📚┃off-topic

[tawny sand]

i think deadeye was the one i played the most in .1

[gilded elm]

I just really hated the reload mechanic

[tawny sand]

seems i got her to 70

but i don't think i got very far in maps or anything, i'm pretty sure i just started new chars

[gilded elm]

I got to late mapping in 0.1 with a Merc/Gemling using Bow. I think skill was Lightning Rod + Orb of Storms (spell)

[tawny sand]

oh they changed the orb of storms / lightning rod interaction at some point it seems, that was funny

now it takes a while to proc

wasn't it immediate?

[gilded elm]

Aw man

That was my Gemling build! I thought that was a really cool interaction too

You drop Orb of Storms and just spam Lightning Rod

Tanked FPS though lmao

[tawny sand]

yeah lol

i did it the other way, shot lightning rod and then dropped orb of storms

i remember it being like a grenade

[gilded elm]

It's been a while so I don't remember the exact mechanic, but it was something like...

• Drop Orb of Storms
• Each use of Lightning Rod would proc Orb of Storms
• (I think) each Orb of Storms proc chained to Lightning Rod

It was a wild interaction.

[tawny sand]

yeah

[gilded elm]

It was actually so fun I hope they didn't nerf that so hard lol

[tawny sand]

lol

[gilded elm]

I think for scaling the damage I took the support gem that made it so you could have more than one Orb of Storms

The chaining and procs got out of hand

Servers going down in 30ish mins, last chance to do any last minute stash tab organizing or whatever until update.

(For anyone who doesn't know, stash tabs in new leagues use the same layout as the parent league)

[tawny sand]

yeah i organized my tabs in standard yesterday

idk when we'll be able to convert our tabs to merchant tabs, i guess after the league launches

i'll probably just do one here and there as i need them

[gilded elm]

Yeah I saved some tabs for conversion. I assume after the update, yeah

I think it's supposed to be on the PoE2 website, in your account? Not there yet, but I'm guessing it'll show up somewhere on this page: https://pathofexile2.com/my-account/overview

[tawny sand]

yeah it's the account page on the poe2 website

[gilded elm]

Did they say whether quad tabs can be converted?

[tawny sand]

I do not think quads can be converted?

i saw someone say that somewhere

[gilded elm]

Ah, you're right

That changes things a little bit then. I've got a couple quads saved that I should probably just use for something else then.

[desert jasper]

Oh
Apparently I did get one char to 70, one to 71
before I stopped

[tawny sand]

hopefully the conversion page shows the names we gave the tabs, i named mine

instead of like numbers lol

[gilded elm]

Honestly, I need more quads. I really don't like using the regular sized tabs for storage.

[tawny sand]

i prefer the regular ones

my hands shake so the smaller icons are harder for me

[gilded elm]

Yeah, that is the downside of quads for sure.

[tawny sand]

i do use quads for general item dumps though like when i was running sekhemas

but i only have 3 quads, i don't see myself getting more

[gilded elm]

I hate that we don't have a better way to store the Sanctum/Ultimatum tokens though

[tawny sand]

fr

[gilded elm]

Also, still no Expedition Locker? wtf

[tawny sand]

isn't it at the expedition npcs?

i'm not sure now

[gilded elm]

Is it really? omg

[tawny sand]

when i was playing poe1 it was, there wasn't an expedition tab to buy or anything cause i looked

maybe i'm wrong though?

[gilded elm]

I know there's a Relic Locker for the Sekhema relics

[tawny sand]

yeah dunno

i haven't played poe2 since .1 so idk

[gilded elm]

Yeah don't think Expedition Locker is a thing yet in PoE2

[tawny sand]

ah okay

[gilded elm]

No breach tab yet either? Crazy

[tawny sand]

no swords, no breach, no expedition, bad game tbh

lol

[gilded elm]

And friggin tablets man lmao

Fix your game GGG

[tawny sand]

lol

[gilded elm]

At least there's Runes/Socketables tab now

[tawny sand]

yeah

[gilded elm]

And Ritual, for what that's worth. I barely get any omens any way lol

All the omens I got in 0.1 apparently.

We got a tab for this, but not Breach lmao

Breach tab would've been more useful probably

[tawny sand]

breach is such a fun mechanic

[gilded elm]

It is super fun but I just kept getting my ass handed to me.

They were deadly in 0.1, maybe that changed a bit

[tawny sand]

oh yeah imeant in poe1

i didn't do a lot of maps and when i did i died a lot in poe2

so i ended up helping friends get through the campaign instead

[gilded elm]

Yeah, the events are fun if you can survive. The surviving part is just a lot harder in PoE2

Delirium also was fun

Strongboxes seem to have gotten better, but still don't seem to be on the same level of fun as they are in PoE1 though

While I was playing the past couple days, I still had a desire of wanting to skip strongboxes a lot of the time. I never get this feeling in PoE1, I always wanna do strongboxes.

[tawny sand]

i don't even remember the strongboxes in poe2

[gilded elm]

They're mainly very slow

They spawn in waves

[tawny sand]

ew

[gilded elm]

It's not as bad as it was in 0.1 though

[tawny sand]

i dislike wave mechanics

[gilded elm]

But still way worse than PoE1's

Rewards seem good enough though

The gameplay is just iffy

[tawny sand]

i was playing deadzone rogue and it had a wave thing and i hated it

ok game otherwise though

[gilded elm]

Trying to pinpoint what makes strongboxes less fun, it's hard to say. I mean, it would be more fun if it wasn't wave-based, but I don't think being wave-based makes it inherenly unfun.

[desert jasper]

If it was faster spawning instead of taking ages to spawn all of them

[gilded elm]

Yeah, the rate of spawning could be it. Or maybe the lack of density?

[desert jasper]

Could be both

[gilded elm]

Like you kill a small pack and you're sitting there waiting for the next pack. The small pack didn't feel good to kill maybe because it was just a small pack, no density. And on top of that you're sitting there waiting for the next small pack.

[desert jasper]

Also spawning monsters too far away so sometimes not all of them even come to you and is stuck behind a wall

[gilded elm]

Yes! That's too. A lot of the times you have to look for stray monsters while you wait around wondering why the next pack hasn't spawned or something.

In PoE1 it's just one big pack and it feels good to kill them instantly and get a plethora of drops.

I think that's why I like Breach and Delirium too. There's just so much density, and you feel adequately rewarded for plowing through huge packs.

[desert jasper]

My first experience with Delirium in PoE2
some monster instantly jumped at me and instakilled me

how fun, losing a map like that

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, that's awful

PoE2 problem in general, everything is dialed up for no apparently good reason. Not saying it should be trivial, but there is a good in-between there. Something between PoE1's easy mode and PoE2's getting oneshot.

[tawny sand]

let's hope .3 is at least somewhat better

i'm huffing the hopium

[desert jasper]

It was in 0.1... or some hotfix after that
but yeah
I kinda didn't even try more delirium after that

[gilded elm]

Me too, but .1 was basically PoE2 in its worst state and I still managed to have fun with it for hundreds of hours until I burnt out (and skipped .2 entirely). So my expectation is that .3 can only be better, even if it's not a relatively huge leap from .2's perspective (though I'm hearing from others that it actually is).

[desert jasper]

I've 62 hours in it

[tawny sand]

oh yeah don't get me wrong, i have 176 hours in it

according to steam

[gilded elm]

A lot of it was co-op for sure, which was great fun

PoE2 as a co-op campaign experience was actually really fun

[tawny sand]

co-op felt a lot harder to me than solo play

yeah it was fun tho

[gilded elm]

Yeah it was harder than solo, but it reminded me of challenging raids in Lost Ark a bit

[tawny sand]

i want to give lost ark a try but the endgame doesn't seem like my jam

[twilit mountain]

Lost Ark is.... ugh. Good concepts ruined by bad monetization and horrific amounts of bloat

[gilded elm]

If ya want my advice, the Lost Ark train has long since been gone. I don't see much hope in the game for a new player.

[tawny sand]

i figured that might be the case yeah

with black desert they at least have the like seasonal servers or w/e, and i had fun mindless grinding in that

but dropped it after a while

[gilded elm]

It's extremely new player unfriendly, you will be constantly rejected from public groups based on gear and experience and nobody is willing to spend the time to teach new players how to get good because everyone is busy doing daily and weekly raids across their entire roster which occupies all of their playtime.

[twilit mountain]

It also tries too hard to be "complex" and makes endgame gameplay rather frustrating (yes, please make me have to manage the cooldowns and chaining of three sets of twelve keys that I have to swap between all the time, that's exactly what I want)

[tawny sand]

are you checking out .3 deias?

[twilit mountain]

No

[gilded elm]

I think there's room for complexity in end game raiding. My personal diagnosis of Lost Ark's core problem is how much time and effort it demands from you. The community's attitude towards new players is (IMO) a by product of how the game sucks the life out of you, it doesn't garner a community that is willing to hold new player hands and teach them the game.

[twilit mountain]

I agree that complexity is fine, I don't think that managing 36 cooldowns is complex, I think it's tedious and annoying

[tawny sand]

i was watching nugi play that corepunk game earlier, i wonder if that'd be any good

[gilded elm]

Ah, yeah. Too much micro sucks, for sure. In general though, I'm partially a fan of the party wipe stuff that just required everyone to learn the limited set of mechanics to a boss raid.

[tawny sand]

also does anyone remember the magic the gathering arpg?

[gilded elm]

But a lot of those also got nerfed in the name of "new player friendliness" which I think was a misdiagnosis of the problem. The problem wasn't that raids were too hard. The problem is that there's nobody to teach people how to do the hard raids and this is because everyone has a completely full roster of characters that they're doing weekly raids with and it literally consumes all of their time and creates burnout from the game. "Just play less characters" isn't a good argument (which people do make) either because there's an advantage to playing more characters.

[tawny sand]

i played the beta for that before it was cancelled

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I remember watching mtg arpg
they ended up refunding everyone who spent money on it

Can't remember a thing about the game though tbh
apart from that it was a thing

[gilded elm]

Wonder what this was about, no patch notes yet

[desert jasper]

🤔

[tawny sand]

same, i don't remember anything about it

[karmic nimbus]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1154030/view/517471393211744778

released 20min ago

[fierce moth]

Poe 2 playtime?

[gilded elm]

Weird! Not showing up in my library on the TQ2 page

But thanks, now I can read the notes lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah

[fierce moth]

I want to know your le playtime too

870h is quite impressive

[gilded elm]

haha

My LE playtime is very small compared to most dedicated players I would assume

[karmic nimbus]

ye idk i took those from their discord announcements

[gilded elm]

Ah, I'm not in there. Which... I should be

There we go, now I am

[karmic nimbus]

🙃

[gilded elm]

Preload is available

[desert jasper]

That's nice internet you got there

Mine is downloading 2.9Mbps

[mental talon]

⏩

[tawny sand]

mine is 2.0MB/s

[gilded elm]

Bottlenecked by my SSD lmao

[mental talon]

I built a new PC this year (minus GPU because they didnt exist so my 3080 rocking for another 2 yers) I dont regret

[gilded elm]

So many ARPG discords

Oops, forgot to include Slormancer there!

[tawny sand]

what's the bottom one

[gilded elm]

That's the spooky one we don't talk about.

aka Diablo

[tawny sand]

lol it's funny i recognize the d2 mod but not the actual diablo discord

[gilded elm]

Also funny that it's a Diablo icon and the game still has no Diablo

I put it at the bottom because I basically have no reason anymore to go there, not until the game manages to attract my interest again

[junior stirrup]

weeee

Steam is winning 😛

[gilded elm]

Nice speed, nerd!

Mine's done

You'd think being in NZ would let you get it instantly! Hah

Just add your PC to the deploy pipeline

[mental talon]

https://pathofexile2.com/my-account/manage/merchants-tabs

[gilded elm]

Also best of luck to you @junior stirrup and everyone else there. I imagine today is going to be a crazy day for you guys.

[fierce moth]

hah?

[tawny sand]

"This upgrade option is not available for Stash Tabs that were converted to Premium Stash Tabs via the "Upgrade to Premium Stash Tab" purchase."

[fierce moth]

I'm confused why you can pre-download from client now

[gilded elm]

Everyone should be able to right now. Mine finished on Steam just now.

[twilit mountain]

But. Why?

[gilded elm]

Yeah that's a really weird restriction.

[tawny sand]

🤷

[gilded elm]

They made it sound like any Premium Tab was okay as long as you got it before the update.

Of the 17 premium tabs I have, apparently only 2 are eligible... which is all I wanted to convert initially any way, but still seems a bit weird of a restriction.

[tawny sand]

Oh weird, all mine were eligible i think

[twilit mountain]

I'll check when I get back home, I'm curious

[narrow token]

What are you trying to do exactly?

[junior stirrup]

Not your fault for once 😄

[junior stirrup]

More appear as you go, from the looks of Tri's stream.

[gilded elm]

GGG gave us the ability to convert Premium Stash Tabs to Merchant Stash Tabs as long as they were purchased before the 0.3 update.

[junior stirrup]

4/42 initially for me 😄

[gilded elm]

Ah, interesting.

[narrow token]

What does a merchant tab do?

[junior stirrup]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3828185

[twilit mountain]

Used for asynchronous trade

[tawny sand]

it's for the async trading

[gilded elm]

The merchant tabs are for the new asynchronous trading feature. Trading while offline basically.

[twilit mountain]

Now add it to PoE1 already so I can finally stop suffering there

[gilded elm]

Next league yay, in 2 months I think?

October I think is the next PoE1 league

[twilit mountain]

Shitass experience of scrolling three pages to find a real seller >:(

[gilded elm]

Not just scrolling, but also whispering and never getting a reply back lol

[twilit mountain]

The thousand yard stare that comes in trying to trade for anything mildly expensive and finding out half the listings are fixers

[gilded elm]

Upgraded the 2 eligible tabs and yeah, it now says 5 more are eligible lol

[twilit mountain]

Or back during Necropolis when multiple corpses were ALL fixed and it was literally impossible to trade for some

[gilded elm]

I'll stick with 2 for now, I don't think I need more than that yet.

[hot crown]

...bruh.

[tawny sand]

i'm just gonna do 2 for now too

[fierce moth]

... Guys I even can't enter the web

[gilded elm]

GGG servers that you're trying to access are probably getting hammered

Maybe just needs a bit of time

[fierce moth]

Entered but no way to upgrade 🤔

[gilded elm]

Did those used to be normal tabs and then you upgraded them to premium? It says you can't upgrade those to merchant's tabs

[fierce moth]

Oh then I need to purchase merchant tab

[narrow token]

Cool. I converted 7/8 tabs. I guess one is ineligible for w/e reason.

[gilded elm]

So on the trade site, is there supposed to be an option somewhere to search only for async tradeable items?

[tawny sand]

i have no idea, but i would hope so

[gilded elm]

Ah is that what "Instant Buyout" means

[tawny sand]

oh i think i know why you can't use the "tabs upgraded to premium" for conversion, the're not the same price as a merchant's tab

at least i guess that's the reason

[gilded elm]

And also you get one for free as a new account, I think

[blissful token]

hmm idk what to play

[gilded elm]

Or more than one? I don't remember how many normal tabs new accounts get

[tawny sand]

you get 4 free normal tabs i think?

they just don't ahve premium features like renaming/affinities/etc

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and then you can upgrade them to premium can't you?

[tawny sand]

yeah, the upgrade is 15 coins per tab

[gilded elm]

So I guess the restriction does makes sense

[tawny sand]

a premium and merchant tab is 40 coins

yeah

[gilded elm]

It makes sense, but it sounds like they didn't communicate this so I'm seeing a lot of people upset about it on Reddit lol

Or if they did communicate it, they didn't do a good job of it because seems like nobody knew.

[tawny sand]

i didn't know personally

[gilded elm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1n3ey5a/this_upgrade_option_is_not_available_for_stash/

[tawny sand]

not that it matters to me cause i have other tabs but yeah

[ebon meadow]

Reddit is upset ? No way

[tawny sand]

eh, i'm pretty sure ggg didn't say anything about it. i didn't know until i saw it on the conversion page

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, I'm about 90% sure the same

[gilded elm]

Even if they did, seems like a good majority of people didn't know and this seems like the kind of thing you would have wanted to communicate very loud and clear.

[twilit mountain]

IMHO it really wouldn't hurt them to make changes to allow the base tabs to list as normal trade tabs, even before merchant tabs

[gilded elm]

GGG should take the L and let people convert at least 1 or 2 "upgraded" tabs.

[tawny sand]

wait, does it not work for normal tabs you bought and then upgraded later either? I see some comments that sort of imply that?

[twilit mountain]

GGG? Admitting fault?

[tawny sand]

that's pretty wild

[gilded elm]

Yeah

If the tab started as normal, even if you bought it, and then later upgraded it, you can't convert.

[twilit mountain]

Yeah it's really shitty of them imo

[tawny sand]

i get not the free tabs you get, like the first 4 or w/e, but ones you bought and upgraded later should work imo

[gilded elm]

I think a good chunk of people buy the normal stash tab bundles

And then later they upgrade a few

[tawny sand]

oh huh, i've only ever bought premiums

[twilit mountain]

I've bought some normals before but vast majority are premium

[gilded elm]

Basically the normal stash tab bundles are great for people who want a lot of cheap storage space I think

[twilit mountain]

I have like 40 something tabs total. Maybe 50.

[fierce moth]

do you have any premium stash available to upgrade?

[twilit mountain]

I'm not home yet

[gilded elm]

6x Normal Tab Bundle is the same price as 1x Premium Quad Tab, so if you buy a lot of the bundles you start to get really good value on space.

[tawny sand]

yeah this past weekend they had a stash sale, so i bought a bunch of premium bundles with what points i had left after donating some to my friend guild

tho idk if all my friends are playing

i know 1 is, but he's the big poe nerd of the group in general so we did a few points between us

[gilded elm]

There might be new stash tabs since you last played: https://pathofexile2.com/shop/stash-tabs

I think maybe Socketable and Ritual

[tawny sand]

yeah i boughth sockets and ritual too

we actually added a socket tab to the guild i think

i would have to check

also did you know the guild tabs don't cross over between games? afaik

[gilded elm]

Yeah, because guilds don't cross over

[tawny sand]

oooohhh

that makes sense then

we have a poe1 guild and 2 guild for our group of friends so i must've forgot that's the case

[fierce moth]

lol I remind of...

[gilded elm]

Your account can belong to different guilds in PoE1 vs PoE2, basically

[tawny sand]

makes sense, i remember needing to be invited in both now yeah

[gilded elm]

Though to be honest, it's wild to me that most of our MTX is shared across both games. We're a bit desensitized to the idea now, but it was genuinely crazy when they first announced it a couple years ago.

[tawny sand]

yeh

[mental talon]

Im in HOLY

[gilded elm]

The number isn't moving, classic

[tawny sand]

i still have 5 hours to download 😭

[fierce moth]

I still can't download 🫂

[gilded elm]

Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail lmao

[fierce moth]

It keep checking but just don't download anything 🤔

[fierce moth]

Glad to see more and more people have the same issue xd

[maiden widget]

i could up 2 of my 15 tabs lul

[gilded elm]

It's weird. When I upgraded the 2 tabs it said I could, it then showed me 5 more tabs I could upgrade.

[tawny sand]

mathil is also having patching issues, he using the standalone

[gilded elm]

Standalone patch servers might be less resilient than Steam's content servers.

Even zao was showing earlier that Steam's servers were performing better.

[maiden widget]

is the free weekend on steam as well?

[fierce moth]

Chinese bank is resting now so I can't give GGG money even I want to buy merchant tab xd

Maybe I should take a look on how this thing going on at first

[gilded elm]

Seems so. It's being advertised on Steam

[fierce moth]

The downloading just interrupted by error window :(

I just want to complete the download then go to bed

[maiden widget]

interesting, but yeah steam is kinda amazing nowadays given the amount of users

gonna try lepoch on win10 now, it doesnt run too well on my linux sadly

[gilded elm]

Make sure you were running LE through Proton and not the Linux native version (if that's even still a thing).

"Linux native" builds in general for games are a trap these days.

[maiden widget]

used my win install, on encountering random beasts my fps went down to a max of 15 and barely any cpu/gpu usage

just got worse with different proton versions

[gilded elm]

NVIDIA card?

[maiden widget]

yep

[fierce moth]

alright still no luck. Mrs. pillow, hi

[gilded elm]

Were you using the proprietary drivers or were you instead using something like nouveau?

[maiden widget]

used the proprietary ones on endeavour os, got mostly ok performance but many weird bugs

[gilded elm]

Ah, weird

[maiden widget]

darktide also didnt really run well so i'll probs just go back to 10 or get 11 soon

not too keen on tinkering much more

[gilded elm]

GE-Proton might be worth a shot if you haven't tried that

10 is EOL in a month or so I thought, so no more security updates

[maiden widget]

they give you 1 more year if you press a button

eol is end of october if you dont

[gilded elm]

Oops, I mean no more "regular" updates. You should still get security updates I think

[maiden widget]

yeah but also only if you press that button

if not you get nothing anymore

[gilded elm]

Kinda weird. Security updates should be unconditionally provided for a period of time because it's in Microsoft's best interest.

[maiden widget]

kinda wish i went amd to get better linux support but their cards didnt fit my cases

[maiden widget]

well technically their best interest is moving all customers onto one platform (11) so i guess they go do that now

but yeah imo you should need to provide sec updates far longer

[gilded elm]

Yeah but strongarming people into migrating is not a sound tactic either, so inevitably you will end up with a ton of people finding ways to stay on 10 (like they did with 7, and XP before that) and you end up with a ton of vulnerable PCs.

So end of life should be done in phases IMO

First you stop the regular updates, then eventually you stop the security updates

[maiden widget]

if 11 didnt try to force so many things win10 pcs didnt have by default i'd say its mostly on people

but yeah given many pcs dont support 11 they should be forced to provide longer support

[gilded elm]

I learned that TPM is surprisingly widely supported even across older generation CPUs

This was at the time Win 11 was released

And even back then TPM support was already very widespread, it's just that nobody ever had a reason to enable and use it.

So in most BIOS/UEFI it was always disabled by default.

[maiden widget]

yeah i think many cpus do support it but sometimes mobos dont

i just dont like 11 much with the 3 layers of different gui for some settings

but most i do on this desktop is gaming anyway

[gilded elm]

Yeah, not a fan of Windows 11 in general. It's gotten better, but doesn't give off the same "golden age" Windows vibes that 7 and 10 did.

Just feels more bloated

[maiden widget]

ill be the weirdo that even liked vista

[gilded elm]

I only use it instead of 10 because 10 is EOL soon

[maiden widget]

but i had new hardware when it launched so it worked well for me

[gilded elm]

Vista brought us some good things, notably Aero

Well, good at the time.

[maiden widget]

yeah just feels like 11 does nothing but add bloat, ai i dont want and more ads

[gilded elm]

Seeing ads in my start menu was wild

[maiden widget]

linux is so close to just be my be all end all for work and gaming

but not with nvidia atm

[gilded elm]

Yep, track record is clear with GPU on Linux. AMD is just far more Linux-friendly, but NVIDIA is killing it on features so it's often the more compelling choice.

I would love to see NVIDIA dethroned from the gaming GPU market.

Speaking as an NVIDIA card owner

[maiden widget]

yeah wouldnt hurt for sure

i just wish the board partners would make shorter cards

not swapping my case just cos all the good amd cards are huge

[gilded elm]

They're getting so big and heavy we need to buy separate sag brackets now

[maiden widget]

then you get an asus dual 4070s which is near silent and only has 2 fans

was a nobrainer sadly

[gilded elm]

At least raster performance seems to be getting better for AMD, enough for consumers to choose raw performance over performance features like DLSS and Frame Gen. AMD cards are powerful.

I'm seeing people more likely than before to choose AMD now since NVIDIA released 50x/60x RTX cards.

The fact that NVIDIA has cards in the 50x lineup with only 8GB of VRAM was a huge insult to consumers lol

[maiden widget]

i'm not sure if 8gb vram is actually an issue in that class of cards

but we'll see

[sand wigeon]

It is

The 50x lineup don't have good performance

They imitate performance through frame generation

[maiden widget]

well they barely beat the 4000s series so yeah agreed

but thats not really only due to vram

[sand wigeon]

No, as in, without frame generation the 50 series is bad bad

[gilded elm]

I assume DLSS would reduce VRAM requirements since textures would only need to be stored in the lower resolution. So if you use DLSS, the 8GB is probably fine.

[fierce moth]

The speed of hallow changed her profile 10x faster than mine xd

[gilded elm]

But in an ideal scenario, you don't want to use DLSS or FG.

[sand wigeon]

I think that the more and more we justify poor quality with DLSS and frame-AI tools, the more and more the quality will decline

[gilded elm]

Yeah, DLSS and FG should be tools to squeeze out performance in an underperforming scenario, they shouldn't be used to set the bar.

[sand wigeon]

Aye

[gilded elm]

AMD struggling to compete with DLSS and FG has been a good thing IMO, because their cards end up focusing on pushing the raw performance.

And now more consumers are recognizing that and choosing AMD instead of upsampling and "fake frames"

[fierce moth]

Thanks Jesus, download can sustain now

[maiden widget]

wasnt amd mostly providing more raw power and hw anyway in recent gens but had other shortfalls?

[gilded elm]

Ray tracing, upsampling (FSR vs DLSS) and lack of frame gen basically is where AMD falls short

But in raw performance, AMD is leading when you compare NVIDIA 50x vs AMD 90x lineups.

[maiden widget]

yeah i just wish i had better exp with amd gpus

[karmic nimbus]

fsr4 beats dlss at some cases and is pretty good now id say

[maiden widget]

every time i tried one i had huge issues

[karmic nimbus]

never had any problems with amd

[gilded elm]

Yeah I heard that too, sounds like it's come a long way. And for a lot of games it's supposed to be easy to convert DLSS into FSR4 support.

[maiden widget]

i always had driver/instability issues

[karmic nimbus]

those are fixed

nvidia has more problems now

[gilded elm]

I wasn't a big fan of Adrenalin when I last used AMD, but it's been a while

[maiden widget]

super early days when coh1 came out it crashed a lot, vega56 was a nightmare too with power spikes and drivers

[gilded elm]

And yeah NVIDIA drivers have been getting worse too

[maiden widget]

i know rationally that its fixed, yet i have only had issues with nvidia now

0 with my other gpus

[karmic nimbus]

adrenalin was good, i had amd rig 2 years ago

well i still have it but i use laptop

[gilded elm]

I use NVIDIA, but I'm rooting for AMD. I really want them to shake the market up because NVIDIA has been getting extremely complacent.

[maiden widget]

same - but i'll still buy by best value in total for me

[tawny sand]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/ updated apparently

[gilded elm]

Yep, absolutely. I'm not trying to boycott to my own disadvantage haha. If a product is superior to an alternative, I'll buy the superior one.

They're quick on the datamining haha

Looks like poe2db was updated too, maybe https://poe2db.tw/

[tawny sand]

it seems some things are missing, i wanted to look at the pathfinder nodes but on ninja some are blank and on poe2db it seems they're the old ones, like pconc is still pconc and not acidic concoction

oh also, from neversink in the poe discord -

I need to make an @all announcement.
It seems that the 2 basetypes "Diviner Cuffs" and "Coral Circlet" are crashing any filter and were removed and NOT announced by GGG.

These were part of my filter (and filterblade) and most likely everyone else's filter as well, since they are used on Crown of Eyes / Shackles uniques.
We published a fix

• Everyone who uses my filter needs to redownload from filterblade/github. The correct version is 0.8a
• Any filter maker needs to purge the 2 bases from their filter

if you're subscribed on the poe website it should auto update

anyway imma get some chores done while it still downloads, have fun nerds

[fierce moth]

Enjoy the journey in poe 2, everyone!

I still waiting the download be done

Sigh. A industry which can earn up to 7 billion in China, it's the corporal punishment agencies.... Parents are lazy to educate their kids so they sent their kids to these agencies to accept insane punishments so their kids will obey them anytime.

So much poor souls need to be healed and saved in this world

[gilded elm]

Yes, I'm that guy

[fierce moth]

lol I can see how struggled Aaron is now

See that finally. Bed time!

[desert jasper]

Really going for the unarmed thing

Alright, time to have breakfast and play

[desert jasper]

What a good start for warrior
2 wolves in 2nd area? instantly dead

I'm starting to regret playing this shit already tbh

[gilded elm]

I've been playing it super safe, trying to practice not dying lol. Just finished act 1 without deaths, but came close a few times

[twilit mountain]

Be smart like me and not install it

[mental talon]

Crossbow leveling has been stupid 🙂

[gilded elm]

I bet, but I still hate reloading lol

[desert jasper]

I did try to play it safe
but apparently getting 2 wolves is just too much for warrior start

[gilded elm]

Melee is rough man

I'd probably have died a few times if I started melee too

[desert jasper]

But I guess GGG thinks it's 100% fine

[gilded elm]

I bet maces still feel like ass too

[desert jasper]

You'd be correct

And slams feel just as terrible with the total attack time

[gilded elm]

I played caster warrior in 0.1 for a bit, that was actually fun lol

Titan had useful nodes for playing off meta warrior, but an actual mace warrior looked so bad

[desert jasper]

and good luck trying to do an abyss

the projectile firing bats instantly kill me

[gilded elm]

Maybe a spear or quarterstaff warrior would fare better early game, sucks there aren't many interesting melee options yet

[desert jasper]

yeah I think i'll just... not play this

[twilit mountain]

Healing.

[desert jasper]

Like I remember the start was rough in 0.1, as a warrior
but this is way worse

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 is staying off my drive until they make defenses actually do something and I have not seen hide nor hair of that

[narrow token]

The deflect and armor changes weren't enough? 😮

[desert jasper]

I asked my friend about it
the guy hated poe1
apparently he hasn't had any issues and is having a blast... "never had more fun"
and is just asking if my armor isn't enough
sarcastically said that yeah because I have armor in all the slots by 2nd area.

[sand wigeon]

The fact that a mobile game is better than PoE2 is impressive.

And I don’t think I need to specify any game because your brain likely just autofilled a mobile game you consider better.

[twilit mountain]

Gods no. Deflect is just their shitty compensating for making one of the worst blocking systems to ever grace my screen and the armor changes are paltry since they still pale in comparison to PoE1's which had a serviceable if not very good system, or just in comparison to LE or Torchlight armor.

[sand wigeon]

Here’s some games I would consider better that are primarily mobile games (in no real order):
Arknights
Umamusume: Pretty Derby
Limbus Company
Magic the Gathering: Arena
Elder Scrolls Legends (now offline)
Destiny Rising
Pokemon Go
Pokemon Pocket
Backpack Brawl

And to clarify, PoE2 is bad. And this is magnified because it becomes worse when played as a series.

[twilit mountain]

It also doesn't address the fact that PoE2 evasion is utterly dogshit in endgame because 60% or more of the attacks in the game completely bypass evasion without Acrobatics and every single boss attack does so at base. This is not a good balance. This is objectively awful. I don't care if "evasion is OP because you take 0 damage" if I have to penalize my gearing to make it do that in the first place.

[sand wigeon]

The biggest possible failing a sequel can do is be worse than the previous game.

I’m going to use Dishonored 1 and Dishonored 2 as an example. They are both fantastic games, with amazing art direction inspired by the works of the impressionists and occult authors such as Aleister Crowley, but Dishonored 1 is flawed. Its voice acting can be stiff, the main character is somewhat of an unknown and there’d quite a few possibly game breaking bugs.

Then we get Dishonored 1’s DLC, which is the best content the game has to offer. It’s a clear evolution, and when it released, people didn’t think the format could get better.

But when Dishonored 2 released, not only did it massively improve on the formula and execution in every way, it evolved the narrative, story, art, characterization and voice acting.

It is a clear and direct upgrade from Dishonored 1 in everything but preference. And that’s what makes it an amazing sequel.

[twilit mountain]

DH1 also has the most easily exploited combat of the series I would say. And not in an interesting skill expression way, but a "literally just click jump and attack at the right timing and you can't be countered" way.

[sand wigeon]

PoE2 does not do nearly any of this. Its voice acting is better, but it also flip flops to worse. Its art isn’t really improved, only its fidelity. The biggest improvement PoE2 has is its gamefeel, how it feels to move and attack, but the actual attacks aren’t in depth enough for this to have major impact.

[sand wigeon]

At least in DH2 parrying was an intended mechanic that had synergy and combo with other things, yes.

DH2 is literally an evolution from DH1 in every single way.

It’s a masterclass in how to do a sequel.

(And to those who want to bring up Death of the Outsider, yes, Death of the Outsider is a worse game and does not do much of this. But it is not a sequential in the series, it’s only a sequel in the story. Much like the extended writing, such as the books and graphic novels, it was intended to fill gaps and flesh out the world. It’s much more of a DLC, and to those who take issue with its price — I can’t say anything there. I thought it was worth the money just for the lore alone.)

[desert jasper]

I've only played dishonored base game

[sand wigeon]

Mm. Still one of my favorite games.

Dishonored, Cultist Simulator and Roadwarden are some of my biggest inspirations in writing.

[sand wigeon]

Even if you have no interest, I would at least play the Dishonored 1 DLC.

Especially as a clean hands run. The characterization for Daud is amazing.

(The canon ending for every Dishonored game is the low chaos ending)

[twilit mountain]

I'm too dogshit to get low chaos

[sand wigeon]

This is actually the biggest flaw with Dishonored IMO

Clean hands / ghost are not really tests of skill

They’re tests if knowledge, and if you don’t have that knowledge, they’re tests of patience and time

And this is a big issue because it actively discourages players from playing how they want to play

The normal reaction a player will have when being caught while trying to be stealthy is to reload a save, not go with the flow

[twilit mountain]

My normal reaction is to shoot them in the face xdd

[sand wigeon]

This is an issue with all stealth games though

[twilit mountain]

Yes, it's one of my biggest issues with Deus Ex.

You give me multiple guns, some rather large, and then you massively discourage using them by making them do basically nothing for damage and effectively forcing a stealth route while literally having the start of the game give you the option, explicitly, to play lethal or non-lethal where you choose to either kill them with the guns or just knock them out. Except, like mentioned before, the guns barely do anything. So... not really an option now is it?

[sand wigeon]

Mm.

[tawny sand]

thief 1 and 2 are fun

[keen wind]

Okay, about this in particular, the games here weren't split to be played as a series, they were split so they could diverge in a design philosophy, that's kind of like trying to play OSRS and RS3 as a series

No comment on the rest, that part just stood out to me

[sand wigeon]

So make a different game.

[twilit mountain]

^

[gilded elm]

I agree this game shouldn't have been called "Path of Exile" 2, for sure. I even like the game for the most part.

[sand wigeon]

Not to mention PoE2 was handled terribly in general, even if you don’t mind that.

[gilded elm]

When you make a "sequel" you are setting expectations on design philosophy especially.

[twilit mountain]

RS3 and OSRS aren't comparable because RS3 was OSRS a long time ago. That's... kinda the point of OSRS.

[sand wigeon]

Just with paid access for a thing with poor communication, it originally supposed to be an update for PoE1 that got too large and now PoE1 doesn’t get that update, stuff like that.

[twilit mountain]

That's like saying WoW Classic and retail WoW are a series. They're not. One is just a "flashback" game to an older point

[gilded elm]

I get why it ended up this way, because PoE2 was originally supposed to be an extension of PoE1 until it grew too large in scope and became its own thing. But keeping the name was a mistake IMO.

[sand wigeon]

It’s also kinda like justifying a world where Halo: ODST was just called Halo 4.

[keen wind]

Sure I can agree that they could've done with a different name but any point built on that I can't take more seriously than a naming issue

[sand wigeon]

Call it “Path of Exile: The Beast” or something. I don’t know.

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 lore makes me want to throw my bookshelf at their writers so they can learn how to write anything. And I suck at writing.

[sand wigeon]

Sounds like a you problem.

I gave very good examples why setting the expectation of a sequel is not good.

[keen wind]

I read all of that yes

[gilded elm]

I don't think the game is bad, but I do think it sets up the wrong expectations and when people criticize PoE2 based on their expectations of what it should be, I think those criticisms are not entirely unfair.

[sand wigeon]

That expectation precedents an evolution of the previous games formula in new and interesting ways, not a side-grade. That’s integral to the game design philosophy of sequels.

And precedent and expectation matter. A lot.

[tawny sand]

resident evil 4 tho?

[sand wigeon]

What about it?

[twilit mountain]

RE4 is a very, very flawed game

[tawny sand]

it's very different from resident evil 1 2 and 3

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, it’s a bad sequel.

[tawny sand]

oh ok lol

[sand wigeon]

I like RE4. But it’s a bad sequel.

I was thinking of a different game

Nvm

I do not like that resident evil game

That one is just bad

[gilded elm]

Titan Quest 2 is a good example of a proper sequel IMO. They stayed largely faithful to the first game's sytems and evolved them in ways that didn't completely change the subgenre of the title.

[sand wigeon]

The remake does quite a few things better

Resident Evil 4 Original is super clunky and poorly made

It has good ideas but it couldn’t execute them

The remake brings it back up to par and makes it a good sequel

[gilded elm]

When I played TQ2, my experience aligned with my expectations.

[sand wigeon]

It actively evolves on the series in fun ways with the puzzles, IMO it’s a good follow up from Resident Evil 2 especially

[keen wind]

Okay but if you're told what they're going for and ignore that in favor of reconstructing what they're going for from name alone and base criticism on that, that feels very much bad faith

[twilit mountain]

And then there's RE5.... whooooooo man, that game is uh... it's certainly a game of all time

[sand wigeon]

Except we were told that it would be a sequel to PoE lol

[keen wind]

At least, I'm relatively confident that they were open about the design philosophy split

[sand wigeon]

That’s why I mentioned the poor communication

[twilit mountain]

We... weren't told what they were going for though

I was locked in on PoE2 news for years

[sand wigeon]

I’m of the belief PoE2 was a practical scam

[twilit mountain]

They did not communicate

[sand wigeon]

Frankly

[gilded elm]

PoE2 very much was not the game I expected it to be, but I still ended up appreciating it for what it was. It's like being "falsely advertised" a product, but liking it any way (describing my situation).

[twilit mountain]

The design philosophy split was not mentioned at all

Not even up to the literal week before it dropped

[sand wigeon]

It gave false expectations and charged their fanbase money to access it, only for it to be different than previous expectations

And I didn’t even pay for it lol

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, and that’s understandable.

I don’t like PoE2 but it is fine to like it.

I’m actually really happy you enjoy the game. I wish I could.

[keen wind]

Okay good I see the misunderstanding then, not sure how I knew about it in advance then, prop just overzealously picked up patterns or something

My apologies in the case

[sand wigeon]

Or you actually saw less

[gilded elm]

Yeah I just happened to be on the other side of the fence. I still think I was essentially sold a lie of a sequel. GGG is just still in my good graces because it turned out to be to my liking for the most part.

[sand wigeon]

Because I watched all the prerelease stuff

It’s entirely possible your more accurate view was better informed without the prerelease stuff

Just because of how bad the communication was

[sand wigeon]

To clarify, I put this failure on the lead designers and writers, not the studio as a whole

[tawny sand]

i guess there's some benefit to me not being a huge poe1 person as i didn't have expections for poe2 other than things Jonathan would say like "we want you to craft" more or less and then the crafting being what it was in .1

[twilit mountain]

Like, I'm still legitimately mad about PoE2. Because I paid for it. I contributed money with the express purpose of supporting development of it. And I distinctly did not get what I was initially promised when it was just PoE1 4.0 nor even what I was promised as a sequel.

[sand wigeon]

Still better than Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 original release

[gilded elm]

PoE2 would've been less popular if it didn't carry the name, especially if GGG made a better effort to clearly advertise it as being designed in a completely different way catering to a different kind of audience. But I suspect it would've faired better from criticism because people in general would've had a better idea what they were buying.

[keen wind]

I've been following it closely but getting the right conclusion the wrong way is always a possibility, either case would be an example of insufficient communication, that much is clear yeah

[sand wigeon]

(I’m saying this to anger someone)

[twilit mountain]

Truuuue
(I do not like that game. I am a heretic. I very much prefer the futuristic sci-fi schizo CoDs to the "boots on the ground" ones.)

[sand wigeon]

CoD sucks but it’s a cool dopamine factory

[gilded elm]

And now we're in this weird situation where GGG is slowly, but surely "bridging the gap" between PoE1 and PoE2, because of those strong expectations that people still have about what the game should be. I wonder how many "visionary decisions" Jonathan has had to compromise on because of overwhelming feedback.

[sand wigeon]

Probably a lot. I don’t like Johnathan.

[keen wind]

Jonathan "refill flasks at a well" Rogers

[gilded elm]

I like Jonathan, but yeah he has probably had to make some sacrifices on design decisions because of player backlash. And it's tough because like Jonathan said, he wants to make a game that he would want to play.

[twilit mountain]

I do not like Jonathan as a lead. I miss Chris. Yes Chris sometimes had bad takes or pushed bad ideas. But he also knew what would push too far and instead of trying to change the main game he made a silly side project mode for his enjoyment.

[tawny sand]

seems like the skill gem limit was already one of them, he mentioned there was a lot of pushback internally about removing the limit in an interview

[sand wigeon]

It’s like… If I write a book in a setting, that book brings forth expectations of the setting in the future. What happened in the book is integral to anything else in the setting, just by virtue of coming after, even if they are not directly connected. It is well known that it’s bad writing to create something almost entirely unrelated aside from the setting name, and then only later try to integrate it directly into the previous work. Nobody would enjoy reading that.

And I say this as someone writing a book who will, at some point, write a story that seems almost entirely disconnected but still have that setting name on it.

[gilded elm]

I just feel sorry for Jonathan in general because I imagine PoE2 is slowly moving away from his design philosophies and becoming something "less" than what he wanted to make. That said, I feel GGG also brought that on themselves when they decided to call the game a sequel to PoE1.

[sand wigeon]

It’s a matter of follow through and planning. PoE2 is not well planned, is my point.

[twilit mountain]

At one point in PoE2 development the only way to remove poison was going to be a flask... with the flask system where you barely got charges from killing and relied on wells... in the game where we have like 30 mob types with 100% poison chance...

[keen wind]

I'll definitely be following what Chris is up to, his design philosophy does kinda align with mine more than the average PoE 1 player (as much as I'm glad LE's MG taught GGG that QoL friction for trading ain't it)

[twilit mountain]

My honest to gods, "I'll stick to this even with a gun to my head" take is that if you as a studio have a high population game with a many years track record and expectations, you cannot "make a game you want to play" anymore. You signed that away when you garnered your millions of players who fund you. You are going to cater to what they want to play or you are going to fail now, because if you make something the players don't want to play but you do then the only player you have is yourself, and you're not the one making you money and keeping the game alive.

[gilded elm]

Absolutely, as a consumer I agree 100%. But as a creative, I feel his dilemma.

[sand wigeon]

There is a genuineness in making something you want to play. And people like that. But you can’t get that genuineness when you’re a massive studio.

[gilded elm]

This inner conflict he has is part of the reason I like him. He's clearly very passionate about game design.

[twilit mountain]

Indie studio of like 10-20 whatever, yeah absolutely. Pop off, that's cool. But when you're 700+ fulltime employees deep? That's just not viable anymore.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, should've started an indie side company or something to build your dream game lol

Ah, I like Jonathan, but getting him to compromise on very unpopular decisions has been like trying to squeeze blood out of a rock

I assume anything that isn't either pure ES or ES+Evasion is worthless this league too lol

[maiden widget]

He can do that he just has to live with people of the first game not liking it much if it's that different.

imo he should've taken more time to look at Poe 1 and how they solved the issues they repeated with poe2 in .1 and .2.

But I'm glad others chimed in and moved the direction a bit with .3

[gilded elm]

New area?

In act 2

Ah okay, I see what this is lol

[fierce moth]

holy... 14:00...

Just get up

[blissful token]

same

[vagrant topaz]

7.56am🎃

[blissful token]

vlad playing 0.3?

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1n3ey5a/this_upgrade_option_is_not_available_for_stash/

It have a update

Quick check the progress of these poe streamers, they're in extra acts and even endgame

Fubgun's progress is the fastest

I have no idea do I have extra tabs...

I guess I can't reach act 4 today. I'm bad at speedrunning and I need to think how to manage passive tree and support gems and avoid deaths

2 days is the min

[blissful token]

everyone talking about deadeye and monk huh

imma suffer and play the new warrior skill

sprinting is nice

[fierce moth]

I just find my filter don't work through I download that again...

hah how to hide items...

I just even can't hide spears and quartstaff

hah fine... my filter can't work through I added hide rules

I'm confused how people download the filter... I don't understand why codes aren't be copied to clipboard after I clicked copy. How people make the filter from the official web work?

[gilded elm]

"Follow" button

Then it automatically downloads in your game

[maiden widget]

copy probably makes a copy on your profile of the current filter

they dont have copy and paste like LE does

[fierce moth]

Oh... Thanks. But then the filter highlight spears even... I want to hide that

[maiden widget]

then you need to edit the filter on filterblade and not follow neversinks filter

[gilded elm]

Yep, customizing is a little more complicated

[fierce moth]

downloaded 4 filters from the web, none of them hide spears and quartstaff

[gilded elm]

I usually don't hide anything in the campaign

Maybe not until like Act 3+

[mental talon]

Finish Act 4 tomorrow time for Bedge

Be back in like 4 hours

[maiden widget]

prolly have to https://www.filterblade.xyz/?game=Poe2

[mental talon]

I think some of the bosses were probably cool but I also just Flash Grenade Stun->Explosive Grenade + Cluster Grenade one banged them all so idk the mechanics at this point

[gilded elm]

First time playing a poison build in PoE2, fun so far. No guide or PoB, just winging it lol

[fierce moth]

That's quite confusing why I can't hide this damn spear

What's wrong...

[maiden widget]

did you download the filter or add it to your account?

[fierce moth]

I save & sync on filterblade web, then save & download

[maiden widget]

hm should be right maybe its the wrong rule though

dont really have experience with filtering out complete classes so i only thought this should be it

[tawny sand]

oh nice i'm doing a poison build too, just vibing so far

are you going to try out the acidic concoction pathfinder?

[blissful token]

i died to the abyssal once

but so far so good

[tawny sand]

oh yeah i died to an abyssal rare

only death so far tho

[blissful token]

for some reason the witch is not as difficult compared to 0.1?

the witch hut

[gilded elm]

I don't think so lol, figured I'd go deadeye and switch to something else if poison doesn't work well with the ascendency

[sudden anchor]

There are grenades in poe2?

[fierce moth]

I just met abyssal after you mentioned that 😅

[blissful token]

brutal

tripping while you sprint is pretty funny but punishing lol

[gilded elm]

Might be just a little overleveled

Playing it safe so far

[fierce moth]

Why I don't see sprint icon, odd. I can dodge only.

[gilded elm]

Don't know about controller, but on keyboard the dodge and sprint are both spacebar

[blissful token]

you can sprint straight away?

i have to hold dodge to sprint, it sprint after the roll

[gilded elm]

Don't think so, think you have to dodge to sprint

[blissful token]

okie

[gilded elm]

Seems like a deliberate design decision

[tawny sand]

there is a toggle to where you don't have to hold the dodge button to sprint, but yeah sprint is tied to dodge

it's under the interface tab

[fierce moth]

hah... First time to clear a abyssel

[blissful token]

hopefully i dont suffer fighting draven like in 0.1

yea something definitely changed

i can do it first try

[fierce moth]

Done, free to focus on playing the game

[abstract karma]

oppened twitch like +3 hours ago and have just 50% of 3 hours like wtf

[blissful token]

how do i put on the clam chest cosmetic?

[fierce moth]

The 1st unique item I got in 0.3.0, it appeared when I'm lv 7

I find my defense is better a lot when I equipping a shield (2 rare shields I got xd)

@placid yarrow Spam was here

xd

[desert jasper]

You mean
Spam was here

[gilded elm]

That was close

[fierce moth]

Odd, where will tomb and cetemetry will be

🤔 the mini boss from abyssel is impressive on ||green-yellow flame wall||

[fierce moth]

Good job!

[narrow token]

Defenses could still use something. Still feels like I'm made of paper.

[fierce moth]

Just get an rare shield (3th one), an rare energy shield helmet and an magic energy shield boots from the male ghost boss in tomb. Available loots improve a lot 👍

No way to be quite rich on loots from enemies in 0.1 and 0.2

[blissful token]

weeeeeee grenor time

[fierce moth]

Who's Grenor?

[blissful token]

Act 1 Final Boss

[fierce moth]

Oh sorry I can recognize "mad wolf" only

[nocturne wigeon]

wtf is this

[desert jasper]

She learned magic
her head never existed

[gilded elm]

Almost first death, ran out of life flask charges

[fierce moth]

She learned a bit invisible magic but her magic lessons aren't completele obviously

[desert jasper]

But yeah for more serious answer
I'd verify the game files on steam

[blissful token]

the campaign so far feels alot better

[fierce moth]

wow super epic. I must die

😮 Impressive stash UI update.

Double abyssal bosses. Wow quite tough.

[ebon meadow]

U playing ED C Kirra ? I don't recognise skill icons yet

[gilded elm]

Death #1, of course it's Silverfist hahaha

[tawny sand]

dang you guys are fast, i'm still in act 2. Did get a little sleepy time tho

[junior oyster]

Thought that was le for a sec

I still haven't started poe2 yet

[ebon meadow]

Add more void colours and few poisons and you not far from true

Game does have a similar look and a bit of playstile

[mental talon]

Yeah crossbow stuff, have tested it all weak and they were strong as hell pre patch and some got buffed so everything kinda worked out

[fierce moth]

How to check out how many death I have?

Forget the command...

[twilit mountain]

/deaths

[fierce moth]

ohhhhh I died 12 times and I just reach the manor xd

[fierce moth]

chaos damage

[junior oyster]

I think I'm gunna play deadeye

[blissful token]

So many deadeye

Some go deadeye and use quarterstaff

[tawny sand]

i might go pathfinder just to be #younique

but nah i'll prob go deadeye

[fierce moth]

Alright I'm paper girl. The rush from wolf + group attack from little wolfs + ice explosion... I can't defend all of them.

[blissful token]

or you can suffer like me and play warrior :P

[fierce moth]

My damage is quite poor, fine

[blissful token]

almost there

wait whats this?

[fierce moth]

👋 I think I need a nap

I ran out charges of life potion this time. 100% game over

I'm surprised the mad wolf's difficulty is quite solid yet... Crystalized rift beast isn't its alt at all

[junior oyster]

Don't you mainly need like decent amount of cold res for this fight and ofc some damage?

[blissful token]

omg! 1st try iktab and ektab

[junior oyster]

Who?

[blissful token]

it was a freaking nightmare in 0.1

the mage and dino bone boss

[junior oyster]

Ah I never had an issue with that boss xD

SrS kinda ate them alive

[blissful token]

try warrior and have accuracy issue

and dino pushing u around, missing 80% of your attack

[junior oyster]

Yea melee in poe is like melee in terraria

You either have real melee and it sucks or fake melee and its op

[blissful token]

the funny thing is that u aim the dino rib bones and it feels like you are hitting air

[jolly wadi]

Still no option to turn off the highly distracting mouse courser reflections on the HUD.

[tawny sand]

league mechanic

[blissful token]

i read abit about it, i think its better used in endgame

[tawny sand]

maybe, i used mine. It adds an extra affix (or replaces one i think)

and i didn't have any orbs so i just used it

er, it replaces one if it has the max amount of affixes

[blissful token]

u pick one of the 3 affixes presented yea?

oof kinda sad they actually nerfed perfect strike

like one of the redeeming part of warrior

30% less dmg, 12% less atk spd? ☠️

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[tawny sand]

yeah, sorry didn't see your message. It "reveals" 3 affixes you can choose from

more specifically, you use the it on an item and it gives you like hidden text. then you take it to the well of souls and reveal what the hidden text is

also i dig the new toxic growth, so nice to not do the stupid flip

tho it does take a while to proc the spores

[junior oyster]

I miss the huge inventory and autosort

Good to know my poe1 cosmetics are still not useable

[twilit mountain]

Please pay us more money to use the cosmetics in the game you've already paid for on top of paying us more for stash tabs that don't exist in the other game while we promised you that the ones you already bought would all be usable (and they are in fact not)

[junior oyster]

Ngl it feels like Bliz at this point

I find the combat so freaking boring

[twilit mountain]

Hey even Blizzard's battlepass gives you a discount on the next one

[junior oyster]

I get the no zoom but I do so little damage early on

I don't think it would hurt them nor their top streamers/players if we could have a little dps boost

Like I understand the souls like gameplay they went with but those kinda games are niche and not everyone wants to constantly be hitting space bar 😂

[sand wigeon]

Diablo 4 is not souls-like lol

[junior oyster]

I'm on about poe2

[fierce moth]

I think it's not low in act 1's ending? Cold resistance

[fierce moth]

Alright I tested 3 more times (all failed by the same reason), my speed to clear minions are too slow so I'm hard to avoid damage from both of mad wolf's rush and its group attack

These mini wolfs will around me so I can't move then the rush kill me

🎉 YES!!!!! I kill the mad wolf! Figured out a rule is the wolf must rush after I cast a spell 5 times so I must dodge.

[fierce moth]

I still become the feast of this mob through I struggled 10 mins lol

[junior oyster]

First boss in a2?

[fierce moth]

An rare mob from Abyssal. 2 of them attack me together

[twilit mountain]

Everything I'm seeing makes the game still look miserable

[junior oyster]

You playing it?

[junior oyster]

So comments xD

[twilit mountain]

Comments, clips, friends' experiences

[junior oyster]

Yea I might play poe2 later but I kinda came to the conclusion I wanna play le some more

1 week isn't enough imo

[fierce moth]

Do you remember which boss give us 30 spirit?

I just remember the dog witch in act 3 will give me 30 spirit. Lose memory about act 2

[tawny sand]

there's one in act 1 and one in act 3

freythron is where you go for act 1

idk about after act 3 since we have the new acts now

[fierce moth]

Oh... Yes. Thanks.

I missed that and I wonder how to get 30 spirit to use spirit gem

[junior oyster]

I'm useless here as I barely remember anything xD

[abstract karma]

when you drop first spirit gem you get also spirit item..
I drops from boss/quest i thik that first +30 you get is that bonus from boss

i killed it today but can't remember name 😄

[fierce moth]

No worries, I'm here to be the slowest one always xd

[abstract karma]

forgot how to play properly 1st act 13 deaths >.>

[fierce moth]

That's amazing because my deaths 100% more than you xd

[abstract karma]

funny is that only last boss killed me 3 times because i blind to ice..
and most annoying where death knights and their stupid projectiles..
Abyss was like 2-3 times

rest of bosses killed me in total just once

[tawny sand]

i've died 5 times so far, but i think act 3 is gonna give me a lot of trouble

[junior oyster]

Didn't even realise it but I rolled quite nicely on this weapon

Was farming it for ages too

Same one 3 in a row

[fierce moth]

I'm on the opposite with Fane this time. I'm enjoying my time as a chaos wizard in poe 2, the similar role in le I suppose is warlock so it's an interesting contrast.

Discover a bug of discord is it's not start and end automatically

@wild oxide Maybe GGG need to contract with discord. The discord quest never can start (I chose desktop but don't work, I use standalone) + poe 2's activity never work (it's not start and end automatically)

[wild oxide]

ma'am this is the last epoch discord 😅

[abstract karma]

#📚┃off-topic tho

[fierce moth]

It's off topic so it's fine :)

[wild oxide]

still feels a bit strange to do PoE things in it. I'll contact the relevant people though

[fierce moth]

Welcome GGG members to join in chats here :)

[abstract karma]

i play anything which is interesting, burn out as ususal and then hate myself to not reach endgames properly 😄

[fierce moth]

poe server is too busy and noisy. It don't allow us to ping GGG members. I can't post pictures in these poe 2 specific channels. So...

[abstract karma]

if you wanna laught you can just look to forums about PoE 2 😄

[fierce moth]

reddit or web forum?

[abstract karma]

both

[blissful token]

ahh the dreadnought

such a nice place for warrior

[fierce moth]

Don't find anything fun in reddit unfortunately

Controller player: "I even no idea how sprint work because it's not exist"

[abstract karma]

sprint is just weird feature

[junior oyster]

First time it dropped for me

[sand wigeon]

PoE2 is not a souls-like

[junior oyster]

Jonathans words not mine

[sand wigeon]

Johnathan is dumb

Sorry that was rude

Johnathan is stupid

There we go

[junior oyster]

Yea I don't agree with him hence the way I worded what I said

[sand wigeon]

Genre’s are just bad in general

[junior oyster]

It's a souls-like to him. I don't see it that way at all.

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, souls-like as a whole is pretty unspecific because what makes something similar to a Souls game

Is it difficulty? Then Celeste is a souls-like, and that’s not right. Is it gothic medieval? Well, no, just look at Elden Ring and Dark Souls 2. Is it rolling? Obviously not, though that’s the joke.

Lies of P is definitely a souls-like but nobody can really explain why

Is it third-person over the shoulder melee combat? That’s too general.

[tawny sand]

the passive tree still doesn't feel that great tbh

[jade jackal]

yay

[jade jackal]

i did not intend to play this hard

[narrow token]

O_O

[gilded elm]

I don't know what you mean, I just tried with controller and it works 100% exactly the same way with keyboard.

You just hold dodge button.

I don't play on controller, but I just tested because you keep saying it doesn't work but that's not true it works the same as keyboard lol

The patch notes also clearly says how to sprint.

[gilded elm]

Unique strongbox... monster revives 4 times with +1 new affix on each revive? Was that really necessary lol

[junior stirrup]

I love people discovering the fun way how that strongbox works.

[gilded elm]

It was quite scary

[junior stirrup]

Oh man, you got a shieldbro? Ho ho ho.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, think I should've just stayed closer to him?

[junior stirrup]

I still have some painful memories from playing Spark and Ranger.

[gilded elm]

The little shield procs are scary

[junior stirrup]

Not really sure what the counterplays are except moving tangentially, probably can't get behind them without distractions.

[gilded elm]

Once you get used to sprinting, it completely changes the game IMO

This was a good addition

[gilded elm]

Whatever it is that knocks you down while sprinting... I think it's getting hit by an attack? It's hilarious lmao

[fierce moth]

I have thought is my damage too poor so my speed to consume health of rare mods is quite slow until I saw Ruetoo's complaint + Byte's experience

[fierce moth]

Alright I never use sprint then, yes...

[fierce moth]

You're quite fast too, Which ascendancy are you playing?

[narrow token]

Not fast at all. I picked Stormweaver. Using fire skills though.

[fierce moth]

It's fine. I'm here to become the base of progress from anyone here because my game experience is the most poor one :)

Have to go to a family lunch now... I test how to sprint later.

The abyssal is a cool mechanic to get more character experience + more loots, this encounter is smoother than champions in le's campaign a lot. Champions in le = one-shot mechanic.

GGG do a good job on a new encounter. I'm not sure how to go into the abyss so far though.

[gilded elm]

Makes me laugh every time

Dangerous, but also funny

[narrow token]

+levels to skills is way too strong to be as rare as it is.

I'm halfway through Act 3 with the same weapon I got at the end of Act 1

[gilded elm]

I think it should be more common than it is, too

Though, my gap between upgrades wasn't quite as wide as yours.

Abyssals have been very generous to me with crafting materials, so getting upgrades hasn't been nearly as painful whenever I find a good base magic item to regal+exalt.

See a lot of stuff like this from the vendor, and usually I would augment, then if it turns out good I'll go for the regal+exalts and right there I'd have an easy upgrade.

[fierce moth]

It's what I want 👍

[fierce moth]

https://eleventhhourgames.bamboohr.com/careers/105

Video editor... This job is common in Chinese job market but it's for short videos usually

[gilded elm]

Maybe I like sprint more than most because I'm a mouse player, not WASD.

[fierce moth]

Byte, could you share your first reaction of act 4 final boss when you reach there?

[gilded elm]

Yeah, will probably be a while though. I'm taking my time in act 3, leveling, farming, before I fight Viper and Doryani

[fierce moth]

Yes, that block value issue in 0.1 is back. I can't roll out from a group of enemies.

[gilded elm]

I don't know if it's an issue, but might be deliberate lol

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup Check out the new op aoe skill from an rare abyssal enemy. It's so cool that I almost die here 😂

wait wrong video

[narrow token]

Who tf came up with this?

[fierce moth]

Giant green arrow vfx in 0:01 I mean, it cast that 2 times)

[junior stirrup]

The beams are awesome.

Ran into it in the first time in the A1 tombs.

[gilded elm]

They are quite cool yeah lol

Really good VFX design

[abstract karma]

you wanna hight attack speed and be zoomer ? you need pay the price of less dmg

[abstract karma]

reduce 90% of your hp in 0.1 sec but rewards is 3 blue and 1 scroll you dont need since end of act 1

[narrow token]

Yes that's what it says. I think the damage penalty is far too high. Obviously.

[gilded elm]

Hahaha, I finally died to the "sprint knockdown"

[tawny sand]

i think the idea with those aren't that rank 3s are supposed to be a linear upgrade, so rank 2s are still useful. each rank fulfilling a purpose. But yeah idk, 50% is a kind of silly

also prob a trap for new players

[gilded elm]

I'm really liking the Abyssal events so far.

[tawny sand]

it's fun yeah, i tend to die sometimes to its rares though

but mostly cause i'm not paying attention

i think most of my deaths are from abyssal lol, i know i died once to jamanra

[gilded elm]

Yeah they're often tough, can easily die if you make a bad move

[tawny sand]

how are you liking poison bow? still looked like you were running toxic growth

i am too

[gilded elm]

It's still fun. Toxic Growth has been working great so far, especially with Plague Bearer

Also helps that I recently got a good Dualstring Bow upgrade which amplifies how good Poisonburst Arrow is

[tawny sand]

i have yet to find a dualstring bow that's good unfortunately

[gilded elm]

Yeah, ideally one with +proj levels on it, then you can try your luck with aug/regal/exalt

And hope for good phys damage mostly

So far it seems like Deadeye can do poison bow pretty well. I haven't read any guides nor seen anyone else on Twitch playing it. I'm not a great build maker and if I can make it work then I feel like with some optimization it could be really good.

[hot crown]

I'm assuming TQ2 is gone from radars entirely for the time being?

[fierce moth]

Get the 1st rib but I still no idea how to get secrated items

[tawny sand]

my friend bought it for me but i haven't played it any

[tawny sand]

i actually went pathfinder cause i thought of trying acidic concoction, but poisonburst and toxic growth works so well i decided just to take the other nodes instead

[maiden widget]

i dont think tq2 has enough content to be on the radar currently

[desert jasper]

I'll have another look at it after it has more content
maybe a new class

and act

[hot crown]

Understandable. After all, it's just an early access project.

I know I won't be investing into it even despite light whiffs of nostalgia.

Superfuse taught me to be extra careful in that regard.

[desert jasper]

The content that was in there so far is promising
But it definitely needs more of it

And yeah, I definitely understand that

I don't usually buy early access things

[gilded elm]

Oh, yeah I expect Pathfinder would do better with poison bow build because of the poison-specific nodes. Deadeye so far seems decently capable too.

[fierce moth]

I become a lich since now.

[tawny sand]

welp died a bunch to viper already

i don't get how to avoid the spears lol

got it

[fierce moth]

The level of tiredness generated by Poe 2 is 2x more than le because I must focus on the screen per second to avoid dying... 🤔

It's like keeping the level of sane to deal with 8 rift beasts for 2h or longer. But the the level of immersion is 2x better than le too.

I think I'm quite fast if I can see blackjaw before go to bed

[abstract karma]

they will need to do something otherwise i cant imagine 10 acts of this 😄

[fierce moth]

lol

The SAME. That'll too........... Tired to play campaigns

[abstract karma]

I dont like these new runes.. such useless drops... In 0.1 i at least had in pack tons of runes which increase DPS now i have some runes to increase mostly atributes which are usefull only in case if you mix too much same support gem as penalty for doing so lol

[tawny sand]

i've only found 1 physical damage rune lol

[abstract karma]

pff middle of act 2 another 3 hours gone geez.. need break

[radiant helm]

I'll say

my main complaints is that the sprint have 0 playtest, either that or however tested it has to be put on a mental facility if they tought it was fun

[fierce moth]

lol, the same +1

[radiant helm]

and act 2 still as unpleasing as ever

[fierce moth]

No acts unpleasing than act 3 lol

[abstract karma]

its just long, ussually in act 2 decent builds (yes i used that word because GGC can't make normal usage of gems since 0.1) so boss arent extreme..

[radiant helm]

I have an issue with act 2 in arpgs

[abstract karma]

in general ? why 😄

[radiant helm]

its aways the same boring desert with annoying enemies

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhhhh Hersik needs a break. GGG*

[radiant helm]

seens like diablo 2 set a desert curse on arpgs

everyone of them seen to have a desert

[abstract karma]

Van helsing isnt in desert

[radiant helm]

Well, i haven't played that particular one lol

[abstract karma]

LE has II chapter in void i think

[radiant helm]

LE was an exeption

Actually no

in fact LE is not an exeption

it just moved the issue to act 7

with those annoying poison enemies

[abstract karma]

Grim Dawn has second area some mines not desert..
Titan quest has plains i think

[radiant helm]

Titan quest is a desert

[abstract karma]

Sacred gold ? tho i think its hybrid RPG / ARPG

[radiant helm]

You're going way too far back lol

[abstract karma]

Saying like Diablo 1 / 2 arent ancient

[radiant helm]

Fair

[abstract karma]

Torchlight are about underworlds, there are some deserts ? havent played yet just know theme

[radiant helm]

Even the social area is a cluttered mess

To be fair, i don't have much of an issue with act 3 other then the spear lady

Also why the hell is this game only dropping me spears

[radiant helm]

Fairly sure torchlight 2 is a desert

[abstract karma]

aka these MTX spenders which have PC of 64 GB ram 4,7 Ghz and +8GB RTX graphic to enjoy this mess in 120 fps

[radiant helm]

Yeah act 2 is a desert

[fierce moth]

lol I got lots of rare quivers and bows as a witch

[abstract karma]

i get too much spearsd and quoterstaff or clubs >.>
I wanted play spear in 0.2 / 0.3 but that thing is too depended on frenzy charges

[radiant helm]

In my defence, my gpu is amd.

Tho you were surprisingly acurrate

[abstract karma]

welp because my laptop is now +5 years old where standards of current gaming era shifted 2x higher to enjoy games in Decent quality..
Can't even have DSSL 4 because have RTX 3000 series

[radiant helm]

Well, i can't dlss 4 either cause i have amd

[abstract karma]

amd has some lvl of FSR too idk how deep they develop it

[radiant helm]

FSR4 is really good

[fierce moth]

le: ? I done the campaign? That's it?
poe 2: ? One more act? Is it not done yet?

They're in different extremes.

[abstract karma]

either way my next set will be AMD too because i want for god sake have openened CPU / GPU FOR TWEAKING and UNDERVOLT >.>

[radiant helm]

but... ofc POE2 only has fsr2

wich is... there

it exist

its all i can say about it

[radiant helm]

i'm full amd rn as well

Nvidia is better if you're willing to spend money on their high-end gpus

but their 70class and bellow gpus right now are beyond sad

[abstract karma]

mix nvidia and amd cpu just doesnt work.. It's maybe because these companies dont like each other..
Fact is that most of newest Nvidia cards just sucks..

[fierce moth]

Base on the latest contents of le and poe 2, I don't think I will stay in le if poe 2 is the first loot-based ARPG I touched because once I get used to high difficulty in poe 2, le will too easy.

But the life is reverted.

The first condition is I can accept the difficulty in poe 2's combats though.

[abstract karma]

and intel is lately too restrictive.. AS i said my current laptop is hindered not just by older HW (not just too old) but i can't even lauch CPU booster on +4,0 because of heating.. And heating could be SOLVED if they didnt locked half of +12/13 Intel series against UNDERVOLTING "UNDER" not OVER

[radiant helm]

There is no issue at all, i got a 4090 as well(Its on the repair shop for forever because nvidia can't make gpus that don't fry thenselves), its not much of an issue, but there's no way in hell to justify over 600 on a gpu with 12g of vram lol

[radiant helm]

I do think its the oposite

ARPG isn't a genre suposed to be dificulty

making OP builds is the fun of it

and POE2 is a game that get very very tiring

i can play 10 hours in a row on LE, can't do over 4 in poe2

[fierce moth]

Three of us agreed with the same opinion then

[radiant helm]

On the campaigns i agree with

[junior oyster]

I dislike the campaign and how slow and boring it is in both games but I can tolerate le

At least till I reach around level 30 or so

[radiant helm]

We should have monolyths(Not empowered) start at level 10, when you go into the end of time for the first time we should be able to start the monolyths right away

then they keep going up until 10

this way we solve 2 issues, the campaign fatique and the non-overpowered monolith complaints

boom

game much better

And just have the bosses of the monos giving the campaign reward

[fierce moth]

I don't want to do monoliths until the endgame because it will let le become a monolith-based and monolith-only game, zero fun.

[radiant helm]

i don't have much of an issue on that

Wolcen had a sytem similar to that

(And yeah yeah k now, wolcen has a billion issues)

[fierce moth]

hhhhhh I want multiple systems instead

[radiant helm]

but you could start a new character right at the end game

[radiant helm]

We can have that! we just need to get rid of the campaign

As much as act 10 got new monsters and shit, overall it was a mistake from the devs

That said, i hope we don't see a new LE season until january

[junior oyster]

How is that zero fun? You as the player get to decide whether you want to progress through campaign or do monos/arena etc

[radiant helm]

THey should cook and release a banger once again

[radiant helm]

this!

[junior oyster]

And it's a proven method too with D3

D3's downfall isn't the fact that you can ignore the campaign but rather the itemisation and skills are basically non-existent.

[radiant helm]

This

[radiant helm]

And even then, d3 was still the most played ARPG of all time

other then the skills and itemization i think it should be a template

[junior oyster]

I still prefer it over d4

[radiant helm]

oh 100%

[junior oyster]

d4 campaign is like 3x better than D3 campaign but I prefer the endgame of d3 overall

[radiant helm]

I'll say... ideal ARPG

Diablo 2 itemization
diablo 3 combat, overall structure
Diablo 4 cutscenes and grapcs and character creation
LE skills/crafting system
Grim dawn class system/passives system/some of its itemization

[junior oyster]

Another great game is slormancer

It feels like an easier and offline version of poe/grim dawn xD

[radiant helm]

see

its hell

nothing but spears

wtf is going on

[junior oyster]

At least you are dropping rares

[radiant helm]

I'm going to shove one of those spears in my back and break into ggg headquarters with it cause thats the only use i have for so many spears

[junior oyster]

Meanwhile I'm enjoying frogs

[radiant helm]

Also on that note(Not the spears in my back) playing this again makes me appreciate how generous inventory space is in LE

[junior oyster]

And stash space

That we don't have to spend irl money on

And I'm not against that either

But it feels nice to not have to spend money on stash

[radiant helm]

Well i won't go much in that or else i'll start sounding like a communist revolutionary but welp

[fierce moth]

D4 can skip the campaign, but I can remember nothing about how to crafting and how to get more loots...These're something endgame will not tell me. I find myself still need to play campaign to remeber how to play a game.
Campaign = a comprehensive tutorial for basic knowledges and basic practicing.

But poe 2 did more than that a lot... Boss combats are quite epic. The process of storytelling is quite long so we think it's overwhelming.
Le's campaign don't reach the level of difficulty that can train player's action skills consistently and test new skill nodes I activated well yet. Don't have opinions about their storytelling because it's not immersive enough to let me want to learn the story.