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[idle torrent]

why even go through all this if u are just going to charge 2.99

like

[ancient dawn]

Make it part of the expansion and charge for that

[idle torrent]

who exactly are you targetting

yknow what i mean

like, yall def not pulling people from poe1 2

yall not puling the mobile players from torchlight

[normal hound]

A fair price would it being apart of the Expansion but if I had to pay for it seperately I'd pay like 10-15AUD

[idle torrent]

yall not pulling blizzard fans from d4

so what exactly is your audience?

refugees?

[ancient dawn]

I was hoping to rotate through all 3 games

[idle torrent]

i was rotating these 3 before i hear this shitter of an announcement

[ancient dawn]

Last le season was just a rewash of the one before it so lost interest

[idle torrent]

if yall are new to the space, taking losses for a few years in an attempt to lay a solid foundation in the arpg space is natural

but

yall got soooo greedy

[elder barn]

because 85% of their experimental decisions sucked ass and were different for the sake of being different instead of meaningfully solving core problems. They just repeated a bunch of mistakes PoE1 had already fixed over the years, because they themselves admitted they silo'd the team instead of having the PoE2 devs learn from the PoE1 devs. All the critique around it is 100% deserved and as usual the community will drag GGG kicking and screaming to their senses and out of their masochism trip.

but whatever

[ancient dawn]

Oh no the game was hard and different

[elder barn]

"hard" lmfao

[ancient dawn]

Well not hard

Harder

[south moat]

Turns out nobody wants to play a game when you suddenly nerf all player dmg by 70% and boost enemy hp by 8x + make them also deal more dmg

and also nerf drops

[elder barn]

the only words apt for it are "tedious" for the campaign part and "mindless" for hte endgame part where you're blasting screens repeatedly

hard my ass

[ancient dawn]

It's early access

Let them play

[elder barn]

anyway people will still play it because it's GGG and we know they fix stuff eventually

unlike EHG

who can't even fix one bug over 5 years

[ancient dawn]

At least le showed GGG how to in game trade

The foundation is there

[elder barn]

I have legit never seen a worse UI than LE's market. The ONE positive thing it brought about was that it made GGG open their eyes to the fact that players love trading QOL.

[normal hound]

The fouandation is there but they only expanded it on Season 2... Season 3 did nothing to further improve the end game loop

[ancient dawn]

Yeah I don't think I've pushed past 100 corruption coz I get bored

Start a new toon with different skills

[south moat]

I kinda wish the skills in LE had more weight to them
like if I hit something with a big hammer?
it just doesn't have a satisfying sound or feel to it

[normal hound]

I don't think corruption is the issue. I think its "journey" there that is. Season 2 was fun because it changed how you interact with the game. Season 3 added nothing but o farm for uniques that you use for specific builds.

[ancient dawn]

Think they nerfed the bass in one of the seasons. Noticed the sub less

How's that for a shit complaint 🤣🤣🤣

[south moat]

Also the echoes start getting way too repetitive which is when I usually make a new character

[normal hound]

Like when my favourite way to play is a Frost mellee spellblade, season 3 is just a pointless season to play. Not saying those Uniques shouldn't exist just that why should I play that content if its just for uniques I dont want to play wih

[ancient dawn]

Mixing up skill balances is a cheap way to mix things up

Force people to play something else

[normal hound]

I mean in that defense and logic PoE is repetitive and boring. But it's not, even PoE2s end game has a little more substance to it than LE does (IMO)

[ancient dawn]

But yeah you upset those who have a favourite thing

[normal hound]

Well yeah exactly and I mean that is a me problem because I don't really like diversifying my build and styl unless something catches my attention.

[elder barn]

there is a massive difference between CHOOSING to do one thing that you enjoy repeatedly from a plethora of options with the freedom to swap at any time, vs being FORCED to do one thing repeatedly whether you enjoy it or not because literally nothing else exists.

introducing paywalls before actually having content to play with is peak comedy

[south moat]

Yeah see, I don't get bored of the maps in PoE
They're different enough in the layouts and have enough different things to do
Also in LE i think the weaver side areas are too large, feels like it breaks the flow of the echo

[elder barn]

The best part is this game simply doesn't have enough slop-eaters who'll shovel out the cash for these clown decisions. So either they'll walk it back and do something better or they'll sink and be a solid example to the industry of what happens when you make idiot decisions. Good outcome either way.

[normal hound]

Yeah I agree. I personally think Season 1 and 2 had that momentum but they took like 9 months for season 2 and then season 3 was a massive let down and now we are waiting a little longer for season 4, the games been around for like what 5 years? They should have an idea by now how to release their content

[normal hound]

As for paywalls yeah even suggesting the idea that we have to pay even more for a currently unfinished game isn't exactly what the community wants to hear right now \

[normal hound]

Im going to have a take... I hope they stick to paid expansions and do away with the seasonal content. They should not to both. Oh and not have paid classes seperate add that to the expansion

[ancient dawn]

Seasons bring players back though because they're supposed to be more frequent

[elder barn]

if I put out my actual takes I will get banned so I guess I'll just go do other stuff lol

[ancient dawn]

Also helps them sell mtx

[normal hound]

Sell cosmetic packs then.

[elder barn]

as someone who bought MTX in 1.0, 1.2, and 1.3, I can tell you confidently that 90% of them are hot garbage

[south moat]

Would also help sell mtx if they made them for popular skills

[elder barn]

real shocker to me that it didn't make them money

[ancient dawn]

Yeah they were very meh

I bought some to be supportive

[south moat]

I got the capybara

[ancient dawn]

See that was a smart mtx

People love those things.... For reasons

Dogs... Cats

[normal hound]

I mean just look at Grimm Dawn. Its not a super popular games in terms of ARPG standards but they sell supporter packs (cosmetic only) they sell expansions with classes in them and they release free content and they are now making a third expansion and their community loves them \

[ancient dawn]

Things that make things go booms look better

[south moat]

Would've got the roomba cat but $60 for it? nah

[elder barn]

Grim Dawn was a very strong commercial success, in terms of profitability as well as player metrics

(I don't like it personally but the numbers are there)

[south moat]

Love me some Grim Dawn

[ancient dawn]

I played a little. Need to spend some more time

[normal hound]

I think my point is they need to stop just looking at live service and look at what other games outside of that market are doing

its doable just not as profitable

[ancient dawn]

All about the $$$ these days

[pearl orbit]

the irony is grim dawn gates every new class behind dlc

i think every arpg in the planet gates classes behind paywall apart from path of exile

partly because poe doesnt use classes lol

[normal hound]

Yeah I know thats my point and their community doesn't care because they love the game and think its a fair pay off

[ancient dawn]

Yeah but expansions

You get content of which a class is one

That's ok

[pearl orbit]

and thats different than LE giving you the expansion for free... how...?

[ancient dawn]

Because the class will be better than everything else in the game

Playing on people's fomo

[normal hound]

Im not complaining about that lol I was just pointing out a direction EHG can go down that has shown to work and have respect from their audience?

[ancient dawn]

Dark patterns. Watch Chris Wilsons video on it

[normal hound]

I think EHG should do paid expansions

[pearl orbit]

selling gameplay content is not a dark pattern

dark patterns are like loot boxes and time gating

i did watch it

[ancient dawn]

It's p2w

Playing on fomo

[pearl orbit]

based on your assumptions? you have literally zero data

[normal hound]

its only p2w because it is in a Live Service model.

[pearl orbit]

we all know nothing

[ancient dawn]

Lol

We know they want you to buy it

Why would you buy it if it's shit?

It will be op

They need to pay for the expansion somehow, this is it

[normal hound]

Also we don't really need data we have a big example of this already Diablo 4

[ancient dawn]

Diablo immortal

[normal hound]

Do you have to buy classes in that too (I havent played it)

[lavish urchin]

Then they shouldn't have relied on the community goodwill that their promises generated. Now it's pretty clear they have essentially no integrity

[ancient dawn]

Yeah it's the worst apparently

[pearl orbit]

yes clearly what EHG is planning is to add gem systems that will cost you $40,000 to max out. how the heck can you use D:I as an argument with a straight face lol

[ancient dawn]

You hope

[lavish urchin]

Why are you defending a company that's proven they're liars?

[ancient dawn]

Le pre investors

Now they have people who want profit

[normal hound]

No one is defending them here?

[ancient dawn]

You watch the streamers make awesome builds straight up driving sales of the new class

[lavish urchin]

This is a defense.

[pearl orbit]

im not emotionally attached to it at all. i played over 2k hours for my $35 and thats some of the best time for dollar value for exntertaintment ive ever spent. if the new conternt is worth the cost, ill buy it, if its not, i wont

[pearl orbit]

no it isnt, your rose tinted glasses make it seem like it is

[normal hound]

Oh I don't know know what that even is about... We were taling about classes not Gems

[normal hound]

Thats a fair take to have on it.

[lavish urchin]

Are you saying I'm positively biased towards the game and that's why I think it's a defense?

[pearl orbit]

buddy I dont really care

im not here to argue

[ancient dawn]

It's fair if you just release a paid expansion. Not released a half arsed expansion and charge for the true content. That's the issue. Not paying for more

Anyway

Flogging a dead horse

[lavish urchin]

Oh sure, you're way too cool. Just make sure you know what things mean before you try arguing a point next time.

[pearl orbit]

[normal hound]

you did say they see things through rose tinted glasses when the person wasn't even saying anything postive about it haha

Its pretty weird though literally no one here was defending EHGs decision

[lavish urchin]

It definitely came off like a "this isn't going to be a slippery slope" like every other game this happens in.

[normal hound]

Im tempted to cope a little a say it isn't but given how the industry is in general...

my jaded gamer brain refuses to let me

[lavish urchin]

It's not like they're going to be okay with making less money next quarter, year, etc.

I kind of expected them to just put out more cosmetics

[normal hound]

Yeah, but given the current hand we are being dealt as long as they finish the main story first before the Expansion then I'm cautiously optimistic

[lavish urchin]

Can you imagine how positively they'd be received if they'd just announced a new class instead? I'm not going to hold my breath, but I'm entirely willing to be shown that I'm wrong.

I don't think it'll be op, but if it's absolutely broken, I will laugh.

[normal hound]

Not really people will still be mad because of how buggy the current classes can be hah

[pearl orbit]

if past balance is any indicator every class will probably have busted builds. i dont have any reason to believe ehg is going to intentionally make a new class stronger than existing ones

[normal hound]

that doesn't matter. The moment the paid class is perceived to be more powerful people will be upset they have to pay for this new power

[pearl orbit]

maybe?

[normal hound]

whether or not you believe its p2w the general consesus is that it will be p2w

[pearl orbit]

its a pve game, im not really sure what "p2w" even means in this context to be honest. leaderboards arent something 99% of the community cares about already

if it was pvp it would be more obvious

[normal hound]

Race to kill Abberoth first or any new pinnacle/uber boss that may be released alongside the class or after it

[pearl orbit]

as if thats ever not going to a falconer player

[normal hound]

there is still a competativeness to the game without there being leaderboards or PvP

[simple sluice]

wish they fixed talents and skills that have been broken or useless for years

[normal hound]

but you dont have to pay extra for the falconer as stupidly op as it can be haha

[normal hound]

This too

[simple sluice]

but yeah, better to make new paid classes, guess I'll have to wait 4 more years to see current bugs fixed

[pearl orbit]

if falconer ends up being faster and stronger than new class, doesn't your entire argument fall apart

[normal hound]

And I'll be glad I had a bad take

[pearl orbit]

we don't know what the balance will be and its silly to paint these pictures when its so far out

[normal hound]

Yeah but the moment you say something is paid people jump to the worst case scenario. The game industry has left people so jaded you cant really blame them

[lavish urchin]

The same people working on this paid class are the people that could've been fixing the game.

It says something about their priorities that they deliberately chose to ignore existing content in favor of paid dlc

[brittle hollow]

paid dlc is a year out. they are expanding their dev team.. It stands to reason that they are not ignoring existing content... just throwing the logical argument out there for the world to see..

[simple sluice]

I've been playing this game for 3 years, I'm sure there are still some bugs from before I sstarted to play

[lavish urchin]

Fixing things doesn't make more money, after all. We already paid for the buggy, unfinished game.

[pearl orbit]

logically it improves player retention and for a live service game that means revenue. respectfully i think you're appealing to emotion more than logic

[simple sluice]

btw, have they finally fixed Jagged Veil?

[lavish urchin]

Hey, you might be right. Let's hope that's the case. Do you actually think that btw, or are you just playing devils advocate?

[brittle hollow]

Both.

They have been fixing bugs season after season, even if people tend to forget. They also have plans for 2 seasons before the expansion.. all the hiring they are doing means that 1) they are thinking long term and 2) they will be supporting their current teams…

There is 0 chance that all the current devs have finished season 4 AND Season 5 and are solely working on the paid dlc..

The question is how much they will fix before the paid classes.

[lavish urchin]

The problem is that they've shown that they're disingenuous already, but I can get the desire to be optimistic about a game you enjoy.

We'll see in a couple years how things have shaken out. Maybe we'll be back here in 2027 talking about how funny it is that I ever thought the game was on a downhill path from that announcement.

[simple sluice]

I've bought every support pack and have 1.5k hours on the game, if they managed to turn around the ship before it's too late I'll the the happiest here. Judging from what I've seen in the past I don't think it's likely but wee'll see

[pearl orbit]

I think this is like 95% of the outrage. What's gonna win in the long term is if the content is good and the game is worth your time and dollars. Not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. People will play whatever they find worth playing.

and no man's sky came back from 100x worse

[brittle hollow]

I mean it’s not a desire. From a development standpoint at least what I said is the truth…

Paid classes? I’m happier that it’s classes and not paid expansion personally. At least I have a choice… with an expansion I would have to buy it if I wanted to continue playing ( there’s always the option not to buy the expansion of course ). So to me, paid classes do not make a difference.

But I understand people who complain.

I’ll just play if I want to play and that’s it. But I’m probably your average LE enjoyer, having invested just the cost of the game and that’s it.

[lavish urchin]

If they hadn't lied, I'd be less inclined to think this was as big of an issue as I think it is.

But since they did, it means that you can't really take them at their word about any reassurance or past promises they have.

[brittle hollow]

Meh. Expect nothing from other people and you will be happier. Especially someone whose job is to… take your money.

[lavish urchin]

I'm cynical too, I just won't let that stop me from calling out bullshit when I see it. I'm not going to get worn down just because it's always happening

[empty sky]

I;'m just sayin i need a pet loot lizard to pick shards and gold for me... id be will ing to buy it in the shop

[elder barn]

I guess Krafton loves people like you

[wet valley]

I just want the game to be profitable so it doesnt shut down 🤷‍♂️

[empty sky]

Agreed, the need a bigger team and more content and cosmetics

i want to see them to win... this is one of my favorite games

[wet mauve]

I mean, theyre out of money.

[devout pawn]

Many of us knew the krafton purchase would spell doom for the game, the paid dlc and classes are just the confirmation. RIP Last Epoch it was fun while it lasted

[main frigate]

Judd will not give up to do that

[empty sky]

ill pay for the new class i dont mind it, but if they want to compete we need more content, this game has serious potential

[main frigate]

The biggest pity is EHG spoiled nothing about new contents... I'm hyped for what new contents will come to Poe 2 in December

[empty sky]

tbh i like this game more than poe 2

[main frigate]

No win. Both of them are bad and good at the same time

I hate xp penalty the most in Poe 2, and champions the most in le

[simple heart]

The problem is almost 3 years after release we still talk about the potential as if it was still in alpha.

It is a mirage.

[empty sky]

i agree but i dont want to give up on them... i dont know why they didnt hire more people with the launch of the game... they despratley need content, you can't sell what isnt there, what have they been doing since launch?

[main frigate]

well... The only person who can answer this question is offline, he will not see this question too

[empty sky]

well im not giving up on them

so no one reads this?

thats disheartening

[south moat]

Well it's very late in the states, isn't it?

[empty sky]

after midnight here

[south moat]

And on a holiday too

Also, they've been hiring more people
it's just that they didn't actually make money on the first 3 seasons, just lost it
which doesn't come as a massive surprise seeing that the mtx is mostly bad
and then for some reason they didn't make mtx for the popular skills
and some of them just... are bugged

Or stuff like wolf mtx not working on squirrels when like 90% of the people who use wolves go for squirrel build

[empty sky]

yeah thorns would be cool too

[south moat]

And then there was the 9month long season 1 which also negatively impacted the game

Ah well
It's kinda sad

[brazen bane]

@vivid glen remeber when you muted me for voicing my opinion. Bet your laughing now.

[south moat]

Don't ping the EHG members, it's in the rules

[north belfry]

I read it. And I agree 👍

[sharp hedge]

DRUID

love druid

[carmine smelt]

"muted for voicing an opinion" If I had a nickle for every time I heard that one haha. What was the "opinion"?

[woven sentinel]

Good morning

[south moat]

Good morning valentine

[woven sentinel]

How you this fine cold raining morning

[severe socket]

Define good.

39.2C fever plaguing my kid.

[woven sentinel]

Oof hope your kid gets better soon shadow

[south moat]

Lack of sleep so pretty tired
How about you?

Also sorry to hear that, shadow

[woven sentinel]

Sweaty from gym

[willow sentinel]

Oof but true

[south moat]

Ah, gym sounds good
Today is rest day for me

[willow sentinel]

Really? It doesn't work?

[woven sentinel]

Tomorrow is my rest day . Can't wait to sleep in

[main frigate]

Feel quite good because I'm crafting the own cathedral window

[wild lion]

Druid and beastmaster is my favorite

[woven sentinel]

Yep love my boss killer bear beastmaster

[south moat]

Yeah, you don't get mtx for the squirrels

At least according to dreadful

[rancid pulsar]

It should just shrink them so you have a chihuahua army

nasty little blighters

[willow sentinel]

Dang

Same as Thorn Totems mtx not applying to the Spriggan Totem

[south moat]

I guess internally the totems are considered different skills 🤔

[calm zodiac]

I mean, FSR/DLSS are kinda of a need these days

[short vessel]

man, not sure what to do with my CoF favour these days...

[woven sentinel]

Farm red rings

[short vessel]

got my red rings already, don't feel the need to try for better ones

[autumn briar]

halfway through s2 i accepted the fact that i would be wasting favor and just let it be capped

[short vessel]

actually i still need a stock of bastions

[woven sentinel]

Can never hurt to have more incase you go for other builds that needs em

With different slams

[short vessel]

oh nah i'ma one build billy

[woven sentinel]

What build?

[short vessel]

farming up gear for an uber attempt with scorp nova BM

[woven sentinel]

Oo nice if U need help killing hmu my bear will destroy Uber for u

[short vessel]

nah nah i wanna kill it solo

lol

[woven sentinel]

Lmao 🤣

[short vessel]

it's seeing if the build can do it

[woven sentinel]

Probably could just take a bit longer

As beastmaster is so broken for boss killing

[short vessel]

scorp nova has relatively poor boss DPS

like i'm expecting a 20 min fight

scorpion in general is much more clear oriented

[woven sentinel]

Oof rip well when U get bored of 20mins fight hmu for 30second fight lol

[short vessel]

than basically any other companion

i mean if i get the gear farmed up and get the kill i'm done for the season lol

[woven sentinel]

Lmao I mainly only jump on when people need help in lfgs or if they contact me via discord

For Uber kills

[acoustic palm]

hello gents

How are my bois doing ?

[woven sentinel]

Good just chilling

[south moat]

Good, good
Making lunch

[woven sentinel]

Hbu

[simple heart]

Still the most popular way to play thorn totem is shaman spriggan form. EHG perfectly know that and still decided to put an mtx for totems but unplayable with the very popular build, no wonder why they don't sell anything....

[south moat]

I do agree with you

Just trying to see the in game logic behind it

Even if I don't like it

[fickle salmon]

morning all

question

[simple heart]

They could have just put exactly the same mtx for both kind of totems...
The squirrels is more demanding as it can't be the same mtx, still awful decision.

[fickle salmon]

can druids use duel hands??

[simple heart]

Yes with an axe offhand

[fickle salmon]

thxs

[simple heart]

in Primalist passive tree

[fickle salmon]

is anceint forest worht doing??

srry for asking noob questions

[main frigate]

A more noob question: What ancient forest is

[fickle salmon]

it is a portal u go through

[woven sentinel]

The rift beast area

Yh it's worth it if your building requires those primordial uniques as that's the only place U get them from (plus evolution end)

[acoustic palm]

their talismas are two handed

at least in the video, it holds the staff with both hands

wait, wrong game

[fickle salmon]

noob question

what class is best in damage dealing??

[woven sentinel]

For overall game or like bossing?

If your following Maxrolls any S tier corruption builds will clear corruption good. Some are slower than others but can still get cleared.

I love the look of Falconer though

[fickle salmon]

um for lvling thne endgame

[woven sentinel]

Maxroll has some levelling builds for starters

Then once you hit around 60-70 then U can start looking into the end game version of Ur build

[willow sentinel]

Sword too

[exotic solar]

Hope we gonna see marksman rework next xpac

I am grinding for 3lp reign of winter since 2022

[woven sentinel]

Oof maybe I'll jump on and farm heorot with u lol

[exotic solar]

I just want another viable build for endgame

My standarts are really low

[woven sentinel]

You currently rocking an LP2 then?

[exotic solar]

I used to

Not playing until next season

[woven sentinel]

Ah

[exotic solar]

Back then there was no CoF bonuses

Just raw drops from bosses

Since then i farm heorot and no 3lp

1k hours

[obtuse bay]

If you played this game so much, I am sure you will play it next season too

[woven sentinel]

I'm MG so I don't get the prophecies bonuses

[exotic solar]

I will

If we get a decent marksman rework

[woven sentinel]

So if I get it's true luck and I would sell it haha

[exotic solar]

I can have 4 hour long melt down about marksman

[woven sentinel]

Go for it. I'll time ya lol

Jk

[proper sluice]

I feel you

[exotic solar]

Or if they add a unique bow for paladin that converts javalin to bow ability

That works too

[proper sluice]

The only archer we have does work well only if he actually doesn't use a bow. Or if it's there just to boost minions. 😂

[exotic solar]

Sadly yes.

Reign of winter is good for midgame but not for late game

Marksman sucks for lategame in general

[proper sluice]

The very problem is that our conception of midgame is 500-1k corruption, while it is clear that the game balancing was meant with 300 corruption as the actual Engame

but yet another topic nobody talks about anymore, because you know, paying 20 buck in a year from now for a new class is apparently a more urgent matter

[obtuse bay]

when people have builds with 20k corruption or 5k corruption, it doesnt feel like 300 corruption meant endgame but most of classes are underwhelming so I agree 😭

[proper sluice]

exactly

[exotic solar]

They meant for that years ago. The ammount of power creep they add each patch makes that statement meaningless.

[brittle aurora]

i always felt like chasing +500 corruption was meaningless

mid game is awesome

[proper sluice]

I agree, but we still have this paradigm where "a build is successful if it manages 300c"

which i never embraced

[exotic solar]

At 1.0 launch 300c was a good benchmark. That was patches ago, now we can target slam.

[obtuse bay]

we really need corruption ladder instead level ladder

[brittle aurora]

yeah that would be more fun

also, anything apart from ubberoth XD

but i guess adding paid class is too important

[exotic solar]

We dont need ladder. We need bug fixes, class and skill balance, redesign of old and useless mechanics.

[obtuse bay]

these too but wouldn't be nice to see which classes have better corruption? so we had data and talk better

[exotic solar]

It feels like %20 of the game is buggy mess. %40-45 is old design choices from 2019 that they cant accept they are bad. We try to play remaining %40.

[obtuse bay]

I hope they add more endgame than just bosses

[exotic solar]

I think they need to fix what they have before going that. It was like that since 1.0

Then they build upon instead of throwing shit on the wall and hope it sticks.

[proper sluice]

that would really pressure out people to just play meta

[obtuse bay]

good news, they are increasing the team size, bad news we don't know about new season

[obtuse bay]

more likely but they could balance classes better

right now, they will buff fire aura and bladedance afaik

[proper sluice]

it could be an incentive, yeah, but then for 2 seasons you'd have a game that instead of encouraging trying out new stuff would be focused on what can kill Shades of orobyss at high corruption as a sole reason to build a character.

[obtuse bay]

this is also why they need more endgame content than just killing bosses

[proper sluice]

plus, there's a major design mismatch between the cap on defensive stats and the scaling of damage from mobs which makes "glancing blow" and dodge the only one way to survive - and that's why only falconer gets to 20k corruption

[obtuse bay]

at one point, you will burnout by going monos repediately

[proper sluice]

and even there, if you see mapping is kind of a pity party

[proper sluice]

so so true

But the major problem of endgame is not even the repetitiveness - is that literally you find nothing good unless you actively farm for it. 2T7, 3Lp items - you almost never get randomly. You gotta do your chores with prophecies and woven echoes to add even more repetitiveness and chore-like feelings to improve your character by just an inch in power that most likely is not going to matter anyways

so the monolith experience feels repetitive because it never gives you a hit of dopamine

[exotic solar]

It is because it soft caps at 1k corruption and almost hardcaps at 2k. There is literally very small difference between 500 and 1k.

[proper sluice]

yup

[obtuse bay]

fun fact- my friend was playing cof but like you said, it was looking impossible to get some items and he told me he will play mg in the next season

[exotic solar]

Copying a build is not the CoF enforces. Its great for finding random 3lp rare unique and build with it or relive d2 boss farming experience somewhat optimized.

[obtuse bay]

this ^

but If you want to play specific build and looking for 3lp items... it sucks

[exotic solar]

Thats why you have MG

You know you will get that 3lp eventually

CoF is not about that.

[proper sluice]

Spending 70 million on a 3 LP that for sure is gonna get denied by Julra? No thanks ahah

[exotic solar]

I dont agree with you. We need more gamba.

Stuff like watchers eye from poe

[proper sluice]

If they were easier to get I would agree. Atm you farm for your 2-3 LP for 4 hours and then you lose the gamble and you have those moments where "alright I am done"

[exotic solar]

Thats the game tho.

[proper sluice]

If it was like 20 minutes, then gamble fail would be ok. But man, 4 hours, even more to get the pieces right. I finished my calculations for how much time it takes to get a 2T7 and it's just scary. I just don't know if the actual range to use FP when crafting has an equal distribution, tho

[exotic solar]

You can guarantee 1lp slams.

[rancid pulsar]

back in my day we grinded for a one in four chance on a 1LP item and we liked it! Mrgrgrgrgr

[autumn briar]

some sort of ladder (corruption is better than nothing) will expose skill/class imbalance, because then you would see stuff 100x out performing other stuff.

[exotic solar]

I dont think game cant get more deterministic than it already is.

[proper sluice]

Yeah but back in the days, you knew your aim was much lower than the current - 1.5k/uber kill for a build

[exotic solar]

It is 1kc since 0.9 release

[proper sluice]

Like, atm, if you make a build that can do 300c only, are you really satisfied with it? I am not.

[obtuse bay]

have you noticed btw we are not talking about 4lp as If it doesn't exist

[proper sluice]

exactly, because basically they don't. You can't take them in consideration when planning a build unless they are a lvl 20 or less item

[inner finch]

Schrodinger's cat situation right there

[exotic solar]

If you are planing a build especially on league start best course is planing it on 1lp boss uniques.

[proper sluice]

yeah

[rancid pulsar]

kind of? We did use to push for those numbers when it came to serious build creation

the difference was that there was no content that required a 1.5k-corr-powered character, besides corruption itself, so it was all just an exercise in futility

[obtuse bay]

why 20 lvls and lower items have 4lp but more lvl items don't

[proper sluice]

which then brings us back to the initial problem. Build matters way much more than itemization

[proper sluice]

because the chance to get a 4LP is way higher the lower the lvl of the item is

[exotic solar]

Agree

[proper sluice]

But this doesn't make items worth finding, and this kills the buzz a bit

[obtuse bay]

all of them are uniques but decrease on chance is weird

[exotic solar]

Game offers very little reward for high power.

[proper sluice]

just go on last epoch tools and look at the chances for a 4LP for a palarus sacred light versus an eye of reen

[rancid pulsar]

Well that's why it's still in beta, and new seasonal content is mainly intended to flesh out what you spend your time doing in endgame

oh wait, game released two years ago, oops

[obtuse bay]

KEKW 1 in 7,465,521Chance vs 1 in 492

[proper sluice]

palarus (lvl 6) - 1 in 432
eye of reen (lvl 70) - LP4: 1 in 7,465,521

yup

[rancid pulsar]

Note that LP level of uniques doesn't always match the required equip level (for balance reasons usually)

[autumn briar]

in 1.0, reward scaling like gold/exp kept going, then in 1.1 they pretty much capped it at 1k

[exotic solar]

We gonna have gta6 before last epoch becomes decent

[willow sentinel]

It will be the one that can clear off screen with a garanted non kill hit mechanic like silver shroud

[obtuse bay]

its kinda shame that except primordials, low level uniques are bad

[rancid pulsar]

...what? that's a new one, there's so many good low level uniques lol

Bleeding Heart, Palarus, firestarter torch, urzil's pride, peak of the mountain, the list goes on

[proper sluice]

Btw, change of topic: I intended to make a video some time ago on the things I wished they changed in s4 and s 5. And my opening argument was the actual character selection screen. Guys, it's so ugly. The castle in the background looks like it's made of playdough. How come nobody ever suggested a change there

[rancid pulsar]

I guess exsanguinous counts as low level too

[exotic solar]

I agree but i have other priorities.

[rancid pulsar]

LE is just kinda crusty and that's fine by me

[proper sluice]

but I think it's kind of easy to fix, no? in comparison to other things

[autumn briar]

didnt notice

[willow sentinel]

Because I spend less than 3 sec in the character screen?

[proper sluice]

imagine even adding the possibility to access the stash from any character

[willow sentinel]

You are probably right though

[proper sluice]

i don't know, i feel its still the way you are "welcomed" to the game every time

[exotic solar]

I think they handled that with act 1 revamp.

[exotic solar]

Maybe better loading screens?

[willow sentinel]

?? But you can access your stash with any character

[exotic solar]

It just can be me looking at same loading screens for 4 years.

[proper sluice]

from the character selection, withotu actually entering a game

[willow sentinel]

Oo

Why?

[exotic solar]

But why would you want that

[willow sentinel]

I am genuinely curious

[proper sluice]

for example, to move items equipped, or to recover items on an inventory withotu having to get in there

[rancid pulsar]

for that to work you'd have to have an online connection to even view your online characters, and you really don't want that trust me

[proper sluice]

my major concern is still the aesthetics tho

[rancid pulsar]

Can't say I agree but we need voices like yours as feedback for the MTX stuff, so good on ya

[willow sentinel]

Hum... Okay... Idk
Feel free to leave it in #suggestions

[proper sluice]

I posted at least 5 times in there, it just feels it gets lost in a plethora of unreal suggestions and there's a complete lack of feedback. And that was my second point of the video I was going to make: the suggestion page doesn't really feel like it, lol.

[woven sentinel]

Do I jump on game to help boss kill and watch football or F1 race and watch football haha

[proper sluice]

they sounds both decent options

[obtuse bay]

why some items gone to legacy

[willow sentinel]

They are all gathered and at least discussed by the team

[inner finch]

You will watch the F1 race, and you will cheer for Williams

[woven sentinel]

I knowww just don't know which one to do

[rancid pulsar]

wrong, DU DU DU DU

[willow sentinel]

Well at least thats what they told us

[woven sentinel]

I meant F1 game mate haha my bad

[inner finch]

boo

[willow sentinel]

Wdym?

[proper sluice]

I don't wanna jump in Last Epoch, because the only thing I wanna do is farm the 10th 2LP Jaspar's staff to throw at Julra's.

[rancid pulsar]

sipping my copium concentrate fresh from the tap for my fellow dutchie driver

IT'S NOT OVER

[woven sentinel]

McLaren all way dude. Redbull can suck it

[willow sentinel]

You should bonk her with it, not throw it

[woven sentinel]

Then doooo it haha

[obtuse bay]

looking at uniques on le tools https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/filter/language=en salt the wound for example, it looks good for crit poison but it says "legacy item", why devs decided to make it on legacy

[rancid pulsar]

EHG if anyone's reading this please let us put attack speed on this thing

[proper sluice]

takes too much time, it failed so many times already lol. I got to the point where frustration beat motivation

[rancid pulsar]

literally the only reason I refuse to touch it

[willow sentinel]

Wrong link

[obtuse bay]

I will pm you

[woven sentinel]

Is the staff a random drop?

[exotic solar]

Do you people think will they ever backpedal on "item does X every 10 seconds" stuff?

[rancid pulsar]

as in their policy on autobomber style builds? not officially, but it already exists so the pandora's box is open as it were

[exotic solar]

About general item design. Limiting things with CD is very boring and feels cheap.

[rancid pulsar]

oh gotcha, I can't answer that one but I think it's a fair point

[proper sluice]

Yeah but you get it easy with prophecies. Is just I need one with good rolls and only thinking of getting into gauntlets of strife at the moment makes my ****sack reach the floor. Without counting refarming the 2T7 exalted for it

[woven sentinel]

Ah ok

5mins until game kick off

[autumn briar]

did you figure out legacy salt the wound? https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsEYA4HYg

i think it happens when the item is changed substatially

[rancid pulsar]

it's when the base type changes, which hasn't been necessary in a while IIRC

Maybe there's some legacy-ish snowblinds out there, because that item could drop as a lower or a higher level base for a long time

[willow sentinel]

It went from giving psn/bleed effect to Psn/bleed pen

It's more a planner thing because uniques get changed, even existing copies

[rancid pulsar]

that too, though the LEtools text on the legacy version still uses the new text oddly

[tawny spire]

I still do not understand the reflect nerf - god forbid its actually viable and fun

[willow sentinel]

Being able to clear up to 300c with just 2 items might be a bit much

[woven sentinel]

because you kept saying how great it was in global, they had to nerf it just for u prime 😄

[main frigate]

🤔 A thing I can sure is... Judd love making loot-based ARPG

[ruby flume]

Wait they nerf reflect? Lol

[wild turret]

well if they gonna sell characters to us. im out. in the kick starter they said there will be no paid extras. Why would i spent penny to get character whil i can play path of exile for free to have fun. Greed is bad for every genre. and just by searcing it little you can find so many examples ruind by greed. So good luck with that i spend 700 hours but i wont spend anymore.

[tawny spire]

you were not even part of the kick starter to be upset about it. So why are you complaining when you were not part of it?

[tawny spire]

You can't clear up to 300c with 2 items you would die. Also, if you are doing it with just the two items, and no end game items it takes forever to kill anything. The arguments for the nerf make 0 sense

But we all know how much the community gets listened too.

[inner finch]

[woven sentinel]

Soda bro , drink beer and kill Uber 😄

[tawny spire]

oh don't worry ur bear better get nerfed too

[woven sentinel]

Na it's getting buffed mate:D

[tawny spire]

that is a damn lie no way

[woven sentinel]

Haha I have no idea what's happening with bear bro

[tawny spire]

lol. Still my point stands, the reasons for the nerf on reflect are really non issues - considering it can only go so far. Where you been anyway sin

[inner finch]

Reflect build should have been nerfed, absolutely

it has an extreme do-nothing to kill-everything ratio

[woven sentinel]

Been chilling bro

But your very limited to playing solo with reflect unless the other player basically does nothing and stands back so everything faces you

As reflect is a face tank build

[inner finch]

I also hope reflect numbers come in next patch

doing damage without numbers shouldnt exist

[woven sentinel]

One build that needs nerfing is void

Every season it seems to be S tier?

[inner finch]

nerf the entire damage type?

or maybe EHG should just delete the VK

[tawny spire]

you mean since they nerfed everything into the ground that was playable, which is why so many use it right?

[inner finch]

define playable

[tawny spire]

throwing hammers - useless
throwing shield - useless without thicket
smite - horrible
do I need to go on?

[inner finch]

The game has thousands of skill combinations

most of them will not clear corruption 800

statistically - sure, there are a lot of cases to be made

[tawny spire]

exactly my point only 2-5 builds are 800+ viablo

and it is always the same

[inner finch]

That is very untrue

[tawny spire]

falcon - falcon - falcon

[inner finch]

I was being sarcastic with numbers

[willow sentinel]

I mean, all 3 you mentioned I have seen doing 1k

[tawny spire]

right WITH the reflect that is going to be nerfed

[obtuse bay]

as another shaman player, same

Ive seen 900 corruption

[inner finch]

A single content creator is already showing you dozens of different builds that are able to cross through high difficulties. https://www.actionrpg.com/last-epoch/build-guides

[tawny spire]

I have not seen 1 throwing hammer build actually work past 200-300 cor sorry vlad

oh I cannot wait to see this garbage

[inner finch]

There's already a known hammerdin build able to clear C1000

[rancid pulsar]

what happens if I find evidence of it by opening youtube and typing for 5 seconds

[tawny spire]

so on the front page DJ the only one there that even clears in any kind of time is the mage build

the dot fire paladin is hilarious

[inner finch]

Brother, a quick google/YT search already brings up builds

Its that easy to find

[rancid pulsar]

yep, first result advertises 1800 corr (not that I believe it necessarily)

I am shocked

[tawny spire]

is it using mourning boots

[inner finch]

Here's markova's C1000 build from early this season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgfdHITfCiI

[ruby flume]

I spent almost 3k hrs season 2 was great so i even buyed most expensive supporter pack but never spent those points cuz MTX look bad well atlest we got poe 1 n 2 xd

[woven sentinel]

Who's the utuber?

[rancid pulsar]

I'll watch the vid before linking bc maybe it's bogus

[tawny spire]

oh this build, yea ran it, does not work --- even video says not uber viable which means the build is not good for anything but quick clearing low corr levels its in the description. Also carrion of creation does not work as intended or it would be good

and again, JUST LIKE REFELECT it stops around 1200-1300 corr

[inner finch]

Anything that clears 1000 makes 800 or 500 into a joke, its how scaling works

[woven sentinel]

Think I found the one Ur on about that's season 2

[thin idol]

Which skill are you discussing not being viable at 1k corruption? I need a challenge this weekend 🙂

[inner finch]

This is like taking a flat earther into space, and he claims we have installed LCD screens showing a fake globe instead of windows

[woven sentinel]

Yep, my reflect struggled at 1337

[woven sentinel]

Hammerdin

[rancid pulsar]

well, did anything change to make the build better or worse, not that I can think of lol

[tawny spire]

No more like I have seen how nerfs - buffs from this company has been handled - along with community not being listened too. So I am a flat earther now loll

[inner finch]

There are 2 hammerdin builds i know of that got fairly good attention, Markova's and Volca's

both are different

[woven sentinel]

Not sure tbh my first season is season 3 haha

[obtuse bay]

scaling is so absurd smh, there are extreme builds those make even these builds cringe

[inner finch]

You claimed there are only 2-5 builds, there are dozens of em

Dozens we know of, and can quickly find with a quick search

and are shown in an online space, without the ability to cheat into the builds

[tawny spire]

lol So I have played these builds and in my flat earth experience - they stall at much lower levels than advertised

if you have to min max to get 500-1k corruption it doesnt work

[woven sentinel]

Soda when U making my bear build then haha

[thin idol]

Do I have to play hammers as paladin?

[inner finch]

Most of these builds are displayed within a week or two of the start of the season

nothing is minmaxed within that time frame

[tawny spire]

they also are updated from the previous season and not fully tested in the new season DJ

[rancid pulsar]

nah hard to go wrong with most things on pally

[tawny spire]

they just edit them

[inner finch]

You are seeing gameplay footage of them, in season 3, 7-15 days after it started, with an upload date stamped on them

[tawny spire]

and again - the gloves are now not working properly making the build NOT work round earther

[woven sentinel]

So soda when U carrying me on Uber? 😛

[inner finch]

Here's a third one, a Void time rot based hammer throw build, uploaded last week, clearing C900 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXi5jrECEM

BabblingBike is another known figure in LE builds

[thin idol]

Looks weak, I stick to fire aura 🙂

[tawny spire]

lol the fact you are using this guy as a reference for your round earth theroy actually disgust's me

[inner finch]

im not, im using this video to show you that i quickly found not 1, but 3 build guides based on hammer throw that cross C800, with gameplay footage and a full build guide

[obtuse bay]

fire aura is the way!! 🔥

[tawny spire]

you didn't you found a build that takes over 200 mil gold to create and the entire season

[woven sentinel]

Have U seen the build planner dj?

[inner finch]

I know its a grindy build, yes

But i also understand the scalibility of gear with difficulty

[woven sentinel]

So unless U have all that gear it's useless would U say?

[inner finch]

absolutely not, you can scale rarity with difficulty

more often than not, C1000 builds with grindy stats will make C600-700 builds with relatively quick to get stats

[tawny spire]

no Sin without perfect gear settup this build does NOT work

DJ can whine and moan all he wants - but it does not work

[woven sentinel]

Soda carry me on Uber please

[inner finch]

if you reduce variables a little, it will still work

There are no binary switches on this gear

[tawny spire]

there is

are you blind?

[woven sentinel]

🍿

[inner finch]

my vision is perfectly fine, and i can read all the stats

[tawny spire]

great so tell me what happens if you do not have 2 perfect items to put a sit into

[inner finch]

I don't need to teach you how gearing works. All stats on this build are achieveable within a reasonable farming time, and you can slam lower stat T6 on them and farm corruption successfully

[tawny spire]

lol sin that is your job I just die like an idiot to lag hahaha

[woven sentinel]

But but bear needs his sleep so it's Ur turn

[woven sentinel]

Reckon you could do 1000+ with t6?

[tawny spire]

no but clearly I need to teach you how your thought process saying reflect is OP is why people are runnin 200 attunment to play that with because builds like this are so gimicky they work sort of

[inner finch]

Its a build, and it works, and it farms high difficulty

All ive seen from you is "it requires minmaxing" "its too hard" "i will never be able to farm it"

[tawny spire]

its not how I want to play hammers

[inner finch]

Brother, if you want to farm high corruption - you need to put in the time

[tawny spire]

I want to play with cosmic hammers and jumping skill because thats the effects I bought to go together

EXCEPT IT DOESNT WORK

[woven sentinel]

Play falconer :D. Okay don't hit me lol

[tawny spire]

lol falconeer can do 1k+ in blues with a morning frost boot

[inner finch]

Pretty much all masteries in LE have really high difficulty specs, some of them are less fun or more grindy to get than others

Even the cursed bladedancer

[woven sentinel]

I might make that build for lols since we have at least another 4/5weeks of it

And I break up from work from 21st Dec to 5th Jan woop woop

[tawny spire]

okay dj you are not even and end game player - never mind

you are just reciting rederick

[inner finch]

im an early game player. I make toons, level them to 20 and delete them to start again

[tawny spire]

so you personally have 0 on hand experience besides what you watch in youtube videos or what people say

[digital oriole]

The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition: The Krafton Edition on Reddit only -> by me just for fun. Its ment to be sarcastic

[tawny spire]

so with 0 actual on hand experience you cannot debate something you have not experienced yourself - like for example getting hit for 44 mil from a random arrow out of a tree

[inner finch]

"only 3-5 builds can do corruption 800"

"sir, here are 60 build guides and gameplay footage examples of people doing exactly that"

"its all fake, edited"

[severe socket]

39.7C fever, ffs...

[woven sentinel]

Shit. Get Ur kid to the doctor's man

[tawny spire]

alright dj you win clearly you know more about this game than I do playing to level 20

[inner finch]

There's a lot to learn playing to level 20 over and over again what do you mean... you get to experience the same cinematic story cutscenes

[woven sentinel]

Out of curiosity why don't U make an end game build DJ

[severe socket]

Will do...

[rancid pulsar]

however bad it looks it cannot look worse than fire aura amigo

[inner finch]

I dumped about 125 hours in the first 8-9 days or so of the season, but mostly to experiment with stuff. if S4 is decent enough, ill do something

[woven sentinel]

They might need fluids pumping into em

Have you tried cooling pads ?

[severe socket]

Fluids are not a problem.

He's drinking good.

Put a cold towel on his forehead for now. Trying to cool down the rest of his hot spots to keep the temps in check...

Dunno how effective it's gonna be.

[woven sentinel]

They will do that at hospital put him on cooling pads but is he drinking lots as that temp it will just sweat out of him

But it would be a full body cold blanket pad type thing at doctors/ hospital

[inner finch]

nearly 40c is ER stuff

[woven sentinel]

Yep

[inner finch]

My rule is anything over 39.0c is hospital worthy

[woven sentinel]

They will deffo have him on multiple IV drips to make sure his liver etc is getting enough fluids and not basically baking itself

And a full cooling pad blanket

But yeah don't delay shadow mate. I would start rushing him over or even Calling them out

[obtuse bay]

I think its called heat stroke

be careful man

wishing speedy recovery ❤️

[woven sentinel]

Bless him. Hope he gets better soon man

[cobalt fable]

what other arpg has paid classes if any?

[inner finch]

People say Hero Seige

Technically also D3 and D4

and somewhat technically, even D2

[woven sentinel]

Diablo 4, vessel of hatred for spiritborn from d3

Pretty much all diablo games basically

[shut quiver]

Hero Siege is known for paid classes more so for the game itself. But that changed the very day LE announced paid classes lol

[green hamlet]

Torchlight Infinite, but they go free next season after release

[inner finch]

When will that change? I see that they are still selling classes

[shut quiver]

From what I read, season 9 which I think is next season. It was some article posted by someone here on this server

[woven sentinel]

Season 9

[inner finch]

danke

[woven sentinel]

People who have previously bought these will get special skins which will replace the old class DLC's, since we cannot just remove them and people have paid for them. These skins will activate from owning the old class dlcs automatically.

Amazon, Paladin, Samurai, Shaman, Demonspawn and Demon Slayer.

All the classes becoming free

[inner finch]

I know absolutely nothing about Hero Seige, really

[zinc blaze]

its fun

a lot more arcade-y but its fun

[shut quiver]

Like i said, the game is known for paid classes and its monetisation more so for the game itself xD

[woven sentinel]

Urm cyber

[zinc blaze]

it is always wild to me that the dlc classes are like the same price as the base game hero siege

[inner finch]

Sometimes i wonder how games like Soulstone Survivors could exist without paid DLC

soulstone is an arena horde roguelite, best of its kind imo

[woven sentinel]

Our plans are to move more towards visual, optional and fair priced MTX and Pay for Convenience rather than locking playable parts out of the game. This only excludes new character classes and the upcoming Act 9 expansion which will be paid, but as we release a new class or expansion we will make one or two older classes free.

Does that mean they making more but gonna charge?

[shut quiver]

Pretty much, yeah. They still plan to charge for new classes and/or expansions but when they do, they'll make older classes free. Or so they claim

[woven sentinel]

Lmao 🤣😆🤣

[zinc blaze]

Our plans are to move more towards visual, optional and fair priced MTX and Pay for Convenience rather than locking playable parts out of the game.

• Playable content wont be paid for and the focus will be on hats and paying for convince (like stash tabs or character slots I guess?)

This only excludes new character classes and the upcoming Act 9 expansion which will be paid

• This doesnt count for playable classes and act 9 of the story

but as we release a new class or expansion we will make one or two older classes free.

• when a new class/expansion comes out the previous ones become free

so its like a subscription game kinda I guess?

[woven sentinel]

Yep

Thanks for paying for 3 new classes and testing them out. Let's give the free players the shittest one out of em

[tawny spire]

Oh man so weird - I saw this guy playing heartseeker at 800 corruption with this exactly gear BUT IT DOESNT WORK

damn my flat earth

[woven sentinel]

Lmao soda

I'm still waiting for U to carry me bro

[inner finch]

I'd like to order a TV to this space, it seems large enough to contain it

[zinc blaze]

just uhhhh get better gear

[woven sentinel]

I'm scared to dm U the word beard as it says to on Ur motto 😂

[tawny spire]

no no djelectric said I just had to have the gear the guy had in the video and it works just fine - why isnt it working, he said it would, he is such a good player

[woven sentinel]

Oh bread haha I'm.stupid LMAO

[zinc blaze]

🍞

[zinc blaze]

ah I see

[inner finch]

You are correct, Soda. Everyone making build guides is posting fake videos of fake builds that don't work

[tawny spire]

ITS SO WEIRD

WHY DOESNT THIS WORK DJ

its by the guys you said in action rpg

oh wait I know why, because its from last season and just retagged to this season

moron.

[obtuse bay]

rage baiting at finest

[inner finch]

Don't follow seasonal guides not for Season 3, first

[zinc blaze]

👀

[tawny spire]

says season 3

[inner finch]

Can you link the guide you were following?

[woven sentinel]

Hey @zinc blaze need Uber kill? Soda will carry you

[zinc blaze]

[tawny spire]

yea im following the @inner finch said if its a season 3 build guide and can do 800 corruption than it can

[empty sentinel]

Is it better to do the first playthrough alone or with someone?

[tawny spire]

and this is me proving you WRONG

[woven sentinel]

On own evo

[inner finch]

link it, link the guide

[obtuse bay]

bro just follow your guts, you don't need anyone

[woven sentinel]

You wanna learn the story mate, but you can have people help U on the boss fights if struggling

[empty sentinel]

Right, I'll start the game now 😄 wish me luck

[woven sentinel]

But yeah . Learn the fights and mechanics as much as U can. You don't want people to just one hit them for U

[obtuse bay]

good luck

[woven sentinel]

Oo have fun. Approx 4/5weeks left of current season. U can get far tbh

[empty sentinel]

I really wish it will addict me lol

[woven sentinel]

Oh it will

Now biggest question Evo. What you thinking for first character?

[empty sentinel]

I usually play as warrior - melee (don't know the options I have yet). But I like archers too. I rarely use mages

I think I'll go as archer

[woven sentinel]

Oo okay

[empty sentinel]

When dealing with bosses alone as mage, it's harder, isn't it ?

[inner finch]

There's no Warrior fantasy in LE, but a close thing would be some Sentinel builds

[inner finch]

Ranged magic builds in LE dont suffer too much of a punishment

you can still buff survivability with recovery and ward

[woven sentinel]

But they can be very heavily unique based

Meaning needing certain type uniques in order to get the damage out

[inner finch]

Sentinel leveling is far easier to survive with, really

at least thanks to Healing Hands

[zinc blaze]

and time and faith

[inner finch]

The greatest skill ever created in any video game lol

[south moat]

Awfully quiet, eh

[inner finch]

I was actually intending to ask Aaron personally about the guide

be it here or on stream

[acoustic palm]

Hello gents

[woven sentinel]

Hello madliv

[south moat]

Jello

[zinc blaze]

[scenic fog]

I am very worried about Judd. I hope he is doing okay. I don't know him, but I am a very caring human.

[acoustic palm]

Not to sound rude, but he has 96 millions of euro now.

[inner finch]

I have heard he isnt having the best time of his life right now...

mentally

[scenic fog]

I send him very genuine well wishes.

[inner finch]

but that's sort of a personal zone I think none of us should go into

[scenic fog]

Oh of course not, personal boundaries must be respected. I do however wish him well because I know how awful he must feel.

[acoustic palm]

I think each person is valuable in their own way and no one should suffer, but I worry more about the people that worked under him, believed in him and now they have to believe in a new leadership.

[inner finch]

idk who talked about it, could be rax, but the devs we ve seen before Season 2 definitely come to mind

A part of that whole Season 2 interview campaign

[proper sluice]

I'm just happy that many major creators were very polite and moderate in explaining the situation to their audience in a quite constructive and objective way, and their take is usually positive. I believe that helps

[severe socket]

Does he have any people he could exchange experience with or take advices from?

[inner finch]

That's definitely something ive noticed. Not everyone piled on the pitchfork mentality

[proper sluice]

Rhykker today, for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7DHZJwddu0

raxx has been very positive as well

Aaron too

Bina as well

[inner finch]

Even hardcore PoErs like what's his name, the Swedish guy

and even NeverSink

[scenic fog]

Judd has been in my head, out of the blue for the last 3-4 days.

I normally don't fixate, so I hope everything is okay.

[woven sentinel]

Hey shadow. Has Ur son temp dropped?

[inner finch]

Its the holiday season, sort of, and we can just hope staff is getting a good rest and a mental recharge with their loved ones

[tawny spire]

lol okay i understand sort of why people are saying nerf reflect KIND OF - saw a screen shot of a paladin with 497,000 flat reflect - uh how?

[willow mortar]

Im thankfull for paid classes

[woven sentinel]

Because broken lol

[tawny spire]

no I mean there is no damn way lol, how TF does a paladin get that much reflect?

[woven sentinel]

Because paladin has reflect passives

My bro built a judgemental reflect

[proud steppe]

@tawny spire listen that is only my paladin and i not have all the idol perfect

46015 at 98

[woven sentinel]

46k corruption?

Jesus Christ. Bet the drops are insane on that

[proud steppe]

@woven sentinel damage reflect i only replay

a mate at lvl 100 is around 63788

[woven sentinel]

Fairs. Might make that tbh haha . Swap from VK

[proud steppe]

and i think he as all his idol at 15 / 150

[woven sentinel]

For damage reflect?

[proud steppe]

yeah

[woven sentinel]

All mine are like 10%+ as I use to main reflect shaman haha

[proud steppe]

actually he farm in corru 450-500

with pala reflect

[woven sentinel]

Build guide? Or Ur name in-game so I can check out Ur build

[proud steppe]

his shaman reflect if i remember he is at 600+

@woven sentinelhttps://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/reflectadin---reflect-paladin

[slow cloud]

Reflectadin - Reflect Paladin Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class

Sentinel / Paladin

Used skills

• Vengeance
• Healing Hands
• Symbols of Hope
• Holy Aura
• Rebuke

Used unique items

• Thicket of Blinding Light
• Monument of Protection
• Thornshell
• Hand of Judgement
• Azurral's Fury
• Foot of the Mountain
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Evolution's End
• Vessel of Strife

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Arena / Hardcore / SSF / Ranged

Created by debris · Sep 3, 2025, 11:39 PM

[proud steppe]

i have take this build

[tardy bison]

yea I'm pretty min/maxed at 100 and have 67k flat on character defense tab

[ruby flume]

i had 65k reflect on shaman i think mayb got to 70k don,t remmember on paladin it was much less dmg

[woven sentinel]

legend, let me see what i can make 😄

[tardy bison]

400,000+ is not possible

[proud steppe]

shaman reflect damage more than paladin but is more squishy

[woven sentinel]

yeah i have gear from reflect shaman and all my idols are there 😄

[tardy bison]

paladin is perfect imo, smite for ward generation and rebuke for big bonks

[proud steppe]

it is my first paladin and i have a love hate relationship with it

[tardy bison]

I can afk t4 julra and normal abby no rebukes or anything lol

[woven sentinel]

I'm only making it for corruption I have my boss killer build lol

[tardy bison]

just ... stand there

[proud steppe]

i really HATE play this build because of a lot of thing

[woven sentinel]

Gonna see how the gear I got compares to the guide

[tardy bison]

it's fairly easy to gear, lp3 thicket and lp4 thornshell took some work

[woven sentinel]

i have the gear as i use to main reflect shaman

they just might be different slightly

[proud steppe]

paladin reflect you can play with your brain in off mode and nearly with eyes shut because it is too much broken

[tardy bison]

well slap it on baby, I bummed my reflect gear to level a mana flay lich to 90 in a day

[proud steppe]

but i can finally make julra T4 in hc safely

[tardy bison]

t4 julra I don't even have to warp to dodge big bonk, just eat it

[woven sentinel]

yeah so my reflect shaman thorn has damage to attackers and that guide has block effectiveness etc

so let me see if i can make it 😄

[main frigate]

As the founder of EHG, he must have rich connections in game industry after 7 years.

[tardy bison]

I put t7 block chance, t7 flat reflect on my thornshell

[proud steppe]

@woven sentinel the build my mate take i dont know where he fund it for his shamant the build isnt on Le Tools

[woven sentinel]

gloves i got them at LP2 but that be good for now

[tardy bison]

you need t7 block chance on gloves, shield and one ring to cap 100 block chance

[proud steppe]

and same thing for paladin reflect he use other passiv than me but he play sentinel by the past too

block chance only on shield

no neeed in other piece

i have 100% block on my pal

[tardy bison]

it's a fun build to play with, literally just run around 1k+ corruption and pick stuff up very chill

[main frigate]

Holly, Judd, Mike, Karv and... I forget who's the creative director

let me see...

[proud steppe]

the build is broken because the armor dont take in consideration the target defence

[tardy bison]

yea the flat reflect damage does way more than it really should

ticks normal abberoth for 12%

[inner finch]

I feel like EHG has an overwhelming amount of work on balance and bugfixing even if no new content is introduced

[main frigate]

Oh Ross, yes

[proud steppe]

the only way for nerf the reflect ( IF EHG think it must be nerfed ) is to take the defence in consideration and it is the most smooth nerf possible and nobody will cry

but this is an other history, wait in the future

[main frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKH0LIgpps It's the 1st wave of that interview hype month I think

I never know Holly is here if that interview didn't happen lol

[woven sentinel]

yeah not enough gold atm to make it ill keep as vk until i get more gold 😄

[main frigate]

(Principle game designer in EHG, it's her role)

[blissful ridge]

i think a good way to nerf reflect is to increase the CD from the primordial chest

[proud steppe]

@blissful ridge yeah possible too

[blissful ridge]

if the cd gets increased to 1s, this would nerf it a lot

[proud steppe]

1 sec will be nothing, 3 sec with be a nerf

[blissful ridge]

but 1s would half them dmg

[proud steppe]

on trash mod 0.5 or 1 it is the same thing it is a a one shot

and on bosss it is almost the same thing

[woven sentinel]

time to do some 1,333 corruption as VK beyblade

[proud steppe]

imo 300 corru is fine ( at the release never passtrough the 100 corru )

[main frigate]

I asked that before... Cut infinite corruption

[acoustic palm]

saying about sales and all, seeing other arpgs have sales, when LE will have one ?

[main frigate]

emmmm it's a game which rare on sales. Summer and winter only

Maybe it'll on sale in New year

[sweet moss]

flay mana lich is best class inh the game

[proud steppe]

LE ( march 2024 vs june 2023 for D4 ) is out after D4 for the official release so naturally at this time LE was overshadowed by D4 so naturally, bad sales

@sweet moss not really Shamana reflect is before the lich

[inner finch]

Release schedule would definitely be somewhere in the top 10 list of things LE had problems with

[sweet moss]

let me be delusional please

[inner finch]

Flay Lich is a great spec

if you list it most, viable

[sweet moss]

bestest*

[inner finch]

I wish i wouldn't be so close to getting epilepsy playing it, but still

[proud steppe]

nobody it the best lol depend what you want to play

[sweet moss]

i say its best

[proud steppe]

i play usually necro but i am playing only paladin atm because it is broken, when the day it is necro who will be broken i will swith again ( from a very long time i always hate play meta build but on LE not playing in this way is sometime no productive )

[brittle fjord]

It's good but best? And best at what?

[inner finch]

What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

• Conan T. barbrian

[sweet moss]

its fast

yea

[brittle iris]

just coming back played at start of season 3 but anyways my cosmetics i had on at that time cant be equip anymore and i dont understand why not not even my lich cosmetic anyone know what might be happening

or if any changes i dont know abot

about

[brittle fjord]

Lots of builds are fast

[inner finch]

I like that shield build for FG

i may try it S4

[night marten]

you can try this, it might help https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414295382625878037/1432741243200475148

[main frigate]

remind of a thing... No one mention set items again hhhhh

[brittle iris]

thanks working on it now 😄

[woven sentinel]

i said via game chat for that 😄

[acoustic palm]

D4 plus expansion is at sale for 28 euro total, LE base game is 35 euro

34 actually

Sorry for the fake news

Would be nice to see it to 17 euro or something for more new blood

[woven sentinel]

d4 vessle of hatred can be free and i will still refuse to play it

[acoustic palm]

Understandable

[inner finch]

i think i have a redemption code for VoH somewhere

i got it in some event

[woven sentinel]

bin it

[brittle iris]

i deleted 2 files marked .josn but was told one was .jos other was .josn anyways after deleting both .josn (or .json dont remember 100p) still had same problem. ii just reloaded did it again and it still diidnt work

[proud steppe]

@acoustic palm the basic price for D4 was around 50 bucks and 90 for the deluxe ( price on PC) dont know on console. LE was 35 only and 64 with cosmetic ( at the relesase i take the full price at 64 )

@woven sentinel yeah because it was a content remove from the original game but the content wasnt finished so ......

[warm plover]

Can someone point me towards what people are mad? Im not seeing it

What game doesn't have some paid content

[hoary urchin]

they're 10 years old and cant save a few bucks for a class thats releasing in a year

[stable forum]

gestures at everything EHG has ever said ever

[proud steppe]

@warm plover because of the paid class sold separately from the expansion

[warm plover]

Hmm

A lot of you have gotten hundreds to thousands of hours off what, 30 bucks i think the game was?

[hoary urchin]

since there's full offline mode there's probably going to be a way to pirate it anyway for the people desperate enough to game, intelligent enough to get shit done, but then are unable to make money cause schizophernia

[acoustic palm]

thats why i said on discount

[proud steppe]

honnestly i will never pay again for classes sold separately, if the classs was sold in the extention, i could have an other way of speaking

[warm plover]

Wait so its a paid expansion that doesn't come with the class?

Maybe that's what im confused about

[proud steppe]

@warm plover freee on PC bu paid for consoles

[acoustic palm]

people are mad because they paid for a finished game, the game is not finished after 1.0, it has more classes that are bugged than classes that aren't

[warm plover]

Hmm I kinda get it

[hoary urchin]

I dont get why LE all the cosmetics are trash, Id spend $30 on cosmetics if any of them looked any good. I figure they'd add actual good MTX before adding a paid class but idk?

[acoustic palm]

i'm not tech savy but seeing dr3adful mald about the builds that didn't work cuz game is bugged, made me mald

so before you ask for more moeny for more content, what about you fix the content you made 7 years ago

plus the MTX is god damn ugly in this game

[hoary urchin]

yeah so much bugs

[acoustic palm]

plus some MTX bug skills

[warm plover]

They are a pretty small team

[proud steppe]

@hoary urchin i have paid the bigger cosmetic supporter pack ( from the S3 ) because it was perfect for my paladin but is not the same of pay class

[acoustic palm]

can you believe that there is a mtx that reduces your dps by 50% cuz bugs/

[warm plover]

You know the whole small indie studio joke

[acoustic palm]

140 people, the same size as GGG until 3 years ago

:reeee:

[warm plover]

Oh

Thought it was less

[acoustic palm]

Nah, they really scared their team for 1.0

scalled*

that's one of the reasons they are apparently not profitable, their hired too much, too fast

[scenic fog]

Does life leech count as life regen or is it its own specific consideration when factoring everything in?

[acoustic palm]

Life leech is dps based isn't it ?

[inner finch]

Why in LE many other aspects arent as polished?

This isnt a cosmetics problem, its a development challenge across the board

[proud steppe]

it is induced of your total damage

[scenic fog]

A more pointed question would be: "If I decide to wear a Titan Heart, can I still gain life from leech?"

[acoustic palm]

Also another big issue is that most LE mechanics are find [big special mob] [kill special mob], we have 4 of that

[hoary urchin]

yeah

life regen is a different thing than leech

[acoustic palm]

I know that such mechanic is easy to code and do, but all these mechanics are locked into space

[scenic fog]

Oh awesome! I am making a "SOLDIER" inspired 2h melee rogue, it's been really fun and a titan heart would really set her off.

[proud steppe]

@scenic fogyou must take life per kill when life leeech is restricted

[scenic fog]

Good to know Lyseria, I will bear that in mind.

[proud steppe]

on the game there is always a solution for each issue

per example on maxroll on the multiple shot build for rogue you must play with amulet xithara who desactivate leech life and life regen anf for compensate this you use instead Health on Hit and Crit

[scenic fog]

I load her up, play the Crisis Core ost in the background and force wave flurry the bejeezus out of everything on the screen. It's great fun.

Tigress, SOLDIER 2nd Class, at your service.

hehe :)

[proud steppe]

but all classes dont have that so it is complicated

[smoky osprey]

No, the game was not profitable and needs to become profitable whether or not it has an outside investor. Bring acquired by Krafton gives them the capital to expand the way they think they need, and lengthens their runway. In other words, keeps them from closing

@stone edge

It does nothing to lessen the need to make money

[fervent lintel]

Speaking for myself here, the cosmetic-purchase model went out the window with how expensive the cosmetics actually are. I get better value from Warframe, or buying other games. I think games in general greatly overprice their MTX, so I seldom (if ever) buy.

It isn't that I don't want to support them, but my money is finite, so I weigh where it goes.

[proud steppe]

@fervent lintel not really cosmetic on LE are cheap when you look on the side offf blizzard noob and i know it very well because i bought some pack for my(s) necro (s) and some battlepass

[fervent lintel]

I don't buy anything from Blizzard. That's not a valid comparison for me.

And if Blizz stuff is more expensive, I wouldn't be buying that either

[zinc blaze]

the mtx thing is just weird imo for LE, like their not expensive (compared to other ARPGs, especially vs poe supporter packs) but a lot of the mtx never really jumped out at me.

[tawny spire]

the way this "pay to play class" is worded - it sounds like you are paying for a cluster of problems of something that may or may not work for X bucks lol

[fervent lintel]

It feels like you get more for the money in POE tho

[zinc blaze]

its not a quality problem, the stuff is well made

[zinc blaze]

yeah but thats expected when its a 400$ supporter pack vs a 60$ one

[fervent lintel]

I never bought the ones that are that high

[zinc blaze]

same

[inner finch]

Unless EHG triples their manpower, i can definitely see how Paradox classes, a paid DLC, will in fact, have bugs in it

[zinc blaze]

has EHG been hiring more devs recently?

[fervent lintel]

Maybe it's a discussion the devs should have with the community about what they would be willing to pay for to help support the game, and where that standard of quality/return needs to be to justify it

[inner finch]

EHG is on a hiring spree, yes

[tawny spire]

lich still has bugs in it since season 1 and just got worse - I have no idea how the F they going to pull this off

[fervent lintel]

A valid concern for sure

[zinc blaze]

I still want lich to get its skill back from warlock

[tawny spire]

they have not hired one person as of yet - just stated they are but nothing is going to be done for 2 months minimum

[proud steppe]

Well when you neeed to paid for play a new classes is generally speaking a really really bad omen for the future

[inner finch]

Linked in has a recent hires section

[restive saddle]

Why Did You Lie To Us Eleventh Hour Games?

[inner finch]

They have in fact hired people

[zinc blaze]

dang linkdin being useful

time to use the built in windows shortcut to go to linkdin

[proud steppe]

when you had hired too much you fired the no necessary CQFD

[tawny spire]

linkdin is not reliable, the company itself has not filed new persons

[inner finch]

please stop thinking the entire world lies to you

pretty please...

[tawny spire]

please stop thinking wikipedia is a source of information

are you that brain dead LINKDIN IS YOUR SOURCE LOL

[inner finch]

Do you know what Linkedin is?

[zinc blaze]

even if like 100 people go hired today or in the last month, it still takes time for them to get up to speed on the work

[inner finch]

Yeah i would imagine onboarding could take some time

[zinc blaze]

as a programmer, onboarding is the worst

[stable forum]

this is exactly what I have been thinking with regards to S4 taking a little longer than they planned

[fervent lintel]

They are hiring now for something we won't see in 6-12 months. Relax, guys.

[inner finch]

one of those recent hires is a QA leadership

A person from Blizzard no less

[tawny spire]

dj until the company actually changes its tax status for another employee - they have not officially hired one

[proud steppe]

Blizzard now mean nothing it is not a proof anymore

15-20 years ago yes but now no

[inner finch]

I would like to imagine QA from such a large company would have some standards

[fervent lintel]

In many ways it's a black mark

[inner finch]

I also see EHG added some recruiters

[main frigate]

It mean more than GGG on employees?

[tawny spire]

looking at the future plans of EHG they are taking activition 10 cent approach instead of home aproach - so game will either die quick or slow we will see

hope they change it because I love this game

even if they can't fix bugs from launch

[proud steppe]

i love the game too but the bet is too much risky

[fervent lintel]

There isn't another option that isn't just "shut it down"

[inner finch]

Technically, there's a very very slim chance that down the line Krafton will spin EHG out to another company or to the free market

[proud steppe]

the console port will either a succes either the dead

i have a mixed 50/50

and i am really too much optimist

[fervent lintel]

Console port will probably go well

Not perfect, but well

[onyx dune]

how much is the dlc gonna be lol

[main frigate]

Let's fix current game at first... Otherwise most players will not consider to purchase dlc

[proud steppe]

for console i believe it will be this : 70 the base game 30 for the expansion and 15 for each class

[onyx dune]

for pc

[zinc blaze]

believe thats unknown

[proud steppe]

the dev have said the expansion on pc will be freee ( for those who posssess the game ) but the classes no

[fervent lintel]

I don't think dlc will be separate purchase for console. Will probably just be $60-70 bundle

[zinc blaze]

I think there was another announcement that when a new paid dlc thing comes out the previous becomes free?

someone talked about that earlier

[onyx dune]

idk, the retail executives who make these pricing decisions are so dogshlt

[proud steppe]

you know there is a saying where i live who said All work deserves compensation

[inner finch]

That doesnt exist in some parts of the world

[onyx dune]

🤮

this game doesn't even have collision-data for shooting stuff off of cliffs, it's ghetto POE

[balmy arrow]

halooooooooo

[onyx dune]

it behooves the devs to stop trying to following these idiotic e-marketing trends

🤮

[inner finch]

how dare they...

[zinc blaze]

👋

[brazen bane]

This one-time payment will be all that a player will have to spend to have the complete Last Epoch experience and be on the same footing as other players.

Last Epoch - Abyssal Legend Supporter Pack - $39.99
Subtotal $39.99
Total $39.99
Last Epoch - Eternal Vanquisher Supporter Pack - $39.99
Subtotal $39.99
Total $39.99
Ultimate Edition Upgrade

[south moat]

What's your point here?

[inner finch]

i can confirm these are products with prices

[fervent lintel]

To my point earlier about the price of cosmetics, it's very strange to me that games always overprice them so wildly. What is just a reskin or some special effects can range from $10-60+ (depending on the game and the mtx in question)--and I'm just like, "That's 10x what I would actually want to pay for something like that."

I don't expect EHG will slashthe price by 90%, but I am pretty confident that at least 50% across the board--and not just as a sale--would be more than made up in volume of purchases.

[zinc blaze]

thats a math equation, the best price to money made ratio is targeting whales

[fervent lintel]

I think people just believe that