⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[sage hearth]

which is still strong, haste too good

[finite charm]

Opulent catalysts are better

[sage hearth]

Nah, it is good

[finite charm]

dragon eye is second best

[sage hearth]

For my build I want the haste

[finite charm]

and crystal skulls 3rd best

[sage hearth]

Either need cuckoo or slam my snowdrifts with haste and move speed

[finite charm]

at least for my warlock build

[sage hearth]

Hard to drop my offhand for a cuckoo

Cos like, I have absolutely BiS for the build

[finite charm]

I don't yet

lol

was trying to get better DPS with the ladle but obviously that didn't work out

[sage hearth]

You playing Necro stack?

[finite charm]

No

i'm playing a torment warlock with autobombing build

it's something that a few people are crafting up

we all have slightly different approaches

it's not a meta build but it can push up to 2k corruption with BiS

prob more

ghost flame gives you a ton of ward and near invincibility

so you use that instead of veil

[sage hearth]

Don't know, I'm playing RM frostbite

[finite charm]

😄

[native isle]

I'm still farming for gear to switch to LL detonating arrow

[dreamy beacon]

But but Endurance Detonating arrow more fun T_T

[cursive scarab]

Same boat. I'm doing a hybrid build right now.
Main issue I have is Soul Gamblers Fallacy. Not sure what the "Drop" rate on that one is, but it's the biggest hurdle so far

[finite charm]

I thought you could get that one in the story line

Yeah, le tools says:

Can't have Legendary Potential
Reward from quest: Artem's Offer

Oh, soul gamblers fallacy. Nvm

[dreamy beacon]

To get that you need to buy it from the Soul Gambler himself it is a small chance from what I understand

@cursive scarab

[cursive scarab]

Yes, I know how. That's why I put "Drop" rate in parenthesis

I've done a bunch of runs and haven't come up with one yet, so I was curious what the rate is to get it

Thank you though @dreamy beacon

[dreamy beacon]

oh oki I just cant read inbetween the lines sorry xD.

[cursive scarab]

No worries, it's hard to translate tone to text, it came off more hostile than I intended

[celest swift]

sad that dungeons don't give favor

[finite charm]

Doesn't all exp translate to favor?

[celest swift]

maybe i just get so little in dungeons i don't notice it

[finite charm]

Yeah, relative to high corruption dungeons will not give as much but it should definitely give you favor

[livid spruce]

Dungeons aren't really a big thing for xp, though iirc they did actually buff like all the xp the mobs in them give in 1.0

[cursive scarab]

In general I don't like farming Dungeons as they are right now. I'm looking forward to some changes on that front

[heady spear]

been having a love hate relationship w this game now I just farm monos do 1 boss fight and if I don’t get the drop I’m looking for I call it a day

[celest swift]

is there a spreadsheet on the value of different prophecies?
I have one prophecy 12 unique rings for 6000 and it's not rare (500 per ring)
another is 28 unique rings for 17000 (607 per ring)

[small meadow]

Yeah look up frozensentinel on google.

[celest swift]

I'm curious if someone has done a test to see how many rerolls it typically takes to get another prophecy for unique rings

[small meadow]

He created a spreadsheet with the values.

[tame basin]

anyone else get the feeling like u get to about 80% on ur build and the COF gains just fall off a cliff?

[native isle]

it's not just about favor per ring

it's about rings per time spent

I'd rather spend 607 per ring to get 28 at once than 500 per ring to get only 12 at once, given the same amount of time to do both

if you get lucky you can get the highest number of rings for a single boss kill, or 3 diamond matrons (which is stupid easy if you run through the upper palace area)

[white narwhal]

It depend on what you call 80%, after level 10rank you finish your build in few days with 1/2 lp everywhere, maybe some 3lp too

[celest swift]

yeah this one is 14 rings for 3 boss kills (2 uses)

or 6 ring for 5 seige golums (2 uses)

[native isle]

3 bosses is really easy

many bosses have multiple stages, and each stage counts as a boss

[tame basin]

thats 80% lol

[native isle]

exiled mages count as bosses as well

[celest swift]

oh i thought boss was only the end of the mono

[white narwhal]

1/2 LP is 100%

[native isle]

any boss

[celest swift]

like 800-900 stabililty

[native isle]

Majasa counts as two bosses

[celest swift]

wow

[native isle]

once you get to her, you can nuke her, back out of the room (the way you came in), and walk right back into a boss fight

[celest swift]

oh dang and that one has 0 conditions

[native isle]

yup

[tame basin]

average build is missing 10+ affixes with 1-2 lps vs 3-4 that MG is just buying off the marketplace

[white narwhal]

OK but we are CoF, 3lp.everywhere is kinda impossible.
Things like prismatic gaze with 2lp is sooooo rare.
Only 3lp i have are the Mad ladle and the catalyst, 2lp boots and rest 1lp

[tame basin]

that exactly my point tho

[white narwhal]

Only RMT guys on MG can afford 3lp everywhere, you can virtually buy 10x lp3 and can't slam good affix

[dreamy beacon]

How are you guys not getting 3lps xD

if someone checked my bay I have a bit 3lp metas

[native isle]

how are you getting so many LP3s?

[dreamy beacon]

Farming I guess.

I am count the useful 3lps

so gimmie sec

Just in daggers along I have atlaest 10 pairs. of 3lps

[native isle]

jelkhors?

[dreamy beacon]

a Mix

Jelhkors, The Lighting one and acide flask

and i have 3 4lp acid flak

and a 4lp meme chest piece but still 4 lp

getting in game it acutally count this

[white narwhal]

These are common as 3lp, high lv items are waaaay rare

[native isle]

yeah

[dreamy beacon]

Well choose a rare 3lp and I can check if I got it

[native isle]

the lower the level, the easier to get high LP

[dreamy beacon]

i can take screens shoot of my current 3lp/4lp bay tho

once i clean my dump boxes

[white narwhal]

I have 8x 4lp vial of volatile ice

[native isle]

LET says LP4 volatile ice is 0.37% chance

I only have two LP4 items

[white narwhal]

My 4lp:
Vial
Firestarter torch
An early level armor, stop.

Actually i have 999.999 favor but i'm done for this season

[dreamy beacon]

This is just daggers but it was mixed with other stuff that i didnt wanna move.

https://imgur.com/a/D1TwwyU

almost done moving all the other stuff.

[native isle]

what cor you farm at?

[white narwhal]

Everyone 3lp?

[dreamy beacon]

https://imgur.com/a/CHUj2dn

W.E is screen shooted is 3lp

my dagger bay was mixed but I moved all the 3lp to the bottom

[white narwhal]

3lp gaze is absurd bro

[dreamy beacon]

yeah that was luck

[white narwhal]

I spent like 3kk favor on prophecies and no 2lp on it

[dreamy beacon]

I didnt spend favor on much

besides mainly daggers. and Rings. and swords

everything else was just drop for drop

i have a few 3lp stuff for Lightless but most people have that

[native isle]

you're either incredibly lucky, or something is 💩y

[white narwhal]

I dont go for red ring, too much rng, i'm happy at 1k corruption, nice goal

[dreamy beacon]

yeah I am around 1k corruption

Its Part luck and Mix farming TBH

Usually when i farm i just target like 3 things

and hope for the best.

[native isle]

my farming rogue is approaching 600 corruption and the survivability is starting to be tested

[dreamy beacon]

Detonating arrow?

[native isle]

yeah

currently in the life build looking to switch to ward build

[dreamy beacon]

I am on Life steal doing 1k corruption

you should be able to push just as well on Life steal

[white narwhal]

Yea, after 600 with RM you need to perma attack to gain ward or is oneshot

[dreamy beacon]

technically better

[native isle]

so I should stick with the life build?

[dreamy beacon]

Both are fine if you are one. you can stick with it.

Lemme link my profile and its what I am doing 1k on.

[native isle]

I thought the ward build was more tanky

[dreamy beacon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Mialaz/character/Naplaz

Both are tanky.

and both can have high Dps now. I just feel that Life is also more nerf proof once they nerf warding.

until they nerf marksman as a class

I am waiting for decent affixes for my Helm and Boots.

so i can roll for those.

[white narwhal]

Will you go cof next cycle?

[dreamy beacon]

I am doing both.

since it is optimal to do both.

mainly for progression sake.

so future cycles i dont have to think about leveling another faction

until they add another faction.

I alos been wanting to change my belt on my marks man for Jungle Belt so I can just spam mana potions.

I got one 2 lp belt but I wanna save it for my necro so just need to RNG the other.

[native isle]

how many hours a day do you play?

[dreamy beacon]

Weekends are my peak.

but on week days probably only 4/5 and its on and off since I watch alot of videos on the side.

Weekends depends if I am raiding on other games.

or not playing dragons dogma

[finite charm]

My experience so far: Mad Alchemist Ladle drop rate: 3.8%

out of 1k mages

I'd say the LP rates on LE tools seem accurate

[dreamy beacon]

Mad Alchem i have not found a single 3lp

[finite charm]

Found 2, bricked both....

[dreamy beacon]

Ouch

[finite charm]

3x T5 affixes on both..same exact rolls too

cause i used a rune of creation

[native isle]

I'm pretty sure Dammitt gets the values straight from the game files

[finite charm]

missed the T7 both times

[dreamy beacon]

that is tragic

[finite charm]

i'm not happy about it.

haven't been for a week

[dreamy beacon]

Kinda greatful i dont play Laddle builds

once i found how rare it was

[finite charm]

Yeah

a 3.8% drop rate is pretty crappy

on top of that, for LP3 it's 1% roll rate from that 3.8%

[dreamy beacon]

yeah are you doing the cheese method to farm the mages?

[finite charm]

Yeah

Btw

at higher corruptions

the rates drop

[dreamy beacon]

yikes that is torture

oh like drop rate drops?

[finite charm]

yeah

you get more pheromages and cuckoos

but barely any ladles

[dreamy beacon]

So i assume 500 ish corruption is peak?

[finite charm]

I'd say 400

[dreamy beacon]

ummmm good to know if I ever wanted to farm laddle

[finite charm]

500 is where i noticed the drop

[dreamy beacon]

which I probably wont.

[finite charm]

i mean, you'll still see them at 500 or above

[native isle]

I've been throwing away LP1 ladles

[finite charm]

but way more rare

[celest swift]

i've gotten so many ladels, i think it just doesn't drop if you need it

tons of lp2 and even an lp3 at 100c

[dreamy beacon]

i think he means 3lp laddles

[finite charm]

I mean, out of 1000+ mages, i have 38 ladles

[dreamy beacon]

I didnt count my laddles

[native isle]

seems like every 3rd mage drops a ladle for me

[dreamy beacon]

but I think i am close to that.

not counting the ones i left on the floor

[finite charm]

@celest swift my guess is you're not playing at higher corruptions

?

LP3 at 100c 😒

lol insane

the drop rates def seem crazy with mages

[dreamy beacon]

Look I just want Lp4 Red Ring oki

😛

[finite charm]

lol

i got an LP1 ring

prob one of the rarer items i've gotten so far

[dreamy beacon]

I havent been farming rings in ages.

[finite charm]

i wasn't farming it

crazy enough

[dreamy beacon]

oh lel that is even crazier

[finite charm]

i got it from a loot chest at 2k corruption

[dreamy beacon]

cuz base drops are ass.

Soul Gambler stuff can be sold to players yah?

[finite charm]

Yeah

[dreamy beacon]

i notice it doesnt have can not trade tag was thinking to see how viable it was to sell that stuff for gold.

If I get good T6.T7 stuff

[celest swift]

yeah i'm like 170c now, but i was 100c for longest time and 2 lp ladels dropped quite often, i got one 3 lp the whole time

[finite charm]

https://imgur.com/cG63yi5

lol, maybe i should make a marksman

[small meadow]

I got 2 lp3 ladles

Both bricked....

[finite charm]

Yeah, they really need to allow us to reset LP

[dreamy beacon]

as long you got lp2 daggers

Marksman is basically ready

[finite charm]

if they really are adding a dungeon to do that, they need to get on that asap

[finite charm]

Yeah

[dreamy beacon]

Then marksman is ready. the rest of the gear is easy enough to farm.

[finite charm]

Prob already have it

😂

[dreamy beacon]

CoF life xD

[finite charm]

turns out I have a lot of BiS gear for almost all of the meta builds except the one i'm trying to make

hahahaha

[dreamy beacon]

Oh i know that feeling xD

https://imgur.com/a/FrIuBE4 current dump box till i feel like re organizing the Lps.

[smoky wigeon]

After scraping through lastepochtools ladder top 1k players, I got a nice sample size, and we at least have some nice numbers now to the distribution of factions

Merchant's Guild: 653
Circle of Fortune: 336
Sum: 989`

Merchant's Guild: 66,03%
Circle of Fortune: 33,97%
Sum: 100%`

[finite charm]

I have 86 tabs like that

maybe 70% are organized

[finite charm]

Distribution of factions in the top 1k players

EHG says that the distribution of players is roughly 50/50

[dreamy beacon]

yeah but most of the 1% players I think are on MG

[finite charm]

but it makes sense that most players at the top are MG

because it's easier to gear up

[dreamy beacon]

Yeah. early on was easy to be MG

now not so much.

[finite charm]

doing SSF and making a top build is very challenging

[smoky wigeon]

well roughly, they say. 66% to 33% is a huge difference though, and ye I know it's top 1k, but it won't really change a whole lot

[finite charm]

I think it does though..

like i said, MG is easier to gear up

[smoky wigeon]

I could take a bigger sample size but 1k is pretty huge already

[finite charm]

i don't think you understand what i'm saying

the pool you're picking from will always skew to MG

[smoky wigeon]

ye because it is arena, and nobody in cof wants to do arena, but it's the only data anyone can really work with

[finite charm]

not only that... but because in order to do that, you need BiS gear

[dreamy beacon]

yeah

[smoky wigeon]

its maybe easier to gear too, but not atm

[finite charm]

and it's easier to get BiS gear

in MG.

always has been

always will be

[smoky wigeon]

i wonder if people who play mg focus on less chars than people in cof, while looking through that data set it kinda seemed that way

[finite charm]

IMO, it's the opposite

unless you grind a LOT in CoF

you can try out many builds for cheap in MG

much easier from my understanding

since you don't need LP to try out what the build is gonna look like

[smoky wigeon]

tbf most people play cof on an alt to like 80 and switch to a different one, they don't really want to grind

[finite charm]

Yeah

i thought about switching many times but

[smoky wigeon]

the question is do they have more alts than mg guys

[finite charm]

MG seems kinda boring to me

So, i was leveling up one of my timelines

it was at like 290 corruption when i fought the shade

new corruption was gonna be about 390 or so?

anyways, omnis drops at shade

but that's the first omnis i've seen below 1k corruption...and it happened in one of my lowest corruption timelines 😂

wasn't even a far node

rng man...

[smoky wigeon]

well lucky you 😂

[dreamy beacon]

i have gottena few omnis but no lp omnis

sadly

[finite charm]

Hardly. The only other omnis's i've had drop were way above 1k corruption

[smoky wigeon]

i think i take later on a new sample for the bottom 1k (20k-19k) placed players on the ladder, I wonder if it is skewed towards cof

[dreamy beacon]

I wonder who are the top CoF players that would be nice to see what they have.

[finite charm]

Funny enough, I know a few people here that are doing 2k-3k corruption

but I think that they don't really advertise it much

and some have kind of custom brews

[dreamy beacon]

yeah I was thinking pushing beyond my limit

once i upgrade.

[smoky wigeon]

I'd love to see a cof player that only plays off-meta builds like me, fk them meta build grinders 😂

[celest swift]

sadness, the bone piles that spawn skeletons don''t give exp when you kill the skeletons

[dreamy beacon]

Problem is Off meta builds that do well

will become meta

meta will always exist because it works

[finite charm]

^

[dreamy beacon]

kinda an oximoron to think a off meta build will do well.

Just how things work

only way off meta builds stay off meta is if that person who is off meta and doing well doesnt share their build

but then no one can know of their glory

tha wont happen

[finite charm]

I noticed that when you're also brewing your own builds

those people will share theirs with you too

but yeah, they don't post them for glory

like i'm running my own brew -- stealing some meta ideas

and another guy I know is running a similar build but at much higher corruption than me

we both have very similar skill trees, but different approaches to equipment

one thing to note, some builds are only enabled through luck

e.g. getting really rare drops with high LP and then lucky again through slamming the right affixes

without that, it's impossible to achieve what they're doing

[dreamy beacon]

Yeah Luck is a huge part of it.

[rigid cypress]

does fulfilled 0/3 mean you get the reward 3 times or just have to complete the requirement 3 times?

[finite charm]

you get the reward 3 times

[rigid cypress]

thats kinda annoying lol

combined rhyme with wealth and now i have to clear a prophecy 6 times\

[finite charm]

Quite the opposite

that is in fact how you target farm things...

[rigid cypress]

yes overall its good its just annoying right now

[finite charm]

I mean, you can abandon the prophecy if you want

[rigid cypress]

yeah. ill hold off on doing it

ill just have to be more picky in the future

[finite charm]

I mean there's an "X" when you're looking at your prophecies and hover over them

if you click that, it goes away

but you don't get a refund on favor

[rigid cypress]

ty

my testing seems to show leanse of battle, wealth, and rhyme seem to be the best combo

[finite charm]

There's another gold bug.... :S

[dreamy beacon]

whhhhhat

another one .

MG is gonna go on fire in a few days again is what i am hearing

[finite charm]

It's not like a dupe

i'm reporting it in game now

it can still be abused though

After you do certain things, if you start selling items to the vendor, you get like 3k per item

it doesn't seem intentional since the gold the item is supposed to sell for doesn't say it's that much

[dreamy beacon]

huh RiP

[finite charm]

This one though, I feel can only be abused by people with CoF alts

due to the nature of the bug

<@&1161418687471956101> I've reported a bug in-game regarding some issues with gold, but, maybe it's worth mentioning directly to the devs to prevent issues from showing up if someone else finds it -- what's the best way of doing that? (I'm not in the forums)

[celest swift]

yes!! just got my 1st red ring

sadly i'm still 1M away from rank 10

[dreamy beacon]

AWWW that is tragic

[celest swift]

2 lp is pretty good on a red ring right

[solid seal]

make sure you restart your game to ensure its an actual dupe and not a visual bug.

[celest swift]

i'm jk on the 2 lp btw

[dreamy beacon]

CAP

I was gonna say

[native isle]

if you're in the USA, and you haven't bought a powerball ticket, now is the time to buy at least one

[celest swift]

haha yeah

.... I have one...just in case...

[native isle]

I only buy some when the powerball jackpot goes over 800m

[celest swift]

same, if it's not at like 1b i don't get them

[native isle]

that's when the math of jackpot/players works out to about the cost of a ticket

[celest swift]

part of me is convinced no one actually wins

[native isle]

oh people win

people have to win, else nobody would play

[celest swift]

now i have to find out how to get my stats to 180 lol

[native isle]

that's what the mountain gear is for

lightless arbor boss drops a helm, chest, and boots that all give all attributes

and if you're going to run one red ring, you might as well run two

[celest swift]

yeah i just have to get the second to drop

[finite charm]

It's not a dupe.

And yes, it stays.

It's not client side issue or sync issue either

It's a legit bug

Or at least, it seems to me it is. Since this behavior isn't advertised anywhere

And I only saw it after the last patch went out

Today I duplicated the bug and confirmed it so it's def there

Nothing on Google about it either so I don't think it's known

It's not as game breaking as previous bugs though

[native isle]

I wouldn't mind selling things for 3k each

that'd fund my vault habit

[celest swift]

I wish I could remove the dodge conversion from the boots of the mountain

[native isle]

hold on, seeing if I'm a new millionaire

[finite charm]

From what I noticed, 3k is at the low end. I think it stacks and you end up selling items for 10k a pop...

Maybe this is worse than I thought

People are definitely going to hit this bug during normal game behavior

[native isle]

strange that nobody has reported it, then

[finite charm]

Maybe because it makes you a crap ton of gold and no one wants to lose it.

Crap ton is relative though, it's no where near as bad as the memory one.

How can I use mod mail here?

Msg says failed to send

[native isle]

it's also the weekend

you may just have to wait until Monday

[finite charm]

Well, luckily I'm not MG

So extra gold doesn't impact me really

[native isle]

powerball is sure taking its sweet time updating their site

[naive void]

ugh I hate that now that I'm rank 10 I see those stupid 1lp prophecies so often now

[finite charm]

@celest swift you got a red ring at 100c???

Did you bribe RNG?

[deep field]

Wrong ghost 👻

[native isle]

womp womp

they're delaying the powerball draw

[celest swift]

haha yeah, its was a prophecy for 14 unique rings, killed majasa (thanks @native isle )

[native isle]

np

[finite charm]

Lmao, luckiest dude I know.

Getting 3LP ladles and rings at sub 200c

Right on man.

[native isle]

just got an LP2 mountain helm

[celest swift]

note to self: Soul Bomb: radius is larger than the animation

[native isle]

<@&1161418687471956101> spam

[celest swift]

umm okay

you guys ever accept a prophecy and the next screen is blank?

wow, it reset the telescope and didn't give me the prophecy

[dreamy beacon]

Bugged

It happens rare but happens.

[finite charm]

Mods are asleep.

[potent current]

Whats better for blessing , frailty on hit, or armor

[finite charm]

Armor

[viral ravine]

Yes, happened a few times to me now

[potent solstice]

I gotta say I am disappointed with cof. Like 150 hrs into my main and half lp2 gear half lp1 and struggling hard to get lp2. If I had gone market would be all lp2 by now, but if I switch can't use any of the gear worked so hard to get. I get why it can't be traded, but can't even be used? Dozens of stash tabs of 80% non useable gear. Why? This alone makes me want to go back to d4.

[livid spruce]

If all you care about is perfect gear, MG is what you want. Having all 0 LP gear and exalts is already more than enough to beat the game, so past that is all unneeded.

[thorny pine]

dude above complaining about the choice he made, and continued to make 150 hours in. lol no accountability

[hallow plume]

people don't understand that not all lp is equal it's like complaining about not having a lp2 red ring but the rest of your gear is lp 2 and lp3

[thorny pine]

xD pretty much. some ppl just gotta complain about their choices but blame the game design

[hallow plume]

it's not even their choices they just don't understand the difference in what causes certain lp2 items to be common and why some lp2 items are giga rare

like him for example he didn't actually mention which of his items were still lp 1

[potent solstice]

I really should understand by now, posting frustration with an aspect of a game is just gonna get you flamed.

[hallow plume]

well which item are you frustrated about

[potent solstice]

I missed that switching bricked your gear. And I personally find that bad design.

[thorny pine]

ah fair enough. i def havent put enough time in to understand end game yet fully

[hallow plume]

it's 2 prevent people having to be rank 10 with both and having to play both

because you're not supposed to play both for a sinlge character

that's a design intent to have a character only interact with one

else you would have to constantly swap back and forth

also any naturally found gear can be used with both

only the procs from cof are tagged

and only bought gear from mg is tagged

so naturally found gear is usable by mg

your mad you cant use gear found via the benefit of cof as mg

[potent solstice]

Ok thanks. Yeah I guess I didn't realize how much of the gear I have obtained was from cof benefit.

[hallow plume]

cof is giga powerful

you drop a ton more loot than you would as mg

[thorny pine]

yeah thats why i use it

[hallow plume]

what item is 1lp that frustrates you?

i bet i can solve that frustration for you as well

[potent solstice]

Yeah but nearly everything I find is lp1. I mean I have found like 2 dozen jelkhors and only 1 lp2.

Mg you can easy buy lp2. I don't even care about lp3. Just so hard to slam the right affix on lp1.

[hallow plume]

lp2 jelk should roughly be 1/5 assume you have the double lp perk

it's a baseline 10% double that to 20% with the perk that's just bad rng

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/search?query=jelk&in_description=1&exact_match=0 if you are curious about items and lp odds

[potent solstice]

Not sure what double lp perk is, you get that at a rank? Am at rank9.

[hallow plume]

it's a good resource to use

yeah you have the perk then

[potent solstice]

Guess just been unlucky.

[hallow plume]

that's just really bad luck if you have gotten 24 and only seen 1 lp

you should have seen like 4-5

but basically the better the base item the rarer lp is

like i'm clearing 3k corr and still only have a 1lp twisted

but a 2lp twisted is .65%

mg is better for more mid level gear in terms of lp but for the gg stuff it will cost you an arm and a leg

and missing a a slam will feel awful

pros and cons to both i'de prob a have a 2lp twisted as mg but i would never have been able to attempt as many red ring slams as i have as mg

[potent solstice]

Yeah I am happy with mid level gear, guess I just need to keep working to get some decent lp2 stuff. Keep trying to get ms on all my 1lp last steps and never get lucky, similar story for like half my gear.

[hallow plume]

hopefully that does help clear up some of the misunderstands/frustrations about cof

i wouldn't stress the dagger 2 much it will drop

[potent solstice]

It does, thank you.

[hallow plume]

it's a fairly common 2 lp item

what do you use favor on?

do you use itt on exalts or uniques?

a lot of people use favor incorrectly as cof as well which i think can cause people to be frustrated by it

[potent solstice]

Uniques usually unless a good exalt pops up. I use the 80 and 90 cost lens and less chance on dungeons.

I seem to get plenty of exalt drops in general.

[hallow plume]

i would strictly do uniques and rares

rares are more value than the exalt ones

the exception to that is belts i do take exalted belts

but at rank 8 the math on rares converting to exalts is better than the flat exalts

[potent solstice]

Ah gotcha. Didn't know that about rares. Thanks for all the advice.

[hallow plume]

ye that should save you a solid chunk

just splash the rares in as you see them i wouldn't hunt let favor solve the uniques

and you will drop bases to slam

and once you hit rank 10

it gets really good

because everything from prohocies duplicates so every time you hit one you get 2 it's really insane

what corr are you farming on?

because the other thing that scales cof is corr because higher cor is more favor which just fuels everything

[potent solstice]

Yeah rank10 looks amazing. Will keep grinding to get it

Most of my monos are 250ish corr is all.

What should I target?

[hallow plume]

depends on the build

[potent solstice]

Lightning trap/da

Run blast rain on an alt

[hallow plume]

i'm not 2 familiar but i think the jelk builds are all fairly strong

so i assume they will be able to do 500-600

which i think would put you at like 70k favor an hour

[potent solstice]

250 seems pretty easy, I maybe die 1 in 20 but that is usuallly not paying attention, so I will try to push closer to 500

Wow yeah I don't get near that much favor, maybe 20k

[hallow plume]

yeah like once you get setup favor gains go crazy

and that fuels everything

[edgy glade]

do the multiple exalted affixes chance go up when increasing corruption?

[hallow plume]

i believe so since that would fall within rarity, not 100% sure though

just sheer volume of loot would go up so by that metric you would get more multi exalts

[livid spruce]

Yeah, only because you find more exalted items

[worthy lily]

how do I complete the void horror prophecies? they only spawn near beacons and they never count when they do

got 3 of them lined up 😦

[smoky wigeon]

anyone tried to create a double experimental item?
like, seal for example t5 experimental affix and after that use a glyph of insight on a prefix you slam on afterwards?

[dreamy beacon]

@worthy lily You need to do monos that have Void horrors. the becaons never count for any proffs

Any Void Theme mono should have a few of them

[livid spruce]

You can't

[reef kelp]

a

[celest swift]

Do blacksun timeline. Lots of void horrors in those nodes. Also I think one of the three enemies in before rayhe’s room count as a void horror for the prophecy.

[celest swift]

Pretty sure you can’t. I think the scroll says it has to be a non-experimental item.

[shut willow]

Can you get Rune of Creation from prophecies?

[tame basin]

yup

i saw this video of a guy farming 400k favor an hour by jjust getting into the highest corruption he could farm quickly

and then a certain map thats got all crabs on it

he just clears the map and tps out before he finishes it

and just keeps resetting

[shut willow]

Ty sir!

[celest swift]

Didn’t know you can do this if you get a good map.

[dreamy beacon]

https://imgur.com/a/P6yRgFG

who can use this i forget

[native isle]

this isn't true. giant scorpions spawned from beacons/gates do count

so either the void horrors not counting is a bug (them being a separate enemy type is the bug) or everything else counting is the bug

[dreamy beacon]

My only exp is that Voids dont like counting from beacons.

but anything from the Gates. work

I havent had issues with Mobs From gates.

And beacon only spawn the void things.

[native isle]

right, because the void horrors spawned from beacons/gates are actually a different enemy object

[livid spruce]

Beacon enemies aren't real, gate enemies are

[native isle]

you're sure that's the distinction?

[livid spruce]

Pretty sure they don't give xp, which makes them just not count for a lot of things. Being differently named ofc makes them not count for the proph

[native isle]

the enemies from gates don't give XP either, I thought

just like the enemies in arenas

[livid spruce]

Gate and arena enemies give xp

[native isle]

woo! finally got an LP1 core of the mountain

time to brick it

[livid spruce]

It's reduced in arena, not sure about gates

If killing it can pop WW, it gives xp

[tame basin]

i dont get favor from gat eenemies

gate*

or beacon enemies

[native isle]

"pop WW"?

[livid spruce]

Add/upgrade weaver's will

[native isle]

I don't think WW is based on XP gain

but chance to upgrade per kill

[jolly trail]

600 tops out the increased lp rate on bosses. people believe drop rates for everything tops out around that as well. favor scales correctly. at 2k you can get 200k favor per hour

[jolly trail]

thats pretty wild what was the cor at?

[tame basin]

1.6k i believe

but it was the open water crab map

he was just spammin it, killing everything not completed obj

and just reseting

[jolly trail]

dam i need to do that. i can do that cor on my marks but im not even close to pushing my cor there. only like 875 atm

we'll see what they do in the weekly patch coming up

[tame basin]

im at 1.2k and cant egt anywhere near it, plus when ur just spammin echos 90% of them are not great for mob type and denisity

[jolly trail]

i get around 75k at 850 just finishing them quickly

[tame basin]

ya im around 100k ish

i think

[jolly trail]

for marks i dont need any timeline boss loot so i could do that strat

just gonna wait for next season unless they change something. getting 30 cor in 45m sucks

[tame basin]

u think theyll change that?

all ive seen is pinnacle bosses

[jolly trail]

they should change it. it's obvious they didn't consider people getting over 1k

it would be an easy qol change now. if they plan on nerfing everything down below 1k it's going to take them ages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRa0sE1MF6U&t=818s

i followed them early and they just quit at 3k because it's such a chore even though their setup could have gone much further. he says he thinks 10k would work

arena is the same way. people can go way higher they just dont

something like every 250 in arena makes you start there would be interesting

[native isle]

what really doesn't make sense to me is that enemies in echos don't seem to drop nearly the same amount of loot that enemies in dungeons do

[jolly trail]

yeah i think they confirmed drop rates aren't scaling

[native isle]

I can run Soulfire Bastion and see multiple uniques per area than I do a single echo that's 300% rarity higher

it's really stupid

[jolly trail]

some people just want to see how high cor they can get

[native isle]

I don't care about that

I want my time respected

[jolly trail]

that's what my point is. if they made cor pushing better you could actually test your builds to their limits

people could play full time all season and probably still be pushing

[tame basin]

this pre ward nerf tho

[jolly trail]

there would be more incentive to play coop as well since it's so much better

[tame basin]

i doubt he can do 3k now

[jolly trail]

they get ward from the sent

i dont think sent was nerfed

there's two sent with 1400 healing spamming hh

[tame basin]

i mean hes hitting 60k ward thats still possible?

[jolly trail]

i think 1 sent can do over 100k

i think they quit playing so probably not going to see it

but the int stacking runemaster has a lot of ward retention and flame ward has the LL affix

[native isle]

also, I really want items that I have my filter specifically show/recolor to show up on the minimap

[jolly trail]

that lets him only stack dmg pretty much

[native isle]

I really don't listen to the game, as there isn't anything in the way of important audio cues critical to gameplay going on

[jolly trail]

yeah as marks who knows how much stuff dies behind me

[native isle]

everything dies behind me

that's how the build plays

[jolly trail]

69% dodge chance on the runemaster is pretty crazy

[jolly trail]

ward can't display over 100k either. so u often see low numbers but it's really 100k +

[tame basin]

ya his runemaster build is insane, the red rings op on them

[jolly trail]

yeah and the sents are block capped upclose

with red rings

[tame basin]

3lp jungle belt, these guys are insanely rich lmao

[jolly trail]

a few other DR things they are very hard to kill. i think they said pretty much only dot kill them

people trying to push to #1 are going to have the best gear possible

void knight also can perma stun anything in melee range

i have a poorly geared vk support and i can probably surive in 2k

[white narwhal]

Cya next season guys, after 380h i'm burned out, dunno if i will be cof again, cheers ❤️

[native isle]

aaaand the mountain chest is bricked, thanks eternity cache

[livid spruce]

It's based on kills that grant xp

[native isle]

how do you know?

[livid spruce]

Devs told us

[native isle]

source?

[livid spruce]

So the amount of xp doesn't matter, just has to grant some

[tame basin]

^this tracking its a 15% chance on xp gain with a cd

[finite charm]

I thought the max was like 65k, then it the numbers start over but it's still above 65k

[dreamy beacon]

I bricked 10 exaulted t7 200+ lighting damaged daggers

xD

FML

atleast my T7 Crit strike worked.

[scenic juniper]

Someone knows how exactly lvl 6 bonus works?

[livid spruce]

It's in the patch notes, WW was introduced in 0.9.1

[livid spruce]

Doubles the chance for basically all uniques you find to have LP

[solar grotto]

anyone have a Throne of Ambition idol CoF or tradable available been target farming with CoF prophecies but the prophecies are broken and only give 1 unique idol instead of the 2-4 they are supposed to

[livid spruce]

Throne is a boss only drop, you can't get it from prophecies

[solar grotto]

omg thank you

[tidal trellis]

if I have a prophecy for a dungeon at a specific tier will it also work if I do the dungeon on higher tiers?

[solid seal]

Yes. Conditions are considered minimums.

[tidal trellis]

thanks

[celest swift]

oh nice, is wings of argentus rare?

man the minus 20% damage while moving is nice but i don't think i can give up everything else from a chest item for it

my skills don't use cold or fire

[livid spruce]

Yeah, well it's a "rare" boss drop at least which means it's pretty easy to target farm. It's super hard to get LP on though, 4 LP wings is the rarest item in game.

I don't think it's worthwhile for the DR alone

[celest swift]

iss there a way to refresh the vault so i can loot the items

some of the items names are off screen where i cannot see them to click

[smoky wigeon]

I scraped data from the LastEpochTools Arena Ladder

If someone is interested about the distribution of Factions in Arena here it is:

Distribution N
Merchant's Guild: 9676
Circle of Fortune: 9372
Sum: 19048

Distribution %
Merchant's Guild: 51%
Circle of Fortune: 49%
Sum: 100%

If someone wonders why that odd sample number of 19048, I took an actual sample size of 20k (all data on the site),
but some data didn't get scraped so I ended up with around 952 Unknowns, that I just excluded, because they are not of interest.
I also took a little manual sample of these Unknowns and can tell that they are also distributed evenly, so no worries there.

Note:
Distribution of top half of top ranked players in arena, skews towards Merchant's Guild (66% for MG and 33% for COF)
Distribution of bottom half of top ranked players in arena, skews towards Circle of Fortune (66% for COF and 33% for MG)

[rough depot]

I did the boss that drops it yesterday for the first time in my life in Empowered Monolith at 100c and Throne of Ambition dropped 😂

Game rewarded me for farming Abomination without Strand of Souls drop for three times in a row

[jolly spire]

open your filter screen, then close it again

[dawn musk]

Does monolith item rarity affect drops from prophecies?

[tight valley]

off hand catalysts are in east arent they?

[hallow plume]

no

[indigo cloud]

What are some good way to farm gear with cof tag that i can roll with ascendance? Rare prophecy?

[livid spruce]

Yeah, proph rewards are always tagged

[indigo cloud]

Veen trying to find rare helmet echo but thatvseem absurdly rareblol

[livid spruce]

I put the item type I'm looking for on recolor to gray near the bottom of my filter for this, too

[indigo cloud]

Sadly cant filter by faction and i keep dying looking at drops so am tryng a dfferent way

[urban turtle]

Hi there, Modmail experienced a few issues over the last day - can you try message again?

[heady spear]

is there a faster way to push corruption or am i stupid

i be doing so many echos and takes me forever to find the gaze fight

[mighty ravine]

if you push in one direction you will run into the shades very quickly.

[heady spear]

ahhhh

okay makes sense

thanks !

[heady spear]

what is toons

keep seeing people say toons

[jolly spire]

your characters

[smoky wigeon]

hate that word, people should just stay with chars for all, main for your main, and alts for your alts, t#!%s sounds really weird imo, to the point that I won't write it.

[finite charm]

Still says i can't message mod mail

I was really only trying to use it to let the mods know about the gold bug i found, i already reported it in game but, it might be worth explaining it that's why i was trying to do modmail

[urban turtle]

If you don't mind telling me here, can I have your Account name to find that ticket? I can delete the post as soon as I have your name 🙂 You can also reach out to our Support Team

[merry basin]

190h played as CoF here

Farming rare boss's uniques for LPs are very exhausting. Is there already any feedbacks to devs about adding CoF prophecy regarding to boss uniques ?

Rank 6 don't scale fairly imo

[native isle]

nothing CoF boosts applies to boss drops

also an oversight, in my opinion, that CoF drops aren't affected by the rarity% of the area you're in when they drop

[merry basin]

ye I know, I am asking about adding CoF prophecy regarding to boss drops - is there any feature request about it or so?

I would like to +1 or whine to that subject xD

[native isle]

they've definitely been asked, but I have no clue if there's a feature request part of the forum or what

... how old is that account? 🙂

[finite charm]

Lol I did prerelease for a while

But not as old as some of the other peeps around here

[native isle]

like when I told my kids when creating their gmail accounts, "don't pick a name that you're going to regret later"

none of them listened.

[finite charm]

Eh, my Gmail I use my actual name lol

[native isle]

good thing gmail supports aliases

[finite charm]

But for gaming, nah

@urban turtle as mentioned, I reported in game, but I didn't go too deep into explanation in my report.

In any case, let me know if you find it and if it has enough information. Thank you

[potent solstice]

Yeah I am feeling this too trying to get even lp2 boss drops. Then finally get an lp2 and get a horrible slam.

[finite charm]

yeah, they need to really allow to us to reset items... I'm hoping what I heard about them creating a dungeon that allows you to reset LP uniques is true

[white narwhal]

350h 😁
2RM and 1 acolyte running 600+, able to hit 1200+ for sure, still no +4 on FC

[finite charm]

500h so far for me

https://ibb.co/tXJ51qS

Have only hit 2 LP Last steps once...and the slam is crap

😂

[potent solstice]

Ouch. I only have 200h, not a single 2lp last steps, but I did finally slam a t6 movement speed on an lp1. So many bad lp1 slams.

[finite charm]

I probably have like 20 1LP boots

oh, way more than 20 actually

that's not counting the ones I vendored 😂

[potent solstice]

So, after another 300hrs I can expect to get 1 lp2 last steps with a crappy slam. 🤣

[opal trail]

why everytime i try to farm relic all my prophecy drops are the same like 4-5 relic ive been trying to get stormcarve for a week and half, nothing

[urban turtle]

Thank you! Name deleted, apologies it was up so long, I'd clocked off an hour or so before!

[finite charm]

No worries! And thanks!

[livid basin]

The Stormcarver testament only drops from Lagon ( Boss Drop)

[solid seal]

Prophecies use the random drop pool for its rewards. https://www.lastepochtools.com/checklist/uniques/random

[potent solstice]

Haha I have done that, prophecies over and over until someone was like boss drop dumba$$ lol

[dawn musk]

Is there a list of all prophecies in the game?

[solid seal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit#gid=1864557486

[small meadow]

Does spirit of fire mono not show up as COF prophecy?

I have yet to see one for that mono

[acoustic cedar]

Did they just get rid of the broken key altogether? Nobody's asked about it for a month. I guess we went from "he he it's a secret" to "it doesn't do anything and the content isn't there yet" and scrapped it.

[solid seal]

Spirits of Fire is not explicitly used by prophecy conditions. You can still complete "Monolith" and "None" conditions in that zone, assuming the event monster exists there.

[small meadow]

Whats the reason behind opting spirits of fie

[silver axle]

I wonder if the multiple bosses does something weird with prophecies

[livid spruce]

The jewelry one iirc

[livid basin]

The South Facing one

[hollow sparrow]

can circle of fortune be understood as, "pick a prophecy that gives you a quest for what you need, then go do the quest for the reward"?

[finite charm]

Yes. That's pretty much it.

[hollow sparrow]

thanks~

[dawn musk]

fantastic! thank you

[nocturne oar]

does anyone know which monolith bosses besides frost lich require interaction for blessings (that way i can just tp out and re-kill for prophecy instead of re-doing echos)

• ✅ frost lich (blood frost and death)
• ✅ abomination (fall of outcasts)
• ❌ heroet (age of winter)
• ❌ rahyeh (the black sun)
• ❌ lagon (ending the storm)
• ❌ harton's husk (fall of the empire)
• ❌ emperor of corpses (reign of dragons)
• ❌ god hunter argentus (stolen lance)
• ❌ husk of elder gaspar (last ruin)
• ❌Bhuldar, Herkir, and Logi (spirits of fire)

[gaunt sleet]

I believe abomination also has the interaction at end

Fall of the outcast

[nocturne oar]

thanks, i made a list i'll update for future reference in case anyone needs (or i forget 😅 )

damn , we only get 2 😢

lol devs already knew the plan https://i.imgur.com/9xbl0cv.jpeg 😆 .. all the other harder to farm bosses are 0/6 fulfills

oh.. nvm .. i was wrong https://i.imgur.com/5KHbtmz.png .. guess it's just random

[hallow plume]

doing it this way is super inefficent because the oss doesn't drop more loot your just getting completion faster even though your gonna have to refarm favor anyway

so doing it this way is bad

[nocturne oar]

what do u mean the boss doesn't drop more loot? like my prophecies count as the bosses' loot?

[hallow plume]

no like the boss uniques don't drop after the first kill until you complete

they won't drop loot

[nocturne oar]

oh i dont mind, i'm just trying to farm daggers and dont wanna pass up bosses i'm gonna kill anyway

so i farm frost lich for gloves, if i can also reset him a few times during my glove farms for 24 daggers, win

[hallow plume]

not really it's a lose lose because you have to farm favor anyway it's not gated by boss killing

but favor

getting stability is 4-5 monos

do it if you want but it's inefficient

[nocturne oar]

it's inefficient by what, adding an extra 1 minute for a boss kill for prophecy i'm gonna get anyway?

[hallow plume]

i've told you how but if you want to just pretend it's not you do you

spending time killing a mob that doesn't drop loot is inefficient when your not gated by boss kills your gated by favor that's 1 mono you could have done in that time since you're apparently confused.

[nocturne oar]

i kinda get what u mean, but i usually forget i have favor and realize i have like 50-60k then go buy prophecies

[hallow plume]

that literally doesn't matter though

[nocturne oar]

alright, i'll just do it your way then i just started playing so i'm probably missing something 😅

[hallow plume]

the cof game play loop is converting time to favor and then favor to loot what procs the prophecies will happen naturally as you generate favor

is what i'm saying

by limiting favor gain by spending time killing extra bosses it just creates a time sink that doesn't benefit the loop

as corr goes up you generate more stability per mono

so once you hit the edges on decent corr it's 4-5 monos per boss

so you do the bosses as they come but spend the bulk of your time generating favor so you can keep loading up on prophecies

[nocturne oar]

oh yea i definitely like how much stability i get after 1 boss kill 🤩

that makes alot of sense thanks for explaining

[hallow plume]

np

what you are talking about doing is killing an extra boss when you have a prophecy but your gonna be killing bosses without directly after

if that makes sense

[nocturne oar]

yea , lol my logic was backwards now that u mention it that way

[hallow plume]

what i do is i do an entire shade cycle and reload which will get me 2 bosses a shade then I go get more prophecies

[nocturne oar]

i think thats how i do it, i kill 2 bosses (sometimes 3) , then i kill shade

last mono i did i dunno what i did different but i eneded up starting the mono with like 1k stability and was able to kill boss right off the bat

it was nice getting bonus stability quickly like that

[hallow plume]

yeah

it's a catchup mechanic

you will get bonus stability to quickly catch up to your highest timeline

[nocturne oar]

do you personally just do mono prophecies? like do you skip arena and dungeon ones too?

[hallow plume]

i play a rm so i need boss loot

so i target timelines with the loot i need

if you don't need boss loot it doesn't really matter

[nocturne oar]

oh okay that's what i'm also doing wasn't sure if i was missing out on anything good in arenas (i do dungeons ofc sometimes)

[hallow plume]

i do temporal + dragons

so anything that cant be completed in those i don't bother with them

[nocturne oar]

ah okay, just play naturally then , got it 👍

[hallow plume]

ye

[nocturne oar]

thanks again for the advice

time to splurge on some dagger prophecies and hopefully get one 3lp

[hallow plume]

anytime friend

[rose sinew]

If you have a prophecy to drop unique items, is it possible to get boss-specific drops from it? For example, is it possible to get the Ashes of Mortality ring from a unique ring prophecy? Thanks!

[hallow plume]

nope

[rough depot]

Prophecy drops are different from boss unique drops

You cant get, for example, Strand of Souls from prophecy

Only from the boss, Abomination

[mossy fractal]

CoF is horrible if you want/need boss loot. A massive design flaw. Easily fixed though if they would want to... like change the rubbish 9 rank reward.

[elder bolt]

anyone plays legacy hc ?

[mighty ravine]

Currently no plans to change it which is a big F

[livid spruce]

imo boss loot is pretty easy to get regardless of faction, but if you are trying to do insane/unneeded stuff like get 3-4 LP yeah you'll suffer

[azure token]

when will 5LP be debuted

[near phoenix]

the rank 9 reward is there for when they do the set rework. its not good now, but, potentially really good later

[livid spruce]

Never, probably

[mossy fractal]

If you look at the design boss loot is simply omitted. I account it to a simple overlooked and now they are way to busy to do things like lets say make skills affect the thing you target and not the things behind it and such things. Regards having the Rank 9 which is almost the highest be for something useless they will fix and rework later... yeah...

[livid spruce]

It's not omitted, you effectively have double drop rate for boss uniques when looking for LP

And for getting good rolls on sets from bosses, you have that too

[mossy fractal]

Ah, you see no problem. Then great for you.

[livid spruce]

you're saying something that is not true is a problem, or you're exaggerating the issue, these things don't help

[azure token]

why not

[livid spruce]

4 LP almost doesn't exist now due to how rare it is, 5 LP would have almost 0 drop chance

[heady spear]

when a majority of ur build is boss loot uniques 💀😭

[mossy fractal]

That is your opinion. But then again you probably do not play on a mixed faction discord with many players and know the discrepancy between gear for people that have played as much as you. This is a given and if you do not see that boss loot is the one big thing that could need a touch up for CoF then you don't.

[heady spear]

and each of my uniques I need are uncommon drops

[livid spruce]

No, it's just a fact that CF offers double LP chance on boss uniques.

[finite charm]

Even getting 2lp is not easy. (last steps, shackles, immolator's, ashes, etc)

Or 1lp of some items like omnis or heart.

[finite charm]

There is 1 item that is functionally 5 LP.

Merophage can have 5 affixes added to it, if you shatter something that has a sealed affix

[gleaming trout]

Even then, compared to prophecies which also benefit from said passive, a system to hunt for boss loot is lacking. Compared to trade which does not directly discriminate (the effect of popularity/demand is there but that's a market quirk that affects all items).

There's room to add some active feature for boss loot. If people think the existing unique generation rate per favor would be OP for boss drops, they can be tuned by cost. Think of how much more expensive the 1LP prophecies are. Whatever the feature and cost would be, point is that would at least give the player another choice of where to target favor spending.

[worldly lion]

Trade is full of dupe and exploit. Not comparable.

Tbh

Can't even evaluate that market, it's not real.

[jolly trail]

looking for 3 other cof members that can do approx 900 cor or better to test arena xp gains. someone else was getting 60% higher favor per hour repeating a dense monolith. i want to see what favor per hour we can get spawn camping the smallest arena map. looking to do this around 5 CST NA Server only test for 30mins.

[wheat coral]

Anyone else have all their characters Solo CF?

[azure token]

Can a build be made around it?

[finite charm]

Maybe?

I dunno, there's better gear out there IMO

The thing about merophage is that you can keep replacing affixes on it

It doesn't have LP, it has an ability that is a lot like LP, except you can keep going even after it already has affixes

so you can end up with something great, or something jank

[finite gust]

Do the items dropped by prophecies scale with the corruption of the zone they drop in? both with regard to total tiers on exalts, and/or LP for uniques?

[warped spruce]

nope

[livid spruce]

Well, boss loot is naturally targetable by the stability/key systems, but yeah I wouldn't be opposed to some changes beyond that.

[celest swift]

I'm so sick of this trash. Telescopes keep resetting.

[frosty pelican]

Thought this would be relevant here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAA8QSPRf-M
Just finished the first version of my "Best Lens" calculator tool; https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit?usp=sharing
TLDR;

• Select the prophecy rewards you want
• Select the events you want
• Enter the region you are rolling in
• Enter your CoF Rank
• Enter Lenses to get reroll or cost efficiency to find optimal lens combination

[lucid pawn]

Anyone been trying to get a wheel of torment staff with more than 1 LP ?

[ocean iris]

Im just trying to get that staff a few days ago, 3 prophecies quest (cof10) got 6 lp1 and 2 lp0, all bad rolls tho

[solid seal]

I thought you gave up farming that staff? #⭕┃circle-of-fortune message

[finite charm]

I gave him the % from the spreadsheet @solid seal

Basically rarer than red ring

[solid seal]

Wheel of Torment Two-Handed Staff 7.28% 75 33.68% 1.92% 0.03% 0.00% kek

[finite charm]

Lol yep

[finite gust]

wow, turns out prophecies are affected by corruption. #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[finite charm]

Interesting...

[nocturne oar]

am i being less efficient by filling up bonus stabilty bar per echo?

[heady spear]

I mean when you eventually do boss fight it just takes the stability for boss fight and it rolls over the extra doesn’t it

[nocturne oar]

yes.. i like filling up stability because i do less echos that way but i dunno if that's bad

[heady spear]

I mean not really ur just fillin up on stability otherwise the only other way I could see it being slightly inefficient is delaying boss fight which means delaying getting shades which means all the extra time u spend doing echos u could be pushing towards higher corruption

so I guess In terms of farming boss , it’ll be not a problem since ur fillin up stability but the only other trade off is pushing corruption

[steel dune]

I think it's best to rush the echos near the starting area and to fill up the stability when you are very far at the edge. You want to maximize stability per time spent and you get more there.

[nocturne oar]

ah okay, thanks for clarifying, ill stop filling up beginning ones then. i just see a huge green bar after a gaze or two and usually dont want to waste that bonus stability

[urban turtle]

If verifying your game files doesn't work, please submit an in game bug report for this if you haven't already! I can't find any other in gmsae reports for this so the data will be helpful!

[jolly trail]

@frosty pelican look at that link up a few

[celest swift]

I’ll try that verifying game files tonight and see what happens. Maybe it will fix my problem with Flurry breaking every other monolith too.

The telescope issue is rare but often enough to really be annoying. It happens most frequently when there is a node with guaranteed 1lp I’m trying to save up for.

[frosty pelican]

Super interesting! I wasnt 100% confident with the sample size of my original test, though now that I'm at 2k corruption I can probably see a more significant increase.

To be honest I was hoping that wasn't true. That basically means non monolith prophecies are really suboptimal.

Meaning rerolls will suck if you want to "min max"

Though if builds aren't intended to reach 1k+ corruption as Mike stated, perhaps it doesn't actually matter

[urban turtle]

Thank you! The Flurry bug could be related to how fast it fires, and then how many pings have to go back and forth to the server - I'd need more info to be sure though that's also worth reporting, especially if you are able to give details such as what happens leading up to it 'breaking', how long you were playing before it happened and if reloading before it breaks helps delay the issue!

[jolly trail]

For LP rates it didn't look like there is much benefit past 600 from what the devs gave us.

That stuff would be very hard to test without doing it offline with mods

[frosty pelican]

Yea it's diminished for sure but not nothing, every extra bit makes getting a statistically significant sample easier

[teal iron]

hey guys quick question for whoever can answer it... I am having trouble trying to leave the CoF. i have unequipped every item i have on and im still getting a message that says unequip faction item first. Am i missing something here or is the game glitching out?

[jolly spire]

idols?

[celest swift]

The Flurry bug happens every 3rd or 4th monolith. My build is based on melee attack speed. I can sometimes get up to 200%.

If I teleport to a different timeline and come back it fixes the bug for another 2-3 monos. If I teleport to another location in the same timeline the bug persists.

Let me try verifying files tonight after work. I haven’t done that yet.

I submit a new bug report on this after every patch release when it’s not yet fixed and also post in the feedback thread on discord under skills-rogue channel.

I have another comment but I’m going to move it to the bugs > skills - rogue channel so it doesn’t clutter up CoF.

[warm portal]

Hey guys, does anyone have a additional "Foot of the Mountain" pair??

[rancid swift]

can prophecies drop timeline-relevant loot? i am trying to farm the Paranoia helmet from black sun timeline and i have a prophecy for unique helmets on 5 exiled mages kill - can that one drop that helmet as well?

[spare owl]

I have one but CoF items can only be traded if you find them while Partied up with someone (and only to that Person) unless you play enough with a Person to get a Golden/Obsidian Resonance which can be used for 1 Trade of something you found alone. Afaik at least could be wrong on some Points.
Or did you want something else entirely and I'm just assuming?😅

[warm portal]

what about gifting??

[spare owl]

It can drop from Prophecies. It can also drop anywhere as a Random drop, not only in Black Sun.

[spare owl]

Gifting system is what I meant with trade

[warm portal]

oh...sad

thx anyway

[rancid swift]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwZgrATBCMQ it says target farm black sun, so i guess it's the most "efficient" method?

[spare owl]

Yes, because of the Unique Helmet Echoes. The Timeline itself doesn't have a higher dropchance of the item but the Unique Helmet Echoes can only be found there. And while doing those you will ofc only get Helmets so it's way less random than just a random drop.

[rancid swift]

i see, many thanks!

[spare owl]

But imo once you get favor quickly enough doing Helmet Prophecies is way better than looking for Helmet Nodes. Especially with CoF Rank 10 since if you drop something good you get a duplicate for free 😄
Or rather, doing both at the same Time I guess.

[finite charm]

I just asked the devs about this. They said they aren't doing this.

[sage hearth]

nice of them backtracking 😔

i mean as i said, they said they want to make new dungeons and said reward is a posibility, not that they are gonna do it

they want to push Pinacle bosses

[finite charm]

I made a suggestion:

#1210289386252664962 message

🤞 maybe it gets accepted. I don't think it could be easily abused especially if you add difficulty layers like having to collect LP items of the same type to reset it

[sage hearth]

cheers lad, i upvote that

[wheat coral]

Does completing prophecies do anything for gaining favor?

[solid seal]

No.

[wheat coral]

F

It’s taking a long time just to get to 5 lol

I dread the grind I’ll have to do to get 6

They should let you choose the faction a bit earlier, at least on alts.

[celest swift]

Can you explain what you mean by that more? I didn't get what your vision for that would be.

[solid seal]

Gaining experience = Gaining Favor (750:1). Gaining favor = Gaining rep (1:2). Spending favor = Gaining rep (1:2). Any form of spending counts (gamble, buy lenses, reroll constellations, buy prophecies). Completing or abandoning prophecies frees up an active prophecy slot.

[wheat coral]

Rough man.

[finite charm]

I explained it here: #1210289386252664962 message

It's a pretty long post, but, let me know if a part of it is confusing

i'll edit it to make it clearer. Thanks!

[celest swift]

Makes total sense.

I added another idea on top.
They should make MG cost massive amounts of Gold and that way it would remove gold permamnently from the economy for MG.

[finite charm]

I liked your addition

Upvote the post, hopefully they see it 🤞

[celest swift]

A big issue with their inflation is the vault and stash tabs are the only two ways gold ever leaves the game.

[finite charm]

yep

[solid seal]

account bans kek

[finite charm]

lol short of that too @solid seal

Check out the suggestion I made trying to address some of the "feel bad" mechanics the game has right now @solid seal

the more people see it and upvote, IMO the better chance at devs looking at it seriously

[native isle]

MG ranks could require being bought into

once you have the favor, a million gold per rank level to buy into it

[worldly lion]

I think CoF should be baseline addition to the game, delete merchants guild and allow p2p trading.

Factions are the worst addition to the game so far, not close, imo.

Whole thing silly

[native isle]

frankly, I think that's fine, too

CoF feels great to play, and there's really no reason to lock MG people out of it, other than to force MG players to use the bazaar for everything

great with the exception of boss drops and prophecy drops not taking area +rarity into account

[worldly lion]

If they really want factions, make it something less polarizing. Strange to have a system so clearly...well...bad for half the people, but say:

"Sorry you didn't know that, but btw we don't make changes mid cycle"

[livid spruce]

Just because you don't personally understand/enjoy something doesn't make it silly

[wheat coral]

I enjoy CoF a lot

I hope they don’t drastically change it to please the people who want it to be on par with MG

[native isle]

CoF doesn't need "drastic" changes

it just needs to have a way of affecting boss drops

and prophecy rewards really ought to be affected by the +rarity bonus of the area they drop in

[finite charm]

If I could re roll boss drops with high LP after failed slam it wouldn't feel as bad if they didn't add something to affect the drop rate.

[vernal zenith]

Get rid of the 2 factions or just combine the 2 mechanics

[finite charm]

I really think a resetting dungeon has a lot of potential to increase QOL for players

[native isle]

the eternity cache needs addressing

there should be no such thing as bricking a unique

[finite charm]

#1210289386252664962 message

@feral patio

Read my suggestion to the devs

[native isle]

losing an exalted is fine, but let us re-slam onto a unique to try for better results

[finite charm]

Up vote if you think it's good.

Hopefully more visibility means they look at it.

[native isle]

I updooted

I'm taking a break from LE for now

I'm waiting to see what the next big patch addresses

running the same monos over and over again, just to finally get the item you're looking for, just to have the Eternity Cache brick it, was the nail in the coffin for me

[outer nacelle]

i dont see them ever taking bricking out of the game. it's part of the grind

[native isle]

it's a terrible design decision when you take hard-to-get items into account

the grind should be for obtaining the items in the first place, not replacing them when the game mechanic randomly chooses to brick it

[finite charm]

#1210289386252664962 message

there's ways.

I'm suggesting this

[outer nacelle]

i know where you're coming from, because I'm cof and my build has literally 50% boss drops and 1 failed slam is a weeks worth of farming for me. but would your proposal even exist if boss drops worked with prophecies? Instead of a weeks worth of effort to reslam, it'd be 1 day? MG and COF are never going to be equal and MG can reslam it in 5 minutes with a bit of gold.

[acoustic cedar]

"Brick it" is an overstatement. The item doesn't become any worse at all.

But I share your frustration

I ditched a build because of that

I just made a build that revolves around a set and has 1 unique, maybe 2 down the line. If you choose a unique heavy build that needs 2-3 lp everywhere, you'll have to go MG

Folks there are fully decked out and clear 3 times as many arena waves than CoF players

In MG I could buy my boots with 2LP for 200k gold a pop. I'm rank 10 CoF, almost 3 characters at level 100 and I haven't found a pair with 2LP myself. It's just nowhere near as accessible as trading is

Tried farming death rattle on my necro, I found 30 altogether and none even had 2lp

Meanwhile in MG there's 8 of those up for less than 20m

/rant

[native isle]

difference is, I don't want to play Virtual Day Trader

I want to kill things, blow them up, see loot drop

I want to get excited at seeing things drop

[finite charm]

Yes. It would stil exist

high LP rolls especially on higher LPL items, are extremely rare

[native isle]

not sigh knowing that the 30 things that just dropped are all rolling at base rarity values and stupidly incredibly unlikely to be worth anything

[finite charm]

bricking them is still a crap ton of effort

besides that

[acoustic cedar]

Same...

[finite charm]

they've already said that they won't touch CoF to give it a buff for boss drops

[native isle]

ooooooof

for real?

[finite charm]

so this is a way that everyone can benefit

that's my proposal

[native isle]

there goes even more desire to continue playing

[acoustic cedar]

They're basically saying don't play CoF if you're gonna use boss uniques lol

I mean, we do get more chance for LP, but ..

[finite charm]

If we could reset items

[outer nacelle]

they said they wont make prophs work with boss drops. not that they wouldn't change the ranks around (which may have a rank that addresses boss drops?)

[finite charm]

it wouldn't be as bad

[outer nacelle]

whatever they do, it probably wont be enough

and im not playing cof next cycle

[finite charm]

They said both AFAIK

they're keeping rank 9 as sets

[native isle]

oh, prophecies not affecting boss drops

man, it feels really bad thinking about switching from CoF to MG and ditching all the gear I've found

[outer nacelle]

i dunno why they are anti prophs on boss

[native isle]

guess I'll just not play LE any more

[acoustic cedar]

They buffed sets slightly at some point after LP became a thing but clearly it was nowhere near enough of a buff. People just filter set items out

[native isle]

a real shame

means I'll also not recommend it friends and coworkers that I talk games with

[finite charm]

supposedly they're buffing set items again

[outer nacelle]

im way too deep in to change to mg right now. i made my bed

[finite charm]

but i'm not sure it'll be enough to turn them into end game gear

[outer nacelle]

next cycle, i'm out. unfortunately.

[finite charm]

So, given the above, why not ask them to create a dungeon to allow us to reset failed slams?

it doesn't have to be super easy, the proposal i put out there has some things in it that make it still an effort to reset

[outer nacelle]

i too dont want to play day trader. but its the lesser of two evils if you really want to min max

[native isle]

not being able to get a build to 90% without grinding the real end-game gear is enough of an argument for CoF not being as behind MG for gearing

[solid seal]

"build to 90%"? "real end-game gear"? Sounds like a problem with managing expectations.

[trail geode]

mabey diablo 4 is more your playstyle you try it?

[sharp chasm]

I think they should add failed slam reset and it should only be available to CoF, maybe a rank reward idk. But farming one unique for wewks to only get 1 lp twice and failing the slam every time, not a great experience. Would have made gold cap in MG, in that time, buying everything I need.

CoF is only worth it if you don't follow these end game gears and really just try to make it work from what you get

[celest swift]

Failing slams would not be a problem if the 2lp and 3lp items didn't drop once a week of playing the game.
As it functions currently pushing beyond 200c you really kind of have to use a specific set of 0+ LP uniques that all builds are using. (meta items)
If you want to do a custom off meta build you either need 2 LP+ uniques (off meta) or you need to play a build that leans in some way toward the meta builds or you need to have played a broken build at some point in the season like falconer bomb or DA MM.

What I think a lot of people did is they took the meta build or the meta ward uniques strategy etc. and pushed higher corruptions 400+ to then farm gear before trying other off meta builds.

My build is pretty bad considering I cannot really go above 200c right now with it. However if I could find 2 LP uniques more frequently I wouldn't mind farming them to go attempt some slams even if they failed so long as they dropped at a reasonable rate.
Right now 200c mono's take like 3+ minutes to clear usually but bosses take me like 5m+ to kill. DA MM can melt with just two daggers and 0 gear right now.

Anyway I feel like my only option is go meta, get to 400c, farm, switch back to what I actually want to play.

[smoky wigeon]

ye honestly kinda sh1tty, that people are more or less forced to play something they maybe don't want to, to play something they actually want to play, I on the other side just play offmeta and don't really care about high corruption, I probably could push with my flame reave spell blade to 500 or 600ish (not to sure honestly).

[idle kiln]

Presence of "rune dagger" rewards in eos (red) region makes rolling daggers absolutely ass. It is the only base that gets singled out and shares like 50% of my dagger rewards with generic ones. Combined with amount of types of rewards in this region and always persistent problem of set and unique rewards, former of which is useless in 100% of the cases, makes eos region by far the worst investment of favor.

[celest swift]

Also the fact that every weapon blessing has 50-90% mod but dagger is 50-75%.

[frosty pelican]

There is only 1 rare Rune dagger prophecy vs 2 unique daggers, I suggest using my spreadsheet for help rolling for these optimally

See Lens Calculator in;

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Also the Rare Rune dagger prophecy is a good way to get exalts bases for slams with the CoF rarity upgrade rank perk.

Eos does suck to roll though, at least it has 200% lenses at R10

[azure ice]

@frosty pelican thanks for providing content to the community. I find your resources to be a huge help and enjoy watching your vids

[idle kiln]

Wow that is a lot of useful info in one doc, thank you. Tough luck with high rank lenses for a week or so- I started fresh save and climbing ranks takes a while. (after typing this sentence I noticed your video on reaching rank 10 so I guess I'll be acquainting myself with your channel for a while)

[dull isle]

If you're looking for a LP pair of Frostbite Shackles and killing Formosus - does it help to use a prophecy that gives Unique Gloves when killing Frost Lich Formosus or are those gloves from the prophecy reward not including the boss drops even though it comes from killing the boss?

[spiral belfry]

hi guys i'm looking for mighty eagles for my hammerdin build but i'm struggling a lot, is there any way to force them to drop other than prophecies and blessings?

[livid spruce]

No, prophecies are only global drops regardless of trigger

[dull isle]

OK thank you

[azure ice]

I always pray to RNGesus

[native isle]

I played Diablo4 through season 1, when it became abundantly clear the devs had no clue what they're doing

I'm going to wait and see what season 4 is released like before I decide to go back to it

[azure ice]

Nothing wrong with taking a break. I found that leveling up a new build made have me the itch to keep on pushing on my main. Even through the broken crafting lol

[azure ice]

If I play the new d4 season it won’t be too serious. Just roll a hardcore character and go in there blind to see how far I can push. But the entire time I’d probably be thinking about all the prophecies I could of been lootsplosion in LE lol

[smoky wigeon]

played only hardcore season 1, cleared everything on first try, while my entire party died to bugs or because they thought pushing stuff that was way above our level was risk free, and stopped playing after reaching what level 60 or 70 or something inbetween because literally everything felt the same, dungeons were boring af, so was the tree of whispers and the other zone i forgot the name of.
Loved the performance, cinematics, art and so on, but i doubt blizzard will have a good diablo until like season 20.
Skill and build choice, was the worst out of every single arpg I played in my entire life though.

[wheat coral]

I regret making all my characters SCF

[azure ice]

Have you hit rank 10 yet?

[wheat coral]

I’m only at halfway to R5 on one character

the rest aren’t even CoF yet

they all will be, but not yet T_T

i wish they made CoF attainable earlier dawg

[azure ice]

COF receives a huge spike at rank 10, if you can make it that long lol

[wheat coral]

I forgot what the R10 bonus is

But damn I wish I had some of it

So far I’ve found one usable LP item, and it’s only LP 1 (and not that good) T_T

[hallow plume]

well yeah if your rank 5 you have barely started playing the game

[wheat coral]

like level 72 or 73 on my Spellblade

[azure ice]

It’s a combination of having access to 3 lenses along with the rank 10 bonus which doubles the amount of prophecy awards. Rank 10 COF with multiplication lenses that increase drop amount and increase total use amount allow the opportunity to easily drop over 20 items with 1 prophecy

[wheat coral]

Wait, should I have been purchasing lenses?

[azure ice]

Yes definitely

[wheat coral]

Well damn, I’ll be.

I’ve just been purchasing random prophecies

Just tryna grind bigly number

ah, actually, they can’t change it without also changing MG access point, which might break balance

damnit.

[azure ice]

You can do it that way too, personally I try to purchase prophecies that match an activity Im going to do or a mono I’m farming

[wheat coral]

I can’t even get past Lightless Arbor T2 lol

Maybe I should try to map a button to potions so I can use potions lol

[azure ice]

🤭

[wheat coral]

What’s that mean 😮

[azure ice]

You still have a long way to go. Keep on grinding. A lot of helpful info on YouTube too if you want tips and tricks

[wheat coral]

That’s the “awww look at this baby” emoji 😭

Dude I can explain

When I mapped my controller buttons, it wouldn’t let me map certain buttons

And my LS doesn’t work

So I had to make do, and just beat the whole game only using a potion when I pick one up off the floor while at max

[hallow plume]

yeah like your just starting it's way 2 early to regret a faction choice

lol

just look some stuff up and enjoy the journey 🙂