💰┃merchants-guild

[tame thicket]

Yes true I play on a handheld pc with controller basically so annoying to nav the bazaar but yea I hear u

[sullen valve]

They are the most important for most people, so that's a good thing. At this point, I'd be surprised if more than 10% of players actually reached R9+

[tame thicket]

What is R9

[tacit verge]

rank 9

[calm gyro]

Do we already know what and how they willl fix the Market search ? 🙂

[peak depot]

No info on the UI work yet, afaik

[scenic pier]

you'll have a UI but no market to use it on

[sullen valve]

Drama queen detected.

Lots of FG minions players. BiS ring, +2 skill and flat +crit. Pretty much build defining. Having two of those vs none is a pretty big deal.

[gaunt maple]

u right tho, MG season dying fast and will prob take a hit next weak when people switch to PoE league

[stoic frigate]

So i had an idea for MG that would toss the idea of gold out for the player traded items. Was thinking instead of gold change it to Merchant Seals. We could use favor and seals to buy and trade between players. you can use gold to buy seals (i.e. 1 seal per 50k or 100k gold). you could also use seals at the main merchant to buy special gamble items that rotates. I.E. gamble for a unique that has 1-4 LP on it. Exalted item with T7 mods. This way you'd still have a gold sink but also it wouldnt gate player traded items behind gold prices thatis just bananas. Would also give some interesting fun randomness like COF with their prophecies.

[hallow orchid]

What madness is that

[fervent schooner]

Why not just use gold to directly gamble a unique? Obfuscating currency is just another way to take advantage of people who aren’t familiar.

[hallow orchid]

Someone here understand how to claim season 1 unsold items back to legacy?

[hushed rover]

tbh lightless arbor does become a decent gold sink when gold this inflated, it just needs more variety/better buffs

right now its easiest to just flood market with exalted helms but relic/armor/rings/uniques/etc crazy expensive

[lethal sonnet]

eterra boots with added 23% move speed worth a penny ?

[hollow sand]

Man

A quick server roll back woulda saved the season

Even if it is after the first weekend of the season. Woulda saved the longevity

[strange whale]

Agreed. That might have also indicate how the devs would handle the same in the future, and would have given us hope and stability. Guess the trade off would be worse for them, seeing PoE and D4 updates are in the horizon, but still.

[coarse veldt]

Yep they rewarded the dupers basically 🙂

[still flower]

they could. but what if the origins of the dupe is unable to be fixed?

[modest wyvern]

anyone got a 4 LP Titan´s Heart for sale?

[compact patio]

They already left and are preparing strats

[topaz kestrel]

Well losing more than 50% players in 6 day after gold dupe was funny buy yet not respond ftom them

[whole garden]

#news message

[topaz kestrel]

I know about it but what they said ? We fix bug and do nothig else xdd

[whole garden]

what do you expect? they also said they took action against the exploiters . you expect a rollback now or something?

[topaz kestrel]

Well market is destroyed right now i cant change factions because of market items and cant buy anythong becase of prices ? So how is that fair for players ? Because they banned exploiters it dont change anything.

[sullen valve]

Why do people keep thinking the gold dupe is the main reason why the the game lost half its concurent players. There are bigger issues with the game than that, there were also a few big games coming out and it's summer.

[topaz kestrel]

Because in 1 day they lost 16k players and it was after gold bug

[sullen valve]

I wouldn't give you the responsability of any obverstationnal scientific study with that level of reasoning.

[topaz kestrel]

Well if you have checked steam charts 11 july 54k players , 12 july 52k players , 13 july 54k players, 14 july 53.7k players (gold bug), 15 july 38 .7 players i know you know better than everybody

[whole garden]

Yeti your right the gold dupe lost them some players but don't keep hanging in the past. you can make damn sure they are working their hardest to make sure such exploits won't happen again. Look forward not back. PoE didn't even had these high numbers of players in the early days and look where that game is now so there is plenty of hope for this game yet

play and enjoy or leave and come back a later league. Keep talking about player numbers now won't solve anything.

[sullen valve]

I'm very well aware of the charts, thank you.

Did you take into account the main confounder variable in your analysis ?

[topaz kestrel]

Well i wanted to play but dev wrong decisions and doing almost nothing discourage me to play.

[whole garden]

they fixed the bug they banned the exploiters.. what more you want. you want them to give you 9999999999 gold so you can play? there is no easy fix for it and you know it.

[topaz kestrel]

Its second time gold bug ..... they dindt fix market so mg is quite pointless

[sullen valve]

And most players weren't even affected. The inflated prices were mostly, if not nearly all at R9+ which only has a tiny fraction of the MG players

[sacred grail]

Hi im trying to find some good MG lootfilter for this patch. Im MG newbie (i mainly play CoF but wanted to try MG). I cant buy anything cause gold duping get prices insanely high and i dont know what is worth to sell for what amount. I just need good LF that help me to see

[topaz kestrel]

Just dont play mg simple solution :p

[narrow mulch]

look in sanctum discord

[sacred grail]

dont have that one

[sacred grail]

can u link it??

[sullen valve]

We can't, it's rejected. The complete name is "The Sanctum Market"

[sacred grail]

I did found only one expirated invite so im at start where i have nothing. Can u send it to me by PM????

[light ice]

how much does 28% hp exsanguinous goes for?

[sullen valve]

We should really better promote the Light Arbor dungeon farm so people understand how to work around the inflation at R9+.

You can probably make 50-100M gold an hour with the current market situation.

[lusty raven]

I need to know how lol, I have things for 3-5mil sell but no idea how to get enough coin to buy a 120m item

[sullen valve]

You run ligh arbor dungeon on T4 then at the end, you pick duplocate/triplicate chest, along with more items modifiers corresponding to the item type you are targeting and picked early on (exalted, helmets, rings, idols, whatever)

Your goal is to x6 (duplicate + triplicate mod) a single chest with the item type you want

Best case you can get 2-3 times the exact same item worth millions, and if you rolled high LP or stats... congrats, after selling you can now buy that 150M LP2 sword

Obviously, that requires having a couple millions to invest in the chests and the ability to clear T4 arbor. But if you can't, then you have no business buying rare LP2+ uniques yet anyway

[spring haven]

is there a lightless arbor roll for Rings specifically? or is it the "additional exalted items" which gives rings?

[compact brook]

just noticed player to player trading has been disabled, what happened this time? gold duping again?

[gaunt maple]

Indeed sir!

[compact brook]

https://tenor.com/view/hopeless-disappointed-ryan-reynolds-facepalm-embarrassed-gif-14455315

[gaunt maple]

Indeed sir!

Market is also still busted as a result depending on how you look at it

[lusty raven]

Ty

[astral estuary]

Due to the inflated prices, someone here might know: is there still an issue with going above 2.147b gold? https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/the-gold-coin-limit-issue-leads-to-extremely-poor-game-experience-online-game/61664

[vestal sonnet]

I saw someone on the chat suggesting getting MG to rank 4 to buy the idols for the build and then switch to CoF, Idols doesn't have the requirement of being on the faction to be able to be equiped?

[novel geyser]

im pretty sure it does require rank to be equipped

[compact brook]

yup that is still an issue and with gold duping now in 2 cycles they may as well just delete the faction as CoF is now the only real way to play tbh.

[hollow sand]

Rollback shoulda happened earlier. Too late now.

[round wasp]

MG still works it's just a demented and twisted version of what it was promised, the gold buys are keeping the economy afloat by distributing billions of gold to normal players so they can buy things, the issue is that very very few things are actually worth good money so it's even more esoteric and harder to break into for new players

and it's a compounding issue because more and more people will only list the valuable items leading to massive general decay in the quality of stuff available

[sullen valve]

Drama queen detected.

[sullen valve]

Just not enough people running light arbor. If nearly everyone did that, the market prices for some items would drop much faster. Instead, we have only a handful people doing it and amassing hundreds of millions in a few hours because everyone else is item-starved.

Maybe EHG should post an announcement reminding people this dungeon and its mechanic exist for a reason. Was mostly for CoF to dump gold, but it's also extremely useful in an inflated MG market where what matters is obtaining valuable items and not gold directly.

Even Misha kept saying so multiple times, but almost everyone ignores it

It's like some people here just want to complain about the dupe and spread despair rather than work around it.

[round wasp]

i think the main issue is that price checking and listing stuff is both tedious AND exhausting. there needs to be an incentive to put stuff on the market other than gold , like you actually level your rank faster by making a lot of sales or something. I have no desire at all to list anything under 10m and even less desire to find new things worth that much at this point

listing the stuff out of like, 10 arbor hauls could take as much time as it does to farm the next massive loot drop and is way less fun than playing the game, it's just never going to work out long term

[sullen valve]

Yes, it is the N°1 issue. Interface, search, incentives... The gold dupe is almost anecdotal compared to that.

[hollow plank]

ye I agree, it's annoying af, i'm sitting on 2.1b gold cap, and got hundreds items to sell and it's annoying to check 100 different items for how much it could go, and the biggest problem here is the favor imo, I am constantly on 0 favor because it costs me hundreds of thousands of favor to list stuff

[round wasp]

POE's market survives tons and tons of currency buyers, the dupe is def annoying but not whats making it almost unbearable

[hollow plank]

i mean a lvl 0 4lp bow costs me 30k favor to buy, that is just crazy imo

[sullen valve]

It's just a fact MG was rushed out for 1.0 due to popular demand, but it's really disappointing they did not fix it for 1.1. I mean, it's just barely usable as is, dupe or not.

[hollow sand]

Insane how many non gold duper / non rmters are at gold cap rn

[hollow plank]

probably not that many tbh, but still way more than there should be

[hollow sand]

If they implimented a bracketed gold removal after the dupe it prob woulda helped. Like how taxes are bracketed

[round wasp]

there needs to be a system where the searching system is both improved and also costs gold/favor to use - constantly refreshing the market waiting for a noob or a mistake shouldn't be the optimal way to play MG

[sullen valve]

Definitively part of the trading experience of all good trading systems though

I mean, some people literally prefer sitting at the AH rather than play the game itself. I was like that in a few, generally MMOs.

[round wasp]

yes but that's not healthy for the system and neither is players sitting in hideout trying to do arbitrage

[sullen valve]

I'm still waiting for that MMO Blacksmith class that needs to go out to get materials

And it would be so simple to do. You just give the class a unique skill allowing it to get special mats

Recipes mix standard mats and blacksmith account-bound mats and voilà, you must play the game to craft

[round wasp]

a robust economy where you could develop a relationship w/ a blacksmith to funnel them mats would also be good but might be getting off topic lol

[sullen valve]

Yeah, sorry, I could discuss hours about crafting

[hollow sand]

That just turns into people selling mat / botters.

[sullen valve]

(Albion Online does that fairly well)

[sullen valve]

Not if you can get killed and looted for all your mats hahaha

Gathering classes are fun as well

[round wasp]

radical idea would be allowing a public api tab where you put stuff you want to sell, and people can earn a commission browsing it and listing it for sale - people who want to get to know the market can excel and there's good incentive to make a reasonable price , and people who just want to grind can are not dragging the market down by only subtracting

[sullen valve]

Any market requiring excel sheet to make insane profits is a good market

That's because you need to dedicate yourself to it. Blasters blast. Merchants make money

The best online economies I've seen so far are Albion Online and Eve I think

ARPGs haven't gone too much into it and stay rather standard, but it's OK because the main goal is blasting, not crafting

[novel geyser]

yeah that's more of an MMO thing

[hollow sand]

You can in osrs for wilderness mats and you stil just sell em

No body really does anythung w mats besides craft and sell. Very rarely do people create a relationship w one crafter when u gather mats and they craft.

The closest ive seen is people trading week1 clears of raids for week1 crafted gear in ffxiv

But whenver you have crafting mats and a market, thats where they all go

[sullen valve]

Try Albion Online, you'll see it happen because only a handful of people are maxed in a crafting tree. I'll stop here with the crafting, it's not the goal of the channel.

[vale spindle]

Hey, returning player here. Is the Eco still messed up from gold duping from prior? Or has that been fixed?

I assume so

[bronze igloo]

They had another dupe and merchat's guild is all messed up
Go circle

[vale spindle]

Dang, ty

This was not fixed 5 days ago?

[sullen valve]

No, the dupe consequences are still visible at R9+. However, the other more honest answer to the situationis to play MG if you want with a focus on obtaining items to trade rather than directly farming gold. If you were planing to maximize direct gold farming speed, then no, play CoF.

[gaunt maple]

It's wild to me EHG still hasn't had any follow up comms about the in-game economy since that tepid initial announcemnt about banning gold dupers and "prices stabilizing"

"we hope you forget by next cycle" seems to be the implied message

[round wasp]

I would suspect there's genuinely not any kind of easy universal solution. If we rule out direct malice the only assumption is that it's a complicated problem and a "fix" is likely waiting until they're reasonably sure it won't immediately be upset again. The "we want communication at all times" and "we don't want platitudes" crowds seem to be about the same size and will even overlap in ways that don't entirely make sense so I see the difficulty in trying to make everyone happy

[uneven zinc]

new to trade, are there any sites / tools to assist with price checking in any way?

[low seal]

agreed, hope ill totally forget abt LE

[hollow sand]

The unfortunate side effect of inaction is making both sides unhappy. It's usually better to pick one side.

If they came out and said "we aren't doing a roll back and here's why"

That would atleast appease thoae who agreed with that solution.

As of now, the silence alienates that party too.

[sullen valve]

The sanctum market discord

Baffles me people unhappy with the state of MG implying it's dead with their comments are actually still coming over here just to throw some more useless comments. I don't know anyone who normally hangs around when he/she is "done" with something. Must be an Internet thing only, just like saying you are leaving (who cares?)

[gaunt maple]

Wrongwarp just dropped for me...guess that's my entry into the luxury goods market

[hollow sand]

Hope

It's hope.

Ppl want this game to be great.

They either don't like poe or d4 and this, they hoped, would be that game for them.

But things like this make it so it isn't, but they still hope it will be, so they voice their discontent, with the hope that it will change the game in the future to be the game they hope it woll be

[gaunt maple]

that's why I do it. I think the base game is great and I want it to keep getting better

I totally agree relating to the comms too. I think what I'm most disappointed in is the lack of transparency from EHG...like just say what the deal is, man. Even if it's essentially "we'll do better next season, but we can't make any sweeping changes right now, yada yada", that's at least definitive. The way they're sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring any dialogue with players about this seems beneath them honestly. Like, I thought they were better than this.

like, yeah, you're going to get hella blowback...but in the long run, nobody could accuse them of not being honest and collaborative and I think that's more important than trying to squeeze out like 2% more engagement out of players this cycle

[glass rune]

Yeah, for real. The vast majority of us want this game to be great, so it's upsetting when things like a gold dupe does so much damage that it kills a huge fun factor and motivation for us.

[uneven zinc]

could you provide me a link to join? i cant seem to find it anywhere

[forest knoll]

google it

[runic sonnet]

Any1 able to let me tp to bazaar? IGN project48v

[proud acorn]

So I found a strands of souls.

Why does this sell for millions?

[proud acorn]

I mean just because it's like this now doesn't mean it can't get better though. 🤔 I mean according to you that's what you want isn't it?

Like sometimes it feels like people think these devs are better than God at making games. And are simply choosing to leave it like this.

I know it's a bit more nuanced than that but that's the air these discussions give off.

[glass rune]

I have high doubts that the market is going to magically improve for this cycle.

[proud acorn]

Like any time I come here to discuss something I'm doing in game it's the same conversation over and over and over.

[proud acorn]

shrug
Anyway so why does strands of souls sell for millions?

[glass rune]

I mean, no kidding that the dominant conversation in the MG item faction section would continue to be about the biggest conversation piece? lol

Strands sell becasue the sorc builds use it for ward generation

[proud acorn]

I'm not sure what you mean by no kidding. If it were me I wouldn't be torturing myself the way you people seem to be doing.

God dammit, I keep pushing my cat away from the keyboard but it keeps just leaning against the enter key again.

[deep prawn]

You mean the dupe?

[glass rune]

Yes

[proud acorn]

The dupe was fixed aeons ago.

[deep prawn]

Wild that it happened twice

[proud acorn]

Not that wild.

[deep prawn]

I heard they were even warned the first time around it’s crazy

[proud acorn]

Like, as someone who has some experience fixing bugs that then cause more bugs. This isn't really outside the realm of expectations.

And you know what forget whether or not people are even being reasonable. Turning this channel into a cesspool helps absolutely nobody.

It won't magically make the game better. It won't make you happy either. All it does is bring down the mood for other people who aren't even at fault. I'm not the one who caused any of your grief you know?

[deep prawn]

uh idk man i didn’t really see anyone bringing the mood down, i just think at some point the negative things will be addressed, and then combine that with the large number of users in the forum, and it makes sense it’d be a hot topic

[gaunt maple]

everyone has the right to discuss their experience with the game. And if it ain't all roses, we can discuss those things. If it's bringing down your mood, you have the option to seek solace somewhere else.

Also completely disagree with the notion players shouldn't expect these kinds of bugs to not be present in the game

especially the worst kind of bugs from the perspective of maintaining the fidelity of the economy

It's not on players to be like this super understanding, super forgiving audience in all situations. I realize that there's a lot of parasocial dynamics going on in this particular community since it probably started especially small. I bet probably some people here even know the devs personally or something. That would explain some of the mama bear energy that surfaces when criticism rears its head, but the white knighting does these devs absolutely no favors.

[deep prawn]

I just wanna know how it happened twice haha

[gaunt maple]

these are one of the things players should expect to be explained to them if EHG has an interest in creating confidence in future cycles...

I have a hunch it has something to do with Unity engine and maybe there are some limitations there or something....or maybe...they just f'd up

but yeah...you'd think after the first time and the uproar surrounding it, there would have been EXTRA due dilligence, wouldn't you? That's another one of those perfectly reasonable consumer expectations.

[deep prawn]

haha just kinda makes me ponder is all

[compact patio]

EHG get a lot a slack because it’s and “underdog”. I am one of these people but I am much more critique with every big update.

[opaque glen]

First time playing merchants, is there anyway to filter to show just things I can buy right now?
Eg: enough gold, rank & level ?

[sullen valve]

nope

[fresh plover]

umm wouldnt u want to show things u can sell??? not things u can buy since you cant buy 99% of good items initialy

[opaque glen]

No, I want to see what I can buy

[sullen valve]

you can select an item type and simply arrange from lowest to highest price

[opaque glen]

Scrolling through pages and pages to find a unique u can but at rank 5 is annoying AF

[uneven zinc]

filter the max lp to 0

[sullen valve]

uniques you can limit to max lp0 or maybe lp1 they are cheaper

[uneven zinc]

and set to unique only, wont show legendaries, he cant buy lp uniques currently is the issue i think hes having

[sullen valve]

ya probably

[opaque glen]

Ok LP max 0 is good apart from those that already have an affix slammed

[sullen valve]

select unique in the filter top screen

[uneven zinc]

set the filter to unique only

[opaque glen]

Rank req filter would be nice, or simply a check box for can buy now

[sullen valve]

Unique + LP0 will show exclusively brown LP0 uniques, not legs

[uneven zinc]

they are working on improvements apparently so we'll have to wait and see what all is included with those

[sullen valve]

unfortunately that's going to be too late. I expect a massive loss in players friday

[uneven zinc]

yeah i dont play poe so ill be here haha

[opaque glen]

0 LP uniques sell fast from what I can see. Lower level players snapping them up like me rn

[sullen valve]

I like LE better as well, but PoE has so much content and I'm getting alright at making my own Scion builds

Plus it's melee Heroes of Might and Magic league, can't miss that

[opaque glen]

Ahhh Rarity Unique & LP max 0. Thanks guys

[sullen valve]

👍

[uneven zinc]

happy to help, todays my first day trading as well

sold jungle queens chaps of holding for 10m then managed to buy one back for 0 gold lmaoo

[sullen valve]

Wednesday I was not planing to play PoE at all. Thursday I had to accept it's not a league one can miss.

[uneven zinc]

yeah all my poe friends are crazy hyped

[sullen valve]

If they are melee players, I can see why

they literally patched/fixed nearly everything people have been asking for the last two years

but it's alright. LE will have a free shot for C3 before D4 expansion

[hushed rover]

except expansion coming out in 3 months? right when the cycle should come out

[sullen valve]

8th october for D4

[hushed rover]

cycle probably will take at least 4 months cause EHG super slow, so d4 expansion will already take a bunch of people

[sullen valve]

EHG can certainly target C3 for september

[hushed rover]

EHG has always always been way slower than they announce

[uneven zinc]

i meannnn. i was a d4 apologist and patience preacher but idk how many people are stoked to spend more money on d4 currently. def need to see more info before i commit to spending on the game at this point

[hushed rover]

they took like an entire year off to put in multiplayer and multiplayer still doesn't work well

[sullen valve]

The hype train will convince most people within a week of release, so October is pretty much locked

annnd... wouldn't surprise me if GGG literally targets D4 with PoE2 beta/early access right at the same time

that would be funny as hell and they could probably pull it off

[hushed rover]

nah, they know they're a distant third theres no chance they will try to challenge

cycle 2 was pretty dismal for LE and with mainly a campaign chapter in cycle 3 not looking good https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F36xegk3iemdd1.png%3Fwidth%3D1227%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5e97982ce24f6c9449fd257a213e0b351cad065b

end of league diablo 4 and poe players were several fold higher than cycle launch, already lost 80% players even at launch

[sullen valve]

it's ok, it's summer and a few good free games came out last 2-3 weeks too

[sullen valve]

A lot of players really disliked having to do all emp monos to fight harbingers and honestly it does feel really bad to have a 300+ corr character and being forced to play 30 minutes at 100 for no reason. They'll have to rework that and find a better way. Maybe killing a harbinger for the 125 quest puts all timelines at 125 or something (and each time you validate the quest, everything is pushed to the higher corr)

[fresh plover]

i dont know why people got annoyed, you need to get emp blessings anyways in all timelines, so they arent wasting any time unless they didnt push their first cor to 300+ and left it at like 200

[sullen valve]

That's exactly it. Players are keeping their emp monos at 100, 125, 150 etc. Only experienced players push their first emp mono harbinger to 300+. Even I forgot about it for the first 3 monos because I was just reading the quest for the next harbinger without thinking. And even then, I still felt bored out of my mind having to do that initial push back to 250+ in oneshot from full Gazes. It's just not interesting, can't say it another way and I find my tolerance for pointless grinding to be higher than average.

[strong hare]

I pushed one mono until 500+ before I did the rest of the harbingers.

[round wasp]

it's hard to accurately assess because not being able to see bonus corruption made it so unbelievably frustrating. The despair i felt at landing on 199 corruption instead of 200 is unmatched by a video game lol

[upper knoll]

Hey, is anyone able to DM me a working invite link to the Sanctum Market Discord? All links I have found are expired. Thanks!

[small jay]

Do you haveto do ALL harbringers before pinacle boss?

[split wave]

Yes

[small jay]

Wait whats this about? Pushing seperate ones upto the harbringer quests is a bad idea?

[fresh plover]

literally the worst u cold do

[small jay]

Why? Haveto do a diff harbringer on each quest and on a diff monolith?

[strong hare]

Ding ding

Best to push first mono up to 300+ then just breeze through the rest of em for the harbinger quests

[small jay]

How does this help?

[compact patio]

Game was always about it, pushing one mono to max and then doing the rest using catch up system to farm blessings? For me it’s funny someone don’t like it now. It took me about 40 hours doing it one by one which is unnefficient tactic.

[strong hare]

@small jay what he said

[compact patio]

What?

[small jay]

But whats the 300 corruption about? How does that help you catch up on every other one?

[compact patio]

You have catch up mechanic and you can farm needles and glyph from harbringer fights which is even faster than 1.0

[covert breach]

Which timeline do you guys raise corruption and do your farming in? I can't decide whether Blood/Frost/Death is still the most profitiable

[fresh plover]

ye ngl after seeing devs responses and actions(or absence of those) i wouldnt reccomend anyone to play mg, these 2 cycles economy is beyond stupid

[fervent schooner]

CoF wins again

[compact patio]

It’s faction game is balanced around so yeah

[tranquil relic]

i dunno, with all the inflation due to gold dupe i was still able to casually get about 45mil. which is way more than you need to get some nice equips on some slot and make many many alts

anyways pure gold currency for trading is always bad. we need currency/runes like POE/Diablo

[compact patio]

This! Just gold will always be bad

[split wave]

Just needs something to curb inflation, the arbor isn't good at it. Gold as a currency isn't fundamentally any different from anything else

[novel geyser]

yeah ppl saying like there weren't rune duping in D2 lol
or div duping in POE

It's how much effort devs willing to put in to prevent them, and how they response when it happens that would make or break the economy that matters
not the name of the currency

[compact patio]

Gold as a currency that have zero gold sinks, you don’t use it for always anything other than one dungeon and respecs that cost almost nothing. Now it’s more clear?

[novel geyser]

without the dupe lightless arbor's cost is definitely not nothing

[light ice]

how much does a 29% inc health exsang goes for?

[novel geyser]

not much

[light ice]

sad thought it was worth something

[worldly lynx]

why is stuff so expensive now ? I had bought a Omni at 300k i think like a week back maybe , maybe 8 days now its all in millions! how are people getting so much gold

[placid jungle]

Would somebody be so kind to port me to Bazaar Waypoint real quick? 🙂
IG ClarkGent in EUW! 🙂

[leaden ermine]

Exploit found again

[gaunt maple]

The issue is, there's no longer a real on ramp from early trading items that cost 50-100k to the more "luxury" items. There comes a stage in which you aren't getting upgrades from drops, nor can you incrementally increase your gear from trade and it's very early in the journey now. That is until you hit the one big drop you need to make a splash in the luxury market. I too have hit that point and things feel better now, but there was about a week's worth of playtime for me in which it basically felt like playing without a faction, it was brutal. Before the gold exploit, it was entirely doable to smart trade your way into affording the luxury items and not have to rely on "the big drop".

[sullen valve]

Well, that's one of the points of MG. Whereas you cannot use "the big drop" in your build in CoF, here you can trade/sell it away for "the big drop" you can use, but someone else got.

And you can still build up your way to being rich, just not by farming gold directly. But honestly, if your goal was speed farming gold, then you should play CoF to begin with. You'd very likely get what you want during that same speedfarming time, if not better.

[gaunt maple]

I feel like you didn't digest a word I wrote. The day before the gold exploit, that smooth on ramp existed. Day after, it did not. Period.

[sullen valve]

It does, you just refuse to look for it. Whether that is light arbor farm or using a slightly different item, it's there.

PoE is the same. There is a point you reach where the best items have very exponential increase in prices.

[gaunt maple]

There's a reason why The Sanctum Market abandoned its loot filter project and hasn't picked it back up. You keep mentioning other potential on ramps and I keep having to bring your attention back to the specific one that went away. I'm not interested in your workarounds. I'm specifically talking about state of game before and after exploit.

The prices of items at the top went up by 25-50x over night. Literally. You can keep talking like that doesn't matter but it obviously does affect the way people played the game. Obviously. If we're not even acknowledging the same set of facts here why are we talking?

[sullen valve]

I don't care about the sanctum market. They have the right to do what they want, although I find their stance kinda stupid since they wouldn't even need to keep track of inflated prices, just what's worth more than 100k or not.

To me you all look like crybabies drama queens and I probably look like an old fart who won't buldge on his old ways. So we'll just have to agree to disagree, that's it.

[sullen valve]

We can look at the same set of facts and disagree on its analysis/conclusion. In fact, that's exactly what happened during a far more complicated matter during COVID (or climate change)

I've never said prices did not increase or it did not have an effect. I simply disagree with how much an effect it has, the number of people really affected by it and it's the end of the world.

The big elephant in the room with MG is the interface/search. I don't think many disagree with that. The dupe is just the icing on the cake.

[rugged vector]

nah you aint crazy, this is 100% the case - the ramp got blown up as the entire middle to upper middle class got blown away, and it was just dupers or RMT buyers vs the rest who had to rebuild assets to catch back up. that other guy won't ever agree with you though so no point wasting your time

[sullen valve]

I'm about to stop playing seriously because the game itself has a boredom problem I can't pinpoint. I didn't even bother with Lp2+ rare items for the most part, not because of the price, but because I can't be arsed to continue. And if I stop so soon with what I consider a rather above average tolerance to mindless grinding, I can only suspect people with far less of it are quitting way before they reach R9 and the "luxury" issue.

[sullen valve]

Indeed, we simply do not look at the facts with the same perspectives. They are almost impossible to find a middle ground on.

But hey, that's humanity. If we all agreed the same way on everything, not much would improve. Wouldn't even bet there would be less killings if we all thought the same haha.

[rugged vector]

ya, i mean plenty of people have come in and presented structured arguments on "gold dupe is bad", which is not hard to understand that it is, you just have a different argument altogether of there are other issues that you consider bigger issues. it is what it is

[sullen valve]

Yup.

At least we can find solace knowing the economy is reset every cycle. New World had to make new servers altogether and left the first ones to rot.

At this point, we can almost all agree on one thing. Whether it's the dupe or the overall MG experience, we have no choice but to look forward C3 to fix everything.

And if they still can't manage, well, back to CoF it is.

[rugged vector]

very curious to see how this plays out; given their response not a single rational soul can trust running mg next cycle

prob still do it cause im a market degenerate tho

[sullen valve]

I'm not going to sidestep the game because of MG debacle personally. No matter what PoE or D4 do, I don't think I'll ever like them more than LE. BUT for some reason, I can play PoE for longer without feeling "meh"

[rugged vector]

oh yeah, more of a curiosity of how many people just bite the bullet and go cof

though theres always optimism of "this time will be different" w/ any possible mg issues that come up next season

[sullen valve]

We'll see. I hope they will fix MG because I'm a market degenerate too, but I enjoy making 1-2 builds per season, so CoF it will be worst case.

With that said, I'll try doing that last harb and aberroth at least today.

If I can find the courage, I'll run a couple light arbor and come back here with results

[rugged vector]

might not be today, servers are pretty brutal right now lol

[sullen valve]

Granted Misha already did that far more than I did, so any data from him/her would have way more weight

I probably need to fix defense first anyway. M DW FG/MA warpath seems rather unique, but it's also playing like Elden Ring with no armor.

One wrong move and you are dead, but it's doing a lot of single target damage.

Every ARPG I tell myself I'll play tanks because i don't like dying and I still end up with glass canon.

[gaunt maple]

my understanding about the gold dupe is that, at the time it hit, the majority of players were probably between faction levels 5-7 im MG. This is the time when you're making incremental gear progress via rares, but you could also make 50-100k transactions somewhat regularly. The smart play at that time was totry and build a few million gold so that you could ramp up once additional faction tiers opened to you. What the gold dupe did was destroy that strategy. If you had saved 1-3 mil, that gear you wanted at tier 8/9 was now 25-30 mil instad of 1-3 mil. So, it obviously makes progression feel different and I'm guessing most players who stuck with it experienced long spans of time where it didn't even feel like they had a faction before they hit their first big drop. This is pretty obviously not the experience EHG wanted with MG, but I'm guessing it's the one most people go this season.

[rugged vector]

for sure, i experienced this first hand - blew my first 1m on a daggorath 3, bought a few relic t7 int's to slam for 400k, life was good. save 2-3m for an unstable core or static shell with LP

overnight, daggorath 3's were 80m, t7 int relics went 3.6m then 8m, basic unstable cores now 50m+. and i was top 2k in ladder level of assets who had already saved money and bought a few things, even as prob the sub 10%. most people behind me got obliterated, and many just quit

[gaunt maple]

yeah, people who think that sort of thing is just this mild inconvenience that won't color the experience for the whole season for some people are wild to me

[rugged vector]

i hear you. those of us who stayed could catch up by farming and buying items, but thats me in a position already having hit a few slammed items. the curve just became that much harder for most people, the biggest issue is people feeling like they were stolen from and put below the poverty line overnight

[gaunt maple]

you go from "I am a smart capitalist and it's going to pay off because I make great trades" to "I am now Daniel Plainview digging in the dirt to strike oil"

[rugged vector]

100%. compounded with the response from the devs being essentially 'it is what it is' because they have other bigger issues to fix, it just ends up coloring a ton of peoples experiences. what exactly are they going to think next cycle for mg? not a soul will trust the devs to do anything given the data point on track record

[gaunt maple]

zero chance I play MG next season

fool me once shame on you, twice, shame on me. I'll play MG again after they go a complete cycle with none of this nonsense. I'm done playtesting their game.

[rugged vector]

i prob still will because i love that stuff too much, and also i tend to frontload a lot of time early season which obviously gives you a bit of an advantage in MG.

funny enough, i followed my principle of "spend your money early before things blow up", and still ended up not spending money fast enough because external blow up came on day 4 instead of a few weeks in lol

[gaunt maple]

yeah becuase you'll never no-life it more than the RMTer exploiters in China who do this as an actual job lol

[rugged vector]

that was always the case and i was fine with that. but running away with a gold dupe scott free was on the far, far curve of my expected outcomes

[gaunt maple]

yeah nobody could expect to cash in before that sort of thing happens realisticaly is all I'm saying

[slim summit]

Post-dupe the only way to make money is to be an errand boy for exploiters/RMTers/botters. It's a bit offensive.

It feels much more fair to run maps to sell items to people who are better than I am, instead of running maps to sell items to people who cheated 🙄

[sullen valve]

Still the same process and end goal, but yeah, I can understand how that feels wrong, although it's closer to reality hehe.

[round wasp]

this is literally what it is, but there's also just so many people at this point near gold cap who didn't need to rmt at all. i sold a 2lp null portent for 600m. Even without rmt'ing it still feels bad to buy something for way less than it's actually worth in this economy because someone didn't know any better

[copper haven]

How can I level MG fast, first time doing it on an alt

[coral cove]

get exp by playing in higher and higher corruption. Spend Favor. Technically you could reset certain specific maps for maximum efficiency but overall, just play the game and gain EXP

[tame marsh]

i started the season late so i wasnt able to see prices before the dupe stuff but for ME its not terrible.. Yes everything is inflated but so is everything you sell. I make a TON of gold and my filter is very strict and only play 1 character . Just my experiance for anyone who doesnt live on reddit like myself

[gaunt maple]

uhhh...I don't know what you're selling, but it is NOT true that everything sells at a higher price than pre-exploit. If it's not a top top top item, things still sell for basicaly the same prices

which is part of the problem. if everything inflated by the same amount, nobody would care in the long run

plenty of stuff still trades between 25k and 100k, tho

and it's the same stuff that traded in that range before the exploit

[fresh plover]

oh everyone knows that u can still farm items and sell for more, but it doesnt make situation any better, it didnt prevent dupers and rmt guys from wiping market SEVERAL times, since even after dupe was fixed, gold sellers had quintillion of golds and devs banned only accounts that directly duped not the accounts where money was laundered after

[gaunt maple]

yeeah it's pretty clear what's going on...RMT have functionally infinite gold, they've targeted the most valuable pieces, they buy the whole supply to corner the market and set the price, and turn around and sell gold

[fresh plover]

and tbh the biggest impact is playerbase, people just left cause frankly nobody wants to deal with this bs, sure some people stayed but overall mg experience became way less enjoyable or profitable, less people=less items

[signal leaf]

and alot of the hard Farmers stoped after they killed abba too

nemesis did speed it up abit

[gaunt maple]

I got a 2lp blood of the exile to drop...supposedly will sell for 200mil, but I don't think there are many buyers right now...cycle might be dying

[sullen valve]

should be fine until the 26th

[round wasp]

the mana addict sorcs are still buying stuff

[viral magnet]

anyone has experience with merchants guild on hardcore ? does it exist or totally empty ?

[grand jacinth]

the thing the annoys me the most is not even the dupes; it's the dungeons simply not working more than half of the times since cycle started and no solution whatsoever

[tight nimbus]

from the looks of things.. if im doing my first character for the Cycle i should just go CoF huh

[small jay]

Yes

[strong hare]

MG still screwed?

[icy pilot]

they fixed the dupes, but most ppl are still pricing with "dupe economy" prices

[glass rune]

Yeah, we're down to 15k on a Sunday, it was 25k yesterday and about 60k the weekend prior IIRC. So cycle is dying down for sure

[split wave]

Sounds more like the inflation problem is being dealt with?

[strong hare]

Damn yeah still screwed

[glass rune]

It hasn't really, prices are still into the hundreads of millions for even mediocre items, if they touch a meta build

[icy pilot]

majority of items are fine, but when you get to the most popular stuff the prices are kinda nuts (red rings always gonna be crazily priced)

[fresh plover]

sadly its not, need 95% of people to leave the game to inflation to go down, as it happened in 1.0

[split wave]

Sounds like typical economy stuff
Yeah not surprising for people who amass tons to then be "done" with the cycle soon, handles inflation even if it's not really the best thing overall 😅

[icy pilot]

but we also can't forget the new cycle hype - i only wanted to test play the nemesis mechanic and planned on dropping LE until the next cycle (im waiting for ancient era quests). but then i got hooked back in and i just hit lv93 and im doing a couple hours a day.

there's probably people out there that logged in to play around with new items/nemesis and dipped

[glass rune]

I would not be shocked if we are around 5k players once the POE2 league hits

[fresh plover]

well for me new cycle= new cof char, fooled me twice, not gonna work 3rd time

[glass rune]

I'm not sure what I will go next cycle. The Gold dupe ruined this, but last cycle COF I remember being so frustrated farming dozens and dozens of purple ring prophecies trying to just get the ballista T6/7 and it just not happening forever. Pick one frustration over the other. Also remember there being a single boss drop item I needed for my build, but could not beat the stupid boss regularly, that I could have just bought on MG and been so much happier.

[split wave]

Even with a gold dupe or dead cycle, if all you care about is which has more gearing power, MG wins easily

[fresh plover]

for cof you need to pick a build that u KNOW is possible to drop on cof, so that requires quite deep itemization knowledge

[glass rune]

Yeah, it was the first cycle so of course that wasn't the case

[fresh plover]

surprising not this cycle, at least for sentinels/primalists, when you have 5-12% of playerbase playing your class you start feeling it on the market

[gaunt maple]

....no prices are still insane

[gaunt maple]

this is true, but I don't ONLY care about gearing power, the journey to get there is also important and the gold dupe definitely made that feel worse

[split wave]

Heh fair, I skipped out on MG this cycle to avoid being at the mercy of the market, so I'm not in tune with it atm. I'll probably be back to try it again whenever we get a cycle with no dupe and that improved search functionality they've teased...

[fresh plover]

pretty sure we have more falconers or sorcs than sentinel/primalists combined

[south glen]

does anyone have a mg filter? i understand the perception of a slow/broken market, just trying to filter out trash from my dump tab

[alpine atlas]

what would you list a 20% extra block chance on a cradle of the erased for?

[tranquil orchid]

The market seems super slow now, did the playerbase just take a huge dive? I am going off new items being posted and its slowed down so much the past 3 days. Today was the worst

[tardy blaze]

What is happening with trade? All items are at hundreds of millions lol

[vocal owl]

Yep that's what I care about! But how

[noble hollow]

can i not serach for items in merchants guild if i can't buy them? i found a 3LP item and i go to search the price but says none (of base legendary is available) when i see it in the list. i'm only tier 5 atm. but i should be able to still search for items even if i cant purchase them

i found a work around i guess. i had to filter item base type instead of searching for the actual name

[vocal owl]

It is advisable if I swap faction to MG? Currently rank 8 cof and lv94

[lament pike]

Gold dupe and abusers etc

[lament pike]

Few less players than launch but most stopped playing merchant because of a gold dupe bug that completely ruined the market prices.

[vocal owl]

EHG needs some nobel-winning economist to fix MG lol

[lament pike]

A good start would be make trades server sided so people actually cant cheat and spawn/make gold xd

[vocal owl]

the market will regulate itself

[lament pike]

I doubt. If you watch a video about the chinese community translated. Theyre selling gold for real money at no price because they make the prices.

Its just sad but thats how it is in games sometimes. People cheat

[vocal owl]

So it is not the game but human nature to blame

[lament pike]

I dropped a lp3 jungle clasp when they were 20m next day none ever been on market unless market cap. I have yet to see a singular lp3 obtainable through marketplace at legitimate prices

[lament pike]

Both in this isntance i guess u can say. Ehg didnt really do a good job at fixing what thet supposingly said is fixed. The gold bug alone existed in 1.0

[gaunt maple]

no it won't. no it isn't.

[lament pike]

Yeah its dead, i think the majority has either stopped playing in rage from it or gone to cof

[gaunt maple]

there's still enough people playing to have a market, but the prices are definitely set by Chinese gold farmers now

there's no on ramp to the top of the wealth distribution like before the exploit. you basically play without a faction for a long while until you hit a giant drop and can enter the market again

[hushed rover]

it's dumb, everything decent becomes 1bil and you only have 2bil cap?

and nothing you get except the rare 1bil item gets you any gold worth anything

[vocal owl]

what was the bug exatly?

[gaunt maple]

yeah, the Chinese gold farmers essentially have infinite gold, so they've picked the most sought out items and they'll buy every single instance of it in the store that isn't at the price they want it at

[hushed rover]

basically they buy everything to force prices high so people are forced to RMT to buy anything. or more likely, everyone just quits

[gaunt maple]

for an unknown amount of time, there was a gold dupe exploit that some people used to make quadtrillions of gold

but it's not exactly inflationary gold circulating through the system that would make all prices rise equally. that would be fine...it sits wiht them and the use it to fix prices

they basically want the top items to sell for 10-20 dollars each in real US currency, which is why 1 billion gold sells for 10 dollars right now

[vocal owl]

generated by chatgpt: 1. Immediate Bug Fixing: The first priority should be fixing the bug that allowed players to generate excessive amounts of gold. This prevents further damage to the economy.

2. Rollback or Compensation: Depending on the severity of the issue, a rollback to a stable state before the bug occurred might be necessary. Alternatively, compensating players who were negatively affected by the bug can help mitigate frustration.

3. Item Price Cap or Adjustment: Temporarily implementing a cap on the maximum price items can be listed for on the market can prevent price manipulation. Additionally, adjusting the prices of certain items to reasonable levels can stabilize the market.

4. Monitoring and Enforcement: Increase monitoring of in-game transactions to detect and penalize players engaging in exploitative behavior like price gouging.

5. Communication with Players: Transparently communicate with the player base about the issue, what steps are being taken to resolve it, and any changes they can expect. Engaging with the community through forums, social media, or in-game announcements is crucial.

6. Incentives for Returning Players: Offer incentives such as in-game currency, items, or bonuses to encourage players who left due to the economy issue to return and give the game another chance.

7. Long-Term Economic Design: After stabilizing the immediate situation, evaluate the game's economic systems and consider adjustments to prevent similar issues in the future. This might involve more robust testing procedures for updates and patches that affect the economy.

8. Player Feedback Integration: Gather feedback from the community on proposed changes to ensure they align with player expectations and address underlying concerns.

[gaunt maple]

they've done 1

[hushed rover]

honestly its near insulting to players that MG dupe happened two cycles in a row, 100% failure rate, and EHG does literally nothing and says nothing about it

they had 5 months to come up with a plan with any of the above, but just total silence. and the only way to counteract inflation, arbor gold sink, having ongoing dungeon bug which they also haven't said anything about.

its the weekend and theres only a few hundred people watching LE on twitch. really disappointing they're killing the game because it had so much promise

[fervent schooner]

CoF rules, MG Drools

[deep prawn]

Preach sis

[deep prawn]

Preach sis

[deep prawn]

lol ChatGPT

[runic sonnet]

Man it’s crazy how even with the gold exploit how much easier it is to build a character with MG. I was a CoF enjoyer for a bit but even with targeted prophecies I can’t seem to get drops. MG isn’t too bad unless you’re after meta builds

[carmine bane]

Hello. Quick question since I never tried circle of money. Can I sell an item on the bazaar if it has no cof or circle of money tag? Thanks in advance

[mellow dock]

yes u can if it has no tag but switching will reset ur favor to 0

[carmine bane]

ty for the response and a follow up question if i may
if i create another character and align that one with money guild,then i dont lose favour in cof, but can sell items without tags on the bazaar, right?
here is the link to one of the a couple of items i'm trying to see if they would be sellable
#🔱┃sentinel message

[mellow dock]

i think so yea. hvnt tested it tho

[fresh plover]

if an item was dropped while playing cof it will be not tradable even if it has no tag

[mellow dock]

eeh is that how it works

[fresh plover]

yep all items dropped while being in cof faction has a bottom text "can not be traded" regardless of tag

[mellow dock]

aah right I can see it now

[fresh plover]

so he wont be able to sell anything if he makes an mg char

[mellow dock]

shouldve just tagd it for cof then lol

[fresh plover]

ye tag applies only when it was affected by rank bonuses

[mellow dock]

the one he linkd doesnt have the cannot be traded text below

think its a nemesis drop so he can sell it when hes alt is on mg

[carmine bane]

but is has no "cannot be sold" text anywhere on the items

[fresh plover]

then you dropped them before joining cof so can sell

[mellow dock]

nemesis drops dont have the restrictions of cof. some of my exalted doesnt have the cannot be traded and am sure those were from nemesis

[fresh plover]

wait really? lmfao thats funny if its true, definetly an oversite on ehg side, but then again they seriously nerfed nemesis for cof folks cause nothing applies to it, while in mg u can sell those items

[mellow dock]

cant test it personally since i switchd to saf cof when the exploit happend

[fresh plover]

why not if you are cof saf just find any nemesis, if in item selection there is no can not be traded text then its true

[mellow dock]

i mean to test it and post it on mg but heres a drop from nemesis just a while ago

#👑┃item-showcase message

[carmine bane]

Also No. Droped at level 90

Also have some boss uniques without a cannot be sold tag ( like 2lp heart of ulceros) even tho I was in cof the entire time and it has no cof tag

[wet raft]

Tbh I think it gets applied when you equip the item

And items from cof will be likely equipped and that's from where it comes ( you don't collect items not for your build beside uniques)

And probably this 2lp heart dropped without CoF bonuses (no additional bonuses were applied, I don't remember which levels were increasing chance for lp)

Because majority of my idols, even without a cof tags were untradable

So prolly just a matter of equipping it, tbh not liking this idea of character binding

[wooden halo]

game dead, devs dont care

[wet raft]

Stopped playing after interaction with mg

[wooden halo]

yeah one day community menager said theyre collecting ideas from community, and 5 days later some1 from team replied they stopped doing it and dont care

they reasoned "xxx milion for 2lp sword might be reasonable price" sure

[wet raft]

Am afraid of engine limitation

[wooden halo]

but not in 10 day of league

[wet raft]

With each and each patch, performance is getting worse, unity is crap

[proud acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480944488999813130/1264910006436761734/image.png?ex=669f96be&is=669e453e&hm=b3a9ba08369d4cb135a30092fc15223bf4940c2dbb94a4e4d77d3f12f8e9c846&

I just got this from an ascendance.

[dire hemlock]

Anyone sitting on a nice Mg filter? Swapping from cof because I never get anything there anyway

[proud acorn]

Sadly I'm just kinda winging it. And most people here hate MG lol.

I just look at every T7, every double exalt, and every unique, and put them into a big tab, then check em at the market.

And then I found a red ring which will probably sell for hundreds of millions.

[weary pond]

is it possible to search the market for items only with sealed affixes?

[proud acorn]

Notyet

[gaunt maple]

Manock don't sleep on T6 daggers with attack speed or any T6 Int rings. Amulets with T6 channel damage... And a bunch of T6 armor skill affixes... You'll be leaving hundreds of millions on the ground if you do

[tiny spire]

are healing effectiveness idols selling as well this cycle as they did last cycle?

[proud acorn]

I legit appreciate the pointer.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480944488999813130/1264960730067898471/image.png?ex=669fc5fb&is=669e747b&hm=e084a2d10f9f07de4de0d2d8983a9d5c2c9c6e1c6c3e71a60a36ecca50c8da35&
This is pretty pog.

I won't have money troubles for a while haha.

This means I should be buying more phantom grips to gambla on.

I've not rolled a second good one yet.

Honestly even the first one isn't good lol.

[gaunt maple]

hah. it's possible to blow all that with like two purchases, but yeah it's a nice little stash lol

I pretty much have completed the end game build for my Warlock...anything beyond what I have is super aspirational gambling ish

generating 4,000 ward passively, I've seen it a lot higher during fights...but pretty tanky

[proud acorn]

Congratulations man. I know we have our differences, but I'm glad you're still able to have fun.

Unlike most uniques, where 2LP ones sell for peanuts, it seems chase uniques like phantom grip cost a fortune at 2LP.

For now I'll just buy 0LP phantom grips and toss them at nemeses.

[gaunt maple]

yeah, the chase unique LPs are insane. my second big drop that broke me into the luxury market was a 2LP Blood of the Exile....sold for 250,000,000

there are exalted ivory int rings that sell for moe than that though if they're well rolled

if you can get a double t6/7 on an ivory ring and hit both Int and either Necro res or Necro damage...pretty sure you could sell it passed the gold cap on a third party market

[alpine atlas]

they I mean things are all messed up right now just from lower level merchants and gold dupe, lps are cheaper than normal unless they are meta items and those are inflated

it wouldnt be worth more on a third party market if a third party market wasnt involved messing things up in the first place 🤷‍♂️

[gaunt maple]

oh for sure

market is still f'd. I ignore the fact dudes in China are setting the prices right now

[alpine atlas]

I like the game but thats pretty amateurish to be letting gold sellers set your econ

but im trapped with MG because I like bees and good luck getting those idols without it

its just annoying shopping and seeing thing that are alright be millions

[south glen]

Yeah I got pretty bummed. State of mg is not great

I have a ton of stuff I would like to pricecheck so I can learn about what sells and what doesn't. However, the only way to pricecheck appears to be manually searching every item's meaningful affixes. No way to check the roll on a unique. No API endpoints to allow community developers to solve some of these problems for EHG.

There is just an enormous knowledge gap and no resources to help close it. It's very overwhelming.

[gaunt maple]

honestly, the best way to learn what sells is to check out the builds on top of the meta and understand how they work

if you do nothing else, understand how each scales defense

[nocturne prairie]

Mike is not part of the team that does the information gathering which is where I believe this misunderstanding has come from.

In the early days, given the large community response, all team members were looking at and discussing the feedback an ideas. This led to several conversations happening at once with no real central point for all of that information. The decision was made to let the community team do what we do best and listen, gather all the data already discussed and keep logging everything that came in so the other teams could focus on their work and all conversations could be directed to one location with all the information.

This included ideas from players and how many times each one had been raised, feedback, the main points of frustration and ideas from the EHG team as well. Then a larger discussion would be arranged to go over this information with the relevant teams to discuss the following;

• How often was an idea raised?
• Is the idea feasible?
• How difficult would the idea be to implement?
• How much impact would the idea have?

We are still listening, we are still gathering ideas and we do want to answer this for the community as soon as we have an answer for everyone.

[gaunt maple]

for example, once you understand that Tempest Warlock uses a helm that makes Necrotic resistance be their main means of scaling defense because it's their primary way of stacking ward, it becomes intuitive why they want int rings with necrotic res on it, both generate ward for them.

similarly, there are mana-stacking builds that scale defense by converting damage to health to damage to mana, etc.

everyone is trying to get deep into monos and you can't do that without defense

understanding how each meta build scales into the end game is the best way to construct a loot filter imo

another thing people sometimes miss is that certain builds are looking for an exact implicit for their exalteds as a base...like anything else will just not do, so identifying which implicit bases are super vaulable and why also helps with loot filtering

[vocal owl]

MG still worth getting into right now? I pretty much only make meta builds, and people are saying despite all the drama MG is still faster for gearing than COF.

[alpine atlas]

depends on what you mean on gearing

its near impossible to kit yourself out in anything meta right now with because of gold cap and dupe inflation

its either very easy to get like 0 gold

or over 900000

for just like meta junk but junk

I like MG because it lets me theory craft a bunch of different items but when they are overpriced its not worth it

[vocal owl]

So basically not worth it since I play meta builds only

[tacit verge]

idk, i'm playing a meta build....was easy to get all the base items 0lp, start blasting...got some lucky drops, got enough gold that the only thing holding back from buying stuff is rank

[alpine atlas]

0 lp is more expensive for some meta items because of the early access to them

[hollow sand]

What price is a 0lp non-nemesis wrongwarp?

[alpine atlas]

5.4 mil

[tacit verge]

5 mil...but is that the only item you can use?

i used exalted for a bit to get to rank 5

[alpine atlas]

then you bought one for 5 million?

[tacit verge]

I got some drops that sold forlike, 350 mil, 250 mil, 800 mil

some t6 affixes in demand, a 2lp death rattle with decent rolls, some t7 affixes

[hollow sand]

Without it mapping is 2x as slow. It's the sole source of 90% of your movespeed

[tacit verge]

welp, idk..i'm playing, killing stuff, dying to stuff, not fully online....only rank 9, but..cof would've been slower i think

[hollow sand]

How much is a t6 static orb helmet or t6 mana chest

[tacit verge]

if you wanna be fully online with like 0 day investment, idk if you can do that with any meta build in cof or MG

[hollow sand]

Cof is def slower

But 0 day investment is a bit hyperbole

[tacit verge]

a bit 🙂

I would say get some starter gear, blast some monos, get some lucky drops (idols, t6/t7 affixes), you'll have enough for when you need the wrongwarp? idk, that's what happened to me but I may be an outlier

[hollow sand]

Honestly the market would be fine if nemesis items didn't req rank9

[alpine atlas]

yee

anything not meta 0 lp free then expensive then free again

its funky

[nocturne prairie]

Genuine question - What rank do you feel would be better?

[dusk pivot]

Just check steam charts and see LE lost like 50% of player base around 25k players since the dupe hit MG and no rollback cause don't want to disturb their precious COF folks. Not sure why this size of impact didn't make them act faster but remember New World is a similar game that died to dupes.

[hollow sand]

Ohh a question from a mod, made my day ☺️

As a normally casual player that took time off to play as much as I could over the first weekend of the season, so prob like 20 hours from release to end of sunday, I was able to get to rank 7 MG barely at the end.

So maybe 6 or 7? Considering end of that weekend is the last chance to really hook people and a doable amount of time for people to enter the market of buying nemesis items that are flooding the market, and could be a great way to access usually hard to get items via nemesis. (And start feeling like I can sell my nemesis items)

[fallen gale]

"operation failed"
too much gold owned to redeem listing
-- I can not take gold for things were bought from me! Wtf?!

[dreamy dagger]

wats the most profitable farming route for MG?

[bronze glacier]

Time to buy some max rolled T7 slammers first

[vocal owl]

I mean, is MG really as bad as it sounds right now?

[bronze glacier]

Depends If ike Florenta here you got a few meta T7 or high LP drops to sell or not

My mate has fallen headfirst into 3b worth of drops and I've got... 42m

[fallen gale]

I have a lot t7 things with mana...

[proud acorn]

It's because of nemeses.

[proud acorn]

Sounds like it's helping you avoid losing gold by preventing you from overcapping?

Genuine question mark btw.

[proud acorn]

It really, really depends. I'm having a good time with it, but my experience is not everyone's experience.

[compact brook]

also because sanctum is borked, so the only way to get slams properly atm is nemesis which can only be used with 0lp. Think if sanctum was working properly we would see more price variation.

[vocal owl]

I am currently lv94 on my sorc (hottest meta build) and rank 8 in COF. I want to get into MG. Not sure if I can make the transition if at all.

[proud acorn]

If you're in one faction, changing to the other is painful. Because you have to start from square one.

I mean you'll blast through the first few ranks without issue, but it still feels bad.

Also I think one of the reasons I'm doing very well is because I made sure to choose a build that's very gear independent.

[vocal owl]

I mean, I dont mind grinding. But switching from COF to MG, meaning I will start with 1 million gold in my pocket.

[proud acorn]

Only a million? Even if the market weren't borked that isn't much.

Decent non meta items go for 200k a pop.

Decent meta items go for millions.

[vocal owl]

Meaning I will have to start by selling a bunch of things to build up my gold reserve before buying

[proud acorn]

Remember you can't sell tagged items.

Be they CoF tagged or MG tagged.

Untagged items only.

[gaunt maple]

it is and is not faster, really depends what part of the journey you are on. what is more true is, even with the market in the shape it's it, BiS gear is still more achieavable in MG no matter how it might feel getting there right now for individuals

[proud acorn]

I mean MG just has the advantage of not being limited to your own loot pool, but having access to the loot of many people.

[gaunt maple]

yeah, with that said, I genuinely feel like there as a long stretch this cycle, days in fact, in which absolutely nothing dropped that triggered a dopamine response lol...I stuck with it because I'm a glutton for punishment, but it was brutal during the phase before you're able to push higher corruption and therefore start getting more regular big drops

[proud acorn]

Idk what corruption is even high.

Like my goal is just to beat Abberoth.

[gaunt maple]

so even around 300 is high enough to noticeably increase the frequency of drops that you can sell for big bucks

[proud acorn]

And how hard is it to be at 300? I have no idea what the upper limit of my current gear is. And my highest c right now is 152.

[strong hare]

I say 500+

[gaunt maple]

for a non S-tier build it can be difficult for some people without great gear tbh. one of the reasons I swapped to Torment Warlock is the off meta build I started with became essentially impossible to scale as a starter with the market being in the shape it's in

[proud acorn]

The main reason I chose my current build is because it has a very easy floor, gear wise.

[gaunt maple]

yeah...Torment Warlock slaps even with mediocre gear and then it just gets ridiculous with good gear

and despite everyone pretty much competing with you for goods, it's still the right call to play an overpowered build in this market

[strong hare]

Try zhp ballista falconer. It’s very strong with mediocre gear

[proud acorn]

I think if my DoT build can also be transitioned to a hit build if I hit a ceiling.

But the hit version of this build is much more gear dependent, so that's why.

[vocal owl]

I have gotten into the point where I need 2-3 LP items and exalted for slamming. I play meta builds pretty much exclusively. MG still better?

[dark trellis]

do you think there are enough people playing cycle Hardcore MG to make it worthwhile or should i just go CoF?

[proud acorn]

Short term probably not, long term probably.

[proud acorn]

I have this feeling that hardcore players are more naturally drawn to CoF. But the easy way to find out is to just join MG and look at the prices for some popular items. If you don't like it just swap immediately.

[dark trellis]

yeah good point, but its not so much about the prices *which are important ofc) but more about the quantity of items listed (aka population).

[shut kelp]

If I switch from cof to mg on my alt; does it have access to my favour? Or is this resource character specific?

[round wasp]

favour is stash wide, you will wipe it for all characters if you leave a faction also

[lunar ibex]

First time going MG. Are there any generalized loot filters for good gear to sell? Have been rocking the raxx filters for cof so I don't really know where to start

[red wing]

Do items really sell for millions of gold?

[fervent schooner]

CoF wins again

[sullen valve]

CoF was always better for min/max at corr 500+

if nobody knows your offmeta build needs X/Y double T7, you ain't finding it on the market

[rare sun]

im seeling 3 lp jungle queen belt for 1.5b in market

[vocal owl]

I was gonna ask, since I’m above that corruption and getting into farming 2-3 LP items

[hollow sand]

Sold a t6 mana exalt for 500million

[small jay]

there are ZERO 1LP or above Vaoions Chariot boots. wtf

[silver ingot]

nobody wants to do arena

its an arena drop

[small jay]

Why not?

[proud acorn]

You can see that too.

[small jay]

Well i got a 2LP morta grasp gloves for like 8 mil. They were up around 40+ a week ago. Wiffed the slam. So got a 0LP pair and egged em. Bam w LP slammed with 16% life > ward

[livid cape]

Anyone else getting tired of pricing an item to then see 15/22 pages of 0g listings?

[small jay]

Because like most games only the meta build items with lp actually sell

I got an offmeta 3lp wheel of torment for 200,000 gold but a meta wrongwarp is a tonn more

[sullen valve]

Yeah, amongst other things. Like I kept saying for days, the dupe is almost inconsequential. MG is just terrible as a whole. It's a barebone skeleton of what it could be combined with a lot of frustration and total lack of items to choose from.

[livid cape]

Yeah I can agree with that, I have only really started the game this cycle, more education on what sells would help but I feel like there could be a better way to identify whether or not this is going to sell, like a "Sold recently" filter or something

[pulsar dragon]

Whats the best monolith to push if you want to make gold?

[fresh plover]

none, lightless arbor is way better than any monos

[gaunt maple]

because it's a trash game mode and doing anything else in the game rewards the time investment better?

[gaunt maple]

best thing you can do, honestly, is learn how the top meta builds scale into the end game.

if you really want to maximize your ability to trade effectively

[tranquil relic]

market is just nuts. sold a 4% Health & 33% Dual Lightning Crit chance primalist idol for 95.5mil

[dreamy dagger]

idk what u talking about. Made 1 billion from abroth

[fresh plover]

and you can make 2-4 bil per hour in LA 🙂

[dim beacon]

I just used a rune of ascendance on an ring and was lucky. What is a red ring actually worth ? No LP and low-middle roll. Yeah insaw 800m but are people actual paying this amount

[fresh plover]

yes they do

[dim beacon]

Uff

Would love to have a le app to see if something was sold 😂

[dim beacon]

Because of bug or grind ?

[fresh plover]

grind, all bugs were allegedly fixed

[dim beacon]

Ok thank you only good in t4 ? Or also lower ones ?

[dim beacon]

Not strong enough yet

[fresh plover]

t3 or t4

[dim beacon]

Ok thank you

[fresh plover]

you need to play rogue or mage tho and know how to setup chests

[dim beacon]

Im on a acid flask rogue rn, setup no idea 😅

And why one of these two ?

[rugged vector]

they're the most played classes so you want your drops to come from those two

[strong hare]

Mg still no good? Did they do anything about it yet?

other than ban dupers did they fix the market

[nocturne prairie]

I'll take this idea to the team, no promises, though it's definitely worth bringing up 😊

[dim beacon]

Watched a video. Duplicate triple etc the chests ?

[dim beacon]

Idols actuallz expensive ?

[fresh plover]

Overall people should reach max rank around the time they start pushing corruption, it doesnt make sense that people farm endgame and cant fully trade or not have full cof bonuses, a lot of people feel bad that they farm monos and just cant buy upgrades because rank isnt there, and we already have so many people quitting/making alt before even getting to 100+ corruption

[nocturne prairie]

Do you mean Uniques with LP?

[nocturne prairie]

I'll add that to the internal post 🙂

[fresh plover]

[dim beacon]

Im still lvl 8 and already grinded a lot of monos is there any faster way ?

[fresh plover]

get to 300-400+ corruption

[dim beacon]

Oh damn ok i have a runmaster FC lv 90 build but i think i will stop and finisxh my acid flask rogue. Anyone here who can recommend the acid flask rogue ?

[spice grove]

Is there anybody that wants to trade 0 gold items until we reach rank 12?

[fresh plover]

do u have infinite favor or smth? trade is like 30% of your reputation progress at most

and you dont need anyone to convert favor to rep, you can just list/delist same item and get reputation

[split wave]

You can also just buy junk MG bases from the faction vendor

[fresh plover]

or and thats the smartest option: save favor and just farm content, spend it only on listing items and buying upgrades

[spice grove]

didn't know about the 30%, thought it was higher than that. Well I guess that idea goes down the drain

thanks!

[fresh plover]

yep xp is the main thing that grinds your rank, not bazar

[spice grove]

I guess the tooltip was a little bit misleading. "A small amount of Rep is gained while slaying enemies". Seemed more logical to just trade back and forth with somebody but the 30% is too low of a return to bother with it

[fresh plover]

you cant trade back in forth cause the amount of favor you have is miserable even on high corruption

its so bad that on this cycle start i had to literally stash several tabs of exalted items cause i had no favor to sell them and i was farming 600 cor on day 2-3 or so

idk why they make game deliberately tedious and unfun with favor but it is what it is ig

[split wave]

Yeah, I mean technically if you actually use all your favor, using the favor accounts for exactly half of your reputation gains. In MG, it's a little harder to actually spend it all on useful stuff (though it is possible).

[fresh plover]

maybe its radical take but the cost of listing items should be cut 5 or 10 times

like sure if ehg wants us to suffer keep the favor cost of lp and legendary items to 12-40k but at least let us list items for almost free

[spice grove]

maybe it's deliberately harder to balance out with cof?

[fresh plover]

cof has literally same issue but even worse

especially after this patch, people complain that they push high corruption and sit with 60k favor/h only to afford 1-2 prophecies(im exxagarating but close to that)

[sullen valve]

That's if you don't keep getting disconnected in there...

[fresh plover]

true and real

[proud acorn]

Funny you mention that.

[fresh plover]

ooh #news

[proud acorn]

They just pushed out a hotfix that supposedly fixes (some of) that.

[sullen valve]

5 disconnects in a row, this is just rididuclous.

finally

I'm starting to wonder if running T3 arbor over T4 is pretty much almost the same money wise

[leaden ermine]

Hi just got to mg, first time long break, is there any way to filter or sort uniques by values of rolls?? Like +2 vs +3 to skills and filter out the 2s

[sullen valve]

nope

[bronze glacier]

sort by price high to low 😄

read and weep

[hollow sand]

Preferably just uniques that have been modified by nemesis to have extra stats; but I assume they are in the same category in the code, so my proposed solution was taking into account that it would also lower the threshhold that someone can buy a unique that's been smashed inside temporal sanctun, and the issue that can happen when this is very easy to obtain regarding banning market bots (but I think the reward outweights the risk)

I didn't mention uniques with LP that haven't been smahed, as I didn't assume they were in the same category, but I can see that they might be aswell

[frozen rune]

Well, you do gain a SMALL amount of rep while slaying an enemy. But you slay a lot of them. So, technically they're not lying

[hollow tusk]

is there a tool or list of valuable uniques i should keeping an eye out for? checking pricing in game is a bit clunky, and seems to require too much moving around UI

[covert breach]

arreatsummit.gg has a list of uniques with what LP they start becoming valuable

[fervent schooner]

is it hard to get 2 well rolled red rings with t7 on them? im CoF and just got them

[past path]

incredibly

[leaden ermine]

WOW the arreat summit!!! I used to look up runewords and weapon bases on there!!! Glad they’re still kickin

[sullen valve]

they are better off pushing it back to mid-cycle patch or next cycle at this point. PoE boaters will be there at least 3 weeks. And I'd rather have them do it well on the first try

[fierce obsidian]

Why bother? Go to The gamble npc at the market and buy items, you get rep when you spend favor.

Spend 40k favor at Gamble NPC = 40k Rep

Never understood why so many people list items for 0 gold when they can just do that.

[craggy dagger]

So I've played some CoF and found it really good for farming cool stuff thanks to prophecies, but MG just opens up more items to buy as you rank up (makes it suck less). Given there was a gold exploit and the natural inflation of markets over time, do you guys feel it's worth starting MG this late in cycle?

[leaden ermine]

I was lvl 30 this morning, unlocked mg and now I’m almost rank 8 before I went to work

I think it’s pretty nice to buy 0 lp items and put them in the egg

[merry tiger]

no

[ruby grotto]

what does an orians eye cost?=

[static spade]

So, sumin up, wich is the best way to lvl up REALLY fast in MG??? 🤔

[frozen rune]

High corruption, builds that are fast in echos, targeting books, spending all the favor in the vendor in the middle, that one woman

[sullen valve]

That's true. MG has a much faster ramp up experience. However, once you reach the realm of double T7 and LP2+ legendaries, either they are super expensive for meta builds or they don't even exist for offmeta builds.

I'd say it all depends on your build, what you want to accomplish and the time you have. If you are targeting to farm 1000 corr for weeks, CoF is vastly superior, especially on a non-meta build

[tame thicket]

What’s a good item type to use rune of ascendence on for MG? Just something I may need? What if I’m shooting for value. I don’t know which uniques are worth much or if anyone has done research already on what’s the best bang for buck when ascending.

[sullen valve]

Common wisdom is that you can never go wrong with rings. The logic is simple. There are two ring slots, so more demand and less offer while at the same time having some very valuable Uniques.

[tame thicket]

That would make sense thanks, I’ve just never thought about it until now and have 70 lol

[sullen valve]

Reminds me I forgot to use mine as well.

[tame thicket]

Can use on any ring right? Nothing effects the outcome

[sullen valve]

Correct.

Should be written on the rune description even

[tame thicket]

Okay this should be nice and depressing lol 😂

[ionic forum]

any way to sell a 5%+29 health idol without it getting lost in the unsearchable idol section?

[tacit verge]

look close to the end, it's a VERY high roll one, so close to max price

[ionic forum]

eh and people have 1.5B to spend??

[tacit verge]

maybe sell for less? just search from the end for the right price, but yes, people have 1.5b 🤷‍♂️

[ionic forum]

that's the problem - if listed for 700m then it gets lost in 28 pages

[tacit verge]

maybe within the last 3 pages is better, whatever the price range there is, maybe even the last 2 pages?

[ionic forum]

yeah 3 pages going to around 1B... ok thanks let me try

[proud acorn]

So are there any market people in here who can tell me.

#👑┃item-showcase message

Does this really sell for hundreds of millions?

There's so few of these on the market and the ones that are there are just insanely expensive.

I'm not sure how much to ask for this. It's definitely better than literally any of the ones listed.

But the ones listed for the highest amount are kinda crap.

Maybe I should use the time they were listed at as a guide too.

Like the ones that have been up for days must be unwanted.

[sullen valve]

My general rule is to lower price by 20% every 24-48h it's not gone when I need to price search in the unknown. So just start higher than those already posted if it's much better rolled

[agile current]

does it feel like rank raising is weirdly stunted for anyone else? I'll do lots of trading and putting stuff up on the market and it seems like my bar barely moved at all, then later i'll come back and oh look I went up a whole rank and a half. like it's somehow holding back rankups till hitting some point

[sullen valve]

You know killing monsters give you rank points right? In fact, the vast majority of your points come from blasting Monolith with high % experience.

[proud acorn]

It's both gaining and spending points. I tend to just stash all items I like to sell and then set aside a few hours to price check it all.

In fact I just had one of those.

Managed to list most of what I found lol. But I ran out of favour.

Since it took me a while I already sold some of it too.

Nothing at all like that time I earned 700M in a single sale tho.

[stray turtle]

whats the price for a squirrel helmet ??

[hollow sand]

It's gotten worse...i thought my 150m sales were good 2 weeks ago

Ig some element is inflation

We need more gold sinks

Or just have the one that exists be better

Because anything gold from that source is better than what I can buy off the Market with that gold, i should spent it in the sink

But maybe I just needa run more lightless arbor

[proud acorn]

Lightless arbor is, in theory, a better gold sink than people could give it credit for.

Because it is a good source of things to sell. Spend gold there to find things to sell, get gold from the market, spend more of it at the arbor.

Of course, that's only in theory. It only works if people actually do it.

[sullen valve]

That's the problem. Running the dungeons currently is not very fun and badly advertised/introduced. Add to it Arbor boss is a real pain in the butt depending on the build, it doesn't help convince the wannabe trader to run it more than once.

[proud acorn]

Well I myself just don't have the time to do lightless arbor.

Too busy grinding up corruption to kill the harbingers.

I'm on my fifth one now.

Literally just killed it.

[hollow sand]

It is a great idea tbh for a way to stop this inflation of the market BUTTT I think it needs to be easier to get to. Or more fun.

Dungeons are a.bit of a slog rn

LA being really bad for ranged builds isn't great. Since those are most builds

[fervent schooner]

Merchants Guild in shambles

[hollow sand]

If maybe you could send the light with projectiles itll be better

[fresh plover]

why la is bad for ranged builds what

ranged doesnt mean u have to stay in range all the time, just go close its not like smth will kill u from being in melee range

all meta builds shred arbor with no issues

[proud acorn]

I guess that makes sense. Just play as if you're close range and you'll be fine. Or as fine as you'd be if you were actually close range.

[fresh plover]

yep, the tree aint gonna slap you, it doesnt even have hands

also the same logic applies to almost any boss, including abberoth a lot of times its just better to be in melee

[proud acorn]

Harbingers don't even use their teleports if you stay in range lol.

Those often hurt.

[hollow sand]

Boss isn't the issue

It's not an issue with dying either

No one also said it was undoable with a ranged build

But go ahead and argue the strawman

Classic gamer

[fresh plover]

u said its bad for ranged build while there is literally no difference melee or ranged for that dungeon

[hollow sand]

Sure i'll happily explain what I mean by my comment, thanks for asking,

I was referring to the player interacting with the dungeon mechanic, especially on controller.

For instance, If i'm running an unoptimized midgame ballista build, it's a huge pain having to throw the light and recall it constantly, and just slows down the gameplay. Otherwise, the mobs die too slow. The other option is to run into enemies, but that slows down the gameplay too, as my ballista isn't able to do meaningful damage until I run into the enemy. Overall it slows things down which is generally not what you want to do in an arpg.

[split wave]

In that case, you are just on par with a melee build (or better), then, no?

[hollow sand]

On kb+m prob, but it's still a downgrade in speed, which is unfun.

On controller your worse than melee as the auto target for ranged attacks will sometimes target in the distance instaead of in range of the light

Esp if you do a buld that requires you to cast before the enemy arrives like any minion build like ballista or turret wraithlord. Or for a mobile minion build you have to follow your minions' ai

Instead of just letting them attack, if they spread out those outside the light do less damage. And again it just slows things down

[near gale]

I found a T7 Totem Crit Chance chest with an open prefix, T5 fire resist T4 poison resist suffixes. Meruna shell base. No idea what to list it for as I don't know primalist at all. There is one T7 totem crit chance chest up for 25 mil but it was just listed, and the next cheapest is 300m. Two at 350m, one at ~500m (with sealed exalted vitality, minion crit multi and resists), and one at 1b (minion healh, resist, and armor/crit avoidance). Any advice about what to do with this?

[fresh plover]

im even more confused why would even think about enemies in LA especially as MG player, everyone rushes to the boss, ignoring all enemies, i think i kill 2-3 mobs at most per run before bosss to refill fuel if needed

[hollow sand]

This just in. Gamer learns not everyone plays the same way they do. Are shocked.

[frozen rune]

people actually use the dungeon mechanic in LA?

[vocal owl]

I am in Minnesota and I do. Not sure about west coast ppl

[split wave]

I visited LA once, didn't see anyone using the dungeon mechanic

Had some good sandwiches though

[near gale]

any of you guys have MG focused filters that you feel work pretty well? or do you mostly build your own

[coral cove]

You kinda have to build your own. I have mine available on my spreadsheet, there is also some communities making filters (TSM for example). Overall just be aware of what sells (valuable t7 and a few t6) and filter for that. Some uniques as well depensing on LP

[covert breach]

Have we been given any sort of indication on when we can expect the MG search overhaul?

[dreamy dagger]

how much is the gold cap?

[strange whale]

2.1B

[dim beacon]

smoke weaver 2 lp how much round about ?

[peak niche]

Anyone know why did Flames of Midnight shoot up in price all the sudden?

[turbid birch]

How do I level up MG levels quickly? I kinda need level 8 but i just reached level 7 now @_@

[weak coral]

Just farm monos, you earn a lot by spending your favor by listing or buying items as well

[turbid birch]

oki!

I just dropped a T7 Attunment T6 health ring, how much does it worth?
Pricing is still a mess...

[weak coral]

You can sell items of any type no matter what your rank is. That one is probably in the millions at least

[turbid birch]

I have 5 tabs of idols to price check lol

[mossy hill]

is there anyway to filter the auction house via specific attributes like atk speed %, crit %, etc? i'm going through sales manually to filter and it's a pain

[frozen rune]

To be fair, Lightless Arbor does seem like the nicer place to live

Safer, that's for sure

[weak coral]

Click the button that says more and there will be an option for filtering by affix.

[drowsy shard]

Hey folks... merchants guild is the best to get specific uniques for a build?

[drowsy shard]

Is there someway to filter the rank i need to buy itens?

[grand jacinth]

what do you mean ?

[grand jacinth]

probably yeah

[stone pendant]

someone in HC CYCLE can give me waypoint of merchant guild please guys ? my name : Maleficient

[dim beacon]

Are 2lp smoke w actually going for 700m ?

[tacit verge]

missing the 3lp slam 3 times in a row (getting stuck with 1 bad suffix), feelspoor

[strong hare]

Yes nothing beats a 3lp missed slam

[sonic bone]

CoF player in Season 1, how much inflated are the prices?

So what have been "big ticket sales" in season 1?

I see that most meta 3 LPs are 500mil+
And meta T7 also 100mil+

Would guess season 1 was more modest, just don't know how big the difference is

[forest knoll]

we're season 1 rn right?

[rugged vector]

lmao wtf someone bought out all the wrongwarp 2's overnight

[split wave]

This is cycle 2

[half schooner]

some people used a gold dupe that why the economy is that bad right now ...

red rings were worth 40-50M in cycle 1, now its x10 at best lol

[grand jacinth]

i mean its inflated, but a lot of stuff is. You just farm stuff that is expensive and voilá, you made a ton of gold

compared to last cycle, its much better IMO. I could finish my meta builds with no issue at all

[half schooner]

yes but how there is so much gold generated ? because of the dupe, if people have golds its because they sold items with big value to people who used the dupe

most meta items would sell for 10 times less or even more, but obviously people would have less gold in bags

[grand jacinth]

@half schooner because there is no gold sink besides from tabs .. gold is never "destroyed"

think of it like this: I bought a offhand for my meta build yesterday, paid 1,5 billion for it. The item is removed from the market, but the gold just changed hands (without any of it being destroyed). The seller just goes to the market and also purchases a 1.5 bil item, another item is destroyed but the gold just changes hands to someone else. And it goes on.
It's not gold that is the scarce resource in the game atm, it's the items themselves.

So if at some point a lot of gold is introduced into this economy, the economy itself changes to adjust to that gold.
Is that a good way ? probably not. But it is what it is.

[sonic bone]

No "real" sink.

Lightless arbor is some sort of a sink, but not really that much

[fresh plover]

that is not true, LA is more than agressive sink of gold, its just useless when people generate 1.5 bil gold wiht 1 click

[novel geyser]

spent 200m buying 5x near max roll 0lp jungle queen for gamba, got 2x2LP and 2x3LP for return

nemesis sooo good

[fresh plover]

no wae, that extremely lucky

[novel geyser]

welp 9lpl

idk why ppel spend so much buying 2+lp jungle queen

[grand jacinth]

because why not ?

if you have your build done, you'd pay any amount tbh

to have that min max

once you got a few billion stuck to redeem in the market you dont care much about gold

[surreal tree]

Two nights in a row now. Freaking crazy. There were 2 pages of them a couple days ago

[hollow sand]

How is the market rn

[hollow sand]

Oh

[blazing sentinel]

Just wait... They will be back at 10x the price lol

[grand jacinth]

impossible

they were already max price :V

[hollow sand]

Was thinking of jumping back cuz of corruption changes and using my 500mil i got week2 to start a slightly off meta det trap rogue.

Ill have to see tho ig

[fresh plover]

thats what happens when some random dude who decided to play in a dead season drops 2$ for full stack of items he wants

[hollow sand]

Surely there's a better way to handle rmt

I almost think the only scenario where cof is better than mg is if there's no items to buy

[fresh plover]

cof was better this season if you are playing sentinel or primalist for sure

nobody posted almost any items for those, you could buy lp items but no exalts to slam

[hollow sand]

Can u check the cost of t7 throwing dmg and reduced mana cost rings?

[blazing sentinel]

I think if you're trying an off meta build, you should be okay starting with 500m

[hollow sand]

I think so too. Idk how meta it's gotten over time tho

Its main thing is the t7 affix on the ring

[fresh plover]

from 30mln to 1 bil

[hollow sand]

Well i can prob get a few of the cheaper ones ig

Ty for checking

[hard sierra]

any news on the gold duping and selling ruining the marketplace?

[fresh plover]

nope

[strong hare]

new catch-up corruption mechanic is nice, but game still get repetitive quick

[bronze glacier]

Despite the issue really pushing top items to obscene prices, they're sort of stabilising, unless you need T7 or high LP frostclaw static orb kit. I think if they managed to push a patch where every base class had at least 2-3 fairly even meta builds, there wouldn't be such a high focus market on a very narrow subset of affixes/items, that doesn't help distribute that dupe impact across a wider spectrum of items.

you still see plenty of items sitting for a 1b sale, but most are up for 8 days+ not selling unless its a perfect 3LP or max rolled on peak meta build.

as you can only hold 2.1b,i presume the gold sellers sit sniping 4lp or other high value items as a store of wealth

it might actually be easier if we just had 64bit int gold stores, then you can more easily identify gold mules lol

I also think unsold market items should expire after being listed for X amount of time, as those crazy dupe listing sort of poison the perspective of a buyer. you could lift the restriction after say a month so that people playing late in a season don't have an empty market.

If you had good interaction tracing, id ban the dupers, delist the entire MG listings (obviously refunding the listings).

Some kind of transaction monitoring too, that flags obscene increases

if a wallet goes from 80k to 2b, and wasn't via a marketplace trade, thats sus immediately.

automatically freeze that character wallet, and raise an internal alert to review.

alongwith a 10 minute log snapshot.

easier to say than do? yes. Worth the difficult engineering time? also yes.

[vestal sonnet]

do I have to sell things to people in order to rank up MG without it taking way too long?

[bronze glacier]

No you get favour and rank from exp by doin exp nodes in monos, and killing

sell valuable items (T7 mana, int are big on mage items) certain key idols, T7 dex is good, 3LP uniques (or 2 if its ones that dont get much LP)

[indigo mulch]

You get reputation from earning favor (1 favor earned = 2 reputation earned) and spending favor (1 favor spent = 2 reputation earned). You can spend favor by buying items from the vendor, listing items on the bazaar (doesn't need to sell to another player), or buying items for yourself.

[bronze glacier]

Crit multi is good

I didnt spend favour until about R7 just saved it up, at that point you can buy exhalted and 0lp uniques. and as typecast said, you only need to list an item (even for 0 gold) to get favour spent.

[vestal sonnet]

alright, thank you

[shrewd nexus]

There's a cutlass that was odachi lite that the vendor for mg sells. It used to be bugged and drop in open world so you'd see them a lot lol

Ig katana is also odachi lite

[small jay]

I have like 280k favour and cant afford upgrades

[sullen valve]

At least you can find them on the market rofl

[alpine atlas]

thanks to whoever underpriced the t6 damage over time armor mitigation implicant stacking gloves

[fresh plover]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[dreamy dagger]

i have 2.1 billion and 350k favor and can’t find upgrade

[balmy sorrel]

any tips of leveling merchants guild quickly? im stuck at rank 7

[small jay]

Youre never stuck. Farm echoes. Spend favour. Ranks come

[balmy sorrel]

👍

[uneven zinc]

looking for opinions on best monolith to farm for the purpose of selling items for gold? winter / dragon? or something else

[lyric trail]

can someone help me unlock the waypoint? @RoyaleBlue

[frozen rune]

There's a guy with over 1000 bil gold in stock. That's enough information I think

[arctic stirrup]

I found a 3lp The Confluence of Fate any idea where to sell it? I think it is worth more than 1.5bn

[rugged vector]

wont be through any legally condoned means as they blocked p2p but didnt remove the gold inflation but kept the gold cap, destroying the super top end market along with a lot of the top end market

[wise cloak]

hmmm can we have an alt as mg?

[wary sparrow]

is there anyone that can spped lvl me to 90 for 300 million gold ? i am now 68

[granite elm]

Do people actually sell things for 50+ million gold ? I keep seeing very mediocre items, not even with max rolls, listed for like insane amounts of gold

[brave temple]

Just put the only profane veil + necrotic res idol on the MG USWest - go get it 🙂

Also anyone wanna buy 4LP core of the mountain? 99% rolls

[round wasp]

50/50 on it being a meta item or someone hoping to get lucky

[novel geyser]

4LP core of the mountain ??????????

[brave temple]

yes sir

[novel geyser]

that's like seeing bigfoot riding a unicorn 👀

[brave temple]

lol its 99% rolls too 🙂

[novel geyser]

like 99% on every stats?
u got a pic?

[brave temple]

Lemme finish thsi mono

Oh sorry it's peak of the mountain, not core

[novel geyser]

i already assume that 😁

[brave temple]

lol posted in ask the community @ you

[novel geyser]

still a nice drop nonetheless

[winter moat]

lfg to kill t4 juria can pay

[steady pasture]

how do people have/hold onto more than 2b?

[split wave]

The only way is to have unclaimed sales sitting in the bazaar

[woven isle]

how do i earn favour outside of killing things?

[woven isle]

wtf 2b? gold??

[grand jacinth]

yeah, its not that crazy 😄

[woven isle]

i have 3m that someone gave me lmfao

[steady pasture]

is there a trade chat in this server?

[rugged vector]

man, i dont even play poe but their response to their economy exploit was worlds better than EHG's to the gold dupe this season. guessing its an infra/data tracking diff so hopefully EHG gets there in the next few seasons

[bitter zenith]

it cost so much favor to list..you guys think this is worth anything?

its a cradle of the erased shield with t7 block chance and t7 block effectiveness

https://i.imgur.com/vLfvbuA.png

[twilit crescent]

anyone got T7 throwing mana ring I would like to buy...

on cycle.'

[split wave]

Any source of xp grants favor, but pretty much all xp sources involve killing things

[compact patio]

People reception also was much better. Not crybabies like here. They blocked way to do this and banned people responsible, ehg did exactly same thing. Also people told its 3rd league in a row so it’s just funny there it got praises and here not.

[charred cosmos]

anyone got a 3lp cleaver solution for trde?

[rugged vector]

but at the end of the day, the fundamental difference is they weren't able to remove most of the gold here for LE and the market crashed, whereas it did not there. makes all the difference sadly

there wouldn't be nearly this people reception difference if literally the impact wasnt "well looks like most of the duped gold was stored and dupers got away scott free, and im watching the market prices die in real time by day 3 for the rest of the season with no recourse"

optimistic for future seasons as they build more systems to be able to attack these things better, takes time

[compact patio]

I am curious if it’s because of sheer numbers and people involved. Also Poe had 350k players here it was just 50k. Still it closed topic now, nothing more to add.

And people did this narrative here like it doesn’t even happen in Poe and LO and behold they were wrong.

[rugged vector]

for sure, its not a fair fight given poe has like years of dealing with these things and systems built in place as a result, LE just earlier on the curve. some of the POE is the greatest thing ever stans are wild and can be tossed out+ignored as examples/narrative

most definitely brutal tho from an optics perspective, hard to trust MG going forward until proven otherwise

[compact patio]

I think I will still stick to mg. Even with all drama

[rugged vector]

you and i will, but give us all our other market participants back 😭

[compact patio]

I manage to sell some items still, bought some godly items for my necro build 🤣

[steady pasture]

anyone in the market for a 3LP Convergence?

[celest hamlet]

hiyas, i have some items listed in my stall for what i hope are fair prices, i'm trying to raise about 500k gold to buy an Exsangunous, just wanted to FYI if anyone would be interested

[dim beacon]

what shoul be main prio to look out for in Liegltess arbor ?

[charred cosmos]

anyone got a 3lp cleaver solution?

[brazen sun]

As I see from the posts here and on reddit, there are still a lot of people left who have made a lot of currency and continue to buy it to this day without being banned.

[frozen rune]

In LE? yeah some Chinese guy claims to have a stockpile of 1000 bil gold to sell so goodluck with stabilizing the economy

[signal leaf]

thets alot of accounts lol 😄

[rugged shard]

why i play cof so i dont have to worry about this

[vestal sonnet]

Because the dupped money still injected on the economy, they banned the duppers, but the damage was already done

Surely that won't happen again next cycle.

[elder vigil]

I'm pretty new to the game so haven't chosen a faction yet. Is the duping issue prevalent enough to make the Merchant's side pointless? Is this also why like every item I found until level 40 had a gold value of 1?

[frozen rune]

if you're a casual player, no. if you want to min-max, yeah

[vestal sonnet]

You can still buy starter gear just fine, but good gear that would be expensive but not on the billions, are on the billions now

[elder vigil]

So stick to CoF this season maybe unless I go crazy on the hours?

I'm never been a mega serious ARPG player but this game is kind of hitting a little different in terms of fun.

[elder vigil]

That sucks, hopefully it's stronger next season. Still so early in the game's long life.

[compact holly]

yeah the economy is not in a great state unfortunately. I think there should be some kind of incentive to price things to move rather than put it at a billion and just chill

[vestal sonnet]

I heard last season had dupe too, let's hope the next one won't

[wicked rampart]

I have a level 91 character is it to late to switch to merchant guild

[fresh plover]

what class are u playing

[wicked rampart]

Warlock

I'm cof 8 but I here MG is better

[fresh plover]

ehhh well maybe u can switch but tbh this late into season cof is better, plus you are playing meta your weapon/items will cost millions

[wicked rampart]

If I switch how can I tell which gear I wouldn't be allowed to wear anymore

[fresh plover]

anything that has cof tag

[wicked rampart]

If I decide to switch back to cof would I keep my rank 8 or would I start over

[fresh plover]

youll keep rank

[wicked rampart]

Oh so if my current gear don't have cof tag then there really isn't a consequence to switching

[pulsar latch]

You lose all your favor when switching, and if you have other characters on COF It wipes the favor for them as well, just something to consider. Best if you spent all favor before switch

[trail gulch]

Just curious, how much a 2lp jungle queen's belt with T7 mana regeneration and T7 potion summon zombies is?

[vestal sonnet]

I this economy? Half of the things on the millions and billions doesn't worth even close to that, so who knows really

That being said I will probably switch back to MG, not like the prophecies on CoF are giving me anything anyway

[dim beacon]

2LP stormcarved how much shoudl ii take

none on ethe market

[dim beacon]

nvm said cannot be traded whyyyy

[fresh plover]

cause you are cof

[dim beacon]

No im not. Bit dont know why maybe a friend gave it to me 🤷🏼‍♂️

[balmy bane]

yeh i tried COF last season... and this season MG ... but this gold dupe got the eco terribly skewered =/

[lucid umbra]

apologies if these were asked (probably multiple times) already, I did a quick search, but want to be sure... Is Legacy economy damaged by gold duping and other exploits? Is 1.1 economy also damaged? I don't see how some prices can be realistic, for example 2 LP boneclamor barbute starting at 70mil. Is there a legit way of farming 70 mil gold in say 2-3 days?

[hollow plank]

yes, get a good drop and sell it

[turbid birch]

What is the fastest way to reach max level with GM? Is there any trick?

[compact patio]

https://www.youtube.com/live/g1Vnsg3DxFA?si=Q0SwFad6u7e_z1Mi

[split wave]

Just get a lot of xp, and also spend some favor

[turbid birch]

1 hour @_@ Ty

[compact patio]

Great strat for leveling and favour/rank

[strong hare]

Market still screwed? Or did they do anything took a week or 2 off to see if they would actually do something.

[strong hare]

Got it lol

[frozen rune]

nothing has changed

[rugged vector]

nothing has changed, a question was posed in the dev q&a stream about the exploiters getting away with it and the dev answer was "no, we banned everyone and closed the exploit pretty quickly". either they're playing incredibly coy to get ahead of exploiters, or theres a very real chance they don't realize that so many of these exploiters just stored the gold elsewhere in difference accounts and essentially got away scott free while the market got killed and never stabilized

[vocal owl]

so putting the current state of market aside, how does one in general sustain oneself in MG? just sell stuff you dont need and buy stuff you need?

[pulsar latch]

Basically yea. Also once you have a bit of money, you can try gambling in Lightless Arbor for gear, If you are smart about it you can make money back.

[vocal owl]

noted. As a CoF player I never knew lightless arbor serves that function for MG player but it makes perfect sense. thanks

[drifting birch]

its not just about exploiters my friend. You severely underestimate mass behavior. Once everyone realizes there is a gold exploit, many just reprice all their items prices to reflect that , and this behavior is far harder to correct than banning exploiters. Add the fact that there are always whales ready to pay hard money through RMT and u get a market that will never goes back with better price. The rate $ vs gold has already reflected these changes and it never goes up in price, always going down overtime.

What you have is a classic inflation on steroid, and in H&S games the price of valuable items already goes up and explode to prevent too many people from having the mean to buy. you dont need many years in economics to understand the principles behind it.
Bear with it i'd say, or come back next season.
You'll never get a database overview to reassure you that the devs did ban all those alt accounts you think about, and you'll never be truly sure everything has been done properly on their side. What you can be sure is that whatever they tried, except for the never seen " cash wipe" on all accounts post a certain threshold, it would not have been enough for the reasons above.

[fiery ibex]

hey guys im switching from CoF to MG. is there any loot filter for MG or any guides to help me get started?

[frozen rune]

https://arreatsummit.gg/last-epoch/loot-filters/66944403311345220715fefe

[fiery ibex]

ty 🙏🏻

[frozen rune]

o7

[hollow trout]

WTB> Gambit of an Erased Rogue with T7 aerial assault and at least T5 poison damage 400kk offer

[brave temple]

Bruh MG is dying. Can barely find any LP uniques anymore

5bil to spend but no items 😦

[crisp swallow]

you meant mg is dead?

[hollow trout]

Been using it since cycle start with no issues really, just this one hyper specific item is very rare

[crisp swallow]

if you dont think theres an issue i dont know what to tell you

its already in hyperinflation

[grand jacinth]

tbh inflation is going down

as there is less people playing in the market rn ... super ultra rare stuff are less seen in the market but not as overpriced as you'd think

[crisp swallow]

less people play the market due to its state

[grand jacinth]

or because they already spent hundreds of hours playing this season and moved on to another seasonal games ?

[crisp swallow]

im sure thats a contributing factor too

[wide umbra]

Mg is dying… ya…

Less people selling items bois 😦

I cant find a lp 3 ….

[foggy wedge]

is it possible to pull prices from the market through api or something? is there already an website which list items from market?

price checking is kinda pain in the arse

[craggy dagger]

I go full casual and just put up arbitrary prices for things and some of them sell, lol. I know it's not optimal by any stretch, but I just can't be bothered to spend that much time looking at unorganized pages and pages of trash.

[pulsar latch]

There used to be a website

https://lastepoch.io/bazaar

But it seem to be defunct

[frozen rune]

There is MG hall, both website and discord

https://www.mghall.io/

Its just appraisal though, and didn't test it this league

[compact patio]

You don’t have such tools as Poe community did. Nothing good until some rework to ui

[azure crater]

https://arreatsummit.gg/last-epoch/loot-filters/6690769585d9d9376191d23b - same but more updated it's better

[wise perch]

By MG being dead what do you mean? That not enough items are for sale to fill the demand? I just swapped over from CoF because I thought I'd be able to find the items I need easier.

[strange whale]

It means people have moved on to other games so there aren't much items on MG compared before.
Despite that, I still won't recommend CoF. Except if you only want to farm nonsense and only gonna stick to one build.

We're down to 8k daily players from 40-50k on 1.1, and that number will go down even more until next cycle (well, also because of PoE and D4). That's just the way it is for these games.

[wise perch]

So is there usually a large influx in items being sold in legacy at the beginning of each cycle?

[strange whale]

I have no idea with legacy market.
Can't be bothered to start from 0 favor again with unusable/zero equips. Hope they improve it though.

[wise perch]

I'm not sure what you mean. Isnt the whole point of Legacy so you sont have to re-start your favor? With cycles you have to start with 0 favor each time correct?

[strange whale]

Well, it was reset. Most, if not all, of your equips are unusable because it requires rank on your faction. Imagine having a legendary ring that enables your entire build, now unsable. And you have to grind, what, Lv90-95 equivalent to get back to that rank and use that item.
So just play on the current cycle since it's the same grind but with a leveled playing field.

[split wave]

You have to manually migrate: https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1260279433772662854

[strange whale]

Nice, I stand corrected as I didn't know that. But it's still an issue to most players who don't want to manually import hundreds of tabs and recreate it all. So most of us just played 1.1.

[split wave]

Yeah, it's not communicated in game basically at all, so just want to spread awareness. I plan on always playing cycles, so I'm never going to actually manage my remove-only tabs, but for legacy players, at least they don't get wiped. Probably would be a pain to try and play both legacy and cycle due to the stash merging.

[wise perch]

Is there a place to conduct P2P trading?

[split wave]

Pretty sure it's still disabled atm until they can fix it

[wise perch]

Oh didnt know that. I kept reading in the rank tiers that I can trade with people haha...so new to MG

I guess the silver lining is I can say "I've been playing since you couldnt trade"

[split wave]

You can trade in the bazaar just to be clear, just not p2p

[left apex]

How much would Doublet of Onos, Omnis of The Monolith and Bloodroost cost me?

[limber mirage]

have prices on everything settle down by chance?

[wheat verge]

absolutely no

[novel geyser]

eh

prices settled down

at 1.5b

[limber mirage]

for what item?

[gleaming wadi]

Is any item really worth a billion gold? Seems kinda ridiculous tbh

[wise perch]

I dont know but I cant sell anything for 25k lol

[pliant iron]

just starting a new merchants guild character after playing only cof for my first few. anyone got any tips?

[wide umbra]

Damn can't find exsanguinouis with 3 lps

[near holly]

Hey, has anyone noticed any changes in how Bazaar works in 1.1? I'm currently sitting on level 95 sentinel and I still cannot buy any item for my level in Bazaar. Everything is level 10 or level 12 required, while I'm level 7 and it looks like it got stuck there. Do you need to farm reputation in some dungeons or something?

[copper maple]

no. you dont need to farm rep in any specific place. yre getting a low amount of rep and favor by killing regular mobs or doing quests. to get your MG rank faster spend your favor by buying some random items on bazaar from players or even from npc

[near holly]

thanks @copper maple

[astral valve]

Try to understand what people looks for on the most used builds, look for the "near best rolls" of that items and when u get one look at someting similar is on sell and put yours cheaper. Idols sells pretty good and some of them very expensive. Also i have a field in the bank for items that in LP0 are cheap but at LP1 or LP2 are very expensive, put that items on nemesis and pray...

[split wave]

Make sure to filter for what you have the ranks to buy. Like, if you want a particular unique, filter out legendary versions of it (those are the high rank req items) so you only see the unique rarity ones.

[astral valve]

Another ez tip: Julras ring will easily drop with LP1 and you probably will have some of then in some time. Try to put it with T6 intellect and will be easy sold for 100 to 300Million... // Level4 arenas can have some nice loot to sell too- // some LP0 items sells for more money than LP1 same items, so be carefull with that. (because LP0 can go LP2-3 on Nemesis people tend to buy de LP0 on a lot of items) but also if you are starting to gear a char, you can take profit and buy the LP1 for sometimes ZERO gold...

[onyx forge]

would anyone on softcore cycle be willing to give me the waypoint for the bazzar? please and thankyou

[spring igloo]

WTS Code of an Erased Sentinel (Relic)
T7 +4 Judgement/+88% Increased Healing Effectiveness
T7 +4 Sigils of Hope/+39 Mana
T3 +21% Chance to Apply Frailty on Hit
+1 to All Sentinel Skills
+29% Increased Armor (20% to 30%)
30% of Armor Mitigation Also Applies to DOT (20% to 30%)

Got 133 upvotes on /r/LastEpoch 2 weeks ago 🙂 I can't post pictures in this discord channel otherwise I would show. I used it and it's quite powerful but I need to fund my Sorcerer 🙂 I can share my build on lastepochtools if you buy this from me!

[sleek drift]

after an item sells in the market place, do i have a time limit to get the gold out ?

[wise perch]

New to MG... why are some items listed as 0g?

[spring igloo]

you get XP if you list regardless of price

[sleek drift]

whats the best way to level up my MG guild level??

[wise perch]

How come there is such a huge price disparity on certain items? For example, I will check prices on uniques at same LP with very similar stats but some listed for 0 and some listed for hundreds of thousands.

[limber mirage]

people are greedy and the devs seem want us to regulate the market for some reason. Personally I think they should do a mix go by last season and see what the typical price for items and how they are now

[wise perch]

But how do the high priced items even sell when there are similar items listed at 0g or much cheaper?

[limber mirage]

they will take those down after a while and that is all I guess

[idle scarab]

some people will list items for 0 gold and purely the favour cost because the item isn't 'that' valuable and they care more about getting favour than gold on the item despite the item actually being worth the average gold cost listed versions, then you have certain people artificially inflating the market by buying out the 'cheap' versions of items to keep prices high, like with certain chest items with high deman T7 skills etc.

[wise perch]

Oh wow ok that makes more sense then

It's just hard to get a feel for value when prices are all over the place

I sold a 2lp humming bee for almost 5mil super fast, never would've guessed that was an accurate price due to not being able to view sold listings.

[wide umbra]

30k within 72 hours? Thats half of my year of hard working dude

[solar prairie]

Soo I'm considering leveling up MG too with a new Alt because I have a few build ideas and I wouldn't mind spending the extra Time to level MG if it means getting my gear will be considerably faster.
So my question is; How long does it usually take in MG (once I have the ranks ofc) to get like Mid/Low Tier Endgame gear (T6 Affixes and maybe one or two uniques) and how hard is it to get started in the Economy atm?
Also taking suggestions on classes that overperform with next to no gear.

[half canyon]

AH in legacy is dead. How is it on season?

[hallow nova]

If my list an item on AH, and switched to CoF, will my item become unlisted or it will remain on the AH? Then is it possible that I switch to MG again and check if the item I have listed was sold?

[grand jacinth]

it remains on AH, and yeah you can do that.

[hallow nova]

I see thanks. Just listed some exalted wands for base and lagon relics. Did not know that even as a CoF player, there are still drops that can be sold upon switching to MG

[pulsar latch]

Wait was that changed? Last season the stuff I dropped from COF, regardless if it had the COF tag or not, cannot be sold on market.

[hallow nova]

If that's the case maybe I had those stuffs before I switched to CoF?

What I did was level MG to 7, switched to CoF til level 12, then switched back to MG

[pulsar latch]

For me the things I dropped before joining faction could not be sold either

Like I joined COF, then later switched to MG, and when I switched I had nothing to sell.

[hallow nova]

and found some items without "Cannot be traded" tag on my stash such as t6/t7 mana mage armors, and few mana/mana gained as ward wands, and a few double exalted attribute boots.

was surprised that T7 mana mage armors are priced at 100m to 1.5billion. I have 10s of them on my stash, too bad I cant sell it.

I just priced all of them at 10m cause just want some quick money for stash tabs

[split wave]

The drops you get before picking a faction are sellable, you might have just not kept anything worth selling

[half canyon]

Wish I could change tô COF but my itens are from AH. If I change I will have to unequip them :/

[scenic dune]

Is this worth anything? (Exsanguinous with 33% increased health and 35% phys res) got it from a nemesis guy

[gaunt cradle]

any tips to rank up guild faster?

[compact patio]

Beacon strategy, check frozen sentinel channel

[gaunt cradle]

ty

[strong copper]

is it worth taking merchants than cof ?

[wide umbra]

Always

[velvet plank]

That doesn't work for merchants but right ?

[compact patio]

Its exactly same thing for everyone, its best xp/favour farm in game rn

[peak shale]

Did the economy ever recover in the last weeks ?

[mellow sparrow]

No, it actually got way worse

[peak shale]

I guessed ^^ maybe next time

[loud parrot]

so im new to this faction i have a item that has a t7 roll and a t6 one in +4 of a skill and the other mana but when i use the function it only set it for 1 of the 2

like there are helms like mine that have +4 to a skill but only give like 7 mana