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[junior oyster]

But I have seen some village houses built like these Churches

[jovial bane]

So maybe it was technological issue. But it was the period when they've started using a lot of stone for churches and castles

Or, just my guess. Or maybe they wanted it to look a bit humble on the outside, because it's a place of worship.

But then there is the pisa cathedral built in that style

[mental talon]

OH SHIT

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3907351

[abstract karma]

f.. not again 😄

[fierce moth]

I understand why discord nitro and 3a games are quite cheap for many people now 🤔

Zero concept for income from developed countries :(

[junior oyster]

Skip for me but those who enjoy can enjoy

[abstract karma]

or screw money and make indie game which later makes milions

[jade jackal]

Most people in developed countries absolutely dont make 60-100 dollars an hour, and those that do not work full time unless executive

Like, getting a feel for western salaries is correct, as long as it paints a good picture and not some twisted one

no pun intended

Usually jobs that pay this much for artists are a single day to multiple day, one time gig

[jovial bane]

I wouldn't call Discord Nitro cheap. It used to be at ~4€ a month for me, but because I've never canceled I'm still charged the old price. Now it's like 10 per month

[fierce moth]

yes, 9.99Eur

[abstract karma]

well its funny but free rewards for a few hours of lvl grinding is nothing

[abstract karma]

in mine country its close to montly streams subscriptions but having it too much makes too much montly money..

[fierce moth]

Just did a bit maths, if someone can get $60/h, it mean this guy can get $110k/year

[jovial bane]

same, and considering what nitro gets you ...

[fierce moth]

It's the level of free to play any latest games

🤔 I wonder how Americans give their taxes... They can't get $110k per year if it's all of income

[jovial bane]

Ironically amazon prime in my country is still really cheap. They've raised the price to 16 eur ... per year

[fierce moth]

Oh there's a hole maybe. Many companies maybe use the salary before taxes to attract people

[jovial bane]

I think it's, because they did not manage to break the hold of local equivalent of ebay on the market.

[gilded elm]

We have federal and state income taxes (most states, not all). We use a pay-as-you-go tax system with marginal income brackets: https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-income-tax-rates-and-brackets

[abstract karma]

well amazon can afford it.. they make tons by eshop

[jovial bane]

I actually don't think they do that much over here. That's why they keep the price low. Especially considering their competitor price is similar but it's just free delivery stuff. So no prime videos

[ebon meadow]

u beat me to it , i m actually exited for old content

[gilded elm]

For a salaried person, this is not really a consideration. More money is more money, even if that means paying more taxes. You still make more money than a lower salary with lower taxes.

[ebon meadow]

i dont know why they dont keep them perm in PLs

[fierce moth]

🫡 If you can get $60/h, work 28 days per month and 8h per day:

[abstract karma]

• tax - living - food you buy more than fro living )

[ebon meadow]

i have got that paid once in my life and for a privete job xdd

nothing dodgy just unloading a truck on a sunday for very ritch people

[jovial bane]

makes sense

[gilded elm]

It would be more money, because that's not how marginal taxes work.

[jovial bane]

I think contract jobs are paid unusually high per hour, because you hire the person for couple of days at most

[ebon meadow]

yes it is speatilly for something like building

but normal pay per hour here is 8 euros , high is like 12-14

and 8 unfortanly is what u should get but you stick with 6

my highest not privet for a company like Leroy Merlin is 16 euros an hour and that is after 8 pm and on holidays

[jovial bane]

Night shift on holidays ? That's ~triple the usual wage then ?

[ebon meadow]

yea its night hours + holiday hours

[sudden anchor]

you uys are ettin triple on olidays? i just et 150%

[ebon meadow]

16 euros an hour

it is nothing the benefits comes from extra hours a lot and also the shares of the company witch as employee u can invest in

every 6 month theres an extra depends on what u earn localy and u can rather get shares or u can get money

[jovial bane]

nah, 200%, but also night shift bonus. Apparently over here it's just +20%, so total would be 220%

I just wrongly assumed night shift was paid more, but if it was overtime it could add up to triple

[ebon meadow]

yea night hours are doubled but the thing with holidays night shifts here is if its not national and local u dont actually get the bonus

[jovial bane]

basically wage buff stacking

[ebon meadow]

Spain is split in comunities witch has separate holidays

[ebon meadow]

yep

literaly is

thats why a lot of people here if they can they get a survelice job if they can

[gilded elm]

Today is MLK Jr day, got excited thinking it was going to be a day off... but nope. Our company is a bit stingy with company holidays lol

[ebon meadow]

it is weird to have to have colors for diferent tipe of holidays depending on working calendar whre u live

i have national , regional and local

national and regional u dont work local depending on where u work firm can pick if they want to open or not

sometimes regional fall in to same

[jovial bane]

that's definitely unusual

[ebon meadow]

well we have a loooooot of holiday

we usually dont complain xdd

Spain dont like to work much if we can avoided xd its a hard truth

anyone realistic from south can defenly confirm i m sorry ❤️

i still ive here nd i love it but holy work wise this country is slow

[sand wigeon]

i hate holidays so much

like no no days off i need to afford rent

i need things to be open so i can do errands

[gilded elm]

lol this is Pirate Software's game jam

[warped wren]

what a shock

[jade jackal]

I have so much to say, but that speaks for itself, yeah

[desert jasper]

Yeah not even remotely surprised

[junior stirrup]

Is that the first second generation game jam?

[desert jasper]

Also, Phrecia again? Guess I'll just lvl tp 50 again

[desert jasper]

You know it
He also never brings it up but somehow talks about it constantly

[junior stirrup]

I still have to finish up my Kirac's Pass and have like 7 challenges. I wonder if I should do that in league or play a bit of LoP.

[warped wren]

just like him having worked at Blizzard

[desert jasper]

Yes, that is what I was referring to

[desert jasper]

I hit 36 challenges and also got my first lvl 100 this league
Probably never doing that grind again tbh

Not sure what I'll play in phrecia
Guess it doesn't really matter if I'm just going for lvl 50

[ebon meadow]

yo gtratz on the level 100 though

that is a grind

i m still stuck on 98 93% xdd

i have dedication playin games just not so much bashing my head to 1 shots sometime lah

lag , bad mods what ever sometimes life is unfair in games i gues

[desert jasper]

Hit the lvl 100 a bit over a month ago
It was honestly pretty smooth sailing after i stopped doing ultimatum
Still died 3 times at 99, once without the exp preserve omen

[ebon meadow]

geniune question , does it feels like 3 days out of bottle of xp ? ripping at 99

and like actually xp farming

without group or services

i m guessing u did it solo to

[desert jasper]

Nah I was getting like 10% in an hour

But could run almost any map as long as it wasn't reduced block or no regen

[junior stirrup]

I did most of my 100s organically, with a metric duckton of breachstones and beachheads.

[ebon meadow]

slight nerf but yea doable

[junior stirrup]

I had spreadsheets tracking my progress and charting XP vs. time a zone took against the cost per XP.

[ebon meadow]

legion before nerf was very good to

[desert jasper]

I couldn't bother doing that
my build couldn't do legion

[ebon meadow]

i still do safehoses and delve for myu xp

[junior stirrup]

Prices are in ex, that should say something about the era 😄

[ebon meadow]

thats a pretty spredsheet pog

we like those

[desert jasper]

so just yesterday

[ebon meadow]

those xp numbers music to my eyes

breach is very fun just on base

even if i dont play it anymore but delve is still my favorite mechanic

[desert jasper]

Tbh before I started the 99-100 grind I googled a bit how long it takes
and found an old reddit thread from when shaper & elder were still the end bosses
someone saying it took him like 600 tier 16 strands to 100

But ofc the maps these days offer way more exp

[junior stirrup]

This was back when I really went ham on 40/40/100. I've chilled down since, as it was a bit detrimental to life and all.

[ebon meadow]

its also the side mechanics that u stack along those maps and iside those maps

before we just got masters in map with a mission xdd

fkn Kata ptsd running all over

we got masters inside map that is it for the map nothing else apart from the boss of the map

[desert jasper]

Well yes.. the side content provides exp
obviously i did mean all the side content

Also I don't think the kata missions were too bad
but Vorici? hated that

[desert jasper]

Yeah I could see how

[ebon meadow]

vorici would wipe u face in maps

[junior stirrup]

Recursive Zana was always fun.

[junior stirrup]

Kick. Those. Chests.

[ebon meadow]

that is literal definition of u cant read the mods on map

crit u screwed , 2 eles u screwed

maaan

reflect hello Ziz

[desert jasper]

I miss Zana

[ebon meadow]

its the red Zana we miss

the one that bubbled us

[fierce moth]

? Van?

Have some free time today, I can go back to do some painting

[gilded elm]

Time to fail miserably at WWM again

[warped wren]

I love this guy's skits: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTsnhkHkT3L/?igsh=djcyb3ZwYTNzaG5h

[fierce moth]

lol companies just want our money. sigh

The last moment remind me of youtube mobile

From eemmbbeerr#5287

lol vaal temple theme frosting biscuit? Very cool.

[desert jasper]

Think that's gingerbread

[junior oyster]

There is a bit of noughts and crosses in that lol

[fierce moth]

Hah almost forget I owns 2 mini treasure books 😅

Quite useful to give help on building blocks (one of steps in workflow of game environment art) :)

[fierce moth]

Lol searched my purchased history, they're purchased in June 2022 and December 2022

Make sense, that year is the beginning of learning architectures in a systematic way and I'm ultra interested in learning that

But uber physic exams for becoming an architect stroke me to the abyssal later (Endless exams + maths/physic black holes + Chinese architecture industry is under the sunset)

Zero gift for calculating data by formulas (mechanics) in my brain, but mechanic is what I must pass in exams.

[fierce moth]

oh?! The author is on linkedin

[jovial bane]

mechanic ? oof, good luck

definitely hardest course I ever had

[fierce moth]

lol

I gave it up for a long time already

The tricky point is I must self-taught mechanic. Damn I can't do that in this subject unfortunately

[fierce moth]

It's come from the experience about improving my education level. From Associate Degree to Bachelor.

Context: People who owns bachelor degree are overwhelming so Chinese market is quite strict on education background.

The mode of this process is you must self-taught all lessons need to learn from the major you chose. Then you go to different high schools to take adult exams. You must pass all lessons with 60+ (100 is the max score) in the exam. Mechanic is one of lessons in engineering management.

Context: Engineering management is the only available major close to being an architect the most while I chose my major.

I'm failed in this process because many lessons require I remember things quickly and consistently but I just can't understand these knowledge. I must repeat them by my memory instead of my understandings.

Context: These lessons are big blocks because I hate I must repeat them by my memory instead of my understandings because I must pass exams.

(A decision I made is I will never take any exams for living after that experience because I know it just buff depression/negative mood, zero gift is zero gift. I should focus on my gift instead of wasting time on dealing something I'm bad at)

You can think architectural education in China for industrial production (solve actual problems in life) more than aesthetic design (explore how to let a thing looks more beautiful)

Good things I got from always on the journey to take an exam? Perhaps it helped me to have a chance to do a mini city walk, aim at locations of different high schools. I learnt more bus routes/more shopping malls/more schools

[jovial bane]

ugh, that's awful because the way those are supposed to be solved is understanding the physics

I get why you hate them that much

[fierce moth]

All things you need to do are get high scores lol

[jovial bane]

One mechanics exam I had was kind of similar, lots of remembering the theory. But the other I've liked. I had a problem drawn and had to explain to the examinator how will I solve it. Basically write down the formula, and why those formula

[fierce moth]

For higher scores, you must get up early to catch up the bus to join in exams, you can't take a nap at the noon because no place available to lay down, you must accept lots of knowledges you don't know how are they make sense, you can't have any hobby in free time because it's shameful to waste time on entertainment/take a rest

[jovial bane]

yeah, that sucks

one thing I've appreciated about uni exams compared to say, statewide highschool exam was just talking to the professor when do we want to have it

[fierce moth]

I have to take a short nap during exams in the morning while I joined these exams because I didn't get enough sleep. My brain never be awaked completely during the exam lol

[jovial bane]

some we had to set up early, but we could still choose between 7 am-9 am

energy drinks were my staple

I had some powder, basically same as energy drink in satchel. We've joked around that exams are now entering the serious phase, because I'm taking "stimulants"

[fierce moth]

I has a habit that I must go to restroom after drunk some liquid for 15 mins. But the exam prohibit you to go outside before the exam is ended. So I can't follow this way 😂

[jovial bane]

ugh, yes that's a problem

Physics oral exam kind of traumatised me, but it was interesting in retrospect.
Professor sat us down, shown us a power transformer and asked us to explain to him why is it such an important invention

And how it works like

so what it is electricity, how do magnets work

everything

[fierce moth]

I can't understand why many people don't need to pee after away from restroom for 3h or more. My record is 1.5h

[jovial bane]

idk, slower metabolism maybe. Usually I have no issue drinking something small (300 ml) before 2 hour exam

I meant waiting plus exam time adding up to 2 hours

I don't remember how long my exams were tops. Over an hour for sure

[sudden anchor]

that seems pathological. You also lack sleep, because of this. Most young people can sleep through 8 hours, without peeing.

[fierce moth]

lol oh definitely. I can do that if I fall asleep but if I can't fall asleep... 0.5h-1h per pee

And! I must drink some water before I go to bed again

[junior stirrup]

I managed to get a pass in my Classical Mechanics course by promising the lecturer that I would never work in an engineering field where it mattered 😄

[jovial bane]

xD

[junior stirrup]

Took the course and somehow passed the exam while not having the prerequisite calculus courses.

[jovial bane]

Some classes were fun though. One class had a project instead of exam. Really fun one.

Basically Professor brought some broken plates, pipes and stuff like that. Said that those are from cases industry asked them to solve

[fierce moth]

calculus courses... That's what I learnt in senior high school lol

[jovial bane]

Cases are solved, but we are to do the same

[fierce moth]

Never can figure it out

[jovial bane]

We have access to microscope, photo setup and we will cut out samples

Now figure out why did it break

[junior stirrup]

I recently got some melatonin prescribed. Did wonders for my night sleep, including the wee breaks.

[jovial bane]

I was told calculis is harder than deriviatives for students. For some reason it was the opposite for me lol

[junior stirrup]

Derivatives are fine, fairly straightforward process regardless of function.
Integrals and PDEs stray far from that well of sanity, being way more vibes-based on what method might work for a particular problem structure.

Probably didn't help that I had years between the first and second calc courses, so everything was lost inbetween.

[jovial bane]

for some reason I've always forgot about something, or overlooked something when solving derivatives

working "from reverse" with calculus was easier, or maybe I just put more effort

[fierce moth]

Accompany with her and find something let her feel she's needed

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLku3aeqvr5x7tds3n5BBP3MkJh6B7zqfJ
Music can heal the heart.

I have been suicidal in 2023 and tried to suicide 2 times... Such a dark time.

After she felt she's needed, guide her to find what she want to do in the life. The direction is important because suicidal means she's lost, she can't find her direction to seek the light in the dark

I think a hobby or a happy thing your cousin must have. Something she can do that well and people praised that easily, but strong negative mood let her forget that. Find the memory back.

[jovial bane]

Also listening, at least personally I sometimes felt like nobody ever listened only judged. Advice can sometimes backfire, especially when someone is down bad.

[fierce moth]

...What a styled hall with church's format it's... But it's AI-GENERATED instead of thought by someone :(

Sci-fi, white marble, sunlight, golden edges, geometric decorations. All of them are dreamful elements I want...

[jovial bane]

for an AI it does not look bad

granted, the bar is on the ground

Personally I'm biased towards baroque in churches. But I think you might find them "too busy" @fierce moth

idk why this photo is so blurry

[fierce moth]

lol you know me

[jovial bane]

I mean, you've posted that pic above. That's clearly what you prefer more.

As in minimal decorations

[fierce moth]

I did a bit colour correction quickly to explore different vibes. I feel the original one lack of vibe and contrast.

Yellow: Royal, serious, holy, healing
Purple: Corrupted, evil, memory, disaster
Cyan: lab, secret, judgement, execution

I heard it's basic skills for a lightning artist. I hope I can learn some from ue5 one day

I only know a bit about global vibe light... Local lighting will more tricky

[jovial bane]

I think learning about lighting is generally better on irl examples

UE5 is great, but lighting is definitely what's the hardest to realistically simulate

[fierce moth]

learn light from the real life can be expensive lol

Fancy resturants usually good at lighting

Cheap option is sunlight only

[warped wren]

Is this an Italian church

[jovial bane]

I think it is

[jovial bane]

I mean pick photos over the digital made images

[junior oyster]

Lighting not lightning

[fierce moth]

It must very interesting if fancy restaurants can control lightning to provide lighting lol

[sand wigeon]

What.

[desert jasper]

The usual Kirra stuff

[sand wigeon]

yeah fair

[sudden anchor]

light this?

[gilded elm]

Man, AI has a long way to go for creative tasks lmao

That's awful

[sand wigeon]

ew

get that ai garbage out of here

[fierce moth]

See a therapist will help her to figure out this step more quickly if you can @sudden anchor

I can't afford that so I wasted more time to get an answer...Till I think what can I try else if I don't do voxel art anymore

[warped wren]

thank you for wasting a few pints of fresh water and generating some extra CO2 for an utterly pointless image

could have just poured it on the sidewalk and it would still have been a better use of it

[desert jasper]

Honestly, if she's willing to talk I'd listen
but maybe she'd need some activity.
some people also need like they have a purpose

who knows, really

[sudden anchor]

yea, I will forward hher to my therapist from my teenae years. Tey were free of cost, whhhichh was important to us. maybe tere are free ones were you are too? Not many people ere knew about the free stuff ere. check it out!

[fierce moth]

She's lucky to have you. Family members always can be the most warm friend.

I don't know how to express my emotion by my painting yet... I need to find a way

[sudden anchor]

she has adhd too. she likes me, so maybe we can build some foundation for a talk about it. with care.

[desert jasper]

Ah. yea
adhd can easily lead to that

[sand wigeon]

my tip is to not disparage their feelings

people with suicidal urges don't get helped by "people would miss you!"

they need actual real understanding

i am also a person who believes it is within a person's right to take their own life. stating that has helped some people i've spoken with feel more open about talking to me, just because they know that i don't criticize them or disparage them for feeling that way

[fierce moth]

lol yes I know no one miss me actually. They know too much but can do nothing, it's why they're painful

[sand wigeon]

i would say some other stuff but i think that could get me into hot water

so i'll leave it at that tip

aside from "sometimes there are very good reasons someone may want to take their life." not saying it applies to your situation or anything but i think that's an important message when spoken generally

[fierce moth]

Don't complain and find the own way to disgust the negative mood always with huge pain. I still exploring a way to do that peacefully

[sudden anchor]

I understand and appreciate it. For me I ad suicide as some kind of last failsave in mind, I can still do if everyting else fails.

[sand wigeon]

personally i just bottle everything up. i've heard that's effective /s

[desert jasper]

Well the thing is
your family will
but saying that isn't exactly the most effective thing when dealing with a person

[sand wigeon]

no

that's the exact mentality that causes problems

not everyone's family WILL miss them

not every family deserves to miss them

maybe the family will "miss" them, but also that same family could never have really cared about the person

[fierce moth]

My family just the most sharp blade to hurt me

[sand wigeon]

they just miss the idea they've lost, of having this person, not the person themself

maybe the family will miss them, but for the person whose taken their own life, their family is the cause and the pain

[twilit mountain]

^ This. That's what would happen with mine. They'd miss their constructed idea of who I am, not who I am as an individual person.

[sand wigeon]

and some people do not have family to miss them

like c'mon use your thinking cap

this stuff is not complicated

[desert jasper]

Well see
I don't really consider those people family in that case

[sand wigeon]

repeat my last statement

some do not have family

i get what you mean

[fierce moth]

Another day that wait to be judged by HR from EHG is gone :)

Happy with The 1st crystal chandelier I paint

[gilded elm]

Didn't you apply for a mid-level position? I think it's good to apply if you think there's even a small chance, but mid-level usually has a hard requirement for experience. There's an expectation that you've at least previously worked at an entry-level.

I know you like to create art, but that mid-level "Environment Concept Artist" requires proficiency (being an expert) in tools like Blender. I haven't really seen you showcase your skills using these tools and I don't think it's something they're going to teach you in a mid-level position.

[sand wigeon]

simple dinner for tonight

(there were veggies but that just sounded like too much food)

[gilded elm]

Solid meal

Ugh, falsely arrested once again. Since when was petty extortion a crime?!

[twilit mountain]

I love money

[sand wigeon]

i love it so much that people should give it to me because it makes me happy and i'm so adored and cute that everyone wants to make me happy (like hatsune miku)

[twilit mountain]

Performance killing really doesn't get much more efficient huh

[gilded elm]

Legendary Drops made a video on Hytale's success and actually managed to tell a very accurate origin story, starting with Microsoft acquiring Mojang and the stricter EULA enforcement that followed. Perfectly captures the sense of financial pressure Hypixel and other Minecraft server networks were feeling during that period: https://youtu.be/67Myik3kk5g

1.9k Hytale-related project repositories on GitHub in the short time since the game released into early access: https://github.com/search?q=hytale&type=repositories

This is the power of Java.

Finally, I may have a reason to dust off IntelliJ, after all these years.

[fierce moth]

Lots of reasons they can give if they just don't want this artist, yes

[placid yarrow]

IntelliJ is my favourite IDE tbh

I think it's for sure one of the reasons Java is the language I'm most comfortable with

[twilit mountain]

I tried to learn JS once. Which I am aware is not the same. Eventually the stuff I was using asked me to learn trig to continue and me being a 14 year old who didn't know how to express that I couldn't (and still can't) process numbers properly I just decided to have a mental breakdown and give up instead.

[placid yarrow]

I've never messed around with JS personally

but yeah sadly programming is a ton of math

[twilit mountain]

Unfortunately. That's the main reason I never get very far.

[gilded elm]

I don't think he's being serious? The vast majority of programming is not a lot of math haha

[placid yarrow]

Yeah nah the majority of code you write doesn't involve much math, but I would say math is an important part for sure

It also just depends what you're doing

I'd say stuff like trig is pretty common

[gilded elm]

Strong math skills probably gets you in the top 5%, but I'd say you can still be in the top 10% without strong skills in math, though you would need strong skills in binary (base-2 math)

[twilit mountain]

Hitting anything that's more complicated than putting together a couple two digit numbers or some nice round three digiters results in me shutting down

[placid yarrow]

I mean fair enough but it feels like nowadays the bottom 50% is like pure vibecoders or something lmao

[gilded elm]

It largely depends on your field, to be honest

[placid yarrow]

(by that I mean people who don't really know what they're even writing)

yea true

you can't get away with stuff like that everywhere of course

[gilded elm]

The kind of programmers that OpenAI and other AI companies are hiring? Yeah, strong math skills are a huge plus because there's a ton of math in machine learning and language model architecture.

But for like building your average app or website, the main thing is having good logical thinking.

[placid yarrow]

Discrete math and probability/statistics are ones that come up decently often I feel

Usually nothing too crazy though

[gilded elm]

Logic tends to be a strong substitute for math in most use cases. Turns out most problems can be solved less efficiently just by using a cruder, but logical approach.

[placid yarrow]

yea 100%

the further you try and optimize things the more math they involve it feels usually lol

[gilded elm]

Yup, absolutely lol

[placid yarrow]

You can brute force a lot of more complicated math by just doing a ton of conditionals and loops

[gilded elm]

Yeah and often that's usually more than good enough, especially with today's compute power.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it's honestly insane what you can get away with nowadays

[gilded elm]

I feel like I would have to study kinda hard to actually pass an algebra exam today. That's how little I feel I've had to use serious math in my job lol

Man, that's kind of depressing. I need to stay sharp.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I found that doing some simple projects that involve a decent amount of math has helped me

like something that only takes a few hours

It's kinda the main reason I did my graphs for LE lol

I also make some sims in java

like item drop sims

[gilded elm]

Yeah it was EVE Online for me. That's what kept my math skills in use, various spreadsheets for market stuff and also a ton of build planning. Come to think of it, ever since I stopped playing EVE, maybe I started getting dumber lol

[placid yarrow]

Like this one was decent fun and only took like an hour, it's for disintegrating aura hammer throw to see how much damage you get from increased aoe, it's a little messy but it's much simpler than it might seem

[twilit mountain]

I was lucky enough to have a very understanding math teacher when I went to school, dude didn't put a time pressure on me for any of the work, would walk me through everything I was struggling with step-by-step to ensure I could actually finish the day without issues. Bout the only good teacher I had.

[gilded elm]

I hate that kind of pressure. I actually think I'm okay working under pressure, just not when someone is right there exerting it with their presence. It feels so oppressive and I could totally see why trying to learn in that kind of environment would be difficult.

[placid yarrow]

I work part time as a tutor and shitty teachers feel like the #1 thing that makes people dislike and struggle in a subject

Stuff like weaver's will and legendary potential was more grunt work than actual math but had some kinda interesting stuff too

As you can tell I love my parenthesis

[twilit mountain]

Nah, didn't do it out of pressure. He did it so I wouldn't be struggling with grades or get punished by the school. I was the only person who really had that assistance consistently, I think he could see how much I was failing to actually understand the material.

[placid yarrow]

Finding when corruption stops scaling stuff was interesting

[gilded elm]

Oh I didn't mean your teacher. I just meant the kind of typical classroom pressure. It's great you had a teacher who actually cared enough to give you one-on-one time.

[twilit mountain]

Ohhhh, gotcha

Christ, Cyborg, I don't even know the starting point for these... things

[gilded elm]

Teaching seems like a very underappreciated job, so I understand why a lot of teachers end up being bad and I somehow doubt they go into the career wanting a cushy job (because from all accounts, it's not a cushy job). Still, sucks that a lot of teachers end up that way.

[placid yarrow]

It's kinda intuitive once you get the hang of it, it looks messy altogether but it's usually just an equation made up of like 3 simple parts put together that you rewrite and it just gets a little garbled in the process so it looks way messier

[twilit mountain]

very much underappreciated for most cases. If I could have personally paid the man even post-school I would have.

[fierce moth]

My parents will just kill me if my job is just stay at home (I'm rotted and lazy), communicate with foreigners in English (noisy and they think it's not real at all), stay late to work (I don't care my body and I should sleep), and paint something digital they don't know what the sense of that (waste time to draw something, no money they see I can get)

So the first step is move to a new place. Escape from their control at first :(

[placid yarrow]

It's always overwhelming when you try to understand something all at once, but most things can be broken down into very simple parts, and as long as you can keep track of each step you'll eventually reach the super complicated looking things

[twilit mountain]

Can't say post-grad, didn't make it that far, dropped out in my last year

[gilded elm]

Yep, gotta respect the teacher who is very likely underpaid but still puts the student's education before themselves.

A lot of teachers just do the bare minimum, maybe even most.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I've seen a lot of people who should be getting accommodations just be left ignored. So even though they'd do just fine if they for example were doing a personal project and needed to use the math they're learning. they struggle super hard at school because of lots of different artificial factors that only really exist inside of school

Like having someone with adhd be forced to try and concentrate in a room with loud and distracting people

[twilit mountain]

You called?

[gilded elm]

Independence sounds good. Moving into your own place and living on your own is a good thing to experience and perspective. To do this, you are looking for a job in your area?

[gilded elm]

Like every ADHD student ever lmao

[twilit mountain]

I had no glasses to boot, at least not until a few months before I left

[fierce moth]

I think it's great enough because no one will care if you're adhd or not in Chinese school. Depression and adhd like a joke for them, never need to act seriously

[gilded elm]

Instead of working with you, they just make a note next to your name and you end up in the councilor's office to be diagnosed with a mental disorder and then ignored.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah and sometimes when I'm tutoring someone like that it's like they're almost better than me at the math I'm helping them with, but at school there's just no way they can perform because they have 0 accommodations

[fierce moth]

The salary is pretty low and they don't want a newbie

[gilded elm]

What about retail or service jobs? Shops, restaurants, cafes. That kind of thing. Surely you can rent a small place to live in from those wages?

I don't know much about your economy, mind you.

[gilded elm]

Feedback is something that helps a lot for me, definitely. It's actually why I was able to get into programming at all when I first started out. I started out in web dev so having something that immediate visual feedback and seeing stuff in a browser change according to some lines of code I wrote was like a whole new world opening up. I think math is cool, but it's boring when there's no way to apply it meaningfully so having someone there to validate your work is great.

[fierce moth]

What the point of letting bosses in shops/restaurants/cafes to believe me I can do the job well? 🤔

[placid yarrow]

Yeah for sure that's one of the main things I try to do and so far I have yet to have someone not react positively

which just goes to show how little attention they must've been getting in school

[gilded elm]

Turns out a handful of people learn in completely different ways from everyone else, educational institutions apparently just don't care enough to do something about it.

[fierce moth]

Yes maths can be interesting if the teacher is talented enough to teach knowledge in this way. But my past issues about studying is I don't have friends in my class so no one I can ask for help

[gilded elm]

Are you asking why they would hire you? Because those are the jobs that require the least experience.

[fierce moth]

Yes... 😭

[gilded elm]

Everyone starts from somewhere.

Some people are born lucky, some are not so lucky, some are very unlucky. I think if you have internet, food, water and a place to sleep then you're probably above average on the luckiness scale ;)

[placid yarrow]

Jobs like that often require no education and 0 prior experience, they have no reason to believe in you less than anyone else applying

I used to work in a grocery store, honestly pretty solid

It's fairly chill all things considered

[gilded elm]

Me too. I used to be a bagger back when there was more of a market for that, then I actually worked as a cashier too.

Working as a cashier actually improves your math skills too.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I worked in a small neighbourhood one so everyone kinda did a little of everything

I've also worked in an outlet jewelry store during summers, started out just selling sunglasses and stuff but by the second year I was handling the gold and swapping watch batteries, these are the kinds of jobs where they hire you with 0 expectations and as you prove yourself to them they might give you additional responsibilities and pay

And at least for me the grocery store job was enough to pay rent and have food to eat

[fierce moth]

My lifting table need to be sold to start a new type of experience like that because I can't afford a room which big enough to place that

[placid yarrow]

Yeah I have no idea about the economy where you live

[gilded elm]

Becoming independent from your parents will inevitably require sacrifices, though.

I think it's a good experience if you can manage it.

You learn new things, adapt to a different lifestyle.

[placid yarrow]

Yeah you take a lot of things for granted living with parents tbh but for me it was very worthwile, not becasue I disliked my parents or anything they're amazing I just really enjoy having my own space

[gilded elm]

I didn't have the greatest relationship with my dad growing up (we're great now, though) but as soon as I moved out when I was 18, it didn't take long to appreciate what I lost haha

[placid yarrow]

For me it was mostly the fact that I could just kinda do whatever I wanted lmao

And the assurance that nobody would just randomly ask me for anything

I could plan and execute my days however I wanted without interference

[warped wren]

hating your parents while you're a teenager / in your twenties is basically a rite of passage, evolutionarily speaking

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's good to have that independent life experience as soon as possible tbh, at least immediately after college. Even if that means taking a low paying job just so you can afford your first apartment, the experience is valuable.

[placid yarrow]

I moved for college personally

[gilded elm]

Makes me wonder if it's actually at some level coded into our genetics lmao

[placid yarrow]

But it's way easier here than it is elsewhere to move out for college

[warped wren]

I got my first independence experience when I went for postgrad and had to stay in a dorm. Undergrad I was a day scholar

[warped wren]

it is, I wasn't being facetious

[gilded elm]

Oh, well damn haha

That is very cool to know.

[twilit mountain]

Hey, sometimes it's valid

[placid yarrow]

I'm guessing it's to encourage breaking away from the pack back in the day

[warped wren]

around ages 13-20-something, your sleep cycle changes. Adolescents naturally feel sleepy around 2 am and wake up around 9 am. This is distinct from adults who start feeling sleepy around 10 pm

from the hunter gatherer days, this was the time at which the tribe youngsters would try to go do their own thing, eventually sometimes splitting away to form new tribes

and the whole questioning authority is the neurological part of it

[gilded elm]

So whatever collection of genetic traits responsible for this social behavior just survived over millions of years and so human teenagers naturally rebel against their parents.

lmao

[warped wren]

because genetically speaking, we are wired to try doing things in different ways at that age, and if it succeeds then it becomes a new trait that goes into the genetic pool, and those who failed just died and got weeded out

[warped wren]

yep, it is an innate strength of the human race

kinda sad that the modern education system does its best to suppress it and calls in kids for classes at 7.30 am, which is the equivalent of having an adult report for a day shift at 3 am

[placid yarrow]

Yeah but then school starts at 7 am

[warped wren]

jinx

[placid yarrow]

I once had an exam at 6 am

literal crime against humanity

[gilded elm]

Kind of fascinating and yeah, it really is a "strength" when you look at it from the lens of evolution, since its existence is evidence of its contribution to the species' perseverance.

[placid yarrow]

(not actually literal)

[warped wren]

the problem is simply that schooling was institutionalized at a time when none of this research had been done, and it's not been significantly updated since then

[placid yarrow]

Sure felt like a crime when we were sitting in a super cold exam hall trying to remember chemistry at 6 am though

[warped wren]

yeah I hated reporting to school at 7.30, even though I didn't hate school or anything

I just hate early mornings

[placid yarrow]

same

[gilded elm]

So the modern parenting response to this innate behavior should in most cases just be embracing challenges to authority.

Is my guess.

As in, the right response.

[placid yarrow]

yeah you should be understanding

[warped wren]

"should" yes, but as my son hits toddler phase and screams his lungs out if I don't let him smash the PS5 remote, I can tell you that it's easier said than done

[placid yarrow]

To me it's the same as not getting annoyed at a baby crying

it's just something that'll happen

[warped wren]

fun fact, toddlers have 3x the hormones of teenagers (relatively speaking)

so they have REALLY BIG feelings

[gilded elm]

Hahaha

[placid yarrow]

No way who would've thunk

[warped wren]

and zero impulse control or, in the case of really young toddlers, no ability to verbally communicate those feelings either

[gilded elm]

Maybe not verbally, but who knows... maybe they're trying to tell you something with soiled diapers? lol

Something like, "This PS5 remote is mine, I will do whatever I damn well please with it"

[warped wren]

nah he either screams/cries or in rare cases throws something to express his anger

[placid yarrow]

Angy

[warped wren]

it's really funny because toddler emotions swing like crazy

he can go from full bellied laughter to crying and back within the span of a minute

[fierce moth]

Because the life will have to be changed, you must take your responsibility?

I'm in this period as you see

[warped wren]

I mean sure, that too, but mostly it's just that we're genetically wired to rebel against our parents and think they don't know shit

and sometimes they don't, about some things, and sometimes they do, about many things, and usually it's just a mix of the two

[fierce moth]

it's a pretty new angle for me

[warped wren]

my personal, expanded theory is we spend 10-15 years hating them / disagreeing with them, then the next 10-15 years understanding them, and then the rest of our lives trying to do better. This is of course assuming you have any self awareness whatsoever. If you don't, then you just stay in phase 1

xdd

[gilded elm]

The amount of people who seemingly never develop the capacity to look inward...

It's frightening.

[warped wren]

also IMO it's impossible to truly understand your parents until you yourself become a parent. And given that fewer and fewer people are choosing that path (for valid reasons), it's only going to become harder.

I can admit that fatherhood was a seismic shift in how I viewed my own childhood and my opinions on what my parents did or did not do

[fierce moth]

lol oh no... But I never want to become a mother

[warped wren]

to the point that one day while speaking to my dad I actually told him "Yeah I get it now"

[gilded elm]

I imagine there's the potential for this new perspective to have the opposite effect too, highlighting bad parenting decisions from your parents.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah idk. I have pretty major factors in the rifts with my parents, and they're not factors I can just ignore or get over. They either learn to accept those factors or they accept that I cannot have a relationship with them, no real way around it.

[fierce moth]

The dream mode is I can feed myself and give my parent "hush money" (so I can get personal time without dealing annoying family stuff and festival stuff)

[warped wren]

of course

goes both ways

I had an outwardly normal but inwardly omega messed up childhood that I legally cannot go into details about, but now I'm able to see very clearly how it affected me

so yeah there's a lot of regrets and resentment there, but I can also look back and see all the hundred tiny sacrifices and efforts they made to provide for me

and as an adult and a father myself now, I understand much, much better what those things cost them

[gilded elm]

Yep, I don't have the perspective myself yet, don't know if I ever will. I hope the scales did at least end up weighing towards the "good parents" side of things when viewed from the lens of that new understanding.

[warped wren]

yeah for the most part. Hard to stay mad or hold on to resentment when you understand the cost of living, for example

[fierce moth]

I think the logic, life of being parent will goes both ways can applied to the personality too.
Can you avoid mistakes your parents made?
Can you avoid bad habits your parents owns?
Can you avoid outdated mind your parents keep?

If I don't care, I will become the other people like my parents indeed

[gilded elm]

Being able to recognize the bad decisions your parents made also gives you the opportunity not to follow the same path, because you recognize it now.

[gilded elm]

I think in a lot of cases, if you are not a parent, then you don't always know what a parenting "mistake" really is. There's some things you just can't know unless you have their perspective.

[warped wren]

also parenting norms change over time, as do social norms, society itself, laws, crime rates, technology, etc.

e.g. my wife's parents literally NEVER let her go for an outstation trip with her friends or even let her spend a night out with them

ever

does she hate that? You bet, she's still mad about it a decade and a half later. Does she understand the decision, given r*pe statistics in India and with herself as a mother now? You bet.

on the other hand, my cousin has allowed her daughters to use her phone since they were, what, 3? 4 maybe? Whereas I don't intend to let my son touch anything more than a dumb phone till he's 18, because I know what a cesspool social media is

[gilded elm]

I feel parents generally do things in your best interest. Can't let them control you completely, but understanding their reasons for trying to control you is important IMO.

[warped wren]

which of these situations you classify as parenting mistakes and which you don't is very, very complicated

[gilded elm]

Also it's funny I say control. But really, I mean protect.

Parents try to protect. Children feel controlled.

[warped wren]

basically

protection is a form of control though tbf

largely benevolent control but that's just a line in the sand

[gilded elm]

Yeah I just mean how parents see it vs how children see it. I feel children don't see it as protection.

And that makes sense because children tend to lack that parental perspective.

[fierce moth]

The most annoying point is your parents still protect you with their mind which stay in 70s but challenges you meet are belong to AI era

[junior stirrup]

Reminds me of this video I saw a while ago, roleplaying that you go to an office to keep your parents happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VJLipgiuQ

[fierce moth]

different challenges in different eras

So I think I'm controlled

[warped wren]

you fight your battles with the weapons you have /shrug

[gilded elm]

AI is super overrated, btw. I honestly don't think your generation needs to worry too much about AI making your career more difficult.

[warped wren]

the specifics are different, sure, but humans are still humans and a lot of our fundamental problems are still the same as they were 100 years ago - putting food on the table, obtaining a sense of connection and community, trying to find personal fulfilment, managing health

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhh damn I want to find a "company" like that yes

[gilded elm]

Having a computer, access to internet, food, water, home already puts you ahead of most competition.

[fierce moth]

I see where these "how a CEO who get 1 million dollars a year spend a day" short videos come from now

Hah 😂 😂 😂 Too interesting... It's existing really. Genius idea!!!

I think I know where should I go when Chinese new year

👀 I'll take a visit and ask prices tomorrow

Fantastic

Maybe I can learn how to go to work from that place hhhhhhh

[fierce moth]

This culture sounds quite funny, right? 🤣

[junior stirrup]

I can see the logical steps that leads to such setups, especially against a baseline of the culture of saving face and maintaining an outward appearance.

[warped wren]

I think at that point I'd rather just try to get a job

[fierce moth]

That's a good platform to make friends I think

Local friends still pretty important

If you going to fake it, fake it to the end.

Realistic

[fierce moth]

It's lucky if you can't understand this type of culture and I hope less people understand that actually

The core of drama is tragedy

[warped wren]

classic east vs west

India has the same issues as China in that sense

too much focus on saving face and maintaining appearances

whereas the west is much more individualistic in general

both have their own problems tbh

[graceful pumice]

I'm looking for additional players for a D&D 5e campaign. I currently have 4 players and would like to add a few more. If you're interested, please DM me

[maiden widget]

Go into a big corporation and you'll enjoy the cesspit of people saving face and maintaining appearance over doing the right thing

[sudden anchor]

No Smartphone until he's 18? Your son will hate you and will make his kids understand social media instead of forbidding it in important teenage years. The cycle of resentment continues. I've heard 17 year olds with that mindset here. Quite smart imo. They were talking about ban of social media. Maybe your take is correct tho. Still time to flesh it out and times change - in 10 years.

[warped wren]

if the choice is between hating me and growing up without crippling social anxiety + unhinged attention deficit + inability to think critically + inability to digest long form content + poor writing skills + social maladjustment + any of the insane number of actual predatory behavior that can so, so easily happen on social media, I think I know what I'm gonna choose.

also I have no resentment with my parents re: social media because I'm too old for that, I didn't have internet till I was 13

[sudden anchor]

It's a scale. They should learn to think critically, true - about their social media usage, pros and dangers of sm aswell.

And if they figure it out how to balance social media usage, please keep me up to date, so I can fix my life haha

[gilded elm]

I miss life before social media. Certainly feels like it's been a net negative to society.

[jovial bane]

I'd definitely ban, or at least heavily restrict social media for my kid.

[warped wren]

children do not have the prefrontal cortex development to effectively balance things, barring genetic exceptions

executive function takes a relatively long time to develop

[gilded elm]

The more we curate our opinions through social media, the more we erode our ability to think critically IMO. And while social media is a fun way to connect and share experiences with other people, I don't think it contributes any inherent value beyond that, but the toll it exacts on society is very real and I question whether it's worth the price.

[jovial bane]

Pretty much all SM are variations of echo chambers. Especially when it comes to more volatile topics like politics. I hate it

[gilded elm]

That's just the nature of social media, every platform/network eventually finds its audience.

[jovial bane]

Yes, and if it was just the Internet it wouldn't be so bad. But it does affect real life sadly. And that's just one problem I have with SM out of ... several

[sudden anchor]

Yea, heavily restricting seems much better to me than to outright ban it. Or best case the kid has opportunities to enjoy its time better than sm. I always valued that in my childhood friend, who rather than playing videogames like me all day, pushed me outside. But with Smartphones it's much more dangerous through accessibilities, fomo...

[fierce moth]

......Jesus, pass out on bed for 3h

what a heavy topic I discussed at noon is

[desert jasper]

Yeah I wouldn't want my kid to be on social media either
or on twitch
at least not until the kid was old enough to understand that not everybody is friendly or has friendly intentions and you shouldn't overshare things etc

[fierce moth]

lol yes I'm a negative example

I don't care much stuff after I learnt 99% stuff I don't need to care

(I still no idea how to stop caring my quiet social medias though)

Someone want to find me? Let them find. I have nothing.

Perhaps my parents will be surprised that why I have a friend suddenly

[desert jasper]

It's not necessarily that
But for example kidnapping
or robbing the house when you go to vacation
and so on

Back when I was a kid we were told not to reveal your real name, where you live etc to people
and it was very much commonly agreed to be a good idea not to reveal too much info

until social media etc realized they could make profit off of people

[fierce moth]

yes, I heard Finnish are care about the edge so much

The west care about privacy more than the east in general, culture barrier here

You can't hide your phone number, id number and ip at all in China

I'm appreciated that the west will use emails to communicate in works, it records important stuff and will not bother you so often. Write an email requires you think what are you want to say carefully, deeply and comprehensively. All info must be included once time.

But as my observation from Chinese internet, it's common that bosses or your leaders just send multiple 40s+ audio messages to send commands and feedback. You must listen what are they said one by one.

*Context: Wechat as the most popular Chinese social app, it support to send a message by recording your voice. China have been quite poor and developed so quickly so many 70s people don't know how to use pinyin to type. They prefer to say it out directly. *

My family use this way to communicate each other too. It's not a good way because play audio in a noisy environment is...

Context: Wear headset or earphone don't quite be a habit in Chinese society yet especially for older people. The common way to play music still is play them publicly so another people will hear that. It's may be why people from the west dislike Chinese tourists.

[fierce moth]

Additional:
I think it's luxury that people in west usually hold a laptop and wear a headset to join in video meetings... Another culture barrier. China still ruled by audio messages on phones.

[desert jasper]

Not just finland
plenty of ppl have been robbed because they posted on social media

[fierce moth]

A security check must be done if you take Chinese subways... I guess it's act an important role on personal security 🤔

hah I should learn a bit Finnish subway

[jovial bane]

my uni students group on facebook used to do that as well, but only the youngest generation

Personally I think voice messages are annoying, because sometimes it's hard to understand what the other person is saying. Especially thanks to background noise. And it also takes a lot of time compared to reading

But to be fair, I think typing on keyboard in chinese is probably harder.

We just have ~26 symbols give or take depending on the language plus numbers.

🤔

[fierce moth]

lol municipal tax is quite high...

I don't know about how much pension insurance, unemployment insurance, health care insurance should be paid in China

I'm surprised that the living cost in HK/Singapore/NZ/Australia is higher than Finland

[fierce moth]

We just use letters from English keyboard to type Chinese

Then... Select that character you want from 30+ characters with the same letter (pinyin) lol

[jovial bane]

that's quite a hassle lol

[fierce moth]

emmm why I can't get the audio for how to speak a polish word from google translate?

[jovial bane]

no idea tbh xD

worked for me on random word

[fierce moth]

🤔 I find some common between Finnish and Chinese through this video, interesting

to eat = 为了吃
I eat = 我吃
you eats = 你吃
he/she/they eats = 他/她/他们吃
you eat = 你吃
we eat = 我们吃
they eat = 他们吃

[maiden widget]

It's also tons of ehms that just kill you slowly

[fierce moth]

The logic of Finnish is much more simple than French to accept

Oh Finnish sounds monotone? Chinese is the same. I find English/French is hard to speak because words need difference from tight and heavy tone

[ebon meadow]

Even as a russian trying to speak polish to me or probably most of EU is very hard ,some say russian is the most difficult some say mandarin is very difficult

Polish is like Danish to me people speak in morse code xdd

[fierce moth]

Yes every Russian is a tongue master

[ebon meadow]

The one is completely impossible to speak are Arabic languages saying a word wile u inhale air is not build in my lungs

[fierce moth]

I like monotone because it don't need my tongue

[ebon meadow]

Ohh lord the phrase xdd

I like listening to languages can only speak 3 though not enough ram

I do learn some basic words witch usually are first insults then how to say hello and Ty

[desert jasper]

syömme & syötte are wrong there
syömme is we eat, syötte is you eat

Also you do usually include the "we" part in that, for example "me syömme"
You don't need to because it's already in the "syömme"
but it makes it flow nicer and if the other person doesn't speak as good finnish it can help them understand it

[fierce moth]

I have no idea how to learn a new language without repeat the same words and with exact contexts... I will train my listening at first definitely because it's the deadly weakness for English education I have received

I get used to remember words by visual info (letters/characters) instead of audio info (pronunciation) but English is based on pronunciation to spell seriously so I can remember how to write but I forget how to speak

[desert jasper]

And yes, Finnish is pretty monotone.
It's very consistent when it comes to the rhytm you speak the language in

Also we don't have different pitches to distinguish a word from another when it comes to meaning
like the finnish word Kuusi
It means both the number six
and the spruce tree
Technically you could also use it to mean "your moon" but that makes no sense

But they're both the exact same pronounciation

[fierce moth]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZz9c78lydstAX3IG0IzhbCWS5oH--keE?si=NpkisSgVwbHS_wQW
Damn R in Finnish alphabet kill me

That's tongue's magic, which cause Russian is hard to learn

[desert jasper]

The good part is that once you learn it it's always said in same way

every letter in a finnish word is pronounced
there are no "silent" letters or it being pronounced differently because it's in a different word

[fierce moth]

I guess I should go back to learn French on duolingo...

Learnt French on duolingo in a year but lessons always changed so I lost my progress frequently, which was annoying

[obtuse rune]

Oh this is a win/win.

[desert jasper]

I did learn french back in the day
Like 2 years of lessons
now I can mostly just say that I don't speak french & ask if the other person speaks English
As it turns out, if you don't use a language you lose it

[fierce moth]

Yes, I can't find anywhere to use and listen French :(

Duolingo's lessons are boring after a while because contexts behind sentences are too simple

advanced training needs money for sure

French in China always be used to work aboard, to support contribution of infrastructure in Africa

[obtuse rune]

I used to use Duolingo years ago and stopped only because I stopped traveling..just waiting for the day we can just download languages and upload them to our brains directly 😆

[fierce moth]

you don't need to learn another language indeed because English is unit the world

[jovial bane]

I think the hardest thing for people learning the polish grammar is that some "letters" sound the same, but gramatically there is a difference which one you use.
Like ó sounds the same as u, or rz as ż (and to unitrained ear rz, ż, ś, si, ć, dzi and ci all sound like "sh" in english)

[fierce moth]

Learn a language is the only way to self-speak at home for me

I'll struggle with my tongue in the whole process

Speak words with someone is spirit-consuming because I need to care about my accent, my tones, my words and my facial experssion. No body language here

[desert jasper]

Not every place speaks English

[obtuse rune]

Yeah, while I understand that English is used heavily some places, it isn't always the case and unless we have a universal language everyone is taught I will be interested in other languages

[white ether]

i think its also important, if you have the time and stuff to, to learn a bit of other languages, just becuase language is a big influencer in how you percieve and interpret stuff. So getting na idea of how other languages work can be very good for understanding how different people see the world

i.e. learnign languages isnt just about a need to communicate in it

[fierce moth]

what points HR want to listen from self-introduction? Listen what had I learnt from previous experience?

For example, what should I say in a 2 mins self-introduction?

[obtuse rune]

Are you asking for my advice what to say in an interview or to introduce yourself?

[fierce moth]

I want both 👀

Never talk about this topic, glad to hear different opinions.

discovered an senior concept artist who own a company in Guangzhou

[obtuse rune]

I'll be honest, I don't know what standpoint you're looking at but I'd always say be yourself, honest and respectful when doing an introduction. I can't help you with an interview because that is just too broad or specific given the place and job type

[placid yarrow]

I think if I learned another language it'd either be Spanish or Chinese since they seem the most useful

But I'm too lazy I'll likely stick with the ones I know for the foreseeable future lol

[fierce moth]

How are you introduce yourself in the interview of EHG?

[obtuse rune]

yeah, growing up we didn't have access to nowhere as many resources or language teachers there are today

[fierce moth]

As a CM

[obtuse rune]

"I'm a nerd with experience, so hire me"

a few battle royales later then boom

ah, its a joke

[fierce moth]

How to play royales well?

[obtuse rune]

It was based on the competitive job market

[fierce moth]

I mean in an interview

Yes. How are you play this game?

[silent steeple]

Might be unrelated but I recently found out how japanese ppl introduce themselves and I absolutely love it

Basically this guy joined us in server and gave us his ign, what he likes to play as and then threw in random tidbits about himself

[fierce moth]

Tidbits like what?

[silent steeple]

Well after he semi-formally introduced himself, the mood was immediately lightened when he said he likes most american movies and jurassic park franchise is his favorite

[fierce moth]

Something related to NDA so you can't spoil details?

I feel something odd here because Van's first reaction is make a joke 🤔

[fierce moth]

Never hear Jurassic park. Thanks

[silent steeple]

Really? Damn

[junior oyster]

I've never watched lotr but it's wild even to me that she hasn't heard of jurassic park

[gilded elm]

A lot of my skills were acquired by learning over years through helping others in programming channels on IRC, mainly Freenode lol

I miss those days tbh

Nowadays information is so abundant, IRC is completely obsolete. Even resources that made everyone's life easier like Stack Overflow are no longer useful. Feels like self-learning highly technical skills has never been easier.

[fierce moth]

Challenge for self-taught in current era is how to filter useful info for your goals and believe in yourself that you are never behind anyone, but you need to step a bit every day

[silent steeple]

The thing about learning any technical skill without supervision is that mistakes could not only go unnoticed but also could get reinforced. In best case scenario there wont be many mistakes but efficiency could be hampered

[fierce moth]

I'm afraid of I behind of all people I seen on the internet for a long time... So something I'm surprised is if someone who like your works really, they will not care about that

em. Yes. Kirra is self-speaking in her way again.

[fierce moth]

I have a feeling that EHG will hire him as environment concept artist. Let's see

I don't know Jurassic park yes, but it remind me of I should use my bilibili vip well by watching something. Emmmmm available American movies on bilibili are.... Godfather? Ok take a look

Never watch a 70s movie

[warped wren]

Why have you deprived yourself so

[junior oyster]

Yea everyone says that to me

[warped wren]

Sometimes, the subject lives up to the hype

LoTR movies are brilliant

[warped wren]

man, listening to Kip Thorne is such a joy

his knowledge and the way he explains it is just amazing: https://youtu.be/PTs--eFrzGo?si=w49kJ8852QzxBoSD

crazy that he's that sharp at 85

[fierce moth]

....American, 10 years+ experience, 6 years in game devlopment.

Extreme cruel competition.

Always someone better than you.

🤔 Then Ahmed is worrying about the same problem with me follow this logic because a lot pros can do better than his artworks.

Infinite comparison.

[sand wigeon]

stop comparing yourself then

lol

it doesn't matter if there's someone "better" than you out there

the point isn't to be the best

[ebon meadow]

I don't think I have read a conversation when people saying they havent watched lotr or Jurassic park lol

Not the same person but holy... That's a miss on film art

[junior oyster]

I've also never watched the lion king fwiw

[ebon meadow]

Jurassics Dino's were a peak graphically for the age and lotr is yea mutibilion spend that not even marvel can come close to

[ebon meadow]

Ok that I can understand not a lot of people watched old Disney for different reasons

[silent steeple]

My school actually arranged for a open theatre kinda event for Lion King

[junior oyster]

I have seen some tidbits of lotr from memes though

[silent steeple]

Dont remember much of the movie but i definitely remember the experience

[ebon meadow]

Not a fan of lion king neither but it's an emotional rollercoaster in a good way

I was more of Aladdin fan

[junior oyster]

Well

Aladdin was nice for sure

[twilit mountain]

The LOTR movies combined don't even hit 1 billion

[junior oyster]

But for me it's the iron giant

[ebon meadow]

Don't they actually ? I do not know but I would asume they did

Also inflation was slightly different

[twilit mountain]

All three combined were less than 300 million in total budget

[silent steeple]

Just like lion king, i remember the name but not the plot 😂

[ebon meadow]

Holy shit between the places and well everything including extras is a lot of money

[junior oyster]

I've watched it enough times in my life that I know scene by scene for the most part lol

Iron giant I mean

[ebon meadow]

TMNT and spider man is the one I grinded as child them it was Simpsons

I want to watch bleach again and I don't even know why

One punch man left me thirsty

[silent steeple]

Never been big on anime in general but Im glad I watched the classics

Bleach was something yes

[ebon meadow]

I don't usually watch anime untill I read it everywhere ,fully I have watch full metal alchemist and bleach

Then it was Naruto Shippuden,overloaded was recommend a lot ju jitsu kaisen

[junior oyster]

Great anime

[ebon meadow]

The first one I remember to watch was Akira

[junior oyster]

I've only really watched bleach and db

[ebon meadow]

And just because my dad bought a limited edition dvd with remake and the original

[junior oyster]

I tried to watch and read one piece but I just couldn't get past episode 4

[silent steeple]

Its the long running animes for me. I cant seem to get on with that idea idk why

[junior oyster]

I do not like Luffy for some strange reason lol

[ebon meadow]

Ohh yea DBZ lol but for some reason I don't consider it anime idk

[silent steeple]

AoT, loved it

[ebon meadow]

It is I know but it never felt to me like it

[junior oyster]

The only anime I liked recently aside from the obvious Bleach tybw is delicious in dungeon

Can't wait for s2

[ebon meadow]

A lot of people usually jump on me for this but the series has so much filler it's dumb sometimes

Constantly going to same themes X10 times

[junior oyster]

I also only like dragon ball till the end of the cell arc

[ebon meadow]

Yea a lot of people dislike Buu saga

[silent steeple]

Do u know abt TFS?

[junior oyster]

Yea I have nothing to say on this. I have 0 knowledge on OP aside from not liking Luffy

TFS?

[silent steeple]

Team Four Star

Youtube channel

Check it out, their playlist for dbz abridged. You're welcome

[junior oyster]

I used to watch dbz abridged lol

Was it them making it?

[silent steeple]

I guess, cuz there are quite a few parodies of dbz abridged and they were all pretty famous so idk which one u saw

[ebon meadow]

Hol up I need to bookmark that

Lol

[fierce moth]

👍 I never understand this point completely until now.

Find a job = play a rng game
Make sense, be myself is the correct end.

[ebon meadow]

69 videos ,well I have something to watch wile playing

[fierce moth]

Hello 👀 You're finding me I believe

[silent steeple]

You'll enjoy them, that I can assure u

[junior oyster]

No idea but I can get behind this lol

[silent steeple]

I dont exactly remember why they stopped, there was a lawsuit drama too but I do remember we used to wait almost a year for one episode

[ebon meadow]

Yes I m confused how u never heard of Jurassic park ,even with Jurassic world movies today

[junior oyster]

Myspace relic damn

[fierce moth]

I'm watching dune 2. Godfather is too boring

[ebon meadow]

Dune is decent

Godfather u need to have a like for mafia filmography

[fierce moth]

Which one is more decent, dune series or the lord of ring series 👀

[ebon meadow]

Film wise ? Or series ?

[silent steeple]

Thats the kind of question that starts riots

[ebon meadow]

In any case I will always go for Tolkien ,guy is a Goat

[junior oyster]

Fallout

[ebon meadow]

Pretty much

[ebon meadow]

I need more also a series that left me wanting to have next 4 seasons

[fierce moth]

fallout is a film series?... I just know it's a game series

[ebon meadow]

This is why I never watched game of thrones untill it was completely out

[ebon meadow]

They have 2 seasons to my knowledge I think

It's such a wast world ,fallout . I don't think they can cover even a quarter of it

[fierce moth]

oh...TV series

[ebon meadow]

Would be same for warcraft and Warhammer

[ebon meadow]

Yep ,it's very cool

[junior oyster]

Bro it's weird hearing 'tiktok' noises in the abridged version

https://youtu.be/2nYozPLpJRE?list=PL6EC7B047181AD013&t=335

Like this part

[ebon meadow]

Without even looking not the first time u get sound Q's from platforms xdd

So many games takes them from movies and verve versa

[junior oyster]

Also just to be clear I don't really watch tiktok but I see them on reddit sometimes

Oh and my wife watches on tiktok so I recognise the annoying sounds lol

[silent steeple]

Okay I will admit first few episodes are meh. But its gets fun once the saiyans make it to earth

U mentioned u enjoyed watching till cell games, right?

[junior oyster]

Yea I think I watched an abridged version of the freiza fight

[silent steeple]

The whole abridged thing ran till cell games too. Apparently they didnt bother with buu saga for many different reasons

But I really enjoyed namek and cell games saga cuz while keeping it true to original sources, the parody versions started developing their own personalities

[ebon meadow]

Realistically the only reason I like Buu saga is for super Sayan 3 and because I grasped the fourth one from GT

This don't count as spoilers right it's like 20 years old now lol

[silent steeple]

Honestly, i couldnt tell cuz I never got to watch till even namek saga(original version)

[ebon meadow]

Was going to mention something about Super but that is a spoiler

[silent steeple]

All my knowledge is from TFS abridged 😂

[ebon meadow]

Super is great but how even beyond can I go at this point lol

Also as Poe player everyone must have the soundtrack for dbz

[silent steeple]

I dont remember much cuz of how long its been but I distinctly remember watching an episode where they showed only blue expanses of namek, same scenery, through out the episode and then some character was yelling for 5 mins straight to power up and then episode ended. Thats when I lost interest

[ebon meadow]

That one and the Legion league remix

[silent steeple]

Its like u said abt the other one, it was full of fillers

[ebon meadow]

Yea and this where one piece took that and stretched to stupid levels

[silent steeple]

^ 😂

[ebon meadow]

∆

Xdd

[silent steeple]

Wait I just read

One piece is from the same studio

No wonder they pulled the same crap 😂

[gilded elm]

Consider OnePace if you want to enjoy One Piece without being subjected to all of the filler lol

[silent steeple]

xD

[gilded elm]

It's a really good fan-made project.

Cuts out all of the filler and edits episodes, combining several into a single one

[silent steeple]

Oh damn I thought it was a play on words 😂

Will check it out

[ebon meadow]

Wait does they actually cut out the remembering a full freaking chapter in next 4th chapter ? Because I would definitely consider

[gilded elm]

It cuts out all filler.

[ebon meadow]

And people can debate me they want and call it character development and story twist but cmon

[ebon meadow]

Ok I m bookmarking that to

What chapter is the original one now ? Like 940+?

[gilded elm]

No idea, it's all blurry once a series goes into a thousand plus episodes

[ebon meadow]

I can actually check it miss last two ones

And that's probably missing few

[junior oyster]

Ok apparently there is an abridged version of Bleach lol

[gilded elm]

Perfection lol

Oh they even require loot box disclosures, I missed that. Even better!

[twilit mountain]

There were people on the modding subreddit throwing a hissy fit because "They can steal your mod for themselves!!!!" lol

[desert jasper]

People love throwing a fit

[gilded elm]

The entitlement of people who want to monetize their mods on someone else's platform without having to grant very limited rights to the developer to be able to show off mods in the game...

[twilit mountain]

It's a weirdly common problem

[gilded elm]

Give people a fair marketplace to actually make money from their creativity and they still cry.

[silent steeple]

I remember reading abt some mod related to cyberpunk just yesterday

Something similar of sort

[gilded elm]

Related: Some of the mods/plugins I've seen showcased from various videos have been insane. People are making top down games, isometric games, side scroller games... from Hytale.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. All that guy would've had to do to make it completely fine btw would either make it not required to be paid for or remove the 2077 content/name from its advertising.

[twilit mountain]

Hytale runs Doom👍

Someone has figured out how to make Minecraft and Hytale cross-play lol

[gilded elm]

The Cyberpunk VR mod author is acting in bad faith. He's trying to claim that he should be allowed to monetize his VR mod because it works for many different games, completely ignoring the fact that his mod still requires Cyberpunk-specific code to actually work in Cyberpunk, which means paywalling crosses certain intellectual property boundaries.

[twilit mountain]

He apparently pulled the same shit for GTA5

[gilded elm]

Might be difficult, dunno. I just learned a few minutes ago (while looking up Hytale server stuff) that they use QUIC (basically UDP) for networking and it's a completely different protocol from most of the internet which uses TCP, including Minecraft. Interoperability might be a significant challenge simply at the networking level alone.

[twilit mountain]

Byteflux\

It already exists

They've already managed to make it work

[gilded elm]

Gotta give credit to how quickly people are already working on it lmao

[twilit mountain]

Someone is making a Quake inspired server that supports both games lmfao

[ebon meadow]

man i miss Quake

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's fairly easy to just abstract away the gameplay code and make it non-specific to Minecraft or Hytale, as long as the games are similar enough it means a lot of the code can be abstracted and re-used across platforms.

[ebon meadow]

or just a frenetic shooter

[jade jackal]

Youre making me want to buy Hytale

[gilded elm]

Can't lie, it's a very minimal gameplay experience, but as a demo of its potential? It's crazy

[jade jackal]

im holding out to see how further development is managed now past initial early access release

[gilded elm]

This is what they managed to put out within 2 months of reacquiring the IP from Riot.

[jade jackal]

I really wonder what was the state of the game 3 months ago

like, how fast and capable are they

[gilded elm]

So even if the current state of the game isn't huge from a player perspective, it's still super impressive how much foundational stuff exists for modding.

[jade jackal]

Even a good relatively empty game can be enjoyable

like Minecraft was in its prealpha days

[gilded elm]

People are already creating all kinds of minigames in Hytale

[twilit mountain]

Apparently this is all based on a build of the game from pre-Riot acquisition to boot

[gilded elm]

Yep, this is all pre-Riot stuff. Riot wanted to completely rewrite everything in a new engine, from scratch.

Because they wanted to ensure a global release on every possible platform such as consoles.

And basically they got stuck in development hell trying to rewrite an engine from scratch.

Legendary Drops has a good video on it too. The old team got squeezed out from Riot during all of this because they felt like imposters compared to the talent Riot was bringing in and the expectations of success Riot's management was creating. They felt like imposters haha

They as in, the original Hytale dev team.

Even smart, extremely talented people can be blinded by artificial confidence and authority.

People who appear smarter than they are.

(aka Riot managers, who as it turned out, weren't very smart after all)

[warped wren]

used to watch a few of his videos before I realized that he became yet another ragebaiter over time

studio makes bad game? Abuse them. Studio tries to make good game? Abuse them for their pronouns / opinions / whatever. Studio tries to make a big game? Abuse them for the size of the game. Studio tries to make small game? Abuse them for lack of scope. Studio tries to acquire indie? Abuse them for being corporate thugs. Studio accepts its limitations and sells indie back to its owner? Abuse them for being idiots.

I suppose it gets him good views, given his channel growth

nowadays if I want actual gaming industry news, I look at either Bellular or YongYea, people who can talk without hyperbole and without trying to inflame my outrage

[gilded elm]

Yeah, everyone has some kind of angle. I'm usually okay watching people as long as I know what their angle is. He capitalizes hard on the hate for AAA and the successes of indie, in a very predictable way. Sometimes this can cross into radical political reasoning if it riles a certain crowd. That said, in general I think he has a lot of grounded takes and at least seems to do actual research.

[warped wren]

no real point of research if you're just going to use it to make your audience as angry as possible

that's just fancier propaganda

[gilded elm]

I think getting gamers angry at AAA is kind of a noble cause, tbh lol

[warped wren]

is it though.

I saw his Hytale video. I have a hard time understanding why he so desperately wants to be, and wants others to be, angry at Riot for genuinely trying their best to make a big game out of what seems to be a very popular and beloved idea. Especially because according to his own research they seemed to be doing it in a very sensible, respectful fashion.

just hate for engagement's sake IMO

[gilded elm]

I feel LD cultivates a rage that's already been there for a while. I can't actually recall him flat out lying to influence people emotionally lol

[warped wren]

yes I suppose there is that bare minimum

big of him

[gilded elm]

Riot steering the project into development hell and then cancelling it, especially with the hindsight of Hytale's recent early access release, makes it hard not to get angry at Riot.

[warped wren]

again, I fail to understand why simply trying to increase the scope of the game is being classified as development hell

[gilded elm]

Because none of their ambitions materialized and eventually RIot cancelled the project. That's why.

[warped wren]

?

bro

that happens all the time in business

[gilded elm]

Despite the game already being in a playable state prior to Riot's acquisition.

[warped wren]

that's not development hell

that's just work

sometimes you try shit and it doesn't fly

[gilded elm]

Yeah, but Hytale was basically playable before Riot acquired it.

Riot expanded the scope.

And it was too ambitious.

Or management screwed up

And it never saw the light of day

[warped wren]

the whole purpose of an acquisition is to expand scope

that's why acquisitions happen

that's why two parties agree to it at all

they acquired because they wanted to expand, and original owners wanted to expand, they tried to expand, they didn't succeed

that's normal

[twilit mountain]

Okay Byte I am going to say that former Hypixel employees have stated many times the issues that arose under Riot were due to Hypixel leadership

[warped wren]

props to Riot for realizing it and then selling it back when the owner wanted to take it back

I hate EA / Ubisoft / whatever slopfest makers as much as the next gamer but this one is just pushing it for absolutely no discernible reason

[jade jackal]

You can say indie endearment bait, but as long as it provides

ive seen many developers calling out AAA practices just to end up in the same swamp when some money came in

[gilded elm]

I don't think the consumer needs to be mindful of how business acquisitions are intended to work when casting judgement. From a free market perspective, it's entirely reasonable for a consumer to express anger or disappointment at the business who had total control over the development of the IP at the time development stalled and eventually cancelled. If there is any worthwhile argument at all, it's whether the blame is directed appropriately at the right parties.

[warped wren]

sure you can just be mad at anything and everything, that's totally your right as a consumer. It's my right to find that kind of brainless rage utterly stupid.

and the fact that an entire industry of influencers exists to further inflame this rage is stupidity ultra pro max edition

it's like that whole crap about dunking on that Highguard thingamajig game that's been happening

literally nothing seen beyond a single trailer video and there's entire dissection ragebaits being pumped out about it

[gilded elm]

My honest opinion is that the game just actually looks like slop. Not the AI kind of slop, but actual human-made slop. When I heard the main character being called "John Videogame" that actually resonated very hard, because that's what it feels like.

Ragebaiting in itself doesn't imply that the sentiment is built on a foundation of lies. There could be a kernel of truth there.

[warped wren]

I find it really ironic that "gamers" find it so offensive when studio devs or execs patronize them, and then turn around and engage in the exact behavior that literally deserves patronization.

[jovial bane]

minus the part that almost feels like "chat GPT give me an idea for hero shooter"

but oh well

[warped wren]

yeah I mean that's fine, if it sucks it'll tank, that's that

[jovial bane]

not that I much care about it, if it will end up successful good for the devs

[jade jackal]

Highguard

[warped wren]

I just hate gaming ragebait, because it's such a dog whistle for all sorts of disgusting behavior

[jovial bane]

I think it's confirmation bias at work

[twilit mountain]

My entire issue with Highguard is that they decided to advertise it as "from the makers of Titanfall" which is an insane thing to promote imo, that's one of the most unique games in the entire genre of all time, you need to live up to that if that's what you decide to push something as

[warped wren]

ooo this game has a pink haired artist with they/them pronouns, it's gonna be such a disaster bro, keep politics out of my game bro

[gilded elm]

I mean, do you take any comfort in the fact that LD is at least not as bad as Asmon with the AAA ragebaiting? lol

[jovial bane]

I mean modern guns with knight vibes were kind of unique

[warped wren]

#📚┃off-topic message

[jovial bane]

I was mixed on relase, but echh

[gilded elm]

Haha

[jovial bane]

the more I've seen it, the less I like it

[warped wren]

apparently they didn't actually choose that end-of-presentation trailer slot

Keeley did that on his own

kinda funny

[gilded elm]

Or so Keeley says. I don't personally know Geoff.

[jovial bane]

well you know what they say, you cannot account for the manners of taste

[gilded elm]

So I don't know if he would lie about that kind of thing.

I mean I would believe it if he wasn't lying, he seems like a good dude.

[warped wren]

I don't actually care either way because I don't play hero shooters, but the court of public opinion is an awful thing when it turns against you for any reason

and weaponizing it the way these ragefarmers do is just bottom tier troll behavior

[jovial bane]

I think it's the increasing tribalism of pretty much everything, discussions are dead. Everything is team sports now

[gilded elm]

Perhaps just another byproduct of everyone being connected socially 24/7 lol

[jovial bane]

Well that, and pretty much SM promoting echo chambers.
It's not about seeing other people's opinions, it's about "updoots"

[gilded elm]

Upvotes, or basically Reddit Karma, as a system works well when the participants aren't dumb as a brick.

[jovial bane]

Which unfortunately is why it's a bad system, problem is most people are dumb as bricks

Or at least one should assume so

[warped wren]

disable visibility of all views / upvote / downvote statistics

put a minimum (not maximum) required word count of 300 for comments

problem solved, I'll take a Nobel whenever it's ready

[gilded elm]

This part's already defeated now by ChatGPT lol

Probably won't serve as a good deterrent haha

[warped wren]

enable AI detection that auto bans for posting AI generated content, with escalating ban times and perma after 3rd offense

[gilded elm]

AI detecter = "Is that an emdash? Sus"

lol

[warped wren]

fun historical fact, the original social media websites didn't even have this stuff. This only came in during Facebook's early days. In fact I actually remember its implementation.

it started with the Like button

and just exploded from there

[gilded elm]

Karma was in Reddit from the very beginning, I think

Not sure when Reddit launched

Google's obviously very smart and never wrong AI assist says June 2005 lol

[warped wren]

2005. But Reddit was a more glorified text forum, not "true" social media

[jovial bane]

Reddit is a fascinating website

[gilded elm]

Reddit was more of a gathering for nerds yeah

Back then at least

[jovial bane]

It's an awful cesspit, one of the worst sites I've ever been to. But also one of the best

[gilded elm]

So the average intelligence on Reddit back in the day was quite high

[jovial bane]

I swear the bigger the reddit communities, the worse it gets

[gilded elm]

Yeah that's basically how it works.

[warped wren]

better representation

kek

[gilded elm]

I basically had to unsub from a lot of the 1mil+ subreddits because of how bad it was getting over the years.

[junior oyster]

I like the slay the spire subreddit

It's almost as good as the discord channel

[jovial bane]

it probably is

[gilded elm]

Sometimes you got good moderators I guess lol

[jovial bane]

say Timeless Magic, so for timeless format has like 15k people

Limited format has similar size, and most of the stuff is quality posts you expect

people talking about the meta, and that's all there is

[gilded elm]

The good subreddits are the ones where it's just shitposting :D

[jovial bane]

that too

even on big subs, like Clarence on 40k ones

[gilded elm]

Which poor soul actually paid money for that mini lol

[jovial bane]

nobody, someone painted a nids model like that

now it's a meme, because it's so bad yet so good

[gilded elm]

Ah yeah, I see. Clarence lmao

I need a 40k lore sub. The 40k one is mostly tabletop

[jovial bane]

I think there is one, but it's mostly questions

[gilded elm]

Ah, it's called 40kLore. Wasn't finding anything on Reddit, but found it on Google

[ebon meadow]

what is this ping ? i m in Spain xdd

my phone might be on vpn but wtf

any recomendations on torchlight inf i just open the game xdd i m bored

i dowloaded and never opened

[gilded elm]

Just play it like PoE, probably

It has a lot of the same basic concepts

[ebon meadow]

its the clases that freaking me out

its like a freaking moba char selection

i already like Ice-fire fusion one , i m confused already with just names

[gilded elm]

Usually go with the waifu you fancy the most, maybe

[ebon meadow]

fk we to simple

[twilit mountain]

Try to learn the terminology, it's completely different from every other game in the genre. Gemma is a pretty solid pick, any of them are fine but iirc the first two versions of her are best.

[gilded elm]

Don't let efficiency get between you and true love.

[ebon meadow]

they do sound very nice just from reading the basics

[gilded elm]

Gotta go with your heart.

[ebon meadow]

and i m a caster always so

[gilded elm]

And your heart is probably telling you, who looks the hottest?

[ebon meadow]

i m just looking for things like chaos or dark magic

i like those

[twilit mountain]

Mmm, not Gemma then

[ebon meadow]

maaan , it bought out a a video of the character ... i m fine xdd

[twilit mountain]

Youga2 is decent for DoT, Thea2 iirc is also good for that.

[ebon meadow]

this one is really apealing to

[twilit mountain]

"Chaos" equivalent here basically always ends up as DoT based just due to how it functions

[twilit mountain]

Technically you can go hitbased in the lategame with it but it's expensive and difficult

[ebon meadow]

phys proj or spell that aply dots is usually my thing yea

old warlock afli , sticker are free and for everyone

blashemer looks nice

[twilit mountain]

It's pretty solid. To my knowledge it is capable of league starting and getting to T8s in under a week even for inexperienced players.

[ebon meadow]

i m looking for the characters this is very weird thing to me , i geniunly saw like few gameplays and have 0 knoledge of this lmao

[twilit mountain]

I have like 800 hours in the game

[ebon meadow]

ohh lul

do u extend to playing on phone at all ?

or just on pc

[twilit mountain]

Depends on the build, some things are very much PC only

[ebon meadow]

yea but that also very nice its like when i was playing osrs , i squized a lot of grinds in from phone

bed , work

WC

[twilit mountain]

New charatcer probably rips on phone in late game lol, basically has Flicker Strike built into it

[ebon meadow]

ohh , nice to know

[twilit mountain]

Downside is the new character each season does require you to have the battlepass. But all previous are free to play for the season

[ebon meadow]

yea heard that form CuteDog

[twilit mountain]

People will say that "new characters are always OP" but lemme tell ya, we've had some real shit character launches before lmao

[ebon meadow]

thats nice its some sort of like lol new characters

u can get them free but its a looot faster to just buy points

[warped wren]

Maybe I should give TLI another shot, just because it's playable on phone. Taking care of my son prevents the use of the laptop entirely

Nor does he let me read

[ebon meadow]

i mean if u even can do 15 mint sometimes its better than nothing to kill time

but u are taking care of a child so ...

i have to a boomer here

[warped wren]

Yeah I mean, it just gets boring as hell sitting there and just supervising him sometimes

Can't use laptop so can't work or play, can't read, can't watch TV

[twilit mountain]

Cookin me FPS

[ebon meadow]

always depending of the age of a child unless its a newborn but surely u can find something to do together

[warped wren]

He's very young, just 14 months

I play with him obviously, but can't do it for hours, he needs self play as well, important for his development

[ebon meadow]

oh late GZ then and sorry but u have a bit of road a head

[warped wren]

Heh yeah

Hopefully we get a daycare slot soon

[ebon meadow]

first interactions outside home very good as well

without parents around

to seroius thing for me xdd i need a smoke

i want a child ofc but i just dont have the suport i can give one right now

neither a partner to have it realisticly

but i m getting oldge

such a dark joke , not the fact i cant make one i just cant sustain the map juicing

oh lord life is a drag sometimes

[twilit mountain]

:D

[ebon meadow]

this is fine

[ebon meadow]

i m fully spelling this for exploration

this probably would feel very nice with controler than kbm or tochscreen

[ebon meadow]

am i watching the right stuff becouse i m laughing my ass of here lmao

is it suppos to be sitire ?

[gilded elm]

If you want DBZ abridged, just watch Dragon Ball Z Kai.

Kinda the whole point of Kai haha

[desert jasper]

wtf

[twilit mountain]

Bug abuse gaming

Build's gonna be gone next league, and integrity doesn't exist in PoE2, so screw it I'll use the unintended interaction build