📚┃off-topic

[warped wren]

eh, no. AI in medicine is actually useful because AI works on pattern recognition which is uniquely useful in detecting diseases.

especially pattern recognition over larger data points than a human mind can process

[abstract karma]

I wouldnt believe it too much.. its still potential answer of "yes of 20%"

for now i will believe in human factor

[warped wren]

Doesn't matter if you believe it or not, it's been used in disease detection for a few years now

[sudden anchor]

i see ai as a point where all human knowledge comes together as one entity.

its just that the "yes of 20%" is the result of all that human work - data the ai was trained on, that you dont see or comprehend. saying "yes of 20%" is the most efficient way to translate it to you.

[warped wren]

more like all reddit knowledge

(unironically true)

[sudden anchor]

yea, i see what you mean and reddit as a whole is not a bad dataset i guess. the few times i was there, i was impressed by the intelligence of the posters

[warped wren]

[desert jasper]

Hmm... 10 voidborn keys
nothing worth

the text for this was in russian
can't understand what it says

Then got a wurm's molt with text "OMG! is that a Headhunter?"

[fierce moth]

Back to here finally but I think time to sleep 💤 Playing rogue + forge, the process is smoother a lot than my past

[sand wigeon]

please do not reproduce

[sudden anchor]

not yet i will. need to farm more knowledge first, then i can expand on that topic

[sand wigeon]

what the #%@* are you saying

[desert jasper]

for foil Darkness Enthroned

[sudden anchor]

idk how i was unclear

[sand wigeon]

please learn grammar

[sudden anchor]

i'm a constant learner, looking forward to improve.

[desert jasper]

"Feeling lucky, Exile ?"

[sand wigeon]

i am making fun of you for thinking people on reddit are smart

reddit is widely known as a cesspool

[sudden anchor]

my overall impression of the people i met was good, idk what to believe anymore. maybe i should revisit the place and see with my own eyes?

[sand wigeon]

i think if you need to question if reddit's userbase is smart you're too naive to be on reddit

[desert jasper]

A large "population" of reddit is just bots

[sand wigeon]

right? lol

[fierce moth]

I want to do something for 10 years and get comment from GGG too...

[sudden anchor]

i've mostly read aita and about medicine there. got my tech recommended too. aita was fun to see how my view compares to others, i even used it at some point. just to see how redditors tick. and it confirmed my personal bias - which didn't stop me from questioning my behaviour. the same way i use ai, since it's so made to please you - gotta make sure you want the harsh truth only sometimes, something like that

[desert jasper]

Alright
Got to 86% and opened 30 voidborn keys
Didn't really get that valuable things out of them
Kinda wish you'd get more dust for dusting them

[desert jasper]

Well
Get to doing 10 years of content out of PoE...

Zizaran got a large following thanks to PoE
And he made a lot of money for PoE over the years

Just saying that you'd want to do something for 10 years and get a comment doesn't mean anything if you're not going to put in the effort to do it

It's like me saying "I'd like to get married some day"
And then not doing anything to make that happen

[sudden anchor]

yea, the way you wrote it, Kirra, seems like you did take the opposite of what nub said into account, making his answer very fitting.
maybe you meant it that way - you want to work on something hard like Zizaran too for 10 years, meaning it's probably fulfilling and fills your stomach, and get a comment from ggg - perhaps this again means fulfillment for you, working on your favourite game, artwise?

[abstract karma]

Isnt basically every "famous" streamer of PoE basically free tester for ggc ?

[desert jasper]

ggc? what even is ggc

[abstract karma]

keystroke mistake ? 🤷‍♂️

[jade jackal]

Is it free tester if people throw money at you streaming build tests?

and theorycrafts

[lethal bane]

God bless you man, just read a book

[sand wigeon]

thank you

i didn’t know how to put it into words

[lethal bane]

Lmfao

"Read, please! I'm begging" is so constantly screaming in my head

[sudden anchor]

thank you. i am reading capital currently. it's finally starting to be fun, after the first 100 sites were too abstract for my taste

[abstract karma]

i mean ggg dont pay them ? If they make money by different source it doesnt matter for ggg

[lethal bane]

Capital by Marx or a different book called Capital?

[sudden anchor]

yes, Marx'

[jade jackal]

Yes, but game changes are a platform for them to go live and test these things, get additional exposure

[sand wigeon]

how can you be trying so hard but still be so dumb

[desert jasper]

Aight, I'd stop there with calling ppl dumb

[sand wigeon]

how can you be trying so hard but still fail

[lethal bane]

When you say sites what do you mean? What ways are you approaching Marx's Capital?

[sudden anchor]

probably because it took forever for me to find concentration to stick to reading one book more than a few sites at once.

[sand wigeon]

marx is inherently a time piece

[abstract karma]

Wtf you have against reddit ? Yes 90% of post there are just flames and nonsense, occasional some just typical forum discussion like in discord channel lol
But yes even there you can find some rare good discussion which are worth to talk about or read - depends on topic

[sand wigeon]

you kinda need to know the history behind soviet control and what reign was like for the average person within soviet control at the time

[lethal bane]

He's fairly specific TBH, just a bit dry

[sand wigeon]

marx doesn’t make a ton of sense if you consider it in a vacuum imo

i’d pick up some memories from various people living under soviet control, i think it’s a great thing to learn about regardless

[desert jasper]

I'd say my idea about communists but I'd probably get banned from this discord.

[lethal bane]

A lot of Marx is fine for the most part. I tend to prefer reading more modern Marxists over Marx himself, they tend to offer a bit more context

[sand wigeon]

imo one of the best soviet timepieces are in the disco elysium art book

the primary artist talks about growing up under soviet control as a kid and trying to breach into artist

and how that lack of resources impacts their art even in their adulthood

it’s a great piece

(Alexander Rostov)

[sand wigeon]

redditors

[lethal bane]

I'm fond of Fanon. There's some good stuff from Gramsci too

[sand wigeon]

much like any other social media platform it inherently encourages baseless arguments and conflict

i’d say the same thing about twitter and facebook and tumblr and even discord

constructive thought is brought in momentary glimpses, not a continuous tide

it’s not a good place to learn anything outside of extremely small communities

[lethal bane]

Social media is made for constant engagement and not encouraging more healthy practices

[sand wigeon]

yeah

[twilit mountain]

I hope the next big social media format has CQC

[desert jasper]

That can be arranged.

[lethal bane]

I've taken up ID'ing mushrooms in the woods as a hobby. Reading some mycology/anthropology books too that are sick af

[abstract karma]

another crappy words
Youtubers
Twitchers
Twitters
Facebookers
Instragramers

In all variants you can find stupid ppl.. So what is Reddit so higher above other these apps or webs ?

[sand wigeon]

did you read what i said lol

[lethal bane]

They're better at being dumb

[sand wigeon]

i said i’d say the same thing about any other social media

[lethal bane]

Fine masters of their crafts

[sand wigeon]

“twitchers”

LMAO

[jade jackal]

Twitchoids

[lethal bane]

Granny ain't prepared to debate Marx using only YouTube pundits and Wikipedia like Redditors or Twitch streamers are

[sand wigeon]

twitchoids

[desert jasper]

twitchchuds

[sand wigeon]

hasan piker is a plague

i hate that creature

[jade jackal]

Chatoids is a used word

[twilit mountain]

Hand them over, please

[lethal bane]

Piker isn't even the worst guy doing it

[sand wigeon]

i know i just hate him

[teal urchin]

Post memes

[lethal bane]

Which ones?

[twilit mountain]

Mushroom

[lethal bane]

WHICH MUSHROOM BOOKS

[twilit mountain]

Yeah

[sand wigeon]

because he’s a “leftist” and then he’s out here and i’m like this guy isn’t even on the left

americans

i hate americans

[lethal bane]

I have several for different things

[desert jasper]

badger

[sand wigeon]

have you found any puffballs boru

those things are good when fried

[lethal bane]

Devil's Snuffbox in Samuel Taylor state park

Very cool, unsafe state to eat them in thoigh

[desert jasper]

||heard you like loss||

[lethal bane]

Spotted several large growths of Chicken of the Wood in the areas too

[twilit mountain]

I have a collection very far back in my gallery

[lethal bane]

For anthropology work I'd recommend Mushroom at the End of the World: Life in Capitalist Ruins by Tsing. It's a phenomenal work around matsutake mushrooms

[desert jasper]

Also
Opened 30 voidborn keys
Best I got was 96% abyss belt thingy

Well it was 70% originally but I threw a div at it

[twilit mountain]

Peak

[lethal bane]

Merline Sheldrake, a mycologist, has a journal I'm hunting down that builds off of some of Tsing's work

[twilit mountain]

Those things are so bad

[sand wigeon]

the best mycologist i know is shel silverstein because that guy was definitely on shrooms

[desert jasper]

But it was honestly kind of freeing to do
I did reach the 36 challenges
so what do I have left, getting to lvl 100? sure
i'll get to lvl 99 and then regret the decision while trying to reach 100

[twilit mountain]

You have 4 more challenges to do, soldier

[sand wigeon]

i loved this guys books when i was a kiddo

[jade jackal]

i wanna see if any of you terminally online know this deep cut

[lethal bane]

When I shaved my head I got compared to him, lol

[desert jasper]

I don't wanna

[sand wigeon]

amazing

i love that he chose that image to put on his book

that was intentional

what a gem of a person

[sudden anchor]

i mean my copy of the capital is divided by about 730 sites - its ofc the widely used shorter version, summarized by some dude. i was approaching it a few years ago, as i was interested in learning about communism, a rater fascinating topic, as it might be a contender to capitalism, which is almost unelievable in where i live. but i see how marx understood alot of not only communism, hes an interesting person. i can definitly apply his knowledge alot in this world too. and even if it's just his words, which better describe what we are seeing. but also, i wanna see how the critics are right - some stuff is outdated or we know more today. but i still havent finished it, can't say too much about it yet. and even if i did, i would probably have to read again, as i sometimes get my thoughts elsewhere, but its sufficient enough for me. im like 97% concentrated while reading.
sometimes it still feels dry, but i have seen a video, which motivated me about this - some philosoph reading books not because he likes to read, but basically he treats it as work.

[sand wigeon]

that is called being a graduate student

[twilit mountain]

Holy lack of formatting

[lethal bane]

Are you just not readinf rhe book itself????

[sand wigeon]

pirating in the most complicated way possible

isn’t that book literally on the gutenberg archives

[twilit mountain]

It's on many archives

[sand wigeon]

just read it for free ong

[sudden anchor]

? idk, why youre asking, if im reading the book.

[twilit mountain]

Oh I hate modern gaming....
Saw a cool looking game on Steam... recommended GPU is a 4080.

[sand wigeon]

because you’re not making any sense

[sand wigeon]

what game

[twilit mountain]

Enginefall

[sand wigeon]

ew. engines and shit. those are for nerds

i drive my muscle car and make the nerdy mechanic twink boy in my gay romance book of a life fix it whenever it breaks

this is the future karl marx dreamed of

[lethal bane]

You're talkinf about 730 sites. I just grab a PDF, EPUB, or read it directly on some host. You're talkinf about reading a shorter, summarized version by someone else

[sand wigeon]

this

[sudden anchor]

i rather have a book to read from than read on screen, if possible.

[sand wigeon]

what

[neon sigil]

🐴 man I'm excited for the poe2 reveal.

[lethal bane]

I'm asking you this question because you said your copy is divided by 730 different sites. The version you are reading is a summarized and shorter version, not the unabridged version

[desert jasper]

I'm kinda looking forward to it

[neon sigil]

🧙‍♂️ once the league ends I'll have a few days to use the gear I gathered for my standard health stacker too. I'm hoping it'll pass the time til league start.

[abstract karma]

i would say they are better at showing they are dumb because nobody reads tons of comments in other web-medias..

[neon sigil]

I want to vaal this, but I'm scared xD

[desert jasper]

smh not even max dex roll

[abstract karma]

back to pre-rendered graphic games ?

[neon sigil]

😔 life roll is only at 9% instead of 10% too.

[sand wigeon]

maybe if we optimized our damn games

[desert jasper]

Can't do that
must shove in AI stuff to get in more "fps"

[sand wigeon]

I LOVE AI UPSCALING YEEEAH I LOVE AI GENERATED FRAMES YEEEAH

[abstract karma]

it will never happen.. same as never happens that over-use of any hardware component within IT as years and years goes..

[desert jasper]

rip

[abstract karma]

Our only hope is get hit by some Big BANG to wake up industry once again

gaming is slowly saved by indies

[sudden anchor]

oh, i meant pages, not sites. haha. its benedikt kautskys shorted version of the capital

[lethal bane]

OHHHH, ok

[desert jasper]

Anyway, it's past 11pm so I should go and get some sleep
probably

[lethal bane]

I was wondering how you managed to track 730 sites lmfaoooo

[fierce moth]

Yes. It just too far so far. 🙂‍↕️

Slept 5h, better than yesterday :)

I'm not sure which career can I do else if I can't go "join in a team to make a game"

[lethal bane]

Become a cheese monger

[fierce moth]

Well... Be alive at first

[lethal bane]

Study mycology

[fierce moth]

r/art re-open

[fierce moth]

Well, 8GB RAM is as cheap as usual

You need a free 64 GB RAM at first

[gilded elm]

Reddit unfortunately stopped being being a good place for intellectual conversations and knowledge after 2014-2015. Prior to that, yeah it was quite good. A growing audience and greedy leadership over time ended up significantly reducing the average intelligence on the platform.

Reddit Karma is a bit like democracy. It works great when the people engaging with it are well-informed and intelligent, but it eventually degenerates when the willfully ignorant are allowed to participate in those democratized systems.

I don't think Reddit would be a good dataset for LLMs to train for knowledge. That's not to say it wouldn't be a good dataset for other purposes, I just don't think it'd be good for the intelligent application of knowledge.

Any way, old topic but was a bit surprised by the comment mostly because I've been using Reddit since 2009 and I've been around to see how the platform "evolved" as it got bigger.

[real charm]

I think chatgpt is using reddit as a source of information.

Actually, it's the biggest source of information it uses.

[gilded elm]

It wouldn't surprise me if most of ChatGPT and any other major proprietary LLM's Reddit training data predates the Reddit API changes.

[real charm]

Yeah, as soon as I understood Reddit was answering AI, my confidence in AI for anything dropped to negative.

Reddit algorithms reward fast posting and 'accepted truth'.

If the false 'accepted truth' gets mass upvotes even if someone tried to correct them, they will get brigaded with downvotes.

Long-time Redditors don't bother to correct anyone on Reddit because it isn't even rewarding for how Reddit works.

[gilded elm]

This graph lacks some specific nuance that completely changes the meaning of "uses Reddit for information"

[real charm]

Yeah, it says citation.

[gilded elm]

Even if you scope LLM responses to "citations" that's not meaningfully showing that Reddit is a "big" source of information. Are the citations the product of retrieval-augmented generation from Google/Reddit search tool calls, or is it citing old training data?

[real charm]

I see that even an SEO company is there, hmm

[gilded elm]

Keep in mind one of the main reasons Reddit changed their API access to be more restrictive/limited/non-existent is precisely because of companies like OpenAI training on a scraped dataset.

[real charm]

I remember it affecting my third party client.

[gilded elm]

Like I said, that can be attributed to greedy leadership for the most part, but also yeah companies like OpenAI saw all of that free data and capitalized on it.

[real charm]

Didn't Facebook get into trouble for using a pirate site to train their AI with every book hosted there

[gilded elm]

Dunno, but it wouldn't surprise me. When you're a company like OpenAI, Meta, Google etc, it's a lot easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, especially in an emerging space with a lot of legal ambiguity.

[gilded elm]

I noticed the fine print claiming the source of this study was Semrush. They are one of the oldest SEO companies.

Without a link to the specific study, I assume Semrush was doing this study so they could rank sites for potential backlink value.

[real charm]

Most likely, yeah.

[gilded elm]

e.g. "Reddit is most cited so having Reddit backlinks is good"

[real charm]

Probably, after all it's their niche

[gilded elm]

So even though Reddit is probably not a good source for intellectual information, it is still a very large and accessible platform where having backlinks back to your site could drastically increase your SERPs and drive more traffic to you.

I feel like I know more about SEO than I'd like... been subscribed to r/SEO for a very long time lol. It used to be mostly "omg the last Google update completely deranked me and killed my entire business" and now a lot of the conversations are focused around LLMs, using LLMs, how to look like you aren't using LLMs, etc

[real charm]

Well, now depends on the questions asked. I think that many people use chat gpt as google searches. So questions with easy answers can be answered using reddit data

[gilded elm]

Yeah I'm in r/ChatGPT too (as well as other AI-related subreddits) because it's a topic of interest for me and I often get a chuckle out of how end-users fundamentally don't understand LLMs and it creates this huge disconnect between expectations and actual results. Granted, ChatGPT as a consumer platform is a grossly inefficient way to interact with LLMs and OpenAI hasn't done a good job at optimizing that experience.

Okay this one is actually funny lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1p96mzv/digital_inbreeding/

Basically sums up using generated outputs as inputs for subsequent generations.

It's actually kind of interesting to think about in the context of sourcing datasets for training new models in a time when AI-generated content is already so widespread. Datasets that contain AI-generated content are a risk to the model's training lol

Out of curiosity, I'm exploring this a bit with Claude and it's very interesting. I love reading about stuff like this:

[fierce moth]

D4 is on the same day with Poe 2 for the latest league?

Lol Poe 2 full of drama

Le is the 1st one, it's D4's turn this time

This month is quite busy if I want...

[fierce moth]

I'm surprised Pinterest is the least one

People use AI to generate short posts to get more influence on LinkedIn? Like the logic of building more commerical accounts on social medias?

Anyways I'm afraid of posting something on LinkedIn because too many pros in game industry there. My contents are baby level for them

[jovial bane]

I don't get using chatGPT as google personally. Oh great, now I have to google anyway to find out whether the AI answer is an answer or hallucination.

Gemini already irks me, although the links to the sources make it somewhat digestible

[warped wren]

You can open those links and see just how often the information it states actually matches what's on the page

(Spoiler, not often)

[jovial bane]

yup

[sand wigeon]

I don’t get using AI

Just in general

LLM’s are great when used properly, look at DougDoug for tons of cases where using them for content is cool

But in everyday life? I just don’t see it

[jovial bane]

I guess google AI summary is helpful, because I did not have to click through multiple sites ... assuming it actually displays correct information.

What was the error margin for "AI" again ? 30% ?
That's insane it gets greenlight with error margin so massive.

[maiden widget]

Big assumption with how bad it was early though

[jovial bane]

Well yes, it's a very big assumption. Even though I think rn it usually displays the overview correctly ? IDK I don't look at what it spews out most of the time.

[sand wigeon]

Please seek help

That's not how mental illness works

You can't just "cure" the things psychologists handle lol

Then you need a therapist or a new hobby

Human connection

Not an unthinking, unfeeling answer-response machine that affirms anything you say

Dear lord

[fierce moth]

Chinese school + family are good at producing mental patients

[sand wigeon]

You need an actual therapist is what you need

[gilded elm]

I do think that psychological dependence on AI is starting to become a big enough issue that LLM basics should be compulsory education everywhere.

It's really important to establish the fundamentals of LLMs because IMO it's extremely dangerous when people (in ignorance) start to form emotional attachments to them.

[sand wigeon]

Derealization used to be cool now it's just falling in love with a rock

[gilded elm]

The thing is that I get the impression a lot of people who fall into this trap have some spark of hope or belief that there is reciprocity with the language model. They think it's a two-way street.

[sand wigeon]

It is not

[jovial bane]

rock ? echh, not quite.
It's magic 8 ball

[sand wigeon]

I'm all for artificial intelligence being real people, when they actually have thoughts and feelings and think and LLM's will never be that lol

[jovial bane]

of course they won't, they fail the fundamental 1st step of thinking

[gilded elm]

Forming emotional attachments to objects is a perfectly okay thing to do in general, but when you are forming attachments to things where the line between "object" and "person" is blurred (in this case, out of ignorance) then that can potentially lead to disastrous and tragic outcomes.

[sand wigeon]

All humans project their experiences onto unhuman things

But it's to a great degree for already ill people thanks to it "responding"

[jovial bane]

LLM's are really just sophisticated algorithms that are designed to look like it understands what you are saying

[sand wigeon]

And if you needed an AI to tell you to try journaling then you need a lot more than just an AI

[sudden anchor]

Feel like this is a response to me stating writing a book. I havent said ai recommended me this tho.

[sand wigeon]

Then you're experiencing something called a language barrier

Because you said you were writing your feelings down and that you were writing a book

Which like, join the club buddy

[sudden anchor]

Yea, can be. Feel like its niche to have people fall in love with ai. Does anyone know someone like that personally? What are they like? Easily gullible, etc?

[gilded elm]

Yes, a lot of people in r/ChatGPT

[sand wigeon]

There's not really any helping those people because at some point they need to have a willingness to choose differently

[gilded elm]

Which again, more evidence of how utterly dumb modern Reddit is.

[jovial bane]

considering the entire Reddit model is basically promoting affirmation and punishing opposing thoughts ? Yes

[gilded elm]

By the way, there's a free software called SillyTavern which a lot of people use to create their own AI characters for storytelling, narration etc. But another facet of that is companionship. Some people use SillyTavern to create AI companions with full speech support and even Live2D support.

[sand wigeon]

That's so odd to me

Like, just make the character yourself

Unrelated to the weird emotional dependency stuff

[jovial bane]

Sounds cool on paper, problem is all the characters are all the same.

[gilded elm]

I actually see it the other way around, but I suspect that's because my creative skills in storytelling, worldbuilding, character development etc are non-existent. I can see the appeal from a "I like to consume stories" perspective, to have some means to play out those high-level ideas. It's the companion side that is a bit weirder to me.

[sand wigeon]

Then it's not for you and you need to understand that

Same with AI art

"Art"

Sometimes, it's just not your thing, especially if you don't put the effort into learning

[jovial bane]

I kind of want to try it out, just to see what it will spew out and how far it would differ from something I'd make myself

But that sounds like massive waste of time

[gilded elm]

I actually don't even disagree. That is to say, I don't think that this would put me on a path to becoming better at those things. Just like I don't think vibe coding is a good way to learn to code in general.

[sudden anchor]

If i went down that route - instead - what would have changed? There were thoughts involved i wouldnt want to share with others. I think talking to people helps too, seems like me sharing "ai helped me" sounded like its me being solely reliant on it.

[sand wigeon]

There are much better ways to learn than stilted foundations

I think any usage of AI is inherently morally reprehensible.

[gilded elm]

I think AI-enhanced workflows have a lot of potential, but specifically for people who are already skilled in their craft.

[sand wigeon]

Additionally, the fact that you "aren't willing to talk about" kinda shows you're not looking to actually improve

[jovial bane]

Sharing thoughts with others and having an actual, thought provoking response is the massive difference

[sand wigeon]

Fr

[jovial bane]

Especially when it comes to difficult topics

[sand wigeon]

Talking to an AI feels good because AI's are intended to affirm your beliefs and feelings no matter what

They won't look you in the eye and tell you you're being stupid and need to snap out of it

lol

[sudden anchor]

They do if you tell them.

[sand wigeon]

Oh my gods

[jovial bane]

I don't think they are intentionally made to affirm your beliefs. It's just something that work, so they stuck to it.

[sudden anchor]

I appreciate your honesty btw

[jovial bane]

.
You've pretty much rode past the point

[sand wigeon]

If I were being honest I would likely get banned from this Discord server

Let's be real

[gilded elm]

You could certainly mess around with the parameters and make it more confrontational, aggressive, hostile etc. And if you were going to use an LLM for any kind of emotional support, you absolutely should be setting some very strong system prompts that challenge you. But I would still caution against seeking any kind of therapy (no matter how trivial) from an LLM.

[sudden anchor]

Well, maybe you should work on that then.

[sand wigeon]

Who are you even saying that to

[jovial bane]

The point is not acting like you want them to act. Telling them to do something, and they act on it is literally the opposite of human interaction

[sand wigeon]

Yep

They're still affirming you by the fact that you have to "tell" them to act that way

That's still affirming you

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and that's fine for most things, just not from a real companion or therapist. You want a real human who is invested in you.

[sudden anchor]

The point is you get actually useful stuff out of it. Doesnt matter if it has to be told to act certain ways or not. Real people arent that much different, you choose your circles.

[sand wigeon]

You don't get useful anything out of it

The most useful shit it spouts out are statements you could find online with the lowest effort search

They won't do what licensed, professional therapists do

[jovial bane]

It's basically the dangers of self diagnosis.

[sand wigeon]

People who have degrees and a brain and can actually break down emotional processes and move you through them

[gilded elm]

I wonder if Dr K's done a cautionary video about LLM therapy yet

[sand wigeon]

As someone who is extremely mentally ill, I can 100% say that no matter what way I could possibly alter an LLM, using it for therapeuting services would definitely make everything worse

[sudden anchor]

The ai is trained on that stuff, its based on real psychologists work. And to say it didnt help me and i need a therapist, is quite ignorant.

[gilded elm]

It's very possible you were helped.

[sand wigeon]

Much less if it goes and tries to diagnose me. I'm self-aware enough to know my problems but not want to treat them as fact until I see a proffessional, think about what would happen to someone who isn't as well educated on these dangers

[gilded elm]

But you were also harmed in the process.

[sand wigeon]

I didn't say it didn't help you, I said you needed licensed help

I am also helped by beating the shit out of a punching bag but at the end of the day I still need to talk about my feelings too, and not just vent them

[gilded elm]

Because even though it might have helped you, that also reinforced a dangerous idea in your mind.

And later harm might manifest from that.

[jovial bane]

Yep, basically you've self diagnosed yourself with the help of the AI.

[sudden anchor]

That could very well be.

[gilded elm]

You are already saying dangerous things by saying things that blur the line between AI and human with phrases like "AI has to be told how to behave, so do humans"

[sand wigeon]

Which like.

Not true?

I can tell a person to act a certain way and that doesn't mean they will

I can tell a person to agree with me or disagree with me and that doesn't mean they will

[sudden anchor]

If i ask ai about what its thinking about your statements, i think it would agree with you.

[sand wigeon]

Especially since AI always responds. That's a big thing.

Some of the treatments required for quite a few mental illnesses are a lack of a response

Thanks to a human behavior inherently designed to try and draw out a reaction

[sand wigeon]

Because it affirms anything you suggest to it, yes.

AI do not think, they do not process

They are no different than the autocorrect on your phone

And that's not an exaggerration, it's just an autocorrect algorithm that can pull from a large database of what the next word should be

[gilded elm]

Your lack of education for LLMs should not elevate them to "magic" as mysterious as human cognition. So when you make such comparisons, it demonstrates either an underappreciation for human cognition or an overappreciation for LLM cognition, or both.

Trust me, LLMs are not magical.

[sand wigeon]

LLM's are literally an answer-response machine

[jovial bane]

pretty much everything machine learning is

[sand wigeon]

Do we know EVERY fine detail on how LLM's work? No. But we definitely know enough to get the overview.

[gilded elm]

LLMs are also entirely stateless, btw. It has no concept of memory or understanding. Every time you send a chat message to an LLM, you are sending the entire conversation + your message, from scratch.

[maiden widget]

I think companies should be regulated to not make these models almost para social and affirming whatever you say by default

[sand wigeon]

Agreed

[gilded elm]

For sure

I think we're due for some major AI regulations.

Speaking as a pro-AI dude

[sand wigeon]

I think AI should be put down as an industry I'm NGL

Like outside of itself, it's so damaging to virtually every industry now

[jovial bane]

I think we should have servitors instead of abominable intelligence :^)

[sand wigeon]

From web design to game design to artistry to even normal conversation

Much less the nightmares of safety concerns AI has brought about

[gilded elm]

The reality is that LLMs are useful. Very useful, in fact. Their potential applications in their current state may have been greatly exaggerated, though. My point being, LLMs are here to stay and they will very likely become a bigger part of our daily life over time, even if the hype dies down (which I hope it does)

[jovial bane]

I think it has some place in games, but that's a broad topic full of nuances

[sand wigeon]

I will never use an LLM lol

We do not need to add an LLM to a sparkling water company's website

[sudden anchor]

The way i see it, people usually live in their own bubbles, depending largely on culture, education, emotional intelligence, politics. So getting a thought provoking input from friends might become hard, as with time you keep sharing individual perspectives forming one entity basically. I mean you could find new stuff in solitude too, i find myself doing that often, so its not to say you cant learn from friends. But in a similar way its good to talk with strangers on internet especially, since they are often raw, as they dont need to tender to your feelings like real people basically.

[sand wigeon]

You just stated that you've only ever integrated yourself into echo chambers lol

My friends and I disagree almost 24/7

[sudden anchor]

Its good to reach out to the vast knowledge of the internet.

[gilded elm]

I could see the smaller purpose-built models for devices or other specific software being a lot more common over time.

[sand wigeon]

I don't consider that LLM's as they are now anyway

There's a lot of seperation between how they're used and created now versus a small team renting a framework to purpose build something

The issue is that since the AI industry is backed entirely by investors, AI needs to keep expanding to meet investor wants

That's why AI is just in eeeverything

[sudden anchor]

I was scared of sharing stuff, from rejection.

[jovial bane]

IMO it's a borderline massive scam thanks to misleading name

[sand wigeon]

When it doesn't need to be

[sand wigeon]

More reason you need a therapist

Rejection is part of life

[gilded elm]

Fair, yeah LLMs are usually the models with billions of parameter and mostly proprietary like OpenAI, Google. There's plenty of smaller models that are still very useful and fast to run locally.

[sand wigeon]

Sometimes I don't agree with my friends and sometimes they don't agree with me

That's life

[jovial bane]

Yeah, and healthy relationship means accepting we don't agree and moving on

[sand wigeon]

That's part of respecting someone

[sudden anchor]

Feel like im on a good way now. Therapists are needed for people in worse places. I am happy about the small things, i build connections, basically im on the right path - a i personally feel. Could that feeling be wrong? Idk, i would have to have some shizophrenic disorder lol

[sand wigeon]

I will be frank

Everyone should see a therapist.

Whether it's one every six months or once a week.

Everyone should see a therapist.

There is no "too good" for a therapist.

[sudden anchor]

Yea, thats what i was reading in your responses. I was like if she thinks i need a therapist, everyone does.

[sand wigeon]

Additionally, you are only ever temporarily-abled.

And often you can't tell you're becoming ill until you already are.

[gilded elm]

Can you recall when you learned about Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)?

[sand wigeon]

And you don't need a shizophrenic disorder to delude yourself lol

[jovial bane]

yeah, no

[sand wigeon]

You are not better than anyone else

Nor healthier

[jovial bane]

Sometimes you can trick yourself you don't need it

[sand wigeon]

That's the reality at the end of the day

[jovial bane]

And in fact you do

[sand wigeon]

Also, Christ, way to disrespect people with schizophrenic disorders

People with shizophrenic disorders are not some insane creature who believes every falsitude

[gilded elm]

I listened to people for a long time who used to say "you don't need ADHD medication, they only turn you into a zombie" and then I got a prescription. Honestly changed my life.

[sand wigeon]

Often they are entirely aware they are deluded but can no longer tell apart what's real, schizophrenic disorders are horrifying. You suffer in your mind, unsure what's real, unsure how to seek help because your own brain and instincts are telling you it's dangerous.

[jovial bane]

And that's speaking from experience, I vividly remember talking to psychologist years ago and saying I'm fine then being dumbfounded by learning that no. Suicidal thoughts are not normal. I'm a lot better though.

[sand wigeon]

And you don't need to be having suicidal thoughts to need help, either

Or to be ill

[jovial bane]

yep

don't ignore the symptoms

[sand wigeon]

That's another thing I see, depressed people going "well I don't want to hurt myself" and that magically means they're okay

[fierce moth]

2025 Christmas decorations from the most famous shopping mall here

[gilded elm]

I also realized with the benefit of hindsight that I used to engage in specific behaviors in response to my mental condition. Lots of coping that I didn't really think was coping at the time.

[sand wigeon]

You still have malls???

Goddamn

I haven't seen a mall in forever

[jovial bane]

That ball looks nice

[jovial bane]

In EU we have them as well.
They are quite popular

[maiden widget]

I hate malls but this one looks pretty cool and interesting to be in

[sudden anchor]

Unsure what you mean/if i understood it, as in learned about it, but as a kid about 20 years ago or recently, if you mean this ai stuff, about 1 year ago

[gilded elm]

I was just curious when you were introduced to the concept, if at all. Was it in school, then?

[fierce moth]

Change an angle.

Yes shopping malls still the main place for people here to take photos and be chill.

[sand wigeon]

Malls have pretty much died in the States

Well

All social places have

The only remaining social spaces for adults are bars

It's cool to see malls still around

[fierce moth]

Lots of young girls here 🤣 self-portrait

[jade jackal]

I used to be a mallrat as a kid, spent most of my time at the arcade

[jovial bane]

I've seen a video that attributed it to the placement.
The mall I've shopped at the most during my uni years was at the train station like 20 minutes walk away

[desert jasper]

There's a mall very close to me
I don't really like going there unless necessary

[sand wigeon]

(At least where I live. There are things to do for toddlers and then teens, but the moment you hit eighteen social spaces completely erode. Bars are there for adults but that's pretty much it, and that means kids eighteen to twenty-one are left without any options)

[sudden anchor]

Yea, must have been in first year of school. I was extremly reluctant to visit school (kindergarten too) Somehow they ended up palcing a desk in Front of the classroom i was intended to go to. My mom told me later it was only on the days she was going to work

[fierce moth]

Catch a unsleepy Derrick

[sand wigeon]

Who needs school, anyway. Just don't go, like me! /s

(Please, if there is anyone still in school reading this, go to school.)

[desert jasper]

Yeah, that's a problem here too
So a lot of young adults end up quite lonely

[sand wigeon]

Yep

[desert jasper]

hard to meet new people

[sand wigeon]

Like, I put in lots of effort to trying to find social groups to be a part of

[jovial bane]

🚬

[sand wigeon]

I search constantly

[jovial bane]

Don't remind me

[gilded elm]

It's what helped me to deal with some of that fear of rejection type of negative thoughts.

[sand wigeon]

There are no options

And I never had any friends when I was a kid because I couldn't go outside or to school or anything, so there's no remnants or anything either

The social erosion of not just the States, but quite a few places, is both fascinating and deeply saddening

[gilded elm]

CBT helps me to recalibrate and recognize the absurdity of my negative thoughts by interrogating them.

[jovial bane]

basically the disease of modern societies

[sand wigeon]

@twilit mountain Could also likely talk about social erosion in this area

[desert jasper]

There was an attempt by the town to sponsor a group to organize something to do for young adults that didn't involve alcohol etc
and it kinda worked but it wasn't getting enough people and some people thought it's for getting dating company etc

[fierce moth]

Oh I want to go to arcade again... It's...a thing 14 years ago

[sand wigeon]

That's another symptom

The overtime conclusion in the states that if you're not with someone, you're failing

Which means meeting people has automatically become a way to meet a partner

[jovial bane]

Shame that most malls I've seen had just clothes. My fav place to hang out in the mall was staring at the board games.

[jade jackal]

yeah, my time is a... a little before that

[fierce moth]

Oh wait sorry I read it as theme park or amusement park

[sand wigeon]

There's this really cool bar in my state

Called Arcadia

It's an arcade-bar fusion

[gilded elm]

@sudden anchor And to be clear, I don't think the act of you sharing what you have is shameful in any way. I think there are better ways to approach your issues, but I think you being honest and sharing is cool regardless and you should keep doing that. So whatever fear of oversharing that you may have had, I feel I can safely say is and was unfounded.

[jade jackal]

Gaming bars is something i have near me

Never went there, oddly, I dont feel much connected to this culture

[jovial bane]

I think it's also kind of natural

[sand wigeon]

As someone who hates committed relationships, it sure ain't for me

Sure ain't natural, I mean

But that's pretty normal given I'm young and have other things to be focusing on than relationships

[desert jasper]

Tbh I kinda hate the assumption that if you want to hang out with someone you're interested in them in that way

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

It sucks

Much less the erosion of complicated relationships

People are now sorted into "friends" or "lover"

There's little space for inbetweens

[gilded elm]

flover?

[desert jasper]

I just want to hang out with someone whose company I enjoy
exchange ideas, maybe just relax, sit in silence

[sand wigeon]

I've definitely had relationships (as a general term) that aren't romantic or anything but also definitely aren't just "friends"

[gilded elm]

bestie?

[sand wigeon]

Again, not really just a friend

[jade jackal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love

[fierce moth]

The sticker is cute hhhh

[sand wigeon]

There's words for it but I can't remember them right now

My point is that there's also an erosion of complicated relationships, at least in the continental West, where things need to be categorized and defined

[fierce moth]

I have zero relationship here

[gilded elm]

As in, there is a decreasing tolerance for ambiguity in relationships? I wouldn't really know tbh, are there events that could be attributed as the cause of this?

[fierce moth]

No idea how people make friends and go outside to hang out

[gilded elm]

You meet people in places you like to hang out. The hard part is actually starting a conversation.

[jade jackal]

Log out

[sand wigeon]

The hard part is finding spaces

[jade jackal]

seriously, logging out of social media and internet scrolling

[sand wigeon]

I can start conversations just fine but legitimately there are no spaces where I live

[sand wigeon]

And like, there's nothing to do if you aren't online

This advice isn't applicable for everyone

Especially if you live in an environment that's possibly hostile to you

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I was just about to say that too. These days are not like the days of old where the only outlet for entertainment and hobby existed outdoors.

[jade jackal]

If you live in a city area, there's plenty to go and to do, just gotta find those places and push yourself to go out

[sand wigeon]

Such as quite a few LGBTQ folk

[sand wigeon]

This is still not true lol

@twilit mountain Please talk about how we live in a city area and this is not true with me

[gilded elm]

Depends on the city area, but "city area" in the US can mean a lot of things.

[jade jackal]

Not everywhere is friendly, but things in reality are a lot friendlier than what they might seem

The internet cripples us

Even if it takes a bit of driving to a location

[sand wigeon]

No

I mean there is literally nothing to do

There is nowhere to go

[jade jackal]

If you're in bellybutton-nowhere, a bit of tough luck

[sand wigeon]

I am in the middle of a city

[gilded elm]

In general, life in the US is not "big city" like in Korea or Japan. We don't mix residential and commercial, we don't live in the middle of everything with 24 hours access to any kind of hobby or activity outdoors.

[twilit mountain]

We are less than 45 minutes from the largest city in the state and the only things there are bars lmao

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[gilded elm]

The US is a big country with a lot of empty land. We're spread out thin in most places.

[sand wigeon]

Mm

And the population in some areas is also extremely old

Leaving young adults nowhere to go

[fierce moth]

I can say I live in a poor village which far away from city area so hard to touch different people...No job is a plus

[twilit mountain]

We do be in the state with the oldest (by ratio) population and the whitest

[sand wigeon]

White dirtbag is practically our motto

[jade jackal]

I guess im lucky to live in a metropolitan area with tons of activities

[sand wigeon]

Yes, you are

[twilit mountain]

I used to, going on 10 years since I left it though

[gilded elm]

Yeah there are very few places like that in the US, and almost of all of them are high cost of living.

[jade jackal]

i moved here relatively recently, i grew up in a relatively small mountain town, i was a bit of a nature boy

[jovial bane]

I live in the middle of nowhere as well, so the only possible hobby here is drinking or working out I guess

[sand wigeon]

LA, New York City, Sante Fe, Boston, California in general, Houston…

Dallas

San Antonio

[fierce moth]

More activities = more life cost

[sand wigeon]

I might be moving to New York City a few years down the line but that’s far away

[twilit mountain]

Gods I love Boston.

[jovial bane]

If I were in the city the free time activities open up, but it's not that easy

[jade jackal]

Work is a great way to move into city areas

[gilded elm]

I often miss living in Korea. I could just leave my home any hour of the day and find some place to go have fun and meet new people.

[sand wigeon]

Wanna move to Boston

[jovial bane]

ironically I stay in the middle of nowhere because I found work as opposed to "big" city lol

[twilit mountain]

I can't afford that

[sand wigeon]

I’ll get rich, it’s fine

My dream is to one day run a cafe-bookshop that’s only open at night

[fierce moth]

I'm killing myself by creating artwork + playing games because zero chance for me to get income from these fields in this city.

But anyways, no way to go because no job will allow me to have time and energy to do my career so why not select what am I want to do at last

[sand wigeon]

I’m just going to go into whatever makes good money

So probably private security or real estate

[fierce moth]

Everything which make good money needs my skills or special licenses or special education background

[sand wigeon]

Thankfully private security and real estate do not

[sudden anchor]

Thank you for this! And for challenging my thoughts everyone. Sometimes i was feeling like i overshared, but not today. It was a good practice to - for a lack of better english words - decrease the amount of fs i give.

[gilded elm]

Indeed, save your passion for your hobbies, but be willing to do a job you don't necessarily like. It's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in, but I think it's one of the healthier mentalities to live within it.

[sand wigeon]

Private security is much more about experiencing in the field and background and real estate is sales and can be learned through apprenticeship programs

[fierce moth]

I guess you mean agent/salesman?

[sand wigeon]

Yes

And property management

[fierce moth]

KO. I can't speak words clearly and fluently

[sand wigeon]

Eh, I can’t either

Well

Okay to clarify

Talking out loud actively stresses me out because I’m a selective mute

I just deal with that stress later though

I can get through my job just fine before I feel the affects

Aside from that I am very good with my words, talking to people and a very good salesman

[fierce moth]

I have took interviews about salesman... I'm sure I can't do that because it requires you speaks all day. And speak to different people, help them to understand something

[sand wigeon]

You just need to help them understand why you’re offering the best thing you can for them

Which always so happens to be the best thing for yourself

[fierce moth]

But if I can handle salesman, I don't think I can't build my life on my artworks. Can promote yourself in a friendly way is a skill too

Different ways have different pities, my pity is I can't know how to use PC to paint something earlier

[desert jasper]

I kinda hate face to face salespeople
Was talking with my neighbor outside the building, next to our door
and one comes in asking "Hey are you guys locals?"
and then starts trying to sell us a contract

[blissful token]

It was because of all these salesperson that i was shunned away when i was merely approaching to ask for direction copium

Very bad feel

[fierce moth]

Income or art, 1 in 2.

Sigh. Not a good income with high pressure because available jobs are at the bottom. Bosses just need employees whose listen their commands and willing to work overtime. I don't have anything special except my time and my health.

Well, no one want to sell them if a choice is available.

[blissful token]

Ya'all going for S4?

[blissful token]

I am working in this field and peepo makes me angy repeating shiet after shiet

[desert jasper]

of poe2?
Yeah
I think I'll give druid a spin
The transformation skills better be stronk
I wanna slap things as a bear

[blissful token]

I meant LE but okay

Idk if i have time for poe2

Though the bear tranformation is kinda cool

[desert jasper]

Yeah I'll probably play LE season 4

I hope it's more interesting than s3 was

[jade jackal]

S4 would be a good reason for me to farm for builds that still exist in S3 but i couldnt bother with

like the FG shield one

[desert jasper]

Yeah I was meaning to do shieldthrow build
but honestly I kinda got bored of S3

[sand wigeon]

Yeah

[gilded elm]

That's really cool. Shrooms are definitely on my list of "try at least once" just for the experience. I can relate to having profound moments from being different kinds of high lol.

[sand wigeon]

Remember, if someone gives you drugs for free, ALWAYS take them!

DO NOT DO THIS

[fierce moth]

I'm sure fried mushrooms I ate are huge different because my version is dehydrated mushroom clunks or sticks covered by oil. They're fried deeply so dehydrated. They're covered by oil because easy to save.

French dishes have similar ways I remembered but the ingredient is duck

[jade jackal]

We're talking about... different kinds of mushrooms here

[fierce moth]

Sure. The only idea I have on mushrooms is is it editable

I never see mushrooms in forest because it belong to an expensive experience in a city which people are everywhere but forest and lakes are poor

[gilded elm]

Heh, 40% of where I live is forest (Maryland)

[fierce moth]

It's why I'm tired at in-game urban landscapes

[desert jasper]

@twilit mountain someone in global just got 2 of these from Ultimatum

[fierce moth]

The fortune teller told me my life will quite tough for a while until 2027... Well I have no choices too. I must believe him.

I shared that thing here before. I remembered Wicked typed lots of words to tell me I can do that

[desert jasper]

Fortune tellers are scammers

[fierce moth]

My parents just know killing my confidence by repeating hurting words, complaint why I still can do nothing, 25 years old is very old for a marriage or a job blablabla.

The shortage of living with a traditional parents.

I can support myself by myself only

[desert jasper]

25 isn't "very old" for marriage or a job

[sand wigeon]

We’re taking about the type that get you high

Which are my favorite

Portobello’s are good too though

[fierce moth]

The only way for me to escape from them is meet more people, play more games, do more artworks, and keep the passion of life though my life is sucks

[sand wigeon]

Still basically a kid

[desert jasper]

Yes

[fierce moth]

I know it's quite negative, but I don't change my mind until I have the own home.

[sudden anchor]

I get it. Im trying to save for my own home too. I will start building next year. A tiny house, 15m2 max. I love to not live in big rooms. First they are a waste of space imo and its much cozier in smaller rooms

Want to make it partly self sustainable with solar/maybe wind, invest in good isolation - maybe triple glass windows with different thickness to cover diff frequencies. Using the space efficiently is what i daydream about. As i want it on wheels, weight etc is a factor aswell.

[fierce moth]

Well I want to rent a home only. Travel to different countries is my biggest dream

[jade jackal]

25 is barely out of the starter zone, dont take it too hard

[fierce moth]

I want to travel in all cities Hallow mentioned here

But America is quite strict for Chinese on travel visa so it's a country at the end

[jade jackal]

Don't let Americans hear this, but there's plenty of other wonderful places you can visit freely in Europe

in the baltics, in central europe, in scandinavia

[fierce moth]

Don't forget this server is owned by Americans

[desert jasper]

Also Finland

[fierce moth]

We can say this server is owned by people from all over the world

[jade jackal]

This server is owned by Discord incorporated lol

[fierce moth]

I want to say Judd is the owner, he is a American but not much difference. Your opinion make sense too

[jade jackal]

The Americans would forgive me, im sure

The bots are most definitely not american

[desert jasper]

Bot begone

[fierce moth]

<@&1161418687471956101>

The interesting detail is only the one in this channel is bold

[hot crown]

Unicode abuse to evade filters, I suppose.

[desert jasper]

Hit lvl 99

[jade jackal]

ill teach 10 persons how to farm corruption 10,000 and earn 300 million gold within 24 hours from the Merchants guild but you will level my characters to 100 first. Only interested people should apply

[abstract karma]

Dont copy text otherwise you will ve marked as hacked acc and deleted from channel

[jade jackal]

im never copying things verbatim dont worry

[fierce moth]

Hhhhhhhh

[maiden widget]

Imagine not just making money yourself and only taking 10% weak loser mindset

[fierce moth]

ill teach 10 persons how to farm 100 mirrors and earn 500 million divine orbs within 24 hours from the offline trade but you will level my characters to 100 first. Only interested people should apply.

Perfect

[fierce moth]

A high-end game laptop, a iPhone, a pillow, a bottle of water, an eye cover, and my ID/passport/Visa/master bank card.

It's enough for travelling to anywhere.

Oh a camera is a plus

[obtuse rune]

What about snacks. You'll need snacks

[fierce moth]

Skin care and snacks are what I will find in local supermarket and pharmacy

[fierce moth]

The only way to learn architectures is go to their location and obverse them by your eyes

[jade jackal]

Yeah, like how you learn playing guitar by going to concerts

[hot crown]

-# everyone, get in the van

👋

[real charm]

Pog

You can be a ||dragon||

leak from Chinese server

[desert jasper]

I'd rather not see leaks tbh

[real charm]

Then don't see it, it's a lot of conematic

[placid yarrow]

You kinda leaked by saying we can be a ||dragon|| lmao

That's why || spoiler text || exists

[real charm]

Fixed

Now you leaked it

[fierce moth]

oh druid is an elementalist + animal form hyrid class? Good to know

Then a series of new affixes will coming soon because animal form need them

Less than 4h left for learning more

[jade jackal]

Druids have always been an elementalist with metamorphosis

[abstract karma]

or use these divines to pay 5way grinding juice sessions

[sudden anchor]

today we can start playin druid in poe2??

[desert jasper]

no

[sudden anchor]

im tinkin of rerollin to a melee. wat does te fun class for you do differently in poe2, tat sticks out? and excuse my bad keyboard, 2 keys dont work most of te time

[desert jasper]

I've no idea really

I've only done Titan melee
and it's not that different or stick out that much really

[fierce moth]

Complete the update finally.

[desert jasper]

Already at 15% of 99
I have to say, it's going surprisingly fast

[junior oyster]

You already catching up with me

I'm at 50%

[desert jasper]

I even died once

Tried to do similacrum and it turns out
if you don't have enough dmg Kosis will just not die

So I left for a while to get some fresh air and when i came back he had killed me

Though I did only lose 2% from that death

Honestly I somehow expected you to be higher than 50%

[junior oyster]

Well I'm not playing as much as I should be I guess

Also not juicing maps

Just mainly trying to get 140% curr on 16.5s

[desert jasper]

I'm not even doing 16.5s

Simply because I don't like the special mods and I'm too lazy to read through a novel while playing

[junior oyster]

Tbf the special mods replace mods I don't like

On normal maps

[desert jasper]

You were... uhh
srs build, right?

[junior oyster]

I was yes

Due to a friend on tft server I'm now AW of something

It's way stronger but it did also cost around 50d lol

[desert jasper]

the ranged ones? or the self reflection one?

[junior oyster]

Ranged I believe

[desert jasper]

Yeah
They're strong
I just kinda wish I liked them better
but they're kinda stupid
or at least were last time I tried them
they just kept on firing at an enemy that was behind a wall

when there were closer targets

But yeah, since I can just ignore most mods I can safely run most maps
if they have the -block though I'm not running it
I can do no regen maps but they're not very comfortable to do tbh and I'll need to use a life pot

So currently I just run harbies, abyss (got the long abyss chain at the top), strongboxes and ritual
I'm honestly kinda thinking of throwing in beyond scarab instead of 2 stacks of harby scarabs
abyss seems like it's good for exp but it's not very fun to run in some maps when it just travels like half the map or more

[junior oyster]

I could probably do the same but I'll hate myself

[desert jasper]

Bah
downloaded the patch, launched the game
game says there's a patch
annd it's making me download the same patch again

[sudden anchor]

@fierce moth i mit ave a project for you. a small browserame is lookin for pixel artists. can i send you a dm to connect wit tem?

[fierce moth]

? Commission? sure

[sudden anchor]

i tink its free, but wo knows

[fierce moth]

!? I thought the poe 2 stream start in 1h later

[abstract karma]

why this new poe 2 trailer have music like from witcher 3 ?

so no unarmed druid scaling

[fierce moth]

...My internet is laggy or the stream is issued

[abstract karma]

probably both but more on their side

[fierce moth]

Ohhhhhh pretty looking forward to fight the mad wolf with wolf form

Wolf duel

[abstract karma]

idk if i caught whole trailer.. was there more than just druid showcase ?

[fierce moth]

my lord hhhhh

Let the world rain!

Summon rain is damn cool

I'd like to join in wet then shock club

[abstract karma]

totems build limited to chargers ? ugh

[fierce moth]

I want to play this build 🫡

[jade jackal]

I hate how good the Shaman looks like

F#@(%

[sudden anchor]

can someone sare te stream link?

[fierce moth]

Acolayte and shaman are new masteries from Druid?

[fierce moth]

https://www.twitch.tv/pathofexile

Vaal!

OHHHHHHH my lord

Seems that That maze gameplay come back!

[mental talon]

Holy shit is' Synthesis League

[fierce moth]

Yessssss! It's what I want to say!!!

[fierce moth]

⬆️

Damn I can enjoy that!?????!!! Quite shocking GGG know what I want to play

[mental talon]

Kalandra Synthesis Incursion hybrid

[jade jackal]

oh brother...

[desert jasper]

Bear looks cool

[jade jackal]

im unreasonably angry at how crazy this update looks

[abstract karma]

supreme.. less monsters while bigger drops chance - but WHO CARES i dont wanna run BIG EMPTY MAPS

[jade jackal]

But i can wait to 0.5.0

[fierce moth]

Appreciate that

[abstract karma]

welp while new "azoat" looks nice no new act so i will probably skip it..
also no new weapons if i dont count talismants which i wont be able re-use to different character

[jade jackal]

Those MTXs are something...

[desert jasper]

Man that hideout

[fierce moth]

Maybe hideout on wishlist +1

I'm waiting they post the full stream record

This league will very fun to play

I never imagine I'll think the same thing with GGG on endgame gameplay oen day. Damn, too damn

[desert jasper]

It's $90

[fierce moth]

Yes I can't afford any mtx in poe 2 obviously

[desert jasper]

Also got to 20% at 99 today
Seems like I could be done with 100 relatively fast 🤔

[fierce moth]

But maybe it can become the inspiration of next fan art. Who knows

I found a room in vaal maze can be the new inspiration from the stream just now but it's too fast to be disappeared, I don't capture that

I don't complete tq 2 again too. Busy busy busy busy busy...

[mental talon]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3883495

[abstract karma]

so it was still to op.. but what should pure evasion chars do if they can't rely even on such minimal buff..

[warped wren]

I am so glad I wasn't planning on playing 0.4 anyway

because if I had, this trailer would have completely killed off any desire

[twilit mountain]

They can roll some bloody dice like our savior Chris Wilson intended years ago

[neon sigil]

I wanna make a spear throw build now.

[twilit mountain]

Crab

[neon sigil]

Return to crab.
Still planning on skipping this league deias?

[twilit mountain]

Doubly so, patch brings me nothing

[warped wren]

it does bring you 100% inc thorns damage on Smith

[neon sigil]

ah rip, will miss ya.
It brought a ton of buffs to my standard build. So I'm gonna mess with that.
Are you still able to pass that gem back?

[twilit mountain]

I can, I haven't been able to reinstall yet on account of internet issues + had my laptop taken down for a bit over a day

[neon sigil]

Ah that sucks. I'm gonna be facing similar issues soon, have to get internet at the new apartment that I'm moving into. And they're not letting us add a line.

[twilit mountain]

Mine was purely just wireless connections being janky for some reason. Couldn't gget a stable connection to save my life, Steam updates were like 6x longer than they should have been and every PoE instance had like 500+ ping lmao

[mental talon]

It isn't exactly Battlemage like I was coping, but at least Shaman is close enough so I'll probably start that

Hope PoB gets updated sooner rather than later so I can start planning

[fierce moth]

I'm sorry to hear Deias and Anom will skip 0.4

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh 🤔

I'm a thinker 🤔

Deias get a duck, I get a banana

[fierce moth]

🤔 Yes here.

Blood tunnel. Very familiar.

[neon sigil]

Armour stacker shaman is what im gonna try to make.

[fierce moth]

First time to drink that. I like the flavour

[fierce moth]

Damn energy monster monster energy have lots of flavours...

330ml & 355ml & 473ml

But British version is 500ml

... 330ml is enough for me

...Alright Americans are more insane...710ml?!

[sand wigeon]

You don't understand how tired we are.

We drink it to feel alive. Not to feel good.

I've seen people shotgun multiple monsters back to back

[fierce moth]

I ordered one can per flavour I showed

cosmic peach one isn't available on the US official web, it's on UK coca Cola web only

I guess British are very tired too lol

🫠 Sorry to hear people from different countries have the common on this point

[placid yarrow]

Bad apple is goated

The lemonade one is also pretty good

[fierce moth]

lol I want to order bad apple but... "Nitro" attracted me

I will order that after I tried them 🫡

[sand wigeon]

I don't like Monster

It gives me headaches

Redbull doesn't so I just drink Redbull

[fierce moth]

I feel pretty good after I drunk monster lol

[twilit mountain]

Caffeine just makes me tired lol

[sand wigeon]

ADHD moment

I drink coffee to go to bed

[junior oyster]

I miss their Relentless brand and specifically apple and kiwi flavour

Also I stopped drinking energy drinks years ago

Aside from the occasional Irn Bru or lucozade

[junior oyster]

Only tired on Mondays and when I'm sick

[fierce moth]

I don't think caffaine will avoid me to feel tired if I want to sleep really

[junior oyster]

I don't get tired and have never drank coffee

Any form of coffee

I had a coffee toffee by accident and almost threw up

[fierce moth]

I tried to drink too much coffee to get overwhelmed caffeine to... but I'm failed and vomit for the whole night, That was the first time I know what happened if you lose too much potassium

Then I never drink coffee. Drunk it enough after that time (But I still want caffeine so I drink tea or milk tea)

[junior oyster]

StS2 is gaming most wanted

Damn that feels good lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DJ0eynbX4

[junior oyster]

I only drink milkless teas lol

Stuff like green/mint tea etc

And usually bitter too xd

[sand wigeon]

I drink coffee everyday

[sudden anchor]

Was it always that it made you sleepy?

[sand wigeon]

Yeah lol

It's pretty normal

[fierce moth]

New puzzles are amazing.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. ADHD thing.

[abstract karma]

hmm that thing doesnt makes you sleepy just nervous, you can't focus properly on one thing in longer period and mostly it's higher lvl of simple hyperactivity so your "energy should be bursting" if something

[sand wigeon]

No?

It doesn’t make me nervous. Just makes me tired.

[twilit mountain]

It's a very recorded thing that stimulants have a tendency to do the inverse for people with ADHD, dude

Also you dumbing it down to "can't focus on one thing in longer period" and "burst of hyperactivity" shows a gross misunderstanding of the diagnosis.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t really have many ADHD symptoms, so I’m not sure how true my diagnosis is, but stimulants definitely make me tired

[abstract karma]

yea nope but whatever.. whatever i simplified symptops or main aspect of this dioster its one of main aspects you should focus if you think might have one..
if you want better description ok we can go there:

• first point what i've described is basically YES you can't focus on longer tasks, you need litteraly make break otherwise you might lose concentration on such task and start doing something different and take while you go back to your previous task..

if you read that second part more carefully, ADHD can start from hyperactivity.. depends if you learn to controls your impuslive behaviour or not..
also depends on how hard your case is because either you are settled for ADHD-I Or type II

Type II primary elements is hyperactivity which means for kids for example that more energy they might to feel since they can't just settle down.. "hence" word "burst"

for adults they ussually are able control themselves more but its just shift to more problems - being nervous, inner anxieties and soon on

[sand wigeon]

ADHD does not “start”

ADHD is a genetic syndrome lol

[sudden anchor]

is type I not just ADD?

[sand wigeon]

It’s present from birth

ADD also doesn’t exist

And was reclassified into ADHD

[twilit mountain]

ADD was a misnomer for the same disorder presenting itself differently in different people

[sand wigeon]

Also how does any of this relate to caffeine making me sleepy and not energetic lol

[twilit mountain]

Similar to Asperger's getting reclassified into autism because.... it's just autism presenting differently lol

[abstract karma]

correction it doesnt now.. but ADHD had more categorization in the past

[sand wigeon]

No, it had wrong categorization

As we further understood ADHD we realized that these classifications were wrong

That is why they’re no longer used

[abstract karma]

no saying that's not true just saying that somebody might use it if they don't have current info..
It was used, and you could in past even find somebody which could use such word in your diagnose..

[sand wigeon]

Yes… That was my diagnosis…

Which was updated to ADHD…

I know what I’m talking about lol

I couldn’t diagnose it in others, I do not study it, but I know the history of ADHD and its affects because I have lived needing to learn it

[abstract karma]

"starts with symptoms" >.>

[jade jackal]

I am diagnosed with ADHD, and even have a correct diet to reduce my symptoms to zero, but im not sticking to it

[sand wigeon]

You need to learn English more fluently then

[twilit mountain]

I just suffer the consequences of my actions. Taken my meds 3 times this week, doing amazing

[sand wigeon]

Because what you said does not mean that

[abstract karma]

yea my english sucks more than Yoda..

[sand wigeon]

What you initially said is “you can develop ADHD from hyperactivity,” which implies something very different than this statement

Because practically EVERY condition “starts with symptoms,” yeah

[desert jasper]

You can cause yourself to have lower attention span
But you don't just "develop ADHD"

[twilit mountain]

Nub you, uh you got a little something on you there

[desert jasper]

Yes
It's terminal

[jade jackal]

in my case it just amplifies to 100% when im eating like crap, and reduces significantly while fasting / low blood sugar

[twilit mountain]

Damn

[jade jackal]

I do think my attention span got a shorter due to how the internet works, but im working on fixing it by reading more books

[sand wigeon]

I’m pretty confident mine was a misdiagnosis anyway, but I’ve still had to learn all about it because I supposedly had it

[abstract karma]

looks to me like old cassette before era cd music player

[sand wigeon]

I was diagnosed as a kid and I think at the time there were some other things causing that behavior instead

Though I also developed what is basically the exact opposite of ADHD later in life so maybe that’s just won out

[jade jackal]

im also finding that doing slower forms of art can help. sculpture, photography, color painting

[twilit mountain]

I know mine's accurate because I got myself re-tested twice in the past 5 years

[abstract karma]

sounds to me like a lot of ppl here have similar disorders

[jade jackal]

Only thing i suffer from as of late is typing completely different words to what i intend to write, but im not sure were that comes from

[sand wigeon]

ARPG’s do tend to appeal to a certain type of person

[sand wigeon]

Might just be a quirk

[abstract karma]

that depends..

[jade jackal]

blasting in ARPGs is something im noticing many people of particular liking to monotony like

sometimes me too

[abstract karma]

isnt FPS more balanced on that ?

[twilit mountain]

Don't worry, I'd be a Satisfactory player if my egg had cracked earlier in life

[jade jackal]

I liked my session in satisfactory

its quite a big task for a single person, but its cool watching the factory progresses over time

[twilit mountain]

FPS is a massive genre, there's more sub-genres to that than there are ARPGs in general

(Mild hyperbole)

[sand wigeon]

Hey, it’s in my library, feel free

[twilit mountain]

My laptop will cook itself if I try to boot that game

[sand wigeon]

Nah

I ran it on a laptop worse than yours just fine

[twilit mountain]

On the full release?

[sand wigeon]

No, but performance has actually gotten better, not worse

[twilit mountain]

Cuz I've seen current patch take 3090s to a slog once you're far enough in

[abstract karma]

@fierce moth why you post it there lol ?

[abstract karma]

meanwhile my now old school 3060M lol

[jade jackal]

I cheated my approach to this sort of equipment by showing lots of interest for hardware in highschool

which lead me to write about it professionally lol

which means i get to have that stuff

otherwise sheesh, i'd be working extra jobs just to fund gaming gear

[abstract karma]

well ok but #❔┃ask-the-community isnt place to even post it i would say 😄

[fierce moth]

I don't know where is the right place

[desert jasper]

They're playing All I want for christmas is you at the mall

[fierce moth]

They're talking about ADHD, I don't want to interrupt

[jade jackal]

ive heard she gets 3 million dollars every year for this song

[abstract karma]

i mean you could post it here as always, it was discussed here anyway

[jade jackal]

just from radio stations

[twilit mountain]

AGHHHH IT IS 3°F OUTSIDE :((((

[sand wigeon]

You’re not the one shoveling

Oh, maybe that’s why I’m in so much pain…

[fierce moth]

lol it's happened indeed...
The data is right, 19% will go to overwhelmingly negative.

[abstract karma]

44,78 F here.. i want winter not summer >.>

[sand wigeon]

That’s too warm for me

[abstract karma]

eversince helldrivers drama or something even previously.. ppl started use this steam review as only way to attack or adress something they globally dont like so i dont wonder about this results at all

[fierce moth]

Non-American: Sorry what the hell tamperature are they saying

[sand wigeon]

44 is like 5c

3f is like -22c?

[jade jackal]

-16

[fierce moth]

I think 10c is quite cold already

[sand wigeon]

44F =6.667 °C
3F =-16.111 °C

My autocorrect autofills it

If I type an equal sign

[sand wigeon]

I’m pretty comfortable in 3F degree weather

[abstract karma]

such temepratures where in my country when i was kid.. stupid Chaotic global warming and green energy which warms places even more..

[sand wigeon]

Green energy does not warm places more…

Global warming is causes by carbon, and green energy does not produce carbon.

[abstract karma]

solar energy does.. you know how many heat goes from it ?

[fierce moth]

10c is mean winter for me but 20c+ here at noon even December :(

[sand wigeon]

You’re a dumbass lol

[abstract karma]

also it takes green plains where would be fauna or trees or just some kind of plants on fields

[sudden anchor]

it does, but alot less

[sand wigeon]

Solar panels are most commonly placed in barren places or on pre-existing structures. Additionally, an energy plant would take the same amount of space as a solar field anyway.

[sudden anchor]

te production of it produces carbon, recyclin too

[sand wigeon]

Sun reflection caused by solar panels only has a high impact because our atmosphere has thickened with ancient carbon. We know this carbon isn’t a natural earthly response because it dates back a long time, it’s not new carbon, it’s carbon we’re burning.

Additionally, while trees and forests obviously matter, they’re not that important in regards to lessening climate change.

What is important is our ocean, and especially our algae, which industrial plant runoff, trash and pollution has severely damaged.

What we need to do is severely cut back on carbon burning and embrace neutral or green energy sources, such as nuclear power, solar power and wind power. Additionally, depending on the area, hydroelectric dams.

People are working to do this. It’s not that nothing is happening.

The problem comes from world governments subsidizing coal or other carbon power ~67% more than any other energy source over the last five years

There is very active lobbying by coal and oil barons to keep their resources needed above anything else so they can keep themselves rich

[abstract karma]

which people ? from what i've see it goes only on some parts of EAST and EUROPE others just use fossils type of energy generation

[sand wigeon]

This is not an invisible, ethereal problem, it is very obvious capitalistic ploying

[sand wigeon]

People. Everywhere. Small people. Scientists. Activists. The problem is that it is often not people in power who are working at this.

I encourage you to research your local politicians manifests and promises. You can likely find a PDF on their website or whatever that has a list of promises and statements that they are working on. It can be very interesting to Ctrl+F and search for terms such as “solar, wind, hydroelectric, nuclear,” etcetera.

I also encourage you to please research

I am uneducated. I never went to school, and I still know all of this because I have both wanted to and needed to learn this.

Please do the same, folk.

@twilit mountain insert Apple from Narcissist Cookbook here

[sudden anchor]

wat do you tink about tis: "reen enery, wile it dampens side effects, is not te solution to te underlyin problem, overconsumption"

[sand wigeon]

I think that’s stupid and that recognizing the failings of green energy does not need to equate to a suggestion that we should not pursue it

It is ideas put in people with othering motivations that focus on the negatives of green energy

It is a way to effectively bamboozle, to distract the common folk from pursuing better options because they are oft’ presented with the idea that “it’s bad too, so what’s the point”

And I think it is yet more manipulation by people who have motivations to not pursue better options

Or by people who will die before it is a problem on their doorstep, and so they do not care, and would prefer not to see their world change

[abstract karma]

you can't blame them..
With how whole world goes to hell from economic side, ppl wans easy and cheap way to produce what they need..

Bigest countries also wil rather use this approach than trying shift to other solutions

[sand wigeon]

I can blame them. I can blame the decrepitudes who run the world governments, and I will.

They are already often privileged and rich. They do not deserve to continue being so in a world that is being destroyed for the underprivileged and the young, especially when they are also often the ones actively destroying.

[abstract karma]

Activists btw not saying that a lot of them but these which are shown to public mostly are targeted as "eco terorists"

that wont help bring much weight to whole problem solution

[sand wigeon]

Eco-terrorism is a term pushed by governmental power to distract from their inaction and label protestors and green-world theorists as evil.

Ugh hold on

Automod

[abstract karma]

Why do you think that World wars ever existed..

[sand wigeon]

Otherwise there would be no need to label it as “eco-terr@#ism.” The motivation is only attached to disintegrate the green-world movement, otherwise it would simply be called “terr@#ism.”

[sand wigeon]

I mean… We have very definite answers as to why WW1 and WW2 started lol

But I am not a WW historian so I could not gve a detailed breakdown

[abstract karma]

or we can look on fresh wars like that RU x Ukraine.. to hell with politic problems behind it.. There is only one reason - material recourses under that country

[sand wigeon]

The war between Russia and Ukraine is motivated by a lot more than just “resources”

Lol

[abstract karma]

its always about profit and power - same problems as tagged why you cant make globaly shift to green energy

Either way i need to shift from discord for while so

[sand wigeon]

Alright I’ll say it

Nvm it got automodded

Probably for the better

[twilit mountain]

I ain't getting into a discussion about eco-fascist bullshit on a Discord server where I can't even properly detest the ultra wealthy without the threat of banning.

[sand wigeon]

Real

I just thought it’d be a good reference

[desert jasper]

"Pathfinder
Contagious Contamination has been Removed."
Man
I don't like that

[twilit mountain]

That the prolif?

[desert jasper]

yes

[twilit mountain]

They shoulda removed the herald instead tbh

[desert jasper]

Did that have prolif on it too?

I wonder how good just going full on animal druid is
Instead of going hybrid thingymajingy

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. Poison herald has prolif that's better than PF's lol

[desert jasper]

I guess they wanted to keep the option available to play poison builds on other classes too than just pathfinder
poison kinda feels jank if no prolif

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. I just think that having prolif for minimal cost that's better than a whole-ass ascendancy notable is bad design. Leave the ascend part, it's part of its identity, just make it, y'know, better than a single damn gem

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I suppose

Bosses now have an Anti-Burst damage mechanic: Once a boss has finished it's emerge or becomes aggro the damage reduction period starts counting down. The damage reduction tapers down from full effect to no effect over the course of this duration. For every unit the boss moves from it's starting location the damage reduction will fall off even faster. Bosses which cannot or barely move have a shorter damage reduction period.

Not sure I like that tbh

[twilit mountain]

This is in fact dogshit

[desert jasper]

All in all
Not very interesting changes
Looks like some nerfs to players once again, some gear updates that melee weapons of "higher" base should have higher dmg so you might actually find upgrades

Slowly building them up again

[fierce moth]

will drink coffee let you feel tired too?

[twilit mountain]

Anything that has caffeine.

[abstract karma]

meanwhile i can't >.>

[desert jasper]

caffeine makes me feel tired too
I still drink coffee every now and then because I've a blend that I like

[fierce moth]

Time to drink more coffee, Hallow and Deias, and have a good sleep :)

[desert jasper]

... I still can't read Mesa Map without thinking of Jar Jar Binks

[sudden anchor]

Is that for every boss, mapbosses included?

[desert jasper]

I assume it's for every boss

Because it doesn't specify

[sudden anchor]

I think so too. Dreadful to have this so often. Depending on the dmg reduction.
My gps shows completely different coordinates in pokemon go. Its like 100 m from me and remains after turning game off and on again. Its like a sign i have to go there

[fierce moth]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/sable-creative-directors-new-studio-eteo-are-aiming-to-release-their-first-game-in-2027-and-have-a-newsletter-starting-next-year
Pictures arecaptured from the video, Eteo Studio Reveal - PC Gaming Show: Most Wanted 2025

Damnnnnnnnn too cooooooool!!! Something cool I discovered. More news will come since next year. @quaint forge

Remind me of the post I posted...lol (Well I didn't learn rhino at last)

I need to check out what this ins account going now

Alright, aesthetic of architecture models always attract me but I still no idea what the sense of making them... I just come by aesthetic but I think much more sense they will bring for professional architects

The pity is I'm bad at physicals and maths so I never can learn architectures professionally because these 2 subjects are required to learn in Chinese architecture industry (so I gave it up at the end)

Maybe these AI pictures are part of inspirations for level design? 🤔

[jade jackal]

🤮

reject slop, return to human

[fierce moth]

Oh, Good shot

[jade jackal]

nice pathway...

[fierce moth]

But one thing I learnt from these unperfect AI pictures is use depth of field to focus the primary part so more aesthetic they own

[jade jackal]

They know to blur the foreground and background, but the keen eyed can spot how the plane of focus doesnt make sense anyway

Usually narrower than 40 degrees horizontal field of view shots, what's known as telephoto field of view, creates a very challenging macro photography scene

[jovial bane]

So far I don't even need more a glance to tell it's AI

Lighting is always uncanny on those

[jovial bane]

Construction always daunted me. Even though I'm decent at those, jesus the exam score requirements for those were nuts

[jade jackal]

My dad was an architect, and actively did the construction of the house i was born into

It was quite interesting

[junior oyster]

Wth is this scam

[fierce moth]

Find a new problem from language barrier is locations in my city always no English name so... No idea how to type the architecture‘s name in English

Chinese map apps support Chinese only. How to deal with this case?

[desert jasper]

Got 10% experience in 3hours
It's honestly going way faster than I expected

[maiden widget]

Probably just share a picture or the link?

[desert jasper]

Tomorrow is independence day oer here
maybe I should go to sauna for it

[jade jackal]

or shoo bears

[desert jasper]

Well that's a bit hard
haven't seen a single one where I live

[pine summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmonZZbT90