💬┃general

[keen sundial]

10 stacks

rookie numbers

[copper spear]

have you tried turning your slugma setting off and on again

[fossil wolf]

Yes.

I have infact turned the settings all the way down, and then all the way back up lol.

[keen sundial]

One cool suggestion would be to let us move our status effects

[copper spear]

damn slugs hiding in the code

[keen sundial]

like when i play low life builds I can't see shit

and i just die

[fossil wolf]

Idk if it's my driver.. But I can't update it anyways so..

Yeah..

[copper spear]

have you tried switching from DirectX to vulkan?

[fossil wolf]

I... Don't know how to do that in here lol.

Be nice if Nvidia would stop breaking random things so I didn't have to play chicken with driver updates.. But you know multi trillion dollar company. I am asking too much.

[celest jay]

ah boo... DerrickG is out. Guess i need to hold off on my bug report lol

[south moat]

You could still send it

Anyway, not surprised that he's out
Think their workday is over

[carmine arch]

So I thought 75% was alot... but I guess it is not lol

I picked the web for more arenas in my echo and it is up to 75%

still have yet to see one

[celest jay]

I'm being asked for video documentation

it's all good though. I'll just compile what I can figure out tonight and save it for later so we can get this thing patched up asap

[south moat]

👍

[carmine arch]

Is after doing a few more echos I still don't see a arena. Is the node bugged?

[night marten]

75% increased can still be pretty small if the spawn number is low

[carmine arch]

Well if 4 new echos spawn in, that should be 3 arenas right?

Give or take

[night marten]

Lol, no thats not how that works

If you have a 5% chance to spawn

75% inc raised that to like, 8.75%

[carmine arch]

Oh, so the node is useless

[night marten]

Sure dude. W.e makes you feel better

[unique elk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fire-vacuum-this-is-fine-l2QEgWxqxI2WJCXpC

[carmine arch]

I mean that increase would be so low its not worth the points... you don't have to be rude about everything dude

Everything you say sometimes is either smart or condescending.

[south moat]

If you have an issue with moderation you can send DM to @grand geyser
And it will be viewed by someone else

[carmine arch]

I wouldn't go that far, just some more friendly interaction. I get what you are saying though. Thank you nub.

[south moat]

Anyway, I don't think the node is useless
Works the same way as crit nodes etc

[serene acorn]

hello, are they going to release the paid classes or they already refuse to do it?

[south moat]

It's coming at the same time as the free expansion

[night marten]

Its the same way any and every inc% works with spawns and drops in LE. But because its not how you thought it, how you want it, its totally useless.

Which its not. But if labeling it useless makes it better for ya, go for it

Also the number are just an example so you would see and understand. Dont think anyone has actual spawn rates for specific echoes

[south moat]

So many things you can do to affect the spawn rates

[night marten]

Ya itd be pretty hard to get an accurate % with WEs, chains, vessels, orobyss, cemeteries, skipped spots.

And all the things in the tree

Unless ehg just told us

[south moat]

Honestly I'm just glad we have the option of removing arena echoes completely
Not a big fan of those

[night marten]

Which isnt likely

[south moat]

Oh yea, I'm sure EHG will just tell us

[night marten]

Ya. A lot of ppl dont. But honestly they feel much better with the increased ms at spawn

They get there so fast no

And then they cant turn properly

[serene acorn]

wdym

[south moat]

That paid class is still planned.

[night marten]

The paid class is being released at the same time as the free xpac content. Seperate things, same time

[south moat]

And will come at the same time as the expansion
that expansion is free, the class is separate purchase

They need money to run the company, develop the game and run the servers

[novel locust]

wow Flame Reave is fun af

[simple bison]

Welcome to spellblade brethren

[modern lance]

In my opinion, i think its better to release a payed expansion instead, the game is worth it.

I don’t know the price point EHG is looking at for the payed class, but lets say $30 or something, then instead the expansion could be priced at $15 as (hopefully) you’ll have way more people buying it, than just the class. And everyone playing is on same terms :)

[south moat]

You should've seen the backlash for it
I'm also sure the class isn't going to be $30 when the game is $30

[simple bison]

Eh I disagree. As someone who isn't an altaholic if the class doesn't appeal to me all that much I'd likely just save my money, but I'd buy the expansion no matter what

Having it be a paid class instead of a paid expansion let's people stay competitive and have access to all the same items and content on the classes they gave access to for free

[frosty ridge]

they need to put that $90 mil from krafton to good use. another 7 month season is going to be zzzzzz

[simple bison]

That 90 mil doesn't go to developing the game xd

That's not how an acquisition works

It's like selling a house to someone and using the money they gave you to renovate it for them

The money goes to the former shareholders of EHG

[frosty ridge]

gets redistributed for sure but now they have additional resources they can leverage

[simple bison]

Oh yeah for sure

[modern lance]

My only fear, is that (experience from most other online games) the class they release under a paywall will have a power boost compared to other classes, to incentify people to play it.

And when that is under a paywall, the P2W discussion will become very much alive.

Meanwhile if the entire expansion instead was payed for, its equal grounds for everyone :)

[simple bison]

Not for those who don't have the expansion

What if the expansion content gives like 2x the items

Same deal

[south moat]

Not buying the expansion if it doesn't let me start at lvl 100 with full gear and 100 uberroth woven echoes

[simple bison]

Leaderboards are already split by class and stuff anyway. So if I like mage I can continue to play mage for free and not feel any pressure to pay anything

This wouldn't be the case if the expansion was paid

[south moat]

Who is hammering outside
It's 5am

[modern lance]

I get that point :)

I was mostly thinking in pure sales, again I dont know the money amount EHG has planned.

But as a company I’d rather have 100.000 people buying an expansion for $15 than 20.000 people buying a class for $30.

Its just guestimates from my end though :)

[simple bison]

Yeah I see your point too but to me paying at all, no matter how much is likely seen as bad (I don't mind I'll likely buy the class even if I never play it lol). So pressuring the people who wouldn't want to pay for anything as little as possible is probably the best move imo

[serene acorn]

other games need money and don't do that

[south moat]

Yeah just like diablo3 didn't release jsut the necromancer class

[errant sundial]

right?? LOL

[serene acorn]

you are talking about blizzard, you know what kind of company is that

[south moat]

Well
Then don't just say "other games" and then start going "oh but not the games of that company"

[serene acorn]

If they could charge you for playing at night, they would

[serene acorn]

the topic is, they told us that they'll never do that, we had a paywall to play the game, now we have another paywall

[south moat]

Ah, one of them "Just develop the game with me literally never spending any more money on the game. surely the studio will magically stay up"

Turns out
When people don't buy the cosmetics as they originally planned on funding it
They have to figure out alternative ways

[serene acorn]

so why do they put a paywall there then?

[serene acorn]

yes, if ppl don't buy cosmetics, then we are going to make paid gameplay

[south moat]

BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE

[serene acorn]

if they don't buy that paid gameplay, let's put them in a queue everytime the play the game with ads

[serene acorn]

why are they not removing that paywall then?

so multiple paywalls because they need money

[south moat]

Things do not always go as you planned.
I guess they should've just shut down the studio while they're at it

[ionic vale]

we absolutely need guns

[serene acorn]

why poe can stay there? just tell me

[ionic vale]

FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMM AMERICA

[serene acorn]

i've wasted maybe $2k in cosmetics

they shouldn't add paywall and more paywalls to get money

i liked the cosmetics they added, but i refuse to buy them with this roadmap

[quick snow]

calling buying the game a "paywall" is kinda crazy

[serene acorn]

just let me know if they decide to stop that, i'm going to insta buy the cosmetics they have in that moment and i'll send the proof here

[serene acorn]

kinda crazy say this guy hahaha

just saying the definition and to this guy that's absurd

[serene acorn]

sure there's not a wall if you don't pay, sureeee

[quick snow]

A paywall is a digital content restriction system requiring payment or subscription for access.

so yeah. no

[serene acorn]

wtf bro??

[south moat]

Which technically buying the game is
After all, you don't get access to the contents without paying

[serene acorn]

so if you don't buy the game you have the access?

[mighty moss]

If I have an altar with "4 Heretical Idols equipped at Maximum" but I can only have 1 I assume that's a bug?

[south moat]

File a bug report about it

I recall someone saying that the idols still gave the bonuses even if it shows that they're not working or something
But I haven't checked it myself

[mighty moss]

It might just be a client-side bug only, when I looked for an alternative altar I noticed that the bug apparently goes away when you un- and then re-equip it

[south moat]

oh yea, did they "level up" while you had them equipped?

[mighty moss]

no, the bug occurred at the end of a tomb when I re-enchanted my 1st leveled one and first-enchanted my 2nd equipped class idol

[modern lance]

To be fair, early Blizzard games like Warcraft 3, Diablo 1&2 and Starcraft 1&2 have been worth the expansion moneys.

But newer games maybe not so much :)

Anyhow at the end of the day, I don’t disagree with the decision of adding some payment for the game, EHG needs butter on the bread too :)

[serene acorn]

you always talk about "they need money" like that's the only way to get it... seriously?

as i said, i liked the cosmetics they had atm, but i refuse to buy them with this roadmap, as like me, there are others...

that's the point, and as i said, i usually waste much money on games, so if they stop this, i'm going to waste much more in this game

as like me, there are others... just saying...

[ancient surge]

A lot of assumptions on the basis of... <?>
I think either side may be right, but where's our data confirming or infirming?
Simply saying "there are others" is also generic to no end since there are others of every kind. There are others who maintain faith in EHG, there are others who worry about the future of LE and EHG, there are others of all kinds...

[unique drum]

Are there builds that use the corruption stat conversions? Every time I get it, it might as well say "your item is ruined"

[ancient surge]

Maybe builds that could use, but outside of exulis, I wouldn't bet on an amulet with the right affixes AND the right stat conversion corruption.

[unique drum]

Im sure someone could probably come up with some build using guile that breaks the game. For me it just puts my armor at negative and dodge to 0 lol. Brutal outcome

[hard basalt]

there's quite a few builds using brutality, rampancy and madness afaik

guile and apathy I haven't seen as much (or at all)

[errant sundial]

nobody cared enough to make an apathy build

with exulis, it's a matter of "am i a build that doesn't care about this drawback". i hate losing the resistances from vit, armor from str.

[hard basalt]

yeah exu's such a tricky one

sometimes I wish I can have only 1 corrupted stat

[ancient surge]

For the most part, the corruption attributes I think were meant to offer a "hit harder, but sacrifice this" setup, but some of them sacrifice something largely irrelevant for some builds, while others sacrifice staples for most, if not all builds (Only zhp doesn't care about armour, as an example).

Had a quick look through their effects again. Basically, Brutality is more melee damage, but you leech less, which is a simple and straightforward hit harder, survive less for most builds I can think of. That do not defend via ward.
I could go on, but the conversion attributes are mostly variants for the "off-build" that uses the base stats for something else entirely. Like Guile, since who cares about dodge outside of rogue? If the build can employ the CDR to evade and never care about dodge, it will want Guile.
They are weird, but they are, for the most part, valid.
Except Madness, since sure, more crit damage dealt to character, but how about 100% crit avoidance as mitigation instead?

[errant sundial]

Brutality loses a lot of armor. The Armor DR difference between my Brutality vs Apathy Exulis is:
1435 -> 31%
3473 -> 54%

As a Lich,
my Dodge is 0, so Guile is fine.
I don't care about Mana, so Apathy is fine.
I have 100% Crit avoidance, so Madness is fine.

[ancient surge]

I think it was 4% armour per strength point? So, you're trying to use it as a strength stacker, or do I have it wrong?

At any rate, I cannot claim to see all possibilities at a glance like this... All I'm saying is that the conversions don't always make sense in the expected format.

[serene acorn]

that's why you use arguments... and the main topic is about a fact, they are going to add a paywall, what's a paywall is a yes/no to access to some gameplay, and that's sad, because it's time and efforts they are investing in a small player community, it's insane how you support that people that already bought this game have to pay again to access the new gameplay? as i said, they have core issues and this is another issue they are going to have, they are trading player base for money because i'm not the only one that just skipped this season and is going to skip every season until they stop this...

[ancient surge]

Yet another generic response... Again, you may be right, someone else may be right, but at this level, I would not agree with either side myself.
This "paywall" you reference is a single class. The rest of the game content is available to everyone on the same, equal basis: Own the game or buy it and the expansion? Full access to actual game content. Standard.

[hard basalt]

brutality stacker is a strength stacker with an amulet after all

[untold yew]

coming back for this season after awhile, whats a good pick for 'get through all that again' quickly these days?

[hard basalt]

can't go wrong with spin to win

[ancient surge]

Fair enough, but I thought brutality has an absolute cap and every point of it simply allows skills with less mana cost to apply the cap?

[hard basalt]

nope, the cap is for the mana cost (caps at 20 iirc)

but you can scale that cap infinitely

[untold yew]

which mastery is best for that these days?

havent played since season 2 so I'm assuming much hath changed

[hard basalt]

I think void knight is most popular atm

[ancient surge]

"Each point of Brutality grants Melee Attacks 0.02% more Damage per 1 Mana Cost (up to 20, multiplicative with other modifiers)" I admit, by this alone, I can't tell, but give me a moment to fish out the patch ntoes again, they had some mention there.

[hard basalt]

since void well still solves mana issues

ah, they changed the unlimited mana/damage scaling btw

[untold yew]

now do I give him a real name or just some variant of 'demaciaaaa'

[hard basalt]

now it caps at a certain point

[untold yew]

there any actually new story stuff to care about before I get to where it left off in season 2?

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, it's up to 20 mana cost

It's not really clear

[ancient surge]

Well, I did double check and you are correct, it's not easy to read as such, but it is that each point gives damage % per mana cost, where mana cost is maximum of 20, but the point investment simply accelerates the scaling and is uncapped.

[hard basalt]

there's up to ch10 now

we finally see mommy eterra

[untold yew]

which chapter was left off on in season 2?

[ancient surge]

Still, this gives the player a choice and conundrum: More damage for less survivability in the form of both reduced leech and armour % that they could have instead.

[untold yew]

been awhile

[ancient surge]

So, how about a strength stacking evasion build?

[hard basalt]

gets hit by an undodgeable attack

[ancient surge]

ce'st la vie?

[hard basalt]

poison bone spike intensifies

[hard basalt]

8 I think?

[ancient surge]

Chapter 9 was the last chapter since 1.0 (if not earlier)

10 was added in season 3.

[untold yew]

ah almost forgot to equip the most important item

my noble capybara

[ancient surge]

At any rate, my point about attribute conversions is that they seem to be more meant to make the players use attributes in an entirely different way. Like I proposed: Str stacking brutality evasion build.
Now, I also think not all of those conversions actually achieve that very effectively.

[stray glen]

There's a guy using Stormbear Druid, stacking Strenght with it and wielding Cleaver Solution + Palarus. He gets a lot of added spell damage from STR and converts his Intelligence to Madness (he doesn't care about ward and is Crit Avoid capped). Since his INT/MAD is equal to his STR then he gains a lot of Spell Critical Multiplier.

He doesn't convert STR to Brutality though.

[ancient surge]

That sounds about right.

[hard basalt]

yeah some sacrifices stats that you don't care about too much/can bypass

while some like armor are always going to always be useful

[ancient surge]

But that depends on HOW you plan your build. As I said, not many builds are actually zhp such that they can live without the armour. Or maybe they can stack enough armour without the strength contribution instead?

[hard basalt]

there's never enough unless you're overcapping at 85% armor

[ancient surge]

You still have to think differently about the stats if you convert them. Some conversions are more niche than others

As has been noted and made into builds: madness is too easy to use. If you can Stack it while having 100% crit avoidance, you are golden in terms of spell crit.

While brutality is unintuitively, maybe, rather niche in that sense.

[stray glen]

I think it's pretty hard to stack armour without STR, that's why i think Brutality is made for glass cannon characters and to some extent Rampancy too. The other 3 stats are easier to figure out your defenses around.

[ancient surge]

And that is precisely how I see it too.

The baseline defensive system of LE is implicitly: 75% resistances, as much armor for mitigation as you can fit, crit mitigation to not get crit-one-shot, for the vast majority of builds and use cases.

Even the least defensive build that is not zhp still utilizes all of those to an extent.

[stray glen]

After thinking twice, Rampancy can ignore the lost of Health if you use it on a ward build that wants to attack extremely fast, so it's not hard to build defense for it UNLESS you want to use Fangs of Berserker belt.

I think the problem is more to find a ward class that have a reason to stack Vitality, maybe Acolyte?

[ancient surge]

It has to involve a modicum of life leech, since losing health per cast can just kill you if you hit 0 health, regardless of ward. Aura of Decay lessons in echo of a world safe space fun time :p

[stray glen]

Rampancy doesn't lose health per cast, that's Apathy.

[ancient surge]

Oh... confusion is me, then.

Acolyte can ignore health so long as it doesn't convert lost health into ward, since that kind of wants as much maximum health as it can get.

[hard basalt]

apathy also cost current health

[ancient surge]

Moreso Lich, if they cap their ward and health.

[hard basalt]

so it shoujldn't be able to kill you

[ancient surge]

Depends on health regen there, I suppose. At 0 health regen, if you get yourself to 1 HP, I would assume the next cast would set it to 0.

Which is not to mention how acolyte has several skills that have a life cost or component.

[stray glen]

Nope, current health lost doesn't kill, if it were max health or a fixed amount of health it would be another story.

[hard basalt]

I don't think killing yourself with your skill is a thing tbh

[ancient surge]

Want me to show you? I just need my lich from last season, slap in an aura of decay and prove it :p

[hard basalt]

uh lemme rephrase, I don't think killing yourself with a healthcost spell is a thing

[ancient surge]

It's hard to achieve, but it can happen.

[severe socket]

I wonder what would happen if Shuriken's Blade Shield node converted the skill into melee attack...

[ancient surge]

Rogues can already kind of abuse Brutality, do we need to give them more cause for it? :p

[hard basalt]

well things are gonna be...

brutal

[untold yew]

I would just like to thank the devs for giving us that little chest we can go and grab instead of waiting for the unskippable cutscene bit in the intro to happen so we can go on

[steep hill]

I have 75% resistances everywhere and at least 45% armor.

Yet I get hit (non crit)) for 14000 dmg. Like, are you supposed to have that much hp? how?

[willow sentinel]

2 questions
What corruption are you at?
Was there some kind of big visual indicator? Like a big aoe on the ground

Because some attacks aren't meant to be tanked

[short vessel]

Also other layered defenses, block, less damage taken, 45% armor is pretty low

[simple bison]

Capped resistances and a little bit of armour is bare minimum for like a few hundred corruption at best

[short vessel]

45% armor means taking 55% of damage, getting that up to 65% armor means taking over 1/3rd overall less phys damage

[simple bison]

Yeah goin from 45% to 65% increases your ehp by almost 40%

[short vessel]

But also stuff like can you supplement your hp with ward, bones of the ancestral pack is agood one there

[simple bison]

I feel like everyone running all legendary items has obliterated a lot of peoples self made builds defenses lmao

People just go 1 or 2 prefixes on everything and then have 0 defense

[short vessel]

I'm always doing suffixes first on my legendary shit

Unless it's jewelery

[simple bison]

Tbf though nowadays there's usually a nasty unique for every slot so it's somewhat warranted, but you gotta put on some suffixes fr

[short vessel]

Ah yes

Nasty unique

looks at blood roost in my beastmaster's glove slot

[simple bison]

I mean we're using teeth as swords, hearts as relics etc

It's not the most pleasant collection lul

[short vessel]

Wish there was a better way to get some minion ms on gear

[carmine smelt]

Mage slams prefix

It do be like that

[short vessel]

Well yeah sure most top tier builds do that in general

[hard basalt]

even if you slam suffixes poison bone spike knows no mercy anyway

[carmine smelt]

14k armour with 60% armor dot mitigation and 1500+ ward per second

Is not enough

[short vessel]

The imperial pyromancers are also scary

[deft crater]

from my testing gloves+experimental affixe with 5k armor + less damage from amulet is not enough to endure the DoT you can suffer from in 1k. This league you want to stay in 300-500c

[simple bison]

If you're using armour as your primary layer 5k is not a lot

[deft crater]

i'm not that's the funny part, i use armor for the DoT

[simple bison]

Depending on your mastery I feel like there's much more efficient ways of mitigating dots lol

[short vessel]

yeah that sounds like not great DoT mit

but DoT mit is still difficult to work in in general

[hard basalt]

I think armor mitigation for non-phys could use a tiny bit rework

do the 70% cut on the armor value and not the actual mitigation value

right now it's suffering so much from the cut on non-phys

[simple bison]

experimental armour to dot is at most like 30%, at 5k armour you're taking 60% reduced phys so it's like 20% reduced phys dot and like 14% non phys dot mitigation

this is with a T7 experimental affix. at T5 you'd have half the mitigation. By no means should it be enough by itself for 1k corruption lol

[short vessel]

man it surprises me that the most expensive item to replicate on my aspirational gear planner for last season is actually one of the pieces i did actually get

[deft crater]

i did just check out my char has 6k5 armor, he rely on regen (primalist) he still can do 1k but 500c is better if i came across sludges

[hard basalt]

rng giveth

[deft crater]

experimental is T4 unfortunatly

[simple bison]

If armour is a primary layer I feel like you should aim for at least like 7-8k for 1k corruption, among other things

[short vessel]

it was a T7ex/T5/T7 slammed brewmasters buckle

[simple bison]

yeah so you're getting like less than 10% mitigation

[short vessel]

and like

3lp brewmasters are like at least 7mil a pop on MG

they're kinda crazy

[hard basalt]

man confluence of oblivion is literal darksouls now

[deft crater]

T4 experimental is 14% + base 17% (max is 22% i believed)

[celest glen]

Y a-t-il des Français

[deft crater]

certains

[simple bison]

English only please

[hard basalt]

omelette du fromage

[deft crater]

baguettes!

[severe socket]

The borked Dexter line will never get old, huh?

[celest glen]

Il y a pas de serveur discord pour l'instant en français

[simple bison]

So yeah 10% phys and 7% non phys mitigation from the affix

extremely meh

[hard basalt]

all armor mitigation derivates could use a rework to work based on armor value instead of the derivative 💀

[deft crater]

yeah with 6k2 armor is not enough

[hard basalt]

since %DR is exponentially more powerful the more you have it

so % based on final mitigation is similarly a lot less powerful

since you only get a small fraction

[simple bison]

I mean if it worked off of the rating it would be busted for high armour builds lol

[deft crater]

don't get me wrong as primalist invocater, i can endure a lot of things, but not the "high" DoT

[hard basalt]

I wouldn't mind non-phys def being brought more in line with phys def tbh

[deft crater]

and i need a lot of unique with low armor

[hard basalt]

and we sorely need better DoT mitigation anyway

[deft crater]

on my forgeguard i don't see the DoT... i just see the lack of dps x)

[willow sentinel]

Salut, il n'y a pas de serveur Discord officiel en français effectivement. Par contre il existe des serveurs communautaires, je te conseille celui de Spiiike
https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1483077238839578746

[celest glen]

Merci

[deft crater]

in 700+ my captain america is doing fine tbf

he can reach 80k armor (just tested out is 12k armour)

just makes me laugh to see the migation from armor he can gets (as a super hero)

[hard basalt]

confluence of oblivion buff wasn't mentioned anywhere in the patch notes right?

[short vessel]

goddammit they never fixed the primordial exalt + thaumaturgy device bug

[severe socket]

What buff?

[hard basalt]

they're hitting way harder now

[short vessel]

they're now literally just 5 of the same shades as in the regular echo of the world

as opposed to 5 super weedy ones

[hard basalt]

I feel like I didn't used to get oneshot so much by just 1k corrupt shades

[deft crater]

1kc is brutal at the moment

as intented i supposed

[hard basalt]

like even the blackhole mines that follow you around is often oneshotting me now

[deft crater]

oh those always have been brutal

[hard basalt]

I mean it's one thing that 1kc is brutal, but these shades are way way way more brutal than anything else in the same corr

[short vessel]

man

[hard basalt]

I can do 1.4k corr but 1k shades are spanking me

[deft crater]

Orobys is the real boss

[short vessel]

it would've been so nice if the prim exalt experimental craft bug had been fixed

i'd have my new boots

[hard basalt]

what bug is that

[short vessel]

if you try and experimental craft on a primordial exalt the craft just doesn't happen and the device bricks for the echo

it just fails to do any experimental crafting after, even for regular items

[hard basalt]

ah that one

[short vessel]

idk if you're intended to be able to experimental craft on them or not

[hard basalt]

I don't see why not

[short vessel]

me neither

[deft crater]

did you report it?

[hard basalt]

right now I just wish they'd fix stash

[short vessel]

ofc

[hard basalt]

they supposedly fixed stash last patch but I'm still getting a crapton of funky things happening

[short vessel]

both now and last season when i initially found it

[hard basalt]

just last season? no wonder, it's probably still in the queue

[short vessel]

they prolly looked at it and went "what kinda player wants primordial MS boots"

[hard basalt]

someone trying to outrun the extinction event

[short vessel]

as primalist, sounds about right

[deft crater]

yeah

[short vessel]

god i wish i put minion tele on my current ones

they also got T6 corrupted haste effect

[deft crater]

and after a few testing (3 bosses) they did fix the annoyong boss stun stacking

[short vessel]

so they give in total 83.4% increased MS

with haste

[deft crater]

oh my lord that's not bad

[short vessel]

i currently have 149% increased ms with haste

i am still like 50% below what rogues get to with way less investment

[deft crater]

rogues are rogues

[short vessel]

primalist still better off than aco i think for mobility

[deft crater]

i don't enjoy primalist that much, but i really like the mov skill they have

leap is awesome

[short vessel]

it is

but we also gotta stop a lot to do things and it kinda leaves us more dependant on our MS for mobility than a lot of rogue and sentinal stuff

[deft crater]

when rogues have smoke bomb, shift+extra to move around x)

[short vessel]

i remember playing falconer

and it felt like a point and click adventure game

[deft crater]

sentinel is the worst when talking about moving skills imo

[hard basalt]

lol

[short vessel]

your character didn't have to do anything

[hard basalt]

inevst in healing hand or get stuck with lunge

[short vessel]

yeah sent traversal skills suck

[hard basalt]

shield rush zoom zoom tho

[short vessel]

when it decides to work

[deft crater]

and then you don't have a shield and don't use HH

[hard basalt]

actually I think you don't have to use a shield

[deft crater]

i mean shield rush is great

[hard basalt]

or there was a node that disables it

but yeah alas, that's just for leveling purposes, no spare slot later on

[deft crater]

but if you don't use HH or a shield... you're screwed

[short vessel]

man

[deft crater]

you have lungde...

[short vessel]

it'd be really nice if i could get my haste on evade idol enchant back...

[deft crater]

btw i haven't try smite as a traversal skill is it fixed now?

[steep hill]

100

I dont know. Maybe? I cant really tell. I have Visual problems and have problems to see that

[short vessel]

was it just in echos or were you somewhere specific

[steep hill]

That Moment with the 13k non crit hit was at the tentacle Boss. I could not see what killed me

[short vessel]

possibly his circular AoE blast, that does hit very hard

and you are not intended to tank it at all

[deft crater]

oh Lagoon

[steep hill]

I know he has These eye Lasers that I Dodge but that 13k hit was Always Something invisible

[hard basalt]

or the eye laser

I think the eey laser is even worse

[deft crater]

the hit boxes are a bit off

but not that bad

[short vessel]

the straight eye lasers don't hit quite that hard, and the sweeping one is very obvious + doesn't hit that hard all at once

[steep hill]

I could not see an AoE blast.... I will try to Look for it the next time

[deft crater]

the eye turns red

[short vessel]

he rears up and it's a circular floor AoE

looks like the moon

[deft crater]

watch for those

also the claw/crab attack hits before it lands sometimes

[short vessel]

hmmm

wonder if evade still gives stun immunity

[steep hill]

OK, Thank you. I will try. Like I Said I have very bad eyes so I have problems seing some Details. But I will try to keep an eye out for the Clues

[deft crater]

are you in season Dennis?

[steep hill]

Yeah but I Play full offline

[deft crater]

then ask Udgard for help (joking)

3 skills you have to avoid on Lagon : laser, ( the clue is the eye turning red) the blast (when his both hands are up) and the claw

then you're good, he's not an easy one to deal with

[steep hill]

OK, thank you

[short vessel]

god i'm becoming a pessimist

just looking at the convo in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

about them reworking CoF

and thinking "...i bet this ends up as a nerf overall"

[south moat]

I'd hope not

[simple bison]

I don't really care about the power level of the faction as long as it's more fun than it is currently (not very)

[south moat]

I always forget to go & get more prophecies tbh
And it's kinda annoying going back to the observatory just for them

[simple bison]

Yep, so like. Even if it ends up being a nerf compared to optimal current prophecy grinding I couldn't really care less because I kinda refuse to do current prophecy farming lmao

[south moat]

Also it seems that most people run the mono + non mono lenses anyway

[short vessel]

while fair and i'd still prolly prefer it to MG, it getting hit harder than MG by imprint nerfs this season then ending up with an overall nerf to prophecies next season would feel really bad.

But this is just pessimism, and ultimately we gotta wait and see

[versed shell]

Did the old Suggestion channel got wiped completly?

I had such a nice QoL for CoF there and its gone 💀

[south moat]

They weren't wiped out
EHG can still see them
They're just hidden from us plebs
And I think moderators too

It was all also logged

[versed shell]

At least some good news then... but its probably not happening... I had something about adding a filter to prophecies so you could list them by target location, etc... also like a mini-preview table on the left side while rolling prophecies to easily see which ones you got and how many you can still get... not exactly making the faction better, just QoL stuff

[south moat]

It's probably more than just that kind of thing
Hopefully
Though I shouldn't get my hopes up

[short vessel]

man it's funny to me how irrelevant favour is for MG

aayyyy

[willow sentinel]

You can bypass favor with token right?

[short vessel]

t7 str T7 mana regen dedication

[short vessel]

yup

[willow sentinel]

Can't you also bypass gold with the other token?

[short vessel]

which drop all the time

no

you can bypass level restriction tho

[willow sentinel]

Ah !

Right.....

[short vessel]

if you could bypass gold with it then nothing would be worth anything rofl

i have like 130 of them

[still tiger]

Hi everyone,

Anyone up for playing together? I’m aiming to push 300 Corruption+, so if you’re interested, it would be a pleasure!

Feel free to drop your username in the replies and I’ll add you 🙂

[night marten]

for groups, please use #👥┃lfg

[still tiger]

Oh sry,!

[night marten]

all g, just gonna have a better chance of getting someone to respond there

[primal abyss]

Good day

[main frigate]

@severe socket can I add you on discord?

I sent the request anyways.

[south moat]

Hey Van

[primal abyss]

Hiii!

[severe socket]

EVERYONE, GET IN THE VAN

(sorry)

Hiya 👋

[primal abyss]

Hiiyasssss Shadow

[turbid silo]

Good day everyone!

[primal abyss]

Heellooooo Derrick

[pallid sluice]

Anyone else having insane bad luck with nemisis egg's? Like it's never LP...

[turbid silo]

I've had some LPs comeback

[pallid sluice]

Or am I doing something wrong?

The last 20 items + I've egged has not given LP at all. always the other random unique.

[severe socket]

Van, tricky question: what if Blade Shield node in Shuriken converted the skill into a melee attack?

Would it make sense?

[primal abyss]

I think, anything could make sense because I love to see such chaos...

NOW if it could happen is another story 😆

🤔

[south marsh]

Honestly it doesn't make much sense

It would make it easier to use in melee builds

But yeah

I think it would make more sense to make it a toggle ability that drains mana to keep it going

[turbid silo]

Excited to see all the entries from the Forge Your Void Pet contest 😄

[short vessel]

is just RNG unfortunately

just had an echo with both siege golems and possessed golems in it

many very unfriendly circles in that one

[pallid sluice]

Yeah, it's just frustrating considering the time it takes to get some of the item's I am egging too.

[severe socket]

I'm pretty sure that Mike will dump the idea instantly. 😄

[primal abyss]

Probably hahaha.

[short vessel]

what are you putting in there?

[pallid sluice]

Rogues core of the mountain for instance. No easy way to farm it since it's only 12% drop chance and can only drop in 1 place...

[versed shell]

Just use weaver tree node to spawn a pack of dungeon mobs in your echoes that drop the boss loot

[short vessel]

ngl, i've found the weaver node that spawns dungeon enemies in echoes has a very surprisingly high drop rate for all their stuff

yeah

i've gotten multiple cores from a single echo

it's prolly slower in itself than spam farming LA, but you just get it done while doing other stuff

they can still spawn in stuff like false temple as well

so if you're amber/favour farming it doesn't stop that

[severe socket]

That's why I'm inclined to think that my redesign of leveling pipeline will only fit in a brand new game rather than here.

That system would be less cluttered, more deterministic, and more in-control when it comes to niche stuff.

[pallid sluice]

thanks for the tips

[short vessel]

zerrick triggering with no rift beast is annoying

bro's just here to nerf my dps

[strange umbra]

Good morning Travelers!

[errant sundial]

Same this node is amazing. I even got an LP2 stardial from this.

[turbid silo]

Heyo Muffin!

[split panther]

Can you get omen idol prophecies for CoF?

[night marten]

no

just drop from window content

[vernal nymph]

does the lucky WW chance on the weaver tree apply to the boss drops in tombs?

i would guess so but never know

[brittle rock]

has the warpstone rune been nerfed?

[night marten]

the what?

[brittle rock]

I can't play, everything burns

[night marten]

what are you talking about my guy

[night marten]

should be any WW drop

[vernal nymph]

right on ty. gotta farm out a kismet sword

[brittle rock]

5 times in a row the rune ruined everything for me

[night marten]

what rune are you talking about?

there isnt a warpstone rune

[steep river]

This is a Discord Server for the game Last Epoch. If you're talking about RLCraft or something there's an #📚┃off-topic channel

[steep river]

Or are you talking about Rune of Corruption? No, Rune of Corruption hasn't been changed.

[brittle rock]

rune of corruption

suddenly she started destroying everything, she already destroyed a few of mine

[brittle hollow]

Time to let her go then

[brittle rock]

this game looks worse and worse, it's a pity

[turbid silo]

I have had that happen in some cases, but not often, it's just part of the experience

[brittle rock]

I'm afraid to feel the corruption runes. Yesterday I spent 30 million gold, and everything was destroyed. Today, one attempt, the same thing. I don't have the strength to do this anymore.

[turbid silo]

I personally only use them after I have extra items outside of the things I'm wearing once the other items I'm not wearing are maxed out

[short sphinx]

i havent corrupted any gear i actually care about yet lol

for the really top tier builds corruption is just a little razzle dazzle thrown on top, not really very needed

i didn't inherit the gambling gene i fear!

[hexed coral]

I yolo everything and 75% of the time its all good

[short sphinx]

ya ima farm a few copies of stuff when i get bored and start slamming

[short vessel]

the worst thing is when you hit a corruption on an item you kinda need to upgrade out of later

[short sphinx]

i wanted to farm a few omnis to slam but got kinda bored lol

[short vessel]

and are gonna be sad to see the corrupted stats go

i hit 22% haste effect on my boots

they give a total of 83.4% increased movement speed

so when i get the craft to land minion tele on my new boots

i'm gonna have less movement speed 🙁

[hard basalt]

make your minions wear the boots, duh

[worn escarp]

I am innocent, but I received an email saying they suspended me due to RMT.

My main account is even in the Circle of Fortune faction.

My alt character is in the Merchant's Guild, but it is equipped with terrible gear.

I don't even possess 1 million gold. I play entirely solo, meaning I have never engaged in trades with friends or acquaintances.

[frosty ridge]

make a support ticket posting here wont do anything

[worn escarp]

I already submitted a ticket. I'm just venting my frustration here.

[hexed coral]

stay strong brotha

[worn escarp]

Man, that gives me so much hope. Thanks bro!

[ashen raptor]

ive done the triple woven echo 3x now, stood in the dead middle until completion every time, still no fractured prison woven echo...

is this a bug?

[hexed coral]

what woven echo are you doing?

[ashen raptor]

the one you buy from the oracle

[hexed coral]

oh the omen one?

[ashen raptor]

yeah

[hexed coral]

Youre looking for the new boss

hmm

Ive gotten it every time

[ashen raptor]

im making sure to stand in the dead middle

[hexed coral]

you sure your loot filter isn't accidentally hiding them?

[ashen raptor]

never let the timer go below 7 seconds

[ashen raptor]

turned it off to check the last 2x

[hexed coral]

I would run another, and if it doesnt drop hit F8 and submit a bug report

I assume the log that generates with the report will show drops

maybe

or at least object entities or something

If it does a full dump like most logging functions do in apps

but im not a game dev so I can't be certain

games can be a little different, but working with full stack apps, logs can usually dump objects in memory, and you can have the dumps show pretty granular details in this case specific obj entities.

[ashen raptor]

ill give it a shot

[vale panther]

I wonder if we are going to get a patch this week?

[willow sentinel]

🤞

Sneak peak of the patch note
Umbral blades now deal 99% Less Dmg

Would still One Shot uber

[limber pendant]

Just got a VPN for the built in ad blocker. Seems I can't play Last Epoch with it active.

[worn escarp]

Finally unbanned! I think I'm gonna stick to CoF forever. MG is way too scary now.

[storm quiver]

do people ask here to look for ppl to play with ?

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, it struggles with vpn

[willow sentinel]

Try #👥┃lfg 😄

[limber pendant]

Am sad now. Haha, ok thank you.

[storm quiver]

i dont see that

nvm got it

thanks

[vale panther]

that would be sad i love umbral blades

[toxic schooner]

are we going to be getting a buff to help us find our idols?

all i care about at this point, because getting one decent idol is rough, let alone a whole setup

[errant sundial]

It's funny when you see safety valves on certain skills and abilities. Like "this effect can only proc X times in Y seconds", to prevent it from ever getting too powerful. Cuz you def don't want it killing uber too fast.

Then these safety valves prevent these builds from functioning at all, and yet rogue is allowed to do this every season lmao.

[ocean idol]

Obv no viable satisfactory solution so I guess this is just venting, but I wish you could go back in after crashing in front of the timeglass core... even if it made you redo the greater omen window with drops completely disabled, it at least wouldn't feel like a waste of 4+ echoes/monolith web progression

[untold yew]

oh boy, I may need to redesign my stupid lich sidekick build.

checked on my old character and they apparently changed dread shade so much it got refunded and according to death blossom it now actually uses MY hungering souls skill instead of its own

[opal plume]

how do you guys deal with fatigue of farming for something to slam in to a 4LP. I feel it's all i've done for hours on end with 0 joy. Hundreds of thousands of favour in prophecies for daggers with absolutely nothing worth slamming. I'm at around 500 corruption, going fast and I've used up all my runes trying to make something semi-decent. Infuriating and close to just quitting tbh. Feels a waste to slam a shit dagger in to a 4lp but it's so so boring now.

Also killed about a million shades an not got a single omnis no idea what im doing wrong

[short vessel]

what are you wanting to slam

7755 will be hard, anything more is just fantasy

now

[opal plume]

got a 4lp traitors tongue, ideally need phys dmg, crit multi, armour shred and phys pen

[short vessel]

hmmm

pretty hard to imprint sequence that

unfortunately

[opal plume]

best ive got is a T7, 5, 4, 3

so rough

or a 7, 5, 5 ,1

[short vessel]

if you're fine with T7555

[opal plume]

id be totally fine with that hahah

its been sat there forever

[short vessel]

then farm for any T7 flat phys dagger with high FP

primordial it

and use it as imprint

ideally have an open suffix

[opal plume]

teach me to suck eggs, what's primordial stage?

i know imprints

[short vessel]

rune of evolution

[opal plume]

so thatll seal it, but you can stil slam?

or bc its imprinted it'll roll normally to slam?

[short vessel]

so sealed and primordial'd affixes work in a special way when on an imprint

where they'll replace one of the affixes in their usual spots at a much greater rate than if you just had them in that slot normally

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, rogue can just get infinite crit multi, that's fine

[opal plume]

oh right thats sick

[short vessel]

as a result doing this is gonna give you more T7 flat phys dagger drops

[opal plume]

i'll try that, gonna hang it up for the night for now im sick haha

oh awesome

[deft crater]

don't even try to farm 2T7 or T7&T6 this league. Prophecies for exalted are bad jokes, and imprints are not that good. So basically you farm Nemesis for exalted all day long.

[opal plume]

yeah i heard imprinting got a nerf which sucks

got an afternoon off tomorrow, will try that. Thanks dude =]

[short vessel]

imprints are still very strong for single T7 stuff if you know what you're doing

but yeah they're like 28x worse than last season for double T7

[deft crater]

i don't feel it's 50% nerfed for an simple T7, but way more, could be an impression/biais

[short vessel]

still your best bet in CoF for them

nah, there's been dataminers who confirmed single T7 per proc rate is still the same

[deft crater]

with the same base type item Cook?

[short vessel]

those mechanics haven't changed

at all

[deft crater]

would you mind to send me those tablers. I knew i was unlucky, and i would love to see how much (paper RPG layer)

[errant sundial]

I agree with you. People are playing Season 4 like it's Season 3, spending their time farming double exalts and imprints.

Imprints are nerfed, double exalts harder to come by.

It's way better to not chase super rare, instead farm moderate gear and corrupt them until you get one of the best ones.

Way more feasible upgrade path this season.

[short vessel]

they reduced the chance of an imprint proc (as in, getting a "pile of similar items") by half, added special rerolls for double exalt and an a more exponential weighting modifier based on reroll chance for uniques

[errant sundial]

Like, my LP2 with 7+5 is better than any LP3 or LP2 7+7, unless those landed the same corrupted affix as I did.

But I can farm it by corrupting several of the LP2. Good luck farming the same quantity of LP3 or 7+7. Not feasible.

[short vessel]

so if you're imprinting a single T7, the only change is the halved chance of the imprint procing to give you a pile of items

the proportion of those items that are that T7 will be unchanged

i mean

i'm playing MG this season

so double T7's are still on the table for me to some degree

[errant sundial]

I'm playing MG too.

I mentioned it in the MG channel

[short vessel]

but i do generally agree with you

honestly

[deft crater]

to be real i like the season, but somehow feels like CoF as been nerfed too (could be from me and total biais). I don't see the difference with my friend playing MG and me on CoF this season. Once again it could be Lady Luck not smiling at me but to my friend.

[short vessel]

COF is arguably nerfed harder

well

the nerf impacts them harder

[errant sundial]

LP3 Titan Heart costs 20x the value of LP2 Titan Heart.

It is better to have several LP2 to corrupt into something nutty, than a single LP3 with one chance, might brick...

[short vessel]

yup

[errant sundial]

This season feels good to be MG. Last two seasons felt good to be CoF.

[short vessel]

last season i crafted a double T7 slammed 3lp brewmasters buckle

then i look at 3lp brewmasters in mg atm

and they're at least like 7mil

[errant sundial]

Best MG season yet. Inflation is minimal, and the meta is just better suited to farm/buy several moderately rare items to spam corrupt instead of chasing hyper rare 7+7 and LP.

[short vessel]

the next thing i'm going for is a T7 mana regen T5 cdrs T5 hybrid health 10%ms ward trail corrupted with ms on potion use

[deft crater]

aren't MGs players just looking for LP1 to slam and corrupt as we do in CoF?

[errant sundial]

Some people haven't adapted and are still chasing Nemesis for 7+7.

I got a weapon with 80 crit multi and corrupted affix of another 99 crit multi. On an LP2.

And LP3 or 7+7 is not gonna be better than this piece. And I went through 9-10 staves to get it.

Way cheaper than the investment of what it would take to get a good LP3 or 7+7

For a better item

[deft crater]

exalted for LP2 look like unreacheable

[short vessel]

i've got a T7 mana/mana regen T7 minion DoT raptor spear rofl

[deft crater]

inbetween FP and drop rate

[short vessel]

was very surprised that ended up so easy and cheap to get rofl

[deft crater]

great! happy for ya

[turbid silo]

Now THAT's a good roll 🙂

[short vessel]

1.8 seconds haste on evade and 46% inc haste effect on the implicits too

i think i spent like 400k on it

[deft crater]

that's cheap tbh

[short vessel]

very

[errant sundial]

Yesterday, I kept spamming LP1 Seed of Ekkdrasil. Went through like 8 of them. These drop like candy from Aberroth and Uber.

I got T7 Phys Damage while transformed as my extra affix. So essentially I have a 7+7.

I spent maybe 2M total on exalted bases.

I dunno what it would cost someone to try to get a 7+7 on an LP2 Seed the old fashioned way, on average but prob more than what I paid.

[short vessel]

i still need to set up my money printer tho...

[deft crater]

isn't Ekkdrasil a boss drop? I thought prophecies don't affect boss drop

[errant sundial]

Not a prophecy. I'm MG

But they are a very common drop.

[short vessel]

i think tomorrow i'ma do some amber farming and buy a bunch of conquered towers

[errant sundial]

Anyway, that is the best way to gear up quickly this season imo.

[deft crater]

oh when you said 2M, i assumed favor cost, mb

[errant sundial]

Save your money for idols

[short vessel]

oh my idols are sorted

i just need to hit the goddamn haste on evade enchant

healing effectiveness + aspect of the viper effect idols are super cheap cos i'm the only person who plays scorp nova

oh also, because unfortunately weapons didn't get anything relevant for my build corruption wise unfortunately double double T7 slammed naals is still the ideal for me

i have double T7/6 slammed naals atm ready for when i land that enchant

[hard basalt]

LP1 + corrupt, as I found out, is quite a task in COF

[short vessel]

that be a lot of RNG

[hard basalt]

I'm gated by rerolling good LP1 bases before even trying the corrupt

I suppose it's much easier on MG when you can just buy a bunch of good rolled bases

[short vessel]

or super cheap corrupted/nemesis bricked ones to reroll a 1lp base

[hard basalt]

can take surprisingly a lot of bricks to reroll one good base

[short vessel]

indeed

i know from last season...

[hard basalt]

for some reason executioner's tithe seem to really love rolling 2/3% mana per stack

💀

[deft crater]

wednesday's patch will fix everything fromcopiumship

[errant sundial]

Yeah, the thing with items that need good rolls, MG has a smorgasbord of cheap items.

An LP0 can be bought for the price of dirt and corrupted to produce a Legendary for sacrifice for a better LP1.

1 affix non-corrupted legendary can be corrupted into 2 affix to reroll an LP2.

A lot of MG hasn't caught onto this, some two affix legendaries sell for a lot, when people can buy one affix and corrupt it for a second affix.

Funny thing though, if you make an MG alt, even though you cannot equip the MG item on your CoF character, you can still sacrifice MG item to gauntlet of strife.

So CoF players can still buy sacrificial fodder if it's cheap.

[pine herald]

😂 You love red ring so much

It even become your profile

[errant sundial]

I bricked my lp1

[lost garden]

qq why dont I see shade of orobyss even though I have 10 gaze of orobyss on my map? I wana increase the corruption lvl. I killed echo boss more than 5 times in a row but the shade of orobyss echo never shows up

[errant sundial]

And it's my profile pic now

[pine herald]

Oh brick a red ring is quite common 🫂

Damn rng

[desert nimbus]

I was having an issue with this if I had the echo chains node in my weaver tree allocated. You usually just have to do a few echos and itll spawn again

[lost garden]

ah yes Ive just cleared several echos now it showed up again. thx

[turbid forge]

LE is going stupid hard. Making me reach 23GB usage of ram

[formal star]

Didn't know you could brick uniques into rares poe style

Corrupted a 1LP siphon of anguish and it turned into a bad rare

[deft crater]

oh i didn't know that, nice input there

[deft crater]

as far as i know Oro proc at 12 to 16 echoes from start, and -3 per gaze. So you're getting unlucky. Also Echoes with 4 "links" can't proc Oro if i remember well

[errant sundial]

Yeah, some of the 1 affix legendaries will brick, or maxroll. But 2/3 of them will add a second affix.

Sometimes, if it's an item without a ton of variance but very important rolls.

Like a traitors tongue. You can grab a cheap one and putting the effort to reroll it with cheap fodder til you get a 13% crit and with +2 appropriate skill

[deft crater]

as a CoF only player i should give MG a try this season. I only use corrupted unique for the gauntlet of strife anyway

[errant sundial]

Up to you. I think it's better to play for the experience you want.

CoF is really good, you get lots of extras from prophecies. Boss drops especially.

[deft crater]

i usually reroll a lot Bokchoy, reach 500-700c and move on to another character

[errant sundial]

Try a MG char. It can even buy reroll fodder for your CoF char if you need.

[frosty ridge]

mg this late is a hit or miss. if you're playing a off meta char it should be fine

[deft crater]

i haven't play MG since S1 x)

[hard basalt]

alas for us offline players 😄

[errant sundial]

Killing regular aberroth is like 80k gold too lol.

[deft crater]

most of my build are mostly memes tbh

so yeah off meta

[errant sundial]

Haha mg for off meta is great

[deft crater]

then I will give MG a try (even it's late ikr) just to "feel" the difference with CoF drops

[errant sundial]

Even meta though.

I made a rip blood lich a couple days ago.

And with just starter gear, it's really strong almost uber ready.

[frosty ridge]

you have the benefit of being range in this scenario

[errant sundial]

Oops I meant lich

Kinda melee. Have to be in bone marrow range.

[deft crater]

Lich mana flay? great build

[errant sundial]

Not Mana flay. Rip blood

[deft crater]

oh interesting

[errant sundial]

Idk which is better but farming Mana idols turned me off from trying thst one haha.

[deft crater]

yeah farming idols is a chore even in CoF with prophecies

[errant sundial]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbOG0RK

[slow cloud]

Lich, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (78) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,437, Regen: 25.48/s
▸ Mana: 284.98, Regen: 20.64/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 34 Dex / 112 Int / 39 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 88% / 88% / 103% / 129% / 91% / 175% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,484
▸ Dodge Chance: 33% (1124)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,759)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 107%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Reaper Form

[errant sundial]

I need phys spell crit idol

Then I'm good.

But yeah, besides the LP1 Red Ring which was my mage's hand me down, this gear I was able to get for cheap.

[hard basalt]

it's not super bad in CoF with prophecy tbh

at least if not because the prophecy UI sucks

[deft crater]

well if you reroll often idols can be a pain in the a**

[hard basalt]

💀

also if it's omen idols, then rip

[deft crater]

i don't do omen idols for a reason....

[deft crater]

pretty nice gear, why the amulet tho?

[steep river]

You just gotta filter for the Omen Idols and hope one shows up sooner or later. I've had a couple halfway useful ones drop so far

[errant sundial]

Yes def filter. The MG filters aren't very good

[hard basalt]

I'm doing the ol' "hide them all till I need them" 💀

[deft crater]

i have 4 characters and didn't find any for my build in 90+ level x4 (lady luck isn't smiling at me this league)

the legend says : "bad luck IG, good luck IRL"

i might find a tenner on the ground at this point 🤣

[errant sundial]

They drop a lot in omens veil

And I think drop rate scales with corruption if difficulty does

[deft crater]

not sure about the corruption/omen idol rate, i didn't see any difference btw 100 and 700

[errant sundial]

Yeah I def cant confirm. Just an assumption on my part cuz mobs are harder haha.

[deft crater]

harder =/= more loot ( a good use of the weaver tree is better imo)

300-500c is ok, 500 to 1k you can see a diff, but after that, i won't be bothered

[languid rover]

It doesn't scale how many drop

I do my veils at 300 so I can do them alone and not be a pain in the ass

[deft crater]

rarity does scale with corruption doesn't it?

same amount of "drops" but they can be exalted more oftened or even uniques

https://tenor.com/view/wow-meme-gif-16600799326842403384

me when i realized most of my reroll gear is not tagged as CoF!

[formal star]

Darn. Corrupted my 1LP reen's ire and it floored the rolls.

[deft crater]

welcome to the club. It can also maxed them out

[errant sundial]

More corruption is programmed to give more loot lol. Just not sure if that applies to omen idols in omens veil

[deft crater]

i haven't see the difference btw 300 and 1k when talking about omen idols, but that can be just be me

and no my filter don't hide them

[errant sundial]

I can do them at 1k on my mage but only 500 on acolyte atm

I can't tell a diff. Hard to discern something like drop rates from run to run... And I also changed my filters

So I have no idea. Need a dev to confirm or deny lol

I don't trust anyone's anecdotal evidence even my own

[deft crater]

well from my perspective moving from 500c to 1k won't make a difference when talking about omen idol drops

i have 4 characters atm, 2 of them are 100 the rest 70+

300-500 was alrdy the sweet spot for me in S3

since i reroll a lot

LE is a good game for experimenting, and try out some new ideas/stuff

i guess if you're playing a meta you can be bothered quicky with the end game LE offers

[errant sundial]

I can test it tonight lol. I'll do ten runs at 1k vs 300.

Collect every omenidol

[deft crater]

dude i haven't see a diff in btw 300 and 1k on my pali

once again it's just a sample, lady luck was not smiling at me this league

[lost garden]

qq is it a bad idea to use mage account for farming rogue's gears in general? like it might affect drop rates for certain classes etc?

[night marten]

You arent going to find class specific gear often, like helmets, body, relic

And weapons might be a little weird. But you can get alot of the other pieces

[lost garden]

oh even I select items in the filter, I still cant farm every rogue's gear? like I want a t7 armor with rogue's affix etc

[night marten]

Not very well, no

Certain gear is weighted

[lost garden]

oh dang

hmmm

I was planning to play rogue after I gathered every gear for it.. seems like a bad idea then

might just need to get 2lp uniques then move on

[thin siren]

where can I see all the stats possible for specific idols, say smallweaver idols ?

[hard basalt]

letools has it

[thin siren]

I must be stupid then

I can find weaver idol item but not the stats

[hard basalt]

try plugging them on the builds page

put the idol there and it should show what affixes can be put on them

[thin siren]

worked ty

[lost garden]

do more than 1000 corruptions have better boss drop rates? like can I get more 2lp uniques from the echo boss compared to 700-800 corruptions?

[errant sundial]

Better yes but the difference between 1k and 800 is negligible.

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/monolith-scaling

[steel mesa]

At some point pushing corruption is more for showing off than anything tbh

[thin siren]

hm... I just finished a bunch of quets after stopping the story for a while and doing monoliths but I didn't get any passives points ?

is it a bug ?

oh it's capped nvm

[pale summit]

I found 2 Ravens Rise with LP and still no Salt the Wound gloves. I'm starting to think they don't exist

[night marten]

They exist. I have like 3 of them for all my builds not using them

[steel mesa]

rng being rng

[hoary radish]

Why is hero seige having better player retention?

[wind hedge]

do the vale spirits from cycle of life automaticly shoot enemies? they don't seem to do anything atm (totem shaman). Or do they only shoot enemies if I use spirit thorns?

[velvet kernel]

cant believe i just dropped a random red ring

[deft crater]

Great now corrupt it :p

[velvet kernel]

first i imprinted it xd

[deft crater]

don't imprit RR, it's useless

[velvet kernel]

really?

[deft crater]

yeah

[velvet kernel]

:(

[deft crater]

if you're playing MG maybe there is a sense to do so, if CoF don't

[velvet kernel]

im CoF

[deft crater]

imprint only "works" (insert Todd Howard there) for low weight uniques for i have tested

[velvet kernel]

so far it worked pretty well for the traitor dagger, but thank you for the info! ill use something else for imprints then

[deft crater]

i only imprint uniques now like ox, traitor, etc... no exalted

if i want exalted i spam Nemesis

while listening to Malicorne

[errant sundial]

Basically, treat it as if imprint proc rate scales with the item's natural drop rate.

Since that seems to be how it works now to some extent

[velvet kernel]

i was so surprised, spent hundreds of thousands in favour in other seasons trying to get the red ring via prophecy

now it just dropped in a timebeast echo chain

[deft crater]

RR drops from prophecies now, not imprint i have enough of them for my reroll whom use them

[wraith skiff]

what's the strongest lightning bow build around. found a good double t7 lightning/chc quiver. don't want to redemption and get crap. might roll a lightning bow build

[deft crater]

1LP rest no LP but i wont minmax my reroll

[deft crater]

google Malicorne 😅 Almanach

[simple bison]

You can imprint red ring and it will work. But it got nerfed so you won't drop like 20 per week

[main robin]

Haven't played this since early season 2.

There was 9 story acts then. How many are there now? The story seemed incomplete before.

[simple bison]

10

The last 2 are coming in what would be season 6 (the expansion)

[autumn socket]

Is Forge Guard shit?

[simple bison]

It's meh

I wouldn't say any mastery is "shit" considering they can all do all content

[autumn socket]

I was told on the forums that it is.. I'm just trying to find a good melee build for forge guard and i'm on the last part cause i'm level 67 and i gotta fight Apohphis or whatever

i'm not liking casters

[tranquil meteor]

Not sure if it's intended or bugged. Should Rainbow Edge (chance to shock ignite and chill on hit) and Carrion of Creation (many dots converted to bleed) have any interaction?

I'd think that it should increase bleed chance by either shock + ignite chance or by the chance of the proc in total, but it does 0

[deft crater]

FG is not shit if you like "slow pace" summoner or captain america build

Forge Guard doesn't have a lot for itself

forged weapons and shield throw are still good build imo

[night marten]

Forge strike dmg is also quite good

But ya. Fg doesnt use a lot of fg skills. Lol

[deft crater]

and dude i loooove FG

he needs some love. The shield throw sound effect is not good for me. I would like to play more with the sound on, but that sound in particular i don't like. Maybe it's just me

I like the sound of the Hammer Strike for instance. The schtonk i like it a lot, makes you feel like an anvil from the sky.

[tranquil meteor]

ok so it does work it just doesn't reflect in the stat sheet? I feel like it should

[vernal nymph]

just finished leveling an alt and realized after the observer that I never equipped an amulet

whoops

[deft crater]

hard to say, you can try on dummies (if ever you can). I've seen multiple times where the tooltip was wrong

and the character sheet can get bugged/wrong as well

Like it's showing "100% reduced damage" on my Primalist.. and ofc that's not the case

[quiet flicker]

Anybody has issues with Firebrand? It works initially, but when you change zones/tp home, then return, suddenly it doesn't work.

[untold yew]

Is there a way to rename characters (like, my legacy ones) to free up their name for a new seasonal etc?

[brittle jay]

really late season start, any kind of tip of which build is OP or wont be avalaible next season? I mean like missable OP stuff haha

[strong haven]

I'm already reaching the point to where I get bored cause im doing these monoliths over and over. Trying not to be but they just get stale after so many

[toxic path]

is the weaver tree like the atlas from Poe?

[steep river]

Kind of like the Atlas Tree.

[autumn socket]

Is there a way that for a pure sentinel build I can just play only that? I don't wanna rely or play any others cause I feel like this is just perfect for me.

I don't want a forge guard paladin or VK only sentinelt

[fallen musk]

hey guys, new rogue here. The guide i'm following says i need set items on regular items

do i farm the set items and salvage them in the woven echo thing

then place the affixs on my gear for it to work?

[desert nimbus]

Like no Mastery? Not really but there is nothing stopping you from just choosing a mastery that has passive skills you want to go for but use none of their skills

[desert nimbus]

Yes that would be how you get set affixes on normal gear

[lost garden]

thx

[formal star]

Yep

[novel locust]

Is Cooldown on boots more important than MS on Spellblade?

[simple bison]

Do you already have cooldown on belt?

[novel locust]

It's in my plans

I'm just looking on ladder and seeing a lot more cooldown on LP1 boots than anything

I guess surge is quite good

and it probably gets 100% uptime on enchant weapons

[simple bison]

Surge, flame ward and enchant weapon

all want cooldown reduction

makes it feel way better

[novel locust]

yeah for sure

I'm just used to prioing ms over everything

[simple bison]

cooldown reduction is kinda movement speed too since you can surge more often, but yeah being slow does suck

[novel locust]

yeah

[simple bison]

which is why if you have T7 cooldown on your belt you can get away with getting move speed on boots first imo

[novel locust]

Ideal world I get LP3 army of skin and can get MS/Cooldown/Dex

[simple bison]

yep

[novel locust]

but uhhh

yeah

we'll see

idk, I might try with the double t7 cooldown

I have a couple LP2 Army of skins so t5 ms doesn't sound so bad

[simple bison]

You only need around 70% cooldown recovery rate for permanent enchant weapon

so a T7 and T5 is enough

I'd spend the T7 on dex or movement speed on the second item

[errant sundial]

a key break point is 67% CDR, because as you said enchant weap cd = duration.

and yeah i don't mind the movement speed loss at all

with evade on shorter cd

[celest jay]

finally got around to making a video displaying the environmental collision errors in game.

or at least a couple of them

[onyx flame]

t7 resist on chest is absurdly useless , make it 50res + 5% les dmg taken or something , who need 100+ single res

[simple bison]

There are builds that want as much of a resistance as possible

stacking like 700+%

[novel locust]

I need a good weaver tree set up lol

Hopefully something with lots of lizards and beasts can be good

[hard basalt]

@errant sundial I see some flame reave builds drop manastrike completely, is flame reave actually able to sustain mana without it?

[errant sundial]

yeah the version featured on MaxRoll does that. I don't know the math behind what is needed to self sustain, I haven't tried it myself but because each Fire Aura stack is 3 mana, the build puts a lot into passively generating Fire Aura to not need Mana Strike.

I use the mana strike version myself. To be honest, I think it's better. I think the investment into Fire Aura sources is not worth what you gain.

but I 100% understand why maxroll built it that way. There is absolutely nothing sexy about mana strike.

nobody likes using that ability. you use it as a compromise because your build is a mana hog. that's not good design.

I think mana strike needs to be used so infrequently that it's not that bad to have it. its just a tiny annoyance.

[hard basalt]

thanks for the insight

[gloomy hatch]

Is there a wall from 70+?

[crude cove]

When ss5 gonna be released guys?

[errant sundial]

Pros of MaxRoll version:

• Surge as Traversal
• Don't have to use lame Mana Strike
• Needs to spend Idol Prefixes, Passive Points, Skill Points towards Fire Aura

Pros of Mana Strike version:

• Unskilled Teleport as Traversal
• Gets to spends those aforementioned stats and nodes elsewhere.

[marsh berry]

Anyone advocating for certain idol altars? Spire altar and pyramidal altar just seems like the best ones to me.

[hard basalt]

wait don't you run surge too on your mana strike version?

[short vessel]

it really just depends how many "big" idols you can fit in + how many get to be in the refracted slots

spire kinda sucks

honestly a terrible altar ngl

[marsh berry]

Pyramidal has the most refracted slots I think... ?

[short vessel]

it's not so much how many refracted slots it has necessarily'

but yes

so like...

jagged looks kinda crap, but you can still get 5 total combined 3x1 and 4x1 idols in it with 2 in refracted slots

in general you want to pump either prefix effect or suffix effect

generally to the point of 60+ increased effect

so that's just over 6 idols worth of value in the pumped stat

depending on the build it's like

pyramidal S tier

archaic, ocular, impervious, visage, twisted, lunar, carcinised all A tier

most of them are fine

spire kinda questionable

but could still technically fit two 1x3's, one 3x1 and two 2x2's

but not many builds at all will get proper value out of that

[hard basalt]

mana stacking 1x1 weaver idols 😄

[short vessel]

auric is probably the worst?

idk

can still do 3x 3x1's and 2x 2x2's

prophesied ends up being bad

so there's that

[ancient surge]

Indeed, the patterns are not necessarily good or bad, but that is heavily build dependent. All your altar prefixes have to do with refracted slots, while the suffixes are rather generic boosts to simply having idols of this or that type slotted in.
I'd always seen the number and accessibility of refracted slots as being key, mostly because of how the prefixes on altars work. It is also non-negligible that a good use of a refracted slot can be the push you'd need to, say, cap that one resistance so you can allocate another idol slot to some more damage.
But in the end, I personally wouldn't dare actually make a definitive statement on value of altar layouts just yet. The pyramid was the only logical one for me when I faced squeezing more bees out of my idols. Those idols are what... 4x1 or 1x4 (?) (the 4-length horizontal), so unwieldy to slot in.
But as has been pointed out, some builds may never really need anything other than a 2x1 or 1x2, so they get access to more value out of altars that can neatly fit all of that in whislt also offering boosts. I think that 6-refracted slots altar, which has those slots packed in a rectangle in the centre looked like a solid choice for me if I had to consider a bunch of small idols, with the option of 2 2x2 idols also getting refracted.
#my2cents

[severe socket]

I'm still figuring the whole thing out.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ShadowDweller/character/Razor
This is what I'm using right now. I've picked up a lot of options since, but still can't for the love of it decide what to use.

That mana pool boost given by my current one is too tasty to pass up on.

Given how Bladestorm triggering Shuriken consumes 4 mana per toss regardless of shuriken itself costing none.

And there's a minimum mana percentage condition in order for the toss to work in the first place.

One could say that I'm purposely nerfing myself. Welp...

[charred sandal]

Just go into the build planner and check how to get the best output for your desired stats

[severe socket]

I'm constantly juggling things around, don't worry. 🙂

Thing is, RNG doesn't like me at all, so gear upgrades have been few and far between on pretty much all fronts so far.

There're soooooo many stupid things about throwing damage...

• It doesn't have a dedicated mainhand/offhand base. All the flat damage comes from rings, belt, amulet, and relic. And it's stupidly rare to come by early game.
• There seems to be less percentage-scaling affixes for throwing damage. This throws off the entirety of scaling curve compared to melee, bow, or spell damage.

While I would suggest adding dedicated items and altering existing ones accordingly (think making daggers/swords throwing-compatible, like what Javelin does to melee damage for a 2h spear specifically, and adding 1h-spears and offhand-catalyst-like things like pouch or satchel with DEX implicit - looking at you, Vial of Volatile Ice), I know they won't do that. Too much work, I presume (like creating models, thinking out implicits/affixes, crafting uniques/sets, etc.).

Vial of Volatile Ice raises a peculiar conundrum... Corrupting Intelligence into Madness grants spell crit multiplier at the cost of taking more crit damage. Why not crit multiplier in general? Why spell specifically?

Vial of Volatile Ice is by all means a rogue item, but it poses as an INT-based offhand suited for mages/acolytes...

The conundrum in question is rogue gets a stat she can't utilize in full in either state (yes, it's just a single stat across the board, but still), and the item itself is a wrong base for the intended class.

[errant sundial]

Nope I don't. For Mana Strike build, you can choose between speccing Surge, Teleport, or Fireball.

Surge skill tree is kinda silly to me. You spend 10 skill points to increase its range and give it iframes, when teleport already has unlimited range and positions you perfectly without spending a point. Then with Surge, you spend the rest of your skill points to refund you 30 mana when it costs 25.

I think Teleport is better. The weird caveat is, it doesnt count as an instant cast spell, so it interrupts your mana regen (Blade Conduit passive in spellblade tree). Mana Strike doesn't care about that but with non-Mana Strike I'm not sure if this would mess with their mana economy.

The version that doesnt have Mana Strike probably cares more about having a traversal that is +5 mana positive vs one that interrupts their mana regen haha.

[severe socket]

Surge acts both as a combat skill and as a traversal tool, whereas Teleport is just that, traversal.

Same as Shadow Rend versus Shift respectively.

[hard basalt]

oh I was looking at the planner you link on the uberroth fight

that is yours right

[errant sundial]

yeahhh but if you're playing Flame Reave, the damage you get from Surge is a drop of water in an ocean.

[hard basalt]

but I guess yeah, not much point in a combat traversal, might as well get free armor shred against bosses from fireball

[errant sundial]

yeah, my gear/spec has evolved a bit. my fastest kill has fireball. i learned that tech from maxroll's version

im not sure how to quantify fireball's value

it gives 8 fire shred. without it, i was using the fire shred blessing for 10 fire shred.

but now that im getting 8 from fireball, i got the fire damage blessing instead lol

it adds like 5-10% single target. kinda unexciting

but if i specced teleport, i'm getting like 250 armor and 300 ward every time i teleport. also unexciting.

[hard basalt]

I'm looking at the idol options for flame reave and man they're all so boring

feels like the only good stuff is the weaver enchant

[errant sundial]

yeah i got +11 melee +11 spell on one

but I looove the aoe range prefixes

even if it's jank af

[hard basalt]

screnwide reave is pretty

[errant sundial]

i swap one out for throne of ambition for uber, but having extra range is even useful for that fight.

i got the big aoe idols to try out for memes, and then decided i never want to go back.

and its the reason i dont want to play the max roll version. i'd have to give up these idols for fire aura 🤮

[short vessel]

this season i have realised tombs are pog and cemetaries are cringe, but unfortunately i'm gonna be grinding cemetaries of the erased for the next little bit cos i really need to hit an idol enchant

[willow sentinel]

Idols enchant are such a chore

It never feels good to farm them

[velvet night]

how do i get corruption guid say need kil somthing call shade but no ide wher i can find it

[south moat]

It's towards the endges of the echo web
So just keep going 1 direction and you'll find it.

Not very useful in normal monoliths.

You can also get more corruption if you kill the mono boss first and get Gaze of Orobyss, killing the shade consumes up to 4 of those to give more corruption

[velvet night]

oki thanks gone give it a try got bunch prophy who need it but had no ide how get some

[south moat]

The in game guide also explains corruption

[velvet night]

it only say need to kill shade and only find em in monmlit (and ther is nod in weave tree who says sprawn so thoung maby that but sime kind wried)

[severe socket]

Same as with pretty much everything else, I believe.

[willow sentinel]

Oo

Nothing feels good to farm in the game?

If that's the case it's time to take a break

[severe socket]

I mean RNG does tend to screw people over. 🙂

And there's a bit too many layers of it so far.

It's fun early to mid game, but late game it becomes a f---ing nightmare.

Lucky to get a unique your build needs? Lucky to get rolls high enough on its affixes? Lucky to get enough LP for it to be passable? Lucky to get a suitable exalted item to source? Lucky to get rolls high enough on affixes there? Lucky to slam exactly what you want? F--- YOU SAYS CORRUPTION.

[steel mesa]

don't get me started on idol enchantments and attempting to craft good set items

[willow sentinel]

Honestly unless you strive for double/triple t7 on rare items, it's not that tedious

I slamed a few 3lp Palarus with 1t7, got a nice corruption

Sure I could have waited for a double t7

[severe socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Speaking of rare items...

What the f is supposed to be the target build for "Scissor of Atropos"?

Is that supposed to be a melee build that exploits something like Blade Shield?

And again, PHYSICAL FREAKING DAMAGE PIGEONHOLE

FFS, EHG, I thought you went away from that long ago?

Why stick to that still?

[steel mesa]

I've never seen anyone use it for anything except it's generic melee stats lol

[severe socket]

Efreakingxactly.

[rancid pulsar]

kismet payoff is simply not there as it stands

melee generator throw spender isn't supported enough and even if it was you just get crit chance and a bit of flat

[ionic vale]

mastery recost being the amount it costs just makes zero sense man wth.

and can we please get a rule ignorning shift right click into stash tab

[steel mesa]

yeah the respec cost is a bit crazy

[willow sentinel]

Isn't kismeth used in the Shadow Rend Recall UB bs?

[steel mesa]

I never bothered looking at the gear for it because uber one shots are annoying but that's cool if it is

[willow sentinel]

Yeah I wish EHG would break its leg

[viral halo]

uhm... sry to bother

are "balls" or "dead" or "destroy" words, that hinder you to post inside the feedback area?
i triple read my whole text and cannot find a single harsh word or anything else in there...
is there a list with "blocked" words or so?

length would be something, that discord itself would tell you, but i cannot find a reason, why my text doesn't go through...

Can CAPSLOCK be the problem?

[willow sentinel]

Can you post it here?

[viral halo]

no

[viral halo]

should i hand it over to you? I could try PM you...maybe i overlooked something?!

for testing?^^

Its an auto message saying, that there are some contents, that are blocked from the server...
I wrote much more direct feedback in the past, iam wondering, why this won't go through 😅

[willow sentinel]

Sure

[viral halo]

case closed ! 😁

[novel rampart]

Trust me I tried posting a clan advertisement in server share and I had the same issue. Trust me they won’t change it. I already brought it up to them that their auto mod is super strong. I couldn’t even type the word “ but “ lmao

[night marten]

and yet you did here...so that must not be the issue

[viral halo]

Really hadn't any issues till now, maybe there is a word combo that doesn't go through.

It is not a big deal for me, everything went fine before 🙂

[night marten]

and just cuz you think its too strong, doesnt mean that they are under some obligation to change it

[novel rampart]

Yeah it’s super weird. I had to re write the whole thing, write one word, click edit, spell another word click edit, I really got to see the word combos that weren’t allowed and it was bad XD

[proper fog]

it is but it's not

[novel rampart]

I never begged you to change it o had asked before, maybe twice. Yet I could care less if you guys did change it or not. I made a slight suggestion of it doesn’t happen not my problem. Go get some sleep you seem very touchy this morning.

[night marten]

riiiight

[warm hazel]

Hey folks, late to the party, would like to get a hand getting to late game, anyone available to powerlevel?

Just to be clear, I don't yet have a char, would create to get pleveled 🙂

[night marten]

use #👥┃lfg if you are lookin for grouping

[primal abyss]

Good day