💬┃general

[frank bramble]

From 12k echoes I did in 1.3 I got like 15-20 natural double t7 item drops and you think it's a correct amount? If you want us all to play CoF just say it for God's sake

[outer tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3KFJ2b0Vw0
This one was nerfed pretty sure. Most likely the regular version is a bit weakened, but it works

[low cradle]

Veil of night affecting throwing is crazy

is that another falconier buff?

[tidal fiber]

so what class got buffed the most

[low cradle]

blade dancer by a mile

it's not even close.

[frank bramble]

Buff? Well we are gonna need those for every class if 2t7-3t7 items are about to become extinct

Or close to extinction

[fathom hatch]

gg

[low cradle]

Nightblade: +10% chance on hit to inflict Shadow Daggers per point, doubled if the Bladestorm is inside a Smoke Bomb. Max 4 points. "Bladestorm wont be nerfed it'll just be better." XD

[still cove]

I fell your pain brotha

[vocal sonnet]

holy notes

[vivid portal]

How was imprinting nerfed? Having trouble finding details in the notes

[maiden sky]

Honestly I’m not all that shocked.

I hoped they wouldn’t nerf party play to the ground. The BEST part of LE.

But at least now we won’t care they didn’t fix the social stuff. 😂😅

[frank bramble]

Can't fix it? Just remove it xD

[vocal sonnet]

Wait they nerfed imprinting? xD

oh no

[prime cliff]

Imprint item nodes drop items 50% less frequently.
Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to have multiple exalted affixes.
Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to be very rare unique items.

[frank bramble]

Every aspect of them

[night marten]

the rate was cut in half and a reduced rate to give multiple exalt affixes

[frank bramble]

We're back to beta boys

[vivid portal]

Oh okay I mean… it still works. It was definitely way too strong

[low cradle]

oooh that's interesting. shadow rend has a lot of build paths/builds it sockets into.

[fathom hatch]

cant wait to slam a 755 on my 3lp item

[low cradle]

They put a lot of effort into making sure rogue didn't have just one synergy path

[boreal gust]

Imagine getting 2 red rings as MG...

[vocal sonnet]

Lol they basically deleted enigma for mage

[steel mesa]

ya rip mage

[vocal sonnet]

Mage had 1 build xD

[frank bramble]

They just don't give a shit about MG and the 1.4 patch is another proof of it, number of t7 affixes for search? What number if it's always going to be ONE

[low cradle]

holy spell blade

[steel mesa]

LB was carried by that item so mage is gonna be pretty depressing

[low cradle]

lets go spell blade

spell on spell on spell on spell when attacking

[frank bramble]

Mission impossible, even Tom Cruise can't save this tragedy

[low cradle]

fire aura firebrand XDDDD its gonan be a real build this time for real i promise.

[night marten]

sus

[fair wing]

#JusticForShammon Kappa

[low cradle]

“40% of added melee damage on weapons is also gained as added Spell Damage of that type”.
pure melee spellblade is deadge :S

i dont mind but god damn you didn't have to murder ti like that.

[zealous siren]

totally agree with what youre saying. target farming double exalteds is gona become extremely difficult i guess...

[vocal sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[low cradle]

I don't know if it'll kill uber but abby but it'd defiently be fine as a season starter

[vocal sonnet]

well seems as they slapped mage back to warpath I guess, old reliable

[frank bramble]

Yeah if the devs actually PLAYED in MG they would have any insight but yeah, better to just spit the nerfs out without any longer consideration or plain talk to some really dedicated MG players

[low cradle]

Idunno a lot of this communities takes feel like the whole "If you needed the power you didn't deserve it." moments.

[stable shoal]

Nice good job ehg in f up your game screw the imprints for the cof guys good job guys

[low cradle]

weird crash out

[frank bramble]

I think you wanted to say for everyone xD

[stable shoal]

Now basically we get screwed hard mg still has trade but us yeah run a million more troves for way worse results

[night marten]

wait so one player is complaining about imprints for mg, and another is complaining for cof.

almost like its just a nerf in general and its not aimed at one one group of players

[frank bramble]

At least your guild is gonna be relevant after the first two months

[zealous siren]

they were talking about other aquisition methods previously.. but honestly how many are there to target farm specific double T7 items?

[stable shoal]

Oh and you want your triple exalted ring which already doesn't imprint good enough cause cof does nothing for that to give me what 1 t7 exalts nice

[frank bramble]

None

That's the point

[zealous siren]

right

[vocal sonnet]

im confused is mg bad or is cof bad

[stable shoal]

Mg is massively ahead of cof

[night marten]

everything is bad because nerf always = bad

[low cradle]

why do you need double t7 items?

[stable shoal]

Cause at least they can trade effectively

[tawny furnace]

this should tell you that the other methods are too weak ¿probably? It depends on how rare you want stuff to be but this was in no way shape or form something that casual players did, so something that was already pretty hardcore being made much harder makes very little sense, maybe buff the unused methods so they are in player's radar instead of nerfing the viable one.

[stable shoal]

Cof can't do anything like that

[vocal sonnet]

I mean in a power creep fantasy game nerfs do indeed feel bad

[frank bramble]

Yes, the white knight will always protect his king no matter what he does right?

[night marten]

yes but sometimes necessary

[vernal hornet]

No one needs them, but this is the Internet. Gotta complain about something.

[vocal sonnet]

by that you mean anything good is traded at unobtainable gold prices day 3 xD

[low cradle]

lol i insult people all the time i'm an unbiased jester in this court.

[frank bramble]

This nerf could've been applied with much less power

[zealous siren]

and even with imprints its not easy to get an item crafted the way you wana have it... its still a process, but now? wihtout imprints? idk man

[night marten]

nah i just dont constantly hold pitchforks

[lost elk]

Imo target farming double T7s was unhealthy for the game in the first place. The imprint loop was not an exciting prospect for me

[frank bramble]

And then devs would see how it goes

[stable shoal]

You can make money if you sell stuff when there is 5 people playing sure its hard

[vocal sonnet]

to be fair gear progression is the only point of this game, if your saying its ok that its basically impossible to get past lp1 legendaries then whats the point

[night marten]

chat you know better, no name calling. be nice

[low cradle]

ok

[frank bramble]

All I'm saying is that this imprint nerf is so fkin overpowered, it should've been 10-25% not FIFTY

[low cradle]

Like imprints are such a specific subgroup of the playerbase to care about them though like

[flat pagoda]

this

[tawny furnace]

their answer to the problem also makes 0 sense, saying oh we nerf this one method because other methods were not being used means the other methods need a buff if the only method that work was already super hard to use and the other methods were simple too much.

[vocal sonnet]

I wouldnt mind if the progress is super rng based, you have to find a lp2/3 , it has to roll good, you have to find a double t7 item, it has to get the stats you want, you have to then slam them together and hope you get what you want. Repeat

[low cradle]

I'm pretty sure only 1% of the playerbae even makes it imprints being relevant

[frank bramble]

But nooo gotta learn from the famous GGG that shits out the nerfs like madmen

[flat pagoda]

it's 50% + MUCH LOWER

[vernal hornet]

I dunno. I had fun for 6k hours in PoE, and continue to have fun after several hundred hours in LE. I just like playing the game. If I want double t7 dopamine hits I'll go buy MtG collector boosters.

I know everyone plays for different reasons though. I just like seeing a build do it's thing.

[low cradle]

Let alone like the small group of end gamers who liked printing the exact same item over and over again

Iunno feels pretty anti-thetical to an arpg

[tawny furnace]

the solution for this is discourage that behavior not kill the only way to get those items

[low cradle]

no

sometimes something needs to be nerfed.

[frank bramble]

Pure cinema

[low cradle]

Shadow dagger spamming umbral blades needed to be nerfed so blade dancer could have power elsewhere

Basic design logic. You can't just add and add and add

or rogue will become op

[frank bramble]

And they say clown emojis aren't allowed after setting up a complete CIRCUS

[tawny furnace]

yes, but this was not something most ppl interacted with, you need to nerf when everything is working as intended and 1 method is too good, that is fine, this is something different, they are nerfing the only available method, making a huge grind even bigger without any altenrative method

[crystal jolt]

TBH end game was already really grindy with a tonne of rng, now nerfed imprints and still julra to finally mess with you when you get that perfect 3t7 lol. what a joke.

I still have a items I cant slam because i cant get the exalts because the forging end game items is terrible and full of RNG

[frank bramble]

Guess who supplied the market in late season with those rare items you are talking about so late starters even have a CHANCE to wear such things? Oh right you have no clue

[zealous siren]

i can only guess that they gona have to backtrack from that

[low cradle]

I play CoF because i'm not bad at the game

🙂

[frank bramble]

Hahahah oh no, NOT BAD I haven't heard a weaker response in YEARS

[flat pagoda]

this change will affect CoF even more

[low cradle]

Oh absolutely.

I also don't care

You have to just accept rng is rng at some point.

[frank bramble]

Well if you stop playing after 2-4 weeks from the beginning of a season then ofc you won't care

[low cradle]

if there's a means to delete any and all rng why even have it.

[tawny furnace]

do you think obtaining those items were too easy? or those items should not be obtained at all?

[vocal sonnet]

I mean I agree with a nerf but a smaller nerf would of been better

[frank bramble]

Fkin hilarious

[signal mica]

From what I seen many do leave after the first month.

[low cradle]

Absolutely yes.

[tawny furnace]

why tho? do you feel it was too easy to get them?

[signal mica]

Like to see updates as the season goes along

[tawny furnace]

wich one is it? both?

[steel mesa]

people leave almost every arpg league after a month, this isn't isolated to LE

[night marten]

this is most ARPG's. esp when others are releasing within the same month.

[signal mica]

Yes

[low cradle]

I'm not a no lifer I'm a full time college student playing on weekends and i can get an absurd amount of items to play with and get mod combos that shouldn't be obtained.

[vocal sonnet]

I feel like most people are done within a week

[low cradle]

The games itemization is way too eays rn

[vernal hornet]

Yeah but Podaj and their clique no-life the game so this is devastating to them

[vocal sonnet]

A nerf to weaver and a buff to other sources would of been nice

[tawny furnace]

yep 100%

[frank bramble]

Oh and the retention after a month will be even lower thanks to those nerfs

[frank bramble]

Oh right because we love LE and not playing 15 games at a time?

[crystal jolt]

end game 3LP gear slamming with 3t7 isnt easy. 2LP 2t7 is easy

[vocal sonnet]

Most people are gonna hit that 1lp wall where it takes them a long time to even attempt to get a lp2 piece of gear and quit

[frank bramble]

Does it hurt you so much?

[low cradle]

Actually it's been pretty much proven lower drop rates increase retention across multiple games

and since LE is a sliding scale and there is no complete

it can only go up from this

Whether you think it's ethical or not.

[steel mesa]

Just look at Keepers league for PoE, retention was horrible because good loot was too easy to get even before endgame

[tawny furnace]

i think they should give more options to farm but this was a system that ponly a very small % of players even interacted with and the issue to me is those players did not have any other option, it was never that this was too strong, it was just the only way, i dont think making those things even harder to get make the game any better

[frank bramble]

Ethical? Who are you to think something is ethical or not?

[low cradle]

That's the point?

[steel mesa]

I do think they went overboard on the nerfs though

[vocal sonnet]

Im mad they slapped mage, what did mage do

[austere totem]

the supporter packs look hella good

[low cradle]

Iunno spellblade definetly dind't get slapped

[flat pagoda]

what you say is true, but only if the progress is reachable. wording the change with 50% less often and MUCH less at the same time does not sound like they want something to be reachable

[austere totem]

as a vk rive main i might end up getting fractured legend 🤞

[steel mesa]

They were obviously mad uber abby became a pushover tbh

[vocal sonnet]

But when I play a mage, I want to be a mage. If it wanted to play melee and proc stuff i'd play literally any melee

[tawny furnace]

that is a very very big minimization about the issues with that particular league, the best poe league have been were item crafting was good and powerful items were made, its just that only having good items is not enough

[autumn ore]

Hey guys, so, Woven Legend and Primal Legend Supporter packs, are those going to dissapear on March 26th?

[flat pagoda]

lets be honest gearing 1lp in every gear slot takes a day / two

[night marten]

with the amount of power creep in this patch i couldnt disagree more

[low cradle]

1/3rd of mages want to play melee and proc stuff.

[flat pagoda]

gearing 2lp with 2t7 takes one-two weeks of 8-10h / play (from scratch)

[vocal sonnet]

slander

[maiden sky]

Anybody know of another good PARTY PLAY arpg out there???

[night marten]

just woven. the packs stay for two seasons

[maiden sky]

🤣🤣

[steel mesa]

I don't really see that, I see a lot of nerfs

[autumn ore]

I see! Thank you Eagles 🙂

[brazen mica]

i don't like this stats so it's false, runemaster for the win

[boreal gust]

In MG now it's impossible

[hearty ferry]

more non lifers flooding the concurrent player count and amking it stable for more time due to lower drop rates doesn't mean there is more players playing since 100000 players playing for 2h daily will show less concurrent than 20000 playing for 8h nonlifing

[night marten]

and the addition of idol layouts, and 3slot idols getting 4slot affixes, idol affix buffs cuz of the idol altars, extra affixes cuz of corruption

[flat pagoda]

if 2lp takes longer than 2 weeks to fully gear, no one will chase it

[vocal sonnet]

well depends how much you play, for most people its prob a few days and now the gearing to 2lp is gonna take like a month maybe

[flat pagoda]

exactly, its way too long

[austere totem]

wait fractured legend pack is only 60???

[night marten]

their big pack, which includes all 4 packs, has always been 60

[austere totem]

I thought it was priced similar to poe packs

[fathom hatch]

atleast now you dont need to chase a 2lp redring cause thers no exalted rings to slam on it

[austere totem]

I see

[vernal hornet]

Always been 60 for legend

[tawny furnace]

a month for 2lp is kinda disrespectful for everyone's time, i dont know if they simply dont want ppl to get up to 3-4lp or what?

[night marten]

nah, not even close. insane value tbh. which might be why they have money issues...but thats a them problem

[signal mica]

Really hope they focus more on multiplayer in the future updates.

[austere totem]

like turn LE into D4 open world multiplayer?

[vocal sonnet]

4 was always meant to be aspiritational, like if you get a 4lp item you've won the lottery level of luck, 3 was for super sweats who put 300 hours in a month, 2 was usually were most semi causal players ended up

[night marten]

THAT is actually a point of contention at EHG. mike has talked about wanting to limit certain uniques from even having the possibility of rolling 3/4 lp. cuz if its 1/1000000000000 chance, why does it exist at all

[low cradle]

Interestingly thinking about it.

[signal mica]

Heck no

[low cradle]

Weavers nerfs may actually buff some items if they're imprinted.

[vocal sonnet]

may as well keep the chase items, theres no downside too having them

[vernal hornet]

Actually makes sense

[austere totem]

I actually like it. I like showing off my builds to randoms

[low cradle]

Because they're giga common anyways

[boreal gust]

There will not be 0lp red rings on MG.

[low cradle]

think specific base type imprint you need to slam a set on

[signal mica]

More like Diablo II

[night marten]

yeah, im just saying its a conversation that is/has/had happened

there are reasons for both tbh

[low cradle]

@night marten I'm haveing a brain fart. How did you get t7 set affixes again?

[night marten]

havoc rune

[south marsh]

How far have we gotten in the "this sucks why did you do that" rabbit hole

[night marten]

or i guess now also corruption rune

but that seems like an insane chance

[tawny furnace]

then dont make the items like that? like its fine if they want to remove power from certain items, but if they exist and you expect players to get them then you should not expect them to play foreverto get one of them, this game plays in seasons you can afford to let players get powerful in a reasonable amount of time, if you dont want that then remove the item or posibility all together

[signal mica]

I just want to play in 5 days. Been forever

[night marten]

yeah, again, im just saying that the devs have had/is having that conversation. idk where they are leaning. but there is definately a case for both to be made

mike has talked about it like the last 3 devs streams

cuz of questions

[tawny furnace]

yeah its the best argument in favor of the change but its half done if that is the intention

[vocal sonnet]

every arpg needs chase items

[night marten]

idk if that was their intention.

afaik, with what kain had said earlier, they felt imprinting was too strong and overshadowed other acquisition methods

[south marsh]

I wanna play tomorrow but the staff won't push forward the release of the patch smh

[night marten]

why would you patch on a weekend..that is terrible

[signal mica]

Lol

[vocal sonnet]

they nerf the imprinting and buff other ways, they only seemed to do one

[tawny furnace]

yeah that argument is really bad tho, if other aquisitions methods are too weak to be viable you dont nerf the one that is working at a decent pace, you buff the rest.

[night marten]

it'd definately be worth a #feedback after season starts

[signal mica]

End of the world March 25th... my luck

[vocal sonnet]

but its too late then

[autumn briar]

further to this, can you confirm that you are meant to be able to gain 48 corruption for killing a confluence with 4 gazes? I thought it was meant to be a catchup mechanic for alts, not an alternate way (easier) of pushing corruption on your main character

[vocal sonnet]

maybe they could reduce the nerf a bit and then next season nerf it more while buffing others

[night marten]

yeah but their opinion is that imprints were too strong...and the others were fine? with their actions.

now you can disagree with that for sure...but based on their actions thats their opinion

[boreal gust]

Fixes are a problem because It mean there's something that needs to be fixed

[low cradle]

I think the problem was that once you had imprints you kind of stopped caring about the base way of farming it.

That seems....wrong

[night marten]

and because way too many of arpg players are minmaxers...if its not the super duper best, its not worth doing.

[tawny furnace]

yeah i mean i do disagree because its super disrespectful if they intend me to get to 4lp to expect that much time out of me, if they dont intend me to get 4lp then remove it from the game

[south marsh]

Jeezus?

[night marten]

i would only argue that i dont think they intend for you to have a 4lp...and definately not a 4t7 on that 4lp

which then brings us back to the why exist at all

[exotic solar]

no marksman passive vhanges

?

[tawny furnace]

exaclty like this feels as an incomplete measure

[south marsh]

Why would they change marksman heartseeker is broken

[untold bloom]

They really like lightning in this game 😂

[vocal sonnet]

so does every arpg

[night marten]

its bright and flashy and players like bright and flashy

[vocal sonnet]

other elements are too normal xD

[south marsh]

Zeus approves this message

[boreal gust]

And causes seizures

[vocal sonnet]

like if someone throws fire at me im gonna pull out a pan and start cooking

[south marsh]

I think ur gonna get cooked before w/e is in the pan

[signal mica]

Sorry bee a bother, I tried looking for queen bee, any ideas? I found nothing.

[south marsh]

Bee happy

[signal mica]

Full of joy!

Just wondering what the heck the queen does

[boreal gust]

Bzzzz

[south marsh]

Either she spawns more bees or she nukes things I'm more inclined to summons tho

[vernal hornet]

Increases attack speed and damage of bees and periodically drops royal jelly which is a renamed potion like Beer.

I have no idea

[signal mica]

I was thinking frenzy or something for normal bees

When she is hit?

Some sort of swarm

[vernal hornet]

I dunno but Apiarists set could finally be what gets my gf to play.

She loves bees so I can be like "listen... Bees."

[south marsh]

It would be cool if bees lost HP on hit cuz their real life counterparts die when they sting

[signal mica]

Bees are just awesome and honey is so good

[south marsh]

Honey is the only form of sugar I can take irl

I quit all other sugar so my life is tasteless

[signal mica]

Love it in my tea and coffee

Yeah I'm cutting sugar but do love dark chocolate

[broken otter]

Patch notes looked so amazing, I was thinking of coming back until I saw imprint changes, as a CoF player nerfing that by 50% made me chance my mind

[signal mica]

I love how EHG has done minions

[broken otter]

🥲

[south marsh]

Ppl are really going mad over something so small

[coarse swallow]

I'm currently bringing this up to the team for discussion. I don't have any more info on this beyond that yet, sorry.

[crystal jolt]

it doesnt happen, the chance of redemption is way to low with 4 affixs( i have 4t7s and farmed them)

[south marsh]

My experience with minions is only limited to necro

[signal mica]

Why not try and see how it goes?

[crystal jolt]

i play legacy, and only thing left for me to do is troves for imprints and uber......

[signal mica]

Mostly the same did do a bear last season primalist but have barely touched most builds

[low cradle]

why not play something other than legacy?

[signal mica]

If thats what you do! Cool

[broken otter]

It is a pretty straight forward nerf and it already had you farming for weeks

[south marsh]

I've had with the bomber Necro tho it's quite the spectacle

[crystal jolt]

because im not playing seasonal to lose all my progression.

[low cradle]

ok than you run out of things to do since it's effectivelly a single player game this way.

justl ike every other single player game.

[signal mica]

Yeah I don't play lots so doesnt really mean much to me I guess

[crystal jolt]

not really a bunch of people play legacy now in group and it's fun.

[broken otter]

Its a significant nerf to anyone in CoF at endgame

[crystal jolt]

im deep deep end game and it is a huge nerf.

[low cradle]

ok but like that's designed to be the stable slower progression but long term mode. IF you're progressing too fast for it maybe it's not for you.

Like there's no good way to say this.

That's a you problem.

[crystal jolt]

ever trying slamming an ulra rare 3t7 exalt to an ultra rare 3LP? it is ultra slow.

[broken otter]

Even a bigger nerf for legacy players I guess

[south marsh]

I'm never probably gonna do that I make 2-3 characters and then dip till next season like a normal person

[vernal hornet]

Chasing the dragon never ends, so luckily you can play forever If that's your goal

[broken otter]

😂 😭

[low cradle]

I mean again most players legacy is for the imprint system wasn't even relevant

[broken otter]

No clue, personally my community go between games each season

But Last Epoch hasn't pulled us back yet

Close this time tho

[crystal jolt]

there isnt much left to do in legacy TBH, I like minmaxin characters even at stupid low chances but this makes it even worse.

[low cradle]

People will say it's not but most people who play legacy are like. 2 full time job people who can't complete a season in a season

and that's ok

[crystal jolt]

it's just a huge nerf.

[broken otter]

Yeah I only have one full time 😂

[blazing terrace]

Hype week doesnt include weekend?

[south marsh]

The real hype is watching ppl mald

[low cradle]

What i'm nicely trying to say is the game can't cater to specifically you cous. If it's screwing everything else up the fact that your very small subsection of the playerbase of hyper end game legacy gets screwed over a bit in terms of meaningful progression. Doesn't matter that much.

[broken otter]

All the patchnotes brought the hype for the weekend, then killed it with imprint news

[south moat]

No

[blazing terrace]

Ah yes patch notes. For some reason they didnt show up on My channel

[crystal jolt]

it messes with casuals also in seasonal who have little time making it more rare.

[low cradle]

I like marksman more than blade dancer i'm not throwing a tiffy because ALL of the focus was on blade dancer. I can accept that blade dancer needed it WAY more.

[blazing terrace]

What imprint news

[low cradle]

even if marksman is now even weaker compared to the other two

[solemn tusk]

It seems that reducing the rejection rate in printing is very disappointing, as it has become even more difficult than it already was.

[low cradle]

because it can't use the throwing dusk shrouds/on hit healing.

[south marsh]

Lower drops and harder to min/max basically sweat killers

[broken otter]

50% nerf basically

[solemn tusk]

It seems I won't be participating in season 4 because of this. Thanks EHG.

[zealous siren]

i dont think its the 50% thats bad, its probably the "much less" thats worse

[low cradle]

@solemn tusk see you season 5

[south marsh]

See you never is probably more accurate

[low cradle]

ok see you season 5

[south moat]

Frankly I don't care about the imprint nerfs

[south marsh]

Me neither

[short vessel]

Did they just forget about minions with the corruption affixes?

[blazing terrace]

Making this game harder aint a Bad thing.

[short vessel]

There's like none

[low cradle]

attributes

defenses

[short vessel]

Even on weapons i mean

[low cradle]

minion nweapon ones would be awkward.

[broken otter]

It's all in combination

[low cradle]

imagine rolling it as a non minion character.

[broken otter]

Imprint item nodes drop items 50% less frequently.
Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to have multiple exalted affixes.
Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to be very rare unique items.

[low cradle]

where minion characters still get cast speed/attack speed/character damage stat thats relevant

[south marsh]

Go to the feedback channel and complain

[short vessel]

Not necessarily?

[low cradle]

No

but again

you can't what about

at the cost of every non minion build.

[broken otter]

I dont expect them to listen anyway, they seemed determined about the change

[mortal finch]

anyone starting to theorycraft marksman yet?

[south marsh]

So you basically cry about it but u can't actually do the basic thing to fix it

[broken otter]

Yepp

Just venting, crying

[signal mica]

Wondering what discussions are like in the forum threads

[night marten]

same or worse than here

echo chambers and all that

[lusty glade]

How many months did it take to nerf gear, skills and even farming now ? And buff enemies, which is fine tho, but nerf both Woven system and spawn rate of Rift beasts is dog shit. Isnt the point of game to farm and progress, especially with corruption mechanics which will brick lots of items in process.

[broken otter]

Others already left the feedback and the response was "it skips progression", dont feel worth leaving feedback to a response like that, apart from just crying

[signal mica]

🤣

[south marsh]

Feedback channel is your place to complain

[night marten]

if nerfs is all you saw, you read about 5% of the patch notes

[broken otter]

The nerfs was so bad they over wrote 95% of the buffs

[lusty glade]

I read the entire thing, don't worry.

[night marten]

yeah you dont need to have all the insults there

[vernal hornet]

And yet they felt necessary

[rare dune]

any theories on bee build?

[signal mica]

Right

[south marsh]

Buzz to the max

[vernal hornet]

Highest BPS (Bees per second) in the game.

[lusty glade]

The changes are necessary, but some are very contradictory, say you make a new system that either bricks or makes ur items perfect. Then you nerf the drop rate. We don't want 3t7s but even getting 2 and getting a good legendary was kinda hard.

[coarse swallow]

I got up to 51 bees at a time during internal testing. It's a lot of bees.

[south marsh]

That's alot of bees

[lusty glade]

And also I'm not complaining I'm here to discuss.

[rare dune]

I noticed in gif that with idol altar you can potentionaly equip 4 bee idols

+bee relic

so around 50 bees could be doable?

[night marten]

i mean kain just said he hit over 50...so yes i would say its doable

[vernal hornet]

Confirmed by Kain

[stable shoal]

Solo cof its way way worse now so idk how its that balanced in their eyes

[broken otter]

Good luck

[rare dune]

uber abberoth stung to death by bees...

gonna be peak gaming

[coarse swallow]

I 100% expect bees to take ubberoth in Season 4

[night marten]

didnt that already happen?

[vernal hornet]

Lol. Bees meta confirmed

[rare dune]

I was wondering maybe poison bees?

DoTs

[tame rune]

Looking forward to all the honey..

[south marsh]

Rogue got all the changes but in the end bees

[coarse swallow]

I mean, I did with internal testing, but internal testing is like who's line is it anyways. Everything's made up and the points don't matter.

[vernal hornet]

But if we go Primalist, do we get dogs wolves that shoot bees out of their mouths when they bark?

[rare dune]

with druid tree for poison chance to minnions

[night marten]

nah i thought a player did it last season?

[coarse swallow]

I remember someone made a really solid attempt, I don't remember a kill actually happening. Normal Abby yes.

[rare dune]

what does queen bee do?

[gray dagger]

does anyone know why cosmetics would start acting weird when I enable/disable my VPN? like I have my VPN on 24/7, and just split tunnel apps that act weird with it. but with LE, it's pretty laggy with my VPN on, and when I try to split tunnel (exclude) LE from the VPN, I just can't equip cosmetics. is this something to do with my traffic (in relation to the cosmetics) being flagged/blocked on EHG's side? just trying to figure out what (if anything) I can do about this

[south moat]

Her beest

[rare dune]

what build did kain do with bees? primalist?

[carmine arch]

Game isn't for casuals anymore.

[rare dune]

go away 😄

[coarse swallow]

Druid

[night marten]

thats a support issue

!support

[rancid basalt]

Need a hand? Just head on down to https://support.lastepoch.com/ for support articles or to reach out to us directly.

[gray dagger]

fair, just figured I'd drop it in here before I bugged the support team about it lol

[rare dune]

bees are considered minnions right

[coarse swallow]

yes. They scale with attunement

[night marten]

nah, all good. thats just way too indepth for the discord. lol

[austere yew]

What is my option afte day 1 1lp slams now? 1 in 40-80 corrupting affix pool? After a 1 in3 t5 slam? Or be in Conq jail untill triple t7?

[vernal hornet]

Bees are only our minions until the Queen is summoned... Then they are her minions, and the queen answers to no one.

[steep river]

Yes

[rare dune]

hm, too bad you can't put set affixes on legendaries

[gray dagger]

gotcha gotcha, I'll put in a support ticket then
appreciate you sending me the right way

[rare dune]

still no idea what queen does other than her beest

[vernal hornet]

That is all we are allowed to know. It is beyond our station to understand her royal duties and obligations.

For the hive, we do not question, we only serve.

[night marten]

the queen bee page on letools has some skills it does, i think

[rare dune]

can you tell smth that will spoil some info, kupo?

[coarse swallow]

Questioning royalty? Sounds like someone needs a beheading.

[vernal hornet]

Lol how would I know anything?

I'm just a drone

[night marten]

bee*heading. c'mon it was right there

[boreal gust]

more like questioning your balance choices.

[south marsh]

You mean beeheading

[signal mica]

Put me in the guillotine!

[coarse swallow]

I saw it after, but felt it was too much to edit it back =p

[sharp hedge]

bought the most expensive supporter pack, was 27 dollars for me lol

[rare dune]

too bad I can't put bee set on reflect armour

[coarse swallow]

But, what does the queen do? hmmm, I'd say the queen lifts.

[south marsh]

Jacked queen

[vernal hornet]

A rising hive supports all drones 👌

[steep river]

LE Tools has some info, she's got a Bee Explosion skill and two Scratch skills https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/queen_bee

[south marsh]

Bomberbees

I'm interested

If you have 50 bees that are exploded

[vernal hornet]

Honestly exploding bees kind of fits how bees destroy themselves to protect the queen, so if she grants that to bees while she's out

[stable shoal]

How cares about conquered 3t7 now you getting 1t7 from imprints rofl ,for real as a guy who grinded a ton this is so bad

[vernal hornet]

It makes a lot of sense.

[rare dune]

necromancer getting 35 ward per bee exploded

and sacrificing bees

[night marten]

wait...acolyte sacrifice bees

[south marsh]

Necro already has the bomber spec

[rare dune]

but not bees!

[sharp hedge]

build planner is updated with the new stuff from the patch notes?

[austere yew]

I read it as we now need triple in order to get double >.>

[stable shoal]

Much reduced hard to tell will have to wait for frozen or dominis to datamine but for cof already keeping the t7 was bad before since cof does nothing for it like any of our ranks doesn't benefit exalt imprint just the uniques

[south marsh]

Honeybomb necro

[night marten]

most of it. there are a couple things missing last i checked. but most is there and usable

[boreal gust]

at least in CoF you can target farm stuff with improved drops, but in MG imprinting is the only source.

[sharp hedge]

sweet

time to cook up a build

[steep river]

Yes, but there's a note "Please note that not all calculations in the build planner are updated yet. More updates will be rolled out within the next several days."

The new Skills like Shadow Rend are in there now

[stable shoal]

You can't exalts and most of your imprints are that even for uniques prophecy are worse than imprint

[boreal gust]

do you know how do you get a red ring in MG?

[stable shoal]

You buy it

[lusty glade]

I can say I'm impresed with bug fix part of patch notes. Props on that part.

[boreal gust]

one that has been previously imprinted

[signal mica]

Would always love more uniques 🙂

[stable shoal]

No you have so many people playing that you will see red rings getting sold

Now when mg is dead sure it will be bad

But for us its bad always at the end is bad for both party's so its not like omg cof much worse than mg and vice versa but mg is a lot better extra now before its dead

[boreal gust]

Do you know how hard it is to farm a red ring in CoF? Dropping one without buffs in MG is many times worse. I never seen a single red ring natural drop in MG. So someone has to drop an almost impossible drop first, imprint it and sell that imprint

99% of red rings in MG come from imprinting

[stable shoal]

My guy i have 2400 hours playing this game i know what trade does and allows because many more people play at lower odds or whatever is still a lot more people playing

[primal island]

so what do we think about the patch notes boys?

[stable shoal]

Now when its dead good luck

[boreal gust]

that has nothing to do with I just said about getting a red ring in MG.

[south moat]

Oh, queen bee is huge

[signal mica]

Many months have gone by... I am thankful. Good work.

[steep river]

This change seems fun, now you could clear more on echoes that have a reward you're interested in. Instead of just rushing every echo objective and leaving.

The Echo specific reward now scales with how much of the Echo’s bonus stability you gathered, indicated by three pips on the bonus stability bar that light up once you have enough bonus stability. Each of these pips increases the tier of the chest and the amount of rewards you get from it
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-shattered-omens-patch-notes/80571/7#general-monolith-changes-3

[primal island]

does that scale the echo specific reward or just the generic box reward?

[blazing terrace]

Im kinda exited on all the little tweaks on fire aura 😄

[willow sentinel]

Its going to be beautiful

[dreamy kindle]

Hype ❤️

[blazing terrace]

Just trying to think a way to combine focus with mana guide and fire aura :DDD

[steep river]

Both! Because they've been merged.

The Echo reward rock and reward chest have been merged. The chest is now in the center close to where the rock was, and contains the Echo specific rewards, in addition to a few piles of gold.

[willow sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-hype-hype-train-train-zach-braff-gif-17276201

[hallow mist]

so does chatgpt play the game for you now or do the devs just use it to come up with ways to exploit the player base

[night marten]

neither of those things happen

[south moat]

Nah he said it's happening so clearly it is

[signal mica]

Sounds like a black mirror episode

[vocal sonnet]

cant you not buy a red ring in mg?

[boreal gust]

you buy one that has been previously imprinted

[vocal sonnet]

oof

[silent pivot]

50% less imprint procs just means 50% less of the available loot for both factions will come from imprints

people were getting red rings before imprints existed and will continue to do so after a 50% nerf

they're also buffing other loot sources

[boreal gust]

And that for every time the same ring has been imprinted, because with an almost impossible drop like that, you are buying an imprint of an imprint of an imprint of an imprint of an imprint of an imprint of an imprint of an imprint .....

[boreal gust]

No other loot sources in MG.

[willow sentinel]

Very excited by the loot caches buffs

[silent pivot]

you're acting like loot doesn't exist outside of imprints which is just not true, at all lol

[low cradle]

Loot caches?

It's been so long I forgot what those were.

[boreal gust]

Do you ever farmed a red ring with CoF? Getting a natural drop is almost impossible so most of red rings come from imprints of imprints

[silent pivot]

yes I have in fact farmed red rings

[grave knoll]

Holy CRAP they killed the thorns build ._.

[silent pivot]

I had a red ring before imprints even existed as a mechanic

[boreal gust]

It's hard on CoF with all buffs. With MG is way harder.

[boreal gust]

Probably with different drop chances

[silent pivot]

you do realize people were getting like 50+ red rings right

[boreal gust]

I didn't get a single one last season.

[silent pivot]

play more then? they can still drop even with no faction and no imprints

[vernal hornet]

Stone of Jordan Red Ring of Atlaria was linked pretty regularly in chat even before imprints were a thing.

People were finding them

[boreal gust]

I've played like 700 hours last season. Want me to play more?

People were finding them probably with better drop chances because imprinting weren't a thing

[ancient surge]

RRA is not a thing I have ever used myself. Even dropped one season 2, egg'd it into a brick with 2 affixes.

[boreal gust]

Red rings is just an example.

[silent pivot]

I can assure you that people will still be selling red rings in merchants guild even after the imprint nerf, because again, they were doing so before imprints existed as a mechanic

less does not mean zero

[boreal gust]

I can assure you the price of them will be many times higher

[vernal hornet]

The horror

Having to pay a price commensurate with the cost associated with procuring a product? Anarchy.

[boreal gust]

Which is way higher times the cost of the previous season.

[vernal hornet]

Better get farming then

[boreal gust]

Better delete MG then.

[silent pivot]

farm some valuable idols and sell those, congrats now you can afford a red ring

[vernal hornet]

I run CoF, so yeah that's fine

[boreal gust]

Imagine if everyone farms valuable idols to afford a red ring. Those idols will become not valuable.

[silent pivot]

whatever man, if you want to be a doomer that's on you

[vernal hornet]

better be faster then

[silent pivot]

go CoF if you really think it's that bad

[boreal gust]

And we get to the moment when someone calls doomer when there's no argument. W/e, I'm not changing anything anyway

[silent pivot]

it's not like red rings are build enabling in the first place

they're a luxury item with generic stats

[boreal gust]

Red rings are an example.

[vernal hornet]

I mean show me where they're wrong though. All you're doing is saying that MG is ending, no one will have RRA, what's the point etc. That's textbook doomer-ing.

[boreal gust]

If we all know that then there's no point saying it, is it?

[ancient surge]

Wasn't RRA the actual rarest random drop unique?

[silent pivot]

imprints being worse nerfs everyone, not just MG; and even if you think it nerfs MG more.. good? MG was stronger than CoF precisely because of imprints

[south moat]

yes

[short vessel]

Ravs is

[boreal gust]

Next patch there will be quite rare drops with lp2, in example.

[south moat]

Or apparently no

[short vessel]

If only considering random drop sources

[boreal gust]

Random drop sources are the sources of MG.

[short vessel]

I'm talking about how you can farm ravs from husk of gaspar

[hazy kraken]

Rip Chuck Norris 😢 worst day ever

[short vessel]

Which can make it more common

Depending on what corruption you can do it at

[snow vigil]

Chuck Norris and Inprint the same day !

[boreal gust]

wut?

[short vessel]

Yeah, ravenous void both drops from random sources and as a boss item from husk of gaspar

[boreal gust]

That' doesn't happen for every item

[short vessel]

Correct

It's a unique thing to ravs

[boreal gust]

I've got 10 tabs of worldsplitters and didn't drop a single lp2

[grave knoll]

Can we not make corrupted items on Letools yet?

[night marten]

over at the far right side

[grave knoll]

I guess its just not on idols yet?
Wanted to make idols with Bees Per 10 Seconds 😛

[boreal gust]

Are we calling it BPS? 😛

[night marten]

seems to exist for me

[ancient surge]

How many did you nemmy egg? (the world splitters)

[night marten]

make sure you have the right size idols

[boreal gust]

yes (5 tabs of them)

[ancient surge]

I ask because I did VK season 2 and I never kept track, but I think I had about a dozen 2 LP of that axe, lots of bricks, but did end up with a decent one by the end of it all. Power of CoF, though.

[tiny bane]

are unique armors actually appearing on the body like they look on the item card?

[ancient surge]

Double-checked, yeah, I managed to hit the armor shred (t5) back then after several attempts.

[night marten]

on some, yes. they are behind (and have always been behind) on the armor cuz it takes 5x as long to make the animations for 5 characters

[ancient surge]

I recall I bricked a double T7 exalt trying too. T7 armor shred with T7 melee void.

[tiny bane]

Yeah.. Just curious.. I've been with the game since lagon was the end boss, so ... been waiting awhile for stuff like this. And yeah... stuff like this do matter to me. 😉

[boreal gust]

!giveaway

woops wrong channel

[night marten]

it matters to alot of people, its just a time issue

[frosty ridge]

shadow rend at lvl 3 seems absurd or is it just me?

[simple jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/double-dragon-eyebrows-peoples-eyebrow-robert-patrick-t1000-gif-18855389

[night marten]

why would it be absurd?

[cobalt fable]

lets goo @night marten

[low cradle]

So BD has access to easy healing now?

Or not yet

[granite flower]

BD has access to a great leech node for melee and DoT

from season 3

[low cradle]

huh?

what'd they change in season 3 (Sorry ignored that class because it was bad)

[granite flower]

Blood dance gives 1% melee leech and 0.5% dot leech per point

5 points max

[simple jolt]

shasow rend just seems like a better warslash, which i def am going to try out

[low cradle]

Oh so it got healing it just wasn't any good at dealing damage besides throwing 😛

[low cradle]

20 mana cost is a big deal

[simple jolt]

eh i'm used to using 0 cost mana gain on rogues

[granite flower]

yeah kinda, throwing shadow cascade or shadow daggers, rest was underwhelming

[outer mauve]

are the new uniques and set items listed in the patch notes or am I just blind?

clicking on it in the index just takes you to a line of text

[jaunty moth]

Am I the only one to have frequent freezes when playing (online) necro with lots of pets on some mono maps ?

[simple jolt]

you can find them on lastepochtools.com

[granite flower]

yeah forum thread aint great to read items and nodes, the fact that dammitt can already have an updated database is kinda goated

[simple jolt]

i'll probably go bladeshield and bladestorm as league starter, bladeshield stacking and "shotgunning" is going to be huge i'm thinking

[night marten]

the build sites had an early datamine build to pull stuff from

so they could be ready on launch

[granite flower]

yeah that was already the case in past updates and is REALLY nice to be able to get right into theorycrafting

[granite flower]

tbf bladestorm moving like crazy cause of movespeed nodes with shuriken orbiting might be really fun

[fair wing]

the map overlay change is so good

[viral halo]

Hey there! i got something nice to add to one of my observations some weeks/months ago....

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2727411454?t=1h30m10s

The current live stream with mike and justin... do you remember it? xD
There you have it.... mike downed, gets targeted by the fire circle....😂 ♥️

We had quite some discussion about it, with a mod too i guess.^^

[brittle jay]

so they finally did it, they kill it falconer

[umbral plume]

Lmao the imprint nerfs

What was the issue with people enjoying singleplayer experience?

[granite flower]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-l36kU80xPf0ojG0Erg

[umbral plume]

Sometimes I really wonder why devs hate that people enjoy the game

[viral halo]

it killed the general item hunt, it made item factions irrelevant at some point because imprints was king for everything and farming the best of the best multiple times an hour, is broken.....

It was the right decision for the longterm game

[umbral plume]

Lol, doubt that, but I guess we will see based on player numbers few days into the league

Guarantee you the player dropoff will be twice as high as it was last league

[viral halo]

these won't be because of that alone...

every healthy mind knew it was overdue

[rancid shore]

hi

[umbral plume]

I strongly disagree, only reason I was able to play 4-5 weeks every league is because it was not pain to actually make builds

[light radish]

It's still not a pain. It takes few hours to get into emp monos.

[low cradle]

someone genuinely saying bear is too weak to mike

holy

[vocal sonnet]

yes you get 1lp gear day 1 and then it takes a month to get lp2 gear

[viral halo]

if thats your opinion, its fine... 🙂
At a certain point, in my eyes... it is stupid to just perma print items like hell, always getting 1-4 red rings a day with just moderate time invest makes the item system completely broken.
It just ruins the whole item system.

It will still be possible, its not gone.... but a heavy reduce in that frequency was necessary.
But ofc i do understand people, that just wanted that kind of playstyle...

[low cradle]

what happens if you have spinning shurikens but your shadows cast them?

[umbral plume]

Alright I will give you a solution thats 10 more sane and reasonable - only nerf it for Bazaar players and leave COF alone?

[low cradle]

do they all orbit the main rogue

not copy the behavior

or what happens

[granite flower]

it should orbit the "copy" that just disappeared

[granite flower]

nvm they dont orbit they are thrown as normal shuriken

[viral halo]

you sound a bit like the system is gone....
It was just brought down to reality a bit. What have you done before the imprints?
Seems a bit like the game suddenly got unfun for you^^

[turbid silo]

What a week

What a HYPE week

[granite flower]

from the shadow location

[low cradle]

Indeed

[granite flower]

meh no shuriken orbiting bladestorm then :/

[umbral plume]

It did, I did not enjoy the seasons as much before the imprinting was added, them having nerfed them with COF for no reason whatsoever is just stupid

[low cradle]

so shadows can't drop bladestorms right?

[umbral plume]

I 100% understand nerfing imprinting with Bazaar

[granite flower]

not anymore from my understanding

[umbral plume]

But why should I have less fun playing basically singleplayer?

[low cradle]

iunno

[simple jolt]

iirc they shoot out one single shuriken each

[low cradle]

because single player is actually better for item drops come end game? which is when imprints matter

[low cradle]

I'm trying to make dancing strieks shift shurikens work

[umbral plume]

Kalandrafication of LE

[low cradle]

need a 5th skill

smokescreen is foruth for obvious reaosns

[umbral plume]

When GGG actually makes a step forward, buffing drops, EHG is nerfing them for SP players

Make it make sense

[muted cape]

mike getting owned by the new uber boss haha

call it abbyneedsmoredamage

[granite flower]

could be shadow cascade can be speced for throwing or melee damage depending on what you go for and be proced from shift and dancing strikes

[low cradle]

Yeah that's a good idea. Especially since it scales with attack speed while triggered which also scales the rate its procd

[granite flower]

if shift is speced for procing shadow cascade and shurikens it will only use shadow cascade from shadow tho, shurikens are only for you

[low cradle]

this is preferred

[granite flower]

haven't tried for dancing strike proccing both i dont have a dancing strike character arround

[low cradle]

That one doesn't matter smoke screens to buff the razer blades sorrounding mes bleed chance.

[willow sentinel]

Do you have all the teasers from stream? Pretty please

[fair wing]

good try guys. you will get him next time

[heady night]

wait there were teasers season 5 or something?

[willow sentinel]

There was a video of the queen bee

[heady night]

oh okay

[willow sentinel]

And at least smth else. I didn't really watch the stream

I was cooking my fire Aura

[night marten]

bee queen is bumblebear. new organization of woven echoes. video of fire shadow cascade

[strange umbra]

Skeletal Mage Death Knights go brrrrr

Can't wait

Am excite

[vocal sonnet]

gonna have to wait to see if a CC is gonna save mage for me

because both the builds i wanted to go got slapped so im kinda sad

[modest burrow]

any staff know if u can double corrupt items?

or just 1 time?

[strange umbra]

Once with the exception of the new ring

Which you can corrupt as many times as you want until you either stop or you brick

[modest burrow]

ok

ty

[cobalt fable]

i will play warpath sentinel for the third time

[vocal sonnet]

it got nerfe fyi

[cobalt fable]

but they didnt nerf me

[raw salmon]

Whoah, that’s a fun yolo stat stick

[inner finch]

And you can have it with LP

so slam then corrupt

They should have just called it the ring of table smashing

[raw salmon]

@strange umbra is the brick % chance posted anywhere?

[simple bison]

Nope

Also please ask things like that in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs instead of pinging devs

[grave knoll]

So does the purple areas on the new idol altars do? ._.

[inner finch]

When you have an Idol Altar equipped, you will find new Refracted Idol slots with a purple background, which grant unique bonuses to Idols in those slots.

[signal mica]

Forged weapons with bees? Sounds cool

[storm hamlet]

Does profane oblation get converted to different damage types if you take the Pyromancers or Frost Lich nodes?

[night marten]

I dont think so...but you should ask down in #💀┃acolyte they have more specialized knowledge

[vocal sonnet]

im a bit concerned the the corrupt pools being so big, its a lot of risk only to get random corrupts that dont do anything do you

[inner finch]

This is sort of the wildcard part in item corrupting system

You have a pyramid of deterministic affixes in each item you get

from crafting on them regularly, to slamming

[vocal sonnet]

isnt the risk of corrupting meant to be you can lose the item altogther

[inner finch]

yes

[robust hinge]

anyone cooking any cool meteor builds with new changes?👀

[night marten]

Im sure someone is

[stable shoal]

So corruption you can get t1 to t7 of any said affix right

[inner finch]

FrozenSentinel will probably do a Bhole meteor thing

[robust hinge]

Ah, I love the B-hole myself

[ornate siren]

Remember your NOT obligated to corrupt ur item

Plus u almost never corrupt your best gear unless u have multiple identical pieces … you normally corrupt your 2nd best piece of gear.. high risk higher reward

[stable shoal]

You corrupt 1 lp item,2 lp that you already have slammed and hav multiple copies you can ,even then its so bad the rng of corruption,it even has tier of affixes like thats bad

[vocal sonnet]

feels like you just dont corrupt until your in full lp2 gear

[stable shoal]

Oh yeah you want mana increase on chest piece its 75 choices for corruption and also it becomes t1 corruption and you wanted t7 you have to again go through all that grind again 🤣

[vocal sonnet]

meteor looks cool, clear could be decent with the mega aoe just depends in the single can keep up

[pearl sandal]

I think the main thing people need to learn with corruption and similar mechanics in other games: its designed to not be something you can just expect to get what you want from

[vocal sonnet]

no but it seems like a lot of risk currently

rewwards dont match the risks

[inner finch]

#bholeboys

[vocal sonnet]

plus with how annoying its going to be to get copies on similar strength gear

[stable shoal]

In other games you corruption either you get something or not ,its bricked here you also have those bricks while adding a ton of extra rng cause again example 75 corruption on chest piece and many are useless or not needed,the worst part for me is that if I hit said corruption why does it need to have tiers it doesn't in other games

T1 corr intelligence nice ty

Already had to beat the odds massively to get right affix

And now is a t1 affix

[vocal sonnet]

yeah corruptions should be t5 min

[stable shoal]

It incentives 1 lp items way way more since you gotta jungle all this bad rng they included when in this game rng is already bad

[stable shoal]

Yes at aleast

Or make it t6 and t7 you get one of those not huge difference there t5 is half power but is a minimun

Its the stuff that just tells me the QA or testing is not extensive at all looking at the patchnotes and now this reveals shows that flaw

[coarse nexus]

Feels like people are looking at corruption with the same benchmarks as other farming steps. For me it's clearly something that's higher risk lower reward and I like that. I want to have steps I can decide to stop at. Ok this char has 1 affix exalts, 2, uniques, LP , and so on. And now the corrupts. It's for when you really want to push the very top end.

[vital sage]

Heya folks. Am I understanding this new item correctly?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AJwVgLEA

The item it's based on gives your bees DoT immunity.

The reforged prefix appears to give your character DoT immunity.

Am I missing something?

[stable shoal]

The higher risk is not the problem people just dont get it its the amount of extra rng that you have to go through none of the bad rng we have it was addressed ,as a matter of fact got even worse with the imprint nerfs

Corruption has effects on items you want most time to add affix yeah if I am doing mana stacking I dont care about 74 other affix that corr can give me I need that one,now let's say after a while I get lucky it can still roll t1 mana increase affix which makes no sense since I already had to go through such amount of rng

Or you gonna tell me its same in other arpgs

[night marten]

I would assume there was an issue with the datamining or the build or something and the original bees dont take dot dmg is correct. Wouldnt make sense to jump from minions to character like that

[vital sage]

@stark canopy probably just a limitation of how these skills are displayed but maybe something to look at 🙏

[night marten]

there were some other things missing like the frost claw meteor node that was teased

So its not a perfect thing yet

[stark canopy]

It's not in the build, so there's that

[stark canopy]

Fix will be rolled out shortly

[night marten]

That seems like a really big thing for EHG to be missing in a build after they teased it 😅

[stark canopy]

There's some weird thing regarding it, it's visible in the game (that's what I'm told), but it's not in skill tree prefab for some reason, so it's not picked up by the parser.

Maybe in the next build it will be fixed.

[zenith pewter]

i saw the queen bee on stream and holy xD

[wet heron]

how's the new season looking?

[simple bison]

Reception seems good from what I'm seeing on the trailer and patch notes

[runic crater]

Hear me out...

Board with multiple corrupt idols... 3x 1x3.

14% Ghostflame reduces cost. Max 120% effect of idols with Primal Relic and a GG board affix. Run 3 of those idols...

30.8% per idol, 92.4% reduced cost for Ghostflame. Infinite Ghostflame + Fire Aura of Decay?!?! Back on the menu?

[dull topaz]

Most of the season looks good - the imprint nerf was uncalled for and absolutely junk due to how many imprints you need per successful craft at 77+

[lucid herald]

have you considered that imprints were overcentralising the loot chase to such an extent that it was unhealthy for the game? because that was the problem and why they were nerfed. now you need to rely on other ways to obtain items a little more

[dull topaz]

Unhealthy for the game? What does that even mean, if you're MG you can just buy them. If you're CoF you chase them, its part of the fun, running troves etc but having say 30 imprints drop and then maybe 2-3 of them actually being craftable because of the low FP that imprints generally produce and the high rolls of havocs etc. Imprint drop rate wasn't a problem

It is now.

[frank bramble]

God forbid the game has a deterministic way of getting an item!

No no we need a gazillion of RNG layers

[dull topaz]

Now they're putting more LP on some items that you wont be able to get those juicy slams on, loveeee that

Then theres the whole "higher corruption yields "MORE" exalted" tell that to my boy running 100k corruption and not really seeing anything worth picking up, lmao

[frank bramble]

This so much but our friend Kit probably doesn't know a champion even on 50k corruption drops a bunch of useless t7s

[lucid herald]

I only ever play cof, and I played a lot less of season 2 because imprints let me basically finish my character incredibly fast

[dull topaz]

May I see your finished char from S2 if I may be so bold as to ask

[lucid herald]

The fun in LE for me is the loot chase and while I think imprints are a cool mechanic I don't think they should basically be the only way to make gear upgrades

[frank bramble]

Oh the only way? I agree with you on that one but are there any other ways?

We had one option, now we have fkin NONE

[dull topaz]

Cos I mean the guy doing 100k is still chasing slams for some of his items, same char since day one and we're about to tick over how many months for a new league? lol

[errant lance]

Global testorone levels dropped overnight

17%

[dull topaz]

Spelling apparently increased though

[dense hazel]

My reward after reaching 100k was 1lp siphon lol

[frank bramble]

What, aren't you happy?

[dull topaz]

Imagine talking about testosterone levels in an online lobby full of online gamers, wild - we're all the pinnacle of ruggered manly men lol

[frank bramble]

You'll own a 1lp siphon and you'll be happy

[simple bison]

The bonuses corruption yields are logarithmic, past 1k corruption the bonus per corruption drops dramatically

[dull topaz]

I think you mean "non existent"

[frank bramble]

Which is another cinema

[dense hazel]

At least it was well rolled haha

[frank bramble]

Harder content = less rewards

[simple bison]

Well no

It's still more rewarding, the difference is just lower per corruption

[frank bramble]

Worded it wrong

[short vessel]

as a super lategame farmer my issue is that now what's the options for going beyond single T7 on a gear slot.

either you do an even crazier grind than before for double exalt, or you spam corruptions on single t7 items and hope to hit very specific affixes on a hyper random mechanic

those aren't good options

[frank bramble]

Harder content = no worthy reward in fact since corruption brings nothing to the table except for the difficulty

[simple bison]

The fact that we were ever able to grind those things are power creep in of itself and isn't necessarily a good thing

Just because something can exist doesn't necessarily mean you should be able to acquire it

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah then get a beta client, enjoy your t6 slams all over the place

And then tell me if you liked it

[simple bison]

I did

[dull topaz]

Siphon ring area 100 non corrupted LP3 0.4226% 1 in 237 Siphone ring area 100 with 100k corruption LP3 0.6332% 1 in 158 lol insane

[simple bison]

I've played the game since 0.8

[frank bramble]

I did too

From 0.8

And i hated the gear progression

[simple bison]

I would still enjoy it today, I still personally think itemization in LE was in its best state in 0.9.2

[dull topaz]

Maybe things shouldn't exist in the game if they're not wanting people to actually achieve having them

[frank bramble]

Without havocs and reds? Oh no thank you

[lucid herald]

I think this is probably true, or whichever patch added the temporal sanctum in general

[frank bramble]

Praying for 2 weeks to get a single t7 frost claw relic, jesus what a shitshow it was back then

[simple bison]

I think havocs and redemptions are a good addition for the record, but they don't make up for some of the negatives that were added along the way imo. I'm hopeful that will change in season 5 with the faction changes though

[lucid herald]

To be fair I actually enjoy prophecies which is an uncommon opinion I know

[dull topaz]

i didnt play 0.92 but google says normal abby came in 1.1 - so makes sense as you increase harder stuff the power creep should go up, you bring in a 3rd pinnable boss and you absolutely savage exalted items

[frank bramble]

If they really wanted us to give up on imprints then the t7 drop rate should increase by 50% along with the imprints nerf

For both factions

[short vessel]

yeah imprints are still one of your most powerful farming options

[lucid herald]

I think if COF had a rare prophecy type that one of your random imprints, that would be a cool way to bridge the gap

[simple bison]

Well the new pinnacle boss isn't harder than stuff we already have

[lucid herald]

And it would make up for the nerf to random imprint drops

[simple bison]

We're also still getting a lot of new power from idol altars, omen idols and corruption

[lucid herald]

yeah the idol altars are a lot of power

[frank bramble]

Oh of course cuz only CoF deserves the power in this game

[simple bison]

If you're trying to say we'll be weaker in S4 than we were in S3 I don't think I'll be convinced

[frank bramble]

MG can just shove their characters up their ass with their double t7 drop every 500+ echoes

[dull topaz]

Cyborg no way weaker

but also a lot of players love chasing imprints, LP3s and more and hitting 777 slams

it's crazy to just nuke that major feature so fricking hard

50% is massive, it's almost as bad as explosive traps lol

[frank bramble]

The nerf to imprints should've been applied but not a fkin 50% axe, simple as that

[simple bison]

I think we're just really biased towards opposite sides of this coin honestly. I've said multiple times in the past I'd be for an imprint nerf

[dull topaz]

https://imgur.com/a/FO8QGns here's a 777 brick session

it took 7 solid days to get those daggers, 8-10 hours a day

[simple bison]

Yeah I mean maybe the nerf is too much, that I'm not arguing. But personally I do think it deserves a nerf

I don't actually know if it's too much or not for the record. I'll reserve judgement for when I play with it for an extended period

[dull topaz]

yeah so learning from other games and maybe issues in the past - start with a small nerf and adjust if needed , sheesh.

its not just the 50% its this - Similar items dropped from imprint item nodes have a much lower chance to have multiple exalted affixes.

so if you do luck out and get 777 its now dropping 50% less and with a much lower chance to drop as a 777 in the first place

[frank bramble]

Instead of one 777 from a 777 imprint dropping every 15 maps it will drop once every 50 maps, ggwp

If a 777 even exists in 1.4

[dull topaz]

Can only laugh I ran out of tears earlier today

[frank bramble]

But yeah go buy our supporter packs

[dull topaz]

I just want that lil toucan you have tbh can you imprint it?

it'll drop just a beak no legs or wings

[frank bramble]

Just a corpse

[dull topaz]

in season 18

[short vessel]

i only went for double T7

[frank bramble]

GGG treatment in a game that has a fraction of players PoE has is a bold move indeed

[carmine arch]

so with the new corruption system.... are we going to want to use this seeing how we are unable to get as much good gear because the imprint system has been nerfed?

I know if I get lucky now I am going to want to hold onto that item for dear life

before I would so risk it

but now nah

[dull topaz]

Cookbook yeah a lot of my double 77 slams came off the back of a 777 imprint but now who knows how many T7 singles it's gonna be before you see some

[carmine arch]

forgotten system already lol

[frank bramble]

Exactly, we're cooked

[dull topaz]

The other issue being some builds require the slams and then other builds you can get away with much less sigh

[frank bramble]

Unless those echo chains give really good rewards

[dull topaz]

1800 hours I dont think I've ever seen a 77 from an echo without an imprint, not sure about prophecies either

[carmine arch]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[frank bramble]

Exactly lol

[frank bramble]

As I said earlier, in 12k echoes this season while in MG i got around 20 nat 77 drops so that averages one every 600 echoes

[dull topaz]

Oppaaaa

[carmine arch]

Atleast we got some new cool items I guess. I hope I am wrong but god damn if I am right in thinking this will be bad I am going to laugh at all the glazers who said this was going to be a great idea. I hope they corrupt and brick all of their rare items

[dull topaz]

I mean 600 echoes for a casual player is no dramaaaaa they only have their families, jobs and life to do

No doubt I'm still going to like this season from what I've seen but the imprint nerf was cringe and they should have started with 20% and "less" not "50% and much less"

[noble dune]

Classic, prejudge whether a season is fun based on nerfs that probably don't affect your fun. Triple T7 shouldn't have been so easy anyway.

[frank bramble]

So easy

No man I can't

[dull topaz]

just said Im going to like this season budddd 😄

[stable shoal]

Its triple nerf to imprint its god awful I would have started by one at most

[carmine arch]

I even said 25% just to test it out but 50 is just a big jump. I already barely felt it work most of the time. I probably will never see a 3lp titan heart again

[stable shoal]

Oh did you guys see

[frank bramble]

SO EASY, ho lee fuk

[noble dune]

Still not surprised to see people complaining about literal small shit in the grand scope and future of the game.

[dull topaz]

you'll see lp3 titans everywhere and you'll be able to slam with your 751 imprint lmao

[stable shoal]

Corr has like idk 75 outcomes in body chest and you also have them in tier affix so no t7 guarantee corr no no t1 can be so I can get a read ring with corr t1 intelligence or dex like rofl

[dull topaz]

Mythic if you think this is small you obviously play a different way than alot of other people

[noble dune]

Been playin for years. It's small.

[stable shoal]

Love how they had to make tiers for corr like corr its already big in rng

[dull topaz]

I didnt say how long you've played champ, lol

[frank bramble]

Pure PoE behavior

[stable shoal]

I can guarantee ehg did 0 QA this season

No way people where like hell yeah this is great

[frank bramble]

I'm not corrupting anything this season xD items too rare to obtain anyway

[carmine arch]

pump out the slop and send hur out boys

[carmine arch]

all the no life streamers probably for they play 24/7

[stable shoal]

Imagine you get 1 lp red ring mg

[noble dune]

Experience is what tells me this nerf is small in the big picture. And it was needed anyway.

[stable shoal]

Can't imprint that anymore

[waxen slate]

And what big picture is that?

[noble dune]

Some shit should be really rare.

[waxen slate]

Picasso?

[stable shoal]

And now you hit corr of the affix you want idk 1 in 40 affix and its t1 dex like wtf

[frank bramble]

Oh hello there 1lp enjoyer, take a seat

[carmine arch]

how often do you play a day? if it is over 8 hours I think you are not the person to ask for you are not the normal player

[frank bramble]

Actually don't

[dull topaz]

you realise the item you need the exalted for is the rare right? like 1 in 10000 and shit for some or way more

THEN you still have the RNG slam on multiple affixes to brick it

sure mate imprints should be rare, smh.

[stable shoal]

Casuals man literally know nothing about the game

[noble dune]

Still pales in comparison to POE.

[dull topaz]

Got my guarenteed lp1 slam, im gtg!

[noble dune]

Still be easy AF to clear all content

[frank bramble]

If we are supposed to farm 3 weeks for a 77 item then give us 100% slams at julra

[stable shoal]

Can't even understand why all of this is bad like sure jukra just gonna let you slam 2 lps however you want for corr

[simple bison]

Nah. Getting a 777 item in LE is pretty crazy even compared to poe

Difference is 777 items aren't something even the devs expect you to get

[stable shoal]

How it feels 1 t7 is all they want you to play

[dull topaz]

then dont have them

and ditch lp3

[noble dune]

PoE SSF anyway, good luck getting MB or a Lock etc

[dull topaz]

max lp2, max 77

[stable shoal]

So grab all those shattered worlds 1 lp and corrup them all forget about 2 lp slams,3 like just forget about them also 4 lps

[dull topaz]

dont just put some rank chance on it like lp4 red ring with 1 in 32 billion or whatever it is, it'll never drop - if something will never drop why even have it

[simple bison]

Not really? You can get a MB pretty consistently even ssf

Divination cards are op

Well. I'm not sure how it works now since they changed the atlas, if you can still target farm divinations then yeah

[noble dune]

Lol grind an apoth and then get lucky with div gamble? Ok

[short vessel]

so the problem is

[waxen slate]

They just catered everything to ppl that play for a month, wanna slam 1t7 1lp items and disappears until s5

[dull topaz]

Sure glad y'all trying to turn the LE lobby into a POE wan k fest

[short vessel]

getting a good T7 item is easy

that's no problem

[frank bramble]

Then go handicap yourself in PoE

[short vessel]

but what's the options available to go beyond that

[dull topaz]

Exactly.

[short vessel]

it's either do obscene amounts of imprint farming

or obscene rng corruption slamming

[dull topaz]

and saying "the devs dont expect you to ever have that" thats an insane statement

[stable shoal]

1 lp is guarantee so where is the excitement cause now after that ehg wants you to corrupt 65 affix on relic btw and you have to hit what you want from those

Like how come nobody thought about trimming affixes that are honestly kinda useless

[dull topaz]

play the lottery heres the top prize but the organisers are nerfing your odds because they dont expect you to ever win that

[waxen slate]

Or just have tier7

Don’t have 7 diff tiers

[short vessel]

fixed tier corruptions is one thing yeah

[stable shoal]

Like I would rather have idk some impressive affix than 30 poison and lightning ress

[short vessel]

that should absolutely have been a thing

[dull topaz]

different rarity corruption runes for the tiers maybe nah just 1 and done heres ya brick "item is unusable"

[stable shoal]

Thats the thing i cant defend this level of rng ,there is rng and there is bad rng ,ehg honestly feels like dont care about the players at all with this patchnotes

[simple bison]

Imo this is more an issue that corruption and the echo system in general kinda sucks. You should be able to improve your gear through all kinds of content, not just this one specific system. And while yeah it sucks that we're back to not having a way forward gearing wise until hopefully the expansion fixes it. I don't think they wanted imprints to cement themselves too much as the one and only way to get insane items

[stable shoal]

Tier affix on corruption like what is this

Poe 2 doesn't need affix tier you get corruption or you dont

Not thay complicated

[dull topaz]

100% get that 1 in 15k item, slam it with your 777... errr 7 and then corrupt it and hit that T1 chill lol

[simple bison]

Like at 100k corruption imo you should just be naturally dropping 777 items lol

[stable shoal]

Every season man more eng 0 deterministic crafting like when are they going to wake up

[simple bison]

But also nobody should get there in the first place

[stable shoal]

1.3 was okish but not good ,this doesn't look that good either its 7 months cooking this

[dull topaz]

Heck yes - for those who grind hard ( not me im a softy ) they def need more rewards it would make people want to go past 1000 more often

[simple bison]

Yep I agree

[dull topaz]

Then it shouldn't exist

[stable shoal]

At 5k you should also to be fair

[simple bison]

I don't disagree entirely

We'll see what they do with the corruption rework

[stable shoal]

If there is a guy at 30k corr that guy should get 3t7 natural drops often

[short vessel]

nah, i disagree, people shouldn't feel locked into playing "meta" builds because pushing corruption is too important

[dull topaz]

I mean it's fair @dense hazel is a psychopath but still, he's played for 7 months and worked his way there

[short vessel]

farming mechanics should take priority over higher numbers

[stable shoal]

So now people are thinking that new meta ist gonna be conquered tower spam like how is that better than troves

Its more boring in any case

Sweiton worked a lot he deserves whatever he got you aint force at all to do what he did

[simple bison]

If you're playing a subpar build doing subpar content why expect the same rewards, idk I disagree. Like my thing is builds that go to 100k shouldn't even exist. If it's inevitable that they do just cap corruption

[stable shoal]

I play at 2k and by doing conquered and doing group play I got 4t7 gear

[dull topaz]

We (me and friends) already lay down 100-150 towers at a time, run together to double the odds of 777 items and STILL many occassions don't come out with a single 77

[pearl sandal]

I dont think its insane... have you seen the %'s for LP4 on the top LP uniques? If you tell me that devs expect people to drop those then you are crazy. Just because its theoretically possible for a system to give out a specific item doesn't mean that the devs intended the item to exist

[simple bison]

Yep

[dull topaz]

plenty of LP4s floating around chief

[simple bison]

Not 4lp red rings

[dull topaz]

nope cos it doesnt exist lol

[simple bison]

4lp 0lpl items are common

[flat pagoda]

Nerfing imprints is locking people into meta builds. Non-meta, being equally fun, often require that 2nd or 3rd t7 affix…

[simple bison]

Well, in comparison to other things that is

[short vessel]

that's their point

[pearl sandal]

the LP system is built on vanishingly small percentages. It is "theoretically" possible for a 4 LP red ring to be dropped, its just not gonna happen lol

[simple bison]

4lp red rings can exist, but they're not meant to ever actually exist

[short vessel]

valid

[stable shoal]

For me the problem is that ehg doesn't want tou to get 3 lp items but 2 lp neither or what you are going to tell me you are going to corrupt all your shattered world or super rare uniques that you cant have many at all ,the answe is no

This patch is a casual 1 lp patch and thats it get 1 lp guarantee slams get corruption

[dull topaz]

like honestly if you watched videos of a game and it looked awesome and you saw these items shown and then you're about to buy it and see "yeah the items are awesome but the devs dont expect you to ever have one" - I wouldn't buy the game

[dull topaz]

supposedly

[simple bison]

When do they show a 4lp red ring

Or 777 item

[stable shoal]

Nice exactly what I want on a game that is 2 years old to go back in time instead of having gear progression

[simple bison]

Not supposedly, we know for a fact

[dull topaz]

"of a game" "with items" lol

[simple bison]

This isn't guesswork, it's datamined and confirmed

[dull topaz]

ok heres a question if one has never dropped how do you know it exists?

[pearl sandal]

remember the base point of the LP system, its to allow for varying power levels of unique items to exist with differing amounts of added affixes to make up for the item power

[dull topaz]

I mean - LP4: 1 in 331,894,034,128 seems like it should happen every season cough

[simple bison]

Because I know how lp works and know the exact odds of a 4lp red ring dropping. Thing is even if everyone on earth grinded imprints 24/7 for 100 years straight the odds of one dropping would still be low

[short vessel]

ngl

lp is kinda fine?

[dull topaz]

Lp is def fine

[stable shoal]

Oh 4 lp red rings exist in offline

[short vessel]

right now? like why are we talking about it

[dull topaz]

i was saying it was to someone else and got pushed into a tangent lol

[pearl sandal]

i would love to see how many red rings have been created in total over the entire life of the game

[simple bison]

It's just being used as an example of something being able to exist despite never being meant to actually exist

Like a 7777 item can drop

[short vessel]

"devs don't intend you to get X thing" is such a useless conversation to have

[simple bison]

But the devs don't intend for it to

[short vessel]

IMO

[dull topaz]

I have multiple 7777s at the moment

[short vessel]

devs didn't intend you to actually farm for specific slams at the start

[dull topaz]

if you can get an item with 4 slots and you have items with 7 tiers then you should expect them to exist

[simple bison]

Which might be why imprints are being nerfed

[stable shoal]

What imprint red rings was doing is that allows people to have access to 1 lps for corr now and to have 2 lps for slam red rings are nice but at a certain point gets old seing same slam forever,now as a cof I aint getting one ever

[short vessel]

they didn't get those through imprints tho lol

[simple bison]

I disagree

[dull topaz]

7777s are shit most of the time you will be lucky to even get 3 usefull ones, but using them to drop 777s is now gone, and 777s to drop 77s probably gone

so you disgree with their mechanic being in the game? ok - nice that we agree

[stable shoal]

I have a bunch of 4t7 and every other slot to 3t7 thats not the problem even like that do you know how hard its to get a 3 lp slam?

[mellow owl]

Weirdly enough I think it makes sense for imprints to be changed, just not nerfed 50%. I think they should redo the system and tie it into more varying gameplay features

[simple bison]

Yeah I don't disagree with that

[pearl sandal]

tbh I think 50% might not even have been enough, a complete rework would have been better but that takes time to actually achieve

[dull topaz]

Chasing things not meant to exist though, thats like a donkey in cement chasing a carrot on a stick

[muted cape]

Login.

[short vessel]

i think this whole conversation is just derailed into pointlessness.

the crux of the problem is that the farm to reach single T7 is not hard at all, but the farm to meaningfully go past single T7 is now absurd

[simple bison]

Here's the thing. I don't disagree that having a system where the "perfect item" or even close to it is so insanely rare that it statistically should never exist is a bad system. I think it's a recipe for disaster actually.

But that is the system currently in place

[short vessel]

this kills the enjoyment of super endgame farmers, and is why we're complaining

[dull topaz]

yeah I think when the data on players dropping off starts showing this season it'll probably be considerably higher, faster than before because you can no longer minmax its all midmid

still going to play and still going to enjoy it, just not part of it lol

[frank bramble]

Yes some of us will simply force themselves to play in false hopes of getting upgrades

[short vessel]

i'm prolly not gonna play, i'd likely play a bit despite this if the build i enjoy got something reasonably interesting (it unfortunately did not but that's just the way patches are)

[stable shoal]

There multiple problem with the nerfs cause it was 3 in 1 btw so ignore the unique nerf or the proc nerf,now the exalts are going to basically have less exalted affixes so basically my 3 t7 its going to give me 1t7 items mostly

Like I dont show 1 t7 items and I dont pick every 2 t7 ,loot in the ground dropped from mobs and boss is crap most of the time thats why imprints exist

[dull topaz]

I can tell you though if theres a bug that happens and it's exploitable I am not logging it this season, it's cashin time do your own work lol

[stable shoal]

Even though they are flawed at least sometimes I end up with stuff that has the affixed I need

[dull topaz]

oh that reminds me since patch notes brb enabling "show items with T5" on it hahaha

[simple bison]

Yeah I mean the way its set up kinda sucks imo. I think it should reasonably copy the item you have without making it better but also without making it too much worse, and instead of just having it be a giga casino every time it procs it should just scale proc rate dependant on the item

[stable shoal]

Have any at ehg or mod like tried to slam 3t7 items sometimes you go 8 times to julra for 1 piece btw getting each exalt is a pain cause cof imprint is same as mg so no benefit for exalts

[simple bison]

Like for example if you slot in a unique, just have the imprint always drop that unique but the proc rate scale with the rarity and lp of it

[stable shoal]

Yeah for uniques cof imprint is great but the unique aint the problem its the exalt

[simple bison]

Since the way it's set up right now especially with exalted items the best imprint is usually not even that similar to the item you actually want from it

[stable shoal]

Thats what ehg or whoever gives feedback doesn't get

Yeah but I can redemption havoc I can empty my ring get some useful and slam

Now I cant since rings already were a pain to farm

[short vessel]

look to be real i think complaining about triple T7 stuff is out of touch lol

[stable shoal]

It should just give you a copy of whatever you imprinted with those affixes thats the thing imprints are flawed they have problems they dont fix our issues but at least ease the grind a bit,now i feel like I got slapped in the face hard ,idk lost a lot of faith in ehg

[short vessel]

tbf i like that

i like that there's nuance to the system

[stable shoal]

Never give them crap for krafton or paid classes but this like we do not care about you the players likr nah

[simple bison]

I think for people who read into it it's cool but for the general audience it kinda sucks

[frank bramble]

They already messed with the imprints once back in the day and got a huge amount of people saying no to those changes, wonder how they behave now

[short vessel]

true

[simple bison]

It's not explained anywhere in the game how imprints actually work

And most people aren't gonna look up frozens video on it or something