💀┃acolyte

[obtuse quest]

The bit would be to use CB to make them boom with more damage and area

[pearl snow]

I do love me some CB

yeah and the problem with auto sac means you still need to fuel it somehow yada yada

seperate dumb build idea

[obtuse quest]

Like my only issue with the idea is that veil is locked to warlock

Otherwise we could do some stupid scaling

[pearl snow]

yeah plus vomit if you went that way is poison too

oh wait you can convert cant you

[obtuse quest]

Not that major of an issue we can convert zombies to full fire and vomits converts along with it

Hey this cook is less burnt that I first thought

[pearl snow]

yeah with fire conversion

[obtuse quest]

We just need actual minion damage somewhere

[pearl snow]

couple small nodes here or there

the ward gen might be kinda crazy too

[obtuse quest]

You’ll need to build hp tho

But not a terrible side line

[sweet hare]

Yo Acolytes. Any builds good to play on controller? Done Primalist and Sentinal so far so looking to branch out

[pearl snow]

I imagine anything not specifically with targeting minions would be good. I have no clue on controller how that all works

[little yarrow]

is this the average curse experience

problem is, I go OOM very quickly-my spells cost all 20+ mana

what to do

[obtuse quest]

Yes, welcome to warlock

[sweet hare]

yeah that's part of the feedback I am collecting for the team. The controller improvements are big but complex minion builds are a no go

[obtuse quest]

First column bottom row passive has mana gain on hit cursed mob

[red harness]

ok I respeced over, i have no idea what im doing but uh im clearing maps smoothly i guess@chrome mason do I just press drain life then spam rip blood for mana? dmg a lil low tho

[little yarrow]

but I dont hit mobs with any of my skills

[noble arch]

So, i'm doing an ice arrow, deathchill golem, and cold mage necro, using bone curse for support. I'm struggling to figure out what my fifth skill should be in all honesty?

[obtuse quest]

If you have fissure speced, you hit mobs. Spirits landing hits count as your hits.

[pearl snow]

I'd say CB lock or Torment lock are good

[obtuse quest]

Something to make you die less.

[pearl snow]

CB requires constant spamming but im sure thats just button held down and move aim

[noble arch]

Only skill i can think of is transplant?

[obtuse quest]

Did you spec into transplant?

Could also dip into rip blood for hp and mana gain

[noble arch]

Read again

[obtuse quest]

Oh I swear Im blind

[noble arch]

I have archers with ice arrow, deathchill golem, ice mages and bone curse specced

[obtuse quest]

Yeah transplant so you have a dodge teleport

[noble arch]

It's the fifth skill i'm struggling on

[obtuse quest]

Wait

[noble arch]

I'll link the build

[obtuse quest]

If you’re going pure cold grab lichs scorn and turn dread shade to buff cold

[eternal heath]

F economy, was a nice 4 days run

[rigid mauve]

Hey, is there any easy way to curse myself ? I can't find other way than during veil or with the mana drain

[obtuse quest]

Fissure has a spec node that lets spirits torment you for stats. Wheel of torment is also an option.

[rigid mauve]

the one where it aims you instead of the ennemies ?

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[rigid mauve]

isn't it a bit bad with chaos bolt tho ?

[obtuse quest]

You gotta make tradeoffs.

[rigid mauve]

i guess

[obtuse quest]

Wheel of torment also self curses you torment if you use soul feast

But that’s a whole unique

[noble arch]

Hmm, can't seem to import my char in LE tools

[noble arch]

Pure cold yeah, cheers!

[pearl snow]

Hmm @obtuse quest With fire convert I wonder if the auto cast of an infernal shade on zombie death might be interesting

[tawdry rock]

Profane veil/Bone Curse can put marked for death on you

[obtuse quest]

Infernal isn’t a minion so the effect is not that notable imo

[rare rock]

About the Serpents Milk amulet, the math confuses me a little. Is 200% increased poison chance really worth the 90% poison damage reduction?

[noble arch]

Still campaiin tho,

[obtuse quest]

I AM going to use that for another build tho

[exotic topaz]

I wish Aura of Decay was good

[obtuse quest]

No. Not for us. There’s one build that abuse this unique to hell and back. Go ask someone about scorpion nova

[pearl snow]

lol

True, maybe that would be a variant that stacks ignite in a weird way

[rigid mauve]

yeah but i'd like to keep veil as a defensive option and not spam it just from the mark, and bone curse needs the mana drain, and I'm kinda bad on mana right now

[obtuse quest]

It is what it is.

[pearl snow]

Great now I stopped playing again and have a build planner up

I blame you kzb

[obtuse quest]

I was supposed to sleep so I’m also paying the cost

[pearl snow]

I have really bad self control

I might try this out after I finally crack out my flame whip

[obtuse quest]

I was planning my witchfire variant when I remembered those bug fixes

[pearl snow]

ive been waiting for the witchfire relic so I can finally update my Damned Ignite CB build

[obtuse quest]

I was thinking to “borrow” some ideas from the infernal shade setups

For WF

[tawdry rock]

Is there a quick way to raise corruption?

[pearl snow]

Shade is probably highest output for that

[pearl snow]

travel far in a line until you find the corruption thing afaik then complete it

for the biggest boost

[obtuse quest]

Gazes,4 of them.

[pearl snow]

Okay I still gotta hit 90 i need to grind again

[obtuse quest]

• far shade is 60 corrupt per kill

[eternal heath]

"I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THAT THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY DUPES OR GOLD EXPLOITS SINCE THE LAST LADDER/MARKET RESET" - EHG _MIKE

#💰┃merchants-guild message

[pearl snow]

ah yes spam every channel

[rotund junco]

Hello everyone. Im using necromancer. Im nearly at the end of campaign. Are summons viable in end game ?

[pearl snow]

yes, as you get higher in corruption your options start reducing though

just choose whatever you wanna play for now. I think having large varied armies of minions is the weakest atm? Havent touched much necros

[rotund junco]

i have this army right now ;)

[chrome mason]

Yeh, for your boss damage you just stand still and spam drain life, try and keep ur death seal up whenever can and cast drain life whenever it turns off

[obtuse quest]

Sir, we cook undead here. All hail CoF.

[autumn elbow]

Every unique and their mother is either bleed, void or cold, meanwhile harvest build has a grand total of 1 unique smh

[atomic violet]

ty

[dusky venture]

ok so to summon the abomination i summon 4 skeles 4 mages then summon it. then remove skeles from hot bars and i am good to go? do i need to do this process all the time or once?

[atomic violet]

it says no AOE. how's your mono clear speed?

[obtuse quest]

Once per summon/abom death

[wise basalt]

It shoots so FAST that it might as well be AOE lol

I'm only lvl 77 right now but I still one shot everything at lvl 90 mono (I'm still not at corrupted)

[atomic violet]

ty

[dusky venture]

so each time it dies i need to change skills resummon skeletons/mages then abom then change spells again ? doesnt sound right

[rigid mauve]

any idea why Soul Bastion gives death mark on myself ?

[little yarrow]

my build is OOM easily, but is untouchable

I think I can scale damage to absurd amounts later on

[hasty monolith]

Anyone played Witchfire lock at high corruption?

[haughty sedge]

So this is curious. I've taken I think 4 points in mind over body and I'm still not seeing my health go down lol.

Oh well nevermind, I regen 47.5 health per second.

Yeah that would cover it lol.

[exotic topaz]

nice

[haughty sedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qn2NwPLQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 74

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Lich (66)

General:

▸ Health: 1,446, Regen: 47.5/s
▸ Mana: 180.37, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 206%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 103 Int / 1 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 112% / 96% / 80% / 76% / 80% / 76% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 80%, Threshold: 332
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (668)

Used skills:

Harvest / Transplant / Reaper Form / Bone Curse / Death Seal

[mild wedge]

this joke still gets me every time

Also to other acolyte players. Theres no way rip blood/drain life as mana generators arent going to be a major part of the rework in some way.

Would you prefer they remove them, and lower mana cost across the board, or nerf drain life and add more options?

[hasty monolith]

drain life can generate mana?

[mild wedge]

an absolutely absurd amount of mana

[hasty monolith]

thats only when you target minions right?

[rigid mauve]

nop

9 / orb

[mild wedge]

right but the way builds do it is

[hasty monolith]

true, but the "pure" drain life builds like Stygian coal cant generate mana, so imo just make it only a spender 🙂

[mild wedge]

lol yeah thats half of why using drain life for damage is bad

but yeah would you rather have the cost lowered, or more skills able to generate mana?

As acolyte not having natural generators like other classes is part of her identity in a way

[noble arch]

Cheers @obtuse quest dread shade was absolutely the right call, took the node where it doesn't drain health and no i have a permanent attack/cast speed buff and damage buff for my ranged minions

No cold damage conversion yet tho

Granted, more damage taken but

[hasty monolith]

I would rather have the rip blood have more options to generate more mana, like making it Aoe (more projectials)

[mild wedge]

so would you be oppposed to things like hungering sousl generating mana as well (Obviously direct cast only.)

[hasty monolith]

No i think even casts of Spirit Plauge could be a generator

and maybe even Harvest as a melee generator for a melee lich build

[mild wedge]

I can't think of any good way to generate mana for necro

lol

maybe they need a new skill entirely

oh duh

lol sacrafice

[wintry flame]

could see if the warlock passive procs with bone curse

then your minions can proc it for you

then build a little mana regen

[hasty monolith]

true, idk everytime i think about spells for acolyte i think about warlock spells for wow

[autumn elbow]

Your endurance is overcapped, you should change belts

[fallow basin]

Hi Acolyte experts
I wanted to ask something about summon wraith:

Is it possible to outscale the life decay with regen/leech? Or is it a constantly escalating decay like the abomination?

[haughty sedge]

When I find one.

The reason it's overcapped is so I can, among other things, replace the belt. I thought that'd be obvious.

[tropic bobcat]

Anyone playing death seal lich? How much hp should I target now that I’m starting 100 corruption monos?

[haughty sedge]

Yes.

[tropic bobcat]

How are you doing? I’m level 85 but feel like I die a lot on 100c

[haughty sedge]

I'm not that high yet

But when the question is "How much health should I have?" the answer is always "More".

[tropic bobcat]

I guess 1k is a wrong answer then lmao

[delicate belfry]

Im playing with the 33% trait like in the build guide

[haughty sedge]

When I entered monos I was at 13k lol

[tropic bobcat]

Goddamn did you have health afixes on all your gear?

[haughty sedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qn2NwPLQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 74

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Lich (66)

General:

▸ Health: 1,446, Regen: 47.5/s
▸ Mana: 180.37, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 206%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 103 Int / 1 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 112% / 96% / 80% / 76% / 80% / 76% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 80%, Threshold: 332
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (668)

Used skills:

Harvest / Transplant / Reaper Form / Bone Curse / Death Seal

[tawdry rock]

I scaled my poison increased damage to like 485%. Is that a lot or not really? Just wondering if I should invest in more poison application or more damage? I am easily applying like 100-150 stacks of poison on a boss

[tropic bobcat]

That’s 1.4k

Crazy endurance though

[haughty sedge]

Well it's no longer the level I was at when I started monos

But I'm not in empowered yet either

And yeah I have too much, I'll fix that in due time.

Getting endurance capped is good though.

Just don't go 20 points over like me.

[tropic bobcat]

I need t4 julra to slam my uniques but she kills me

[haughty sedge]

The trick to that is

Don't die

[tropic bobcat]

Smart idea

Guess I need to grind some more monos

[haughty sedge]

But like, idk, I usually just like

Hit Death Seal

And just hold Harvest.

And I can't die.

I face tanked Lagon.

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah me too

Problem is downtime between death seals

Still vulnerable to one shots

[haughty sedge]

I still hold Harvest.

[tropic bobcat]

I’m not using harvest

And still, a one shot is always dangerous because endurance does not kick in

[autumn elbow]

wait, is there a point in doing temporal sanctum t4 rather than t3 if you just want to slam stuff?

[haughty sedge]

Some uniques can only be slammed in t4.

[tropic bobcat]

My unique wand is lvl 78 so I need t4

Basically I need to do t4 julra so I can slam my LP uniques so I can do t4 julra so I can slam..

[haughty sedge]

Well, this is why I don't really bother with temporal sanctum stuff until I'm at like 200c+

Maybe even more.

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah I think I just have to grind lvl 90 monos for some upgrades defensively

In those I cruise by pretty nicely

[haughty sedge]

Could also re-evaluate your loadout.

Like what is it you're missing?

[tropic bobcat]

I’m on my phone so I can’t link you my loadout

[haughty sedge]

Did you take all the vit nodes?

[tropic bobcat]

But I’m not res capped on everything but almost there like 60+ in what’s missing. I think I have low hp, 1k only. My endurance threshold also could be higher it’s only at 230hp I think

If you’re here tomorrow I’ll link it to you

[haughty sedge]

Like, I don't even have that much health on gear. I lucked into the +122 health boots though. But the majority of my health is just from level and vit.

[tropic bobcat]

I have the grimoire, the avarice gloves and the marina wands. No red rings though

[haughty sedge]

Chasing red rings at 100c?

[tropic bobcat]

Chasing them in general, just now I started getting some prophecies for unique rings

Would be the best upgrade for me right now

[haughty sedge]

I'm not running a single unique yet. LUL

[tropic bobcat]

Also abertoh but yeah still need to kill avengers

[haughty sedge]

I don't think I have a single slot that doesn't have some scuffed affixes.

[tropic bobcat]

Yah for normal monos prob is fine

I’m just feeling it now at 100c

Maybe need to move more and not play as brain dead as I was

Realistically the aberoth helmet would solve my defensive needs by using mana as a shield

But that’s far away still

[haughty sedge]

"All this build needs to come together is to get the thing you get by farming the hardest boss in the game"

I like your energy lol.

[tropic bobcat]

Eheheh

Nah just saying as an easy fix all bandaid

That would be it, using mana as shield

Obv it’s locked away tightly

[haughty sedge]

How are you managing your health gain? How are you managing being at low life?

Like there's a reason my endurance is capped.

[tropic bobcat]

I just leech with rip blood and all the other spells

While in death seal my hp doesn’t move at all really

[haughty sedge]

Do you have enough leech?

[tropic bobcat]

Oh yeah

Issues are one shots

[haughty sedge]

Oh here's a tip though.

Deactivate death seal before you lose targets 😛

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah I do that to optimise death seal cooldown

[haughty sedge]

There's a little delay with the leech so deactivating it should let you benefit from the huge damage you just dealt to heal back to full.

[tropic bobcat]

But sometimes you are fighting 500 mobs + exile mage + champion + nemesis while death seal rip blood spamming and you miss the circle indicator that one shots you 🥲

[haughty sedge]

Ok so what about endurance?

Are you res capped?

[tropic bobcat]

.

Needs improvement but RNG gods not been so kind lately

Need to grind more

[haughty sedge]

Have you been picking up idols? Have you been in the tombs?

[tropic bobcat]

Oh yeah, not ideals idols but got some good ones to cover crit avoidance

[haughty sedge]

I'd worry about res capping before crit avoid.

If you need crit avoid at 100c, I feel like something's off.

Crit reduce also might be better since it's not all or nothing.

Or, if you must, Blind.

[tropic bobcat]

I got fear on hit on them too

[mild wedge]

yeah acolyte is a ward class spikey damage isn't waht scares you

[tropic bobcat]

I mean nothing is optimized yet, that’s the fun of the game

[haughty sedge]

Death seal is anti ward mostly

[mild wedge]

\ doesn't death seal convertt ward to armor though?

[tropic bobcat]

You lose all ward with that 33% node

[haughty sedge]

"mostly"

[mild wedge]

or is it one of those super outdatted barely functional skill

[haughty sedge]

Death Seal works really well if you don't invest anything into ward lol

[mild wedge]

acolyte needs like a core class node

"Convert ward gain to life gain."

[haughty sedge]

Why not just... Take... Health?

[chrome mason]

i hit

[mild wedge]

becasue child your class is shit at armor

[tropic bobcat]

I think the key is high health and endurance threshold

[mild wedge]

int class means int defenses

[tropic bobcat]

Bone armor

[haughty sedge]

Endurance threshold is garbage lol.

[mild wedge]

increased armor as well

[haughty sedge]

That's funny because int gives me armor.

[mild wedge]

no strenght scaling

[mild wedge]

is that a lich thing?

[haughty sedge]

Yea

You know what also gives me armor?

Health.

[tropic bobcat]

How so? It needs to be at 33% or higher or you don’t take advantage of it who in death seal

[mild wedge]

why is lich weird champ

[haughty sedge]

Lets say you have 4k life, you would need to hit 1320 endurance threshold. From a base of 800.

[tropic bobcat]

Reaper form is badass tho

[haughty sedge]

Best you can do is a max roll revenant plate which gives 6% of your health.

[tropic bobcat]

Yah that’s the goal

[mild wedge]

oh no reaper form is a very cool core mechanic

[haughty sedge]

Death Seal also gives armor based on your missing health

Not a percentage

Based on the flat amount

[mild wedge]

i think all the acolyte masteries do a good job of choosing a strong mastery skill

they're really good but not needed

[haughty sedge]

There's some shenanigans you can do as lich that converts leech into damage.

You won't be leeching anymore.

[mild wedge]

So opinion

maybe make acolyte the int vitality class than wiht the rework?

[haughty sedge]

I don't think anything will change fundamentally with the rework.

They'll probably just do something like what they did with sentinel

[mild wedge]

I think quite a few things are changing fundamentally

with the fact that there is no changes to necromancer at all since launch

and i don't know how long before that

[silver marsh]

Been leveling a Lich (first time acolyte) how much gear is there for payoffs of self-inflicted statuses

[haughty sedge]

I mean Acolyte isn't really lacking in power, there's just some awkward lack of build diversity.

[mild wedge]

and a lot of that is due to core systems within acolyte

how minion/player damage works is the biggest one i could see changing

[haughty sedge]

I mean... They could just... Bring up the other builds...

[mild wedge]

That wouldn't be a rework

[haughty sedge]

Give Lich a shiny new skill.

[mild wedge]

they could do that at any time

[haughty sedge]

It's what they did with sentinel

[mild wedge]

No

they fundamentally changed the two skills everyone was using?

and than every single mana generator

How sentinels mana works looks nothing like pre rework

also gave him % health healing and leech in spades on vk

[haughty sedge]

So... Buffs.

[mild wedge]

reworked the core of regen/health/endurance mechanics

[haughty sedge]

That's a global thing

[mild wedge]

yeah that was related to sentinel

[haughty sedge]

No it's global

[mild wedge]

Changing how minion damage works in relation to acolyte

would also be a global thing

[haughty sedge]

Yeah so nothing to do with acolyte

[noble arch]

What do you feel is off with minion damage?

[haughty sedge]

I have no idea.

[noble arch]

Some minions could do with a bit more flat in their skill sure

Like skeletons

[haughty sedge]

I think the general idea is that right now, for minion builds in general, the character has to give of itself in order for minions to be strong.

[mild wedge]

"It's exactly the same as player damage. Except when it isn't." is the tldr .

[haughty sedge]

In particular, the relation minion mods have to prefixes and suffixes is completely inverted.

[mild wedge]

so the when its different pretty much only exist to make it so hybridizing is harder.

[noble arch]

That's what a minion build is tho

[haughty sedge]

Yes, but like.

How do I put this?

There's a problem when you do all of that and your minions still aren't all that strong.

And then you die when a boss breathes at you.

[noble arch]

Hybriziding will allways be harder, no matter how you try and balance it

You cannot expect a hybrid build to be as strong as a pure build

[mild wedge]

Or here me out you do what any game not trying to copy diablo 2 does

and just make minions scale with palyer increases

😮

you still need minion health

so there is a downside

[haughty sedge]

Won't that just mean everyone should just run minions?

[noble arch]

I still don't see the issue, i get what you're saying manock

[haughty sedge]

Because you lose no power when you take a minion?

[mild wedge]

No look at manifest armor.

You can literally set it up so its just a copy of you

[noble arch]

But i'm assuming that happens when you're at 2-300 corruption that minions die easily

[mild wedge]

and not everyone runs it

[haughty sedge]

Yeah but using the stats on your gear is kinda the forge guard's schtick.

[mild wedge]

but yeah the big factor is minion health that non diablo likes use.

you do still have to keep the little bastards alive

[haughty sedge]

I'm just guessing you don't get out what you put in, is what I'm saying.

I mean most minions scale with some attribute of yours. Usually attunement or intelligence.

[noble arch]

I'm only in campaign with my necro atm, but i am defo getting what i am putting in

The only thing i am struggling with for my minions is flat damage to scale off

[mild wedge]

but yeah as long as they want hybridization ot be default it's going to be a problem

the current big problem is crit though

[noble arch]

But other than that i'm absolutely having no issues, and i don't see monoliths early being a challenge either

[mild wedge]

well crit/ailment chance

[haughty sedge]

All I know is I ran a full minion forge guard to 225c or so during 1.1, and I'm fairly sure I coulda done 300c if I didn't quit playing.

[noble arch]

Again, i fail to see the issue with not being able to hybridize well between minion and active combat

Beastmaster can hybridize melee and minion decently

[haughty sedge]

Or ranged if you go spriggan

[noble arch]

Yep

[mild wedge]

because the game is designmed where minion builds still have to combat

they don't want pure minion playstyles

outside of a few niche necros

[noble arch]

Who said that?

[mild wedge]

the game designers

several times

[haughty sedge]

What they want is for the player to press buttons.

[wintry flame]

I am lazy necro, but setup is pain

[noble arch]

I'm going to needa source for that

[haughty sedge]

Uh, can confirm that this is the design philosophy.

[wintry flame]

press what buttons 😛

[haughty sedge]

Not only did they say it, but you can see it in the design lol.

[mild wedge]

why would bone curse apply to minion hits

if you werent supposed to hybridize with it

[noble arch]

That's supporting

[haughty sedge]

There's no world where you can just run a minion build and not press buttons unless you really, really build for it.

[noble arch]

Not hybridiziation

There's a difference between support and hybridiziation

I use bone curse to support my minions, but it's not a source of my damage

[haughty sedge]

So y'all are talking about the same thing but calling it different words.

Lets not make it about semantics.

[noble arch]

Hybridization to me is when you take two different playstyles, aka minions and direct combat, and mix them together

[haughty sedge]

I mean you will be attacking things in like 95% of minion builds.

[noble arch]

Focusing on two different aspects of playstyles to clarify

[chrome mason]

Shoutout to the nemesis system

[wintry flame]

trueee

[mild wedge]

yeah usually supporting your minions

requires player stats to be efficent

and vice versa

[haughty sedge]

What bothers me is that minion stats are reversed between prefixes and affixes.

[noble arch]

A hybrid build to me is say using chaos bolt and using that to attack, and using minions as offensive tools. building stats for BOTH

[haughty sedge]

Means you have to sacrifice health or resists for your minions to deal more damage.

[noble arch]

That's what hybridization for me is

[cloud cypress]

Does Chthonic Fissure still pop Infernal shade by taking this note, when I use Spine of Malatros (Flame Whip sword)?

[noble arch]

Using bone curse to support your minions is not hybridization

That's just using the skill as a means to support your primary offense

[mild wedge]

wrong reply

[haughty sedge]

You're just arguing semantics.

[mild wedge]

yeah i'm past it

but we kinda agree

"It's weird af nothing works.":

[haughty sedge]

That being said

I do not think minions are in the worst place. They can just be better.

[noble arch]

I'll agree to disagree that we're talking about the same thing

And leave it at that

[crisp ridge]

i would guess no, since flame whips arent considered spirits. worth a test tho

[haughty sedge]

For example, add some nodes where minion resists or minion health also partially applies to you.

[chrome mason]

Alright im retiring for the season

[haughty sedge]

Don't you want to... Use it?

[chrome mason]

No i'm going to the casino to put everything on red

Putting the house on red after dropping the base and 3lp ladle in the timespan of 10 minutes

[cloud cypress]

yeah I'm afraid it does not, but would be great for a fire build

[unborn hedge]

i see ure playing with abo acting as dread shade buffer

do you encounter ur abo dying randomly?

[wintry flame]

he dies if I let him

and some boss arenas I can't use him so my damage goes down a lot

100k+ crits to like 40k 😛

[unborn hedge]

hmm, do you re put him?

when joining map

[wintry flame]

you have to re-snapshot him and dread shade when he dies

[unborn hedge]

cuz often in tombs my abo tends to die for no reason

ye i know the mechanic

[wintry flame]

but other than that he just follows me to every echo as I run them

[unborn hedge]

but its kinda annyoing setting him

[wintry flame]

how?

what you mean setting sorry

[unborn hedge]

i mean when he dies on arenas/certain bosses

[wintry flame]

I block arenas lmao

[unborn hedge]

😄

[wintry flame]

and I have spots for most boss areas

[chrome mason]

Man that is some awful rolls

[wintry flame]

I swap a minion tp ring to move him

[unborn hedge]

is there a sweet place for aberroth?

[wintry flame]

idk yet I think I might have to play with the ring on and move him strategically lmaooo

[unborn hedge]

xd

do you use lich's scorn btw?

[wintry flame]

yeh

I killed abby using deathknight as my dread holder

[unborn hedge]

its pretty anoying setting him up when he dies

[wintry flame]

but I accidentally put it on my rogue still got the kill 😛

[unborn hedge]

but otherwise its amazing dps boost

[wintry flame]

yeh it's very annoying

[unborn hedge]

my flame wraiths are able to crit 3.5mln on dummy

[hasty monolith]

could be worse as first drop

[chrome mason]

😭

[hasty monolith]

yikes

[wintry flame]

yeah wraiths are good for it but are you resummoning them?

like not perma wraiths

[unborn hedge]

yea with aberrant call

[wintry flame]

I see

[unborn hedge]

but not making them turrets

for clear at least

i rather zoom through map

with them flying around

[wintry flame]

mhm fair enough

need to find a spot on abby 😛

[unborn hedge]

but yea my issue is that abo often dies on map

like maybe there are some spells that target it

[wintry flame]

there are arena wide dots

[unborn hedge]

i wonder if archmage profane oblation would work

with 350% added effective

[wintry flame]

it would

[unborn hedge]

but i guess i'd have to invest in some minion hp

and get good amulet with crit multi

[wintry flame]

I could get better gear lmao

need to solve this issue first

[unborn hedge]

btw do rogues die a lot?

[wintry flame]

no

They are near invincible with armor, hp, and leech

[unborn hedge]

might be, my golems died on my first aberroth fight

so thats why im wondering about survivability

[wintry flame]

I abuse snapshotting tho

[unborn hedge]

nvm this would suck on profane oblation

unless archmage insta kills skeletons

[wintry flame]

Archmage crit would be good for crit multi

oh yeah might get put on skele

[steep pulsar]

hey guys ! My wife is trying to do a full minion build for 1.2

you guys have any build i can follow?

[lofty pine]

hey guys, can i ask something about symbol of loss harvest's node? what does multiplicative with other modifiers mean?

is it other type of curses or other debuff like bleed, poison, etc. ?

[wintry flame]

just means it's a multiplier in the damage formula, it's multiplied independently after other calculations

[chrome mason]

means its an dmg x ( x value) and not a dmg x ( + value)

[wintry flame]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/resources/damage-explained and also press g in game and you can look up more

[lofty pine]

ahh ok2 thanks a lot

[cinder junco]

can anyone tell me what i should farm/focus on next? i'm not living through 300 corruption reliably:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYXRlq0B

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 79

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (5) / Warlock (86)

General:

▸ Health: 2,209, Regen: 18.42/s
▸ Mana: 268.9, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 250%, Regen: 168/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 11 Dex / 94 Int / 1 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 129% / 84% / 6% / 6% / 400% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 22%, Threshold: 442
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (78)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,732)

Used skills:

Soul Feast / Chthonic Fissure / Chaos Bolts / Rip Blood / Bone Curse

[crisp ridge]

ur hp is on the lower end, ur res's arent capped, ur armour is okay

i cant instantly see crit avoid/reduc but you want that if u dont have

[timid glacier]

Hello guys, could you please tell me if there is a way to check minion dps

?

[wintry flame]

dummy area in divine era

Champions Gate or something

[timid glacier]

so just summon one by one and check numbers?

[cinder junco]

any recommendations how i should improve HP and armor?
I realized i haven't entered my blessings which is why the res's aren't capped. but that's fine. that's an easy fix. basically i need to know if i need survival or more DPS.

[wintry flame]

yeah or math it out you can use my damage sheet if you want, only is configured for hit damage https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QJ99y2rduTlkAMW-1_yIzDBf1tRTnCszFxA7SoiHgSk/edit?usp=sharing

[crisp ridge]

generally defensives

[timid glacier]

Hey, thanks!

[sullen wind]

how does one get the Zerrick's Greed "Reforged" ? I have Zerrick's Greed gloves.. but reforged?

[wintry flame]

woven echo to shatter set items

[sullen wind]

ohh makes sense. thanks

[granite raven]

does this stack?

[solemn dagger]

Could someone help me with a filter for the summon queue?

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdqa0e1B @obtuse quest Not quite sure whats going on yet but Volatile Zombie Ignite? Am I cooked?

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (25) / Warlock (40)

General:

▸ Health: 1,196, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 139.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 109%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 37 Int / 1 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 35% / 40% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 91% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 239
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (406)

Used skills:

Summon Volatile Zombie / Profane Veil / Chaos Bolts / Chthonic Fissure / Transplant

[pearl snow]

its like half done

need sanity

[pearl snow]

filter for what?

[solemn dagger]

i use this build https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olZRRJ6Q but no hace filther for items for this

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 70

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 1,114, Regen: 16.51/s
▸ Mana: 95.35, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 194%, Regen: 81/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 8 Dex / 49 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 109% / 121% / 72% / 33% / 52% / 205% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 223
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (83)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (531)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Wraith / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

This build has a guide:

New Auto Loop Necromancer Summoner Build | 1 Button Speed Farmer by Mattjestic Life

[pearl snow]

Best I can do without just making a filter for a build I dont play myself is a general set of guidelines.

- Show any 1H Weapons with Minon Dmg, Flat Minion Dmg, any other desired affixes
- Show any catalyst with Minon Dmg, FlatMinion Hp, any other desired affixes
- Any Belt/Ring/Amulet with Resistances, Critical Strike Avoidance
- Any Chest with Resistances, Summon Wraith +Lvl, Spell Dmg per Mage, Reduced Damage from Critical Strikes
- Any Boots with Resistances, Movement Speed, Intellect, Reduced Damage from Critical Strikes
- Any Gloves with Resistances, Intellect, Hybrid Health, Minion Damage, Reduced Damage from Critical Strikes
- Show The Uniques you want

You'll want to use combined tier totals and either duplicate rules to help you filter out lower tier vs items with exalted and better things

I've got a writeup for filters but its a diff build

[livid parcel]

Do you know how much it's worth?

[solemn dagger]

tnx ♥

[pearl snow]

np, also im not responsible for loot not showing up etc 🙂

[coarse gyro]

Hey guys, I dropped some items that'd work for Ghostflame and I want to try it out, but I can't figure out how to make it deal high amounts of damage, I only managed to get like 100+ flat added spell damage. Any ideas or uniques that can help?

[pearl snow]

Tried DoT stacking?

[strange plank]

I keep getting good drops but with no implicits am I doing something wrong

[pearl snow]

there are implicits right there

armor + endurance

[strange plank]

what are these tings

[coarse gyro]

you reckon bleed or ignite + damned?

[pearl snow]

ignite + damned might be easier curerently especially with witchfire goin on now

[pearl snow]

so that is a Sealed affix. They appear rarely on Nemesis items are drops from Champions. You would have to kill a Volcano Champion for that to drop on it

[coarse gyro]

oh I didn't think about witchfire, thanks!

[gritty cargo]

ive heard of a lich build that uses a melee weapon with leech on it?

[pearl snow]

Possibly Harvest?

[gritty cargo]

idk what it is

im just tempted to take all the 2h weapons ive horded and just throw them on the floor without even looking at them

[pearl snow]

could be Deaths Embrace

2H Axe

[high smelt]

which is easier to get goign crit stygia lich or crit shade lich. lvl 70

rank 8mg, 9 soon

[gritty cargo]

hm maybe the leech tech was just putting leech on any weapon and going for the node

[pearl snow]

whichever has a lower geaer requirement

[gritty cargo]

I tried going stygia lich and I got to lv82 and I gave up cause rng would not give me a useable weapon to replace my lv50 weapon that didnt have spell cost reduction, so playing it was painful so I just shelved it

[gaunt drift]

The unique gloves Fingers of the Phantom Mire say more damage to feared enemies, this is only damage I do myself, not my minions right?

[gritty cargo]

I had a Marina's drop today so I might go back to it and see if it comes online with it

[pearl snow]

unless it specifies "by you" than any mob with the "feared" tag should take extra dmg

[high smelt]

what have you had luck with so far

[gaunt drift]

You might get more respoinses if you can translate it for us. Also, can try asking in merchants guild channel too 🙂

It just says "more damage to feared enemies"....very ambiguous, I think.

[pearl snow]

yeah thatll be any feared enemy

whether its from that Terrify cast or something else

[gaunt drift]

Oh sorry my question was worded bad 😛 What I meant was is it only me that does more damage to them, or do my minions also do more damage to them?

[pearl snow]

oh only you

[gaunt drift]

That's what I thought. Too bad. Thanks!

[crisp ridge]

why is hybrid hp so hard to find 😭

[chilly star]

man idk stygian coal feels so ass, i cant survive emp monolith even with decent gear

[hasty monolith]

I see you have benn talking a bit her about Witchfire, have you tried it out at high corruption, mostly wondering if its even worth going for, dont want to spend alot of time swapping if its just meh

[crisp ridge]

how high you wanting tested?

[pearl snow]

Im not at high corruption atm. I think most aren't with the new stuff in 1.2 honestly

[crisp ridge]

im currently using a solely specd witchfire at 300+ and its still fine.

i should say, i dont think specing solely into witchfire is good tho

[pearl snow]

no matter how you build into DoT and witchfire it should still be comfy until 200+ easily

I assume the 500 mark will start being the point where you have to build it with the most optimal skill etc.

Whether thats shade or CB or whatever else I dunno

[crisp ridge]

whats cb? chaos bolts?

[pearl snow]

yeah

[crisp ridge]

thats how im doing mine

[pearl snow]

yeah since I dont have relic yet I can't test but I'd assume CB with the new ring that spawns wandering spirits and converts it to fire is gunna pump your ignite and damned high enough to carry well into corruption levels

Just simple enjoyers

[crisp ridge]

wish overloads were just a bit better tbh

if ur overloads desync it feels really bad

[pearl snow]

True

I find the desync to not happen much with CB though

[crisp ridge]

wish they had a refresh mechanic, wuold make the build a feel a lot better

[crisp ridge]

the few times it happens is when the following occurs

CB -> applies enough ignite but not damned -> enemies die on 2nd cast -> dont get damned overload

like its when mobs have too little hp

[pearl snow]

ah yeah

the mono clear with spiders n shit

[crisp ridge]

it only hapens against small packs(generally 1-2 enemies) or if extremely small hp

[high smelt]

what is the best/easiest starting monmolith Aco build

[pearl snow]

Sorry but thats just whatever you enjoy Imma be real especially for normal monos.
But lots of warlock abilities dont need uniques so those are easy

[high smelt]

im gettin rekt

i was fine on my mage tho, but i had a build guide to follow

randomly getting 1 shot

and low dps

[pearl snow]

what are you currently building

[high smelt]

random

thats hwy just want any good build for starting

[pearl snow]

DoT stuff is fairly easy with little to no required uniques

[high smelt]

is there a guide

[crisp ridge]

anyone know name of woven echo with lot of nemesis?

[pearl snow]

Apparently mine is the only updated one on Last Epoch Tools, but maxroll also has guides

[high smelt]

oh can u link the le tools one

[pearl snow]

You can also look at non 1.2 builds, most havent changed

[pearl snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/filter/mastery=warlock&language=en&cycle=harbingers-of-ruin+tombs-of-the-erased

thatll include some older builds

[high smelt]

what should I use instead of twisted heart in th emean while

soulfire?

[pearl snow]

Check out the variants, theres a non unique setup

[high smelt]

ooh

[pearl snow]

and a list of alternatives

you can either blindly follow it or read the whole thing and build whichever way you want basically

[pearl snow]

Conquered tower I think

[viscid junco]

not sure im liking the coal build, can anyone recommend something thats fun but can clear high with investment?

[crisp ridge]

yea i got it, tyvm

[pearl snow]

I dont know witch too well but I think Harvest is good

er Lich

[viscid junco]

i can swap from lich, doesnt matter

[crisp ridge]

im respecing to lich soon 😭 the cost is a lot

[pearl snow]

Harvest Lich, Wraithlord Necro, Lock has Infernal Shade or DoTs prob

[swift forge]

Is there any updated harvest lich build tho? Most of the guides I've found were a while ago and use either blood rip instead of harvest and want to use that 2h scythe Deaths Embrace to be edgy. I have a wraithlord build atm but it doesn't feel as smooth as it once did so kinda want to change to something else and Lich is kinda my thing. Undead scythe wielding, low life cool playstyle etc.

[calm dome]

Not sure if Harvest scales all that well. I remember a build using Leviathan Carver as the weapon and using Chaos Bolt to proc Harvest but nothing else comes to mind for a Harvest build

[swift forge]

Hmm

Is this based on old info or current? I'm very out of date as I do remember that there were a lot of passive nodes that just didn't work for Lich. No idea if that changes anything or if they've been fixed considering it's been 2 seasons now.

Plus the weapon Deaths Embrace makes Harvest 200% stronger. Not sure if thats just some additive dmg or a 2x multi tho

[obtuse quest]

Multi

[obtuse quest]

That’s because Lich hasen’t got a notable change since… Warlock got released

[swift forge]

Yeah i know there is a supposed rework that some content creators have been saying is coming in the next season as well as the lichs last skill

[old hull]

Lich for S3, we all waiting for the new cold lich

[calm dome]

Don't know why they have ward retention stuff in Lich tree when Death Seal exists

[swift forge]

But still, it seems like a fun build to zoom around on and Warlock doesn't scratch that itch for me so I was hoping to see if anyone has got some idea on it.

[swift steppe]

In 1.3 watch lich have 1000+ build guides

[swift forge]

Lmao

[obtuse quest]

Because some just run reaper form and ignore death seal

[obtuse quest]

All the old tricks work basically

[calm dome]

I did this and just wondered why am I not just Warlock

[swift forge]

I guess my question is moreso are the bugs that were present on release where 50% of the lich skill tree just didn't work in lich form fixed?

[obtuse quest]

Because warlock’s crit support is kinda ass unless built a specific way

[calm dome]

I'm playing DoT on Warlock

Always

[obtuse quest]

And lich is the better choice for crit users on paper. If you want DoT of course Warlock is better

[obtuse quest]

That sounds like ages ago that I don’t even know what bugs you’re talking about honestly

[swift forge]

I remember certain nodes in the tree just did nothing. They said did xyz, yet literally just didn't work.

[obtuse quest]

At least right now to my knowledge everying works as intended. Some just suck.

[swift forge]

Ahh okay. Thanks. Wasn't there some resident harvest enjoyer in here? Heavy or something?

Was wondering if he has some build with harvest thats fairly recent.

I've tried to theory craft but I cannot get my head around optimising in this game compared to D4

[obtuse quest]

Don’t think he updated his stuff since nothings changed

[swift forge]

Do you have his old build? I couldn't find it on LE Tools

Or was it on like maxroll?

[obtuse quest]

Ha hasen’t cooked anything in 1.2 tho

Errr i don’t think I have any? Hold on

Nope, got nothing on my end

[swift forge]

Okay thanks at least I wasn't blind then

Ill wait for Heavy to maybe get online and ask him for his old build if he still has it

If nothing works, ill end up using the Stygian blood rip build with drain life

But harvest on lich just sounds more cool and that's why I play games. Not for meta but for fun.

[mild wedge]

Good news

[swift forge]

I dont care if its not as good as my current wraithlord build as long as it's more fun

[mild wedge]

you can't actually poison overload yourself

[crisp ridge]

overload is a self buff tho?

[swift forge]

Idk what poison overload or any condition overload is yet. I have seen that affix but never used it

[mild wedge]

It's a warlock thing

@crisp ridge It's an aura which means it doesn't effect you specifically, but it actually is an aura that gives your poisons an additional effect essentially. The thought was it would nuke your resist with self poison

[crisp ridge]

the overload itself, are self buffs. idk the context, but an overload is applied to ur char.

theyre just conditional to occur

[mild wedge]

yeah aura of decay uses your poison stats i think

which is why i was worried

[crisp ridge]

yea idk context, im just saying overloads do apply to yourself.

[red harness]

does stygian beam just auto track to everyone in aoe?

i may have messed something up

[crisp ridge]

my witchfire build is making progress 😂

[wooden linden]

which is better, more intelligence or more critical strike multiplier? i play stygian beam

[crisp ridge]

doesnt stygian scale hard on int?

[charred echo]

Profane orbs are linking as coagulated blood orbs on LE tools, assumed it was a bug but changing the rip blood skin mtx also changes how the orbs from veil look. Is it just a visual bug or are profane orbs actually blood orbs?

[swift forge]

Likely reused assets

[obtuse quest]

There's a decent chance that they use the blood orb base slapped on with profane's additional stuff.

[charred echo]

But why the lack of a skill scaling tooltip in letools

[swift forge]

If its an asset it wouldn't be related to blood orbs. If its actually a blood orb, then idk

[obtuse quest]

It's most likely uses the subskill rule where it inherits everything from the skill that casted it.

[swift forge]

Oh is he asking about the skill itself or the fact that an mtx changes both? I'm confused.

[charred echo]

In game it's a standard int scaling and then 200% added damage effectiveness

I just want to know if the orb is actually the profane orb like the game says, or a blood orb like Letools and the visual would indicate

[swift forge]

Oooh. Okay yeah no idea on that. My comment is simply that based on your first question, that's simply an asset reused by the game to save resources.

What the behind the scenes stuff is going on, no idea

[obtuse quest]

Tunklabs says:

[charred echo]

So letools just messed up and the assest it reused, ight

[bold hatch]

Cruising 200c currently with volatile zombie infernal shade lich build. Feels like easy mode once you get the key gear pieces

[charred echo]

Also the penance curse in the game guide and the actual node don't match, guide says penance deals damage on hit (like bone curse) and the node in veil says takes damage when afflicted hits something. It doesn't matter, but it's there

[obtuse quest]

Guide is wrong, everywhere else says when the affected hits something.

[brazen shell]

I dont think i'll find better boots anytime soon

[ripe arch]

hows stygian lich looking, I wanna level a new alt

[brazen shell]

lich is fun for me

[ebon mica]

Tunklabs is correct as it's just displaying "related skill" as it's shown in the game. But that skill that you see in there is not correct, it's actually not real and was created for the sake of being able to show it in UI because I think it's the only way to set it up.
In reality what is used is Coagulated Blood skill which is mutated to have necrotic damage type and that's it.
LE Tools on the other hand displays the skill that is actually used (coagulated blood), but since there's no way to show that skill is mutated to have different props, the mutated version of skill data is not shown.

So, in the end judging by the code it looks like the only incorrect thing about Profane Orb skill in LE Tools is that its damage is 30 Necrotic instead of 30 Pyhsical and it has Necrotic tag instead of Physical.
I'm not seeing any changes to added damage effectiveness, so it should be 150% as well.

[obtuse quest]

So I was right, it uses coagulated as the base.

[crisp ridge]

was is considered good crit multi towards endgame? assuming relevent stuff like capped resistances etc. etc.

[obtuse quest]

Build dependent.

[crisp ridge]

thats fair

[charred echo]

So then the in-game tooltip is wrong in displaying 200% damage effectiveness, that is kinda big

[trail citrus]

anyone else playing ailment/everything warlock? how are you scaling damage after empowered monos? This is my planner at the moment: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNZaYWKo trying to figure out what to focus on next

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 87

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (5) / Warlock (75)

General:

▸ Health: 1,631, Regen: 19.09/s
▸ Mana: 274.94, Regen: 18/s
▸ Ward Retention: 282%, Regen: 166/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 14 Dex / 56 Int / 9 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 155% / 53% / 174% / 72% / 119% / 158% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 39%, Threshold: 326
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (136)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,013)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 68%

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Chthonic Fissure / Transplant / Spirit Plague / Bone Curse

[noble arch]

Is there any value in going low life ward for minion gameplay?

[swift steppe]

There's a popular guide for witchfire warlock in youtube by Cursedboy. Maybe you want to go that route?

[crisp ridge]

wasnt his guide like rly bad?

or am i thinkin of a diff guide 🤔

[ebon mica]

It also shows 40 Necrotic Damage while it should be 30 if I understand correctly what I see game data. You should ask devs though, I might be wrong.

[swift steppe]

I am not sure if it's good or bad. I am playing the normal crit multi torment warlock.

[late tulip]

Anyone got a good minion build

[trail citrus]

hows the damage scaling after empowered monos?

[swift steppe]

I am playing on 600c

fast clearing speed

[crisp ridge]

i checked one that i think was from him as i wanted to see what others had cooked, and it seemed really bad ngl

[obtuse quest]

Easier to build defenses for, technically

[warm rapids]

hi. but how can i caculate my mage dps?

i mean skeleton mage

[crisp ridge]

check how hard he hits, check how quick he hits 🤷‍♂️

[swift steppe]

Not sure how to calculate the total dps for the entire duration of fissure but the number can go up to 92k by spamming rip blood.

[obtuse quest]

Letools is your only friend for this

[thin knot]

could someone tell me which one is better? the stats on the left seem better but the right seems to do more damage in use?

[swift steppe]

Are you playing the one in maxroll? The left one is better. If not, it depends what you're playing.

[obtuse quest]

Napkin calculations say that the left is just slightly better.

[marble palm]

Single minion builds are best but just play whatever you enjoy most. In an ARPG you’re going to be doing the same things over and over so better to have a build you enjoy than a better build.

[thin knot]

Yep, Im playing the tormented warlock build on maxroll

ok Im gonna stick with the left, do I just trash the one on the right or is it possible to redo it to be better?

[marble palm]

Right one has more flat damage though which I would have thought is better

[swift steppe]

you can use it for 1LP fodder with the new woven echo. So if you have 2 failed 1 LP's you can sacrifice the other to reset one of them.

[marble palm]

Not much more to be fair

[thin knot]

Thanks!

[obtuse quest]

Adding all the affixes up it only has like 5 flat more.

[marble palm]

Yes, I commented on that already

Saying it’s not much more

[thin knot]

they both in play feel about the same so Ill just stick with the left

its been serving me well so far!

[crisp ridge]

use one whilst the other is being egg'd 😂

[tropic willow]

How's warlock this season acolyte enjoyers? Is the class squishy ?

[thin knot]

this is my first time playing and only had problems with res early on but I was able to mitigate it as I got more gear.

[obtuse quest]

Effectively unchanged from last season.

[thin knot]

its been fun!

[tropic willow]

Not a fan of copying build guides however I checked max roll and there are no warlock in tierlist so I thought it got clapped

[obtuse quest]

Maxroll tier’s are for 1k or higher c which is what most people won’t reach most likely

If you just wana reach uberroth a lot more builds are possible

[pearl snow]

This Witchfire relic is going to end me. Nearly 90 and not in sight

[thin knot]

Id be happy if I can just get to 100 with this alt since im just having fun with it

[tropic willow]

If it's uber viable I'm Good

[glass shale]

Minion friends how gud crab

i want crab but need know if crab gud

[obtuse quest]

Meatshield at best

[glass shale]

sadge

i want crab army

[unkempt saddle]

If you’re CoF I highly recommend doing prophecies for relics. I got plenty of them and was using relic/only monolith/more cost double reward lenses

[obtuse quest]

Reaching him, not nesscary KILLING him. Mostly because he’s an actual ass to fight.

[glass shale]

also that icon is not a crab

im mad its scorpion

where do i complain about that

[pearl snow]

Yeah I am, just getting very unlucky

[obtuse quest]

#1210282176680169562

[glass shale]

Plz fellow crab enjoyers hit the thumbs up #1217111039858966608 message

[obtuse quest]

Sorry crab ring is just a movespeed stat stick for me-

[pearl snow]

One must crab

[glass shale]

crab disagrees and is ready to kill everything

[obtuse quest]

Let’s see if he survives a claw from lagon-

[glass shale]

Look at it go

[glass shale]

Im gonna turn this crab ring into the best crab ring ever

[frosty herald]

stupid question does that minion damage snapshot?

[pearl snow]

🦀

[frosty herald]

refering to this

[obtuse quest]

If you summoned the minion while the buff is up, yes if we’re following usual snapshot rules

[glass shale]

Feel like snapshot is such a jank system

having to change gear around just to have the best minions

[obtuse quest]

It is.

[glass shale]

Have they said anything about removing it or changing it ?

devs and whatnot

[obtuse quest]

Devs know. They plan to fix it eventually

[frosty herald]

i would like the snapshot to be like permanent

[obtuse quest]

But for now it’s in the side lines.

[crisp ridge]

pls no

[glass shale]

Minion builds defnitly seem more jank then other builds right now

[frosty herald]

how i know an item can drop with wraith level

i think i wasted these on the wrong items

[glass shale]

U check if the base item can have that affix i guess

also check if its the right prefix or suffix

[noble arch]

I'm having a decent time with my necro in early mono's atm. But i also just overwhelm things witj numbers

9 archers, 5 mages and deathchill golem

[karmic helm]

same here lol

[noble arch]

Right now figuring the endgame gearing tho. I've two items locked in, potentially three if i go ward based

[frosty herald]

early monolith almost every build can do them

once you reach harbringer and empoered then you gonn see struggle

[noble arch]

That's what i am preparing for right now

[frosty herald]

i think this is the last time i am doing circle of fortune

i love it but goddam sometimes is frustrating

[karmic helm]

I got a huge reality check when entering the soulfire bastion I feel like glass cannon

[noble arch]

I'm very sure it's still doable with minions, but i'm also not neglecting my defences

[karmic helm]

yea same here but i feel like i have to always stay on edge if even i get hit with one thing

[noble arch]

I'm really thinking about going ward basez on health with that chestpiece that converts health into ward

[obtuse quest]

Soulfire is effectively the dps check dungeon. You cannot tank anything there.

One mistank or one whiffed shield can be your death.

[karmic helm]

ok good to hear that I feel a little better now lol

[obtuse quest]

Even mega tank builds can barely take hits there lmao

[karmic helm]

ok good lol that makes me feel better cause after I died twice I was rethinking me life at that moment 🥲

[obtuse quest]

If you fought the boss you’ll know how much of a glass cannon he is lmao

[frosty herald]

man i am so sad for wasting my +4 wraith on the wrong chest piece

[obtuse quest]

My condolences

[frosty herald]

i keep wondering if essangunious would be better

[obtuse quest]

Exsang would require you to pivot to int and retention stacking so-

Mileage may vary moment tbh

[noble arch]

Can set affixes be sealed?

[obtuse quest]

Yes. Seal them with your own two hands.

[noble arch]

Is that a yes and you're also being funny? 😛

[obtuse quest]

Yes, craft them on and the glyph of despair it.

Manually seal it is what I meant

[noble arch]

Ta, just want to make sure i can trust the tool

[obtuse quest]

(Yes I was playing it up)

[noble arch]

Ooop, gonna have to choose between reach of the grave or an isadora affixed wand

Pebbles if i make my cold resists the lowest would be a massive flat +42 to all minion attacks

[lament kernel]

guys how much armor should a necro has?

[crisp ridge]

build dependent

[noble arch]

So this is sorta baseline what i'm thinking. Wand is either that for the big flat bonus from pebbles set, or the unique wand. I know i'm being optimistic about the t7's, it's just sorta what i'd like. Idol slots will mainly be minion, ward and health.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjWWZY5o

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (28) / Necromancer (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,127, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 114.81, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 151%, Regen: 136/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 35 Int / 1 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 83% / 86% / 65% / 65% / 76% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 425
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (116)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (743)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade / Bone Curse

[lament kernel]

im fully minion big army and i have 792 right now... its just 24%...is that ok? 🤷‍♀️

[noble arch]

That's pretty common i'd say for necro

[lament kernel]

ok thank you 😊

[crisp ridge]

it rly depends on ur other defensive layers and where you are upto in the game

[noble arch]

Also, ward i've no idea how to calculate in the tool

[lament kernel]

im at 200 corruption kinda and my res are between 30% and 75% all over the place 😇 and i have over 4.000 life

[obtuse quest]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

[obtuse quest]

Okay that’s a lot of hp

[noble arch]

Ta!

[lament kernel]

i kinda focused on items with hp and hp% and both 😅

[crisp ridge]

has better stats than my 400corr 👀

[lament kernel]

so seems like i dont need to look for more hp then 😇

[strange plank]

morning all

[obtuse quest]

Yeah tbf 4k hp is a LOT for a necro

[noble arch]

oop, i completely overlooked minion resists

[obtuse quest]

There’s a necro passive that gives a decent chunk of minion all res

[lament kernel]

which one? 🙀

[noble arch]

Yeah. 2% per point

Cling to life

[lament kernel]

oh i have that maxed 😅

[noble arch]

Vitality for you and resists to minions

[lament kernel]

and ride to death or so with 30% elemental minion res 😇

yeah i took that for more vitality 😇

[noble arch]

Ride to death is only for you as i read it

The minion part is a damage buff

[lament kernel]

rite of undeath my bad

[obtuse quest]

Only for you

[lament kernel]

but it says minion?

[noble arch]

It's a two part effect

[lament kernel]

oh elemental damage it is 😅

yeah ok well thats because i have lots of fire minions 😇

[glass sigil]

Hi, anyone try to build wandering spirit ?

[obtuse quest]

How much truth do you want?

[glass shale]

Which would yall go with out of these 2

[autumn mango]

Is my wraith lord supposed to kill my skeletons

[crisp ridge]

yes

it consumes non-wraiths

[obtuse quest]

Yes. It eats every non-wraith minions.

Hilariously there was a bug back then that also ate ally minions that aren’t wraiths.

[obtuse quest]

Right, double right if low life ward.

[glass shale]

wdym by low life ward

Also would left be good if the % health was t5

[obtuse quest]

Exsangus or however you spell that unique body armour that eats your health for ward.

[haughty token]

Is there a website to calculate the final damage of a skill for a specific build ?

[obtuse quest]

Not really, it still wouldn’t match up imo

[glass shale]

sadge

why would that be ?

cuz of the high int ?

[obtuse quest]

Gotta pen and paper it. Letools helps you combine your %s in planners if you need it.

[obtuse quest]

Double health and the int.

[glass shale]

ic ic ty

[haughty token]

The pen is gonna be hurtful

[noble arch]

Am i thinking wrong here. But would the minor weaver idols with 7-10% ward retention and 7-10 ward per second outperform stout weaver idol. Or would the loss of cold pen be to big?

If i remember right, cold pen only is effective up to a certain point right

[obtuse quest]

Depends on how much cold pen you already have

[noble arch]

If i rework some of the planned affixes, i'd have 46% from lichs scorn.

And that i can probably easily get hight if i focus more on int

[obtuse quest]

If it’s less than 5% cold pen from the idol it’s possibly a worthy trade for defense.

[noble arch]

It's 4-6% from idol it can roll

And small idols would solve two issues, minion resists and ward

[glass shale]

Did u mean this one

[obtuse quest]

6% would be a bit debatable to give up per slot, but 5 or lower is probably okay

[noble arch]

I'm using this one

[obtuse quest]

This is it’s younger brother, but yes, that effect.

[noble arch]

I'm currently working to build around it for my defences

[glass shale]

Would i even use that over something like this ?

[crisp ridge]

depends if ur playig lowlife or not

[knotty hound]

Good for minions ?

[ashen tree]

I think I wasted a 119% necrotic damage affix. 1% off perfect.

[obtuse quest]

Decent if you can chaos away the ele damage affix

[glass shale]

Could craft it to become pretty good

[glass shale]

Not really focusing on it

[obtuse quest]

This one is better for offense. Exsang and it’s little brother is made to solve defense

[glass shale]

Guess il swap if i keep getting oneshot or something

[noble arch]

So 2-3 with 6% would be ideal then

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[ashen tree]

Does crit chance work like it does in poe where the weapon has local crit chance, or is it universal? Like +25% crit chance would just give 25% or weapon base x0.25?

[glass shale]

pretty sure like poe

[obtuse quest]

Le doesn’t have local stats.

But %+ crit chance is different from %+ increased crit chance.

[ashen tree]

Oh we probably have a base crit value as a character then I forgot that possibility

[crisp ridge]

5%

[obtuse quest]

Yup.

[ashen tree]

Okay, thanks

[ashen tree]

Yeah, so the relic roll that gives +1% crit chance is just straight up adding 1% while % increased crit chance is scaling based on the base.

[lament kernel]

does sweeping strike node in skeleton skill tree works for archers? 🤔

[ashen tree]

Kzb you put in OT in this chat lol

Kinda the goat

In the moment, this felt great.

In hindsight, it was probably really wasteful.

[obtuse quest]

Base and any add flat yes

[obtuse quest]

No

[ashen tree]

What's AoD and why's it suck offensively

[obtuse quest]

[ashen tree]

Correct

[obtuse quest]

To be fair I camp this chat lmao

[lament kernel]

aww but thank you ^^

[obtuse quest]

Aura of Decay. Do you want to me rant about it again-

[ashen tree]

It's still an upgrade for now but overall, I'm cringing

[ashen tree]

That's up to you, just didn't know what it was haha

[cobalt merlin]

I must of ask about it lmao im pretty new and also using it. Whats wrong with it?

[obtuse quest]

It’s Lich’s 5 pointer skill that makes an poisonous aura of death. It godamn sucks to build around.

[obtuse quest]

1. It’s the only thing in the game where self-inflicted ailments scale with your stats. Guess what that means.

2. It only has int as a scaling tag. It’s not even a godamn spell.

3. It’s converts’ kills you even faster than it’s default mode.

[ashen tree]

💀

[obtuse quest]

4. Doesn’t even take 1:1 of your poison chance. It’s 1:0.25. ( this also affects self-inflicts)

The themeing? Actually decently cool. Usage wise? I want my sanity back.

[haughty token]

Are all sort of damage multiplicative ? Like if I have a fire DoT. Does +100% fire damage and +100% Doqt damage result in +200% or +300% ?

[obtuse quest]

If it’s % increased, added together. If it’s % more, multiplied.

[haughty token]

Thx

[noble arch]

Welp, i think i'll go for this for a start, bit optimistic maybe but looks decent.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QW55LXEo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (27) / Necromancer (85)

General:

▸ Health: 2,369, Regen: 24.8/s
▸ Mana: 114.81, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 205%, Regen: 216/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 45 Int / 1 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 89% / 92% / 85% / 85% / 96% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 474
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (116)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (743)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade / Bone Curse

[noble arch]

Roughly 40% minion resists across the board, decent enough defences for me

[ashen tree]

where can i look to find some warlock ideas

[obtuse quest]

If you want the big brother version of the body armour: https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMwRgo

[twilit patrol]

Is Necromancer minion build good this season?

[obtuse quest]

Technically, here or letools

[noble arch]

Oh yeah, cheers

[obtuse quest]

Unchanged from last season. Still good.

[noble arch]

How does it look on paper, reasonable?

[ashen tree]

is torment the best thing to be doing? its all i see on ladder

[tropic bobcat]

Do you guys see any glaring mistakes or easy upgrades I could target?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omdd4YnB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (70) / Warlock (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,239, Regen: 10.14/s
▸ Mana: 106.93, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 132%, Regen: 18/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 66 Int / 7 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 86% / 62% / 91% / 102% / 56% / 39%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 248
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (156)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,126)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 44%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Bone Curse / Death Seal / Rip Blood / Transplant

[obtuse quest]

Looks okay.
Also if you want to all in to low life ward: https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcEZwViA

[noble arch]

Oooh, ty!

I forgot about those

Those have a lot of MS as well

[obtuse quest]

Hp too low, what IS your damage skill?

[tropic bobcat]

Death seal in reaper form. Blood rip to leech

[crisp ridge]

death seal has hella downtime tho?

[tropic bobcat]

Few seconds

[noble arch]

Those with a perfect roll would put me at 5k ward, so that's nice

[obtuse quest]

So you’re relying on death seal’s death wave to do all your damage?

[leaden hill]

is lich the best build this season for acolyte?

[obtuse quest]

No that’s still a fight between warlock and necromancer.

[leaden hill]

oh there's a lock build that's good?

[crisp ridge]

from ur knowledge and views(iirc ur not even acolyte lmao) what order are the currently acolyte builds?

[obtuse quest]

Torment is as good as ever. Crit chaos bolts is still at the top.

[pearl jewel]

heyo, anyone else running a big summons necro build?

[haughty token]

Witchfire is kinda crazy, literally walking and killing things

[obtuse quest]

This season?
Abom necro =~ crit chaos bolts warlock > wraithlord necro=~ torment/witchfire warlock =~ stygian coal lich > archmage skeletal mages > Harvest Lich > everything else under acolyte is my take.

Unsure: pure witchfire warlock, infernal shade crit lich

[haughty token]

I'm trying to pull out a infernal shade explosion build

[obtuse quest]

WF effectively is slapped inside torment currently lmao

[obtuse quest]

Going to have to be a bit more specific.

[pearl jewel]

lots of minions

like, mage, warrior, golem, wraith

[noble arch]

That's the standard i'd say

[pearl jewel]

all at once

[obtuse quest]

That’s under army necro.

[noble arch]

I run army necro, just no wraith

[obtuse quest]

A few people here are running it but no high corruption players

[noble arch]

Going to see if i can make it work in high corruption

[obtuse quest]

Best of luck. o7

[crisp ridge]

solid solid. tyvm

[noble arch]

Ta, it's honestly going to be hard/nigh impossible

[pearl jewel]

mostly for levelling atm

[obtuse quest]

My opinions are full of salt, I’m not that high of a corruption player lmao

[pearl jewel]

i can change at higher level, i'm just wondering really if folks prefer archers rogues or warriors for the main skelly

[obtuse quest]

Almost everything works for the campaign

[obtuse quest]

Ideally: none of them

[noble arch]

But if i can make it runn 300 corruption i'm happy about that as well

[crisp ridge]

thats fine, i honestly didnt know crit CB was a build

[noble arch]

Having a braindead solo farmer is always nice

[obtuse quest]

300c is probably possible with enough player skill tbh

[crisp ridge]

but i did my witchfire build n now im just trying things

[pearl jewel]

are you implying the primary skeleton summon is no good?

[obtuse quest]

Later on, it’s only great as fodder or meatshields. Rogues have a niche use in a build that is about them but otherwise…

[noble arch]

They also lack any flat damage to build damage off in their trees

It's all % damage increases

Skeletal mages by contrasts has a node that gives them 15 flat spell damage. Which might seem low at first

But that's before accounting increased and more minion damage

I am sort of tempted to try archmage death knight at some point

And buff it with all for one

[pearl jewel]

so, you need items that give skeleton summons flat damage

for example, i've got an item with a +3 minion bow damage

[obtuse quest]

Problem: other minions ALSO can get that flat damage. There's no exclusive stat for them that makes them better than others.

[pearl jewel]

so, by using an item to get bow damage, i might be nerfing myself by not getting minion spell damage?

[obtuse quest]

If you need a LOT of minions to be meat shields, fodders, or just debuff application, then they are indeed your best bet. But relying on them for damage is... not really worth the trouble.

[noble arch]

This, my damage output became good once i hit a critical mass of minions

[obtuse quest]

Generic minion flat affixes buffs two of the 3 minion types, so it's kinda an opportunity cost deal.

[noble arch]

You need a lot of minions of them to really be effective

[pearl jewel]

i'm currently rocking 7 archers, soon to be 8

[haughty token]

Ofc its slapped into torment cause the nodes and the game plan are kinda the same but the damage is mainly WF and not torment. Actually, your using the torment build only for ignite and damned chance and not really for the damage

[noble arch]

The archers defo feel to be on the weaker end now tho

[pearl jewel]

1 uber mage, and i haven't unlocked the skill tree for the aboms or wraiths yet

[obtuse quest]

You can technically play witchfire WITHOUT taking any of the torment related nodes, which makes it at best 3rd damage. Those that claim torment in their wf builds make it their bossing sub dps.

[pearl jewel]

so, maybe change the arhers to warriors or rogues, get more meathshield and/or the flask debuff thing

[obtuse quest]

Pretty much.

If you want to make rogues do damage, there's a unique that can do that.

[pearl jewel]

the bulk of my dmg for bosses comes from the wraiths

pity i can't get a damage meter break down

[noble arch]

You think archmage deathknight could work Kzb?

[frosty herald]

i realy want to see some streamer do uber aberoth as minions

not aberation or i will cry

[noble arch]

Army necro might be rough if minions supposedly die as easy as said in higher corr

[frosty herald]

i did the fight twice now with wraithlord and i barely am surviving

is a hard fight

[noble arch]

There's probably a way to do it

[frosty herald]

yeah definetly with better gear

and blessings

mine are still kinda sucky

[obtuse quest]

Other than the melee minion issue, probably? Less aoe tho.

[obtuse quest]

Uberroth as non-solo minion seems to be near impossible because there's way too many aoes to minion command to.

Wraithlord is most likely possible with enough gear and player skill.

[crisp ridge]

how does wraithlord sustain itself?

[obtuse quest]

Minion leech, necro has a passive node for it.

[humble goblet]

what is the highest damage wraithlord can do on 100 corruption?