💬┃general

[woven sentinel]

ah

but passives/skills will be from maxrolls

[willow sentinel]

Looks giga solid

You should bust his butt

I dont agree with maxroll gloves

But thats fine

[woven sentinel]

oh? which gloves would u recommend?

[willow sentinel]

Exalted Eternal Gauntlet

You are giving AS to your bear, his autos are negigable compared to the dmg EQ will do

T7 Attunement on Rings ????

[woven sentinel]

yep

t7 strength

[willow sentinel]

Why ???

You want str not att

[woven sentinel]

yeah i did strength

[willow sentinel]

Is that a you mistake in the planner

?

Ah nice

[woven sentinel]

yep my mistake lol

[willow sentinel]

Scared me for a bit

[woven sentinel]

T7 strength on both rings

[willow sentinel]

No Cleaver Solution ??

You aint reaching 180 Attributes to enable your RRs

You will be not very tanky

[woven sentinel]

i got 2x Naals

[willow sentinel]

Oh but you dont have the passive in the planner

[woven sentinel]

yeah

i didnt set up the passives/skills yet

ill do that now, 2mins

[willow sentinel]

Dw

I did it

You should have enough

Depends on your rolls

Make sure it adds to 180

Otherwise you are missing a lot of DR

[woven sentinel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ow9l9k9Q

[slow cloud]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Primalist (24) / Beastmaster (74) / Shaman (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,966, Regen: 188.4/s
▸ Mana: 196.51, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 104 Str / 13 Dex / 13 Int / 22 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 91% / 66% / 106% / 183% / 104% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 926
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,394)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 32%

Used skills:

Summon Bear / Swipe / Earthquake / Warcry / Maelstrom

[woven sentinel]

that should be everything 😄 with my gear

187 total Attributes

[willow sentinel]

Smth like this would be much better imo

You still want some AS for you so your Ramp up is faster

Berserk + Shark

[woven sentinel]

okay i could try hunt for them on mg

[willow sentinel]

More Armor, More Dot Mitigation

More Hp

[woven sentinel]

found 1 with t5 hybrid health, 7t melee attack, t5 strength but only t1 poision resistance

[willow sentinel]

Seal Psn, craft the missing res

[woven sentinel]

4 forge only 🙁

[willow sentinel]

Eternal Gauntlet

Julra

[woven sentinel]

ah, but would above be okay for now?

the gloves i said

[willow sentinel]

The Julra ?

[woven sentinel]

na the eternal gaunlets i found

[willow sentinel]

Oh yeah, imo you are going to stomp his butt

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, yeah

This is just to make the fight easier

Have you train the fight a bit ?

You are not in Hardcore, arent you ?

[woven sentinel]

noooo not hardcore god damn

i would cry if i died with that gear in hardcore lol

[willow sentinel]

Alright, then go die 10 times against him to learn the fight and you will be good ^^

You have a ton of dmg

You might even perma stun him

[woven sentinel]

any blessings i should focus on rn whilst im reflect and can easily kill the bosses

and have over 170 keystones lol

[willow sentinel]

Crit avoidance

You really dont want to get crit during the fight

[woven sentinel]

okay so reign of dragons 😄

what about +amour from spirit?

[willow sentinel]

Imo i would even swap then farm the blessing with the bear

And insta kill the bosses

[woven sentinel]

haha my reflect pretty much insta kills the bosses anyways 😄

only aim for that blessing? or any more priority ones?

[willow sentinel]

I mean , if they are all a priority, none of them are

Also check the blessing lady

You might already have well rolled blessing

[woven sentinel]

yeah i have the amour one almost maxed

280/320 +amour

195% health regen lol damn 😄 i forgot i had all these lol

okay got my blessings 😄 now time to swap after a 5min break haha

[green ore]

What would be the absolute tankiest uberroth farmer build this season?

[woven sentinel]

if your still around, what should my skill bar be?

[willow sentinel]

Have you read the guide ?

[woven sentinel]

maxrolls?

yeah im following that 😄

[willow sentinel]

They tell you what you should have on your skill bar (you dont need EQ but you need the rest)

[willow sentinel]

Judgement ??

[half badger]

Any recos what mastery/ies use spear as main weapon?

[willow sentinel]

Sentinel

[green ore]

Wasn't that nerfed?

[woven sentinel]

ah what would u recommend instead of earthquake as i went with earthquake lol

[willow sentinel]

Yes but we got Blossom

So you get a lot more tanky

You need a source of cleanse

[willow sentinel]

No, I thought you meant on your bar , like in game when you play

You dont need to equip EQ but you need to specc into it

[woven sentinel]

ah

i spec and equipped

[willow sentinel]

You dont need to equip EQ since you wont be using it

[woven sentinel]

ah ok

[willow sentinel]

But really, did you actually read the guide ? Or just follow the planner ?

[woven sentinel]

time to farm some corrupt to lvl up the skills 😄

[willow sentinel]

Because there are a few tricks to maximise the build

[woven sentinel]

followed the skills planner 🙁

[willow sentinel]

Give it a quick read

[woven sentinel]

yeah reading 😄

yeah i have fury leap on

[stoic frigate]

If I had a dollar....

Oh hey. An Eagles react. Haven't seen you for a bit, how's it going, homie?

[main frigate]

I wish everyone have a money hill so... 99% troubles, illness, negatives and bad things can be gone

[night marten]

just chillin outside of LE for a bit. fixin to start headin back

grinded some hades 2, went back to satisfactory a bit.

[stoic frigate]

Fair enough, dude :) good to see you again, few of us were wondering where you'd been lately lol

[night marten]

yeah, heard that this morning. lol. i still pop in evry now and then tho.

a lot harder to stay in the discord with hades. a lot less downtime. lol

i actually dont think i've turned on my pc in like, 2 weeks now

[willow sentinel]

Playing Hades on Steam Deck ?

[night marten]

switch

wait, no. lmao. yes steam for hades 2

[main frigate]

do you use discord on mobile?

[night marten]

mobile sometimes, yes. but most of my 'modding' is on pc cuz modding on mobile is shieeeeet

[woven sentinel]

hmm how are the people stunning uber, so confused how to proc that

[willow sentinel]

Big hit = stun

[woven sentinel]

so close 25%

[steep river]

The math is listed here https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/stun along with a note for bosses

Uber Aberroth stats here https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/UberAterroth

[woven sentinel]

i can stun now no problem, just getting frustrated as getting so close

[dreamy thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-post-this-cat-18-gif-6317995898962431758

[mellow skiff]

https://streamable.com/pdkl0m?src=player-page-share

p/s: guy i need some advice on this video link i send , want to ask how do i enter the Altar Of Oblivion level here ? no matter how i press the button , i can't enter is there something wrong with the steps?? thanks for reply

[chilly ember]

the video is unavailable, but if you’re referring to entering aberroth, have you defeated all 10 harbingers first?

[main frigate]

228595 members here 14 days ago

[pastel summit]

<@&1161418687471956101> scam spam

[regal finch]

if only deleting messages would also roll back the unread messages markers 😩

[cold ermine]

what do i type in my stash to see items below a level treshold????

[shadow nebula]

@dull lake why is fullscreen not true fullscreen its just borderrless fullscreen?

[deep quartz]

Is there a reason the quest log was removed?

https://puu.sh/KCvH9/4452bbb6ce.png

pressing J does nothing

[regal finch]

i think it's just stuff like <lvl34 or <lvl60. there was a page for advanced stash search somewhere

[deep quartz]

I seem to have completed all the quests necesarry for all my idol slots, or should have, but I'm missing one

and there's no way to see completed side quests

and I noticed the quest log seems to have been removed

there's the quests on the map but you can't search

and it doesn't seem to show all side quests

[regal finch]

not who you @'ed, but games just sort of collectively stopped doing exclusive fullscreen a while ago. i think it's something about compatibility with overlays, streaming and alt-tabbing.

[deep quartz]

as some I just went to try and restart I've apparently compelted already but not showing on the map

[regal finch]

the map shows active quests on pressing Shift, but can't remember if it show completed anywhere. i think all such quests are in towns with merchants? dunno how slot unlocking works, could try doing a dungeon you didn't do before and maybe it'll give remaining idols?

[cold ermine]

yeah tried that, doesnt work

[willow sentinel]

Please #rules 10 don't ping EHG members

[deep quartz]

Right. there used to be a quest log. you can even see screen caps of it on the wiki. it showed completed stuff in a list

[dusty peak]

Hi. I'm a recent player, just joined the merchant's guild for first time. What's the quickest way to level it up so I can start to buy more stuff. Do I level up the factin by listing stuff for sale or from actually selling stuff, and what early game stuff sells?

[willow sentinel]

Just by listing you lvl up

[tropic cove]

Are you sure you are missing slot?

The middle slot is locked

[dusty peak]

So i guess just list anything and not worry too much about whether it sells?

[willow sentinel]

Correct

[dusty peak]

Thanks

[shadow nebula]

thats dumb

then why put fullscreen there anyways

[indigo copper]

@simple bison Hey! Didn't want to bother the devs in group chat or anything, but I figured I should let a moderator know: there's bots and scammers in the server right now who are imitating EHG staff, with fake names and matching PFPs, Discord descriptions, the works.

The one I just got pinged by was a fake Wick with an underscore after their name and a very poor emoji-based replica of Wick's bio. :_V:

[simple bison]

Please DM @grand geyser with details

[young night]

btw trolli popsicles are confusing

nephew gave me one to try and its like a gummy and popsicle ><

[wanton tartan]

I didn't know a navida RTX 3060 card was recommended for last epoch I have a gtx 1650 pc

[simple bison]

Recommend != Required

Although the minimum requirement is stated as a 1060 which is a little faster than a gtx 1650

[wanton tartan]

Could I still run the game?

[simple bison]

Sorry I can't make any guarantees, it is below the minimum requirement so it would be rough I'd imagine

[dark holly]

It would appear the answer is “who cares if they die”

[tardy bison]

they revive pretty quick lol

their sacrifices are valued

[simple bison]

Yep

[wanton tartan]

The game actually doesn't run bad on my gtx 1650

it lags a little in multiplayer but I assume that's bescially of my connection rn

[simple bison]

Nice, yeah it's generally not very gpu heavy in my experience but I wasn't sure how it would run on a 1650 since I haven't seen anyone playing the game on something comparable

Usually people are bound by the CPU or ram in LE

[half badger]

Hello! Any recos on a similar playstyle to Sabertooth Beastmaster? I enjoyed its high burst damage, can face tank, and can melt bosses in seconds. However, what I didnt like is that I’m reliant to the minion, I want this time to get the damage from the character itself.

[simple bison]

If you want to be tanky with good damage your best options are either sentinel or lich I'd imagine, I'd say sentinel is more straight forward to get going/gear. Prob something like erasing strike

If you want fast hitting there's also VK warpath

[bright silo]

New to the game, I was wondering the uniques that I don't need, is there a option to dismantle it or just sell it to shop?

[simple bison]

If you don't plan on ever using a unique you might as well not pick it up. You can filter them out. They don't really sell for enough to be worth picking up and there's no dismantle mechanic for uniques

[bright silo]

Thank you

Yeah, I need to look into that, I haven't set up a filter yet

[simple bison]

But if it's a unique you would use but it has a bad roll or low/no legendary potential there are uses, so keep those

As in its a unique you're using a better copy of if that makes sense

[copper sorrel]

Very likely yea. I played with a laptop mx 150 and i could even play with a friend or two in the beninging. But nowadays some mobs are giving me insane fps drops.
Your graphical unit is much better than mine tho.

[mellow skiff]

o.....i think i need to complete this first from where can i check how HB that i defeated thanks

[sonic sinew]

wassuop anybody here ??

[lime pine]

Hey guys, i have question. How does the alternate levelling (skip campaign) work exactly? It's the first time i do more than one toon per season so i never tried to use it before. I thought i had to go through a dungeon to get my idol slots/passive points but after beating T1 Lightless Arbor boss i didn't receive anything. Do i have to get through all 3 dungeons (in which case it's hardly a "campaign skip"), or am i supposed to beat a higher tier as level a 20-25 character? 🤔

[willow sentinel]

When you exit the dungeon you should get 2 passives and 1 idol slot

And it moves you foward in the story line (you exit at the lake)

[lime pine]

Ah, so it's only a slight shortcut rather than a true "campaign skip". Ok, i'll probably just do the whole campaign then, especially since it didn't progress the main quest at. Thanks, i thought from some comments i had seen that it allowed to skip the rest of the campaign entirely.

[woven sentinel]

hey

hows it going?

[willow sentinel]

Studying

[woven sentinel]

oo nice, gonna do more uber and learn the fight more, can comfortably get it down to 50%

[main frigate]

Awaking

[woven sentinel]

this uber fight lol

[willow sentinel]

Did you got him? Or not yet?

[woven sentinel]

not yet

keep doing stupid crap and dying

okay now its the regen phase of boss grrr

gotta love the of the sound cute of harbringer dying but showing still alive lol

[bold axle]

So what's everyone predicting - Dec, Jan, or Feb onwards for next season?

[woven sentinel]

im predicting not gonna get uber done before end of season

[south moat]

I'd bet it's january
Dont' think they wanna release too close to christmas

[woven sentinel]

just last phase come on, 🙁

[south moat]

You can do it

[woven sentinel]

just keep getting caught in stupid shit

[patent spear]

ballista end of jokes video is out now ^^

[woven sentinel]

wasnt even in that slam then and it killed me 🙁

[woven sentinel]

this is getting so annoying lol

i died to a blackhole that wasnt there? okay

FINALLY

[willow sentinel]

Gg!

[woven sentinel]

ty ty 😄

[main frigate]

No one knows, but I hope before Jan. 16th :)

[woven sentinel]

doing 1 more attempt at another run, then going for food but happy i managed to kill 😄

[patent spear]

ballista more fun video is out now ! enjoy ! 🙂

or not

[median perch]

After playing Ballista for 8 months, I no longer feel that way

The last time Rogue excited me was the Ballista Bomber

[patent spear]

everything is ephemere

[void hatch]

When is the next PoE2 season? It will be a week earlier

[worldly valve]

who cares about poe dammit

[patent spear]

poe=an other community

[patent spear]

it's last epoch here, so you know.

wrong chat

[void hatch]

It's a joke guys..

[dusty peak]

With acid flask's "explosive flask", does poison count as physical and get converted to fire, or is it just lost? I saw a build with "explosive flask" and the "caustic concotion", "lasting sickness" and "knowledge of immunity", which doesn't make sense if poison is just lost.

[patent spear]

if you saw it, believe it.

[young night]

whats the generally best site for leveling builds?

[buoyant turret]

maxroll and icy veins have some. you can get through the campaign on whatever though

[young night]

ty

[tropic cove]

You don't really need help levelling, the game isn't that hard

[green ore]

I'd wager most of us care about PoE or PoE 2

[rotund ice]

Is it worth doing rifts early game? The boss takes like 5 mins to take down and feels super slow

[buoyant turret]

the primordial uniques are super strong and some of them have a pretty low level requirement. if the build you are shooting for uses one endgame its worth it to start farming mats

[rotund ice]

okay ty

[buoyant turret]

the amulet alone when you finish an evolution gives + to skills

[elfin vortex]

I just made the best decision ever since I started my Last Epoch adventure today !

I uninstalled the game

[elfin vortex]

Depends on your build, for my paladin outside of two of them, they are all useless

The ward armor is the most usefull for me and maybe the relic that buffs your non unique idols stats

[buoyant turret]

not every build uses them, and they cant all be relevant to every build either. i know my first char was primalist this league and getting the trex at lvl 30 and change was a huge boost

[cobalt fable]

they didnt respect the competition this cycle, and look what happened

[tropic cove]

Rule #1 does not state I can't use emojis to react

Don't warn me again

[honest belfry]

The clown emoji is used to call people stupid. We don't allow it here.

[tropic cove]

I've used it for years right here in this discord.

People say disrespectful things, I use an emoji rather than stating anything insulting

[honest belfry]

And it gets removed everytime. It’s not allowed

[tropic cove]

It never got removed before and you never changed the rule

Change your rules, don't make up interpretations or assumptions

[simple bison]

Calling someone a clown (pretty much what reacting with a clown emoji is) is disrespectful, which breaks rule #1.

If someone is breaking the rules the answer isn't to also break them in response, let us know and we'll handle it.

[south moat]

Oh hi Eagles, good to see you

[green ore]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[main frigate]

👀 A wild Wick was here! Oh no, Wick is sneaked.

[strange umbra]

.>

<.<

[main frigate]

^.^

[heady mountain]

Last Epoch worth giving a try? Last time i played was season 1 i think..

[willow sentinel]

Sounds like you already bought the game

But yeah, even if season 3 itself wasn't as good. The game is in its best state

[green ore]

in Homer voice: Its best state so far

[heady mountain]

Is it season 3 now?

[south moat]

yes

[heady mountain]

when does it end?

[south moat]

Not announced yet.

Probably december or january

[patent spear]

just wanted to say that i've got a lot of fun with season 3 !!! cya for season 4 ! thx everyone ❤️

[leaden onyx]

might be a dumb question, but for endgame builds with gear requirements like flay mana lich, how do you transition into them? do you need another character to reach endgame first?

[inner finch]

You can just respec when you have all the needed items

[leaden onyx]

what would be a good acolyte build to follow before mana lich? would just the leveling guide suffice?

[inner finch]

There are some notable ones, like Warlock and Cthonic Fissure

[willow sentinel]

Melee flay?

[magic merlin]

tips for begineer 🙂

i switch from wow and diablo 😄

[willow sentinel]

Try stuff first, don't look guide now

Take a feel for the game

Dont overcap your res

[strong echo]

Seasons are largely unnecessary, uness you want a fresh econ for trading or to chase ladder. You miss out on nothing by playing legacy, and get to use all your stuff, shards, items and chars

[mint breach]

I assume after a season ends your character just becomes legacy?

[simple bison]

Correct

[lilac temple]

season content available on legacy characters is great in my opinion

[outer lily]

Speaking of which, could we please remove reaction emojis to #feedback an #suggestions.
While I see the benefit of gauging the server opinion about said feedback/suggestion, it is frequently used to just be mean with clown or facepalm emojis. Besides, individual feedback is intended for the studio and shouldn't need "community approval".

<@&1161418687471956101> here too

[lilac temple]

wow

[simple bison]

Long boi

[short locust]

man, fighting rampant coast as melee feels like having 2dm long arms

[young night]

i have to disagree there, i think community approval (albiet with emojis) is good feedback for the studio

[cursive hemlock]

When is new league does anyone know?

[short locust]

same

[viral spoke]

Hello, is there anyone available to give me an Uber Aberroth carry? I play on CoF if that matters.

[night marten]

There is no public date. Just the roughly 4 months puts it late december. Which is sketchy at best

[magic moth]

Late december is poe2 again. It will be eternal war then. Someone needs to break cursed cycle

[tender goblet]

Hey all - with what sounds like a few months left of this season, would it be a good time for a new player to start?

[simple bison]

You can start now, I'd recommend going legacy though just to make things easier, there's no difference in content or anything

[mint breach]

how does legacy make it easier? Newb here

[reef dock]

genuinely no reason to play season at all unless you 1) really like trading with MG (and this is only true at season start), 2) like a forced reset

[simple bison]

It doesn't, gameplay wise it's the exact same, but the seasonal characters get merged into legacy at the end of each season. So you might as well just make a legacy character right away instead of having to deal with the migration later

The only reason to make a seasonal character is for a fresh start basically

but you have that either way

[mint breach]

at the start of the new season, does the character get reset? i assumed it just went legacy like in diablo 4.

[simple bison]

yes it goes to legacy

[mint breach]

so nothing changed other than the title?

i guess im confused on what you mean by migration

[reef dock]

yep, there's no functional gameplay difference

seasonal characters cannot play with legacy characters, share stash, etc.

separate realms

[mint breach]

ohhh fair enough. ty!

[pearl orbit]

@simple bison ive had luck running that shield on frostbite mage solely bc the 300% freeze rate for snowdrift

even then its worse than any 2h and every other affix on it sucks

[simple bison]

You're one of the 3 people I mentioned :P

[pearl orbit]

I've probably tried using every unique that exists to make a build with at this point

moenia mentis is my honorable mention for an item that is almost good enough

I do think about half the uniques in the game serve no functional purpose though

[tender goblet]

how's the controller support?

I think I'm gonna purchase it, just deciding it I want the ultimate edition or basic now lol

[simple bison]

I've actually played with it, at around 500 or so corruption you can be literally immortal in echoes depending on your setup

The main issue with it is that LE right now isn't a death by a thousand cuts game, you only die when you get obliterated and it doesn't help much there lul

[carmine smelt]

Kind of a general ARPG thing I feel, slow deaths can be avoided, you just back out or play slow, or log out if in HC

[simple bison]

To be fair I think LE is kind of in an extreme spot even then. Like in LE aegis aurora is really good even on very high end content with the right setup, LE simply doesn't let us get to that point defensively for things like moenia mentis to shine

Like you can never really reduce the big bonk attacks into dealing 100 damage to you

At over 1k corruption

[carmine smelt]

All the builds that could do that sort of thing were deemed broken

[simple bison]

And I agree with that

Imo being immortal is far more busted than having insane damage

This is also just a natural result of infinite scaling tbh

[carmine smelt]

Well I think it's fine that the big slow telegraphed attacks will kill you, but in LE sometimes you randomly encounter something that does way more damage than it should for a normal looking attack

[simple bison]

If corruption capped at let's say 500 or something builds like this would instantly become really good and popular I bet

[carmine smelt]

And I'm not even talking about extreme corruption

[simple bison]

Oh yeah I 100% agree

LE has some of the most telegraphed attacks of any arpg to the point where if you get hit by them you deserve to die imo

Obviously I'm talking about big bonk attacks and not in general

[carmine smelt]

Like the covenant of dominion fire guy that has the really fast small circle with the wonky hit box

Or spirit barrage

Or the old avalanche wengari

Or axe thrower things

[simple bison]

Yeah. Honestly I think a monolith/corruption rework/overhaul is needed (we've been saying this since before 1.0 tbh)

I think it could make the game way healthier in a lot of ways

Depending on what is done of course

[carmine smelt]

There just isn't much incentive to build tank unless you play HC

[simple bison]

Yep

[carmine smelt]

And even then, damage is pretty important too

If you kill boss instantly no risk of mistake

[simple bison]

The setup I did was actually super whacky lmao, it was a dodge block build where you'd use unarmed judgement for damage and warpath otherwise

[carmine smelt]

Plus if you go full damage not only are you ignoring a lot of rippy stuff, you also farm faster, progress faster, etc.

[simple bison]

It sounds weird but echo wise it was actually solid

[carmine smelt]

Lmao

[simple bison]

Bossing wise it was meh, nothing special but not horrible

[carmine smelt]

I didn't know you played non shatterstrike

[balmy arrow]

[simple bison]

Lol, I have played every mastery to at least 300c. It's been a long time since I've played some now though

But yeah most my time is in shatter strike for sure

I enjoy theorycrafting other masteries and classes more than I do playing them generally

At least compared to shatter strike

[carmine smelt]

Same tbh

I've done sentinel and rogue to 1k+ primalist and warlock not so much. The old pre rework lightning bear was fun though

[simple bison]

Yeah most of that for me was pre 1.0 and I just didn't have it in me to go all the way to 1k back then on most of them

It took a lot longer than it does now

Plus I would be playing stuff like old tempest strike lmao

[carmine smelt]

1k was also massive task for everything but completely busted builds

[simple bison]

Yep

[carmine smelt]

Or mage that perma stun shade

[simple bison]

Good ol days

[pearl orbit]

rebalancing some of the big bonk attacks into smaller multiple hits would be the easiest route to put some power back into dodge rating/niche items like moenia etc imo

not the only solution just a straightforward one

5 hits of 200 is the same a 1 hit of 1000

but RNG like dodge and whatnot gets factored in a healthier way

[peak osprey]

a little rough but playable. it's not as good as poe2 but no arpg on the market is as good as poe2 in that department

[tender goblet]

Oh really?

[peak osprey]

controller support got massively improved a few patches ago

[tender goblet]

I have POE2 as well but haven't started it because everyone says it is not beginner friendly

[peak osprey]

(in LE, in poe2 its just good)

[tender goblet]

I am above average in baby arpg D4 but I hear POE2 is like a arpg and dark souls lol

[peak osprey]

the main thing that bothers me with LE controller gameplay is that it makes kiting trivial and you're kinda stuck doing perfect stutter step on some builds. I think poe2 designers understood this looks awkward and made it possible to walk slowly and shoot at the same time, for the same effect

but its not unplayable or anything, its just that the game isn't really designed around being a dual stick shooter

autoaim is pretty good, even on channels

I played a disintegrate (channeled laser) build with a controller, with no issue

[peak osprey]

its pretty hard but fun, you should check it out. it's a different genre than LE. LE is the best casual arpg PoE2 is the best tryhard one. But the campaign is completely doable for a casual, we play it in local coop with friends sometimes

[tender goblet]

LE is probably more tailored to me

[peak osprey]

honestly LE is the game Diablo 3 tried to be but failed. its really great in its niche

[tender goblet]

oo that's a really good sell

i loved diablo 3

the fly harvest lich looks really really enjoyable

[peak osprey]

yeah you'll like LE a lot then

[tender goblet]

flay*

[verbal dagger]

have played diablo for a while along with other various ARPG, i started LE a few days ago, and it seems great so far

seemingly a lot thrown at ya with passive, spec, crafting etc. not to mention i know nothing of endgame, but the gameplay and builds feel great so far

[tender goblet]

I'm buying it rn

do I need the ultimate pack? or is not just for cosmetics?

[peak osprey]

it's all cosmetics, nothing in this game is gated behind money other than vanity armors and such. you buy the game, you get the game, and all its future updates

[tender goblet]

nice, thanks

[pearl orbit]

the packs are all cosmetics

[tender goblet]

Installing now

big flay lich comin right up boys

[pearl orbit]

poggers

[tender goblet]

how's the end game loop compared to diablo say?

gear farm wise

can i kill a boss 1,000 times and hope for the same drop and slightly better stats?

if so ❤️

[peak osprey]

one thing LE has, which e.g. PoE or Grim Dawn (both great games) don't, is that LE makes it really hard to build something non-viable. you can just go on vibes and arrive at sth that works until the few dozen hours of endgame at least

you can make almost every skill combination work

no need for guides

just mess around with stuff

[pearl orbit]

yes but you won't need to do it 1000 times. also judging by your attitude you might enjoy Circle of Fortune when asked about item factions in the midgame. it's one of the highlights of LE

the end loop is better than d3 and d4 in every way imo

[tender goblet]

Appreciate it. I will look into it. I am hoping to be into the midgame TONIGHT. big hype

that's amazing to hear I am hyped up

It's almost done installing

[peak osprey]

kind of but targeted farming isn't really a thing, you can farm a few uniques from specific bosses but other than that you just do content. and yeah, if you want to play without trade, you can mess with the drop chances a fair bit via prophecies

[tender goblet]

I saw it has a full offline mode which was pretty interesting as well

[pearl orbit]

throwback to pre 1.0 when people targeted item nodes on specific timelines

rip

[peak osprey]

the best endgame items are semi-randomly found through fusing a unique item and a rare (exalted)

there's a dungeon that allows it

[pearl orbit]

let the guy discover himself, that's half the fun

[tender goblet]

oh no i am a planner ahahaah

i need to read and learn it all first

[peak osprey]

fair point. anyway, the legendary system is the best part of LE imo

[tender goblet]

make no mistakes on my first playthrough

min max to the top

😄

[peak osprey]

bc you can turn something really odd and kinda useless into a build-around chase item

[tender goblet]

then when i am 600hrs in and realize i made a ton of mistake i start over 😄

[peak osprey]

if you roll good legendary potential on it and have luck with the fusion

so especially if you play self found you can get pretty crazy builds

[tender goblet]

I am trying to convince my D4 friends to come play

I love farming my own gear

that's the best

[peak osprey]

also, LE has the best crafting system of all arpgs, so there's that

[pearl orbit]

CoF

It's SSF, but with bonus loot drops and targeted farming bonuses

[steady snow]

I just got my first character (necro summoner) to monoliths. I want to play something just a bit more engaging that's still easy to play. Is Maxroll the best resource for guides and tier lists?

[tender goblet]

ok download is done hype!

[pearl orbit]

@tender goblet ||https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/|| and ||https://www.lastepochtools.com/ ||databases and planners and whatnot on these sites. maxroll has some too. since you like to minmax. have fun, go nuts

[tender goblet]

Appreciate that so much I am about to spend the next 120 hours building a lich

[pearl orbit]

one of the most fun necro builds i've tried recently is zombies where you use chaos bolts to blow them up

[steady snow]

Does the Beastmaster Frog build play much differently than the Necromancer, or are all summon builds going to be pretty similar to pilot?

[pearl orbit]

you'll be in melee range smacking stuff alongside your frogs

and dont have dread shade to recast

its different ish but zoo is zoo

[steady snow]

That makes sense, thanks! There are so many builds, it's hard to figure out what to try next.

Are there many builds you can actually play from the leveling process to the endgame, or is everything really balanced around swapping from a leveling build to your final setup after the campaign?

[pearl orbit]

many, once you unlock the skills at least, since most skills are gated behind a certain level

you dont have to swap

some people choose to level with a certain skill because its more efficient timewise

like sentinel players often level with hammer throw or later on javelin because you will be clearing faster than warpath, even if your end goal is warpath

kind of depends I guess. but you can just play 1 skill, totally fine to do

you're playing acolyte.. you'll see some players who are trying to minmax leveling pick warlock, because cthonic fissure is goated for leveling, and later on swap to necro or lich in monos

[steady snow]

I see. I thought leveling up one character first would make it easy to decide what to do next and maybe farm up some leveling gear, but now there are too many choices!

[pearl orbit]

respeccing is cheap and easy so do it as much as you like

you regain the levels lost from unspeccing a skill much faster than the first time gaining those levels

in the endgame you regain all levels in like under 30 seconds lol

[tardy burrow]

what? frogs beastmaster is ranged summoner lol

bear is the melee one

[pearl orbit]

I'm not aware of it being played ranged. Do you have a planner?

[tardy burrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bjb66evB

[slow cloud]

Beastmaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (73) / Druid (20)

General:

▸ Health: 3,361, Regen: 864.8/s
▸ Mana: 284.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 451%, Regen: 252/s
▸ Attributes: 201 Str / 81 Dex / 201 Int / 47 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 159% / 87% / 78% / 91% / 75% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 66%, Threshold: 1,148
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (324)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,916)

Used skills:

Summon Wolf / Summon Frenzy Totem / Fury Leap / Warcry / Eterra's Blessing

[tardy burrow]

your playstyle is just run and rotate 4 skills: howl, warcry, leap, totem

[pearl orbit]

Ok it's a no attack setup

yeah I see

[steady snow]

Cool, thanks for sharing that!

[tardy burrow]

im going to play bear again also

gotta make t7 crit inheritance amulet...

[pearl orbit]

bear was my season starter

it's unethical

slow echo clearspeed tho

[steady snow]

How does Warpath VK compare to Judgement Paladin for monoliths, assuming one is starting out with beginner-level gear?

[pearl orbit]

i dont think you can go wrong with either one

im biased towards paladin tho

[steady snow]

Is it pretty straightforward to pilot?

I'm old and slow, no more twitchy reflexes here 🙂

[frank bramble]

warpath is just press a button and spin, for bosses is press few more buttons and spin again, quite straightforward, leech is nice, damage as well

[steady snow]

Do you hold the key down or is there a way to lock it?

[tardy burrow]

Warpath is much faster if you are comparing to classic JD

[frank bramble]

i mean warpath should be used on right mouse button so you just press it and run over everything

[tardy burrow]

JD is boring and slow af

[frank bramble]

yeah warpath seems more dynamic

[tardy burrow]

same, but i switched to frogs cuz im too lazy to stack maelstrome

[sly zinc]

I'm even lazier, I went to Reflectadin

[tardy burrow]

i play reflect druid too

[sly zinc]

I started as the reflect shaman, but found out that greatly prefer paladin

[tardy burrow]

but no idea why i enjoy frogs the most

even when i press more buttons when playing frogs

[tardy burrow]

paladin such tanky

same to FG

[pearl orbit]

referring to reflect druid as "playing" is a bit of a stretch

[sly zinc]

I'm walking here!

[pearl orbit]

i made a combination of thicket and hands of judgement paladin

total abomination of a build

very fun and i hope it dies in a fire after this season ends

[sly zinc]

I'm just thicket and rebuke

[tardy burrow]

i like reflect druid cuz of bear morph

its giga fast farming

you dont need to be tanky for farming at 1kc

[pearl orbit]

yeah i did hands so i'd have single target dps as well. since both are attunement scalars you doubledip

[sly zinc]

you can get a reflect shaman cooking, speed-wise, too

[pearl orbit]

i think shaman is better than druid for it

[sly zinc]

I agree

[tardy burrow]

shaman has better dps but slower in movespeed

[pearl orbit]

imo thicket allows the playstyle of "not playing the game" walking simulator... it's not a good design for the health of the game

id rather the item never been created in the first place

[tardy burrow]

most likely get nerf in next patch

but i like how they still leave it here in current patch

the build isnt that OP compare to many builds that farm 2kc+ like a joke

just... super boring... and uninteractive

[pearl orbit]

ok but heres the issue: if its nerfed to do a lot less damage, its no longer a build around item, and thus other chest items will just overtake it since you cant viably play this way anymore. if its nerfed in a small way that nothing changes, then nothing changes. i think this is an example of a design problem, not a balancing one

its not about being OP, its about making a build that plays itself

[tardy burrow]

build around item is fine as frog is like that also

a single helm enables new build

[pearl orbit]

frog requires you to play the game

that is fine

[tardy burrow]

maybe there would be buttons required to get reflect dmg

or procs...

[steady snow]

What skills did you level with before your frog build came online?

[tardy burrow]

lightning bear, sorry i meant this https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/druid-leveling-guide

[pearl orbit]

thorn totem is my goto primalist leveling ability

leveling primalist is pain

[steady snow]

Cool, thanks!

[frank bramble]

yep i very very very much agree with it, on the other side i can understand some people playing reflect builds because they are quite simple and easy to play but then they quit because reflect boring xD if it was more engaging it would make more sense but yeah it's not

made quite a big bank with reflect idols this season so can't complain about that

[pearl orbit]

theres a fine line between simple builds, which are fine, and builds that clear enemies with your hands never touching the keyboard/controller

i think the only way to save the item without remaking it is to make the effect a trigger of some kind

so it only reflects damage while you are actually doing something

[carmine smelt]

You are overpowered while playing the video game

fixed

[pearl orbit]

lol

the lack of damage numbers is pretty funny too

[carmine smelt]

reflect damage doesn't show numbers?

can't say I've played it so I wouldn't know xd

[pearl orbit]

thicket does not show damage numbers.

enemies just die

[carmine smelt]

does reflect damage normally show numbers?

it is "reflect damage" right?

[pearl orbit]

tbh I never tried playing a reflect damage without involving shield throw or thicket so I never paid much attention to it. I could test it rn

[pearl orbit]

yes it has its own damage type

the mysterious hidden reflect type

[carmine smelt]

It could just be how reflect is coded, since it's normally only dealt when you receive damage and a few other cases that also do their own damage / add it to a skill or something

[pearl orbit]

likely yes

[carmine smelt]

but I think the skills that benefit from reflect are like "gain x flat per reflect" as a scaling mechanic, not actually dealing reflect type damage?

[pearl orbit]

yes

[carmine smelt]

makes sense then, weird stuff

[pearl orbit]

thicket and enemies actually hitting you are the only sources afaik

[carmine smelt]

probably UI bug with reflect type damage then

[frank bramble]

i remember that meme rebuke ring of shields build with apostate before nerf, shit was hilarious

it also used reflect iirc

[pearl orbit]

lol how much flat health did apostate have

like 600?

[frank bramble]

shitload

[pearl orbit]

I just remember it being best in slot for nearly every build because of the health stat

[frank bramble]

like 480-540 or sth like that

360-480 just checked

[broken trench]

it doesn't and won't from what has been said since it doesn't follow the normal damage flow

[muted cape]

I got a reflect build from 5 years ago and ye no damage numbers, enemies health bars just go down and they die

[sage nymph]

Just checking back in, is this game doing well? Any new info on roadmap or new content?

Hyped to play but the content draught is hard to work around for me currently

[willow sentinel]

No road map yet

But content draught??

We had a new season 2 months ago

And the one before was 6 months ago (we are on a 4 months cadence)

[sage nymph]

Ill rephrase, theres no satisfying grind after Uberoth and double t7 slams on all LP2s and that is like 100~hours of playing. Ive done this on 2 characters but doing it on a fourth is meh imo

Im on the last epoch hype ship, love the games crispness and overall mechanics. But dumping hundreds of hours for 3t7 imprints and just running troves endlessly makes no sense to me as its fresh again in S4.

[severe socket]

Very valid PoV, imo.

[sand heart]

I've said it before, but I'll happily say it again. The two factions are mutually exclusive in terms of gearing. They should feed into each other instead of being walled off as two separate systems. Even within the Merchant Faction, when something has been bought in the Bazaar it can't even be resold. I mean, what the heck...? The game works in essence almost as account-self-found, what with the exorbitant prices that people charge for LP 2 and above. I've seen prices of 100s of millions in gear that never gets sold. It just sits there helping nobody and the guy who is selling it has either stopped playing or doesn't care.

[main frigate]

I don't get what the relationship between someone set exorbiyant prices and MG should feed into COF

[sand heart]

Both would work to cut down the 100s of hours of playtime needed to get LP3 gear. Sorry if that was unclear.

[median perch]

You should suggest to them to limit the time items are listed on the market, which might help reduce this situation

[sand heart]

I have thought of that actually. It's a good point.

[carmine smelt]

You saying people should have both MG and COF? Then there is no COF

[median perch]

Actually, after they updated the market's search system multiple times, I still couldn’t use it to find what I wanted. For example, I just want to search for items with 2 or 3 tier-7 affixes without having to select specific affixes, and there’s so much junk on there that I’ve given up on this faction. Although rolling prophecies daily takes up even more of my time

[pearl orbit]

Lower MG population this season, esp this late into the season is probably the biggest factor in you not having a lot of options finding what you want.

MG is better the more people use it

and imo MG is far superior to CoF when it's popular

[sand heart]

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that what you currently have is 2 walled off systems. One where you "control" the gear you acquare via buying it. And another where you "control" the gear you acquire via prophecies. These systems are 100% independent of each other. And the restrictions within one of them: MG is too hard. What on earth is the reason for not being able to sell and MG item to other MG'ers? It makes no sense.

At the same time you have a systems where it literally takes either insane impossible luck or 100s of hours of playtime to get LP3 gear. Compared to most other ARPGs to get to endgame takes a looot of time.

What I propose is to look into having the 2 factions feed into eachother instead of being mutually exclusive. I am sure that could be done while still maintaining the strengths of each faction.

The current situation is - IMO - not tenable.

[pearl orbit]

The seperation was always intended

MG is not too hard either

[sand heart]

I know.....but that's like saying nothing can ever change.

[pearl orbit]

You need to be a little more specific on 2lp+3lp gear. Items have a hidden LPL, and they appear at different rates for LP. A 4LP Peak is more common than a 2LP red ring. what exactly are you trying to buy?

[willow sentinel]

The point of no reselling is too avoid player playing the market instead of playing the game

[pearl orbit]

Something I appreciate greatly in LE. POE experiences massive hyperinflation from this, and you get serious FOMO if you aren't grinding currency just hours after a new season starts, you get behind and stay behind

Plus small groups of players can control the pricing of certain items completely

[sand heart]

I know there are points to everything I said. But ok...then let's just accept that LE is 100s of hours of grind. Whatever....

[carmine smelt]

Not every item is meant to be achievable. LP4 Red Ring for example is not meant to exist. Different uniques are balanced around their LP level. You could argue that is a design flaw but it's just as easily an expectation problem. Really powerful uniques aren't meant to also have 4 affixes on them.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/news/article/trade-item-factions-for-last-epoch---developer-overview-SOo0Ule6dNY here is the blog post from when item factions were released, you can read about why they did the things they did.

Also, for context LE was an offline singleplayer game first, unlike PoE. Part of that has always been a focus of finding loot, even for MG. As such there aren't really "PoE level" chase items in LE that would feel weird to buy without being able to resell. Also as vlad said, in most ARPGs with unrestricted trade, playing market becomes THE optimal way to play the game, which diminishes the loot finder aspect of ARPGs.

ALSO, if you allow COF perks for MG or trading for COF you defeat the entire purpose of COF existing in the first place. You would then need to balance the game around players having both, which means players who don't want to trade are just playing self imposed hard mode.

[pearl orbit]

What 3lp items are you aiming for hargir?

I tend to make my planners as 1%+ LP chance for a realistic endgame, and anything else is just a bonus

[willow sentinel]

RR,RV, Wing of Argentus
Nothing Crazy

[sand heart]

I am not referring to any specific items. I know that higher level means rarer items. But when you have 3lp level 40ish items going of 10s of millions them something is wrong.

[pearl orbit]

A lvl 40 required to equip item might not have a lvl 40 LPL. it can be a seperate number

its item by item

[carmine smelt]

Every ARPG is as much grind as you want it to be. This season I beat uber on Day 3 and got to 1000c on day 4. That's as much "beating the game" as you could expect. There is no reason to grind after that unless you want to set your own goals, which is an endless task, as designed.

[pearl orbit]

I had UA dead day 2. But, EQ bear. Doesn't count.

[carmine smelt]

If it stops being fun to endlessly grind better character, more power, etc. then just don't, you don't have to, it's fine to go play another game.

[sand heart]

Yeah go ahead...mock me

[willow sentinel]

I am not mocking, I am just making a joke

I have seen people actually be serious and say stuff like this

[carmine smelt]

For those of us who have been around for a while, the exact same argument almost verbatim comes up time to time

[pearl orbit]

I do think that LPL should be included on an item's tooltip, when someone holds control or alt over it, the more details section. And LPL should be included in the game guide. The game itself doesn't explain the concept at all afaik, you need to find out about it from the community

Unless that changed?

I'm not aware it did

[carmine smelt]

not really, still pretty obscure.

new players never really know how to judge whats a reasonable LP level

which is understandable

[pearl orbit]

Yeah thats fair tho

the game doesnt explain it

and its not intuitive

[willow sentinel]

Yup

[carmine smelt]

even looking at the wiki doesn't give you an idea of context unless you've actually farmed for some of these items

[willow sentinel]

Would not happen if lp were capped and you see 1 out of 3 lp or 2/2

[pearl orbit]

considering half the items have an LPL equal to their own level, and half the items have arbitrarily set values

[pearl orbit]

combined with rates of items being different too. global drops vs boss drops. 50% drops vs 5% drops. corruption influenced drops vs not. etc

I dont blame players for not getting it. not at all

its complicated and not explained well

[sand heart]

That information is on LastEpochTools though, and easy to see. That is NOT what I am referring to.

I see time and time again items that are on the market for 10s and 100s of millions that have been put for sale 30-40 days ago, when the season was fresh. Now they just sit there benefitting nobody. Put a timer on them and take them off the market, and force players to reevaluate their items if they are still play. That's one suggestion.

[carmine smelt]

LP cap feels both good and bad. For one, it sets expectations, which I think it good for newer players or to help understand the system. But it's also somewhat arbitrary and depending on where you set the cap it kinda removes some of that excitement of knowing it's technically possible to get something crazy, even if you wouldn't farm for it. I've had a handful of 1 in 20k LP drops and its pretty exciting, even if I don't farm for them.

[pearl orbit]

If the player who listed it stopped playing, how would removing market supply fix the issue?

Active players would relist around that price still

[sand heart]

Well there's is a chance that they haven't stopped playing

Would they?

The stupidity I see in the market suggests otherwise

[carmine smelt]

then they have to deal with their item not selling I don't understand. If they want the gold they will relist

[pearl orbit]

^

People want the gold

fuel their own builds

[carmine smelt]

If you list your house for sale and it doesn't sell for like 2 years, should you be forced to delist so you put it for a lower price? Probably not, if you want to sell you will reduce the price. If you don't care to sell then no amount of hand holding will change that

[pearl orbit]

I think this season MG just needed more players. and LE in general needs better player retention. It's less about MG not functioning and more about the overall game's state

My only complaint with MG is listing items is super time consuming.

[sand heart]

People want the gold yes. To the point where they get a double T7 drop and then use Rune of Creation to duplicate it - then putting both copies up for sale. Without realizing that that makes the item completely useless to most players unless the other affixes on the item exactly match what those other players need

[willow sentinel]

Have you tried rerolling prophecies ????????

[carmine smelt]

Yea that's true, I found I spent a lot of time just sitting in bazaar zzz

[pearl orbit]

Yes, it's less painful than listing 300 items at once

[carmine smelt]

it doesn't because you can imprint it, people sell imprint bases

[pearl orbit]

even if you are posting solely t7

and good lp items

it can take you hours

[sand heart]

Fair point though

[carmine smelt]

once you buy a base though its tagged so you can't then resell

unless they changed that

[sand heart]

They didn't I'm sure

I had a drop yesterday that was tagged

[pearl orbit]

My dream would be bulk listing, you just shift+click a bunch of items from stash, then post them all for the same price. I usually put up my t7 affix ex for 100k, and being able to post them in one swoop would quite literally save me hours of playtime

[carmine smelt]

yea so thats one interesting aspect of MG vs COF, for MG getting the initial imprint base is hard but once you get it you can basically have your niche of the market where you print items. Some people will imprint bases then sell crafted items, others will just sell bases.

For COF you have a lot of bonuses to getting your imprint base, but once you have it you don't really have any bonus to getting more over MG

I will say though, I think LE would struggle to have the same itemization depth and longevity as PoE does with closed market and non resellable items. But maybe that's not all bad

PoE has build enabling items that only absolute giga tryhards would ever obtain SSF or market players in trade

LE doesn't really have that

[sand heart]

Maybe a system where you can remove the tag via a rare rune?

[pearl orbit]

Pacing is totally off from POE and pacing is big part of it imo. Before the first day is over in a new season, people already are selling tier 7 affix exalteds. PoE isn't getting you 80% of the way to an endgame gear setup on day 1, for anyone. Part of the retention issue imo is players are getting their gg gear too quickly

[carmine smelt]

also part of my gripe on the guaranteed 1LP thing being somewhat of a bandaid

overall a net positive I think, but also creates a massive power plateau

and a basically 1 single best strategy for league start

rushing 1LP T7s in every slot

[willow sentinel]

Nah we need garanteed 2-3lp too

[pearl orbit]

I think it's a massive net negative; if it was exclusively for endgame minmax, it's a positive. But locking it behind t2 julra means you can kill her as soon as you are like lvl 50 or so.

[willow sentinel]

Agreed 100%

[carmine smelt]

It's not that simple, it needs to be dynamic in some way

[pearl orbit]

It needed to be implimented in a very different way than it is

[carmine smelt]

it shouldn't be as easy to lock in an affix to Red Ring as it is to the Kestral

current system disregards LP level completely

[sand heart]

Yes I like that much better than the current Julra mechanic.

[carmine smelt]

needs some sort of "cost" or agency

[pearl orbit]

Another reason LPL should be shown on an item's tooltip, at least when you hold the more details hotkey. Hard to make a player-facing gameplay mechanic around an invisible number many don't know exists

[carmine smelt]

I think it could just cost some type of currency like "Chronomancer Dust" or whatever

that is dynamic

[pearl orbit]

it 100000% should have been thru a currency

way healthier

[carmine smelt]

then you can salvage uniques, giving them back value

[pearl orbit]

There was a suggestion a week ago or so about rerolling using something like this; let me see if i can find it. You suggesting something similar to them, but for slams.

[carmine smelt]

Salvage a 3LP Razorfall -> boom get 1B dust, use 200M or whatever to guarantee a 2LP Unstable core

something like that

or maybe you can just pick one affix and have it cost less, but the next is random

give some agency

[sand heart]

So suggestions are so far:

• Currency needed to slam uniques. Higher LP = more currency
• Perhaps tag removal via rare rune (think as rare or rarer than Rune of Creation)
• Currency to perhaps guarantee 2 LP (but probably not more than that)
• Currency obtainable by salvaging uniques

[pearl orbit]

I can't find it now lol, the forum actually got pretty clogged. But it's similar to what you're saying, theres a currency cost, currency is from sacrificing items and items would give a variable value based on rarity and LP and LPL, and cost different amounts to slam or reroll based upon the same

[carmine smelt]

I just wish there was some incremental process towards crafting a GG legendary. It feels boring that you always go back to 0% progress after a failed slam. There should be some deterministic progress that maybe has RNG based setbacks, but not full resets

[pearl orbit]

Perhaps slamming anything generates a tiny amount of that currency, where rarer items and higher LPL items and higher affix tiers of the sacrificed exalts factor into the exact amount

Time dust?

[carmine smelt]

I don't really like the exalt part of it, it would be annoying to farm up a good exalt for an item I don't plan to ever use

[pearl orbit]

I just mean it would reward a t7 more than a t6 slam. The affix itself wouldn't matter

It wouldnt know your intention as a player

How could it

[carmine smelt]

oh I was thinking you just deleted the unique

[pearl orbit]

Well deleting an item is one way to do it. I was thinking that slamming an item in TS could just give you some currency on top of the legendary item it does now.

[carmine smelt]

maybe doing slam gives small amount of dust, but sacrificing something gives a lot, etc.

[pearl orbit]

Something like that. yes

[carmine smelt]

my idea was basically to give the dopamine back to items that you don't care about, but are really rare

back with the recycling theme of recent additions to LE

like turtle, nemesis, strife, etc.

EHG goes green 2.0

even for MG, it would give off meta items resell value

[pearl orbit]

Alternatively LE gets a heavy balance pass and every item some build is going to care about

Theres different ways to approach the issue imo

[carmine smelt]

sure rebalance is fine but I think fundamentally systems all need to interact with each other in some way, otherwise they start to feel arbitrary and disconnected

[pearl orbit]

I love rav void as much as anyone can but you make item like immortal vise and what are you supposed to do

[sand heart]

Like "YES...I finally got that T7 strength / T7 increased necrotic damage item that I have been waiting for 🙈

[carmine smelt]

Kinda like how imprints don't fully interact with COF

while also overshadowing prophecies

it makes COF feel troll late game

[pearl orbit]

I think imprints needs a second round of nerfs tbh.

[carmine smelt]

and even early too because MG buys the starter items for cheap

[pearl orbit]

double ideal t7 shouldn't be the standard planner itemization

thats an insane idea

but imprints...

[sand heart]

Agreed

[pearl orbit]

.>

[carmine smelt]

I don't think its that bad as a chase

but the process of getting there

is not pleasant

[pearl orbit]

If LE had content you needed that gear to clear, sure. but it doesn't

theres no reason to chase it other than "look at this"

I understand that appeals to some players

[carmine smelt]

I think if LE had content that needed that gear, with the current state of how you acquire that gear

wouldn't work well

[pearl orbit]

I'd agree with you there

[carmine smelt]

it's not a process many people would be willing to go through

I think 1LP slams and maybe 2LP with T7 T5 for common uniques is the limit of patience for the vast majority of players, which is about enough to do Uber on A/S tier builds

[pearl orbit]

Hitting on what you said before, LE could do with some more deterministic systems that run parallel to the current ones for vertical power growth. If you are going to fail 100 slams, you at least know you can get a guaranteed one and have that player power after so many hours. (numbers are example, im just saying random ones).
LE still needs a reason for it though, and UA alone isn't enough, and corruption isn't a reason

[carmine smelt]

yeah pity system is one way, hard to implement without people trying to game/abuse it

or you change where RNG happens

[pearl orbit]

Corruption could work if there were static goals centered around it. The forgotten knights does this by having you climb to 300c and do bosses on the way. But there needs to be more of this; like a faction that has you clear a difficult woven at 1000c or something. Again, random numbers. But safe to say, with how the game is now, 300c isn't the goal anymore like it used to be. And that's good too, higher goals gives players more reason to do things

[carmine smelt]

Maybe failure means you need to farm up an extra material to retry. Maybe on a failed slam you get to choose between keeping the legendary, exalt, or unique and the rest is lost

corruption thresholds aren't meaningful though

there is no obvious change in gameplay

it's same monsters with same abilities and same areas, etc etc. except more hp and damage

[pearl orbit]

I agree yes, but it can be revamped so there are changes

You could gate mechanics and enemies and abilities to certain levels.

[carmine smelt]

it would be nice to have some new challenges introduced as you go, with new potential rewards or reward scaling

yea exactly, some gates

Right now you could in theory farm your full 77 slammed giga build at 100c then just mow down everything

[pearl orbit]

That's one of my gripes about endgame too. apart from number goes up, nothing changes. it could be a lot more fun and engaging than it is now

rare enemies I feel this heavily about too

champion enemies as well

[carmine smelt]

the weaver tree progression feels interesting somewhat on league start

changes the map a bit

[sand heart]

Case in point: I just slammed a 2 LP Woven Flesh.

I badly needed T7 Health and T6 Mana from my donor. The mana was the most likely outcome so I chose the health. And of course I didn't get the mana meaning that both donor exalt and unique was wasted.

Deterministic system needed please 🙂

[carmine smelt]

but theres a generally accepted best tree with a few small variations

[pearl orbit]

Weaver could be more heavy-handed imo

also, you get the weaver nodes too quickly

everyone I play with was over 40 points on the first day

I contrast that to other arpgs and its night and day

the longevity is not there

[carmine smelt]

Determinism in the form of agency, perhaps. You can either roll the dice or accept that if you farm more or sacrifice some currency or whatever you can guarantee it or something

I don't think free determinism is "fun"

I want to feel like I earned it in some way, or that my choices lead to the outcome

[pearl orbit]

Pity timers are healthy, determinism right out of the game is bad for the game and is less fun

[sand heart]

Oh absolutely agreed. But some small chance to MAYBE salvage a disaster would be nice

[pearl orbit]

Yes some pity timer system, and theres a billion ways to implement one

like frozen's currency idea

[carmine smelt]

my idea isn't so much a "pity" system, it's more of like, if you get something you REALLY don't want to mess up, you can pay some heavy fee to make sure you don't

it would need to be costly though

[pearl orbit]

Yes but how are you getting that currency?

saccing failed slams?

pity timer

[carmine smelt]

Destroying really rare stuff

if I want to guarantee a 1LP RR for example, maybe I need to destroy 2x 1LP RRs

[pearl orbit]

No, you should do 4 at least. It should never be better odds than slamming itself because then you never slam anything ever.

Even 5 is fine tbh

[sand heart]

You could base it off of a combination of LP and LPL. Salvaging a 3 LP 80 LPL item would give waaaay more currency than salvaging a 0 LP 27 LPL item

[pearl orbit]

You need some incentive to slam if you actually want slamming in the game

You cannot make it cost too little where its statistically favourable

[carmine smelt]

I don't think it needs to be directly 1 to 1 with slam vs cost

[pearl orbit]

It should be worse than 1 to 1 because its deterministic

[carmine smelt]

for example, I'm totally fine with guaranteeing one affix on really weak uniques for almost free

right now 1LP guarantee is completely free

I think its fine to be free for weak uniques

thats where the dynamic part comes in

[carmine smelt]

yea exactly

[pearl orbit]

I believe that system was a giant mistake and all my views are shaped with this system being heavily changed in mind. I do think this system is good and healthy EXCLUSIVELY for endgame minmaxing, I think accessing it before you are even to empowered monos breaks numerous parts of the game's natural flow, pacing, and progression systems

[carmine smelt]

I don't think its good for anything end game in the current state because it's LPL agnostic

[pearl orbit]

TS has never cared about LPL

Would you prefer it did?

[carmine smelt]

No I mean

When uniques were added with LPL, that LPL was balanced around the power of the uniques. Items that you will realistically never farm more than 1LP got a much bigger buff than items that are balanced around 2LP

[pearl orbit]

Yes and the intention was to keep all uniques viable. To some extent it worked. Ish.

[carmine smelt]

If you imagine how much COF favor on average it takes to get a successful legendary, just an example say RR is 3.2M favor ish on average to get T7 1LP slammed. And compare to maybe 2LP Blood of Exile boots, maybe it takes 3M favor ish. In 1.1

Then 1.2 comes now 1LP RR favor cost goes down to 800k and 2LP blood goes down to 1.5M

it changed the balance

[pearl orbit]

100%

That doesn't include woven echo either

Cache farming and all that stuff

[carmine smelt]

I'm not talking about how much favor you get relative to before

Just the relative cost of different uniques

[pearl orbit]

It still adds into the notion you acquire them much quicker.

[carmine smelt]

Items balanced around 2LP+ benefitted less from this guarantee slam

yeah that's a separate issue in my mind

[pearl orbit]

Ok. I view them as very interlinked. It all factors into how much time is spent on average for a player to get their BiS item

You get your items way too fast right now. my tldr

[carmine smelt]

That's how the game feels, I am talking about how the game is balanced

[pearl orbit]

Its bad for the game, and you can see this when 80% of players stop playing after 4 days

going off steam charts

[carmine smelt]

I'm not even saying whether before or after is good or bad, I'm just saying that if the original balance intent was X, now we have Y due to some different interaction

[pearl orbit]

You are right

It's multifaceted though, I can't say it's strictly about slams although that is a contributing factor to it

The slams haven't been good for the pacing of the game even if players claim to have liked them

[carmine smelt]

I think legendaries and LPL in general is a brilliant system overall

[pearl orbit]

It is 100%

its genius

in 1.1 they were better balanced than right now.

[carmine smelt]

and the guaranteed slams just felt like a quick win to address the surface level complaints for the average player

which I think it does, but it creates other problems

[pearl orbit]

It creates more issues than it solved. It feels like a very reactionary addition to the game

There is a way to do it better

[sudden sail]

the problem with all of this is LE is currently stuck trying to cater to 2 different audiences. Its trying to cater towards people who play PoE, and trying to cater towards people who don't. If you make items rarer to satisfy people like us, then the people who don't play ARPGs a lot will get angry that the thing they are aiming towards is too rare, and there have been hundreds of forum posts and reddit posts about this topic alone, hence why EHG changed the 1 LP guaranteed slam in the first place.

[carmine smelt]

PoE rarity is also balanced around a full open economy where player 1 might do 1 part of a craft, then player 2 does part 2, etc. Then when you upgrade you put it back into the economy.

For SSF PoE no one will get those items except the giga sweaty

PoE tier rarity items in LE would basically only exist on the uber sweats

[pearl orbit]

POE balance cant exist here because the economy is different

[carmine smelt]

Although PoE end game is also very exponential, where LE is less so. A sweaty PoE player farms hundreds of divines per hour vs maybe not even one each day for a casual. Vs LE the difference between a more casual player slowly clearing 100c and a sweaty dude speed farming 1000c is smaller.

Corruption does a lot less to loot than map juicing

which is maybe good, depending on your perspective

[sand heart]

Map juicing is too powerful IMO

[sudden sail]

well the issue is they are listening to feedback from 2 completely different camps, and can't decide who to listen to or why

[sand heart]

But yes...it is of course a matter of perspective

[carmine smelt]

Map juicing in PoE also has a real currency cost. Which means if you aren't strong enough to use the juice currency optimally with your build you might literally have negative profit. That can't really happen in LE

juice itself is linked to the economy in PoE

[sage nymph]

Not to bring PoE2 too much in here but after playing Last Epoch, PoE feels like comparing CS:GO with Arma 3. Last Epoch is so incredibly crisp clean and mechanically rewarding, vs PoE feeling like a turn based game almost to me.

[pearl orbit]

I'd rather they make the difficulty exponential and the loot scaling linear, so you are rewarded for any corruption you push. Rather than the difficulty linear and the loot scaling falling off. The opposite of what we have now. I'd also like to see corruption slightly scale cast/attack speed and movement speed so when the scaling ramps up, these 30000 corruption falconers would be a thing of the past

[carmine smelt]

With imprints being so center stage now, even for COF, and them not really scaling past 300 or 600c at all really, and prophecies kinda being poo now compared to imprints

it feels even less impactful to push corruption

[sudden sail]

making Uber Abberoth so close to making normal Abberoth is a reaction to people who play too much (us), and making 1 LP being guaranteed is listening to people who play significantly less. These were both added in the same patch

[carmine smelt]

Uberroth is weird. It's both too easy and too hard somehow idk how I feel

[pearl orbit]

Thank goodness someone else feels this

[sudden sail]

I think that it doesn't hold the title Uber well

its just more HP

[carmine smelt]

I did kill it with fractured crown tpose this league so I'm happy though

[sudden sail]

that's it

[willow sentinel]

More lasers too

[pearl orbit]

It's a higher gear check, not much else

[willow sentinel]

Noice

[sudden sail]

yeah but people who are serious are killing it before those lasers take into effect

why interact with the mechanic when you can kill it under 2 minutes-ish

and why are you fightning it if it takes longer than that

[carmine smelt]

My annoyance with Uber is the haste thing. It feels like the timings of Normaroth don't really mesh well for Uber sped up timings

sometimes abilities overlap in a weird way and force you to position in a bad way

that just bricks the fight from how it seems intended to be played

unless you have like 200% ms

[stable shoal]

They really need to dissappear trove spamming or buff the other imprints by a lot spamming troves or conquered towers instead of blasting doesn't seem like the most fun thing to do in the endgame of an arpg

[pearl orbit]

My perspective as a player is UA has rather sloppy implementation. For some of the reason you guys mention and more. Which is odd considering normal aberroth felt polished and extremely well done when it was added into the game

[sudden sail]

I just think adding it right after adding the normal version felt very rushed

I think that its content thats going to get outdated fast

[carmine smelt]

Look how easy this looks with a 120% ms build that attacks while moving #🎥┃video-shoutout message

This isn't even a giga tanky or giga high damage build. Just stupid amount of mobility

[pearl orbit]

Mobility is #1 defensive tool in any isometric game, tale old as time

from diablo to dota

[stable shoal]

Uber spam 10 things at the same time aint great either need clarity of vision not well he sits on all his pools while shooting 30 balls at you at same time,rampant beasts spamming 4 aoe things at same time and you need to move around as a melee caharcter🥲

[carmine smelt]

oh its 1 am rip me, work at 6 lel

night folks

[pearl orbit]

gn

[south moat]

Get that sleep

[sand heart]

It's actually 10 am 🙂 Good night though. Sleep well

[tender goblet]

Well I played for about 8 hours for my first session super fun

Think D4 might have to take the back burner

Got me a BIG laddle and I’m smackin’

[pearl orbit]

pog

how far did you get to

[tender goblet]

I’m in Act 3 and around level 25?

[south moat]

Now get the pot lid shield and become the soup knight ||it's not actually a thing||

[pearl orbit]

barrel lid shield from the brewmaster echo should be a thing

[tender goblet]

No idea about anything cause I haven’t looked up any guides or anything but it’s fun

My skelly army goes hard for me and now they have 95% chance to inflict bleed we love to see it

[pearl orbit]

nice

[tender goblet]

Had to buy some of the sick cosmetics they do it so right

[pearl orbit]

if you go over 100% it will apply multiple stacks per attack btw

[tender goblet]

Oh dang

That’s wicked

I know eventually I want to play the flay lich I think it’s called

[pearl orbit]

yeah 105% is 95% for 1 stack and 5% chance for 2 stacks, etc

flay lich is very fun

they added that this season

[willow sentinel]

100%*

[sand heart]

I'm playing Flay Lich right now. It is super fun, and is a very competitive build even without high end gear

[pearl orbit]

No?

[tender goblet]

When did you switch over to it?

Right now I’m using rip blood chaos bolts and skelly army

[willow sentinel]

Ah , I read it the other way

[pearl orbit]

As soon as you unlock flay. i think its lvl 40 ish

[willow sentinel]

Like 100% to get 1 and 5% to get a second

[pearl orbit]

i dont remember the exact level

[tender goblet]

Ok cool I should get that tomorrow

[sand heart]

I started as you did this season. To begin with, I play a rogue build that I concocted for myself. Not very successfully, I might add. Then I switched to Necro. That was fun and I got to corruption 300 with that. Then this build, where I am now at corruption 500

[tender goblet]

Game plays really smooth. I have 7-13ping to their servers as well

I love it

No lag at all

Can’t wait to farm me some nice set armor

[merry spire]

i wanted to call moderators but they were faster than me

[willow sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-aye-aye-captain-aye-aye-okay-gif-16644668

[rotund ice]

For cyrcle of fortune do you need to have a specific level to equip certain items?

Of it a legendary item drops through cof can you immediatly equip it?

[simple bison]

Yes but you won't drop anything higher than your own rank

[rotund ice]

oh wow

[simple bison]

If you meant actual level then yes items with a higher level requirement can still drop and you'll need to meet their requirement before equipping

[rotund ice]

so legendaries wont drop for cof loot till high cof level?

[simple bison]

Uniques will only drop in area levels that are at or above their level requirement

Has nothing to do with CoF

[rotund ice]

okay ty

[quick quarry]

when does the new season come out?

[copper sorrel]

Man, when will these stop? One time im gonna accidently click that, when im not focused.

[worldly valve]

guys what is an awsome meele build

[night marten]

Thats their goal. Lol. Scam bots will never stop, sadly

[copper sorrel]

Yea, either on accident or when youre curious and clueless. Ngl, i was tempted to click and see what happens too, but obviously not without protection. Cant you blacklist these words and variations of it? Legit users who wanna share things that way get hit too, but its worth it.

Oh, filenames might not get filtered? Maybe only trusted people can upload files then.

[main frigate]

I just wish I can send su cker.
That's Van's privilege :(

[south moat]

We don't know yet.

[night marten]

Afaik not without getting rid of image linking for everyone. Which would ruin a good bit of the discord tbh

[primal abyss]

[main frigate]

[south moat]

[main frigate]

502 more players gone. It mean our value + 502

[primal abyss]

I hope you all had a nice weekend. Happy Morning!

[severe socket]

👋

[turbid silo]

Good morning Travelers!

Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend

[south moat]

gm

[severe socket]

Depends.

Hiya Derrick, Van.

[willow sentinel]

I just upgraded to Window 11

They changed the sound of the notification

I hate it

[median perch]

Back to win10

[calm zodiac]

I'll say

Soon as more games with anti cheats start supporting linux

i'm jumping ship man

windows is getting worse by the day, microsoft's incompetence is legendary.

[severe socket]

At all time's worst, I'd say as an IT guy.

So much for these holes to apparently disband the actual QA subdivision and hiring a bunch of "ai"-intoxicated vibe coders instead.

[calm zodiac]

Its genuinely absurd, they're incapable of doing something without breaking something else

i feel like an idiot cause i have purchased an original copy of windows 11 when it came out, i was this idiot

but somehow every 3 months it decide it needs to activate again, then i need to log in, go on my microsoft account, activate again, then remove it

windows now hate when you change pc parts

[broken trench]

always has

[calm zodiac]

Never had this issue on previous ones

i changed my grapcs cards 4 times this year due to a few reasons

everytime my windows say it needed to activate again

so stupid

[main frigate]

I use win 11... 3 years

[severe socket]

Only have 11 on my virtual machine.

Not gonna touch my live OS until absolutely forced to.

[main frigate]

maybe it's relevant to how many microsoft software available to use and how often you use them

Anyways I still no idea how to use mail

🤔 I joined in google's system and no sense to use mail. Google mail is more simple because I'm a Chrome user

[median perch]

I just 3 months

[south moat]

I'm honestly considering just swapping to linux

[main frigate]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message
Such a pity that shaman can't run that... This mastery is limit on totems if I want to play minion builds

Shaman is the only choice for pure minion damage for primalist :(

hhhhhhhhh +17 level bonus... Too insane

🤔 But 16 level bonus is the max from his gears... Why he can get one more level?

Phantom Grip...Oh I just need one more Phantom Grip. Make sense

so lv 38 is the max value for a skill

Pretty high-end. I never try that

[turbid silo]

Please check out [this](#news message) announcement regarding recent impersonation reports of EHG employees.

[steep river]

@grand geyser goes to the Community Managers

[south moat]

I was tempted to make a joke based on that announcement
But I'm sure it would be a terrible idea so I'll just not do it

[main frigate]

Me: ?

What an odd announcement is

[main frigate]

How are you post a link with customized text?

[south moat]

ez

[regal finch]

copy a hyperlink, type some text here, select the desired part, then paste the link. the text will be automatically formatted to become a text link. but also this is blocked on this server, so try elsewhere 😛

there was some uproar about Discord adding this functionality because it became easier to mask spam and phishing.

[main frigate]

Oh yes it's blocked

Another Van's privilege

I missed <> to let it work

[steep river]

Open bracket, text, close bracket, open parenthesis, URL, close parenthesis. Example like this, but all together on the same line.
[text here]
(https://urlhere.com)
I also don't have permissions to use these

[rotund ice]

Played ward in season 1 and it was way better then health regen.. is this still the case?

[steep river]

They've done a couple rebalancing passes to not make ward always the best anymore. Although you can still use it on some builds if you want

[rotund ice]

okay thx

[main frigate]

lol... You miss the same thing

But it's make sense to miss that because you can't post that link with that symbol

[steep river]

Yeah it's blocked to help reduce scams

[main frigate]

[text here] (<link here>)

[steep river]

Yeah but all together on the same line. And you'd leave the < > off. I put them in to remove the preview

There changed it to use code blocks instead

[main frigate]

I use discord for 6 years, but never think how to type this type of hyperlink lol

[steep river]

I'd rather they be able to see the full URL before clicking on it, even if there is a warning

[regal finch]

it's recent, was added like half a year ago

[worldly valve]

is multishoot still viabnle for marksman

[simple bison]

Yes

[carmine smelt]

Phishers hate this one simple trick

[turbid silo]

You mean how did I make the text a hyperlink?>

You just highlight the text you want hyperlinked and then press CTRL+V to paste it and Discord formats it correctly

[main frigate]

...I don't understand what are you want to say completely lol

[broken trench]

[text] (link) without the space

kept getting blocked by the bot lol

[main frigate]

Oh I don't need <>. Overthinking

[inner finch]

<> will prevent link preview in preview-enabled chats

[main frigate]

Thanks

So both of my way and sweetgoat's way is right

[blissful vine]

when's season 4 approx?

i havent bullied wick or muffin in ages now

[simple bison]

sometime late-ish december is the estimate

But nothing announced

[blissful vine]

oh and cyborg too

how's mom?

[autumn briar]

would they really release something just before holiday season though? seems doubtful

i think d4 and poe2 will release theirs early december. they have the resources to do it and wont miss the opportunity to cash in

[simple bison]

hm? good? x)