint cause you don't wanna brick your only imprint. but once you get a proc you can fish for a better imprint without using much fp

if you end up using too much fp for it to be a viable imprint you can just attempt to craft the actual item that you're going for

who knows maybe you get lucky

[mighty tundra]

ok I'm happy. Got Bleed flay to 33 million

[charred ridge]

like if you have 77/45 for example you'll have to gamble glyph of hope removals, which are quite likely to brick or use a ton of fp

[mighty tundra]

I apparently didn't know how to calculate shred and pen correctly 🥹

[charred ridge]

if you remove the right affix but use too much fp at this point you prob just try to craft your slam base

[gloomy crystal]

got a planner for that?

[mighty tundra]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70rpWOo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (69) / Warlock (24)

General:

▸ Health: 5,864, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 800.51, Regen: 17.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 208%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 27 Dex / 104 Int / 12 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 63% / 63% / 97% / 65% / 113% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 1,290
▸ Dodge Chance: 35% (1229)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (965)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Harvest

[mighty tundra]

I need to triple check my calculations mind

so if u notice something is off with w/e you do please lemme know

[charred ridge]

getting the right imprint can definitely take some tinkering and it'll be time consuming to turn it into a good one, but eventually you'll get lucky

[mighty tundra]

this is aspirational btw

[charred ridge]

and even if your imprint only has like 25 fp you can still craft slam bases so you know, you get there one way or another

[gloomy crystal]

yea, aren't you at like 10% phys res with AoD up?

[mighty tundra]

I'm at 71% with the Respite node in AoD

but i do need to get that a lil higher so thank u

[gloomy crystal]

ah, fair, thanks for clarifyign

[mighty tundra]

might try roll for high enchant affixes on the 2 overload idols or just deal with it

[molten bramble]

Thanks for the info, I do not think I was using the imprint system to its fullest last season but I have a better idea this season.

[mighty tundra]

I haven't calculated for bleed erruptions on the 2nd hit nor for spectral flay because tbh i can't be bothered

[gloomy crystal]

fair, i'm still debating between bleed lich and froggies beastmaster

[mighty tundra]

oooh what's frogs like?

[charred ridge]

yeah having the right farming method definitely makes a huge difference. i had a lot of ppl asking me last season how i was getting all the 77 slams and from talking to ppl, it seemed like a lot of them had to farm maybe 5x the amount of imprints because they were not crafting properly

[mighty tundra]

i haven't looked at the frog stats yet

[gloomy crystal]

tongue attack is 30 base with 100% added effectiveness, stats scaling is absurd, 10 companions
could be roughly 3-4 wraithlords

[charred ridge]

the other part of imprint farming is you need to know how to generate memory ambers (since that's what allows you to buy nemesis towers and unclaimed trove woven echoes)

i think frozensentinel has a video on that (amber farming using cemetery of reweaving echoes)

and that part is also why group play is unfortunately superior

[mighty tundra]

oh wow

might look at that for a 3rd build

I need to figure out what I'm gonna be playing with my wife now since she's playing too 😭

Lich is for when we're working different times

[celest arch]

Noobzor you have a build worked out for lich season 3 , I followed a season 2 build of yours and it was nice .

[charred ridge]

scroll up for Bwz's flay chaos bolt build

[gloomy crystal]

i might go for minions if others in party also go for that, would be kinda hilarious to have a full menagerie as a group

[dark inlet]

is unethical Seed the cross-class slam?

[charred ridge]

yeah

i think it's ethical 🤷‍♀️

[tough grotto]

does abom devoureing a minion count as the minion dying?

[limber berry]

just double checking.

Does Great Harvest utilize Harvest spec points?

[vivid ruin]

How'd you get 450 frostbites/s? What's your frostbite chance?

[molten bramble]

if you want to push even harder I think well rolled swaddling gloves would be huge on dps

[vivid ruin]

Anyone theorycrafted the dumb fkn speare yet?

Spear + mana t7 everywhere.

[limber berry]

I honestly just think spear is an alt-power

[charred ridge]

true

weaver gloves are always so good

[brisk elk]

probably ask in sentinel chat

or something

im sure someone will be doing something broken with it

[charred ridge]

only issue is you're at the mercy of the weaver, and immortal vise are good enough anyway (and practical for maps)

[vivid ruin]

I'll do it today then. easy enough to clone a planner and toss epar in to see if it beats dual wielding.

[charred ridge]

but definitely agree that they're BiS theoretically for dmg

[vivid ruin]

Vise are uber abby yea?

[charred ridge]

yeah

it turns out i dont actually have a non-rogue/sentinel class on season so i can't try to equip it

but it's not class tagged

[brisk elk]

dont worry im sure they'll surprise hotfix it the day after we all craft it

😄

[charred ridge]

it would be funny if mana-stacking lich is what it takes for EHG to fix a bug

"oh no! people are starting to use the bug that's been in the game for years"

[celest arch]

Wish more Aussies played the game on Aus server , I have 4700hrs and like teaming up but never find any Aussies

[mighty tundra]

@gloomy crystal builds actually 30.5 million. Just realised I had a decimal place in the wrong spot for Harvest 😄

[vivid ruin]

What bug?

[mighty tundra]

I spent this whole time like "wtf why is harvest doing so much"

[gloomy crystal]

still good imo, although i doubt i'll be able to get double t7s for slams as a CoF player

[brisk elk]

% mana on legendaries being eqquipable on non rogue/sentinel

[charred ridge]

that the azure prefix (mana%) isn't class restricted when slammed on legendary items, even though the prefix is only for rogue and sentinel items

[mighty tundra]

I've been told it's doable with farming methods so I'm hopeful

[vivid ruin]

Good to know. On my drop filter it goes.

[mighty tundra]

I've never killed uber abberoth and my goal this league is to kill him on a homebrewed build

[charred ridge]

i'm guessing they have a hard time coming up with a solution considering you can only restrict an item to one class but the affix is available for 2 classes

[gloomy crystal]

keep in mind that a 2LP double t7 slam is a 33% chance basically, you'd need on average 3 double specific t7s for a good slam

[celest arch]

Double t7 is not hard , you just need amber and nem towers and troves for imprints . You shouldn’t use favor for exhalts

[gloomy crystal]

do you mind elaborating? never got that point before, quit after barely reaching max cof

[charred ridge]

scroll up tbh 😂

[old hull]

Mage abused it quite thoroughly for static orb in the past
They have since added the attribute swapper that lets you have off-class attributes on naturally now, too, which have a similar class restriction

[mighty tundra]

True. I'll calculate it out for single t7 also but as long as I get my mana and health up it should scale well

[old hull]

I don't expect them to fix it any time soon, but you never know

[charred ridge]

if we're talking about 1.1 when static orb was meta, they haven't cause unstable core was mage only so you actually couldn't slam azure onto that, and on the head slot you either wanted +2/4 static orb or intelligence

[mighty tundra]

man 3,713 ward per second I think I'm gonna fall in love with this body armour

[charred ridge]

so double mana was never possible or good

[celest arch]

Basically save amber to run many nem towers to farm double t7s with nemesis . Then imprint the double t7 to weaver tree . Then add folly to a map and troves around the folly echo . Then farm your imprint for the double t7s .

[charred ridge]

but yeah i guess some people have crafted double mana helmets in 1.1 but it definitely wasn't optimal

[gloomy crystal]

thanks

[old hull]

I don't remember when tbh, but I definitely remember mage chat talking about it a lot

[mighty tundra]

I'm saving this thanks

[charred ridge]

im pretty sure you're talking about 1.1

like i remember talking about it during that patch but it was more brainstorming and less actually crafting the items

you would definitely craft double mana chests if it was possible but it wasn't

[celest arch]

If cof only use for uniques rings Ammys and havocs . When min maxing you never use favour for exhalts really

I’m going MG this season since I always had too much favor for cof and ended up not even using the favour

[charred ridge]

static orb which btw is making a comeback in 1.3

[celest arch]

Will be my first time MG after always playing cof

[celest arch]

Oh they change mana for static orb ?

[charred ridge]

no

[celest arch]

What’s changed for the comeback

[charred ridge]

primordial set ring for vilatria

[celest arch]

Interesting , you think it will be uberoth viable

[charred ridge]

ye

https://youtu.be/navuLDJqbDA

[celest arch]

Arigato

[charred ridge]

it's pretty hard to play especially with less budget cus you need to stand still while focusing

[mighty tundra]

oh for goodness sake

blood tether is 7.3million dps

[pearl snow]

you doing necro blood tether?

[charred ridge]

and the dmg still isn't as good as other things, but you know, it's viable and pretty decent

[mighty tundra]

no i was doing flay bleed and i'm trying to avoid manually casting rip blood for blood tether LOL

[celest arch]

What did I just watch ? Was that 1.2

[mighty tundra]

i don't trust myself to keep it up every 3 seconds

[pearl snow]

reaper has a super small chance to activate when you are hit

thats all I know

[charred ridge]

it's 1.2 simulating 1.3

using modded items to simulate the primordial ring

so it's basically 1.3

[celest arch]

How did you simulate

[mighty tundra]

yeah I'm running low life so no reaper for me

[pearl snow]

fair

[charred ridge]

just put the set affix shard on exalted boots

[celest arch]

Mods ?

[charred ridge]

ye

[celest arch]

You like a LE god

[charred ridge]

🤷‍♀️

[pearl snow]

yeah I was trying to figure out if its possible to avoid the Rip spam since it turns to be less flay

more Rip

[celest arch]

I like you

[pearl snow]

but ohw ell

[charred ridge]

i got the idea from frozensentinel cause he used the set on lightning blast

[celest arch]

Always like players who go far and beyond and share

I’m the lazy gamer

I’m like mr plagiarise

Looks like season 3 will keep us all busy

[abstract summit]

600. half of it from ignite for CB, other skills dont matter too much. then you do 100 procs a second 😄

[charred ridge]

im going on vacation 2 days after 1.3 launch :/

[celest arch]

Where

[charred ridge]

the ocean

[brisk elk]

ill be backpacking 19th-21st

gonna be racing home

[celest arch]

I just sold heaps of my ETH and thinking of going to Thailand for a month soon but I can take my legion go and play there I guess

[charred ridge]

i prob wont have time to play more than 1 or 2 builds this season unfortunately

or maybe i'll play very late during the season who knows

[celest arch]

I’m sure you’ll still have a uber kill build this season

[charred ridge]

i mean ofc

that's the bare minimum 😂

[mighty tundra]

why didn't i make a calculator in excel before, I'm such an idiot

[celest arch]

Ok time to take my chow out for a walk , back soon gl

[mighty tundra]

been doing it in a calculator this whole time

[abstract summit]

bruh 😄

[mighty tundra]

yeah i feel the same way

[fast spire]

What an idiot

[mighty tundra]

hey i changed my ways. Character progression u know what i'm saying?

[abstract summit]

the good thing about making an excel is that once you have one, you just copy paste it for next season / build / skill and all the formulas are already in 😄

[mighty tundra]

IQ increased by 5

[mighty tundra]

oh for sure

[fast spire]

I kid lmao

I don't think far enough head to worry about calculating in a calculator

Let alone excel

I just get a rough idea of what I'm doing and go

[mighty tundra]

Thing is it's easy to make a build that can get you past the pinnacle without calculating anything. Heck I played a Jaspers Searing Pride ignite paladin last league and it was fine. Moment i stepped into the uber room i got deleted lol

it was like 4million dps?

so I kinda have to take this more seriously now

I wish that build worked. Expected it to proc searing blades off healing hands and it never did

[abstract summit]

ye i mean if you are young and have skill you dont need to excel, but im a washed up boomer so i either need judgement tank, or time rot damage. and that needs to be known in advance 😄

[molten bramble]

Love how they did a lich rework and they never updated the crappy lich spec bonuses. 1% leech and increase dmg based on missing hp.

[kind forge]

wait

[mighty tundra]

yeah i was expecting a more multiplier or something

[kind forge]

does grasp of the blood mage count as "delayed damage"?

[mighty tundra]

they were happy to give it to paladin so

[pearl scarab]

I'd assume no because as with the logic on immortal vise, the part of the hit that gets converted into the dot/damage over time has already been resisted when you took the it

[kind forge]

ye but the tooltip for delayed damage on lich uses the same wording

[pearl scarab]

which tooltip?

[kind forge]

the one on the lich tree where you get 10%

spectral wound

[old hull]

Yeah, all the delayed hit damage stuff is the same mechanic as vise

[pearl scarab]

they would stack I assume yea

[old hull]

Yeah, should just add together

[kind forge]

sooooooooo

all of that

should be reduced by death seals passives

during death seal ofc

[pearl scarab]

no? the delayed hit damage mechanic doesn't let the delayed damage be changed/resisted by anything

[jade cove]

Haven't checked here 24H any new cooked Flay Mana Stacking Builds?

[old hull]

Yeah, if you get 100% delayed hit damage in death seal, the hits deal no damage initially, but they have all of death seal's mitigation applied, even if death seal ends before the delayed damage ends

[jade cove]

Yes correct, both Gloves, the passive and Death Seal itself use the same mechanic and Death Seal can reduce delayed damage.

[pearl scarab]

cause I'd think the clear delayed damage things would only apply to the ones from death seal?

[kind forge]

and theres another one too that does it all the time i think

oh no its on end of death seal for the other one

[tender ridge]

there's gotta be a cold spell flay you can do with marrow shards. them nemesis 1H axe bases are calling me

[topaz knot]

hello, just my weekly question of if anyone thinks a minion/zoo necro is lookin spicy next patch?

[pearl scarab]

I trust Heavy's logic more than my own so whatever heavy said goes

[kind forge]

does delayed dmg have any effect over 100%?

[old hull]

I sure hope not lol

[obtuse quest]

Better pray it doesn’t.

[jade cove]

Now lets turn around the question. Why would you think it doesn't work? They use the exact same terminology
And Death Seal doesn't specify "delayed damage from death seal" or something

[kind forge]

ok ye so grasp of the exile kinda meaningles

here i mean

[obtuse quest]

Better than before, but not beating solo big minions

[tender ridge]

imagine taking a hit only to take 150% of it as a DoT

[kind forge]

cuz you get 90% inherantly to death seal and 10% on the passive tree for 100%

[pearl scarab]

🤔 my assumption was the items version of it can't be changed/reduced and the version from deathseal was just different in the sense that it could be changed/reduced with nodes from its tree

[jade cove]

damage is roughly the same, but survivability should be A LOT better, baseline tankyness for everything and a lot better/easier access to leech

[pearl scarab]

ima blame too many hours in poe with the wonders of wording not really meaning the same thing despite them being worded the same

[jade cove]

I think they added that before they knew what they do with Death Seal. Because they just wanted to clear up confusion about people asking a million questions if you can interact with that mechanic in any way.

[pearl scarab]

fair

[kind forge]

lol

[topaz knot]

Understood. So we thinking like if I want to be able to do uberoth like abom or bear companion? Or are there other acolyte builds with good minions?

[topaz knot]

It makes me wonder if them fixing snapshotting tho will make it an overall nerf

[pearl scarab]

we get more minion power so that would help

[jade cove]

You asked for minion army in particular right? For Solo Minions snapshotting will be a nerf in many cases.
But minion armies never had crazy snapshotting opportunities, did they?

I will not stand here and pretend I am a minion expert, as I hate minions, but maybe I am oblivious😅

[topaz knot]

Yeah, id pref minion army. I know skele mages were able yo do uber abby last season with not too much investment, but it required snapshotting.

But ill take solo minion killing uber abby over minion army not being aboe to

But my pref is army being able to kill uberoth

[pearl scarab]

plus if you plan to build around T-rex didnt someone say the buff roar has like a 100% uptime, I could see T-rex carrying a minion horde build

whereas said buff roar wouldn't be that much for a single big minion build

[jade cove]

just off the top of my head the biggest contender will be Manifest Armor, that got absoplutely obliterated with the snapshotting change.

And then Abom and Solo Mage are probably the oens suffering a bit as well.
Abom got huge chagnes. So I guess Solo Mage suffers the most

[obtuse quest]

Considering the only known uberroth kills(with video proof) are done by abom builds, not sure.

[topaz knot]

There's a vid of skele.mages killing it.

I can go try to find it if u want

[obtuse quest]

Really? That’s news to me

[topaz knot]

Yeah. He did use snap shotting tho

[obtuse quest]

Snapshotting isn’t surprising tbh

Yeah find me the link if you still got it, gotta see it myself

[pearl scarab]

snapshotting was just silly strong

has anyone done math on Bones of the Ancestral Pack? have like one archmage skelly mage and a horde to feed it buffs?

[topaz knot]

Yeah ill try to find it. Itll take a minute tho. Ill have to search tho my whole yt history

[jade cove]

I did a few attempts at the end of this seaon with my Isadora Crit Chaos Bolt Warlock at Uber, unfotunately because it was my last char I was not motivated to grind another few dozen hours to perfect the gear, but I think it had chances.

I am almost positive with this patch I can do it with that build. Will probably be my first thing I will do after trying out all the new shiny stuff.

[abstract summit]

not new, it's just got overcooked now

[obtuse quest]

Other than the fact that it’s probably the best way to play flay in general, nothing new I think?

[abstract summit]

yesterday the build was a steak, today it turned into a fine dining experience

[old hull]

It's gonna give like 26% more damage and 24% attack/cast speed, nothing crazy. Where it shines is the ward per second at 1.23x your end threshold imo.

Which is mostly gonna be a primalist thing

[jade cove]

I think so far I only saw one build/person that will use the same Primordial that I have planned.

[pearl scarab]

oh would multi arrow archers not have each arrow give a proc chance to it

[jovial lotus]

I tried to make wandering spirits harvest work. I have no idea if this'll do any damage, but it makes 5 spirits per second with harvest alone https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yq28eo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Lich (81) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,893, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 381.08, Regen: 14.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 378%, Regen: 142/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 20 Dex / 169 Int / 19 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 64% / 64% / 67% / 67% / 148% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,524
▸ Dodge Chance: 30% (1043)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,912)

Used skills:

Harvest / Wandering Spirits / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Spirit Plague

[abstract summit]

we stopped the count here

[mighty tundra]

so I've asked this before and I'll ask again because my smooth brain doesn't get it. How does scornful blood actually work?

[old hull]

They do, but the proc has a 1s cooldown and only applies its buff to a single minion

[mighty tundra]

like is it a portion of what you'd have leeched becomes damage?

[pearl scarab]

yeah thats why the thought was feed it into one big minion but yeah thinking more thats janky

[jade cove]

Essentially your "pending leech", so the leech you are doing right now in this moment gets projected around you as damage

[charred ridge]

"base" at 7m and "stardials" at 24m is just too funny, what a balanced item

[obtuse quest]

What your leeched health would be is done as true damage instead

[pearl scarab]

if you leech 100 life in 0.25 seconds -> enemy near you takes that as damage instead of healing you

[mighty tundra]

Isn't that kind of insane?

That sounds like a lot of damage

[charred ridge]

it's pretty insane

[abstract summit]

ye this 55M is without that btw

[mighty tundra]

Like that'll add what 4 million dps to my build?

[obtuse quest]

It’s a good chunk of extra damage, but it’s unmodifiable by anything else

[pearl scarab]

lots of damage just keep in mind you can't leech to heal

[jade cove]

It is, but it turns of the leech for your at the same time, so its pure offense while sacrificing the ability to leech, so you need to build around.

[mighty tundra]

Oh that's fine I'm mainly ward

[pearl scarab]

yeah low life ward is like prime space for that

[jade cove]

The Primordial Belt does the same without disabling your leech

[mighty tundra]

Ooooh I see

[charred ridge]

the frenzy belt can multiply your damage by 13 and most of that is leech

[pearl scarab]

but then your using your primordial item for that

[mighty tundra]

I feel like I just got a chunk of damage without really investing in anything just because I'm low life

[pearl scarab]

i love the only 1 primordial item restriction

[charred ridge]

i mean most primordial items don't multiply your damage by 13 😂

[abstract summit]

i mean i feel like a 13x item slot is a good use 😄

[pearl scarab]

yes

[obtuse totem]

So am I crazy, how on earth is low HP flay going to work? Because like, you're getting 1500+ hp/s just from CB then god knows how much from Leech

[abstract summit]

but ye tbh i dont like scornful from a design perspective

[pearl scarab]

use the belt and scornful

[abstract summit]

100% drain XD

[mighty tundra]

I've built max health and used the new ward per second body armour along with ward per second passives

And Invested in drain

Just like % health gained as ward

[abstract summit]

ye you have like 24% drain on tree? some from reaper, then stack all ward thingies and cross your fingers

[mighty tundra]

I'm close to 4000 ward per second with a 14k cap

[abstract summit]

well no reaper actually but you get the gist

[jade cove]

Yes there are builds that naturally want to take this "for the disable" and then if you are doing that you can also invest int other follow up passive.

Regardless of the damage

[obtuse quest]

We still got hollow lich’s line to disable leech.

[pearl scarab]

hollow lich is behind scornful

[obtuse quest]

Worst comes to worse, we still got twisted heart

[abstract summit]

i might still go for that chest and drop the relic at the end then take scornful, i just somehow like the item 😄

[old hull]

If you heal too much, just slap on corrupted form - prevents you from losing any leech stacks ever (well, before their duration ends of course)

[mighty tundra]

The chest just makes my neurons activate

[jade cove]

Scornful Blood does that now, not Hollow Lich anymore

[mighty tundra]

I feel like I'm playing a life stacker but in a weird way because of the new chest

Except all my life is ward and now chaos bolt has a stupid more modifier

[obtuse totem]

I definitely want the chest out of all the primals

[mighty tundra]

Would love to see what the carrion gloves result in. I feel it's pretty competitive with salt the wound

[obtuse totem]

I guess I might have to look at more drain effects

[pearl scarab]

I'm assuming corrupted form overwrites Architect right (in terms of max ward)

[mighty tundra]

I believe so

I have 1 point in corrupted form for the 2% more health and that's it lol

Mildly corrupted form

[pearl scarab]

only slightly corrupted

[mighty tundra]

As a treat

[pearl scarab]

like a physical damage vk

[kind forge]

honestly maybe i should play the meme

it wouldnt be that hard

aura of decay for clearing ... blood teather for single target

maybe chuck some bones at people

[pearl scarab]

time to embrace ward meta from before frostbite shackles got nerfed

surely it will still work

[obtuse quest]

Oh god those are ptsd inducing words

[kind forge]

i wanna use the low life passives ngl

[pearl scarab]

with a strand of souls of course

def need that butchers crown for low life c:

[kind forge]

oh wow

just noticed you can reroll idols now

like normal class idol mods

too

not just the added weaver mods

can reroll the 2x2 idols for flame wraith build uwu

[pearl scarab]

[old hull]

Correct

[old hull]

Are WE the time travelers?

[abstract summit]

okay one more version

low life with unethical architects of blood shattered world and scorn

[kind forge]

wait

huh

did rip blood always scale healing effectivness implicitly with int?

i mean its not exactly the same stat as that one passive ... but ye i never seen that before

oh ye nvm it was there

im just dumb

[jade cove]

Haha @queen acorn #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Your questions sounds an awful lot like your setup is soooo close to my planned setup, except I specced one of the skills you mentioend unspecced 😅 🤣
+200 DKP in my book

[pearl scarab]

yes

[pearl furnace]

For minion necro if i have increased say physical damage on my amulet do my minions get that damage increase or is it only when you have the "shared" versions when it specifically states you and your minions

[pearl scarab]

it would need to say you and your minions

or like increased minion damage

unless you have something that lets minions inherit stats from gear

like this

[harsh warren]

or the julra's gloves

[left whale]

I feel like a lotta people sleeping on this

[obtuse quest]

Every dot build used this tech last season.

It's an option on almost every dot build.

[brisk elk]

there are no good melee 1 handed axes smh

[kind forge]

selfcurse build

[obtuse quest]

Don't!

[kind forge]

lol

would be alot of ward per sec tho xD

[obtuse quest]

But the self curses also hurt you so it's not THAT much ward per sec.

[kind forge]

true

[brisk elk]

dot bypasses ward from lich passive

[abstract summit]

do I get scorn damage from bone curse hits as well? should, right?

[obtuse quest]

Probably?

[obtuse quest]

If you built leech then yeah that's one way to mitigate it.

[brisk elk]

im sure you could figure out something for a low life build with aura of decay regen

[kind forge]

acid skin would probably be the easiest self curse to counter out of the 3 ammys

[jolly scaffold]

Carriom golem its viable

[modest escarp]

Can anyone recommend a Lich leveling build that I can try out now (i.e., not one of the changed skills)? I leveled a Warlock to 50 for muh Flay Lich swap, wanna see if I can just start Lich in a minimally fun way

(I know the new Blood Rip is likely going to be a great leveling skill tho)

[kind forge]

poison

spirit plague/wandering spirit stuff

[brisk elk]

if eulogy of blood wasnt a necro base it would actually be really good for melee cold conversion

but as it is

axes kinda suck

for lich

[kind forge]

lol

[brisk elk]

and if you go phys you cant take the 40% more dmg to chilled enemies for flay

so phys sucks

[abstract summit]

it's not that axes suck, it's that cold is just not the best

[kind forge]

ye but you get to scale self bleed all you want and not have any downside lel

[brisk elk]

how does self bleed scale melee

[kind forge]

no clue

kek

[brisk elk]

Cold seems like the best option because phys loses 40% damage and necrotic doesn't get aura of decay pen

Idk I really want melee lich to be a thing

But the weapons just aren't there it seems

[slim mason]

Taste of blood or salt the wound to for flayer?

[brisk elk]

I mean for actual melee dmg

Not bleed

Bleed has a lot of good options

[abstract summit]

for actual melee damage you go mourningfrost and dex stack but it's gonna be abysmal

[slim mason]

That's my plan until I get flay and cb

[brisk elk]

Zhp build

Lol

[kind forge]

doesnt work as good in next season

cuz the flat dmg from rip blood that gave wandering spirits all their dmg is halved

[brisk elk]

I don't even think mourningfrost is that good for flay dmg

The flay boots give a lot of flat dmg as well

[kind forge]

will be good for harvest tho

[slim mason]

Ouch well if you don't want minions you have little choice in the pre lvl 40 range

[kind forge]

ye leveling as lich is gonna be rough

not much really changed in that front

[slim mason]

Yeah primal as bad as acol

[craggy flax]

How long does Summon Revenant last and how many can you have up?

[brisk elk]

Flat dmg isn't even the problem

You can get 400 flat fmg without using morningfrost

[obtuse quest]

As long as it's degen doesn't kill it.
One only, a resummon kills the old one.

[brisk elk]

Going from 400 to 550 isn't gonna make a terrible build viable

Need like a katana equivalent for lich

Somethign like eye of reen that just givea a ton of crit multi

On an axe

[dark inlet]

non-Mana/CB Flay definitely would benefit from something that scaled in a different dimension because it's hard to compete with ~100 CBs per second

I think if it was just having Eye of Reen as an Axe the CB build would just find a way to also incorporate that too 😅

[brisk elk]

Well eye of reen specifically gives melee crit multi

Even a doom star/katana exalt base with crit multi for axes would be a start

[dark inlet]

mm, fair

[brisk elk]

I was looking at the new mace doubling an exalts stats

But doubling the stats of an exalted axe just isn't that good

And you would have no dagger

[dark inlet]

yeah, a lot of T8s are just kind of... ehh

[brisk elk]

You really need axe/dagger for melee it seems

[brisk elk]

Can't have t8s

The mace is primordial

:/

[dark inlet]

I wasn't talking about mace, didn't realize you were

[brisk elk]

Oh

Yeah

[dark inlet]

thought you meant the doubling-ish from T8 vs T7

but I get you now

[brisk elk]

You can double everything including the implicits with whetstone gavel

[dark inlet]

right

[brisk elk]

So if you could put, for example, an exalted doom star in your offhand

That's 180% crit multi from the base

Lol

[abstract summit]

if scornful ends up being busted then low life setup is even one shottier than the one shot lol
if it's not busted then kinda not worth

[brisk elk]

Scornful?

Oh is that the leech thing

[abstract summit]

ye

[brisk elk]

The new primordial frenzy belt gives even more leech reflect btw

Or leech damage whatever you want to call it

There might be some tech there

[abstract summit]

if you are already here Dammitt, leech from this is not accounted for on the stat block 😄

[kind forge]

we need a scaler outside of just "minion levels"

[ebon mica]

Oh, my bad, it was a config issue that caused incorrect game version parsing during online char import, so it targeted s1 instead of s2, and some items were missing.
It's fixed now and all affected profiles will have correct data version on next fetch. Importing directly to build planner will have correct data right away.

[buoyant bear]

Y'all being so fancy tinkering with minmaxing meanwhile all I'm thinking about is destruction engine and infinitely reviving skeletons

[ebon mica]

Hm, it's expected, cause it's "on hit", not generic.

[old hull]

Ahh okay, thanks!

[ebon mica]

There's currently no breakdown by "hit type" for leech iirc.

[limber berry]

what's destruction engine?

[abstract summit]

the other thing i found while mathing is Essence Devourer, i think it should be 1% per 7% drain not the other way around

[ebon mica]

I can probably just assume that on hit means melee | bow | throwing | spell and split by that, but it would yield incorrect calculations probably.

[pearl scarab]

maybe it would work if you split it by things that work with dot and everything else?

[abstract summit]

i was looking at it for scornful and imo it is the other way around, should count for it. im not confident it would be true for every use case though so ye could go either way really

or I dunno the fact the DoT leech exists separately in the same row would make me naively interpret the melee/spell columns before it as "melee hit" and "spell hit"

[ebon mica]

The logic is correct, my data parsing for "Current Health Drain" is not.

I'll provide a fix later today.

[pearl scarab]

❤️

[abstract summit]

cheers, you are awesome!

[pearl scarab]

dammitt is the best

[abstract summit]

i also found hollow lich yesterday but you fixed it by the time i woke up lol

[vivid ruin]

Is attack speed cal'd like this:
Base speed on skill *Wep base speed *melee attack speed bonuses

[abstract summit]

yep

and if you DW then you take the average of the base rate of the two weapons

dont forget that if you have like 150% atk speed that's 150% increased, so you would do 1.1 X 1.095 X (1+1.5)

[vivid ruin]

I was literally about to double check that.

[abstract summit]

😄

[vivid ruin]

I mustve done calcs 100 tims for arpgs but still had to second guess haha.

[abstract summit]

i mean i just asked the same earlier today to double check too lol

[drowsy bane]

If someone with a bigger 🧠 📈 than me want to check this witchfire idea and come back with improvements, it would be greatly appreciated!
Aimed at maxing witchfire for quality of life in echoes. Infernal shade is for single target via zombies spam.
Midnight could be swapped for Putrescence for lazy auto zombies during echoes as well.
Idols are set as exemple and to let me build a loot filter with the affix-suffix names. Affixes in order of importance from T7 > T6 and so on
Choosing boots was harsh. Elected for vines - Pale Ox combo since there's no guarantee that a zombie would be alive when struck + Awakening presence synergy. So many good boots for this build 🤔
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJd6WxWo

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Necromancer (1) / Warlock (86)

General:

▸ Health: 3,012, Regen: 19/s
▸ Mana: 222.51, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 256%, Regen: 233/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 12 Dex / 62 Int / 2 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 239% / 77% / 77% / 87% / 74% / 261% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 602
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (228)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,161)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 113%

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Infernal Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie / Transplant / Profane Veil

[harsh warren]

if you're not married to that primordial amulet, you can t8 seal the sinatha's mace affix for some nutty increased curse%

it goes up to like 200+ flat and 400%

[drowsy bane]

I considered it tbh

[harsh warren]

so far that and the villeta's shock chance hat shard are the only t8 mods that have me 👀

[drowsy bane]

But the gain to infernal shade ignites + fire res to ignite chance to witchfire dmg% is insane

[obtuse quest]

The issue with this is mostly "The curse damage % is a different multiplier comapred to % ignite chance"
Witchfire already has thousands % from ignite chance that making the curse multiplier bigger might be better in the long run.

I'm also surprised by the lack of Chaos Bolts considering they're the best skill to get your overload asap.

[drowsy bane]

Yeah, idk why i changed from t8 curse to the ammy.... but it's new and shiny 😂 At perfect stats that bucket goes from 248% to 389% with T8 over T7

[obtuse quest]

The amulet would be better in a more fire focused setup of witchfire, but ehhhh.

[harsh warren]

hey playing with the new toy is absolutely always worth it

[drowsy bane]

Figured there was more than enough hit all around to overload super fast

[obtuse quest]

Not really? With Fissure shooting chaos bolts it would be much faster, since zombies wouldn't do much ailments.

(Youu also need to cast a skill to start the overloads, and the only skill you have that does both as once is Fissure)

[drowsy bane]

I traded a bit of it to gain massive single target though, no?

[harsh warren]

that's the only thing that's stopped me from trying the build so far

[obtuse quest]

You can hold down infernal and chaos bolts for single targets.

[harsh warren]

trying to upkeep both overloads seems annoying

[obtuse quest]

(Or also build into HS and gain the extra 50% DoT buff)

[obtuse quest]

Not as bad if you have a skill that does both (Fissure/Chaos Bolt)

[drowsy bane]

HS?

[harsh warren]

(i figured chaos bolt due to high mana cost of recasting fissure constantly to try and proc)

[obtuse quest]

Hungering Souls.

Slap in firestarters, and you can scale both ignites and fire witchfire

[drowsy bane]

Never noticed that node

Back to the drawing board I guess. Thanks!

[molten bramble]

1-35 can be done with blood rip/spirit plague/reaper form https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjVxGLyB something like this. The blood rip spell power scaling with spirit plague will be slightly less but it still clears rather fast. Spirit Plague basically can clear screens but the build may take a little longer on single target.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,118, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 22 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 63% / 23%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 224

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Spirit Plague / Reaper Form

[little wigeon]

bruh my exact idea lol this is what im testing out and should be way better on release with changes to rip blood

[vivid ruin]

We get aod at 30 yea? Surely from 30 dot lich will be good for ST until we get flay.

[molten bramble]

Its slightly worse because rip blood gives less spell power to other skills

[little wigeon]

im hoping the aoe makes up for it tbh im not even specced into the +spell dmg and spirit plauge is shredding

[molten bramble]

When you get 35 you can get marrow shards added

[vivid ruin]

You doing a test run?

[little wigeon]

yea lvl 22 currently

[vivid ruin]

I did rip/spirit when I played lich a few seasons back but hoped there was something faster early now.

[vivid ruin]

Nice. Very curious on how it goes. St any issue yet?

[little wigeon]

ST is a bit slow but once i can get more bleed stacks it should be much better

but reaper form does help a lot, i mainly use it for ST cuz of all the dmg increase

[hidden sable]

you really cant beat the damage output of fissure's instant popping infernal shade

[little wigeon]

reaper form isnt the best to sustain tho running around

[modest escarp]

Thanks!

[vivid ruin]

This is a VERY good point. Tho i've never played warlock. Intuitive to speed run with?

Guess I can do a praccy this week.

[hidden sable]

yeah you're able to campaign skip at lv 30

[molten bramble]

Just make sure when you spec spirit plague go for Plague bearer first then the dmg amp stuff

[little wigeon]

yea plague op

[vocal mist]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZNYOKlB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (40) / Lich (68) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,412, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,204.51, Regen: 19.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 200%, Regen: 37/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 55 Int / 2 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 91% / 74% / 78% / 0% / 81% / 83%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 338
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (870)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Harvest / Flay / Transplant / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts

[vocal mist]

rip me apart friends

[molten bramble]

warlock is strong fissure is great early and you can spec spirit plague for ward gen. You just run and drop spirit plagues and fissures with 1k ward cruising through campaign

[kind forge]

did it get nerfed? didnt read it

[little wigeon]

the mastery swap is quite expensive tho, like you wont be able to do it until you have completed a couple gold monos after lvl 30

[kind forge]

lol

[hidden sable]

no you're always able to swap mastery

[molten bramble]

This is just not true you can do it pretty much any time after 30

[kind forge]

thats not the point

[little wigeon]

its like 30k+ idk im not hitting that much gold running through campaign

[molten bramble]

they reduced the gold cost since last season start

[kind forge]

ye from what i remember at lvl 60 it was like 100k and you have like 100k

[little wigeon]

its still a bit, wont be able to swap right away but a couple monos should get you there so just a slight nuisance

[kind forge]

its bad but its not thaaaaaaat bad

[molten bramble]

Every time I run campaign I have enough to respec you just cant buy runes and a bunch of stuff just run and use what you find

[vocal mist]

The idea of the build is alternating between flay and harvest to make use of Executioner's Tithe and Army of Skin. Executioner's ensures we dont run out of mana. Flay triggers Rip Blood which is specced into, and chaos bolt is triggered by harvest and flay

[little wigeon]

idk i dont buy runes and i always run short

but a couple monos should fix that

[vocal mist]

everything is converted to necrotic and pumps a ton of ward through mana spent grants ward

[molten bramble]

how are you spending a bunch of mana?

[vocal mist]

flay is triggering a bunch of chaos bolts

[little wigeon]

the CB are consumed and indirect so i dont think it counts

[vocal mist]

as will harvest

[little wigeon]

but the flay cost will count

[hidden sable]

I ignore shrines and lizards and ive been checking the vendor for mastery cost in my practice run today and the gold is no problem

[molten bramble]

from what I recall "consumed" mana is not spent

[vocal mist]

huh

[vocal mist]

Noted. Ill noodle that

[little wigeon]

idk what to tell you 🤷‍♂️ i guess im playing the game wrong haha

[molten bramble]

Literally have the same experience I have 10-20k more than the respect cost usually from lvls 30-50

and I have done like 10 lich/warlock practice runs

I am thinking of just going lich anyways but I might regret my decsion

[little wigeon]

on a side note i just picked up a max rolled bleed heart 9% leech and its doing wonders for maintaing reaper form

[molten bramble]

Lich leveling 35-50 makes me hate my life

[hidden sable]

after I get my lich's envy gloves from soulfire bastion or off the ground and 2 of the zombie spawn rings, I can swap to lich

[molten bramble]

Might be different with marrow shards on rip blood but we will see

[hidden sable]

im at 100 corruption when im ready to swap to lich

then once I get two ghostflame cost reduction idols building into ghostflame starts

[molten bramble]

are people getting to ghostflame sustain with idols + primodial relic?

[hidden sable]

I played ghostflame last season as my main build and the relic can push it way further

and aura of decay

[little wigeon]

do you think the new blood tether node will help with ST on rip blood with stacking bleeds with AoD

[molten bramble]

I like how insanely tanky you get with ghostflame hardest part is staying in the channel and finding ways to amp the dmg

[pearl snow]

Tether in theory might be pretty decent. But it depends on how much added spell and generic % DoT you have reallly

[molten bramble]

that should help too

[molten bramble]

I think it is listed as a 200% added spell dmg mod

with rip blood juicing the spell power

[kind forge]

nah the real scaler is the ammount of bleed stacks you can get out

[hidden sable]

I made a physical warlock bleed stacker, it makes sense there a bit more cause 1600% bleed chance = 800% spell damage 4000% stun chance on fissure

[little wigeon]

just thinking DoT is strong early and might be better than routing toward marrow shards, idk

[hidden sable]

but its like 3rd build priority for me

[kind forge]

you should do both

your single target is gonna suck otherwise

[molten bramble]

I think you do SP scale into blood tether then go for morrow

You probably cant spec marrow until 35

[little wigeon]

ok that makes sense, wish i could test it but all new stuff

[kind forge]

use this as your first 8 points ... then head over to marrow

[hidden sable]

on my ghostflame setup when it's a monolith farmer I plan on having ghost maker offhand and spec infernal shade and get extra clear, and on bosses I plan on trying out replacing ghost maker and infernal shade with marrow shards for the st

[kind forge]

and then either full send into the blood orbs or go through them to get coagulated blood

[abstract summit]

I dunno man that sounds like a lot of effort to avoid fissure

[little wigeon]

I guess no AoD then

[harsh warren]

live by the build die by the build level by the build

[little wigeon]

Too many skills lol

[harsh warren]

in this house we strugglebus

[kind forge]

AoD will be good to stack more bleeds for tether and reduce resists

[little wigeon]

What do I give up spirit plague or reaper form?

[kind forge]

spirit plague

[molten bramble]

neither

[little wigeon]

Hmmm

[hidden sable]

if you're not necrotic aod's shred is huge

[molten bramble]

Rip blood -> Spirit Plague -> Reaper Form -> Morrow Shards

[molten bramble]

blood teather just just mainly for exta single target

spirit plague is the main crowd clear

[little wigeon]

Guess I could wait on AoD till last

[molten bramble]

There is tech in the lich tree to take 5 points Desolation to get skeletons with 100% bleed chance to juice tether

[little wigeon]

Good point

[vivid ruin]

Planner is miscalcing skills for reaper yea? Traitors should give reaper +4 cos of dex/int yea?

[dark inlet]

both /j

[molten bramble]

I think the removed the dex and int tags

[molten bramble]

Yeah reaper form is Melee Area Transform and Movement so it gets 0 + from traitors

[obtuse quest]

They removed the stat tags.

It's only on Reap now.

[kind forge]

F

[obtuse quest]

It's like they knew this was coming.

[molten bramble]

Those extra 4 points wout have been nice

[dark inlet]

the devs giveth, and the devs taketh away

[obtuse quest]

But hey we get crit cap for easy now

[tall mural]

Huh, I never knew rip blood had a minion tied dmg boost, thats interesting

[obtuse quest]

Oh yeah they didn't change it.

It's only issue is the 4 second duration and the visual for the buff is damn hard to notice.

[tall mural]

No it's just per minion

[kind forge]

no where?

[obtuse quest]

As in "Went from pretty headache inducing or harvest only" to "Oh we can hit 50% really easy now"

[kind forge]

where tho

[obtuse quest]

Traitors gives enough to push your flat crit to 20+%.

[tall mural]

oh that one, no I was talking about necrotic inspiration

[obtuse quest]

100% from tree shoudl shoot you close to 40+

[kind forge]

oh by easy assumed without gear

harvest was easy

[obtuse quest]

Oh the damage boost

10 minions for 40% boost is... okay.

[molten bramble]

you are pushing 80% with just traitors 100% from reaper 100% from harvest 50% from passive

[tall mural]

I just wonder about how hard it would be to keep 10 minions alive without being necro

[obtuse quest]

Man, we wish we were rogue

[obtuse quest]

Yes, since we don't get the defense layers necro minions get.

[tall mural]

I mean, the tweaks to early neco nodes can really give you some relative beef Grave thorns for 3 pts aint bad

[harsh warren]

if it's skeletons and you have shield slot open you can spec em up to 100% resummon chance

[tall mural]

That's what Im thinking

[harsh warren]

maybe they won't stay alive but they will come back

[tall mural]

I mean skeleies dying cna give us a 100% increased spell damage and mana, so not a bad thing

[kind forge]

lol

[tall mural]

I just wonder if it's too much work vs just speccing down into blasting marrow shards too

[kind forge]

you can also get 100% respawn chance

pretty sure

40% on skele 40% on the tree and set shield

[harsh warren]

40% in skeleton tree, 40% on necro tree, need set shield shard craft

[kind forge]

ye

[harsh warren]

makes me want to use cruelty

[tall mural]

It's a lot of work for it, when I could just convert flay to a spell xD

[kind forge]

wonder if theres going to be a case for it

i mean you could eat your skeles for marrow shards and have it respawn

100% hit dmg

[tall mural]

I'd just want it for the 40% more dmg so rip blood itself has a chance to kill and chain

[kind forge]

lol

shiny

[tall mural]

dying skellies would be good for applying mfd too

[kind forge]

actually hmmmmm

spec into skeles as fodder