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[junior oyster]

It's the best online arpg I agree with that.

[ebon meadow]

Poe has an issue with testing before releases they only get so few people to alpha test leagues the pop every 3 moth ISH

That many changes and added mechanics in such fast cycle is very hard to balance ,and they over spoiled us with content so we always expect it to work and be more or less polished

I understand the reason why they do it it's so we didn't datamine stuff before it get released and sometimes a week before patch notes is not enough for people to plan things

[junior oyster]

Ok Haze give me your best online arpg cuz imo LE isn't exactly there yet 👀

[subtle python]

so in d4, blizzard not only stole most of the ideas for item stuff... they also stole 1 shot mechanics for higher pit levels recently... i once was roasted.. and even had to be given timeouts replying to the ignorant people who didn't understand that 1 shot mechanics are dumb... guess what... blizzard's forums are in an uproar over the incredible stupidity of running easily through minions of a 61rst level pit only to get 1 shot by the boss.. you get nothing from the minions so it's a complete waste of time.

[junior oyster]

Stole one-shot mechanics from who/what? One shot mechanics existed in D3 lol

I wish they also 'stole' other ideas D3 like the transparent map overlay etc

[viral galleon]

Diablo 4 stole the idea of items

[cursive hare]

Map for sure 😭

[timid crescent]

if you keep cranking up the difficulty on a game mode incrementally the same hit that did 50% of ur health will eventually do 60%, 70%, 80% etc... until it becomes a 1 shot. one shots are considered hard pass/fail mechanic checks when done on non-scaled content and have been around forever.

An example of a one shot mechanic in an old game like mario 64 is just being on a platform, where clean precise movement is the mechanic check.

and if u fall off u die (aka fail)

[narrow token]

wut? why on earth would I do that? O_O

[timid crescent]

if ur getting 1 shot by the level 61 pit boss but clearing everything else easily, try figuring out what specifically you are dying to. is it a phys hit is it an ele hit, etc...

then build that defensive layer

[junior oyster]

Because you reacted with a vomit emoji

[narrow token]

Yeah because I don't like poe. Tried it. Made me hate arpgs for years until LE came out.

[junior oyster]

Fair

[cursive hare]

I've been playing PoE since its beta, before it was available on steam, I'm currently in act 9, hoping to finish at least the campaign one day. 😁😅

[mental frigate]

I mean, it's not THAT hard...it's just stupidly unbalanced and they claim it's intentitonal until they're forced to admit fault in laziness and nerf mob damage pre-maps.

[drifting dune]

Impossible youve been playing since beta and never reached map yet

[junior oyster]

It's not impossible. I bought Planetary annihilation back when it was in EA and played it on and off totalling around 3-4 hours max over a period of time. And I loved Total Annihilation. Something about PA was off. Possibly the fact there was no campaign nor different faction units.

[cursive hare]

It is because I don't like the game that much, that's why. But I want to finish what I started. 😅

[indigo shadow]

Yeah, I shared this news earlier last month. it was a disappointment move

[indigo shadow]

They shouldn't changed the original core gameplay

[ebon meadow]

Bruh I just lost my stuff reading this how u are unable to finish a campaign when it's there as a tutorial of the game ,not trying to be rude but trying to understand why u struggling ,like a made a guide for Spanish community to face roll campaign in like 8-11 hours and that is "slow"

The only thing I can recommend is grab a build guide and follow it to understand how gem and links work u can beat it on blue items

U might not like it but it's gonna be 1 time thing so u can understand how things work as u progress . Yes it's a complex old game with a lot of layers in it ,just use a guide and follow it

People put effort in to them just for this reason

It's not a meme when so many people struggle to go through it when going in blind and in last 6 years I have only met like 4-5 people that actually beat it on their first try going blind

[hexed stream]

it's easy to understand, aprg is not for everyone and as such, what is considered child play for average arpg player may be uni math for others

[ebon meadow]

Yea I can agree on that ,but we do have a loooot of guides and tools for this

I really don't like saying if the campaign u find as a burden then the game is not for you

It is like an mmo u can always find something u like to do rather it be crafting ,mapping or doing specific mechanics

[junior oyster]

Who you replying to? If it's Texalic he made it pretty clear he doesn't like PoE much. It doesn't have much to do with the difficulty or learning curve.

It's like how I know how beloved Hades is but I refuse to play it because I find it boring, music is annoying for me (other than the initial bit of the main theme) and I dislike the roguelike aspect.

[ebon meadow]

Yea it was for Texa I didn't want to ping ,I can only tolerate that soundtrack from Hades for few hours a day I guess I understand the point lol

[junior oyster]

I can only stand it for like 5 minutes

[ebon meadow]

Disliking something for something that u haven't even finished the tutorial is very weird to me but I guess I m shielding Poe

It isn't a game for everyone

[junior oyster]

Bastion and its soundtrack is their best game for me personally

[junior oyster]

I could swear I've had this convo with you before loool

Dejavu

[ebon meadow]

I mostly getting people annoyed for liking lost ark campaign and the visuals there's some parts of it that is just so beautiful

[ebon meadow]

Maybe I m in gaming rooms with around 400 k people lol we may have met somewhere else

Actually wolcen also has a great campaign but how game works people just get triggered by only hearing the name of the game

There's is reasons for it so can't really blame them for anything, the players I mean

[timid hawk]

Some people just don't get it, even if you exclude the passive tree that looks like a galaxy.

I think the worst confusion comes from simple mechanics, like gems for example. It's hard to explain to one that gems are similar to skills and even if they do get it look at the tags, active and passive gems, how they change requirements while you level them, linking gems, etc. Now combine this with items like Crown of the Inward Eye, where the only desc you have on the item is: transfiguration of soul/mind/body. How the "f" you suppose to get around that in your head. Also, without pob, try to explain the difference between "% increase damage" and "% to damage". We were laughing about damage desc pre season 4 D4, but man PoE does it too, just more subtle.

[ebon meadow]

Now we have 2 trees and when u hit end game up to 5

Bit yea there's no tutorial that says go to Ur settings activate mod description then hit alt over an item to see what specific named mods do

And regarding the % damage modifier it's same as any game really, more is always better that Inc that's the law of physics

[junior oyster]

I mean honestly if you like a campaign/lore for a game I respect you more. Like I absolutely love even tidbits of lore in games like slay the spire.

[ebon meadow]

It's more for thing that if I get interest in understanding campaign I think people did they job right

If it brings curiosity it's not just a go thru filler

I think of it like a movie

[hexed stream]

what to play till LE next cycle, 1 month feels too long

[tawny sand]

could try traditional roguelikes like tales of maj'eyal

it's cheap

the first descendant is supposed to come out this summer too, but dunno when

they're announcing the release date friday i think

[thin wing]

Hi

[junior oyster]

Slay the Spire, Monster Train, Terraria, Stardew Valley

[vagrant topaz]

D4 Brawhalla

[hexed stream]

don't seem like any game I'll touch for the rest of my life though

thinking of playing some pet builds of TQ1 or GD hmm

where the real pet builds are

[ebon meadow]

Can try Poe and build a minion build with around 60+ minions lul

I call it the gang build

[hexed stream]

uhm, no, I'm more than done with this league

normally I won't spend more than 1 month in a season of any arpg, be it poe, LE or d4

[ebon meadow]

That's fair I do same

I usually comeback at end if bored just to clear stash and maybe make something fun

[hexed stream]

you even bother to clear stash, for me, everything of the season stays in season, or with delete button, nothing comes out of it

[ebon meadow]

Ohh my have u checked Ur standard stash lately I m close to 100+ remove only stashes

If not more after last few leagues but I do mass hoard for other builds I want to try and never have time

[hexed stream]

as in, I literally delete chars when new league starts, so nothing comes out of it, and I do the same for every single seasonal arpg

I don't keep anything in standard, and never intend to touch it

[ember lake]

Just saw this happen again (not Deias), is this a friend playing jokes or someone else?

[waxen sonnet]

#📚┃off-topic message

I have no idea who this is, but probably someone else in the same crowd

[ember lake]

As long as you don't want us to do anything, all good though please reach out if it gets annoying. I can see who's doing it.

[junior oyster]

Damn you got a stalker

[tawny sand]

my biggest complaint with the new loot system in d4 is that you can't choose tempers like you can enchants

like a option 1, 2, or no replace

[hexed stream]

it's everyone's biggest complaint

I hope dev back down on this and add a no replace option

[tawny sand]

a no replace would be nice yeah

but a few times i've bricked an item cause i couldn't get the temper i needed

though i guess it's not too bad, idk

like bricking items isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself

like in LE it's fine

but something about tempering in d4 leaves me wanting just a bit more control i guess

[narrow token]

I think it's because LE gives you some leeway, but D4 doesn't.

[tawny sand]

yeah

maybe LE's crafting's risk/reward system feels better in general too

[hexed stream]

to be fair the reward for crafting in d4 is much larger than in LE

double casting a skill, nothing in LE can beat that

then there's 50% duration of a durational skill, imagine flame shield duration lasting 50% longer, that's massive

[tawny sand]

i guess so, idk. I'm doing double casting with blight and it just feels okay

it' doesn't feel as cool as say casting smite on hammer throw hit with LE's paladin

through the idol

auto-casting corpse explosion and tendrils through the ring in D4 is alright though i guess

i forgot the ring's name, Ring of Sacrilegious something

i am hoping with the d4 expansion they add paladin though

[hexed stream]

yeah, the long awaited holy class

but isn't that rumored to be valkyrie?

[tawny sand]

dunno

i just want to throw hammers and bonk monsters with them

[junior oyster]

Lorewise that would be female only so I doubt it. I think it will be templar or something

[tawny sand]

speaking of, game fest is today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZzia5NrMuU

might see details on the expansion then

i assume maybe at least since blizzcon is cancelled this year

[junior oyster]

Is that the same dude who hosted game awards?

[narrow token]

I thought summer game fest was some other day but I mightve gotten things mixed up

[junior oyster]

Oh ofc it. The channel is the same lol

[heavy mural]

ignore me @round elm

[hexed stream]

darn, I know some money has to be spent in 2025, civ 7 trailer is just out

[tawny sand]

no d4 at game fest main show, but there's still the xbox show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZM-mxaPlQ

and maybe we'll see some TQ2 stuff at the pc gaming show? dunno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af4QRDcl3r8

could be gamescom we see anything though

[junior oyster]

<@&1161418687471956101> spam

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101> this seems like a spam
guy has posted nothing else here

ty

[junior oyster]

Damn it I hate these games with zombos. Why can't they use skeles for once...

[junior oyster]

Diablo 4 expansion???

Nooo it's some stupid warcraft game

[twilit mountain]

It's showing now at least

[junior oyster]

Yep

They saved the best for last it seems

I might get xbox gamepass just to play the expansion lol

I don't think I want to pay full price for such an annoying npc 'lead'

[twilit mountain]

Shrug. I liked Neyrelle.

[junior oyster]

Well there were some interesting titles from that direct but cod mw6 definitely wasn't one of them

[twilit mountain]

Ok.

[maiden widget]

XGP never included expansions before, is that new?

[ebon meadow]

Well people mentioning price tag so I m assuming is over 50$ so it's like a game XD

[twilit mountain]

If we're talking D4 expansion it's $40

[junior oyster]

418 hours for me to finally beat A20H on all four characters

Silent was the hardest. Watcher the easiest.

[tawny sand]

i like neyrelle too tbh

anyway site was updated with features https://diablo4.blizzard.com/en-us/vessel-of-hatred

jungle area sounds cool, i like jungles

oh it's the jungle from Diablo 2, derp

also more news on July 18th

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, Maguuma in GW2 is my favorite area so I feel ya.

[tawny sand]

i always wanted an elder scross set in Valenwood or Elsweyr

something about jungles / dense forests get me

[twilit mountain]

They're just really cool. My only issue with them is games really like making obscenely large spiders in them and I do not handle them well. Not as bad for an ARPG since it's pretty far and detached so the visuals don't trigger the fear as hard.

[twilit mountain]

My roommate says "Valenwood is automatically better because it has cannibal elves."
I'm not sure exactly what this means.

[tawny sand]

lol

bosmer (wood elves) are cannibals in lore

it's called uh

The Green Pact I think?

[twilit mountain]

I've accidentally eaten wood chips before, I guess I'm in on it now

[tawny sand]

lol

but yeah, new class spiritborn sounds cool

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, the art of it looks sick as well

[tawny sand]

though imma be hoenst and say I just really want a sword and board character, even if we don't get a paladin

[twilit mountain]

Seems to be using a polearm/spear of some kind as well, which I think is Barb locked rn?

[tawny sand]

yeah i think so? i haven't played a barb yet

[twilit mountain]

I get that. I'm a Rogue and Necro main most of the time. But I'll definitely try it.

[tawny sand]

i kind of only really got back into the game with season 4

was pretty disappointed at launch

but season 4 is really good

er, story was fine. I liked doing it. but post-story was very dull to me

[twilit mountain]

S4 is great, yeah. I've played every season, some more than others. Season 0 and 4 have gotten the most time for me.
I'm weird and unironically enjoy nightmare dungeons with like, no caveats

[tawny sand]

i don't mind nightmare dungeons, it was just very samey after a while at launch

upping helltides, having whispers reward more gold for when you need it, etc. changed the monotony a fair bit

i know it's small differences really, but my brain just gets so bored doing the same thing over and over

[twilit mountain]

Yeah I get that. I'm a big Pit enjoyer I'm just bad at it lol

[tawny sand]

lol

but yeah i'll probably play a fair bit of season 4 until first descendant comes out next month or something

already started my second character this season

want to do more for sure

[twilit mountain]

Aye, I'm working on my Necro recently. I wanna try bossing with it, Bone Spirit has some very funny damage output.
I tried First Descendant in beta but my laptop can't really run it well sadly

[tawny sand]

sad, it's gonna be on console at least if you have one

and yeah i did necro first this season, messed around with blight / corpse explosion

doing frozen orb sorceror now

[twilit mountain]

Only a PS4 and we gotta try and run repairs on it :P

I always start Rogue just cuz I really like the gameplay of it, but it doesn't quite have the damage of some others right now so it's not as equipped for bossing

[tawny sand]

ah gotcha

i usually like ranged characters, unless it's like classic hammerdin (but i guess that's still range anyway)

i wonder if spiritborn will be able to use javelins

[twilit mountain]

It would be neat to see javs make a return. Hopefully they'd also try to make it fit into another class at the same time as well.
Might actually be doable since they did say current classes would be getting new skills as well.

[tawny sand]

oo, i hope we get a skill tree expansion then

[junior oyster]

Holy moly followers are back? That's great lol

I can't wait to hopefully revisit the Kurast docks

Gold and mat pick ups? That's one thing I am liking for sure. If only PoE did the same (at least give us the option for vacuum)

Damn it what's wrong with me that I want to get the ult edition...

I do wonder though if Spiritborn will compete with druid (turning into animals and such)

[tawny sand]

where do you see gold and mat pickup thing?

oh the pets

[tawny sand]

oh the pets were added today seemingly, I have a doggo now

you get a quest added to your log for it upon login

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, I just haven't been able to get on. Been on caretaker mode for today.

[untold wren]

Just reporting yet another bot account, if any <@&1161418687471956101> wants to deal with moraslopez: I've been getting spam DMs and friend requests from them.

[hexed stream]

Nah, I suspect this class is a willpower int hybrid aka druid necro hybrid

And damn it, the gate at the end of the trailer, that damn gate

$40 down the drain I guess

And merc, finally, what's a diablo game without merc

[twilit mountain]

I feel like one of the only people that doesn't actually care about mercs

[hexed stream]

Most arpg players don't, but this is diablo, so without merc, it's like the soul is incomplete

Oh boi, mephisto is back to kurast, d2 memory intensifies

[twilit mountain]

I guess? I honestly didn't pay attention to it in D3 and in D2 I found it more of an annoyance to deal with than anything

[tawny sand]

yeah i don't really care either personally

[tawny sand]

i'm thinking spiritborn is a cross between amazon and witch doctor

[hexed stream]

maybe witch doc too, kurast is homeland of witch doc after all

[hexed stream]

darn it, so many people with angelic wingback already

[tawny sand]

yeah i saw that

the portal and tiger pet too

[nocturne dune]

https://youtu.be/VJG2dli2LTg?si=7iaEKSoXiF_9zUhC

Modern predatory games

Disgusting

[junior oyster]

Damn it that link threw me off. I thought it was a spam link lol.

[subtle knoll]

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[hexed stream]

not fine, account down 40 bucks

[junior oyster]

You didn't have to buy the expansion

[indigo shadow]

I've been using Gamepass for 3 years? I don't think the expansion be available on gamepass

I don't think I wanna play a premium price game with a mediocre setup.

[hexed stream]

not that I have to, I was tempted to, and I gave in to temptation

[thin wing]

hi

[desert jasper]

Is that all you ever have to say?

All your messages have been: hello, hii, hi, hi

[junior oyster]

Same

[indigo shadow]

I wish there's some exclusive on game pass users though

just trying to differentiate with buyers

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101>

ty

[vagrant topaz]

Just started Loop Hero on mobile, I might buy it on Steam instead

It's pretty good

[desert jasper]

A friend of mine really enjoys that one

[junior oyster]

It's a nice game but I got bored of it after a while. Love the music before the first boss fight. Cosmic temperance goes hard.

[pallid sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-swipe-gif-12738629

[pallid sentinel]

hey D4 team, how many charrs have you donse yet ion s4?

[ebon meadow]

Someone mentioned that it was a freaking 60% off discount few days ago now I m mad

I really don't want pay full price for it

Surprisingly I have not spoiled any of game to my self since release because I want to get at some point

[maiden widget]

necro 100, barb 100, rogue ~65 for the recipe :p

pretty good season

[pallid sentinel]

get gamepass like 14€ a monthes, or what it is called by microsft,

[pallid sentinel]

ye i made a rogue 2 becus of it damm barbs

[maiden widget]

i really enjoyed heartseeker levelling tho

[pallid sentinel]

i did never try play it lul

a friend helped me lul, we boosted our rogues

[maiden widget]

wouldve been nice, WT2 sucked a bit

everyone wanted to leech and nobody did damage

[pallid sentinel]

😛 well ye it is slow

Well have lvled up 8 charrs to 85+

only 1 necro and my barb is 100 yet lul

[maiden widget]

nice, gotta do a sorc next season

only char i havent touched yet

[pallid sentinel]

well im trying to lvl 1 up, but is kind boring lul. Thinking of lvl a few more charrs till Rank 18 ironwolf

but gona try and see how the Stygian drop drat feels from pit befor start lvling

but now i need to do pits for like 7-9h 😄 so i Can copmberd the stygian stones

[ebon meadow]

Yea but I don't usually don't play "new" games today ,I might just get it this weekend I have 17 day vacation after this week

Need to find my self something to do untill 9 th next month since Poe league got postponed and I m not starting another valheim lol

Maybe if there was a group but to hard to find dedicated people that woul play same hours

[pallid sentinel]

well d4 cost like 4-5 monthes of the pass

[ebon meadow]

It's still like like 70$ for base to play no ?

[pallid sentinel]

No

you pay for the pass then you can play it

[ebon meadow]

Ok what the base cost for playing ?

God damn I really don't want to give blizz more that 70 at this point

Running to grab some Chinese take away and be back ,body need some food inside

[pallid sentinel]

haha. nice.

ye 14-15€ but first 14 days is like 1€

if dont have a ccoutn

[ebon meadow]

all of my irl friends have the freaking pass i just for some reason to stubborn to get it i dont play that much of new games and just grind poe and other things of seasson

but still d4 is something i want to get for my library more like a colection log than anything

i do have probably 20k plus hours in wow and around 4 k hours in diablo games didnt play vanilla d2

[maiden widget]

you just missed a 35€ sale for the base game https://isthereanydeal.com/game/diablo-iv/history/

[ebon meadow]

35 bucks is like 2 takeaways sadegg

i l take the hit at some point and just get it , my hate for blizz is not that bad as for some people

at the end of the day they give me more hours than i payed for

[cursive hare]

Expansion bundle doesn't seem bad if you want to buy it, currently better than buying a base game plus dlc separately...

[pallid sentinel]

where is my 129€ exp pack and 4days pre start 😄

[junior oyster]

You are 1 year late

[pallid sentinel]

alredy got it then 😛

[ebon meadow]

f it i had to much beers and its 10:40 pm xd i guess i go do some arams

dont judge lul

lets make some people mad for a change

129 euros sounds like i d wait for semptember btw

[junior oyster]

arams?

[ebon meadow]

yep if the game let me update

[junior oyster]

No I mean whaat is aram?

[ebon meadow]

ohh LoL game mode

[junior oyster]

kk

[ebon meadow]

sorry makes sence mentioning it xd

[tawny sand]

man i got spoiled starting necromancer this season in d4, everything feels worse in comparison. Looked it up and Necro is apparently very good this season

like S tier all by itself

[hexed stream]

I played all 5 char this season, yesterday I finish my necro ebonpiercer build to 100 and max all glyph, suddenly got fatigue and prolly done with season

now back for some GD

[pallid sentinel]

Well necro kind dont even need gear :P, but the rest of the classes is good too but req abit more investments,

[hexed stream]

it still needs gear, unless you never intend to play the real endgame which is the pit
and contrary to initial belief, minion necro is not even in the top 5 of pushing builds of the season

[pallid sentinel]

is top 2

just sorc thet have done higer whgat i have see

[hexed stream]

top 2? you mean it already solo pit 150?

do you have source?

[pallid sentinel]

well only source i Can get is from the streamers and diffrent discord, where ppl have send in

and so Far only sorc ithink have done 150

higest necro is like 142

[hexed stream]

the only legit leaderboard this season I recall is maxroll, which ended 1 week ago, and in that board, necro appeared somewhere in top 15, but not even in top 10, left alone top 5

[pallid sentinel]

Well no one rly care about thet leader bord tbh

[hexed stream]

currently the best pushing builds are immortal sorc or barb, some kind of barb

[hexed stream]

except everyone watching a d4 streamer

which is, well, a lot

every major d4 streamer took part in that leaderboard, so it's wrong to say no one cared about that

[pallid sentinel]

i dont watch them alot .

is to mid

[hexed stream]

anyway, it's hard to believe necro suddenly jumps massively in the ranking when there's no buffs at all for the last 2 patches

oh I forgot, holy bolt usage was banned on maxroll leaderboard, that's why necro couldn't even enter top 50, but with that elixir, the story may be very different

[pallid sentinel]

or they got lazy 😄 but ye holybolt makes a diffrent

Fishing pits are kind boring tbh

i dont know why they not just did put one leaderbord in

[hexed stream]

laziness, I can't think of any other reason, same as not having an official trade site

[pallid sentinel]

who knows it mby come mid uppdate 😛

we got the pet so who knows how mutch more suprises we gona get

[desert jasper]

Still think leaderboard & trade site should've been there from the start
and you just know that people will praise blizzard when they finally implement them

[pallid sentinel]

i will morte say Finaly lol

but the 3part Site thet they suport is pretty good tbh

[hexed stream]

I don't think blizzard will ever make a trade site, it's like a matter of principle or something for them, maybe ingame auction house like d3 did, but not trade site

[pallid sentinel]

a ah whould be nice, Becuse then you Can alwyes sell and buy and dont need to be online

[junior oyster]

Me want! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io4_CfCLlW4

[hexed stream]

you wot?

[lyric vault]

Torchlight Infinite next season launching July 4

[tawny sand]

Rod Fergusson: "When you launch something, you're always doing it with a set of assumptions. We had the assumption that Diablo 4 was meant to be more Diablo 2-like. And so one of the assumptions was that people were going to be okay with the long grind for the Unique or an Uber Unique in particular."

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/diablo-4-season-6-will-launch-with-expansion-vessel-of-hatred-interview-roundup-342939

i think they misintepreted what people wanted from D2

or they listened to a very small minority

[maiden widget]

they just dont get it at all unfortunately - they copied the long grind without understanding why it was fun (aka finding interesting stuff along the way, especially also for other chars)

[hexed stream]

he's right about farming the same boss over and over for the shako, he's wrong about how bloody inaccessible d4 duriel is compared to d2 meph

along the way, not so much to be honest here

d2 boss farming has always been about getting there as fast as possible, except if you're not boss farming like in the case of cow level and arcane sanctuary, or terror zone farming

let's be fair here, all the need for boss summoning mats, they copy from poe, not d2

[junior oyster]

Nope they got it from D2 :)

Uber Diablo trio required certain body parts from uber lilith (andy) and uber duriel and I think uber whatever that traitor angel was.

I never really did ubers in D2 but I know you were required to do uber lilith and duriel at the very least.

Oh just looked and you were supposed to also fight countess, summoner and nihlathak for keys to access the mid tier ubers.

So yea they took the idea from D2 imo.

[hexed stream]

sure, if you look at uber boss in d2 and the fact that they only drop hellfire torches but no other notable items
but the system in d4 is more akin to poe than d2, in a sense that the lower bosses drop lower tier items, and the uber bosses drop more sought after items
also in d2, hellfire torches are tradable, both unid and id, d4, just wtf
I believe, sooner or later, uber unique will become tradable

anyway, euro cup starting in a few hours, so hyped

[junior oyster]

You specifically mentioned summoning mats being copied from PoE. I just wanted to correct that :p

[hexed stream]

which I think is not true as well, in d2 all 3 bosses that drop keys doesn't require mats to summon them, in d4, it's just like normal vs uber boss in poe

[junior oyster]

It's much more convoluted in D2 lol

[hexed stream]

I prefer the d2 way to poe way tbh

[junior oyster]

I prefer the D3 way

[hexed stream]

which is no way

[junior oyster]

It's the best way

[hexed stream]

best way is to not play game

[junior oyster]

I mean there are better games out there like slay the spire 💯

[tawny sand]

didn't d3 have something you had to get mats to summon for? i forget what

maybe i'm wrong tho, i really don't remember

but yeah idk, i prefer d4 to d3 by far

d3 just felt like All Rifts All the Time: The Game

d4 has a bit more mix to the monotony, like doing whispers to get more gold

simple difference, but i appreciate none the less

[junior oyster]

It had a very annoying way at first but then they changed it so you just fight a specific enemy and that drops a certain key which opens a portal to specific uber boss fights.

[junior oyster]

This is what I miss in D4. I can't go back to D4 right now and will only play it when the expansion drops.

[tawny sand]

well it has the pit now which are basically greater rifts

but it's 100 content

[junior oyster]

Yea but I guess I meant rifts and not grs. Grs are cool and all but I liked loot dropping as I go. Idk.

[tawny sand]

oh i see

idk, i feel like helltides serve the same purpose

do gotta open the chests tho but yeah

[maiden widget]

helltides do exactly what rifts did with more stuff happening, its my perfect replacement too

[hexed stream]

yeah, helltide is rift but 10x better

but rift gives you the zoom zoom feeling similar to poe that helltide doesn't
helltide nowadays is just summoning maiden boss for infinite items and cinders

[junior oyster]

Nah that feels more like going and doing bounties in D3. Oh and I definitely prefer bounties in D3 too lol.

I guess I'm just too used to D3 zoom zoom builds

[tawny sand]

god i hated d3 bounties

[junior oyster]

Same but with the right amount of zoom I don't need to worry

[hexed stream]

agree, d4 whisper is ways less worse, I mean less worse, nowhere say it's good

d4 content don't really offer anything open map enough to feel zoom zoom, and even the movement skills of all classes reflect the philosophy that they don't want zoom zoom in d4

and I think it's fine, some have zoom zoom, some have slower style, all are good in its own way and have its own fanbase

[maiden widget]

Idk rogue feels pretty amazing depends very much on the class

Sorc can zoom very well too

[hexed stream]

well, compared to the level of zoom zoom in d3 and poe

d4 game speed is more in line with, for example, LE

[tawny sand]

i'm doing the boulder/hurricane druid combo on my druid this season and it's pretty slow compared to my Necro

but by slow i jus tmean movement speed

still feels okay though, idk. I don' tknow if i like the boulder/hurricane gameplay honestly

i wasn't a fan of barb the little i tried of it either, but i think i'm gonna give it another go

[hexed stream]

I tried bash barb, very strong, but not a big fan of it
my latest build before I quit the season was ebonpiercer build

[junior oyster]

Well anyway I am a little excited for the expansion because companions are coming back (solo play should be a little less boring with that I hope!)

I'm not sure if they will be hireable throwaways like in D2 or permanent choose one to follow you like in D3. I dunno which one I prefer more. Probably the latter but the former is what they might go with to make us spend some more gold lol.

[hexed stream]

hireable throwaways?

in d2 when your merc is dead, you revive him, not throwaway

but anyway, merc will have a skill tree this time, not sure if it's only a simple one like d3 or a more complex one like van helsing

[junior oyster]

Yes but if you swap to another hireling the previous one is gone.

I mean it didn't make much difference in the end game since you'd basically keep one

[tawny sand]

i wonder if mercs are for the new co-op thing they're doing so people that solo can still do it

[junior oyster]

But early game you could throw them away

[tawny sand]

i don't really get the hype for it

in d3 they felt like an afterthought to me

maybe d4 will improve on it though dunno

[junior oyster]

I don't care about it in other arpgs but in Diablo (other than D1 which I never played) I just can't imagine not having followers.

[hexed stream]

yeah, it's a feature of diablo, a part of its soul

[tawny sand]

i guess

i don't really care either way personally, fine with them in or without

[junior oyster]

Yea that's fine

[hexed stream]

and in august we can see the 1st gameplay demo for TQ2

[tawny sand]

oh did they say that?

i was hoping for some news but hadn't seen anything

[hexed stream]

yeah, is it gamescom ot something?

in cologne

this time round the dev of TQ2 even receives financial support from german gov

[junior oyster]

There are three arpgs I'm interested in this year/2025. Grim Dawn expansion, PoE2 and D4 expansion. Most interested in grim dawn ofc but I still want to play the others.

[tawny sand]

it's kind of like applebee's for arpgs atm

eating good in the neighborhood

[hexed stream]

talking about GD, I recently install a mod and run the game at 1.5x of base speed, best decision ever, the speed is now on par with other arpg, just nice for me

[vagrant topaz]

Slormancer?

[junior oyster]

Grim Internals?

[junior oyster]

I have that game and need to play it again at some point lol

It's the better choice compared to hero seige for sure.

[vagrant topaz]

Never heard of Hero Siege Oo

Let me check

[desert jasper]

Kinda feeling like some Diablo2

[vagrant topaz]

Worth investigating?

[tawny sand]

i heard hero siege was kinda mid, but i haven't played it myself

[twilit mountain]

It is pretty mid

[hexed stream]

slormancer is fun, maybe I should pick it up too, few months ago I was hooked in this totem huntress build, so fun

[vagrant topaz]

Yup, waiting for the next update to pick it up again

Or maybe 1.0 ... dont know

[jade jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz0mHtAPOV8

[tawny sand]

Fixed an issue where casting Boulders with Dolmen Stone would cause it to not cast at all. Boulders now have a limit of 10 but their damage is increased by 10% for each boulder.

I thought they already fixed this but I guess not, but that should make my boulder druid feel a lot better either way. Nice.

I'll have to bring him back out when the patch drops

[indigo shadow]

I think I put 3 hours on Minecraft Dungeons in 2 days. 😂

[junior oyster]

Nice

[indigo shadow]

Yeah, with this new monitor the colors would pop out and make it enjoyable to play

but their fault is making a linear game on a non linear layout.

[hexed stream]

Back to GD and feel so nice, kinda a slow game so I install mod to make the whole game run 50% faster, now it's butter smooth, still far from poe level of zoom zoom but more than enough

[ebon meadow]

Haven't played GD for over a year at least lol never tried the mods neither

It does feel like enjoyable game first few times

[hexed stream]

I don't want to try content mods, so only qol mods are used

[junior oyster]

Why does BBC have the volume going up to 11... They couldn't keep it at 10?

[hexed stream]

coz the british don't like SI units and everything scaling in the magnitude of 10?

[ember lake]

It's a reference to Spinal Tap - These go to 11

[junior oyster]

Nice

[ember lake]

It's a fun easter egg to a hilarious movie

[indigo shadow]

Yeah, it was a reference of Spinal Tap, even Beatles have 24/8 in BBC radio

There was a volume level on 20, but Music standard starting to ban anything that compete in the loudness war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudest_band https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise-induced_hearing_loss

[junior oyster]

Meh mostly a useless direct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HorTUKvj0K8

I guess those who like metroid and mario might enjoy the new games shown

Oh and Legend of Link

[tawny sand]

useless?!

they're bringing back Marvel babyyyyy

with rollback

tho i guess fightcade already existed, but still

official version is nice to have

and it's a collection, not just MvC2. Children of the Atom is in there too

[kind surge]

Hello Everyone, with the blessing of @mortal dragon , I'm thrilled to share our passion project with you - action RPG called Carbon. We are small indie team Hardwired Studios and our game is for everyone who is missing sci-fi in diablo-like genre. Really appreciate any feedback. Wishlist now on Steam and be part of this exciting adventure from the very beginning!
link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3012300/Carbon/

[tawny sand]

screenshots look cool, i'll add it to my wishlist and check out more later

[junior oyster]

Reminds of Grim Dawn but set in the future. I hope the game turns out to be pretty good!

I should specify I'm talking about the guns lol

[cursive hare]

Oh, looks great, wishlisted for sure. 😃
EA when... 😁

[kind surge]

thanks. early access is probably too soon to tell but we are aiming for kickstarter plus october steam fest demo

[hexed stream]

isn't GD future too? post aocalypstic setting is usually future

[twilit mountain]

Looks pretty cool. I'll wishlist it and keep an eye out.

[junior oyster]

Pretty sure it's set during/before industrial revolution. Other than the magic guns are kinda basic?

[desert jasper]

There are some portable cannons in plains of strife, aren't there?
But yeah it's certainly not in future

[tawny sand]

yeah there are

it's kind of post-apocalyptic for its era, like after the aetherials invaded i guess

but it's def like steampunk too

kind of post-apoc if the apocalypse happened during the industrial revolution i guess

[hexed stream]

no, the gun tech level is indeed industrial revolution, but that's because apocalypse set back the tech tree

remember Einstein said? WW4 will be fought with stick and stone, I don't think it's that bare bone but 18th century weaponry is the best they can do post-apocalyptic

[lusty ferry]

Thanks! Bigger wishlist is always better 🙂

[junior oyster]

D4 rogue totem skill looks cool

[junior oyster]

Loool D4 bringing in ultimatum xD

[narrow token]

wut?

[hexed stream]

new roguelike endgame looks fun

next season I think I'll play CL sorc lol

with that new unique

anyway, more endgame is always good, give option to players and make endgame less boring/repetitive

[hexed stream]

lol I read the campfire summary again, sorc is dead, druid is also dead

[vagrant topaz]

Was druid ever alive?

I have not followed very carefully d4 news but I feel like they were always a bit behind, no?

[maiden widget]

Was one of the best picks last league iirc

[hexed stream]

s3 I didn't play so idk
barb has always been the best, even after the 1001st nerf

I swear the lead char dev is a barb main back in d2

[hexed stream]

hmm, really tempted to play elden ring but I have skill issue with souls like games, so maybe I'll pass

[narrow token]

I'm hearing it's hard as hell. I don't have the patience for getting punched in the face by a game over and over.

[sand wigeon]

Elden Ring is probably the easiest of the From Soft souls-likes. Though I’d say Sekiro is a better experience because of how much your skill matters.

[twilit mountain]

Addendum; the DLC is just not very well balanced and that's where most of the difficulty discussion is coming from right now

[sand wigeon]

Indeed

[hexed stream]

hmm, guess I'll stay far away from souls like

my game reaction wasn't fast when I was younger, surely worse now

[desert jasper]

Also apparently a lot of people refuse to use in game mechanics like summoning bell etc because "it's cheating"
Or they don't lvl up the dlc thing for some reason

[sand wigeon]

summons are not balanced for DLC, they get nearly instan-killed. they're still good in base game, though

[desert jasper]

And yes, I know people like this.
They'll go in with only R1 spam because "that's the only real way"

[sand wigeon]

If you're going to try any, try Sekiro. That has the least reliance on reaction time, as it's practically a rhythym game. It might still be very difficult though.

[sand wigeon]

Takes the fun out of the game.

[desert jasper]

It does
Tbh it did take me a long time to get used to the ashes of war and also using the flask for buffs

[hexed stream]

Nah, unlike souls like games which I like but can't do well, rhythm games I actually hate

Part of the reasons I hate doing bosses in arpg too

I don't like to memorize choreographically

[sand wigeon]

Ah, okay.

[indigo shadow]

My friends who played since DS1 would say: Skill Issue.

[junior oyster]

Yea darksiders 1 is pretty easy imo

[ember lake]

From someone who hates the Soulsborne type games, I play to relax not bash my head against a wall, Elden Ring has been fun! Nowhere near completing it, only play sporadically at best and not touched the DLC yet - I'd say it's worth a try if you find yourself with access to it

[sand wigeon]

I’ve played every game in the series bar Demon Souls. “Skill issue” is not at all an accurate motto for the games. It’s unfortunate when it’s spouted ‘cause it just makes people feel alienated and doesn’t contribute to helping anyone: :/

[hexed stream]

the only game I somewhat care about skill is cs2, the rest, just entertainment, and entertainment shouldn't need skill or training day and night to achieve something

the only time you need skill is when you're out of entertainment and into competition

[junior oyster]

But sometimes skill is nice to have as the game can be more entertaining. If Slay the Spire were super easy even at the highest ascensions I'd have quit the game ages ago.
StS being difficult is what makes having some skill/knowledge as well as relying on rng makes the game more interesting.
It took me over 400 hours in StS to get A20H wins on all four characters and when you get those sweet victories then it feels like you achieved something great.
Otherwise might as well play some super easy game like Stardew Valley (I'm aware it's not easy easy but you never go into negative money for example).
And I love both types lol.

[viral galleon]

To add on to the dlc discussion they added a new mechanic for scaling that you basically have to interact with.

[subtle knoll]

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[hexed stream]

difficulty doesn't necessarily require skill
take arpg for example, just need time, luck for better items

and again, how much skill is enough

it's when you spend more time honing a skill ingame than a skill irl, that's where the issue begins, unless you earn money from playing games

[narrow token]

That's actually what eventually got me to quit playing Overwatch. I wasn't having fun getting beat on, and grinding for "skill" in a video game, especially one I wasn't making money from, felt like even more of a waste of energy than people who troll twitter/x all day.

Plus I get no satisfaction from being skilled at games, or "getting good" as it were.

[faint mauve]

really depends on the individual, clearly there are many players out there to enjoy difficult games

im a recording musician as my other hobby, so practicing and git gud is kinda what i do , even recreationally for "fun"

many ppl with hobbies like whether an amateur pool player, rock climbing etc do it over and over again without any financial gain.

[narrow token]

I'm aware they do. I won't ever do it though. It's pointless to me.

[junior oyster]

Or skill. Lol

[hexed stream]

I'm similar to @narrow token , but by all means I respect the players trying to git gud at their fun activities too
it's all about whether you need that dopamine or endorphine

[junior oyster]

Try killing PoE pinnacle bosses without skill (with exception to a few super op builds) and then see if you need skill or not

[hexed stream]

which is why I either don't play non OP builds (no need top 5 but OP nonetheless), or I skip poe bosses entirely
meta is constantly shifting anyway so I don't need to repeat the same build every season

[faint mauve]

POE pinnacles arent hard mechanically but getting there will be the first hurdle

[junior oyster]

Sirus is hard with just 6 portals on a first try for most people

[hexed stream]

last league I got all my favorite map slots without doing a single boss anyway, it's easy in poe

[faint mauve]

its different from say souls/ no rest for the wicked etc

poe and games inspired by d2 are more knowledge than skill

[junior oyster]

Damn dude that's kinda sad I can't lie. I get not going ubers (I suck at them myself) but not doing normal pinnacle bosses is a little sad lol.

[faint mauve]

d4 is just braindead but theres fun for the casual i guess

[hexed stream]

nothing sad about it, I'm quite open in this channel for a long time already that I hate doing boss in any arpg, not just poe
I'm not socially compelled to do everything the game has to offer, just do what I like and avoid what I don't like

[faint mauve]

its not for me for sure i feel i waste my time even putting hours

[hexed stream]

agree with this, arpg bosses are more about when you see this boss animation, you know how much damage it deals, and know whether you can facetank it or you should stand in a certain location or move in a certain pattern to avoid it

test your knowledge much more than your skill

[junior oyster]

Yea sure but to me that's like doing A0 in Slay the Spire and not going any further than that. I mean you do you or something but I think it's kinda a waste lol.

[hexed stream]

nothing waste, I get everything I want including boss specific items because trade happens

irl offer rock climbing and diving too, I don't do it, and I don't feel my life is wasted at all

being forced to do what I don't like, that's where I feel my time is wasted

actually how much mechanically harder is elden ring compared to darksiders series?

[junior oyster]

Do you mean demon souls/dark souls? Darksiders is a different genre lol

[hexed stream]

no, darksiders, I'm comparing difficulty with that, because that's the kind of game I can beat

the only DS game I played is DS1, and for like 15min, then I never look back at souls series ever since

[junior oyster]

Darksiders is easy and boring

I played that game for like 30 minutes and uninstalled it lol

[faint mauve]

its ok to be frustrated in souls thats the only thing you gotta be prepared for

sit back and return you might just overcome

its a game, its not as hard as real life ventures after all

[hexed stream]

darn, that's slower than the speed I uninstalled DS1

[junior oyster]

Honestly I probably would enjoy soulslike games more than games roguelike games (except turnbased). God I hate Hades lol.

[junior oyster]

I wanted to like it but I couldn't. Same how I don't have any interest in GoW or GoT lol.

[hexed stream]

that's why there are so many games out there that surely 1 or 2 will fit someone's liking

not that I reject skill-based games entirely, quite the opposite, I absolutely love cs2 for example

but when it comes to rpg, I don't like to use skill that much compared to fps or moba

[faint mauve]

as an ex fps pro who played overseas multiple times in my younger days etc i dont think so, pve games can still invoke the feeling of learning and improving. in the end of the day if you wanna play games just to relax there are games that do just that

you can play CS for a decade but only joining pub games and not proper 5v5 with actual strategies

[hexed stream]

improving can be in terms of knowledge, not necessarily skill

[faint mauve]

CS on ffa pub is nothing like the real tournament structure

you just play get lucky with kills and have your fun

[hexed stream]

nah, I do see myself doing more headshots over the years, that's definitely skill improvement

[faint mauve]

yeah but its not the game in tournament level

anyone can get better with aim

actual strategies are alot different

[hexed stream]

of course not, not like I care about that level, I'm not making money from game, no motivation to get there

[faint mauve]

think about the teams who practice 10 hours a day and not even reach a final

they earn no money either but they push on and some succeed over time

[hexed stream]

they may not earn but they aim to earn

I don't aim to earn

[faint mauve]

no you need passion first not money as an incentive

[hexed stream]

I need both

[faint mauve]

thats you but others dont

[hexed stream]

yes, and nothing wrong with either parties

everyone's motivation to improve is different

[faint mauve]

its a mentality that is rewarding in anything you choose to do in life

i dont know if you or anyone else are good at anything so it shouldnt matter

[hexed stream]

it matters to me that what I should be good at, should also make money

[faint mauve]

for me thats abit sad because in the creative world it begins with passion not financial gain

[hexed stream]

I don't blindly improve at something just to get some mental reward out of it

[faint mauve]

it should be an intrinsic reward rather than material

[hexed stream]

again, different people have different practicality level

some live for ideology, some live for material, some in between, all are fine

[faint mauve]

i work a professional job and earn money, i can separate my own creative ventures and gaming without selling out for example

[hexed stream]

that's why I don't try to improve game skill, enough to have fun

[faint mauve]

stay with d4 i guess

[hexed stream]

I have more hours in poe than d4 I also guess

[faint mauve]

its seriously the bottom end of the genre for me atm

i tried the current season and just told myself to quit every hour so mu experience is very negative

[hexed stream]

it's ok

don't like don't play

same as I don't like skill based rpg I also don't play

there's no right or wrong here, just people thinking others doing it wrongly

[faint mauve]

yeh now i can accept that , enough games out there to cater for anyone

souls games without live service mtx etc ppl can still invest thousands of hours

[hexed stream]

it's not about accepting anything, no one has the right to accept anything for another person

it's like a vegan 1 day telling meat eater: hey I accept your preference to eat meat, like what is that

[faint mauve]

well still your POE builds are likey copied from players who put the hard yards first and foremost

[hexed stream]

yes, and that is not a problem

some find fun theorycrafting builds, others find fun playing the builds

all are having fun

[faint mauve]

its the effort and git gud thing i refer to

if you worked on your own builds you know it takes trial and error and effort

they may not earn alot of money in doing so

[hexed stream]

"they"

important to highlight

told you right? all those kinds of fun are equally respectable

be it making builds or executing the builds

everyone is different and enjoys different things

[faint mauve]

sharing knowledge is a very generous thing

[hexed stream]

so what's your point? I believe for the past hour or so, not a single sentence did I discredit those kind hearted people doing things without material gain

I don't need a conversion

[faint mauve]

im just providing a different insight. one you also benefit from

[hexed stream]

no thanks, I surely don't

I and "they" are different

and like I said repeatedly, over and over again, the way I enjoy game, and "they" enjoy" game, all are valid, there shouldn't be any moral superiority here

or bossing others how to enjoy games the right way

[sand wigeon]

I mean, you do kinda need money to live. :/

[hexed stream]

I know some privileged countries have a baseline from government that you at least don't have to worry about basic survival, good for them

[sand wigeon]

It's not possible for everyone to make their passion their funding. And it's not possible for everyone to support themself whilst supporting their passion. It's the unfortunate reality for a lot of folk.

[sand wigeon]

yeah, good for them

[faint mauve]

ehh if all ones do is play games being unemployed thats the reality but we still live life

[sand wigeon]

I don't understand what you mean, could you go on?

[faint mauve]

we all still need to work pay bills etc

[sand wigeon]

I'm not sure how that relates to my statement, other than being agreement.

[faint mauve]

how is playing games the solution other than finding a gig that comes with it

[sand wigeon]

I never said playing games is a solution to anything.

[faint mauve]

i guess the money part i was referring

[sand wigeon]

Ah. I think that if the decision is made to pursue a career in professional gaming, then that's a choice no more invalid than another, y'know? Some fail, some don't; everyone fails at something anyway.

[faint mauve]

depends where you come from really but i know from experience people become good at their thang because they enjoy what they do and not about money

gaming is just one of many and i dont think people are wasting their lives doing so

[sand wigeon]

It can be both. It could also be neither. Some poeple just like doing.

Doesn't matter the application or interest.

[sand wigeon]

I agree.

[faint mauve]

if one does anything after work solely for financial gain and not what they really are passionate deep inside it can kinda bite back down the line just sayin

[sand wigeon]

Some have no choice.

[faint mauve]

yeah i get hence why depends where you come from

in the west we all have lots of free time compared to asia even as a working person

[sand wigeon]

And some people like having money, too. That's an enjoyment in itself; it can provide certain freedom, or feelings of freedom. And some may simply like working- of course, there is an extreme that is unsafe, as is there for anything.

[faint mauve]

yeh of course i understand

going back to the entire souls git gud thing you can also see how happy people get overcoming the challenges. you dont get this feeling playing a game just to “relax” and punch some buttons to end game

[sand wigeon]

You totally do, though.

It just depends on the person.

Take what I'm playing right now: Disco Elysium. At the very start of the game, you get a task to find a music tape and sign karaoke. Later in, you can finally find the tape, and a large scene plays out where you do, in fact, sing karaoke. It didn't require skill. All I had to do was walk around the environment, but it still swells a sense of pride in the player.
That pride is no different than learning the patterns of any enemy in a souls-like, fast or slow, and breaking through the barrier. They're both enjoyment, and both pride.

[faint mauve]

not the same to me, i love disco but its not a game that takes effort like any other irl game

or games that require skill and practice

[sand wigeon]

Then you are simply a one who doesn't get enjoyment from casual experiences, which is perfectly okay. But your truth is not everyone's, y'know?

[faint mauve]

yeah im not preaching that my way is better than yours, just providing a different perspective

[sand wigeon]

Well, from my perspective, you failed. In my view it certainly seemed like you thought others were wrong, even if you didn't intend it that way- which is, of course, okay.

[hexed stream]

there are 2 kinds of entertainment modes, be it irl or game: dopamine or endorphine

one can choose either, or both, for entertainment

[sand wigeon]

I think you excluded the third kind: nothing. :D

[hexed stream]

dopamine is as most people know it, instant gratification, whereas endorphine is from achieving something after some challenges

[sand wigeon]

Which I think is a form of entertainment. A certain nothingness that can come from something, I get it when meditating. Though yes, perhaps it is literally just one of those two happy chemicals.

[hexed stream]

meditation is not really about having fun though, it's more about the state of calmness of your mind, or basically freeing yourself of any mortal emotion, so I think if you still have some emotion left when doing meditation, for example "fun", something must have gone haywire imo

[sand wigeon]

Not all meditation is about absolving yourself of emotion, though.

[hexed stream]

I guess there is incomplete meditation, and that is more popular than complete meditation, coz easier to do
complete meditation takes so much training, almost like a real monk, to achieve

[tawny sand]

play fighting games, they're good for your health

[hexed stream]

you mean sports?

[tawny sand]

no, like street fighter

[hexed stream]

without the e-

[tawny sand]

and by good for your health if you like getting aneurysms 😂

[hexed stream]

bruhhh

[sand wigeon]

I don't think labelling any meditation that involves emotions "incomplete meditation" is really accurate. There's tons of different spiritualities/religions/occultisms out there, all with their own beliefs and methods.

[hexed stream]

I think call it partial meditation is a better term, and how partial, depending on different practices, different religions

[sand wigeon]

I think it's just... Meditation.

[hexed stream]

enough to calm yourself, but not deep enough to free yourself of all emotions

[sand wigeon]

i think that's showing inherent biases. Not every belief system is in accordance that emotions are burdens, therefor there's no freeing yourself from them.

[hexed stream]

or I think in modern definition, anything that helps you feel calm and relaxed is in itself a form of meditation already

even for us gamers

like, don't play HC, no adrenaline rush = calm

[sand wigeon]

I suppose you could define it that way, yes.

[hexed stream]

anyway, I think I stray too far from my original topic, which is, where lies the difficulty of elden ring between darksiders series and souls series

if it's bearable, I may grab it at steam summer or winter sale

[junior oyster]

You are comparing completely different genres imo. You might as well compare elden ring to PoE then 😂

[hexed stream]

not much different

there's nothing in common between elden and poe lol, over the shoulder view vs top down

to me, elden ring can even be comparable to dragon's dogma, or even elder scroll, but definitely not top down arpg like poe

souls like is just a mere sub genre of over the shoulder arpg, can't make too big of a fuss about it

nvm, I'll watch some gameplay to see how much skill it takes to play

hmm, seems really close to MHW

big ass bosses same as the dragons in MHW lol

[indigo shadow]

Yoooooo

Minecraft Dungeon killed Diablo 4

[faint mauve]

cannot be compared to dragons dogma, souls battles are alot more technical , if anything ppl are copying them not the other way around

old monster hunter is an influence of course

alot of their design are japanese in origin, down to castlevania NES bosses

[hexed stream]

yeah I see a lot of MH elements in elden ring, which is nice, coz I can play MH just fine
but is it also optimized for K&M or best with controller?

I know japanese games hate pc players

[faint mauve]

controller because you can hit attack and then target your swing 360 degrees

on keyboard you lose that accuracy with wsad

but its just pvp min maxing at this point

[hexed stream]

🥲 I have an xbox controller but tbh I hate using it

[faint mauve]

i mean its not a deal breaker, keyboard and mouse players do just fine

from software makes games for consoles but they are getting better at least

elden ring has a 60 fps cap, any higher will bug out the physics lol

monster hunter world and rise have the same issue also, they cant seem to make it even

[hexed stream]

oh this is new, I don't know about this at all

darn, I don't even know MHW has fps cap

[faint mauve]

MHW doesnt, but its physics is affected

player gets more knockback and spacing is not the same

[tawny sand]

i think i remember that, some monsters were easier if you put a 60 fps cap on the game

[faint mauve]

even old monster hunter games on emulator adding a 60 fps hack will totally bug out the physics

like you run faster lol

its a common known thing with japanese devs

[hexed stream]

told you they hate pc players

[faint mauve]

thats why the japanese speedrunning scene in MH do not account for pc players because its not the same

[hexed stream]

I can imagine that, as they say, the IT facility of japan is even worse than many 3rd world countries

[faint mauve]

dark souls 1 when it first came out on pc its capped at 30 fps lol

and its not that long ago either, at least they are making improvement lol

[hexed stream]

before or after human lands on mars

[tawny sand]

i only accept fps lock in fighting games, since frame data is important

anything other genre i don't get why there's locks

[faint mauve]

i still play old school games so graphics isnt everything for me , i have a 4080 but dont play AAAA games lol

[hexed stream]

I think more of capability issue than principle issue

[faint mauve]

yeh its more capability, the market in their country is still predominantly console

[hexed stream]

japan can be the chad for many things but when it comes to computer and IT related stuffs, I don't trust them at all

[desert jasper]

Also you have games where physics are tied to fps
so going above the fps lock can break stuff

[faint mauve]

for souls games where the physics need to be like, not buggy is kinda important

a small difference in landing a hit and being hit goes a long way lol

[desert jasper]

Also in Dark Souls: Prepare to die edition
if you went from 30fps to higher
it would affect your rolls. You wouldn't roll as far as you should, jumps also got affected
sometimes when interacting with a ladder it would also drop you below the ladder instead of on the ladder
weird stuff like that

[tawny sand]

i remember the pc version of spider-man had some animation bugs

there was this one where you had to scan something, but the animation would stall at above 60 fps

they fixed it tho

i think there were a couple others, i'm not sure

[faint mauve]

i replay the souls games like every year, elden ring hasnt evolved all that much really lol not surprised if they are still using the same engine from demon souls

[desert jasper]

They most likely are, just adapted & made changes over the years

[faint mauve]

even the enemy models some of them are exactly the same as demon souls still

[indigo shadow]

Are you guys going to buy Monster Hunter for cheap later?

I'm quite impressed it took 3 years for Xbox to add cloud character on Minecraft Dungeons. 😂

[desert jasper]

Already got Monster Hunter World & Rise
I'm kinda hoping Dragon's Dogma 2 goes on sale tbh

[junior oyster]

I wouldn't get it even if it was free

[indigo shadow]

I kinda wish that THQ Nordic GmbH would release Kingdom of Amalur sequel though

[mental talon]

I've had it for years no need to buy it. Unless...

[indigo shadow]

I remember I bought THQ humble bundle because they were within days and week before declaring bankrupcy

Nice.

I forgot that Monster Hunter Wilds just announce this year, not release this year. 😂

[hexed stream]

when elden ring and dlc on sale maybe I'll buy to try

[indigo shadow]

Doubtful the DLC would be on sale since it was just launched.

probably 10%

but for Elden Ring? I might guess they'll sell around 30-60% off

[hexed stream]

yeah, waiting for big sale, like summer or winter sale

[wintry harness]

Steam summer sale in the next few days I believe

[desert jasper]

starts today, quite soon

[indigo shadow]

in 1:30 hours left

[indigo shadow]

I'm thinking about scoring Hades 2 someday

[desert jasper]

Shame, no Dragon's Dogma 2 on sale

nvm
it is

[junior oyster]

Ok can't lie I love the steam summer sale banner

That cat with a mini collar and riding on the bike is soooo damn cute lol

Aaaand you can click on it to see more

[ebon meadow]

I would like a hope that A Thinking Ape would release an animated game they have a such polish stat PvP mechanics in mobile games before with GaW and and KaW

I spend more than 6 years playing KaW daily

Just a pure no disconnect PvP game that even Rust can dream about

The only thing that probably is on the level is EVE online

[sand wigeon]

If only I had money for all the on sale games!

[ebon meadow]

TBF if u are interested in trying new games and stuff as a boomer I would recommend Xbox pass it has some decent stuff there

That's probably 1st reason that Xbox can overwhelm PSN to start with

Just good products

[sand wigeon]

Oh, I have it. A lot of the games I like aren’t big enough to make it on there, though.

[sand wigeon]

(Some of the games I’d love to pick up are Pacific Drive, the Thaumaturge and Dredge)

[ebon meadow]

Personally I enjoy more games in development and I always mail Devs if I get a key for it

Or just pay the price ,as long as I value my play time 1$ an hour mostly get my money back from games

[sand wigeon]

I agree, I just can’t afford anything right now. Oh well! Not like I don’t have other things to do.

[ebon meadow]

I still don't want to drop 70€ plus expansion for D4 and I probably already give around 3k to blizzard for there games over years easy

But I want to get the freaking game for the library lol Poe is around same and I have no regrets

Still scroll through my mtx library in Poe and like wtf is wrong with me but the game gave me over 6 k hours so ..yea

Love my wings and portals so Le design team should pick it up

Let me swipe

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think I’ve spent much on ARPG mtx

[ebon meadow]

I buy mtx just for my own eye sake if I intending to invest time in to it

[sand wigeon]

Understandable

[hexed stream]

think about the time needed to play too, and you feel better

[hexed stream]

lol I can't believe the base elden ring game is 30% cheaper but the combo base game + dlc is not dropping a single cent, why

[faint mauve]

spent 150 hours on V rising 1.0 actually find it harder than elden ring lol, recommended

[junior oyster]

ok

[indigo shadow]

https://www.ign.com/articles/fromsoftware-parent-company-hacked-by-ransomware-gang-threatening-to-release-internal-data

[indigo shadow]

Try V Rising man, it's like Diablo isometric survival game with good combat

[sand wigeon]

I have plenty of time right now, I don’t have any particular qualms there

[hexed stream]

I mean, if you can buy all the games you want, you don't have enough time to play them all anyway, so you feel better thinking that way

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think I feel that way

[indigo shadow]

V rising for 30% off

I wonder what's Last Epoch is

I died when V Rising have Castlevania DLC. 😦

[hexed stream]

elden ring for 30% too but elden ring + dlc is not having a single cent of sale, I wonder why

[ember lake]

Throwing in a vote for Dredge!

[sand wigeon]

I don't think it's something to vote on when I can't afford any of them

[hexed stream]

soon TM, end of month, near salary time

[viral galleon]

Dredge good

[faint mauve]

castlevania soundtrack on my castle feels good lol

if they add another dracula tier boss would be insane

[hexed stream]

somehow, mentioning castlevania reminds me of a completely different game: bayonetta

[junior oyster]

Nah I'm good. Nothing worth buying for me but that means I get to save some money!

[hexed stream]

based

[dry jolt]

Any steam sale purchases? Got myself Bloons TD6, pretty fun

[mental talon]

Octopath Traveler 2 and Blasphemous 2 for me

[narrow token]

If you guys are into good combat and indies, I can't recommend Crosscode enough.

[junior oyster]

Storywise it's nice but I hated the puzzles. I understand the game was supposed to be mostly about puzzles but I would have preferred if you could choose to skip puzzles rooms where you needed to progress.

[hexed stream]

I look at my wishlist mostly city builder/planner game lol

elden ring even if you buy full, you still have to play base game first before touching dlc right?

[desert jasper]

You can get to the dlc surprisingly fast if you know what you're doing
like the speedrun is 40ish minutes, maybe less
but yes the dlc is locked behind one of the end game bosses

[hexed stream]

nah I ain't those speed run streamer, won't bother with speed run, especially in a non diablo-like game

is dual wield viable in this game? back when I played MHW I absolutely loved dual wielding

[desert jasper]

Yeah, you can dual wield

have to be same type of weapon
for example can't mix a normal sword + thrusting sword
and I can't remember what the button is to activate the dual wielding

[hexed stream]

nice, I've always liked dual wielding, it's fast and swift

there's something a bit too deliberate about 2h weapon in these kinds of games that really turns me off

[desert jasper]

I think last time I dual wielded 2 greatswords 🤔

[hexed stream]

ok, just bought game bundle for $55, logindude

[desert jasper]

Hope you like it

[hexed stream]

as usual, take too damn long to create char

[junior oyster]

Classic keikajin 😂

[hexed stream]

now I feel more lord of the rings than elden ring lol

interesting this game doesn't support ultrawide at all

[sand wigeon]

yeah. there are mods to fix that

ultrawide still isn't the standard, though i'm not sure why they didn't support it at all

[sand wigeon]

Yes. You need to have two weapons of the same archetype (ex. two curved swords, two spears, or two greatswords) and also 1.5x the required strength for the highest strength requirement on your weapons.

This unlocks new attacks where, by using left bumper (don't know the MnK controls), you have new combos.

[hexed stream]

I have to admit, K&M control is quite a mess
calling horse need E + arrow key, potion don't even know which button

[sand wigeon]

That’s because no From Soft game is intended for mouse and keyboard

[hexed stream]

I learnt hard lesson, all guides saying kill sentinel easier with torrent, until I tried otherwise, on foot, and thing is noticeably easier, still die a lot a lot though

but I miss the old dodge roll back in other arpg, just need to double click wasd, unlike this game has to press wasd + another key

[junior oyster]

You might like the game more with a controller tbf

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, From Soft makes pretty much exclusively controller-centric games

[sand wigeon]

The big golden guy at the start? You're not even intended to fight them for a bit

[hexed stream]

I don't like the usage of a controller itself, so that hypothesis will never happen to me

[hexed stream]

no wonder? my best was to beat him down to 1/3 hp then I ded

now I'm avoiding him and cheese in easier area

happened a lot back in skyrim, wandering around too much and when you're back to main quest, things are so easy

[sand wigeon]

You're intended to do that in Elden Ring

[hexed stream]

happy it's the case, no gatekeeping boss

at least for now

[sand wigeon]

Also IDk why you're using a guide for the game

[hexed stream]

it's a habit, I don't like to come unprepared for anything

I'm not in that young age when self-exploration means everything

people in their 15-25 will heavily criticize me for the way I play but it's fine, it's their turn sooner or later

[desert jasper]

You play how you feel like playing
doesn't impact me

[hexed stream]

that's how it should be, just play the way you like, no question asked

[desert jasper]

As long as you don't cheat and then bring that stuff to online play, that is

[hexed stream]

you can cheat in this game? I thought this game is always online?

[sand wigeon]

Understandable

[sand wigeon]

No. All From Soft games have a setting to counteract automatic server login upon boot, which allows you to play offline. This is also how the game will boot if you have no internet connection

This is especially useful because of the modding scene, that way you can play the mods without getting banned

This applies to every From Soft souls-like

[hexed stream]

didn't know that, today I went in a few times already and everytime asked to log in automatically

[sand wigeon]

Yeah, you have to disable a setting

[hexed stream]

well doesn't matter though, I'm good with always online

[sand wigeon]

yeah, it's primarily just so the game is playable with no connection and for mods

[hexed stream]

only issue is I don't know what to do now, except knowing there's the boss I can't kill yet

[sand wigeon]

You explore

[hexed stream]

same as skyrim yes, but with much much less guidance

[sand wigeon]

I mean, I'm not sure I'd say "same as Skyrim," but sure

Acquiring area maps is a good place to start, since you can generally see any notable places on the map

[hexed stream]

like, I know how to level up, but not clear how to upgrade my gears so that the boss once was big trouble for me can later become piece of cake

[sand wigeon]

You can upgrade your gear at the first church you were at, with the merchant Kale--near the tree sentinel--using Smithing Stones

Later, there are other ways

[hexed stream]

euro cup time
didn't realize infantino is both italian and swiss, I wonder who will he support in this match lol

[indigo shadow]

Good Evening

[calm spindle]

any tech guy has a suggestion on why my Steam is not starting up with my PC automatically? I have the setting turned on 'Run steam when pc starts' inside of the Steam settings. And even tried putting a Steam.exe shortcut into the shell:startup folder

[junior oyster]

Have you enabled it in Task Manager -> Startup ?

[calm spindle]

Yeah 👍

[junior oyster]

Then I'm not sure tbh

I have all my apps not open on startup

[calm spindle]

i like to have the ones i use almost every day on auto startup 😄 but ye i disabled a lot as well to speed up my rig.

[hexed stream]

I regret my decision the other day to buy elden ring 🥲

...

now I'm addicted

[cursive hare]

My game backlog is so big it will take me a few years before the ER purchase. 😅

[junior oyster]

Over 450 hours and I'm still playing slay the spire

I understand how you feel

Worst part is I kinda suck at the game

[old umbra]

Can you only trade in late game?

Seems like you can only do it once you reach bazar n stuff

[vagrant topaz]

Yes you need to reach act9 with at least one character

[old umbra]

Awww maaan. I wanna buy the game but i feel so lazy to start from scratch 😛

Was hoping i could beg for some low level uniques xDD

Also. Is the game still super buggy? I remember last time i playied necromancer was basically useless cause the minnions just teleported all over the place xD

[vagrant topaz]

Its better

I would even say its pretty smooth

[hexed stream]

haha same, I really suck at elden ring combat, imagine I got 2 bandit curved sword to +3, got the bleed ash of war, and still died 3 more times to tree sentinel before finally felling him

now I'm looking for some early freeze/shock dual wield build, wonder if there are such builds early on

[desert jasper]

Hey now
taking down the tree sentinel is pretty hard when you're new to the game
especially if you're new to the genre
good work on it

[hexed stream]

now I'm inside the stormveil castle and every big ass knight seems more dangerous than tree sentinel lol, but at least their drops are decent upgrade

[desert jasper]

You can do it

[sand wigeon]

(Shock is not a status effect)

[junior oyster]

I completed all the achievements in StS yesterday and got my first ever winstreak on Silent (no winstreaks on any others so far) and technically a rotating winstreak between ironclad and silent.

[desert jasper]

Also remember that you don't need to kill everything
it's okay to run away

[austere granite]

[hexed stream]

yeah, now I play this game exactly the way I played skyrim, explored the heck out of it till I'm over-geared for main content

not keen on proceeding the stormveil castle area for now, so I go back explore the whole weeping peninsula south of starting location

[sand wigeon]

You’re meant to do Weeping Peninsula before Stormveil anyway

[hexed stream]

I didn't know that though, was there only to farm bandit swords

then there's this area to the right of stormveil, is it beginner area too? The one after you defeat the boss on boat

[sand wigeon]

if you mean the Mistwoods, yes

If you mean Caelid, no

Central Limgrave/Mistwoods, Weeping Peninsula, Stormveil

In that order

[hexed stream]

seems like caelid yeah

[sand wigeon]

Caelid is red

Red bad

[desert jasper]

Also caelid = mushrooms

a lot of mushrooms

[hexed stream]

Which mushroom? The plant one or the radioactive one?😉

[sand wigeon]

Both

[viral galleon]

The not fun unedible kind of shrooms

Started a new game on elden ring myself recently, man the prisoner is such a good start

[hot crown]

My SO who's been out working 10-12h shifts for a couple of months now: *rants about how she wants to go to sleep earlier than our kid who's been steadily going to sleep increasingly past 10-11PM*
Me who's been with the kid literally 24/7, doing almost all the chores, and constantly sacrificing my own sleep for laptop time: "And what am I supposed to do with all that?"
My SO, without batting an eye: "Wash the dishes please."

I just can't win no matter what, being a work-from-home IT guy with zero life.

[desert jasper]

RIP

[thin wing]

hi

[ember lake]

Hello!

[sage blade]

anyone tried The First Descendant? seems kinda meh after a few hours. feels kinda like worse Warframe with greedier cash shop?

[mental talon]

It's a Nexon game. I'm staying away on principle.

[upbeat thicket]

I have. It's a mix of Warframe and Destiny gameplay, but doesn't do anything new or better compared to those games. The graphics are nice and the game runs well on PC, but the playable characters are overdesigned at best and coomer-bait at worst. The cash shop is indeed greedier, and the skins you can buy are "meh" at best but usually just overpriced coomer sh*t (maid outfits galore).
I'd say give it about 3 hours to see if it sticks, it becomes very obvious very quickly what they're going for with this game.

I played through the tutorial and some open-world content, looked through the cosmetics store and at the prices, and promptly uninstalled the game

[sage blade]

I'm at the second actual boss fight. Actually completed it but the servers went down again... I was a little curious if it gets better later...

I played Destiny 2 during one expansion, it was the Ice themed expansions with the ice themed character subclasses... was a good time but honestly too many paid expansions for my taste

[upbeat thicket]

Then you've played it way more than I did, nice

[twilit mountain]

Only reason I'm not playing D2 right now is cuz I don't have money for the latest expansion. Otherwise I happily would put in at least another few hundred hours on top of the thousands they've already gotten from me.

[upbeat thicket]

Gotta give it to The First Descendant though, it made me chuckle when I first loaded into the hub area and almost everyone else were playing the same big booba lady. The people who didn't were Bunny players lol

Then I saw someone running around with the 100 dollar Ultimate Bunny skin and I was like "damn, they got one".

[sage blade]

haha, I only picked the big booba lady because frost abilities sounded cooler than grenades or shields 😄 I swear!

[twilit mountain]

I learned quickly during the last beta that I can't run the game well enough to enjoy it. Oh well, I'm probably not missing anything crazy.

[upbeat thicket]

"Hmmm, who am I going to choose? Suggestive blond big booba lady, generic action dude or generic big armored tank dude? Hmmmmmmmmm"

[sage blade]

not missing anything imo. the gameplay is kinda meh to be honest. almost all the missions are "stand over here and kill the enemies that spawn"... which I guess is kinda like Destiny 2 open world content also but dunno, the gunplay feels more interesting in D2

I was hoping it would've been good enough to waste my time until July 9th

[upbeat thicket]

The only gameplay mechanic I enjoyed was the grappling hook, but then again, Warframe beats it with at least a dozen more interesting movement options

[twilit mountain]

The meat of D2 isn't open world either. I'd wager 85% of the playerbase doesn't touch open world much after they finish a DLC campaign.
Maybe an argument to be made for certain vendor reps or triumphs, but they aren't really all that necessary.
And yeah, D2 gunplay just hits different. It's not the best gunplay ever, but it's unique and handles itself well enough to be distinct.

[sage blade]

oh well, need to find something else to do until july 9th... I got Dwarven Realms recently lol 😄 maybe try that some more

[vagrant topaz]

Hero Siège base game is on sale for 77 cents

Euro cents

[sage blade]

never heard of that, looks like it might be fun 😮

and couple of my friends own it and I know they play good games 😄

[vagrant topaz]

I bought today

I need figure out the lootfilter because 1st zone and I am already swarmed

[twilit mountain]

Note they may have gotten it before 2.0 came out, 2.0 drove the vast majority of the playerbase away from the game

[sage blade]

yeh there's mixed reviews and lots of people saying that the game used to be good but not so much anymore

77 cents whatever, might as well try it

[upbeat thicket]

I think I got it for free during a Steam event a couple years ago lol

I don't even know what genre it is

[junior oyster]

The base game is practically cheap but the dlc adds up 👍

[hexed stream]

man, when people say D2, 99.9% of my brain says diablo 2, and the 0.1% says it's something else

brain failed me

[sand wigeon]

ARPG player moment

Speaking of ARPG’s, I’ve actually been really enjoying Minecraft Dungeons

The gameplay loop is pretty damn satisfying, and I like the level-based system instead of the usual “walking through connected maps in an act” type thing

And the artstyle is quite nice

[hexed stream]

d1 style

[sand wigeon]

Perhaps. Never played Diablo 1, I wouldn’t know.

[upbeat thicket]

Same lol

[junior oyster]

I only accept the existence of Diablo 2. The other game doesn't exist.

[sand wigeon]

It’s okay, one day we can hope for (Minecraft) Dungeons 2

[hardy crane]

a baby Muffin - circa 2000 lol

I was barely 18

[narrow token]

Old people being old.

[sand wigeon]

Computers existed back then? /s

[hexed stream]

in 2000? even 3rd world country like mine already had countless of them

all the little computers running windows 98

playing minesweeper lol

[sand wigeon]

No, that can’t be true

Simply mustn’t

[hexed stream]

🥳

[sand wigeon]

I don’t know how to interpret this

[simple needle]

thats the iconic xp wallpaper with the box pc screen

[cursive hare]

You mean iconic xp os 😃

[hexed stream]

The legend

[faint mauve]

we the same age i think lolz, i had the same mouse it was one of the better early opticals.

iirc its microsoft and not logitech, i was playing pro quake/unreal tournament back then

[hexed stream]

it was such an ancient past where people were playing d2, aoe1 and 2, then later on mu online

[ebon meadow]

Hey I played quake 3 on ball mouse lol and that not even win Milenium ,xp was goated tho

Win 95 was the first one I touched

[sand wigeon]

Ah yes, Quake

The shooter for insane people

[junior oyster]

I guess you mods already know but <@&1161418687471956101> spam

[sand wigeon]

Trying to get into that series now is crazy difficult because anyone playing it has been playing for a long time, the average skill level is absolutely insane

[ebon meadow]

I mean what was the last one quake champions ? And people were already crazy stupid good there

Like if u a new player to those fast pace shooters u going to hate the game

I played in beta and yea I don't have reflexes like that anymore lul

[sand wigeon]

Exactly, yeah

[hardy crane]

lol maybe - im 42

[hardy crane]

yup - grandpa x2 😛 lol

[faint mauve]

yeah i played quake 3 in invitationals and tournaments overseas back then, i used a ball mouse for most of that time

the russian prodigy at the time used an oem russian mouse anyway so this entire thing about dpi was overrated

[ebon meadow]

Таже мышка before I get pitched and forked i used the same mouse

[sand wigeon]

You’re telling me you don’t use half-broken mouses like normal people?

[hexed stream]

we have come far, from a mouse with big ball, to mouse with no ball

[junior oyster]

I can't wait to play LE on offline mode and cheat the hell out of it 😂

[quasi monolith]

are you using an external tool or is there an ingame option to do that? i think this league i will test the build first before buying 2 red rings just to realize a skill node doesn't act like i thought it did

[junior oyster]

There might be external tools but I will be using cheat engine mostly

Ingame there is no such thing

I do wish though that necro minions could be changed so that when you die, you don't have to resummon them again

Grim Constitution - Grim Dawn constiitution 😉

[hexed stream]

I asked for storm totem buff for so long, finally, not exactly what I want, but definitely what I need

[main shard]

@naive pine ey

[sand wigeon]

Just had excellent chili, very tasty

[tawny sand]

mmm chili

[indigo shadow]

did someone say https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Thunderfury,_Blessed_Blade_of_the_Windseeker

[lean dragon]

https://youtu.be/ezYlWGg3rdo?si=YE3vaTLp9Pa6A8HD

@clear zephyr check this out

[clear zephyr]

This is clearly insane. I thought you were talking about that Ohtani solo shot. Wild stuff, duder.

[sand wigeon]

duder...

so by nfl you meant sports stuff

obvious in retrospect

[clear zephyr]

Yeah, but the greater point was how strange Discord is as a concept. Though I will happily discuss the NFL if you like. I got some opinions. Duder.

[sand wigeon]

I don’t know anything about football