📚┃off-topic

[ebon meadow]

It's confusing ,and everyone stoped making demos and early acces betas

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yeah more and more games adopted some kind of loot system and talent tree from genres that didnt have it

[ebon meadow]

I was always exited to try new games it's the reason I swapped from console now for last what 4-5 years everything you want to try u need to purchase it or what ever

Just let me try the game if it feels good I l get it if doesn't for ME than don't persuade me in to it's community

I used to enjoy developing games but now it's go to Reddit go to posts and read the feel others have ,holy I want to make my own opinion

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i call them souless RPG's because its only about go from point A to B, Lore is more and more medicore same as story
That boom which game with Dark souls and again refreshing from Elder Ring cause heavily decrease of proper and complex classic immersive RPG like Gothic, Es series, Fable, Kingdom of Amalur..

If we hadnt a few studios whcih made Kingdom Come or Witcher there woudn't be really any gem..
Meanwhile every RPG which comes lately is either Soul-like based or Rouge-like

UGH

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i mean classic rpgs are kinda in again with pathfinder, roguetrader, bg3 etc

but yeah more action-y rpgs with a story focus fell back a bit

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Turn Based rpg are just how to say "sleepy"
Its good play then time to time but have it as only alternative from RPG's which are even from 90s is just not enough..

[ebon meadow]

Wolcen lore or for me lost ark lore are insane , the fact the games have the issues for many rather bugged or bad monetisation is another thing

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Make proper shift from Online pure gameplay to one Single proper run and you would have hit from games like these..
I mean Developers of Black Deserts probably understood - They made focused story Crimson Desert.. It will be more like heavy hack&slah but at least more complex story

Actually Single Player ARPGS like Diablo or Titan quest / Grim Dawn hits very differently vs Online ones like Lost Ark or Wolcen in this case

Developers of online gaming industry just forgets that having game with proper core Single Player enjoyment can bring a lot of ppl to try their products but you cannot hinder it behind microstransactions

[desert jasper]

man
Wolcen had so much potential
but then they scrapped the whole game like 4-5 times during development and ended up making it completely different from what it was planned originally
Half the skill tree not working at launch (took them forever to fix) and the stuff that actually worked was either useless or very strong
Like there was a big node that gave you 50x dmg of your shield's... blocked dmg? or was it block chance
anyway, it was basically used by everyone. 2 nodes leading up to it were 5x
they nerfed the 50x to be 0.5x, said "math hard"
still left the 2 leading to it as 5x

Spells dealt basically no dmg unless they were multi hits
then they suddenly just got all your flat dmg and hit that like 10x
instead of one time

Also originally it was supposed to be moddable
but then they decided to make it online only

[ebon meadow]

Black desert did became a goty for me just from comments from different communities of games and nationality,they made something fun and exited for people . I haven't played it my self but would like to with group

[junior oyster]

Agreed but poe hits different too. I actually kinda like the online only aspect of it.

That said I wouldn't mind if they released an offline mode so I could test out builds more easily

I'm more of a visual learner rather than having to use things like excel/pob/grimtools

[ebon meadow]

There's one to many big mistakes in game apart from bugs ,but I did somehow squized like 100 hours out of it just making stupid things to work that shouldn't

[ebon meadow]

They don't want that since it would open acces to their codes and stuff ,it would open a lot of more annoying doors that we have now to cheating

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm aware

But that's just an excuse for them to make money from micros imo

Or macros as some things are pretty expensive even on sale

[ebon meadow]

That's fine can't make the number with just popularity of the game

It is crazy how much money people has put in the game for just mtx or cards

I m decently over 1.5 k euros and I m a casual

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im playing since closed beta and spent below 300€ - no intention of spending more either

[fierce moth]

🤔 Died at 32 years old will be thought the life is gone in a very young age.

I wonder die in how many years old is normal

(Watching a video about the life of xiaolong Li)

Oh this is his English name

[ebon meadow]

i m going to jump back in guantlet xdd 6hrs + merveil lets go act 2 xdd

i had no time to play but holy they made it brutal

8 deahs i think

no wetstones for like 120 zones is crazy, i needed a new weapon

[fierce moth]

I have a passion on creating a new series to practice acrylic painting... Food photography

The biggest problem is which food should I draw.

But yes xiaolongbao is my target for next work

They're not relevant to architectures at all, but good for me on polishing my sensitivity on perspective and layout, 2 basic skills in art

Europeans and Americans like sweet food so much, pancake will be a good choice for future works

oh wait, maybe paint muffin? Sounds cool

[hardy crane]

you have me confused with cupcakes

lol ❤️

[fierce moth]

oh... Sorry, that's cupcakes... I don't read

[hardy crane]

lol its all good im just giggling 🙂

[fierce moth]

Let's begin the question again.

Do you like this self-portrait?

It's banana blueberry flavour

[junior oyster]

AI generated?

[fierce moth]

I guess it's not

[jade jackal]

why would it be AI genned

doesnt look like it

[junior oyster]

The one above

It defo does to me

[jade jackal]

what in it evoked that suspecion

bokeh falloff seems natural, so is sensor noise

[junior oyster]

No idea I'm not an expert but it just kinda feels like ai generated

[jade jackal]

I really hope that's not where general census goes towards product photographers. a bit heartbreaking

[junior oyster]

Tbf if the cupcake was presented like that to me irl I'd not touch it lol. I'm aware it's for presentation and make it look appealing. But it has the opposite effect on me.

[junior oyster]

Same with this one. Crumbs all over on the tray makes me go nope 😂

[jade jackal]

yeah as a shot its just above avg

[placid yarrow]

Idk that cupcake looks pretty normal to me I'd eat it

[lofty wren]

looks fine to me. rip to photographers because people want to assume everything is AI when it obviously isn't.

[sudden anchor]

blueberry cupcakes are the best, doublechocolate close 2nd

[fierce moth]

https://www.artcenter.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/application-requirements.html

lol enter an official website of a US university by accident so I checked out which requirements I need to be done if I want to apply this one. I heard this is an art university.

lol things in screenshots are what I lacked seriously.

[junior oyster]

I'm not one for blueberry (or any other fruit based) cakes/chocolate

[fierce moth]

I'm bad at exams so my transcripts must be refused even this university accept Chinese transcripts

I wish I have a bachelor's degree too.

Live in CA is expensive too. Envy at artists who can study here...

Will I have a chance to apply this university? Well I don't think so because I can't pass transcript part.

sigh, this world is quite big. It's a huge bonus for applying corresponding jobs.

[desert jasper]

Hmm i was sure i had a picture of muffin on my phone
but couldn't find it

Anyway, sleep time
got to go to gym early morning

[fierce moth]

le server Muffin's server
:)

oh, close to 4:00 again. Need to dry my hair at first... Day dream time hhhh...

[fierce moth]

I can find many reasons to give up something, but there are too few reasons to persist.

But that's the actual face of life... Fine. Heal myself at first, don't overthinking.

[gilded elm]

Damn, can't believe I slept for 16 hours lmao. Must've been very sleep deprived the whole week

[fierce moth]

slept 10h is my max...

Have been slept 4h a day only and don't feel tired at all

But that's not healthy. Just tried that while the symptom of depression is the most serious

[gilded elm]

Still in bed lol

[fierce moth]

Enjoy your chill day.

I need to complete the sketch + brush the basic colour today, huge worload

0% progress now

[indigo shadow]

RIP Dial Up

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1863430/view/498327545507219312
dragonkin have champions too, cool, I (dis)like this game more :)

[fierce moth]

Yarn is sleepy, I pet yarn.

[twilit mountain]

C O N S U M E

[desert jasper]

I love cats so much

[twilit mountain]

I am surrounded by them almost 100% of the time, I love them

[sand wigeon]

Lol

[twilit mountain]

That's a lot of Pikmin

[sand wigeon]

Lol

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FQSttmmxY
This video is for people who don't know what's Pikmin as same as me

[desert jasper]

Eh.. game theorist...

Kinda hate that channel

[twilit mountain]

They're entertaining at least. And sometimes they've actually been right. Not very often, but sometimes.

Or well, they were entertaining ig, quite a ways back now.

They're a bit "corporatized" now I suppose, the consequences of the increasing worsening of YouTube as a platform

Though their best content never was their main theory stuff, usually their side stuff was better; like Culture Shock or any of Austin's The Science Of videos (I think he's back to making these on his own channel once in a while, but he works in gamedev now iirc so busy busy busy)

[sand wigeon]

I think the Theorist channels are pretty good TBH

MatPat, the original person running it (obviously), has gone on record multiple times stating that it’s really just for entertainment and to encourage young impressionable folk to think creatively

And they have a good track record of treating their employees very well

Unlike someone like MrBeast

[desert jasper]

Sadly I know a lot of people who think the theories they show are actually canon

[twilit mountain]

It's so weird seeing MatPat now, he looks so much older. It's like my brain doesn't realize that I started watching his videos almost a decade ago so I get strange whiplash upon noticing how much time has passed.

[junior oyster]

I've seen maybe like 5 videos of his in total and one of them was his goodbye xD

Slowmoguys on the other hand...

I practically grew up with them

Used to also love smosh back when it was just Ian and Anthony (I hope I got their names right)

[fierce moth]

Hah I drew 7h sketches today and that's current result. Yeah it's still not be done...

Struggled with reveal circles on cups which appeared in the reference so hard is the main reason I'll say.

Sketch part is quite tough.

I just want to mix colours and brush colours...But it's impossible without sketch because I will have no chance to make mistakes

I have erased my sketch lots of times today to draw them better xd

[sudden anchor]

Idk how its for drawing. but im learning the piano and i was advised to take it slow, extremly slow sometimes if needed, instead of making a single mistake.

[fierce moth]

yes that's the common case when I'm sketching and brushing

[sudden anchor]

Now that i got my protein powder and just did 2 scoops in oats, i realised how much i craved protein. it tasted so nice, unbelievable. before i didnt even like my oats anymore.
daily reminder to stay proteined, everyone!

I was quite low for someone training. sometimes i didnt even get 50g a day

[fierce moth]

That's a new type of greeting. Thanks for the inspiration

[fierce moth]

I'm thinking of anyone have taught people to enjoy different game genres through podcasts or videos, like they can talk deeply on different key fun in different game genres, which features make them fun/boring to play

I'm curious about how these players whose can enjoy various game genres enjoy playing different games because I just too picky

Even I have played puzzle games for 2 years, I can't enjoy all types of puzzles too

[ebon meadow]

Bottom of my street looks like for last week ,August is touch grass month here

12:17 am

[fierce moth]

😵 Just realize I still need to learn more on architecture sketching if I want to do concept art well...

Hah. Manage lines systemically isn't easy at all...

Base on what I felt with current experiences.

[desert jasper]

Yeah, important to get protein if you're training

[desert jasper]

That remindeded me to check how much protein powder I've left
Also important to get enough rest when you train

[fierce moth]

Nub even earlier...

[fierce moth]

woooooo Another monday, I want to drink that again. Let's go!

next 2h will on the road

[hot crown]

That moment when [my SO considers me a giga brain for knowing English knowing her own struggles with it] and then [there's me who has absolutely no practical use for this particular skill]...

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup will GGG drop 0.3.0 trailer this week? We need more info about 0.3.0

Well I mean the question what will we deal with the long campaign mainly. That's too long for alts and if GGG add act 4, will we need to repeat act 1-4 again?

I care how the campaign going the most except waiting GGG help me to fix ssl connection error 👀

[junior stirrup]

Community team moves in mysterious ways.

[fierce moth]

I want to play more Poe 2 because Poe is overwhelming complicated and it's boring to play le all the time. Switch angles is helpful on refresh my mind

[desert jasper]

Yes
I went to bed early and woke up early
was awake for like.. 3-4 hours and decided to get more sleep

[fierce moth]

The latest trend of loot-based ARPG in Chinese game forum:

Someone write a series of build guides for le's new players

More and more build guides for Tq 2 are popped out, its forum was spotlighted on trending page too

[keen wind]

I do genuinely wish I had kept a sort of diary for strong and weak points as I played through games for the first time, so many thoughts that likely won't come up again once you get used to the weak points

Game design discussion is fun though >.>

It's kind of a shame the feedback forum here doesn't really support a discussion format

Though on the other hand I do understand that devs probably wouldn't want to be combing through that

[fierce moth]

!? You're soooooo cool. Where can I check them out?

A post includes 12000+ messages is insane

[keen wind]

It's not really a post it's just a discussion thread

[fierce moth]

🤔 I guess this is a server for game devs. That's quite important for gameplay design

[fierce moth]

Anyone feel familiar with evolution and hunt master? I think poe 2 have similar gameplay obviously.

Evolution is as similar as the reward of trial of chaos, the master hunter is as similar as expedition, right?

[desert jasper]

Nah I don't think it's similar...

[fierce moth]

general is too noisy that I can't chat with anything

🤔 emmmmm...

But make sense because we don't play that actually yet. Fine, I just put my prediction here

[desert jasper]

The only similar thing is that you choose what the monster gets.

[fierce moth]

oh wait. EHG have combined both of them as a whole system so maybe you think they're less similar

It's a chain in le but it's different systems in poe 2

The chain I mean:
Get materials from rift beast, evolute the beast to get better rewards, a few primordial items available by rift beasts only, I can exchange rune of evolution and many unique primordial items by materials I own, and I can equip one primordial item per character only.

[mental talon]

I haven't looked at it much but on the surface it reminds me of Metamorph/Archnem league probably.

[fierce moth]

no idea on poe's terms

[mental talon]

Just two previous leagues with mechanics that were surface level similar to this.

[fierce moth]

@potent dew I'll say the saw is the movies series which I must contribute myself so much before I watch because... These experiments just too horrible, scary and shocking

I must hold my breath for a long time while I watching them... The horrible vibe just permeate per cells

[desert jasper]

Saw, not raw

[fierce moth]

xddddddd my memory is bad

I guess Kain is a bit confused that why Kirra want to talk about a movie series with him suddenly xd

[desert jasper]

Probably too busy to answer to everything

[fierce moth]

I guess he's busy at monitoring general channel yes

[desert jasper]

Well that's not the only thing a community manager does

[fierce moth]

people just flood in single channel to discuss

[junior oyster]

The new system just reminds me of nemesis except you are adding the mods you want for the items you want

[fierce moth]

emmmmmm this is a new angle

[junior oyster]

I'll play for the chapter not for the season mechanic

[fierce moth]

Get a t8 exalted item will be hyped

[junior oyster]

Limited to 1 kinda sucks imo but I guess they gotta copy d3 somehow

[fierce moth]

I want to check out all of these primordial unique items then

[vagrant topaz]

Will have to wait for patch notes

[fierce moth]

hah xdddd I never know Squid game in Mr.Beast version have so much fun to watch

hah that's so many complicated feelings within

hah... Musical chairs

That's a classic game...

I remember the last time I played that is while I still studied in a primary school...

sorry, I'm nostalgic suddenly

I guess the last time I have played that is in the dancing room on 4f

hah I never come back any schools I stayed for years after I'm gradudated

[fierce moth]

......

[fierce moth]

Oh, I think I miss a thing about Poe 2 is what will GGG do to give new players who not familiar with the trade better experience?

That's the origin of my disaster about Poe 2. The whole process of Poe 2 is surrounded by the pain of "why my gears can't be sold".

No good gears, no good experience. It's the common rule of campaign and endgame. But not everyone can good at trading.

So I think the whole game is base on trades is a big bomb.

[gilded elm]

Everyone can trade in PoE/PoE2. Getting good loot is not the problem. Knowing when loot is good is the problem.

Everyone picks up good loot, all of the time. Most people just don't know that it's good.

[mental talon]

Knowledge is pretty much one of the if not the best skills you can have in PoE or any ARPG in general IMO

[gilded elm]

Yep, it's essentially just a knowledge game.

[fierce moth]

Then just let my experience worse because I never can reduce the difference between me and you on knowledge.

New players get worse experience then they don't want to play that, then their knowledge is more poor, then the difference is more, then the experience is worse

[gilded elm]

Rate of knowledge accumulation is not linear. The more you know, the harder it is to learn more / there is less to learn.

How do people who play SSF get good gear? It's not 100% RNG. There is skill and knowledge involved.

[mental talon]

Kirra we all started not knowing. Everyone started from 0. Their is plenty of stuff in PoE I am not well versed on (don't ask me about Minion builds). I learned a lot through trial and error as well as following guides but mainly seeing why someone made some choice and failing over and over. No one starts at the top. I'm stubborn so I forced myself to learn how to craft and learning one system gives you in-roads into other systems and that knowledge becomes the basis for understanding

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and there's probably a good chance you might pick up some god-tier minion item and just throw it away because you don't know how good it is, lol

[mental talon]

I block Bone Rings and Bone Helmets from my filter, I ain't got time for all that

Never gotta worry about missing a Giga Minion item if I don't see them 😭

[gilded elm]

That's common too, a lot of people filter out base items that aren't for their own build.

[desert jasper]

All of them are giga minion items when you can't see them

[mental talon]

I'm willing to make that sacrifice

[desert jasper]

Mirror tier even
wand with +1 to all minions, +1 to all spells, minions are aggressive and what else

[mental talon]

I'm willing to risk it

[desert jasper]

[gilded elm]

Trading as a beginner isn't easy, but I would say your knowledge is more important than your RNG when it comes to successful trades. This is why tools exist to price check and figure out what your item is worth.

[desert jasper]

Tbh I remember when a friend started playing poe during... uhh i think harvest league?
basically got all her gear handed to her, challenges offered etc
turned out she knew basically nothing of the game but was saying she could've easily got to 36 challenges solo

[mental talon]

That's why I make it known that I won't give any gear or currency but will guide you how to get to a place need to start developing problem solving skills IMO

[desert jasper]

Yeah I didn't give her any gear
told her how to craft her caustic arrow bow
.. she still screwed it up because she first got did the other stuff and then thought you finish it with essence

[gilded elm]

One basic tip that applies to every game with gear trading: look at every meta build, look at the kind of items/mods they want, look out for them

[twilit mountain]

I assisted Dream with learning as best I could, she played her own build with her own crafted gear. She could've at least gotten all voidstones and probably run some T17s if she dedicated the time to it, she just gets bored before that. Still, like 30d of value in gear and like 15d in sales in maybe two weeks tops as a player with less than 100 hours? That's great.

[sage flame]

would be cool if we saw damage type conversion affixes like this in LE in the future

[acoustic jungle]

For the 3 people that still care, and maybe others!

I'll keep updating this number daily, but after the last points #📚┃off-topic message about the model, I'm very happy with it. I was waiting on EHG to launch their advertising, and the networks to open up the data, as that was the last missing point. Currently:
Peak: ~80-110k, read (edit soon)
Unique (keep going back-and-forth, but it's "nearly reliable"): 620k (2w timeline, anything further than that is impossible to tell)

First, a fun fact: "Krafton" was mentioned in 3% of all conversations/history from/of active people. That means a large part of people don't even know the acquisition happened. It's a non-issue. Makes the "its dead corporate evil" comments even dumber.

Things I think are gonna happen in the next few days:

• The numbers will gradually lower.
• The drop-off for active players is gonna be way bigger than S2, but (even if I can test it), I think the number of unique players will remain relatively stable %-wise from the total of people who own the game.
• I expect to see a slightly positive uptick now that the season information has been released. Last season's release was a major uptick, but can't directly compare. Will see, no point in checking this yet.

To be fair, while I initially said there is no wildcard, I wanna say that I feel like this season is amazing. Today's previews showed that, in terms of "content", it's pretty much the same as S2, but I think a lot of people won't see it. My intuition is telling me to adjust the content creators' influence weight to way more than it is now, and then run sentiment analysis on people who the model categorizes as "has negative opinion", to see if they watched a preview video, and changed their minds.

big text big moves big info

(not really)

[sand wigeon]

I’ll probably play again next league. Mercs simply didn’t interest me.

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/IIGdWSlCqkU?si=tUypdLHw2sdf1ANc

I'm inspired by this video. Meaning is Poe 2 is a trade based game, new players can't know how to trade as quickly as Poe players, plus rmt in Poe 2 is quite seriously, and the percentage of gear's influence is bigger/ I have zero experience on soul-like ARPG, Poe 2 is a disaster for me at the end.

That's interesting that 100 people have 100 ways to complaint how bad Poe 2 is btw, xd

[lofty wren]

yea I mean they really messed up with poe2, it will likely be a while until it's ready for full release

[vagrant topaz]

No, we copy them into a different server

[desert jasper]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 2 years

[twilit mountain]

We're nearing a year already and they've been able to knock out like.... 10% of what's missing at best? Gonna be a while yeah

[lofty wren]

maybe if they treated it like a early access game and not a full game they'd be farther along... but it is what it is

[twilit mountain]

They did the whole "league" thing for it because people were irritated about their builds being bricked
People wouldn't be irritated if they just... did what they already do in PoE1 for that: give a full refund for free.
Gee, wonder what else I can apply that statement to.

[junior oyster]

I'm probably one of the exceptions but I like poe2 more than poe1

[fierce moth]

Maybe the pillar of temporal sanctum have inspired by that architecture

[junior oyster]

No idea I freaking hate sanctum

[fierce moth]

oh that's responsibility of their level designers

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fpRDzhUHFI
The trailer of an upcoming 3A Korean action-adventure game developed by Nexon Games, woochi: the wayfarer. No steam page yet

[lofty wren]

No gameplay, sad

Trailer was cool though

[desert jasper]

Eh, no gameplay shown = worthless to me

[narrow token]

Probably another soulslike. SKIP!

[crisp onyx]

ok, i thought this league will be pretty small, but after last post i'm itnerested

or maybe i'm wrong and league is pretty small

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/s/APfbGHFNMi

Just know that's quite complex to implement multiplayer mode...

[blissful token]

nub... does this mean GS is faster and stronker?

I am not quite sure about the tackle part

Less delay input on tackle so we can tackle earlier?

[desert jasper]

Lemme read

Yeah
I read that like the animations between the charges has been made faster
and skipping one with the tackle seems to be faster too
and element dmg increased

[blissful token]

Hmm normally the first 2 charges timing are fine, only the 2nd charge transitioning to tcs takes longer

Double tackle into tcs was made faster too huh

I dont really do that unless i am late to take position on a CC'ed monster

[desert jasper]

I don't really care tbh
I've the game uninstalled for quite a while now already

Maybe i'll check again when they "fix" the performance again
and witness it being just worse again

[blissful token]

Thats fair.. they haven't done much on optimization

[desert jasper]

basically none

[blissful token]

The so call better VRAM utilization was a placebo 😂

[desert jasper]

Using frame gen would be fine
If the game already actually performed fine

[blissful token]

True dat

Honestly was a very shite move to just ask player get newer gpu and let the ai do the work

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Better get used to it because that's gonna happen more and more in AAA games

[blissful token]

Pcmasterace becomes pcAIrace

[desert jasper]

Apparently cpu optimization isn't happening until title update 4

so in like
2 years

[keen wind]

It's gonna keep happening as long as people keep enabling it

I've had my 800€ laptop for 5 years though so I fully expect some newer titles to not work well if they have a good reason not to

Would rather upgrade when 12GB VRAM on a laptop is more reasonable but we'll see

[fierce moth]

I'm fall flat on hardware and no idea when can I upgrade them too.

🤔 oh yes, maybe I can paint a xbox controller

That's interesting that own a green marble controller

Oh yes. That's what I think...It suppose to be looked like that

First time see you post something @obtuse rune and it's what I care about the most personally after gameplay

I'm interested in where can I find massive chains the most about Ancient era

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Krillson,_Master_Fisherman
It voiced by Chris?! Interesting

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. Krillson -> "Chris Wilson"

[fierce moth]

I want to play a Lagon cycle to be honest 🤔 I wonder what will shrines in undersea looks

Maybe I should explore something about this area :)

I need to learn how to paint something undersea at first

[muted parrot]

The toucan pet was mentioned in the forum post as „LE toucan“.

Wasn’t that the big meme in PoE? Le toucan has arrived 😅

[desert jasper]

Yes indeed

directly a referencing that

[fierce moth]

which poe meme is it

[desert jasper]

"LE toucan has arrived"

Posting that in chat will get you banned from chat in PoE

[muted parrot]

yeah that got posted in global and all went crazy xD

[desert jasper]

I know someone who got like 100 day chat ban from it and then said that he has never even posted it before

but... I know the guy and he most certainly has been hit with multiple chat bans before and they pretty much always double in length

[fierce moth]

I mean which meme is about poe's toucan?

[junior oyster]

This is the meme

[fierce moth]

No idea on poe's history so I'm confused why are they hyped by toucan suddenly

..... 😅 🤷‍♀️ Sorry I don't understand why it can become a meme

[desert jasper]

You don't have to understand.

[fierce moth]

Or I should understand it as just "le toucan"? Le =the in French as I know

So "a toucan is arrived"

[junior oyster]

Nothing to understand really

It's no different to stuff like pog

[muted parrot]

I wonder if that meme will continue in LE now 😅

[fierce moth]

I mean... Similar meme happened in poe before?

[junior oyster]

That is the meme in poe lol

Or from poe

[fierce moth]

yes that's what I want to know

[junior oyster]

Unless you mean other memes?

Then they have stuff like Krangle

[desert jasper]

Krangle me up homie

[fierce moth]

How that old meme from poe look?

I have zero background knowledge about poe meme

[desert jasper]

toucan? it's old

like... 10 years or something

So by meme standards it's ancient

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/nndrr9/le_toucan_has_arrived/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/d7pwj7/you_ask_i_deliver_le_toucan_has_arrived_again/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/lv4vz8/le_toucan_has_arrived/

What the hell are these...

[desert jasper]

People appreciating art (toucan)

[fierce moth]

What stuff inspired poe players to play that meme before?

[desert jasper]

Yes

[fierce moth]

Why toucan = appreciating art?

[desert jasper]

They're directly referencing the "le toucan has arrived"

by making toucan stuff

[fierce moth]

😂 😂 😂 😅 ......

Alright let me think how am I ask my question

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2w5sjx/le_toucan_has_arrived/
No idea why this video is appeared when I search what this meme mean

It's the origin of le toucan has arrived but... I just no idea which relationship between this video and this meme

why people would like to spam this ASCII pattern on the internet is the confusion I have (what are they want to express by this pattern?)

[desert jasper]

Because it is a meme

That's it
literally

nothing deeper than that

[junior oyster]

Yea you are looking too deep into this meme

It's like using this

Basically memes

[desert jasper]

Or maid owobyss

[fierce moth]

oh yes I don't understand what this emoji mean too

[desert jasper]

It's just someone once said "Owobyss" instead of Orobyss
and someone then made a orobyss with blush + ribbon to make it look "cute"
and the "owobyss" sounding cuter to say

[fierce moth]

I will use that when I want to express I'm entertained by this message

[desert jasper]

Anyway
Memes do not need to have a "deeper meaning"
And if you have to explain them fully they kinda lose their meaning

And if you have to have too much text to explain it?
It's a bad meme

[fierce moth]

It's a pity that I brushed colours for 8h today but still not complete basic brush work yet 😵

I must complete that tomorrow 🫡

[neon sigil]

looking good, I feel like you're getting more comfortable with the medium.

[fierce moth]

......That's me, very unfortunately. I think I'm not worth to have beautiful things because my skills aren't reach that level, well that's truth the real life tell me so I believe that.

But... What I want is the own love at last????? Alright, no idea. I can't approve of myself and accept myself yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piidErez4NA

🤔 I wonder which youtube channel she have... I want to watch more Found

[fierce moth]

Ok I admit I enjoyed brushing walls again 😄

Spread shabby chic style more 😉
(Leave xiaolongbao, rags and plant not paint yet...)

The wall with shabby chic style brushing is better a lot compare with the first painting hhh
Sigh, the first time is a chaos always hhh

[twilit axle]

Krafton fires back at Unknown Worlds lawsuit, says Subnautica 2 was at risk of causing 'irreversible harm to the entire franchise' like Kerbal Space Program 2 | Krafton says former heads of Unknown Worlds fired with cause to keep them from "permanently damaging Unknown Worlds' most valuable IP."
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingnews/s/IFjK961XKy

[keen wind]

Damn, I wasted my first one on Izaro pasta :( But you can't post Toucan anymore anyway, it's limited to ASCII now, so best Toucan we got is (o)>

[tawny sand]

no i have to hate krapton 😠 😠

[dusty pewter]

Has anyone tried out TQ2?

[desert jasper]

Yes
Bunch of people here

[dusty pewter]

I was having SO MUCH fun with it until my co op buddy said alright that was the last boss 3 hours into us playing

[desert jasper]

3 hours?
Man, there's so much to explore in the game already

[dusty pewter]

Game ends shortly after pan though

what exploration do you mean lol

oh I see what you mean

When you played it was less

[desert jasper]

There's a bunch of quests that aren't given at a hub

[dusty pewter]

Idk I feel weird about spending $25 for 3 hours of content

yea I know like the strange jar, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the game has unlimited potential. Its a BEAUTIFUL game. Im just complaining because I liked it so much

[desert jasper]

and nah, I bought it when they put it out to early access

Tbh i didn't get the hunt for the 4 fishman champions quest from npc so it took me a long time to find them all LUL

[dusty pewter]

Ahh thats pretty fair

without the map markers I can imagine that taking awhile

me and my buddy accidentally got glitched from a quest

[karmic nimbus]

i explored everything and it took 7 hours

[dusty pewter]

He turned in a quest and went from level 18 to 44

he had to make a new character after that lol

[desert jasper]

Yeah, took me 7hours too

[dusty pewter]

Eh when I say 3 hours its more of an under estimation and over generalization. Took prolly like 5-6

[karmic nimbus]

its kinda short'ish but im fine with it

[dusty pewter]

just trying to push the short point

[dusty pewter]

Im not, I loved it too much

[desert jasper]

I mean
I think it's fine for act1 length

[dusty pewter]

I made this poison bow build that was one shotting everything and I was so proud because I didnt look it up

Rogue/warfare

[dusty pewter]

yea I mean It is and will probably have a ton of content added to Act 1 alone which im 100% okay with.

not to change the game topic, but how is PoE2?

Ive recently delved back into the world of ARPG with TQ2

Gave up on it after wasting $100 on d4

[karmic nimbus]

i cant play poe2 at its current form

[dusty pewter]

Thats what im told

[fierce moth]

congratulations on finding your fun in tq 2

[desert jasper]

Eh poe2 needs way too much work
It's lacking like 90% of the content

[dusty pewter]

Thank you lol

is d4 still a crapshoot?

[desert jasper]

yup

[dusty pewter]

Lol alright so Last epoch and PoE seem to be the only obvious choices.

Take me back to the days where I came home from school and played the Incredible adventures of Van helsing Final Cut

simpler times.

[desert jasper]

I wish I could get back the money I spent on D4

[dusty pewter]

Bro same, I didnt even cash in on the free 25 season pass levels the $100 version got you

Didnt even last that long

What a waste of money man

They have one choice and one choice only at this point

D2 Remastered/Remake

[desert jasper]

I played during the launch
and then tried season 1
and was so utterly bored in season1 that I didn't even go to max lvl
I heard it's better now than at launch
but dear god

[dusty pewter]

Same here

[desert jasper]

I had more fun in D3 than d4

[dusty pewter]

Played day 1 until season pass

D1-2 miles better then 3-4

Redeem yourselves with a d2 Remaster and we gucci

[desert jasper]

Diablo2 resurrected is a thing
I don't trust them to make an actual full remake of D2 though

[karmic nimbus]

d2r is same boring ass than og d2 is

d2 mods are the thing where the fun is

[neon sigil]

Poe2 is great but the last patch was a major balance pass.

Aka it was rough. People are expecting it to be more than a beta.

[dusty pewter]

Ill have to look into mods for it, didnt know that was a thing

[dusty pewter]

Really looking forward to when PoE2 is comparable to 1

I know itll be awhile

[karmic nimbus]

project diablo 2 and path of diablo are the biggest vanilla like ones

[dusty pewter]

Nice im looking now

[karmic nimbus]

more skills, balances, bosses, mapping system on both from poe etc etc

alot of QoL

also corrupting similar to poe

[fierce moth]

@blissful token Do you plan to play lich?

[dusty pewter]

That sounds awesome

[blissful token]

depends on how good is the flay skill/uniques

[fierce moth]

oh wait cm cosy stream still will continue, interesting

[desert jasper]

yes

[neon sigil]

People saying they have no connection issues "because other online games work fine" gives me ptsd.

[karmic nimbus]

people dont know how connections work

they assume if they have 1gb fiber it cant act weird in any instances

[maiden widget]

If it's just one game it's still hard to care as customer sadly

[fierce moth]

I post the latest work here before it's flooded in the wave of lich and necromancer discussion.

[junior oyster]

I will be playing necro and hoping the abom is powerful enough to survive stuff

[blissful token]

Omg

They made a node for blood eruption from flay to scale with mana pool?

Just how many things have to scale with mana at this point?

[junior oyster]

They copying poe

[blissful token]

Not sure if this is diversifying mana stacking or straight up just copy pasta the same thing to a new skill, lacking skill design

Flay could be just another mini ES for Lich depending on how other nodes making it stronk

Sounds a bit boring

[fierce moth]

I guess le pros start to theorycraft their builds already

🤔 70% contents are changes of lich... Well one of op builds in 1.3 is obviously

[mental talon]

Can't theorycraft without patch notes

[fierce moth]

Lots of melee players in le so I can predict players who play lich will much more than play necromancer :)

Executioner and Impact Ward are nodes I guess every lich players will select

🤔 It's a melee character so duel wielding will 100% the valid choice for more damage. More defense always is a good thing.

No idea how these pros will play accursed feast or not because avoid leech stack is the condition they need to do

[fierce moth]

https://www.instagram.com/dkharbour/
🤔 First time to see an artist in this level on influence...That's insane

Oh. Not an arist. Just an influencer

I wonder who he is actually

[mental talon]

He is an actor.

[fierce moth]

lol the contrast is a bit big...An actor promote a game

[muted parrot]

recurve stuff on a minion/necromancer with bow damage scaling from int is...unexpected 😵‍💫

[fierce moth]

So Judd maybe connect with many famous actors too... Well the world of the rich is quite mysterious really

(I never see Chinese actors will share which game they likes at least) 😂

The blood of game is common in Americans...

[neon sigil]

If anything I find it's quite a small world.
Everything's more connected than you would think.

[fierce moth]

I find the world is quite big, on the opposite. Maybe because I have zero connection.

Overwhelming big, I'm too small.

[fierce moth]

Oh wait, yarn is my only connection xd

But she's sleeping on my bed now so I can't ask her what the sense of my life now

[fierce moth]

https://x.com/Vivek_Investor/status/1955533154410004731
Vivid analogy on how the spirit status of current young people xd

[fierce moth]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxLVIU2QOmSdCQd8v5p27kfG_g-XpYq_CP?si=ZOhlZde7p6I65aS4

I'm surprised to see Gavryn in the list too.

Lol no QA podcasts of le 1.3 but a series of QA podcasts of Poe 2 0.3.0 here...

The turn is turned.

[karmic nimbus]

that actor is huge last epoch fan

he acts in stranger things netflix series

and many other stuff too before that

[sage flame]

For the cultured, new Seer video dropped 😂

[narrow token]

Red Guardian!

[desert jasper]

#news message

Had to scroll back so much for that

[blissful token]

Crimson Desertt delayed

Yea more mana stacking, it does make it more boring for me

Oo i was looking at blood tether in s2

Now it got more support in s3

[desert jasper]

I still haven't read the news

[blissful token]

I might be playing rip blood hehe

Wow blood tether scales with bleed now

I am excited now!

Hmm i havent decided on mastery yet. Flay mana stacking is abit of a turn off for me

[desert jasper]

Then just don't stack mana

[blissful token]

We will see if i still like flay to go for it

But aura or decay can convert to physical/bleed now

I might use it with rip blood but the mobbing might not be ideal 🤷🏻‍♂️

Marrow shards may help

[desert jasper]

meme shards is also getting some changes

might be less of a meme

[blissful token]

@fierce moth what do you have in mind? Mastery and skill to play with

[fierce moth]

Go with poison skeletal archor necromancer or poison abomination necromancer

[fierce moth]

oh very interesting

[fierce moth]

https://www.theartnest.academy/portfolioguide#headline-07182d8a
Such an useful course it's, the pity is it's not open to apply now

Get feedback from professional artists always is the most tough part

Well, I want to work in loot-based ARPG, so it's clear that which companies available to apply and maybe say yes

[fierce moth]

"Design this pillar and give me 50 pillars in 1 day."

😂 My Jesus...

Alright then my direction is move to how an concept artist complete a usable work which includes 50 pillars less than 1 day...

I can get the meaning, it's required the artist have extreme creativity on the same project but it's hard to keep and train the creativity indeed

[desert jasper]

Well when you have 1 pillar ready you can just make small changes to that
if necessary

[fierce moth]

The funny thing is an environment concept art must includes tons of details, if you must list per detail with 50 possibilities...

My Jesus. Too overwhelming.

But yes, I need to train myself to think the same thing with different angles at first.

My portfolio don't show this part at all... It's make sense that 100% I will be rejected

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9ZgBR0uuE
That question is mentioned in this video (5:40). I never think how to answer questions mentioned in this video indeed

[vagrant topaz]

Frostbite Flay

[desert jasper]

You mean Blue erasing strike?

[fierce moth]

Oh maybe many people have noticed, moon beast studio plan to release a new loot-based ARPG and they have invited a few ARPG streamers to public test recently

(I don't know this studio until yesterday... They have developed d2/d3/d4)

[lofty wren]

I watched a bit of gameplay, I wasn't really impressed by what I saw BUT it's still very early in development

[fierce moth]

Yes, pre-pre-test

[fierce moth]

Why the status of your dog always can copy mine perfectly

Pet pet pet pet

Btw your phone can take so beautiful photos

Aug. 14th today, alright I hope I can own a professional portfolio which have everything game studios require to show for applying concept environment artist role after 3 months (91 days later).
At least includes a project.

Apply again to show what I have learnt and improved after received the first rejection

[desert jasper]

Good luck

[fierce moth]

Less than 3 months for 1.3 and I must learn their new contents at the same time. Very challenging to balance them together

Not only le, I need to learn Poe 2 too

Both of them are time killers so I need to deal with triple time killers

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/Pj-OMJBwO7o?si=cbdVRGK3bSjJWEwa
It showed what a player have experienced in Poe after played Poe 2 1k+.

Lol revert the order? Interesting.

[desert jasper]

Got a spicy fried chicken burger
It tastes good
Sadly no cheese
could also use a little bit of garlic

[fierce moth]

🥱 The most tricky part is ask my parents don't bother me with asking me to find a job all the time

They must interrupt my plan often by giving me mental shackles

[fierce moth]

Fine. I just wrote a plan with this amount of hanzi and sent it to my mum.

I did my best.

(That's a long story to tell )

Found a online course for how to become a professional concept environment artist exactly, US$45 I need to pay

I remember three views for a object is a classic question I must give a correct option in maths exams while I'm in junior/senior high school, that's a few knowledge I love to figure them out even just for preparing exams

Three views = Judge how a object look like with its front view/top view/left view only

That's why this concept have attracted me. Familiar different views for a object. The skill 3d modeler must learn hhh

[fierce moth]

Recursive announcement 😆

oh I don't check out DarthMicrotransaction's poe 2 interview videos yet

[fierce moth]

I find the passion for games from international people just crazy, for example, the lead level designer of GGG design his first map in warcraft 1 while he...6, 7 years old only

2 extremes. One side is endless exams and zero entertainment, the other side is infinite playing and exploring.

[blissful token]

Kojima design his map with Lego :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kHxDrs78pU

[uncut ivy]

is there\ something else besides poe1&2, diablo4 and last epoch to play? yk something similar

[desert jasper]

Grim Dawn is in the same genre
Titan quest 2 but it's still early access so not very much content really

[uncut ivy]

is grim dawn good? idk i sawa a vid about it and it looks very old

[desert jasper]

It's still probably my favorite arpg
Sure, it's a bit older, it came out in 2016 and is running a modified Titan Quest 1 engine
but there's a lot of content, the classes feel good to play, flow is good... apart from movement skills needing to target an enemy

[uncut ivy]

is campaign time similar to poe or similar to last epoch

[desert jasper]

The campaign is quite long in Grim Dawn tbh
a lot of optional things you can do
some you can only access later when you got high enough rank in the respective factions

[uncut ivy]

alr got it, ty

[junior oyster]

I also second the notion to play GD

And when you are done with GD you can install the RoT mod

[desert jasper]

Also the dlcs (apart from crucible) put in more content for the campaign
but you don't have to do any of that stuff if you don't want to

[junior oyster]

My only issue with GD is the storage issue and if you install external storage tools you need to disable cloud storage

[desert jasper]

Also the crafting at blacksmith is kind of a pain in the ass
it's better these days than what it used to be

[junior oyster]

Too bad expansion is most likely next year

[desert jasper]

Wait, they moved it that far?

[junior oyster]

They had a dev update a couple of months back

It feels like they wanna work on it some more

[fierce moth]

That's the game which le game director play the most besides le

[desert jasper]

Hmm
Yeah I did see they put out a dev post
but I didn't read it kek

[junior oyster]

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/fangs-of-asterkarn-development-update-june-2025/146114

This is the part which makes me speculate next year

Ofc I'd love to be wrong and they release it this year

[desert jasper]

Yeah, probably
I do also have farthest frontier
but turns out I don't really enjoy it all that much 🤔
townbuilding etc isn't really my jam

[junior oyster]

Same

At least not slow paced games like that

I do like against the storm though

It's a town build game where you are limited by time and environments

[desert jasper]

Last time I played FF it was with the speed put to max
and then at some point I ran out of food and bandits attacked me
and felt like I could do nothing

[junior oyster]

Roguelite elements

You should give AtS a try (it's free for the first two hours wink)

Oh wait they have a demo

[desert jasper]

I tried Katamari damacy today
But turns out I reaally don't like the controls

[junior oyster]

👀

[fierce moth]

⬆️
:)

claustrophobic-like maze lol

I never think this word before it mentioned by Steven

I have reviewed the shape of all arenas I seen in poe 2, 99.9% are circle. That's why that snake lady who own an army in act 3 is quite impressive.

Learnt that pattern of poison spears for a long time to form the muscle memory...

[gilded elm]

gigachad

[fierce moth]

2h+ now!

Oh wait, I forget the lava arena. Yes I'm a caster so I passed that without any troubles

But reduce the area of arena by lava is a very cool concept

[gilded elm]

I need to finish my Shieldbreaker build

[junior oyster]

I should replay grim dawn

It's been a while since I last played but I kind of want to wait on expansion

[abstract karma]

i should probably finish grim dawn on maxed diff.. i'm just too lazy to do it..
I mean pick up every single thing once again..

Wish i could just start on max diff from start..

That's only thing i hate on Titan and Grim Dawn.. that fact that you can't start (yes grim dawn has way) on hard from the start

• that would bring me more to replay it more

[gilded elm]

I made a whole ass script to replace the GD fonts with PoE's font lol (Fontin) but it's not quite right, like item affixes aren't using the small caps variant like they do in PoE, still gotta fix that but that requires editing the ui/styles/text DB records themselves and that's a bit more work Sadge

[abstract karma]

why such change ? Is PoE font just better ?

[gilded elm]

Not so much PoE's font is better, more than Grim Dawn's font sucks and I just decided to use PoE's for familiarity more than anything.

This would look more PoE-like if I changed the affix fonts to use the Small Caps variant of Fontin, though. That might make it look better. But this is what it looks like using PoE's font.

Another problem I had with GD's fonts is that because they use bitmaps (every letter and size font variant the game uses has to be statically mapped into an image, like sprites), depending on how much you scale the UI, the fonts change drastically because the devs had to pick and choose which font sizes to include in the bitmaps.

The script I wrote includes many more font sizes into the bit maps (at the expense of increased file sizes) so UI scaling looks much better no matter what size you scale it to.

Bitmap-based fonts is really old game dev tech, even for a game that released when Grim Dawn did. I'm quite surprised Crate chose to use it instead of a proper font rendering library like PoE does.

[abstract karma]

that's is interesting, but idk i would do that with poe font i mean i would use font more-like to grim dawn theme

[junior oyster]

You can if you beat ultimate with one toon for the base game (Log)

Oh nvm you mentioned it

[gilded elm]

Grim Dawn uses Linux Biolinum and Brioso Pro for most fonts, I wasn't a big fan of either.

[junior oyster]

Either way I'd rather do GD campaign over practically any other arpg campaign

[abstract karma]

I never got there 😄 I made 2 chars,
one i learned a bit about GD
Second i finished and while i was doing it update on scale on normal diff came..

• so basically i have maxed lvl char with just no desire to run second diff 😄

[junior oyster]

I wish I could skip poe campaign

It's so boring and shallow

[gilded elm]

I almost always just play the GD campaign, I pretty much never really farm SRs. GD campaign is enjoyable

[junior oyster]

PoE2 is slightly better but it's still boring

[junior oyster]

Yea

And with the addition of challenge shrines campaign feels pretty nice too

Monster shrines*

[abstract karma]

I wish PoE camp wouldnt integrate every league and it's broken things..

• Then there wouldnt be need for any stupidity like "starter builds" or need improving more and more dmg and scaling everything from start..

I just hope that scale od diff will be in PoE 2 in some normal curve till you hit Endgame and then comes that hard part..

[gilded elm]

You're rewarded with playing the campaign over and over too, because the world is full of secrets, you also learn what bosses drop what, etc

[junior oyster]

Starter builds will pretty much always exist though I think

[abstract karma]

If things would be in POE 1 added per Act or every 3 - 4 acts it would just hut differently.. mainly for new players which are mostly overhelmed by diff spikes

[junior oyster]

Also the hard part should not mean white/blue mobs hit like a bullet train infused with truck-sama

PoE1 is not for new/caual players like myself

There is a reason poe1 vets dislike poe2

[gilded elm]

There's 0 sense of discovery and learning with PoE1/2 campaigns. It's just a narrative experience with no other meaningful purpose IMO

[maiden widget]

idk poe1 has a few secrets as well

i dont find grim dawn to be a better exp

[abstract karma]

I dont like PoE 2 tho..

It fine till you notice that heaviness of RNG which was always bit a problem for Path of Exile progression..

I will wait till PoE 2 will reach 1.0.0

[gilded elm]

I don't really take a detour in PoE1/2 campaign to uncover a secret

[maiden widget]

why do you like it in GD

[gilded elm]

GD is a static world, it makes a lot of difference when it comes to that kind of thing.

[abstract karma]

More reason just dont add all diff spikes from all previous leagues and you get hit by how are these Rare mobs called from that one league ?
from early acts while act bosses are way easier 😄

[junior oyster]

I kinda prefer poe2 over poe1

[maiden widget]

Really? I honestly don't see a big difference - but there's almost nothing interesting i remember from side content in GD1 besides hidden bosses either

i just remember how awful the pathing is in the house area in the first addon and how lengthy the third act was

[junior oyster]

We kinda mean various little areas or people we visit or shortcuts we unlock kinda make it worthwhile

[gilded elm]

Being hand-crafted means I have a sense of knowledge accumulation where I learn something I can meaningfully apply in subsequent playthroughs

[abstract karma]

give me more deterministic approach of character progression than tons of slow grinding of RNG and then we can agree that past of these all years PoE 2 hits differently and better but till then i can't just overcome that RNG feeling which is already in PoE 1 after all leagues masked enough to enjoy it

[gilded elm]

Secrets are always in the same place. Everything is always in the same place. The world is very, very big. Learning where things are feels more impactful, meaningful.

[junior oyster]

In PoE it feels like a sense of urgency to go to the next area whereas I can take my time in gd

[maiden widget]

If the outcome were meaningful maybe but maybe i also just never played it enough

[gilded elm]

I don't have the exact numbers, but Crate did put out square kilometer figures of the world and new areas added by expansions. It's massive

[junior oyster]

Exploration feels pointless in poe1

And poe2 made it even clearer with how big most of the maps are

[maiden widget]

yes but it didnt feel better to me in gd just because the world is bigger

It still lacked a reward mostly for finding the cool stuff

[junior oyster]

I might have thought differently if PoE had an offline mode

[maiden widget]

why would offline matter if you could just ssf anyway

[junior oyster]

But in the online world I just want to get to maps

[gilded elm]

It's a combination of the world being massive and static. PoE2 feels very large, because zones are indeed big, but at the same time it also feels very empty compared to GD.

[junior oyster]

Even if it's ssf in poe I just want to get to maps

Almost like an urgency

And yes I did do ssf (till maps and then I got bored)

[maiden widget]

Sounds a bit like fomo when its basically SP anyway just like GD, but i guess there you don't have an endgame

[junior oyster]

I mean you do and don't

PoE is all about fomo xD

Tbf I don't explore in LE either for the most part

[gilded elm]

There's room for live service and SP/P2P ARPGs to coexist IMO, I see the benefits of both. I appreciate GD/TQ for what they are.

[junior oyster]

Maybe first time but then every other time I'm skipping

[gilded elm]

In a way, with tileset-based procedural map generation, PoE/PoE2's zones feel very impersonal, lacking in personality.

[maiden widget]

I never was the explorer kind of guy in those games, the most interesting thing is making builds for me

same with story, if i want a good story i read a book, i prefer gameplay a lot more

[gilded elm]

Like even this tiny little nugget of the world feels more narratively expressive than anything you can find in PoE's procedurally generated zones.

[maiden widget]

in what way thats just a sign?

[gilded elm]

And one of the things I'll forever remember is traversing the Arkovian mountains and coming across the signs of humanity and picking up the lore notes for The Trip South

[maiden widget]

similar to the blood before brutus leading the way

or other sounds snippets/lore triggers near bosses

[gilded elm]

Preceded by all of Burrwitch village, mind you. All of the shops, the scattered lore notes, a whole ass village that actually looks like it was a village and not just a procedurally mashed together set of tilesets.

[junior oyster]

I never even noticed xD

The only thing I notice is moaning in the moon temple

[maiden widget]

ledge also has tiny totems leading to kuduku near the waypoint

lots of little things you can easily miss

[gilded elm]

IMO there's not enough "continuity" across multiple campaign runs to really notice and appreciate these things in PoE.

Whereas, in GD everything's always in the same place, you might miss it the first couple times around... but then you see it.

And this is across the entire world, not just a few small areas in the zone.

[junior oyster]

Isn't that a oneway area anyway?

[maiden widget]

sure but if you have to pause and port in its always a small hint on where to go

[gilded elm]

I appreciate procedural generation in maps/endgame type stuff, but I do wish PoE had a hand-crafted campaign world and after really getting into Grim Dawn I see the value of it.

[junior oyster]

Don't get me wrong I do notice that stuff (like before a1 boss fight) but that's usually on the way to the boss and not me exploring the entire area

[gilded elm]

Being procedural in nature means PoE1/2's campaign simply won't have the same kind of detours and explorable places.

[maiden widget]

sure but exploring the whole area also isnt rewarded in GD feels a bit like measuring with 2 cups

[junior oyster]

Leads to other areas in gd that are usually optional not so much in poe imo

Even if they do they usually lead to a quest

[gilded elm]

Besides the experience of exploring the world itself, the knowledge of where things are is a reward, too.

[junior oyster]

In GD you get stuff like shrines and stuff to fight

Any place in poe that doesn't usually lead to a beneficial quest (like skills/flasks/gems) aren't worth exploring

[gilded elm]

GGG obviously cares about PoE's story and want people to care, otherwise they wouldn't have made a great story. But they fall short of actually engaging most players in any meaningful way that actually immerses them in the story.

[junior oyster]

Also on first toon sure it's cool to go through the campaign (I'd prefer to skip) but it doesn't feel the same way on second+ to me

Per league

[maiden widget]

I just honestly don't see where grim dawn does it better but i also dont really care for the exploration leading to a new boss or stuff like that much

personally I'd not rate any of the arpg campaigns high in any way

[junior oyster]

I still love the d2 campaign so I can't say I agree with you but to each their own

[gilded elm]

D2 is pretty good as a narrative experience, but I think it gets carried heavily by act cinematics and Deckard Cain more than anything.

GD does it through not just good voice acting, but also a hand-crafted world packed with countless secrets and explorable areas, they use the world itself to tell the story and they do it quite well.

I only rate D2 and GD's campaigns highly among the ARPGs.

[maiden widget]

the campaign in d2 doesn't really do too much outside of the cinematics i personally think its mostly the lore behind it from the manual and other places propping it up for me

actual missions and story is kinda run of the mill

[abstract karma]

then you seems to go more like to rouge-like games than izometric ARPG's

[gilded elm]

Yeah I tend to agree D2 as a game doesn't provide a strong narrative experience outside of the cinematics.

But damn, those cinematics tell one hell of a story.

[maiden widget]

those as well but arpgs provide enough things to try that they scratch the same itch

its a bit like 40k for me, i just like the world and vibe in general in d2 especially with the books it also got

I still don't get how some people praised the d4 story, i found that super weak

[junior oyster]

I mean your char with the voicelines always gets me. Adds more immersion to the game I feel

Shows different heroes reacting slightly different to each other too in certain areas

[gilded elm]

For some reason this wasn't very memorable to me. I don't remember, every class had its own story voicelines, right?

[junior oyster]

Yep

It's partially why necro became my fav

[gilded elm]

Hm, I don't remember playing much necro in D2 at all, actually. I should go back and try with D2R or PD2

[junior oyster]

Enters dank sewers and says 'this is my kinda place'

Or when it gets dark in a2 and you complete the quest he says 'I was beginning to enjoy the darkness'

[junior oyster]

I'd say RoT but then you'd lose the voicelines

Also not being able to freeze/slow bosses in RoT is a bit of a bummer

[maiden widget]

many npcs had special texts for some classes

nilathak also had special dialog for a necro

[junior oyster]

The gambler in a1 straights up hates the necro

[maiden widget]

the a2 vendor for paladin iirc

[junior oyster]

I mean that's one of the things I do love about poe1

[maiden widget]

A Necromancer! I hoped I'd never have to lay my eyes on one of your kind again. ...

😄

https://github.com/JeyP51/diablo-2-txt-2-html/blob/master/string-tables/ultimative-4/eng/string.txt

[junior oyster]

The voicelines carry the game sometimes

As a kid I was so saddened so made another toon hoping I'd get the same reaction

NOPE

He specifically hates necros lool

On the other hand D4 voicelines are overshadowed by npcs

Gah that really annoys me

[maiden widget]

the most fun shit is when people come up with lilith was right

ig they truly nailed lilith

[junior oyster]

And just to be clear I hate d3 story but I'd rather do d3 story than d4 story

Maybe it's just me but it feels sooo freaking dull

Yea cinematics are fine but every few moments touching lilith petals to get some sort of vision is a little annoying

[maiden widget]

The addon was a worse letdown but a buddy wanted to play so I got it

I really hated my time in the addon story - so much bullshit that seems unnecessarily badly written

[junior oyster]

I wish I never bought the addon (or d4 for that matter)

[gilded elm]

Me so ZDPS... Fumble, Miss, Fumble, Miss

[junior oyster]

Yea the old dude being the guy to betray was clear and obvious from the start

[maiden widget]

That and the weird stabbing thing

Then the weird spiritual chanting all the time

It just... Was so bad

[gilded elm]

So this is the guy who was driving the wagon full of corpses from Krieg's for the Aetherials? :O

This was from Gloomwald, which was added in Ashes of Malmouth, I think

Just what I wanted... Mythical Soiled Trousers

[teal flame]

Looks like.... grim dawn?

[gilded elm]

T'is ye good 'ol Grim Dawn, yessir

I'm turbo zdps though :(

Struggling real bad to get more OA

[neon sigil]

I'm not sure why but that piano low key kinda fits with the clip.

[gilded elm]

Yep, dark/melancholic classical goes well with Grim Dawn

[blissful token]

Hmm GGG stream for poe2: the third edict on 20 aug

[fierce moth]

Hhhhhhh

Just want to say that... Too obviously

[blissful token]

More vision or fix?

[fierce moth]

One side is new cycle, the other side is new trailer

[forest nebula]

conveniently the day before LE season 3 starts

[blissful token]

Very convenient

[forest nebula]

release a week after season 3. at least I don't have to worry about getting sucked into that, as I'll be here

[fierce moth]

I mean players must need 2 days to digest new contents which reveal in new trailer (not every player can watch trailer immediately when it's live)

You even doesn't have enough time to enjoy or analyze should you play 0.3.0 then le's 1.3 is live

[gilded elm]

EHG can plan around PoE1/PoE2 in the future, since from now on we will know exactly what months PoE1/PoE2 leagues will be released with GGG's promise of every 4 months.

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ GGG just don't give us a chance to let us balance and like both of them

[forest nebula]

I dont mean to start a flame war, but a LOT would need to change in PoE2 to make me want to play it

it just hasn't been enjoyable for me

[gilded elm]

I probably won't play 0.3 if the only really new thing is "we added druid"

That was supposed to be in the EA release lol

[fierce moth]

It's quite annoying that GGG always release something in closed date with EHG

[forest nebula]

I didn't really play 0.2.0, did they make the endgame less awful with all the towers and sextant things?

[gilded elm]

Shouldn't really be an issue anymore. Next PoE1 league is October, then February, then June. Next PoE2 league is August, then December, then April. EHG can plan around these months now.

[forest nebula]

Best time IMO would be to align with 1 month after PoE1 league release. By then most of the content creators and a lot of the playerbase will be done with the league.

[gilded elm]

2-3 weeks should be fine, concurrent counts tend to drop hard after 2 weeks.

[forest nebula]

Seeing that GD post above got me thinking about Titan Quest again. I never actually played it. Worth buying it at this point, or just wait for TQ2?

[gilded elm]

Depends on your tolerance for dated games lol

[desert jasper]

Titan quest 1 is still fun but really dated
and depending on your class you might not have any aoe

[forest nebula]

I absolutely love Grim Dawn, and I always hear it was the spiritual successor to Titan Quest, so I kinda wanted to experience it.

[gilded elm]

Looks like you just missed the discount as well

[forest nebula]

ah, bummer. Does the bundle ever go on sale?

I don't mind dated games as long as they are good. I'd be playing whatever counts for a summoner/pet build in that game

[gilded elm]

TQ AE+DLCs tend to go on sale together, the whole thing ends up being really cheap. Not sure on how often, but you can expect them to be on sale during major sale events definitely.

I think you can basically get everything for like $10 during a discount.

[forest nebula]

oh nice, I'll definitely keep an eye on that then

[gilded elm]

TQ1 is significantly more dated compared to GD as well, as it doesn't even have the QoL that GD has received the past couple years.

And runs on an older version of GD's current engine

TQ AE at least has a game speed feature, most people play it on the Fast setting which is double game speed if I remember.

[forest nebula]

even the anniversary edition?

[gilded elm]

Been a while since TQ AE received any updates

[forest nebula]

I imagine it's a "closed game" at this point

but I also am really into ancient greek/roman mythology, so the game world is appealing

[gilded elm]

Grab it on discount, refund it if you don't like it. You'll know within the first hour whether it plays well enough for you. Set game speed to Fast though lol

[fierce moth]

:)

I admit the most happy moment of painting is...

1. I done a work
2. Get many validations and praise

[maiden widget]

https://isthereanydeal.com/game/titan-quest-bundle/info/ it doesn't seem to get such a deep discount anymore but it runs well on steam deck if that is interesting for you

[blissful token]

Lord of the fallen 2 reveal next week huh

[sand wigeon]

Oh boy. Maybe this one will be good.

How many Lords of the Fallen are they going to make? I swear that’s like, the fourth.

[desert jasper]

It's the 3rd

There's the OG from like... 2013? or something that was pretty bad and allt he boss names were just levels of: "Warrior" "Vanguard" etc and it was janky as all hell
Then they teased lotf 2 at some point
which then at some point they decided to make into just... new Lords of The Fallen (without the 2)

[gilded elm]

Still zdps... but better? Now my recovery is garbage though D:

[fierce moth]

🥱 Slept 10h today... I must cursed by god of sleep

[fierce moth]

overwhelming actived quests you have

[gilded elm]

Some of them are too hard for my current build lol

[desert jasper]

Alright fine
i'll download Grim Dawn again and play it

[gilded elm]

You uninstalled Grim Dawn? Blasphemy

[maiden widget]

I've told my buddy last August I won't play until the dlc

They better hurry up

[desert jasper]

I regularly uninstall games I don't actively play

Actually I'm not sure if I've even had it installed on this pc 🤔

I've 169/185 achievements
Nice

Pretty much just lacking HC and shattered realm stuff
And late forgotten gods achievements

[tawny sand]

is heroes of hammerwatch any good?

[desert jasper]

Haven't played it
did play the original hammerwatch and kinda liked it ... didn't actually win it because of ||having to find some planks to get out of the boss room and they're hidden well||
might buy heroes of hammerwatch eventually

[tawny sand]

gotcha, i was watching a vid about it and it looked cool

for 2 i mean

then i saw the first game was on sale

[desert jasper]

Ah shit, for that low? yeah thanks for saying that I'll snag it

[tawny sand]

oh dang jupiter hell classic came out too

[fierce moth]

I watch the latest video from Chris in 2 mins then my mind jump on monstera behind him -> I think maybe this is a good object to learn drawing -> Find a good inspiration from pinterest but that's not monstera -> Took a nap after I tried to draw the first leaf -> I find I just can't focus to listen he talking about minecraft's gameplay

🤔 emmm, but his monstera looks quite good. At least.

[gilded elm]

Finally, Korvaak on Ultimate, was fun

[fierce moth]

Original version is here. Emmmmm I admit I prefer chocolate flavour 😅

[smoky lotus]

!devstream

[devout ginkgo]

You can usually find Mike streaming over on our Twitch channel, (https://www.twitch.tv/lastepochgame), or our Youtube channel, (https://www.youtube.com/@LastEpochGame), where we simulcast! Streams go live on Fridays at <t:1742414400:t>! Hope to see you there!

[desert jasper]

^ the time in that is wrong
it's actually 1 hour later than that

[narrow token]

Not for my time zone

[desert jasper]

🤔

[vagrant topaz]

Daylight saving shenanigans?

It is 1h later for me too

[desert jasper]

It could be

Maybe it uses GMT instead of UCT 🤔

[fierce moth]

will you join in Gamescom?

the time is right for me

[fierce moth]

lol

what the hell... I have a follower on youtube?! My Jesus... That people is quite warm

🫂 The sudden kind always be moving so much

[fierce moth]

Thanks for Chris's monstera.

[gilded elm]

Am I going to watch Gamescom? Probably not. I'll just watch any interesting videos people make about stuff at Gamescom

[junior oyster]

Steamdeck support is appreciated

Also is this a reference to Sonic the Hedgehog?

Oh my word it is

[gilded elm]

I love this timeline.

[junior oyster]

Wouldn't know. I played like 10min of it before getting sleepy

Also feeling kinda sad that StS2 still hasn't got a release date lol

[lime flare]

You know guys that developing my own game by myself is sooo darn hard, soo many edge cases to solve....

Its more like challenge to finish it...but it will be on pause for like 1-2 months after 6 days...,,due to this game update

[maiden widget]

Lacks the rpg for me

If the itemization and char building is nonexistent it's a bit hard to see it as that

[gilded elm]

Been years since I played MC, but I did play for quite a while. The way he talks seems to suggest that modern MC has evolved quite significantly from what I last remember, including more itemization and build crafting.

Doubt I'll check it out, but I just enjoy this timeline where Chris Wilson is sharing his thoughts on game design lol

[south gust]

@tall edge Here is why I keep saying Boars are too powerful
https://youtube.com/shorts/UPb2YerfPXY?si=bKKK3lnsomvm8vAj

[gilded elm]

Hm, it's Friday... almost 3pm, not a bad time to clock out of work for the weekend!

[junior oyster]

I'm doing 6 hours of over time during the weekend

6 hours each day

Hehe

[gilded elm]

Ayy more money for you :D

[junior oyster]

Yep I need it especially after buying new pc (old one died) and paying for my car/home insurance

[fierce moth]

Today is a happy and sad day at the same time...
Hyped by new unique items they showed but sad by Volin isn't here anymore

Familiar nicknames are less and less.

[crisp onyx]

can i make bleed mage with this?

[muted parrot]

Sure, you can. But mage doesn’t get much phys damage so it‘ll be worse than let’s say Rogue.

[eager ridge]

https://youtu.be/EswfOOKAju4

rhykker covering a game being made by d2 devs ^

[eager ridge]

go run a spellblade shatter strike mordita's reach

[sand wigeon]

See, “from Diablo 2 devs” is a red flag

[eager ridge]

the og creators

[sand wigeon]

Yes?

I wasn’t aware there was a different because “the creators” and “the creators.”

It looks interesting, but it’s obviously far too soon to make any positive judgements.

[eager ridge]

this with Heat Wave in Black Hole, call the build Bloody Butthole

[sand wigeon]

It’s been many years since D2, perhaps they’ve learned from their peers, but if it’s trying to insinuate that it’ll be like D2, that is an awful sign.

[narrow token]

"Hey, give us attention for something we did 25 years ago!"

[sand wigeon]

Real.

[eager ridge]

yay fomo!

i mean it makes sense anyways, but, yea

[sand wigeon]

Eh. It’s just cosmetics.

[tawny sand]

i mean, the d2 devs worked on other games. Brevik worked on Marvel Heroes and the Schaefer brothers worked on Torchlight 1 and 2

they were good games, in some ways better than d2 i suppose

oh, it seems brevik isn't a part of moon beast. But they have a list of their team and the games they worked on, it seems like a decent list. 🤷

oh and it looks like it's only 1 half of the schaeffers, Erich

[twilit mountain]

It's really just an optics thing, I personally don't like "from the people who brought you [game from many years ago and they have little to no positive modern reputation]" situations. It's one of my gripes with Back 4 Blood and I actually really like that game. I wholeheartedly believe it would have been received better if they hadn't pulled the "from the creators of Left 4 Dead" tag because that set up expectations and ideas that simply aren't what B4B was designed as.

[tawny sand]

yeah that's fair

[sand wigeon]

Issue is that I think all of these games are bad to average at best

[gilded elm]

I agree with Raxx on the Moon Beast game:

1. It's in a pre-alpha state, it barely qualifies as a tech demo
2. It doesn't even have a name, that's how early in development it is
   Based on what they're showing us, there's nothing to be impressed or hyped about, and revealing anything this early can only hurt its perception (at least I was very much not impressed).

[maiden widget]

Yup especially when you realize how many offshoot studios we got from blizzard and we barely have good results so far

Bring me a cool game and I don't care if you're known or not see GGG, see ehg

[fierce moth]

Anyone know how am I call this black panel on ps4 controller?

[gilded elm]

"Devs who made D2" only makes me think of them being out of touch with modern ARPG design lol

[gilded elm]

Touchpad

[sand wigeon]

Exactly what I felt.

[twilit mountain]

Prrrrrecisely

[fierce moth]

back 4 blood is quite expensive 🤔 Another shooter game...

[twilit mountain]

It goes on sale a lot, but I wouldn't play it without friends, the co-op aspect of it (and others like it) is what makes it shine

[fierce moth]

🙃 Most games from wb games are too pricy

Hogwarts Legacy must be their brand game

[fierce moth]

4 years. She still is the queen of voxel art.

She's the people who inspired me to improve a lot on my voxel art, also is the people who I'm envy to her influence the most.

@neon sigil I will say Mari's work is the level I want to achieve one day but... Yes, I never can become a influenced artist.

Everyone is unique but most people just like one of unique style in fact.

[neon sigil]

🫡 one of the greatest things about art, is that with enough study, feedback, and practice you can make wonderful things like that.

You don't necessarily have to become an influencer, but the skills are achieveable. Thanks for sharing their work, I love it. I'm gonnna hunt for more.

[crisp onyx]

cant i compensate with pure number of bleed stacks?

[crisp onyx]

thats an idea

[eager ridge]

you can make it work, i believe in you, go make a physical runemaster that stacks strength and phys and play physical runebolt

[muted parrot]

You can try and see how it goes 🙂
Experimenting is fun

[fierce moth]

She's the best voxel artist for many people, which is why she can keep doing voxel art... Polish them better and better, then someone will pay.

No idea what feeling is it, I want to experience that once time too

Me: yeahhhhh I done a fantastic voxel artwork. Check it out!

Random people on ins and twitter: oh we doesn't know who are you. We just know Mari. When are you update the next voxel art, Mariiiiii?

[acoustic jungle]

When I saw it, I rolled my eyes. Another "dark" ARPG. God, how I wished they didn't fumble the bag so hard with Torchlight. All they had to do was not include dog P2W, and the game would've been fine. Loved Torchilight's aesthetic, the style, and the graphics as well. Even TL2 still stands up to today's standards. You're fighting an uphill battle if your game looks dated, because then, your gameplay has to be stellar for someone to overlook the really bad graphics - like Grim Dawn's. The best decision LE EVER, EVER made was to update all graphics and give the game a new look before release (and on release?).

[neon sigil]

Remember that selling art and making art are two separate skills.
And yeah, there'struth to doing it full time making a difference.

But there's so much you can do on your own. Don't give up!

[fierce moth]

yes, no time to explore how to sell my art if I focus on how to improve my art. My business cells aren't be developed at all

[junior oyster]

No their brand game is Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/s/R4BUN3lJEG
😭
It's the family vibe which I never can own FOREVER.

[junior oyster]

Alright @gilded elm you kinda convinced me to play gd. I got nothing else to play right now besides BAR but I need friends for that so... xD

[desert jasper]

Made it to the boss of 3rd zone in Heroes of Hammerwatch
Got wrecked hard

[fierce moth]

...It's quite hard to control myself do not lay on the bed for too much time.

when 20:34: I'm quite sleepy, let's take a short nap and get up on 21:05

when 21:50: ?! Damn I passed out on bed 1h again...

[twilit mountain]

Have you tried the second game at all?

[desert jasper]

Haven't bought the 2nd one
I did play the original hammerwatch

So technically heroes of hammerwatch is the 2nd game

[twilit mountain]

Mm, alright. I somehow haven't met someone who has played it yet and I wish to know opinions that aren't Steam reviews (because I just can't take them seriously) or YouTubers (because they have more incentive to talk about a game than "yeah I really enjoyed this for [reeasons]"

[desert jasper]

I mean
so far I like heroes of hammerwatch
I imagine the 2nd one can't be too bad

If it still stays kinda similar

[twilit mountain]

Probably! I'm just cautious with roguelite/like sequels, weird rep

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I get it

And it's a good idea to be cautious

Tbh I only bought it because it was under 3€

[twilit mountain]

RoR is an example for me; I loved RoR1 and I really like RoR2, but I can't help feeling like RoR2 wasn't quite right for the series, and then RoRR is literally everything I wanted it to be

[desert jasper]

I liked RoR2
but then they sold it to gearbox fully and they kinda managed to make it way worse in a few patches

Like dmg being based on fps
made beam attacks instantly kill the player

Didn't buy a single one of the dlcs

[twilit mountain]

The funny thing is that was a bug that existed with being burned during the first like week of the game's existence

Returns had a similar thing with overloading enemies, they were doing smth like 4500% more than intended for a bit

[desert jasper]

Also the RoR2 end boss stealing your items and then getting all the benefits from all of them.
like tougher times?
This wasn't a problem when you could get them back as he was stealing them
but then they patched so that you couldn't do it until all of them were stolen
and then you couldn't land a hit because it had multiple tougher times
They later did patch so that he doesn't get benefit from some items

[twilit mountain]

Yes-ish. You can still stop it by just dealing damage to him on the same frame as he starts doing it; so basically light him on fire.

[desert jasper]

Hmm i see
Tbh i haven't played it in a long time

[twilit mountain]

OoOoOOOOooOOoO you wanna play Risk of Rain Returns and get stomped because it's legitimately the hardest game of the three OoOoOoOOOoOOOOOoo

[desert jasper]

last I played it was in january

[twilit mountain]

What language is that? I don't recognize it

[desert jasper]

Finnish

I thought you already knew I'm from Finland

[twilit mountain]

I feel like my brain is buffering, I've spoken to like 12 people in the past week that are all in one of the "-lands" lmao

[desert jasper]

Heh
Yeah, plenty of them "lands"

[junior oyster]

I agree. It was the steam reviews that made me buy Hades and then when I played it for a few hours I realised just how much I hate it and that kind of game.

[maiden widget]

man holding onto these old csgo chests was a good thing

got a lot to still sell and already made 150€

thank you gamblers

[fierce moth]

how are you meet rocketman and become friend?

[twilit mountain]

I just ran into them here and we mostly DM to talk Forgeguard builds

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forgeguard is fun

[fierce moth]

You mean forgeguard which just use skills from paladin? 👀

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no animate weapon FG is one of my favourite builds in the game

will run it again with the minion ai changes 😄

[fierce moth]

No animate weapon? Never hear that

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woops mixing up poe terms, forged weapons*

mixed it with manifest armor as well

[twilit mountain]

No, I use FG skills and base Sentinel skills, the only thing I consistently use from Pally is Symbols because it's busted. Even when I make a Pally build I never use the only real skill Pally has (Judgement) because it feels like garbage to play. Holy Aura and Symbols don't count in my eyes, and Healing Hands is only ever used on melee builds for me as an auto-cast sustain tool and movement.

[desert jasper]

Frogeguard best guard

[twilit mountain]

Hell yeah

[fierce moth]

I want to complete the sketch today but I underestimate the workload and overestimate my pace 😅

Reference + Sketch.

[gilded elm]

Not a bad time to start. Plenty of fun to be had before LE S3

[fierce moth]

the fun will last 4 days only though lol

[gilded elm]

Plenty of time for a GD replay

[junior oyster]

It's subjective. I enjoy GD more than LE usually

[gilded elm]

Damn, BSG soundtrack goes hard with GD

[junior oyster]

Can't say I agree

Lol

I can't play my games without original music

[gilded elm]

Yeah the original music better suits the game for sure, just heard it a lot already. Same reason many (if not most?) ARPG players just put on their own playlist lol

[junior oyster]

This guy was more of a pain than any other boss so far

[gilded elm]

Which is that? Somewhere in act 2, looks like?

[junior oyster]

Yes in the mines where you collect dynamite

Pretty fast dude

[gilded elm]

One of Cronley's lackies?

[junior oyster]

Yea

[gilded elm]

Don't forget about the damn pit arena dudes on the way to Cronley's hideout lmao

Rekt's character gets me almost every time lmao

Which classes did you go for?

[junior oyster]

Purifier

[gilded elm]

Oh nice, ranged?

[junior oyster]

Ofc

Fire strike

[gilded elm]

Nice, I'm melee Fire Strike Shieldbreaker atm

Still not totally decided whether I want to stick with Fire Strike or switch to Righteous Fervour from Oathkeeper's tree

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i'll be honest the only games where i dont turn off music are the fatshark games so vermintide and darktide

[gilded elm]

Not surprised tbh. I'm not a big Warhammer Fantasy/Sigmar fan, but I am a massive 40k fan and Darktide has some bangers.

I don't even play Darktide, but I listen to the soundtrack somewhat regularly, along with a lot of other 40k music.

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yeah mechanicus also has an amazing ost

[junior oyster]

Gotta love when I can't find a decent upgrade any more xD

[gilded elm]

Goated, yep. Children of the Omnissiah is so good it could be a 40k anthem lol

[junior oyster]

Bastion for me

Every bit of music is a banger

[gilded elm]

https://youtu.be/f35rFulcemk You can hear Children of the Omnissiah in this Legio Symphonica track, they had permission to use it and it turned out great. Also highly recommend checking out Legio Symphonica in general if you're a fan of 40k stuff. GW contracts them to make 40k songs from time to time, they did the stuff for the Iron Within animation.

https://youtu.be/9zHhsEXjqkM Iron Without - fits with the Iron Warriors sooo well

[gilded elm]

Also still using Incendiary Casque, though I'm sure there's something better for me, just not sure what lol

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nice didnt know about legio symphonica yet, time to dig in a bit

[gilded elm]

My personal favorite is Ave Dominus Nox, but I'm also a Night Lords fan so yeah lol

I meme on Konrad Curze all the time, but his story is tragic IMO (EmoDaddyKonradCurze being one of my most common PoE character names lol)

The Soul Hunter (Night Lords) trilogy is also my favorite 40k literature, and is narrated with perfection by Andrew Wincott in the audiobooks. Andrew Wincott voiced Raphael in Baldur's Gate 3.

[junior oyster]

First time I discovered the secret here

[gilded elm]

Right? Seems like there's always something new you missed in previous runs lol

[junior oyster]

Game is giving me all the fire upgrades lol

Except guns

[gilded elm]

Semi-related thing you might know... I'm not a GD expert and I also don't read any build guides. Do you typically scale 2 damage types, or do you try to convert everything into a single type?

[junior oyster]

I'm same as you lol

But I usually go for one kind of attack/element

Going for multiple can be kinda difficult I think...?

[gilded elm]

Yeah that's my thought as well. But it seems like almost everything (or a lot of skills) do at least 2 different damage types so it got me thinking whether people at least scale 2 main types or try to convert the secondary type into their primary type

I also only recently learned that converting from one type to another also converts the DoT damage type when possible. For example converting physical to fire will convert internal trauma to burn.

[junior oyster]

Yea

Aand then I just facetank cronley like he is a joke

[gilded elm]

yeah Cronley has minions way stronger than him lul

[junior oyster]

Getting to brimstone is slooow

[gilded elm]

Did you use merits at all for skill points?

[junior oyster]

Think I'm gunna remove some points from fire strike and flame touched

[junior oyster]

Yep

Ult unlocked

[gilded elm]

Ah, still not enough then

[junior oyster]

Then again if I do remove said points I can't max brimstone anyway

[gilded elm]

I didn't get Brimstone... I assume it's not worth it unless ranged

[junior oyster]

Only to increase fire/chaos damage if melee

[gilded elm]

Is the damage per fragment?

Or divided across fragments

[junior oyster]

Not sure how it works but it does buff the overall skill itself

[gilded elm]

Hm, I have to test this. I have DPYes so when I get a chance I can do a DPS test

[junior oyster]

Ok frags have their own damage

Still worth taking for trash mobs

I also need lots of points for aura of censure xD

[gilded elm]

Yeah was thinking it could be good for trash mobs, but then Explosive Strike is also good if I put points into it for that purpose I would assume

[junior oyster]

Yea that does have aoe so

[gilded elm]

Ah, but Brimstone is more raw fire, so I would probably get more fire damage out of it than Explosive Strike because my conversion is still weak

[junior oyster]

Depends I guess whether you wanna do hit damage or dot

Not sure if directly increasing fire damage also increases burn damage

[gilded elm]

It doesn't seem to. My DoT scaling is weak af right now

[junior oyster]

Yea so it'd be absolutely useless to add brimstone if you plan on dot

[gilded elm]

Since my Burn modifier sucks, I could probably benefit a lot from Brimstone

More so than Explosive Strike

Question is... where tf do I take points from lol

I need gear so I can cap my Fire Strike and reclaim some points

[junior oyster]

What's your skill setup right now?

Grimtools/screenshots