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[pine basalt]

SSF HC best mode, because it push to "balance" things

[sweet blade]

HC PoE2?

I can't imagine the masochism trying to play that.

[pine basalt]

some billionar did it easy with only a lvl 62 staff

[sweet blade]

So happy for them.

I wouldn't play HC LE... no way I'm trying something.

I MIGHT try one PoE1 league just to get the achievements, but the anxiety is very debilitating.

[pine basalt]

it was a joke about someone buying illegaly an account, but it's doable ?

Yep HC is totally another game, playing slow, getting "a lot" a stress and adrenalin

[sweet blade]

I'm sure it's doable. I wouldn't find it enjoyable.

BTW, Jousis just started Streaming, if anyone cares. 🙂

[ebon meadow]

Gauntlet is the thing it's dumb but feels great

[pine basalt]

the loss on a dumb mistake / bug is the worst, i understand people not playing hc (too many downside for real)

[pine basalt]

is it a ruthless mod ?

[ebon meadow]

Nah ,it's event made by Zizaran

Privet league HC with mods on top

[sweet blade]

Oh?

Oh god no.

[ebon meadow]

I spent 4 hours farming oak area in one for over leveling

I died trice on Arakali

I died multiple times in first map to open

Very fun

But still on u after 6 k hours u have to try

I think I have a level 90 or two from guanlets lol

Can't even check untill next week

[pine basalt]

got 1 lvl 95 ssf hc toxic rain balista - after 2 berzerk died lvl 89 (achiev is lvl 90...)

[pine basalt]

that's impressiv

[gilded elm]

When an idle game that plays itself is more fun than Dawn of the Hunt lmao

[pine basalt]

name ?

[gilded elm]

Nomad Idle, just released I think. Something like $5 lol

[teal flame]

Okay but some recent super simple but well executed indie games have been absolutely killer.

[pine basalt]

thanks ^^

my list of 100% achiev game (only indies + exeptions)

[gilded elm]

That's dedication, way more than me

[sweet blade]

I think I've only 100% one game, and that was Shape Shifter: FOrmations

[gilded elm]

100% PoE? Sheesh, that's nice haha

[pine basalt]

"" all ears achiev "" was the worst thing enjoyable

LOl i just notice :: 970h then 2.5h xD

[gilded elm]

Yeah basically the only game I cared enough to even try to 100% was BG3 haha

[pine basalt]

BG3 deserve it !

all my most played are "dead" because i won't play it again (maybe DD1 ah...)

[gilded elm]

Super good game, really had a profound impact on my gaming experience and expectations.

[pine basalt]

Need to push Last Epoch to the top !

[sweet blade]

I just... can't get past my alt-itis in BG3 to actually get anywhere.

[gilded elm]

Once I finished my first playthrough, I started looking into mods and trying wildly different things than I normally would. Not sure what it was about that game that really captivated me.

[pine basalt]

is it too hard ? i stopped Divinity Original sin 2 i was too bad ><"

[gilded elm]

I would say just push through and finish your first run at least. I know a lot of people get stuck making new runs and that's fine too of course, but you should at least experience the whole thing once for yourself.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, it's just... it's a bit of a slog, it feels.

[sweet blade]

Not on the difficulty I'm playing on! 😉

I've been playing D&D for longer than most of you have likely been alive.

[pine basalt]

Sloggish part can stop you so hard

[gilded elm]

I used to be a "oh but I must play on the intended or harder difficulty for my first run" kind of guy but I've since changed. Just lower the difficulty if that makes the game more fun for you.

[pine basalt]

oh ! so i don't doubt about your skill, was the opposite for me "wtf i am suppose to do?"

[sweet blade]

I honestly don't look for challenges much in my games anymore. Life does that to you.

[gilded elm]

And you can always ease yourself into challenges later on. It doesn't have to be the first thing you do.

[sweet blade]

For me... it's just all the running around in the grove area, just so 'daunting' to get to the next interesting part... Yeah, Act I n00b here.

[gilded elm]

tbh just do crazy things then, like murdering the whole grove

[sweet blade]

Nah, don't like acting like that.

[gilded elm]

Yeah I get it. Your first playthrough is the way you want to play it, the way you want to roleplay.

That was me too. I didn't really play out of character until subsequent playthroughs just to experience the story from another perspective.

[sweet blade]

Yeah...

[gilded elm]

Larian also actually recommend you don't do an evil run as your first BG3 run too lol

It can make the game less enjoyable when you aren't familiar with the whole story.

Depending on how you play... you might end up very, very lonely 😛

[sweet blade]

I'm sure I'll get to a Dark Urge run eventually.

[candid sage]

loop hero shout out

[twilit mountain]

I have very few 100% things on PC. I'm beyond lazy with achievements.

[pine basalt]

i continued to play the game to unlock this too :

(secret boss and secret+++ boss)

[sweet blade]

What kind of game is it?

[pine basalt]

it's a peculiar roguelike ? with absolute gorgeous music

look slike this :

[sweet blade]

Interesting; I'll take a look.

[pine basalt]

there is a "road", you add title to modifie the road, your character has class/stuff, autobattler

yeah check some gameplay, or test it under 2h steam refound, very cheap on sold

There is not a lot of replayability (3 class -- not so many build types)

[gilded elm]

Definitely worth on sale, good game

[pine basalt]

Can be "hard" at the beginning, time to figure out "what is happening" and "what stuff is good", then you really enjoy the game

sure 4$ is a bit criminal ;o

[candid sage]

Its worth a good bit more than that tbh

Such a fun game if you like roguelikes

[sweet blade]

I can't imagine that it's harder than PoE. 😉

I also play games like Dominions, Conquest of Elysium, and the like, which have a pretty steep learning curve.

[pine basalt]

Nah it's just "is leech or attack speed better on that sword ?"

[gilded elm]

I'm trying to learn Dominions 6 myself, it's the first entry in the series I've tried.

[sweet blade]

I've played since Dominions 2. Have any questions? 🙂

(I wouldn't say I'm all that good, but I listen to good players!) 😉

[pine basalt]

there is in game meta progression (wont spoil too much)

i go check what "dominion is" 😉

[gilded elm]

I'll keep you in mind whenever I get back to giving it another proper go. I jump between games a lot depending on mood hehe

[sweet blade]

I understand that. 🙂

[pine basalt]

dominion : i found a board game, jurasic park videos, weird tiktok then this :

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's "Dominions" plural

Not to be confused with "Dominion" singular

That screenshot looks like Dominions autobattle though.

[gilded elm]

The latest entry in the series is Dominions 6, I think

[pine basalt]

Seems to hard for me ><"

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's a 4X if you're familiar with the genre

Most of them can get pretty complex

Ever played Stellaris? Similar genre, also a 4X

[pine basalt]

working on tthis one 100%....

[gilded elm]

Civ 5 is great, love that one too

[pine basalt]

yeah i bought it after "hating" the 6

Paradoxe style, game won't be complete without dlc, was full Civ 5 sold so i took and loved it

conquest of elysium is 4 x too ?

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Paradox's DLC model. Even Civ 5, I would say wait until there's a sale before buying any DLC becuase they go dirt cheap because the game is old.

[sweet blade]

CoE4 (5 is the latest, I thought?) is closer to a 4x. Dominions is more like grand strategy.

[gilded elm]

I liked the idea of making your own god and designing your own people's characteristics/traits in Dominions. I think that's what sold me the most.

[pine basalt]

i like to start that kind of game, but it take time i lost myself / make mistakes and die

i tried total war warhammer 1 (no dlc), i tried and tried but no

[pine basalt]

Seems interesting !

[gilded elm]

And in general, screw Creative Assembly too. Only reason I won't buy Total War Warhammer franchise

[sweet blade]

Dominions 6 is soooooooo deep. And unlike some games, a lot of the choices are real.

Also, one of the two developers of Dominions is a professor of comparative theology, and you can tell.

[pine basalt]

give me the Cave of Qud vibe :: Best massive games, to afraid to start it

[gilded elm]

Caves of Qud is fun but you really gotta lean into the roleplay. In many ways you have to create your own fun.

[sweet blade]

I try not to be judgmental when it comes to graphics, but Caves of Qud is a bit too dated in that department for me.

[pine basalt]

oh ! i bought a game : never played, achievement scared me :

[sweet blade]

I think Path of Achra is a better parallel.

sp?

[gilded elm]

I love Path of Achra lol

[sweet blade]

It took me playing Vampire Survivors to learn that I love meta-progression systems. Weird. (I actually played Hades first and somehow bounced off.)

[gilded elm]

Yeah VS definitely sold me on roguelites.

I prefer having meta-progression in general now.

[pine basalt]

if it's done well it's ok, but hated it on "long run" games

[sweet blade]

I realized that ARPGs sort of have meta-progression in the sense of (at least) gear saved between characters. It's about the only way I could play something HC.

[pine basalt]

Darkest Dungeon sold me and roguelike ;o

[pine basalt]

true !

[gilded elm]

Traditional Roguelikes are fun but I just can't lean into them as much as I do games that do have meta-progression between runs.

[sweet blade]

And that's ignoring things like, oh, CoF on alts in LE.

[pine basalt]

Path of Archa is really "nice", better graphism than Qud i admit

[gilded elm]

Path of Achra is literally turn-based PoE

It's so good

[sweet blade]

Yeah... reminds me of Temple of Apshai... or was it Gateway?

(Yes, I'm old.)

[pine basalt]

i love turn base
i like old poe
is it ssf hc friendly ?

[gilded elm]

Path of Achra is single player and each character only lives once so you could say it's only SSF HC? 🙂

The runs are not that long

The fun is finding and making broken builds

[pine basalt]

nice !

[sweet blade]

Watch Sseth's video on it. Of course, he makes EVERYTHING sound fun, but it's still good.

[pine basalt]

SSF friendly mean "should i have to farm 450 h to found that T7 +flat melee on an axe ?"

HC friendly mean : did random frog bug can one shot me ?

[gilded elm]

In that case, the least SSF friendly aspect of Path of Achra I think is that you might not always get the items you want in your run.

Every other aspect of the game is totally great IMO

[pine basalt]

yeah it's not a problem, if the game is like "solve the run with what you found"

[gilded elm]

Yeah exactly, make a broken build with what you get

[pine basalt]

best roguelike i would recommand :

[gilded elm]

You do choose what race, class and religion your character starts with. These affect how you will end up building.

[pine basalt]

it's exactly "try with what you found"

it's not on steam :v

[gilded elm]

Which?

[pine basalt]

Path archa

[gilded elm]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2128270/Path_of_Achra/

The developer's also apparently working on a 4X based on Achra lore, got my eyes on this game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3211220/Lands_of_Achra/

[pine basalt]

it was on ignore list :x now it's on wishlist 🙂

thanks ^^

[gilded elm]

Sseth video btw https://youtu.be/isDvLHb83B8

[pine basalt]

litteraly the first result when i search ; )

i checked some poe 2 videos, i laugh a lot

first comment :

[sweet blade]

I was so happy to see that Sseth had reviewed Wizardry 8. I played the HELL out of that game, and still own it.

[pine basalt]

Should i like it ? seems fun, worst deamon on picture, Love Tzeentch

[gilded elm]

Kotick might be more evil than Tzeentch

lol

[pine basalt]

true that's why iam asking if i like him or not, let's flood so i don't see his face

any

more

[sweet blade]

Oh.

Is that

when you type

only a few words

[pine basalt]

will i know if the game is good after a review ?

[sweet blade]

per line?

[pine basalt]

yep

boby

goes

up

[gilded elm]

mods asleep

post cat pics

[sweet blade]

For mental

health!

[pine basalt]

"i would never hurt an anim... God it seems yummy"

[sweet blade]

Okay, I had to blink a few times to get that picture, sorry. 🙂

[gilded elm]

that's one hairy oreo

Sseth's video also basically serves as a tutorial for the game, he does a great job explaining what's happening and how to do stuff.

[sweet blade]

Oh, and his CK2 video is epic...!

[pine basalt]

So your favorite Final Fantasy ?

[gilded elm]

8, 9 or 10. Not sure I can decide

[sweet blade]

Tactics. Then probably 10. 3 and 5 both have a soft spot in my heart.

[gilded elm]

True, Tactics was quite a unique experience for sure.

Tons of jobs in a turn-based tactical setting, if I remember.

Ahead of its time really

[sweet blade]

Yes. Though... it was sort of a FF reskin of another game. Not Tactics Ogre.... Bravely Default or something?

It was groundbreaking for FF. Not for Tactical RPGs. I'd say it laid the groundwork for Disgaea, though.

[pine basalt]

FF9 for me (rly liked 10-12-14)
Can't find anything like this, bought Fell Seal but didn't start

i REALLY want to try ogre battle

[gilded elm]

I'm glad we all seem to agree that FF7 is overrated lol

[sweet blade]

I also liked 9. (Vivi FTW!)

[sweet blade]

Today, probably. At the time? ... wouldn't go that far.

My sister's favorite FF is 7. My twin's is 6. My other brother's is probably 7 too.

[pine basalt]

finished it, didn't enjoy the run, mini games were awfull, loved Red 13

[gilded elm]

At the time it was still "good" at best IMO, but I also played through Legend of Dragoon around that time. Both games released in a similar period, Legend of Dragoon might even released first but not sure.

IMO Legend of Dragoon is way, way better than FF7 and underrated

[sweet blade]

Yeah, I didn't like Legend of Dragoon.

[pine basalt]

I think we lost most of FF essence in translation, Legend Of Dragoon so dope !

the combat => pressing attack with good timing was so original / unique

[sweet blade]

And therefore I hated it. :p

[gilded elm]

I liked that part about FF8's combat too, but I was also much younger lol

I played most of these games when they released, so yeah I'm kinda old too 😛

[pine basalt]

specially with "long" combo, can't do them so it keep the first attack ><"

[sweet blade]

I played them when they released... as an adult. 😉

[gilded elm]

Nice lol. I got a PSX as a Christmas gift some time in the 90s, I forget what year

I was a middle schooler back then if I remember

[pine basalt]

this is a a blessing ! can try so many Gems that i missed (basically all Nintendo)

'emulator)

[sweet blade]

Yeah... My best friend in college has a SNES (I personally hadn't had a console in a decade) and had FF6 (called 3). First experience with FF.

[pine basalt]

So you had "Hercules" and Tekken 1 ?

[gilded elm]

Don't think so. I lived in South Korea at the time, at the height the of PlayStation modding there. I had a mod chipped PSX and could only afford to play copied games lol. Only games that really stick out in my memory from that time are FF, Legend of Dragoon, Musashi, Crash Bandicoot lol

[pine basalt]

i really liked ff6 even with obscure control (blitz)

[sweet blade]

I was tutoring a Japanese teenager at one point and was able to use his PS2 to play FFX in Japanese. ... Tidus sounds so different.

[sand wigeon]

Harping back on an older conversation, here are all of my 100% games on PC. At least the ones that I care enough about the 100%, given there are games like CS:GO2 that just give you 100% for playing.

[gilded elm]

Yeah different tastes. Reminded by how our preferences differ between countries whenever I hear Dragon Ball grown up Goku's voice in Japanese vs English lol

[pine basalt]

Ma-men ! Celeste and Sekiro 100% ! that' a GG ;o

[sand wigeon]

I've technically done more than 100% on both of them, since I've done some GB's and fully completed Sekiro's boss rush.

[pine basalt]

funny to see Lunacid ; )

[sand wigeon]

It's a good game, one of my favorites.

[gilded elm]

Oh boy, this will be an interesting video to watch lmao.

[pine basalt]

saw a friend playing it, really liked the vide "eerie" "mystic" "dark ?"

[sand wigeon]

I'd say those are good descriptors.

[pine basalt]

and that ""last fight that we won't spoil", such Art !

[sand wigeon]

Aye. Western release King's Field 3 is one of my favorites, so.

I'd love to see the genre make a resurgence.

[pine basalt]

i was saying last day "never say Ziz angry", now i have done xD

[sweet blade]

Ziz is probably the single most influential PoE streamer.

[gilded elm]

Ziz on streamers' reasoning on quitting PoE2 league early:
"Wow this is so bad I would rather make less money just to play something else"

That's just scathing.

[sweet blade]

Oh. My. Goodness.

[pine basalt]

i laugh at poe 2 reactions, then i saw they made Steelmage crying, get me angry ^^

[gilded elm]

GGG is in some shit lmao

[sweet blade]

... I simply cannot fathom Ziz being this angry.

[pine basalt]

Can't they just play warrior ? or the build people already in maps are playing ?

[gilded elm]

Ziz on his own personal experience with the league:
"For what it's worth, I've had a pretty miserable launch myself."

[pine basalt]

like me every poe league so i stopped

[gilded elm]

To be clear, Ziz is speaking very level-headed and isn't raging or anything. He's clearly talking to GGG in this video.

[sweet blade]

You don't need to rage to be angry.

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah, he's definitely upset.

[sweet blade]

I also find it generally more effective, even though I have a very hard time holding my temper.

[pine basalt]

he has no choice, the game can be so good, but now it seems direct mockery / insult to players (specially if pro like Ziz can't have fun)

[sweet blade]

I hope the 'git gud' crowd goes after him. 🙂

[narrow token]

I don't like those people.

[gilded elm]

When you got people like Ziz saying these things, you really can't say players need to just "get gud" and "deal with it"

[pine basalt]

true ! git gut all poe 2 players :p u wanted it you got it !

[twilit mountain]

I mean, even Ben is saying it's miserable and he's probably the literal best player the game has

[pine basalt]

isn't Ben already in T17 ? (i dont know poe2 endgame)

[gilded elm]

True, though Ben had scathing things to say about PoE2 even before Dawn of the Hunt, he became sort of a posterboy antagonist when he made that scathing review on stream before.

But the state of the game now I feel vindicates Ben

[sweet blade]

Agreed, but I guarantee you that they'll find some other way to cope.

[twilit mountain]

Ben absolutely does have some meh takes in PoE2, like his take on pausing kinda sucks, but I ain't gonna cherrypick to invalidate his overall opinion

[gilded elm]

Yeah he has totally (IMO) valid criticisms.

[pine basalt]

Yep we all have preferences, pausing is cool for Dads / need a sudden breack

[gilded elm]

Ziz: "I would give the patch a 4 or 5 out of 10"

There we have it

[pine basalt]

instant leaving is another matter (for HC)

[pine basalt]

not bad ! a 5 is a pass !

[sweet blade]

People need to learn how to give ratings.

[pine basalt]

"i rated 0.2 out 10 xD"

[gilded elm]

I think he's just being generous. A 4 or 5 is still nothing to write home about, definitely an L for GGG and PoE2

[twilit mountain]

5 out of 10 is middling but acceptable so I def think it should be lower

[gilded elm]

It's basically like saying D4 is better than PoE2 right now.

[sweet blade]

Yes, and that's the issue. I can't see him saying the things he says and then giving it a 4 or 5.

[lapis spruce]

I'm just here to check if LE team decided to push up their release date.

[gilded elm]

I don't expect brutal honesty from anyone who's livelihood depends on what they are criticizing, to be fair.

[sweet blade]

I expect brutal honesty from everyone.

[tawny sand]

poe2 bad, d4 login

[twilit mountain]

I mean, D4 isn't bad regardless, so I don't think "D4 is better than PoE2" is that low a bar.

[pine basalt]

YES they did, because Trochlite Infinit is releasing a update the 17th

[lapis spruce]

Dawn of the Hunt is probably the worst received ARPG release of all time.

[pine basalt]

So now it's 17th May 🙂

[twilit mountain]

Kiwi please don't troll

[lapis spruce]

I don't recall there being a worst received update ever than dawn

[ivory swift]

Kalandra

[pine basalt]

HOW is it possible ???

[sweet blade]

Expedition was close. Heist was close. And yeah, Kalandra.

[lapis spruce]

I honestly think Kalandra was better received

[ivory swift]

off the top of my head, kalandra was so much worse

[pine basalt]

Archnemesis?

[lapis spruce]

Also better received

[sweet blade]

Depends on initial reactions vs. how it plays out over the next week.

[gilded elm]

All in all, I liked the Ziz video. Maybe he wasn't completely honest about reflecting his views in his rating, but I think it still sends a strong message to GGG when this comes from a person like Ziz.

Question is... do I want to watch the Tri video lmao

[lapis spruce]

I've never seen an almost unanimously decided dislike for a patch.

[ivory swift]

archnemesis was ok, it was when they added it to core in a half ass way in kalandra it was hellish

[sweet blade]

The AN League was actually not bad. It's the patch after that was screwed.

[twilit mountain]

Kalandra was bad but it wasn't "literally they're biggest players are dreading it"

[lapis spruce]

There's always been mixed takes, bootlickers, toxic optimists

This is almost >99% bad reception

[twilit mountain]

I smashed like four sentences together oml

[sweet blade]

Is there some way I can pay you so I know what it's like without having to watch it myself? 😉

[twilit mountain]

Ignore me, I can't think apparently

[ivory swift]

Ya'll have short memories, Kalandra was worse by far

[gilded elm]

Listen, how about I pay you double instead, and YOU can watch it 😛

[lapis spruce]

Didn't play Kalandra league. I'm pretty sure people still played it, though.

[sweet blade]

Uh-oh, we're caught in a Positive Feedback loop.

[ivory swift]

No, the major streamers mostly didn't, it was that bad

[sweet blade]

Not for me, at least. There's also a difference between 'a bad league' for PoE1 and 'the first major update for PoE2 being really bad'.

[lapis spruce]

tri's video?

[gilded elm]

At this point, I don't think streamers are even going to keep playing PoE2 until LE season. They might just dip out early lmao

[sweet blade]

ROFLMAO Sorry, I was actually referring how Byte and I were doubling each other's bids, and didn't even think of the irony of Tri.

[sweet blade]

Even if they bite the bullet, it's now much more likely that they'll jump to LE onthe 17th.

[pine basalt]

i don't know the man but i was been told it'll be funny, gonna check now

[lapis spruce]

I watched one Tri video and was shocked people take him seriously

[gilded elm]

In hindsight, EHG might not have even needed to delay. But nonetheless, delaying did buy them good will and made GGG look bad at the same time. Win-win for LE.

[lapis spruce]

the anticipation is higher now

admittedly

[sweet blade]

He can be insightful, but that blindingly positive attitude is a bit wearing on me.

[lapis spruce]

this

[ivory swift]

Also a difference to be fair from a big launch on a live game, and a bad patch from an early access game.

[sweet blade]

IOW, he's good at analyzing good things. Not so good at analyzing bad things.

[lapis spruce]

Toxic optimists can FO

[gilded elm]

That's the big thing, whether LE can satisfy that anticipation. I think they can, considering how low Dawn of the Hunt has set the bar.

[lapis spruce]

They will.

[sweet blade]

Enh, GGG is treating it like a live game (or at least one of their live games)... not accepting the 'EA' excuse.

[lapis spruce]

LE wouldn't nuke their own game for "vision"

[tawny sand]

idk, could be like 1.0 launch where servers didn't work for a week

[lapis spruce]

Each incremental change LE has added has been good for the game.

And it's still, in my view, the best leveling experience of any ARPG

[grizzled lily]

If le servers hold up they'll eat good

[ivory swift]

GGG said that in relation to balancing skills that they need to treat it like it's live. It's still in early access regardless and will have massive changes before 1.0

[pine basalt]

really ? Covenant of Dominion ??? ><" ok the exeption to confirm the rule ! pass

[lapis spruce]

Whatever man, GGG will say whatever

[gilded elm]

It was only a couple days of shaky login server issues wasn't it? But yeah, I hope they work out all of the infrastructure/architectural bottlenecks to handle the guaranteed surge of players that will be wanting to play.

[sweet blade]

Well, when a core part of their Vision is listening to the players, it'd be difficult. 😉

[ivory swift]

context matters, the loss of nuance is never a good thing

[sweet blade]

And they're wrong. Full stop. They want to treat the game like a live service game when it suits them, and an EA to a game when it suits them. They can't do both.

[tawny sand]

i remember it being at least 5 days of people not connecting and discord being on fire, but i could be wrong yeah

[lapis spruce]

They shouldn't treat it like a live full service game. It's obviously not.

[ivory swift]

Well clearly they can

[pine basalt]

Doesn't POE 1 leagues handle strat well ? not the case for POE 2 ?

[sweet blade]

Not with me, they can't. If other people want to be idiots, I obviously can't control them.

[lapis spruce]

POE1 leagues prior to settlers were consistent and interesting

Changes occured each league to a strong enough degree to encourage some build diversity

[gilded elm]

Ultimately, consumers have no more responsibility than to simply stop playing the game if they want to convey their dissatisfaction. It's up to GGG to figure out why and react accordingly. GGG isn't entitled to leeway just because they're in early access. If consumers by and large say the game feels bad to play, that's how it is and it's not the consumer's job to articulate their experience to GGG. In fact, GGG should consider themselves so fortunate to have a playerbase that is so passionate about their franchise.

[lapis spruce]

It is our job as early access players to tell the developer when they hit or miss.

[pine basalt]

Cyclone HH for 3 years, RF for 3 years, Tornado Shot 3 years....

[ivory swift]

I respect your choice, Don't think it's fair to call people idiots just because they still like the game, if it's not your cup of tea then by all means don't play. The point is to enjoy the game, if you aren't then stop.

[lapis spruce]

The word "Some" was doing a lot of heavy lifting in my statement

[sweet blade]

I'm not calling people idiots because they like PoE2. I call people idiots when they allow GGG to get away with a blatant double standard.

[pine basalt]

i just regret the old time (breach) when putting 5 gem in 5L was enought to have fun ><'"" they took it from me

[lapis spruce]

The thing with Huntress gameplay as that I can see and feel shreds of the vision in it. The problem is the execution doesn't match the effort.

[ivory swift]

I still don't think it's a double standard. They said they can't treat the game like EA in terms of how they balance skills. Not anything else

[lapis spruce]

I developed a pretty sick bow/spear combo that I feel like the payoff should be 2-3x as powerful as it is

[sweet blade]

It certainly is. Because they want the leeway to avoid accusations of bad balance in an EA game while maintaining a balancing schedule of a live service game. That's duplicitous as hell.

[lapis spruce]

Part of the problem too is that the game demands too many passive skills invested for how few we receive

We can't path into damage, and survivability, and thresholds for ailments, and stuns, and parry

oh and also crowd control like slows

and also resistances

oh yeah, and many notables have DOWNSIDES

WTF.

[gilded elm]

Mind, this is predicated on said people being consciously aware of it.

[sweet blade]

Okay, I will accept willfully ignorant instead of idiots. 🙂 My issue is I point this issue out and people just say I'm wrong. At that point, they're no longer ignorant.

[gilded elm]

I imagine a lot of players just want to play a good game and don't involve themselves in any of the game development happenings. So when they end up "defending" GGG for this wreck of a league, they might not be doing so in the context of any past knowledge or understanding.

[sweet blade]

The one change in the patch notes that made me realize 0.2 would be bad was the halving of ailment threshold and I think stun threshold.

[pine basalt]

i'll call them IDIOTS for you ! if you own POE 2 you bunch of idiots go play it now and git gut !

[sweet blade]

I mean, I 'own' PoE2. I just don't play it. 😉

[gilded elm]

Yeah, willfully ignorant is certainly better.

Or, more accurate.

[lapis spruce]

There's always people who defend positions, bad or otherwise

[pine basalt]

idydy ! go play it xD

[lapis spruce]

Some people cannot differentiate between criticism and haters

[gilded elm]

Certainly, very true. Such people often end up also driving away legitimate fans who criticize only because they want to improve the game.

[pine basalt]

true ! and criticism is not always valid for everyone : example : i want faster exp in LE, but i admit most poeple don't want it

[lapis spruce]

Absolutely. I love path of exile, and I'm extremely vocally critical of aspects of the game

[pine basalt]

The more you Love, the more you want it to be good....

[sweet blade]

Yep. The opposite of love is not hate. It is apathy.

[gilded elm]

Who actually wants to be tribal and "stand by" their favorite ARPG? That's super dumb and I'm sorry but anyone who thinks like this is IMO kinda dumb lol. I wish PoE2 was a great game, just as much as I wish LE was also a great game. Who doesn't want more choices?

[lapis spruce]

I've always viewed that truly standing by someone or something is willing to risk your neck to speak the truth

[sweet blade]

The people who meld their identity with the game to the extent that any criticism of the game is seen as a personal attack.

[lapis spruce]

I've been critical of Last Epoch in places as well

[gilded elm]

I imagine such people cannot handle personal criticism as well lol

[sweet blade]

I knew there was a reason that otters are my favorite animal. 🙂

[sweet blade]

Most likely, yes.

[lapis spruce]

the gf and I are pumped for LE's new patch

We had a lot of fun last patch

[gilded elm]

People have a really hard time separating intent from criticism. They always assume it's malicious.

[sweet blade]

It comes from a weak center, IMO.

[pine basalt]

So why can't we have fun build in LE ? where is my warlock turbo ghostflame ?

[sweet blade]

I've ALWAYS wanted to play Ghostflame total RF style. Never could figure out how to get the mana to sustain it.

[pine basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMPP5Ui7L0A

You finish the echo before getting into negativ mana xD

[gilded elm]

lol nice, RF build in LE

[pine basalt]

wasn't there a Paladin RF ? that dispear under nerf hammer ?

[gilded elm]

Not sure, my experience with LE's classes/masteries is a bit lacking. I haven't played everything yet myself.

[pine basalt]

still exist, jugement i think

[sweet blade]

Consecrate can get an RF version, I believe, but I think it's like current Devouring Orb in that it's not truly 100% uptime.

Oh, right, it's called Judgment, sorry.

WoW terminology throwing me off.

[pine basalt]

true, mixing 3-4 different game termino 😉

[sweet blade]

It's so annoying, sometimes.

[gilded elm]

This "RF" Lich looks dope though lol

[pine basalt]

Fractured ? you mean Sealed !

[gilded elm]

Sealed technically better than Fractured! :p

[pine basalt]

doesn't work anymore :/

[gilded elm]

EHG why D:

[pine basalt]

hard to seal high tier, true for experimental

[sweet blade]

Oh, well, yeah, the Poison Aura is clearly RF... but yeah, the damage just isn't there... well, without killing yourself.

I tried using Profane to clear the Poisons and it was just too clunky for me.

[pine basalt]

i saw the "poison aura" Oh so strong !!! People dying from it "scared in hc"

[gilded elm]

Am I misremembering or is next LE season adding Mastery repick?

[sweet blade]

Tis.

[gilded elm]

Hilarious

PoE2 takes a backwards step from PoE1 and removes ascendency repick, LE adds it

[sweet blade]

We let you change a decision GGG doesn't let you make! ;)\

(Referencing Smith of Kitava bug.)

[gilded elm]

Ascendency repick would actually have been good to have for the whole Smith of Kitava debacle lol

[pine basalt]

i don't like it and will never use it ! But it's a great change for people without a lot a gaming time and casuals

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I see it as "doesn't affect me" and therefore more power to everyone who want to use it.

[sweet blade]

Yep.

[pine basalt]

can't say the same for loot / CoF fix / nerf affecting me in hc because "1 guy farmed 1k hour to make it go 4k corru"

or "you know Falconer delete the boss in 0.002 sec, let's had for HP" ;'(

But iam optimist about LE next patch, let's do a poe2 0.2 reveal ^^

imagine the 11th Mike be like "so we nerf Vengeance... and skeleton archer..."

[gilded elm]

Would've been great if they did an April Fools stream, too late now lmao

[sweet blade]

If they nerf Vengeance, that's going to be WILD.

[gilded elm]

Another mega PoE2 fan, btw

[sweet blade]

Oh yeah, saw that one almost right after it posted.

[pine basalt]

"locust swarm and bees nerf..."

[gilded elm]

"All Reviews" now averaged and it hit "Mostly Positive" oh man. "Mixed" is 40%-69% so that means it dropped a lot in just the past few hours. We might even see this dip as low as "Mostly Negative" if it reaches 39%.

[pine basalt]

i'll post "Extremly positive" : "git gut naabs

[sweet blade]

Hmm, should I contribute..?

[gilded elm]

If you feel strongly about it, might as well. Can always change it later on.

[pine basalt]

Sure ! put edit on top "Change to negative because...."list reason" will change if game change

i only play LE, but i don't recommend it :x (not yet)

[sweet blade]

I very rarely give any review.

[gilded elm]

LE has to cook a little more, but it's getting close for sure. IMO the 1.0 launch was premature, but no sense worrying about the past. LE has made significant improvements since then.

[sweet blade]

For anything.

[pine basalt]

if you rly liked a game, just thumb up "was fun", maybe it helps creator/visibility

[sweet blade]

I guess.

[gilded elm]

Devs generally have enough metrics to determine how their game was received even without direct feedback, but yeah if I like a dev or I see that's an active indie dev who interacts with the community, I'm more likely to give direct feedback.

[sweet blade]

My concern is not with devs having metrics. It's with being able to properly interpret them. 😉

[pine basalt]

not to hard to interpret poe 2 "mixed review" :p

[gilded elm]

Yeah, though nothing is more clear than people who buy your game and then immediately stop playing after launch or an update haha.

[pine basalt]

it's just bunch of jealous LE player who want to sink POE 2 xD

[gilded elm]

True, review bombing. Shameful, shameful LE players.

[sweet blade]

Much harder than you might think.

And wow something went from 0 - 100 in General really quick.

[gilded elm]

Reddit: "I feel like a white mob in PoE2 right now"

Good god that made me laugh

[sweet blade]

Overpowered and killing the opposition?

[gilded elm]

Hah

White mob in PoE2 would one shot Diablo in D2 Hell difficulty.

[sweet blade]

'GGG, when people said that they wanted more one-shots, this was NOT what they meant.' 😉

[gilded elm]

Alright, so 3 minutes into this 17 minute Tri video and I can't watch anymore. It's like he's tip-toeing around the whole thing and trying not to sound cope but it still just comes through beaming.

[sweet blade]

About what I suspected.

[gilded elm]

First 3 minutes: "I'm shocked I'm the only one having fun"

Not in those exact words of course, but basically that's what it was.

[sweet blade]

Why is he shocked? No one else is shocked that he's saying it.

[gilded elm]

lmao

[sweet blade]

I'm actually concerned about the next interview that EHG is having, because it's with Tri.

[viral galleon]

just finished the chaos trial for my second ascendency points.
on one hand, first try lets go!
on the other, i didn't find any rare beasts to tame

[gilded elm]

I somewhat expect he'll capitalize on it in a way that's good for LE. He can see that LE is attracting a lot of attention, he doesn't want to alienate those people, of which many are PoE players.

He seems like a businessman more than anything.

[pine basalt]

GG man ! tell them to git gut !

[sweet blade]

Just concerned...

[gilded elm]

He'll do what's good for him.

[sweet blade]

Blah for Chaos trials.

[viral galleon]

i wanted to get a rare dinosaur pet

but now i can place 2 banner

[pine basalt]

can't you try again ? to found dino?

[sweet blade]

Not without the item, right?

[viral galleon]

not unless i find another key

i did the quest one in one go

[sweet blade]

I just thought of what irks me so much about the PoE2 sweepers. They treat you like posh hotel staff that can't be bothered to be polite to you, telling you that you are riffraff that can't comprehend where they are... and then when you reply that you'll just take your $100 and give it to the competitor, they act like you attacked them or something.

[gilded elm]

Or they tell you to F off, not realizing they are contributing to the death of "their" game.

[sweet blade]

Effectively what I'm saying... yeah.

I almost want to pull out a wad of money and say, "I'm going to buy something from one of you, but not both of you... why should I buy from you?"

[pine basalt]

i just tought, isn't it ggg tactics since 7 years ? release too hard d-g sh-- content on Purpose, then fix it and everybody says "thank you ggg you listened to us" ?

[sweet blade]

I could make other parallels but it would be too divisive.

[sweet blade]

It's been the reality. Whether it is a strategy is harder to tell.

[gilded elm]

I think I know exactly what parallel you would be making, no doubt related to society haha

But yeah, it would be.

[pine basalt]

i know it's real i stopped for that reason, best psychological manipulation !

[sweet blade]

Maybe. But that term is so broad.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, intentionally, mind you. For... reasons 🙂

[pine basalt]

Ofc "other parallels" relate to this :

wtf where is my favorite guy ?

[gilded elm]

lol Ghazzy on reading Dawn patch notes: "Gave me flashbacks to Kalandra"

[pine basalt]

WHO is this ?

Thanks you !

POE 2 release to destroy LE => LE dodge and delay => POE 2 release bad content, wait for a week and fix EVERYTHING, best league ever, 2 days Before LE

POE 2 "succes", LE bad => iam allone on LE => no latency no queue !

[gilded elm]

Given that Dawn's date was announced after LE, it really does make GGG look like the bad guys and doubly-so after a failed league launch.

Like, if you're going to be a bully, at least release a good league.

[pine basalt]

i don't judge on physical, it's a joke, BUT his smile... this feeling....

[sweet blade]

@tiny coral So at my school, the Manufacturing class was a requirement for IEs but an elective for MEs. Professor was an IE who had worked in Manufacturing since the age of 11 (no kidding). He told all the MEs that in his experience, most MEs took it because they thought it was an easy elective, and it wasn't. He also would give multiple examples of MEs giving him designs that were, quite simply, not manufacturable. ANd when the ME argued, he simply asked how he was to cut this hole at this point at this tolerance... yeah.

[gilded elm]

I do like to think Jonathan is intentionally being "evil" sometimes hehe

[pine basalt]

how can you have grey hair but brown beard ?

[sweet blade]

I take nothing from that picture. Do you know how many silly stills of video you can get on anyone?

[pine basalt]

i didn't played Among Us but....

[sweet blade]

Quite easily?

[gilded elm]

I imagine Jonathan has been under tremendous stress and pressure for the past couple years.

[pine basalt]

Staring at me ><"

[pine basalt]

sure with PR it's hard to say things

[gilded elm]

I really like Jonathan as a person, as a leader who takes responsibility and accepts all of the hate. From all accounts of people who have visited GGG's studio in NZ, he's a really great person.

[pine basalt]

Does Johnathan even play his game ? i NEVER seen ANY content

[sweet blade]

It's so weird how I don't see Jonathan at all like that.

[tiny coral]

Yeah sounds about right, there are a bunch of students and new engineers that dont understand manufacturing processes. Those classes are so helpful

[gilded elm]

I expect he does, but not at the level that more serious players like Mark and the rest of us play at.

Mark was basically a pro-tier PoE player back in the day, and probably still is, we just don't know about it.

[sweet blade]

Yeah. The best part about the class is that the final had 50 Multiple Choice, 15 Short Answer questions, and one long-form question. That one question was: "Name at least 5 manufacturing processes that made the chair you're sitting on." How many times have you seen people get up during a final exam to look at their own chair. It's amazing. 🙂

[pine basalt]

when i heard Chris saying "i like this league iam in SSF lvl 52 everything is good" after 1 month, when people crying about lategame

[gilded elm]

Chris Wilson is a whole different beast haha

He's why Ruthless exists, undoubtedly.

That's just how he likes to play ARPGs.

[pine basalt]

do you mean... POE 2 ?

[gilded elm]

lol

[pine basalt]

i like the spirit too, weighted, hard, slow, but not unfair and not rewarding....

[gilded elm]

I still can't get over "this game is worse than Wolcen" lmao

[pine basalt]

Hey wolcen was """ good """" no ? at least the campaign ? Can't remember but someone said "yeah it's good, like build building ?"

but there was only 1 thing, all the rest was bad :/

[sweet blade]

Yeah, it's not really a 'sound' argument because Wolcen wasn't THAT bad... the public perception of Wolcen, though, was a dumpster fire and a half, and so the claim (that I made) that PoE2 is worse than Wolcen is more a discussion of the public perception of the game.

[pine basalt]

just saw some gameplay, yeah poe 2 is worse lmao

at least the guy in wolcen have loot in his inventory ; )

[narrow token]

Worse than diablo 9. The disrespect!

[pine basalt]

Maybe Diablo 9 is not so bad after the Great Alien Invasion in 2127 and the repurchase of Blizzard by Venusian ?

[gilded elm]

Steelmage: "I have more fun playing D4 than this"

[tawny sand]

lol

that's funny

[sweet blade]

Did he actually say that?

[pine basalt]

yep

[gilded elm]

Yeah, watching a montage of clips https://youtu.be/IWE7TB2V5RE

[pine basalt]

he said more..."i'll never play it again if....."

[sweet blade]

Wooow......

[pine basalt]

(random guy)

[gilded elm]

Yeah this is a major issue for GGG, like really bad.

[tawny sand]

LOL

[gilded elm]

LOL, Steelmage: "EHG, you shouldn't have delayed your game" hahahaha

[pine basalt]

Don't you all like to "" beat your head to a wall hoping it'll break after enough hit"" = try again and again until you have enought luck to succes ?

[gilded elm]

I wonder if this person can say that to Ben haha

[sweet blade]

Oh God, put that in #💬┃general and watch the people drink. 🙂

[gilded elm]

Delaying was definitely the best call at the time, but yeah in hindsight they shouldn't have delayed.

[pine basalt]

is the "drink thing" a ggg conspiracy to make LE player drunk and down LE player numbers ? or too drunk and play poe 2 instead of LE ?

[tawny sand]

eh, hindsight is 20/20

there was a chance the patch could've been great

even if that didn't happen

[gilded elm]

Yep, EHG absolutely did the right thing based on the information they had at the time.

[sweet blade]

Well, maybe, if I'm a GGG shill... I thought of it. 😉

[sweet blade]

I also think their restraint is going to give them some major leverage in future.

[pine basalt]

Basic Orobyss' spy, working with boby kodick ggg and johnathan

[sweet blade]

Very well, I confess... I'm a Chinese bot working for Tri who is secretly paid by GGG to troll this Discord... </obvious sarcasm>

[pine basalt]

LE is such a good game, even Tencent have to take "mesure"

i have to tell ehg team !

[tawny sand]

Empyrian's take

[pine basalt]

you really thing we know how to read ? so much ? in 1 go :v

[tawny sand]

I can

[pine basalt]

can you read it to me with empy's voice ? he like his speacking way

[tawny sand]

LOL

[sweet blade]

Wow, says he isn't going to play PoE2 at all and IS going to play LE... just wow.

[tawny sand]

i'm awful at impressions

[gilded elm]

I read it, and it's a fair take, especially in his case when he was already burnt out of PoE2.

[pine basalt]

"utterly destroyed"

yeah he's just asking for money, what random internet guy said again ?

[tawny sand]

"low testosterone"

[sweet blade]

At least I don't have that issue. Anymore, at least.

[pine basalt]

i laugh so hard at this one "if you don't like poe 2 you have a small P-P and need to git guut !"

[sweet blade]

Yep. Don't forget 'we don't need you'. I'm reminded of a recent YouTube video...

[pine basalt]

that's not wrong, they don't need "you", they need "youre money" :x

putted like that it feel so wrong, like "yeah yeah GaMers we don't care"

[twilit mountain]

Steel said he's giving it til Tuesday and if things don't improve he's hopping to LE practice instead

[sweet blade]

Guess GGG has a ticking clock now.

[gilded elm]

Sheesh, Steel actually set a deadline lmao

He also said if this is what PoE2 is moving forward, he's never playing it again.

[sweet blade]

Good.

[gilded elm]

LE practice sounds kinda temping, but that's just me trying to give myself a reason to play LE right now when I know I'm not a competive person so "practice" doesn't really mean much to me. I must not burn out on LE before the season, I must resist the urge to play right now lol

[teal flame]

I've been doing some LE practice over the last couple weeks, I'm probably gonna give POE2 a few days before trying to dive into it

Let them patch out the worst of it

[twilit mountain]

I've just been cooking some builds for LE, casually, on the sidelines. They'll all need to be fixed up after notes but I wanted to get the frameworks done at least.

[gilded elm]

You know what.. yeah maybe I could do some casual before-bed time LE gaming on my Steam Deck or something. Not fully invested, but just playing casually so I don't burn out.

[teal flame]

I've been playing builds that are kinda "low on my list" of planned builds, so it'll probably be a while into the new season before I look to jump into an updated version of them

That way my planned builds can be "fresh"

[gilded elm]

Big brain, damn everyone's put thought into this. I feel so unprepared lol

[teal flame]

About 20% of my brain capacity is usually reserved for ARPG theorycrafting 🤷‍♀️

[twilit mountain]

Cooking builds is like one of the only things I can do where it feels like my executive dysfunction isn't kicking my ass

[gilded elm]

I feel that, reminds me I gotta pick up my ADHD meds lol

[twilit mountain]

I had to skip mine yesterday because I forgot until 7PM and going "off-schedule" screws me for like two weeks straight. It was not a good day.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, forgetting to take meds... and also taking meds twice because you forgot you already took them. Ugh, screw ADHD

[twilit mountain]

(Mine are also lower strength than most, my weight is too low for stimulants to be safe for me)

[gilded elm]

That's crazy. Hopefully it still works well

[pine basalt]

i really need to put stocks on those pharma ><"

[twilit mountain]

That feeling of staring at the bottle a couple hours later trying to remember if they're on that shelf because you took them or because you forgot to take them due to being out of the way

[gilded elm]

Nooo lol

Yep, you're describing me lmao

[twilit mountain]

I even have one of those little containers with days of the week marked, three of them still have the pills in them because I placed it somewhere out of view and just took meds from the bottles instead lmao

[gilded elm]

omfg, that's exactly why I stopped using those damn things

Because I only ever half ass it

That's the problem with our brains... we can't form new routines very well lmao

I really, really wish I could follow a more ordered, structured lifestyle.

It's an absolute mystery to me how people do it

[teal flame]

Brain don't brain good, that's for sure

[gilded elm]

Instead I have to learn to thrive in chaos somehow

[twilit mountain]

I survive by random instances coursing through my brain like a lightning bolt reminding me that I was supposed to do something

[gilded elm]

"When is LE reset?"
Brain: "April 17th"

"What did you eat for breakfast?"
Brain: "huh?"

[twilit mountain]

"I was supposed to eat?"

[gilded elm]

lmao

[twilit mountain]

I used to use Destiny reset times to keep track of appointments because I knew when reset was, practically by instinct, which let me know what time of day things were at and what day of the week

[gilded elm]

Good old coping mechanisms. It's crazy how we develop these systems to cope with our situation and somehow give a semblance of a functioning human being.

I'm always amazed when people think I have my shit together.

[twilit mountain]

I'm still dealing with some of the fallout of moving to a very different part of the country, the sun comes up and goes down at such earlier times that I consistently get confused thinking it is later than it really is

[gilded elm]

That'd be quite weird, especially with responsibilities. I would really struggle with that particularly with a job if I had to commute. I'm lucky to have the privilege of working from home with a flexible schedule.

Hopefully that's not long-term and ends up resolving itself, maybe as we near summer and sunrise/sunset normalizes for you.

[twilit mountain]

Aye. It's been getting slowly better over time but I'm overwriting patterns from spending nearly 8 years in one place so it's not quick. Lucky enough to not have to worry about working rn (unemployed for now, not in like need of housing or anything).
I'm not certain when I can get back to working (which sucks, not having money makes things kinda stagnant), I am struggling to get in with a doctor lately and I really need to before I can work again.

[sweet blade]

I'm lucky in that I very naturally attune circadian rhythms to local conditions. (E.g., I don't get jetlag very easily.)

So the worst time I ever had like that was the two days or so I was inside the Arctic Circle.

[gilded elm]

Yep, totally get that. Forming new habits with executive dysfunction is a B. You don't need me to tell you but you are obviously super smart and capable so I hope you get the care you need to get back on your feet.

[gilded elm]

TIL what the "Arctic Circle" is 😛

[sweet blade]

Er, really?

[gilded elm]

Yep, I know. Me dumb

lol

[sweet blade]

Still. At least it was summer.

[gilded elm]

I know what the North Pole is of course, just not what the Arctic Circle was. But I'm happy to have the newfound knowledge 😄

[sweet blade]

Yeah... it was interesting, the sun just does a sine wave in the sky.

[gilded elm]

Oh wow, is that as surreal as it sounds?

Apparently there's also a "Midnight Sun" phenomena in the summer, looks crazy. The idea of the sun being visible for 24 hours.

[sweet blade]

Yeah, that's what I mean... the sun didn't go below the horizon for like 40 hours.

[sweet blade]

Yes.

[pine basalt]

should be horrible for your body / brain "wtf middle of night Sun is like what's up?"

[sweet blade]

Of course, winter would have been dark, but the Aurora Borealis would be a nice compensation.

[sweet blade]

It was a bit challenging... blackout curtains helped some.

[gilded elm]

I gotta admit that must be beautiful though.

Looks amazing from the photos

[pine basalt]

I 100% would have prefere Aurora Borealis !

[sweet blade]

Well, I didn't have the option so..

[gilded elm]

But yeah I would grow tired of 24 hours of daylight... very quickly haha

[pine basalt]

So you have to go again :p

[sweet blade]

HIGHLY unlikely.

[twilit mountain]

Oh, this happens in Alaskan summers sometimes iirc. Haven't been there personally but I've known a couple folks who lived there.

[broken harness]

feel that

building habits is crazy hard

[gilded elm]

Oh looks like parts of Alaska are indeed in the Arctic Circle, neat

[gilded elm]

Right? Sadly my meds don't help me with this. They only help with lowering the barrier to action, so to speak.

[fierce moth]

New day, new meme videos can enjoy!

I suppose the most correct thing GGG done is... this is a "Early access"

👀 to be honest, I guess I gave another meme too.

xd my issues for unlock code still no reply.

[fierce moth]

thanks Eterra, my unlock code is arrived finally

[fierce moth]

😅 1min+ for an rare enemy in the beginning...

No loots of course

[narrow token]

I wish Frostbolt did damage in poe2. It just kinda...doesnt

[tawny sand]

it seems like nothing does damage right now

[gilded elm]

@sweet blade Maybe you're old enough to have played the original version of this game (I haven't). Just picked it up, seems interesting and possibly up your alley: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2799350/Emperor_of_the_Fading_Suns_Enhanced/

[tawny sand]

i saw people talking about that in the explorminate discord, supposedly it's very good

[gilded elm]

I love games like this haha, looks like it might have a steep learning curve though. Gonna take some time

[tawny sand]

if you're wanting more space 4x, distant worlds 2 is (or maybe was) on sale

[gilded elm]

This marine looking guy kind of gives off space marine vibes, I wonder if the game takes any influence from early 40k

[tawny sand]

it got a new dlc recently

[gilded elm]

I think I remember seeing Distant Worlds 2... I wanna say I passed on it? I can't remember, did it have poor Steam reviews?

[tawny sand]

it had a rocky launch yeah

lot of crashing

[gilded elm]

Oh, no it's Very Positive. It used to be Mostly Positive but the recent reviews is Very Positive so that's good.

Sounds like they've been putting work in and turned the game around

Love to see that from devs

[tawny sand]

reminds me of 1970s anime honestly

maybe cause i'm watching the original gundam again though lol

[gilded elm]

The whole imperial space opera theme with different houses fighting for power could also be Dune inspired too, I suppose

[tawny sand]

i think people were saying it's got some dune vibes yeah

[gilded elm]

Yeah really liking the vibes of this game

[tawny sand]

apparently it's quite a deep chunky game too

i might get it cause i got a few steam wallet dollars

[gilded elm]

Makes me both excited and overwhelmed lol. Excited to play it and actually get good at it... overwhelmed to learn all it has to offer

[tawny sand]

might be a manual reading type of game yeah

idk if it has a pdf in the install files or anything

[gilded elm]

Good question

But it has a tutorial, so that's good

[tawny sand]

oh nice, it's young enough to have a tutorial haha

I was playing HoMM3 and the tutorial was in the manual

[gilded elm]

Basically seems like it's a game from 1997 that got a complete remaster and overhaul

[tawny sand]

ah yeah

[gilded elm]

So all of this stuff is probably very new

[tawny sand]

let me know how it is

[gilded elm]

Sure, if I manage to give it a respectable try while it has my attention. I have this... uh, bad habit of dropping games mid-playthrough and jumping to something else 😛

I do circle back to games, I just lose interest quickly.

[tawny sand]

i do the same lol

[gilded elm]

Oh cool, Distant Worlds 2 is on sale, might as well grab and add it to my backlog... along with the other 600 games heh

[tawny sand]

yeah they just had a new factions dlc release

so they're having a big sale

you don't need the faction dlcs tho, but might be worth getting a bundle idk

return of the shakturi is an endgame crisis dlc

[gilded elm]

Still cheaper than Stellaris

[tawny sand]

yeah lol

Also, i highly recommend the soundtrack mod

i find the original soundtrack awful tbh

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3271309568

[gilded elm]

First time I've heard that criticism against a game lmao

[tawny sand]

lol

ah screw it, imma get eotfs

i've been eyeing it a while tbh

[gilded elm]

Maybe YOU can let me know how it is lol

[tawny sand]

lol

[tawny sand]

i have no idea what is happening lol

[gilded elm]

Me when first playing every 4X lol

[fierce moth]

🤔 do this node is worth to be allocated?

oh witch can't do life leech so this node is trash, ok

[gilded elm]

If you go to the store page, there's a link to a PDF manual for the original 1997 game, it seems like.

[fierce moth]

😂 My luck is good this time.

[maiden widget]

looks like early 40k armor design to me but yeah would be interesting

[gilded elm]

Right? Feels very early 40k and Dune inspired haha

I would love a 40k 4X game that wasn't Gladius. I like Gladius but it feels so... I don't what the word is. Plain?

Also sucks that Gladius takes place on one planet.

[fierce moth]

Just done act 1, my experience is smooth so far due to double rare items I got, an rare wand and an rare focus

Four rare items are wearing but no movement speed bonus on my boots and no amulet is available yet

[gilded elm]

Very nice

[sweet blade]

It looks familiar... definitely early 90s graphic style... (reminds me of Wizardry 7 work)... I might have played this at some point, but certainly not for any length of time.

[hollow coral]

EZ views

[fierce moth]

oh... I forgot the most annoying part in poe 2 is... Trials

[sweet blade]

You didn't forget... you mentally blocked it. 😉

[fierce moth]

When can we just skip double trials part to get our ascendency points...

[sweet blade]

Ironically, I like Trial of the Sekhemas much more than Sanctum, and I like Ultimatum a lot more than Trial of Chaos. And the TotA can just be left on the cutting room floor, IMO.

[fierce moth]

I just hate all trials... Their tier 3 is super hard, it's why I never can reach tier 4

[sweet blade]

Considering I bounced before getting to the third trial, I hear you. 🙂

[fierce moth]

Now I must do them from tier 1... PTSD is coming

[sweet blade]

Ohhh yeah.

[desert jasper]

Ah, good ol' titan quest

Meanwhile I'm just playing solitaire over here

[sweet blade]

Okay, that got me busting up laughing, wow...

[pine basalt]

Day 1 : cry all the water of your body
Day 2 :

[sweet blade]

Oh, they actually have a viable ED/Contagion bulid now? That's nice.

[pine basalt]

EASY game prepare for the nerfs !

[sweet blade]

Hahahaha.

TBF, most people were targeting Crossbow Amazon to be a really good build.

[pine basalt]

There is 3 kind of people :
Those who write essays on reddit :p
And those cleaning poe2 campaign !

And those who don't play poe so you look at LE builds and idea waiting for realease ><"" 🫂

[crisp onyx]

there will be soon tq2

but from videos i saw looks kinda clunky

so ill wait

[sweet blade]

I was hearing fairly good things about TQ2.

[pine basalt]

LOL Last Epoch is so short 35$ for 2h long game ! refound !

[crisp onyx]

me too, but i trust my eyes more

so ill wait

[sweet blade]

Sure... I haven't done any personal investigation yet. I certainly would before purchasing.

[sweet blade]

What's their definition of beating? Defeating Aberroth?

[carmine arrow]

that potion wtf hahaha

[pine basalt]

Even the Sentinel is like "wtf men???"

[pine basalt]

he just "beat it" ! done :p

[sweet blade]

Trying not to let my logical side have a conniption here. 😉

[pine basalt]

When you read "i beat the game in 2h", ofc it's campaign / bait-troll tittle

so i have to Jump on It !

[hollow coral]

Never meet your heroes 😭

[pine basalt]

Can we have nice things ???

damn offline players 😠

[fierce moth]

I‘m done. All golds are spent to reset passive tree and I still super super super super weak on both of defensive and offensive.

Still run out of mana consistently and my damage just too poor to kill act 2 boss, I referenced https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/gq8vp00h Raxx's guide which posted 3h ago but still in chaos.

Make sense, I'm on chaos because I cast chaos...

I just need tons of mana regeneration and more chaos damage but unfortunately, poe 2 don't support me to find special affix on gears without trading. No currency for trading because I'm in act 2 only. I just want these affixes but impossible so my game is dead to play too.

[sweet blade]

Yep. The only difference between us is that I realized this before the patch went live.

[fierce moth]

You're more smart

[sweet blade]

Not necessarily. Likely more analytical, if you're an artist, but I wouldn't say smarter. Or, perhaps, my 'smarts' are more applicable to this situation? Dunno.

[fierce moth]

I found mana regeneration just the affix I must own on my gears and it must on 3 pieces of my gears at least if I want to play the campaign or the endgame smoothly

How important these affixes for a caster in poe 2:
Mana regeneration > Special damage type > spell damage > cast speed

No idea why Raxx think cast speed is the most important affix...

Will cast speed make sense when you ran out of mana? 🤔

[ivory swift]

Mana should be stable once you get high enough depending on build. Mana regen is based off max mana so it technically increases naturally as you level (and more with intel). Cast speed is a form of damage multiplier, it also smooths out gameplay and opens up attack windows that you normally couldn't capitalize on with slower cast speed.

[sweet blade]

I really want to go to this video and explain to sirgog that no, this wasn't an 'oops'.

[sweet blade]

Cast speed allows a faster conversion of resource (in this case, mana) to damage in any ARPG. That's what it does.

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhh hey guys let's check out what GGG update on that classic tornado bird?

Circle range damage on ground. yeah they think this bird is too easy hhhhhhh

[abstract karma]

they made that annoying bird even more annoying ? 😄

[sweet blade]

That bird is the single reason I hate the Trials of Chaos.

[fierce moth]

I announce poe 2 is born for streamers only since now.

More drama effects when they're enjoying this game :)

[abstract karma]

dont worry they will "Tweak" game back to zoom zoom in next 2 weeks but damage is done

[sweet blade]

Most likely.

[abstract karma]

They just dont get main poin of Izometric ARPG - progression character which should be stronger and stronger till kill gods

[fierce moth]

oh I remind of one of debuff from this trial is this ground damage, maybe that's it

[pine basalt]

Sentinel on 17th be like :

[abstract karma]

still want Lightning Javeling to get more care than just remove restriction node on 2 projectiles paths

[ivory swift]

They explicitly said they weren't going that route, that the game will be more grounded.

I get that some people don't like the path PoE2 is going, but you can't argue numbers, there is more people playing PoE2 this second then there has EVER been on PoE1.

[abstract karma]

it's not about being grounded but how big scale / curve you give...

Just look on all other ARPGS (not diablo 4/3 tho..)
As you went to "edngame" you were simple stronger, had support items which gave you even additional skills or buffs or spaming aoe / debuffs

[pine basalt]

After killing Gods can you kill the server - breacking 4th wall ? like Jousis ?

[ivory swift]

https://steamcharts.com/app/238960 All time peak
VS
https://steamcharts.com/app/2694490 Current players

the proof is in grey and green.

[sweet blade]

Well, I guess we should hope that PoE1 dies, then, as it's clearly an inferior game.

[pine basalt]

steam chart is not accurate, don't take out of steam launchers (stand allone / all chinese market)

[abstract karma]

but chinese version has surely tweaked droprates

[pine basalt]

depending on the was, i was surprise the difference

[ivory swift]

Why are you framing this as one or the other. They said over and over they are going to work on both games. It makes more sense they will as they play and are focused on two different kinds of players

[sweet blade]

What they say they're going to do and what they've done are different, by their own admission. Why do you believe them?

[pine basalt]

Do you mean... better QOL like pet picking your currency ? death recap ?

[ivory swift]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapolation

[pine basalt]

i just point out what i heard , don't want fram anything

[ivory swift]

Because it makes the most commercial sense. They make most of thier money on league launches, if they can stagger two games launches they theroetically can make 2x the money. Even if it's only 1.5x the money it will likely still be more profitable then running 1 game.

[pine basalt]

Imagine knowing what killed you in POE 1 ! in detail ! "log battle"

[sweet blade]

Oh, so delaying PoE1 leagues for 9 months makes them more money? GGG outright said that they would work on both games. They THEN said, 'oh no, we haven't been working on PoE1 at all, and you're not getting another league for PoE1 for at least 6 months'. They straight-up lied.

[ivory swift]

The games are different enough to capture different players. Also overlap doesn't hurt either as it keeps people engaged with GGG far past then what they would be with PoE1 alone.

[sweet blade]

And this is not the first time they have bald-faced lied to their player base either. Anyone who believes anything GGG says at face value is not facing reality.

[ivory swift]

Yes, and they admited they screwed up, but not that they are abandoning PoE1 completely. They had last min crunch time. Which is more common then you think in almost EVERY game.

[pine basalt]

hehehe it's time to quote people Out of Context :

[sweet blade]

Does not matter. They didn't say, 'We will work on both games UNLESS we have crunch time on one of our games.'

[sweet blade]

There's also the issue that this is very likely one way. Do you think that they're going to delay working on PoE2 to get something out for PoE1? If so, you're delusional.

[ivory swift]

That's how the real world works, things get pushed sometimes, do you work?

[sweet blade]

Yes, I do, even in this space, or adjacent to it. And in the professional world, you don't promise things to your clients that you can't do.

[ivory swift]

The deadlines aren't set by the players, it's set by the devs, and while yes there is some good will lost for not meeting the deadlines, I don't belive they have bankrupted the good will for most players yet.

[sweet blade]

The players did not require GGG to say to them that they would work on both games, and that one game's development would not delay the other game's development. GGG themselves made that promise. And then they broke it. This has nothing to do with deadlines.

[sweet blade]

I do agree that GGG doesn't seem to have bankrupted their good will yet, if only because I'm pretty sure that 90% of people playing PoE2 right now wouldn't care if GGG straight-up unalived people live on camera.

[junior oyster]

I like trains

[sweet blade]

Trains are interesting. To me, passenger trains are quite new.

[ivory swift]

This has everything to do with deadlines what are you talking about? They moved devs over from PoE1 Dev because they WEREN'T going to make PoE2's deadline.

[solemn harness]

They lost my goodwill when Jonathan explicitly promised that guilds and their guild stash tabs would transfer over from PoE 1 to PoE 2, then 11 months later went "whoops, that's harder to do than expected, so I guess it's not happening."

[sweet blade]

Thus breaking their promise.

[junior oyster]

GGG lost my goodwill when they didn't release poe immortal

I have a phone damn it

[pine basalt]

it's an EA ! :p

[ivory swift]

Yes, and they apologized for it. Have you never broken a promise? Do you think you should be hated for breaking a promise?

[junior oyster]

Yes

[sweet blade]

I don't think you should be trusted anymore.

[pine basalt]

GGG lost my good will with lying - shadownerf - removed power from gem - made hc and ssf garbage - and lied again ;'(

[sweet blade]

Especially when this is the last of a long line of trust-breaking mooments.

[west plume]

The fact comes down to it isnt GGG games or vision anymore....Its Tencent's games and vision....I called it last year and said PoE 1 would take a back seat to PoE 2 and said within 2 years PoE 1 would have 2 updates per year

[sweet blade]

Seems you were half right... 😉

[pine basalt]

i heard tencent let them do what they want, if they don't loose money

between what they say / do, who knows ?

[ivory swift]

Tencent is mostly only conserned with the China client, as long as the normal client makes money they don't care

[west plume]

They can say that all they want...or some YouTuber can see he heard something, but as a game dev myself, THAT is how it works....Tencent owns them now

[sweet blade]

From a business perspective, you are right... but many people who own companies don't care how the company is run as long as the money continues to flow.

[pine basalt]

Maybe the Kalandra's Mirror Mafia is menacing Johnathan and he has no choice !

[solemn harness]

In my mind if you promise something that leads to players spending hundreds of dollars, and then don't follow through because it's too hard, you're basically committing fraud. It's not even something they have systems in place to refund, because guild stashes are funded by multiple people.

[west plume]

TRUE! But Tencent isnt just ome other company...They are ALWAYS hands-on

[sweet blade]

Not from what I've heard.

[ivory swift]

Why F around with a golden goose? Leave it alone and let it keep laying golden eggs

[pine basalt]

But you know "them" press de goose to have "more egg / year", even if it kills it

[west plume]

Bc Tencent is Tencent and are worth BILLIONS, so to them they "know better" This happens all the time. Same thing has happened with Microsoft buying Activision/Blizzard

[sweet blade]

Certainly. On the flip side, though... look at all the IPs imploding...

[pine basalt]

Lost Ark is perfect example for me "golden goose" could have work for years, but no have to make bs timegate p2w traps

[ivory swift]

Look at all the companies Tencent owns, it's staggering, do you really think they get directly involved in the day to day of all those companies?

[pine basalt]

Maybe we shoudl directly ask the Devs ? doesn't tencent own 20%

[west plume]

Its very easy to put governing heads over each studio they own....If you think a huge corporation buys a company just to watch them do whatever, youre delusional.....Its about having a bit of control of the product

[sweet blade]

That could be good or bad. They could have one 'liaison officer' for every company they own, and if THAT person isn't well-supervised, they could destroy the companies through power trips, etc.

[sweet blade]

I thought it was because they wanted a bit of the revenue stream...

[solemn harness]

Tencent buys companies like GGG because they want to release their game in China and control it there. They don't really care about other markets.

[pine basalt]

Doesn't seems abusive to think "i buy a compagny, let them succed and take 2% / year"

[west plume]

Thats also part of it yes...But the money isnt the ONLY thing....They want their hands in everything....the same as Microsoft

[sweet blade]

Enh, until I see issues with control in other games (such as LE), I don't think I can agree with you.

[abstract karma]

not reall tru i would say - Dying light 2 haven't chinese version and "endgame" in this single player game hindered by monetization packs and BS is horrible

[west plume]

We dont have to agree, thats totally fine.....But youll eventaully see it....And have already started with how GGG has handdled teh PoE 2 and 1 debacle

[sweet blade]

Do you have evidence that Tencent has a hand in that?

[abstract karma]

AS i see it for now
PoE 1 is free from Tencent Touch
PoE 2 on the other hand who knows and who knows why they released such version so early

[solemn harness]

If Dying Light 2 has horrible monetization practices and no Chinese version that's probably on Techland, not Tencent. I guarantee you Tencent is focused almost exclusively on the Chinese market.

[west plume]

I dont need evidence when its clear as day....And nobody has ever had any evidence to the contrary.....Its how major corporations work....We see it all the time with other forms of companies

[sweet blade]

What is asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

[pine basalt]

POE 1 is free from Tencent because they have their own version for China

or not...

[sweet blade]

Just to be clear... I heard that Tencent owns GGG outright (as in 100% of the company) and the totality was obtained sometime in 2024. Does anyone know the exact dates for that?

[west plume]

True! I just dont see a reason for Tencent to buy out GGG, or for GGG to sell out, if not for a sense of control for Tencent and GGG founders to make even MORE money....Its a win-win for both sides

[solemn harness]

Quick search suggests Dying Light 2 came out in 2022, and Tencent didn't actually control Techland until 2024.

[west plume]

They own it outright, not a small percentage

[sweet blade]

'I don't see how I could be another way' is not evidence, unfortunately.

[west plume]

So youre right

[pine basalt]

The real problem is the marging, if "goals" changes, it can impact your game

[sweet blade]

My question is WHEN. It's important.

[abstract karma]

dying light 2 endgame as is now hand't such BS as now.. SO who know when it started these updates

[pine basalt]

When they decide you game don't make enought money ? and go for predatory monetization

[west plume]

And the goals have clearly changed as we see with PoE 1 taking a back seat....which lead me to believe Tencent has more control than what others are saying

[solemn harness]

For GGG: Tencent was a majority (86.67%) holder in 2018, the remaining shares were all transferred by 2024.

[pine basalt]

i don't get why they stoped making POE 1 league, it's """ free money """

[sweet blade]

And I tell you why. Everyone noticed the drop in quality after Settlers was released. I don't think there's been a lot of good decisions from GGG since then. SO, if Tencent gained control after Settlers, that could be evidence in favor of what you're saying. (Keeping in mind post hoc ergo propter hoc) If before, less so.

[sweet blade]

It's not a surprise for them to work more on the game they're more passionate about.

[solemn harness]

Tencent has had control of GGG for way, way longer than Settlers, lol.

[west plume]

And GGG started development for PoE 2 in 2019!

[ivory swift]

Tencent has had "control" for a very long time

They are hands off

[maiden widget]

banking on the success of 2 to put 1 in maintenance mode would be my guess - and devs prolly want to work on the new shiny the leadership pushes as its more modern and potentially better for your career

[sweet blade]

Yes, but the degree of control can be important.

[west plume]

But remember, PoE 2 wasnt originally a separate game....It was in 2024 they annoucned it would be a different game....From 2019 to 2024, they said it was a MAJOR update to PoE 1

[pine basalt]

i heard they was not so many people left on POE 1, but they managed to do great leagues

smells like burnout teams ><"

[sweet blade]

Settlers was the only recent league I was really enthusiastic for. 😉

[solemn harness]

The entire reason GGG went ahead with Tencent was because they communicated with other devs like Riot and got confirmation that Tencent is hands-off about the companies they own, they don't care about the western market, and just want to own the game so they can legally do whatever they want with it in China.

[ivory swift]

again, they mostly want a Chinese client. It makes far more money then the non chinese client

[sweet blade]

Oh agreed. Not questioning that.

[pine basalt]

Phrecia event is praised for his variety of build / overpower builds

[sweet blade]

By GGG's own statement Phrecia is not a league.

[west plume]

Yeah, its an event

[pine basalt]

they could add 40 achiev, 2 supporter pack and it's a league

[ivory swift]

They have their own studio to edit the game for the china client. They don't need to meddle in GGG's day to day.

[sweet blade]

They could. They did not. Just saying that when I said 'recent leagues', I meant that specifically.

[solemn harness]

I'm not speculating BTW, this is all public information shared directly by GGG.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2147313

[sweet blade]

Honestly, man, how many times do I have to tell you I agree with you before you believe me? 😉

[sweet blade]

Well, when you're someone like me who doesn't believe GGG, it's hard to use them as sources. 😉

[solemn harness]

I believe GGG, I just don't trust Jonathan.

2018 post from Chris Wilson passes my sniff test.

[west plume]

I dont trust GGG at all...they killed that trust

[sweet blade]

Well, you trust more than I do. 😉

[solemn harness]

Jonathan lies a lot. I know other people that work at GGG that are honest, he doesn't represent all of them.

[ivory swift]

About the same amount of times GGG needs to tell you they aren't abandoning PoE1 for you to believe them. 😜

[west plume]

They started as a small studio building a game they enjoy playing.....Now they cant even test their own game to end game....They got a taste of real money and decided to let their work go to shit

[sweet blade]

Very well then.

[maiden widget]

ggg has lots of cool people i just dont trust the leadership

[pine basalt]

why would you pay tester when people will pay themself to do it ?

[ivory swift]

I was just poking fun btw

[maiden widget]

i wonder if neon still is directing poe1 or if its completely on ice atm

[sweet blade]

I can agree with this, but it's clear that the leadership has enough control that anyone of trust can't get anything through.

[pine basalt]

Bethesda way :: why fix our bugs, modders exist and are better at it (for free)

[ivory swift]

Mark is running PoE1 technically, last I checked at least. He's been involved in PoE2 mostly because he is the "end game" guy.

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ZKUYBvPZU

Found an random video about why poe 2 don't fun to play with the end of time as the background

[maiden widget]

what irked me the most was how jonathan just said he didnt even follow what they did with poe 1 for years

[west plume]

Hawg is hilarious!

[maiden widget]

almost like he's proud to go into 2 without knowing what happens in 1

[ivory swift]

Jonathan has been neck deep in PoE2 devolpment, it's hard to pay attention to two games at once.

[maiden widget]

he's the lead

[pine basalt]

"End Game" like Thanos snapping fingers ? :x

[maiden widget]

he has to basically

[sweet blade]

That is definitely part of the explanation why so much that was figured out in 1 didn't get to 2.

[maiden widget]

at least on a higher level

[ivory swift]

No he wasn't at that point, mark was

[ivory swift]

Chris was the higher level lead

[maiden widget]

it doesnt matter much, the leadership team should talk about big things happening in their specific teams

[pine basalt]

How can't you use 10 years of experience to make a new product ><"

[maiden widget]

you dont want to spend time to solve the same things multiple times

[sweet blade]

It's quite easy, and it's not like GGG is the only studio to make this mistake.

[solemn harness]

I think it's more Jonathan didn't want those things from PoE 1 in PoE 2. It's explicitly his pet project, where instead of listening to players we get "the vision."

[maiden widget]

tbh it worked on launch

[pine basalt]

Serious question : WHY on-death effects ??? really ? (that one shot)

[maiden widget]

but thats also when people are more forgiving

[sweet blade]

Maybe. I think it's partly both. If Jonathan did know, he's being disingenuous in interviews because he is explicitly stating that he doesn't some of these things.

[solemn harness]

People are forgiving when a new game launches because they expect all of the pain points to be addressed in future patches. Dawn of the Hunt shattered that illusion for a lot of folks.

[maiden widget]

yeah and the new players dont know some issues were solved which irks older players

[sweet blade]

It's an inevitable consequence of having rocket tag style gameplay and also wanting the fear of death. If enemies can't get to the player before they die, the only risk that they can pose is after they're dead.

[pine basalt]

i think on death effect are just more hate for melee players

[maiden widget]

its funny that this OT channel is leagues more civil than poe discords poe2 channel

[sweet blade]

It has that effect, but it's not the source of the issue.

[solemn harness]

It's probably easier to be objective when you aren't emotionally invested.

[sweet blade]

PoE probably has a lot more people in there, and socially, that will lead to breakdowns in civility.

[solemn harness]

I got over PoE ages ago, so..

[pine basalt]

It is ! iam sure 100%, a Dev saw someone "pick this item fast before i die", so he created on death to kill people that want to pick loot fast

[sweet blade]

As did I, but 0.2 of PoE2 is the first PoE1 or 2 launch that I just skipped.

[maiden widget]

prolly, me and my buddies mostly want to have cool poe1 shit but we havent spent money in ages

[sweet blade]

I firmly believe the source is what I stated above. Devs want to endanger players. Players kill everything before they can be endangered. Devs use death to endanger players. That is the source.

[ivory swift]

It only takes 1 or 2 bad actors to break down a conversation. The more people the higher chance for bad actors

[maiden widget]

i tried totems in 0.2.0 and the balance is so off if you pick a bad gem

it's not even funny

auto attack doing more dps than my 2 totems with a +level weapon will never stop being funny

[pine basalt]

Next step is adding "meteo effect" like permanent lightning killing you for afk 10 sec 😉

[solemn harness]

I still miss 3.13. Feel like everything started going off the rails when they backtracked on that Harvest implementation and started trying to nerf literally everything in back-to-back patches.

[ivory swift]

Yeah I had that same issue with the crossbow for about 10 levels until the gem levels started to catch up

[sweet blade]

For Warrior, Standard Attack is your heaviest attack for a while, or at least it was for me in 0.1.

[keen wind]

I'm probably just waiting for PoE 2 to have something resembling crafting before giving it a proper long endgame try

[maiden widget]

shockwave totem kept being bad, it only was better with ballistas and finally artillery ballista

[sweet blade]

Crossbows were the obvious 'meta' pick from the patch notes at least.

[maiden widget]

but i didnt expect SWT to be this bad

[pine basalt]

here before "Gamble is proper craft method"

[sweet blade]

The surprise to me was Spears. I was sure that they would be gigabuffed to make the new class look better.

[pine basalt]

was shocked when my friend told me "no alteration orb in poe 2" lol

[solemn harness]

GGG calling gambling crafting has been my #1 complaint for years now. My #2 complaint is their obnoxious insistence on the entire game being balanced around trade, with no alternative.

[sweet blade]

I don't MIND that... it's the lack of a crafting bench I can't get past. Or, as discussed before, some deterministic way of getting runes.

[maiden widget]

i also dont get the difficulty curve in poe2

it starts off hard, gets easier and easier until maps

normally you'd want a ramping curve

[keen wind]

Honestly? imo "balancing around trade" is just an excuse to not really balance and let the market prices sort it out

[sweet blade]

That's actually hard in most games, Faust.

At least, level-based games. Often the beginning is the hardest because you have the least.

[pine basalt]

i love crafting bench, perfect for leveling / ssf / fix your build without making it op

[sweet blade]

It is, in effect, because they don't control the market. If you don't control the market, and market is what is supposed to balance trade, it doesn't work in the rest of the system.

[solemn harness]

IMO the best way to approach difficulty is to make the difficulty floor low, and strongly encourage players to opt-in to difficulty increases via reward incentives. The game shouldn't be a slog by default.

[pine basalt]

GG method ? make something "not to strong" then updrage it later?

[solemn harness]

Trying to precisely tune everything right out the gate with forced difficulty is foolish in a game with such a broad variety of build choices like PoE.

[pine basalt]

it's an excuse to make ssf miserable ...

[sweet blade]

Maybe, but I was banking on the fact that they're bad at balancing and so something would have slipped through the cracks. Y'know, like the big 0.1 builds.

[maiden widget]

agreed, its also fine if some skills dont perform well but the floor shouldnt be trash tier unenjoyable

[sweet blade]

Yeah, one more reason to like LE.

[pine basalt]

i don't know POE 2, from what i see some build can be very bad early, but become OP lategame (wrong balancing in both ways)

[pine basalt]

RuneMAster ?

[sweet blade]

I personally prefer Sorcerer, but I don't think Runemaster is unenjoyable.

[solemn harness]

I think it's fine if somewhat OP builds exist, just as long as they aren't massively overtuned and dealing like, 10x~1000x or more damage than the "average" build. There needs to be some room to make good and bad decisions, you accomodate the full spectrum of builds by what I said before -- opt-in difficulty with strong incentives.

[maiden widget]

i never tried runemaster but it looked ok

[pine basalt]

I would have liked, EHG buffing "useless" skills mid cycle, just add some +10 flat he see what happen

[maiden widget]

it also had multiple good builds to clear the endgame iirc

[pine basalt]

i mentionned Runemaster because there is 40 spells from 1 skills, hard to balance all of them T_T

[maiden widget]

even forgeguard animate weapon is trucking through the game for a while now and it only got more love recently

[keen wind]

A couple leagues I noped out when my build was trash and not up to comfortable T14s but everything interesting from the league mechanic was locked to T14+ and anything lower was like, cool a +3 evasion charm

[maiden widget]

yeah makes sense but as long as most work fine and the difference isnt too huge it's fine for me

[pine basalt]

"" git gut - noob - play more - too easy - 1 mirror/day "" so i left xD

[keen wind]

Just let me chill in yellows for a few days if the build I made and was hyped to play flopped :(

In Settlers I theorycrafted a build using power runes, because all the interesting seasonal stuff was there (I currently have 1 power rune)

[solemn harness]

Honestly I don't even understand why GGG is trying to make getting to endgame in PoE 2 such a pain in the ass. Like, isn't that insanely counterproductive? Their entire business model revolves around players getting to maps and getting addicted. If people bounce off of the game in like, act 2, they've failed to capture that person as a customer. It makes no sense unless PoE 2 is meant as some sort of.. vanity art project.

[maiden widget]

i think they bank on the souls game crowd getting hooked by the promise of extremely hard game while pushing away the arpg fans

and arpgs were pretty niche for a while now

[stuck fossil]

Anyone got any reccomendations for some solo crafting survival games? I've done valheim, subnautica, most of the mainstream ones.

[sweet blade]

Clearly, it's their vision. Not sure why, either. But it makes about as much sense as any other major decision they've made regarding PoE2.

[stuck fossil]

Doesn't need to be explicitly solo but maybe balanced so i dont need to play multiplayer.

[sweet blade]

I tend to bounce off of most of those, sorry. >< Closest I do is something like Satisfactory.