💀┃acolyte

[last sentinel]

just because you can adapt, doesn't mean everyone can, that's the main point of following a guide

[tropic bobcat]

I'd say because I can, everyone else can, im just your average joe lol

[obtuse quest]

The problem at least for that specific build is that his warnings are kinda not enough, and I'm not too sure if it's the guides fault or just the builds' demand in general.

[sleek summit]

its obv that some builds can be gear dependant, either enabled by unique effects or a cap or stats

this shouldnt be stipulated

[sleek summit]

prob the demand imo, ppl wants everything without doing any effort nowaday

[obtuse quest]

People still run into issues anyway, the amount of people who asked about their coal build feeling bad is... kinda common.

[last sentinel]

not limited to lich tho

[obtuse quest]

I'm mostly talking about lich right now.

[sleek summit]

look in rogue channel, everyday ppl are complaining about having issues with falc umbral LOL

[gaunt abyss]

Maxroll i think are better than just coming up with something youre self if you dont have the knowledge.
Tou will just make a mess, with skills and nodes that done work together

[tropic bobcat]

Idk I pivoted to stygian from another build, only when I had the coal unique. Felt fine and progressed also fine as I got more and more gear

[sleek summit]

ppl are just dumb af

[obtuse quest]

Since lich is... kinda gear demanding.

[tropic bobcat]

Do people expect to blast right away? There's progression, that's the nice part

[sleek summit]

I started coal lich yesterday and I started as lich, I know the game so I adapted myself

[obtuse quest]

Some people can't even go back to their old power point before the swap is kinda the issue.

[sleek summit]

true

[tropic bobcat]

tf how? 😂

[obtuse quest]

You ask me why? I'm honestly not sure.

[sleek summit]

cause they didnt learned it, they just followed steps and cant do it in reverse

[obtuse quest]

Warlock IS really good at doing whatever you want up till like empowered. Lich can't do that without proper setups.

[sleek summit]

2 digits IQ players

[tropic bobcat]

Ah well, that's not a guides fault tbh

[gaunt abyss]

And they probably don't understand how the calss/build work

[sleek summit]

thats a keyboard/chair interface issue

[obtuse quest]

Sometimes it's also about them not having the gear to enable it, since coal requires more than just the uniques.

[sleek summit]

80% of the time they didnt took time to read the "build scaling part"

and don't understand why they do no dmg

if they read the entire guide, they would be fine

but they just PUT POINTS

uuuuuh

[last sentinel]

or just watch the demo video at the end clearing mono with no info on zone or damage number on screen and expect it to be good

[sleek summit]

yeah "me like it, me do this, me put points"

"guys please help with build"

[tropic bobcat]

Stygian is also really simple to scale lol, get as much int as you can while balancing defenses

boom done

[gaunt abyss]

Stygain is the laser lich right?

[sleek summit]

they prolly just read the default int tooltip, see ward retention, and think its bad

yeah

[tropic bobcat]

yeap

[sleek summit]

just - don't blame maxroll if you can't read or use brain

[gaunt abyss]

Maxroll is good for a direction/focus to the build.

[sleek summit]

yeah it is, then u cross infos with other letools planners

[last sentinel]

so a build compendium rather than a build guide ?

[sleek summit]

oh the anti-maxroll andy is typing

be prepared

[hard swan]

I should clarify my comment about the maxroll builds i've seen (of course some are probably good, some bad). they have been very gear depenednt, as in, you dont have every LP2/3 and they are just not going to even perform at all below that level... and they will have a "leveling" path, but the expectations for the build performance below ideal gear is too low for me (in 4 maxroll builds ive looked at)

[tropic bobcat]

I'll say it again, I pivoted to stygian coal with only that unique and the Ladle, no other uniques or LP, and it did fine

[sleek summit]

yeah as etay said they give a direction, and they give u basic understanding of abilities/scaling u will know

I played stygian yesterday as 36 w the unique catalyst, was fine lol

[tropic bobcat]

Obv you can't be lvl 70 and expect to machine gun sentry like lizard with perfect gear

[sleek summit]

now doing emp

[tropic bobcat]

but that is not a guide or maxroll fault, just the way it is

and thankfully so

[hard swan]

my builds comeonline below 50 and mass aoe everything

[tropic bobcat]

ok?

[sleek summit]

and so maxroll leveling ones

[tropic bobcat]

and?

[hard swan]

i watch them play the maxroll builds and they are so slow

[sleek summit]

skill issue if player use an endgame guide as starter

[tropic bobcat]

maxroll lvling guide gets you to empowered monos

[sleek summit]

yeah

[tropic bobcat]

prob better than yours

[sleek summit]

now that u can swap mastery the best way is to follow the leveling route with the op mastery, rollface everything then respec later on

[tropic bobcat]

Indeed

[sleek summit]

I choosed to go straight for stygian for my alt just cause I choosed it, for fun

but I won't complain, cause I know it won't shine before a while

[quick jewel]

I did the same 😄 from lvl 36

[obtuse quest]

Ehhhh that depends. The warlock one is kinda... mid? Compared to the other warlock options we have.

Like, it works. But it could be much faster.

[tropic bobcat]

Idk I flew through everything with that build

Melted everything until lvl 70

Then tried my own death seal build, didnt really work

and pivoted to stygian

[obtuse quest]

I did say it works, it just feels a bit messier to pivot after, since it doesn't do any normal warlock things.

[hard swan]

its all a question of how fast or how slow... if i can't suicide pull maps starting around level 45, the build is too slow for me to level with...

[obtuse quest]

One could just run torment ignoring the crit multi and you'll get to know how normal warlock setups works along the way as well.

[last sentinel]

damn, i'm slower than a snail then 😆

[tropic bobcat]

So you dont like maxroll cuz you kill things 0.1s faster 😄

[hard swan]

lol?!?

[tropic bobcat]

Maxroll is just fine, no need to blanket them as "shit builds"

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, torment leveling is probably an hour faster on avg.

Since it's pretty hands off.

(And honestly somewhat easier to gear for, for people who don't really know what they're doing)

[hard swan]

there are alot of builds on maxroll, and certainly ive only seen a few of them... so generalizing is probably not appropriatel.. i have not liked the 4 builds ive seen from people having problems

[tropic bobcat]

If you are following a guide you aren't really speedrunning so i dont really see how it matters tbh

Their purpose is to make new players win

[hard swan]

which works better with less gear dependent builds 🙂 (IMO)

[tropic bobcat]

Again, lvling guide gets you to emp monos, no gear needed other than the one you find in the ground with the stats the guide tells you to get

Literally made with fresh starts in mind

Idk where you are getting "gear dependant" from

[obtuse quest]

Gotta at least teach some basic gearing things like basic crafting.

[vivid valve]

How is the mono clear on spine whip Uber killed build

Bad as Abom?

[last sentinel]

flame whip ?

[obtuse quest]

Flame whip?

[vivid valve]

Whatever

You know

[last sentinel]

unless a variant has been out

[obtuse quest]

Close enough. Kinda L as well, but I think just slightly better than abom since it has DoT.

[vivid valve]

Oh

[tropic bobcat]

Maxroll has guides on crafting in general, the build should just focus on what makes the build work and what affixes you need

[last sentinel]

you can make Abom survive abby ?

[obtuse quest]

Probably can, it's one big minion that takes the health of the minions it eats, after all.

[weary talon]

hello erm quick question still figuring out warlock. Will damage over time (Dot) Proc the kill threshold nodes from lich tree?

[hard swan]

finally! my santum key drop

[obtuse quest]

No, unless the DoT is a spell.

[weary talon]

awsome thanks for info much appreciated 🙂

[dusk flicker]

could anyone help me figure out why my stygian coil lich feels pretty bad to run monos with (single target is good)

at 300 corruption

[sleek summit]

same

[hard swan]

okay strategy question... trying to get faster.. im level 63 doing monos with the campaign unfinished, my sanctum key just dropped, but I don't have any LP1 ready to slam... would you run sanctum now for the points and idol slots, or wait until there is a legendary to slam?

[sleek summit]

dont slam anything on t1 julra

guaranted slam is t2+ now

[obtuse quest]

Why would you? T1 gives you no affix choice

[sleek summit]

just run it

maybe u should follow a maxroll speedrun pathing guide

[tropic bobcat]

Post your char planner here

[dusk flicker]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/conoros/character/Necrowalbert

[hard swan]

ohh right, i forgot...

[tropic bobcat]

You have pretty nice gear, I think my gear is slighly worse than yours and Im at 500c and beat normal Aberroth

What is the issue you are facing?

[dusk flicker]

just takes so long to kill some pack of mobs

[sleek summit]

not spamming enough or not using death seal enough

prolly ?

[dusk flicker]

im standing there doing circles for like 10 seconds, with death seal is great

[tropic bobcat]

you need to be spamming rip blood

[barren lintel]

shouldnt you also be clicking soul blast

[tropic bobcat]

You dont need, but it helps with AoE sure

should be the last point out of 26

But you need to make use of Rip Blood increased spell damage

Arcane Absorb node

[barren lintel]

well they are having issue with aoe so i would just click it now

[sleek summit]

not enough beeeeeams

[dusk flicker]

hmm i use rip blood mostly to just move the beams, i do kinda spam it on bosses, but maybe thats why

i'll give it a go

[sleek summit]

rip blood is here to stack global spell dmg on hit + recover mana so you spam more beams

u do rotation wrong

thats why u struggle

[dusk flicker]

well that's my issue too, i see videos and ppl saying just tap drain life every 5 secs, some say spam it

[barren lintel]

yea if you arent clicking rip blood then i assume you only have 1 dark shackles instance going

which sucks

[barren lintel]

the beams stack

[dusk flicker]

ahh gotcha

[barren lintel]

easy to test against target dummy as well

[sleek summit]

just spam both spells, and u should be fine

its builder/spender

[dusk flicker]

thanks guys!

[barren lintel]

also if your single target is fine i would drop the 2 unholy mass points and put the points into throughtsteal and soul blast

and then grab unholy mass after

[dusk flicker]

oh not sure why i had points to spare

but i have 24

[sleek summit]

u have +4 on chest pbbly

[barren lintel]

alright then put those 2 points in those 2

[sleek summit]

+2 is enough tho

[dusk flicker]

have +3

i'll try soul blast

[barren lintel]

and the remaining into last unholy mass

[last sentinel]

also if you could get an empowered blessing crit avoid from reign of dragon instead of all res which are very overcapped, getting crit by mob isn't fun

[barren lintel]

alternatively you can also dump the unholy mass points into the soul blast aoe if you rly want even more clear :d

as the nodes behind give it quite a lot of aoe

[tropic bobcat]

If you unequip your chest with +points to imprint for example you lose those points and need to apply them again

that caught me off guard the first time too

[dusk flicker]

yeah, though i hadn't re-equiped my chest today so idk what that was haha

[sleek summit]

arcane absorption buff stacks aren't displayed on the hud right ?

[barren lintel]

right

[worldly path]

Hey, for Abomination necro, with all the snapshot abuse possible, what "level" of gear would I need to kill Uber Abberoth quickly?

Trying to decide on a build to chain farm that guy 😄

[autumn oriole]

Having fun with abomination at the moment. But I dont know why snapshotting rings are using Phantom Grip

[hard swan]

is there some rhyme or reason to when aura of decay turns itself off? sometimes it stays on between zone changes, sometimes it turns off unexpectedly (between levels in sanctum)

[last sentinel]

minion base crit chance or something probably

[autumn oriole]

But we have Egoism from dread_shade = Minion Always Crits

[lament kernel]

but thats only the minion that has the shade?

[last sentinel]

crit is mostly why any minion build would get grip unless it really need minion skill

[autumn oriole]

But we abomination only use one minion, right?

or... it's because of we need to keep the same skill level for minion after switching back to survival gears?

as long as the level remains the same it would not make abomination disappeared. Is that right?

[last sentinel]

gonna need a necro expert

[autumn oriole]

What other builds are people playing?

[quiet gorge]

how are minion builds atm? im bored of warlock and looking to branch out. sadly I dont have aarons will yet

[hard swan]

im playing a super fun marrow shards/blood-fisure build...

[finite galleon]

The first 30 points of skill points into abom is quite valuable. Maybe the person who built it that way has a very strong usurper's mandate, but not a strong naal's tooth + incorrect history set up?

[finite galleon]

From what I have tried this is not the case. You can in fact completely despec abom once you've committed to some zone

[autumn oriole]

loved your knowledge. I am following LizardIRL's build. +4 from rings, +5 from relic. and I cound not find the last skill point to get 30.

[finite galleon]

If this is the starting setup, using Aaron's will for the last point is going to be kinda free. If you equip it, summon your 4 types of golems, then unequip it, summon your 3 types of skellies, then re-equip it, you get to keep everything (while despeccing golems)

From what i can tell Aaron's will actually dynamically tracks your max skelly total (and so does despeccing skills in general, they track your max count)

that means if you want to keep your 4 types of golems

skellies needs to stay on your specialisation bar till you're done channeling your abom

then you can take it off just fine

This is all quite doable, the frequent speccing and despeccing of set up skills (with some points invested into their resp minion health nodes), due to the skill points gear in your snapshot set up

Although I'm using julra's sundial instead

or I would, if I can just stop bricking the 2lp ones

(btw abom checks your stats upon the start of its channeling process, not the end)

Otherwise you can do some disgusting things with switching items on and off during it to net more types....

I think the best generic stat stick of a chest piece for snapshotting is from that Mountain set from the big plant thingy dungeon? It's not that much INT, and 2LP of that thing is not easy to get either

[ornate gyro]

hi beside snapshot what made abomination suddenly stronger ?

[obtuse quest]

Abom has always been strong, but took a lot of effort. Excluding the effort rating, abom and wraithlord was always neck and neck.

[finite galleon]

IT IS CUTER THAN WRAITHLORD

🤮 Imagine summoning an empty husk of a spectre thingy

[ornate gyro]

ok since neither were touched this patch this more a trend offered by max roll than an meta shift ? cause atm best summon is crow or abomination(including snapshot )?

[finite galleon]

@autumn oriole btw check out Henrik's spicy tech on sneaking age of undeath in there, on your abom that absorbed non skelly minions https://youtu.be/r9JJGaUzlaw?si=vzwPAtN3saIx5YZg

[autumn oriole]

I haven't gone that far yet still farming gears and T7 mods for julra's unique smashing. My current setting does not involve despecting, only swapping gears. With Age of undeath I don't even worry about golems. maybe I will need to once in high corruption. I did try Hollow Finger for +1 skele, however, there seems to be an issue that if the number of skele does not match after swapping. the decay would occur and abom will die fast.

[arctic turtle]

update: leveling as melee lich is rough

[obtuse quest]

Welcome to lich.

[arctic turtle]

I believe the issue with leveling as lich is that their main ability upon selecting lich is a cooldown designed around trying to have high uptime but it's too early in the game to achieve such uptime, so really limited to acolyte damage abilities which kinda drop off around the time masteries are selected

drain life isn't great either that early, and it seems like Lich has less abilities than other classes, maybe they will get a new ability, I woudl suggest making reaper form or whatever it's called the 35 passive point ability and give them a new starting ability

[finite galleon]

Yeah tbh you never quite need to do it unless you're going for some leaderboard stuff, I'm doing it just for fun. Age of undeath is going to trigger whenever your max skelly count goes down, so yeah, taking off hollow finger isn't going to be pretty

[fading temple]

im making Wraith Necromancer Guide
Season 2
so slow for farming

[arctic turtle]

alright, since i'm stubborn and like messing around trying to make bad things work, harvest is considered melee, so things that increase melee damage work for it, right?

[obtuse quest]

Correct.

[old hull]

Yeah, it's a regular melee attack

[obtuse quest]

It's mostly a case of having enough speed to travel between packs without dropping reaper form. There's a point where it 'clicks' and you won't have an issue doing that, as long as you're doing damage.

[arctic turtle]

it says it also scales on int and dex, and the next nemesis that I kill will drop me a weapon that i think will be really good...

i forget what it is, but it has like extra spell damage on dex and extra melee damage on int or something

maybe not? i can't find what item this is lol

[obtuse quest]

The only one I can think of is dex into flat cold skill damage at the cost of physical and cold res.

[arctic turtle]

it may be Palarus's Sacred Light which i'm currently using and I just mixed up what it is

attunement and strength not dex and int

[autumn oriole]

Have watched the video. thanks for that.
Quick take away here.
minions type and numbers matters when summoning Abom. gears get re-snapshotting when swapping zones.

[ornate gyro]

ok since neither were touched this patch this is more a trend offered by max roll than an meta shift ? cause atm best summon is crow or abomination(including snapshot )? (repost )

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much.

[ornate gyro]

ty

[hard swan]

what counts as low health?

[arctic turtle]

seems like best bet for early game melee lich is Taste of Blood and harvest using the bleed nodes, reaper form with the coversion to physical node, and bone curse with bleed nodes

[hard swan]

do youmean early game harvest?

[arctic turtle]

yes

like level 20

[grim summit]

35% if memory serves

[hard swan]

ill take a look after this echo

[obtuse quest]

35% or less.

[autumn oriole]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/terminology

more info on this page

[zenith current]

so.

i just noticed stygian beams got buffed a metric ton?

Is this what I think it is

[arctic turtle]

double edge scythe node in harvest for the self bleed with the armor that grants ward and drains health that makes you immune to bleed at low health also looks interesting

[obtuse quest]

There's a good chance that it's mostly a back end change since the build itself didn't change in the end

[zenith current]

I see, that said I am considering something like

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrerRWOQ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (26) / Lich (5) / Warlock (82)

General:

▸ Health: 1,261, Regen: 18.05/s
▸ Mana: 426.51, Regen: 35.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 352%, Regen: 536/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 111 Int / 1 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 68% / 99% / 68% / 68% / 168% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 252
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (537)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,037)

Used skills:

Ghostflame / Chthonic Fissure / Profane Veil / Bone Curse / Drain Life

[zenith current]

Your classic eurobeat

soundtrack build

[obtuse quest]

Warlock? Damn,

OH

Fukkin.

It's the WF Coal mix

[zenith current]

WF? 😄

[obtuse quest]

WitchFire

[zenith current]

Yeee

zip around, lasering everything and ghostflaming

should...

in theory

clear like a mf

provided I can sustain the mana 😛

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, Witchfire already clears like a motheruk

At least for me, it deletes non-elites

[zenith current]

Great

so t-posing

while lasering

Should certainly add to the feeling xD

[obtuse quest]

Sadly your amulet is locked, otherwise you could have used one of the new bone curse amulets.

[zenith current]

pearls is more for self-curse builds

and im not losing any curse used by pears

pearls

so i think this should be fine?

[obtuse quest]

Most of us that use pearls don't self curse lmao

[zenith current]

Really? that sounds like a missed opportunity

[obtuse quest]

Mostly don't want to deal with the original way of getting it.

Ex: Penance and Decerptfy

[zenith current]

well, no issue for that here

[obtuse quest]

FFair, since you're getting all of them.

Different skill specs.

[zenith current]

ye, only missing Spirit plague

[obtuse quest]

My setup doesn't run ghostflame, so I took the decrepfy one so I get another dot debuff.

[zenith current]

fair enough

i think this should be great provided i get enough mana regen

[obtuse quest]

You took into account where you have to press a skill to trigger overloads right? They can't be triggered via channeling.

[zenith current]

fissure, veil, drain life, all three are valid

or you can just tap

ghostflame tbh

[obtuse quest]

Okay, just checking in case

👍

[hard swan]

@arctic turtle ok, i finished my echo, it was a long one, a tomb... you still around?

[zenith current]

all right, guess thats my next build 🙂

[obtuse quest]

I did think about that setup before but I'm not sure if it'll be better than my current setup, looks like you're the lab rat for that one.

[zenith current]

What are you running instead?

[arctic turtle]

yeah what's up

[hard swan]

just to understand... im hearing you want to start using harvest as low levels as possible? leading into a lich melee build?

[obtuse quest]

Give me a bit, I can show you the current setup.

[arctic turtle]

yup, that's the goal

[zenith current]

ye nw, burning through mandatory trainings at work xD

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Kzb/character/KzbUltiAco

[arctic turtle]

i started the season with jav paladin, it was too easy, so now I want to do something more challenging and I've decided on melee lich

[obtuse quest]

Stealing the Infernal shade tech and run firestarters with the Hungering Souls node that gives you 50% more DoT against spreading flames targets.

[zenith current]

pure ignite. I see.

[arctic turtle]

I got just far enough to get the mastery last night, i'm at work rn just playing with the builder, seems liek melee necrotic isn't going to work all that well, but melee physical bleed may work

[obtuse quest]

Ignite focused, I still need some more damned chance here and there.

[zenith current]

well im a greedy mf

[hard swan]

@arctic turtlei think you want to spec bone curse first... because harvest gets dmg bonus for cursed enemies, and that's the only curse you are going to e doing low level

[obtuse quest]

There's at least 2 other variants of Witchfire here, so cook. Cook to your heart's content.

Everyone has their version.

[zenith current]

and if my build is not T-posing while lasering while spreading eternal curses like a drunk italian driver coming back from Eurovision... I think it ain't for me xD

[hard swan]

@arctic turtleohh ya, and harvest can give you ward when you hit a cursed enemy, so they need to be cursed first to be able to use harvest low level

[arctic turtle]

i was thinking something like this around level 20 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPPJnvpo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 20

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (13)

General:

▸ Health: 342, Regen: 11/s
▸ Mana: 62.1, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 21 Int / 1 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 47% / 7%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 68
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (4)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (42)

Used skills:

Harvest / Bone Curse / Reaper Form

[arctic turtle]

all physical damage with bleed focus

[hard swan]

thats not how i would spec the skills

look at this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjewM45Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,112, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 16 Int / 1 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 54% / 22%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 222

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Harvest / Reaper Form

[hard swan]

going for dots early is a trap

everything should die too fast for dots

you want to go straight up damage

and i dont think you want the health regen nodes in the base tree

[arctic turtle]

hmm ok

[hard swan]

you really dont want ANY of that bleed chance this low level

you can get 12% necrotic per point straight up...bam.. why wait for a chance to bleed?

[arctic turtle]

mostly because when I started playing with season 2 I went electrify paladin and the dot wrecked even early on so i thought dots were good

[hard swan]

dots are good late, but when you have the choice between 12% damage per point, and 7% chance to bleed, and you have no minions you take the dmg

dots synergize with attack speed

so if you have 5 skeletons and your minions get the bleedn chance, that is alot of attacks per second, and it can be good early

[zenith current]

@obtuse quest Named the character QuEurobeatSoundtrack

[hard swan]

but when you are solo attacking with AOE reap, you dont want to take that point early

[bleak horizon]

Just double checking incase I'm an idiot, this affix is for MY spell damage right

[hard swan]

yes, you get 17% increased spell dmg per skeletal mage you have alive

@arctic turtle here is a little more flushed out ... https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrerqlmQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (25)

General:

▸ Health: 1,122, Regen: 16/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 29 Int / 1 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 54% / 22%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 224

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Harvest / Reaper Form

[arctic turtle]

I guess my thought process here is that with enough points, there's a high bleed chance across all of the passive and skill trees, even low level, and bleed will stack and scale whereas 12% increase of a low number is still a pretty low number

[hard swan]

how long are you taking to kill mobs before level 20 that bleed is going to stack?

it takes me 1 hour to get to level 20, i never stop running

actually 1 hr to 15

[eternal cave]

mobs die before stacks matter almost until late unless a boss

[hard swan]

^^^^ this

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[eternal cave]

Build your way, but I don't remember slowing down until monos

[hard swan]

@arctic turtleill try my build right now, see if it works

[pallid mason]

Does anyone know of a Good Guide i can follow to try Out the Stygian Lich Build please ??

[arctic turtle]

I forget what level i'm at because i'm still at work, but i'm using a necrotic damage build right now around whatever level you normally get to act 3 to select master and it takes like 5-6 hits of harvest to kill an enemy

takes about 5-7 minutes to kill a boss lol

[hasty monolith]

How dose your build look?

[bleak horizon]

Does flat +minion damage and % minion damage more valuable for different summons

[obtuse quest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Kzb/character/KzbUltiAco

[bleak horizon]

Struggling a bit how to value minion stats

[obtuse quest]

Yes, but since flat is rare it's normally pretty valuable.

[bleak horizon]

So this on a 2h for say skelemages/casting wraiths blows reach of the grave out of the water right?

[obtuse quest]

Reach has the cast speed and leech so it depends on what you want more.

[edgy yew]

Finally killed Aberroth (non uber) with the Stygian Coal Lich last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aEsI9waFeI

[arctic turtle]

what is the purpose of the revenant in the acolyte passive tree?

and the chance to poison on kill

[dusty token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozxNX1EQ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Warlock (92)

General:

▸ Health: 3,562, Regen: 21.86/s
▸ Mana: 238.35, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 212%, Regen: 188/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 4 Dex / 50 Int / 4 Att / 46 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 78% / 101% / 76% / 86% / 303% / 78%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 712
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (155)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,730)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 106%

Used skills:

Bone Curse / Spirit Plague / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood

[dusty token]

in progress

[obtuse quest]

I hate to ask, but does isadora's set effect actually boost witchfire's damage?

[old hull]

No

[dusty token]

nope. but it really helps with the stacks. also the mana for the fissure.

but some stats in tools are wrong with the game. some over, some down.

[obtuse quest]

Oh, so it's technically still not worth giving up the helm and belt slot.

Why the penance amulet instead of the decrepty amulet?

[dusty token]

fire curse

[obtuse quest]

I know, why the fire curse instead of the physical curse that boosts all DoT damage by 15%?

[dusty token]

the isadora still works better. still farming better helmet. that skull with at least 3LP

[obtuse quest]

Fair. I just run boneclamor straight up instead, LP or not.

[dusty token]

hmm. gonna try that next play. didn't see this

[obtuse quest]

I'm also kinda surprised you're running into mana issues with just secondary fissure.

[dusty token]

the helmet with spell damage for curse goes way up. need a good one with damned chance to try in a 3LP helmet (hope so)

then. i won't need the isadora anymore

[dusty token]

not problem at all. I'm too. and still using golem for decoy.

[obtuse quest]

That doesn't work for witchfire, just in case you don't know. WItchfire isn't a curse.

[obtuse quest]

What? At that level with no stats? Golem can survive more than one hit?

[dusty token]

yep. hahaah

[obtuse quest]

Crazy.

[dusty token]

it survives a nemesis most of the times

[dusty token]

i don't remember why I'm using. but there's a reason that scales in something lol

[obtuse quest]

Torment I guess?

Also, why is there bleed nodes in spirit plague and rip blood?

[dusty token]

the wand. it converts bleed to fire.

personal affix

[obtuse quest]

Oh yeah, but it doesn't count for witchfire's boost.

[dusty token]

ignite*

[obtuse quest]

That keeps slipping my mind because sinthia's always better in that slot

[pearl snow]

My fissure is 75 mana with just that secondary node lmao

[gilded prairie]

Can I get 100% uptime on the reaper form thing?

[obtuse quest]

I ditch secondary and just run full chaos bolt lmao

[dusty token]

I tested the dummy without it. it went better. to activate witchfire. since i only got 142% ignte

[obtuse quest]

If you leech enough, yes.

[pearl snow]

Im running both kek

[obtuse quest]

Insane

[dusty token]

i got to check this.

[obtuse quest]

Oh, just for the purposes of overload.

[gilded prairie]

What about through cooldown?

[pearl snow]

Sinthias is slightly ahead of Firestarters at 2LP with Ignite on Hit

Then you have profane wand below those

[obtuse quest]

The cooldown doesn't start until you lose the form, so the answer to that is "impossible"

[dusty token]

i'm thinking about that since witchfire deletes small mobs

[obtuse quest]

Firestarters go past sinthias mostly because of my setup, hungering ssouls gives you 50% more DoT against spreading flame targets.

[pearl snow]

Oh yeah Kzb my guide is up on LET if you get bored I’d take feedback from a gamer I recognize

[dusty token]

yes. since they don't do much damage. same with plague. just to activate curses

[hard swan]

@arctic turtle i put revenant in because two points for a revant to spawn if i get low is always worth.... some builds are designed to permaspawn him though

[pearl snow]

I tried doing the math on that, not sure if its much better if and only if you manage to get max roll T5 or hit a crackpot Curse Damage Havoc rune

I think overall its cleaner

[gilded prairie]

Hummm that sucks. I wonder how fast I can make it refresh after leaving reaper form then

[pearl snow]

Possess + passive CB fissure and Firestarters just seems eadier

Easier

[obtuse quest]

Build CDR, or just never drop it during a fight.

[lyric marsh]

anyone can tell me whats the best minion class, necro or beastmaster? and whats the differences? thinking of trying one for the first time ever in LE

[pearl snow]

Dont they do different things?

Slightly at least

Necro has Abom and archmage skeletons

[obtuse quest]

True, it's definately easier.

[gilded prairie]

I assume 100% CDR just halves the cooldown right?

[obtuse quest]

Necro expects you to stick with one big minion and keep it buffed and alive.
Beastmaster expects you to have a companion and fight alongside it.

[obtuse quest]

UYup.

[obtuse quest]

I'll check later-

[hard swan]

@arctic turtle i see what you are saying about harvest... i did a ~1hr run to level 15, and while it was only a little slow, its only because my wandering spirits and minions did alot of the dmg... harvest didn't feel like it did much... it seems like this skill is setup to buff minions...

but it also feels like the self ward is not enough to sit in melee range

[gaunt drift]

Not true, you can literally play the way you want in LE and it's viable, you don't have to do the meta build! Acolyte can have lots of permanent minions or temporary ones that constantly die and/or are replaced.

[arctic turtle]

this is pretty much the experience i had with it

[knotty cave]

1 hour to 15…..?

[hard swan]

ya

[knotty cave]

You play with ur toes?

[hard swan]

Are you here to baselessly insult people?

[knotty cave]

No 😂

[obtuse quest]

He... kinda has a point, that's godamn slow.

[hard swan]

it would be great if you could point me to a vid thats notably faster SCF ... and this is a build ive never played before

[odd mortar]

Anyone playing this ''automatic suicidal minions'' build? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYyLPGzqpI

[obtuse quest]

Rip Blood, Wandering Spirits, Summon Skeletons, BOne curse, take the int nodes and damage inc nodes for passives.

Should be able to hit 15 in half an hour.

[arctic turtle]

go make a harvest acolyte and see how slow it is

[hard swan]

@obtuse questapparently you are not paying attention.. I was TESTING a build.. im not trying to use the fastest build

and i would like to see a video where someone hits 15 in 30 minutes

[odd mortar]

You literally just run. Minions spawn automatically, explode on mobs and are automatically respawned to explode again and again and again...

[knotty cave]

Testing a leveling build??

[hard swan]

i understand.. i dont even think i couldn run the path in 30 minutes

[obtuse quest]

I know, I PLAYED that thing. It's REALLY slow, don't do it.

Harvest is NOT a good skill.

[lyric marsh]

got it

[hard swan]

@knotty caveif you cant find a better demearnor im going to block you.... yes... @arctic turtle wanted to level harvest, and was asking how to make it work

[knotty cave]

Coward 😂

[obtuse quest]

The short answer: Stack a stupid amount of Int early, and use a 2h axe or sword.
The long answer: IT's really slow, and nothing can fix it. You're forced to run a curse or it does literally no damage. And with a curse it does... okay damage. Doesn't have any good multipliers in it's skill, but can let you crit cap easily. Can't reach that while leveling though.

[hard swan]

yeah, it felt like it did no dmg anyway... i feel like wandering spirtits and my minions did all the dmg

[obtuse quest]

You get it.

At best early on, it's a ward generator.

[hard swan]

ya the ward amount was not enough to be worth it... i wonder if it could be marginally better with spirit shards...

basically it would just be buffing minions at that point

[obtuse quest]

Or the int to health node. That's still healing which normally isn't an issue on acolyte.

[arctic turtle]

yeah, i realize this, but was hoping that every skill in the game was DiY viable for leveling

although, I really think a bleed version of it could work, i'm going to test when I get home 🙂

actually, not when I get home, I'm goign to test when the wife and kids go to bed

[obtuse quest]

Iff you can get it to output enough bleed, sure.

[hard swan]

i feel like the lich mechanic is to uses bonuses like blood-pact, which is crazy dmg per point but with high health drain, and dance with death.. but it would be hard to gear for that at low levels, need ward threshold and ward regen

[smoky swan]

Are there any viable builds I could use a 3LP Dragonflame with?

[obtuse quest]

Question question!
No mention of the fire pen mace? Not worth the choice before the harbinger mace?

[arctic turtle]

i play HCSF too so

it's going to get interesting

[pearl snow]

Does the fire pen may even work? I know it’ll it’ll help for your base fire damage, but usually they have to say fire pen with ignite.

Oh my text to speech butchered that grammar wise

[obtuse quest]

Fire pen works for all fire damage, including ignite and witchfire.

Fire pen with ignite is just exclusive to ignite.

[pearl snow]

What the hell

I’ve been bamboozled by every other game I’ve played

Good catch. I’ll add that into the little mace section in the equipment tab

[obtuse quest]

[hard swan]

my new warlock build gets pretty tanky once it has something with "% current health lost, % missing health gained as ward".. before that it was... not tanky

[finite galleon]

@obtuse quest Kzb sama, do you know if Bone Curse's Chillblains in conjunction with Merciless would cause the affected minion to get chilled when it's hit?

😭 I would suspect so. Maybe I should test it later.

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[finite galleon]

Okay nice

Leeching answers off of Kzb sama instead doing anything myself, feelsgoodman

[pearl snow]

[smoky swan]

Anyone built a poison skelly rogue necro to good effect?

[pearl snow]

I thought someone did. I remember there being a video about rogues specifically a week ago or something like that.

You might be able to search this channel and see someone posted their video link about it either in here or in one of the content channels

[old hull]

They have a big issue with survival once you hit empowered, but maybe with enough investment they could be okay. There might have also been a bug fix recently that helps that, not sure though.

[hot inlet]

does anyone here know whats a better lategame plan for infernal shade pop builds? rn im using warlock cthonic fissure to pop shades on enemies but i looked over other methods and saw one that casts shades on volatile zombies and basically pops shades when the zombies die. this would open up other ways for more defense with like lich but im rather new and have never played acolyte before

rn im cruising through the game with warlock

the zombie version would use the respawn ring twice

[smoky swan]

that was my worry, but I'm also interested in the interaction between Lethal Concentration and Salt the Wound

[obtuse quest]

None, Salt the Wound only boosts yours. Lethal only transfers %inc damage/ %inc poison damage.

[smoky swan]

that's a big bummer

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Avemr0Oo am I on the right track here?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (72) / Lich (6) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,046, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 200.51, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 6 Dex / 36 Int / 6 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 46% / 10% / 10% / 36% / 10% / 122% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 532
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (42)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,611)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Harvest / Spirit Plague / Chaos Bolts / Dread Shade

[zenith current]

all right time to level this eurobeat warlock

[finite galleon]

Waaiit, is this a dedicated poison minion build, or a hybrid build where you're trying to do some actual damage yourself too?

[smoky swan]

Minion

[old hull]

Looks to me like you're splitting your damage types too much. Like I don't think harvest, chaos bolts, or spirit plague are doing much for you right now. AoD is actually very strong for poison minions, btw.
I would recommend getting dread phalanx because it's a strong point for rogues. Also may as well get the poison conversion for dread shade, and remove that reverse aura thing because that makes it really hard to use.
If you want to make the most use of lethal concentration, you also need the "dread shade affects you" thing so you can double dip dread shade.

[tiny acorn]

what would be nice to hit on this?

[smoky swan]

I was kind of mirroring the mindset of the cold rogue build i was looking at. But leaning into more personal poison damage since my minions get it ~200%

[finite galleon]

Ayo father toast spitting the truth

[old hull]

I think the only semi-decent poison skill you have access to in this build to make use of the damage stacking is wandering spirits

[smoky swan]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozxNzZrQ I was leaning into this build, but focusing poison instead, is that the wrong idea?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (79) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,496, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 333%, Regen: 141/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 15 Dex / 109 Int / 1 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 114% / 84% / 97% / 60% / 81% / 109% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 699
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,519)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Assemble Abomination / Harvest / Chaos Bolts

[finite galleon]

Btw I refuse to believe that a flat 100% -ish poison damage from the poison pig amulet is going to be more damage than the 15% damage multiplier from physical pig amulet. You're going to have a nut load of %poison damage once you start putting affixes onto your uniques

[smoky swan]

Does acid skin not have merit or do i really need to lean into crit OR poison dot damage?

[finite galleon]

What do you need crit for?

[obtuse quest]

Poison can never crit, so acid skin's bonus is kinda moot

[smoky swan]

Not so much for the poison dot, but raw poison damage from the rogues? Or am i wrong to think that they scale with poison damage on the melee hits once skele gets poison tag?

[finite galleon]

Wait there's a way to do poison hit damage now?

[old hull]

It would be possible to use some of the tech they use, but not all of it. Not sure if there's any way around using AoD though.

[old hull]

Their hits are base phys, the only poison damage they do is from applying the ailment

[obtuse quest]

You mean the amulet's % inc poison? You can use a normal amulet for that.

[smoky swan]

So the poison tag is only for their flask?

[old hull]

Tags don't matter that much, there is just no such thing as poison hit damage

[finite galleon]

Well the flask also does phys damage on hit

[smoky swan]

Well that's frustrating

[finite galleon]

Yeah, poison damage comes from those green debuff icons you see under enemies' hp bars

[smoky swan]

So ONLY scale dot damage from pets basically?

[obtuse quest]

Imagine if poison has a hit skill, that would finally make poison useful.

[finite galleon]

Global 'increased minion damage' also works

[obtuse quest]

That posion shred would finally have meaning.

[finite galleon]

😭 😭 😭

[smoky swan]

I thought it existed because of Defiling Nova... but that shit does phys damage.....

[finite galleon]

yup

with a fat poison chance

[smoky swan]

So my theory of poison hitting rogue skellies is gone haha

[finite galleon]

FeelsBadMan

[smoky swan]

Because poison really is the weakest dot ailment isn't it?

[finite galleon]

apparently it used to be that there was no upperbound to its poison res reducing effect

so there were builds stacking a nut load of stacks within a short period

Then it got hit down to 30 stacks

don't quote me on this, i wasn't playing back then

[obtuse quest]

Currently? Yes.

[finite galleon]

Still not too late to hop on the abomination hype train

[smoky swan]

It looks fun, but I'm coming from stormcrow and snapshotting isn't my idea of ulitmate fun... Currently

[finite galleon]

Storm crow snapshot? You gotta pump those snapshotting items' numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.

[gaunt abyss]

its a good upgrade right?

[old hull]

I mean, they could just give poison a lil higher base damage

[old hull]

imo damned is, but they're pretty close

[smoky swan]

Is plague worse?

[obtuse quest]

It's a single stack only ailment that spreads but cannot be given base damage. (It's kinda bad)

[finite galleon]

Yeah it needs some cool special effect attached to it

[vivid valve]

Any video of Stygian coil killing Uber

[edgy yew]

Has torment killed Uber Aberroth or nah

[old hull]

Yeah, I don't normally count the one-off ailments like plague, spreading flames, and doom

They are all really strong if you have them super early game, hard to get any of them that early though aside from spreading flames

[obtuse quest]

Got to mastery choice at lv 14 with a shitty setup in 45 mins, bruh.

[pearl snow]

Yes, if you need critical dmg reduction

[pearl snow]

Somewhere yeah it killed it early on too

[vivid valve]

I wonder if someone tried again with even better gear. See how fast

[frozen torrent]

why does my stygian coal build deal 0 dmg

it takes like 2 min to kill aberroth

[arctic turtle]

we don't know unless you post the build

i'm convinced i'm going to make this bleed lich work

[shrewd heath]

what's build good for Lich?

[edgy yew]

Stygian Coal

If you like playing like a turret of death

[shrewd heath]

any build planner/ build guide with his stygian coal?

[leaden warren]

best warlock build in this season? i tried witchfire and shade versions but none of those i really liked

[knotty cave]

that feeling when you take so much dmg you die in 1 hit through reaper form xdxd

[umbral crown]

hello can anyone tell me where to go after cultist camp please?

[cinder snow]

chtconic fissure get boost from attack speed or somthing?

like can it make to make more shots landed ?

[hot inlet]

dont think so, theres a specific affix for that

[old hull]

No, it shoots spirits faster with spirit rate though

[hot inlet]

and i think fissure passive has a node for that

[eternal cave]

Yes with Infernal skill

[leaden warren]

just with increased #% frequency for chthonic fissure affix and tree node

[cinder snow]

okey thx

[pure oasis]

What do I do if I'm getting occasionally one shot at 118 corruption as a stygian coal lich? My items aren't bad but my res isn't capped by any means still averaging 50% on all of them

If anything takes me out of reaper form I just flop

[smoky swan]

How are yall leveling necros before abom?

[gaunt abyss]

that means you are taking on avrage 25% more dmg

get at least 70 on all res, 5% extra dmg is still managble.
but if you link the build with lastepochtools im sure ppl will be able to spot more places to improve

[abstract horizon]

How do you set up loot filter to recolour exalted items with like two tier 6s? Is there anyway to do it

[smoky swan]

Is marked for death and resist reduction additive or multiplicative?

[old hull]

Additive

penetration also

[smoky swan]

so i could in theory get 75% poison resist pen?

[sick nimbus]

Can someone post a screenshot of their Necromancer build please ?

[gaunt abyss]

i think can get more no? like going into negative. but not sure how affective it is

[amber temple]

what do you guys recommend for leveling?

[smoky swan]

I think unless you got the gear or want to be slower, warlock just bum rushes everything

Even twinked out as necro it's a lil slow

[amber temple]

thanks, do you have a link?

found this
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/herald-of-pestilence-warlock-leveling

[stuck owl]

Herald of Pestilence Warlock Leveling Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class

Acolyte / Warlock

Used skills

• Wandering Spirits
• Spirit Plague
• Chthonic Fissure
• Aura Of Decay
• Profane Veil

Used unique items

• Plague Bearer's Staff

Tags

Leveling / Season Starter / Beginner / SSF / DoT

Created by Fycadius · Apr 28, 2025, 11:34 AM

[amber temple]

but I'm not familiar with the author so unsure if this is ok

[pearl snow]

Spirits and fissure is always a good leveling experience

If you dont have that unique just go torment

[amber temple]

thank you

[misty crater]

hey guys , thought on this filter for torment warlock

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/PQDxer7Q

[pearl snow]

It looks super strict but should be fine. Probably just best to ask the streamer guy since he linked his channel in the description

[misty crater]

yeh it does

also im only level 74

just trying to find something to get me by

maxrolls is LF for torment lock keeps dropping random stuff

[pearl snow]

It might not be random though

I’ve heard people say its loose but I bet it includes items that can be improved etc

Unless its just straight up 2H maces

My filters usually have rules just for crafting items in this game now because there are so many ways to get what you need

[knotty cave]

how far has someone pushed laser lich?

i have the enitre build all 2lp'd out and just wanna compare to someones deep end game lich

[halcyon burrow]

anyone knows which boots to slam to sell this mod?

[misty crater]

hmm so Stygian Coal Lich is way better the torment warlock ?

just looking at it now

im only 74 so kinda trying to find something to push into the end game

[peak mist]

I am playing stygian lich and I randomly dropped an LP4 good rolled Soulfire, can someone talk me out of slamming that and going to town?

[pearl snow]

do it

[peak mist]

That's the exact opposite of talking me out of that

[pearl snow]

[rotund sun]

Hi all! Can anyone please explain to me what might be wrong?
#❔┃ask-the-community message

[pearl snow]

we need more info than just the item. By itself the item will increase your dmg on paper

[rotund sun]

What information do you require? I will provide asap) Im so downed atm, was so happy to craft it and nothing changed

[pearl snow]

use lastepochtools to grab your full character

in most cases that provides enough info

id also check your tooltip. I forget if minions have a proper dps calc in game

[rotund sun]

Will do Sir)
NEver did it before

@pearl snowHere you go!
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7Y2gqgA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (63) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,301, Regen: 29.24/s
▸ Mana: 190.4, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 159%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 28 Int / 1 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 85% / 79% / 84% / 86% / 121% / 125%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 260
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (104)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (580)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade / Chaos Bolts / Transplant

[pearl snow]

in the meantime, does your skele mage have a rough dps in the tooltip in game?

if you hover the skill on your bar

[rotund sun]

No

[pearl snow]

It should be working. what did you use to test the damage to notice its not increased

[rotund sun]

Arena mobs and monolith runs sir
Here take a look at these screenshots.
First screen is my char wih the previous armor and his minion dmg

And here is the same screen but with the new armor

numbers dont change at all and the actuall damage is the same*
Armor on the other hand did change

my chars armor*

[smoky swan]

You aren’t increasing minion damage with that roll, which is sick btw. You’re directly increasing mages. Hence no sheet boost

[paper rover]

was brewing crit harvest build on lich on a build planner
and when i was about to add death's embrace, i noticed sword catcher and it looks pretty good
similiar level of melee damage
more if you are frenzied and transplant can help with that
main question is are the 6 extra levels worth the ability and crit multi
there are quite few more damage nodes i was sad on missing out i could grab with it
thoughts?

[rotund sun]

Yeah, i know that iw what i thought is gonna happen sisnce im using a mage skeleton

it this a bug?

[pearl snow]

test on a dummy in front of the arena first

but if not then report a bug in game yeah

[pearl snow]

Death Embrace might work nicer with Spirit Shards if you are taking that

plus necrotic pen and reduced crit dmg taken

As long as you can combat the health loss

[rotund sun]

i did test is Sir, tha damage numbers are the same*( So sad tbh

Can you please guide me on how to report a game bug?

[pearl snow]

hit F8]

[paper rover]

this is the tree
with sword catcher i could get the node that gives more dmg per poison stack and some of the spirits
this is all on paper
Haven't tested it and idk if mana is even gonna be an issue i need to deal with

[rotund sun]

Reported that situation
Is there usually any feedback on the bug reports?

[pearl snow]

I dont think so

[pearl snow]

catcher might be better for that setup

[paper rover]

huh, this would guarantee 100% uptime of frenzy for swordcatcher

[quiet gorge]

man wraithlord build is so squishy >_<

[pearl snow]

I am an immolator enjoyer

[paper rover]

hmm
i will try to use death's embrace cuz its cooler
but will try the sword catcher version once i get to a point where im satisfied with death's embrace

and compare

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZeRyLXQ
this is more or less what im gonna try to do
don't mind resistances

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (8) / Lich (85)

General:

▸ Health: 2,765, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 117.14, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 172%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 5 Dex / 86 Int / 5 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 33% / 33% / 43% / 21% / 21% / 75% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 553
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,251)

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Transplant / Death Seal / Bone Curse

[pearl snow]

why the crab ring

[paper rover]

speed
nice stats

nothing else seemed particularly better

[pearl snow]

I guess if you never evade thats fine

[paper rover]

i mean, reap and transplant should be enough

[pearl snow]

fair

[paper rover]

if i only had 1 movement ability then i wouldn't use it
but reap replaces it imo

tho, been looking at a way to fix resists
and maybe i should just get double red rings and try to spec more into attributes in passives

[pearl snow]

yeah if you grind them out

quite good

[paper rover]

lowkey never dropped them but i also never target farmed them using prophecies
i heard they've been dropping like hot cakes this cycle

[pearl snow]

same lmao

[fallow crane]

Anyone knows how to make use of this chest piece? Any skellymancer guide? 😳 Much thanks in advance for any suggestion!

[pearl snow]

Archmage skeleton probably

[zenith turret]

hey guys, im quite new in LE, im playing Stygian coal lich. It's pretty decent build but a bit tired and wanted to try something new. Im thinking about something like DOT/curse build, can you suggest me some guide or build example?

im stuck at 450 corruption, a bit tough to push this build more - i need 3 LP items for that and alot T7 items

[smoky swan]

When would yall swap to abom?

[zenith turret]

me?

[pearl snow]

stygian coal should go higher than that

if you have the gear for it

[zenith turret]

i know, im not geared enough to push harder and somethimes being oneshoted

[pearl snow]

But if you want to swap go Torment

[zenith turret]

i have only 2400 hp right now, got null portent with 1 LP but don't like to loose damage and stats from my armor

[zenith turret]

thanks, gonna check torment

[pearl snow]

if you are only stacking hp youll be getting destroyed a lot

Acolyte isnt really a hp heavy character

Intelligence itself scales Ward

[pearl snow]

I dont know lich but I doubt its much different

[zenith turret]

this is my stats

actualy it's impossible to scale ward on lich

death seal cut off all ward

[pearl snow]

ah thatd do it

[zenith turret]

i know how to bump surviability - red rings and null portent, im loosing alot dmg

even now killing mobs takes time - i have 10k on drain life + 444% crit multiplier

yeah i know it's not such a build to blow up screens, but wanted to deal more dmg anyway

btw if i put nihilis into weaver tree - can i get it as common loot?

[pearl snow]

no

boss drops are only from bosses

[sleek ore]

any good written lich leveling guides?

[zenith turret]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/warlock-leveling-guide i used this one

then you respec to lich

amazing guide which makes run acts realy fast

[sleek ore]

i already spec'd lich -.-

[zenith turret]

oh...that's rough

i think you can try to adapt this guide
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/death-seal-lich-guide

it doesn't relates to uniques

[sleek ore]

im gonna respec back to warlock lol

wait I can't wtf

[zenith turret]

but you can't do that till you get end of time location

it like barely in the end of acts

[sleek ore]

oh i see

got it!

[knotty cave]

Wandering spirits, aura of decay, spirit plague. Go full psn

[knotty cave]

Which he’d already be at if he specced lich

[zenith turret]

as we realized - he took lich at 20 lvl

so he can't respec now

wandering spirits awful skill, i immediatly dropped after 20 lvl

[knotty cave]

Wandering spirits carried my lich into empowered monos at 70 😂

[sleek ore]

i was able to respec once i tp'd to end of time

[zenith turret]

they awkwarldy hits enemys

[zenith turret]

hm, so you should able to do it again

[sleek ore]

yeah

im warlock now

[vivid valve]

So spine warlock has bad clear?

[pearl snow]

Yeah compared to any other ability that actually has AoE

once you get gear its still 1 shotting most small mobs but

its 1 whip 1 hit

[vivid valve]

Which acolyte build has good clear and cam kill Uber

[pearl snow]

Torment

Stygian Lich

[vivid valve]

Which of those two is easier to gear

[pearl snow]

Torment

[vivid valve]

Nice thx

I'm almosr gold cap and not finding mage fun. Want to return to Acolyte

Is there a build guide for best torment build

[dark inlet]

is witchfire any good?

[pearl snow]

Witchfire has great clear

by "good" what do you want

[dark inlet]

also, does https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AOzBsQ <-- this count for ignite chance for the Grimhilde's Domain passive?

[pearl snow]

As long as its giving you global ignite

[dark inlet]

just wasn't sure if it scaled decently or not. some classes have things that are just total traps and can't scale

[pearl snow]

Witchfire without playing with the relic feels kidna bad

[dark inlet]

ah, ok

[pearl snow]

because it doesnt spread without it

[pearl snow]

theres plenty out there

video or written on maxroll etc

[dark inlet]

doesn't Grimhilde's spread it?

[pearl snow]

yeah but only on hits, the relic does it passively

[dark inlet]

got it

[pearl snow]

and the passive is limited

only a number

relic has no limit

[rich frigate]

Whip Bleedlock can kill it too

Just saw some guy on reddit reached 1100c with it

But it's a PAIN to gear

[vivid valve]

Got link?

[rich frigate]

1 sec

My bad, it is a Flame Whip build, not Bleedlock:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1k9752g/followup_on_flame_whip_warlock_spine_of_malatros/

[pearl snow]

Yeah the high corruption pushing for flame whip is very hard to gear

[rich frigate]

In this video he runs a 1200c echo

[pearl snow]

easier versions exist

[rich frigate]

For real. Too specific of affixes to hit in the right slots to really scale the damage

But it looks cool af

[pearl snow]

The red rings can be replaced by set rings

but still

Im just gunna leave my 1.0 Flame Whip guide outdated tbh lol

[rich frigate]

I am still hoping but a surprise mid-patch buff to bleedlock ;\

My favorite variant of the build

[spring storm]

HOLY

[pearl snow]

Just bleed DoT?

[rich frigate]

Yea

[pearl snow]

CB should still be vibing

[rich frigate]

Chthonic auto-casting CB + direct cast?

[pearl snow]

yeah

[rich frigate]

Hm. Gonna try to spin something up tomorrow

[pearl snow]

Im trying to edit my DoT setup to work for frostbite but thats mainly a meme

[tender ridge]

dunno if conversation moved on from this, but lich is pretty different. Most builds rely on death seal and reaper form

which requires you to remove all of your ward and constantly drains your health

it has support for exsan builds too but you lose a lot of power not having death seal/reaper

[obtuse quest]

If you play hybrid ward then you can still use reaper form since it doesn’t directly mess with ward.

[granite venture]

for this node in chaos bolts is chatonic fissure enough to constantly curse enemies?

[obtuse quest]

If you have enough spirit frequency, yes. Espically if you get the next chaos bolt node that allows it to refresh curses.

[granite venture]

and can I use that with the chaos bolt node in fissure to refresh it and cast?

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[granite venture]

thats great because if I can get exalted t7 spell damage and reduced mana cost my fissure and bolts will give back more mana than it costs

[chrome dagger]

can some1 tell me why my Abomination is decaying evon tho i have Age of Undeath? and no I dont use other minions once I summon him

[obtuse quest]

1. Did you change your max skeleton/max skeletal mages count?
2. Is something else draining your abom like a unique?

[chrome dagger]

I have order of death and thats it

[obtuse quest]

Hmmmm, not too sure then

[chrome dagger]

if I do this minion snapshot thing; lets say I use a ring that gives me minion skills and then i unequip it, could it be that?

[obtuse quest]

Unless that minion skill would change your max and/or touches it like Aaron's Will, I don't think so?

[granite palm]

Does vile shroud node in the reaper form tree not work with Boneclamor Barbute?

When I'm in reaper form I do not see my necrotic resistance go up in the character screen

[obtuse quest]

Do you have something that cuts your resistances while transformed like the Chimaera amulet?

[granite palm]

I don't think I do but that's a good point I'll double check

[gaunt drift]

Are you losing age of undeath when you unequip it? lol

[gaunt drift]

Your max skeleton and mage count has nothing to do with it if you aren't summoning them. (Furthermore, it'd only affect it if you were summoning them to the max anyway)

[foggy agate]

Can anyone recommend me some non DOT warlock builds?

[obtuse quest]

In the supposed DoT mastery?
I guess Crit Chaos Bolts?

[foggy agate]

Yeah was just thinking, or maybe it's a sign to try the other masteries

[cold tapir]

guys, quick question. I got this thing from the nemesis and i was wondering if it worked with a stygian coal lich as the stygian coal has affixes for channeling

[obtuse quest]

Coal lich takes dark shackles so it doesn't have to channel. Unless you use another channeling skill like ghostflame thiss might as well not exist.

[autumn mango]

Curious how yall think of my build
————-/————
Im a level 86 necro
I’m working on capping my resses rn and making my minions damage get stronger and stronger
My ressses are almost capped, just lightning and void lacking at 60%
Anyway I roll dread shade( the one shade so your minions doesn’t die skill point) , wraith lord, transplant for mobility and heals
Wandering spirits for a fart spell for some aoe
My main build right now, is to have my wraith lord start summoning my current 15 wraiths, as that’s happening I apply dread shade to the wraith I need to and constantly manage that as they die. Not only do I have dread shade but also rip blood, I use it for blood trasmutiok, which is another minion buff alongside dread shade. At this point I feel like a god. I’m melting monos, it feels great. Is rip blood really that great with dread shade?! Hollllyyyyyy helll. Any tips for my homebrew build?

What stats do I need to go after? Health, minion damage , the critical chance is at 31% for minions
The multiplier is 200%

[cold tapir]

thanks again for the fast reply

[obtuse quest]

Infernal shade to boost minion attack speed? Your wandering spirits will do jack all.

[autumn mango]

Infernal shade also boosts minion attack speed ?

[autumn mango]

Amazing, is that the only buff for minion damage/ as speed there? It’s more about spreading them

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[vivid valve]

Anyone got video of torment warlock killing Ubrrroth

[west thunder]

What necromancer build are y'all using ?

[hard swan]

holy nemesis egg

[vivid valve]

An Abom build looks so OP. But not sure I have it in me to farm two more RR and do all that snap shotting

I was lucky just to get one for my mage. Then the imprint ones have all sucked no lp

What is a good alternative to red rings for Abom build

[hearty harness]

abo its op

but its clunky with this shanshoting

[vivid valve]

Seems super hard to gear

Ravenous gloves and two red rings

[hearty harness]

I withdrew from necromancer due to snapshotting

[vivid valve]

And good ww roll neck

[arctic turtle]

update on leveling with bleed lich: level 23, was going very smoothly, got a lucky nemesis drop, currently 1 shotting everything or it dies within a second from the bleed, each harvest is putting like 5 stacks of bleed

[green quail]

yikes lol xD

[old hull]

Seems appropriate

[green quail]

i guess xD

[west thunder]

what does snapshotting mean?

[cosmic canopy]

An example: You apply buffs to your character, with those buffs your stats are now higher. While these buffs are active, you start a channeling ability. This channeling ability will be doing damage using those higher stats for the duration of the channel, even if the buffs expire on your character. That is because the calculation of the dps was "snapshot" at the initial moment of channeling.

So, what you need to do now is keep the snapshot channelling ability from stopping, and you will be doing that dps without any buffs. If you drop your channel, you need to setup your buffs again and rechannel to get a new snapshot

[west thunder]

that sounds like alot of pain in the ass

[slow imp]

I see guides take this but is this really that good?

I dont play around potions at all...

[cosmic canopy]

It does not take that long during gameplay. It is just the mechanic explanation that is long 🤣

[west thunder]

I'm also curious what's y'all favourite mastery/build. Started an acolyte and I wanna see more options

[chrome mason]

only good if you know against what attacks to utilize it

[cosmic canopy]

I try to play stuff that look cool, I think it's the best way to enjoy the game. I was playing warlock on full game release and it was plenty fun. Now I'm trying out bladedancer. Love the class so far. Trying to make the pikachu build

[delicate belfry]

are there any builds which are better than stygian

[arctic turtle]

it is, i really dislike playing snapshot builds. there's big debate usually if snapshotting should be a thing or not

[vivid valve]

Is there video for torment lock Uber killed

[thorny barn]

So from what i can tell, its not really viable to do like, an undead army build right? everything ive seen online is either focused on on singular minion skill or snapshotting abom

[tranquil dagger]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ need help...
the chaos bolt has one node which gain life on hit cursed enemy
with 7 curese on the target.. per bolt gain 77 per hit...
turns out i can't sustain low life....and lose my damned overload buff effect "missing life= more dmg"
any idea to stay LL?

[amber temple]

is torment warlock good this season?

[thorny barn]

ive had a lot of fun with it, but its a bit squish until you have some points in hp/leech

[tranquil dagger]

no idea..playing withfire..

[thorny barn]

my issue with it is it gets kinda boring real quick, one button playstyle

which i guess is kind of an issue with LE as a whole, the best builds seem to focus everything into making one skill stupid strong and everything else either autocasts off it or buffs it

[tranquil dagger]

this base shield is realllllllllllly OP for energy build

stack some block chance and block effectivness

[obtuse quest]

Get something to spend your health, like twisted heart.

[arctic turtle]

i need a shield like that for my melee bleed lich build which btw is working beautifully

[obtuse quest]

Mostly because they die too quickly to do anything notable at any investment, nor have enough damage because you can't give them the infernal shade boost.

[west thunder]

from what I see mostly everyone plays lich

[arctic turtle]

no one plays lich

[delicate belfry]

from what i see mosty everyone plays lock

with fissure

[arctic turtle]

i'm pretty sure lich is the least played mastery in the entire game

[west thunder]

yet Ive seen many

[arctic turtle]

ok 2nd to last above bladedancer

[thorny barn]

huh, hopefully they have minions on their radar? seems unfortunate an entire group of skills is just... unusable

[knotty cave]

Lich >

I just wish they had cosmetics for it. Lol

[arctic turtle]

here is my current melee bleed lich leveling build, i just realized i'm not even using an amulet, this thing slaps hard

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNKZR8WA

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 23

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 402, Regen: 18.4/s
▸ Mana: 73.62, Regen: 8.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 0 Dex / 26 Int / 0 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 24% / 40% / 49% / 15% / 36% / 56% / 13%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 80
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (22)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (392)
▸ Block Chance: 16%, Mitigation: 24% (89)

Used skills:

Harvest / Bone Curse / Reaper Form

[obtuse quest]

They do have a use. Just as fodder instead. See: Sacrifice, Profane Skeletal Mages.

[knotty cave]

Everything slaps at 23 lol

[arctic turtle]

you'd be surprised

necrotic harvest at 23 does not seem to slap

Lich form MTX would be nice

or whatever it's called, reaper form

[pearl snow]

You’ll never truly sustain it unless you have experimental gloves health loss and all that health drain from the tree. Make sure to not have anything lower your hp drain and maybe use Twisted Heart if you can

Even then it’ll be difficult

[frigid ember]

Does items with "increased fire damage" work on minions with fire damage even though it doesn't say minion fire damage?

[obtuse quest]

No, it has to say "minion" to affect minions.

[arctic turtle]

damn I just noticed that I don't even have the bleed nodes from the warlock tree yet

[solid totem]

stygian lich is so good, wonder why not more people are playing it

[merry crow]

which stats do minions inherit from the necro again?

[obtuse quest]

None.

[pearl snow]

Minion stats are always specific to be for minions on gear idols etc

[silver night]

guys, it is ok to get heretic's flame for provane veils? i was asked here before #❔┃ask-the-community message

[arctic turtle]

ok i could have sworn there was something that had "bleed no longer works on you" somewhere but I can't find it

anyone have any ideas? there are a few nodes that cause self bleed that are really strong and I want to see what's involved

[old hull]

There's nothing that disables bleed effect exactly, but there are things that prevent bleeds from being inflicted on you like exsanguinous.
That said, in almost all cases, self bleed damage is pretty negligible beyond early game so you can mostly ignore it imo, maybe have a cleanse on potion belt as a backup.

[arctic turtle]

i may be thinking of Soul Stability in the Death Seal tree and am misremembering it as self bleed

you know, that's it

the armor

that's where i saw it

[gaunt drift]

Well, INT benefits both the player AND the minions, but in different ways

[arctic turtle]

that armor allows me to pick up doubled edged scythe in the harvest tree

idk, i really feel like harvest bleed lich can scale ridiculously into the end game, has anyone ever tried it? I see no build guides or anything for Harvest

[gaunt drift]

Undead army can beat 300 corruption and Aberroth easily. What do you call "viable"? Because that's the way the devs intended stuff to be balanced around -- 300 corruption. And I rarely have problems withy minions dying even at 370 corruption

[arctic turtle]

additionally, i really feel like the guides and stuff you see online are only going to be for the upper end of builds, because why would someone make a guide for a build that is viable but not the best, like they'll make guides for the best 1 or 2 necro builds, but not the 3rd because why play the 3rd if 1 and 2 are better, but also maybe they just didn't want to put effort into that particular build. I really feel LE shines when you just make up your own build and try to force it to work, like i'm doing with my bleed lich

[noble basin]

Can Aarons Will drop from unique body armor propechy ?

[arctic turtle]

yes in the Blood, Frost, and Death timeline, but it's low chance, like 1.5%

[pearl snow]

Prophecies drop anything non-boss or dugeon specific

[noble basin]

thanks, i got scammed by the game, i kept getting the "Unique Armor" instead of "Unique Body Armor", it has the same symbol....

i realized when i disabled my loot filter

lol

140k favor wasted

[pearl snow]

Hi my name is making guides for warlocks that arn’t 1k pushers lol

I like making guides for shit that doesnt go to uber though because rarely anyone is going to do it

Most people doing Uber dont need guides

[noble basin]

I tried ES WP VK and Judgement Paladin, yess they are very OP, but i got bored fast, my heart is with minion lol, and sadly every arpg developer hates minion

[gaunt drift]

It doesn't have to be blood frost and death lol that's just for echo reward chance too.

Sadly with Aaron's will you won't need last Steps QQ

[arctic turtle]

oh my bad, didn't realize you were talking about prophecies

[noble basin]

Last Steps of the Living ?

[arctic turtle]

thank you for your service, I may make a build page for the melee bleed lich if it ends up working well end game

[noble basin]

its okay, thanks for answering, i knew you misanswered me but i got what you mean

[gaunt drift]

Yeah my favorite boots, comes from the boss of that timeline but bad without Exsanguinous

But yes you want body armor not just armor. Sad they have the same icon 😦 and good luck in your search

[noble basin]

and Uber Aberroth only drops 2 OP gears for sentinels, so no motivation for me to kill him

hope they rework Necromancer and Warlock as OP as VK and Paladin next season

[obtuse quest]

Last I checked the relic uberroth drops is OP for everyone.

[pearl snow]

Yep, LET is great for just publishing guides easily

[noble basin]

yesss i know, but sentinel got to use the best of them

[pearl snow]

Warlock Flame Whip is kinda op if you get the gear imo

The Increased Damage tech makes it wild

I think it has like 70% base crit chance

Not to mention all the crit multi and flat increased damage

[steep prawn]

Hey, sorry., Quick question. I've just got Stygial Coal online, but I'm not sure how Drain Life works. Does it autotarget mobs once it's now a cast or does it follow along with Rip Blood?

[solid totem]

It prioritises targets in rip blood circle

[noble basin]

and stun lock iirc ?

[pearl snow]

Never aplogize for questions

[pearl snow]

Yeah stun locks everything minus Uberroth

Lmao

There are a couple variants currently

Low life is best, I think dreadful is the youtuber that made a non low life

[vivid valve]

But has real bad clear right

[pearl snow]

Its not real bad

Its just meh

If you 1 shot everything is it really bad?

Not necessarily

[obtuse quest]

It auto targets in a certain range of it's circle, which you can move via casting any other skill.

[pearl snow]

You can improve clear with Infernal Shade if you want. I’m trying to work on a nicer lower output version at the moment

[obtuse quest]

Ehhh, any non-minion build that doesn't need another unique relic can run it.

[pearl snow]

But in reality it wont be worth it since best thing is always to just lean into its strengths

[pearl snow]

Witchfire staring back at you

Im kinda curious if low life Witchfire could push it to hit 500k a tick

[noble basin]

yeah sry, maybe i was thinking about necromancer when typing it, but yeah its good for every build

[obtuse quest]

It is what it is.

[pearl snow]

On bosses I guess you could take it off if you aren’t doing mace tech

Lmao

Boss switch

[vivid valve]

Oh man that whip build uses a lot of o 3lp nevermind

[pearl snow]

You dont need 3lp to make it work

3lp is necessary for 1k corruption pushing sure

[vivid valve]

But will with 1lp it looks like it will do a ton of less dmg

[pearl snow]

If you use a 1LP spine with the melee leech roll or ignite

Itll still do normal abby and 300-400

You cant farm good gear without starting somewhere

These guys have 3lp items because they’ve played the same build since launch and pushed it

[vivid valve]

Which acolyte build pushes farthest with 1lp

[solid totem]

Progressing up your gear as you acquire more items with LP is the fun of it

[pearl snow]

Torment, Flame Whip, Dreadlord

Lmao

[vivid valve]

I'm on MG so I'm not going over 1lp

[solid totem]

Once you start farming aberroth you'll get gear easy in MG don't worry

[vivid valve]

Oh

What build farms him good starting out

[solid totem]

I initially played infernal shade crit lich, but I wanted to focus more on bossing so I changed to stygian coal

infernal shade can melt aberroth easy, but stygian coal is on a different level for bossing

[pearl snow]

Torment and dread lord

[vivid valve]

I used to play that last week. Hated it after a few days

Felt clunky. Shade Crit Lich

[solid totem]

There are issues with the build, especially at uberroth

In particular minion upkeep

[vivid valve]

I sometimes have no pets and I hated upkeep on seal

And lose hp

So I swapped to a different class. But I wanna come back to Aco

[solid totem]

I think you'd like whip warlock more then

Strong enough to push all the way to uberroth

[vivid valve]

I'll try the 1lp version for a little bit see how I like it plays

[pearl snow]

I had 1lp and no lp items with mediocre exalted items and it did normal abby in like 3mins

[pallid flint]

Hey guys, is this the best Torment build? or should i follow another guide?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/torment-warlock-guide

[pearl snow]

Maxroll Torment works great. I’m told the provided loot filter isnt so strict but outside of that other torment builds dont deviate much

[pallid flint]

Ahh okay, thanks alot

[blissful shuttle]

i was able to use infernal+dreaad shade at the same time yesterday, but today it only lets me use one. anyone know why that might be?

[pearl snow]

Unique item?

Using Scales?

[signal iris]

im having squishyness issues with witchfire. thinking about farming the stuff for stygian, seems fun to play. is that a little tankier? im a little jittery, im not good at dodging most things :(

[vivid valve]

Is it hard to forge the set rings

[pearl snow]

Yes very. If you are wanting higher than T5

[vivid valve]

Oh darn

[pearl snow]

Yes it is. acolyte unfortunately doesnt tank well

[pearl snow]

With MG though it should be easier you just buy a bunch

[blissful shuttle]

bless you. did see it was on one of my items

[pearl snow]

High forging potential

[vivid valve]

I actually stopped playing my mage because crafting the forged set helmrt looks impossible even as mg

[signal iris]

ah, im married to the dark caster archetype :D flavor > meta. guess ill have to push through! ill give stygian a go, thanks for the reply <3

[pearl snow]

Donolo you just seem like you want to make 90%+ gear off the rip

Lower your expectations lmao

[vivid valve]

Well I was playing the mage for a week and everyone in n that chat is way more geared than me

But they are cof

I picked the wrong faction for how much I play

[solid totem]

The ceiling for MG is much higher

Take it slow it aint a race

[vivid valve]

Yeah but the floor seems rough

I haven't gotten an upgrade in gear in a week

[solid totem]

Acolytes already have it good since its not a "meta" class

So things are relatively cheaper

[vivid valve]

What build can do best on the worst geae

[noble basin]

100k favor, no Aarons Will....

[pearl snow]

Sounds like my Witchfire experience lol

[solid totem]

You'll do fine on any build so long as you gear sensibly, doesnt need to be gg gear

Just find one you like

[vivid valve]

I'll try Stygian lich

What should I use instead of red rings

[solid totem]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/stygian-coal-lich-guide

I think you can start with the maxroll guide

Its a pretty good benchmark imo

[amber temple]

in your experience, which is better: torment lock or flamy whip?

[pearl snow]

Torment way easier to gear

[undone valve]

quick question about lich. playing the stygian coal lich build from maxroll. it says you want int for damage, but drain life is the main skill. which of these 2 items would be better? ignoring resistances

[amber temple]

thanks