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stray briar
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above works

final pebble
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Can prophecy rewards that are, say gloves, give you gloves that only drop from a monolith boss?

jolly spire
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no

final pebble
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Can those gloves be bought through the merchants guild?

jolly spire
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pretty sure, yes

final pebble
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Thankyou

rugged maple
wicked berry
wicked berry
turbid mauve
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any suggestions on how to farm exalted rings?

livid spruce
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Yeah, items gained through one faction's benefits cannot be used while in the other faction

bright owl
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Still can use those without a faction tag

sterile cloud
slim zinc
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I've been hunting for bases to use my runes of ascendance on. But it seems very rare that items drop with the CoF requirement to make the most out of the runes. Is the vendor the only way? Items there seem expensive compared to prophecies.

unborn helm
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i feel like rank 9 is a cosmetic rank <.<

unreal nest
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3rd lens pretty good

mossy delta
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Rank 9 is the most important rank. getting a 3rd lens slot is big

unborn helm
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yea the 3rd lens is good, but the actual lvl 9 perk is eh

mossy delta
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Sets are getting their own system, but it was intentionally made weaker because of the 3rd lens

sturdy pond
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it is just future-proofing the game, when sets get reworked, and are the strongest in the game :copium:

mossy delta
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I don't think anyone expects them to be that strong lol.

unborn helm
tropic summit
tropic summit
mossy delta
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3rd is way more valuable than 1st and 2nd.

tropic summit
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I think they are all valuable

mint sierra
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anyone want to run t4 temporal? im pretty low level so it might be a bit of a carry

tropic summit
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Don't justify a bad rank reward

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😦

mossy delta
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I'm not. It was directly stated.

tropic summit
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It's still a bad take

mossy delta
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It's not. It's just one you don't agree with.

unreal nest
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The reward isn't bad. It still drops a full set - that reward is great. Your complaint is actually that Sets aren't good so you would never wear a full one.

tropic summit
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Sounds like a difference of opinion, which can change

tropic summit
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Unless they intend to add tons of set items

unreal nest
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and you may still never get the full set - target farming isnt guaranteeing. R9 Guarantees if you get 1 piece you can wear the full set

mossy delta
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Every reward we get from prophecies can be target farmed in other ways. Doesn't make prophecies bad.

tropic summit
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I don't think I ever Said prophecies are bad

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Except keys:]

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But that's tongue in cheek

mossy delta
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I know. But I used the same logic you used on something different.

tropic summit
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I don't think it's the same

mossy delta
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It is, but it just comes back around to the true issue that people have is that sets are bad.

tropic summit
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I donno - still think it's massively underwhelming even if they were good

sturdy pond
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no

mossy delta
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I played both to rank 10. CoF does not need a buff in the way you are suggesting.

unreal nest
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CoF is great

tropic summit
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I'd settle for lower favor cost

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Naw, if you adjust favor cost you wouldn't have to

little coral
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i think more specific target farming would be better

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your effictivley fighting 80 thousand people for 1 item in CoF

mossy delta
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The only improvement I think CoF needs is to allow to turn all the "rare item" prophecies into specific sub types with their focusing lenses. Kind of like how the Rare Amulet prophecy gives all bone amulets. I think every base type should have a prophecy for it that can be changed to a subtype with the lens.

little coral
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where as in merchants guild all you do is buy it

mossy delta
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playing the game gives favour

tropic summit
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You can just adjust prophecy cost

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No need to affect gains

little coral
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i mean its easier to earn favour in MG

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personally they should revert the xp tome nerf

mossy delta
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No it's not?

little coral
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yes it is

mossy delta
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How?

little coral
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ive ran it

mossy delta
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I'm rank 10 in both

little coral
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i can earn rougly 30thousand an hour in CoF

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and 50k an Hour in merchant

noble wedge
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anyone here wanna come shade of orobys 386 corruption

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help me get omnis

cursive eagle
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its literally the same xD cause favor gains are connected to xp if you run the same level of corruption you will get same favor gains xD

mossy delta
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It's not easier. It's the same experience : favour rate for both

little coral
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm

mossy delta
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The whole reason for the nerf/bug fix of the tomes was because it allowed CoF to level their faction faster and get more favour than MG.

little coral
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i may have been calculating wrong

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ahh

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i somehow have a 1.5x multiplier in sheets for some reason

sturdy pond
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KEK

little coral
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removing that put cof slightly higer

tropic summit
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This btw

little coral
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but thats because tomes

tropic summit
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I started a few days into the season and I just broke rank 9 in cof

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So

mossy delta
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What exactly is balanced for "no lifers" ?

tropic summit
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Runescape and eve online

mossy delta
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I meant in LE

tropic summit
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Uhm...

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Stash tab prices I guess

mossy delta
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? you need less tabs the shorter amount you play.

tropic summit
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But the point is, things need to be adjusted for short term play

dense fern
tropic summit
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This is my house

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Go back

mossy delta
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And no. Things shouldn't be adjusted for short term play. You have to have content there for the no lifers. It's not about balance.

tropic summit
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Or I'll visit you again

tropic summit
tropic summit
dense fern
tropic summit
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I actually play around 60ish.. but sure

little coral
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sounds like cope

vital frigate
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Hey all, will my rank go down if I use all my favor? Should I not buy any prophecies until I reach max rank?

mossy delta
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There is no content that is inaccessible to someone who plays casually currently. The game isn't balanced around "no lifing", but it has content you can no life to. like creating multiple builds. Or you can ground out and min-max a single build.

jolly spire
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your rank actually goes up when you spend favor
so just buy prophecies whenever

vital frigate
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really?

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I've been saving it since launch lol

sturdy pond
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OOF

jolly spire
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spend it all, and watch it go up

mossy delta
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hopefully you didn't hit 1 million

unreal nest
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2 Rep points per favor spent

little coral
mossy delta
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999,999 is the cap of favour

vital frigate
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nah I have way less, I'm only rank 5 anyway

little coral
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how much

tropic summit
mossy delta
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The point is having content for only no lifers is not the same thing as balancing the game around no lifers. If it was the latter, no one would play.

tropic summit
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Godslayer has the hots for me, don't take them seriously :]

vital frigate
little coral
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thats only like 2 hours of grind

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not bad

tropic summit
mossy delta
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And that isn't even remotely close to being the case.

tropic summit
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For people who don't play it more than I work full time

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What weekly hourage do you think is reasonable

winter basin
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depends if u have kids lol

tropic summit
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Or other hobbies

winter basin
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i mean if u have kids it would be 0

mossy delta
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I think the question is, how long do you think it takes to complete a build?

tropic summit
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You'd be surprised

tropic summit
mossy delta
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not should. Because the argument is that it takes too long now.

tropic summit
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In a 3 month season

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So you disagree it should be possible?

mossy delta
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I want to know what this number people think it is currently. I don't agree that it is currently too long

tropic summit
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Its fine if you do, I'm just curious

mossy delta
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I disagree that it is even close to being an issue.

tropic summit
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Then what should be the indicator...?

mossy delta
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It's like 30 hours max to make a character. no one is taking 3 months to do that. even casually.

tropic summit
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To make one?

mossy delta
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To have a finished build where all you have left is min-maxing

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yes

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Less if you go MG.

tropic summit
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And that is the part I'm referring to

mossy delta
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And that is the part that doesn't matter to casuals

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It's a no lifers game at the min-maxing point

granite furnace
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way less if youre mg. i have 3 pretty much maxxed out chars

tropic summit
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Okay well, if that's your perspective there's no point in going farther

mossy delta
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You agreed with it already

brave cargo
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MG seems like the most appropriate faction for casual players idd. 🤔

tropic summit
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I think it is, but that is mainly because it's all we had

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We have seasons now. It's a different game mode

mossy delta
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a Casual still has plenty of time to min-max if it's only 30 hours to reach the point of min-maxing

vast dome
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just got double Lp3 Exsanguinous cause of CoF 10 , pog

mossy delta
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1 hr/day seems like a reasonable amount of time they are available to play if they want to play.

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or 7 hr/week

charred oracle
tropic summit
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Naw

vast dome
tropic summit
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I don't think poe even does that stuff anymore

mossy delta
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does what?

tropic summit
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The kind of grind you think is normal

white cargo
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There's a game you can finish in 3 days. Diablo 3.

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👍

charred oracle
sturdy pond
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ignore him

vast dome
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Not really i have 7 uniques to farm i just pick with Lenses what i need thats grindable, and i just csualy play the game

tropic summit
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You also get passive items

vast dome
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i have like 12 lp2 exsanguinous saved on stash

granite furnace
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i dont even get what your problem is. just attention seeking as far as i can tell. You can easily beat all content in this game with ssf drops. In any game min/maxxing does and should take time.

white narwhal
mossy delta
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Then you're wrong. The thing I said about having content for no lifers was basically the exact thing Jonathan said in a poe2 interview. You need the content for the no-lifers because not only does it provide the committed players with something to do. It gives casual players something to aspire to.

charred oracle
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yeah you can buy those non minmaxed items for super cheap on MG anyways so wym spam trading

mossy delta
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The grind in poe is much more than what it is in LE.

tropic summit
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Correct, but it was way worse in early beta

vast dome
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Still dropping ex lp 3 is a good drop, nothing to be " WOW U COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT " like man, u bought it from someone who droped it , exs lp3 is 0.6 chance if you are not CoF , still a good and respectable drop

sturdy pond
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blatant troll

charred oracle
tropic summit
vast dome
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i mean its just a merchant guild guy trashing people here, bet he buys gold from bots lmao

granite furnace
tropic summit
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You?

sturdy pond
tropic summit
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That's not how it reads but ok

charred oracle
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LOL how am i even trolling

white cargo
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players enjoying an aspect of the game
"wHy aRE yOU gUys hAviNg Fun??"

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"Buuut EeffiCiiencY"

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👎

noble wedge
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farmers diary - week 2 - 876 emp monos in > 200 corruption, omnis drops: 0

frail hare
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you guys are over reacting to what he said. its not that deep guys

white cargo
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I just block and move on

granite furnace
kind pulsar
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@noble wedge F

white cargo
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Also yaeh if the grind is too much for you but you're sitting here on discord, idk

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lmao

noble wedge
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im keeping diary

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not being overwhelmed

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thank you very much

tropic summit
neon sparrow
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If you get a prophesy that lined up with an item type + a mob that drops a specific item, can it force a higher drop rate?

Aka...Prophesy = Unique Wand from Exiled Mages will it increase the drop rate of Mad Alch Laddle?

granite furnace
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well if you honestly feel like its gonna take you 3 months to gear out a single char maybe you need a new genre? I hear Palworld is fun

next cape
charred oracle
tropic summit
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I love when people get so ego hurt they need to patronize and insult me, rofl

neon sparrow
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😦

tropic summit
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Palworld is fun also, don't trash on a fun game

charred oracle
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no one trashed palworld?

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just recommending you an easier game

mossy inlet
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will doing higher tier dungeon clear lower tier dungeon prophecy?

neon sparrow
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Man, I got lucky with a natty Mad Laddle LP1 10 hours in and havn't seen anymore. Now pushing 250 corruption and really need a better one.

next cape
tropic summit
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Okay... for one... easy isn't really a metric - because right now bugged warlock builds are hold button and walk. So, miss me with that accusation

charred oracle
tropic summit
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Healing hands smite

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Nice try.

charred oracle
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then the game is easier

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i dont see your point

tropic summit
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You can adjust scaling in palworld... so....

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Miss me again

frank vine
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fellas less crying more gaming

neon sparrow
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One button Warlocks are not the only build though.

kind pulsar
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They both HAVE TO respond to each other. It's like infinite recursion in real life

tropic summit
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It's almost like they can both be hard if you play them differently

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Crazy

tropic summit
sturdy pond
tropic summit
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Why would I take the high road

brave cargo
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To think this convo would be avoided if the person simply went MG 💀

neon sparrow
frank vine
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😩

naive token
tropic summit
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More like everyone wants to try to dunk and fails the free-throw

charred oracle
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you have a discussion channel and then cry when people discuss 😱

hoary bridge
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Sounds like a good reason to block them and keep discussing 😏

tropic summit
naive token
tropic summit
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Why should I let you run your mouth?

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Are you special?

naive token
tropic summit
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You can walk away too

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Lies.

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100%

naive token
tropic summit
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Wait...what kind of special...

hoary bridge
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Bad time to join CoF, eh?

tropic summit
naive token
tropic summit
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Bruh, I just wanted a civil talk with Kasey and I get nolifers get their feelings hurt and give me their bad takes

hazy elm
tropic summit
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Not you second

naive token
tropic summit
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Before you say anything

frank vine
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that man already hit you with the sure buddy he out big dawg

hoary bridge
naive token
tropic summit
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Here's a new troll

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Look

dense fern
frank vine
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🫡

tropic summit
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Godslayer is my stalker

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They love it when I'm here

hoary bridge
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Reading back, what's the current exploit with Warlock? So I can avoid it.

naive token
hazy elm
hoary bridge
hoary bridge
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I went with minionless Lich, so don't have to worry about accidentallying an exploit anytime soon.

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Hunting that ever coveted (by me) endless Reaper Form. Trying to remake my D3 Always Avatar sorceress 😛

vast dome
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anyone knows if u can drop weaver's will gloves in prophecies naturaly, or the prophecy needs to have the ( x lvl to weavers will ) on gloves ?

next cape
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Yes the Unique Gloves prophecy can drop WW Gloves

neon sparrow
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Seen weaver's will appear for proph's "to buy" from tele's, but they were all really low, like 8 pts...

vast dome
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yeah also saw that , thats why i wanna know if you can naturaly drop like a weaver will gloves from like a " uniques glove x(x) " in the prophecies tab

next cape
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You can. See above.

vast dome
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Yeah i just saw but wanted to double check, because ive farmed helms, bodies, boots uniques with double lens for double rewards and uses and never seen a WW item on those, but ty !

next cape
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No Weavers Will Helmet or Body Armor. There are boots so chalk it up to variance.

vast dome
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Yeah i presumed on helm and body , but boots ive farmed arround 40+ and idk if i was unlucky idk the rarity but i dont recal getting weavers on it , if i did well i didn't notice, either way, ty for your time !

next cape
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No worries if you've got any other questions feel free to ask away.

vast dome
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ty ^^

hoary bridge
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I love that there is just a faction that specializes in magic find. This is the best.

vast dome
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just completed a glove prophecie and got it , ty alwheezy !

next cape
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Np fam

jolly trail
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the global drop rate on the timeline uniques seems to be terrible. has anyone had any luck getting one through proph? im trying to farm rav void

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seems like proph uniques is the same trash every time

granite furnace
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rav void only drops of the boss right

next cape
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Ravenous Void is also one of the two rarest items (obviouslt tied with Red Ring) in the game. Your best bet is to spam the Glove Prophecy or Farm Gaspar if you need it that badly but I'll say again obviously it has a 98% reroll chance so good luck.

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No Ravenous Void can drop in the wild as well.

jolly trail
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gaspar?

next cape
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Just the raw drop is the same reroll chance as a Red Ring but again it's harder even when farming with prophecies because Gloves have a bigger pool than Rings to hit. Otherwise go Gaspar and pray.

jolly trail
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u think gaspar is better than the glove timeline?

next cape
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The raw drop for Ravenous Void is tied with Red Ring for being the highest reroll chance in the game at 98% reroll chance. Gloves also have a bloated unique pool with a lot of Common (0% reroll chance) Gloves. Also timelines focusing is just infinitely worse than spamming Prophecies for raw drop quantity where you can use double reward+double use prophecy lens.

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I'm not saying you CANT get it from doing the Glove timeline, I'm saying if you specifically want Ravenous Void it is highly inefficient to focus the Glove timeline over doing the Glove Prohpecy+Gaspar/Runes of Ascendance.

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A 98% reroll chance outside of Gaspar is still the same the difference being with the Gloves Prophecy giving in some cases with the lens bonus 10 gloves+ double use it'll be a better use of your time over a single Glove node that can also don't forget drop set items diluting the pool even further.

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tl;dr use prophecies they're infinitely more efficient and a better use of your time over timeline Unique nodes (BUT the timeline Unique nodes can still be nice)

naive nebula
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someone playing CoF can tell me if the prophecy "unique LP : 1" means the item comes with 1LP or with 1 more LP than when it rolls ? if it's 1LP in every case it kinda sucks regarding to its price?

next cape
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Yes it is terrible never buy it. It's 1 LP only for 1 item. Horribly inefficient.

hoary bridge
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Where can I farm Merophage?

next cape
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Exiled Mage

hoary bridge
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Time to farm Exiled Mages, I guess. I want it.

gritty hinge
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gritty hinge
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So, hypothetically, if there was 10 rings there’s a 1/10 chance that unique ring drops, then it checks the reroll chance. Do we know what happens the 98% of the time? Other unique ring in this example?

next cape
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Think of it like there is a big swimming pool of Uniques and you pick one out. If you happened to grab the Ravenous Void, you have a 98% chance to throw it back and grab something else instead.

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@gritty hinge make sense?

eternal harness
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Can I get a unique that usually drops from a specific boss/dungeon through the CoF unique prophecies?

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and what about other conditions like uniques that only drop with 200+ corruption (or similar)?

mossy delta
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No.

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There are no global drops that are corruption gated.

hidden mulch
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Anyone know if the reroll recursive? (i.e., 98% roll causes you to throw it back in and you happen to get another of the same ring, or another item with a reroll chance, does it check that one or do you just get it)

dawn galleon
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What if they change Rank 8 from Set reward (underwhelming to say the least) to Increased Boss drop chance, i think that would be an amazing change for CoF and boss drops

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Cos the set reward thing is kinda meh, if your build doesnt use sets well, its a useless Rank and even if you use sets you dont need 50 of the same sets. Boss drops are always needed, you need to farm it for the drop and then hope for a LP drop on top of it

hazy elm
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its meh now but sets getting complete rework so i think they made system with that in mind

dawn galleon
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Or you could say make 9->8 10-> 9 and make the increased boss drop lvl 10 CoF

mossy delta
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boss drops don't need buffs. They are all common besides like omnis, but omnis isn't required for any build.

mossy delta
slate wraith
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Personally I'd just like to see the upper end ranks shrunk a bit. I understand long term playability but as a first time empowers grinder in 1.0 I dropped 100+ hrs getting 2 characters to 85+ to mess around but lost our on the endgame scaling of XP leaving me dwindling at rank 6. Idk wish rank 8 was by empowers like lv 80/85 then grind harder, maybe swap 9 & 8 cause of power~

mossy delta
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you aren't going to level the faction well by making multiple characters. It's far more efficient to just play a single character to 100. That should get you to rank 9.

noble wedge
dry bluff
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Meanwhile in merchants guild you can at least save your money to buy one since most boss unique are build enabling

warped grail
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if a prophecy doesn't define a dungeon tier for the reward is it any tier, or always t1?

dry bluff
warped grail
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Thank you

mossy delta
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Even on trade 2LP is pretty much max you can expect to get on Heart. And you want it to be easier to get on CoF? That doesn't make sense.

dry bluff
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Makes sense to me but that's my opinion.

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At what point should we start seeing gg items? 2000 corruption? 5000? Diablo 3 all over again lol

mossy delta
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1 LP heart is GG. Your expectation is what is wrong.

golden ocean
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wait til you hear about d2

mossy delta
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D3 🤣 literally the easiest game to get good items in and you think it's bad for that... ofc.

golden ocean
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honestly id be cool with 2lp prophecies

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you still have to actually get the item

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just make them extremely expensive

dry bluff
mossy delta
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I'm not.

dry bluff
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Ok bud

golden ocean
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I think im wrong here

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this is my bad guys

dry bluff
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I have a feeling I have more level 100 characters than you

mossy delta
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Only got 6 1 LP hearts....

gleaming trout
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aside from the LP topic, I think the statistics of bad luck are also an interesting conversation. Very simple example: for a 25% chance base drop if 5000 people are looking for it, we expect 1 person to still not find it after 30 attempts. MG avoids this issue, but for solo players there will always be people who are really unlucky in some scenarios. Could there be future CoF prophecy tools to mitigate worst-case luck? IMHO it would be cool. I know games like LoL do crit normalization to avoid big good or bad streaks. Not saying I know what's best for LE, just find these numbers interesting.

mossy delta
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Base subtype is like the only place CoF needs to improve imo.

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Like the bone amulet prophecy is amazing, but they need to implement ways to do the same thing with other subtypes.

gleaming trout
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you moved the goalposts to another planet bro

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I'm metioning the meta-conversation regarding the nature and balancing of rng, and you think I'm asking to remove it?

next cape
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I wouldn't hate a prophecy that doubles Timeline Boss Drops or increases Timeline Bosses Drop chance w.e.

dry bluff
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Interesting assumption. I left a steam review before 1.0 with 360 hours played. Leveled 3 chars to level 100 before .9... LP should be more available to high end corruption blasters on boss drops. And who are you to determine what is gg or not? There is no pinnacle content except endless corruption and t4 julra

mossy delta
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I wonder if they will ever nerf boss drops where boss only drops global loot instead of per person.

dry bluff
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To be a gigachad

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Small pp energy my guy lol

mossy delta
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Multiboxing for boss drop seems like the play to make.

hoary bridge
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Wooooow, some real ego stroking right now.

tacit python
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Bruh, Heart already an over performing unique, why tf would they make it easier to make it even more powerful? Think my guy

warped grail
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"prophecy progressed" and get no rewards. dang bugs. now i'm sitting at 1/8

(killed majasa in chamber of vessels)

mossy delta
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I've found 6 2LP of the catalysts though. but 0 2 LP hearts. I think I'm for the RNG remover 🤣

hoary bridge
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Why Lightless Arbour got all the prophecies I want/need? Game, why u do dis?

mossy delta
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Lightless Arbor drops good uniques

hoary bridge
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I like Lightless for the maze/mob spawns, I dislike lightless for the maze. It's a love hate relationship

mossy delta
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Cathonic Fissure has been a godsend for dungeon mazes. Just skip right over them lol

hoary bridge
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No, I just want to be able to weave a path through the whole dungeon, to 100% it. Without overlapping pathing.

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Lightless is very good for letting me maintain Reaper as long as possible, the complaints are mostly cheeky jokes

dry bluff
mossy delta
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Hasn't everyone?

stable hamlet
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COF ON TOP

tacit python
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How does that all play in to my statement? Doesn't change the fact Heart is OP even at 0 LP

hoary bridge
dry bluff
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Wanna know what's overperforming? Dots. Heart won't save you from a poison arrow to the face

tacit python
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Not to mention, they've stated multiple times anything pushing that high is broken as is lol

mossy delta
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oh no. everyone dies at 1000000000 corruption so it's not op.

tacit python
dry bluff
hoary bridge
dry bluff
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I'm just saying if there's an option to get 4 lp on any item... it doesn't have to be the heart specifically...
There should be a way to target farm it with COF without an astromonical impossible odds.

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Yes actually

tacit python
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Except getting 4 LP on certain items is already astronomically impossible and that shouldn't change

dry bluff
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Because some other weirdo like me isn't gonna get lucky and double his power

tacit python
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I mean, statistically it is the max lol

cosmic lily
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arpgs are a zero sum game ig

dry bluff
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But it isn't a sp game tho

mossy delta
#

Then play trade if it bothers you.

mystic wyvern
#

I'm queueing up for ranked competitive Last Epoch right now. I'm Bronze 3

dry bluff
#

Oh come on this discussion is lame.

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Yall don't get it

cosmic lily
#

envy is not a good look fam

tacit python
#

You don't get balancing lol

dry bluff
#

Oh please I guarantee you all of
My characters are more roided up than yours come on now

tacit python
#

If one lucky mfer out of hundreds of thousands of players gets a 2LP, good for them, they should hit the lotto

tacit python
mystic wyvern
mossy delta
#

You don't get it. CoF wasn't made to compete with MG. CoF was simply to make SSF fun and an actual option. CoF will never be able to compete with MG when it comes to the ability to min-max. So if the highest statistically possible LP is what you are aiming for, you need to play MG.

tacit python
#

"I no life the game, therefore my opinion matters more than yours" lmao

dry bluff
mystic wyvern
#

It's a pretty weird stance that you're more hardcore than everyone else but instead of being hardcore and grinding the item out, you're whining about it here

mossy delta
#

It's not an opinion. Devs have directly stated that CoF will never be able to compete with MG during streams.

little oasis
#

What's the point of being able to instantly access something that's extremely rare

cosmic lily
#

if CoF were built to compete with MG it would actually be boring. you already hit like 95% of a characters power cap in a day or two of playtime.

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i would prefer to get more than a days work of game out of a character thanks

hoary bridge
#

Actually awesome to see a community that doesn't want the grind to get easier, specially in this type of game

little oasis
#

Imagine d2 players saying "how come I can't target farm zod runes??"

mossy delta
#

It must be the time of the day. I see this argument a few times in here. And it is sometimes more people stacked on the same side as Domnu.

dry bluff
#

That's the not the point I'm arguing here, you guys have lost track of the convo lol. I'm saying the guys that spend hundreds of hours on one character should have a way to farm those super rare high lp unique. You act like every one and their mom is farming 1k + corruption

hoary bridge
mystic wyvern
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You stated your own solution

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Start grinding

little oasis
mossy delta
#

What do you do when 100 isn't enought? you do 200.

dry bluff
#

Just a small buff to boss lp unique for reaching a certain corruption. Anything. Something

hoary bridge
#

I already know I want a sword that is only dropped by Exiled Mages. I've got an minimum 100 hrs of grinding for it, even for a non-LP version

mossy delta
#

But if you want a real solution. buy 3 more copies of the game and multibox the bosses.

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Then you get 4 times the boss drops.

dry bluff
#

I'm talking about as a cof reward

mossy delta
#

Not to mention the CoF rank gives double chance for LP

hoary bridge
#

😅 I joined the faction and just went straight to Monoliths without looking lol

mossy delta
#

Also aren't boss drops considered echo rewards?

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so the 35% chance to drop double rewards gives extra boss drops

dry bluff
#

Nope. Only 1 boss item drops at a time

mossy delta
#

no lol

dry bluff
#

Yeah lol

mossy delta
#

That's completely wrong even if that didn't work. I get every single boss drop sometimes

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I'm not sure you even play the game now

dry bluff
#

Oh well why would that even matter. You are usually just after the one item anyways

mossy delta
#

because it means you get it more often...

dry bluff
#

What build uses reign of winter and that silly hat

hoary bridge
#

Both Kasey and Name helping me learning mechanics in this debate, both your patiences is commendable 😛

#

As someone who is playing exclusively SAF I'm very much looking forward to this unique grind.

dry bluff
#

Well good luck with it. My problem may be that I push my builds too far too fast

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I guess I expect too much from gear

hoary bridge
#

Legit? That exists as an exception? That's pretty cool

mossy delta
#

What Age of Winter unique are you going for? I thought you were going for 2LP heart? Which drops on reign of dragons. yet for some reason you are talking about Age of Winter uniques.

dry bluff
#

Hey I've been waiting for a long time for this to release I took a few weeks off work to play. No need to insult me personally man

hoary bridge
#

Hmm, question for the Circle, I'm doing a Drain life/Reaper kind of thing on Lich. Is there a preferred weapon to want to look for, as far as uniques or set items go?

dry bluff
#

I think my patience has reached its limit with these casuals. Cheers

stable hamlet
#

cant change maps, is server broken again?

mossy delta
#

🤣 Casual... The people grinding for gear instead of complaining for gear are the casuals.

#

They fixing the bugs

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Looks like Domnu will have his corruption cut in half.

tacit python
hoary bridge
#

Looks like what I want for Drain Life is a catalyst called Stygian Coal

mossy delta
#

Well, if he got minion health on his gear, I think half can be maintained.

hoary bridge
#

Good to know.

#

So, you all are talking about corruption... what is it actually?

mossy delta
#

idk. lol. I don't know if he was actually a bug abuser or not.

#

They said nothing about healing hands being a bug so I guess that is just working as intended.

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After converting healing hands to give ward, it shouldn't scale with healing effectiveness. Just like how all conversion works in the rest of the game.

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But it does.

charred oracle
#

what to do with 600k favor

mossy delta
#

But the Warlock bug was the one I was talking about. The profane veil one. If people stacked minion health, they should be able to still perform at like half corruption.

charred oracle
#

are there 2lp prophecies i can take?

dry bluff
#

My main is a runemaster mage using lightning blast and ladle. I do not use bugged builds.

charred oracle
simple thorn
#

Is there any info about how cycle ending and merging with legacy will work?

dry bluff
#

They fixed that

charred oracle
#

oh my bad didnt know then

mossy delta
#

Nothing? Just like how all conversions work. It would scale with ward related stat, but there is no such stat. There is no conversion in the game that keeps it scaling from modifiers from before conversion. Healing hands is now the only exception and everyone thought it was a bug.

dry bluff
#

Damn yall shitting on me for just having a different opinion lol

hoary bridge
#

#💀┃acolyte Didn't really have answers lol, everyone's too busy doing Ward based builds and not Life Leech.

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Oh, missed that! Thanks!

dry bluff
#

Actually farming for a 3lp+ belt from abom tyvm lol

mossy delta
#

I mean, it would be weak as the only source of ward, but it's also way too strong

#

it's getting 100k+ ward

#

Actually, it probably isn't too weak w/out scaling. how much healing effectiveness they get? 1k%?

#

They would probably get like 20k then?

hoary bridge
#

I think the strength of my build is going to be hand crafted rares until I can go find the uniques I want. Marina's Souls is now on my wishlist, though, along with Merophage

fervent marsh
#

what happens when i leave MG and join CoF with a char? i have CoF on lvl 10 on 2 other chars

mossy delta
#

you lose all favour in all factions

charred oracle
#

and then stuns

hoary bridge
charred oracle
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i mean if you're having fun then go for it but you get 1 shot by a majority of monsters and it wouldnt even be viable against bosses

hoary bridge
#

How much health gets 1-shot?

charred oracle
#

well i stable 11k ward on base and 15-20k ward through maps (excluding outliners) and still get one shot by bosses

#

mobs not so much but the stun time makes it very dangerous

#

not so sure about life but i would asume it would be the same, excluding stuff like block with cradle of the erased

untold sigil
#

i mean wouldnt life be worse in every single situation since stacking it to 20k isnt possible?

charred oracle
#

in solo play yes i would assume so

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but in group play you can just be with a pala and stablize well aboive 60k ward

hoary bridge
#

Hmm, looks like I should look for damage while transformed mit, and while channeling mit

untold sigil
#

yea i mean theres solo builds that can go to 60k ward aswell, like frostclaw runemaster

charred oracle
#

dmr would be your best friend but things like lich are extremely buggy making you do only ~30% of your damage. no sure about primalist tho

charred oracle
#

always outliners with ward builds

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bc dumb interactions

untold sigil
#

yea and armor and dodge but thats pretty niche for most classes to get a decent amount of

hard pebble
#

yeah, that % of enemy health as ward on kill is fun

hoary bridge
#

I'm going to be playing that dangerous game, even more, cause I run Death Seal and use it while I'm low 😛

stuck sentinel
#

So im new to this, i got some prophecies for soulfire bastion, can i do the objective on any tier? The prophecies dont say a tier level

modest rain
#

Can Arena 3 prophecy be done in Arena 4 ?

hard pebble
#

I think most prophecies are minimum level arent they?

#

don't think i've seen one one that needs to be done at a specific level, just higher than [x]

modest rain
#

k ty

fluid pebble
#

do the prophecies that guarantee 1LP mean it will always be locked in as 1LP or +1LP to whatever the drop rolls?

untold sigil
#

1lp

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well at least 1lp

#

can be more

fluid pebble
#

ok so it just adds +1lp to whatever the drop is (like 2LP drop becomes 3LP)? Thanks!

charred oracle
#

what

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how did you get that information from what he said

fluid pebble
#

because he said it can be more?

hasty anvil
#

It guarantees 1LP, but all other tiers of LP have same rates.

fluid pebble
#

ohhhhh, ok ok

abstract gale
#

Im unsure what basetype exalted i need to use for exsanguinous LP it says Noble Rainment is only for uniques anyone here knows?

mossy delta
#

subtype does not matter.

#

the base is just body armor

abstract gale
#

Oeh i though you needed the correct base

mossy delta
#

yeah. the base is body armor. sub type is noble rainment.

abstract gale
#

thanks ❤️

untold sigil
#

the base only matters if you use raw exalted gear and no unique because they have different implicits

mossy delta
# hasty anvil It guarantees 1LP, but all other tiers of LP have same rates.

Same rates isn't confirmed since we have no clue how their LP calculation works.

How I personally imagine it working is to get 2 LP, 1 LP has to succeed. To get 3 LP, 1 and 2 LP have to succeed. If it did work like this, then guaranteeing 1 LP does improve odds of 2LP +. The reason I think it works like this is because it makes the astronomically low percentages make sense. You don't have to actually store a low value with this method. For example, if all tiers of LP were 1/6 chance then 4 LP would be 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6. which is 1 in 1,296.

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It would also make the cost of the prophecy make more sense.

weak jacinth
#

Anyone almost to boss in stolen lance timeline?

charred oracle
mossy delta
charred oracle
#

end of the day its all back end stuff we have no knowledge about

mossy delta
#

Normally I wouldn't care how LP works, but I think it's important to know in this case because of the prophecy that gives 1 minimum LP

charred oracle
#

true it is really important to know that

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otherwise 60k favor for 1lp is insane

fringe steeple
#

was there some sort of reset on prophecies?

hoary bridge
#

How LP works is pretty cool. I love that we can do unique crafting

mossy delta
# fringe steeple was there some sort of reset on prophecies?

nope, but what you said could be taken many ways. The prophecies that are in the telescope still? Those reset after a period of time. Your prophecies on your character? Those are character specific and aren't shared with all your characters. They also are removed if you switch factions on that character.

fringe steeple
#

all the ones on my character from yesterday are now gone

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ok, so i logged out and back in, and they're back, that was weird

mossy delta
#

Works 60% of the time all the time.

elder torrent
#

time to spend 50k favor

#

we going shopping bros !

#

uWu

copper bay
#

hello where can I find diamond matrons in the campaign?

mossy delta
copper bay
#

thanks handsome

elder torrent
#

around majais whatever lagon temple afterwards

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my 2nd name is captain obvious btw

#

oah 2lp kemodo maxroll cage , thank you rngesus

cyan coral
#

can you drop the dragon heart from prophecies or its only boss drop ?

elder torrent
#

bossdrops remain bossdrops only

cyan coral
#

Thank you

bitter dawn
#

what if CoF sells a Rune at level 5+ that increases forging potential (maybe 1~10) of an item? (can only be applied once per item)

#

also a Rune that re-rolls the legendary potential of an item without modifying the probability rate

#

I just think there needs to be a CoF shop that can directly affect the quality of items that you currently have

#

so that the quality of your gear makes progression outside of pure RNG

dry bluff
#

dont ask for buffs here people will attack you

hoary bridge
#

Despite being unable to see his health bar cause of a bug, I have murdered the eff out of God Hunter for the first time and look forward to farming him in the future for many an item.

#

Got two LP1's from him, too. So that's nice. Apogee of Frozen Light and Eye of Reen

dry bluff
elder torrent
#

just play more

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:d

#

am very high IQ btw

hoary bridge
#

I find it rad that I also got a set Sword and that the sword gives me a stack called Deicide >:^D

#

HELL YEAH! Slapped aside an Exile and got Merophage! GOAL!!!!

elder torrent
#

wish i was in honeymoon like you

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enjoy it

hoary bridge
#

I'm not even in corruption yet, still wee baby lvl 69. Which means, I've used all my luck up and will join the ranks of Unlucky Fool with Domnu

violet heath
#

I love dying right when I complete 3 prophecies 😭

elder torrent
worthy axle
#

What's the best affix combo for merophage? Got mine the other day

elder torrent
#

id go with attackspeed and basecrit melee

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or flat dmg anything

#

t7 each

violet heath
#

It was a blood spire

worthy axle
#

Cool thanks. If i shatter two attack speed am I guaranteed to give it to mero or will some other random affix from those weapons go to it

violet heath
#

Pain

elder torrent
worthy axle
#

what is lping

elder torrent
#

so a 2-3lp mero plus t7 absorb can be nasty

#

its legendary potential

worthy axle
#

Ah

elder torrent
#

merophage has it as a gimmick for free

worthy axle
#

Aw crap i think my LP is hella low. That varies right?

elder torrent
#

but its the endgame casino of this game

#

look at it like enhancing an item permanently , check G ingame guide on legendary potential explains it all

worthy axle
#

tyty

hoary bridge
#

Welp, time to modify my loot filter to find all two-handed swords I can use for Merophage 😛

nocturne dune
next cape
#

Merophage also cannot have Legendary Potential more importantly.

elder torrent
nocturne dune
#

you WILL have to hide ALL two handed swords after you have your mero setup though

#

cannot risk accidentally bricking it because of a shatter

cosmic nova
#

so for prophecies that say for example "monolith 14 corruption" does that mean the corruption of said stage must be 14, like it can't be higher than that? cuz I'm already at the stage of starting empowered monoliths

cursive eagle
#

its a minimum

plucky slate
#

Algun latino aqui?

fathom hemlock
#

are greater lens global or just per constellation station?

fathom hemlock
feral delta
#

if I have an unique that is level requirement 5 is there any reason why I would want to run TS tier 4? like do higher tiers prioritize exalted affix more or something?

cosmic nova
ripe skiff
#

Doesn’t matter what tier it is, same random chance

thorny ridge
#

So I noticed on my weapon it shows the circle of fortune icon and says 'rank 2' what exactly is that?

arctic vigil
#

you need to be rank 2 cof or higher to equip because it dropped due to a cof buff

thorny ridge
#

Ahh I see, that explains why the one I just got doesn't have that then

hazy cape
#

anyone running explosive ballista there? mind post your build planner pls, I need a guide to follow

arctic forge
hazy cape
brave terrace
#

Quick Q - Does it matter if I buy the prophecies before rank 10 or do the rewards just suddenly start getting duplicated even if i have a bunch of prophecies banked?

next cape
topaz basin
#

Question, does anyone know what the droprate is like getting a cradle of the erased from the weavers will armor node propehcies? somone mentioned it was 1/4 i just wanna confirm that cause ive gotten like 100 WW items and not 1 cradle.. lol

#

idk if it got patched or changed, but i guess it makes sense since it's a shield, and not armor?

#

but i see lots of people saying to go to WW armor nodes specifically to farm cradles

abstract bluff
#

Prophecies dropping wrong items is a known bug right? E.G. take prophecy for chest and get a few belts out of it instead?

next cape
#

There's Unique Body Armor prophecy and Unique Armor Prophecy make sure you aren't clicking the latter as you can get anything that is classified as an Armor.

queen harness
#

I have a feeling they are buffing CoF for target farming or something bc MG is just too easy to gear up with after gold farming a bit

lone shard
#

Kinda dumb that all my leveling uniques were from cof so my new char can't use them...

thorny ridge
#

you can join COF on your alt at the first town.. 😛

lone shard
#

Oh really? Lol I'm dumb

lost sedge
hoary bridge
#

Sweet, got my first WW item and it gave me abilities that work perfectly for my build

vernal hill
#

any gold farming guides for cof players?

onyx gate
#

Go monoliths, kill stuff, repeat

hoary bridge
#

POG Welp, that's a Marina's Lost Soul get

queen harness
#

Does CoF not apply to boss loot table?

#

Like the prophecies

#

Like if I stack unique and 2h axe lens will apathy’s maw drop chance increase or just the mono item nodes?

lunar escarp
#

World drops

fierce horizon
#

I tried farming cradles on warlock and never got any I'm convinced they're class drop locked

#

when I started playing my falconer I've seen dozens

queen harness
noble wedge
#

cof will never be on the level of mg

#

dont know why people are surprised

vernal hill
#

Yeah seems like mg is much better than cof, I’m always getting trash loots from prophecies

pastel fern
#

anybody know what im supposed to do with the uniques that arent for my build or even class

#

because i have 2 tabs full of em and i dont know what to do with them

fringe dome
floral timber
#

which telescope to use to find off hand catalysts for my acolyte?

sick ocean
#

save 1-2 of each, or vendor them for gold. 😄 you never know when something might turn out usefull in a build @pastel fern @fringe dome
i have 11 tabs of uniques (altho i sort mine by type(s) 😄

fringe dome
sick ocean
#

if your only playing 1 char and dont plan on other classes you can safely vendor most tho.

#

like if nothing has LP il keep 1-2 but once you upgrade to 1+LP or more you just toss out the non LP etc. at least what i do. (Weapons for example (1handers) you can keep 2 off for dual wield classes (nice for leveling to)

floral timber
#

help 😦

fringe dome
floral timber
#

thanks

fringe dome
fringe dome
sick ocean
#

it can be, altho its a 1 in 4 gamble to get the stat you want on something 😄

#

so make sure the exalted (purple) item is 2+ good stats you actualy want if you gonna craft with 1 lp

#

to minimize the risk of not hitting something you can benefit from

fringe dome
sick ocean
#

no has to be 4

fringe dome
sick ocean
#

your welcome ^.^

#

ingame guide is also great for alot of things @fringe dome press G ingame and it has a huge list of things 😉

muted willow
#

After 20 annoying T4 Julra runs still no Vessel of Strife. Fortune does not favour me today. If anyone wants to join me in EUW - i'll gift you all non-Vessel uniques that drop if you gift me a Vessel if it drops for you.

noble wedge
hazy cape
keen tangle
stable fog
#

Can Frostbite Shackles gloves be obtained through prophecy other than from bosses?

dapper magnet
rugged maple
autumn hinge
#

best advice for farming an Eye of Reen?

merry oracle
#

I ran prolly 40 t4 julras and still no luck

hollow tartan
#

Anyone recommend a low effort build that doesn’t need much equipment to get going so I can farm COF for future builds?

merry oracle
#

Is cof favor boosted by corruption?

hollow tartan
merry oracle
#

Marvellous

#

Getting to 10 is long way

silent grotto
#

yup. got one char at 100, 2nd on 80 and i still need 90% to hit 10 lvl of CoF, even though im doing plenty of prophecies

leaden igloo
#

350 hour not a single item with 3or4 LP on my build this insanely low drop rate

mint axle
stable hamlet
#

I enjoy CoF cause I dont have that nagging in the back of my head, telling me that I am just behind all the botters/rmt/steir farm builds

elder torrent
#

offtopic question because general has 5min freeze , anyone else cannot see the chat

echo horizon
#

yeah..so after trying for the whole day... its impossible to scale DA with cold..

mossy delta
frail hare
#

people that dont understand that, wouldnt make enough gold/favour to buy anything high end on the AH anyway.

sleek parrot
#

I’ve hit a few and it was for stuff I will never use wish I could sell it to mg

mild jetty
#

Next cycle im going MG
CoF doesnt feell ike target farming when I have to disable arena, quests and then I still dont get higher boss drop chances 🤔

mossy delta
#

👏

autumn hinge
#

Guys, need to ask a question about the Unique 1h Axe "Undisputed" - there's one affix on it that says "5% phys damage for each recent melee hit against a bleeding enemy (up to 255%)". Is that affix reflected in the damage tooltip for your skills?
i feel like it isn't and the game is giving me bad numbers

sturdy pond
#

skill damage calc is a lie

livid spruce
elder torrent
#

if you betray us and the sacred trust of CoF and migrate to MG consider yourself EXILED

#

big pouty anime face . jpg

autumn hinge
livid spruce
#

You can compare changes by damaging the dummies in the arena town area, or you can calculate it outright (some things are quicker to calculate than others)

autumn hinge
chilly ginkgo
#

How much hours should u normally be at rank 10? Im like 120 hours in and still only rank 7. Feels im doin it wrong lol

unreal nest
autumn hinge
#

can I oinly use the Eternity Cache once per dungeon run?

placid bluff
autumn hinge
#

uggggh

#

ty mate

placid bluff
foggy lake
#

I am doing CoF wrong? Reached rank 8, so all exalted bonuses are active. And yet yesterday I was playing for something like 6 hours straight running empowered monos, tier 4 arenas. And despite all of the dropped exalted all of them were unusable.

jolly spire
#

it makes more stuff exalted
it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be the affixes you want

foggy lake
#

The only option I have is ramping corruption up and hoping for more drops?

jolly spire
#

yep

autumn geyser
#

is anyone else having issues with prophecies? i bought one with 6 body armors on shade of orobyss kill and it's not dropping anything, but progressing the prophecy

past grove
foggy lake
foggy lake
#

Got at least one good piece of gear with chaos route

autumn geyser
foggy lake
reef radish
#

can i get unique with more than 1 lp, if i choose prophecies with 1 lp?

jolly spire
autumn geyser
autumn geyser
foggy lake
foggy lake
reef radish
#

@foggy lakety

crystal sigil
#

Still questionably useful consider how expensive the lp1 prophecies are and how relatively common lp1 is anyway.

foggy lake
#

🤔

noble wedge
#

anyone here wanna come run 4 shades of orobys 200-400 corruption

#

i need dat omnis

crystal sigil
#

The prophecy making it +1 lp would be a nice change though.

deft crag
chilly ginkgo
unreal nest
noble wedge
#

same goes for any other item in the game

#

so you have more rolls per instance

weary tendon
#

Short question. Does high corruption just increase the amount of items you get, or does it also increase the chance to drop extremly rare items?

deft crag
#

Pretty sure both

lone coral
#

can someone tell me what is condiered boss in monoliths because the actual bosses
dont trigger the boss prophecies, only the pillars on fall of the outcast
wich its awful because if you kill one pillar and then you die to the actual boss you loose evrything

unique tendon
#

@lethal jolt not really. But for dungeons you can right click on the key to open the location on the map. For campaign events like the majasa one.. idk I guess just google. I usually just don't do campaign prophecies

lethal jolt
unique tendon
#

👍

nova charm
#

If I want more prophecies to get scythes, that falls under two handed axes yes?

vocal folio
#

is favor gains static or does it increase with corruption, exp, etc?

vague shard
#

Increases same scale as XP I believe

#

so yes, higher corruption = more favor

lucid pawn
#

sick of bugged prophecies... i have, Death of rare enemies x 7. in monolith as condition, ANY mono. not triggering

quiet epoch
#

Safe to assume gold blessing > unique drop rate? (maybe even for MG)

untold sigil
#

xp blessing = more favor
unique blessing = why when you are cof
gold blessing = only when u want to gold sink in lightless?

hoary bridge
#

So, though this is prob a question more for the devs, why the disparity between CoF and MG?

mild jetty
#

Anyone here that is rank 10 and feels satisfied?

untold sigil
mild jetty
#

I am very close to being rank 10 but I consider switching to MG

hoary bridge
#

Based on conversations in here.

mild jetty
untold sigil
#

MG will always win in terms of gearing

#

but it depends on if enough ppl are playing and supplying market

cursive drum
#

rank10 is kinda meh tbh. yes if you are lucky and get an insane drop you get it x2 but it's not a double roll drop its an exact copy of what you got

untold sigil
jolly spruce
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2x arena key drops are kinda goated

untold sigil
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the items are going for millions

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so have fun getting gold

cursive drum
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why do you want arena keys? Not worthy anything atm

mild jetty
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I mean CoF would be less of a pain if I wouldn't need those 2 first lenses to skip arena and campaign quests

jolly spruce
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To do the arena ; (

mild jetty
untold sigil
mild jetty
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or if CoF helped increasing the boss drop rates a bit

jolly spruce
untold sigil
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ye

jolly spruce
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Are those the “memory” keys?

untold sigil
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lenses

jolly spruce
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Ohhh

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Meh I was just happy I got a double key drop guyshh

untold sigil
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i meant @mild jetty not you

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the lenses for blocking certain types are cool but with the double 2x lenses you just get way more

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you just have to reroll more often

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which is not that bad since its 320 favor

mild jetty
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hm, I guess Ill stick with CoF for 1.0 because I dont know how much longer i am even playing 1.0

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but either that buff up Cof for 1.1 or Ill just join mg 🤷‍♂️

untold sigil
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the idea of ssf is not that it can compete with mg

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its just a different playstyle

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bc u can never beat the drops of 40k ppl

hoary bridge
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I just realized I have a 2LP dagger in my stash. Eyes glazed over it last night, I thing, too tired.

jolly trail
mild jetty
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Hm, it would probably be less pain, if you could order those prophecies somehow

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Like I kinda lost track

jolly trail
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I run both extra bonus lenses and arena. 1 unique is roughly 160 favor at r10 using rune of ac

untold sigil
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only thing missing is boss drops in cof

jolly trail
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Also the rare are a cheap source of exalted as long as it doesn't drop a specific item you don't need. Eg low level boots

hoary bridge
jolly trail
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Yeah I really hope they buff them. The timeline drops aren't much better

slow yew
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I think instead of "drop rate" based modifiers with ranks and such CoF should offer crafting modifier....like chance for exalts to roll with higher FP....or ability to craft past T5, etc

untold sigil
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higher fp only on tagged items so mg doesnt come over and gets us nerfed again

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lmao

slow yew
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yeah

jolly trail
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The rank 1 not buffing boss drops is baffling. If that were multiplicative with your cor bonus it would be pretty nice

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I wonder how it works with the drops in monolith. Hopefully it does stack like that. Your bonus would be much higher than a mg in coop

mossy delta
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Boss drops are echo rewards, not drops. So rank 5 affects it instead.

hoary bridge
jolly trail
mossy delta
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I don't know what you're asking. normal echoes? yes. Bosses themselves also have normal drops. But the special uniques they drop are not drops, but an echo reward. This is why doing the infinite boss glitch will only give you boss rewards a single time, but the boss will still have normal drops other than its unique. Those normal drops are affected by rank 1 CoF

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Though to clarify, this has not been confirmed. I personally do get all of the possible unique boss drops from a single kill occasionally and this never happened before 1.0.

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This is what I'm basing it on.

placid nova
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Isn't this a little bit unfair that Merchant's Guild allow you to buy rare uniques like heart of uhkeiros where CoF gives you 0 bonus to actually get these?

mossy delta
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No.

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It's not.

neat ember
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Pros n cons of all things

placid nova
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Ye but it's rare uniqs you cannot obtain other way

mossy delta
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They aren't that rare

placid nova
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and in MG you can buy them on lvl 3

mossy delta
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you are putting too much stock behind a keyword

neat ember
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One pro one con it is what it is

mossy delta
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base drop rate is 10%. at 500% rarity it's 32% drop rate.

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Those are the only 2 data points we have.

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But even 10% means it's not a real rare drop.

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Also MG and CoF aren't balanced against each other. CoF isn't supposed to be competitive against MG. It's simply suppose to make the game fun while playinig ssf. Which it succeeds at.

placid nova
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of course but I am not talking about it the drop chance but that MG allows you to buy something that supposed to be obtained only from boss. You can't even trade this with friend if you find it in group

mossy delta
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you can trade it with a friend

placid nova
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I found rare unique and it says Cannot be traded

mossy delta
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Because it's not called trading. it's called gifting

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you can't "trade" any item. The trade system requires an exchange of gold and uses MG favour.

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Item gifting uses none of that.

shy glacier
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indeed

placid nova
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I see, thanks for the explanation. It confuses me sometimes

shy glacier
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The only restriction is you have to play together in the same zone to be able to gift something, or have a resonance drop and gift something later with it.

hoary bridge
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CoF feels most useful when trying to do your own thing, rather than following a late end-game guide, tbqh.

brittle portal
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true cof just isn’t that optimal imo

hoary bridge
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Cause in that case MG is always going to be able to get the key items, for a gold price. But if you have no idea what you're looking for yet CoF gives good results for anything

placid nova
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Or if you are going to play multiple characters at once then you can benefit from it by a lot

brittle portal
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I have no idea how I’m ever getting my tier 7 +4 level of healing hands so imma switch

shy glacier
placid nova
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but here is the thing I had no idea, there are such rare uniques that suddenly cannot be obtained any other way like from the boss or simply MG 😓

hoary bridge
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Am playing on SAF so CoF is the only choice, but that's my choice and I'm all in for it.

shy glacier
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SAme, as in i love CoF way more.

placid nova
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I respect that, I just did almost 200 echoes farming dead dragon to get item and got frustrated at RNG god

hoary bridge
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Magic Find has always been the best part of ARPGs, CoF is a dream come true

next cape
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CoF isn't balanced against MG and it's impossible to be. You as a single player cannot out grind 100s of thousands of people the sooner you accept that the better. Does there need to be some change to prophecy structure and CoF regardless? Absolutely, but the sooner you accept it's wasted effort to try and balance the two against each other the better you'll be tbh.

placid nova
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I don't wanna be a whiner but I wanted to ask about other opinion as I started playing the game at the season launch so I may not know everything.

mossy delta
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MG is just good for uniques. It's pretty bad for exalted items in comparison to CoF

brittle portal
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fr? I don’t think is that likely even with the T7 drop chance boosted

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brittle portal
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is one specific Tier 7 skill level exalted, which you can’t target farm that well, I guess you could target helmet

hoary bridge
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It's just nice having a crafting system that isn't 100 layers deep from the same number of seasons and never really combined in to one solid matrix of things to do. glares at PoE

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CoF making exalted farm easier for said crafting is rad

mossy delta
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spamming exalted relic prophecies, I've had no issue getting the T6/7 skill mods I needed.

supple halo
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sorry for the noob question but can you stack the same greater lenses? like 90% for double rewards *2 ?

brittle portal
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for real? how does that work, skills are more likely to be on relics?

mossy delta
next cape
mossy delta
next cape
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No skills are spread across Body Armor, Helmet and Relic is just depends on what you're looking for skill wise

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It's just numbers

brittle portal
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ok thanks guess I need to spam helmet prophecy

supple halo
# mossy delta no

ok and 1 more thing., do the high corruption or high dungeon requirements in prophecies give you better loot?

next cape
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Level of Skill are usually Very Rare so they have higher reroll odds than flat stats for example

mossy delta
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So you can do the campaign prophecies for fast ones

next cape
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So when you say "Damn this is hard to find" well yes, you are 100% correct

mossy delta
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Healing hands is only a helmet it looks like

brittle portal
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yea it is, I think I’ll give it a try tmr, if I still get fcked by rng I think I’ll switch

mossy delta
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Are you rank 10 CoF?

next cape
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Legit just use the two lenses they're 100% worth the value

supple halo
next cape
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The doubles Prophecy Rewards, and doubles Prophecy use are the legit best lens you can use tbh

mossy delta
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yeah. Always have to have those 2. Only 1 flex

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either block or specializing

brittle portal
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9 I think, but atm I’m not focused on prophecies that much, I’m farming orobyss for shattered chains and prophecies on the side for eye of reen

next cape
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Blockers are a waste tbh reroll price versus EV of blockers is neglible

brittle portal
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I’ve not gotten a single drop of either lmao

mossy delta
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I'd not touch propehcies until you have enough favor to get to rank 10 all in one go

next cape
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If reroll price was like 3x or 4x blockers would be worth. But otherwise the 2 lens and what you want to target are absolutely best EV

brittle portal
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so the drops double? but aren’t double drops duplicated so is the same item?

mossy delta
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Well it depends. Like I'm farming helms and gloves at the same time. going either or already improves my odds. So I just block arena

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I refuse to do arena

brittle portal
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I see it can be good if you miss slams

next cape
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So the lens that doubles drop doesn't duplicate it straight up doubles the drops

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Rank 10 is duplication

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The lens instead makes you go from say 1 rune if creation to 2

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Or from 6 one handed axes to 12

mossy delta
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rank 10 is nice for slams yeah. Basically finding 1 base for slamming means you found 4. (rune of creation both).

next cape
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Which is why combined with the minimal price increase it's so efficient

brittle portal
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also is it possible to get boss uniques from rune of ascendency?

mossy delta
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no

next cape
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Then the double use lens is again insane because some prophecies go from 1 use to 2 which is fine but it can take a 3 use to 6 use

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I'd highly advise anyone struggling with target farming use those two lens

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You're scamming yourself if you aren't tbh

mossy delta
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I prefer the 1 use to 2 use lol. I hate seeing 3 to 6 when it's something like Shade

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Takes too long

supple halo
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are the legendary potential prophecies way overpriced or am I missing something?

next cape
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Yes they are a scam

mossy delta
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Depends. We don't know how LP works right now. But right now they are considered a scam.

brittle portal
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hm I guess I’ll try tmr, I rly thought I would be switching but maybe I just wasn’t playing right

mossy delta
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But if LP works like I theorize then they are better than expected.

next cape
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My best piece of advice is to not use a bunch of blockers, use the increase drop lens, and then the lens for whatever you're target farming

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After that you just gotta pray to RNG for the actual drop lol

brittle portal
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advice taken, maybe I do this for helmets and I can actually get tier6 + healing hands

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also not COF related but since someone mentioned drop rate, anyone know if shattered chains is meant to be super rare?

next cape
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Just gotta get lucky haha

brittle portal
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ye cof is a little too rng based

next cape
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Yeah I mean if the grind isn't for you tbh MG is also an option

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Just buy what you need and you'll be good.

brittle portal
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I mean I’m definitely fine with grinding, is just that with rng you never know when you gonna get it in COF

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but with MG even if is super pricey, at least is there for you to grab after you got the gold

next cape
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Ain't nothing wrong with it I'm saying it's inherently easier to buy the thing you want in MG for more generic drops

brittle portal
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yea true, I’ll try to target farm helmet tmr and see the drop rates of skill level exalted, if is still bad I think I’ll switch

next cape
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Like I'm not stupid I know the inherent benefits to MG and trade, I just don't personally care and am not interested in trade myself lol.

brittle portal
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honestly me neither, if cof has a boss unique drop rate modifier , even a small one it would be dope

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maybe some sort of affix target farming as well but that sounds broken

floral timber
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If I have a character in cof at rank 7 and I make an alt but join the merchants, at what rank will that character be?

next cape
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MG rank 1

floral timber
# next cape MG rank 1

Thank you. If I switch over with my main guy though I'll keep the rank I am at but lose all unused favor, correct?

mossy delta
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yep. lose any prophecies on that character as well.

floral timber
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I don't plan on switching. Too excited to see all those drops on the floor 🙂

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Just asking

vast dome
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So its possible if i create right now a new char to just choose to be MG and grind the merchant to 10 and so next char i do i can be like lvl 10 on both ?

floral timber
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If the second one joins the same faction yes

jolly trail
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I think the axe and belt are both around 10%

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Someone recorded about 400 runs and wrote down their drop rates

livid spruce
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It's not a totally static drop rate... distance of the Shade from the web center has a big effect on the drop rate.

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So unless this person recorded that for each drop, I don't imagine the data is super useful

charred oracle
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just lost 600k favor because i forgot switching to MG makes you lose all favor 🥲

livid spruce
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Ouch

lost sedge
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The price of betrayal.

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urban isle
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apogee sword drop rate is dookie for me

hoary bridge
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2LP Firestarter's Torch get

crystal sigil
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From my understand and reports I have seen. It can roll 2-4 lp but it doesn't help the odds of that at all, just guaranteed a 1 instead of a 0. Given the price of the prophecy it's questionable at best since 1lp isn't really rare.

sturdy wasp
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Anyone down to help me farm reign of winter in winter timeline?

jolly trail
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For how expensive they are I am skeptical. I think the biggest bang for your buck is going to be rune of ascendance at r10.

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If you could get all the probabilities into Excel you might be able to figure it out.

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I use both increases in loot/cost. 1 unique runs around 160 favor

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You will have to take some rare/exalted versions of the item you want to use as fodder

sage hearth
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ima give it to you on the paper, dropping 1LP unique is far more common than no LP on rank 10 CoF, the 1LP prophecies are literally a scam,

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dont even need a math for that

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for common drops anyway,

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since boss loot is not affected and cant be gotten from prophecies, and u dropping something incredibly rare like Ocearon or Red Ring are so low, its simply not worth it

jolly trail
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On paper but no math ok 🤣

sage hearth
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there is nothing to math, just u buying any other unique prohecies u have far better chances of dropping LP items

jolly trail
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That's what I'd guess as well but it's just a guess

sage hearth
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the issue with that prophecy is not even the cost

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but the fact it will be an 1LP item

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if it rolled 1 OR higher, it might be worth it

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but it will just give u 1LP

wide sandal
jolly trail
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Someone just a few comments ago claims it can. That doesn't mean it gets any extra bonus of being higher

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Would have to be datamined or samples to really say

sage hearth
wide sandal
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It's 1lp or higher with no increase in odds

sage hearth
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yeah so back to the point of it being not worth it over just normal prophecies

jovial belfry
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Quick question; does the Rank perk from CoF that gives 45% chance of refund on Rune of Ascendance only work on TAGGED CoF items?

wide sandal
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It's bad

jolly trail
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I don't think anyone has been saying that. Just that no one's actually provided any real proof.

lucid pawn
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ok WTF man... Prophecy states. kill 6 Void horrors within any monolith. so i go to the event nodes that reveal echoe items and kill a bunch,, nothin happens

wide sandal
sage hearth
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as i learned myself

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probably just bugged

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but yeah u need to go into monolith that can spawn them in normal echoes

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black sun is the easiest

foggy hull
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Is there anyway to filter for COF items that I'm not seeing?

lucid pawn
jolly trail
foggy hull
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Oof. That's a bit annoying lmao.

sage hearth
jolly trail
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Proph are guaranteed to have cof req. I use those as fodder for ascendance

sage hearth
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^

limpid idol
#

prophecies work lol, just got a pair of lp4 daggers

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lucid pawn
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Prophies keep giving me crap rolled wheel of torment staffs

zinc python
#

Does anybody know if I switch from MG to CoF with one of my alts, do I lose my faction point on my main char?

feral nebula
#

can someone take me to circles of fortune

onyx escarp
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Anyone know if I slam an exalted that's CoF but the base unique is not CoF, will the new legendary require CoF to use?

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idle creek
foggy hull
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I'm more interested in loot filtering. I've got a bunch of Ascendancy runes I want to roll on helmets, would much rather try to double dip with COF items.

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But man is it a pain looking at every helmet drop to see if it's COF or not.

hushed granite
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Is there anything going over rarity/value of runes/keys? Not sure what to pick for rune of discovery/refinement/ascendance/removal, 6 arena keys since everything is going to be rerolled for prophecies

marble merlin
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well im upset, 200k worth of rep for a whole lotta nothin

celest swift
#

Can items made with rune of creation proc LP?

next cape
sharp kayak
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does the tier 10 CoF rank rewards apply to existing prophecies or only to prophecies bought after hitting rank 10

lost sedge
sharp kayak
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thank you

lucid pawn
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Sigh... i think ill go MG next cycle.. so many prophecies.. so much junk and 0 LP uniques

stable hamlet
#

all my unique drops have been at a minumum of 1 LP after that one rank

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granted, there is a TON of junk

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the target farming is nice, but it needs more advantages to compete with MG.

lucid pawn
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Im closebto rank 8. Man its a grind. Im almost 97

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I keep finding barbute helms and mad ladles with 0-1 LP never 2..

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And the twisted heart i got with 1LP on it took the ONLY bad stat on my exalted i was slamming into it... lol rng is fun

hoary bridge
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Just play SSF or SAF, no need for MG when it cripples the game for you :3

civic zephyr
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I think CoF 10 should unlock a consumable that adds a single LP to an item, once per item - keeps 4 LP as cap still. Might balance it out with how stupid MG has gotten.

lucid pawn
onyx escarp
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Too big of a buff, I think all they need to do is make rank 9 a 25% chance of uniques having an additional 1LP kind of like rank 8 rare to exalted chance instead of the useless set item perk

civic zephyr
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I'm holding out on sets becoming useful. I'm assuming they'll eventually let sets have LP

lucid pawn
civic zephyr
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I also can only assume MG is going to get messed with some - its kind of a horrible system that's created mass inflation and helped the RMT system.

onyx escarp
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Just turn traitor and join the dark side that is MG

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Then you can have all your desired items for no effort

hoary bridge
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Except, from what I hear, mastery specific niche T7 affixes 😛

civic zephyr
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I like CoF drastically more, it just needs a small bit of love in terms of making our drops drastically more consistent/better than MG.

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But part of that's also just random bugs with prophecies etc.

onyx escarp
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I don't expect CoF to ever be better than MG. I just want it so we can at least sort of compete

lost sedge
#

SSF is never going to compete with 100k players farming items for you.

onyx escarp
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I love the loot explosions which is why I've stuck around even though I know MG has it better

lost sedge
#

Not without being stupidly over powered

hoary bridge
#

RNG giveth and RNG taketh away

civic zephyr
#

I'd personally remove the gold portion from MG and turn it into a pure item for item old school D2 trade. But that's mostly because the current incarnation of MG incentivizes RMT for lazy people.

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I personally don't like currency being tradeable in any game because of it

onyx escarp
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Bringing in item v item trades won't solve anything. It'd just help a certain type of site that already exists for d2 trades

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That's the biggest problem with any relatively unrestricted trade system, no matter what you do, you can't take away the rmt market

civic zephyr
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You could make the favor/standing the currency for sale. That'd probably do it,

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But then they'd RMT the favor.

hoary bridge
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The best anti-RMT I've seen has been Eve Online's system. Every bot or spammer that gets blocked and reported by someone in chat gets an auto-ban. It didn't solve every RMT scam, but it cut down on them hugely

arctic vigil
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<@&1161418687471956101>

jaunty yew
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this link is in every channel that anyone can post in

umbral quiver
#

i've been farming omnis at 500+ corruption, why it still doesnt drop

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on website shows that uncommon drop..

noble wedge