because you don't understand how the 3 I just mentioned move
#📚┃off-topic
hexed stream
exotic wave
...
are you doing pinnacles?
out of curiousity (because I in fact HAVE a gemling flurry build)
like yeah for combat you don't them for most content
hexed stream
queen of the forest disables ms in any other slot
flurry skill is arguably the best movement skill right now
infernalist relies on its own version of dash
exotic wave
but pinnacles anything below 30% is instant death for Arbiter for instance
hexed stream
are you doing pinnacles?
does arbiter and floor 4 sanctum count?
hexed stream
coz I have zero problem with them
exotic wave
Arbiter does... but turns out enough dps skips lol
so if you hit that threshold by your first attempt you can technically skip MS
But yeah trials are pinnacles that aren't technically pinnacles?
(maybe we'll get true pinnacle versions of them eventually)
hexed stream
even without enough dps, flurry alone is equal to roughly 80-100ms
then again, queen of the forest disables ms in boots
and infernalist can dash their way out of danger rather than moving
exotic wave
Eh, problem with flurry is upkeep unless you stay with a low level version which is... eh
hexed stream
you want to stay at level 5, preferably 4
exotic wave
infernalist dash shouldn't be faster than movement but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be higher than 30
I'm not MoM so I'm using a level 18
because I can afford to go low mana
so I can just pop a mana pot if it happens
hexed stream
infernalist dash shouldn't be faster than movement but it wouldn't surprise me i...
it's faster actually, it cancels the normal dash animation, and has further range
exotic wave
yeah I know
hexed stream
the best non-blink dash you can have in game
exotic wave
"Shouldn't" meaning it shouldn't WORK that way
hexed stream
I believe it should work that way
exotic wave
because the evasion manueavers aren't meant to replace movement
they're meant to be well evasion
hexed stream
it's exclusive to the ascendancy, nothing wrong with it being unique and different
exotic wave
also Queen of the Forest is bad
just going to put that out there
you're giving up what is usually your most powerful defensive slot for... honestly not that much MS
hexed stream
80ms is not that much ms?
hexed stream
most queen of the forest high end players do
not talking about casuals equipping it
exotic wave
you should probably convert some of that to like... ES or something
hexed stream
no need ES if things die offscreen
hexed stream
may as well nerf the game by delete itself
exotic wave
letting things get kill offscreen is why we have corpse explosions and the like
and superfast enemies
hell that's WHY superfast mana drain enemies exist
hexed stream
many people got the wrong idea that poe2 wants to be slow
dev said already, they only want it to be slow and deliberate during campaign and midgame, high endgame it's still zoom zoom just like poe1
exotic wave
(also it's a little funny that players complain about getting killed offscreen and then are like "you should be able to do it yourself tho")
hexed stream
at least I don't complain, so I'm fine with me killing and being killed offscreen
exotic wave
but yeah I get I'm in the minority, I'm one of the few who actaully wants to play a game when it comes to this genre
hexed stream
yeah maybe, the majority will always be about item chasing and how to do it fast
exotic wave
firmly belives that anyone who wants to play offscreen kill builds doesn't actaully want to play a game
hexed stream
they want to play a game, they just play a different game than you
exotic wave
you know what's hilarious? I'm pretty sure for a lot of players, you could make some auto-player game where you just send out a character to kill things and you play an imaginary trading+loot shifting game while they're doing that would be insanely popular
hexed stream
you play a combat game, they play item farming game
exotic wave
basically game just autogens loot and gives it to players and then has some merchant minigame (maingame?) for you to interact with
hexed stream
that won't make players feel powerful, that's the key point
exotic wave
and there's just what's effectively a cooldown between it (sending off your "character')
sure it could
as you gear up/lveel up your character the time decreases
hexed stream
no it can't, there's no feeling powerful if you don't handle it
exotic wave
I don't get how you can feel powerful if you're never interacting tbh
hexed stream
you do interact, just in a different way you expect it to be
like a thanos snap
for example
exotic wave
for all intents and purposes most off-screen builds could have just random loot piles in places with a fake corpse and wouldn't notice the difference
probably be easier on the server+player's pcs too
as there would be no need to generate monsters
hexed stream
yes but it's important that they are the one clicking that button
instead of the game doing it for them
hexed stream
I don't doubt it at all, it's always how it is
exotic wave
I honestly think it'd be pretty easy to replace that component
hexed stream
there's no replacement for the players pressing the button themselves
exotic wave
See you keep saying that
and I've been trying to not point it out
but you know there are 0 button builds right?
Like they're pretty common in PoE 1 even
sand wigeon
They’re censoring books smh /s
hexed stream
there's no 0 button build, you still have to move
even for autobomber build, the least you still have to do is moving around
exotic wave
sure, and that still proves my point they could just have "corpses" that have loot already spawned on top
and it wouldn't change anything
exotic wave
"number go up" isn't hard to fake
exotic wave
then you're in denial
hexed stream
nope
exotic wave
there are entire genres of this
candid sage
They’re censoring books smh /s
lmao.
exotic wave
frankly? ARPG is a meaningless title anyway
it describes everything from PoE to freaking Kingdom Hearts
hexed stream
frankly, life is meaningless anyway
sand wigeon
Are we really back on this again
sand wigeon
frankly, life is meaningless anyway
Okay buddy
hexed stream
idk why you need to impose your minority ideology on everyone
sand wigeon
What
exotic wave
recreating the looter experience but removing the "combat" portion is entirely doable
hexed stream
it's doable, but it will be another genre
hexed stream
still another genre, it exists, and most are mobile games
sand wigeon
idk why you need to impose your minority ideology on everyone
I just wanted to talk about books with gay men damn
hexed stream
the point was it could be done and probably be just as popular
yes but are we talking about arpg?
exotic wave
sure, let's talk Kingdom hearts
hexed stream
I don't care about how they do it in a different genre
sand wigeon
Have you read Moby Censored, minimap?
exotic wave
where is my KH4 man
sand wigeon
where is my KH4 man
TRUE
hexed stream
so how many builds are there in that arpg called KH4?
exotic wave
I mean besides probably only being in dev for like a year
sand wigeon
WE GOT A TRAILER YEARS AGO AND NOTHING ELSE
hexed stream
100? 1000?
sand wigeon
@twilit mountain Has been waiting so long
exotic wave
fine let's talk Ys then
sand wigeon
so how many builds are there in that arpg called KH4?
it’s kingdom hearts what
exotic wave
Ys 11 getting a royal version hilarious
bro is about to try and die on the "Diablo defines ARPG" hill
hexed stream
better than be imperative about how others should play a certain genre
sand wigeon
We literally had this discussion about genre titles like two days ago
exotic wave
because it's basically THE ARPG
exotic wave
Oh did we, damn missed it
old ARPG from... 86 or 87?
effectively redifined the genre
sand wigeon
Oh did we, damn missed it
exotic wave
(although thankfully all future successors such as LoZ 2 dropped the bumper gameplay)
hexed stream
so every time I need to limit the scope by saying something like diablo-like arpg, awesome
sand wigeon
effectively redifined the genre
Oh, right, I remember it now lmao
hexed stream
luckily I have zero attachment for games before the 2000s
sand wigeon
You were the one who talked about it, I just completely blanked
exotic wave
also hilarious had a massive impact on JRPGs
hexed stream
You were the one who talked about it, I just completely blanked
yeah right, as if the implication was not clear enough
exotic wave
"if it ain't from DQ, look at Ys" is a good thing
sand wigeon
yeah right, as if the implication was not clear enough
What implication?
exotic wave
so every time I need to limit the scope by saying something like diablo-like arp...
yes
sand wigeon
I just forgot it was ChaosGuy that talked about Ys to me
hexed stream
What implication?
the discussion started from poe2 builds
sand wigeon
Oh dude I wasn’t talking to you
exotic wave
minimap the genre existed for like 2 decades before D1 even existed
exotic wave
(we don't talk about 70s era ARPGs tho)
sand wigeon
also hilarious had a massive impact on JRPGs
I still need to get around to playing Octopath Traveler 2 ngl
exotic wave
(we don't talk about 70s era games)
hexed stream
minimap the genre existed for like 2 decades before D1 even existed
like what? a genre with tons of builds, tons of items that enhance and define builds?
sand wigeon
I loved the first, but gods are games expensive
exotic wave
I mean...
sand wigeon
like what? a genre with tons of builds, tons of items that enhance and define bu...
this is like saying doom 1 isn’t an fps
sand wigeon
I loved the first, but gods are games expensive
I have Collection of Mana and quite a few Fire Emblem and Etrian Odyssey games on switch tho
hexed stream
nobody in d4 or poe forum will ever call KH4 an arpg for example
exotic wave
meanwhile trying to not call LoZ 2 an ARPG is madness
exotic wave
nobody in d4 or poe forum will ever call KH4 an arpg for example
only people who are weirdly possessive over a genre title that isn't theirs
hexed stream
and it's fine if diablo-like community and the other communities define arpg differently
hexed stream
only people who are weirdly possessive over a genre title that isn't theirs
tribalism is real and expanding
exotic wave
as in that exact term
sand wigeon
live a little
hexed stream
the genre still existed for at least a decade pre-Diablo
again, which genre?
sand wigeon
arpg
hexed stream
diablo-like?
sand wigeon
action role-playing game
exotic wave
"Action Role Playing Game"
sand wigeon
the least defined genre ever
hexed stream
so it's still not diablo-like right?
sand wigeon
which is why this convo is pointless
hexed stream
as long as it's not diablo-like
sand wigeon
so it's still not diablo-like right?
it was
sand wigeon
this is like saying that something isn’t an fps it’s a boomer shooter
one term is more applicable and defining
exotic wave
^
sand wigeon
but one is still the other
hexed stream
sure, coz being semantic helps
sand wigeon
it’s just for ease of understanding my guy
exotic wave
This is like complaining kart racer is a genre
hexed stream
there's no ease of understanding, just more confusion
sand wigeon
If I call Ultrakill a movement-based boomer shooter, what the game is comes across a lot clearer than just calling it a first person shooter
twilit mountain
I'm gonna ask once more, why do you guys still argue with this dude? It's like talking to a brick wall every single time lol
exotic wave
anyways which Etrian Odyssey did you get started with?
sand wigeon
I think so yeah
exotic wave
Want a free tip?
hexed stream
so again, when poe2 and arpg are mentioned together in the same talk, what are the reasons people should think about non diablo-like arpg?
sand wigeon
One day I’d like to play P5 again, but I played it off gamepass so I can’t rn
twilit mountain
I bought the 1-3 remasters on Switch a while back, she's started on those. My first was 4 but I went back to play the rest of the main series and 5 later. Have not played outside the main though.
exotic wave
that will pay off in like STratum 3?
sand wigeon
Yeah sure
sand wigeon
REALLY?
exotic wave
Yeah
sand wigeon
That’s an actual genuine good thing to do?
hexed stream
and why again, is the combat actually more important than the item chasing in this genre
sand wigeon
That is so funny lmao
twilit mountain
Imma go back to modding Balatro now
exotic wave
||Strength up is a 300% multiplier and then Caudecus is a move with 270% when most skills cap at like 200 or less||
hexed stream
there should be a good reason to convince the majority to change their mind right?
exotic wave
read that spoiler for math
sand wigeon
Imma go back to modding Balatro now
Cryptid?
sand wigeon
||Strength up is a 300% multiplier and then Caudecus is a move with 270% when mo...
DAMN
exotic wave
or don't to be surprised at level of damage later lol
hexed stream
otherwise they will just keep on with their way
exotic wave
For reference "Strength up" is usually 120%
or 1110%
for another thing
Immunize reduces ELEMENT damsage not ELEMETNAL
hexed stream
and thinking that this is mostly how the genre should be played
sand wigeon
Yea
Tell me if it’s good
Despite not playing a ton base Balatro is kinda stale for me rn
exotic wave
and know that slash/pierce/bash are elements
sand wigeon
I might ask you to mod mine
hexed stream
so it's important that the freedom to let people play how they want to should be there
sand wigeon
and know that slash/pierce/bash are elements
Interesting way of handling it
hexed stream
instead of forcing a foreign doctrine on them
sand wigeon
The map system is pretty cool, too, though it definitely would’ve worked better on 3DS
sand wigeon
The switch controls are a little awkward
exotic wave
because Immunize agian reduces "element" and EOV has a class that transfers the previous "Element" of the last skill to your current one
OH RIGHT
hybrid moves
(such as slash/fire)
hit the WORSE resist
sand wigeon
THAT’S BUSTED
hexed stream
anyway, it's just weird that you can't accept there are builds not at all relying on ms mod on boots
exotic wave
(Ie if they have say -50% fire and 100% slash it'll hit -50%)
sand wigeon
And antithetical to split damage in everything else I’ve played
hexed stream
although it seems so obvious to even casuals coming from d4
exotic wave
yeah
sand wigeon
In souls-likes you usually just have two different damage sources and it results in lower damage
sand wigeon
That’s really cool, I much prefer that system
exotic wave
but it's also why its rare as hell
oh and uh
enchanting only effects basic attacks
or very specific skills
(don't think any in EO1)
hexed stream
so I'll say, as long as you can maintain lowlife status while being full or near full life, that boots is perfect
hexed stream
until they fix mf, but I doubt they will ever, coz many people point out mf is just fine
exotic wave
Also don't be afraid of items
items 100% can replace healers
hell I can't remember the last time I took a medic-archetype
Uh... I think my next EOV run?
hexed stream
also, queen of the forest pconc build was already fixed in the patch today, still fast but damage lowered by a lot
exotic wave
because the medic archetype in that game gets overhealing letting them function as tanks
Oh that's another thing, AFTER EO 1
And especially starting in EO 3
hexed stream
so the number of builds that can clear offscreen are not that many anymore, and will slowly diminish
exotic wave
you don't need the "1 Tank, 1-2 Support (including healer), 2-3 DPS" default standard
hexed stream
powers among builds will never be equal, but at least it should not be an astronomical gap between the 2 ends
exotic wave
proper team comp matters more than making sure every box is checked
in fact proper set ups are usually "weaker"
EO1 is... different
because your tank is a solid damage dealer (paladin)
sand wigeon
I think I had two tanks, one phys dps, one mage and one healer
exotic wave
your medic is like the 3rd best damage dealer (medic)
sand wigeon
For the start
exotic wave
and your support (Troubadour) is just stupidly good in EO1
nah the only tank in EO1 is paladin
hexed stream
but still, hard to see why a certain ascendancy not being fast on its own is important
exotic wave
or whatever it's called now
hexed stream
or rather, the uniqueness of classes and ascendancies
twilit mountain
I might ask you to mod mine
It's a bit of a pain, there's no standard modloader like other games so you have to manually do most of it
exotic wave
well... I guess Immunize makes Medic best tank
sand wigeon
It's a bit of a pain, there's no standard modloader like other games so you have...
Tbf I’m used to manual modding
exotic wave
w/ boost Immunize is 80% damage reduction
sand wigeon
Though it’d be nice to have a separate profile
exotic wave
level 10 no-boost is 65% lol
sand wigeon
So I can keep achievement hunting on my main
sand wigeon
w/ boost Immunize is 80% damage reduction
HOLY
twilit mountain
Good god.
hexed stream
so anyway, these builds not relying on ms will exist until they don't, who knows what dev has in their mind and how much they are willing to make concession to players
exotic wave
yeah... Immunize is balanced around the true final boss (spoilers for an insanely story light RPG I guess)
and then they forgot you can get level 10 immunize+cauducues at level 30...
hexed stream
there are many influential voices now than back when they made poe1
fierce moth
lol holy god the pity is this is 1st floor only
hexed stream
50% reduced merchant price first before anything else
exotic wave
oh as for your paladin, by the time you hit endgame, you will need the elementl walls at 5
(and don't feel shy about investing in an attack skill for them, sure they're not Medic levels of "why is my support character outdamaging most of the dps?" but it's still good stuff)
hexed stream
lol holy god the pity is this is 1st floor only
still doing sanctum? I thought you got your ascendancy points already?
exotic wave
And if/when you hit EO 2 hit me up
EO 2 requires some... explaining
there were... decisions made with that game
and literally none of them reappear
.>
hexed stream
still can't figure out why infernalist needs ms, at least when I played it, I equipped a boots with max es/mf/res with no ms at all and don't feel the game being slowed down at all
and gosh, flurry at 600 dex moves even faster than queen of the forest, and clear level 82 breach like nobody's business
but that will most likely end in the next 1-2 months when EA league resets
this year is wild for diablo-like arpg genre
shut ferry
My damage
@fierce moth I realise..you're weaker than 1 of my skeletal sniper( just kidding )
hexed stream
the fix to minion resummoning when out of range must have helped a lot right?
shut ferry
Ye
hexed stream
was the big reason I gave up on dd blood mage, but maybe I should give some attention to it again
shut ferry
Now i dont have to wait for 5 secs to move
Really fast clear with this
Blood mage #1 on hardcode died today due to arbiter fight
Damn he's 99
hexed stream
boss corpse exploded?
shut ferry
Ye, need to get close to him, blink out too far = he will cast fireball
You not get in the circle in time = you die in 1 hit
exotic wave
and in phase 2 he's spamming that AND doing other mechanics
often on top of each other
it really does just turn into a dps race
hexed stream
reminding me of lilith in earlier time of d4, when no build had that dps yet
shut ferry
To me, i don't need to dodge those phase lol
exotic wave
Fair but why bother risking it when he has one-shots, just wipe him out before he does anything?
shut ferry
That's what i do, never let him had a chance to use those one shots phases
Now arbiter is a lot easier..we can resurrekt teammie
hexed stream
and 6 portals
exotic wave
well yeah the retries are because arbiter is 100% a one-shot fest
you either fail a circle or win
shut ferry
I wasted like 5-6 sets of burning monolith to know him
exotic wave
^
also speaking of wacky shit
do you know GGG doesn't want you to do multiplayer?
if you need proof go look at boss hp scaling per person in mp
fierce moth
Do it worth advanced forging?
hexed stream
I hate multiplayer mf bonus, like, as if the synergy between different builds and the presence of aurabot are not enough
hexed stream
Do it worth advanced forging?
4k gold
fierce moth
alright
shut ferry
if you need proof go look at boss hp scaling per person in mp
Verified, it's madly increase lol
exotic wave
isn't it 200%?
hexed stream
not 50% per extra player?
trade site is down again, wtf
I suspect poe2 trade site is made of potato
fierce moth
Holyyyyy god... i pass 3nd floor for the first time!!!!
exotic wave
not 50% per extra player?
lolno
it's probably meant to balance out the free MF
but regardless it's vastly more
hexed stream
I hope they remove the free mf and scale down the difficulty as well, coz top builds in a party will still gonna trivialize the penalty while dominating the market
fierce moth
I 'm going to meet the trailmaster for the first time yooooooooooo i'm excited
hexed stream
trialmaster? but you're doing sanctum
fierce moth
i mean the final boss
candid sage
you still need to survive the 4th floor. lol
fierce moth
lol it's expected if I'm failed
exotic wave
yeah belive me, trailmaster would be far easier than what you're about to go through
fierce moth
🫡 Take a screenshot before i start the fight
fierce moth
?...Oh I still need to pass the whole floor before I see the final boss...alright i'm happy too early
exotic wave
game, explain thyself
exotic wave
Right now not in game
shut ferry
Man this game is so gud
fierce moth
....holy god the trap in the last floor is super crazy
shut ferry
Ye
hexed stream
I think I juiced my stone citadel map a bit too hard
exotic wave
*not hard enough
hexed stream
lucky no deadly mod, but still fully juiced with delirium, does it affect the boss?
fierce moth
....
Killed by a cannon monster
monsters in the last floor just crazy on damage and skills
shut ferry
lucky no deadly mod, but still fully juiced with delirium, does it affect the bo...
Never juice your citadel with delirium
Delirious will affect the b oss
exotic wave
^
hexed stream
😭
exotic wave
that's the only thing you shouldn't do
hexed stream
fk me
shut ferry
You gonna wish you shouldn't do that
exotic wave
in fact for boss maps it's more important to +level it than anything
hexed stream
gonna be failing this map then, at least I dropped a div from it
hexed stream
in fact for boss maps it's more important to +level it than anything
irradiated?
exotic wave
there's another that adds +level but I'm blanking
hexed stream
and to make it worse, I don't have the unique mana flask
exotic wave
but yes you should do both
fierce moth
Only mana affix let this helmet away from perfect
Nothing is changed after the tiara is corrupted, I want double sockets...
hexed stream
I'm more and more convinced that this gemling flurry build is just terrible at bossing
hexed stream
mana issue + MoM, in maps they can rely on mana on kill but in boss, it's a deadly combo
shut ferry
Its game balance, clear map fast = no good effect on bossing
hexed stream
then there's archmage spark
or LA deadeye that can kill boss with lightning rod, or is it conduit?
blissful token
been a while
shut ferry
Dont get addicted to that sound
hexed stream
anyone ever heard the sound of mirror?
junior oyster
Use your filter to hide low tier gems
fierce moth
7 sapphires are waiting costumers to bring them away after I sold the first one with 1d 🤔
but no one buy them... 🙃
junior oyster
Also hide regal shards
fierce moth
i guess my amulet not worth 20e, 15e only?
hexed stream
time to sell out my gemling, I suddenly want to play another build lol
exotic wave
Also Path of Build 2 when?!
junior oyster
10 years later
exotic wave
then we could just link builds
exotic wave
i guess my amulet not worth 20e, 15e only?
eh, +/- some mods are better, some are worse
probably could still sell it for 20, but 15e would be a faster sell
shut ferry
i guess my amulet not worth 20e, 15e only?
Time to use soulkore, not the normal rune
fierce moth
Time to use soulkore, not the normal rune
what's soulkore?
fierce moth
time to sell out my gemling, I suddenly want to play another build lol
what's gemling?
desert jasper
The other mercenary ascendancy
hexed stream
Highly recommend fubgun low budget bow build
first I gotta sell the 45d jewel I bought yesterday
the only item I'll keep is ingenuity, sell the rest maybe
sell nothing for 4 days already
hexed stream
the build seems hot, already sold 8d
shut ferry
@hexed stream @fierce moth
Or anyone here want to do untained paradise map ( x10 exp ) Come to me
Good exp for you
hexed stream
me, just nice for leveling, but do I need to follow? only level 2
shut ferry
No sure if you can get exp or not
But surely Kirra does
I think you can get exp from my party after level 68+
hexed stream
I think need to adjust this setting for powerleveling
fierce moth
It's Fane or minimap? I'm confused...
oh minimap... ok I just don't know what the case is lol
@junior oyster do you want to party together?
....what that guy is doing
hexed stream
@fierce moth please invite me again
fierce moth
I'm confused who are these again
hexed stream
I'm confused who are these again
his friends
for a good map like that you want to pull exp for as many people as possible
fierce moth
lol, he have so many friends...
hexed stream
How to set up
change to enabled
it's in GAME tab
lol, no way
no powerleveling allowed
shut ferry
Rip
hexed stream
have fun guys
fierce moth
....
shut ferry
Rip kirra died lol
fierce moth
Too insane. what happened with my game...emmm
shut ferry
At least you level up
fierce moth
Maybe i should restart the game... do you have any experienced maps else?
Thanks, I sold one of my wands finally...
ohhhh 1d in my wallet now
...Ok I'm sure it's a new bug now
shut ferry
shut ferry
Maybe i should restart the game... do you have any experienced maps else?
Will let you know if i found one, and minimap after he finish campaign
Same map with the ventor ring...
exotic wave
so in short don't play it got it
fierce moth
<@&1161418687471956101>
I get double nice gears finally xd
🤤 the body armour get three sockets luckily hhhhh
Ok I can get a good sleep
mental talon
Finally I can play the game.
https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/releases
twilit mountain
It's a tad cooked, might wanna give it a few days to get ironed out
narrow token
Is that a game fix?
exotic wave
it's the build program for PoE
think like how this game has lastepochtools
but rather than being a website it's an offline program
it also doesn't like summons or on-kill effects
mental talon
It's a tad cooked, might wanna give it a few days to get ironed out
Yeah I've been messing around for an hour with what I've got at least and have been able to math out some things that I "suspected" should be good and no longer have to go "Idk man I just feel it in my bones"
exotic wave
(or at least explode enemies on kill)
I did manage to get a 0.6s cast time flameblast so far
without absolute capping
(so probably 0.4 min)
(for 10 stacks)
hexed stream
Finally I can play the game.
https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfB...
the real game begins
hexed stream
but I'll install it on a later date, planning to fresh install my windows on a new ssd soon
portable or setup?
hexed stream
I finally sold the darn jewel, rich now
fierce moth
I still waiting that
fierce moth
DId they buff the drop rate
no, because your buff your maps hard
shut ferry
no, because your buff your maps hard
Do you want ritual atlas point
fierce moth
Alright, my fate.
fierce moth
Do you want ritual atlas point
Not useful now because of my poor max mana
kill bosses is a hard thing
shut ferry
Worry no, i one shot him
fierce moth
I want to one shot bosses too
hexed stream
not sure if spark build can
fierce moth
oh show level of skill gem now, cool
fierce moth
Ok i can evade its tornados but fail at its blood wind lol
fierce moth
🫠 Stupid myself on i get the best roll on bosses but i can be slain by the dragon in room 8
hexed stream
I see not many spark guides using lightning rod anoint, wonder why
fierce moth
what's lightning rod aniont?...
shut ferry
they vaal it on amulet => get + 1 skill
fierce moth
lol i'm funny
I have no inpression on i have added someone on trade one month ago
... I have purchased a +6 lightning skills staff from the market?... When i did this thing...
fierce moth
they vaal it on amulet => get + 1 skill
then it's explained itself. More lightning skill levels
... i heard this term for the first time
5d on market at least and 10 results only 🤭
hexed stream
this spark build I follow is weird, bow and quiver
I call it bowspark
@fierce moth if you pick up white stellar amulet, sell it, don't use, 40-50ex each
shut ferry
I chanced 100+ stellar, no astra
junior oyster
I'd rather gamba than sell the expensive bases
shut ferry
Yeah
The feeling when you succesfully chance something is boom, that gonna make me orgasm
hexed stream
I feel I have better luck dropping astra from a random white mob at map corner than chance for it
fierce moth
<@584198957962493954> if you pick up white stellar amulet, sell it, don't use, 4...
😅 all of my stellar is rare unfrortunately
Players who own a Astramentis Stellar Amulet is super rich or will unber rich...
junior oyster
Came back to poe and insta rewarded lol
hexed stream
Can't wait for my weird bowspark build to come online
fierce moth
Came back to poe and insta rewarded lol
poe, not poe 2?
junior oyster
poe2
fierce moth
what the sense of convert max honour to 1?
junior oyster
He drops a really op armour
twilit mountain
what the sense of convert max honour to 1?
It's how you get Temporalis.
junior oyster
Although it has been nerfed a little now
twilit mountain
Yeah. It's still pretty busted though.
hexed stream
This is the sole reason temporalis is expensive, not exactly coz it's OP (it is) but it's so hard to farm
I assume evasion build has the greatest advantage here right?
junior oyster
I freaking hate illfated explorers man
They are like burning ground but leave even bigger puddles
Oh ofc in this map we also have burning ground lol
fierce moth
It's how you get Temporalis.
you mean I must equip that relic to pass the whole trial and kill the final boss to get that silk robe, and the robe not 100% chance to drop?
hexed stream
you mean I must equip that relic to pass the whole trial and kill the final boss...
100% chance
But good luck not getting hit a single time
twilit mountain
you mean I must equip that relic to pass the whole trial and kill the final boss...
It is 100% chance to drop, it's just incredibly difficult to do.
junior oyster
Just the incence relic is worth over 100d
shut ferry
I hate sanctum so I'd never do it lol
Same...
twilit mountain
I farmed Sanctum during Necro Settlers. Somehow, Sekhema is worse in every single way.
junior oyster
It's better to farm chaos to me
Yep I loved my first trialmaster kill, got asc points and on top of that I dropped a 98% adorned diamond lol
junior oyster
At the time it was going for 80d so I sold for 85d
I should have held on but wanted the money kinda quick lol
shut ferry
If i were you i would also sell, need to upgrade gears so xD
junior oyster
Yep
fierce moth
....Just a bit then I can evade the tornado and survive in the last room... but I'm stuck on here and can't move damn
....I can't pass here linearly because the tiny stone?!
the tornado catched up me when I'm confusing why I can't move
junior oyster
Second one of the day
fierce moth
Second one of the day
How many rarity items chance on your gears?
fierce moth
I guess this is a trash sceptre?
hexed stream
Now I start to understand why widowhail and quiver are used for spark archmage, it's so cheap compared to expensive lightning wand and focus. Bossing sucks but still clears maps like a god, and instead of clearing 2 screens away in standard version, this version clears 5 screens away
junior oyster
How many rarity items chance on your gears?
About 110%+
shut ferry
After 50+ runs.....
fierce moth
😅 It's appeared really
shut ferry
I think you should sell, don't chance
At right now you need to avoid any kind of gambling
min max your gears first
fierce moth
About 110%+
alright... Then my gears are... Trash on item rarity. 25% only because i want to survive at first
fierce moth
I think you should sell, don't chance
lol how are you know i get a orb of chance in the same map...
twilit mountain
lol how are you know i get a orb of chance in the same map...
We can see it in the screenshot
fierce moth
Bad news: It's broken by chance
twilit mountain
Never lucky :c
shut ferry
Lol this prism of belief
fierce moth
I'm buying maps after i learnt I'm never lucky on map crafting too
shut ferry
I listed it for 5d for a very long time. nobody buy, then i switch to 105d, and then i have a buyer ?
fierce moth
it's a good thing
fierce moth
I can give you a lot
I want t15 normal maps with both of them
Normal means rare only, no enchant
I can't survive in t14 enchanted maps even
😱 pog I'm doubt Bjorn blessed these maps.
All normal maps(3) become rare maps which include rarity of items affixes, one of them reach 100% even
junior oyster
Do you wanna join me for some maps? If my pc is stable enough we might be able to duo
fierce moth
Do you wanna join me for some maps? If my pc is stable enough we might be able t...
I suppose it's not pc issue... Internet issue... The latery jumps up and down within 200-400 ms all the time when we're in a map
junior oyster
It got really laggy?
fierce moth
Maybe i connect the net booster for too long time. I can re-connect that
shut ferry
I suppose it's not pc issue... Internet issue... The latery jumps up and down wi...
I think its' PC issue
Whenever i go with spark build my pc can't handle T_T
fierce moth
😂 ......But the case is main damage come from fire damge of your minions, not my spark
junior oyster
Hey I'm not sure about that but I'm technically a good support with my pain offering skill
Also assuming spark is a projectile skill then flame wall boosts your damage too
fierce moth
200+ - 500+ ms kills me mainly
junior oyster
Btw if you want we can do some more maps tomorrow
Might choose easier mods for you
fierce moth
I'm better on inernet issue when i'm party with Bjorn because both of us can use HK realm
junior oyster
Yea uk and hk are kinda far xD
Sold this for 2d
Not sure if it was worth more or less but I'm glad with making some profit xD
fierce moth
all of my sapphires are waiting buyers as 15e
fervent hazel
i found a high lvl gem. can place it in my weapon or torso later for more dmg/absorb
hexed stream
Lol this prism of belief
+3 to a popular build can easily have that price
hexed stream
I listed it for 5d for a very long time. nobody buy, then i switch to 105d, and ...
Experienced players won't click on too cheap prices, assuming it's most likely a scam anyway
The 105d is +3 to what skill?
hexed stream
I want t15 normal maps with both of them
No madam, your ultimate map is both quant/rarity and number of rare monsters
ebon meadow
poggies its have been done
narrow token
Attention fellow nerds!!
I have made it to cruel.
I am umm
Not doing well
More news at 11
Stay tuned
shut ferry
The 105d is +3 to what skill?
Barrage
hexed stream
Anyone playing d4 new season?
blissful token
man i hate willow map
all these trees, hill terrain
the map overlap is like full of potholes
and because of the uneven ground, i am not sure if my grenades are rolling downhill
hexed stream
Kinda hesitate to play d4 this season, but the new unique items look juicy hmm
blissful token
do you guys regal strongboxes? or you cant?
shut ferry
alchemy it
visual pulsar
Kinda hesitate to play d4 this season, but the new unique items look juicy hmm
I'm going to play it but it will get boring in like 10-20 hours
blizzard needs to get up off their lazy assess and give meaningful end game content
blissful token
my first ever perfect jew orb drops from a T1 tower map lmao
visual pulsar
I got one at lvl 30
I almost died 😄
maybe it was a greater
one of those higher ones
hexed stream
I'm going to play it but it will get boring in like 10-20 hours
Gonna try 2 builds: bone spear blood wave and the new wolf nado, or is that wolf hurricane
visual pulsar
Gonna try 2 builds: bone spear blood wave and the new wolf nado, or is that wolf...
I'm going to play the most overpowered build since spirtborn last season
They really don't know how to balance well
I just do the full seasonal journey then quit
Nothing else to do after that
hexed stream
Not gonna touch that class for quite some time, too OP for my taste
fierce moth
No madam, your ultimate map is both quant/rarity and number of rare monsters
that're not cheap and more rare then hhhh
hexed stream
Yeah, I have only 8-10 of such maps
fierce moth
I have farmed a map included rarity item chance and increase rare enemies with @junior oyster last night, holy god... More rare enemies, more loots is the truth
I understand why they never lack of t15 waystones after I saw how Fane farm gears
blissful token
damn i cant price check this
there is only one similar one in the market and priced at 100d
i dont believe it
fierce moth
Yeah, I have only 8-10 of such maps
and the question is you can't feel any difference if 28%- 32% increased rare enemies only
I still impressive on how amazing the map is when it own 125% increase rare enemies... the map like a vault then
XD no one is selling a map like this even
the max is 103% as you see
fierce moth
there is only one similar one in the market and priced at 100d
hope you get 50d by that then
blissful token
nah i removed some line in the checker
priced it at 5d
if it worth that much, i be bombarded with pings
but nope
fierce moth
Find the price is hard... I want to know how many exalted orbs i should list for my sapphires...the ssame affixes, different rolls then it can from 5e to 1d
shut ferry
damn i cant price check this
Nobody play shield, so this can't be sold 😦
blissful token
sadge
shut ferry
Speaking of quantity and rarity....
fierce moth
xd only me have a sapphire like that!?
hexed stream
xd only me have a sapphire like that!?
Definitely shouldn't select the minion mod, it has nothing to do with the other 3 mods
fierce moth
😮💨 double times to be slain by that bird witch, punch and chill
blissful token
how hard is 4th ascendance?
fierce moth
super hard for both of trials
junior oyster
I have farmed a map included rarity item chance and increase rare enemies with <...
Waystones drop chance isn't so much to do with rarity than it is to do with waystone drop chance as a suffix
junior oyster
Nobody play shield, so this can't be sold 😦
I do but mine has chaos res so I can't give it up lol
junior oyster
how hard is 4th ascendance?
As long as you can kill the nado bird and don't take any ridiculous mods in trial of chaos that trial is pretty easy imo
If you manage to finish room 10 you will need to repeat trial until you get all three keys needed to fight trialmaster
Or after finishing room 10 teleport out and buy the keys from in game trade
And then teleport back in and kill trialmaster
I'll be honest for me trialmaster is easier than izaro lol
fierce moth
😱 !!!!!!! Mana!!!!!
visual pulsar
I need to start getting flat es and 100% energy shield on my items
that mana is really good for sorc
fierce moth
sigh both of them is ruined by chaos orbs
Alright I don't use chaos orbs on anything next time
damn bad luck on crafting...
ohhhh my dear divine orb is appeared finally
junior oyster
Nice but you need to hide stuff like armourers scrap
shut ferry
my first logbook drop
shut ferry
Nice but you need to hide stuff like armourers scrap
Dont hide it, right now im still picking up the items for quality along with iron rune
visual pulsar
damn bad luck on crafting...
Crafting it too rng right now
But they are going to add stuff over time to make it better
visual pulsar
my first logbook drop
I love expedition
junior oyster
Dont hide it, right now im still picking up the items for quality along with iro...
I just can't be bothered lol
I hate too much clutter
fierce moth
my first logbook drop
wow you're more rich too!
fierce moth
I just find a combo of omen lol Add perfix/ add suffix only
visual pulsar
Yea I love those
shut ferry
I just can't be bothered lol
But i think skipping them also ok... they're cheap on alva
visual pulsar
I just use filterblade it's the best
Then when I hit the end game I use a more strict filter
visual pulsar
I use a pretty tame version of it when leveling
just keep switching over time
I'm pretty excited for the content patch coming next
should be kinda soon
shut ferry
Lets' discuss about filter
fierce moth
No results? emmmm
junior oyster
Filterblade uber strict
fierce moth
thanks for introduction
shut ferry
filterblade is ok, you can cuztomize it for good use
fierce moth
yeah I can customize my filter finally
hexed stream
I use filterblade uber strict, and hide all armors with armor on it (pun intended)
hexed stream
Was about to say that
Armourers scraps are not cheap though
And also don't drop often enough to clutter the screen
junior oyster
Yea I'm gunna enable armourers and artificers
fierce moth
Max level of all skill gems finally
hexed stream
How much is level 20 uncut?
shut ferry
Maximum stats
visual pulsar
god damn thats nice
hexed stream
But the maxroll is not particularly important right?
I need to buy this flask anyway, any MoM build needs this
shut ferry
Ye, no need at maxroll, we can use min roll and sell the good roll
Mine is 239, usable
Idk why people spend 10+ divs to get max roll, no difference
hexed stream
Perfectionist
junior oyster
Same
visual pulsar
I really haven't played that much so my spirit is garbage atm
junior oyster
I'm not sure it was worth the 5d but I still liked my purchase
junior oyster
Don't need armour lol
junior oyster
Fairly decent upgrade over my previous shield imo
hexed stream
it will get fixed soonish
Not until next EA league I think
visual pulsar
Yea that is going to happen sooner than we think probably
content patch will have a league reset
they said it's next
junior oyster
Ngl not a big fan of reset but it is what it is
visual pulsar
you don't have to play the league but most people will go to it
there will be a standard one everyone goes to with current chars
I like the resets in arpgs keeps the game fresh especially ones that bring in meaninful content like poe does
junior oyster
Yea me too but not for EA lol
visual pulsar
I plan on making the new chars anyways they will be coming with the new content
so might as well do it in a league reset 😄
druid and huntress are next
should be fun
junior oyster
I'm a necro through and through
ebon meadow
i leveled a wrong character xdd , no i have a spare infernalist
end me 
i forgot there were sorc apart from witch
visual pulsar
sorc is pretty fun I like it
junior oyster
Infernalist should have been a sorc asc
visual pulsar
might still be
we will see how it plays out in the rest of ea
they could just remove it completely we have no idea lol
I'm super happy with the game and it's not even close to being done can't wait to see what's next
ebon meadow
Next is to fix sliding and wasd kicking in on mouse option
My char keeps surfing and it's weird
ebon meadow
Well if u click to move the mechanics still moves u facing the direction like wasd
Feels like there's some weird interaction with cast wile moving
fierce moth
How much is level 20 uncut?
No idea, but I just got a max quality and level spark by 215e XD
junior oyster
I've still yet to get my gems to 5L
fierce moth
I hope someone can buy my past spark gem now (12% quanltiy one)
junior oyster
Is level 19 with 6l?
visual pulsar
I've still yet to get my gems to 5L
There is a handy trick get it to 4l and then use a vaal orb on it
Cheaper 😄
junior oyster
Doesn't always work
visual pulsar
I did it 3 times and it worked 2 😄
junior oyster
Also i meant to say 6l
junior oyster
But it's kinda risk with level 20 gems
visual pulsar
yea it's risky but enjoyable
visual pulsar
I don't even know how many d I have with everything
I need wealthyexile to update
have to wait for the stash api to get released though
hexed stream
No idea, but I just got a max quality and level spark by 215e XD
divine inflation again?
junior oyster
Meanwhile mirrors have gone down
Not that I can afford a mirror or anything remotely close
hexed stream
I heard a rumor of mirror duping going on
hexed stream
I hope every map is either dunes/jungle valley or strand/atoll
don't give a damn about diversity and variety
visual pulsar
Looks.. juicy
it has 6 things nice
fierce moth
divine inflation again?
yeah i catch up a good time
fierce moth
Looks.. juicy
and I'm slain when Fane doing expedition... Such a pity
the biggest trouble for me is be avoid to be stuck
junior oyster
I think your issue is you go in the mobs instead of attacking from far
But also lag might be a problem too
fierce moth
Minion builds just the king of skill visual effects... nowhere is clear to see once skeletons spreads their flames everywhere
junior oyster
During breach/exped I tend to lag like crazy
fierce moth
the same
junior oyster
GGG needs to make it so we can tone down these visuals
hexed stream
GGG needs to make it so we can tone down these visuals
you bet
I say never
coz skill mtx
fierce moth
An example is I can't see any skill reminders from enemies under skeleton army's flame... Then high risk to be slain suddenly
ebon meadow
Looks.. juicy
Touching grass in game huh
fierce moth
Touching grass in game huh
?
fierce moth
... yeah I don't understand which joke is it
fierce moth
damn I just know my data can't save without log in filterblade
all of my data edit on web is gone after i click export to poe :(
i spent 1h on that then they're just disappeared... what the hell
hexed stream
save and sync, always
fierce moth
Sxit
i don't want to do them again because i forget which color i picked before so i must do them from zero
i want to kill the web now
stupid loot filter... bad GGG just don't want to make a official one and players must spent a lot if they want to custom their filters
These highlight retangles just looks stupid 🫠
junior oyster
Why care about colours lol
shut ferry
An example is I can't see any skill reminders from enemies under skeleton army's...
Not my skelies
My skelies are the most friendly to partial member
zero elemental effect
hexed stream
Why care about colours lol
as an artist
shut ferry
Any of you need ritual atlas point ? i have audience with the king which i can provide you to get free atlas point
junior oyster
I do but I'd prefer to find it myself
hexed stream
Any of you need ritual atlas point ? i have audience with the king which i can p...
I always need but I don't think I can go with you yet
need to finish act 6 I think
shut ferry
anytime, i have a lot of audiences
but with only 1 condition, belt drops and it's belong to me
hexed stream
yup, that's more than understandable, the free ritual points are more than enough
shut ferry
Let me know when you finish campaign
hexed stream
middle of act 3, so will take long
fierce moth
lol double annulment orbs drops suddenly
fierce moth
Why care about colours lol
Size, scales, colours, fonts, frames.
None of them match with the game so they're ugly
junior oyster
Well at least hide stuff you don't care about like regal shards
hexed stream
I don't consider things like match with the game, because by matching with the game, divine should have the same color as augmentation, and that is shit design
fierce moth
I just lack of a mirror now
fierce moth
Well at least hide stuff you don't care about like regal shards
yeah i just want to hide things... I don't want any highlight
hexed stream
that's not possible, no highlight is almost equal to 2 things: missing out loots, or slow down a game a lot just to check them carefully
default loots have terrible colors, too easy to blend in with environment
timid canyon
how do I add my stream to the #🔴┃livestream-shoutout ? Or is that something the mods do with the creator program?
fierce moth
emmmm...
😆 Maybe I should list it as a mirror?
First time to meet a case that my item is better than every selling items
shut ferry
That should be 8-10d
Check listing date
You don' want an item that last for more than 1 day
hexed stream
spark leveling is so bad against the viper boss
hexed stream
fk, 10 deaths to viper boss already
fierce moth
Such a pity that 11 fire resistance down my price :(
shut ferry
Why did you corrupt it
fierce moth
Why did you corrupt it
Want to get double sockets
vagrant topaz
how do I add my stream to the <#414298993091280896> ? Or is that something the m...
It should be picked up by the bot automatically
If its a LE Stream
junior oyster
Want to get double sockets
Not a good idea. Let the buyer do that.
fierce moth
This quartstaff... it's bad? No. It's excellent? No.
shut ferry
Sometime i wonder.. is it right to talk about poe2 too much in here.. it's their LE thread 😦
desert jasper
It's Off-topic so it's fine
hexed stream
exactly, offtopic
hexed stream
nah, in 2 days
shut ferry
I think nobody play d4
it became trash last league, p2w
spiritporn stronger than other classes x100 time
hexed stream
you underestimate how many people are totally done with poe2 until the next EA league
I expect no less than 1mil players into upcoming d4 season
there's no competition around when d4 season starts
also, spiritborn has been nerfed badly, in the patch note
next season will probably be season of necro and druid
junior oyster
Honestly I feel the opposite lol
hexed stream
same, I don't feel any fun with LE
junior oyster
I mean it also has bland skill system but LE just feels incredibly boring and lifeless
hexed stream
yes, but it doesn't matter, d4 is for the casual players to get immersed in class fantasy, it's not about item system, complex item system is anti casual
LE item system is only fun if you play solely on LEtools, but the actual gameplay is boring
fierce moth
more boring than lost epoch 😦
I agree
want to get the best experience on storytelling? play d4
want something else? bad d4
junior oyster
I don't even care for d4 story
D4 gameplay and the casual aspect makes it waaaay better than le
hexed stream
I cared, for the 1st time
junior oyster
I cared till the way lilith just killed the angel guy. That was a pathetic death lol
opal flower
Well maybe y'all should go find a D4 chat then
hexed stream
nah, is this subchannel banning d4 discussion?
junior oyster
Well maybe y'all should go find a D4 chat then
it's #📚┃off-topic chill
hexed stream
@junior oyster what class you gonna start?
shut ferry
I cared till the way lilith just killed the angel guy. That was a pathetic death...
Ye, Inarus isn
junior oyster
Dunno probably still going to play poe2
hexed stream
I'm gonna start with necro and see how this season goes, if not attractive I will rush season journey and move to d3
hexed stream
does some people's trade site never reset? I sold my item 2h ago and a person still dm me
fierce moth
because no contents update in le for a long time
Double types of people hyped about le still:
- Devs because they can make their game and know the latest cases
- New players because they know nothing about this game so want to explore around
twilit mountain
does some people's trade site never reset? I sold my item 2h ago and a person st...
API issues happen pretty often. There's also still some folks who use third party sites which are generally very behind.
junior oyster
hexed stream
I see
fierce moth
pog
twilit mountain
Tink
fierce moth
Never see one yet
junior oyster
You don't vaal them?
hexed stream
none
always run either quant/rarity or rare monsters maps, or both, and I fear vaal will change them
junior oyster
Sure but vaal can also make t16s which is what we really want lol
hexed stream
I don't particularly farm for level 20 gems, coz I run breach a lot, rare numbers and quant are the 2 most important things
hexed stream
lol, the -1
fierce moth
+7...