⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[gilded lark]

also kinda true but I feel that this kind of paradigm change has a lot of internal resistance so it will take a while for it to get firmly established

as they say in our parts, the change in scientific paradigm occurs not with new discoveries but when the people holding to the old paradigm die off

[frosty pelican]

A change doesn't need to so abrupt or extreme that the old guard has something to be upset about while also pleasing a different group

Like for example making the Rune of Havoc always use 10 fp would remove some of the RNG swing, but still leave the main point of the gamble intact

[gilded lark]

that would still have an impact on how you want to use the other crafting materials in order to hit breakpoints in remaining FP though

[frosty pelican]

Rune of Removal is a similar issue, even if you get your roll quite often you just eat all the FP and the 1/4 success feels pointless. That's fine because removal is common

Havoc is rare

[gilded lark]

havoc's effect is a lot more powerful than removal though

[frosty pelican]

Yes it is

It's powerful but you are swinging multiple wheels of RNG at once

For most of these crafts you do whatever, you run out of FP, brick the item, that's fine. You wasted nothing

the other "rare" runes (Creation / Ascendance) don't really have any FP RNG interaction

Creation eats it all and it does it's thing, Ascend does the same

[rain lion]

I hate this entire design philosophy….
You scratch lottery tickets and eventually hit the jackpot, but wait, you can’t use your item yet. You need to scratch another lottery ticket, and a third one and a 4th one. Only if you win all 4 do you get to use your item

Feels like there’s a bunch of gambling addicts working at EHG.
It feels so shit if you’re not into gambling.

[gilded lark]

they explicitly stated that they believe that rng is the core of this genre

[rain lion]

With all the grinding that you need to do in ARPGs, if the journey feels bad, the destination don’t matter because you’ll never reach it

[gilded lark]

and that they wanted to avoid the character progression being "too deterministic"

[frosty pelican]

To be honest I don't think it's a bad system right now, it's not far off. I just think there are some minor tweaks that could be made to improve the "feel" without making it trivial

[rain lion]

There’s a difference between RNG and RNG.
In PoE there’s plenty of RNG, but it doesn’t feel bad in the same way

[frosty pelican]

never reaching the destination is by design, that's how players of different skills / goals / etc. will always have some goal they can work towards

[gilded lark]

not sure about poe1 but poe2 rng is of the shittiest kind

[frosty pelican]

My goal might include T7 Red Rings, someone else might just want a decent exalted item with 1 T7 affix

what each player considers realistic is a function of RNG, and each percentage closer to perfect is harder to get than the last

[rain lion]

PoE 1 is infinitely better than PoE2. PoE2 is completely different

[frosty pelican]

PoE 2 is just unrefined, I don't even consider it a finished game yet

[rain lion]

I’d rather start on a new char and farm a mirror in PoE than farm something of equal rarity on LE.
Like it’s not even close how much fun the journey to a mirror is compared to LE equivalent

[frosty pelican]

That's because LE doesn't really have chase equivalents to a mirror, anything at that level is just a function of the "infinite scaling" systems that exist in LE

like a 4LP Red Ring is not something that is really meant to be a thing in the game

[rain lion]

I think a 4LP red ring is way rarer than a mirror.
I was talking something that achievable every league in rarity

[frosty pelican]

I don't really think the two are comparable though

the scaling levers that exist in PoE are just not the same

[rain lion]

How do you mean?

[frosty pelican]

An efficient farmer in PoE can earn thousands of times more per hour than an inefficient one

in LE it's more, sure, but there aren't as many axis of scaling

[rain lion]

It’s not 1000s. Unless you divide by 0 and claim infinity

[frosty pelican]

The disparity between a sweaty LE player and a casual is much smaller

vs PoE

[rain lion]

I don’t think it is

If you consider setting up a proper endgame farm.

You can easily do 3-4 div per hour as a casual that does an actual farm.

[frosty pelican]

Sure and you can easily do 150k favor per hour in LE as a casual with an actual farm

[rain lion]

You can’t get 3000-4000 div an hour no matter how sweaty you are

If you get 15-20 div an hours your a super try hard.

I can get more than that in hideout, but I don’t count that as farming.

It’s playing a economy simulator and not an ARPG

[frosty pelican]

Okay so, in PoE, before you can farm the most optimal content in the most optimal way

you need to have a fairly strong character already

which unlike LE, is heavily concentrated in items

[rain lion]

That not really true.

If you pick a league starter you can farm 3-4 div /h easily. But you need to unlock the atlas enough

The thing with PoEs endgame is that you have so many options that you can tailor your farm specifically to the exact strengths and weaknesses of your character.

Like I’m not going to farm legion if you have a boss killer.

E.g. Pick essence + beast farm instead.

Or guardian maps. Or Blight. Or…. You get the point

[frosty pelican]

idk dude, I was a sweaty PoE player, the level of wealth disparity between typical player achievements and the sweaty folks was absolutely insane. Just time alone doesn't matter. You can't accidentally end up with 3+ mirrors

you need to know what you are doing

You could farm 3-4 div per hour, but you probably have an idea of what you are doing

[rain lion]

If we’re talking someone who can no clue what they’re doing and just to random white maps. Sure.

And there’s a difference between wealth disparity and income. I’m talking about income

[frosty pelican]

Your first point was a mirror and a mirror equivalent in LE

[gilded lark]

true this, but keep in mind that this disparity is going to increase the more systems they introduce, and I guess it will already be a lot larger in the next patch. Efficiently farming and properly managing your new faction currency, structuring your echo webs in an optimal manner, etc

[rain lion]

Wealth disparity is the same in LE when you have 300 hours to spend vs someone with 20 hours.

[frosty pelican]

my point was just that the scale of wealth that exists in PoE doesn't really translate to LE, so equivalently absurd items in LE fall into the "this doesn't really exist" category

@gilded lark that's another thing. As more complexity is introduced, there are more opportunities for knowledge of those systems to give you an edge

[rain lion]

You think your stash full of red rings don’t feel the same to a newbie when they see that or when they see some that has a mirror?

[frosty pelican]

and each edge multiplies

[rain lion]

I see people in chat in LE constantly getting a random T7 skill on a bad base and asking if they can make a build around it since that by far their best drop.
And it doesn’t even show up on my filter playing a build that could use it.

But it doesn’t really matter where the disparity is bigger.
My entire point was that the journey of improving your Char feels much better in PoE.

[frosty pelican]

I get your point, but it's kinda like.

Okay imagine PoE is kinda like the USA as far as wealth goes. You start off earning like 7.25/hr and the sweaty players have their megayacht and private jets. You'll never get there by just working more hours, you could work 30 lifetimes and it wouldn't matter.

LE is kind of like, idk. I don't want to make this political but imagine some country where people earn similar incomes. You make 20/hr and the richest guy makes like 300/hr. Even if you don't increase your income you might end up with some things they have too. You could probably get a few of those fancy items

The other thing, is that in LE more of your power is concentrated in your skill tree / passives / etc.

You can literally clear empowered with a naked character

in PoE the vast majority of power is concentrated in items

which must be acquired

[rain lion]

Yeah. I know what you mean.
But even at 4 div an hour you can theoretically farm a mirror in a league. But the problem is that the person that can only do 4 div an hour won’t have a enough playtime to get to the mirror

All true.
But my entire point was that the journey to acquire them in PoE is way more fun

[frosty pelican]

Plus in PoE I would argue that 1 mirror is just getting started as far as sweaty tryhard gaming goes

theres a whole world beyond that

[rain lion]

Yeah I know. I don’t even start optimizing my build until I have a mage blood

Until that points it’s just placeholders.

[frosty pelican]

in LE my 40 or whatever Red Rings doesn't really matter, I can only equip 2 and a new player could realistically get them

its 200k favor on average for 1

[rain lion]

And mage blod ends up being the cheapest item

[rain lion]

Not slammed I don’t think.

[frosty pelican]

perhaps not, but even still the power bonus for all these fancy things I have is pretty minimal

it doesn't let me 5x my farm like some items in PoE do

I did a bit of PoE 2 and when I got temporalis it literally multiplied my farm

[rain lion]

That’s very true.
But I think it still feels bad for the new players

[frosty pelican]

I mean we aren't really talking about feelings, people who don't have the things will always experience fomo, the reality is that in LE they are missing out on a lot less power

they can get close to what I do without my items

[rain lion]

Like the power I can get in PoE is silly. I’ve killed the uber bosses on a tornade shot clearing build in 2-3 seconds.

[frosty pelican]

That's the thing

in PoE a casual player will most likely never experience the game in the way a sweaty player does

[rain lion]

That power is not needed either.

[frosty pelican]

it's like you are literally playing different games

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/631171344 this around the last time I played much PoE 1, I think a 3 ish mirror build

idk I can't really play it anymore

[rain lion]

But my entire point is that the journey to get there feels waaay more fun in PoE than it does in LE.

And if I play causal with the aim of only getting 5% of that power.
The journey to that also feels way more fun in PoE than it does in LE

[frosty pelican]

It does to you, because you have a chance of getting there

is the same true for the players who don't?

[rustic grotto]

I don't like PoE1, because it is centered around trade. If it had CoF though...

[rain lion]

You misunderstood

That player can pick what ever goal is realistic to them.
And the journey of getting there will be more fun than the equivalent in LE

[frosty pelican]

This exactly. Trade is how the absurd scaling is able to exist, it's basically a big capitalism simulator with some ARPG components on top

[rain lion]

The game is what you make it.

I play trade in PoE but don’t buy any items.

[frosty pelican]

Right but then why should people be upset if others have a bunch of Red Rings?

[rain lion]

I just use it to convert e.g 90% useless essences for my build into currency, then use that currency to buy the 1 essence I need

[frosty pelican]

I don't actually know if FOMO is a problem that game devs should be concerned with addressing, that's philosophical question

[rain lion]

I never said they should

I think you’re misunderstanding my point.

[frosty pelican]

It sounds like you are saying the Journey in PoE is more enjoyable

that part I disagree with, but this is a personal preference thing so

[rain lion]

Yes. Because what ever your endgame goal is RNG in Poe is designed around helping you get there faster.

While in LE the RNG is designed around resetting your progress

And the human brain fears loss waaaay more than it values the eventual gain.

Not for 100% of ppl. But for a waaaast majority

[frosty pelican]

I mean that's essentially what I said in my video about RNG but not all of the LE systems are like that, and the EHG team is clearly open to fine tuning

Like the Judd comment about the 3LP slam missing

[rain lion]

Yeah. I saw your video from a few months ago

[frosty pelican]

these are just minor tweaks

I agree that PoE has more systems that can be utilized to get you towards your goals

[rain lion]

And I agree with the root problem

[frosty pelican]

I like having options with getting towards the goal of "op item X"

and it seems like 1.2 is taking a huge step towards that

Whatever the LP changes will be, the Rune of Havoc, whatever the prophecy changes (?) etc

the set item thing

woven craft (divine orb?)

[rain lion]

My baby just fell asleep. I’m enjoying the convo, but I need to hit the sack.

I’ll read this tomorrow

[frosty pelican]

all good, take care

I think we generally agree on most of this anyway

[exotic grail]

i fell aleep after posting that cof bone amulet question @rain lion thanks for responding

andi was just curious because there was only one optiojnm i was just wondering if it was intentional or if i was just dumb

[idle galleon]

i'm sort of the example of Frozen's point. i'm a somewhat casual player with a full time job, main a different game and when i do play LE i play a lot of different builds while also spending a lot of time just theorycrafting stuff. even with all of that inefficiency, i was able to get a build in practical best in slot status on LE after a month or so of on and off playing, farming at around 900-1000 corruption, and it wasn't even a zoomy build.

i have about 3600 hours in poe1 and never had a character even remotely close to 'finished', even when i did my 40/40 challenge in delirium league. other than a lucky voices i sold for over 200ex towards the end of my challenges, i was running on a budget of maybe 10 ex for my entire character. i then see people farming mirrors and headhunters and it's literally a different game.

in LE i can eventually get there, having almost as great gear and character power as the sweats. it just takes me 3-4x the calendar time. it's all thanks to CoF and nemesis systems. poe1 taught me to hate trade, and it's only slightly better in LE.

[livid spruce]

I think there's some aspects of it that they should (and do) address, usually in this context they refer to it as "burden of optimal play" when the player is forced to pick either missing out on something or playing the game in an unfun way. I won't miss it whenever beacon farming gets deleted or OBE, for example.

[frosty pelican]

That sums up my feelings on it, beacon is kinda unfun, but I do like the process of min-maxing. I guess I don't dislike beacon enough to avoid it for the sake of min-maxing.

When one un-fun strat is so dominant it can feel pointless to seek incremental improvements on other strats that aren't at the same level. If they removed the beacon thing then we can ask more complex questions, strategies become more nuanced.

[charred quarry]

i played since december but i dabbled too much with a lot of builds, i player seriously only from one month.
My problem is that i'm extremely unlucky, i failed all 10 of my rarest 2-3 LP slams and i don't even attempt the 1LP anymore, because I'm gonna break something for sure
I can say that by now I'm extremely salty and traumatized by the LP system, and I would be extremely happy to see it nuked from orbit

[frosty pelican]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1izlniq/comment/mf4vrlk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[charred quarry]

already saw that, but the trailer and the last dev talk seem to go in a direction that to reset a item you need one with the same LP level.

[frosty pelican]

I thought that too at first, but not necessarily, an answer from Mike seems to imply that the LP thing could be using an existing system

so it might not be the weaver thing for that

[livid spruce]

Yeah, it was mentioned that a few of the woven echoes offer ways to modify/craft on uniques. We probably haven't seen all the things.

[frosty pelican]

@livid spruce indeed, but the slam thing specifically, Mike's comment here seems to imply it's some sort of change to the eternal cache; #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

Could be one of those telephone things where a message gets relayed several times and lost along the way though

[livid spruce]

Yeah, hard to say. By Mike's definition, it could just mean that almost anything modifying the legendary crafting system isn't a full on system for all we know.

From a user standpoint, a woven echo that lets you "unslam" a unique or something probably wouldn't be considered a new system. (Not that I think something exactly like that is likely to come)

[frosty pelican]

Yea, I think an unslam is especially unlikely because of nemesis. I don't think the game code differentiates between a nemesis made legendary vs a "fail slam", so you could basically generate new slams by doing 0LP -> Nemesis -> unslam

[hazy elm]

hehe

[frosty pelican]

Another thing is that the woven craft takes in legendaries, depending on what that does nemesis kinda becomes strong

[rain lion]

You’re describing a different issues that’s waaay worse in PoE.
The ”floor” when it comes to farming efficiency per hour is much much lower than in LE.

If frozensentinel is farming 150k favor /hour, a noob just running around randomly in 300-400c echoes can probably get around 40-50k favor/h.

In PoE of you don’t know what you’re doing you could actually even be making negativt div/hour.

If you have a build that can do 40/40 challenges and the time to do them, you could easily farm 10 div in 2 hours. But let’s make it 3 hours just in case.

And because you can sell all gear, 3 hours later and now you have a build that’s worth 20 div and way stronger due to exponential scaling in PoE.
Another 6 hours and you have a 40 div build now. And so on…

But in order to do this farm and know how to upgrade your char with those 10 new divs, you need a lot of game knowledge that can be really hard to acquire.

While in LE a noob can pretty much stumble into late game with a bild close to frozen’s if they just put enough time into it.

In this regard LE is infinitely superior to PoE and one of the main reason I like it.

[rain lion]

See the above post👆 , seems l lost the reply link while writing it.

[wraith hazel]

You don't even need a full meta build to get a decent amount of favor. Just something not too bad

[past karma]

Question, I didn't play for ~10 months and I quite forgot how hard/easy it can be to get gear in CoF. I was planning this level of gearing, is it reasonnable for CoF, or is it already expecting way too much? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6LeLNaB

[oblique flax]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 2,820, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 185.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 8 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 61% / 61% / 65% / 54% / 66% / 55% / 61%
▸ EHP: 9,369 / 9,369 / 9,710 / 10,743 / 9,799 / 8,901 / 9,369

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 564
▸ Dodge Chance: 25% (860)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,410)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 82%

Buffs:

▸ Dusk Shroud (14), Haste

Used skills:

None

Used unique items:

• Traitor's Tongue
• Traitor's Tongue
• Li'raka's Claws

[idle galleon]

the legendries will be easier than perfect 4 affix exalts. you could even bump the daggers to 3LP. i would assume you can get the t7 and base on the exalted items to match, but other than the t7 affix, you'll just have to work with what you get.

might seem odd, but a full set of near perfect legendries would be easier than the gear set you linked.

[chrome cove]

what's the difference between "exalted" and "rune exalted"?

[past karma]

Thanks, it helps

if I can setup base item + T7 and then just need to work around the other affixes, it should be more or less fine

[idle galleon]

depending on the specific t7 affix, this should be doable, but might take a while.

helm/relic will be the hardest due to skill affixes being rare

and if you really want that boot experimental, prepare to settle for t5 on the other affixes

[past karma]

na, it's fine

base helmet is negociable

base relic would be great but is ultimately only few passive points

[idle galleon]

yeah if bases are flexible, then it becomes much easier

[past karma]

only base I would really like is body and boots

and rings

[idle galleon]

your t7s on those are not rare (other than boots) so those shouldn't be too difficult

you'll probably need to drop 10-20 of them to get usable other affixes

[past karma]

yeah, I don't mind having to grind

I just wanted to know if it was in the "can be done in a month of regular playing" or if it was "if you no life for 6 months, you may be able to get it" territory

on top of that, new patch should help getting specific affixes combos

[idle galleon]

here's a tool TheCurse made with assistance from FrozenSentinel and the community (the database) that helps show what LP level is realistic for your farming potential.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18uuvra6z4iYIWxy9dDDbiF6WGBmhFcfQOJMfw1WelDc/copy

For example, your 2LP traitors tongue would take about 1.3 hours to farm enough daggers to land a t7 + t5 slam if you farmed at 100k favor per hour.

3LP goes up to 8.8 hours

[past karma]

I have 4.3 hours, did I miss something?

[idle galleon]

your keep rate might be partial

[past karma]

just need +2 dex

[hazy elm]

do u have 100k/h of favor?

[idle galleon]

if you only want +2 dex, for example, you have to figure out what % you drop

[past karma]

and a good crit roll for one of them

[idle galleon]

the more specific you want, the longer it will take, but this tool helps you figure that out

[past karma]

can't post screenshot, but I have traitor tongue, 30%, 2, T7 + T5, 100 000

and it says 430K favor or 4.3 hours

[idle galleon]

that seems reasonable to farm

[past karma]

yes

I guess it's also pure CoF, so it doesn't take in account nemesis

[idle galleon]

this tool mostly helps you figure out what isn't reasonable. like your 30% with 3LP is 29.3 hours.

[hazy elm]

5k hours to get 2lp red ring

monkaaa

[idle galleon]

i believe it does take nemesis into account. see the data on the right.

[winter shadow]

Nemesiss help trêmndously for red ring no?

[past karma]

anyway, thanks for the help

Wanted to make some completely off meta build, did the builds, was looking at the figures and found them pretty absurd (>5M dps) and wanted to check if I did a mistake on unrealistic gear

but it looks reasonnable

even cut in half, the dps should be enough

[livid spruce]

It's also random, so getting the amount of favor and using it just means you have a good chance of having what you want

You can still be unlucky

[idle galleon]

a build with mostly exalted items would be easier on MG, most likely.

[past karma]

yeah, but I want to compete in the SSF ladder

[hazy elm]

@frosty pelican in Unique Item Progression Tool how do u input boss uniques reroll chances? 🤔 its not in tunk

[past karma]

also, I did 12 years of buying my stuff on poe, looking for some actual self drop hue hue hue

[livid spruce]

What you mean? Boss drops don't use the reroll system

[frosty pelican]

As Father said it's not the same, there is a % chance to drop which can have variables. Eg. Corruption scaling

[hazy elm]

ya but that excel tool has that bracket

or maybe i misunderstood, cause they have "Item Roll Keep" bracket

[idle galleon]

item roll keep means if the item has wide rolls and you will only use items with a certain roll range.

like unstable core with 10 mana you would throw on the ground with 1LP if your build depended on mana stacking.

[rustic grotto]

I considered 2LP wings unrealistic, looking at that sheet, Its actually quite in line with the rest of the gear I farmed 😮

[livid spruce]

They dramatically lowered its LPL. 4 LP Wings was the rarest item in the game before that (1.1?).

[frosty pelican]

115 -> 90 iirc, big difference

[livid spruce]

Sounds right, main thing I remember is it was many orders of magnitude rarer than 4LP red ring/RV, as if it was still "the" chase item

[hazy elm]

I wonder how codexes will feel in 1.2

Iirc getting good affixes was borderline impossible in cof

[livid spruce]

Codexes?
I think the new runes will be a big boost to CoF

[hazy elm]

class relics they have tons of affixes in the pool

[frosty pelican]

You just craft the T1 on your relic with a T7 and slam havoc

I don't know if it's inherently better for CoF vs MG though, they can also buy items and slam havoc. Curious if we will get a Havoc prophecy, if yes they will encourage the sweaty MG players to roll a CoF alt

[hazy elm]

im talking abt codexes its weavers will relics

[frosty pelican]

Ohhhh I forgot what those were called

xd

[rustic grotto]

Yeah, I think what is tripping me here, is that I would be content with T7+1 of 2. This makes it seem in reach. But we have all experienced failing a slam hitting that T7 10 items in a row.

This sheet just divides boss kills by slam odds instead of multiplying the odds and giving timings for 50% odds and 90% odds. In think that would be a good improvement to add.

[rustic grotto]

If I did it right, that gives me 19h for 50% and 58h for 90%.

But on second thought, if they are changing how slamming works, we should probably wait and see first 🙂

[gilded lark]

it wasn't that bad, I got the one I needed only after 450 rolls or so

[rustic grotto]

Are we ready for idol enchanting RNG? I really hope there is a CoF rank to help out with that one.

Since every idol will be a codex now

[gleaming mirage]

Only 1 in a billion now

[livid spruce]

Ahh, the WW things. Maybe the new Weaver rune will help narrow down a bit

Plus who knows what other options, like the reroll altar and whatever else

[fringe saddle]

and only to get fail slam on it? xD

[hazy elm]

that is changing in s2

lol

[fringe saddle]

if the woven offering reset LP

how long to get another 2 LP potential sacrifice red ring?

hahaha

[hazy elm]

mike said its part of already existing system

so not woven related

[fringe saddle]

Can't wait for what it actually does. At least, those failed slam / trash Legendary affixes will see some use soon.

[chrome cove]

can you get Nihilis from prophecies?

[hazy elm]

no

[chrome cove]

expected as much, that would be too good

[azure ice]

Is COF now saved !?

[umbral saffron]

Always has been

🔫

[azure ice]

I used to farm 500k favor and then head RNG tower to get bounties. Roll the dice for an hour to get a full board of bounties. Go clear the bounties but a bunch of trash would drop, no 3 LP or exalted with the proper affixes. Impossible to target farm exalted. Also DOT damage was way too high. Has any of these things changed for season 2?

The WASD movement looks promising, just trying to decide if LE is worth another 750 hours or if I should just play Poe 2.

[gilded lark]

1 - no changes
2 - pray to rngesus
3 - we don't know yet
4 - we don't know yet

[frosty pelican]

Not sure when you last played but iirc exalts did have prices reduced in the cycle refresh which could help with farming. They've also hinted at prophecy changes vaguely, which could help, maybe. We do also have LP filters now which helps with loot explosion.

1.2 also adds the Rune of Havoc / Rune of Redemption which will help making usable exalts easier.

There are also some changes to uniques that we don't have the full picture on yet. (Maybe PoE divine orb from woven craft ...?)

Possible changes to LP (we didn't get a direct answer on if you can gamble your FP / add LP in 1.2 🤷‍♂️ ), and we do have confirmation that slamming will be easier in some way (don't know how yet)

[graceful harness]

When a prohpecy says "Temporal sanctum dungeon" without specifying the tier, does it mean it's T1 only or it can be any tier of the dungeon?

[frosty pelican]

any

[regal jolt]

I need an opinion here.. Should I go CoF or Merchant? since it's late cycle.. merchant sounds a bit better?

[frosty pelican]

MG sounds better because it's late cycle? I don't follow

[regal jolt]

Wouldn't it be easier just to buy things since CoF takes some times to level up

[frosty pelican]

Assuming there are items that you can afford, and people online to buy your items so you can get the gold you need to buy those items, yea

[rancid swan]

Responded to you in the MG channel, but to answer this specifically - you still need to level up MG to buy the things you want, if you care only for Rare items and 0 LP uniques - sure, you can buy them almost instantly. But for things like Exalted jewelry - you'll need to farm a bunch of favor for levels in MG

[frosty pelican]

Without levels in CoF: You have nothing, you can buy nothing, you will be happy

[rancid swan]

Exactly, Accept the blessings of The Prophecy and reach Nirvana by transcending this flawed mortal gold-ridden realm, If we are to be at peace we must abandon material values!

[gilded lark]

also even when the tier is specified, you can still complete it in higher tier

[graceful harness]

Ooooh, that's even better!
Was always skipping low tier ones, thank you for that information :>

[umbral saffron]

If you can do higher tier without struggling, do them 😄

[distant leaf]

In general, prophecy requirements are minimums

[azure ice]

New season looks very promising. I just watch the vids you posted. Thanks for showing the way

[charred quarry]

true. Embrace the 20 thousand faces god, the gatcha casuals have NOTHING on us, we don't even have the pity 5 stars pulls 😂

[regal jolt]

Is there like a guide for CoF prophecies or just take whatever?

[idle galleon]

slightly dated, but mostly still relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mdkL7XAh4Q

[regal jolt]

ty

[idle galleon]

the rank rewards were buffed since that video, so check the list in game and consider those differences when you listen to his advice.

and make sure to check out the spreadsheet linked in the description/pinned comment

[regal jolt]

will do rn, thank you

[silk hatch]

Anyone available to port me to CoF? Late to the party on the game lol

[charred quarry]

more like what to NOT take (until next season):

• sets
• weaver items
• guaranteed LP1 (they cost too much favor. Only rings may be worth it with a chance of a red ring, but that should be done after maxing all your other slots)
• dungeon and campaign bosses prophecies (they force to go on low level low corruption chance area and high level high LP items will drop less likey)

to optimize try to get multiple prophecies for the same place/objective
try to get asap the two lenses that increase the prophecy uses and rewards

[umbral saffron]

Getting few set prophs might not be the worst idea if you aim to get some of the set items to shatter for 1.2 🤔 I think they're not expensive anyway

[gilded lark]

weaver items prophecy isnt so bad if for some reason your build needs one of those, although that in itself is a reason to reconsider your life choices

also dungeon prophecies dont force you to do a low lp area, you can do them all in t4

[gleaming mirage]

Not sure about other weaver items but I had weaver relics dropping like candy from just doing unique relics

Oh right I got a +5 Cleave, not looking forward to that too much again

[gilded lark]

weaver armors is everything that isnt unique or ring

[gilded lark]

took me about 320 rolls to get a +4 disintegrate, got all other +4 rolls within the first 50 or so

[gleaming mirage]

Dang, is it rarer or just bad luck? rip

[gilded lark]

probably bad luck cause nothing indicates that it is more rare than other skill affixes and I got a ton of +1-3 rolls

got the weaver's special a few dozens times when you roll your most wanted affix on the first roll but once it gets to t5-t6 it no longer upgrades and the rest of the rolls go into poison res or something

[umbral saffron]

With the WW rogue relic I got +4 to Aerial Assault for Falconer... and the very next relic I got +4 to A. Assault again... 😄

[gilded lark]

I still have like 60 WW rogue relics sitting in my stash cause I don't even have a rogue character in this league

and given the cool new stuff coming in 1.2 I'm not exactly motivated to grind on a rogue rn

[umbral saffron]

I guess there isnt any new info if we'll get new prophecies or changes for CoF in 1.2?

[livid spruce]

They've said there will be changes, other than that no. We'll probably have to wait until patch notes unless it gets brought up in one of the podcasts

[gilded lark]

they said very minor changes though

probably gonna delete the 1 lp prophecies and bump up the cost on idol prophecies, plus prophecies for the new runes

I wouldn't expect much else

[livid spruce]

I hope they just make the 1 LP prophs rarer and make them +1 LP / make them auto pass the first LP roll instead. I doubt they'll give prophs for the new runes, think Mike even semi-confirmed it?
Why do you think they'd up the cost on idols?

[umbral saffron]

Yeah that 1LP prophs need some rework 😄 I also hope for prophecies for Spirits of Fire, idk why there is none at all... some harbringer/Aberroth/Nemesis prophecies too

[livid spruce]

Yeah, I think the reason they don't have a proph for spirits is because it's a triple boss encounter. It's probably just more complicated to make the proph trigger properly. I hope they do, too, though

[spiral ember]

i mean because its 3 bosses at once, wouldn't it be awesome for the 3 boss completion objective in the prophs?

[rustic grotto]

The lower corruption echo has 5 bosses.

[umbral saffron]

I thought about that and came to the conclusion it would be nonsense... lets you prophecy asks you to kill 3 of them... you kill 2, die... you go again, kill 1, suddenly massive loot explosion with 2 bosses blasting right into your face with loot everywhere 😄

Surely it would be doable to make the loot droppable from the last Shaman of them, just like it is with their loot rn

Still, Id rather see some kind of box with loot from boss prophecies instead of all the items being vomitted on the ground

[idle galleon]

your 4th bullet point is not actually real. frozen's tests showed no appreciable gain from corruption for prophecies. temporal sanctum prophecies are quite fine since everyone runs julra for slams anyways.

[charred quarry]

sorry. I don't have hard data (not frozenSentinel dedication) but from the times i've done it, in campaign and dungeons i've noticed that i always got more common uniques and fewer with LP. Same with exalts. Worse bases and less T7.
exalt prophecies seemed to give more T7 items in echoes at high corruption..
Imho should also be considered the less experience and gold gained while wandering around those zones

[chrome cove]

anyone got luck on T7 +to skills in relics? i swear it doesn't exist lol

[idle galleon]

you still want to be efficient with your selections, sure. that's why i brought up temporal sanctum. you do the runs anyways, might as well not skip prophecies that go there. i don't suggest doing LA, SFB or Arena, unless you are farming an item there already and unless it's the 'kill 1 rare enemy' prophecy which literally takes seconds to do as long as you have plenty of keys.

[umbral saffron]

Arena is fine if you get the generic boss ones

"fine" 😄

[livid spruce]

Corruption does affect LP chance for prophs, confirmed by devs. It's a small boost to a small chance, so hard to determine with data collection.
But yeah, dungeon prophs are fine. I generally just recommend people avoid campaign and arena prophs (unless they actually like grinding arena), and aim for ones that you don't need to go out of your way for.

[livid spruce]

They are extremely rare. The new runes coming in S2 should help a lot, as long as you can get enough of them.

[idle galleon]

yes i saw that dev confimation also, and recommended people avoid unique prophecies except for high corruption areas, until i saw the data from frozen showing negligible or no difference at all. at that point, picking prophecies that are time efficient, regardless of destination is better. liath prophecies, for example are fantastic, while majasa prophecies are terrible due to location relative to waypoints and forced cut scene. dungeon rare mob prophecies are great since you can open the door, kill a pack of mobs and be done. 9 amber elementals is bad due to high count and them being spread out, even if you are farming LA, i'm not sure i would ever pick that one up.

i was initially high on exiled mages prophecies also since it's good to kill them regardless of your current build. but they starting stacking up cause they take so many kills and they aren't common enough to keep up with my prophecy completion rate. i started skipping the prophecies but kept killing the mages, ofc. rare monolith mob prophecies are decent if you pay attention to where you farm and what can spawn there, but some, like the void mobs, even in the correct timelines are super rare and not worth grabbing.

[umbral saffron]

I'd say Amber Elementals are good, Im not sure if its 100%, but they duplicate after you kill the big one, so its often 3 kills per one big Elemental

[livid spruce]

Yeah, that's why I always am sure to mention that corruption is a small boost. That said, you get more favor per hour in monos compared to elsewhere anyway, so that's a separate reason why prophs completable in monos are good for people really trying to squeeze out efficiency.

[charred quarry]

i'm pretty sure that a + skill on a relic it's just a nice to have, but extremely rare. But i think i have multiple T7 of + infernal shade on my warlock during the last month

[gilded lark]

skill affixes are more rare than non-skill affixes but they aren't like exceptionally rare

I farmed plenty of those for different characters and you can usually get the one you need within a couple hundred drops

whatever else is gonna be there and its base are of course a complete crapshoot

so it gets harder if you need to use the exalt as an item instead of just a slam

[pure hull]

Can we add skill affix to any equipment?

[umbral saffron]

No

helmet/body/relic for now

Select what class / item you want to see what you can put on it (skill affixes are prefixes)
https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affixes

[pure hull]

oh nice, doing javelin build now I need to farm that prefix haha

[gleaming mirage]

Embrace the Weaver +5 >.>

[fringe saddle]

what do u mean +5 on weaver item?

[gleaming mirage]

The weaver relics give +1 all, then +4 from T7

[fringe saddle]

Oh yeah. thats what you meant. haha

[chrome cove]

what are the odds of getting a +4 on top of it tho

[livid spruce]

Very low

but weaver relics are more likely to roll rarer affixes compared to normal relics (even compared to other weaver items)

[twin wolf]

seen only +2s in my past 1k hours, +4 on erased relic is a pipe dream xD then again max I got my hands on was like 23ww

[idle galleon]

+4 is fairly common on erased relics for me, but i also use RoAs on CoF relics constantly to get more tries at a decent one.

[twin wolf]

maybe I've had like one wrong +4 long ago idk, I'm usually rolling around 20 per character each season tho so yh my pool isnt big I guess

[chrome cove]

so you'd say it's more worth it to just try and get, for example for rogue, erased rogue rather than getting exalted relics?

because yeah so far, it's been exalted sometimes, but it's never the +skill

[livid spruce]

You can much more easily get lots of exalted relics, but each weaver relic takes time and effort to see what it rolls

might change a bit with the new rune in S2, but same principle will probably still apply

[chrome cove]

i'm around 350 corr currently (my build is hitting its limit), and i've done nothing but exalted relics and mages (i need a T6/T7 traversal belt) with no luck

worst part is, DS (dancing strikes) is very points hungry, that +3/+4 is very much needed

i need upgrades badly to go higher up

[livid spruce]

The other new runes will probably also help a lot

I don't think it's easy to get a specific T7 +skills affix on a good base with good other affixes

[chrome cove]

unless you're merchant guild lol

gambling my favor away every day, sigh

[echo tangle]

Any CoF guild based on EU?

[strong fjord]

can someone come take me to cof i am on my alt [name same as here]

[zealous granite]

I need help with the same thing, the NPCS didnt show up in act 1 for me

[umbral saffron]

I think you need to merge your stash (from what ppl say) 😄

[marble crystal]

So apparently, the game caps you at 999.999 favor

[umbral saffron]

yep

[stable hamlet]

Indeed it does

[ancient osprey]

never thought of this, but do you guys think its fair that cof has the same stash tab costs as mg

[strong shard]

No its not. CoF players need significant more storage space and have significant less gold. I would fix that with gold prophecies or something

[twin wolf]

it only ramps out of hand above like 100 tabs, hundred tabs is plenty even if u compulsively hoard everything from campaign yellows to every exalted dropped

[umbral saffron]

Meh, we get plenty of boosted gear with bonus LP or t7 chance to compensate in some way... Im at like 130tabs, new one is around 530k and after running several echoes I get enough gold to buy new tab anyway

[twin wolf]

Season 2 does this thing that basicly recycles itemes too so yeah, thats absolutely a user issue afterward xD

[frosty pelican]

Okay so the problem with CoF having access to non guild marked stuff (like gold) is that the optimal sweaty way to play MG can become rolling a CoF character to farm stuff for use on MG.

This happened in 1.0 when you could run key prophecies for 6500 gold or whatever per key sell to vendor

[strong shard]

Oh yeah, thats a good point

[livid spruce]

Same problem with giving CoF cheaper tabs, just make a level 1 char to join CoF in the first town, and that's the char you buy your tabs on

[winter shadow]

i highly believe not enough gold for stash tabs

is hoarders' problem

not cof problem

and the next patch indirectly improve this problem a little bit

with reroll rune and reroll leggy

[livid spruce]

Yeah, since gold isn't really used for much else in CoF, using all your gold on tabs is a low cost. In MG you're burning your buying power.

[winter shadow]

even back in 0.9 i never had issue with tabs

and i was burning gold like hot cakes in arbor back then

[charred quarry]

how many builds were you playing? for me that is the factor that makes the need of tabs explode exponentially

also I've rolled a bleed paladin and see how the market is
frankly they should drop the stash altogether and transform the stash in a "private market" with a max amount of slots (idea copyright: dr3adful)
No inventory tetris madness, no stash tabs that seldom move around, no wasted space because the item height is not a multiplier of stash page height, filtering and search are WORKING, the vendors are your categories

i also wonder how they optimize the market since you are forced to spam list rares and idols to level up your ranking with market faction

[winter shadow]

3-4 or something, i always hyper focus on 1 thing at a time

and i dont think jumping between builds all the time is COF problem, it's personal problem

[ancient osprey]

i can see a world where you can buy cheap cof tabs which only lets you store cof tagged items

[strong shard]

This would cause so much fragmentation in the stash that it probably wouldnt help much

[ancient osprey]

yeeeeaaa you are not wrong, but the reason the prices are the same for cof and mg is cause we share stashes in same game mode, so you kinda have to differentiate the two

maybe they come up with something smarter or we just suck it up

not that it's an issue if you know what you are doing

[frosty pelican]

It is a CoF problem moreso than MG, in MG your "networth" is much more liquid and can be converted more quickly into whatever it is you want, in CoF unless you've pre-planned your next build ahead of time and pre-hoarded many copies of what you need for slams, etc. you'll be doing a lot of farming before you can start playing it.

For items that are cost effective to get via prophecies, you can pretty quickly build these up with very fine tuned targeting and favor grinding (eg. Random drop uniques), but for items with very poor favor efficiency you are going to have a lot of pain.

[winter shadow]

That makes sense

[small spindle]

Inventory management: How do we know when to keep an item and stash it away versus when to Rune of Removal an item? Or do you guys only keep rolls that are 90% of max T6 and all T7 rolls?

[ancient osprey]

entirely depends on how you want to play the game, are you planning ahead for future builds? focusing on one? do you NEED those shards asap, whats the goal here
i personally just check what affixes i wanna use on x current build, put those into a filter for t4+ and removal until i got around ~100, thats more than enough

and "generic" shards you get more than enough just by picking them up

[small spindle]

Are you picking up trash uniques to sell for the gold? 1-2k or so per unique? I'm struggling to buy new tabs at 280k but never played MG so no easy cash from that game.

[wraith hazel]

At season start, maybe until I'm 40-50 or so. Else not worth imo.
If you run into troubles to buy stash tabs, it is rather the priority what to stash and what not

[umbral saffron]

When Im leaving to lobby with merchant then yeah, its still a bit of extra nice gold

[small spindle]

You were right. I went through and did a stash inventory management - setting {category}:[folder] and made Set:Armor Set:Weapons and have 5 vilatria staves, 3 pebble wands scattered throughout my stash tabs. Now that I have them actually organized, I can have 1 of each and replace with better versions.

[ancient osprey]

while you are at it assign affinities to your stash tabs, it helps alot with organizing

especially for uniques

[small spindle]

Affinities? I am not home now (sons birthday lunch) but I have categorized unique/exalted/idols/miscellaneous and then further categorized.

I'll take a peek and see what to do for affinities further beyond rarity - class.when I get home.

[ancient osprey]

you can specify between rarita and item categories, for example unique helmet, unique gloves, exalted boots etc etc

but that requires you to have a specific tab for each "rule" you set so take it slow for starters if you struggle with stash space

[small spindle]

Yep, that's how i have it. I can't do images in here so I'll put them in an imgur album and display my stash. See how we can improve upon it. I wish we could have it create item tabs for dual T7 items and such. But this is better than all other games for an inventoryu management.
https://imgur.com/a/ZZPBk14

[ancient osprey]

looking good, thats all you need ^^ just get a feeling for rare affixes so you dont fill your tabs with stuff you drop on every corner

[rain lion]

Yeah. I hate this part of CoF with needing to administer tons of stash tabs.
At least when I’m doing hideout warrior in PoE I’m playing an economy simulator.
In LE it feels like the vorgons (?) doing bureaucracy from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
Only thing that’s missing is something to hit me in the face when ever I have a thought to play something that wasn’t pre-planned and needs a 80+ % reroll chance affix.

[frosty pelican]

Don't get me wrong, I'll take CoF over econ simulator any day, but yeah getting deep into it can feel like a chore.

Still feels like less of a chore than trading

[slim hare]

you watch your mouth sir

❤️

lol

do not anger the creators of the bazaar - we are vengeful gods

😛 lol

[frosty pelican]

You are entitled to your wrong opinion ❤️

In fairness, I do think MG is vastly superior to the trade PoE has

I am not even against playing MG in LE, I just enjoy CoF so much I haven't tried it

[slim hare]

I didnt say anyone was wrong or right - just not dunking on the opposite one I prefer

😛

[rain lion]

In LE, yeah definitely. Trading is not fun at all.
In PoE I just dump things in a 1 div tab and then lower it 20c after several hours and make a new 1 div dump tab, and then cycle through it.

[frosty pelican]

I know, just pulling your leg

[slim hare]

lol allg

[rain lion]

Do you prefer the strength in items it affords you? Or the running around the square between sale NPCs?

[slim hare]

I just worked heavily on it - and I've spent the last 11yrs of my life (ongoing) working on a WoW AH addon too - so game economy is in my blood lol

no claims on one being better or more fun than the other - its entirely opinion

regardless of the maths

[livid spruce]

And hey, no gripes with the MG backend stuff. The only thing people have any issues with in MG is UX, and despite those it's still a better experience than most trade systems lol.

[rain lion]

Everyone loves their own child unconditionally, me included.

[slim hare]

ya - affix seatching was nice - def want to add unique prop searching and general better UX

im not actually upset - I just like to bust on @frosty pelican lol

❤️

[frosty pelican]

I don't think I said CoF was "better" to be fair xd

MG is definitely stronger

but CoF gives that warm feeling in the loins, you know?

[slim hare]

FS is a dopamine addict

its ok

lol

[frosty pelican]

I need my fix

also I thought this was a CoF enjoyer safe space

[rain lion]

@frosty pelican you should make a video about CoF needing a filter where we can filter out uniques based on name.
so we don't need to waste 60%-70% of the available filter rows on shwing rare uniques

[frosty pelican]

I've talked about it

It's a big issue for sure, many uniques can't be targeted with existing filters if they share a level req / type

It's also pretty unrealistic to expect a normal player to put together one of these insane filters on their own

[rain lion]

hear hear

[twin wolf]

Just mouse over and read them all What can possibly be more entertaining than that while soaking in frosty tower swirlies.

[frosty pelican]

I have rules that hide some of them at a time so I don't get as much eye strain

trying to keep track of a giant pile

[rain lion]

Or having a screen filled with tooltips while trying to dodge a harbinger boss

[frosty pelican]

well on the plus side you can hide them with a hotkey

and when you RIP the loot will get dumped on your head in the zone of shame

so thats good

(referring to the latest teaser Mike dropped)

[twin wolf]

oh man its still like 3 weeks away

[frosty pelican]

3 weeks ugh, I got so much stuff to get done... I need at least a week to do absolutely nothing except LE

[twin wolf]

I'll just rest before I inevitably make 2x level 100 pallies to have access to both MG and CoF without extra headache

while waiting on the next video

[hazy elm]

now please add MG search UI to COF stash so we can search our 150 tabs of hoarding exalteds easier

[tidal isle]

Oh yes, please, better stash search would be an immense help in dealing with CoF stash bloat.

[hazy elm]

they have all the tools already in the game 😏

just need to apply them

[charred quarry]

i heartily endorse this proposal. So much time wasted in organization could be invested in actually playing the game.

[tidal isle]

This is truth.

[little tapir]

I suppose this was already suggested, but a search function for the prophecies we own would be nice. I would like to search for a specific dungeon, boss or mono, so I can check what I have faster

[umbral saffron]

#1217111039858966608 message
Yeah, but no idea If it got to devs 😄 cant go wrong with writing your own suggestion there

[turbid bobcat]

can propheties drop boss only unique ? like throne of ambition ?

[royal jay]

i don't think so, nether drop or help dropping, BUT CoF passives (open Y) makes boss drop more

[wraith hazel]

No they can't.

As Kiwi said, CoF rank 10 help great on boss drops

[turbid bobcat]

oh ok

i just wasted time rerolling for prophecies that means 😭

is it written somewhere in game ?

[wraith hazel]

Prophecies will always only drop global uniques. I mean, fair enough. Else it would be pointless to have boss drops. But it is really easier to farm any boss unique with CoF. Common and uncommon uniques will often drop 3 times at once and rare uniques drop much more often

[turbid bobcat]

yeah the passive is really nice for that

[umbral saffron]

It might not be the only one, but probably is, you can drop Ravenous Void (gloves) from prophecies (still low af chance) which usually drop from Gaspar

[twin wolf]

helps if you stack up 30x Glove prophecies from a 340cor Gaspar mittensplosion

[livid spruce]

Yes, RV is the only item that is both a random drop and a boss drop

[umbral saffron]

Yea which is great until you remember you forgot to turn Harbringer off, so suddenly there is morbilion items on the ground you cant pick up, can barely see stuff on ground, harbringer smashes your face and all the loot it gone.... 😄

[charred quarry]

yeah if i have prophecies loaded normally i always deactivate the harbinger. Less of a hassle even if the envy glyphs are always a loss

[umbral saffron]

What I'll most likely do is

• get favour
• fill prophecies
• use envy glyphs to quickly done needed bosses
• farm a single timeline with harbringers on for favour and envys

[charred quarry]

oh yeah i do the same ONLY if' I'm sure i will kill the harby 99%. Else the harby is sent to the bar and get a beer (or eat EVERYTHING if he's the fat one)

[chrome cove]

not a problem next patch LUL

[umbral saffron]

Are they adding something to it? 😄

[chrome cove]

loot nearby will follow you after death

dunno if that's a weaver faction thing or it'll be the new by default for everyone

[umbral saffron]

hoh, interesting

[royal jay]

Does prophecies proc more LP 1 item, resulting impossibility to put them in Nemesis ?

[ancient osprey]

unless you have the minium 1lp prophecy then no, it just makes you drop the uniques

[royal jay]

ok ty

[little tapir]

and by that he means the uniques will roll on their LP table like normal

[still scarab]

hmmmm what do you guys do in a fresh start or ssf, spend favor to get specific rank bonus(example rank 10 or 11) or just fully wait untill you are 12 so you get the maximum favor spent

[idle galleon]

depends what i need at the time, but if i'm getting close to a good bonus and i need something soon i'll spend up to the rank to break into it, like rank 10 for boss drops.

i try to get uniques via rune of ascendance instead of prophecies since that is an early rank, and save favor for near 12.

[wraith hazel]

100% same strat here

[rain lion]

Spend it all to get to max rank and unlock all the lenses as soon as possible.
While getting gear upgrades while spending it so I can push higher

[twin wolf]

I'm just spending as I go 🤔 It takes like 2-3hrs to farm up a full board of prophecies \w doublers so doesn't make much sense to hoard it for me. So like R2 > R4 > R6 > R10 then its nobrainer spend whenever

[still scarab]

hmmm everything you guys said makes sense

[rustic grotto]

You get more favor the higher rank you are. Spend it. That said, I prefer getting idols first as that has its bonus unlocked early. RoA for uniques should work out until you hit r8.

[still scarab]

thats true, i think they changed that from 1.0?

[idle galleon]

you get more favor, but not as much as if you saved it. 12 ranks is 60% more favor, yet rank 12 doubles your rewards.

[wraith hazel]

If you leave out beacon strats, r12 is a game changer for me too. Getting double rewards is massive at that still quite early point in season.
If you are already beacon farming at this point just spending to climb ranks may indeed a bit more effective

Honestly I personally hope they kinda kill that one. 🙏

[still scarab]

idk about that one but i stick to play normal and progress though echos

[rain lion]

You unlock the bonuses faster if you spend the favor continuously.
Plus you get better items so you can push up higher earlier.

[livid spruce]

You would hit the favor cap if you tried to save from R1 all the way to R12 and waste favor

So rushing the early ranks is good, since each rank gives you a favor rate boost

[idle galleon]

you do have to spend some at some point, but you don't have good lenses or all the lens slots til high ranks, about the time you'd want to push for boss drops or rare to exalted anyway. reaching rank 12 with near capped favor, or the difference spent in prophecies in order to break into rank 12 is ideal.

[livid spruce]

What is ideal depends on your goals, I just want to kill stuff

[idle galleon]

Fair, ideal efficiency then.

[frosty pelican]

The rep gain is derived from XP gain though, sure you could spend a bunch of time rolling prophecy early on to force yourself to the next level, but the main barrier between yourself and rank 12 is the millions of XP you need to get there, of which ranking up sooner won't matter as much as progressing your character to a higher level / further in content.

Additionally, until you get the 2x lenses which increase the cost (therefore reroll efficiency) time spent rerolling is higher / less efficient since you need to click reroll more.

If your goal is R12 as fast as possible you probably want to just play until R10 ish then spent when you have exactly enough for R12

[rain lion]

You don’t need to reroll that much when you’re progressing like you do in late game.
Just getting access to new base types as they unlock with decent rolls, especially weapons, will let you profess to higher corruption faster.

[still scarab]

i tried this but the last 2 levels are insane expensive and you run out of prophecies slots, prob need to do mid 10

i think last 2 levels are around 1.2m?

[frosty pelican]

I did it in 1.1

idk they changed in 1.1.6

7

[rain lion]

The difference might not be super noticeable on a super powerful meta build as on an off meta build.

[livid spruce]

Oh right they reduced the total rep you need

[still scarab]

Reduced the total Reputation needed to reach the highest Rank. Now requires 3.1 million, down from 3.3 million.

this is from 1.1

[livid spruce]

It's 2.05M now

as of 1.1.7

I personally aim to rush R8 and R10 for double LP chance and 2.5x boss drops, since up until I have those I feel less good

To get R8, you can dump all favor a little before you hit R7 if you spent no other favor

then at 500k rep you can dump again for R10

[idle galleon]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/faction/circle_of_fortune

if you have double drop double use lenses, you can bank up 200-300k of prophecies to break into rank 12, purchased at rank 11 that would give rank 12 rewards once you break into it. technically this can go up to about 850k, but it would take hours to get just the right prophecies to enable this.

[ember trout]

just asking but is all of this overthinking it a bit or is this necessaru

[frosty pelican]

if you don't care how fast you progress you don't really need to care about any of it

[still scarab]

I just wanted to know what people do and some opinions

[ember trout]

im not this far along just yet but im almost there so just wanted to make sure i shouldnt be doing something different

[twin wolf]

doing something different might yield interesting results :D u do u

[frosty pelican]

How you spend your favor is actually a lot more important than when you spend it, imo.

Prophecies can be very inefficient or very efficient, depending how you use them. Some prophecies are bad, some lenses are bad, some strategies are way better than others generally, some situational, etc.

[still scarab]

i know, i looked at your guides about lenses and calc, very good ones! <3

[azure ice]

I still have a lil PTSD from opening my legacy COF stash (afraid of getting dced), but the delay has improved a TON.

[potent ferry]

I'm going to look this up and watch it now. Thank you for mentioning this.

[urban turtle]

FrozenSentinel and Community CoF Information and Calculations Compilation G-Sheet

[terse shard]

Is there a specific vid for this? All I see from a quick search is best favor farm etc.

[potent ferry]

Sorry, still waking up...

[terse shard]

Ah no worries

I just ask the man himself

[terse shard]

Is there a specific vid for this please?

[frosty pelican]

tyty, I'll be working to update all this with 1.2 changes as soon as I can as well 🙂

[frosty pelican]

https://youtu.be/8mdkL7XAh4Q this has a bunch of chapters breaking down each topic, I'll probably need to do another for 1.2 with changes. Most of this is still current as 1.1

[frosty pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQqnuPEVr-n376L2KVgh7Nf8fVJMwRMQN and here is a playlist on CoF related stuff

[delicate orchid]

Studio link wont work for us, this should be the link:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQqnuPEVr-n376L2KVgh7Nf8fVJMwRMQN

[frosty pelican]

sorry, fixed

[rich remnant]

Are there any teasers if we get any buffs/changes to CoF in 1.2?

[hazy elm]

Woven echoes teasers alone solved almost all issues cof had

[twin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[rich remnant]

I kind of felt the opposite, since you have to roll CoF more to use targeted echoes from the woven tree, or lp1 guaranteed slam is simply OP on MG

[hazy elm]

Mg will always benefit more

Thats not the point

Lp garanteed slam, havoc rune and lp reroll are three changes that solve most of the issues with gearing on cof

Mg will alway be better for top and bottom 5% thats never gonna change ever

But the gap between top 1%mg and top 1% cof is much lower now

[rich remnant]

hmm, I think I just misrememered something
I was sure there are prophercies that give rewards on completing nemesis or something like that, and it looked as bad synergy with woven tree

but I don't see these in table

oh, it's exiled mage event

well, I'll have to see patch notes then anyway
tho on the bright side, with set items getting buffs, CoF gets some extra benefits too

bit stupid question, but it feels like CoF would feel better if you plan to progress 2+ chars at the same time?

[gilded lark]

and you can now get a lot more exiled mages through echoes

[gilded lark]

yes although it's less planning to progress and more opportunistically making use of the random crap you already got

[rich remnant]

I just meant, that if you instead do no-exiled-mages strat (I suppose that's a thing too?), then you have to roll fortunes longer, for example, since their events are still in the pool

[gilded lark]

sure but why would you do that, mages aren't so bad even at higher corr (compared to nemesis), they are removing their boss shields in s2, and they count as bosses for boss prophecies

also the upgrades to experimental affixes and the new experimental crafting would mean that you want more experimental items, not less

[rich remnant]

I'm just afraid that pool getting diluted and rolling prophecies will get even worse, having to do that more seems kinda bad
I might be straight up wrong ofc
also I hope we get prophecies that proc in woven echoes too

[idle galleon]

With the weaver tree, you can disable reward types you don't want, like keys, gold, glyphs, runes, etc. and get a random reward that aren't those. With so many disabled, you'll hit experience tomes pretty frequently, which should be good for favor over a long period.

[frosty pelican]

Especially early on and especially for leveling alts. Since you can skip to empowered and immediately go to your preferred timeline, you can beeline for the distant echos with an alt, and just pop a bunch of 7x XP tomes in a row

[frosty pelican]

I don't really think the gap has gotten smaller with the 1.2 changes, unless prophecies also saw big numeric buffs comparable to the non prophecy loot buffs. Most of the new stuff we've seen with the Weaver Tree only benefits non prophecy drops, which is a relatively smaller chunk of the CoF power source vs MG where it is everything.

That said, there are prophecy buffs that we haven't fully seen yet (I expected to see that in the talk today but maybe it'll be in an upcoming blog post). Especially around lens changes / favor cost reductions / prophecy changes.

[hazy elm]

wdym? we get garanteed slam, reroll of lp and havoc runes?

these things close the gap a lot

[frosty pelican]

Sure, we do, but how does this benefit CoF more than MG?

[hazy elm]

mg already had all of that lol

if you had enough $$$$$

my point is that for top 1% the gap is smaller

[frosty pelican]

Right but if more powerful items are generated through powerful new systems, then the price of these will come down

I think the ceiling of top CoF and MG players both goes up a lot, for MG, every player has a lot more opportunity to add an insane item for someone onto the market

[rustic grotto]

I dared dream about nemesis weapons being available for CoF, looks like that happenend 😄

[twin wolf]

Was it asked whether we can recycle items via weaver multiple times or its one and done?

[frosty pelican]

Which system are you talking about?

The stat reroll, the LP reroll?

[twin wolf]

the 1:1 lp reroller

[frosty pelican]

yes you can

[twin wolf]

infinite loot

[frosty pelican]

https://youtu.be/e77H7sWfvLA?si=flMFEP-WAGRQHOCf&t=441 here, timestamped from my TLDR video

[twin wolf]

vid up already

holy

[frosty pelican]

yeah I started edit immediately after stream end

6 hours straight, up, done

[twin wolf]

rerolling 36 red rings 🥵

dopamine levels overwhelming

[frosty pelican]

Basically the cycle of a 1LP or whatever unique is:

1. Reroll LP
   2. If 0 LP -> Nemesis
   3. If 1LP -> step 1
   4. If Legendary -> Use as Sacrifice for Divine Orb
   5. If higher LP -> Slam
   6. If success -> Pog
   7. If fail -> Use as Sacrifice for Divine Orb

[twin wolf]

Beacon farming now Supa Beacon farming

ayyy

[rustic grotto]

there is also gamble for crit success on slam now.

Good question which has higher odds of giving you what you want

[frosty pelican]

The crit success chance of happening is also derived from the LP level of the item, basically if you wouldn't expect to get a 2LP Red Ring, you probably also shouldn't expect to farm one via crit success on slamming a 1LP.

The difference between a 2LP Slam and a 1LP Slam fishing for a crit is that for the 1LP you end up wasting significantly more exalts along the way. The expected ROI is lower if you are actually depending on the crit success to proc, and then also land on your desired affix.

[rustic grotto]

also, we will probably have way to many non LP, and with the imprint option, we should be able to get plenty of desired exalts

[frosty pelican]

I don't actually think crit success should factor into your decision making process

[rustic grotto]

Yeah, maybe it just results in less farming for X and just more split farming things

[frosty pelican]

If your goal is say, 2LP, you probably just throw all your 1LPs into the LP gamba

the value of fishing for crit success isn't worth it

Then all the failures from Nem / Slam will be used for affix rerolling

[rustic grotto]

Well, I dont think we can cycle non LP fast enough

[frosty pelican]

That's probably fine, using an LP lower than you otherwise want in a slam is wasting an exalt base for little expected value

Plus we can target nemesis better now

I think they said there is some sort of nemesis specific echo

[rustic grotto]

Good point, that should help

[twin wolf]

Haven't had enough red rings to test with but with Null Portents I've egg'd up 2x raw* 2LP out of ~100 I've put there. Nems is legit if you try hard enough :D

[winter shadow]

those 2 items 2LP odd is very far from each other

Null 2LP chance is 0.6%

[hazy elm]

i disagree, mg top floor is not changed whatsoever because no amount of changes will allow u to have 3lp red rings or 2-3lp rav void, and below that already was available for mg

[winter shadow]

and RR is 0.068%

[twin wolf]

I've dropped items with half that % while being MG, nothing is impossible :D

[winter shadow]

like what exactly?

and LP rolls and drop rate are 2 completely different thing

dunno why you bring dropping item up

[twin wolf]

one of the relics or something, 3LP tho and yh clearly slightly below RR

just sayin its not that much doom and gloom :D if I could get it others can for sure, my rng sux a$$

[winter shadow]

nvm what im saying, egg for sure is a godsent for getting LPs on things like RR

ie things that have astronomical drop rate, but not so bad LP roll chance

[twin wolf]

gotta love how some items with low level req have LP threshold of 90 xD looking at you Prism Wraps

[winter shadow]

i mean prism warp is kinda an outdated item

but if you look at what it provides

makes sense

all it needs is one line of 1 beefy stat and it's gonna be one of the most busted chest piece

or something like 250 armor instead of 25

[stable bane]

question as i just started playing LE again.. had 400h on release season1

is there any way for me to farm gold efficiently in Cof?

i started going to normal league and had to buy all stashes again and wa sonly at 1mil gold.. that was only enough for half my season1 stash tabs to tranfer over..

and running lvl 100 monolits gives almost NO gold.. it drops 20-100 stackts of gold sometimes and even the gold monolight only gives like 15-30k-ish ?

took me almost an hour for a stash tab to farm. is there any new way i missed? i also missed the key thing at the beginning and only knew it when it was already fixxed.

selling items is also not viable. they give almost no gold .. like 5-80gold a piece?

[winter shadow]

push your corruption as high as possible

that's it

[stable bane]

does it give more gold in higher corruption?

[idle galleon]

yes you can get 10s of thousands of gold from a single monolith echo chest

[stable bane]

i tried to get the more gold multiplier passive node but for the love of god it dosnt show up 😄

and my wraithlord build from season1 is kinda gutted xD

instead of 400k he does like 5-20k now 😄

but thanks for the info, will go for higher corruption now

i just spammed monos and tried to find the gold monolits

[idle galleon]

probably just need to rebuild it. wraithlord is still a top tier build capable of 5k corruption. look for Keeper's guide (member here on discord).

[twin wolf]

It takes a while to farm up all stash tabs as CoF but you've got nowhere else to spend it really apart from arbor gamba

[stable bane]

will do thank you 🙂 y my wraithlord is lvl 98 and was pumping and not dying but now its dmg is kinda low and i die even in normal lvl 100 monolits on some aoes oneshot 😄

with max res but i think energy shield was nerfed aswell.. having only 3k seems kinda low and i dont remembe rit was that low when i palyed last time. with the chest that drains life for es

[gilded lark]

behold as with the new 1 lp slam change you will always be able to put t7 int on it and it will make little difference on overall build paradigm

but I guess that it will in fact become a lot more usable for leveling and early gearing

those aspects are gonna change quite a bit once it's many orders of magnitude less annoying to get those slams

[stable bane]

did that and wow.. back to 70-100k hits 🙂 thanks, glad i had all the items for that in my bank xD not like in the guide with LP stats.. but it works xD ty

its completelydifferent gameplay, befor i summoned zombies to sac for wraith ^^

[deft crag]

Will be in season 2 aswell.

?

[gilded lark]

Have you seen the balance patch notes? neither have we

[deft crag]

Ah

My bad g

[gilded lark]

11th

[deft crag]

Tnx

[azure ice]

This will be a much better loop for COF. Failing tier 7 affix slams on LP3 items is such a feel bad moment.

Min/maxing with COF is more achievable now in season 2. I’m hyped!

[rich remnant]

I've missed something, mind telling what is "divine orb" in LE?

[livid spruce]

Divine in this context means rerolling all the stats on a unique

PoE term

[frosty pelican]

^ Rerolling stats. Better analogy is divine orb + blessing orb though. Rerolls explicit and implicit modifiers.

[marsh tree]

Just for clarification: a divine orb in path of exile can reroll the stats of any Non-corrupted item, this includes uniques. Divine Orbs are also the major trade currency of the game.
LE's crafting option only allows uniques, but doesn't require spending a trade currency, it requires uhh...One of the endgame thingies, I don't remember from the streams. :>

[livid spruce]

Right, I only intended to explain the term for LE. The reroll costs both the woven echo and another copy of the unique/legendary of equal potential tier to be sacrificed.

[marsh tree]

Yeah fair enough, just wanted to provide some more context 👍

It's nice that we can reroll unique stats now if the rolls actually matter a lot

[rich remnant]

I was confused, you both meant new reroll in 1.2, and I was thinking that you somehow applied reroll rune, and was extremely confused about where does sacrifice part come from
now I understand what it was about

[valid bay]

Do i even care slamming something on LP 1 Exsanguinous ?

or i rather wait and farm for better LP ?

[broken spade]

1LP is one in 3.
2LP is one in 14.
(at 0 corruption)
half these values if CoF rank 8
(2LP is one in 7)

so it's super common

[gilded lark]

small brain: wait with the slam until you get a better exs
big brain: wait until the new patch where you'll be able to guarantee your 1 lp slam

galaxy brain: start a new character in seasonal league with the new patch anyways and forget about your 1 lp exs

[valid bay]

Thanks , and is there any REASON for me to hold every single unique i get ?

i know i can use 0 LP for those Eggs to give me legendary one ,but apart from that ?

[gilded lark]

right now not much, but with new crafting options in s2 you will have more use for 1 lp uniques

unless it's on a shit base that can't be salvaged by anything

[valid bay]

Okay okay, guess ill keep holding onto everything 😄

in general i am really bad in what things to keep / shatter etc

[idle galleon]

1LP is a good target for a temporary slam, since you can get plenty of them. If you have none slammed yet, you might as well find a t6 of the affix you like and try to slam it while you try to find a t7 to slam on another one later.

[dire oasis]

Seeking input/experiences. I'm an ultra casual and completely torn on MG vs CoF. I plan on play a "few hours" per week... but I've heard the longer the Season goes the stronger CoF potentially gets? How does it feel to essentially rely completely on CoF RNG to sustain your play or experience new classes?

[idle galleon]

It's not that CoF gets stronger, but MG prices itself out of usefulness if you don't play regularly and can keep up with the inflating economy.

[dire oasis]

Are you going CoF in S2 @idle galleon

[wraith hazel]

CoF still needs time to ramp up, so I feel Counterspell is not too wrong here.

In the end I would say CoF may still be more interesting for super casual players. If you have not much playing time you probably don't want to spend too much time with finding out what things are worth, what to look out for to sell and such.

While as CoF player you can just take what you get and focus more on yourself and your build

But I'm a stronlgy biased CoF fanboy, just to say that

<@&1161418687471956101>

❤️

[idle galleon]

yes. i don't play to pick up gear for others and then buy stuff to equip. i want to find and craft my own items.

[wraith hazel]

This! If I take something, I know it comes from a friend that I play together with most of the time.

This is how it feels right 😛

[mental dome]

I vibe more with trade no you are objectively correct having limited hours to playmerchant would eat some of tha5 price checking

[tired furnace]

What is currently the best favor/hour strategy for HC purpose (so low corrupt)?

[idle galleon]

beacon farm at a corruption comfortable for you

[livid spruce]

Look up Frozen Sentinel's video

[distant vessel]

common CoF chad

[valid bay]

What should be my goal for new patch ? Do i just hoard uniques ? I have seen that new eternity cache which can guarantee T6 or T7 affix of choosing

[gilded lark]

most new mechanics don't have any obvious bias for COF so you just interact with them as usual

[valid bay]

so i just hoard them as usual , but difference is that Eternity Cache will be more like guaranteed for affix , so i still farm as usual ?

[gilded lark]

eternity cache will be less frustrating. Your set items will have a use. 1 lp uniques will have a better use. You can try to salvage uniques with bad rolls via the reroll feature, etc. These mechanics are not directly tied to COF so your interaction with COF is unlikely to change in a major way

other that you will want to collect those t7 resists exalts too

so prepare uran.. your stash tabs

[valid bay]

my stash tab costs around 80k now :/ full of uniques etc

[gilded lark]

those are rookie numbers, are you even trying if you don't have 200?

[frosty pelican]

200 tab gang rise up

[frosty pelican]

Unless there is a massive shift in prophecies you'll probably want to use the weaver tree to target your exalts, and use your favor to target uniques and other miscellaneous stuff. Just due to how prophecy targeting is not great for exalts right now.

You'll probably also want to target the new crafting systems with woven echo imprint that you need for your build.

I just made a video on COF interaction with the new weaver faction stuff
https://youtu.be/LYoiqYtt93A?si=Chv4_QaVO8D53rOA

[valid bay]

I will check , thanks

[valid bay]

Oh yeh i usually buy when i run out of space 😄 i sort them out like NO LP , 1LP , 2 LP , 3 LP

[frosty pelican]

This is the way. IMO it also helps to sort T6 and T7 until you eventually stop picking up T6 so that you can tell at a glance what something is on stash search. For 1.2 you'll probably also want to separate out multi exalt items, start by picking all of these up for potential rune of havoc use. Also do this for movement speed boots since all boots have implicit ms

[gilded lark]

lol I just have 110 exalts tabs and dump shit into them randomly and then waste time trying (unsuccessfully) to find it using the (vastly inadequate) stash search

[twin wolf]

I only do that to regular exalts :D doubles/triples/quads have separate tabs that are carefully managed

[azure ice]

Refracting Lens of Rhyme favor cost increased to 105% (from 80%).

Refracting Lens of Wealth favor cost increased to 110% (from 90%).

Is this a typo why has COF been nerfed?

[royal jay]

I already told you WHY :: if falconer and MG are Overpower => Nerf CoF !

[hazy elm]

Added a new lens to the Observatory to block all events except Monoliths.
Increased speed of prophecy rerolling by 100%.

cof fixed

kekw

[twin wolf]

EZ Clap plans dont change can finally sleep 🫡

[hazy elm]

100% animation speed is insane

[royal jay]

i just want 7 slots for lenses

[twin wolf]

I'd take 5 or 4 any day. Three is too much cbt. Maybe not with the new one for Monos only, we'll see

[azure ice]

Is there anyone grinding end game as COF who’s not using 2x uses and 2x rewards as lenses? I’m surprised those haven’t been worked in to the rank system to open up more slots.

[royal jay]

i am not using them but it's my bad, i just hate so much dungeon / arena in Hardcore that i put :: no arena no dungeon + last item i need (2h axe / body armor) not optimise (x2 is WAY better ii think)

i didn't do the math

[azure ice]

I like to run very strict loot filters and target tier 7s. I’ve found 2x uses + 2x rewards is by far the most efficient way. Also creates a very nice size lootsplosion.

[royal jay]

Seems way funnier, i saw Chantatsu's video on red ring was impressiv

[still scarab]

i was expecting both rhyme and wealth to be nerfed but maybe too much?

sure blocker is much better and specific things are easier but dunno

[gilded lark]

I distinctly remember Mike saying that one or both of these effects will be rolled into prophecies baseline to account for the fact that literally everybody was using them

I see that was a fat load of lies

gotta nerf the weaker faction instead

[gleaming mirage]

Well right now they both reduce the cost per effective prophecy proc and reduce the cost spent on rerolls per prophecy proc by letting you get multiple when you roll it

I think you'll still want at least one

[lavish hinge]

hype

[rich remnant]

so basically it went from "kinda must have" to "qol for extra cost" category?..
I'd understand if it became 100% extra cost, but now it just reads as "wanna have funnier lootxplosions - get less loot"
I mean, now it makes sense to use other lenses since these straight up nerf your loot in a way, so devs increased variety, but still sucks
would be cool if they done as Ashunava said and incorporated as baseline instead, or added extra slots for these specifically

[rich remnant]

59:56 timestamp
https://www.youtube.com/live/8O8lFqs_mqw?si=WcbAcTZzOTIHxQoa&t=3596

[gilded lark]

yea so I didn't hallucinate that

"we'll make that lens effect exist all the time [...] to relieve some pressure on lenses"

[rich remnant]

well, now that these 2 lenses are "you get less loot" you want to use them less, so pressure is indeed lessened

[still scarab]

more rerolling simulato

[gilded lark]

omegarip

telescope warriors stonks

[azure ice]

COF is nerfed every patch. I’m sure frozensentinel will make a vid about the patch, but increasing favor cost to the two most important lenses is a bad move. EHG Mike does bring up a good point on MG now has gold tax, but COF root issue is the amount of favor you throw away at rerolls

[gilded lark]

spend 300% more time rerolling prophecies

[still scarab]

hey we got 100% more speed

im prob gonna use 1 of the 2 just for the amount of time you save rerolling

[gilded lark]

tbh the whole constellation system should be reworked or removed. Imagine if it was a giant node map representing the whole sky, and you could point your telescope at different sections to choose different locations. From which you could go from node to node picking up random(ish) prophecies or choosing to reroll each individual node, or modify it by changing conditions or rewards

[still scarab]

ill take the 5% favor cost

[rich remnant]

well, with blocking non-mono and using these 2 losts you can target things better, but still not that cool

[gilded lark]

instead of just being a boring slot machine

[still scarab]

well time to give feedback when patch goes live

[azure ice]

thats a good idea

[tacit flare]

Refracting Lens of Rhyme favor cost increased to 105% (from 80%).
Refracting Lens of Wealth favor cost increased to 110% (from 90%).
Doesn't this just make them useless? Get double but pay more than double

[still scarab]

you spent less time and less favor in rerolling

[tacit flare]

Glad they buffed targeting lenses though

[frosty pelican]

You'll actually reroll less and get more items by running 2x lenses over block arena / dungeon lenses because there are so few arena / dungeons event types to begin with, very few are being removed from the pool.

I do have a spreadsheet for the math, but tldr it's not even close

[rich remnant]

Added a new lens to the Observatory to block all events except Monoliths.
what about new block all non-mono lens + lens for targeting, let's say, rings? for example, in case I'm only hunting red rings?

[sly birch]

im going COF, screw the economy

[charred quarry]

kinda sad. I hoped they would have merged the buff lenses. So we could have the slot to limit the game mode and the last slot for the desired item type. Especially for weapons/offhand the item type is kinda mandatory, too many types of stuff

[charred quarry]

i wonder what the numbers will reveal. Sacrifice a buff lens to equip a item type lens? Or keep the buffs and reroll many more time to get the desired item type?
what method will waste less favor?

[frosty pelican]

I'm skeptical that buff lenses will lose but it should be closer now, that said, the "80%" or "90%" more cost lenses were never actually what they stated

the 1.8x cost lens actually ranged from 1.67x to 2x depending on the prophecy

[charred quarry]

wait i just got the notification, dammitt has published a page for the new items

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/version/version120/changes/items
Refracting Lens of Rhyme
105% more cost (multiplicative with other modifiers) of all Prophecies but they offer twice as many uses before expiring

Refracting Lens of Wealth
110% more cost (multiplicative with other modifiers) of all Prophecies but they offer double the rewards on completion

they now cost MORE of their worth (105% for 100% and 110% for 100%, all MORE)
if we don't have other modifiers that can lower those cost percentage, they become just a CONVENIENCE lens, no more efficience
or am I reading it wrong?

[frosty pelican]

it was always "more"

[fickle cave]

Are the tier/break points of leveling CoF the same?

[twin wolf]

kinda, mg just feels faster if u liquidate lotsa 0goldXfavor stuff I guess

[broken breach]

For Casual Dad gamer and potentially grouping with my brother, will CoF be ok still or is Merchants more accessible? I like CoF more out of gameplay, but if I remember correctly it takes a while to get going.

[terse shard]

I've leveled both from scratch, and mg is worse at low levels. At least with cof you get full set explosion at low levels, and those can be pretty good now due to the new mechanic. For mg you really need to analyze each drop or get a really good loot filter to identify items to sell and stuff. Plus you can fall behind super fast if you don't no life it, since prices are cheap at the start and will get more and more expensive as time goes

[broken breach]

Yeah, that is very much like it is one PoE. That's why I like CoF more, its more dependant on yourself and there is no hindrance but your own progress. How about Resonance, Item gifting and CoF, how does that work?

[gilded lark]

patch notes dont say anything about changes to those

[red grail]

You'll also not get screwed by insane inflation if people start duping again...

[broken breach]

Yeah you got me convinced 😊 we'll go cof

[red grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mdkL7XAh4Q

A good video to check out, but ofc some changes since then now

[broken breach]

Thanks!

[rich remnant]

Hmm, any ideas on priorities on Weaver Tree? CoF specific, or in general...
I think I wanna go with something like that, but idk where to put last 4 points (for now I left them untouched coz for sure it's not going to be easy to get all 50)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy8K6wyB

[oblique flax]

Marksman, Level 85

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (58) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,174, Regen: 17.9/s
▸ Mana: 168.23, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 18%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 80 Dex / 9 Int / 21 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 72% / 116% / 82% / 60% / 75% / 108%
▸ EHP: 2,737 / 2,658 / 2,737 / 2,852 / 2,380 / 2,737 / 2,737

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 235
▸ Dodge Chance: 31% (952)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 12% (265)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 66%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Fire, Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shift (21)
• Puncture (21)
• Decoy (21)
• Heartseeker (23)

Used unique items:

• Reign of Winter
• Troaka's Teeth
• Mourningfrost
• Ucenui's Sphere
• The Kestrel
• Peak of the Mountain

[rich remnant]

(wish you could share just weaver tree, without build lmao)

[steady kayak]

I think weavers tree might be something where everyone has different priorities according to their builds

Champions could be more or less important for example

[twin wolf]

I'll be looking forward to spawning owobyss every now and then in echos xD

[rich remnant]

I went for champions as lizard generators, but their affixes are useless for my build yeah

[steady kayak]

i definitely want all the memory amber stuff asap

[rich remnant]

do you really need lots of it?

[steady kayak]

because the idol enchants are amazing for my build (VK Time Rot) so i want to reroll as much as possible on them

can always pay to unspec out of them once ive got good idols

[rich remnant]

alr you convinced me where to put last points :)

[livid spruce]

Plus, getting memory amber is how you rank up The Woven, so good to grab all that first to get weaver points faster to start

[gilded lark]

I'm gonna focus nemesis nodes in weaver

[lavish hinge]

hey chat, when i am leveling and i finished act 7 and got all my passives and so on.. is it possible that somebody else will invite me to act 9 to get portal to choose the CoF?

[last bloom]

unless they've changed the system, people do usually ask for faction taxis so yes

[idle galleon]

can put a ~ before the link to bypass the bot

[broken breach]

Thanks for the recommend, I'll surely come back to it for reference 😊

[frank ginkgo]

didn't they say that you will be able to tp to the faction hq in the new season? ofc, without being able to go back to the city
or was that for alts?

[royal jay]

Alts can pick in the first town (lvl 3)

[frank ginkgo]

yes, i know that, it's just that you cannot travel to the hq straight away even if you can choose the faction on alts

[royal jay]

true !

[gilded lark]

alts only, still gotta unlock it normally once per league

[normal cliff]

Any idea on at what level in CoF we would be able to get enough gold to respec roughly?

[last bloom]

that's too vague of a question and has too many variables

1. you might buy runes of shattering
2. you might gamble quite a bit while leveling the main char / alts
3. the cost increases with level so the sooner you do it the cheaper it will be
4. you might turn off the gold rewards in monos

[normal cliff]

Oh is mastery respec not a flat cost?

I thought it was just 500K

[steady kayak]

it depends on level

[last bloom]

i'll just write the last 4 mentions of cost since i can't paste images here
60: 50k
70: 100k
90: 600k
100: 1m

[normal cliff]

Oh wow ok

thats much less than I expected

[last bloom]

i mean... such a thing should be less punishing / costly the earlier you do and grow exponentially at late endgame so i'd say it's kinda fairly priced

also it will cost more than that due to it also respeccing all of the points i guess
The cost to respec your mastery scales from 100g at level 1, up to 1,000,000g at level 100 and is combined with the price for respeccing all allocated passive points.

[normal cliff]

I mean I'm happy about it for sure

[hazy elm]

100% iincreased prophecy reroll animation speed is the biggest W, and fck all redditors kekeke

[near gale]

are there generic filters highlighting rare stuff to pick up even if i'm not actively planning on rolling another toon

[wraith hazel]

I would always recommend to engage youself with the filter. It's super easy to set up and no one else can ever make a really fitting filter for you.

[near gale]

yeah sure, i have a filter setup for my current build
but i don't have the game knowledge to know what's rare, let alone filter for it

i don't want something insane to drop and me leave it on the floor

even if it's not immediately useful

[terse shard]

It's just incredibly daunting tbh from an ex poe player, which has a very good filter already prepared for you. Even I myself engage actively with the filter after reaching harbingers, which is why I don't even have any hybrid health shards

[terse shard]

Search up loot filter in 5 mins or less from tenkiei on yt, it's a pretty good starting point

[near gale]

i'll take a look, thanks

[terse shard]

There's also the universal cof loot filter by frozensentinel, THE guru on cof, but I haven't tested it yet

[wraith hazel]

🙈

[terse shard]

@frosty pelican hello there, would you update your universal cof loot filter for 1.2 please?

[twin wolf]

bro got pinged at like 4am 🙈

[terse shard]

Rip mb, it's like 4 pm here. I forgot timezones exist 😦

[twin wolf]

😆

sub to his yt to redeem urself 🫣

[terse shard]

I'm way ahead of you

[wooden shuttle]

depends on your build but FrozenSentinel has an excellent video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYoiqYtt93A

and will have to do a lot of respeccing depending on your current gear/goals, but for example ill leave most of the woven echo stuff out early on and grab all exalt stuff/imprints + nemesis + shade for VK gear

[twin wolf]

going left on the weaver tree grabs all the ember things too, which will make you prog faster with the faction

[frosty pelican]

2 am but yea

It's not really universal since CoF is filtering for what you want specifically, I can make a filter video though on what is important.

Probably not going to do it for all the uniques yet like last time, doesn't matter that much early on

[rich remnant]

My main question with making a tree rn is unknown sustain of woven maps
Depending on how good or bad it is, tree will differ
I think on streams I've seen quite a lot of echoes in inventory, but it might be a dev account and we'll have different droprate

[gilded lark]

bro you are not in poe anymore, you dont "sustain woven maps" and also almost all of them can be bought from their vendor for a couple thousands gold

just read what they are doing, most of them are like dungeons - you are gonna be doing them for something specific and not just cause it's like a normal map but with extra loot

[red helm]

Perfectly said

[drifting marsh]

this same now we buy echo in NPC shop =))

[river bloom]

Can i trade cof itens with my friends?

[livid spruce]

You can use the gifting system, but not the trade system (Bazaar). You can gift any equipment that drops among any players that were there in the zone with you when it dropped, or otherwise you have to use the very rare resonances to gift.

[river bloom]

Well thats a bummer since some of the people i planned to play with dont have much time and i was hoping to save itens for them

[jade cloud]

welp time for MG

[river bloom]

So if i pick MG i can give them the itens?

[delicate orchid]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/resonance

[jade cloud]

I think i was wrong

[delicate orchid]

you need to play together (faction is irrelevent) and by playing together you will eventually find Resonances, which you can then use to gift any item

if you never actually play together, you wont be able to gift much

[livid spruce]

Not exactly, direct trade is disabled currently, and they still need to have the appropriate faction rank and favor to make the trade

you'd have to slap it up on bazaar and hope they can find it

[river bloom]

Ok i undestands about the resonance now, but how rare is it? Say we play 30min to an hour a day together

[livid spruce]

They are adjusting the resonance rates in S2 I think, but we don't have any details on it yet - at the current rate, you'd very very rarely get any resonances that way

I think the rate is bugged currently tbh

[river bloom]

Wow thats harsh

[livid spruce]

but I get the feeling they more balance it around you playing 70-90%ish of the time with the person

[jade cloud]

i see a thread here https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b1ghl2/resonance_drop_chance_is_too_low/

related to xp hmm

10h for 2 golden resonace is rough

[hazy elm]

seems like s2 will be arena meta champion juicing and the imprint node that allows to drop t7 sealed items on right base with sealed affix of your choice is crazy, didnt find anything even close to that on woven tree and ct guys also saying its very strong

[rustic grotto]

So, is blocked everything but xp tomes and then spamming sepulchre of the lost a thing?

[hazy elm]

sepulchre of the lost?

[rustic grotto]

"Delve into a vast Tomb of the Erased and defeat the Fateweavers to claim the echo specific rewards of all surrounding echoes."

[hazy elm]

nono, im talking abt warriors riches node

every champion has chance to drop of piled exalteds with gatanted seal

seal is one of the affixes you put as imprint

and they are the same type

[rustic grotto]

Yeah, I got that part, I am wondering if this is also a thing

[hazy elm]

it might but makes more sense to use the reset echos in a radius, someone spoiled that there will be woven echo to reset completion

or maybe both

[rustic grotto]

wait.. so create paths of lots of vacuum echos surrounded by tomes, then reset to keep going back and forth

[hazy elm]

ye

doubt tomes is the way tho werent they quite nerfed?

favor cache looks great for only 2 points probably will be great

[rustic grotto]

yep, cache seems solid, though if it can be anywhere, not sure we will find it even if it spawned

[gilded lark]

depends entirely on drop rates and the sealed affix tiers, hard to judge it without having that info. Maybe the chance of decent drops from these is just gonna be super low

[gilded lark]

^

[rustic grotto]

Well, with guaranteed T7 slams, exalts need a clear up to stay achievable. Champion imprint does look like that is how to get it

[ancient osprey]

after detailed calculations and min maxing i need roughly 50 more points in the weavers tree

[ancient osprey]

am i being dumb or is there no woven echo for idol crafting, cant find it in letools

https://www.lastepochtools.com/endgame/monolith/woven-echoes

[steady kayak]

idol crafting is at the end of tombs and cemetaries not woven echoes

[ancient osprey]

uuuuh i see ty

[livid spruce]

There are woven echoes that give more of them, too

[ancient osprey]

i was just trying to figure out which ones to imprint, probably the ones you cant buy right

[livid spruce]

idk which ones though, they said up to 4-use idol crafting tables could generate in woven echoes

[rich remnant]

lmao, yeah, but if we don't need to sustain them then why there's so many nodes for cemetery chance, echoes drops etc etc
so I'm trying to see if I can just put 1 point here and there and it will be fine, or I'll need way more of them 🧐
honestly speaking, I still not quite get how cemeteries and echoes work, so I'll just wait till 17th and see myself, since I'm going CoF there's no need to rush and have 100% strategy beforehand

[steady kayak]

i didnt see any specific woven echoes in that list for it... so maybe its at the bottom of tombs inside woven echoes?

[livid spruce]

Yeah, must not be marked, or its tied to something specific like all boss fights have them or something

or all non-crafting, non-boss woven echoes?

the unmarked ones

[rare willow]

What do you all think about exp tome farming with weaver tree? Worth early for favour? Block diffrent echo rewards and 20% chance for double it.

[lost sedge]

Exp tomes don't get doubled.

[terse shard]

Noob q coming, for cof are you supposed to immediately start doing prophecies from campaign, or do you just save all your favors?

[lost sedge]

You get plenty of favor, it doesn't hurt to have a few prophecies on you early on but it doesn't hurt to wait either. I prefer jumping in as soon as possible.

[rare willow]

Even without double. As an extra is it worth it?

[wraith hazel]

10 for 2 golden is bullshit, sorry. Rather expect 10-20 golden in 10 hours.
2 Obsidian, that may be the case

[twin wolf]

Believe it or not after ~200hrs with my buddy I've dropped 0 obsidians while he got 1. He's generally on the luckier side from me so it was quite the surprise xD His seasons start/end with dropping 4LPs that have like five-six 0s after the .

[wraith hazel]

I only play party, and I don't belive it. You have overseen them.
Their drop is quite kill/time based and if you play a full day party, you see one for sure, mostly 2 if it was a longer session

It is less then 10 hours for an Obsidian, that's a fix thing. For every Obsidian ever

[twin wolf]

Unless they were filtered its highly unlikely I'd miss something that'd allow me to do specifically what we were after - helping each other gear up. I don't think I've run any complicated filters at that point too, was using the ArreatSummit one

dropped the img at #📚┃off-topic 6 goldens used to be ~10 goldens in that same time frame I believe

Idk, I just chalk it up to my bad luck. My RNG in any game is about the same xdd Still one common reso per ~20hrs and like zero less common ones, cmon. We just resorted to MG and solo play in the end

[wraith hazel]

There's (almost) no luck factor in resonance drop, that is certain.
We dropped almost a 3 digit count in 4 cycles (1.0; 1.1; 1.1.7 HC and 1.1.7 SC) and every of the almost 100 Obsidian we dropped, dropped almost in sync for us.
No rng here, just honest work 🙂

Btw you can't filter them afaik, but we often found one while backtracking. I don't know why, but sometimes they can easily be overlooked 🤷‍♂️

[twin wolf]

psure they do drop last in the loot sequence (like echo reward chest kinda) but aint no way xdd if they are time-bound even if I skipped them all my buddy would've told me to come loot it (as it happened with the one he did, I was kinda tilted at that point so I just skipped it), I'm also psure we need to be on the same screen ig for them to drop at all, two people with above-avg gaming experience cant possibly be that highly regarded at the same time xdd

[strong shard]

Do I spend all my favor before the patch with the old lense costs? Or do I wait for season 2 for the new prophecies? Whats the legacy players plan here?

[ancient osprey]

im waiting for season 2, i dont see a point of doing anything pre patch and even if you did, how far is it gonna get you realisticly

[strong shard]

fair point, thanks!

[gilded lark]

And why do we get so many champion nodes in the tree when the main draw of champions is champion affixes, which are a very small and niche pool that is simply not relevant for over 80-90% of builds? I guess we'll see once it goes live

[rich remnant]

I'm picking champions to generate lizards xD

[terse shard]

If a rare item drops as exalt, can my filter sees it if I hide all rares?

[delicate orchid]

exalted is a separate rarity to rares, so if the item drops as exalted it will not be picked up by rare rarity filters

im not sure where an exalted set item would be ranked, but that is only craftable anyway, so shouldnt drop naturally

[potent ferry]

I believe that it's considered a set item, and I think imprinting can make them drop. Not sure though.

[delicate orchid]

oh hmm imprinting is a good one, that would make it a relevant filter

[twin wolf]

wording on these imprints doe... why make it so vague xd

[potent ferry]

Howso vague?

[delicate orchid]

"similar"
uhuh, so how similar are we talking here? I know mike did mention a few things that could change, but i forgot most already.
Is a Wand technically similar to a 2h Sword if it has the same 4 affixes?

The tooltip helps a bit

[twin wolf]

similar means rare most likely xD but we'll see

this similar is bugging me I guess idk lol

[rustic grotto]

I look at it like this: If I imprint a obsidian sceptre with T7 spell crit I get:

• Increases change to drop sceptres
• Increases change to drop obsidian sceptre
• Increased change for exalted
• Increased change for spell crit

[potent ferry]

The problem is that so many different things can change it would be difficult to list them all.

[twin wolf]

warlord riches in particular gonna be such a troll lol, u get sealed affix buut its t1 gl

[granite light]

what's the best lens combo for target farming a non boss unique drop?

bit out of it

[twin wolf]

mono-only lenses with doublers is the way I guess

[granite light]

So unique drop rate plus blessing, then whatever item I’m targeting? Do they stack?

[twin wolf]

you have 3 blessings that kinda affect unique drop rates, unique drops+wep slot+armor slot yea

then rarity and distance from starting point does the rest

[granite light]

Cheers!

[steady kayak]

Reforged set items cannot drop

[potent ferry]

Then why is there video of them doing exactly that in a clump?

Was that just the Shards?

[steady kayak]

yes

[potent ferry]

Ah. Well that's good to know.

[twin wolf]

You put set items into woven forge/thing => it pops out set shards you can use on rares/exalts => ??? => profit (play 🦅 its op)

[steady kayak]

A little more effort if you want to get them to 7

Because the only way is through havoc runes

[twin wolf]

🎲 time hehehe

[terse shard]

pardon me, as I'm totally new to cof, but to farm a specific item like red ring, do you have to spend a really long time rerolling favours? Because I've included stuff like "more unique" lenses, and block certain quests, but I'm only able to get "unique jewellery" mostly, and not too much "unique" ring. Or is the new lense to block all except monoliths going to solve this issue?

[steady kayak]

You don’t only have to take the perfect prophecies

[terse shard]

is prophecy repeatable btw? There's number 5 next to my "kill a boss - mono", I have just done it before, but now it's still there.

[steady kayak]

Yes you get a number of uses of the prophecy, there are 2 numbers that matter one to tell you how many times you can use the prophecy and one to tell you how many of the kills you need

And you really should be using the double uses lens and the double quantity lens

[terse shard]

oh they require rank 8, but I'm still at 6. Should I wait for rank 8 before doing prophecies then?

[steady kayak]

Nah, I know there’s some super efficiency people out there who will tell you to wait all the way til the last rank because muh efficiency but imo just play the game and have fun

[twin wolf]

u can get favor-capped in a couple hours anyway, early on every piece of gear matters

[nimble crater]

Added a new lens to the Observatory to block all events except Monoliths.

This is in the patch notes but not in letools yet?

100% Increased Chance per rank to find Events that are not Monolith Prophecies
This is the only new greater lens that I could find

[twin wolf]

They are probably mixed with other lens and not marked as new or not added to the db yet, haven't really checked yet lemme see

Eh, its 1 new Focusing Lens of Time the rest just got tuned I guess, Refracting Lens of Time and Wealth in particular.

[nimble crater]

And the phrasing I copied is from the one new lens, which doesn't fit the patch notes. THus my question

[twin wolf]

fix yo gaem dammit

[stone folio]

Will COF be best at league start? Ppl in global were saying MG will be best

[potent ferry]

MG will always progress you faster towards a specific objective than CoF.

Whether that means it is 'better' depends on your value criteria.

[wraith hazel]

I mean, the general CoF player is happy, from MG players I see a LOT of issues.
So in making people happy, CoF is better. 😊

And we have the longer breath.
It may take longer but the common CoF chars I see are usually more shiny then the MG chars I see. 🤷‍♂️

[twin wolf]

Key difference is time yet again, took me like 3 days to gear up my druid in 4-5 3LPs with MG, it'd probably take 10 times longer with CoF. Higher rarity stuff is more steadily available to CoF though so there's always a tradeoff I guess.

[nimble crater]

Mike replied: current phrasing on letools is wrong and we do get the announced lens

And regarding CoF vs MG I don't think they need to be balanced in any way..it's like picking SSF in PoE but you get a massive chunk of buffs along with it. You pick it because you don't want market pressure to influence your gameplay

[hazy elm]

its not even that, its build depending, anything that doesnt have many exalted items can easily be maxxed out on cof

faction is a part of builds planning

[storm nest]

everything is flowers until you can't get the build enable unique for your build because of pure rng issue, and on trade it costs literally 0 gold, because people list commom uniques just to spend favor

[nimble crater]

🤷‍♀️ yeah if you look at the prices on trade you'll be probably better off playing on trade. Or you'll forever make comparisons that only make you unhappy

[storm nest]

Last season when they introduced it, I did one character of both. I had t7 stats on my legendaries before I got to 200 corruption on the mg guy. The cof was running around in flat uniques till waaaay later. Like I just bought 3 2lp versions of the weapon, three epics with the right stats, and went and did sanctums.

did like 4 months on cof, cant compare

wont even talk about exalts or stash issue

[nimble crater]

I assume you are not talking to me are you? Because I said that I don't care about them being balanced

[storm nest]

I do, it's the best ssf experience by far, but some issues need to be adressed

Specially some key ones that are being said since week 1

[nimble crater]

Your anecdotes aren't really convincing me that those are issues that need to be addressed. Beyond runes of havoc that might already help. Comparison is the thief of joy.

[steady kayak]

Havoc and Redemption runes are massive for getting T7s of the things you want

[storm nest]

Hmm what? Lmao

[storm nest]

Still doesn't solve stash issue

[nimble crater]

My comment was in reference to you bringing up comparisons to MG, when MG is kinda irrelevant for my appreciation of CoF.

[chrome prism]

I think fundamentally, if you want to be come super powerful fast, and feel like every session is incrementally making you stronger because you’re closer to affording your next gear upgrade. Then MG.

If you get satisfaction out of dropping your own gear, and don’t want to care about what the market is doing or what the meta build is then CoF.

I play CoF because it extends the enjoyment I get out of the game and you get enough upgrades to progress steadily for quite some time. It’s most definitely not optimal for gearing out your build as fast as possible, and can really suck if you need one specific unique to get your build rolling.

But it’s based AF to play IMO

[chrome cove]

considering how rare havoc is, and there is no prophecy for it, and it's RNG whether that havoc gives you what you want

as someone with very bad luck in games or anything gambling related, it doesn't feel like the saviour of CoF lol

unlike creation for which you can get prophecies to obtain, what'll most likely happens is take hours to drop one or two, just to fail the 25%

[nimble crater]

You realize that it is pretty much impossible that you actually have "very bad luck" in video games. A person doesn't have a supernatural aura that influences their RNG in life. It just means that you are a negative person who is more likely to recognize the negative outliers than the positive ones.

[potent ferry]

To be fair, most people are like this, and it doesn't make them a 'negative' person. It's part of the inherent risk aversion of humanity.

[potent ferry]

Do we know how rare Runes of Havoc are?

[lost sedge]

Extremely rare according to LEtools, intepret that how you will.

[potent ferry]

Is that similar to Rune of Ascendance?

[lost sedge]

Yeah

[chrome cove]

i would put it on the lengthy and slow nature of CoF, it legit took weeks to get a good unique with a good slam, and months to even get my build starting - even by farming favor at the highest corruption i could manage. over the whole cycle i never got the +4 skill i needed, period (with daily gameplay)

[chrome cove]

no way it's not as rare as a rune of creation/RoA considering what it can do, tbh

[potent ferry]

Okay, so it sounds like if you want Runes of Havoc, you will prioritize those rewards.

[chrome cove]

before i reached high CoF rank and started doing prophecies for runes of creation, i got one singular rune during the whole grind

[opaque prairie]

I got 5 before t9 of CoF, maybe its not that rare? or am I lucky

[chrome cove]

and now we know that havoc has no prophecies, if that's the case i truly hope it's not that rare because by itself, havoc is a gamble of 25%

there's a chance the T2 skill you want to become T7 just remains T2

[chrome cove]

lucky... i was forced to slam good purple items to get my power spikes before it just refused to drop for me

i couldn't afford to just wait out my progression and keep looking for the damn rune

[opaque prairie]

what use it has for crafting in CoF?

double 1h weapons or rings?

[chrome cove]

just allows you to slam a good item twice, which is better than slamming once ya know

although, with the guaranteed slam mechanic now, it'll matter more for LP2+

[opaque prairie]

or you mean slam on top of unique?

[chrome cove]

yes

[opaque prairie]

yeah that makes sense

[storm nest]

Exactly lol

everything is flowers until you can't get the
build enable unique for your build because
of pure rng issue, and on trade it costs
literally 0 gold, because people list
common uniques just to spend favor

[sly birch]

if it's a common unique i'd be surprised if u can't get it

esp if ur properly target farming it

the uniques you'd have a hard time finding are the ones that tend be a lot more expensive on MGl, especially if it's for a popular build

I did MG when the static orb mage was meta, and everyone wanted a wrongwarp wand, it was almost always sold out on MG, and when it wasn't it was incredibly expensive

tbh, i'm going COF cuz last 2 seasons I went MG but ended up using 90% gear I found anyway because of not having enough money to keep up with the inflation of the economy. Like I could maybe buy an upgrade for boots or a nice idol here and there, but actual big upgrades for my build were easier to get myself than they were to farm gold for

[storm nest]

Last season when they introduced it, I did one character of both. I had t7 stats on my legendaries before I got to 200 corruption on the mg guy. The cof was running around in flat uniques till waaaay later. Like I just bought 3 2lp versions of the weapon, three epics with the right stats, and went and did sanctums.

inflation was moo point imo, was MG and playing during both gold expoits

while everything was higher on price i was selling shit on higher price too

so potato potatoes

[sly birch]

it sound like you just got luckier with slams

[storm nest]

must be really lucky guy on both cycles

[sly birch]

plus the issue of t7 in slams isn't really as bad next season

[storm nest]

wont play cof till they tackle the stash issue tbf

unless you only run 2-3 builds per cycle so u fine

[sly birch]

i only run 1 per cycle tbh

push it as far as I can

or until i get bored

it also is a wildly different expierence

MG that is

depending on the popularity of your build

buying 3 2lp weapons on a popular build would near bankrupt you

[storm nest]

so gg

[sly birch]

unless you did ample gold farming beforehand

[storm nest]

if u only play 1 build per cycle you dont have a stash issue

so w/e

[sly birch]

i mean if stash issue is the only thing keeping u back from cof that's valid, and sucks, but is what it is

[storm nest]

fine tune and easy to power up too

mg is just easier and prophecies are ass