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[hexed stream]

Yes

[ocean rivet]

I decorated my sandals with a chain and skull charms

[desert jasper]

Nice

[junior oyster]

Nope, not in any game with seasonal content.

[mental talon]

Good luck today fellow Melee Enjoyers may your slams travel true

[twilit mountain]

Sometimes. I did to test the build I'm starting with.

[junior oyster]

Would anyone say if this build is decent enough for early mapping?https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/lacerate-gladiator-league-starter

I'm stupid. It's a build made by Ziz 😂

Last played PoE 23/12/2024

Can't lie I'm kind of looking forward to it. The game is more fun for me (usually) when I don't touch the game for a while xD

[hexed stream]

note that ziz build is very catered for hc ssf, so it may not be true for trade league

not saying it's bad or anything, but it's usually overly budget and overly defensive

[junior oyster]

Ok I was facetanking 300 corruption harbingers but damn wth is Aberroth lol

[junior oyster]

Oh I'm aware. I might make some adjustments myself like going more damage or something instead of defence.

[junior oyster]

I can avoid his big slam but it's the aoe wave that happens immediately that kills me. How the heck you supposed to survive that?

[hexed stream]

the part where everywhere is dark but the center, you stay in there, then immediately after, you move fast to the platform edge

took me 3 deaths to realize, after that it's too easy of a fight

also the reason why I quit LE season so early

[junior oyster]

My damage is too low and slow lol

Melee pala -.-

[hexed stream]

no worry, his mechanics is as slow as julra, easy to dodge

[junior oyster]

I'll give him a try later. Not doing near enough damage but yea I nearly got him under 80%...

Maybe with a stronger build.

[junior oyster]

72k ahead of me. This is gunna be fun.

[desert jasper]

18k

[twilit mountain]

25k

[junior oyster]

Tbf I plan on playing for like 10 minutes and then sleep lol

[desert jasper]

but it's also near 11pm for me
so probably not even finishing act1

[junior oyster]

9pm here but yea I'm waay too tired after work

Also even if I wanted to play my wife won't be all too happy to see me play for so long 😂

[twilit mountain]

4PM here, gonna zoom as best I can

[desert jasper]

hah, yea

[junior oyster]

Actually scratch that, that is the main reason 🫠

[desert jasper]

Tbh I wish they opened the servers already
sometimes they've already opened them around 15minutes before launch

but ah well

[twilit mountain]

I just wish queue went up at a consistent time lmao

Sometimes it's an hour before. Sometimes it's two. One time it was like 3.5 hours before.

[desert jasper]

yeaaa

[junior oyster]

I'm innnnnnn Not

[desert jasper]

Oh it started moving, neat

[twilit mountain]

I was late to queue this time because my stomach was upset and I got stuck in the bathroom as the patch came out

[desert jasper]

So I'm gonna hop off
good luck

[junior oyster]

I was busy slaying the spire so I forgot about the damn queue. Not like it matters I'm sure streamers queued up at the exact time lol

[hexed stream]

initially I got 15k, then got kicked out of queue 4 times

[junior oyster]

Pressing space in PoE 🫠

[tame dome]

I forget, is PoE 2 gonna have a dodge roll?

[junior oyster]

PoE 2 will iirc

[tame dome]

Nice.

[junior oyster]

If D4 (technically D3 console) did one thing right that other arpgs have followed in their footsteps is the dodge roll.

Grim Dawn has added it in and so have LE and PoE 2. Wouldn't mind a dodge roll in PoE 1 too.

[hexed stream]

I do that you know, I bind movement skill to space

[sand wigeon]

Time for me to start the PoE league!

[desert jasper]

I had the game crash before I even reached the first checkpoint
So I just decided to get some sleep then.

[hexed stream]

Finish act 2, and won't be able to play for another 10h

[fierce moth]

Well I realize the group of streamers and players who played le is shared with poe actually so if poe has a new league, people just go to play poe instead of le and vice versa 🤔

[sinful rune]

Guys, does this mean no enemy amount limit?

[hexed stream]

In this channel idk how to respond

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[hexed stream]

Guys, how's league so far

[sand wigeon]

Loving the new mechanic TBH. This is something that should probably go standard. It adds depth out of maps without interrupting gameplay loops.

[junior oyster]

Boring.

[sand wigeon]

Why do you think it's boring?

[junior oyster]

Cuz melee is boring ah

[sand wigeon]

Oh, I like melee

[junior oyster]

Tbh I'm also experiencing a lot of lag

[sand wigeon]

In PoE? What servers are you on? I'm in Washington and I haven't had any.

[junior oyster]

London

[sand wigeon]

Odd

[junior oyster]

Going through the campaign is so boring I almost want to quit lol

[sand wigeon]

I'm a pretty casual player so I just take the campaign at my own pace and don't care when I get it done

[junior oyster]

I'm casual too but I still hate the campaign. Would rather mapping straight away lol

[sand wigeon]

To me, there's no difference between maps and campaign. In both, you just walk around and kill stuff, so.

[pine basalt]

not here for Delation but a bit more poe player than LE in discord ;O just give me back smooth exp so i can play LE again ;'( (please thanks*)

[junior oyster]

Ok I wasn't lagging... I was holding shift and then using dash 🫠
A lot of times 😂

<@&1161418687471956101> spam

[mental talon]

I didn't realize I wanted a city building sim until yesterday. It's easily approachable as a Casual or Hardcore and just feels good investing idk. I'm having fun with playing Melee like I always do, progressing my Atlas checking shipments whenever they ping. Also the Auction House for currency is absolutely giga based

[sand wigeon]

It's making me try to think what other games I've played have a city-management game as a side thing in them

[junior oyster]

Wolcen kinda had one

[sand wigeon]

I've never played it myself, but that's interesting

I suppose Fallout 4, but I think that's too integral to the gameplay to count as a side mechanic

Kingdom Come: Deliverance had one, sorta.

[visual prairie]

We'll be watching Insidious (2011) on our server at 8pm Eastern. PM me if you want to join us.

[thorn nacelle]

Now i understand. Seems offtopic in LE is about Poe. And in Poe discord offtopic channel they talk about LE. Make sense now🤣

[junior oyster]

It's also about D4 when D4 season starts.

[thorn nacelle]

Titan quest 2. Greek mithology arpg game. Will give it a try for sure

[junior oyster]

Never heard of it

[thorn nacelle]

Me neither was random reading toxic comments on steam and somebody bring it up then had a look

[twilit mountain]

TQ1 is a bit old but they still update and make DLC for it iirc. TQ2 came as a surprise to everyone.

[thorn nacelle]

now i rememper when had a conversation about the oldest arpg games and was Diablo 1 or Titan quest 1 something

[jade jackal]

A hub building aspect is welcomed in such games

as long as its done properly and serves an actual purpose.

This is something many hack and slash roguelikes have been doing well

Speaking of, something I haven't seen done properly in an ARPG so far is exactly what arena horde roguelikes do, giving you a blank character to branch into different builds on when leveling up. Would be cool to see something like that as a side-game mode in an already existing ARPG

[thorn nacelle]

Can play Diablo 2 anytime also there is a mod version of it which people say is good but cant grind again from 0.
anythink close to Diablo 2 aka Grim dawn tried too but game was pure optimized unistalled.
So about Titan quest just cause has Greek mithology and also often people bring it up due random conversations about old good arpg games is another game on my list for the future.

Once i was in Diablo 4 discord had conversation about Breakpoints people say this is new game isnt like Diablo 2.
in 2024 i see there is a guy(Ava) try to make Breakpoints for each skill specially for Rogue atm.
Arpg games with out Breakpoints. Car with out lights

All this ofc takes time and requires effort to be made.

[jade jackal]

Breakpoints are a phenomenon, an afterthought and really something that ideally devs wouldn't want to include in their games

Its really a car without a cosmetic second exhust

The idea that often having better stats can lead to worse performance due to an internal calculation algorithm, and having to find these undocumented things, is only escapable through romanticization of gameplay knowledge

[thorn nacelle]

ok just to explain breakpoints. with out them u cant make builds

all those new arpg games wanna be are based on random powers stuck on top of each other basically nobody knows where is the end

where is the crit cap?

where is the crit dmg cap?

[jade jackal]

Last Epoch is doing just fine shedding a lot of seemingly aging ARPG mechanics

[thorn nacelle]

where is Dex cap?
etc

not talking about LE only.

[jade jackal]

Breakpoints are a side-effect, not the main course

You can plan a stat system without any

[thorn nacelle]

side effect yes that why 99% of DIablo 2 builds are based on them

ofc Poe and last epoch exist before diablo 2 right

[jade jackal]

D2's code and way of stat calculation is not really relevant to contemporary ARPGs

[thorn nacelle]

yes thats why Ava tries to make breakpoints in diablo 4 after 1 year of the game release.

[jade jackal]

If you wanna figure out APS Breakpoints in a game all you have to do is sit and document them. This isn't rocket science

[thorn nacelle]

have u ever played Diablo 1 or 2?

[jade jackal]

Yes I have.

[thorn nacelle]

which one and for how long what build

[jade jackal]

I have played a Hammerdin, and some Javazon, and I know that fast APS builds have to rely on them heavily

[thorn nacelle]

ok

[jade jackal]

That said - I don't see the need in romanticizing breakpoints as some sort of a must in modern ARPGs

Its there because it is a side effects of colliding mechanics.

[thorn nacelle]

from where did the modern arpgs created is the question.

[jade jackal]

I hope to god that from some original ideas, and not from regurtitating old mechanics over and over

If you try and immitate Diablo 2, you are just going to end up with a worse version of Diablo 2. ARPG devs should not do that. If people want to play Diablo 2, they will play Diablo 2.

[thorn nacelle]

For example i dont expect Devs to make breakpoints.
Personally i enjoy to play 1 arpg game which provides me Basic Info about the stats they bring into table.

so i can make a build based to that.

i am not trying anythink just saying that Based on breakpoints are created builds

seems u didnt learned during your gaming experience in diablo 2. its ok

[jade jackal]

A game many D2 fans skipped on was D3, which also heavily relied on APS Breakpoints for many builds

[thorn nacelle]

Diablo 3 doesnt exist for me

[jade jackal]

The whole ladder community got very close and personal with it

[thorn nacelle]

same goes for Diablo 4.

its fun cause you can min/max gearwise and achieve different thinks on a specific build. anyway

[jade jackal]

That's no different than what Last Epoch is currently doing, with or without needing to see if you gain 5% DPS if you add 0.03 APS

All it needs is theorycrafters actually sitting and forging builds

[thorn nacelle]

that Ava guy i mentioned before is doing sheets and about Mathematics the guy is rocking. but he is doing all that for free.

[jade jackal]

The community has always birthed everything it did at no cost

Not everything is about getting a quick buck really. That's saved for those who can't earn their money in respectful ways

[thorn nacelle]

Also saw a video on youtube or actually can post it here

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B2mqnuRalYA

is all about money nowdays

[jade jackal]

Yeah, its PirateSoftware, he is quite famous

[thorn nacelle]

reason quality died years ago

how to milk first prio.

i dont blame Devs or companys. peoples fault. what u give u earn

[fresh verge]

went to install poe and you know maybe i wont hahahaa

[thorn nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[thorn nacelle]

dunno i have like 400 days played in wow classic. if ever they release it fresh will play it again

[fresh verge]

400 days? damn. i feel like wow is more understandable because of the community aspect

I've connected with people way more during my time on LE

[thorn nacelle]

farmed rank 10 on warrior which is low max it rank 14. pvp requires 18hours min per day grind

[fresh verge]

than poe, i mean

[thorn nacelle]

speedrunned,dadrunned,turtlerunned raids etc played hardcore softcore. well its different gerne tbh.

and its too grindy if u wanna shine have to grind(no mastercards ofc) Actually p2w exists but still cant buy skill.(you going to be the last getting carried)

but never played Poe so cant say which game is better xD

[thorn nacelle]

community was super cool at release. ofc from Human nature toxicity exists everywhere.
thinks turned to ungly after past Tbc classic. heavy p2w people spending 30.000 euro to get 2 extra str on their gear.(season of discovery)*

we had like 4000 people discord Horde only 24/7 active on pve server always events to do raids and activities.

but if wanna be on top guilds of the world pvp servers is the place.

[hexed stream]

Breakpoints? Worst thing ever existed in arpg

It has no place in modern world when tech are better

If I attack 1% faster, it should be 1% faster, and if I want to know if something else is better, I do proper math to calculate diminishing return and opportunity cost

You know why Diablo series have breakpoints? Not because it's good, rather because it's casual friendly

[sand wigeon]

Which is great for Diablo, but not other ARPG’s.

[hexed stream]

Yeah, I mean, the most famous example is the 120% and 200% fcr breakpoint, you're telling me, the next 79% does absolutely nothing, that's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make sense

[thorn nacelle]

Good morning,breakpoints are there to create builds. Like even Elder ring has soft and hard cap and its new game compare to d2. How that helps? Instead of adding 500% to 1 stat and have no clue if actually adds dmg to build instead know that 100% is the cap helps the gamer to min/max his stats somewhere else instead. Reason Diablo 2 is still alive after 23-24 years and will never die. Those small thinks makes the difference. In d4 that mention community tries to build breakpoints but its hard cause skills doesnt react all the same or some of em are buged. Ofc its better just put whatever gear on and press buttons. But we need more info instead of that. Super mario has no breakpoints so its ok

[hexed stream]

You mistake cap and breakpoint

Cap is of course necessary

Meanwhile breakpoint is stupid, period

Reason d2 is still alive? Many, but definitely not breakpoints

Itemization is probably the most important reason

Nostalgia is 2nd

[thorn nacelle]

For me is annoying to play 1 x game and dunno where is the end of each stat. Cap breakpoint end whatever wanna call it

[junior oyster]

Don't care about breakpoints, caps etc. I wish all games could have an offline only mode as an option.

[sand wigeon]

Also, Elden Ring doesn’t have breakpoints. There is always an increase in the relevant skill, even if very minor, from levelling something. I think the only thing that doesn’t do this is dexterity spell casting speed. The soft cap just reduces the effectiveness of a level after that point.

Elden Ring is also not a top-down ARPG. It’s not a similar style of game at all and can only be labeled as such if you choose to use literal genre naming conventions instead of how the names are applied.

(I would personally not even begin to consider Elden Ring an RPG, but that’s more arguable.)

[sand wigeon]

For example, using non-accurate numbers but accurate methodology, leveling my Strength may increase my swords damage by three per level. However, this changes at level ten, and after it only increases it by two. Then another ten levels later, my strength goes down to increasing my damage by one, eventually capping at max Strength.

[sand wigeon]

I too, wish my always-online competitive shooter had an offline mode

[thorn nacelle]

I didnt compare elder ring with diablo 2. Second breakpoint/cap i mean for example on my dual wield scythe build must had 53 poise in order to perform perfect jump atks. That s an example.i know my english is not the best but atleast i tried to give an example.

[thorn nacelle]

D2 has offline mode which i played 3-4 years and when i am bored returning back there.

Everybody has his own idea about thinks. Personally not going to argue now. Elder ring is not an rpg but you start naked with charachter which u have to lvl up and gear up.

[hexed stream]

the end of the stat is cap
breakpoint is a threshold, not a cap

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, you're fairly spot on for poise. Poise is just poorly designed. It's effective no matter the level, just to varying degrees, as different attacks basically have different numbers that they beat. It just so happens that 53 ended up being something where a lot of attacks are nullified.

[thorn nacelle]

@hexed stream yes agree to that anyway u get my point i hope. I am school rpg gamer and like to have info on any stat Devs bring into table. Many modern arpg games does not provide that.

[hexed stream]

Really? I don't know any arpg that don't have some stat caps, like d4 caps armor at 8.5k and all res at 70%

Pretty compulsory I think

[thorn nacelle]

D4 fixed their ingame stats 1 year almost after release and armor cap was 11k before s4

Ress didnt not exist even it was diablo game. Further about atk speed? Crit and crit dmg

[junior oyster]

Apparently 2h mace doesn't count but 2h axe does

Oh it's close combat support that limits it

[thorn nacelle]

@hexed stream how long did u play d2? Just wondering cause in that legend original Arpg game each class had their own breakpoints.

And what about atk speed and cast speed?

So ya really in modern games their stats are basically Greek salat.

You see Barbarian build with 5000% crit dmg for example.

Mechanics in that game is just whatever u build Thorns build Barbarian u go to the boss and boss takes 0 dmg.

I dont know how many examples i can share about those Modern Wanna Be arpg games.

[hexed stream]

Not much before d2r, but around 3-4 seasons since

I don't understand your analogy to greek salad

D2 doesn't have crit multi cap, nor atk speed or cast speed cap

In LE atk speed and cast speed are 2 different things btw

Only d3 and d4 combine both stats into 1 single atk speed affix

[thorn nacelle]

How doesnt since there are breakpoints which shows the max u can get on each stat?

[hexed stream]

See, you still confuse cap with breakpoint

[thorn nacelle]

Ok i mean cap if i am playing lighting sorc i need 120 fcr

Anyway this convo wont bring anywhere. Seems u dont get what i mean. Its ok

[hexed stream]

That's breakpoint, not cap, because the next breakpoint is 200

[thorn nacelle]

Yes but you dont play 200 fcr as lighting sorc

[hexed stream]

You do, in sc quite a lot of people do

And which lightning sorc? Nova or lightning/chain lightning?

Anyway, I reiterate, it's a stupid design
You ain't telling me fcr 110 does nothing, 120 does something, then both 150 and 180 do nothing, but suddenly 200 does something again, is a good system

[jade jackal]

#📚┃off-topic message

☕

[thorn nacelle]

@hexed stream sorry at work chain lighting

Ya it is what it is.

[sinful rune]

Hey guys, what is this on the ground? I can't find this skill.

[vagrant topaz]

Try in #🧙┃mage

[fierce moth]

😱 Holy dear Diablo 4 need to download 93.54GB content

I'd like to say this is the first time to download a game under this type of size

I wonder what the dev team done in the game to expand the size to this crazy level

[junior oyster]

You can cut that in half if you don't choose the HD option

[fierce moth]

oh well nevermind. Sea of thieves just more crazy...I remember the size is 80GB while I downloaded it at the first time

!? Thanks bro you save my time a lot

[junior oyster]

No worries.

[fierce moth]

I must say this is another advantage of le. Only 22.16GB space is needed, the space diablo 4 needs is four times with le...

Diablo 4 test the internet a lot

[jade jackal]

How shocking will 150-200GB games today be to you?

[fierce moth]

😵 I'll not give them a try then because the internet I'm using can't afford this size. 80GB need 1h to download already

[junior oyster]

Kinda sad to think they removed the atlas major node which made the small nodes give double bonus

[fierce moth]

My mind: 200GB?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!? HOW?!

[jade jackal]

A single hour for an 80GB game doesnt sound too bad

Its not like you are busy downloading 5 games every day

But yeah, games are ballooning to 150GB and far beyond lately

Its quite reasonable in games like D4 simply for the use of a very wide asset kit, most of which is high resolution

There's very little enviromental element repetitiveness

[fierce moth]

The speed of the internet I'm using is 10.4-11.2MB/s if nothing else to block

[fierce moth]

...Done the download finally then tell me unable to connect the battlenet

🫠 Don't work still after I'm released, renewed and ip config and flush dns

Want to play this game just too hard

[junior oyster]

Dang

[hallow haven]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-AzPCKNigm

I didn't know what the word epoch meant and when my husband started playing a game called Last Epoch I thought that an epoch must be a creature of some kind and the game must be searching for the last epoch and perhaps the point of the game was to save it.

So I started to visualise what an epoch might look like and this is the image my brain conjured.

I tried to explain to my husband what I pictured but I couldn't really put it into words and I can't draw to save my life so I decided to crochet it!

Some unique fan art from my wife 🧶 😂

[regal cedar]

Haven't seen Deadpool yet, but Rotten Tomato Critic Score is low, and Audience score is high, so I automatically know it's a good movie. Audience score always > Critics for me

[sinful rune]

Thx

[indigo shadow]

Slowmode in Offtopic? 😂

[ember lake]

That is amazing and I want one! Can I send this to our team?

[hallow haven]

Of course! Glad you like it 😁

[vestal arch]

This reminds me so much of an old web comic called Hyperbole and a Half. In it the author was ranting about people using "Alot" instead of the grammatically correct "A Lot", and started to make "Alot" into an imaginary creature: https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html

Fun read if you have a couple minutes spare xD

[thorn nacelle]

[maiden widget]

rmt sucks

[thorn nacelle]

to be nr1 at ladder pvp ranks has to sugardaddy hard ^^

[junior oyster]

Lol so dumb imo

[thorn nacelle]

first time see this xD Oh its the new patch think in order to push corruption faster 😮

[thorn nacelle]

yes ofc xD

[junior oyster]

Haha Bliz always being the best

Maybe it was intentional.

[jade jackal]

Can we fast forward to the part where the west side of the map and a Crusader\Paladin class is unlocked

[junior oyster]

Pala is boring. I don't understand the reasoning people like that kinda class. It's bad enough we got barbs through d2 all the way to d4...

[jade jackal]

It can be called Crusader for all I care. The class lore and design philosophy is actually great, and a spectacle of sounds and visuals

Crusader is a bit more flashy

[junior oyster]

Yea I guess I just don't see the appeal of melee lol. Even though I am playing melee in poe but I'm honestly not enjoying it lol.

[jade jackal]

Most of their kit is ranged.

[narrow token]

I want monk, personally.

[jade jackal]

Monk is deader than disco after they gutted some of its original kit for the SB

[narrow token]

None of the other classes scratch that itch for me right now.

[junior oyster]

I see a bit of monk in spiritborn

[jade jackal]

They grabbed the combination hits straight out of the Monk

even Cyclone strike

[narrow token]

It's just not the same for me. Literally no new arpg I want to play has one. It sucks donkey anus.

[junior oyster]

What's disco?

[jade jackal]

That's because if you have played D3 Monk, you have already reached the peak of ARPG hand to hand combat mechanics

Get used to it never feeling like that again....

[narrow token]

So it seems.

It sucks. Maybe I just quit arpgs. This is no fun.

[junior oyster]

Can't lie the monk trailer for d3 was pretty cool

[jade jackal]

I think its incredibly awkward actually lol

Especially for a company producing high budget trailers at the time

But as a class, yeah, there was one Monk and there probably won't be another

Goodbye exploding palm, dashing strike, tempest rush, 7 sided strike, wave of light

[narrow token]

😭

[jade jackal]

I was lucky ordering the Art of Diablo book sometime in 2021

It includes tons of incredible original artwork of the class, concept art

And of course an original QcK Monk mouse pad, still in the box lol

[thorn nacelle]

They like pala cause Smiter was the cheap option for many years to clear Ubers. All this changed now with DiscoBall assasin which clears Ubers in less than a minute.

Paladin is the only class which i dislike either in d2 or wow.

[jade jackal]

The lore of summoning powerful thinderstrikes from the sky and casting large waves of light is simply awesome

Its really not that deep

Paladin being a melee class is a misconception IMO. Most of his kit is entirely ranged

[thorn nacelle]

Did ubers half naked Javazon offline with rank 1 Jab at the fix. Took me a lot time tho.

Paladin was the most boosted class in wow classic. Pve mostly. In Diablo 2 dunno with badget gear does the job but to really shine requires crazy endgame gear.

This bubble think and lay of hands. Get gut

[jade jackal]

Paladin had bad seasons in WoW, they took the nerf hammer to this class many times anyway
It did have stuff others didn't though. Amazing cosmetic sets.

[thorn nacelle]

Ofc are those people who try paladin as dps. The called Meme builds

Paladin i see does dmg at tbc a bit but still is support class then at cataclysm i see him at the metters. Rest of the wow history is just under the tank

[jade jackal]

How much are you aware of the times Paladin DPS specs lead the charts?

[thorn nacelle]

Dps in classic is warrior u can check my logs at my profil. Thats the meta. Mage-warrior thats it. Rogues do on some fights dmg but not close. Reason world buffs does scale better with Warriors and much more with Fire mages. Did speedruns was top 50 eu with dad guild so trust me i know who pumps or not 😂

[jade jackal]

Warrior has been the meta most of WoW's history, that's besides the point

[thorn nacelle]

Meme builds-> shaman ench,druid feral and paladins twohand was the meme builds

[jade jackal]

Arms has been a DPS meta for 2 whole expansions

[thorn nacelle]

Arms kekw

Which expansions sir?🤣

Cataclysm? Yes but thats it

[jade jackal]

That would be most of Legion, BFA

[thorn nacelle]

Not playing retail.

[jade jackal]

I can't dig into your brain and know which special caviats you think of when you pull blanket statements, sir

[thorn nacelle]

Who plays that sit tell me. I did 3 months is so hillarius. You have 3/5 set u do 20% less dmg. U get 5/5 from vendor and boom top dps. Sry sir i dont wave my mastercard to get carried and show of my curve.

F2p 30 warriors set up all the same gear and who pumps is the chad

[jade jackal]

I wouldn't know. Im a working adult. I often pay for my entertainment

[thorn nacelle]

I am also working. Thanks to Corona had this experience which was unique seems.

Did played so many hours actually days its too much to pay on top. Actually no need to pay. Others pay and i earn their gold. Cheaper like this

But that gets also boring keep carring people into raids. Reason i am done with wow. If new classic fresh then ya. Play retail with bots and mastercards asking for top 50 world in order to join their guild.. kekw

[ebon meadow]

As warlock just wanted to say I d body both

[thorn nacelle]

Speedruns aq40-naxx-bwl was hella fun but also crazy effort.

@ebon meadow did played Warlock at Tbc fire/shadow. Fire was way more fun than 1 button Shadow.

[ebon meadow]

I played afli in TBC

[thorn nacelle]

Death knight at Wrath where once Ulduar comed out quit.

[ebon meadow]

Switch to destro after

[thorn nacelle]

Also strong but had to play fire cause Fire mages in raid then after first clear they didnt saw their name on metters and went arcane..🤣

[ebon meadow]

Wow is single handle broke me to play ranged caster in every game ,it's like why not ? Just move and do damage

[thorn nacelle]

Ranged dps was always ez life compare to melee

[ebon meadow]

Even more broken than for example bow or range mele

[thorn nacelle]

Did played both and ye the pain as warrior was big.. had to time the raid grp speed in order to use my consumes each speedrun. On top cds management and also semi-tank bosses and trash cause we did big pulls etc

[ebon meadow]

I mean mages were dumb sick broken back then xdd just look at retail launch to original it's so funny that we knew a lot more then back then and obvious

[thorn nacelle]

Oh mate i rememper dunno if you played at that moment. Once Bwl released we went fire from frost. That ignite rolls oh boy

[ebon meadow]

I started late tbc with friends wasn't pushing ladder till a lot later with guild

[thorn nacelle]

Then 2 weeks after they bring they old patch with nerfed version Ignite still mages rock

[ebon meadow]

Then it was arcane mage after those

[thorn nacelle]

In classic if you had 5 good mages which can communicate was very very good but communication was the hard part

[ebon meadow]

Mage was holding as top DPS for way to long

[thorn nacelle]

Yes but in classic they did good on couple fights. Problem is mage needs mana warrior has rage

[ebon meadow]

Yea it was rather friends team speak or suffer

[thorn nacelle]

And also threat issues with ignite. Horde is harder to pump vs Ally side where u have paladin to save you

[ebon meadow]

Always horde lok tar ogar lol

We had shamy buff for people

[thorn nacelle]

But later on when fury-prot got gear with world buffs we had no problems

Parry haste was also an issue for tanks. Was hardcore to have 8 shamans and they had to move their totems every second for 1 hour speedrun + proper heals

Shaman is one of hardest class in classic. 2/10 can play it

[ebon meadow]

Yo shamys back then did they job if people were good at it

[thorn nacelle]

Specially twist totems for the melee.

[ebon meadow]

Like actual respect for people that were playing them

[thorn nacelle]

Yes 99%. Rememper had 1 shaman did play like this. Also had another guy which scamed the guild at the end... he drop 0 windfury mainwhile before thadius was like 1k dps with zulian hacker and i was watching him casting lighting bolts to get 99 parse.

So ya to find 40 good raiders on pve server is achievement.

If classic fresh straight to pvp server.

Is not how used to be. People dont gang you or anythink.

[ebon meadow]

I skipped the pve hard ride since cata I couldn't commit and I didn't want make excuses to not to ride every week

I just casually play expantions at this point do some raids and mostly play bgs I love that stuff to much

No game can replicate clashes like wow bgs

[thorn nacelle]

Gehennas for example cause did transfered there was nice server. Just Gdkp paradise. Just dont like this. Yes prefer this aproach casual instead

Rememper doing bgs in classic and also farm rank 9-10 on 2 chars.. that was hardcore.. people doing those bgs for years on private servers.no change

Open world pvp was fun too

[ebon meadow]

I m from Spain so my server was minahonda and I think we played twink in zul jin on down days

[thorn nacelle]

Was a guy did warsong farm for 10 years + on private server always druid. I never saw 1 guy carried whole team so many wins in a row lol

[ebon meadow]

No idea but tree druid was broken all the way from update to cata

[thorn nacelle]

Cant type the elixir which gives immune to stun. LE dont allow it lol

[ebon meadow]

My friend had some arena gear and I played his account 5 people literally gave up hitting me after 27 mint lmao

[thorn nacelle]

Arena in tbc was also fun but again are people who play together for years same combo i mean me pve vs them have no change. Till i get to the level they are expansion will be at the end xD

[ebon meadow]

Yea I live in a town of very tryhards ,they u were lb in pve and global PvP

[thorn nacelle]

Tried Warlock-Druid 2v2. Yes we got rekt. Druid is the master how to cc and when. And lock must finish the job but in practise is not easy

[ebon meadow]

I just can't remember the ratio I think it was like 2225 or some stuff

[thorn nacelle]

They had flasks-elixirs-pots-trinkets mana burn etc-sleep thinks-nets whatever u imagine😅 (bg)

[ebon meadow]

My friends were rouge druid combo for like 7 years

That was untill the age when warlock got his portal skill

[thorn nacelle]

The think i noticed is that either u focus pve or pvp. Both to be top requires 0 life

[ebon meadow]

Litch king I think

[ebon meadow]

Small fisher town back then was still touristic,but we played like 18 hours a day

[thorn nacelle]

Warlock is good has so many thinks but still some combos like paladin_warrior or druid warrior was crazy too

Yes pvp requires 18hours +

[ebon meadow]

Yea to compete defently

[thorn nacelle]

My friend had rank 14 weapons.. he rank up once pvp opened lol

[ebon meadow]

I still have to freaking find the warlock that rocked vanilla and had videos on Google play

He was Chinese and that only thing I remember

[thorn nacelle]

First of all before u try that must be single.otherwise u going to split up anyway cause takes 3 months to get rank 14 dayli 17-20 hours

[ebon meadow]

That's before yt yes boomer conversation

[thorn nacelle]

People also share accounts

Like 1 play 14 hours and then another logs for another 14 hours

[ebon meadow]

I mean people back then that was chasing gear would fix matches ,I remember throwing because it was dumb spend 30 mint PvP when u know it would go both ways and u couldn't rank

[thorn nacelle]

Thats why did rank my warrior at late game still was hard tho

Even for rank 10 took me 1 week nolife it and still people asking when u gonna stop?🤣

[ebon meadow]

Top ranks when getting char to bis gear would just fix out of knledge

[thorn nacelle]

But pvp gear is bis by miles for warrior in classic

Specially for speedruns

[ebon meadow]

I mean it's a warrior ,how many top warriors u actually remember xdd?

Not a lot of people endure that class back then to that extend

[thorn nacelle]

A lot. Was super hard to get that 99 parse. Cause u did good today next day u was top 10-50 again

[ebon meadow]

There's like 3 people I can remember from compilations of classic and I can't even name them

[thorn nacelle]

Yes ofc people play arms back then

[ebon meadow]

Fair arms was popular

[thorn nacelle]

Was the world buffs meta reason fury was top dmg

[ebon meadow]

Was that when they made u can dual weild ?

[thorn nacelle]

It scales so good and even in pvp if u ever see fury warrior dual rank 14 weapons as cloth u better run xD

[ebon meadow]

And it was literally a stack sticks

Ok yea that was screwed in PvP to I remember that

[thorn nacelle]

Yes they pop all cds and have like 4 healers behind ez going

[ebon meadow]

Was like " this suppos to be my easiest class to take on " wtf

[thorn nacelle]

Just cleave was enough

Not even on berseker stance cause u take 3% more dmg

[ebon meadow]

What's the troll race skill ? Corrupted blood or something

[thorn nacelle]

Was haste buff

And Orc had racial atk power if i am correct

[ebon meadow]

Yea and that was our card as horde back then lol

[thorn nacelle]

Also stun ressist 15% something

[ebon meadow]

Yea it was actually dumb broken it gave like rage and defences

[thorn nacelle]

My mage was troll and warrior orc cause of Axe skill

Human for swords and Orc for axes.weapon skill matters a lot pve wise

In classic atleast

[ebon meadow]

I always play undead extra cleanse trinket is just to good also feeding on corpses mages can suck it lmao

[thorn nacelle]

You always crit and big fat numbers and rage always to waste.

Till u get to execute phase then again big numbers

[ebon meadow]

Humans had really good racional so as night elf

[thorn nacelle]

Human was good vs stealth. Night elf was ok for open world pvp i guess

[ebon meadow]

One is detecting rogue and other just trolling with invi

[thorn nacelle]

Hunters in pvp was so annoying

Mana burn on spam

[ebon meadow]

And with beast were really annoying holy

[thorn nacelle]

Actually close to warrior power wise. If they had movement they could be a big problem

Shadow priest was nr 1 burst in pvp. 1vs1 no change

Geared ofc

[ebon meadow]

Hunters skill wise had a history in wow lol so much broken stuff PvP and pve wise

[ebon meadow]

Shadow was never made to 1vs1 bit in group PvP was hectic

[thorn nacelle]

So ya Hunter-priest-Mage pom pyro anf 1 good healer + meatshield infront and also 1 chad druid to carry the flag

[ebon meadow]

Yea that's min maxing at that point

[thorn nacelle]

Shadowpriest is only for pvp.. pve couldnt dps. Huge agroo issues

Prolly on ally side with salvation xD

[ebon meadow]

Hunter druid mage ,hunter druid was just u guys trolling

[ebon meadow]

Wasn't BFA shadow good ?

[thorn nacelle]

Ya cause druid cc you and hunter nuke you. Even in tbc 2v2 arena this duo was crazy

About retail i think most classes do dmg more or less

Did played a bit demonhunter last expansion was tough

[ebon meadow]

I joined bfa after leaving in cata and did my first raid in lfr lol that was a mission

[thorn nacelle]

If you do dungeon and blink wrong u died cause u fell off the floor example

[ebon meadow]

N'zoth holy took me a wile to find the video

[thorn nacelle]

Expansion was fun but this curve think... did push keys then again solo with no ingame friends in retail no change

[ebon meadow]

https://youtu.be/t9OTNGjaN5A

[thorn nacelle]

Cool 🙂

[ebon meadow]

I was yolo inf because all of us having different schedule

[thorn nacelle]

Done with raids xD or atleast so long new classic arrives. Raids on retail are fun but cant raid with pugs anymore xD

[fresh verge]

these are the only poe mtx i've bought in 10 years of playing (don't ask me about stash tabs)

[fierce moth]

lol Then it'll interesting

😆 Keep playing the same class in different games

Let me check out how blizzard craft their necromancer

[junior oyster]

D4 necro is trash. Same as the rest of d4 😂

[fierce moth]

The UI of diablo 2 remake version is pretty similar with poe oh my god

[sand wigeon]

D4 Necro is actually pretty good this season. Lotsa fun.

[fierce moth]

and the feeling is similar too...

Diablo 4 is more interesting than 2 without doubt

[sand wigeon]

Yeah. And the voice acting and visuals got seriously elevated in 4.

[fierce moth]

emmmmmmm

😢 Today isn't a good time to start playing Diablo 4 yeah

[jade jackal]

Maybe its going to be the first time i touch this game in 7 months

... maybe. we'll see.

[fierce moth]

last time you played D4 is 7 monthes ago?

[jade jackal]

I belive so yes. Since then I've been closely following all of the changes in mechanics and gameplay, waiting to see when to return

[fierce moth]

:) I don't know Diablo 4 in that time

[jade jackal]

wdym

[ocean rivet]

The crab ring summon

[hexed stream]

Wtf aug 6th? Why this time every arpg decide to crash onto one another?

LE 2 weeks before poe, then poe almost 2 weeks before d4, like, wtf

[fierce moth]

lol

👀 I guess an invisible treaty is signed in their circle

[hexed stream]

Or more like treaty broken

Originally would be: we each do 1 month apart, then: nvm, let the showdown begin

[maiden widget]

Cos Poe had 3 month leagues as the norm but lately won't say it too early would be my guess

[ebon meadow]

Internally bliz didn't care for for league/season start rotation bulking in to eachother so people could cycle them

Also they can't really account for others delay in stuff since Poe league was delayed due the expansion,perfect world would probably be around 2-3 month difference between so community would enjoy just having Arpgs to rotate all year long

But that's more of a dream then reality

[jade jackal]

Blizzard never cared about others' seasonal start dates

They work at their own schedule

[thorn nacelle]

thats not Diablo 2 Kirra

[thorn nacelle]

Unistall Game should be a 3rd option.

[thorn nacelle]

kekW

[jade jackal]

D4 bad, give me upvotes

[fierce moth]

lol

[ebon meadow]

GGG just put a stake in to their hart after last reveal ,they just can justify the cost of new expantion against a "f2p" game

[thorn nacelle]

thats how true Necro looks.

[ebon meadow]

It was literally was like wait we have more xdd

[thorn nacelle]

its just an alt not playing Necro.

[ebon meadow]

Yoo gigachad playing rework here lol

I might need to jump in to d2r at somepoint when summer is over and I have more time

[thorn nacelle]

Offline full bis gaming 🙂

@fierce moth thats Diablo 2 xD

[fierce moth]

lol My diablo 2 is Chinese version so i don't show it

[thorn nacelle]

3-4 years Grind no abuses or anythink.

[fierce moth]

😮 So much classes you owns

[thorn nacelle]

Did farmed Infinity before easy mode grand ressistance charms appeared to the game too xD

Diablo 2 is finally finished game.

[ebon meadow]

I have a copy somewhere on my pc that is a an old disket reimport that comes with hero maker lol

I d probably set some Devs back to kindergarden with that stuff

[thorn nacelle]

you have to create more chars aka Charms/Runes/Bases More free stash etc.

[quasi monolith]

based

[junior oyster]

Discount Jafar

[thorn nacelle]

Jafar was benched Javazon did the job xD

[ebon meadow]

Red number ecuals -nice

[sand wigeon]

Runes were the worst thing ever conceived

[sand wigeon]

I think my father owned a disc copy for a while, which is so foreign to me

Primarily because I've never owned a PC disk drive

[faint mauve]

yeah i do this when i have time. offline d2 allows me to have goals longer than what a 4 month season can lol

[fresh verge]

I never thought poe would change enough to get me back in but they figured it out

[thorn nacelle]

Morning, yes i tried once Ladder its fun but too many bots destroy the fun

Also is good to have geared offline chars cause once new Ladder gets released with new stuff automaticly can try it out in offline mode. Since release played offline cause of disconects issue back then too.

[faint mauve]

i dont trade too much , also play HC which has a more scarcer economy. but yeah it will frustrate you

if you like your d2 and play it deep then check out ruthless POE, even the kingsmarch update brought gheeds's system into ruthless, its different from non-ruth

[thorn nacelle]

Nah did tried 15 minutes Poe back then didnt like it

Farmed 4 years D2 offline assume thats deep 😅

Bots make game so easy thats why dont like Online. Softcore/Hardcore. Jah goes for 1 key week 1 of the ladder.

First 3 years of ladder was better cause this Bot industry wasnt that heavy then friend told me.

[paper breach]

Selfmade hardcore necromancer. Pretty good bosskiller so far 😛

At the same time - I have no idea why I went up to 9k ward there, haha

[faint mauve]

yeah i understand, but ruthless is more like d2 thats why id say to give it a chance

hows this for a ventors in ruthless lol

[faint mauve]

the more you try to compete economically the more you'll notice the RMT/botting etc. the less you trade the less it affects you too, or not trade at all

offline d2 is just better because you can use the /player scaling anyway instead of creating online lobbies for exp/loot and risk getting ganked

[thorn nacelle]

How u said offline is just better, did expand my friendlist by 100 people during that Ladder and yes community is ultra toxic and few kiddos. People fight over which area to farm terrorized or not. Dont have energie to deal with monkeys 😇

[thorn nacelle]

I see but why to play something which is copy-paste from D2 and not D2 instead. Reason Poe never hooked me could be xD

[faint mauve]

ah true but POE is more than just another clone

[thorn nacelle]

Also about gangs yes was full geared as disco assasin week 2 so had no issues with that

My friend used to play d2 just to trade mostly

[faint mauve]

yeh i have mates who botted d2 and earned 1000s a week

the rmt thing kept some of these players playing for 20 years on

[thorn nacelle]

Yes they make good money first month of the ladder atleast

But i have a job to earn money i play games just for fun

[faint mauve]

same pretty much lol

[thorn nacelle]

If you scroll up i posted something about 17.000 euro pvp item sold previus ladder in 23 years old game lol

[faint mauve]

yeh i know all about it

thats why i dont really like trading much in d2 , i dont have to use it

[thorn nacelle]

I know that was p2w but not in that level

[faint mauve]

last time i played was in s2 i did an assasin to 99 on HC

this was before sunder charms and traps

or whenever mosaic came in

[thorn nacelle]

Crazy max char for me was 96-97 didnt managed 4 years to go 99 even in softcore xD

[faint mauve]

my character was maxed except full 20 life/skiller GCs

[thorn nacelle]

Yes did managed to clear Hell mode before that too with my Javazon offline was cool experience

[faint mauve]

infinity, enigma, stone of jordan/bul khatos

[thorn nacelle]

Had to craft infinity tho

[faint mauve]

all solo found except exp which i hosted lobbies at lvl 95

otherwise you just cant level to 99 in a reasonable time

[thorn nacelle]

Then did my first Ubers clear with rank 1 Jab once they fixed Javazon took me 1 hour+😅

Had 1 guy from Poe asked me if i was self found... mainwhile was gaming offline D2😂

[faint mauve]

yeah i wish i did a javazon on ubers, thats one of my offline goals, hc tho so i cant test too much

whenever i did ubers back then its always zeal/smiter

[thorn nacelle]

Had no idea what self found is

[faint mauve]

no trade self imposed thing, not uncommon in d2

[thorn nacelle]

Did tried to lvl paladin but meh.. then tried my first ubers offline with Necro... was a nightmare 0 crashing blow mobs on any area mainwhile ubers portal was up then was the last time played necro

Had no beast or anythink. The good part with offline each rune u got must think a lot how to used it and where

Reason when saw Zod after 70384 cow runs didnt used it yet.. if find good eth base maybe then

[sand wigeon]

The only D2 build I am even aware of is thorns

Which is surprisingly viable from what I understand

[thorn nacelle]

@faint mauve Javazon for so many years S tier class. Really fun to play naked or full bis

Javazon-Sorc-Assasin mostly for ubers thats it. Now lvling Fire druid is ultra fun

[faint mauve]

yeah i played most builds including javazon of course

[thorn nacelle]

Fire Druid is Op if get right items

[faint mauve]

i havent tried mosaic so when i have it ill try it i guess , i only just started offline d2r few months back

[thorn nacelle]

Doing Diablo runs p7 lvl85 and mobs melting. But have bis gear

[faint mauve]

got my collection spreadsheet lol

[thorn nacelle]

Mosaic lol 40 seconds uber clears

Mosaic needs nothing. Just 2 base runewords and u set

Ofc Infinity assist on the dmg output but if u put the skills right has so much lifesteal immortal mode

And 250 lighting ress atleast to dont go 1 shot from Mephisto

[thorn nacelle]

Was collecting too.. after years saw new items and specially on terrorized zones. Its crazy how big variety of uniques this game has. Ofc new runewords make the game easyer too

[faint mauve]

well thats again why i like offline atm , because when i play ladder i speedrun

[thorn nacelle]

Mosaic its crazy strong just take care of your eyes. Enigma is also good to have otherwise leap skill is required to dont lose the charges

[faint mauve]

runewords are powerful, spirit etc

[thorn nacelle]

Yes ladder is speedrun mostly agree

[faint mauve]

playing offline i got more time to just use that C grade unique i never touch

i build hoto in like a few days

if i can switch off that knowledge and just meme around its quite fun haha

[thorn nacelle]

Once i am home can send u my set up about the skills if u like so u dont lose the life steal effect. Many today play disco assasin with out life steal

[faint mauve]

sure, never heard of disco assassin

[thorn nacelle]

You can play how u like and when u like. Thats why liked offline from the start. This freedom is nice xD ok

[shy sage]

Question, why people say don't play odd cycle in Diablo 4 until even one?

[placid yarrow]

D4 has two teams working on their seasons, one team does the odd seasons and the other does the even seasons. The team that makes the odd seasons isn't as liked as the team that makes the even seasons. Seems like their seasons get better reception overall

basically odd season team badge and even season team good

But you can make your own judgement

[shy sage]

😆🤭
More interesting things can be explored

[thorn nacelle]

Whatever season/circle they made since release personally didnt made me happy. Bugs-not finished or just boring content.

Each season has 1 broken power which based on that builds are made. Thats not Diablo i am afraid

Ofc each person has his own ideas about a game. 🙂

Instead pushing the D4 towards D2 they pushing it towards D3 cause community is like this too. Those who played D2 know but those who didnt have no idea so game follows that idea. D3 was a amazing arpg game took them 30 seasons to get gut.😅

[jade jackal]

Blizzard has pushed a Diablo game into being Diablo 2, its called Diablo 2 Resurrected

reads notes
Its made by a company later absorbed into Blizzard's own Diablo team, and after finishing this project, they were, infact, recruited to lead the DLC project, designing the Spiritborn and the new zone and mechanics

Their name was Vicarious Visions, and their 31 year history includes some of the most famous games

Regarding how seasonal content is made, yeah, there's a team for odd, and a team for even number. There's also an integration team, a QA team, coordinators, and anything you basically won't find on a smaller, remote, indie game company like EHG

Which is something people tend to forget when comparing EHG to giants such as Blizzard and GGG

[twilit mountain]

Fr. If you want to play Diablo 2 you can play Diablo 2. I don't want to play Diablo 2, and I don't want 4 to become akin to 2 either.

[maiden widget]

i find having a new broken char more fun than hammerdin galore in d2

[thorn nacelle]

those who made Diablo 2 dont think exist in that company nowdays.
in any aspect Diablo 2 vs Diablo 4 not even close.
Most trash Arpg game never saw in my life to have like 3-5 huge bugs at season release and same time each 3 days new Horses in Shop to buy.
thats what community is. they like purple butterflys and full graphics who cares if game is trash right. once i am 50 years old will try D4 again.

[jade jackal]

Bright colors don't make a dark game a bad game

There's this relentless obsession of devoted D2 players on turning every subsequent ARPG in the market to D2. Its not going to happen, for better or worse

[thorn nacelle]

its too late now its already gg

[jade jackal]

People who wanna play D2 can play it 20 different ways, from the original, to any of the standalone mods like Median, to D2R

Other devs want to create their own game. D2's original creators want to make their own game.

[thorn nacelle]

mate doesnt need to finish University to understand that D4 was made for MILKING reasons.
when was last time u saw 3 days early access if u give 20 Dollars more?...
i am willing to pay 200 Dollars but give me a finished game.

dont try to play with my Intelligence cause all fingers doesnt look the same.(blizzard)

[jade jackal]

Nobody was forced to pay more for early access, it had no competitive advantage in a none-season era, and the definition of a finished game is purely defined by the players. I also didn't like D4 when it came out, but barely played it since, but this has nothing to do with D2's existance.

[thorn nacelle]

Season 4 game got a better form but 1 year after release. so even the game its on BETA they asking for more money. imagine when expansion comes how much they going to ask and at the end is going to be trash again.
Blizzard period is all about quantity and not quality.

[jade jackal]

Nobody is forcing anyone to enjoy any game. Its all a choice

[thorn nacelle]

cant trust this trash company i am sorry. red card.

they fishing and who bytes gg. so local mafia works 🙂

[jade jackal]

I have no idea what you mean, since it probably got long lost in translation

But take it or leave it, D4 does not really come to cater to hardcore D2 fans. They are in the business of making money by market trends as a giant corporation, not in the business of doing fan services

[thorn nacelle]

seems u dont know how big Companys work nowdays. people are just numbers. each 6 months Company set target this amount of win otherwise people lose their jobs,work many hours,getting less paid.

reason best of their crew left Blizzard. when i see 21 years old Dev what should i expect? quality? kekW

[jade jackal]

You might have some trouble reading. Some of the devs behind the current leadership of D4 are 20+ year game dev veterans

I hate the game's monetization, and the very questionable balancing, but it still enjoys things very high budget games do. Visuals, sound, combat, animation

[thorn nacelle]

hmm behind yes coolstorybro cause in 1 year my eyes saw like 10 different Devs each season. you should try harder def Diablo 4. 😄

all the info is on google and youtube. gl

[jade jackal]

You have played the game for 600 hours, right?

[thorn nacelle]

who is she?

the veteran from diablo 2? i think she wasnt even born then 😄

[thorn nacelle]

did played a lot cause was together with Necro content maker from D2 and that guy doesnt give up only cause of his viewers.

i dont have a reason to lie. game is not finished and only think i see is money more money

[jade jackal]

I don't think ive played D4 for more than 50 hours. I think you got your moneys worth, 5 times over, frankly.

Looking at random people on the Diablo 4 team and knocking them off because they weren't developers on a game that came out 24 years ago is a bit... out of reasonable thinking

You want D2's developers? go ahead, play Torchlight infinite, see how you like the colorful visuals, characters, music and MTXs they have. Get a bit of a reality check on what D2 devs are doing today

[thorn nacelle]

@faint mauvehey mate, thats the basic tree in order to be able to life steal.

ez runeword after nightmare-hell if lucky can get it

[faint mauve]

just one gul ? lul

[thorn nacelle]

@jade jackalits ok mate, you have your idea about that game and me different.
did played many years wow,diablo 2.. bit diablo 3 and d4. all this what i share are negative experiences mixed all together.
there are many different ideas about this convo and wont end. some people want D4 to be D3 others D2 and others super mario.
have no time for this. People can choose what is better for them and maybe someday wake up.

[faint mauve]

i guess its double mosaic

[thorn nacelle]

you need 2 Mosaics and doesnt matter the base first craft. if you find with skillers on top gg example

[faint mauve]

yeah ill figure it out

[thorn nacelle]

claws of thunder or blades of ice.

[jade jackal]

They will surely stay asleep in grand delusions thinking the market will change to their will, laughing at people younger than 50 being on giant corporation development teams, and dying on hills everyone else have long stopped fighting on. I thought D4 is a boring contentless game, but I sure can't argue against someone with 10 times the play time I have in that game. Just so we clear, im not advocating for that game one bit. I would also not like it to turn into a worse D2 game

David Brevik, the creator of Diablo and Diablo 2 himself, never wanted to create a spiritual successor for D2 himself, knowing it would be futile

[faint mauve]

i have little in common with the modern arpg player especially one that thinks d4 is good

[thorn nacelle]

last about this convo cause wanna go play a bit is the most annoying part was example i dont mind u give us Beta game on full price, full on bugs etc
at least they tried no game was perfect at release few only. but dont ask for extra money and expansions the moment u try to fix your game...
storywise music wise and cutsceens wise what can i say? that they just ingored Diablo 2 story at 99%? i mean if u ingore your past u think there is future?

[jade jackal]

Im not the one with 600 hours in that one, for sure

[thorn nacelle]

you and your 600 hours u think are a lot? casuals

[jade jackal]

Not casual, just a hard working adult

But i sure as hell won't put 600 of my free ones into D4, to then crusade against it

And most of Diablo's story is told in books and retconning anyway. These devs didn't have much to work with, yet stil somewhat did

[thorn nacelle]

yes so if u are hard working adult and u have less experience about something why u writing books wondering 😄

[jade jackal]

I didn't write Diablo's books. Someone else did

Here's an article listing them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Diablo_novels

[thorn nacelle]

i rememper was 14 years old watching people try to hit lvl99 at diablo 2. took them like a month 12-14 hours dayli and if u die 1 time gg.
thats hardcore playstyle doesnt fit to nowdays softcore community.
people nowdays want 1 week to play 1 X arpg game be full gear and quit after that.

[faint mauve]

im still that 14 year old lul

[thorn nacelle]

haha ❤️

[faint mauve]

well a month 12 - 14 hours of course not, i took this week off tho

[thorn nacelle]

Baal runs only was then i rememper. endless Baal runs 😄

[faint mauve]

you dont have to do 12 - 14 hours to reach 99

[thorn nacelle]

cause after 95-96 level u earn way less exp.

[faint mauve]

but yeah you need some determination and knowledge

[thorn nacelle]

yes that requires time so xD

[faint mauve]

im doing hcssf ruthless atm, ladder lul

[thorn nacelle]

Now its way easyer to hit lvl99 cause of Terrorized zones.

[faint mauve]

yeah its a hit and miss , because the threat doesnt increase much and you get easy access to ilvl 85> items

but it also provided us with some variety

[thorn nacelle]

once did Ubers at 96 with my Javazon died a lot. rememper lost 1 level there

[faint mauve]

d2 is addictive because the itemization is the game itself

anyway poe ruthless is my main now, most challenge for me in this genre

[thorn nacelle]

is any different from normal Poe? or its the same? have fun mate 🙂

[faint mauve]

very different, very unpopular with poe players

[thorn nacelle]

i am thinking to give a try D2 moded i heard that they did nice changes there.
Community did the job again. Dont have that crazy free time now tho xD

[faint mauve]

yeah i do pd2 once in awhile

i leveled a druid to 95 in like 1 week and then stopped

picked up a bul khatos ring so that was nice , and the minimum OP stuff like CTA/HOTO etc

both d2r/pd2 has their own place, and can add median xl too

[thorn nacelle]

Bad rolls Ravenlore but offline mode its gg anyway. one of the most rare items in Diablo 2.

Maxroll said Andariel Terrorized is not good place to farm. just to know best Boss in diablo 2 atm. drops everythink

[faint mauve]

ravenlore shdnt be rare. i guess tc87 , then you can go to stuff like jmod, ias jewel, perfect facets etc

[thorn nacelle]

for example i got 3 Gryphons 2 Jordans then Ravenlore.. 1 time saw this item in 3-4 years

[faint mauve]

i mean its all rare asf and its not guaranteed to drop in 1000 hours

unless you specifically make a speedrun challenge and then join the club of min maxing

[thorn nacelle]

even my real life friend from greece delete me from friend once i told him got Ravenlore (he was ultra no lifer with d2//softcore/hardcore)

also Zod kekW ya so 😄

[faint mauve]

i never saw a zod in s2

cham dropped and gemmed on my helm

[thorn nacelle]

yep, are people nowdays after 23 years never saw Zod. thats a fact

[faint mauve]

i mean offline you can just /players right haha

[thorn nacelle]

thats the magic of this game. this extreme rng which can make u happy or super annoyed

yes still farmed my eyes in cow runs 😄

[faint mauve]

i set my own rules like only change player setting per game

[thorn nacelle]

i started p3 cause didnt had gear then went to p5 then last to p7

[faint mauve]

not hit esc and scum each map boss lmfao

[thorn nacelle]

cause speed matters. if u need 20 mins to clear 1 cow run at p7 its better to farm it at p3 instead

[faint mauve]

yah you go speed

[thorn nacelle]

the more times u roll the dice the better % to see something

[faint mauve]

do pindle / shenk kek x100

[thorn nacelle]

actually Zod is just flex.. Jah was more valuable for me at that point or Ber.

Infinity-Enigma prio

[faint mauve]

yah offline hits different when you farm ur own runes

[thorn nacelle]

rememper was farming for a month Nightmare then went to Hell(before terror zones appeared)

[faint mauve]

and then spawn your own dclone

[thorn nacelle]

yes my own clone saw him 2 years after 😄

you dont get Jordan ring every day

[faint mauve]

most so called d2 players cant even engage in what we are discussing tbh

[thorn nacelle]

on ratio what i noticed 50-80 unique rings to get 1 jordan

if u are lucky

[faint mauve]

jordan used to be 1/1000 nightmare andy

[thorn nacelle]

yep rockie numbers xD

[faint mauve]

now with tz etc its kinda changed

[thorn nacelle]

tz made game way easyer vs before for sure. i couldnt enter into Hell mode with my Javazon.

[faint mauve]

i know all this still by heart lol

same kinda knowledge applies to poe also on the deep end

last epoch too maybe but im not deep in it yet

[thorn nacelle]

people say Diablo 2 very easy game. yes go naked to clear Hell mode ( no tz charms ) no mastercard
and if u dont go 1 shot on the first pack let me know 😄

and ofc not as Paladin-Necro.

[faint mauve]

most so called d2 players just cleared hell baal once and then picked up d3 i reckon

[thorn nacelle]

then go do Ubers once Mephisto see u and u not Lighting cap gg. if you dont know how to pull Ubers and all 3 come to you etc

even from Lilith can go 1 shot if not Poison capped. mini uber

[faint mauve]

d2 is a game of rng, it applies from map , elites , gear etc

elites are what mostly kills you

[thorn nacelle]

now i go to play diablo 4 and in order to do endgame content must p2w to get tokens to be able to do that boss.
no sir i wanna play the game and earn those tokens and then be able to farm the boss by myself. example

[faint mauve]

theres no progression in your character

[thorn nacelle]

instead adding 90 euro horses add them as rewards for the player. but their IQ levels are like no comments.

[faint mauve]

you start and do the same thing to tier iv and have your skills activated immediately

anyway enough about it , bed time haha cya

[thorn nacelle]

laters 😄

[hexed stream]

d4? sounds nothing like d4

can't think of any p2w element in d4
it's mid, but at least no p2w

[thorn nacelle]

If you say so then its so. There is a d2jsp google it. Then listen the sounds

People nowdays can p2w even in super mario in order to win time. Thats not my think about that game on general. P2w will always exists

[jade jackal]

There's no single ounce of P2W in D4, get over it

[thorn nacelle]

Oh he is back left general channel the casual hard working adult. Same i was thinking too but u see people with 10 hours played full endgame gear was wondering how? Magic🤣

Also was wondering why so many bots farming tokens hmm

[jade jackal]

Have a glass of cold water. I'ts ok. Users can spend their time wherever they want.

[thorn nacelle]

Seems u dont know about D2jsp site either right.

[jade jackal]

D4 has no official P2W, end of story. That's irrelevant.

[thorn nacelle]

Brb must watch a movie. Its good to believe what u believe.

P2w and dupping was never official or going to be😅

[jade jackal]

Than kindly feel free from making up stuff that has never existed for the purpose of justifying point nobody cares about

A movie is roughly 90 minutes on avarage, plenty of time to think of the incredibly goofy posts.

[thorn nacelle]

Is not bad to have 0 idea u not the only one. Have 40 years old+ friend who is master about trades and has connections. Each season week 1 had full stash of tokens. Dunno how but.

Only in Last epoch Devs are smart and dont like this kind of stuff and respect for the bans

[jade jackal]

Do you realize the difference between cheating and paying money for an advantage in a legal way?

[thorn nacelle]

They doing both same time

[jade jackal]

The former is being a dirtbag, the latter is P2W. There is a difference

One of them companies allow, one of them they do not

[thorn nacelle]

Diablo 2 is full of that each ladder, diablo 3 had rl money auction hause, diablo 4 has this akward tokens think to be able to see bosses. All this happend random and ofc 0 bans. In wow bot industry too. Lemme guess why they dont do nothing over 20 years. Usa-Eu-Asia has big bot farmers which when 1 x arpg gets released they focus on it cause they know losers will always spend money to buy gold,gear etc. Its just nowdays industry. No hard feelings.

[jade jackal]

None of this is official, none of this is intended

[thorn nacelle]

What means official

[jade jackal]

D4 has no pay to win, despite being stripped entirely out of morals

use google translate, there's only so much dealing with a third grader's level English can carry conversations before the other side loses their mind trying to decipher text

[thorn nacelle]

There are like 10 different internet sites where u see popular rpg games where u can buy stuff

Why has to be official? D2jsp is like 20+ years there

[jade jackal]

Because. Blizzard. Has. Never. Designed. A. System. That. Let. Users. Pay. Them. To. Be. Stronger.

Read slowly.

[thorn nacelle]

Yes they never did that but they do nothing about it

[jade jackal]

Read again, and again, until this gets into your brain. They did not design a system that lets people pay them directly to have an advantage over others without money. P2W was never, ever official

[thorn nacelle]

And will never be official

[jade jackal]

If you are familiar with some groups of cheaters on some god forsaken eastern bloc place who love cheating, all the power to them - that has nothing to do with an official P2W mechanic

[thorn nacelle]

Losers are not official are they?

[jade jackal]

Every player, regardless of their financial situation, was always able with absolutely 0 funds to be on the leaderboards.

Despite - despite cheats existing

[thorn nacelle]

So this official think what has to do if p2w and dupping exists already in their games?

[jade jackal]

At least in most banwaves

Official means built, supported and endorced by the company, actively, officially

translate.google.com

[thorn nacelle]

What banwaves? Lol

I enjoy the fact that u play the smart guy.

[jade jackal]

The ones that occured in some ladders \ seasons

[thorn nacelle]

Keep going try harder🤣

[jade jackal]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Diablo+banwave

[thorn nacelle]

Every single game that blizzard has made has bots and p2w.

[jade jackal]

What do you think P2W means?

[thorn nacelle]

But is not official

[jade jackal]

If its not official, it does not exist by blizzard

You can't make this minimal distinction

[thorn nacelle]

Omg d2jsp 1 example means u turn real life money into currency of d2jsp and u buy stuff in their games. Or you go straight to china farmers and buy gold(wow) but u know what is not official🤣

[jade jackal]

If its not official, its not Blizzard's fault. Cry them a river.

[thorn nacelle]

Did i said that Blizzard did this?

[jade jackal]

People have always offered boosting services, coin selling, account selling. There are things they can't do

If you make up an a claim like D4 having P2W, know that technically, its very incorrect

[thorn nacelle]

They cant do. Oh we got a blizzard fun boy here

[jade jackal]

How crappy the game is is irrelevant

[thorn nacelle]

KekW trash company

[jade jackal]

Trashier community, honestly. both are

[thorn nacelle]

They cant do u know why? Cause bots in wow means more subs per month equals to more income in their pockets. Not official tho

[jade jackal]

Not treating botters is one thing, active P2W is just another level. D4 does not have the latter

I have played many MMOs with botters, but despite that they were still decent

[thorn nacelle]

Community earns what it deserves. No problem with that. Go play retail wow to see what community exists nowdays then understand why its p2w. Not official tho

[jade jackal]

I haven't touched WoW in years. Its not interesting to me

[thorn nacelle]

What makes you so sure then that in d4 there is no p2w or dupping? Cause of the quality they surve on their other games?

[jade jackal]

P2W is a term saved only for official ways of gaining adventage by monetery ways

It does not, in any capacity, apply to cheats and hacks. Whatsoever, never has.

This is I think the same "breakpoint" confusion we had. This is a language barrier problem here.

[thorn nacelle]

There are gamers who dont know about those stuff cause never had a change to play with people who boosting Content makers to shine so u can youtube and watch his guide.

How u think all those streamers popular content makers getting full bis week 1? From their fan base and from other connections.

But all this not official

[jade jackal]

That's very untrue. Some of them document 100% of their playthroughs, from the second a league begins until the very end

Bold, blanket, very wrong statement.

[thorn nacelle]

Some so its 100% untrue read what u say

[jade jackal]

I don't follow 55,000 ARPG streamers. I prefer not using blanket statements.

[thorn nacelle]

Yes good night

Have to watch my movie. You are free to believe thinks how u like. I was playing with content maker from to d2 till d4 and in 10 minutes if he liked could get full stash of tokens but ya 100% untrue and not official blanket statement.

[jade jackal]

English is hard, lessons are easy. Learn more, argue less.

[thorn nacelle]

English never intersted me cause i am Greek. So copy paste languange what i know is already too much effort. Atleast u know how thinks work its something. Not official

[jade jackal]

naive statements can easily turn into false accusations, misunderstandings and attempts to prove points there were never argued against.
||Οι αφελείς δηλώσεις μπορούν εύκολα να μετατραπούν σε ψευδείς κατηγορίες, παρεξηγήσεις και απόπειρες να αποδειχθούν σημεία που δεν αμφισβητήθηκαν ποτέ.||

[thorn nacelle]

Ya bla bla laters

[trim musk]

Sheesh. This Zanzil guy always rubs me the wrong way, and this takes the cake.

[sand wigeon]

It's the D2 enjoyer virus. /s

[jade jackal]

Its the kind of people you learn to meet in ARPG communities. There's nothing to be too alarmed with. There's a universe where you can be a D2 enjoyer and also enjoy any other ARPG game. I try and really play them all

[hexed stream]

bro don't even know what p2w means

debate like this is useless

it's like arguing about gender equality and lgbtq matters, and when you ask the other party what it means to be a woman, he/she leaves

is elden ring p2w? is a player paying for another skilled player to win the game p2w?
if a person can pay another skilled person to play the game, by definition, every single game in this world is p2w, even good old tetris or snake

[jade jackal]

I think that the language barrier here is the biggest problem

[vestal arch]

I mean, only if you really want to boil it down to the point of "you pay to play the game, can't win the game without the game", and by that point what are you really even talking about xD

Also, everyone reading this just lost The Game 👿

[jade jackal]

I didn't buy the game, i can't lose in it

I hope it doesn't have P2W

[vestal arch]

The Game has never been p2w

[hexed stream]

can accuse d4 of anything, but p2w is not 1 of them, the only diablo that is p2w is immoral

[jade jackal]

I think that S5 is unironically where I might try this game again after not touching it from pre-season

[hexed stream]

I'm still pretty torn, poe is only 1 week into league, still have so many things to do and chase

[junior oyster]

I can't lie I'm finding the league upgrading the town mechanic to be pretty slow and boring.
I'm basically doing maps as normal but adding in some fights for ore.

[hexed stream]

ya it's kinda slow and the runesmithing is downright disapointing

moreover, various farming strats this league are messed up

[sand gorge]

was inspired by this USA gymnastics team.. Decided to draw Suni Lee... Enjoy

[tawny sand]

thq nordic is having a showcase, idk if there'll be any Titan Quest news but who knows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUG0F4khuwE

[junior oyster]

Cancelled 😉

[fierce moth]

🤔 The first legendary item I get is a pants... The game is more interesting now

🤔 The main entertainment for me is discover random side quests and complete them or enter a random dungeon to find what's inside

[junior oyster]

It's just a rare with a random legendary roll that's specific to that equipment.
But yea gg.

[fierce moth]

That's too immersive when you explore your direction on the map because things you can do is various enough in D4

D4's story-telling is the top level without doubt

🤔 How to check out the playtime of D4? Batlle net show nothing about that

[jade jackal]

Titan Quest 2 looks jank

I hope it will end up an interesting game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQ_9OK8pPI

This trailer looks a bit like a kickstarter trailer

[steep gorge]

so how many people have noticed the moderator's taking peaks at private conversations and then being reported for thought crimes ? part of the woke movement, thought crimes.

[jade jackal]

.... what?

[steep gorge]

can you expand on your ".... what?"

found there studio's phone number, im going to try to get them on phone. located in delaware

[jade jackal]

Is this drunkposting

am i being punk'd

[soft fulcrum]

I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but feel free to submit a modmail or support ticket and we'll get it sorted out!

[thorn nacelle]

Every person has his/her own experiences and ideas about something.
Personally have no time to waste here agruing about what is wrong or right.
Now about if i know what is p2w or not is another story. did played enough years to build this info.
Father bless

[hexed stream]

sure everyone is entitled to his own opinion, even flat earther
just expect that nobody will agree with, though

[thorn nacelle]

thats 1 example. not official

yes whatever. u free to believe what u like. laters

[hexed stream]

yeah, at least I'm good that the majority is with me on this

and so are industry standard and definition

[thorn nacelle]

the majority has 0 clue is not that bad think.

[hexed stream]

oh, another one deluding that his belief is above all others

[thorn nacelle]

my picture shows what i say. i have nothing else to add i am afraid.

[hexed stream]

anyway, d2jsp is the stupidest example of diablo being p2w, if anything, d2jsp proves the opposite

[hexed stream]

the existence of d2jsp proves that d2-4 is nothing p2w

[thorn nacelle]

did u look the picture? have u seen how many games are there? jesus

there are like 20 more sites like d2jsp

[hexed stream]

whatever site doesn;t matter, as long as those sites aren't made by the same company that make the game, that's what truly matter

[thorn nacelle]

what proves when u see 1 char with 10 hours played week 1 at season full bis. hmm i guess requires University degree to understand that guy got boosted.

[thorn nacelle]

doesnt matter yes u are right.

[hexed stream]

I am, and I know it

[thorn nacelle]

ofc u are kekW

[hexed stream]

of course I am

[thorn nacelle]

Ye ye i have no more time to waste with you. take care 😄

[hexed stream]

same, you're just the same as flat earther, nothing will change your delusion

[thorn nacelle]

P2w will always exist either its Official(Diablo Immortal) or not. Historically always was there.
whatever else is just music to my ears 🙂

[hexed stream]

next time I'll tell my friend, just because I can buy service to get all steam achievement in elden ring, that makes elden ring p2w too

or dota2, lol, same story

or those shooting games

every game in this world can be interfered with money, even tetris or super mario

so yeah, if d2-4 is p2w, every single game in this world is p2w, because technically you can use money to buy anything: time, skilled player's service, item

[thorn nacelle]

Personally never paid 1 single euro for any service. Whatever game i bought instead played it and tried to be good.
thats me. is not bad think to pay and get help many people do and once they see somebody says something about they getting offended like you now.

if you dont mind now i must go play this

laters and have fun 🙂

[hexed stream]

same for me, I used d2jsp but never spent real money on it, all the currency there was hard earned by selling items I farmed
but I think it's ok for everyone to use money how they like as long as it's not for illegal purpose, maybe immoral, but as long as not illegal

[fierce moth]

I'm immersed in playing d4 completely now...So much fresh things waiting me!

Played the necromancer 7h only though

[hexed stream]

I swear, if anyone complained about poe last league being among the worst in the history, I present to you this current league

sure league mechanics was interesting for the first few days, but after honeymoon phase is over, reality slaps really hard into the face: all farming strats are 2-3x poorer, all chase items (10+ div and above) are 2-3x more expensive, and most importantly, you can't even sustain your own favorite map

[fierce moth]

I wonder how am I import my build by opening my saves from battle net though...Anyone know the way?

[thorn nacelle]

https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/sorcerer/ball-lightning-flickerstep?tab=paragon-board Not from Maxroll tho.

thats a random build just showing you the way.

[hexed stream]

I prefer mobalytics for d4, think the builds there are more polished out

[shy sage]

All of data can be imported manually only?

This case is as same as maxroll

[junior oyster]

I don't know which season it was but them removing the atlas major node which doubled smaller nodes was a huge nerf imo.

[thorn nacelle]

You have to download that app first then activate it so once u are online ingame can have this window active and copy-paste your build. Is not near like maxroll.

I just alt-tab friend of my showed me this site back then s2. Also heard that they made this d4 even more arcade mode for s5 many nerfs and endless loot. Was wondering why to need that loot since game is so nerfed.

[fierce moth]

🙃 Well I'd thought the feature on the web is enough...alright

[thorn nacelle]

Good luck! Also have a content maker Necro since d2-d4 if u wanna have a build idea. I did played also bit necro s4. Skulm his name

[fierce moth]

The first impression D4 give me is it's a good name, if last epoch come true my dream on exploring different builds from various skill trees and combos of items, then Diablo 4 show me how it fulfill my desire that enjoy the own adventure which formed by random dungeons and side quests.
But the associate service is rocky, I need a net booster to connect battle net in game and VPN can't work, I can't check out playtime and achievements out of the game, super troublesome even you want to check out your builds only... 🤷‍♀️
Pros and Cons are sharp and clear.

[thorn nacelle]

Gaming from Eu not using Vpn. Overall side quests in D4 are bit boring.. dungeons are okay. Last epoch and D4 need a lot of work and cant compare cause wont be fair to do so. Diablo 4 could be the best arpg in the market if had smart devs.

[fierce moth]

Under the comparison, LE tool is much much convenient because it can import my saves by single button and check out my builds from here anytime

[thorn nacelle]

Yes its way simplyer thats why its better.

I just make 1 x build then copy paste it into my alt-main and thats the save.

[fierce moth]

Yeah exclusive shortness for Chinese. So much internet limit on playing games in Chinese mainland.

[thorn nacelle]

Btw best D4 content makers since d4 got released each season are Chinese.

[fierce moth]

🤔

[thorn nacelle]

Eu plebs copy-paste their builds

Cant link now but for Barbarian and Sorc have 2 Chinese guys which where top in previus seasons

[fierce moth]

I just care about necromancer temporaily haha :)

[thorn nacelle]

Ok then youtube Skulm

Also has Discord server can link you private.

[fierce moth]

...I still need to type all of them one by one even in app

No import button really?!

It's suppose to a tool for writing your build down nor a pure planner...

And I has no idea what's it because only skill tree available in my game so far

[hexed stream]

need a net booster to connect seems like ISP issue rather than game issue, I'm from 3rd world country and it connects just fine, or maybe your country has some weird restrictive internet?

[fierce moth]

No idea

[faint mauve]

same thing with POE's tft anyway , as long as your hands are clean just ignore the dodgy eh

zanzil is one of those people who will probably never understand trade and will be the ssf enjoyer for life. arpgs learnt from d2 and try different ways to solve this issue

i like both and trade is only there for me to use as little as i want to , i can farm and sell my own stuff to not feel disadvantaged

in d2jsp people also use the fg to rebuy gear the next season or another game such as poe , its also for free

[maiden widget]

that'd require blizzard to output your chars outside of the game but they dont

[fierce moth]

they don't? What's it mean

[jade jackal]

It means they have to build an API that will directly connect to their own server databases

[fierce moth]

😵 I searched a build planner for D4 players who can import my data from battle net and spent one hour but nothing I get

[maiden widget]

there is none as blizzard does not export the data to other people basically

[fierce moth]

......Emmmmmmmmmmmmm

oh my god. 2024 now. Still no data is available just for a build planner?! What Blizzard is doing...

[maiden widget]

i am pretty sure its the same for most action rpgs at the moment especially for online modes

[fierce moth]

Centralization is too much...

[jade jackal]

LE's API is also in somewhat of a beta phase, and is only used internally or with partners

[maiden widget]

oh right forgot they have that going privately for now

[jade jackal]

This is nothing to do with complex, scary words like "centralization"

Blizzard might release a character build API when an armory patch comes out, who knows

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ At least EHG give me save files for importing data on le build planner

Well I guess it's relevant to D4 only available when you connect your battle net account (online mode only)

[jade jackal]

Are you able to get your build entirely displayed when linking a bnet account?

[fierce moth]

I find zero website can help me to do this thing

[jade jackal]

Yeah I dont think they ever released an API for this game, at least not yet

[fierce moth]

This website closed to the answer the most but...

1. My battle net account from Hong Kong
2. I don't know the meaning of words behind of US and I need to pick one

[thorn nacelle]

Wowhead is mostly for wow tho..

i mean just alt-tab easy going xD

There are more sites about D4 build creation

https://d4builds.gg/builds try this too

[fierce moth]

😂 No idea. I never know how good le tool is until I'd tortured by the fact that Blizzard never share API so no website can help me to import my build directly.

[thorn nacelle]

Blizzard is small indie company cant provide that yet

[fierce moth]

?

[fierce moth]

lmaoooooo

Sorry brust into laughing

[thorn nacelle]

https://d4builds.gg/builds/23ae9cbb-933e-4a88-999c-2241654cc8e2/?var=7 try this then press create new build

or My Builds you should be able to make your own build like this and prolly save it.

[thorn nacelle]

all good 😄 laugh is always good 🙂

[fierce moth]

Yeah select them one by one is the only way. I'm new so I don't know what're these and just want a single IMPORT button 🫠

[thorn nacelle]

ahhh u searching excactly the same think how its in LE tools to be in Diablo4 tools site etc... i see

[fierce moth]

The reason why i must support LE +1

Well to show my support, I decide to create the first new class in 1.1, lich tonight

[thorn nacelle]

tbh LE has way more future than D4 for sure.

but i never played Acolyte in LE to compare playstyle vs Necro from d4.

[fierce moth]

Too ridiculous that D4 don't has the own web parter to do such a single work, build planner as one of famous companies in game industry

[thorn nacelle]

Who cares about webs so long Shop ingame provides 90 dollars horses all good

[fierce moth]

The first class I played to start my journey :)

[thorn nacelle]

i did played Falconer and this Cicle again. i enjoy Rogue mostly 🙂

wanna try Bladedancer next season

[fierce moth]

LE don't allow me to enjoy rogue. Zero excellent unique bows I can use yet

Done double lv.100 classes from acolyte so I'd like to explore the last one too

[thorn nacelle]

yes,sadly there isnt any pure Bow/Xbow aka Ranger build only hybrid mode throwing/Melee dmg

reason wanna try Bladedancer next cicle. Falconer build was fun either bow or melee set up but its Minion build still xD

[fierce moth]

LE become a bit boring after touch D4 lol

[hexed stream]

The weakness of LE is combat feel

[jade jackal]

I would say its a mix of a few things. "combat feel" wildly varies between masteries in this game.

Falconer builds feel like Last Epoch 2.0 next to most stuff Primalists and Sentinels have to deal with

[lone compass]

death seal and reaper form feel great but could use some tlc from the devs

[fierce moth]

It's not relevant to combat, no weakness in LE's combat (only 3s cooldown time for the evade and you can use it twice instantly but you must wait 5s per evade in D4, so much resource on improving movement speed in LE but I'm not see many in D4 yet).
Fresh feeling on wonderful story telling and non-linear exploring is my reason. Exploring different areas in the same map and meet different encounters is immersive (I suppose I played LE's storyline for 5 times is one of reasons too, I just read D4's story for the first time)

I would say Pros and Cons between both of them is complementarily lol

[narrow token]

Combat feel is weaker here of course, but I think it's due to sound design. A lot of the sounds lack that really heavy bass punch.

[sand wigeon]

You can very easily get five dashes in D4, by the way.

And most classes generate movmement speed in some way.

[hexed stream]

sound is only a small part, I think the most imminent issue is monster density, LE suffers from d2 monster density issue which is not suitable for modern era

there's a very good reason GD had to buff density, and even d4 had to buff density 3 times in a row already

[narrow token]

That's not going to do anything for me, personally. But to each their own I guess.

[hexed stream]

and also the reason why d3 (despite its bad progression system) and poe (despite its zoom zoom issue that quite some dislike) are still considered as the arpg with the best combat feel in the genre

it's a genre defining issue

same reason why TQ1 nobody plays on standard x1 monster, always start with x3 and when strong enough, x10

LE on the other hand, more often than not it's 1-3 monsters per screen

[ashen osprey]

New ISP doing a good job, and appearently I'm almost sitting on the EU servers 😄

[shy sage]

🙏 Just done my massage and feel what extreme painful and sore is.
It's like... I'm the dough which rolled and kneaded by the teacher...My blessings, even burst into tears because it's too painful when his hands pulling my butt 😅

I swear my body is more important than my progress of a game now.
Remember taking your rest!

(Where I gone is a professional agent to do massage so I'm pretty relaxed and comfortable after a few tough progress ☺️)

[thorn nacelle]

Frankfurt? xD So was habe nee gesehen bis jetzt. 20ms + immer 🙂

[ashen osprey]

200km to Frankfurt

[thorn nacelle]

1 hour 15-20mins further away then. i see 🙂

[desert jasper]

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[ember lake]

Under #rules 6 we do not allow self promotion or advertising of other games in our Server

@nimble hound 👆

[thorn nacelle]

🚔

[thorn nacelle]

was a nice check atleast xD

[hexed stream]

d4bad season tmr

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, time for the routine "wow this game sucks" lmao

[thorn nacelle]

Wouldnt be a lie tho😂

They nerfed everythink extra loot from Bosses extra gold extra mats so why to grind to get gear was wondering or even try the season xD

[hexed stream]

poe?

poe this league every drop rate imaginable is nerfed, sadge

[thorn nacelle]

Nah Diablo 4 season 5 game returns to arcade mode again. So far s2 and s4 was decent but not perfect ofc.

[fierce moth]

🤔 Well this concept exist in le for 6 years...

Get the reason why I'm shocked and impressived by this skill tree system since the first gaze

[ember lake]

It's always fun seeing earlier versions of the game 😁

[fierce moth]

the feeling of all environments showed in this version gives me is pretty bland and wide, lack of various blocks

I guess this is the origin of passive trees in latest version. The beginning is out of expectation lol

[ember lake]

Eterra has come a long way in the last few years, the team have done amazing work!

[fierce moth]

Hold on. Huge difference between the past and the current on lotus hall. I'd wondered how are they think that good concept on the floor of this location, I guess I find the answer now, the time. Need to revisit this zone....

A detail be spoiled in past videos is the dev prefer playing the sorcerer and the bearmaster to show updates

😅 I want to see the past of necromancer please

🤔 hah this way looks interesting even in 2024. It's like playing echoes by the way of selecting prophecies haha

Fun fact: Judd even recorded his notification sounds from discord in 3:10-3:20, Last Epoch Patch 0.7.9 Overview then I'd thought it's from my discord lol

I'm glad that to see necromancer to appear more since Last Epoch: Patch 0.7.10 Official Overview 😆

[fierce moth]

😆 To be honest, the detail that more corruption you have, more corrupted roots are growed is epic. Will it come back in the future?

[hexed stream]

arcade mode as in? I do see major buffs across the unique items but other than that what makes it arcade this season?