📚┃off-topic

[junior oyster]

Unless I get boosted

[desert jasper]

I've no idea, honestly
I haven't done a single one this league
I did one ... like the other league? or at some point as poison srs but it wasn't 175% one

oh wait no it was with mamba

it wasn't a good time though

[twilit mountain]

If it helps, it isn't 175 raw, it scales with atlas passives and such

[desert jasper]

I might try it. I don't need to get to 36 challenges
it would be neat to get there though
still about halfway to go to the 50k quantity maps
and 60 explicit mods for originator maps
Those 2 will put me to 33

[raw arch]

Unfortunately both the league itself and the cosmetics for the challenges are sub-par (imo of course) so I have little to no motivation to complete them, even up to 36 (which is relatively easy)

[warped wren]

Boss rushing is a thing

And it's profitable

But you need to be fast and you need to be able to kill Abom bosses

This is so hilariously incorrect, I made 60d off of 40 blue rarity t16 maps

[mental talon]

I'll do it for you (you don't have to pay)

[abstract karma]

ok correction - for normal mortals that's it

[warped wren]

?

[desert jasper]

I'm gonna go to bed soon, sadly enough and tomorrow I'm busy

[mental talon]

Well between now and PoE 2 launch literally just @ me

[warped wren]

Literally use alts to roll the map for "more rare monsters" mod, slap in Calcification + Ascent + Stability + 2x Adversaries and kill the ton of essences and make bank

This whole idea of "oh you can only make money if you no life the game and have a 400d character" is so stupid and outdated

You don't even need an atlas tree to make easy money now

[desert jasper]

Probably friday or the weekend should be good
Getting some blood tests done on thursday

[abstract karma]

quite contradiction there..

1. Not everybody likes run some essences monsters..
2. Rare monsters especially essences ones can be more tough than endgame bosses

• you can't except from most players to have enough tank chars to defeat them

3. Some players havent even enough recourses to run strategy based on spending various amount of chaos just for scarabs

Nobody said btw something about 400d character..

Just say it differently nextime - you can make profit if you have right build and playing right way not as you want
Eitherway you say next doesn't change fact that ppl commonly already agreed this league how unmotived this league is to actually try make decent profit

[mental talon]

Alright no doubt just hit me up fam

[twilit mountain]

Just gonna push back on point 2 here; essence rares have been absolutely fodder enemies the past two or three leagues since toughness stacking got nerfed on them, they're hardly any different than a bog standard rare enemy now.

Also money is in fact easier than ever. You can make money just by running scoured maps with zero scarabs if you just click Destructive Play.

[warped wren]

The only people making less currency than before are juicers, not noobs like you who can't spend a few chaos per map

Juicing nerfs are the least of your concerns

I could give you half a dozen zero investment strats that can be done on any half assed builds, but I feel like it's a waste if breath on someone like you

[twilit mountain]

Do you like delving? Go delve. Virtually anything can delve at like 300-500 depth and make bank. Sanctum? Make a totem, brand, or mine build and go nuts. Beasts? Well that's just free, have any defense layer.
Kalguur is literally just get gold, send ships.

Legion? Same as always. Play something with prolif and at least a modicum of damage. That shit spits money on the ground and the investment isn't even real.

[warped wren]

It'd be easier if he just admitted he sucks at making currency and went to research some easy methods, but I suppose it's easier to blame the balance and go "oh woe is me the poor casual"

[sand wigeon]

Heist? Play CI and get phasing

^ (not necessarily the full picture. please read the seventy-nine page legal contract)

[twilit mountain]

Blight is the most free money I've ever seen in the game. Burning ground + freeze enchants. Plays itself.

[warped wren]

speaking of ridiculously easy and low investment farms: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1p6dw4m/loot_from_11_hours_of_farming_tattoos_112_maps/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

(less than 14c investment per map for a return of almost 1d per map lmfao)

[lethal bane]

I suck at it and I still turn some profits here and there

And I'm casual af

[warped wren]

this will surely improve guys

[fierce moth]

You can't convince Judd by less and less players anymore because he's running le by many unexpecting ways

[blissful token]

Server 215,568 members now

I still havent read the post, anyone can give me a tldr?

[fierce moth]

I don't feel surprised EHG to announce S4 will be released in Feb or Mar if they can't prepare work in a high-quality way before Jan ends. We don't know how early from early 2026 the announcement means, but it's safe to use that term if they must delay to Feb/Mar. AI rumours and Krafton's negative influence is popular in player's side so EHG must do something positive to be profitable. EHG selected paid class. Then they must face overwhelming doubt about p2w. It just bring more players away.

[gilded elm]

Paywalled classes and features.

TLDR: Expansion is free, but there will be paywalled stuff like classes.

[blissful token]

Thanks

[gilded elm]

It's like they saw the backlash against a paid expansion, and they thought to themselves how can we start selling new features without charging for the expansion and this is their solution.

[blissful token]

Didnt EHG recruit many more devs by now?

[gilded elm]

Paywalled content in a live service game is P2W no matter how you spin it IMO. I believe that's true for D4 and it will soon be true for LE.

[blissful token]

Idk how you gonna label ff14 in this case tho

[fierce moth]

New EHG members they hired will focus on free expansion on console

[gilded elm]

If the two groups (non-paid vs paid) are sharing an economy / ladders then it's for sure P2W. Non-paid meaning the people who didn't pay for the latest paywalled content.

D4 allows base game players and expansion players to play together in the same economy, in the same party. This means expansion players have an unfair advantage against base game players.

[blissful token]

But the expansion is revealsd for pc platform also no? So the dev works for it too

[blissful token]

Hmm good point.. i dont know if they share economy/ladder or not

Just confused how generally people view it cuz classes are locked behind new expansions? While at it, you also have to pay monthly sub to play the game

[gilded elm]

P2W is all about how level the playing field is.

[blissful token]

But the shared economy/ladder thingy make sense

[gilded elm]

Sharing an economy and/or ladder is an obvious red flag when it comes to paid vs non-paid players co-existing. The playing field isn't fair in that case.

I hope EHG is smart about separating the economies between people who have access to these paid classes and people who don't.

[blissful token]

Hopefully yea

But the paid classes already left a bad taste in my mouth

I am not sure if i will come back

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's not a good look. EHG was already struggling to try and stay relevant in the ARPG market following mediocre seasons, then there's also all of the Krafton baggage that's been dragging their reputation through the mud. This announcement just seems like a huge blunder by whoever is calling the shots. Player confidence with EHG already seemed like it was at an all-time low before this announcement, now I just feel like they made it even worse.

[fierce moth]

🤔

[blissful token]

Dont know how bad is #💬┃general is bombarded but it is still in Slow Mode

[gilded elm]

Well, I guess that means people with paid classes and people with only base classes have a shared economy. So the game is now going to be P2W.

[fierce moth]

Another D4. Sigh...

[gilded elm]

Sounds great for all of those Merchant's Guild players who don't have access to the new paid classes.

[fierce moth]

why?

[gilded elm]

That's sarcasm, it won't be great at all.

It will be terrible.

[fierce moth]

EHG still in the shape I don't like at the end...Because of money pressure

[gilded elm]

If EHG wants to do paid classes, I think people who still care about the game probably should be speaking up about this P2W sooner rather than later so they know this is kinda messed up.

Separate economies, separate ladders. That should be required if they want to to this.

[blissful token]

Do LE even have 🐳? Considering many think the cosmetic is not up to par

[gilded elm]

Don't think there's anything to actually whale in this game

[blissful token]

How they gonna implement that to MG?

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's tough. Especially since they said people can still party with each other. Being able to party and run content together would be inherently P2W as well. Your progression and loot is influenced by having access to a friend who has a paid class.

[desert jasper]

Tbh most of the mtx just don't look good

[gilded elm]

Unless they make the paid classes trash, but I doubt that lol

[desert jasper]

It'll be 14sec uber kill instead of 12

[gilded elm]

Also consider that the supply and demand of goods in MG will be influenced by those new paid classes. So paid classes will be having an indrect effect on you through the economy and skewing the supply and demand of goods that normally wouldn't be so skewed.

Why should "non-paid" players have to suffer the consequences of poor economic conditions that are driven by classes they don't even have access to?

[blissful token]

Uber inherently gets taunted by paid classes and aggro them first

Does the post set a date for S4 already?

[gilded elm]

Don't think so, tbh I kinda closed out of the post half way.

Read enough lol

[desert jasper]

early 2026

[blissful token]

Okie

[desert jasper]

Probably january
could be later, for their sake I hope not

[blissful token]

I guess we wait out and see about the economy with the paid classes

[gilded elm]

If they can manage to separate the economy and ladder and maintain the integrity of merchant's guild, basically, ensure it's not P2W... then paid classes wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

[desert jasper]

Doubt the classes will come in s4

[blissful token]

Oh rightttt

Its the expansion

[gilded elm]

It also seems like an unnecessarily complex problem to try and solve, it'd probably be a lot easier to just abandon the idea of doing paid classes.

[blissful token]

You think the higher table will consider the general playerbase's concern in their "seat"?

Now that Krafton is a major stake/shareholder

[desert jasper]

Tbh I understand it from their position
the game isn't making money, ppl aren't buying the cosmetics (bcs they just don't look good) and they got a massive backlash when they announced the expansion + ps5 release
Like they have to make money somehow
it's not like servers are free or the workers

But also dropping it like that when there hasn't been real communication or patches is rough

[blissful token]

Btw, it sounds like i am dissing you but i am not.. it is my genuine thinking now assuming the EHG management landscape may have changed. If only message can convey the tone better

[desert jasper]

Nah Krafton will not care about the voices of the players unless it's bringing in loads of money

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's a bad position to be in, but the writing was on the wall for a couple years at least. This is a situation that's been a long time in the making and I do actually think EHG had multiple opportunities to become profitable.

Take for example the fact that LE's cosmetics have been terrible since day 1 and they're basically still terrible. The fact that cosmetic monetization wasn't a bigger part of their business strategy or even worse, the possibility that someone at EHG thought the cosmetics were actually good is a bit concerning.

[blissful token]

I think LE ran a very similar model to Monster Hunter mainstream titles

U got the base game, with free updates every few months and some time limited event quest

And then a big g-rank monster expansion that u can purchase

There also also cosmetics u can pay for as dlc

But somehow, LE failed to sustain that way

[gilded elm]

EHG knew that choosing a live service model meant they would have recurring business expenses, like paying employees and server costs. It's just crazy how they didn't do more to try and become sustainable.

[desert jasper]

I think they also could've hired too many ppl too fast
Expand too much

[warped wren]

to say nothing about the quality of said people

[gilded elm]

Like I have to wonder if whoever is in charge of monetizing cosmetics the past few years was actually aware of how bad they were and how much money they were leaving on the table.

Because they let it go on for so long.

It's not a comforting thought.

[blissful token]

But tbf, monster hunter is a multiplayer/community game up to 4 hunters and it is different genre. LE multiplayer doesnt come with lotsa incentive

[desert jasper]

Mh also costs more for the base game and their cosmetics look good
And at least world was peer to peer instead of having live servers
not sure how wilds is, does it have actual servers

[blissful token]

Mhwild is 3x the LE pricing lmao

[desert jasper]

And also merchandise you can buy like clothes, dolls etc

[blissful token]

Not sure how happening are those, we had cafe here collab with MH but i didnt go :P

Also capcom got lotsa IP for collaboration

I guess thats a pro

Like how Dead by Daylight is still going well cuz of all the licensed collaboration

[desert jasper]

If I had the skills (and body type) I'd definitely cosplay mh

[blissful token]

Carry the greatsword 3x your size

[desert jasper]

I already do

I should probably get up and get ready to make this sample delivery
But I don't wanna, the floor is cold and bed warm

[maiden widget]

Agree on the second part, I have quite some points by now but nothing seems worth it even though the points are owned by me already.

[gilded elm]

Latest Grim Misadventure has some music from the Fangs of Asterkarn OST

This is good, listening to the main theme right now

https://youtu.be/JYqXEgSdHqU

[fierce moth]

No hideout-like stuff in le cause EHG miss lots of money, I didn't know that before I played that seriously once time

Not much space available for players to get some fun from making fan contents in le

[fierce moth]

Oh... Wait. That hub echo is the same thing with hideout

[stone anvil]

where winds meet has elegance points for outfits in the game.

you can dye some of skins and combine them to get more points

[jade jackal]

Where weebs meet

[fierce moth]

Skyrim remind me of Chrono Odyssey because both of them based on open world + crafting gears

Skyrim is the teacher game in MMO?

[desert jasper]

no

[fierce moth]

@blissful token The Chinese version of "paradox class" is interesting... They use a word I never hear so I must search the pronounce

...Based on a theoretical proposition, a result that is inconsistent with facts is derived. This phenomenon frequently occurs in science and is distinct from logical contradictions such as paradoxes.

[blissful token]

What bout runescape? One of the pioneer?

[desert jasper]

Isn't runescape already a mmo

[blissful token]

One of the earliest i assume

[fierce moth]

佯謬
Thanks EHG let me to learn a new word

[blissful token]

Oof i am too banana to understand

Never have I seen the term "paradox class" used anywhere in mmo. It is a LE thing and i guess its fine cuz its accurate lore-wise? With all the time travel theme and setting

[fierce moth]

No worries, I checked out the meaning

I'm sure EHG don't know I like paradox puzzles so much lol

[desert jasper]

It's a new le thing

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1260520/Patricks_Parabox/

It's the most successful paradox puzzle game on market so far

[silent steeple]

The last time I played Chrono Odyssey I realised that it was a complete clone of New World

In terms of gameplay and mechanics. With added elements like stretched out boss battles

Don't know if they're changing it or have changed it but I did not like what I was playing at all. Mostly because how badly optimised everything was

[fierce moth]

As a new player for MMO, I'm fine and want to play more

[blissful token]

I dont see any news since the beta test

[silent steeple]

I love MMO games, especially the first few 30-40 hours are pure bliss in most MMO games but the genre itself is dying and has me a lil concerned

New World had great potential but the way AGS handled that game from the beginning until the day they released the notice saying game wont get anymore updates is something that should be studied and remembered by all studios/companies

[fierce moth]

New world is too expensive

[silent steeple]

Expensive? can u still buy that game?

[desert jasper]

Isn't it down already?

[silent steeple]

Its not down yet, they said they will let the servers run through 2026

But I thought they would have removed the game from the shelves

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1063730/New_World_Aeternum/

We're talking this new world, right?

[silent steeple]

Yeah 😂

[fierce moth]

It's the most expensive 3a game I seen

[silent steeple]

Well, at least there is notice that the game wont receive any updates

[silent steeple]

Don't bother. The game will probably close down by the end of 2026

[desert jasper]

Hmm yes... exactly the inscribed ulti I wanted...

[fierce moth]

Such a beautiful concept art... The grey model is dope under this angle and this distance

[silent steeple]

I think this is the area that was introduced during revamp of the game

The one that comes before tutorial zone

[fierce moth]

The most interesting part of creating art is that you always find something that can be improved by a little change.

No inspiration for which types of arch doors can match with new patterns temporarily...

[fierce moth]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1154030/announcements/detail/606425106922604552
wow this wave of update from tq 2 looks quite cool, I'm interested in learning more

[silent steeple]

Have u ever checked out v-rising? In terms of art and architectural designs

[fierce moth]

Oh good call. I check them now

lol hah? The release date of v-rising is my birthday

A in-game screenshot on the steam page of V-rising. hah interesting... The same pattern xd

[silent steeple]

I absolutely love building in this game

To say that the castles are epic would be an understatement. And the whole building aspect itself is very easy because it feels like prefabricated

Full disclosure, not my build but

[stable pumice]

So what's everyone's blood type? I'm O+

[desert jasper]

Bloodtype: yes

[stable pumice]

mhm!

[desert jasper]

But really O-

[silent steeple]

A+

[fierce moth]

Fear the light - Rule the night
!!!!!!!

Damn I love that

[sudden anchor]

@stable pumice feeling cozy already 😄

And it was just 50 cents

[stable pumice]

I love it!

[fierce moth]

what is it?

[fierce moth]

@silent steeple Ask a noob question, the game don't support me to recover health?

[silent steeple]

Oh yeah! The game is heavy on role play so u have to play as a vampire 😂

[stable pumice]

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/11/google-tells-employees-it-must-double-capacity-every-6-months-to-meet-ai-demand/

[silent steeple]

U have to drink the blood of creatures or humans or other vampires to keep your health topped off

U also have to avoid sunlight, silver and anything holy

And garlic 😂

[fierce moth]

I'm not sure how to drink blood from creatures...

I just swing my sword to slain enemies now... Quite confusing

[silent steeple]

U seem to be in starting area so find yourself a deer or a wolf and hit it until they go low health. Once they have like 10-20% health, u'll see an option to drink their blood

[fierce moth]

feed?

[silent steeple]

Yes

[fierce moth]

........

I just kill them

[silent steeple]

U can interrupt "feed" but don't interrupt it

As the game goes on u can actually bring humans to your castle and keep them in jail cells and 'tap' a blood brew out of them

Pretty neat if u ask me

[fierce moth]

😵 This game quite hard because bandits hit me so hard

[silent steeple]

There aren't many games that have the style of combat this game has. U'll get used to it soon

Take your time and make your way to the top slowly

[fierce moth]

I don't know how to play survive games at all... Damn

[neon sigil]

I really love this armour set in poe2.

[warped wren]

Yeah the character models and sets are one of the few things to love about that game

[sudden anchor]

Its a candleholder, probably made out of colored shells

[fierce moth]

An illustration about a candleholder? I'm confused why are you post a picture of that suddenly

[sudden anchor]

No, its a photo of a real candleholder i bought recently. We were having a conversation in general when someone mentioned a link on how to make winter survivable. Lighting candles and doing Outdoor activities was part of the strategies. Im gonna go for a little run now. Tightly packed in clothing

[neon sigil]

that's so pretty

[fierce moth]

damn these textures on petals make it looks like an illustration lol

I thought it's a lotus illustration at the first gaze

[gilded elm]

V Rising is definitely a difficult experience first time solo

Fun game, though

[fierce moth]

Make sense on why this guide watched by lot of people, 284k views

[fierce moth]

lol dark pattern introduction one become the brand video for Chris now... More popular than the 1st video on everything.

[sand wigeon]

He’s a regular YouTuber. Their videos usually get more popular overtime, especially if they’re growing. It’s expected.

Plus, an interview style video is less appealing to a general audience than a short video essay.

[fierce moth]

Chris's current is the end of my life... I wish.

[stone anvil]

so cute 🤣 🤣

[jade jackal]

Bobr...

[stone anvil]

bobr kurwa, come here

[twilit mountain]

I made a WOTC employee forfeit

[silent steeple]

Honestly, i only ever play it solo because any server other than official server, u can expect griefing. I mean u can expect it on official servers too
But some of the bosses are a lot easier to deal with when solo

The only time I wished I had a duo was when fighting dracula on brutal difficulty. Man that was pain!

[stone anvil]

feels good to carry 9 players as support

[desert jasper]

Support role is good fun
If the other players know what they're doing

[stone anvil]

especially good and more fun for this game because you can't refill your potions when you die, you can only craft them
and since people don't craft them, they need healers in boss fights

[desert jasper]

Smh
dying

[stone anvil]

I've never seen even strongest melee dps can one shot a boss in this game

bosses have difficulties and they level up as your character leveling up

but they have at least 2 phases

and they mostly have endurance to ignore your dmg 😭

[desert jasper]

I kinda hate those mechanics
boss just ignoring dmg

Makes it feel like it's not worth gearing up

[stone anvil]

some bosses have weird interactions like

they turn you into donkey

and you need to run or

another boss for example, they have explosive

and you need to carry them out of the boat

devs really wanted to make boss fights taking long time lol

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/1WD0j0mW5qo?si=QCt2XfOTZylWejYB

I'm sorry to hear today is a sad day for some people because their families destroyed by this disaster 🕯️

And... Countless economy loss :(

[jade jackal]

Do we know what caused this?

Was it an electrical failure?

[fierce moth]

No news mentioned that yet

Where should people whose lives there go after lost their houses and how to deal with the ruin is unknown too

I guess the reason why missing persons are appeared on the report is they're buried to ash... So no tracks available. Too much smoke... Fire is ended primarily by itself (nothing available be burnt anymore)

[fierce moth]

High building estates are common in China

This disaster maybe bring a wave of security checks for estates under building or over 20 years

If these high building estates in the central of city, they can be valuable on market because convenient traffic/shopping/school/medical

(Sorry to say I never have a chance to live in one of them)

[desert jasper]

What a weird ring

[fierce moth]

Vaal Aggorat is dim a lot without that exclusive cyan floor and colourful leaves 🤔

[twilit mountain]

I have never seen it be good but it is very cool to look at

[mental talon]

My favorite leveling Ring

[desert jasper]

I just threw it to the duster

[ebon meadow]

I am actually confused with the last quality mod on there what quality goes to 200 ?

[desert jasper]

What's confusing about it?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah idk what's confusing. The quality can go up to 200% on it, it says exactly what it does

[ebon meadow]

That amount of quality ,does it mean the item quality goes to 200 ?

Or am I misunderstanding something

[twilit mountain]

Okay you know how quality works in the game right?

[desert jasper]

The quality on that ring

[ebon meadow]

I have never seen any item in game that goes over like 28

[twilit mountain]

Max quality is normally 20%, armor and weapon items can drop up to 30%, rings/amulets/belts get quality from catalysts, this ring can go up to 200% instead of 20%.

[ebon meadow]

That is a lot of quality but also I am assuming it always drops corrupted so u can't increase it anymore

[twilit mountain]

Tainted catalysts.

[ebon meadow]

Holy I have never seen that ring before I need it for my standar museum

[desert jasper]

Yeah, never seen it before either
it's being turned to dust currently

[ebon meadow]

Xdd gains are gains and u need the dust for those ships

[desert jasper]

Eh it's not worth that much dust

and I could've put it in my unique tab

[ebon meadow]

I put every copy drop of uniques to dusting and just leave it over night

Same for mappers and shipping

[fierce moth]

https://80.lv/articles/creating-spirited-away-inspired-voxel-scene-in-magicavoxel
lol I just know 80 level have been interviewed a voxel artist...It have been 2 years.

[stone anvil]

this looks so good WTF

[desert jasper]

I stopped using mappers because honestly I can't really afford them
so I send one or two ships a day

And then the shippers bring nothing good in return

I got more divs from them for sending like 50k ships than I've got for 1mill ships

[ebon meadow]

Ye ai never go really high shipping it's mostly like a k of each and like 10 k dust

[fierce moth]

yes maybe... @quaint forge want to check this interview out 🤔

Frankly, the most time-consuming part for me is planning and getting the work in my head. For this, I first open a file on my PC and store references in it. It usually goes up to 30-40 references. I then scroll through these references for hours.

💯 It tell the truth It's why I always be stuck... Lack of references

[stone anvil]

there are not many voxel artists

and voxel art looks good while having buildings

and how many different building you can use?

best reference is games

games have cool buildings

and different enough to make art of it

but still, how many games you can use?

[fierce moth]

https://80.lv/articles/creating-a-voxel-mountain-in-magicavoxel
Oh of course, Mari never be absent.

[stone anvil]

wow, this might be took long time

[desert jasper]

Don't have my glasses on
first look I thought that was a chicken nugget

[warped wren]

yeah mappers need you to constantly be running a high density 8mods / t16.5 / t17 strat

[stone anvil]

more people should use 3d printing
https://youtube.com/shorts/vlGHEmT-DMY?si=_R7Zg8dHf81kIGce

[warped wren]

unaffordable otherwise over a sustained period

[desert jasper]

I haven't even tried t17 yet this league
And it's too late to try one today as I'm about to go & sleep

Plenty to do early morning tomorrow

[fierce moth]

wow the 3d print model looks dope

Looking forward to more people take that try

[stone anvil]

rest well, its gonna be big day

[desert jasper]

Well
I already know I'm not going to rest well
I never do

[stone anvil]

there must be many reasons

[fierce moth]

damn cats always cute

[stone anvil]

yes, nub is cute

[desert jasper]

Please.

[stone anvil]

have a good sleep ❤️

[ebon meadow]

I thought it was a cake lmao

Woops sorry should of scrolled down ,GN

[fierce moth]

I love this art style. The animation is quite cool

[stone anvil]

you can draw these on your sketchbook!!

[quaint forge]

Pretty cool ha

[quaint forge]

Thats you 😛

[stone anvil]

kirra is like

[quaint forge]

great timming

[stone anvil]

no kirra always 🤔

[quaint forge]

True!!!

[fierce moth]

damn how did you know

Cool avator I updated. Thanks for the inspiration!

[quaint forge]

HAHAH thats great!

Going to play the next league?

[fierce moth]

Sure, go on chaos caster lich as the starter

[quaint forge]

ohh nice nice! Im going to try get to maps this time haha

[fierce moth]

I heard Zao still in act 4 👀

[quaint forge]

Hes to busy making cookies @junior stirrup

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhh

[abstract karma]

So The Queen is next

[junior stirrup]

Yep, character is on the shore of the Isle of Kin after dealing with the siren one.

Probably not gonna get to finish it before the next league.

[junior stirrup]

Did you get to try the chocolate balls?

There might be some left in the L2 fridge.

[quaint forge]

Nah I didnt see them 🙁

[junior stirrup]

There was three left when I put them in yesterday, so you could probably grab them for yourself and the teammates you like the most 😉

[quaint forge]

I think I wait for the end of the month treats 😄

[quaint forge]

They are real good!! 🤤

[maiden widget]

Are those... Chocolate salty balls?

[junior stirrup]

More on the sweet side.

[fierce moth]

Coconut flakes outside? 🤔

[warped wren]

"I'll just do a quick map before bed"
The map before bed:

[stone anvil]

mama, I will sleep after this game
playing the game at 3 am

[warped wren]

Hard to sleep after you drop a mirror shard

[junior oyster]

Hard to sleep after you drop nothing too

But gg

[quaint forge]

Nah it was sweat mabye icing sugar?

[fierce moth]

Icing sugar outside chocolate balls you made?

[junior stirrup]

pearl sugar, not sure if "nib sugar" is the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nib_sugar

[fierce moth]

🤔 Never know sugar in North Europe will transform this type

Yes I can search this sugar by "pearl sugar" on our shopping app

[desert jasper]

Hopefully not actually sweat

[quaint forge]

Thats how you know it was made with love

[fierce moth]

But we usually mean sugar like picture one if we say pearl sugar.

Picture 2 is a type of chocolate product popular in Chinese pastry. Crispy biscuits covered by chocolate layer.

Valrhona always mean fancy but this chocolate beans is cheap so...

[vagrant topaz]

I got a friend working at Valrhona

It is pretty fancy chocolate

[junior stirrup]

Swedish wikipedia claims it's made by casting sheets of sugar, crushing them and sifting out pieces of the right size.

Next up: lussebullar

[fierce moth]

wow... Saffron bun

I remember Saffron is an expensive seasoning

let me check the price...

yes...2g Saffron I can get only with le's price

[fierce moth]

this is the traditional shape for Lussebullar?

[junior stirrup]

Yep. You can also braid them into longer ones or do wraiths.

[fierce moth]

Do wraiths?

[junior stirrup]

Looking up online prices, you get a 0.5g bag for 1.90 EUR back home. Haven't found any good places to buy it here so I've got to go for overpriced fancy saffron strands in the shops instead.

[fierce moth]

I guess you mean this one by longer ones

[junior stirrup]

There's quite some regional variations, but it can be a round one with intervowen strands.

[fierce moth]

They're wraiths?

[junior stirrup]

I'm thinking of something like this:

Not a great image but the only one I can find online atm.

It has a name that eludes me.

[fierce moth]

I see. It's like... Use the dough to braid a magic circle

[junior stirrup]

There's straight braids too:

Now I'm craving some good fika bread, dammit 😄

[fierce moth]

hhhhh I feel like it's a type of craft with Cthulhu style

[junior stirrup]

Lower left corner is the name that eluded me.

[desert jasper]

It's obviously the cthulhu braid

or beard 🤔

[stone anvil]

these made me hungry

btw good morning nub ❤️

[desert jasper]

Gm
I've been up for 5 hours already
got the stuff done and just got home from the gym

[stone anvil]

gigachad indeed

[desert jasper]

Normally would've gone to the gym at like 5-6 in the morning but I had things that needed me to not do that before them

[fierce moth]

Prästens hår... Ok I can't recognize that handwriting at all

[fierce moth]

I'm curious about which shape will you go 👀

[junior stirrup]

Went through my old albums looking for some PoE stuff and found this frozen cheesecake I made:

[junior stirrup]

Default S-shaped.

[fierce moth]

Julvagn, Hjulet and Krans looks interesting

[junior stirrup]

Some names there are very regional too, we'd call the top left ones "lussekatt" and "julgalt" is some other weird region.

[fierce moth]

But Prästens hår is the king hhh

Play the dough into different shapes must very interesting

[stone anvil]

you really need to ping me lol, I was too focused on general chat, sorry

what type of sussy baka things? nvm xD have fun

[desert jasper]

@twilit mountain got this

[fierce moth]

Lussebullar give me some inspiration on the shape of arch, but now I go back to that classic question, which patterns do I want on the wall... Pattern design stuff again.

Just figured out a type of flower pattern. Reference time again...

[desert jasper]

Just did my first T17 map of the league
it actually wasn't bad at all 🤔

Though I also didn't apparently have the 175% item quantity on it

[fierce moth]

Design a pattern for arch walls based on the flower :)

[fierce moth]

It become cooler a lot :)

[twilit mountain]

Oh that's so hot

[desert jasper]

It also was like.. 9div? or 10

[twilit mountain]

Yeah that makes sense. Rare implicit, highly used item

[desert jasper]

and the weapon was 30div
because I'm too lazy to recombinate one myself

[twilit mountain]

Valid

[desert jasper]

I might still try to roll one
but who knows

[twilit mountain]

Unrelated, anyone hopping on PD2 later today for season launch? I'm still very new with it, not sure what I wanna run

[fierce moth]

A list for economy model on non-p2w games:

Paid dlc, paid class, mtx, sell copies, work for another ip, subscriptions, game pass, sold company, kickstarter.
Anything else?

[jade jackal]

Make a good and fun game that will just sell on its own merit?

[fierce moth]

😂... Sure

Game designers take the most responsibility

[twilit mountain]

That'll do

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhh

[sand wigeon]

That’wa don’t

[warped wren]

how many unveils did it take

[twilit mountain]

1

[warped wren]

Chris Wilson be praised

[twilit mountain]

The hard part was getting the temple mod onto the base

[warped wren]

recombinators are strong but they're so f**** annoying man

[fierce moth]

lol I thought 30s how to go back to my hideout from a map in poe... Then I realize I have portal scroll

[twilit mountain]

They were less annoying before they decided to simultaneously implement POE2 recomb and nerf old recomb

[warped wren]

you can bind your portal scroll to a hotkey

similar to PoE2's return to town button

[desert jasper]

Tbh I always forget to stock up on scrolls when I use that
and then my only portal is at the start of the map and it feels so long to run back

[fierce moth]

🤔 I don't think controller UI can bind portal...

Oh let me switch UI to see

[ebon meadow]

Might as well log out and back in lol probably a lot faster

[fierce moth]

Yes. Their controller UI is outdated...

[junior oyster]

Would be good if it didn't take us to town

[ebon meadow]

I spawn in end where kirac is so right on top of portal and also I mostly use /hideout elsewhere

Or u can use macro

[jade jackal]

Yeah this is COD, not Battlefield

[fierce moth]

Underwood-underwood white house. I guess there'll a twist later like one of underwood is gone 🤔

If no accidents to make a twist, the story is over

[desert jasper]

@twilit mountain

[twilit mountain]

LMAO

[junior oyster]

Is cws possible on witch and more importantly viable at the cheaper end?

I have around 8d and 1kc

[twilit mountain]

Technically CWS is possible on anything but I really would not recommend it outside of Glad or Chief.

[junior oyster]

Oh ok thank s

[warped wren]

You could build emiracle's no Immutable Force no Bloodnotch budget CWS Chief for pennies rn

[junior oyster]

Btw what does cws stand for? Cast when standing?

[twilit mountain]

If you want a Witch build that has relatively easy buy in and can rip the vast majority of the game, look into ignite Impending Doom Elementalist

Cast When Stunned

[junior oyster]

I was close enough

Aside from uber I can do fairly well on my current aw build

[fierce moth]

😂 Dear why moments from two persons are kissing because they like each other are so much... Why the way to show love is kissing and doing something on bed only... It's boring after they're more frequently

[junior oyster]

Uhh what

[warped wren]

Here Fane: https://youtu.be/HNsCV37pwVc?si=ZgWF9qJLcdx9KNmD

[fierce moth]

Reviewing the house of cards

[warped wren]

Afaik this is the most budget a CWS Chieftain can get and still remain t16 ultimatums viable

[junior oyster]

I see

It also uses reverse flash

[desert jasper]

Tbh I got bored of the ultimatum + expedition on my CWS
changed to ritual + harbies

[junior oyster]

I'm trying everything to make me money but nothing feels right lol

[warped wren]

The secret to making money in this game

[junior oyster]

Is to play the game

[desert jasper]

Pretty much anything makes money

[junior oyster]

I get it

[warped wren]

Is to find one thing you enjoy that is reasonably profitable and quick and just do it for a few hours while listening to music / podcasts / Netflix / whatever

[junior oyster]

That's the problem I enjoy everything in maps

[warped wren]

So? Mapping is obviously a lot of profit

[junior oyster]

Ritual when it hit right felt the most profitable

[warped wren]

At all tiers

[desert jasper]

Just make a few different trees and change it every now and then

[warped wren]

Ritual is too spiky for me but if you enjoy it, run it

[junior oyster]

I have lol

[warped wren]

Friend of mine got a Perfect Forest Tiger yesterday and made 45d off that

[junior oyster]

Doing boxes atm

[twilit mountain]

I'm just running elderslayers on repeat on my PF right now with music going, gone up like 15d in 20 maps, give or take

[junior oyster]

Damn

Do you buy elder maps and then rush to boss?

[warped wren]

While I'm doing 20% deli harby/beyond farming maps and jackpots

[twilit mountain]

Destructive Play basically feeds me all the maps I could ever need

[junior oyster]

It's not what I'll do but I am interested in the different strats

[warped wren]

Boxes are great money though not super consistent. What's the problem?

[twilit mountain]

By the time I'm near running out of them I can swap to a different guardian type and have an entire 20-30 map round of them back again

[junior oyster]

I'm doing them in t16s

Doesn't seem very profitable ngl

[desert jasper]

Nice, 32 challenges done

[junior oyster]

Buying 16.5s is too expensive

[warped wren]

Are you doing containment

If you do containment in t16s you will obviously lose money lol

[junior oyster]

No way not with 16s lol

[warped wren]

Otherwise it should be ok

Yeah t16s won't net you as much loot but it's much, much faster and easier

So you can run more over a given time frame

[junior oyster]

I use 3x normal scarabs 1x reopen chance and 1x rarity

[warped wren]

Also 8mod t16s are pennies this league so just do that

[junior oyster]

Problem is buying t16s with the mods I want to avoid can be a problem

[warped wren]

Uhh, just create a regex, port into someone's hideout and paste it in their shop and buy

[junior oyster]

Idk I hope I'm not being frustrating here lol

[junior oyster]

I made the regex but how would I find someone selling a whole load of jv maps

[warped wren]

You may have to visit a few shops but nothing too hard

[junior oyster]

Can the regex also id jv maps

I didn't check tbf

[warped wren]

Search for 8mod t16 JVs in the ingame trade interface, and DON'T collapse by listing. When you run into a guy who's listed multiple, port to his hideout

Then paste the regex in his shop search bar

[junior oyster]

In game?

How did I miss that lol

[warped wren]

Yeah, default hotkey is forward slash

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N6AoLFywPI
!? WOWWWWWWWWW

A new lovecraftian horror adventure game coming soon

[warped wren]

And just search for 8mods, don't put your desired modifiers in the trade search

[twilit mountain]

The downside of Impending Doom gaming :<

[warped wren]

Just put the regex in the shop search bar of whoever's HO you go to

[warped wren]

At least it's in double digits

You should see my maps

[twilit mountain]

That's with one mob on screen.

[fierce moth]

I hope that isn't a horror game scared people by jumping scare

No steam page yet, it's a pity

[warped wren]

it cannot, you'll have to visually observe

also don't get landmined lol

[twilit mountain]

Landmine is fixed

It gives you a pop up now if an item is priced different by even 1c

[junior oyster]

Changing prices as I view?

[warped wren]

not if you're buying multiple items from a single shop and they have even slightly different pricing

well

let's say he's buy 10 maps at 3c each, some being 4c each

[twilit mountain]

If you ignore the pop up it's on you tbqh

[warped wren]

if one of them is suddenly 4d then it's gg

[junior oyster]

Yea I'll try to be careful

[warped wren]

yeah it's just standard caveat emptor

[fierce moth]

Oh but ritual tides remind me of I don't play layers of fear remade version yet

I want to know how https://store.steampowered.com/app/2092840/The_Occultist/ going too

[twilit mountain]

agggggh I forgot Sirus cleanses poison when he teleports because the devs are assholes

[desert jasper]

Wait, he does that?

[twilit mountain]

Yup

Its bullshit

And no it isn't phase shifts. It's teleports.

[desert jasper]

Tbh can't say I've ever noticed that
... Now that I think about it, it's probably because the only dot build I've done sirus with was bleed

[twilit mountain]

Y'know. His main way of moving.

[desert jasper]

Yeah it shouldn't cleanse the poison

[fierce moth]

Hallow loves lots of game genres. Do she interested in horror games?

[twilit mountain]

Funny.

[twilit mountain]

She's a Resident Evil fan so I would say yes

[desert jasper]

Just realized I've been playing poe most of the day since I came back home
I should probably stop for the night

[twilit mountain]

GGG I am begging you, fix invisible desolation patches

It's the only thing in the fight that can kill me and it only happens because they ARENT THERE

[desert jasper]

Died to those a few times in zana maps during ultimatum
and the searing exarch runes too

[twilit mountain]

+5.5d

[twilit mountain]

I can tell you exactly why they both do that.

They both turn off regen/recovery

[desert jasper]

yoink
ny 5.5d now

my

[twilit mountain]

Sirus is dumb profitable if you have even a modicum of luck

It's like 30-40c per attempt and he has a like 20% chance to give you an orb worth 5d+ lol

[desert jasper]

Yeah, i noticed that. and they deal dmg quite fast too

I don't think i could farm sirus on this build
could ofc just take my slammer and slap sirus silly

[twilit mountain]

That be why I still have my pathfinder

[desert jasper]

Yeah
tbh I still haven't done feared

[twilit mountain]

Same, mainly because the change makes it awful to even get

Genuinely dogshit update for bossing

[desert jasper]

I just kinda hate the dread boss

[warped wren]

I did the Feared blind because every god damn fight in the Maven's crucible this league didn't load any textures

[desert jasper]

And I don't think I really have a build with high enough dps to do them efficiently so it would just be a frustrating experience
first shaper i accidentally maven witnessed and it dragged on too long for my taste

[twilit mountain]

first shaper i accidentally maven witnessed and it dragged on too long for my taste
FTFY

[desert jasper]

Well that's true too

[twilit mountain]

HAHAHAHAHA THE SHITASS BUG WHERE SIRUS PULLS YOU INTO METEOR FROM ENTRANCE IS STILL HERE

[desert jasper]

I got lucky and someone in global offered uber elder stone as i was in like.. tier 6 maps or something
the process to get there normally feels super slow to me

[twilit mountain]

Asshole. Give me my money.

[desert jasper]

It's always weird seeing where other people keep their scrolls
mine are at bottom right

[warped wren]

so true

[twilit mountain]

It's a hold over from before the key existed for me, it was always easier to flick my mouse to that corner in an emergency

[ivory swift]

Bottom right corner, with the portal scroll for me too 😄

I have muscle memory for my portal scroll, it doesn't even register a thought popping a portal anymore.

[twilit mountain]

Aight outta Sirus sets now. 3 orbs is pretty alright from 6 fights

[desert jasper]

Anyway, good night

[twilit mountain]

Night nub o/

[warped wren]

that's crazy good

[twilit mountain]

Ye

[junior oyster]

Is it 30% min here or the bottom one

[neon sigil]

Hey deias, do you play standard on poe2 at all?

[twilit mountain]

Good enough

[twilit mountain]

Nop. I play standard in zero ARPGs.

[neon sigil]

👀 Do you still have that jewel I sold you ages back?
I'm planning on playing a little standard this league, mess around with my blood barrier build.

[twilit mountain]

I should yeah

I'll need to reinstall so might have to give me a couple days

[warped wren]

minimum 30% packsize yeah

the bottom is for the packsize chisel

(do not, very expensive)

[neon sigil]

Ay, it's a huge help, appreciate ya doing that.
Thanks Deias!

[junior oyster]

Any reason why the guy is selling these for 17?

His other maps he was selling for 4

[neon sigil]

whats the quant and pack size on the other maps

[twilit mountain]

Free af mods, 100% quant, 60% rarity, nearlt 40% pack

[junior oyster]

Veried

Bought that for 4c

[twilit mountain]

Oh also inhabited by ghosts I'm pretty sure is good

Like, very good

[junior oyster]

Oh

I guess he wasn't scamming then

But for me I guess I don't need it

Yet

Unless boxes are good with ghosts too

[twilit mountain]

Not really no, ghosts are for a different strat entirely (you cannot run it)

[junior oyster]

If you don't mind can you explain it?

[twilit mountain]

Acquire the giga unique sword from uber somethingorother (idk the memory bosses), juice the absolute hell out legions with stasis scarab, find a rare mob in that legion to beat the shit out of as it spits like 80 ghosts into your map.

[junior oyster]

I see

[twilit mountain]

It drops a comical amount of unique items

And also you're immortal

I'm lowballing the ghost count, btw. It's so many that people with like $7k PCs go to single digit framerates.

[junior oyster]

I'd love to do this but chance to avoid poison sounds oof

[warped wren]

if you have some chaos you can invest, I recommend always having 10 diviner's incubators going in your gear

they cost 1c per, while decks are a div for 78 or something

so you're always almost doubling your money

obviously it gets better the more mob-heavy your maps are, but it's never not money

[junior oyster]

Oh they aren't on regular shop

Interesting

[warped wren]

yeah it's annoying but worth IMO

[junior oyster]

Does ilvl matter?

[warped wren]

nah

both ilvl 83 and 85 just give 1 deck per incubator

it's kinda shit but it builds up just playing the game so it's fine

[junior oyster]

Oh so don't buy ilvl76

got it

[warped wren]

idk about 76, can't go lower than 1 drop

lol

ornate incubators are another option but they're 4.5c per and odds of you hitting divs isn't really that high so I don't like it

same problem with skittering

diviners are just consistent, guaranteed profit

[junior oyster]

Hmm ilvl 83 ones are 2c atm

[warped wren]

wat

they went up?

[warped wren]

damn

there goes that then

[junior oyster]

It's ok lol

8mod is making me a decentish amount of gold so I can't complain

[warped wren]

yeah just put it into mappers

[warped wren]

search for minimum stacks of 10

they're 7c for 10 lmao

that's dirt cheap

[warped wren]

gottem

[twilit mountain]

Remember when Nimis was like, 10d? :(

[warped wren]

good days

🫂

[twilit mountain]

Genuinely so much better state imo. Opportunity for everyone to play with weird proj shenanigans.

[warped wren]

I am only buying this out of stubbornness because I don't want to play Firestorm of Pelting again

so I'd rather play Blazing Salvo

[twilit mountain]

Holy based

One of my favorite skills right there

Only reason I don't play it is because it takes so much investment to be even halfway decent

[warped wren]

yeah

Pelting does way more damage without Nimis

it just sucks for clear

and if you go BLOrb then it's a good substitute

but I hate BLOrb and I've played Pelting already

[twilit mountain]

BLOrb is so funny to say

Tumblr-ass word

[fierce moth]

First time wake up so early because "rescue" Yarn

[sand wigeon]

my smorgmorskis

[fierce moth]

🤔 What I experienced in 2025 is 2x richer or more than any years before. Tons of words available on the recap of 2025...

Or maybe I didn't experience so much like this year before so I didn't have the desire to make a recap

[warped wren]

the comedic timing of this video (and the information behind it) popping up now: https://youtu.be/e72QBcwIjEc?si=2H1mW4WtZJj0O1ak

I want to post in general but Kain will probably ban me or something lol

[fierce moth]

wait wait wait wait wait wait, The fate of VAAL!!!!????

Damn the only story I understand a bit and want to learn more in poe 2 is vaal, the vaal city

🤔 Who's Atziri?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHLl6Z6-ZeU
Oh... Remind of that

No chance for challenging her in poe temporally

[desert jasper]

... The queen of the Vaal

Also a thing in PoE1

[warped wren]

you can fight both normal and uber versions of her in PoE

[fierce moth]

🤔 so... GGG plan to deliver this poe thing to poe 2?

[warped wren]

should you want to (there's no point, her drops kinda suck)

[desert jasper]

Obviously.

Probably as how she was when she was still a human

[fierce moth]

I remembered I stuck on here last time lol

Corrupted blood killed me

[desert jasper]

Yes, it can be rough if you're not prepared.

[twilit mountain]

Acquire immunity.

[fierce moth]

I'm hyped because I want to know how GGG redesign the boss combat with current difficulty in poe 2

[desert jasper]

Also Atziri always has a bit of dmg reflect
Though I imagine you don't need to worry about that, Kirra

[desert jasper]

It's not going to be the same fight.

[fierce moth]

Sure, just will more epic

[twilit mountain]

Technically, only the mirror clone does in normal. But yeah uber Atz has 2% phys and ele reflect at all times

[warped wren]

what difficulty

[fierce moth]

👀 Will it as impressive as Silverfist or Viper?

[warped wren]

the "2" in Poe2 stands for the two game states: shi**y slog campaign when you have to do the combat dance, and the "endgame" where you're blowing up screens

there's no in between lmao

[desert jasper]

Honestly I forgot that part
It's been a long time since I fought the normal one

[twilit mountain]

Silverfist is probably the easiest boss in the game when he isn't bugged to hell

[fierce moth]

Pretty want to see the interaction between my chaos caster lich and Atziri

[fierce moth]

Campaign.

Campaign one will harder because of gears and first meet

[warped wren]

the campaign isn't difficult, it's straight up tedious. And if you're playing LA/LR Deadeye it's not even tedious because you just preload and delete everything. Tedium is reserved for all the non-GGG-favorite archetypes

[twilit mountain]

Hey it ain't too tedious for basic attack mace gaming either

[warped wren]

eh why am I even talking about PoE2, it inevitably pi**es me off (this word should really not be censored in an adult discord)

[warped wren]

real

[twilit mountain]

The best way to experience the PoE2 campaign is to wait like 3-5 days after league start so you can just get support gems and shit off other people and avoid the bullshit gating that is there

[desert jasper]

Hmm guess today shall be day 3 of comparing what the sensor shows to what it actually is by checking the blood
hooray for poking holes in the fingers

[twilit mountain]

Hooray for holy fingers

[desert jasper]

I'm still not fully awake and it took me like 30sec to understand that

[twilit mountain]

tyty, I'll be here all week

[desert jasper]

Hopefully not
You do need to rest and probably get some fresh air too

[twilit mountain]

I have a window /s

[gilded elm]

Whew, migrating to a fresh install of Windows from a nearly 4 year old install is a pain. So much crap accumulated over the years. Finally got that 4TB NVMe installed, now just gotta start setting everything back up again.

[warped wren]

I cannot wait for Gabe Cube

I'm sick of windows

[gilded elm]

Yeah, not a fan of Windows myself either, particularly the direction Windows 11 has been going. But I'm also one of the crazy people who adopted 11 very early on, nearly as soon as it released. Been using it since and it's... not a great experience. Sometimes I actually miss the days when I primarily ran Linux.

[warped wren]

But given how AI firms have eaten the RAM market alive, and with zero repercussions so this just how things are gonna be, I'm pretty sure personal PCs will just straight up become more and more unaffordable

[gilded elm]

Curious to see how good the SteamOS experience will be with the Steam Machine. It's already a very solid experience on the Steam Deck.

But somehow I doubt the Steam Machine will be a "desktop experience" ... guessing the focus will be more towards a console-like experience.

But Valve has the resources to pursue a quality desktop Linux experience, IMO they should totally enter the desktop computing space.

With Proton, they already made gaming in many cases more accessible to lower-end hardware because of the translation layer often being more performant than running games natively in Windows.

[desert jasper]

You can just use keyboard + mouse on it so it should be compareable to desktop probably

I hope it'll be good

[gilded elm]

I bought this last year, doesn't even appear to be selling anymore, no stock. I wonder if the price is crazier now with all the AI buying.

Oh yeah, found a listing lol

That's... insane.

[desert jasper]

I wish it didn't screw over regular customers

[gilded elm]

Yeah agreed, the crypto nonsense driving GPU prices during COVID was equally frustrating

[desert jasper]

Yeah

I was lucky enough back then that I didn't need to upgrade
Well, I could've gotten a lot better pc but eh

It's not like my current pc is a beast either

[gilded elm]

As much as I like AI from a software engineering point of view, it's so incredibly overhyped. I cannot wait for the AI bubble to burst and for investment firms to stop pouring so much money into overhyped and unrealized potential at the detriment of average consumers and employees.

[desert jasper]

Didn't Nvidia also say they're now an AI company, not a hardware company 🤔

[warped wren]

idk but I think the one tag that should apply to them is fraud company, given how they're indulging in what is effectively a money laundering loop with other AI firms lmfao

or not laundering

idk what tf to call it even

[gilded elm]

Investment loop? Not sure lol

But yeah, it's hilarious

NVIDIA and other large companies are basically just circle jerking each other with investments to prop up AI hype.

[warped wren]

it's like these guys are building a skyscraper of cards by continuouly removing the bottom layers of cards to build higher and higher stories and the bottom is being held up like Wile E Coyote running off a cliff

[desert jasper]

Nvidia did invest in.. Oracle, I think? that then invested in another company that invested in Nvidia

[warped wren]

and one day Wile E is going to look down

hoo boy do I not look forward to that day

[gilded elm]

Monopolies suck. But IMO, companies working together on a large scale to generate hype and investment for what is effectively a non-existent product is... well, that's just scummy.

[desert jasper]

Also sure, it makes it look like the ecnomoy is booming
But when it's just 3 companies investing in each other it suddenly doesn't look as good for the consumer

[gilded elm]

It's unsustainable too. At some people, significant gains need to happen or investors lose faith. It's always "AGI is right around the corner" but investors are surely getting tired of that line.

[warped wren]

AGI is right around the corner and the world is a sphere

[desert jasper]

AGI?

[warped wren]

Artificial General Intelligence

[desert jasper]

ah

[warped wren]

Aka scifi AI

[gilded elm]

Artificial General Intelligence. It's when AI as a technology reaches the threshold of outperforming humans.

And then there's ASI after that, which is AGI with sentience, effectively.

ASI is super theoretical, while AGI is also theoretical but more reasonable of a goal.

To be clear, we are nowhere near AGI right now. But the idea of AGI is one of the big things major AI companies are constantly trying to sell to would-be AI investors.

[warped wren]

there's barely even Artificial Specialized Intelligence that can function without human intervention

outside of EXTREMELY basic and limited tasks

this era will go down as the time of the biggest snakeoil salesmen in the history of humanity

[gilded elm]

It doesn't help that all of the snakeoil salesmen are also the top 10 companies on the S&P500. So when the AI bubble does burst, my retirement account is likely going to take a considerable hit in the short-term, heh.

There was a group of people who left our company a couple years back to go form a little known company (at the time) called CoreWeave. Which today, is one of the bigger players in the AI space. I'm a bit envious of them, because they all cashed out millions of dollars.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I'd be kinda envious too

[gilded elm]

Well, not formed. They joined that company in its infancy and basically helped build out the entire thing. Those guys each walked away with millions after OpenAI's investment.

[desert jasper]

lvl 97 now
definitely getting slower on the exp gain

[warped wren]

97+ is quite a grind

I usually don't do it

I think last league I pushed to 98 on the Champ because it had Svalinn AND MB and 30 Fortify

but otherwise it's just oo much of a pain

[desert jasper]

Well
I'm not really thinking about it grinding for exp currently
just going for them challenges

Finishing these 2 puts me to 34

And almost 2/4 on the end game grinds
then I'll just need to decide if I want to go for 100 argus kills or 75 pinnacle bosses
the 100 mods on invitations should come without problems

100 argus would be really fast if it's in the first room or 2nd room

[warped wren]

man, I just sank like 140d into items for my next build

and then discovered ANOTHER build I wanna do

[desert jasper]

[warped wren]

like this is actually brilliant: https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1p4rfp0/rage_vortex_of_berserking_bannerman_5_divines_to/

even his aspirational POB isn't really that expensive but it's still like 30-40d

dammit

bigger issue is the time commitment

[desert jasper]

@mental talon I got the fragments for uber incarnation of fear & incarnation of neglet

[desert jasper]

What build was that?

[warped wren]

lifestack inquisitor with Foulborn Ghostwrithe + EB + Spellblade

your ES is set at 50% of your max life, and then you use Energy Blade + Spellblade to gain damage through that as well as Rathpith Globe

I just got the gear, have yet to level it

[desert jasper]

Ah yea, that stuff

[warped wren]

it definitely doesn't need to be 140d either, I'm just stubborn and wanted to use the setup with Blazing Salvo so got a Nimis

you can just use other spells

[desert jasper]

Blazing Salvo looks cool and I've always wanted to play it
but then I realize I suck at playing spellcasters

[warped wren]

this is an absurdly tanky caster

you can just stand in whatever

7k regen, max block and spell block, and I also have a Progenesis

[desert jasper]

I see

[warped wren]

this map was a bit much

multi proj + inc aoe + turbo and then the map spawns goats as the natural mob type

come on

have a heart GGG

[desert jasper]

Goats can be scary

[warped wren]

it's a rippy strat anyway

wisped harby+beyond

[desert jasper]

I might throw in a beyond scarab when I run out of the strongbox ones

[warped wren]

beyond just as a loose add on is a waste

you need to go the whole hog for there to be any purpose

[sand wigeon]

pork rinds and all

[warped wren]

honestly before this league Beyond was just garbonzo outside of stacking mob count for deli orb farms

but then they nerfed ground loot across the board

so now jacking up your kills every map through any means necessary is an actual valid strat again

[desert jasper]

This looks like money 🤔

Saw ones without the es + accuracy rating for 2div

someone actually paid 5div for it

[sage flame]

Not to doompreach but I'm gonna leave this here

https://youtu.be/e72QBcwIjEc

oh right rip embeds

[mental talon]

Just woke up, I got you with w.e. you need Nub

[mental talon]

I'd probably list that at 50ish Div and lower it over time. T1 ES with 1 off perfect, perfectly rolled T1 Crit Multi as well as triple good added flat? Yeah that's a lot of money and it even has a little bit of Accuracy which isn't wasted

[desert jasper]

ah well
sold already
getting back to the pc in a few minutes

[stone anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[desert jasper]

I'll come to your hideout then so you don't get the EU lag

[stone anvil]

at least poe isn't competitive game that requires lowest ping like valorant

[ebon meadow]

We are not competitive we are just degens

[ebon meadow]

I mean I guess this a melenial thing but quake3 as a fun game ? Why

[stone anvil]

I was playing serious sam last week so I can only say 'yes' 😂

[desert jasper]

Ah, I guess I should head out to visit the parents
Gonna warm up the sauna

[stone anvil]

sounds finland but must be pretty nice

[desert jasper]

it has its moments

[ebon meadow]

Sauna sounds awesome

Cold beer and water on coal is heaven

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3242750/Level_Devil/

You're going to hate the dev.
Game looks fun

It provide a funny and unexpecting experience without requiring me to guess what dev want me to do

[desert jasper]

Don't got beer
but yeah, it sounds great

And ofc there was no wood in the sauna to burn so had to get some from outside and it's all cold
gonna take longer to get it hot

[junior oyster]

Thank you mappers!

[stone anvil]

mappers sounds funny lol

nice for divine though 😂

[ebon meadow]

You guys have to have a personal ace for sauna

I would , Damascus steel hatchet with a fade would be my friend

I am actually booking a sauna trip after BPL lul it has been some years and my lungs need it

[twilit mountain]

LMAO I BOUGHT SOMETHING FROM YOU THIS LEAGUE WHEEZY

I don't remember what it was but I distinctly remember fumbling over the name like 6 times trying to read it

Yes I've noticed I read who sent the message wrong, I just got up, point being, I know I was there

[junior oyster]

Bro poe feels so laggy now

wth

[twilit mountain]

It does that sometimes, sometimes it just fixes itself after an instance reset

[junior oyster]

I closed the game and reopened

This was before I even opened maps

[mental talon]

ChrisMisprintMTGCard? That's me.

[stone anvil]

If you are eu, try different servers

[junior oyster]

I can't tell but is it my network?

[stone anvil]

Idk If its 441 mbps or ping

[junior oyster]

Nope speeds are fine

At times like this I find launching d3 best because that game gives you a good answer to your net ping lol

[stone anvil]

good idea

[junior oyster]

Only issue is I don't have bnet downloaded lol

[stone anvil]

I hate it

also riot's app: vanguard

[desert jasper]

Wonder what it was

[desert jasper]

personal axe you mean?
Nah the wood was in shed but it's not heated

But it must've been crap if someone bought it from me

[desert jasper]

Also the character was originally IskeMua which means HitMe
but then friend said it should've been masochistmike

[twilit mountain]

I have in fact been buying dogshit for the purpose of not having to click alterations for three hours and instead just gambling on moving stuff to the base I want

Two items with one mod each I want out of the 5-6 they have? Bet, pull the damn lever.

[desert jasper]

Fair, fair
anyway, sauna is hot enough so time to go relax

[twilit mountain]

Enjoy!

[ebon meadow]

If u can somehow easily acces to blacksmith that make u a personal one hand hatched, that would be an awesome thing to have damaskus steel or blue fade for me as preference

I use palm cutting tree tools today they are awesome

Personlised tajamata should be really fun tools that look like a crazy weapons

[fair aspen]

hey, does anyone have experience solving bluetooth connectivity issues?

My mouse is acting weird, like sometimes it works well, then it just lags behind a bit, and then works well again

I've gone through a bunch of YT videos already, updated my motherboard drivers, still acting the same

I think it is something with my bluetooth on my motherboard, but I don't want to reinstall BIOS or update it unless we are 100% sure that's the problem or until we've tried pretty much everything

[stone anvil]

you can try different ports If u are using 3.0 or 2.0

[fair aspen]

I'm downloading Logitech Options+ now as I'm using an Mx Master 3S mouse

I don't have a bluetooth stick. The one that came with the mouse seems to have no effect. It's plugged out now and still the same issue, so I think my PC is using its own bluetooth

I've tried it in 3.0 and 2.0 but made no difference

also tried it in the front and back slots, no difference

[stone anvil]

have you tried this on different pc

[fair aspen]

I'm scared to turn off bluetooth to force the mouse USB bluetooth stick

I only have 1 pc and 1 mac

but I have 2x mouse

of the same

and they both lag

[stone anvil]

If mouses have still warranty, maybe get refund or different mouses?

it sounds like, you got this problem recently

[fair aspen]

they don't but they work fine with my Mac

yes, it's been getting more frequent now

[stone anvil]

maybe windows updates caused this?

[fair aspen]

so both mice work perfectly on my macbook

I don't remember, it could be

this morning it was playable

now it's so bad

it feels like it has a huge ping

[stone anvil]

so interesting lol

how many devices you have on pc bluetooth?

[fair aspen]

I wonder how could I force the mouse's little USB bluetooth receiver instead of the motherboard bluetooth

only 1 on bluetooth

the keyboard is USB, monitors are HDMI and DP

the rest are not connected

should I try this?

the sketchy thing is that I don't have a USB mouse. So if I brick my bluetooth, I'm fcked 😄

[stone anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/logitech/comments/11kam6i/mx_master_3s_lagging_cursor_skips_around_till_it/

Open Device Manager > Universal Serial Bus controllers

Search for Intel(R) USB 3.10 (and/or 3.20) eXtensible Host Controller - 1.20 (Microsoft) and click on Properties. Go to the Power Management tab and uncheck "Allow the computer to run off this device to save power".

people say- it worked

so its worth to try

[fair aspen]

It was already unchecked 🙁

I turned off my bluetooth for a sec, and the little stick didn't work, so I turned it back on with my keyboard

I'll look into how to connect the mouse to the USB stick that came in the same box

alright, I've managed to pair it with the dongle again

it seems to be good now

thanks for the help!

[stone anvil]

did nothing but you are welcome lol

[fair aspen]

at least I wasn't alone bro

[desert jasper]

I aint got that kind of money
I also live in an apartment in the middle of the city so not like i could just chop trees

[junior oyster]

I realised why my game was so laggy

I had vpn on

[desert jasper]

That might explain a thing

[desert jasper]

But why fumble over such a simple name? Kappa

[fierce moth]

Which game exhibition is it?

[ebon meadow]

rhe amount of xdddsss

:lmao

[stone anvil]

this girl was playing WWM this week

[ebon meadow]

there answer is yes

[fierce moth]

Thanks... North Europe

[ebon meadow]

wait evem a COD ? my house keys and wallet are on the table

put a ring on it

[jade jackal]

never put a ring on streamers

not in a hundred million years and 100 therapy sessions after

[fierce moth]

She's not a hobbit

[ebon meadow]

pooor soul u think streamers are a sail like , xddd

[desert jasper]

She's also engaged to another streamer & they live together

[jade jackal]

Sounds like happy ending to me than

[desert jasper]

Yeah, they're both nice ppl
Used to talk a lot with her boyfriend when he was still a smaller streamer

[jade jackal]

fair enough

The only thing i would want now is to be in Stockholm

so i could drive to friends nearby and spend the weekend fishing and hiking

[desert jasper]

It's been... I think about 28 years or so since I was in Stockholm last time

[ebon meadow]

..xdd

[jade jackal]

Ive been there about twice, very pretty city

Though all the smaller towns on the way are also worth visiting

[desert jasper]

I don't really have many reasons to go to sweden

[jade jackal]

For me its photography and nature, though i do have close friends i stay at there

Essentially free airbnb

I like to go around and just click my camera

[desert jasper]

I don't have any friends in sweden

Well I do but we talk like
once a month if that so it would be weird going to see her

[jade jackal]

I think Sweden is worth visiting even without friends

lots of cool locations

[desert jasper]

I already live in a country with plenty of cool locations

[fierce moth]

Sure. I want to eat Sweden meat balls in Sweden

[desert jasper]

Quite a lot in my home town even

Eh swedish meatballs aren't that special
You can easily make those

and ikea meatballs are especially a meme

[ebon meadow]

ikea meatballs are overhyped

[jade jackal]

Its absolutely great

IKEA meatballs and genuine Swedish meatballs have nothing in common

[fierce moth]

I want to go to visit Demark at first, for Lego. Then is Belgium, for chocolate. Then France, for pastry. Then Sweden, for meatballs. Then Italy, for Gelato and pizza. Then German, for sausages, Benz and gamescom.

If I have a chance to take a trip in Europe... This is my plan

Oh... A thing I will do all the time in these countries is... Find and visit as more gothic cathedrals as possible.

[jade jackal]

Just dont try and stick to preconcieved notions about these places, and dont fall into tourist traps

These places has a lot more going for them than a game of association

There are castles and old forges, there are unique traditions and holidays

[fierce moth]

3 things I want to explore the most in my travel: Cheese, desserts and architectures

[jade jackal]

That's a good choice

I also found myself appreciating a lot of the old architecture while stuffing myself

Some smaller locations feel magical

[fierce moth]

Nature landscape from anywhere in Europe is amazing for me

[jade jackal]

I try and combine activities, if i go camping and fishing i also do photography at the time

one of the fishing spots during moonlight

[desert jasper]

Absolutely gorgeous

[fierce moth]

It's quite sucks when you can learn gothic cathedrals from pictures on pinterest only... I want to see real ones.

[jade jackal]

These are like some of the small islands you can kayak to

tons of those there

Those small islands are perfect camping and fishing spots you can canoe/kayak to

[junior oyster]

Could have been 2divs

[desert jasper]

The bear statue is at a nature preserve area here

[jade jackal]

Bjorn family

[junior oyster]

Got this instead

[desert jasper]

ez more money than the 2divs

[jade jackal]

0.4 is at Dec 12th right?

[junior oyster]

No idea I'm skipping

[jade jackal]

burnt out on the game?

[junior oyster]

Yea I usually do 1 league a year

[jade jackal]

1 a year, ok ok

[desert jasper]

yes

[junior oyster]

That's also for poe1 and other games

[jade jackal]

Technically, i also do 1 PoE2 league a year lol

[desert jasper]

And on 4th they reveal

[junior oyster]

I'm not strict on the 1 league a year btw

But it's rare for me to do multiple leagues

[jade jackal]

I might wanna try the Druid

even tho its not my typical class

Druid fantasy never clicked with me

[desert jasper]

I'll probably start a druid
and immensely regret it later

[twilit mountain]

As will probably 80% of the playerbase

[desert jasper]

regret it or start it?

[twilit mountain]

Yep.

[jade jackal]

[desert jasper]

[ebon meadow]

we will all start druid no matter how bad it is

the thing of build exploration is to big

[desert jasper]

Or maybe I'll play more poison
and get ez money from selling druid gear

[ebon meadow]

now i have to many things to play bpl finishes as poe2 start then its christmas and stuff