skill issue lol
#📚┃off-topic
sand wigeon
hexed stream
not until this issue is resolved
sand wigeon
is your ego so fragile you have to prove yourself right to a stranger online? that's sad
sand wigeon
like i said, pointless discussion, our bad kirra
sand wigeon
so basically, it mirrors your other ring
twilit mountain
Lol
hexed stream
a human doesn't simply surrender to fallacies
blissful token
how do you know if you have inserted a tablet into a tower, other than clicking every single tower
sand wigeon
a human doesn't simply surrender to fallacies
okay but i'm not human
i'm like. something WAY cooler
like a redwood tree
hexed stream
idk, human chops trees much more than trees chopping humans
sand wigeon
that's the way of nature, simply because nature deems us allowed to harvest its bounty doesn't mean it couldn't punish us for it
hexed stream
not until human masters the tech of terraforming though
sand wigeon
everything contributes to life, including those dead
sand wigeon
not until human masters the tech of terraforming though
i mean these are my religious beliefs so
not exactly arguing them
hexed stream
human as a race will always try to defy nature, or die trying
hexed stream
or dominate
sand wigeon
lol
hexed stream
anyway, pinky is useless
sand wigeon
yomih is so much fun
love this game
really good game if you like strategy or fighting games
hexed stream
upcoming patch they must allow rune replacement, it's ultra annoying
sand wigeon
really good game if you like strategy or fighting games
Two good matches to show off the game
How it works is that, during combat, you go frame by frame and choose actions to perform
And then, at the end, it compiles the fight into a full-speed fight to give these really cool fighting scenes
twilit mountain
My dude pulled out the Xesht slam
sand wigeon
Cowboy ||(base game)|| vs Executioner ||(modded character)||
sand wigeon
Cowboy ||(base game)|| vs Nakmuay ||(modded character)||
sand wigeon
(I lost this one, for context, IDK why it cuts off)
Here's another good one to show the game off.
Umbra ||(modded character)|| vs Staff Manager ||(modded character)||
The game has a really cool modding scene, it's awesome
twilit mountain
No way, Umbra from Warframe! /s
sand wigeon
Yes, cetainly, totally
viral galleon
this ring's stats is equal to the other ring you're wearing
fierce moth
damn good then...
hexed stream
lol, art of bargaining
vagrant topaz
Lol
junior oyster
lol, art of bargaining
I'd understand if he said 70 or something but wow 10ex lool
desert jasper
lul
blissful token
yo
twilit mountain
Looks like a dead instance to me
shut ferry
Never seen a T3 tablet
blissful token
🥹
junior oyster
Nice regal orb you got there
hexed stream
lol I just did the most expensive anoint in my poe2 life
cost 7div to anoint
and not even sure if it will work, or broken
candid sage
which one?
hexed stream
fast metabolism
and soul tether belt
ok, it works, and probably the only way it works
candid sage
oh damn. two sufferings
desert jasper
Got a div drop from killing... Draven? I think it was on cruel
The storm mages are nice
Just wish they had a bit better gear
Soon get skeletal priest too
and eye of winter for that sweet crit weakness
hexed stream
oh damn. two sufferings
and those are the cheaper ones of the anointment
fierce moth
emmmmm... 🤔
I like the orenge light version more than cyan light version to be honest lol
fierce moth
no one sell lv.20 uncut skill gems, interesting
lv.19 are available but needs 1d
lol the price just insane
hexed stream
lv.19 are available but needs 1d
definitely not 1d lol, I got tons of them but can't sell any
fierce moth
Own divide orbs are quite happy then
market price is 2d
do perfect jeweller's orb drop in t15 maps only?
twilit mountain
Nope. They can drop in T1s. They're just absurdly rare. Like, way rarer than they should reasonably be.
fierce moth
I only see lesser jeweller's orb all the time
twilit mountain
Yeah I get that. I've gotten a grand total of 7 greater drops in my whole playtime lol
fierce moth
make sense on why perfect jeweller's orb is much more expensive than divide orb
fierce moth
hah? Why this boss give me a book? (it's t15 map)
oh I can get 2 points per time I killed a boss in a t15 map?
But my build even hard to kill the boss under the lowest level
I feel this part is as similar as corruption system in le. Corruption influences difficulty of bosses in le
🤷♀️ even magic enemy can kill me easily. Their attack just stun me and never stop to attack so I don't have a chance to evade at all
I can kill the boss but can't avoid the miserable fate still
candid sage
tfw you get the you cannot be damaged in the next room when the next room is the boss
twilit mountain
tfw you get the you cannot be damaged in the next room when the next room is the...
Be warned, the little hourglass mechanic will still kill you if you fail
twilit mountain
oh I can get 2 points per time I killed a boss in a t15 map?
You get one book from a T15, another from T16, another from T16 + irradiated, and one more from T16 + irradiated + coalesced corruption. Then the last one comes from the pinnacle boss.
candid sage
Be warned, the little hourglass mechanic will still kill you if you fail
yup. totally expected.
twilit mountain
yup. totally expected.
I keep seeing people grab it and think the boss is free. And then I laugh when they die to that 
fierce moth
holy god...T15 isn't the max tier?!
I can confirm my build impossible to reach lv.90 then. Don't talk about lv.100 at first
twilit mountain
T15 is the max you can drop, you can only get T16s by throwing vaal orbs at T15s
fierce moth
I wonder who can more poor than me when lv.86, the duration that farming in t14-15 maps
I can't believe I do that really...100k views aaaaaaa
candid sage
I keep seeing people grab it and think the boss is free. And then I laugh when t...
I fully expect the worst from GGG tho. Rarely disappointed
twilit mountain
I fully expect the worst from GGG tho. Rarely disappointed
Based?
vapid junco
not a single rare with 90% mf
lucky in a sense 
azure stratus
1 month in. LE is better. april can't come fast enough
hexed stream
poor again
hexed stream
You get one book from a T15, another from T16, another from T16 + irradiated, an...
the 2nd and 3rd can still be t15 maps, as long as the monster levels are correct
tepid bolt
is it normal that i dont have any 4 support gem at lvl 75... i dropped a few vaal orb, and if i understand thats the only way to make gems go to 4 socket ? appart frome getting curencies
thats seems even more rare
viral galleon
currency exchange, you should be able to afford one
hexed stream
is it normal that i dont have any 4 support gem at lvl 75... i dropped a few vaa...
buy directly from trade, or buy greater jeweller from alva, I recommend the former if it's cheaper
mental talon
Just saw they've been maintaining almost 300k daily and been top 5 on Steam for the entire month. Not gonna lie, pretty impressive tbh even with all the problems I think the current EA version of the game has.
tawny sand
it's a good foundation i think, just needs more cooking. But that's what early access is for i suppose
i've put it on the backburner for now as i wait for more updates i think
mental talon
It pays to do your Expedition friends.
hexed stream
update can be any day from now
shut ferry
It pays to do your Expedition friends.
Easy 36 div
exotic wave
It pays to do your Expedition friends.
best flask in the game lol
well as long as you're not CI I guess
well even CI would get 900 gaurd
hexed stream
so I fully invest into life build, hoping that this upcoming patch they will buff life and nerf ES, I wonder if it will pay off
shut ferry
Good direction, es gonna get nerf soon
hexed stream
but not sure how they gonna buff life, maybe 3 life per str instead of 2?
shut ferry
still 2, but add some armor per strengh ?
shut ferry
It pays to do your Expedition friends.
May i see your expedision atlas node
mental talon
Uhhh sure after I'm done eating
shut ferry
also, enfeeble vs temporal chain?
enfeeble
mental talon
May i see your expedision atlas node
Not doing big boom for once getting the end of that node.
hexed stream
how to prevent 1 shot without investing in ES at all hmm, this is hard
fierce moth
? I'm confused
5d is much higher than 10e
Lose 75% exp... What the hell
GGG go further and further on heavy punishments
shut ferry
I'm dead...
shut ferry
Lose 75% exp... What the hell
No, that omen prevent 75% of exp losing =~ 7.5%
You only lose 2.5%
fierce moth
I'm dead...
I guess 137% more monster life is the most hard mod?
shut ferry
668 crit + 53 crit bonus is that matters to me
hexed stream
my bloodmage dies too often, I guess I'll wait till after patch to play it again
fierce moth
1 month in. LE is better. april can't come fast enough
I suppose they're the same, both of them have obvious shortness and advantages
You can play infernalist when your bloodmage is too weak and you have enough currenies to support 2 builds, I have nothing... Sigh
hexed stream
reason I play bloodmage coz I got fed up with the ramp up time of infernalist though
but bloodmage is squishy in this patch, now I have to find new way
fierce moth
lol ah... So infernalist needs to stack as more good gears as possible too? I'm tortured by that mainly
hexed stream
no, it needs time to stack
1s per stack
infernalist doesn't need good gears
it can't even wear weapon and offhand
fierce moth
lol I can do 4h in both of them so I don't know
shut ferry
Oh fck forgot this is LE's thread
fierce moth
ohhhhh that'll the key reason
I'm bad at action skills so I think le's difficulty is perfect, poe 2 is too hard
your action skills is nice so you think poe 2's difficulty is perfect, le is too simple
All of them is reasonable
fierce moth
😅 I start le under offline mode so I touched cof in 99% playtime
shut ferry
I never play cof xD
hexed stream
I don't think either poe1 or 2, except when doing boss, has any action difficulty
shut ferry
But still, i want to see LE success
fierce moth
I have no idea why GGG choose this way, players must online to buy and sell.
hexed stream
tradition I guess
fierce moth
What the shortness of offline to buy and sell
hexed stream
What the shortness of offline to buy and sell <:Facepalm:1182373892455678132>
that it becomes too easy to buy and sell
ggg doesn't want that
shut ferry
that it becomes too easy to buy and sell
I agree
You know, there is jew for infernalist
Took me 2 days to find that affixes i want, with a reasonable price
shut ferry
I think that way makes items more valuable
fierce moth
.......... But why they want to add troubles even it's trade
fierce moth
I think that way makes items more valuable
........
why they want to make items more valuable
hexed stream
.......... But why they want to add troubles even it's trade
because they don't want it to become a trade game, they want it to become a farming game
shut ferry
😂 Sorry I think poe 2 is a trade game all the time
You true too...
Look my monitors...
fierce moth
lol your set is professional
shut ferry
fierce moth
You just lack a monitor on the right, to show the twitch page and audience's messages lol
shut ferry
Hehe no sis...i'm a low key player
fierce moth
I want to play warrior after they fix armour issue
shut ferry
1 27"
1 34" for me
fierce moth
🤷♀️ It do everything for me
placid yarrow
Fellow laptop gamer based
shut ferry
I have a lap downstair :v
fierce moth
then I guess you have a PS5 pro and xbox series X too
shut ferry
then I guess you have a PS5 pro and xbox series X too
No..i don't like console...only playing PC
fierce moth
I like the light in your room very much... Warm light is the god
holy god... Alien laptop... That's the most expensive tier
shut ferry
Yes ser... strong light hurts my eyes..
shut ferry
holy god... Alien laptop... That's the most expensive tier
When I was young ..i dream of this brand...
fierce moth
👀 rtx 4090 laptop?
shut ferry
You must know how happy am I when i touched that lap
fierce moth
then I repeat your dream
shut ferry
shut ferry
👀 rtx 4090 laptop?
M15R5 ryzen E
fierce moth
My laptop is 8000+ RMB, a alien laptop with RTX 4090 can up to 60000+ RMB
No alien laptop isn't luxious
hah 3060 only... Interesting
mental talon
Just saw the Nvidia presentation, 5090 here I come for the new PC build.
Bought the 9800X3D back in November and just bought the new PSU, Mobo, SSD(s), and RAM. Now I wait.
fierce moth
Macbook is better for me to work..
Mate, you own everything I'm dreaming
I upgraded RAM before so it's same with you. 16GB only at the beginning, GPU is as same as your alien laptop
🤔 The god is interesting, let me meet a friend who owns everything I want. Very wonderful.
I don't have any relief though
shut ferry
Mate, you own everything I'm dreaming
One day everything will come to your hands mate, i believe
But my PC still use 2060s xD
fierce moth
Time to get a 4070 as like as @hexed stream XD
He purchased a new GPU for this game 😂
shut ferry
I guess it's time. the game is killing my old pc lol
hexed stream
He purchased a new GPU for this game 😂
no, I didn't purchase it, the game purchased me
fierce moth
lol GGG paid the bill for you later?
shut ferry
lol GGG paid the bill for you later?
They already paid half the cost of new pc 😂
blissful token
I want to play warrior after they fix armour issue
How many years will that be 
desert jasper
How many years? yes.
hexed stream
we promise to fix melee in poe3
and the fix will complete by the time poe4 is ready for release
fierce moth
hhhhh
blissful token
Maybe i should try merc
Leave my warrior at t9
Restart patch
But no economy reset
Means what?
vagrant topaz
For clarity, a restart patch is a patch that requires the realm/servers to be restarted. It will not be an economy reset.
blissful token
Oof
vagrant topaz
At least that what I understand
blissful token
Is it supposed to fix some memory leak/server stability issue?
vagrant topaz
Dunno, they haven't said
blissful token
But that can be a regular maintenance check like they did days ago
Yea, just gotta wait i guess
fierce moth
I want to try infernalist but look at my stash... I don't know
Maybe ssf is the only way but I don't know all builds for infernalist clearly
I want to copy the path in le but very hard.
The path is play a character to stack many storages for alts
hexed stream
Maybe i should try merc
I just leveled a merc to act 2, crazy fast
fierce moth
I just leveled a merc to act 2, crazy fast
you don't use any resources which get from your bloodmage and infernalist when you play mercenary?
fierce moth
currencies are counted
hexed stream
Then of course have to use, I'm not a fan of building a fortune and leave all behind to work from 0
fierce moth
...........No chance to evade
The tornado moves too fast even I roll to evade at the first time
fierce moth
....How am I go here 😅
fierce moth
...........No chance to evade
lol still the same reason to die
ebon meadow
Carn is playing a slammer I think it looks nice
And he is HC so melé isn't that bad
Can't really see much of skills on a phone neither I do know the icons for skills
Got to maps on monk finally cleared the whole damn campaign now I wanna roll a spark wtf is wrong with me
candid sage
i wouldnt roll spark until after you see the nerfs that are coming for it.
cuz they are definately coming
hexed stream
ES, archmage, heralds, those are the 101% sure will be nerfed
hexed stream
And he is HC so melé isn't that bad
melee is bad, the melee that isn't bad, is actually spell caster but with attack tag on the gem
ebon meadow
So range stacks as always lol
ebon meadow
i wouldnt roll spark until after you see the nerfs that are coming for it.
Do we know when it's happening at all ?
candid sage
nah. just waiting for the patch after the break
but there is no way its not coming at some level
blissful token
they are acknowledging bugs reported in the forum and say working on a restart patch 🤷🏻♂️
fierce moth
hhhhhhh I keep moving when the damn peacock summon blood rain this time but I still be slain because somewhere sticks me
blissful token
heh the thing that killed me too
if u got the tethering thing, its sooooo bad
slows u down
hexed stream
nah, you're just super undergeared
fierce moth
no, because of skill gems level
fierce moth
spark and orb of storm is 19, flame wall and archmage is 18
all lightning skills +4
wait, +3 or +4... i need to check out
exotic wave
I need 8 more 19s lol
hexed stream
lol why you guys are using so many skills in 1 single build
exotic wave
Summoner
We have a lot of different types of summons
I could just stack Reavers+clerics+Warriors but that leaves me with no aoe
Also no reason NOT to use 2 archers for double poison stacks
but all that leaves me with low AoE which is where the two mages come in
(and a single brute for infernal legion)
fierce moth
+3 only yeah
exotic wave
honestly to me the most dumpable summon is the arsonist
useful but like... for an entirely different build
(The warriors are for pain and bone offering btw)
fierce moth
13000+ dps from spark only
exotic wave
baby numbers
my other gemling has 130k on first hit of the lightning combo skill
(same level hilariously)
ebon meadow
130 k ??? Is that tooltip DPS or calculated ?
fierce moth
No idea why my build can go so bad even I spent more than 100e on that in total
hexed stream
coz others spend 100d, not 100e
fierce moth
such a pity that I'm too poor
hexed stream
got to do with the amount of time you play too
shut ferry
Also no reason NOT to use 2 archers for double poison stacks
why, i am using 25 ahrcher
ebon meadow
I have just been staling a lot ,watching a series so i stop to many times
exotic wave
130k tooltip
also 2 minimum because they can be supported with +1 poison
so even if not using the explosion it's worth bringing 2 in
and taht's 130k on the weakest hit
the strongest is I think like 400k?
and of course I slapped crescendo
actaully dps I think is like 380k?
hexed stream
my tooltip dps for hexblast bloodmage is 170k, but build feels like shit coz die too often
ebon meadow
I need a fast clearer ,spark or poison conc
Taking suggesting in to consideration lol
exotic wave
Pillar of the Caged God
ebon meadow
Think I m gonna grab my 15 days of vacation this January feels like I need a break
exotic wave
(also get an astra to drop for over 400k easy)
ebon meadow
Pillar of the Caged God
Isn't that a staff ?
exotic wave
quarterstaff yeah
ebon meadow
I haven't seen the new one yet gonna Google
ebon meadow
If it wasn't such a low level that would be a good weapon for monk
But building str can be a pain unless u want to invest in armour and life and I don't think u do lol
hexed stream
I need a fast clearer ,spark or poison conc
none, both are gonna be nerfed to the ground soon
hexed stream
Pillar of the Caged God
this is what I'm playing lol, but cautiously coz idk how bad the herald nerf will affect the build
exotic wave
I don't even need heralds lol
also "monk" lmao
I'm using it on gemling legionaire
because I get double value out of stats
which even turns "250 Acc>1% attack speed" into "25% AS"
so Dex is like super as stacking
I have to purposefully not use martial tempo
because i can NOT sustatin 0.09 Attack Time
hexed stream
same, playing a gemling now, just got carried to 4th ascendancy
exotic wave
(that's over 11 Attacks/Sec for most of you)
the animation at .09 looks hilarious however
I have over 400 all stats (and i cared, I could easily push 500 all stats)
hexed stream
astramentis when
ebon meadow
Talking out of my ass here mostly but I don't think any character or ascendancy in game can have att speed close to monk Archy type
Theres is attack speed modifiers in every aspect of invoker
Maybe bows if we count them but they are attacks and have to be considered
The damage scaling is different
Now that I m also getting some range in as well the monk just feels like flicker
I really like the gameplay of it I just think it lacks a lot of defences since the game is no design around that gameplay
There's to many things that can kill u being close combat and the evasion tactics to neglect it are not viable to play style
Tldr good for single target bad for clear even with for example a shatter AoE
shut ferry
Wow....i'll take all of those
ebon meadow
Nice tink
Can I show me that bow I m curious on the stats
It's probably Ur filter I just want to know why does it considering as tier 3 item
shut ferry
hexed stream
It's probably Ur filter I just want to know why does it considering as tier 3 it...
it doesn't depend on loot filter
tier 3 is ingame naming system
it means all the mods in that item are tier 3 and above
ebon meadow
Mw no like that it doesn't look any better than my weapon tiers from acts lol
https://youtu.be/JjmMUy49mV8?si=ZyNmNJw-IdhUj4E4 back to worky jam time
candid sage
the "tier x" weapons are just like, guaranteed minimum rolls from teh best i can tell, or at least heavily weighted to be at least that. like that bow would only roll t3 or above for the mods on it when you indentify. but you can still find random bows that just rng roll all higher too.
fierce moth
🙏 I wish le can be updated as soon as possible so I can collect new gears and test them by different builds to enjoy the fun.
Can't do this thing in poe 2 at all
halcyon fable
I started my Guild in FFXIV named Kupo few minutes before midnight on 29th December 2024 and in our short time Kupo has reached rank 56 in the weekly Kujata FC ranking and rank 350 in entire Elemental. I am so proud of Kupo! 🥲
fierce moth
@ashen osprey what's Fendibull?
.... What are they saying about oh my god none of them I can read...
I don't know what's TS too
ashen osprey
<@373906021812404224> what's Fendibull?
The user that asked you about Shangri-La
ashen osprey
I don't know what's TS too
You spoke about Temporal Sanctum? 🤔
fierce moth
ohhhhhhh... Don't realize that
ashen osprey
@fierce moth Regarding to that: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
no, you did not get the core of my question/statement, not at all. I said that **half **of your list is questionable to (me).
Ofc I see what your question meant (else I would not have spoken about the "half of your list"), but lets take a simple example: Stonehenge is a few stones put together on a meadow -> there is not even the slightest connection to TS that -> I <- can see.
We could expand that examples, but I'm to tired for that.
fierce moth
<@584198957962493954> Regarding to that: https://discord.com/channels/3689539632...
No problem, i know the worest result is none of them is the inspiration of ts. I just listed many random ones to give the base.
I guess the general direction is Iran/Arabia/Egypt/Israel/Turkey though
fierce moth
8452 mana... Holy god. The inflation of mana in poe is too insane...I thought 6400+ mana in poe 2 is very crazy already but...
twilit mountain
8452 mana... Holy god. The inflation of mana in poe is too insane...I thought 64...
That ain't even all that much. There was a build that hit over 40k once.
fierce moth
That ain't even all that much. There was a build that hit over 40k once.
do i need to play hierophant(it's belong to the branch of templer) if I want to play archmage in poe?
I wonder do this build suitable for ssf or not
Most of poe players go to play poe 2 so the trade is quiet surely
🤔 I want to experience the same build in poe to see which reasons cause my troubles in poe 2
Cold damage in poe and lightning damage in poe 2 under the same build, archmage
ebon meadow
Well Templar is called mana man for a reason
Can't remember if it was hierro or witch one though
fierce moth
I guess it'll much more fun to play lol compare with archmage stormweaver
ebon meadow
Usually they a bit heavy to set up like CI or a stat stackers but are fun to play yea
What u need is to find a build that u comfortable to farm with not bossing nor completion,just pure mapper and get a lot of currency
Thing with EA the currency will be there untill release so just stack up on things and try different builds because once the leagues hit u l be back to 3 month cycles and a fresh start
Also if they going to be releasing rest of clases and content u l need more curency anyway to try new stuff
fierce moth
to be honest, I miss various gameplay in poe now lol
The value of Kingmarch still increasing because it can bring me currencies consistently without terrible experience in poe 2
You can farm lots of golds for running the town a long time if your efficiency is high enough
ebon meadow
There were 38 leagues in Poe 1 over the years Poe 2 has years to go
Not even half of those remained in game but left some sort of mechanics in it
U know the funniest thing ,we l have an upcoming Poe 1 league soon tm ,I wonder what we gonna get if they want to keep the content high enough after new game reveal and test lol
Also how easy is going to feel after Poe 2 dificulty lmao ,should be really fun
fierce moth
🤭 Remind me of the legend I created again. Have died over 500 times to pass the first part of campaign (act1-3)
ebon meadow
Did u actually hit over 500 deaths ??
fierce moth
It slowed my steps too much really
ebon meadow
Ohh lord I though I was having tough time
I think I m close to 200 death now because last fkn zone and maps are bit stupid difficult
fierce moth
I guess poe is much more easy for me because I've tortured by poe 2 well
ebon meadow
Defenetly will be a loooot easier xd
Bose's here teaches us to actually analize and dodge things instead of powering them down
It's a weird for someone like me playing the game I played for years and getting his his head bashed on the wall by mostly everything in game
fierce moth
Let me check out how many times my second character lay on the ground
ebon meadow
It's not casual game anymore u have to pay attention to the game
fierce moth
The proof
So never worried about your action skills are bad. I'm much worse than you
😂 Died 902 times in total. Ok if I can play the second one longer, reach 1k times is no problem
ebon meadow
No no ,that was my point when I tell people that reroling a character makes u learn the game it's not a meme
One thing is important never mind the campaign as burden
narrow token
After many, many years forgotten, I finally beat Portal. Praise Gaben
fierce moth
Portal?
ebon meadow
Wait portal is made by valve ?
tawny sand
yeah
fierce moth
oh that portal
tawny sand
portal 3 never ever
narrow token
Portal 3 could sell gangbusters.
I might start Portal 2, but idk if I'm good enough to beat it on my own.
fierce moth
My logic is kicking a wall consistently but I don't want to watch guides frequently so I stop to play portal
narrow token
The point at which I have to look up a guide is when I quit a game. Usually.
tawny sand
i prefer wikis over guides
fierce moth
why puzzle games needs wikis
tawny sand
i was talking about in general
like i'm playing strategy games again, wikis are really useful
narrow token
I'm just not good at hard puzzles. I'd agonize over them for weeks if left on my own.
But a guide/wiki would suck all the enjoyment out of the experience such that I wouldn't want to play anymore.
It's a conundrum
fierce moth
95% games in my steam library are puzzle games XD
So I know myself bad at puzzle games clearly
narrow token
I tried, guys. I really did.
tawny sand
i think my favorite puzzle games are the room games
narrow token
I'm not familiar with those.
tawny sand
they're good
i don't think i've beaten the 4th one, but i've done the first 3
i haven't played the myst games in a while, thinking about puzzle games
i should play those again
narrow token
The reviews seem stellar for the first one.
Geez, all 4. Hot damn that's incredible.
fierce moth
i think my favorite puzzle games are the room games
you mean...this series or rusty lake ones?
I beat the room series on my phone
tawny sand
you mean...this series or rusty lake ones?
that series, i don't know what rusty lake is
fierce moth
I'll say this one is the most impressive puzzle game I played because it need to print pdf and do some pen paper puzzles
ebon meadow
so when are we playing 7 days to die all together for funs ? see where all that game knoledge is
explaination , minecraft with a zombie theme and better graphics
mostly infinite stuff u can do with ur imagination
fierce moth
I don't interested in survival + crafting games
ebon meadow
or Valheim xdd i still didnt play ashlands
ebon meadow
I don't interested in survival + crafting games
i have planted and croped for days and days in those games xdd
fierce moth
that series, i don't know what rusty lake is
the most famous game studio in puzzle game circle, the art style is unique
ebon meadow
there is a very nice learning curve in those games
fierce moth
But I don't interested in games made by rusty lake because all of games are 2D point-and-click puzzle games
I like logic puzzles more
ebon meadow
btw kirra is funny see u say u not interested in those game when u playing basicly same character development in arpg lol
theres builds and skill perks for everything
they are basicly an arpg mixed with dark souls like
and a perfect middle ground
rust , conan , 7days to die etc etc
fierce moth
I have played one, not my tea
ebon meadow
thats not actually a bad game neither
narrow token
Enshrouded is fun. I'm TERRIBLE at decorating/making houses though.
My creativity is basically making huts.
tawny sand
I like logic puzzles more
I always really liked The Long Dark the most as far as survival crafting goes
i played a lot of sandbox
fierce moth
Enshrouded is fun. I'm TERRIBLE at decorating/making houses though.
You can learn them by playing minecraft I guess
narrow token
I don't like minecraft's art style
ebon meadow
My creativity is basically making huts.
i m same lol , not much of a builder i just build square and what ever fits and works for what i want
tawny sand
oops i didn't mean to reply to that message lmao
ebon meadow
but let me find something
fierce moth
Enshrouded is fun. I'm TERRIBLE at decorating/making houses though.
that're environment artist's jobs hhhh
narrow token
We know what job I'm never getting.
fierce moth
Game genre I touched by playing more than 5 games is puzzle games only XD
narrow token
Looking at the most popular genres is a little alienating. FPS. Everyone's an fps andy
tawny sand
i'm terrible at shooters
narrow token
or moba
fierce moth
Never try fps and moba
narrow token
So am I. I also don't really like them. The cods of the world are not my thing. Also 4X, RTS, puzzle, racing, sports, and roguelite/roguelikes.
tawny sand
i like some singleplayer ones like doom and stuff but yeah
multiplayer shooters are not my thing
fierce moth
🤔 I enjoy racing but it need expensive hardwares to build a immersing experience
narrow token
doom 2016 was okay. eternal was too hard for me.
tawny sand
i really like the truck sim games
narrow token
Cyberpunk was fun too.
I recently tried cuphead. NOPE.
I'm not made for games that difficult.
sand wigeon
My biggest complaint with 2016 is how dark the game was. Not like, thematically, but brightness-wise. There are some secret levers you need to pull in most levels and they're incredibly hard to see
I'm glad they went back to a more arcadey style for Eternal though
fierce moth
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1147890/Bonfire_Peaks/
This game lead me to learn voxel art when I still like playing puzzle games
sand wigeon
I think everyone here should play Pyre. Very good game.
ebon meadow
well didnt find the video i was looking for but this should give u an idea https://youtube.com/shorts/zikPz0FV-Ck?si=r_3REFP-wQ7GEwGG xdd
that is build from scrath and probably using god mod and console but yesus
sand wigeon
Note: survival Valheim will not really lead to these massive structures. The game is a lot more resource heavy than other sandbox games and encourages you to focus on progression and not building, unlike something like Minecraft.
tawny sand
I think everyone here should play Pyre. Very good game.
that's my favorite supergiant game
sand wigeon
that's my favorite supergiant game
Same here
ebon meadow
i was looking for teldrassil like tower made very long time ago
not even sure what doom i have
i think i played more quake 3 than that back in the days
just normal doom aparently xdd
tawny sand
i'm a fan of hexen
fierce moth
😅 sorry nothing attract me by checking out pyre's steam page
ebon meadow
check if H1Z1 atracs u in anyway and it was most played game for at least a year
sand wigeon
😅 sorry nothing attract me by checking out pyre's steam page
The story is very good
ebon meadow
the battle royale one please dont shoot me i know theres a lot of fans still around
now we have tarkov that requires a NASA PC
fierce moth
I don't like the way of storytelling... too bland but that's the common of indie games.
I can't go back after experiencing the storytelling's way from D4
fierce moth
yeahhhh
fierce moth
Pictures is better than texts for me to read and remember
sand wigeon
I much prefer stories told primarily through text, such as visual novels and text adventures
(Pyre is a visual novel)
fierce moth
make sense now, not a fan of visual novel
narrow token
Yeah I'd rather just read a book
narrow token
If I'm playing a game, I'd rather just PLAY it, not read it.
sand wigeon
Wholly different ways of construction, too
ebon meadow
there is games that "has" to be played for story and art
sand wigeon
If I'm playing a game, I'd rather just PLAY it, not read it.
I mean, you do play visual novels and text adventures. That's kinda the point. The player has a lot of agency in how you treat character's, how they treat you, the events of the story, etc
tawny sand
a lot of visual novels do have gameplay to them though
narrow token
I don't value those things, so...
sand wigeon
Like, I have so many things to consider from a player standpoint when working on a text adventure as opposed to my book
twilit mountain
Pyre is a visual novel with funny magic basketball built in
sand wigeon
a lot of visual novels do have gameplay to them though
Yeah, like Pyre
narrow token
Gameplay is the motivating factor for me. Combat, exploration, progression, power, etc...
ebon meadow
I don't value those things, so...
if u ever see Wolcen for something like under 6 bucks u should defently try it out
sand wigeon
Gameplay is the motivating factor for me. Combat, exploration, progression, powe...
I mean, most of that is in Pyre
narrow token
I own wolcen.
sand wigeon
You'd probably like Pacific Drive, Venerated
narrow token
Idk I only got a few minutes in.
ebon meadow
KEKW
sand wigeon
(I own quite a few visual novels)
fierce moth
if u ever see Wolcen for something like under 6 bucks u should defently try it o...
why wolcen is mixed?
sand wigeon
I mean. Add like another 300 due to family sharing
ebon meadow
why wolcen is mixed?
bad game , very good campaign
fierce moth
😅 I want to try it now
ebon meadow
the storyline is very good
sand wigeon
(Both the people in my family share, my roomie and I, play primarily smaller indie games, which is where the number comes from)
narrow token
(I own quite a few visual novels)
Yup that's a list of games I'd never be into. Long list though. 👍
tawny sand
(I own quite a few visual novels)
Do you like the Spike Chunsoft games like Zero Escape? or AI Somnium Files?
ebon meadow
😅 I want to try it now
if u dont mind the buggs that still there and u can get it very cheap from somewhere its a very good first play thrugh
u l get 20 hours + from it for sure
sand wigeon
Do you like the Spike Chunsoft games like Zero Escape? or AI Somnium Files?
Nah, they don't really look up my alley. Generally I'm into more western stylized visual novels, the eastern stuff has never caught my attention, especially with just how much of it there is when very little of it is good. Hard to find the good stuff.
Sorting games is nice
ebon meadow
for me in last 5 years nothing can beat lost ark Avesta part , we stand for Zaika
fierce moth
emmm but do the server isn't online anymore?
ebon meadow
i m not actually sure lol
tawny sand
wolcen was shut down
ebon meadow
last time i played was year and a half ago ish
sand wigeon
Sekiro is probably singlehandedly the best story I've played set in an eastern setting, though
Dark Souls is also probably singlehandedly the worst story I've played in a western setting, though
ebon meadow
Sekiro is on my top priority
tawny sand
Nah, they don't really look up my alley. Generally I'm into more western stylize...
Oh dang, does that include Phoenix Wright? I love those games
sand wigeon
Nah, Phoenix Wright is great. I haven't personally played them (I simply can't afford them) but I've seen playthroughs and I know it's good
ebon meadow
i just dont want to play it on mid PC and sacrafice graphics on it i want the full extend of it
fierce moth
wolcen was shut down
what happened?
sand wigeon
I'm just not usually big into generic anime visuals and my issue with a lot of eastern visual novels is just that... There's so much of the generic stuff it's hard to find the good stuff
tawny sand
what happened?
idk, it just got shut down
sand wigeon
Obviously there is good stuff, like Phoenix Wright, but it's just difficult to track down
ebon meadow
the game didnt fix the issues it had and comminity just refused to keep playing
fierce moth
sigh, that's a good game if devs keep doing their jobs
twilit mountain
To my knowledge, Wolcen just didn't have the development speed necessary to deal with their issues and eventually couldn't fund the servers and continued development/the studio as a whole.
ebon meadow
theres people that completely lost their characters to bug so ... yea
tawny sand
To my knowledge, Wolcen just didn't have the development speed necessary to deal...
those servers they had were awful tbh, they were always laggy for me
sand wigeon
(My favorite visual novels are Heaven Will be Mine, Pyre, Scarlet Hollow, Slay the Princess and The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, in no particular order)
sand wigeon
To my knowledge, Wolcen just didn't have the development speed necessary to deal...
Remind you of anything?
ebon meadow
wolcen will remain as a meme in an arpg community for years for the reason that game HAD potential but devs couldnt deliver
narrow token
The fear is real.
ebon meadow
and it wasnt for money its just the game is to complex still for our age
narrow token
wolcen is complex?
sand wigeon
whose age
narrow token
Really now.... 🤔
sand wigeon
A lot of ARPG players are quite young
ebon meadow
no no not as our age as in us its for the what game can deliver with resources they had
narrow token
Define "young".
sand wigeon
wha
ebon meadow
servers , development sped
sand wigeon
I think there's a language barrier happening hold on
sand wigeon
You mean, it was just too old in the sense that it took too long to get to a place where it was good so it failed?
narrow token
How young are we talking here, like 20s? Teenagers?
ebon meadow
i m 33 lol
sand wigeon
yeah i mean 33 is young
twilit mountain
33 isn't even considered middle aged yet
ebon meadow
they wanted to be like poe but the teck they have developed first was bad and second couldnt handle the gameplay that players will have
narrow token
I'm being silly on purpose. Idk when you start being called old.
Is it 35?
36? Idk
sand wigeon
they wanted to be like poe but the teck they have developed first was bad and se...
Aye
narrow token
So you're old at 50. Good to know.
twilit mountain
To me I put middle aged at like 45-50 range, I wouldn't genuinely call someone old until like, 60 I think
sand wigeon
But I also live in a place with a lot of older people so maybe it's different
ebon meadow
in gaming comunitys ? u already old at 22 lmao
everyone things that internet is used just by zoomers
narrow token
Because gaming starts at like 3 or 4. Hell I was gaming at 4.
twilit mountain
I do love making fun of friends older than me by calling them old though, I think that's funny
sand wigeon
everyone things that internet is used just by zoomers
Strictly untrue
narrow token
Reader Rabbit on DOS in 1992
sand wigeon
Esp since zoomers are mostly older than 22 lol
sand wigeon
You're the line between millenial and zoomer
ebon meadow
i think
narrow token
I'm a millennial for sure.
twilit mountain
Esp since zoomers are mostly older than 22 lol
The oldest of us are 30 this year
sand wigeon
Yeah
narrow token
If you're old enough to remember USING cassette tapes, you're a millennial. 🤣
sand wigeon
Yeah, actually, that's a pretty good example\
It won't always be true but that's a decently general rule
tawny sand
dang i just had a memory of listening to casettes cause our car didn't have a cd player when i was growing up
twilit mountain
That doesn't work on me because I used em as a kid and I'm only 22
sand wigeon
For young Gen Z, CD's were already nearly gone by the time they can remember, so it's a decent distinction between the older Gen Z and younger, too
narrow token
I think I still have old fanfictions I wrote to floppy discs.
twilit mountain
dang i just had a memory of listening to casettes cause our car didn't have a cd...
Yup this was my sitch. Poor family moment.
sand wigeon
I myself barely grew up with CD's, though I do remember using them
ebon meadow
i memeber using walkman and cassetes hell i even have a Bob Marley tape somewhere here
narrow token
I played Mario Bros on a NES. As a child. When it was still relevant.
ebon meadow
and floppy disk for that case
same
my first grinding game was mortal combat 3 i think
narrow token
I remember the old rivalry between SEGA with Sonic, and NES/SNES with Mario.
ebon meadow
it was a nintendo cartridge
sand wigeon
I liked messing around with most of that vintage tech, so I've used a decent amount of it
narrow token
Console wars are forever I guess.
tawny sand
we had a nes for a while too, i didn't get a snes till the n64 came out i think
i remember cause i had chicken pox when i got an snes
twilit mountain
I liked messing around with most of that vintage tech, so I've used a decent amo...
I can totally pick up the systems I grew up with (and the ones I collected) at the end of the month, right? COPIUM
narrow token
Chicken pox was the worst.
ebon meadow
i had nintendo my neighbour friend had sega so i played both or more like we did
sand wigeon
I can totally pick up the systems I grew up with (and the ones I collected) at t...
TOTALLY
ebon meadow
TNMT , mario , mortal combat
twilit mountain
TMNT BASED
sand wigeon
I mean Nintendo
Is like
Still pretty common?
Obviously not as common as stuff in production, but I rarely talk to someone my age who hasn't played on a Nintendo at least once
ebon meadow
was watching some facts other day and aparenly nintendo is more older than we think
twilit mountain
The company started in like the 1890s yea
ebon meadow
yea
narrow token
I remember teachers being REAL strict with talk about Mortal Kombat on the playground. They really thought video games made people serial killers or something.
ebon meadow
before ww2 i think
twilit mountain
Board games and cards too!
twilit mountain
Founded September 23, 1889
ebon meadow
Founded September 23, 1889
yesus crist
twilit mountain
Wild ain't it?
sand wigeon
You guys don't have "massive world-bending companies that could ruin your life if you misstep in their path" classes in school?
ebon meadow
its crazy
ebon meadow
You guys don't have "massive world-bending companies that could ruin your life i...
amm countrys that was in war and were rebuilding after it had a very major setback on teck
and as russian we aborder with china so even with that we didnt know shit
sand wigeon
I was being facetious, I can't imagine the said companies would let young people be purposefully educated on that anyway
Though I didn't go to school, so maybe that does exist!
twilit mountain
Tbf Nintendo doesn't really... do much.
sand wigeon
Yeah Nintendo isn't too bad
twilit mountain
They just kinda make games and sometimes sue people that make games too similar to theirs
ebon meadow
they used to be like Tencent today i suppos
sand wigeon
Mostly they just hate artists and accessible games
tawny sand
isn't nintendo patent trolls now though
sand wigeon
TBF people make a big stink of Tencent and they're really just fine
Well, as fine as an investment company can get
ebon meadow
they are fine they are just investors not devs
sand wigeon
But like they don't do much
Yeah
They just invest in a lot of promising stuff 'cause if something really succeeds they make bank
twilit mountain
Go away bot
sand wigeon
<@&1161418687471956101>
ebon meadow
here we go
past gorge
Go away bot
im not a bot
twilit mountain
GO away spammer/scammer
ebon meadow
who said a taboo word to trigger that bot
past gorge
toxic community
sand wigeon
yes we are very toxic
tawny sand
very
sand wigeon
you should leave actually
full coyote
Remember https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/368956502561783808 1 please
ebon meadow
i mean we have a example , people blamed GGG for anychanges to game on tencent when they only buy some shares
sand wigeon
Yeah, I think people just don't wanna accept that GGG is just... flawed
Most studios are
twilit mountain
GGG is a little uh... stupid sometimes.
sand wigeon
And these problems have likely been around far longer than Tencent and people just didn't notice
tawny sand
people want a "big bad" to blame always i think
sand wigeon
Aye
tawny sand
tencent is just an easy target
twilit mountain
Yeah I mean, CI/ES absolutely dominating the game was before Tencent for example. Lasted a WHILE too.
ebon meadow
GGG is a little uh... stupid sometimes.
lets leave it at created , but yea ...sometimes they make u use the brain in theme that u dont have to
here we have blizz , people complain about them every chance they have but still woop they credit card every time something that they used to play comes out
i dont care how bad they are i dont care what laws they broke they gave me a lot in my growing i dont care spending money on them
sand wigeon
I mean, people in the ARPG community also really like "d2 good" "every other diablo game is for casual noobs so it's bad"
(Even though D2 is outdated at best)
ebon meadow
people today that defending d2 havent even played d2 i m one of them
i played it first time in 2011
then the rework
Eagle voyce ur self out
i see u
twilit mountain
D2 is... hoo boy. It is a video game. That's the best I can say on it.
tawny sand
eagles be typing an essay lol
ebon meadow
thats the thing its a video game no one breaking their life about it
candid sage
Yeah I mean, CI/ES absolutely *dominating* the game was before Tencent for examp...
Did it ever stop? Lol CI still dominating. Right there with EB and MoM
twilit mountain
Did it ever stop? Lol CI still dominating. Right there with EB and MoM
In PoE1? Yeah. CI is good but not "literally anyone and everyone should take it" good now.
candid sage
Nah...just too many typos on da phone.
ebon meadow
funny thing i dont thik anyone here has English as their mother language
that makes it more fun
twilit mountain
o/ I do, it's the only language I know
candid sage
Also main English
sand wigeon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2676840/No_Case_Should_Remain_Unsolved/ Funnily enough, the visual novel convo led to me finding this, looks really good
sand wigeon
funny thing i dont thik anyone here has English as their mother language
I do
I'm American
And white
LMAO
I'd be lucky if I could speak anything else
ebon meadow
ok ok am i the only one that speaks 3 languages and dont know a single ABC ?
sand wigeon
I know Kirra speaks at least two, same with minimap
tawny sand
i learned french and latin, and don't remember any of it
sand wigeon
Unfortunately, anytime I've tried to learn a second language it just kinda falls off because I have no one to converse with IRL
Oh actually IG that's fair
ebon meadow
now it makes sence than u and Deias here at surtain times a day
sand wigeon
I'm technically fluent in Greek and Latin thanks to a special program for gifted kids or whatever
Though I remember none of it at a fluent level
sand wigeon
Not modern Greek, note
sand wigeon
Sure but I don't speak them anymore
tawny sand
i heard it's really hard to learn new languages as you get older
ebon meadow
well i speak 3 becouse of where i live and my parents
tawny sand
something with that part of the brain
sand wigeon
Your brain becomes less wired for it, yeah
ebon meadow
it is very hard as u get older
sand wigeon
As your brain stops developing you generally stop learning new things at the same rate
ebon meadow
my younger sister speaks 5
sand wigeon
You get "stuck" so to say
tawny sand
dang 5? that's wild
sand wigeon
Your brain does weird stuff the older it gets, too
ebon meadow
yea she speaks german and french on top of mine
sand wigeon
Nice, good for her!
ebon meadow
posh school and she was a ballet dancer that went out of country at age of 16
sand wigeon
Oh, damn. She recovered okay?
ebon meadow
she was studying in Vienna for couple of years and had a bad fall
sand wigeon
How often do y'all get hurt damn
ebon meadow
in ballet? u stand in pain here
same if she was living rather russia or any country that has heavy ballet
that thing is more dumber than be a model
u crip ur self for life
sand wigeon
Yeah, again, said horrible things
ebon meadow
at least i profesionaly kick boxed untill 22 and i had enough of my face beeing kicked in
ebon meadow
my first sport was judo at age of 7
sand wigeon
Yeah, I started karate at a similar time
ebon meadow
then swimming at 9 , rugby 11 , indoor football at 12 along side of kick boxing untill 22
then i started to target work as my work out daily routine , much safer 🙂
screw gym if u making money and working out same time that is perfect
sand wigeon
I can't do much physical activity myself anymore, though I'd love to take up HEMA style swordsmanship sometime
With some other weapons thrown in there
Looks very fun
sand wigeon
Aye, I find all of that very interesting.
ebon meadow
i would really like to learn Katana sword , but theres so much there its crazy
they have a freaking style of taking the blade out on its own
sand wigeon
Between the convergent evolution of weapons, the construction of why weapons were made the way they were, the intended purposes and the unintended ways they were used
All very cool
sand wigeon
they have a freaking style of taking the blade out on its own
Aye, pretty much all weapons are just as complicated
It's really cool
ebon meadow
lets be real with medieval double weild
the weight of the body armour plus the swing of double hander
on its own its like a tank coming at u today
sand wigeon
I mean, yeah. Though armor and weaponry aren't actually all that heavy.
Modern soldiers wear much heavier stuff
ebon meadow
what
armour was like 75 kg if not more
having that stuff on u already need a work out
sand wigeon
Even the largest swords were at max nine pounds, and you'd rarely, if ever, come across that stuff. Armor, when piled on top of each other is heavy, yeah. But you wore it across your entire body, so it wasn't actually as heavy as it seemed
ebon meadow
today with kelvar nothing in compare
sand wigeon
Armor definitely requires strength but there's plenty of examples of people moving very fast in armor
sand wigeon
today with kelvar nothing in compare
Modernj soldiers don't just have kevlar, though
They have backpacks, radios, bulky guns, etc
ebon meadow
true about kelvar but they have things and alloys we dont even know
sand wigeon
The average soldier wears more than a knight in armor everyday
ebon meadow
take a bullet proof mask for example
yes its 4 kg on ur face and neck but for what protection
like an actual balistic mask
sand wigeon
...Shrapnel protection?
Pretty dang important
They're used decently often, though generally less since being able to see better is more important
ebon meadow
no no 7 hits with an assault riffile and u still alive
ebon meadow
might need to reconstruct the face but alive
sand wigeon
if you're getting shot in the face something has gone horribly wrong
those masks were never intended for those purposes, even if they can protect from it
ebon meadow
intervention balistic masks
sand wigeon
plus, "rifle" means so many different things
that could be 12 gauge, .22 or .50 AE
anyway, that's not the point
ebon meadow
asualt rifle usally means semi or full auto that shoots 7 call plus
sand wigeon
Armor is heavy, sure, but due to its weight distribution across your body it wasn't actually that heavy'
The far more concerning aspect was overheating, sicne you'd often have a lot of stuff on under plate armor
But plate armor in general wasn't very popular
ebon meadow
i would love to see an athleat to run full body armour for a mile or 2 see where he lives his loungs xd
sand wigeon
It was decently expensive, took a lot of material and to be made correctly, got expensive'
Chainmail was generally far better
ebon meadow
chainmail is one of those things that can only get better with material and alloy u use
we still use it to clean fish today
sand wigeon
Kevlar is technically plate armor, too
ebon meadow
its a perfect human invention
sand wigeon
Since it's constructed in the same linking composition
ebon meadow
i guess so
sand wigeon
(Which is why it's worse against knives than a lot of other stuff)
ebon meadow
but did we fold our metal for armour plates ?
sand wigeon
Doesn't handle stabbing well
ebon meadow
ouside Japan ofc
sand wigeon
but did we fold our metal for armour plates ?
I mean there are a few different ways that cold be interpreted
ebon meadow
thats the thing with kelvar its the layers
sand wigeon
Plate armor would often be bent into specific shapes, yeah
And plate armor had layers
ebon meadow
thats very cool
sand wigeon
There's the plate, then the chainmail, then cloth armor like doublets, and then clothes under that
tawny sand
i only wear armor made out of the finest damascus steel
sand wigeon
Plate armor was just one step in the armor, basically
ebon meadow
i thought we just smelt it in one heavy piece
sand wigeon
Again, individual components weren't all that heavy
ebon meadow
i only wear armor made out of the finest damascus steel
dont meme damascus is actually beatifull
worthless
but very pretty
sand wigeon
A full suit weighed around fifty pounds across your entire body, so localized weight wasn't much. As long as a soldier had the strength to lift their legs in it, they'd be fine, and could move very fast
Modern soldiers often wear at least sixty pounds of gear minimum, and most of it is centered on their back, which is far worse
sand wigeon
You read wrong, then
ebon meadow
well more like 70+
sand wigeon
Or that was an extreme example
Fifty to sixty is most common for medieval plate
And some modern official documents say that soldiers need to be able to carry 100 pounds as a standard
ebon meadow
makes sence becouse 150 sounds like a lot to burden with
sand wigeon
There are reports of American soldiers in Afghanistan carrying 200 pounds of gear daily
ebon meadow
but that why historicly wise a lot of people used leather along side with it not becouse they were pooor becouse it made u more agile
sand wigeon
Leather wasn't very popular, actually
Like, it was there, but it generally wasn't used as much as cloth
ebon meadow
There are reports of American soldiers in Afghanistan carrying 200 pounds of gea...
and that probably mostly the gear not the actual protection
sand wigeon
Cloth armor was by far the most common alongside chainmail
sand wigeon
and that probably mostly the gear not the actual protection
Aye
sand wigeon
Leather wasn't very popular, actually
Generally the first thing that comes to mind is archer's wearing chest and arm guards so they don't destroy their arms on bowstrings
Leather was primarily used for gloves and boots, but not a ton else
ebon meadow
makes sence we still use today
but diferent leather do have diferent density , not same having a sword swipe going along cloth against going across leather
sand wigeon
Yeah. Cloth armor was far more accessible and used by a lot more people. It's basically just treated and layered cloth that you would put on, it'd protect from cuts very well
ebon meadow
hmm thats cool
ebon meadow
cloth for me is more as a cution to metal , not same having pure metal without any cloth to cushion the impact of even walking
sand wigeon
Nah, cloth would often be worn just by its own
tawny sand
wasn't cloth armor like padded?
tawny sand
makes sense
was cotton used heavily then? I guess only the southern parts of europe really had access to cotton
sand wigeon
You can see how thick just a coif would be
tawny sand
or is cotton native to america
ebon meadow
ok i l take that from the video to
sand wigeon
was cotton used heavily then? I guess only the southern parts of europe really h...
It was very popular, yeah
ebon meadow
paded is not just plain cloth
sand wigeon
Yeah, it isn't
ebon meadow
like on its own is already a protection
funny thing i already seen that short xdd
that is fair i thought u were refering to cloth well simular to a freaking silk for example
padding is diferent
sand wigeon
Yeah, no, not the same
Codex Wallerstein (a medieval sword combat book) shows quite a few examples of people fighting in just cloth armor
(Alongside examples of plate armor, since the way you fight would be different)
tawny sand
i had a friend that was into that sword fighting thing, i've forgotten the name of it
ebon meadow
i would still have no balls to catch a down swing from double hander verticly with just a metal plate on shoulder xdd
sorry fk that i rather dodge
tawny sand
it's like an organization or style that preserves medieval sword fighting
i'm not sure exactly
sand wigeon
sorry fk that i rather dodge
If you're fighting someone with a sword without a weapon of your own, just run
sand wigeon
it's like an organization or style that preserves medieval sword fighting
HEMA?
tawny sand
yeah maybe that was it
yeah i think it was hema after googling
i remember him saying hellish quart is hema focused or soemthing, and got me into it for a bit
ebon meadow
Dream since we having this talk , what speed u thing a long range rain of arrows would develop u thing to pierce body armour ?
can be stopped by a wooden shield but always finds gaps in metal armour lol
sand wigeon
Archer's were generally ineffective against plate armor and chainmail, to a dergee. Crossbows proved more dangerous, due to the much higher power that could be attained and simply the amount of soldiers that could quickly be trained against them. The first ballistic weaponry practically ending plate armor as a whole
Armor was always ever a game of response
ebon meadow
outside Persian empire i think its portuguese that abused crossbows for that reason , the impact was just dumb
sand wigeon
Swords were developed, which excelled at cutting, so chainmail was made as a response. Small, piercing weaponry was developed, which made chainmail less effective. Plate armor was used, so the mace was then used more, and then plate armor was made obsolete by ballistic weaponry, which could tear through it. Then, cloth armor went back to being the most popular, since it was light, and the amount of armor didn't matter against firearms. Until the point where firearms were the most popular, and armor as a whole was mostly dropped until the invent of more modern armor.
ebon meadow
that thing penetrated heavy armour plates
sand wigeon
It didn't matter what armor you wore against an arquebus or musket, it'd tear through it anyway. This is how we get to "Napoleonic combat," think the Colonial American revolution.
As weapons got better, the distances which fights could take place got greater and greater, which made bayonets pointless, so they're not used anymore
ebon meadow
untill we switched back to only cloth armour alloys and bayonets were back in
sand wigeon
Bayonets are still not used, no.
sand wigeon
Oh, yeah, the distances which fights could take place got greater and greater, which made bayonets pointless, so they're not used anymore was referring to post WW1 and WW2
Bayonets were still used then, yeah
ebon meadow
i used to colect old cold weapons
sand wigeon
Up until the Vietnam war, America used lots of bayonets
ebon meadow
fair point
sand wigeon
But after that, rifle development took huge steps forward from the M16. Most firefights happen at a minimum of 75 yards now, if not far further
tawny sand
yeah though i think the bayonets doubled as knives, the american bayonets i mean
sand wigeon
Most modern weapons are effective to at leats 300 meters, if not further
ebon meadow
i would not go close combat against a freaking Thomson neither xdd
sand wigeon
yeah though i think the bayonets doubled as knives, the american bayonets i mean
They did, but nowadays, knives are just their own part of a kit
ebon meadow
yea
same place i got my tank gilz that i use for ash tray
well not exactly tank its a heavy artilary gilz
sand wigeon
bayonets do make sense in a vampire setting, if the vampires can be hurt by them and firearms
tawny sand
are vampires weak to silver bullets like werewolves?
sand wigeon
since you can attach a wooden stake to something like a shotgun, which can stop a vampire from full on rushing you as long as you're facing them
nah
ebon meadow
they are weak to silver yea
sand wigeon
there's so much differing mythology out there
that it's basically dependent on what you pick and choose
esp with how much of it is from modern mythology
ebon meadow
its a methology so yea u can twist it as u want
Having a stick driven in to hart sure no need a brainer there but weak to seeing a cross ...bit of a stretch to me
Or chugging holy water
And I m a fan of Tarantino
Well and Bram Stalker
tawny sand
that reminds me, i wonder if the nosferatu remake is any good
tawny sand
morbin time