💀┃acolyte

[dusty token]

hmm

[white robin]

hex flurry (the node after profane orbs) works with curse cast speed

[dusty token]

I was thinking an affix just to get the set with other shield like armor/health

[obtuse quest]

Yes, but I'm saying that you're sacrificing 3 affixes for basically a T8 cast speed for curses.

[white robin]

oh does normal cast speed also affect profane orbs? haven't noticed that yet in practice

[obtuse quest]

Yes. It's the whole bossing core for torment builds.

[white robin]

yeah that is a bit cryptic on what it means, i interpret it as only curse cast speed afflicting it

[obtuse quest]

The alt text is supposed to tell you the exact opposite of that.

[white robin]

ah so it does

thanks for clearing that up, need to stack even more cast speed then

[median pebble]

I have a quick question

[obtuse quest]

I can recommend mad ladle-

[median pebble]

I am playing stygian lich and currently running this helm

t7 t5 t5

I have a 4lp decayed skull helm and wondering what do you guys think, should I slam this exalted or search for a better one

t6 t6 t6 t5

[obtuse quest]

Probably works tbh

[median pebble]

t6 mana hurts a bit.... otherwise would be a really nice slam

[lost gale]

If you're hollow lich/low-life you absolutely want melee leech as your other prefix

[dusty token]

it counts for that node, right? t change leech for damage

[obtuse quest]

The seal? Yes, but slamming it wouldn't matter.

[lost gale]

yeah the melee leech affix works for hollow lich. It counts as increased curse damage for the downfall relic too apparently

[dusty token]

nice

gonna work on that

[median pebble]

i am stygian lich, that node is dead

and this is for slam

[pearl snow]

wait generic increased works on that?

[lost gale]

I don't think the generic increased in the acolyte base tree and the lich tree works for whatever reason, but the hollow lich generic in particular apparently works

I haven't done the testing myself

[pearl snow]

what the

I swore it didnt

[calm dome]

Bone curse aura and machine gun profane orbs to proc bone curse seems really fun

[lost gale]

last epoch tools build planner seems to think it works but as I said I haven't tested it

[pearl snow]

oh you might be seeing the % to fire and necrotic dps

[pearl snow]

bone curse starts at like 4dmg good luck scaling it

[pearl snow]

AYO

[lost gale]

With T7 Melee leech on mace
Witchfire Damage: 13443
Base: 600
Warlock Passive Tree (Chaos Flames): 48% increased Necrotic Damage
Warlock Passive Tree (Spiteful Decay): 32% increased Damage Over Time
Warlock Passive Tree (The Ashen One): 40% increased Necrotic Damage
Lich Passive Tree (Hollow Lich): 229% increased Damage
Relic (Unique mod): 399% more Witchfire Damage

With T5 Melee leech on mace, no other changes
Witchfire Damage: 8711
Base: 600
Warlock Passive Tree (Chaos Flames): 48% increased Necrotic Damage
Warlock Passive Tree (Spiteful Decay): 32% increased Damage Over Time
Warlock Passive Tree (The Ashen One): 40% increased Necrotic Damage
Lich Passive Tree (Hollow Lich): 120% increased Damage
Relic (Unique mod): 327% more Witchfire Damage

[pearl snow]

okay insane

[lost gale]

LET does say that generic increased works, which obviously devalues the reforged set mod. But someone, can't remember who said they tested it and didn't think generic such as the Lich % increased damage tripled on LL passive worked

firestarter's torch may or may not be stronger, idk

[calm dome]

I got a 3LP firestarter torch and now I know what to use it for

Witchfire Warlock is a go

[crimson trench]

fixed it up https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owwN7Pao

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (20) / Warlock (73)

General:

▸ Health: 3,063, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 227.51, Regen: 13.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 376%, Regen: 133/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 95 Int / 5 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 72% / 77% / 90% / 76% / 171% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 613
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,434)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[crimson trench]

feels low DR tho

[lost gale]

chance to ignite & melee leech are the two biggest damage mods

FYI

assuming you're using hollow lich anyway

[calm dome]

I'm a bit bored of bleed warlock and I only have a 1LP Spine. I will definitely try the Hollow Lich interaction with Downfall of the Righteous

My 3LP Firestarter has been rotting in my stash tab

Will be a nice change till I can get at least an LP2 Spine and try to play flame whip

[pearl snow]

on your mace T6 Ignite is better than the DoT. If you want more defensives without running Barbute check out like Wall of Nothing or Null Portent

[pearl snow]

bleed spine?

[calm dome]

I was thinking of bleed spine but I was just going to do flame whip since ignite chance seems easier to stack

[pearl snow]

dropping points from Doom Herald for Imperishable might be nice too

[calm dome]

Got the ring set affix and I think amulet gets ignite chance also

Global bleed chance seems harder to obtain in comparison

[pearl snow]

were you trying to convert whips or something?

[calm dome]

No I just have bleed warlock and want to transition to flame whip

But converting whip into phys was a thought

[pearl snow]

ah

yeah ignite chance is super easy

[calm dome]

I know physical profane veil has a more damage scaler per global bleed on hit so figured I can scale flat damage on whip and more damage on profane veil with bleed chance if I went covert

But like I said, global ignite chance seems more readily available than global bleed chance

[remote dome]

Would a Wrongwarp be better then a ladle for a styg coal lich?

[lost gale]

probably not

ladle gives a lot of cast speed for spamming rip blood which is how you keep mana up and where your flat damage comes from

[pearl snow]

plus ladel is "more" spell dmg

[lost gale]

and some of those ailments it inflicts are nice to just get for 'free' on a build that hits fast enough to make even low rolls count

[calm dome]

Blind is a huge mvp

Easy crit immunity

Oh blind is not on ladle that is disappointing

Frailty is good though

[remote dome]

Alrighty, Ladle it is! Thx folks

[lost gale]

blind anti-crit is the kind of protection that is guaranteed to let a crit through once in a while

great for low investment softcore, wouldn't trust it in hardcore

[crimson trench]

isn't profane veil pretty good? and will check out wall of nothing/null portent i think i have 1LP lying around

[pearl snow]

Those points are nice for veil, but also the ward threshold helps your base defensives a lot when you don’t have a lot of gen

And does really well with hybrid

Or low life

[crimson trench]

it might be null portent cause im not a fan of building into endurance on ward builds

unless im misunderstanding wall of nothing

[pearl snow]

you aren't but it doesnt demand endurance building

just another hybrid option

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7vn0KmQ
Probably not optimal by any means but I had a crack at it (witchfire)

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (11) / Warlock (82)

General:

▸ Health: 3,101, Regen: 16.29/s
▸ Mana: 198.51, Regen: 10.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 254%, Regen: 248/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 3 Dex / 46 Int / 3 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 68% / 68% / 90% / 70% / 246% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 620
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,177)

Used skills:

None

[pearl snow]

I really hope Hollow Lich gets changed. Its just too powerful

[lost gale]

disagree, low life feels pretty fragile and you're not going to sustain health reasonably without leech on acolyte.

Yes you get some really nice offensive scaling from it, but it isn't as though witchfire/other acolytes which really benefit from it more than you'd naively expect are powerhouses overall.

whiplock is probably the strongest build which makes good use of it (for scaling acid skin) but that's hardly the most notable uberroth slaying build and it's not the fastest mapper etc etc

[autumn bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxjSiFIfWrM my latest cook another solid acolyte build with budget gear will try uber this week

[pearl snow]

I feel like it has more defensives than hybrid but its suffix starved and somewhat harder to geR

[pearl snow]

Exploding zombies with parasites? Using veil to eat and spawn then spamming curses for more dmg and cdr on veil.
Are you using drain life on minions for mana?

[autumn bough]

yes

and exploding zombies with chaos bolt

[pearl snow]

nice

[versed sedge]

Any harvest enjoyers made a viable build this season?

[calm dome]

Wall of Nothing with Brewmaster's Buckle seems like a great hybrid set up but I don't see it on Acolyte builds. The only real hybrid set ups on Acolyte I see are vessel of strife+regen or twisted heart+leech

[dense brook]

Are there any dot acolyte builds ?

Or even better , lich builds that use some of those cool unique scythes

[kind forge]

harvest

[pearl snow]

Plenty of DoT warlock stuff

[pearl snow]

Yeah those usually wind up the best for us

[dense brook]

Chaos bolts in wow are really cool, are chaos bolts in LE cool too (since you are the chaos bolt enjoyer)

[pearl snow]

Yes

I was a destro main in Mythic LOL

[dense brook]

Is the vibe there

[flint scarab]

is this affix on belts not a thing anymore? i cant find it

[autumn bough]

https://youtu.be/rwwItjQv750 best acolyte build excluding snapshot abom imo and a dot

[autumn bough]

its bees now not zombies

[placid token]

why do you have max DUSKbrinbger in passives? what does it affecT?

[obtuse quest]

Harvest had no changes, so it’s the same build

[placid token]

imo the dmg is sick, I was stuck at 85k but resigned at 500 corruption

[north lance]

Oh, we can only trade for armor by burning our blood for a certain period of time with the Lich

[lost gale]

I don't really get why stuff like Harvest specifies Hit damage/excludes DOT damage in so many nodes on the tree. It's not like a Harvest bleed build would be downing uberroth if they were just generic More multipliers

[obtuse quest]

The simple answer: It's an ancient skill.

[lost gale]

I do remember that in ye olden days poison was considered overpowered and aura of decay would just kill everything by itself and ailments got nerfed a few times

[gritty cargo]

I made a poison warlock as a meme a bit ago where I had all the poisons and I triple cast the poison fissure it turned out okay

Just didn't compare to infernal shade at all

[north lance]

Why can't I find any clips of Torment Warlock killing Uberroth? Has everyone abandoned her already?

[obtuse quest]

The easy answer is "It probably can't / No one is trying"

[dusty token]

because i forgot them there lol. just changed and got 470k alone. tks, man!

[dusty token]

damn...

[placid token]

link the build now maybe theres is still some space 😄

[dusty token]

I'm farming for low life now. Need to see how far this goes lol

[dusty token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbyKzR5A

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (19) / Warlock (68)

General:

▸ Health: 3,405, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 310.11, Regen: 10.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 252%, Regen: 154/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 51 Int / 4 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 75% / 92% / 84% / 65% / 158% / 59%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 681
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (16)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,243)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Spirit Plague / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood

[dusty token]

it's at 510k nowm, btw

without the buff from others skills

[lost gale]

for spirit plague I think you'd be better off speccing out of the damage per int, plague pen & plague nodes and getting the spread on hit and ward on hit stuff along with 3 fragility stacks

The damage of that skill really doesn't matter, it's there to be an easily applied and easily spread curse with utility benefits. It also has some dodgy scaling which means that using a %chance to plague on hit idol will give you much higher plague damage than casting spirit plague with 100 or 150% poison penetration for plague.

You can get up to 180 ward/s in combat from a utility skill which has other benefits (all the warlock curse synergies, chaos bolts etc) without any itemisation investment to support it. For you that's kinda like getting to wear calamity & barbute at the same time.

also I'm pretty confident that damned idols are better than the increased DOT on ailment overload ones even with as much damned chance as you have

[pearl snow]

Yeah the damned & ignite idols go crazy on Witchfire

Especially since you only get 2 overloads

Its the game of roughly 80-100% increased or 10-15% more

[lost gale]

with witchfire, grimhilde's domain is by far the biggest damage bucket overall so the up to 480% more you can get from 9-24% chance to damn is pretty diluted, but so is the increased DOT on overload

[placid token]

I think you might get a bit more dmg but it gets tricky to get high ward imo

[placid token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A65Ld6eo

@dusty token this is my version of low life but there is a lot to improve

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (12) / Warlock (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,249, Regen: 19.86/s
▸ Mana: 130, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 349%, Regen: 222/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 13 Dex / 49 Int / 3 Att / 44 Vit
▸ Resistances: 150% / 92% / 91% / 87% / 107% / 364% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 450
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,078)

Used skills:

Chthonic Fissure / Wandering Spirits / Transplant / Profane Veil / Bone Curse

[placid token]

CB/SPIRIT PLAGUE -> PROFANE VEIL/WANDERING SPIRIT(for ward generation and mana sustain)
ignite/damn overload is easy to proc anyways

[pearl snow]

Wandering Spirit gen is pretty meh

Mana shouldnt be an issue at all

[lost gale]

wandering spirits feels kinda garbage tbh

ye olde clunky skill, wtb rework

[pearl snow]

Oh is this like a giga cozy setup

No targeting required version

Cuz that makes sense

[crimson trench]

made some changes from the last time, thinking of fitting in more endurance threshold https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjlnaYDA

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (20) / Warlock (73)

General:

▸ Health: 2,474, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 220.51, Regen: 13.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 286%, Regen: 198/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 80 Int / 5 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 77% / 77% / 74% / 74% / 166% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 617
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,715)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[pearl snow]

Why acid skin and return below?

[crimson trench]

acid skin is just another curse for more scaling, return below is more frequent shred

[pearl snow]

Ah, shred should be capped without it but who cares more active playstyle

I assume you never manually cast CB?

Just shade and fissure

[crimson trench]

shouldn't have to cast CB, also i just realized the builder did not account for grimhilde bonus...def moving pts from lich to cap out the chance

[crimson trench]

it will be capped without that node you're saying?

or is there another source i'm not aware of

[pearl snow]

On bosses and rares it should be capped yeah

At least from my time on Witchfire I was always at 9/10 depending on CB rng

But it is also only 1 point so no big deal either way. And the spirit frequency is more than just shred for you given you cast shade whenever its consumed

Since it means more CBs

[fleet fulcrum]

Does tyrant reduce final health rather than being taken from increased minion health multipliers?

[old hull]

No, it's just regular negative increased health, so super minor downside assuming you've taken almost any increases

[versed sedge]

my warlock is eating good

[flint scarab]

any1 pushing high corruption with wraithlord?

[pearl snow]

Keeper is

[obtuse quest]

Keeper, has hit 5k last I checked.

[calm dome]

Looking at this item and thinking minion builds could use it. The wording does say allies

Poison convert or fire convert for more poison/fire dot respectively

[obtuse quest]

Two problems:

1. Requires you to use wandering spirits.
2. It's more X DoT damage, which is at best only useful for skele rogues with a poison convert.

[calm dome]

I can think of poison skeles and fire golem that could be used

[obtuse quest]

I don't think fire golem can use this well since they're basically a walking sim type of build.

[calm dome]

I would just see the spirits as just a buff really

Throw it down middle of minions

Spec into utility like mana and ward gen

[obtuse quest]

The buff is either on or off since it doesn't have a duration, so it would be kinda ehhh for clear

It also DOES take the relic slot which could be used for more defensive options.

[calm dome]

Time to play some chaos bolt skele mages scaling damned

[north lance]

Anyone Lich 2k?

[obtuse quest]

No info, since I think Liches more care about uberroth, they probably can since they can beat uberroth.

(For context, our 5k wraithlord master has NOT beated uberroth with it)

[placid token]

yep, as WF is like 90%+ of the dmg anyways I was looking for something different than casual CB from fissure, also health sustain from CB causes some issues with staying as low as possible

[placid token]

sadly 😦

[median pebble]

wandering spirits might be only usuable with some sort of fissure build or minion build as a defensive to channel for damage reductions and ward from wandering spirits off hand catalyst, when i was testing it i was getting about 2k ward from it

[obtuse quest]

But that forces you to stand still, which is... not good.

[median pebble]

kind of

you dont lose all the ward after you stop channeling

I would say it might be viable if it pushes your defesives to the ,,semi immortal,, category

[obtuse quest]

Yes, but the issue is that you have to stand still to channel in the first place

[median pebble]

having to channel to boost your defesives did not feel bad tbh, the bad part you can cast rip blood or other skills and it does not pair well with profane veil

[obtuse quest]

It's hard to do that properly in a boss fight where standing still for more than a single second could kill you, which is most likely where you need defensives the most.

[north lance]

The Acolyte sacrifices many things to gain power, but at the same level of power, other classes don't need to sacrifice and are still stronger 🫂

[median pebble]

dissagree, a tech like that would be used when you dont have to constantly cast your damage and versus bosses you either tank the hit or dodge and if you dodge your defensives dont matter at all

[obtuse quest]

The idea is that you shouldn't ever tank a hit.

It's why most defensive techs that lock you down go unused. You rather get a defensive that ALSO moves you and let you dodge stuff.

Defenses are to let you make mistakes.

(Or in uberroth's case, giving you a time window to cleanse the unlimited duration dot tick)

[median pebble]

dont get me wrong, I am not saying that the tech is top tier but I dont think it is that binary if a tech lets you tank a hit why would you dodge

having a button that boosts your defensives to tank a hit is a oh shit button that lets you make mistakes

as long as it is NOT your main defensive layer

[obtuse quest]

Because 2k ward by itself isn't enough to tank any important hits that you most likely fail to dodge.

[median pebble]

again not top tier

[obtuse quest]

Barely mid tier.

[median pebble]

though you do get some less damage taken from channeling

[obtuse quest]

Which, to be fair, both ghostflame and profane veil (Even unspecced veil), can also use.

Since we have more than one option, we just look at what it brings to the table the other's don't.

[median pebble]

does ghostflame even work this league?

[obtuse quest]

It lost the "perma ghostflame" setup, but still works very well as a panic button, or as a DoT dps button.

[median pebble]

sad that there are none (?) channel builds for acolyte

[obtuse quest]

There was basically no reason to go channeling setups since you can't perma channel as easily anymore.

[median pebble]

even if you could, damage isnt really there

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much.

[old hull]

You can run witchfire with perma ghostflame (sorta, you have to briefly stop and start to trigger witchfire), ghostflame itself has no dps

[flint scarab]

i dont know who is keeper

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer
Basically the current known best wraithlord player, and the author of this guide.

[flint scarab]

yes i found this new build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALm9gJzQ
Im surprised he isnt running shackles and stacking cold res tho

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Necromancer (75) / Lich (1) / Warlock (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,411, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 202.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 289%, Regen: 70/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 78 Int / 1 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 106% / 103% / 75% / 49% / 95% / 25%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 482
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (99)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 12% (328)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Dread Shade / Transplant / Summon Wraith / Rip Blood

[obtuse quest]

Because his whole gameplan at this current point iirc is "Never get hit and become a glass cannon." There also isn't a single acolyte build that can properly abuse shackles, since we really don't have a 2nd reason to stack cold res.

[flint scarab]

i see. he does play pretty safe. watching his yt vids rn

[fast torrent]

HI any idea what to follow for lvling in acolyte?
I was thinking of this and I am lvl 45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0EHbnkN0X4&t=236s

[obtuse quest]

ANything works for leveling.

[flint scarab]

best way to lvl is ask for boost

[vivid monolith]

You have to when everything that spawns is a 1hko lol

[dusty token]

gonna try the ward. really didn't paid attention to that. but the idols, I tried the damned and ignite idols and the dmg went really low. about 300% increased in DoT gives more damage bc spaces. only four damned with 80% damned chance almost.

[dusty token]

that was my first try before 100lvl. than i got the wand that turns bleed to ignite and the damage went way higher. so I could drop the gloves and get atrophy so more dmg. but when i got the mace, even without turn bleed for ignite, the dmg went higher and higher. i think because the bleed turn into ignite doesn't count for grimhilde's domain. sadly. same goes for isadora's set. otherwise witchfire could melt uber in 5 secs I believe lol

[fast torrent]

yeah but its so hard to keep surviving

all exp we get we have to be with the other guy and also survive

[flint scarab]

youre right. whenever i start new char im expecting to die and tp back atleast 100 times.

[fast torrent]

is there anything we can boost out hp or defense with so we can't die?

[flint scarab]

not rly. if someone is boosting you while doing empowered then youll get 1 shot regardless of your stats.
best way to leech exp is to have the host do false temples. clear everything in the front and u just follow. thats what ive found the best

[fast torrent]

I'll give it a try

[fleet fulcrum]

Has anyone tried a bleed wraith build? My plan is to use wraithlords harbour and aberrant call with doublet of onos tull but if it sucks I'll probably just go full into wraithlord

[fast torrent]

tell me the replacement of items I should use in the place of seed helmet nihilis amulet and twisted heart relic?
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/

[pearl snow]

You linked an empty planner

Also wym replacement? Like just to use before getting them? Or working alternatives

[obtuse quest]

Link the actual planner.

[obtuse quest]

With... what amount of bleed on hit? Doublet itself isn't enough.

[fleet fulcrum]

Uhh I think around 200% for each wraith, I'm currently able to stack 200ish bleed concurrently with just wraiths

With 450% physical dmg

[obtuse quest]

Errr, %minion damage works too.

200 is... okayish at best.

[fleet fulcrum]

That's including %minion I think

I should be able to get more %bleed chance

[lost gale]

how? minion ailment chance is pretty limited

Which minions do the most hits/s reliably? Skele archers? rogues?

maybe skele mages?

[pearl snow]

probably mages or wraiths

[lost gale]

ranged or melee wraiths?

I was thinking about bone curse & spirit plague's player scaled bleed when-hit.

You wouldn't scale minion damage, just use them to generate a lot of triggering hits

it's almost certainly just worse than chaos bolts isn't it

[pearl snow]

maybe

[lost gale]

also bone curse has that thing where it does 3x damage on player hits, idk if that applies to ailments it inflicts

[pearl snow]

I doubt it since hit dmg doesnt apply to ailments normally

assuming its 3x to the curse dmg

[obtuse quest]

Bone curse’s damage is a seperate damage instance, so no.

It also doesn’t trigger ailments, excpet those of it’s own spec tree

[lost gale]

yeah I'm thinking particularly of the bleed chance when-hit on the bone curse tree

and spirit plague does the same thing

[obtuse quest]

Let’s… not talk about spirit plague’s one.
It doesn’t scale with it’s own Int stats.

[lost gale]

ah, forgot about that

spirit plague such a weird skill

[obtuse quest]

It’s 99% a bug, that most likely the devs just dont care

[pearl snow]

from the bleed on hit node?

[obtuse quest]

Spirit plague’s, yeah. It inherits from no one

[pearl snow]

oof

my bleed build probably lost a load of dmg then

CB bleed from Laceration on SP goes bonkers

[obtuse quest]

It DOES take the pen from it’s own nodes and all generic stuff, but it has no %inc from int and whatever % more from it’s tied skill

[pearl snow]

makes sense. I wonder if thats the same for every "curse" / non hit applicator

because its bleed on hit from another skill

Because its worded entirely different from things like Bone Curse

which comes from the Curses hit procs

[obtuse quest]

So far spirit plague is the major outlier, since bone curse’s ailments inherit INT as normal

[pearl snow]

Spirit Plague also has a different application process compared to Bone Curse. Though they feel the same because of how Bone Curse works

[obtuse quest]

Trueeee

[pearl snow]

Granted I agree it should

inherit

unless its entire design purpose was for bleed overload? or some sort of extra debuff ailment stacker

[obtuse quest]

That would require them to have the forsight about 2 years ago

[pearl snow]

surely overhaul fixes kek

[obtuse quest]

Share me some of that copium

[pearl snow]

[lost gale]

single hit bone curse proccing rip blood is interesting but the clunk is real

[twilit flume]

Infernal shade what they have to do to mimic a fraction of the power

[lost gale]

flickering shadows is a strong node innit

[spiral otter]

Hi!
Noob here not going for meta builds/classes etc. I just want the curret best zoo necro build out there, as many minions as possilbe 🙂
Can anyone point me to a build guide?

[lost gale]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/wraith-necromancer-guide this maybe? It's a very active playstyle tho by the looks of it

[obtuse quest]

If you want PURELY just a giant minion army, well er, there isn't one that's good.

If you can comprimise, Skeletal Rogues or Profane Skeletal Mages might be up your alley.

[lost gale]

18 wraiths is a lot of minions

[obtuse quest]

Probably won't count, those play more like totems (Immobile flame wraiths)

[lost gale]

yeah, fair

[spiral otter]

I found this one, seems to fit ok, is it ok (i know its not good I guess :D)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0J0yyZo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 5,184, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 289.53, Regen: 11.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 286%, Regen: 111/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 87 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 71% / 69% / 68% / 65% / 72% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,037
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (145)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 8% (199)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Wraith / Summon Skeleton

This build has a guide:

Only Minions Fire Necromancer Endgame Build Guide! Full Accessibility Build! Fun & Easy! by Action RPG

[obtuse quest]

No dread shade
Once again aaron is slightly trolling

[lost gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgX0G3Q614k&t=19s

[rotund verge]

just hit first try

[fleet fulcrum]

Homunculus blood relic has bleed chance for minions as an implicit. And the lich passive tree can net you 56% extra chance to bleed for minions, I can get to ~300% minion bleed chance. Also planning to use pearls of the swine for an extra 15% mult to dot dmg taken. Rn I'm only using melee wraiths (controlled by wraith lord) to stack minion bleed

also i should note i just unlocked empowered monoliths so i could definitely be missing some key info lol

[lost gale]

There's a staff with +200% chance to ignite to minions but it's pretty bad.

Serpent's Milk is usable if you're converting the poison chance to something else, which i think this is really only for scorpion, spriggan, thorn totems & spriggan form vines for shaman & pyromancer skele mages for acolyte.

The bleed chance on that relic is unfortunately negligible.

Chaos Bolts let's you give up to +100% bleed/ignite/damned/frostbite to minions but it's a bit awkward to use

[fleet fulcrum]

i was taking a look at this

[lost gale]

The chaos Bolts stuff requires you to shoot your own minions with it to apply a buff that lasts ten seconds, which is more frustrating the smaller, faster and more numerous your minions are

[fleet fulcrum]

i'd be running harvest as the spam skill

[lost gale]

Harvest is the only melee skill acolyte gets (other than Reap attached to reaper form) but it's pretty bad and especially bad for ailments.

[fleet fulcrum]

it's definitely not working for me rn without that axe but i also have very low physical damage myself

[lost gale]

If you use the search bar on harvest's skill tree and look at "Hits" you'll see that most of the damage scaling on harvest is hits only, no ailments.

[fleet fulcrum]

hm i see

i'm still gonna see how the build pans out but might just end up switching into critlord

also do you know how bleed penetration works?

[lost gale]

the scaling for minion damage and player damage is entirely separate too

[fleet fulcrum]

yeah i'd probably only use shared physical dmg affixes for player bleed/skill dmg

[lost gale]

bleed deals phys damage, all enemies have 0 base armor and 0 base resistances before monolith/rare/champion mods.

So 5% phys pen is the same as 5% more phys/bleed damage

all pen stacks, but all in the same bucket of damage so 50 pen +50 pen = 100% more damage basically, not 125%

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/dot-focused-chaos-bolts-warlock
This isn't quite what you're trying to make

[fleet fulcrum]

gotcha

[lost gale]

but you can see in this guide, in the bleed variant stuff most of the good/useful items for scaling bleed on an acolyte

[fleet fulcrum]

there's not a lot of minion bleed unfortunately

[obtuse quest]

Acolyte doesn’t have much access to minion bleed

[obtuse quest]

Only the bleed speedup would apply to minion bleed

[fleet fulcrum]

yeah i'm just struggling to find a weapon that works. i can use aberrant call to just get more wraiths but there's not great affixes on a 2 handed staff for the build

[lost gale]

converted chaos bolts is the biggest minion bleed thing I can think of but it's clunky and only +100% chance

[fleet fulcrum]

i could try it, i just kinda don't want to invest points into warlock

[obtuse quest]

Yeah nothing helpful for bleed specifically, so at that point just run something that boosts minions geneircally, like abarrant. Weapon affixes are half dead for minion builds anyway, so you won’t be missing out

[fleet fulcrum]

yeahh i feel like i'm at the wrong time in this game's development for this build

[obtuse quest]

More like wrong class. Primalist has a minion bleed build

[fleet fulcrum]

fair

[obtuse quest]

Acolyte minions aren’t that good at ailments

[lost gale]

there is one acolyte minion ailment thing I can think of that would be good for you.
Abomination with plague idols can absolutely clear early empowered monos afaik

[fleet fulcrum]

def could've done that but i liked the idea of a necromancer lol. but you bring up a goodpoint i could just make a primalist to see the extent of this build

i haven't really considered abomination, i kinda didn't think one minion would be good for ailment

[lost gale]

there are a bunch of acolyte minions which convert poison to frostbite, serpent's milk frostbite stuff could work

[obtuse quest]

Yeah for necros, most minions are fodder without much staying power

[obtuse quest]

Pretty sure only skeletal mages do that no?

(Poison to frostbite)

[fleet fulcrum]

is frostbite a cold dot?

[obtuse quest]

Yup, secondary effect being increased freeze chance

[lost gale]

plague is an ailment which spreads between enemies automatically and doesn't stack.
Abom gets by far the most damage multipliers of any minion, so it can do big plagues which spread and kill stuff

[obtuse quest]

Skeletal mage doesn’t work. It converts poison chance from ITS TREE to X, not all sources.

[lost gale]

oh I was just typing all the primalist minions with poison -> cold

realised I wrote acolyte by mistake

[fleet fulcrum]

yeah honestly the bee build is speaking to me lol

[obtuse quest]

Lmao

That explains it

[lost gale]

primalist has thorn totems, scorpion, spriggan and vines which all do poison chance -> frostbite chance conversion. Serpent's Milk has a lot of play there

[fleet fulcrum]

yeah it's so frustrating looking for my build and realizing that everything good belongs to primalist

[lost gale]

in spriggan form you can realistically have totems, vines & a summoned spriggan all cold converted adding frostbite

Scorpion too may be possible but I've never tried it

[fleet fulcrum]

i'll definitely have to check out primalist ailment

so let's say blood necromancer sucks. what other fun builds are there that could potentially make it to uberroth

[lost gale]

by make it to uberroth do you mean kill uberroth because that's a short list

[fleet fulcrum]

yes

[lost gale]

abomination necro, misha's flickering shadows which heavily uses minions but the damage scaling is all from the player, stygian coal lich (with very very good gear), flame wraith necro probably has enough single target dps but I don't know if anyone has actually done it

whiplock

[fleet fulcrum]

gotcha i'll check out abom probably

[lost gale]

I'd suggest flickering shadows from that list tbh

the minions are basically automating a lot of stuff for you, the fact that you don't care about the minion damage stat at all doesn't mean that it doesn't feel like a minion build in some respects

abom is slow, snapshotting is annoying and it's boring to play

[fleet fulcrum]

yeah i def don't want to snapshot

do you have a build link for flickering shadows?

[lost gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwwItjQv750

planner link is in the comments there

[fleet fulcrum]

ty

[lost gale]

#💀┃acolyte message

that has a video of mapping

if you're wondering what's going on: zombies cast ground targeted infernal shades when they explode, they also have a chance to cast sacrifice. (you actually cast these spells, they use your stats not the zombies but they're indirect casts)
sacrifice has flickering shadows which gives your infernal shades a massive (stacking per minion sacrificed) damage buff but reduces their duration.
Zombies also generate the minions for you to sacrifice via corpse parasites, the rings and casting it sometimes.

You can cast dread shade on enemies, which gives you giga buffs as long as you're not too close to the enemy the dread shade is on, casting dread shade refreshes the duration of your infernal shades.

All of that costs a lot of mana and you don't build much flat damage into the gear, so you spam rip blood to sustain mana and get stacks of the global flat spell damage buff which makes gives your shades some oomph for flickering shadows to juice up.

all of that gives you insane but highly variable damage because there's a particular order things need to happen in for the big damage to happen but you're just leaving it largely up to chance by having zombies automate it

[fleet fulcrum]

oh god

far too much for my noob brain to handle

[lost gale]

if you just copy the skill trees in the planner and cast rip blood a lot then you'll be fine

the hardest part of it all is probably picking the right enemy to dread shade

it'll put a ring around them which you want to stay out of because being outside of it gives you tons of cast speed & armor

the actual gameplay is basically two buttons

[fleet fulcrum]

i see

it'll take a while to go into that build since i am mostly minion dmg based

[gleaming carbon]

did necro get any sort of buffs this season? been absolutely obliterating leveling with a basic random minion zoo build with just few low level uniques and the pebbles set

I always hear people cry about necro leveling being slow

[obtuse quest]

Well, minions are slightly harder to die from bosses now,but that's about it.

[obtuse quest]

It is mid, comparing to other acolyte masteries.

[gleaming carbon]

I just don't really know how I'd level much faster than this since just about anything dies in seconds. like I've played warlock even at it's full broken peak when it was first released and tbh it didn't feel much faster till like way later in the leveling, pretty much to the point where I'd not really consider it leveling anymore(like 70's)

[obtuse quest]

On warlock, you can drop skills and leave, like rogue. Necro still requires you to stay around.

[gleaming carbon]

idk I just sort of walk through the level and my swarm just kills everything in the vicinity

warlock def picks up speed once it gets high enough level to use wheel tho

[pearl snow]

You won’t feel a massive difference until like 50+ and even then depending on your play speed you won’t notice anything at all

Its entirely up to the player on that

[north lance]

Only tanky builds with high damage can handle all the content this season; people are abandoning the game earlier than I thought

[rich bay]

Is that a real thing? People aren't playing?

My mates have joined recently and there's now 4 of us

[north lance]

They left faster than in previous seasons

[fleet fulcrum]

is wraithlord spell or melee dmg

[obtuse quest]

The beam is spell damage

[vivid monolith]

10k 24hr peak isn't bad. There's no new content for people who aren't just grinding, so the s2 rush of people are already done lmao

Most people probably don't even get to abby, I wouldn't say build diversity at 3k corruption and in uber is the thing stopping them

[obtuse quest]

Most people wouldn't even hit 1k corruption

[vivid monolith]

Again, most people probably get to empowered at best

The discord and reddit communities are not made up of the average player

I'm saying his assessment regarding build diversity (or lack thereof) and its relationship to lower player count is probably statistically irrelevant

Considering you can sneeze through the campaign and it doesn't take much to get past that into monos

[obtuse quest]

Well, one statistic we had a good while back is that about 80% of players don't reach empowered.

[restive heron]

but that’s where the game begins

[obtuse quest]

You're starting to see how casual the actual playbase is.

The discord is like the top 10% basically.

[hidden merlin]

Could someone possibly help me with uber aberroth please

[rotund verge]

1st slam hit just need to reroll that int and its good to go

[north lance]

At five in the morning, I was sipping coffee when I glanced at the chat channel and felt depressed 🫡

[pearl snow]

Its Cold dmg its okay

[north lance]

Its type is also awesome, especially for Warlock

[visual girder]

Are there any lich leveling guides/builds?

I mean as in low level to max-ish level

[pearl snow]

Check lastepochtools or maxroll. I’m sure theres generic Acolyte and lich leveling stuff

Pretty sure the general rule of thumb on lich is just don’t transition to Stygian Coal beams too early lol

[obtuse quest]

I don't think they have a lich leveling setup since most just say "Just warlock until you can play your build lmao"

[ashen quest]

What's a go to necro helm besides wraith lord he eats all my dudes lol

[obtuse quest]

Kinda his whole thing.
There's no other necro specific helm, you run what your build needs specifically.

[ashen quest]

Thanks I've been ascending belt and helm and I've got everything else kitted out for necro

[obtuse quest]

Which honestly most likely will be an exalted.

[visual girder]

That was basically all i've come across lol

Only like very few necro guides too but absolutely no lich

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, lich leveling is basically “slap in reaper form and death seal when you can, and pick a main dps spell”

And it’ll still be miles slower than both necro and warlock

[visual girder]

rip

my stygian coal is crying in my stash

[obtuse quest]

Don’t worry, you’ll continue crying if you don’t have enough int or mana

[visual girder]

if my int is too low i wont be crying cause i wont be smart enough to realize that i'm suffering

[obtuse quest]

You’ll 100% feel it since it’ll feel worse than a leveling setup

[visual girder]

screw that im going back to sentinel!

[north lance]

Now I'm the only one grinding levels for Lich the normal way, huh? It's really heartbreaking; I don't want to change the mastery for my character

[pearl snow]

Its cheap at like 70-80

Now if its just you standing on principle

[wintry flame]

I level necro normally 😄

[twilit flume]

Just play Ghostflame lich

Literally immortal and fastest movepseed in the game

I should do one of those meme uber abberorh videos where I eat all the damage for yt

But I've been playing other game

[obtuse quest]

But with what damage?

Uberroth will take you hours to kill lmao

[twilit flume]

It's high damage

[obtuse quest]

Ghostflame? High damage? Are you really sure?

[twilit flume]

Yeah it does rod

[obtuse quest]

Would like to see aberroth kill times tbh

[flint scarab]

this is the first time i ever use julra rings. playing a wraithlord build.
it says after traversal skill the stats are ampd. but when i test out the dmg with dummies. the dmg doesnt change at all. any ideas on how this works?

[obtuse quest]

So, do you have any idea what snapshotting means?

[flint scarab]

no

[obtuse quest]

Okay.
TLDR: Any buffs you have when something is cast that has a duration, it will keep it's 'buffs' for the duration even if it expires during it's cast.

Example: I gain a 2 second +20 spell damage buff. If I cast a Fissure that lasts for 5 seconds, Fissure will keep the +20 spell damage buff until it expires 5 seconds later, even if the buffs expires in 2 seconds.

Same logic, if I cast a Fissure that lasts for 5 seconds, then gain a +50 spell damage buff 3 seconds later, the Fissure does not gain the spell damage buff during the last 2 seconds.

This includes minions, until they're resummoned by a zone change, or die.

[flint scarab]

i see.

thanks

[fleet fulcrum]

What exactly is a time travel skill?

[obtuse quest]

There's two technically. Julra's dungeon's dungeon mechanic, and Volatile Reversal, from Void Knight

[fleet fulcrum]

Interesting

[obtuse quest]

it's technically also a traversal so ehh

[fleet fulcrum]

They could definitely add some more "time travel" with that being the whole theme of the game

[obtuse quest]

It’s currently locked to void shinanigans, and there’s only one void subclass-

[fleet fulcrum]

I see

[pearl snow]

I think he’s the one snapshotting to the moon

[north lance]

My Lich tell me she want

[fleet fulcrum]

i've been following the keeper wraithlord build and got a lp4 usurper's mandate. what prefixes should i be going for on it?

also if i slam it then imprint it, am i still likely to get lp4 drops of it?

[flint scarab]

i mean. suffixes go for minion melee & spell dmg. necro pen. for prefix probs best necro dmg. not much u can do with lp4. lp3 has best in slot already

[fleet fulcrum]

gotcha

[obtuse quest]

Imprint ignores LP.

[fleet fulcrum]

really? i had my lp3 imprinted and then my next drop was lp4

[flint scarab]

i mean what could u possibly add to lp4 that would greatly improve from an lp3

[fleet fulcrum]

i mean nothing i was just hoping that i could reroll the implicits if lp carried over in the imprint

[obtuse quest]

Really. But more of that unique indirectly increases lp rate since you'll get more of that unique

[fleet fulcrum]

fair

[flint scarab]

sad seeing this drop..used to be best belt for wraithlords now its useless

[vivid monolith]

Minion spell, shared pen, parry chance

Your last slot is whatever, make sure it doesn't buff your damage (infernal shades will kill your wraith[s] faster)

[crimson trench]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALpWGN2A

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (14) / Warlock (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,645, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 205.51, Regen: 13.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 256%, Regen: 198/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 65 Int / 5 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 77% / 77% / 74% / 74% / 166% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 884
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,715)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Transplant

[sharp moth]

what would be a good weapon+shield/2h weap replacement for my wraithlord build , i feel like i did many changes adding %minions dmg but the actual dmg is still around 30k-40k /hit

just started empowered monos , doing well but i feel like it is not enough esp the tankiness part

[pearl snow]

What are you currently using

[sharp moth]

some temporary stuff that makes me tanky

[pearl snow]

Usurper’s Mantle is the go to. You can slam Parry Chance on that I think too.
If you really want to buff defensives and lose dmg output, there are several great shields. Cradle of the Erased. Countenance of Majasa, Bulwark if last abyss

Technically you can also use that 1H axe which has block on it lmao

Just isn’t recommended as your dmg output drops significantly without the usual Usurper’s setup I think. I’m not well versed in necro things as much

[sharp moth]

is that necrotic pen that op? i mean technically that and stun immunity for minions are the only big things i can see on it which does confuse me how is it making it the BiS weap

[pearl snow]

necrotic Pen is great.
Potential Health on minion hit is very nice
Max health also nice
+2 to skills very nice
No stun very nice

Easy to get 3LP

Allowing for further dmg output

Nothing really comes close currently

Necro has the added benefit of being able to do nothing but dodge attacks and not generate any threat. That’s always going to be your #1 defense

[sharp moth]

the only thing that works weirdly ofc is this build i found using the cleaver that makes ur int = str and he is stacking up hp and then converting it to ward

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BE6OpX4o

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 96

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (27) / Necromancer (86)

General:

▸ Health: 4,942, Regen: 30.44/s
▸ Mana: 182.83, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 374%, Regen: 162/s
▸ Attributes: 106 Str / 2 Dex / 106 Int / 2 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 86% / 86% / 91% / 87% / 146% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 988
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (224)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,318)
▸ Block Chance: 120%, Mitigation: 47% (1,772)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Summon Wraith / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade / Bone Curse / Transplant

This build has a guide:

Wraithlord Necromancer Minion Build Guide | 1000+ Corruption | 9K Ward | 1.2 by Gringo Gaming

[pearl snow]

Pale Ox and block is doing most of the work

He cant use Usurpers on that build because he’s going low life

That build will most likely feel bad unless you get T7 on gloves

Not nearly enough ward gen

It is very cleaver and definitely tankier than Keepers build for example

[sharp moth]

i see , well for now i guess imma stick with my stuff then until i find that weapon

enough tankiness until higher corruption

[pearl snow]

You can do that block tech without low life I bet too

[sharp moth]

thanks for the assistance

[ornate gyro]

hi i have a question for pure curiosity last season acolyte had build around volatile zombie mostly necro and lich(famously1 tapping aberroth) which performed better? what were their pro and con next to each other? can we still use volatile zombie without the affixe ?

[flint scarab]

Yo has anyone tried running double chrono for a wraithlord?

[flint scarab]

and another question while im here. does cast speed on julra's obsession increase WL attack speed?

[fleet fulcrum]

I assume it does but it should be pretty easy to test

Should I change anything on this before slamming? Other than increasing the tiers

[flint scarab]

what are you slammin on?

just wait for double or triple exalted

[fleet fulcrum]

Probably stymied fate i don't have any good lp uniques rn tho

[vivid monolith]

Should yes

[obtuse quest]

Other than for snapshotting wraithlord dmg it’s pretty L

[obtuse quest]

The old one tap tech is dead.

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[obtuse quest]

no hollow lich tech

[crimson trench]

where would the leech affix go? :v

[obtuse quest]

Mace, gloves.

[crimson trench]

on wep its a small increase to give up leech

gloves yea

would have to get another 2lp atrophy i guess

[obtuse quest]

Not really? You can replace your inc DoT.

Gives you generic 89-110% inc damage and 58-72% more witchfire damage for a T5 on mace.

[crimson trench]

huh builder tooltip is showing 7k* more with it

are they not weighted the same inc DoT and inc dmg from that passive?

[obtuse quest]

The inc damage from hollow lich contributes to Downfall's curse damage to more damage affix, since it's generic.

[calm dome]

Should I prioritize T7 Melee leech or T7 Ignite chance for witchfire on mace

[obtuse quest]

One's a prefix one's a suffix, unless you meant for LP.
If so, ignite.

[calm dome]

Well ideally I would want double T7 of course

Yeah for LP

[crimson trench]

Oh thats insane wtf, layered dmg

[obtuse quest]

Yup.

[lost gale]

Anyone know if bone curse triggers anguish?

I was wondering if you double up on the hits on rare enemies trigger anguish if the rare is also bone cursed

I know it doesn't apply ailments not on its tree, but it is a hit still

[obtuse quest]

Bone Curse's extra hit isn't considered a 'hit' by anything else.

[lost gale]

oh

unfortunate

[flint scarab]

how nice

[north lance]

damn it, it u? Filjil

raw drop

[wintry flame]

It is in some instances, you have to test

Worked for proccing spirit plague, poison chance from golems, and other stuff.

[obtuse quest]

Oh no

[old hull]

I think the only thing it doesn't do is apply ailments, otherwise it's a hit

(and spirit plague's bleed on hit isn't that hit applying the ailment, so it works still)

[lost gale]

shame spirit plague's ailments have such bad scaling because that spirit plague and bone curse is a lot of stacks

[pearl snow]

Truly a shame. My bleed stacks on my build earlier this league probably have at least 200 stacks doing 0 dmg

[lost gale]

is there anything which scales with the raw number of stacks on a target?

other than serpent venom ofc

[obtuse quest]

We(acolyte) don't have that iirc.

[lost gale]

we sort of do actually, poison overload is poison pen per stack up to 400% isn't it? Not that 400 stacks is nearly a high enough cap or poison is good but y'know.

i just recalled it

uncapping poison pen on the overload might be enough to save poison builds

[obtuse quest]

Overload is +4% poison pen per stack up to 400%/100 stacks

[lost gale]

yeah

[obtuse quest]

ANy poison build worth their salt hits 100+ easily.

[lost gale]

available to all acolyte builds too

yeah

nerf the number and uncap it

[obtuse quest]

Oh you meant if it got changed.

[lost gale]

yeah

[obtuse quest]

Yeah that might help poison decently, but that means it's a game of 999+ stacks, which I'm not TOO sure if poison can reach currently.

[lost gale]

poison has some good prolif options for getting giga stacks in clear scenarios

but single target 999+ stacks seems unlikely

or at least it seems hard to achieve

[old hull]

tbf, that's basically what poison used to be and it was brokenly OP

something like that would mean poison would be unusable outside of acolyte, with the exception of outliers like scorpion that just has insane multis

[lost gale]

I doubt it was brokenly op by the standards of 1.2 with umbral blades falconer, stormcrows beastmaster, serpent venom etc

[obtuse quest]

Wouldn't rogue technically be able to use it?

[obtuse quest]

It would be as broken, if not possibly, stronger than serpent venom.

[lost gale]

nah serpent venom has 4 uncapped multipliers going on, even if poison can get to 2-3k pen it's still going to be way behind serpent venom

it's all ultimately one damage bucket

could be implemented with diminishing returns anyway

uncapped but each stack gives less pen than the last

[old hull]

Not any more than it can now, since rogue can't get poison overload

it'd kinda prevent them from being able to buff the poison ailment itself

which is really what it needs imo

[obtuse quest]

Oh yeah true.

[turbid loom]

Anyone tried harvest death seal lich this season?

[brave ocean]

A someone link me a resource on how to build ward? Decay vs retention vs per second etc

[pearl snow]

you dont really build ward using only 1 of those methods

its a combination of all 3

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/ward

The game guide outlines the difference between decay threshold and retention

[brave ocean]

Yeah for sure I was wondering what stat to prioritize and how they inter played

[pearl snow]

the game guide outlines how they interplay. I'm pretty sure retention and threshold don't share a suffix unless its on an idol.

so you just want a lot outside your other resistances

[visual girder]

The game is begging me to play wraithlord i swear

3 wraithlord helments in a row as a mage

[minor scaffold]

Guys, i wanna make a stygian coal lich and there's tons of guides, but i wanted to use harvest instead of drain blood for mana, any tips?

[north lance]

@obtuse quest summon Kzb

[obtuse quest]

Rip blood isn't just for mana, it's also for the flat spell damage buff, and since you stack cast speed already it's very fast.

Besides, harvest forces you to get close to enemies, which is what you don't want to do. And harvest's mana gain is only on a rare prefix, a unique relic, or Spirit Shards (Which doesn't generate THAT much mana).

[minor scaffold]

but its unplayable with harvest? even rip blood being superior i want to use those scythes lich has 😅

[obtuse quest]

You'll lose out on a decent chunk of damage, tank your mana generation, and most likely get yourself killed more often because you're being forced into melee.

If you want to use a scythe, run a dedicated Harvest build instead.

[minor scaffold]

well i wanted to try machine gun lich with scythe, but it's better if i make two different characters

thanks 😄

[obtuse quest]

Yeah, your machine gun wouldn't be a machine gun if you use a scythe-

[north lance]

It need Stygian Coal, like it name

[tribal ledge]

Hey all! I decided to try the game out finally and am following the Warlock build guide from Tevonsonte which has a chartreuse-y recolor on certain items. I've hit monoliths and am trying to discern the exact nature of those items as I've seen very few across the entire campaign and maybe only one in monoliths. It seems like they're the items that maybe make a good base as they have multiple relevant affixes? I just want to make sure before I do something wrong with them.

Relevant links: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/witchfire-warlock

[obtuse quest]

I had to google what chartreuse-y was.

Those are reforged set items, which are crafted onto a normal rare/exalted item with set item shards.
Set item shards are gained by dismantling set items via a specific woven echo. (Related echo: The Great Bridge ; Related set item to dismantle: Sinathia's Dying Breath)

[tribal ledge]

I did notice that color in LETools as a base color for those items as well. This is specifically a loot filter choice. I'll find the relevant lines rq

Thanks for replying btw. I am excited to eventually see the relevant set mace drop

[obtuse quest]

Item filter colors are chosen by the filter, so it's a personal preference. (oopsie)

[tribal ledge]

Looking at these lines, it looks like the green recolor is for I guess mid-tier with all-caps purple as a high-tier boot?

since "shatter items" on this filter are set to be grey, does that mean I'm meant to save these for affixes or to attempt to upgrade/augment?

[obtuse quest]

Seems like it?

[obtuse quest]

Shatter most likely means to destroy via rune of shattering.

[tribal ledge]

That's what I figured. I guess I don't know the crafting system well enough yet to understand what I do with items I'm not shattering

Anyway I decided I wanted to be a dot build from the jump and I'm having fun. Go go gadget warlock. I'll have to watch a video or something on how crafting works.

[obtuse quest]

They are either not shown or should be dropped like the trash they are-

[tribal ledge]

I meant like, the green and purple items that are making it through the filter. Now that I'm in the endgame I assume there are things I should be doing with all the items that are making it through.

[obtuse quest]

Honestly, not sure what they are for, you'll have to consult the guy that made the filter

[tribal ledge]

yeah I didn't tag the username earlier because it's dumb o' clock at night

[pearl snow]

You are correct thats the general idea of the color scheme

If you notice you see way too many of the green items just turn that specific rule off

Purple in general implies it can be crafted / gambled etc

[tribal ledge]

Hey! Thanks for the guide. The build is fun. So few games get dots right.

I'm excited to find out what crafted and gambled mean :p

[pearl snow]

Lol No Problem, good luck

My loot filter is fairly loose in this season so you may find purple colored items here or there a bit lacking when you pick them up

Which is fine up until you start pushing corruption

But even then should be all good

[tribal ledge]

So I literally just lucked into a Meteor Champion wand, which is very high on your filter's priority list. Is this meant to be a base item that I modify?

[north lance]

@obtuse quest What effect does the health loss from using the evade ability of the Nihilis amulet have on Lich Stygian Coal?

[obtuse quest]

Nothing. Don't do it.

[north lance]

Maxroll build is trap lol

[turbid loom]

@obtuse quest Do you know if anyone tried harvest DS? I cant find anything on this, ig lich only has the styg build?

[obtuse quest]

Same thing since 1.0 basically. Nothing new apart from an amulet swap.

[pearl snow]

Kinda, its a unique mod that was interesting. If it showed up with the right mods for the emphasize thats just raw luck. Ideally your endgame weapon is the macr

Mace

I do show some champion mods on that filter I think

Just because they are unique. But they shouldn’t emphasize

[tribal ledge]

Word. I'm still waiting on a decent mace to break through the filter but have had a torch since like level 10.

[pearl snow]

Thats how it be lmao

You could honestly turn off the wand stuff. I usually have that in there for people that don’t read or just can’t find a torch somehow

[crimson trench]

is pestilence (spirit plague) bugged?

can't seem to get higher than 7-8 stacks

[pearl snow]

No

That depends on cast speed mostly / AoE situations

[crimson trench]

ah i see, yeah i get that it will stack really fast in a meaty pack but im just hitting boss dummy rn

[pearl snow]

Yeah thats cast speed then

Duration does not refresh

[crimson trench]

does increased duration affect that node in anyway

ah

[pearl snow]

I don’t think so

It usually states if it inherits duration from somewhere

[tribal ledge]

before I just do an unadulterated google, is there a best guide out there for post-campaign crafting and item manipulation?

I don't trust the algorithm anymore

[obtuse quest]

No, it's a 4 second buff that can't be refreshed.

So it's tied to your cast/appliaction speed.

[tribal ledge]

okay finally got a set shield prophecy that got me my mace

now to get a good mace to imprint it on

[turbid loom]

what amulet you thinking? not nihilis?

[obtuse quest]

Nihilis or the Acid Skin Swine amulet as Plan B. But that's about it.

[turbid loom]

i was thinking nihil for +2skills the res plus a t7 crit multi smal

slam

[pearl snow]

Not that I know of but maybe Maxroll has some general tips / guidelines

Things changed a bit with sealing this time around

[sharp moth]

i keep hearing about this build witchfire lich and it makes me tempted as i heard it is a big zooming build and i would like to transition from wraithlord , wraithlord is niche and consistent but i don't know how to heavily scale its damage and it lags behind sometimes , even with the teleportation with my travel skill

[vivid monolith]

Wraith should only move when you transplant, for starters

And you can get the experimental affix for reducing traversal cd on potion use

[sharp moth]

so i am supposed to use pots to reduce the active cd ? interesting , but the real question what even makes it scale well

int stack , minion dmg % , what else

[obtuse quest]

Lich? Lich can't use Witchfire. You probably meant Warlock.

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/keepers-wraithlord-necromancer

Basically you can feed it with a lot of flat damage.

[sharp moth]

well probably , i am hitting the wrong words for sure , i heard that there is an ultra zoom build and i wanted to prep for it to try it out

[obtuse quest]

It's not that much zoom, but it is pretty fast for Warlock standards, since your clear is stupid good, but your bossing is a bit oof

[sharp moth]

thanks for this link , it is nice to finally see another option for this build

[obtuse quest]

It's also the current documented best wraithlord player. He has hit 5k corruption with it.

[sharp moth]

yep i saw that in the guide , pretty niche ngl , will give it a good swirl , see where it takes me , hopefully not back to my offline erasing VK

[vivid monolith]

Wdym niche

Wraithlord isn't what I'd call niche

[sharp moth]

I was refering to the guide itself , simple and straight to the point

[vivid monolith]

Do you mean nice?

[true blaze]

I want to try and homebrew a non-minion necrotic/dot build - maybe it's a bad question but can this kind of build push 500-700 corruption?

Also why mastery would you go? Assume lich or warlock (leaning to lich)

[autumn bough]

best dot is infernal shade necromancer, best necrotic dot is warlock torment or poison stygian lich

[true blaze]

I'll lookup both, but I know I have a 3lp Stygian in my stash....

[autumn bough]

stygian poison is straight up worse than crit but still better than torment

but both are way worse than shade

[true blaze]

Is shade a minion build? My main thing Is I don't want to deal with snapshotting. Don't necessarily want to kill Uber with the acolyte bit want to see what I can do

[autumn bough]

https://youtu.be/YOZQ1SsWpos

not a minion build but uses zombies to kamikaze into enemies

[true blaze]

Excellent I'll take a look thanks!

[vivid monolith]

No need to snapshot if you play wraithlord necro either, btw

[fleet fulcrum]

is it worth slamming a t7 cast speed on lp1 julra's obsession?

[true blaze]

build link/details?

[tribal ledge]

I'm on the maxroll guide now. I'm still not 100% sure how it all works but I've got a couple of chestpieces with good affixes and am level 70 and would like to start getting things modified

[vivid monolith]

Just Google keeper wraithlord, on mobile no link handy

You basically make wraith into wraithlord w unique helm and just buff the hell out of it, but make it stationary. You are the chauffeur of death

[crimson trench]

does increased dmg while channeling get picked up by righteous relic too as %increased curse dmg?

[true blaze]

Any specific questions? I've messed around with item manip a bit but may be able to help

[true blaze]

Will do thanks! Need to look into this acolyte a bit more than I have so far

[tribal ledge]

Oh man Swarles Barkley

[pearl snow]

If it’s generic increased it might. I assume it does as profane veil increases the dmg of witchfire from the tree and the passive node etc

[pearl snow]

What’s not clear to you? I haven’t read maxrolls guide so I dunno if there is missing info lol

At level 70 I wouldn’t worry about making endgame items

Your main focus at that point is just getting defensives online and ideal prefixes

[tribal ledge]

The maxroll guide just has like 80 bullet points and my lil brain can't hold them all in at once

but I guess that's good enough advice. I can keep grindin'

[pearl snow]

Lol yep, theres super loose guidelines in the Witchfire guide too. Though those are just goals of your gear rather than a how to

Until you hit like 90+ you’ll most likely just be hoping for items that are full T5 useful affixes and ideally a dropped T6 thats useful

[crimson trench]

ya i think it does

[pearl snow]

You can seal off stupid affixes early on by using the glyph in order to targeted remove something useless

[tribal ledge]

you can also seal away something useful you want to keep, right?

[pearl snow]

Also true

[crimson trench]

might be stronger than slamming DoT on the relic maybe?

ghostflame looks fun

[pearl snow]

Potentially

[tribal ledge]

so for something like.... this:

not sure why I thought spoiler would make it smaller

anyway this made it through the filter

[pearl snow]

Kek

So if I got that early on

[tribal ledge]

so this looks like it only has one affix that's particularly useful, but it's also an affix I almost never see

do I just shatter it and hope to see it again on a better robe?

[pearl snow]

I put a prefix on it of whatever I want. Then seal off health regen. Then Put a resistance on it and hope I have enough potential to get everythinf T(

Honestly i’d use removals on that if you wanted to shatter.

[true blaze]

Bare minimum use rune of removal to guarantee getting the shards. Shattering is hit or Miss

[pearl snow]

Removals always guarantee higher amount back compared to a generic shatter yata yata

[tribal ledge]

to just target the one affix since the rest suck and it's RNG otherwise

gotcha

[pearl snow]

Removal on exalted affixes.
Shatter generic items with rarer affixes

[tribal ledge]

word

the labeling on the filter has been great, I just didn't know exactly what to do with the things that made it through

and now that I have the set mace, I'm basically digging around for a decent mace with ignite chance?

given that maces are not caster weapons and can roll with a million worthless affixes this is actually quite the chase lol

[pearl snow]

Yes you need ignite

T6 to get started T7 ideally. I think I have a chase mace in the build guide too.
But the fire pen base is BiS for dmg

You can something something crazy like

Suffixes Fire Pen and Ignite chance.
Sealed Necrotic Dmg
Prefixes % DoT and Curse Set

[true blaze]

@tribal ledge if you open your loot filter with the items on the ground, it will highlight which rule is making the time show up. Most premade filters will tell you what to do ie. "Rule 23: shatter for less common affixes"

Then you can open the actual rule and see what affixes are highlighted and better understand exactly what your goal is

If you're looking for a mace with ignite change there are a number of ways to straight up craft one depending on FP and exalted or not, tier of other affixes etc

[tribal ledge]

Funnily enough Tevonsonte's filter has a very precise line item for the mace so I should recognize it when I see it

[true blaze]

That message is all jumbled on phone, swap 2nd/3rd paragraph 😂

[pearl snow]

Your phone really wanted to auto correct that lmao

[true blaze]

Man this is what I get for switching to android

[tribal ledge]

the filter tbf shows me basically any half-decent mace, but so few make it through that I know it's looking out for me

[pearl snow]

Im glad my filter is coherent. I wasn’t quite sure it would be lmao

[tribal ledge]

you know, this filter stuff looks so much like my old WoW setups for TellMeWhen that once I started digging I was like "okay this all makes sense"

the hard part was just knowing what to do with the items that got through

[pearl snow]

Holy shit tell me when

Thats a throwback

[tribal ledge]

it was also just a pile of if/when flags with a priority list

okay so removal runes are random

so it's 1-4 to remove the shards you want, but you get all the shards?

[true blaze]

theyre random, but guarantee shards = to tier

[tribal ledge]

seems okay I suppose

right

[true blaze]

use glyph of hope to retain some fp at the same time

[tribal ledge]

ooh forgot about that

clever

[tribal ledge]

alrighty, got a barbute and a torch with 2LP

and my downfall

things are lookin' up

[north lance]

What are 3 good affixes for Lich gloves? Int, hybrid health, and cast speed, or mana and shred armor?

[obtuse quest]

Yes. Problem: It only applies when you're channeling. Which means you need to apply a new instance of witchfire while you're channeling.

Great for clear, useless for bossing.

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[north lance]

Kill it

😅

[north lance]

This belt gives too many 3lp, but I tried sacrificing over 100 woven echoes of this type to exchange for another type last week

[crimson trench]

wait real? witchfire is snapshotted? thats terrible

[obtuse quest]

ALL ailments are snapshotted.

Anything with a duration is snapshotted.

Fissure can snapshot buffs.

[crimson trench]

profane buff seems to give the increase right away in the same witchfire instance, at least global increase works

[old hull]

Profane is a unique case. There are some effects that apply based on enemy state and those are calculated at the moment they deal damage, but technically are still snapshot at the time of cast as well.

Profane is unique because it seems to just passively grant you that conditional stat globally, so it effectively doesn't snapshot

[crimson trench]

yeah

damn..i guess you would have to apply the overloads with ghostflame itself to get the most benefit from channel dmg increase

[old hull]

If you're using the relic, it reapplies witchfire every second, so as long as you are channeling ghostflame it'll keep overwriting any existing applications with channel-buffed ones

and then if you stop, those will get overwritten by non-channel-buffed ones unless your overloads ran out so the relic is 'off'

[crimson trench]

good point

the dream isn't dead then, now to solve for mana 😂

[north lance]

Lich Stygian Coal plays barely any different from my Ballista character 😂

[lost gale]

except much worse, right?

[north lance]

Yeah

[lost gale]

at least your lich doesn't have to play whack a mole with potions I guess

everything else though

[north lance]

I heard people say Lich is very tanky, but for now, I only see it placing a laser-guided zone and then running around. Rip blood probably only provides flat spell damage buff and doesn’t restore much mana ☠️

[obtuse quest]

It's 9 mana per cast when it costs 0, also heals keep yourself toped off while in reaper form.

[north lance]

Sure, it needs monsters to do that, but how many times can I attack?

[obtuse quest]

How much int can you stack?

[north lance]

Still lvling 143int now

Maybe better if her up 81

[obtuse quest]

And do you have mad ladle?

[crimson trench]

man...ghostflame is so costly without stacking int

can we make witchfire scale off int? this is so counter intuitive 😂

[lost gale]

nope

[crimson trench]

i know we can't its an ask

[lost gale]

yeah, witchfire and spirit plague's ailments lol

what is scaling lol

[obtuse quest]

Heyhey, grimhildes already gives it a stupid modifier!

[crimson trench]

i know but they could decrease the magnitude of that modifier and let us stack int...i'm going to have to stack ghostflame idols and manaregen i think

[obtuse quest]

You'll most likely lose damage since the stupid modifier is a 'more' modifier while int is just increased.

[crimson trench]

yeah, im just thinking of boosting witchfire through a bunch of channel dmg bonus

its also one of the easiest ways to get DR for lock

just high mana cost rn

[obtuse quest]

You'll need a lot of efficency idols otherwise it's screwed.

[crimson trench]

ye, wondering if just grabbing 4 but getting the channel dmg bonus will offset the lost of damned chance

[lost gale]

thing is idols are a big source of damage for witchfire. You're only getting damned chance from three places

also the weaver 20% ignite idols

[crimson trench]

right

the increased dmg while channeling is nice though..i recently learned it gets picked up by the witchfire relic too

[obtuse quest]

The generic ones do yeah. But calculation wise I'm not too sure if it's worth more than the damned chance gives.

[crimson trench]

build concept im toying around with atm, caved in to LL for that huge increased and overall qol for the build, its alot of MS for ghostflame https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMEwN9EB

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (20) / Warlock (67)

General:

▸ Health: 2,016, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 283.51, Regen: 15.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 206%, Regen: 124/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 40 Int / 5 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 165% / 65% / 65% / 52% / 64% / 163% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 403
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (914)

Used skills:

Chaos Bolts / Ghostflame / Bone Curse / Profane Veil / Chthonic Fissure

[calm dome]

Anyone try to use ghostflame to buff Wraiths with Spirit Kindling node? Is it not worth using it to buff their ignite chance

[shell zodiac]

hey guys im new to the game. is stygian off hand unique not that hard to find?

[pearl snow]

It’s fairly common among uniques so no. You can check via https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=Stygian&in_description=1&exact_match=0

[north lance]

so hard for me 🤨

[north lance]

Failed craft, just casually smashing, but now I have to find a sacrificial item to reroll 🤣

[north lance]

Is there any tool to calculate crit chance for Lich, guys?

[obtuse quest]

Pen and paper.

[lost gale]

nice

[north lance]

Oh, why didn’t I get a single good catalyst after over 1000 hours of playing Warlock last season?

She work at 1k corruption ☠️

[north lance]

Damn it, hard to add endurance for my Lich... just blessing

[crimson trench]

damn, mine just failed last night hit void res instead oh well

[north lance]

The damage is too low to farm echoes at 2k2, running extremely slowly

[crimson trench]

what are you playing

[north lance]

Lich Stygian Coal, deals damage to a single target but the damage isn't strong enough to clear echo mobs

[crimson trench]

ahh, i see

asking cause those are boots for bleed, unless lich needs it too?

[north lance]

Ms and stats

[obtuse quest]

Top tier built in movespeed, and provides Int.

[lost gale]

those boots have 30% ms and lots of stats, that's why people use them when they DGAF about bleed

[north lance]

let me find for her dual t7 armor, last try

Kills Nemesis quickly, but struggles with large groups of monsters; she finds it hard to farm at high corruption

[crimson trench]

yeah, that makes sense. figured as lich you would want the LL boots

[obtuse quest]

Low life?

Lich almost never plays low life.

[old hull]

If she does, it's probably health based death seal type stuff, so LL ward items are no good

[crimson trench]

seems so backwards

[obtuse quest]

Lich wants low life, but NOT via the usual low life ward setup.

[old hull]

Lich definitely has some issues, hopefully S3 takes a stab at solving them

[obtuse quest]

Since Death Seal locks your ward to 0, low life ward does nothing.

[crimson trench]

throw in warlock too pls lol

[obtuse quest]

Warlock has issues?

Warlock is a fairly balanced class at least in LE's context.

[old hull]

Necro is being thrown in. I'm sure warlock will feel something indirectly, though.

[pearl snow]

Base Acolyte will probably change since there was a rip blood teaser

Lock is comfy

[crimson trench]

i dont like the investment required for witchfire

[pearl snow]

Witchfire has a super low ceiling

[old hull]

Yeah, base acolyte is definitely getting changes

[crimson trench]

this doesn't really feel good to dump half your pts into

[pearl snow]

Thats your personal preference lol. What else are you putting warlock points into???

Not dots?

[obtuse quest]

That's more of a witchfire thing.

Torment is... very funny and on the other side of the scale.

[crimson trench]

it is, but if you look at sentinel they have great scaling node that work on its own

its just modern vs outdated design

[pearl snow]

I guess? But Warlock supports nearly every DoT type

[obtuse quest]

Warlock came out on 1.0, where it's already a modern design-

[pearl snow]

And those nodes directly tie into Witchfire later

[obtuse quest]

It is pretty modern and 'balanced' comapred to... a lot of other stuff actually.

[pearl snow]

Its perfect progression with no downsides of stopping early

If you continue investing you get the best modifier “more”

Both the 5 point and 8 points are not wasted

[obtuse quest]

Witchfire's needed investment works with itself so it's already miles ahead better than some passive trees.

[pearl snow]

Warlock’s problem isn’t its passive

It’s DoT proflieration and unique items which help spread or stack DoTs. And that isn’t a design problem its a game life problem

[crimson trench]

look at rot grip/judgement of the storm for example

[pearl snow]

As time goes on you get more cool stuff

[crimson trench]

im aware, i mainly play shaman

it just doesn't feel good investing half my pts into is all, never said the class was weak

[lost gale]

Warlock's built in dot prolif kinda sucks compared to rot ripples and even the healing hands electrify thing.

I think they're just too conservative with the balancing of proliferating & single stack ailments generally speaking (hopefully rot grip & rot ripples won't make them even moreso)

[crimson trench]

ye

[old hull]

Yeah, warlock is super modern. Not to say it doesn't have issues, just that it is definitely not at the top of the list for big changes - probably close to the bottom tbh.

[crimson trench]

i pivoted to bleed lock just cause of my gripe with that middle branch lol

[obtuse quest]

It at least works within itself, and the investment DOES let you clear trash for cheap, so I think it's decently balanced.

[lost gale]

I think witchfire is pretty good even if the ceiling is low

[obtuse quest]

It aligns with the "Warlock is a DoT master" thing as well.

[lost gale]

It's still very very sweet for clearing monos with downfall

that's a big radius which is up for a long time

[crimson trench]

yeah its nice to play, not sure how this devolved into a power scale conversation lol

[lost gale]

but yeah, you ain't doing uber with witchfire unless you're a glutton for punishment. That 27 minute werebear uber kill is probably slower than what witchfire could theoretically manage, but witchfire LL can't facetank like that

[obtuse quest]

Someone was crazy enough to actually do that? Props to them

[lost gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9BN7301-Ok

[crimson trench]

plenty of glassy builds do uber tho, its skill fight

[obtuse quest]

That is commitment alright.

[gleaming carbon]

I hope they really go all out with the acolyte changes next season. Obviously acolyte isn't in as bad of a place as sentinel was, but I still really want them to dig into everything ans shake things up a lot

[obtuse quest]

As long as they actually change Lich I think most people would be happy.

...Which means this channel will be crowded.

[gleaming carbon]

yea lich would be priority 1, then necromancer. though necro doesn't need tons of work just a lot of adjustments to skill trees etc

almsot every decent necro build builds the same way

certain skill paths are just way better

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, unless Dread Shade gets a rework, Necro setups will most likely stay the same style.

[old hull]

For necro, the main thing I really want is just smarter AI

[gleaming carbon]

I think necro is overall in a good place right now, with it having at least 1 skeleton, golem, and wraith based build each that can do pretty high corruption comftorably. I think I'd just likme to see changes that encourage more variety

[lost gale]

the witchfire change I'd like them to make is to change The Ashen One to give % chance to apply witchfire on-hit when you have both overloads rather than the single AOE application not associated with any skill in particular.

Downfall of the Righteous would still be essential for the more multiplier and the aura would be usable for clear etc but you could juice witchfire with some skill multipliers for single target

[gleaming carbon]

also just buff golem. I don't care if it becomes unbalanced buff golem. I love golem

warlock is the hardest to get right I think. it's really easy to make it underpowered or overpowered as it is now

with how the class works you gotta be careful of any changes you make

[old hull]

They wouldn't play well together without some "smart" application logic like they added for time rot and friends

[gleaming carbon]

I wonder if there is a way to solve The Melee Problem(tm all rights reserved) for basic wraiths

[obtuse quest]

What a timeline we're in comapred to 1.0 Warlock where slapping boneclamor means your defenses are solved.

[gleaming carbon]

I love the swarm of wraith playstyle but most everyone just ends up using burning wraiths because 1: not melee and 2: easy to scale

[obtuse quest]

They technically scale the same. THe issue is almost all "Not melee".

[lost gale]

doesn't the highest damage ailment just not get overwritten by lower damage ones?

[obtuse quest]

The old logic doesn't take into account duration left.

[gleaming carbon]

I'm waiting for the unique next season that just gives normal wraiths a projectile attack

so far no AARPG has solved The Melee Problem

[old hull]

That's only for time rot, doom, and maybe one other thing.
For all other ailments, the oldest stack always gets overwritten.

[lost gale]

oh so downfall of the righteous would continuously overwrite your hit-applied witchfire?

[old hull]

Yeah

[pearl snow]

I gave it a whole 2mins before I said nope not gunna happen

[gleaming carbon]

is next season also when we get skill sigils? I forget

[lost gale]

how much dps was your witchfire doing to Uber?

[old hull]

But the logic change would be easy to implement, they just gotta do it alongside some on hit effect, if they ever do add that

[pearl snow]

I’ve completely forgotten honestly. But it was doing 1mil a tick to boss dummy

So I’d say anywhere between 10-50k

[old hull]

No

[pearl snow]

Its do-able but I’m not that crazy

[gleaming carbon]

hot take: I think long ass uber abby kills are fine. it's basically the last challenge of the game and once you do this you can pretty much say your done with that character. I don't think it's bad having a long slog of a fight, it's not like you're gonna farm him

[gleaming carbon]

pain

[pearl snow]

As much as I’d like a world first

[crimson trench]

thats not bad, honestly ive been toying around with channeling spells/dmg and it seems an avenue to push witchfire dmg

[lost gale]

lots of falconers and VKs are farming him

[old hull]

As far as we know, S3 is lich + necro focus and chapter 10 (ancient era)

[pearl snow]

That version is only usable on ST however and lacks defensives without very specific gear so

It’s rough

[gleaming carbon]

yea but they are extreme outliers and it's also pointless to do so because once you can farm him you don't need anything from him anyways

if you can farm uber abby you have no use for anything he can drop in any meaningful way

there is nothing bigger to get stronger for

[pearl snow]

It was Calamity and Soulfire

So no boneclamoir and hybrid = death

I don’t think there really is a way for Acolyte to tank anything Uber does to you. Just gotta be a giga gamer on the weaker stuff

[crimson trench]

you get insane DR for channeling on lock though

[pearl snow]

Yeah but you channel veil and thats about it

[lost gale]

torment warlock is pretty funny with just how much it makes necrotic res the god stat

[gleaming carbon]

I honestly feel like no class should be able to tank uber abby to any real degree

[pearl snow]

Yeah torment just aligns it super well

[obtuse quest]

It's hilarious.

[gleaming carbon]

if he's meant to be the final challenge make people learn his mechanics

[crimson trench]

poor ghostflame left out of the party

[pearl snow]

I agree 100%

I think Uberroth not being done by most builds is 100% fine

You just need 1 or 2 that can do it

[gleaming carbon]

uber abby should be busted, unfair and BS

[pearl snow]

And I think everyone does

[gleaming carbon]

he literally exists purely for prestige for people who've dfon everything else

so just make him blatantly unfair in the most annoying ways

[lost gale]

funniest uber abby thing is swarmblades one tapping him

it's even funnier than javelin timerot stuff

[gleaming carbon]

they need to add more lifegates to him and mechanics that ignore player defenses tbh. just force an actual fight

[lost gale]

there are swarmblades out there one tapping 4p scaled uber abby

[vivid monolith]

Yes, though it is one hit after stacking thousands of ailments

Not just one actual instance of damage

[lost gale]

yeah but it stacks thousands of ailments in like 3s

[vivid monolith]

I'm just being pedantic about the definition of one tap

I hate when people in games say "bro oneshot me with the combo"

5 hits isn't a one-shot

Like people saying they get one-shot by the possessed shotgun

But they die to the third hit

[lost gale]

fair enough. Uber goes from ~99.5% EHP to loot pinata in the first tick of serpent venom, it's closer than most vidya one taps that people talk about

[gleaming carbon]

most things in an rpg aren't one taps to begin with even when they look like they are

it's more like a huge chain of events are happening, just very quickly

it only looks like a oneshot

[vivid monolith]

One hit triggering 10 instances of damage would count as a one-shot imo, but hitting the boss 20 times then doing the big hit wouldn't, yknow

Builder spender is disqualified (for being lame )

[north lance]

After playing Lich for two days, I miss my Torment Warlock character. Lich is too tiring to play and doesn’t meet my expectations

[gleaming carbon]

yea, tried stygian coal lich for a bit but it's just too much BS

all so I canm just become a worse version of wraithlord myself

[lost gale]

try misha's flickering shadows build, it's quasi automated, very tanky and quite fun imo

that's a necromancer tho FWIW

[brave ocean]

isnt there a puncture bug for rogue that can one shot anything

including uber

[obtuse quest]

What puncture bug?

[wintry flame]

Yeah, the puncture net traps + dmg per sec channeling ramp the puncture time infinitely until you self cast it

[north lance]

got it, last try

[crimson trench]

is it flayer or demise here, am i crazy for wanting to play demise lol https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3DXRY0A

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (26) / Warlock (67)

General:

▸ Health: 2,067, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 356.51, Regen: 19.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 312%, Regen: 183/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 13 Dex / 122 Int / 3 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 48% / 48% / 86% / 106% / 165% / 94%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 413
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (193)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,672)
▸ Block Chance: 20%, Mitigation: 24% (400)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Ghostflame / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Bone Curse / Rip Blood

[gleaming carbon]

Ah yes. Smough's armor

[obtuse quest]

....That's REALLY funny. How the hell did that get in.

[flint scarab]

spent max favor buying 1lp ladles for turtle. only got 1 3lp

[flint scarab]

this hits dmg cap on dummies its funny af

[obtuse quest]

I'll like to say both are bad for different reasons:
Flayer: Health Gain On Kill isn't negated by Hollow Lich.
Demise: You literally kill your own defense layer every 3 seconds.

Also, crit strike multi blessing when ward decay threshold is right there?

[crimson trench]

i have so much DR it makes up for it i think

true, but wont i have enough -health drain for flayer?

[obtuse quest]

You’ll still lose ward, if you kill fast enough the drain will NOT be fast enough. See: low life builds the moment they use the mana health gain node in chaos bolts.

[obtuse quest]

That’s kinda debatable, you’re still killing off like at least 5k ehp at that health level.

[crimson trench]

you're saying iget 5kehp if i take ward decay over crit multi?

[obtuse quest]

And if you’re not using flayers you’ll probably be at like 100 hp or less when demise pop, which means any funny big hit has a nice chance to delete you.

[obtuse quest]

No as in when demise eats your ward up.

[crimson trench]

i know ,i put 1 pt i havew to feel it out a...if i drop it it doesn't make sense to run bone curse but bone curse is so good

oh nah i was memeing about demise LOL

[obtuse quest]

Thank god