💰┃merchants-guild

[knotty ore]

easily, and then you can still minmax it for all eternity if you want

[scarlet beacon]

in trade? nah it wouldnt before the gold dupe, but now? un reasonable. also getting the easiest 3LP item for my build in COF and hitting the slam would likely take 300 runs of orobyss at least

[knotty ore]

I've played this cycle like a degen, i think im like 80h in now, and just lastn ight got aberroth down

And i don't have any ridicolously expensive items either

[sullen valve]

About same here

[scarlet beacon]

im at 100 hours rn, all my exalted are sealed near Bis t7's the only real upgrades are things like 2-3LP smokweavers ect

[sullen valve]

Ditch that, I only scratched 50h yesterday

[knotty ore]

yup people like you, and me i guess, are the once that "suffer" the most since we've played a lot and are far into the game already where the inflation hit the hardest.

[compact patio]

ffs xD i bought item that is 4 times more expensive than 2 days ago and I dropped better one on first boss kill today lol

[sullen valve]

I thought I played more honestly, being close to aberroth already.

[knotty ore]

But im still not done with the cycle, im gonna keep blasting away till i can't handle another monolith anymore

[scarlet beacon]

yeah its rough, ahh well tho boat league in a week 😄

[sullen valve]

I have a very hard time being excited for that...

[scarlet beacon]

and hopefully next cycle will be bettter i loved this one till the dupe

[knotty ore]

love me a league start, altho im gonna miss sat/sun of the first weekend

[knotty ore]

I still love it even with the dupe. Got me some extra content when i've been chatting a lot in this discord arguing with people XD

[scarlet beacon]

lmao FR can be v entertaining. idk what im gonna league start they killed TS right?

[sullen valve]

I'm starting to find the whole LP1 uniques worth 0 to be a bit annoying. Maybe they should find a way to make them a bit more appealing

[knotty ore]

I smell a melee league. I was planning on leaguestarting boneshatter even before so I think im still doing that, and then transfer into a str stacking double strike or something

[scarlet beacon]

would be cool if we could gamba them somehow, thats what keeps 0LP high

[knotty ore]

We need to get the 0lp gambaers to some gambling addiction rehab and start from there

[scarlet beacon]

i wonder if flicker will be "viable"

[sullen valve]

I never thought I'd wish to get 0 LP instead of 1LP. I just got Mortalisty's grasp 1 LP,worth 0 while the 0LP is almost 1M

[scarlet beacon]

i have a page of failed 0LP smoke weaver gambas xD

[knotty ore]

if you wanna chat about poe maybe dm me tho, don't want to fill this chat with poe stuff 😄 also idk about flicker, i made a flicker build 2 weeks ago to test it and thing was wild haha

[knotty ore]

relatable, i've failed like 15 transient rests trying to get ms on them XDD

[frozen rune]

just be MAGEFIST

[sullen valve]

LP1 should probably be 2 ranks lower than LP2+

Since you can nemesis from the get go

[knotty ore]

they def need to change the rank rewards of MG anyways, Mg only really gets useful at 9

[scarlet beacon]

i wonder if they will go for a gold reset tho, that would mald so many people even though it would help

[knotty ore]

Doubt it, and doesnt sound like a good idea at all to me. Would cause an even bigger upset

[scarlet beacon]

especially in the current state of new dupes coming out, if they reset gold and it gets duped again rip

[frozen rune]

there are no new dupes, the economy just struggles to stabilize

[knotty ore]

Yeah, we'll see what happens, I assume we get some answers on friday stream (Still not 100% if a stream is happening i just keep hearing about it xd). Anyways, I'm off to watch Twisters, need me a disaster movie to cope with all the disasters happening here xd have a good one lads

[scarlet beacon]

ooof rmt gold is cheaper for current cycle than standard. thats a really bad sign

[scarlet beacon]

what you mean, there was duping last night after they fixed the previous dupe or did they just not fix it

[scarlet beacon]

have a good time bro

[ivory siren]

People really have a lot of gold, yesterday I dropped 2 LP Shattered Chains with high rolls, checked the Bazaar and there was one for 300m. I set up mine for 50m and it sold today.

[scarlet beacon]

ye its the dupes my guy, items that where 20-50k for 3 LP are now 20mil lol

[sullen valve]

I'd straight up stop playing immediately. It's not anyone's fault this happened.

[scarlet beacon]

true but a lot of peeps are quiting because of the current econ, tough spot for the devs with no answer that pleases all

[sullen valve]

The answer is NEVER to punish everyone for a few exploiters. It's always better to displease a few people than nearly everyone. The vast majority does not care or did not even notice the dupe or market situation. They aren't even R9 yet.

[scarlet beacon]

haha fr i think your right sad for me and my homies that are quitting but it is what it is we will play next cycle

[sullen valve]

Even those who are R9+ are simply playing around it, either gambling their gold in Harbor dungeon or farming items rather than gold

I think it was Misha talking about this last night

Personally, my main difficulty is deciding whether falcon gloves are better than Double exalted experimental gloves on FG minions

[scarlet beacon]

how long does a cycle usually last

[sullen valve]

3-4 months, but most people play 1 character for 80-150h generally

[knotty ore]

Excactly this

[storm mason]

Everyone's already punished by the awful economy and ehg's carelessnes towards the situation.

[bronze quest]

Hopefully 1.2 is an extremely short cycle...

Literally lost mroe than half player base in 7 days

[pine yacht]

anyone know how to price some mana sorc stuff

[ivory siren]

There must be an item dupe aswell no? There are 6 unstable cores 1 LP on the bazaar for 5m each with literally the exact same stats on everything???

[storm mason]

Hate to be "that guy", but poe 3.25 is a week away and alotta people will hop off LE for a while, probably until next cycle.

[quiet oxide]

this league is gonna be big for poe, since they took an extra month and last league was the worst league ever recorded

[gusty pivot]

Nah, people just run Arbor with amounts of gold in economy. Poping 5-10m in dungeon

[dusk pivot]

@ivory siren can u add a screen shot here maybe the devs see it

[quiet oxide]

is this 2 lp unstable core ? , if it's not i'm not that shocked

[ivory siren]

I can't post screenshots here

[dusk pivot]

make a forum post

[pine yacht]

anyone know exalted T6 mana on arcane bracers how to correctly price, cheapest ones showing are 20 mil this makes no sense?

[scarlet beacon]

thats cause of the dupe my guy

[grim flint]

Any gold dupe updates ? 🙂

[bronze quest]

LE dev team needs to reflect hard on the game going forward. MG people play for economy/trading and 1.0 and 1.1 have been an absolute disaster.

[pine yacht]

what dupe, there arent many pairs listed

[bronze quest]

No way to price items, or have an economy when gold really has 0 value because there is SO much of it.

[gusty pivot]

It's not item dupe. Muuuuch worse... Gold dupe)

[novel geyser]

I double they will. At this point the best thing they can do next cycle is just complete cut MG. Trade was not their intention at first anw, and they're clearly not equipped enough to handle it

[ivory siren]

there must be an item dupe aswell, literally 6 of the same unstable cores are listed for 5m each with 1 LP

[bronze quest]

They will lose a huge player base removing MG. Its only reason I want to play LE is to trade. But its also been their biggest failure

[novel geyser]

lightless arbor

[scarlet beacon]

hundreds of billions of gold where duped and dumped into the market

[ivory siren]

I'm done with the circle, every upgrade I need are at least 2 LP on those are from 300m to 1,5b lol

[pine yacht]

ah so everything got bought out

[scarlet beacon]

yeah same with me and everyone i know

[novel geyser]

🤷🏽‍♂️ . Do you think they can keep players if they handle sht like this?

[modern field]

I listed my character's ivory ring for 300 mil and it got bought within a minute
this cycle is cooked boys

[bronze quest]

No thus why 150k or so from 1.0 went to 70k in 1.1 and now like 25k a week later

I was talking with a dev in global chat and he was like we are only a company of 100 people....well GGG is a company of only 140 people and the difference is night and day between the 2 games.

[scarlet beacon]

no one wants to keep playing a league where future upgrades are so unatainable

[pine yacht]

ya i was wondering why stuff was so expensive

[bronze quest]

Ya literally 0 point to play MG at this point, they didnt wipe gold, thus the MG 1.1 season is over.

[scarlet beacon]

dupe has happened twice now too, rmt gold in standard is more expensive than MG cycle xD

[bronze quest]

Yep, the lack of security with audit logging, monitoring and alerting is unbelivable. I believe they waited for people to just friggin report it lol. Very amateur

[grim flint]

😪

[robust tundra]

Nice huff of copium there

[ivory siren]

Next circle CoF again 100%, see you guys in a few months! I killed Aberroth like 6 times and I've done everything in the circle, now it just seems pointless to keep playing with no upgrades less than 300m.

[quiet oxide]

after necropolis i'll be happy if they give me anything not requiring 2 spreadsheets

[ivory siren]

Time for a 3rd elden ring dlc playthrough until D4 Season 5 😄

[signal leaf]

was anyone rly using thet grave mechanic :P?

[quiet oxide]

crazy to think that necropolis was the worst recorded league ever in poe history, wild

[robust tundra]

I mean sure, but league wont be any better coz of that extra month, dont forget there are only still 10-15 ppl working on poe1

[grim flint]

And it was my first league ever 😅

[frozen rune]

Way less I'd say, the exalt strat is only like 2-3 mil on average.

[round wasp]

i ran 1 t4 arbor and got an lp4 peak

now my gameplay is refreshing market for a base to slam lmao

[frozen rune]

Funny how for the second cycle in a row gold reward echos are basically useless, let me hide gold drops in the loofilter so I can get 1 fps more

[round wasp]

yeah, gold drops and 1lps go in the garbage

[deft bronze]

Anybody on hc trade has palarus without any LP?

[carmine thistle]

what kind of content is profitable to farm atm?

[signal leaf]

Arbor,mby baston if the items are in any meta builds and if the dungons work

[frosty verge]

Go for them gold drops monoliths xD "the market is stabalizing"

[whole quartz]

I have not started this game in a few days and the prices of items on the market are horrible. What has happened?

[fresh plover]

there was gold exploit and trillions of gold was added to market

[whole quartz]

oh no

I had about 10 million gold, but it was completely meaningless.

[small jay]

ok so... how are ppl farming millions of gold? i spam echoes and get loot worth nothin....

[round wasp]

it's actually basically the same as before, you grind things that drop loot worth money - arbor, blood frost and death and reign of dragons bosses, etc. The list of things that are actually worth selling is just a lot narrower...

[whole quartz]

Occasionally a great tier 7 mod/base item combination would drop, so that was my main source of income.

When the corruption goes up, you will see that kind of thing in MG. At low corruption, they were selling uniques and other items at low prices to make money.

[signal leaf]

Arbor t4

[small jay]

but arbor COSTS gold? or you mean peak of mountain

[signal leaf]

yes it dose 10-20m should be np to have atm and ye boss drop caN give nice sell to if they ahve lp

[small jay]

20 mil np to have? farming what exactly?

[signal leaf]

monos soulboston if the item are worth

[fresh plover]

you do chests only if you are mage/aco/falconer

[knotty ore]

I still enjoyed necropolis quite a lot XD

[mental hedge]

anyone can tell me what Jekhors daggers cost this days? thinking about playing a bit but withhout respecs

[carmine thistle]

do you mean spending 10-20m per run for chests or?

[signal leaf]

naa but is good to have . its gona cost a few milions ea run

[signal leaf]

👍

[fresh plover]

it costs nothing cause the build that uses them is dead

[mental hedge]

why what ? das not good

[round wasp]

3lp -6 mana is worth a bit

[fresh plover]

because the skill was insanely bugged and eg finally fixed it?

[mental hedge]

wasnt detonate bugged before full release and fixed on release and was good

[fresh plover]

not at all it was bugged all 1.0 cycle

[signal leaf]

was expo Balista they fixed

[fresh plover]

just ehg being selective with their bugfix policy for some reason

[round wasp]

ballista is still decently popular but not as accessible

[signal leaf]

well it req abit more game play and gear

[fresh plover]

ballista is still best build for pushing corruption, bina is on 2.6k now

[mental hedge]

any other build for some zoom zoom that gets fast of the ground sameish gameplay? for controoler as a bonus?

[round wasp]

falconer AA/divebomb is pretty fast and strong and doable on controller, though it has its quirks

[fresh plover]

bleed falconer should be brainless

[signal leaf]

jump jump jump ?

[mental hedge]

there guides for that out there ? or atleast some skill trees

[signal leaf]

just go youtube type in bleed Falconer 1.1, and you will see . most of them have buildplaner in there info

[mental hedge]

the guides from last cycle still fresh?

[fresh plover]

maxroll should have one, but ye ts pretty much the same

[cosmic wedge]

Is there a WTS / WTB channel in this discord?

[mental hedge]

the gloves and chest cheap?

[signal leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av9ZGOLo

[simple knoll]

Falconer, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,987, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 150, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 31/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 70 Dex / 21 Int / 1 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 55% / 65% / 98% / 88% / 93% / 86%
▸ EHP: 6,874 / 6,158 / 6,687 / 8,724 / 7,390 / 7,390 / 7,390

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 397
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (521)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,031)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 82%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Bow, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Aerial Assault (23)
• Net (23)
• Puncture (23)
• Dive Bomb (23)
• Falconry (24)

Used unique items:

• Boneclamor Barbute
• Titan Heart
• Merophage
• Blood Roost
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Omnis
• Valdyr's Chalice

[topaz kestrel]

Steam charts is funny before gold bug 53.8k players 1 day later 38.4k

And still no fix or nothing xd next cycle dead game sorry to say they lost a lot of people trust.

[fresh plover]

there wont be any fix, its same as 1.0

[topaz kestrel]

Well i am waiting for they response only to 26 because poe start .

[fresh plover]

doubt they will respond in any way, they made one post that they fixed it, what are they gonna say more besdies welp we f'd up

[mental hedge]

besides this belonging into the general channel if at all, what u get from hating on a game and its devs on the games discord?

[dusk pivot]

it reach new lows today like 30k and wait for tomorow when all pob are starting base on patch notes

[topaz kestrel]

What hating ? I am just saying my opinion i reached 550 corrupt finish pinnacle boss then some bug happens that ruin game for me and took my willingess to play last epoch

[mental hedge]

bringing in useless negativity ( wrong channel aswell) is either hating or just raige bait

[fresh plover]

i think negative emotions are more than justified here, its 2nd time the same thing happening without any solutions or defense measures against it

[topaz kestrel]

Useless nagativity ? When someone cant do job properly .....

[mental hedge]

if ya know how to fix bugs then go ahead and help them devs appereantly u know it better

[mental hedge]

place and receiver matters my guy

[fresh plover]

umm bugs is clearly not the main issue, the issue is the system itself, even without bugs we had bot gold farmers and devs themselves said that rmt did more dmg than the dupe itself

[mental hedge]

i repeat if u know it better, iam sure there is an email u can contact to show them the way that all devs of life service games missed

[fresh plover]

bro its channel where people discuss mechant guild, if they wanna talk about dupe or gold or market they can, whats your point let people talk and discuss

[signal leaf]

ppl did pay for a product thet dont Deliver whats it says tbh

[mental hedge]

nowhere near that state lmao

[gaunt maple]

...not sure you are aware, but there are best practices PoE employed in their markets that EHG just straight up ignored or went a different way, so this idea that EHG is just doing what all other live service games with loot do, is a bit asinine and just patently false

[dusk pivot]

well i can tell them 1 thing not doing nothing doesn't help. Take New World explample that crashed because of dupes. Also not waiting 15h after the first forum tread on dupes to answer would help to. And if u claim was night in US i remind u not all devs are in US. All things added isn't a great picture. NO rollback for MG players at least and i know they track who is MG and who is COF. Many things that they could done but lack of action that lead to this.

[bronze bronze]

i noticed alot of duplicated items on the market

[signal leaf]

it is legit from Arbor or runes

[bronze bronze]

how ?

[fresh plover]

its because everyon is farming lightless arbor finally, if you arent doing LA in mg you are basically wasting your time now

[topaz kestrel]

Yea when they have billions of gold they investvin lightless arbor

[fresh plover]

u dont even need billions, u invest like 50 mil with 5 bil returns

[signal leaf]

if they have bilions they dont Farm

[gaunt maple]

Why would anyone farm Lightless Arbor in MG now? Was a viable strategy before hyperinflation, but I think you're better off farming for big drops in this environment

[signal leaf]

or they mby doing some runs but all the items then is just p2p trades

[lean wind]

Dungeon casino is the best content in the game ngl

[signal leaf]

becus it give you 100s of Milions of gold from selling the items

[fresh plover]

cause 3lp peak costs like hundreds of millions and u can farm 2+ per day if u nolife, or because you are playing mage and can drop 4x t7 mana helmets in 1 run and make billion gold

[gaunt maple]

oh got it got it, I confused LA for gold farming

[signal leaf]

MG is just GoldFarming

[gaunt maple]

what i mean is strategies about grinding gold from non-market game interactions

that was a viable strategy to get purchasing power before, it's not anymore really

[signal leaf]

Was the best farming spot befor and still is now you just get more gold,, so is still the best and will cap your gold prety fast

[gaunt maple]

do you think I'm arguing with any point you're making?

[signal leaf]

Non market agme interactions req 2k corruption mby 1k still gives decent gold

[gaunt maple]

are we talking past each other lol? I confused the LA dungeon mechanic with something else, brain fog...I agree it's still the best spot for people who HAVE gold to burn.

[signal leaf]

ye but thet gold you should have after 1 week of the cycel No cap

and if not go check out soulfire baston what the items is worth with lp and go Farm thet

thet are from the gambel or the boss. there is no Pure gold Farming method in this game more thne pushing crazy hioge corruption. last cycel sure was crazy but ppl did 2k after a few days and got 50k-prob 500k after a mono from the chest rewared after the mono when you get out . not the mono rewards. and the one at 5k did get milions ea run

[noble breach]

any specific random reward options to prioritize? asking for a friend 😄

[fresh plover]

helmets, if u are mage/aco/rogue and idols

[noble breach]

t7 mana on amulet or gloves doesnt sell that well?

as a sentinel leonine greathelms are money basically regardless of affixes but it is more like 10s of mils, not hundreds; so not sure what "common" item slots would be the best

[storm mason]

How do you even run t4 arbor? I get clapped on boss by stupid aoe on my 5k ward warlock. It's infuriating.

[fresh plover]

u can do it hitless 😅

[topaz kestrel]

I have only 1.6k hp and doing it even when he hit me

[storm mason]

T4 on 1.6k hp? How?

Also hitless is a fat chance - I barely have time to react to those green aoe circles, let alone dodge out of they. And vine waves are the bane of me.

[fresh plover]

you are warlock, just use transplant over vine wave, as for bolders you always run when he casts it, pretty sure dodge works too so u can profein veil it

[topaz kestrel]

Bleed falconer 30% dodge 9 % parry 60 % endurance 719 treshhold, 102% glanciing blow , -9 %, dmg taken + 26 more if moving

[novel geyser]

welp, react quicker i guess

[topaz kestrel]

Ah and 51% armor

[fresh plover]

also the debuff of vines can be cleansed in case you didnt transplant behind them, so get belt affix

[weary pond]

Just droped Lp3 Flames of Midnight ring, and there's only one listed for 500kk. What's an actual realistic price though?

[storm mason]

You guys make it sound easy, meanwhile I can't even react to falling rocks. The only thing I'm able to evade is the big fist slam he does. Strangely I did not have such issues last cycle as a runemaster, but it was probably due to all the free dr it had.

[fresh plover]

try to profein veil the boulders and as i said when he casts waves wait till it goes a bit and teleport behind it

[signal leaf]

499kk or 600kk if the stats are better

[brisk grove]

hey wanted to ask how hard did i take a L on selling a 5% health 27 health idol i sold it for 16m cause the market made no sense i kept seeing prices all over the place

[shrewd ember]

finally got my Unstable Core bp to drop. no 8 mill for a bad roll for me lol. now to get the unique wand stuff

.

Is there a spreadsheet of all the popular items btw? always scared im going to sell something good for 30k like the unstable core bp lol

[knotty ore]

never get tired of this "dead game" bs ya'll keep yapping here xd

[knotty ore]

very nice! how was the roll?

[tough fern]

Is it possible to sort by rolls when searching bazaar?

[signal leaf]

No and yes the ui For bazzar is bad

[tough fern]

There's uh, 37 pages of idols with mana and ele res; I just gotta scan to figure it out huh? 🥹

[signal leaf]

yes Sadly

[knotty ore]

yeah its really bad, one of the things i hope they'll change with the bazar changes later this cycle

[signal leaf]

the ui changes are not gona come now. and the bazzar is gona die in 1 week becus of the low player base thet are still playing ,and thx to the inflation less item gona hit bazzar with time becus ppl doing p2p trades insteed with Value items thet they think is worth over gold Cap with other items

[knotty ore]

they are making bazar changes later this cycle they've stated that already

and bazar is not going to die in 1 week

[signal leaf]

aha okej missed thet part. ye but it is to late then . but sure if it is nice is gona be there next cycel

[gaunt maple]

sooo, the player base is holding surprisingly strong, we'll see if your hypothesis that there will be a huge dropoff next week bears out...

[signal leaf]

last time the golddupe was abit later this one was way to fast and thet made the game pretty decent for 2 weeks

[knotty ore]

Oh theres definitely going to be a dropoff next week because of the poe league starting, but the game wont be dead because of it

[gaunt maple]

last PoE league was garbage, you're right there probably will be a hit, though

[signal leaf]

week 5 last cycel was like shara on the bazzar you rearly sold anythign and there was never any new items. the game was kind dead. and will prob drop to thet stae once more,

[knotty ore]

i must be one of the few who actually enjoyed necropolis, only thing i hated was that you couldnt disable corpses and the amount of space they took from stash

[signal leaf]

but ye once humen +first decent+Tarisland prob took some ppl befor this cycel started too

[gaunt maple]

I'm just completely done with PoE lol

I hope I like PoE2. looks amazing at least.

[signal leaf]

well we will see how they gona do the trade . they liked EHGs system with ranks etc

[sly quest]

Waiting for Titan Quest 2 too (:

[livid shuttle]

man gold is such an issue with the MG

[glass rune]

I guess there has been nothing new from EHG regarding the market

[fresh plover]

and probably wont be

[compact patio]

Too late lol xD no it’s not

[small jay]

Sigh... the 2 wands i can use on my warlock, at 2lp costs MILLLLLLLIONS of gold. And ive been fsrming echoes and see nothing worth even 1 million in my stash

[tough light]

just dropping by to check if any news, seems like RIP LE

[livid shuttle]

at this rate CoF is looking like the better choice tbh

[small jay]

99% of everything ive looted sits on the Bazaar for 0 gold.

what is this junk? how have ppl made hundreds of millions of gold the HONEST way with this system?

[livid shuttle]

only people who sold red rings to people who duped gold

[small jay]

so sad

[past path]

WTS 3 LP Harbinger of Stars pls DM

[small jay]

i cant buy ANYTHING i need at 2LP due to the items STARTING at a minimum 10 million gold...

[livid shuttle]

at this point im switch back to the Cof for my mage since the drop rates for MG are really bad and i cant buy anything useful with my 800k anyway

only saving grace would be one of those super expensive item and then sell it to actually be able to buy stuff

[small jay]

want t7 cast speed on gloves with TERRIBLE other stats? 5 million.

like..... cmon man

[blazing sentinel]

Yeah this was my first season with MG, I rolled a new character in COF this morning lol they just need to fix the rank 10 bug and it'll be good

[polar schooner]

lol i played COF last season and first time trying out MG as well, this is too wild, everything is millions, how to play?

[mellow monolith]

Sold some junk 2 lp item, i sold 2lp titan heart for 40m and im able to buy entire build full of t7 hybird hp, crit mul with 30m to spare. Mg truely blessed for off meta buuld

[noble breach]

"entire build of T7 hybrid health" except just the belt would be 40M in itself?

and i was giga generous with that lol

[mellow monolith]

It was very cheap 3 days ago

[fringe moon]

Farm and pray the rng gods fine you something good to sell

[noble breach]

yep, and now it is not, which is why everybody is moaning 🙂
dupes destroyed many sections of the market around Sunday, and it's still borked

[fringe moon]

At least it’s not inflated into the billions like in Diablo. Bis gear there can go up to 9,000,000,000 for a pair of gloves with Crit Chance/Attack Speed/Health

[noble breach]

true. only hundreds of millions. yay

[mellow monolith]

Im on vacation for 2 days havent play the market, i earn lots of gold and buy bunch of stuff for cheap during 2 days after dupe fix thought stuff finally chill out lol

[noble breach]

I wish... for reference said market looks like this now, from low to high gold: 30M, 40M, 48M, 200M, 400M, 500M, 589M, 888M, 1B, 1B, and that's the entire market

[fringe moon]

What is the reason for these online arpgs not having a gold inventory cap?

[signal leaf]

they have is 2.1b and is account wide the gold

[fresh plover]

its 64 bit engine

[mellow monolith]

Shouldnt have slap my red ring in an egg then, it would have been nice having safety nest who tf has rank 12 to buy a legendary one

[fresh plover]

no number in the game can exceed 2.1 billion, same as in poe, so there is a cap just by game engine

[signal leaf]

max drop from the chest after you have done a mono is 2.1b 😛 and it prob will req like corruption 100k+

[fringe moon]

I meant why don’t these games cap the gold say, so people don’t sell stuff at excorbitant prices

[signal leaf]

Bazzar is Caped at 1,5b and you can max have 2.1b gold on you

[fringe moon]

Oh ok

[fresh plover]

we wouldnt need a cap tbh if we didnt have dupes but oh well...idk im done with mg anyways

[livid shuttle]

rn the only benifit for MG is getting all the idols that are needed

[fresh plover]

you get that on cof even easier arguabley

[noble breach]

i mean if you arent juicing you are getting your idols from lightless arbor on MG lol

[signal leaf]

what happends now is thet alot of rear uniqs with lp2+ thet is meta etc, items never gona hit the bazzar . ppl gona trade them , and in like 2 weeks the bazzar gona slow down on new items with Lp on etc, this gold dupe was way to erly this time Sadly

[livid shuttle]

eh depends on rng i was farming for a good 2 hours on trying to get idols in cof where i got all the ones with perfet rolls on MG

[small jay]

Thats the issue. Unless you find the item worth milllllions, your screwed. Items either cost 0, or they cost million. No in between

[manic arrow]

how do you search the bazaar for items that have not been legendaried by nemesis? i just need a 0LP item but the first several pages are just full of legendary and 1LP and there is no way to easily find what i need

[small jay]

Select unique in the rarity box

[manic arrow]

ooh thanks. i didnt think of that

[tranquil lagoon]

why are wrongwarps so expensive lul

[small jay]

just found a 1lp twisted heart

aaaaand its worthless...

this ios why MG is a joke... Ivory ring with t6 Int and JUNK other stats is MINIMUM 1 million gold...

29 MILLION for a 2LP barbute

everything worth ANYTHING with MILLIONS of gold... screw this

[dapper sky]

anyone have a talons of valor with lp3 or 4 they'd sell?

[small jay]

Sold a marinas lost soul yesterday for 90,000 cos the lowest buyout for it at the time was 100,000 for the exact same 1LP. Now? 45 MILLION for a 1LP marinas.. like WTF is this joke?

this market is the dumbest thing ive ever seen

i feel stuck using MG, i want to go to CoF cos MG is full of scum players who dupe gold. But my gear wont be useable

[still flower]

u need diamond hands

[livid shuttle]

i feel lucky that i have cof at 7 on my other class and that my mage only has 2 pieces and all my idols from the MG so i can switch with not too much hassle

[small jay]

yeah its redic. ppl are selling high due to RMT and gold selling sites selling it super cheap due to duping

[livid shuttle]

tbh only reason i would have stayed in MG is to get gold to by stash tabs since it cost alot at this point

[small jay]

Marinas lost souls with 1 LP were 100,000 yesterday. And today the MINIMUM they are is 100,000,000 for 1LP. Like what is happening here?

[cosmic compass]

theres always next cycle

[merry wolf]

we had dupes again? i saw altaria ring high again

[finite trench]

Just swap to cof man, use your scuffed gears in the meanwhile.

Pay 100k favor, get like 3 lp2 wrongwarp and 10 lp 2 mariana

[merry wolf]

i dropped altarias ring 2 days ago and bought my whole gear 😄 sure i will go cof 😄

[vocal owl]

Is MG worth it if my first toon is the glacier sorc, a very popular build?

[finite trench]

please come to cof

[cosmic compass]

what do u mean by this

[small jay]

In CoF you pay favour to get Prophecies. Prophecies are like quests that have an objective. For example: kill 10 rares - reward: 5 x unique wand

[cosmic compass]

whats the odds u actually get those items tho isnt it random

[small jay]

You pick which prophecy hub to choose from. You know exactly what youre buying with your favour

When you get high enough in ranks you can do prohecies that explode with 20-30 uniques at once

[fallen gale]

there are a lot of offers on the market where 4 absolutely identical things are put up at once: the same high cost, the same parameters, and put up in 1 minute. scammers learned to copy things 4 times?

[sick imp]

Lightless arbor duplication

[fallen gale]

I thought that they just made a copy of the thing using a rune. however, there are 4 copies at once and all with the same potential. this is all very unpleasant

[sick imp]

u can copy even 10 times, depends on luck

[fallen gale]

How?

[sick imp]

Gold sink in ligtless arbor

You got 10 boons, and max 6 chest so you get " 1 exalted helmets chest" then duplicate chest twice 1x2 = 2 then triplicate chest 2x3=6 and all 7 boons go into more exalted items in chest or duplicate items in chest, then u got like 6 chest with 10 items duplicated by few times

So if you got 1/60 good item it will duplicate few times and you can sell it, however best is to do dung tier 4 for better odds, tier 3 dungeon is good just for idols

For normal prices is meh strategy but in current state of trade is good way to get into market

[fallen gale]

Thanks a lot! My build doesn’t yet have the survivability of a T4 dungeon, so now I’ll try T3 for idols

[fresh plover]

t4 and t3 chests are the same, its only worse boss drops which also sell well

[fallen gale]

Excellent! Спасибо)

[fresh plover]

just be aware that u need at least 20-40 mil budget as starting point

[sick imp]

I believe area level has impact on amount of t6vs t7 drops from chest but its just my feeling

[fallen gale]

i have 98 000 000

[fresh plover]

u good then

[small jay]

Probably payed for it. Its like $1

[fervent schooner]

are you good dude? just an hour before this you said they were 45 million

[livid shuttle]

the real issue is getting that starting amout

[bitter zenith]

Hi guys. I decided that I was going to play merchants guild for the first time this cycle. and I didn't realize it at the time, but I made the mistake of picking one of the most popular meta builds. I'm a glacier sorcerer. I've run into this funny problem where there are no upgrades left in gear that I can get for myself unless I start to chase things that cost hundreds of millions of gold. I found and sold a red ring for 600 million.. but I'm thinking what I would do with that instead is play a cheaper class to gear out. and that's where my question comes in. is there something that would be cheaper to play but is still powerful and fun?

[still flower]

just push through with your initial build

i don't see what is the problem. You aren't that soft, right?

[bitter zenith]

I have one item left that is reasonable to upgrade. the other items would be very impactful but would cost more than I am willing to invest. I'm talking 200 million for bad rolls. kind of not worth it. and yes I still have problems with my build and character. I die a lot and cannot really do bosses very well

because of that, I'm thinking that it might be more effective to play a less popular class that could be fully kitted out and play that for a while while I wait for prices to stabilize

[still flower]

the items that you'd pick up can sell well retrospectively.

[bitter zenith]

what do you mean by this? I can't sell back anything that I buy when prices are this insane

[still flower]

the LOOT that you sell

your gear upgrades may cost billions, doesn't mean the T7 u found killing mobs arent worth jack

it goes both ways

[dapper vapor]

the market really isnt stabilizing very well tho. Im playing an extremely nieche homebrew build ive not yet seen anyone talk about and even here items are extremely volatile. I quickly snatched up a 4LP Soulfire with almost max rolls for 4 mil the night before gold dupe happened. there were easily 15+ affordable 4LP soulfires on the market. in the last 3-4 days, I havent even seen a single one listed. this morning one went up, for 1.5 billion lol

still needs quite some time id reckon

[still flower]

and u need to pray there are enough player numbers who will inevitably grind up more n more gold and devalues the prices of items over time

[bitter zenith]

The best mage idols for my build (it uses 4 of the same one) have flat mana and mana% on them. The problem is that a max roll of mana% with zero flat mana is 2 million per idol, and any roll (mostly terrible and numbers that would end up less than 8% mana total) goes for 200mil ++

I was told that last cycle people waited for prices to stabilize after the dupe and it never happened.

[still flower]

sell them all, then buy what u need to buy, at all costs

i played MG in the 1st cycle, i was active in the bazaar for 3 months. Even item duplication didn't faze me.

However the sudden ingame high lag turned me off and I simply faded into D4 season 4.

[dapper vapor]

the item drought seems to be the worse problem. there used to be pages upon pages of most items since people had to sell alot buy alot, but with duped gold, the whole catalog just gets sold out instantly. this will take a long time to restabilize

[bitter zenith]

this.
you have to pay absurd prices to compete with the people snatching up any decent item.
I did this for most of my gear slots but some things I refuse to engage with the pricing going on.

[still flower]

that's the solution in my eyes.

"whole catalog gets sold out instantly"

farm stuff and sell everything, u will net a lot of money

[bitter zenith]

gold cap is 2.1 billion, it becomes incredibly cumbersome to spend over half that much on a single item

[dapper vapor]

you dont need to repeat the same suply/demand market principles everyone knows, obv. the inflation doesnt mean much when everyone is also a supplier. its just that the market got pretty much swiped clean twice without replacement and still needs some time to even recover with enough listing

question is, if that will happen. didnt go too well in cycle 1, unfortunately

[still flower]

the other way is more obvious, aka quit the game

[dapper vapor]

haha yeah youre right about that. probably the best solution

[still flower]

i have not touched 1.1 yet. i reckon i can make a tank build n start churning out gold

[lean wind]

You can run T4 arbors, get a chest + helms and you'll be there in 10-20 runs.

[small jay]

What baffles me is the price jump from 1LP items to 2LP.

1 LP? 10,000.

2LP? 100,000,000

[compact patio]

Being able to buy 4LP unique is a steal in itself. With good build I don’t need items this much so it’s rather smooth experience for me. Even IF I started 5 days late

I only wonder who is spamming this crap legendary items from nemesis that almost no one can buy with useless affixes. It’s just waste of favour.

[small jay]

Gives em rep

[compact patio]

I rather save favour for some good items, rep goes fast anyway

[small jay]

The whole MG systems buggered anyway

[knotty ore]

you can get by without mana and mana%, i've done all the content in the game with my sorc and don't have a single bis idol. They're good upgrades but not necessary

[compact patio]

If you need top idols or 2-4LP with T6/7 slams to grind corruption 300+ and kill abberoth your build is just trash.

[knotty ore]

you can get workaround upgrades instead of the bis upgrades the build guides suggest, still progress and get stronger but not paying 200m+ for everything

[small jay]

You dont need them. I just became accustomed to having minimum 2LP when i was CoF

[knotty ore]

the price difference between 1 and 2 lp kinda makes sense. the difference would be equally big even without the gold dupe, just instead of say 1m to 100m it would be 100k to 10m or something

the 2lp+ price is highly tied to 0lp price which is up because people gamba, and 1lp price is dirt cheap because theres no nemesis gamba to be done with them

[small jay]

10,000 to 100,000,000 for 1 LP more?

[knotty ore]

Try reading what i said, and i really havent seen cases awere 1lp is 10k and 2lp is 100m, i have seen cases where 1lp is 1m and 2lp 100m etc. And yes, if you read my message i explain why there is such a huge difference

[frosty verge]

The economy is so damm inflated I feel all my motivation evaporate unless EHG intervenes. All the 2+ LP uniques i might need are in the 50 m and above lol. And then the slamming might fail and you need to buy even more.

Like let MG transfer over to CoF whilst being able to keep our items and reputation if theyre dead set on not doing anything

[knotty ore]

"Like let MG transfer over to CoF whilst being able to keep our items and reputation if theyre dead set on not doing anything" This is something me and a lot of others have suggested already as well, would be nice option to have. Meanwhile, if you can handle t4 dungeons and don't hate doing them, soulfire bastion and lightless arbor are very good way to make gold easily, allowing to buy those inflated items as well

[novel geyser]

It's already too late to intervened anyway, now you either quit or just live with it

[torn inlet]

are dungeons that good to make gold?

[still flower]

yeah every passing day coul contribute a ton to a new char in COF

[knotty ore]

Very good. Lightless arbor needs some capital to fully benefit from the gamba system, but peaks of the mountain sell well if you happen to get lp3 or a good 0lp roll even. t4 soulfire bastion has 1/5 chance to drop the belt that sells at around 10m 0lp, and if u happen to get a 2lp one ur rich

[torn inlet]

fair enough

[strange whale]

The problem isn't the dungeon itself, it's the constant disconnection that comes with it.

[knotty ore]

Havent had a single issue there for the past 30-40 dungeons

[strange whale]

Then you're lucky.

[frosty verge]

Never bothered with the dungeons much last cycle, but its the boss drops thats the gold income or? And one of them has the gold sink thingie which i tried as i was playing CoF but didnt feel very impactful for the amount of gold i put in

[knotty ore]

Soulfire bastion it's mainly the boss drops yes. But can also get lucky with the soul vendor. Lightless arbor boss drops can be very good as well, but the main profit comes from the gold sink gamba

[novel geyser]

You're in MG's channel bud
alot of MG's logic doesnt apply to COF

oops nvm i misread. Im dumb

[frosty verge]

I know im in the MG channel, i was talking about last cycle on my cof char i tried dumping some gold but didnt feel very rewarding

[knotty ore]

It's the only way you can properly target farm items in MG, or at least the most efficient way, for the ones that are available there, so helmets, jewellery, idols for example

the gamba might cost you 5m a run, but if yo utarget farm helmets for example, and get 200 helmets, most likely at least few of them have something decent affix that sells.

[frosty verge]

Is there any tactics to the gold gamba? Or just pray to RNG Jesus?

[novel geyser]

You''ll never have the amount of gold to make it meaningful if you''re in COF
Even with MG. It only becomes wildly profitable becuase of the gold dupe

[knotty ore]

there is yes. you decide the item you want to try, so probably the one that has most t7 affixes that sell well, and then you pick that chest, duplicate, triplicate and take all the chances to duplicate items

[frosty verge]

Is there 3rd party tools akin to poe.ninja where you can track pretty much everything? I have no idea whats the meta etc

[knotty ore]

there is last epoch tools but it's not nearly as widely used as poe.ninja. You kinda just have to know what is meta. You can check max roll as well and check which builds they have ranked as S tier, those are most likely the popular builds

And then check the items those builds use and they're most likely what you're looking for to make big bucks

[frosty verge]

Kk, maxroll is legit for LE? For some games theyre just horribly off :p

[knotty ore]

Maxroll is pretty good for LE, i'd say its even one of their best games they cover

[compact patio]

Maxroll is ok but better just look for some degenerate on YouTube with 20 subs doing 8k corruption or one shorting abberoth and build around this guy.

[wet raft]

idk for mana stacker sorc they didnt even mention spamming static orb which oneshots bosses and scales insanely well with mana. Just glacier and cold dmg

[frozen rune]

They're off with LE as well lol. I see you're in TFT discord, which means you've played PoE, don't go to maxroll then. Last epoch tools has probably the greatest diversity of builds right now and can have some actually good one''s, although there are builds that have only rare items in the planner lol

[frozen rune]

Without a dupe you need to get lucky on a pretty consistent rate with LA. WIth dupe, the relative cost is basically pennies and there's no risk in running it until you run out of keys.

[grim flint]

Wakey wakey , its time for MG fix 🙂

[frozen rune]

5 more minutes mom, wake me up when red rings drop from 1 gazillion gold to 1 bazillion gold.

[vestal sable]

MG any fun in 1.1? Not talking from a efficiency perspective, just asking if other people that enjoy the economy side of things in ARPGs find it fun

[sullen valve]

No, the interface is horrible. You can't search properly for what you want without using gimmicks and wasting a ton of time. That makes pricing a monstrous chore, only for buyers not to even find your stuff because it's not top of first page.

[knotty ore]

The UI is bad, but overall i enjoy it

[frozen rune]

Like Ramza said, interface is horrible, you can't search for a t7 and t5 mod at the same time, economy isn't super complex. MG is all about efficiency - instead of waiting for a unique to drop, you buy it for 0 gold.

[signal leaf]

is fun till you hit Gold cap, but sadly it remove the argue to rly farm for a long time, (nolife style),

[knotty ore]

You don't really buy completed gear pieces either. You usually sell and buy affixes, and then craft urself. At least thats how i do it, makes selling stuff easier as well

[compact patio]

Don’t expect LE to be „trading” game. It’s rather another way to earn gear rather than gameplay style in itself.

If you want to fulfill trader fantasy choose something else.

[sullen valve]

POE trading is fun (and D4 somewhat was in D4 despite all issues with non-official trading sites) aside from the fact you need to message/contact and teleport to their hideout. I hope PoE2 will have in-game trading similar to LE... hopefully with a good UI.

[compact patio]

PoE is based on trade, LE is not

[sullen valve]

Well yeah, LE MG was put together at the last minute if I remember correctly, but honestly if they fix the UI and maybe create an API so we can pull stats from it , it will be quite enjoyable.

Add PoE-like corruption mechanic where you can brick or improve the unique stats or up a tier on one of its effects and it's good to go

[compact patio]

I just use MG to minmax my main and get gear for alts.

[sullen valve]

Corruption only T8 or something haha, let's brick some perfect items

[compact patio]

Something to make rares and maybe blues useful again. Now with powercreep they are useless.

[vestal sable]

Thanks for the answers people! Will prolly go CoF then this time around

[sullen valve]

Not too hard. Just give a rare boss drop or something similar that can add a random T6-T7 to blue/yellow

[compact patio]

Exactly, so dropping blue base with perfect rolls is good drop.

[frozen rune]

PoE trading is fun, PoE traders are not

[cinder nest]

meh poe trade hurts my soul, you always have to scroll through 200ppl to trade ur currency

[sullen valve]

Yeah, but easily fixed with a currency trading only AH.

[dapper sky]

Does trading face to face use any favor?

[small jay]

You cant trade face to face unless you played with the person in a group

[dapper sky]

What do they mean "buy items directly from other players" in the faction screen then?

[novel geyser]

that is gifting, trading != gifting

you can trade face to face, and it's the same as trading through bazaar

[dapper sky]

Same favor cost?

[novel geyser]

yes

[dapper sky]

that is really lame and unfortunate. need to buy stuff too lol

[novel geyser]

? What is the point of a MG if you can just freely pvp trade without any cost

[gaunt maple]

The market is essentially in two tiers right now, there's the "normal" or "non-luxury" market that includes most rares worth getting for alts, mid-demand uniques, and some moderately good exalteds...and then there's the "luxury" items, which include most exalted affixes needed for good builds and the most in-demand LP and non-LP uniques. Now, obviously, we should expect the latter to be significantly more expensive than the former, but since the gold exploit, that luxury category is an order of magnitude more expensive than it was prior to gold exploit, while the non-luxury market hasn't changed much. That means that the wealth you generate in the non-luxury market no longer serves as an efficient on-ramp to luxury market. Whereas before you could efficiently trade and save to be able to enter the luxury market and make some strong purchases once you hit the right faction level, now you can do nothing but wait for your first big drop that allows you to enter that space. It feels really really bad and makes early transactions pointless except to make barely incremental progress within the non-luxury market.

[novel geyser]

exactly this. Before gold dupe, you can make bank to aim for luxury items by selling good rares/nice exalted because the difference in prices between them are not too big, and the supply for luxury is quite abundance because noone has enough the gold to hold the buying power of "buy everything in sight" level. Now you have 2 problems: 1 - the difference in market value between the luxury and entry items. 2 - the supply, when the luxury that you're trying to get(which is let's say few millions over your bank account) get instantly bought out by ppl with infinite gold

[gaunt maple]

There's a huge span of time between maxing out what you can accomplish in the non-luxury market, essentially maximizing your character's stats to the extent that's possible and getting access to the luxury market. Which essentially feels like just not playing with a faction at all for a long long time in game.

[novel geyser]

Problem 1 is kinda inevitable becuase after a while, there won't be new players anymore, so the demand for entry level item decrease. But problem 2 is what the experienced players know that would kill MG

[frozen rune]

yeah i've been trying to explain that for the past 2 days to some people

[round wasp]

It's so eerily close to real life, I'm just enjoying being on the rich side this time around. Sitting in the market waiting for the worker bees to bring me my treats

[narrow mulch]

which item can u even buy in ah rn even if u have 2,2b or w.e gold cap is

[round wasp]

If you play even slightly off meta having a billion gold is just like having a billion gold

[novel geyser]

you can buy a lot, but you have to camp and refresh constantly and try to snipe

which turns the game into refreshing emulator

[narrow mulch]

ok I mean it like there were a bunch of lp1 red rings which were fine they are valuable they cost like 70mil, gold cap is like 2,2b thats totally fine and ofc valuable items should cost much, but now if u have lp1 red ring u sell it for 1,5b which means u can buy 1 single red ring with gold cap and thats all idk makes no sense to me why ehg thinks this is fine

[novel geyser]

ppl with just a little bit experience no longer sells luxury item for gold cap anymore, they go to RMT market

[gaunt maple]

Over time, yes, but the distance between early market items and late game items is beyond extreme right now. It should not be like this just two weeks into season. And it's very clearly driven by hyperinflation from gold trading and the gold exploit

[novel geyser]

yeah i'm agreeing with you

[narrow mulch]

cool bro, but i dont think it should be like that do what u want sell rmt but im more interested in playing a non broken game than buying an upgrade for 10€ or w.e the prices are

[novel geyser]

i also dont think it should be like that, just stating reality

[narrow mulch]

alr, might have missed ur point then mb

[compact patio]

Abuse early and abuse often

[frozen rune]

true

[signal leaf]

or the p2p trade becus of gold cap

[novel geyser]

p2p trade also has goldcap

[signal leaf]

yes but you trade items for items

[novel geyser]

oh yeah. that would be fine tho

[signal leaf]

ye thet what happend last cycel 1 week of inflation was still fine with gear . second week the bazzar started to slow down on the decent items

[novel geyser]

do you happen to know any p2p trading discord, i want to join that. Things i want to buy no longer can be bought by gold

[signal leaf]

no im to lazy for thet .. but dont they have LE trad on same discord as the poe one

im even to lazy to trade in d4 if the items are not worth alot

[dapper sky]

like what?

[frozen rune]

1.2 is CoF league

[compact patio]

1.2 will probably not change endgame much

[frozen rune]

you can try your luck on The Sanctum Market

[novel geyser]

3LP Shackles, 3LP twisted heart, 2LP good roll Orian

[frozen rune]

LMAFO GOOD LUCK

[novel geyser]

I also have some pieces which value far surpasses 1.5b to trade

[novel geyser]

I know 🤷🏽‍♂️

[compact patio]

How to trade something like that lol

[signal leaf]

but from the look of it alot of mg hardcore farmes alredy quited this cycel

[scarlet beacon]

MG deadge, everyone in my friend circle dumped it after 2nd dupe

[signal leaf]

ppl did like go kill the new boss then gg and now they preping for poe

[novel geyser]

I know. Those who has banks stop farming becuase ... they have banks. Those who dont have banks stop becuase farming is pointless

[compact patio]

Cashed income and left for new Poe league

[novel geyser]

well you can still do arbor but not many ppl have the knowledge or the patient for that

[signal leaf]

Monos is so boring

[scarlet beacon]

econ is dumb af, 3LP items that where 100k are now 50-100mil idk why anyone still playing lol

[signal leaf]

dont play meta builds and problem solved abit less populer builds are cheeper

[narrow mulch]

no lol

[scarlet beacon]

???????

[narrow mulch]

u cant expect everyone to play off meta

[frozen rune]

if you dont play meta builds why even play MG

[novel geyser]

even offmeta build will use some popular items here and there. Those items are popular for a reason

[compact patio]

I don’t treat MG as only way to gear so I will play to the fullest this cycle

[scarlet beacon]

bro the items where 200k when there was MORE people playing before the dupes? what are you chatting

[signal leaf]

becus is far easyer to start new charrs with mg becus gear is 0 gold

[narrow mulch]

this one ^

[frozen rune]

But you need to have levels for that gear. Which means you probably have enough gear from levelling up your first character

[compact patio]

CoF would probably be better experience for strange builds

[scarlet beacon]

why even play trade my guy, just go CoF if you prefer that, but as for me im not farming the same thing for multiple days to get a 3lp roll that can brick. its simply not worth the time investment with how many other games out there that dont have destroyed econs

[signal leaf]

you using low slamed gear for lvling then when you hit 83 you eq all gear you did buy so your build is complited

[compact patio]

I will never get „everything” I want in CoF. MG is easier to fill blanks for me. Also CoF is much more time consuming I think, too much trash to look through.

[scarlet beacon]

i have everything for my build outside of items that are insane drop rates or not target farmable and cost 100m-2bil, no point me going further when my exalteds are almost bis

[compact patio]

What build did you choose ?

[scarlet beacon]

why would that even matter? but bladedancer shadow daggers

[compact patio]

Just curious what items are you talking about 😛

[narrow mulch]

i mean for example try getting lp3 mortality grasp with 16 int, necro restist t5 and t5 cast speed, i got mine for 4mil total and it took me maybe some hours of farming for it now days u can cba getting them with just a bit of playing unless ur lucky

they take about 3 tries i believe thats about 600mil alone and thats only if u dont care about the stas for the gloves and then u need the exalted ones too 3 times

[frozen rune]

CoF is awesome for streamers

[compact patio]

That’s true. I want to test a lot of builds in 1.1 so MG drama for me 🤣

[tender canyon]

is it ok to ask for help pricing an item here?

[sour seal]

How do I rank up? The items I put up rarely sell and I’m always running out of favor to buy stuff. This is my first time trying the merchants guild

[dapper sky]

Ribbons of blood LP3, is it really worth a lot or are the ones on the bazaar never going to sell?

[novel geyser]

never sell, noone uses that ring

[tiny gazelle]

you level by earning and spending favor - items selling or not doesn't really matter. You earn favor by killing enemies

[mellow monolith]

My problem with cof is if i want to never interact with other player i would just play grim dawn prep for new dlc, superior single player game with more update and my progression isnt lost every 3 months, also i cant give my friend gear even when both r in cof without resonance still bs

[sour seal]

Thanks!

[gaunt maple]

I dunno...I played CoF in 1.0 and I basically hoarded every legendary and exalted I found...I had like 100 stash tabs lol. Because of that, I had a starter pack for any build imaginable. I would typically always have a 2LP low level legendary I could slam and produce great starting gear for any build, and then the exalteds necessary to scale later 🤷‍♂️

It was increadily easy to gear alts

and it's not like I had a better gold sink than stash tabs anyway. I mean LA sure, but I wasn't a big fan of running that dungeon

I kind of regret not playing CoF again honestly and I'll definitely hesitate to play MG in future cycles. It's soooo risky.

[forest schooner]

Anyone know of a good loot filter for Merchant guild?

[compact patio]

The Sanctum Market discord but they don’t want to update it anymore because of dupes etc

[gaunt maple]

I mean I can't blame them. If EHG doesn't care about their economy why should they?

[nimble trout]

Can you explain a bit more about what you mean by risky? I did CoF on my first character though did not do much endgame. Second character now planning to run more in the end game.

[gaunt maple]

By risky I mean that EHG has not signalled they're willing to regulate their market when economic shocks occur...so we're left putting all our chips into the "prevention" basket. Whether or not I ever play MG again depends on how confident I am they will be able to prevent duping exploits that break the economy. I am NOT confident in this. So playing MG and trying to get the experience they intended is risky in that way, due to this lack of confidence. I will not be playing MG in 1.2 unless there's some major announcment by EHG that can change my mind. I think playing MG is just a bad value prop overall at this time. Yes, you can probably progress faster technically than CoF still, but the experience getting there feels much worse to me, if that makes sense.

[ember stream]

do you all know anywhere I can get a price check on items?

[topaz kestrel]

still no news about gold bug fix or something 😛 ?

[scarlet beacon]

doubt they will

[coarse veldt]

"dont play whats fun bc devs do nothing"

[scarlet beacon]

yeah how dare you play whats popular, thats cringe and deserves it

[topaz kestrel]

It's a pity because i still wanted to play this game but right now i have zero desire to play this :P.

[scarlet beacon]

ye my circle of homies all quit no point when econ is this fried and devs do nothing

[topaz kestrel]

yup i have market items cant change factions and cant buy items because of those sh... prices 😛

[knotty ore]

It really isnt that fried apart from some items

[scarlet beacon]

it is unreasonable to expect everyone to want to reroll lesser known builds and re level characters or play anything that feels fun or good to them. sure you can cherry pick some "strong" items that arent fried but the majority are beyond saving unless the devs do a gold reset.

[knotty ore]

im literally playing one of the most expensive and most played builds and so far havent really ran across an issue upgrading my build

[glass rune]

which build

[signal leaf]

50% of my friend stoped becus multiplayer is crap , Rest just dont whant to Farm monos all over one more time and they starting poe soon any way

[scarlet beacon]

good for you? every upgrade for my and my friends builds at this point costs upwards of 100m now for bad rolls

[knotty ore]

coc meteor glacier sorc + static orb

[signal leaf]

Well like the Goblins says Time is money

[knotty ore]

Don't want to farm monos sounds more like they arent enjoying the core gameplay, which is totally fair reason to not play

[glass rune]

Then you're either a liar, or have had very good luck with drops, because I've been playing a glacier build and upgrades are nearly impossible at this point

[signal leaf]

Farming monos is fun till you run out of movies and series to watch

[scarlet beacon]

no monos are a little dull but so are a lot of activities in Poe and other aRPG's the issue comes from doing 200 mono's at 500+ corruption and not getting a single upgrade to your build?

[knotty ore]

Or then, i just play the game and do what i find profitable, while also spending a lot of time at the bazaar looking for good deals. "either very good luck or you're a liar" or, instead of yapping about bad market im playing the market and the game having fun

[knotty ore]

that is fair, i mostly watch something while i blast as well xd

[scarlet beacon]

if progression feels bad and unatainable people stop playing thats kinda just it, you can say well people could fix there own problems all you want but it doesnt make people want to deal with the BS of a destroyed economy

[signal leaf]

but maps in poe is Far more fun in some werd way .

[knotty ore]

more variety, and faster pace, and also more stuff to loot in general

[glass rune]

You know what, it's great that you are having fun, but the market is destroyed for the vast amount of players that play MG. You act as if I don't check the market and scour for things as well, which I do. This all doesn't change that the market is 100% in a bad place

[signal leaf]

yeep monos now feels like Farming nightmare dungons in d4 Sadly

[knotty ore]

mg is most definitely not destroyed for the vast majority, quite the opposite. Also you really do sound like you don't check the market and do anything for the gold except complain about fried economy

[blazing sentinel]

I think they said in a statement that they fixed the bug very early and they are going to let the market auto correct. And that's about it

[scarlet beacon]

the smugness is strong with this one "no you guys arent allowed to be unhappy with the state of the game when im having FUN"

[signal leaf]

well some of us dont rly have a problem to buy items for 100m or even 1b. legit

[knotty ore]

Ahh, yes, that's excactly what I said. So calling me a liar and arguing against me having fun and finding ways to play the market and progress my build is fine, but me saying anything except "yes devs suck game sucks economy sucks" is a big no no?

[scarlet beacon]

my guy when did i call you a liar chill, you have been telling people they got nothing to complain here for what reason? just to antagonise people? let people have their own opinions man

[knotty ore]

It was the other guy but same conversation so might as well have that in the same reply. I've not told people have nothing to complain about, I've said the market is not dead and fried like everyone keeps saying. Some things are ridicolously expensive, mut most things are not. I've multiple times said the situation sucks myself but i try to keep finding ways to keep going because im enjoying my time?

[scarlet beacon]

"yapping about the bad market" yeah totally not antagonising anyone unhappy with the state of the market💀

[knotty ore]

Everyone gets to have their opinion untill when i say that in my opinion bazaar is still working by the most part

[glass rune]

Because you are objectivly incorrect about the market. It is in a really bad place if you want to play anything remotely meta. No goldsinks means that inflation has trickled to a ton of other items.

[scarlet beacon]

bro is one of those guys who flames other people and then gets all upity when they clap back

[glass rune]

Yeah, and opinions can be wrong, just like yours is here.

[round wasp]

the market is not dead but the market is bad right now because the selection of items moving is very very low https://imgur.com/a/32V60vX

[scarlet beacon]

ma boy out here a shining white knight to defend the devs from critism

[signal leaf]

just so you know the devs realry reads this discords

[glass rune]

https://tenor.com/view/moonflip-shillteam-shillteamassemble-mflip-assemble-gif-24959351

[knotty ore]

How have I flamed anyone here? We're talking about opinions here are we not? Only thing that's been anywhere close to flaming or beign rude is when i was called a liar for saying what my experience was mate. I don't defent the devs from critisism, i've critisied the situation myself as well. I defend devs from the MINORITY that goes overboard and demand compensation and answers for every single thing that happens

And instead of just immediately agreeing with you guys with a "yeah dead market dead game" I said i've done good playing the market and im managign just fine upgrading my build? What excactly was wrong there

[scarlet beacon]

dude read your messages they are antagonising to anyone having issues with the market, if you cant see that im not gonna hold your hand like a baby and teach you social comunication skills

[scarlet beacon]

lmao 💀 it happens in every game discord

[knotty ore]

This one i can give you as rude and antagonizing

[knotty ore]

Yes? Does that make it fine

[scarlet beacon]

anyway lets chill on this i dont see us seeing eye to eye and it should be kept civil

[topaz kestrel]

You can just check steam charts and how many players they lost because of this bug , levaing gold and do nothing not helping it.

[knotty ore]

We really don't know what they're doing about it. Afaik theres a stream happening tomorrow and I assume and hope we get answers then.

and potato idk if you've been reading t he general chat the past few days but its been a literal warzone where people trash the devs and call them names for evey single thing they can find in the game

[scarlet beacon]

ye thats the other issue, the devs hand waved the problem by saying they fixed it (they didn't a second dupe happened) and that the market is "stabalising" that kind of communication tends to rub people the wrong way and cause resentment

[frozen rune]

And what do you think they're gonna do about it? They're gonna say they're sorry, that this shouldn't have happened, but they've banned 100 accounts out of 10000 RMTers and they're gonna continue to target them.

[scarlet beacon]

it sucks when people are toxic towards creatives for sure i agree but i can see why its happening

[topaz kestrel]

You can check red ring 1 day after bug 140 m next day 400 today i checked 900 for 0 lp

[knotty ore]

And I obviously don't have the answer? They're gonna do what they think is the best solution and thats 100% guaranteed. Their main point is to retain players. The damage has happened with the dupe. They can't do a rollback, that would be the worst thing and that way they would lose the most players. It might very well be that the least bad thing for business is to just let the market play itself out

[knotty ore]

Is there something to back the 2nd dupe? Havent heard about that one at all

And no, im not with EHG on this one and supporting whatever is going on and just being happy about it. Im just not dooming them because I can only assume it's been a damn harsh week for them with the week starting with gold dupe, the dungeon crashing issues and whatever else theres been this week. It's not like they're just like "haha fk em players lets not fix the issue" if they could easily fix those things we can probably all agree that they would do that?

[topaz kestrel]

Maybe they should go back to beta .... to many bugs

[signal leaf]

agree i still se it as a beta and Wating for 1.5 . ithink they have moved to quickly forward with all stuff. old bugs are still there . memory leak happends . etc etc

and i still think there is a Few ISP provider problems too but Far last then last cycel

[topaz kestrel]

Doublet of onos tull 3 lp yesterday 6m , today 330m xd

Atlaria 400m for 0lp

[novel geyser]

dont worry markte is stablizing

[topaz kestrel]

In wrong way xdddd

[knotty ore]

Most items from what i've seen today have gone down quite a bit actually. Eearlier today a lot of things we're almost reasonable even. But it also seems like during evening (for me) when americans get on prices spike up again

[signal leaf]

d2 dupes Got delieted d4 dupes got Delited . so why could they not just remove the gold 😛

[knotty ore]

because that would kill the game

[signal leaf]

it dident kill any of thete games

[topaz kestrel]

Not i will not kill the game if they did in after dupe

[knotty ore]

did they do it 5 days after and after the gold had been distributed to the legit community?

[round wasp]

pretty much everyones money is already worthless, there's barely a functional difference and a gold reset would actually stabilize market prices

[knotty ore]

Yeah ideal would've been if they did a rollback immediately when it happened. But I for one don't know how rollbacks work and how hard it is to do, and it was also during weekend so the fact that they even got to fix it before monday was a miracle

[knotty ore]

Minority of the game plays MG, and vast majority are super casual players who arent even imagining buying multiple lp items. Resetting gold would hurt the casual players the most, and theres a lot more of them than there are us

[signal leaf]

3-4 days and on d4 . d2 was to long time to remeber in d2 they added item ide and Delited all thet did have same id

and they did keep deliting duped items from time to time

[topaz kestrel]

Just delete all gold and give 1 m each player .

[knotty ore]

It really doesnt work like that

[round wasp]

they should have a plan in place that also compensates cof players, but as is the game is not functional for half of the factions due to circumstance

[signal leaf]

Best solution whould ahve be to give the items back and deliet the gold the trades

[novel geyser]

i wonder what would the optimist have to say if this happen the third time next season, and EHG would react the same

[knotty ore]

Like again, from personal perspective yes gold reset would be nice. But for the longevity of the game it would be bad because the absolute casual players are the majority, you just cant take gold away from everyone in the game

[round wasp]

it IS going to happen again, the only reasonable thing is to assume it will and have some kind of mitigation measures planned for 3rd cycle

[signal leaf]

i just think they are to FEw and it is to mutch work

[novel geyser]

surely they will have a planned reaction after two times it had happened
RIGHT

[signal leaf]

but ye ithink the Date of this cycel was kind bad too . to close to poe and a few other populer games did come out and today TOL have open beta

the player thet took the bigest hit is the biggest % of the players, and thet % of players spend often alot on MTX

[topaz kestrel]

When this cycle end , we will have poe 2 start and players lost trust in this game so i assume next cycle maybe 20k players for start.

[signal leaf]

first cycel was at a good date . Was mid d4 season and was like 1 monthe away from poe

if they did have keept the date thet was in the plane it whould be more ppl playing

[knotty ore]

The cycle probably wasnt ready to be done earlier, and they didnt want to postpone it further? If all they thought about was when other arpgs cycles start it would be quite difficult

[glass rune]

This is IMO, the biggest issue at this point. The fact that we got one post that said "Everything is fine" and what looks like a new dupe was discovered and they have been radio silent. So the perception is that they are doing nothing and ignoring the problem, even if that is not the case

[signal leaf]

yes it was not . but the problem there is thet you losing your playerbase

[knotty ore]

Im 99% sure it was mentioned yesterday by either avarielle or then it was someone from ehg team that they've been talking about them drastic measures to solve the inflation

[signal leaf]

yes they just scerd to hurt somone thets it

[knotty ore]

No it really isnt that. They're trying to find out whats the solution that hurts them the least

[glass rune]

That would be great if so and that they should be publishing this kind of thing out there, as I haven't seen it

[signal leaf]

but doing nothing is hurting them more

[knotty ore]

I highly doubt it. Giving false promises before knowing what they're doing would cause an even bigger uproar

[glass rune]

Speaking out that they are looking into solutions and working on them, however, would not. They should have made an updated post on reddit and the Forums about it

[knotty ore]

They know how people react. They don't want to just throw stuff out there and answer questions with "well we could do this or this" and then when they don't do that and do something else it would cause a massive uproar. and @glass rune I agree that they should've done a post like that

[novel geyser]

surely they will come up with a genius solution after a week of thinking right

[glass rune]

They don't have to promise solutions, but an acklowedgement of there still being issues and they are working to solve them is like basic PR. Right now it looks like to the vast majority of people they are doing nothing and burying their heads into the sand

speaking of issues, just got a dsync, yay...

[knotty ore]

Like I said I agree that they should've done a post that says they're looking into fixing it. But also if one of the solutions they're thinking is to just let the market be as it is, that wouldnt work either

[signal leaf]

thet is what they did last cycel .. was just like this

[novel geyser]

no matter how genious of a solution they can come up with, it's already passed the point that it could be effective

[knotty ore]

And maybe that is the way they lose the least on a situation like this. Like idk why anyone would think anything else except that they're doing whats best for business. They're not just ignoring for the sake of ignoring and being lazy. It's a business. If hurting mg market is the best business decision and the way they lose the least players then they're taking that

[novel geyser]

and it's not like this is a new problem that noone has ever faced. It's as old as the history of online games

[signal leaf]

and now they losing Casuel players becus nothign did happends

[knotty ore]

and also idk how rollbacks work at all. Like, EHG might not even keep a safe file for each players that they could do such thing

[knotty ore]

Casual players are the ones they're not losing because a casual player doesnt care and isnt buying multiple lp items. They're still blasting normal monoliths or campaign and having no worries about the game

[novel geyser]

and that is exactly their problem, especially if you consider it ALREADY HAPPENED once

[signal leaf]

most ppl thet Compline about it is Casuels. other wise they whould have power to make gold

[knotty ore]

majority of the players arent in discord or reddit

[signal leaf]

is starting to get more common for Casuels to join discord

who the hell use Rededit

[knotty ore]

Yeah it is a problem. But if they don't have the tech idk what they should do. As a business and a live service game that works with cycles they couldnt just be like "ait no cycle happening untill we got a resolution that no gold dupe can happen and we have all the possible measures to counter it". Like once again, while ideal, it just doesnt work. And if they pushed the cycle even further people would further lose interest

[knotty ore]

more common, yes, but majority still doesnt. Most people who play games don't follow any game channels, game news or anything. They find a game that seems interesting, buys it and plays it

[sly quest]

it will be so fun in new cycle without dupes (:

[knotty ore]

Last Epoch sold 1m copies by 9th of february, and this discord for example has i think a bit under 100k?

[bronze quest]

1.2 will have to address MG and the terrible state its in. They went from 258k players in 1.0 to 71k peak players in 1.1 to like 24k in the first week.

[signal leaf]

ye only 900k did buy the game and did never come back

[sly quest]

they are waiting for testing for clear all bugs

[knotty ore]

no? they just didnt join the discord, because most dont. Also, do we know if steam charts include true offline? always been curious

[signal leaf]

true offline is a small % of the players tbh steam charts go from steams api so if you start the game from steam it should be there

[knotty ore]

That's not what I asked. Idk why it's so hard to agree with the fact that majority of players don't use discord or reddit when it most definitely is a fact

[knotty ore]

Them gamebreakers will always find a way

im genuinely curious on how the brain works for those people. Like how do they even come to try these things that cause dupes. Like "hmm i think im gonna go to this dungeon with gold and then log off and go offline and see if that does anything XD"

[dusk pivot]

but they also can distroy dupes by rollback problem is they don't want to disturb COF ppl and they sentence MG to death when that happen

[knotty ore]

They might be able to do a rollback? If they don't keep player files updated they couldnt possibly rollback either

[knotty ore]

I do think that it's not necessarily because of the gold inflation but because not that much changed since 1.0, like yes we got nemesis and harbingers, but apart from that the game is still just, monoliths

[dusk pivot]

not now atm is to late just at few hours when the dupes happen. And i doubt they don't keep files

[signal leaf]

they could have rollbacked all trades and problem whould have be solved, if you get amd if you got suped gold ye to bad for you

[knotty ore]

You just keep saying what they could have done when it might not even be possible to do those things

[signal leaf]

they Can they have logs of the transaction

[knotty ore]

And tell me how would the roll back the transactions? Lets say i sold and item for 100m for someone who duped, then i bought 10 items with the 100m, and the people who i bought items from all bought another 10 items with the 10m they all got and so on and so on

While not understanding coding or dev things at all, I do assume that it really is not simple

[dusk pivot]

i talk about server rollback myself not roll back the transaction

[signal leaf]

you Remove gold and give back the items and yes they can .. but i dont think they have man power for it

[knotty ore]

honestly this conversation is not worth having when it's like talking to a brick wall. and @dusk pivot yeah but we still don't know if they're able to do that either. And it happened during a weekend so that was another issue on top of the main issue

[broken ice]

they won't do anything, just deal with it or move on

[knotty ore]

I doubt theres a single gaming company that could succesfully track down a good 100k+ trades and return the items to the owners and take the correct amount of gold away. Server rollback is possible in general but that just sounds like something that isnt

[signal leaf]

why are you keep Talking ? when you dont know how it works? is it a must to gove some sort of respowns when you say im are like talkikng to a brick

[knotty ore]

You do know how it works? Can you tell me because im genuinely curious on how that would work

[signal leaf]

yes . but is no ide to Try tell you how it works becus you have your mind set alredy so youtube can prob tell you

[knotty ore]

What? Literally all I've been saying is that it might not be possible to do a rollback and that i don't know the tech behind it? What do I have my mind set to already?

[hard field]

I think a server rollback would be unfair especially to ppl who went COF

[latent summit]

Please drop the conversation if we can't keep it calm and civil. There is no point arguing back and forth about this.

[knotty ore]

Got a good laugh looking at the bio message "If i show up.. what have you done?" But noted. Also went quite past the merchant guild channel anyways

[latent summit]

If you have questions or concerns, you are more than welcome to check out the Forum regarding it https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/regarding-the-recent-gold-exploit/72555/152

[knotty ore]

Does anyone have any knowledge if dungeon keys can be traded? like player to player traded, I know they arent in bazaar

[fresh plover]

no

[hollow plank]

you still looking for a t7 % health champion regalia?

[fresh plover]

nope im in cof, is it there?

[hollow plank]

ye for 100m

[hollow sand]

Such a balanced and normal price

[small jay]

100% agree. Gokd sells for $1 for 100mil so...

[hollow plank]

0,5€ rn

[small jay]

And i bet you anything that players who are serious about minmaxing their character, WILL be buying it if they are MG. So....

Thats why prices are so high.

[hollow plank]

ye you are pretty much incentivized to rmt at this point

[small jay]

Especially now that it costs pocket change

[fervent schooner]

So Merchan'ts Guild is resorting to d/cing all the CoF player to win now huh. First gold dupe, now this.

[atomic heron]

where do i buy items from people ?

i need a monument of protection

[bronze glacier]

Went MG this patch after a bit of COF, not too bad until you're trying to find BIS and slams on a popular build

but WOW the selling experience is utterly awful, fingers crossed the fixes to that really improve that aspect particularly. Also deciding what to filter...

[small jay]

Yeh MG is great for gearing in 0-1 LP items. But 2LP and above youre expected to buy gold or find a rare af GG item to sell. And firget about meta t7 affixes too.

[past path]

I don't agree at all... MG is the way to BiS your gear

[lethal lodge]

Is there some good LootFilter focused on gear to trade?

[bronze glacier]

Agree, i think the issue is its very hard to make that leap to 2+ LP as you're going from practically free to 100s of millions, thanks to dupers in part, but there isn't a real progression step until you get that insane drop luck, well now there isnt.

[small jay]

This is the issue. Banging my head against a wall finding $0 - $100,000 gold items "saving up" for the $100,000,000 items is gross. CoF at least has dopamine explosions all the time

[fervent schooner]

100m gold for a 1/6 chance to slam a 50m exalted that took you multiple times to craft.

[frosty bear]

Wasn't playing like for several days, is marketplace gone wild again like last season?

[bronze glacier]

yeah, its coming back around a bit, but the damage is somewhat done

[frosty bear]

I pretty much just started doing empowered, don't think ill stick with MG, willjust switch straight away to ssf

[small jay]

Exactly. You still haveto slam the item and if it slams horribly you practically wasted your gold. Glad this games a filler until PoE 2 / D4 season 5

[fervent schooner]

This is the only arpg i play. Im CoF tho

[still flower]

A mistress for u to indulge in but u know who your real wife is

but recently this mistress contracted STD .. LOL

[small jay]

YOUR TALKING ABOUT D4? LOL

[still flower]

it shall not be named!

in other news i saw the spiritborn trailer. very clever of blizzard to make a class that has a bit of harambe and wakanda

it will spawn tons of memes (word of mouth)

[sullen valve]

D4 presents ONE "new" class, a monk witch doctor hybrid. Meanwhile, PoE adds more content in a single league than all D4 seasons combined. It's just becoming ridiculous at this point.

[still flower]

but to be fair we are yet to see anything else from voh.

if you say spiritborn is the full content of voh then i will agree with you

[sullen valve]

I'm sure the campaign will be nice, but beyond the new class, I'm not sure. It's true D3 fixed a lot of its problems with the expansion, but I have a bad feeling about this.

[covert finch]

D4 is all about how long they can string you along pulling money out of you, not about content and fun

[still flower]

maybe uber mephisto will be more frustrating to kill than uber lilith

[sullen valve]

Majority just want the end of story and kill Diablo, so that's already 2x40$ right there rofl.

[still flower]

the lore of diablo is unmatched.

no matter how many titles other ARPG releases

[fervent schooner]

If was abit funny watching the PoE stuff right after D4.

[sullen valve]

I know a good point of D4. It doesn't have a bad merchant's guild UI and there is no gold dupe giggle

[still flower]

if u wanna 1 up diablo lore u need to hire disney

[sullen valve]

I think ex-Blizzard North devs would do the trick

[still flower]

they have had dupes (red dust) in prior seasons, to be fair to everyone

[sullen valve]

ya, but I haven't heard anything in S4. Since trading was pretty much irellevant before that...

[still flower]

aye. was flawless for me. trade finally enabled and economy is pretty much organic

[sullen valve]

they should just put back in the AH with some limitations. But they are so afraid of a baclash because of the D3 Real Money AH...

[still flower]

they could but otherwise i’m good with what’s available

maybe just insert a gold tax would be perfect but then a AH would need to happen

this MG had the bazaar which i wanted

i placed 1.1k items on sale

sold 600+ items , had to through sieve pages n pages of items to collect 20k gold

[rugged glen]

is there something I'm missing? I feel like just getting from rank 7 to 8 is a MASSIVE slow down in progress, like 20x as long compared to the first 5 to 6 levels

[mossy cosmos]

are the servers back yet

[nocturne prairie]

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[tiny spire]

by the time you get to those ranks, you should probably be in 200+ corruption i would imagine, so xp gain should keep up.

[rugged glen]

I just got into empowered monos (played 2 chars to around the same point, one iwth solo and one with gf). Does the xp gain significantly increase? I feel like I'm chipping away at a mountain with a fork...

[scenic pier]

being solely reliant on one provider, big oof

[tiny spire]

yeah. xp gain increases as corruption increases. i feel like going from 8 to 9 or 9 to 10 taking as long as previous level just because my gear improved with the previous rank buying stuff, as well as the corruption going higher as i progressed hunting harbingers

[split wave]

First 3-4 ranks are super quick. Going 7 to 8 takes the same amount as going 5 to 7, though you do get 5% bonus favor per rank, so it goes slightly faster than that.

[tiny spire]

the problem isnt the xp gain, the problem right now is the diminishing supply of items on the market, both from players quitting from just not enough of a change in the current patch, and from people moving to CoF after trust was lost with the recent gold situation

[rugged glen]

yeah, also, there's not too much to look forward to because I need rank 12 for the stuff I want. Not to even mention most of it is WILDLY overpriced. I got super lucky with a Orian neck drop but even if I sell that (which I won't because I use it for my build) I'd still be unable to afford I think lol

[tiny spire]

so getting higher isn't really... rewarding? because most items on the market right now are either a-gold cap items for meta builds, or b-subpar items that have been there since day 1-2 that arnt really useful

[scenic pier]

It's also just way too much effort to list items in the first place, also have to consider that most people feel ripped off listing powerful items (especially early) as only a fraction of the playerbase can even buy them

[rugged glen]

bruh, you should see the price of some idols, it's criminal. Like mana/mana mage idols are literally 50 million+, like what? Who has that? Your build needs 2-4? Hhahahahahahaha just buy some garbage ones and get over it I guess?

[tiny spire]

make no mistake, MG is still vastly superior to CoF... being able to at least halfway piece together an off meta build on the fly if you got favor is nice. but without a player base... its wanting for attention

[round wasp]

I got rank 12, 1000 corruption, and level 100 at all around the same time, really felt like it took too long

[scenic pier]

It's vastly superior in terms of item acquisition but that's like 80% of the game right now

[rugged glen]

Also, it's ironic. Non-LP unqiues are GIGA expensive compared to legendary alts or even LP versions simply because the grind needed to get to the rank to buy them is SO annoying.

[scenic pier]

I don't think MG needs to exist, there shouldn't be restrictions on what you can buy, Then things will be priced appropriately and not arbitrary.

[rugged glen]

They need vast improvements, like being able to search for affixes on an item by clicking it so you don't have to check each item specifically. The individual vendors is cumbersome but I can get over it. UI is poopoo, but they know that

[scenic pier]

They also need to remove the 1000 vendors, why put work into implementing all of those

[rugged glen]

I have made massive amounts of gold this patch by selling stuff and even if I combined all my gold I made, I still couldn't afford HALF of a mana/mana mage idol.

[scenic pier]

really odd choices, they also probably need to rethink gold entirely as a currency, it doesn't have suffiicent sinks so the market will always hyperinflate, even without dupes

[rugged glen]

I have made close to like 20m this patch, (if I count my orian neck it's closer to like 150m but I'm not counting it because the price on it currently is absurd and it shouldn't be this way to begin with)

[scenic pier]

everything is so inflated that many items are worth well above the gold cap

[split wave]

They mentioned they were considering adding a gold tax, not sure why they didn't tbh

[scenic pier]

not allowing item reselling also doesn't help, supply of items constantly goes down, money supply doesn't -> Inflation

[rugged glen]

Tbh someone on reddit maybe had a decent idea. Make favor the buying currency and gold the posting cost. It will considerably level things out because favor isn't really available it vast amounts like that. It would slow down your progress I guess but maybe it's a decent solution

[glass rune]

Whoops, wrong reply my bad

[split wave]

Yeah, the moment they announced how trade would work, most of us knew the inflation would come 😂

[rugged glen]

Gold tax might just cause some players to become collateral damage but I guess if they made it like WoW where it costs you a percentage of the cost of what you are posting for.

[scenic pier]

A few people will flip, it doesn't matter.

you will actually get more good items on the market as crafters will buy good bases and then craft/slam into something good to resell, or just sell their failures which are still useable by others

[split wave]

If you just swap them and change no mechanics, the same problems will still be there

[rugged glen]

I think MG is a superior choice in like 99% of scenarios for like 99% of players who play this game. People play the game for a few weeks of the cycle and peace out after trying their builds they saw that were cool. Beyond that, why bother with COF when you can just make the builds happen near instantly for that nice dopamine hit. Who wants to grind for a subpar roll on crap?

I am of course exaggerating a bit with the percentages but it's definitely a super high percentage

[scenic pier]

Item search is terrible and many people don't get as much satisfaction from purchasing gear. Especially since there's nothing to do with it. This game has no destination, just a journey. CoF needs improvements in terms of targetting items too. My ideal would be CoF but with some MG items to fill in where bad RNG has screwed me or with dungeon drops etc. Obviously can't do that rn

[rugged glen]

I tried COF last cycle and MG this cycle and from my perspective, I can't imagine why anyone would play COF. But I'm also one of those people who fits into the demo I described in my last message.

Completely agree with lack of endgame. This seems to be a major and recurring issue with ARPG games. Lots of journey, no destination. 1 pinnacle boss, while nice, still takes a MASSIVE grind to even get to and most people may not even make it there. Where is the other end game activities? Monos are boring as hell as they are.

[small jay]

20m gold? Thats worth about 20c

[rugged glen]

Yeah again though I'm not counting the Orian neck which is worth at a minimum 120m but mine is well rolled so prob a couple to a few hundred mil! That's at least a div!

[loud warren]

Im trying to think if Ive seen something over a million on the Hardcore MG this cycle. Those prices sound wild XD

[rugged glen]

I've seen items up for well over 1 billion. It's just stupid

[heavy zealot]

1 billion?

[loud warren]

I mean they can put them up for 1 trillion- doesnt mean anyone can buy it XD

[split wave]

The max is 1.5B

[loud warren]

Ah cool didnt know. Cheers for the info!

[small jay]

Ppl clearly listing prices so high due to rmt and 1 billion gold only costing $10

[loud warren]

Ohhhhh. Yeah that checks out. Not surprised RMT's around since most games with trade in any capacity cant really fight it.

[small jay]

Also the sellers are buying items off bazzaar to get your gold to you. So if something crap is up for millions someones probably bought gold

[loud warren]

Yeah that checks. Pretty simple but convenient, though Im somewhat surprised as it leaves a bit of an 'easy' trail though.

[small jay]

Potentially. 150 favour items are blues and if EHG habe an algo that detects high gold sales on 150 favour items maaaybe.

[loud warren]

Yeah its a game where the cards EHG has on detection are the key. Id hope we as a playerbase dont know those cards personally.

[still flower]

buying gold in LE is kinda meh. Very few uses for ingame features (like lightless arbor)

[small jay]

If youre MG dude

[tame thicket]

Trying to not worry about it too much but can never purchase anything I want being MG anymore

[still flower]

if there is something like rerolls, or resets that consumes gold, then that is more worthy

[still flower]

u can become a seller and be in a position where people lament the same thing on your listings

i have seen enough people getting anxious over the same situations.. but u guys wont sell anything via bazaar?????

[tame thicket]

You’re right 😂I feel it’s much to tedious to check my 40 tabs of stash items to know what they’re worth. I should learn a bit more I just started playing cycle 2, wasn’t around before then

[still flower]

it takes time (experience) to sell stuff and develop YOUR way to trade

hoarding items will ruin ur playing experience

[tame thicket]

if when I went to post an item it would show similars price would be great but ya I am hoarding. I'm aware most of what I have is trash now

[still flower]

i had only 8 tabs in cycle 1

[tame thicket]

I mean are any legendaries without lp worth selling

[still flower]

red ring i think

[tame thicket]

If I learn some basics of it I’d feel better

[round wasp]

tons and tons are worth money without lp - death rattle, razorfall, almost anything with good rolls - if you see something with all rolls near max it is almost always worth something. spine of malatros is generally worthless but i sold a near perfect rolled 0lp for 1m

[still flower]

exalt T7

and check the idols they sell too highly that its funny

[round wasp]

health/health sell for a lot but also health/cold res and mana/cold res

and the rolls hold even truer for idols... many are worthless with bad rolls and priceless with good ones

[still flower]

this game's fun factor are the BUILDS

[tame thicket]

Yea I have tons of legends with “near” max rolls no lp

[still flower]

so if u r finding this difficult to live with , the alternative is LOOT for the fun

[round wasp]

if they'are all within 10 or 15% I would price check it - set the rarity to unique, max lp to zero, and price low to high - then click a few pages down and see if you can find one similar, then undercut it by 30% or so

ex. any razor fall is 500k, and a max rolled razorfall would be 10m at least even at 0lp

[tame thicket]

Really I have a couple I believe

But yea idols seem insane on prices for and meta build

[round wasp]

there are several jackpots - like health/ele res large shadow idols, you can basically price what you want for high rolls

[still flower]

btw i dont mean COF, i mean other ARPGS

LOL

i dont quite rate cof.. sorry

[fresh plover]

umm u do realize that literally 2 cycles in a row we have guys dropping 20$ and then wiping market for certain items?

[compact patio]

Because economy just on gold is just bad, and will always be bad. Maybe mediocre at best.

Only thing is epoch engine is so bad it is probably harder to have bots farm it. 🤣

[small jay]

This. On mobile games a "pack" can cost $25+ and you get 1-2 legendary cards etc, auper expensive and ppl drop THOUSANDS. $25 in LE gets you EVERYTHING

[still flower]

that’s how seasons protects the game economy from this

if players drop $20 every season in LE , what can I say?

[still flower]

if anything, i wanna earn that $25 from these players

[knotty ore]

I just really really like the way poe handles trading, just bunch of different crafting material. I feel like it also keeps the game, if not safe at least safer from something like a gold dupe

[compact patio]

Funny they making similar system as MG but without ranks and people love it and here they hate it xD

[round wasp]

i'm sorry but POE's market is way worse than LEs even with the dupe

[knotty ore]

Well you can't buy gear through it, it's just for currency. So it's automatically going to be (most likely) better functioning

[round wasp]

poes market has been almost entirely fixed for years and years by the same small groups of people, it is openly manipulated with no shame and there's not actually an attempt by GGG to prevent scams or price fixing

[novel geyser]

Yup, flippable trades lead to monopoly and market fixingq

[compact patio]

It’s just a test before Poe 2

[knotty ore]

Probably, but that's what it is currently. And considering how tedious buying stuff in bulk is from poe trade, the currency AH just sounds so amazing. No more tft

[compact patio]

They said it on reveal stream , it’s test before poe2

[knotty ore]

Yeah mate, I didnt disagree with you 😄

[compact patio]

You said probably 🤣

[knotty ore]

Yeah because I personally missed them saying its a test for poe 2 😂 so just decided to use probably instead. Did they mention anything about including gear trades as well in poe2?

[compact patio]

I think there was some mention about AH based on LE implementing it but it’s just one short clip from reveal stream.

[tame thicket]

Man it’s crazy looking at these sales for a billion gold, seeing 500m sales for average items all over the place

I didn’t realize it was that far gone

[knotty ore]

some things are wild 😂 I did some lightless arbor farming, and the amount of gold to obe made is just wild. Like, i got a bone amulet with t6 throwing damage, duplicated 5 times, been selling those for 70m a pop, 3 sold so far xd

Anything thats used by popular/meta builds are kinda jacked in prices, especially t7 affixes

but even getting t6 on some good base can be super super expensive

[tame thicket]

Yea I was having hope again for like a day lol 😂

[knotty ore]

crystall skull with even t6 mana is actually quite unachievable for most. I got mine with a max roll t6 mana as a drop, but been checking quite regularly for a t7 one and even t6 is often at 100m+. And crystal skull is almost a necessary item for certain sorcs

but yeah can always go with t5 mana and then its dump change but 🤷‍♂️

[knotty ore]

Just gotta stay ahead of the curve and play the inflation more than it plays you 😂

[tame thicket]

Yes I’m just randomly throwing all my t7’s with decent stats or a free slot for insane amounts rn lol, haven’t sold anything big I literally own 1.3m

But if I can catch up and actually buy a piece of 2 or gear I want idc, guess I’ll find out

[knotty ore]

I suggest checking the main items for the top builds and paying attention to drops, some things that seem not that good can be sold for a lott. 1.3m is a good start! If you can handle doing dungeons and don't hate them those are a good way to make money currently

You can just run low tier lightless arbor for peaks of the mountain, the 0lp ones probably still sell for something like 200-500k depending on roll, and if you happen to hit a 3lp one thats currently something between 50-100m. and a 2lp is probably like a mil?

[tame thicket]

Yea 3lp pretty rare tho lol, ty for tips mate

[knotty ore]

for peak not that rare

[compact patio]

I sold three early for almost
Nothing xD

[knotty ore]

haha yep xd

[tame thicket]

Yea MG is broken just sold a weapon for 1.5bill

Literally as quick as I told you I was putting it up @knotty ore - friggin insane man

[knotty ore]

holyy what weapon

[tame thicket]

Cryomancers maul of blinding - +38 melee damage - 58% increased melee stun chance /// then 34.8% melee health leech, chance on hit for shock, chance on hit blind, 61% cold damage

Not sure if that was even good, but can’t send screenshot in here

I once had 1.3m gold and now 1.5 billion and 1.3m

[mystic heath]

Yeah it’s bonkers. Literally if you get on and play for like a hour in empowered monos you’re more than likely to sell something pretty high. Not sure how it makes sense. Haven’t really had a problem buying anything I need for a build unless it’s crazy 4 maybe 3 LP items

[tame thicket]

Well now I just need more reputation, I had T7 items that weren’t even on the market either idk but that’s pretty nutty to me

And a 2lp for 150k lol 😂 idk 🤷 at least I can get a couple things I need now

I really didn’t think that would happen…

[small jay]

So close to rank 9 omg... cmooon

[tame thicket]

Same here lol I feel u

I wonder if the one I sold was actually any good

[knotty ore]

jesus. So I assume someone slammed it into a lp4 unique

[tame thicket]

Is that godly or something lol

[knotty ore]

no idea haha, but if it sold for 1,5b lets assume it is godly XD

was it a one handed axe/mace?

[tame thicket]

Two handed mace and the shock hit chance was 45, and 73 hit chance for the blind

[knotty ore]

hmm ok, no idea what build that goes for

[tame thicket]

Makes me feel a little better that I have something to keep pace atm lol but still

[knotty ore]

but also takes the excitement away from all "smaller" drops, liek i don't even think about it when i get a 5-10m drop now

[tame thicket]

Yea exactly my thoughts behind the “but still” I hear you on that. Guess we will see what creative move will be made, or if it self corrects somehow.

If the item was worth that much, I’d feel better about it you know. Lol but from what I see idk 🤷

[knotty ore]

It most definitely was worth much and/or a good slam item, but no item should be worth 1,5b unless its literal godtier item and one of a kind

[tame thicket]

Yea none of those rolls were perfect I don’t believe

[knotty ore]

And with how shallow the LE crafting is and how easy it is to craft superb items there is nothing except a super super rare lp4 unique that should reach such lvls of value. When compared to PoE the best items ever crafted took maybe weeks or months of crafting and cost an unbelievable amount just to make

was it a double or triple exalted btw

[compact patio]

It’s not shallow, it’s easy and rewarding. D4 crafting is shallow

[knotty ore]

Ok shallow was the wrong word to use, what i meant was it's "simple" to craft a good item. I do enjoy LE crafting

[tame thicket]

I had no fun in poe whatsoever compared to LE, but that’s just me. I stuck to D2 ARPG wise until I played this really, and only started playing in cycle 2. I know we are talking markets & effort on what should be god tier type gear, I do like the whole forge potential though. You can make or break it easily. Not familiar with poe system though

[compact patio]

All good 😄

[tame thicket]

I think the simplicity is nice, why does it have to be a huge web of complexity. I think the ARPG genre as a whole is kind of tapped out. Reinventing the wheel creatively. I can’t find something that hasn’t been done except good PvP in a modern ARPG lol 😂

[knotty ore]

poe definitely isnt for everyone, it is quite complex. The crafting can be really hard and complex there. You don't just go around crafting sick items in 5 minutes generally

[knotty ore]

Yeah overall i think LE is in the sweetspot of complexity and easy crafting. And overall gameplay. I will always love that one steam review of LE "Doesnt insult your intelligence like D4 but doesnt require PhD like PoE"

[tame thicket]

A good balance I agree, I take everyone’s word for it on the complexity of poe crafting because I have no idea

[rugged vector]

so... as more days pass, are they straight up just going to ignore the gold dupe destroying the economy as prices have clearly not stabilized, and just let players bleed? bit shocked honestly

[delicate briar]

poe is quite simpel

[quiet oxide]

poe next league gonna be wild, absolutely insane annoucement

[compact patio]

They are making a statement and not sure on solution

[small jay]

Anyone know which t7 stats or gear are the big meta $$ ones for each class? Excluding warlock as i play that one and know

[knotty ore]

+lvl on ballistae, mana on amulet, gloves (especially the +mana base and armor the highest lvl armor base, dont remember the name), dex and int on especially rings, dex on quiver, mana on arcane regalia mage body, throwing damage on amulet(bone amulet base at least). Those are the ones that quickly come top mind off top off my head 😄

Thats mainly for mage & rogue, don't know much about the last 2

[knotty ore]

that announcment was just.. so much hype. My only issue with it is that it's a week away still

[quiet oxide]

d4 really thought they're just gonna annouce their stuff 1 hour before and get away with it

[knotty ore]

A for effort eh? 😂

[quiet oxide]

A for at least you tried

[knotty ore]

How was the d4 announcement? It was for the new 70€ expansion right?

[quiet oxide]

a streamer with highest view count was 4k, poe was over 40k

poe official had over 114k, a ton of other srteamer with 10-20k

[knotty ore]

Yeah poe had over 300k viewers overall during the announcement, was kinda wild. But what i meant was was the d4 things good or bad? Havent really followed d4 much. Played for like 20h this season trying it in gamepass but i didnt really enjoy it quite like i do poe or LE

[compact patio]

D4 announcement was like 6-7/10

[tired oar]

Same... The other new diablos is like fanmade by incompetent money grabbers

[small jay]

oops capsjust sold a t7 near perfect Hybrid health on belt for 99 million wtf lol

[small jay]

just found t6 throwing on bone neck haha

[torpid pivot]

is there a list of uniq items that are worth someting so i dont have to look every time if its valuable ?

[small jay]

Look up class guides from reputable ppl and check the end game gear setup

[torpid pivot]

too time consuming, im creating doc with prices and minimum lp worth ( borrowed spreed from someone just changing prices)

its time consuming too but what else to do, better just look on another screen than wonder if its worth somethning and checking every single time xd

[sleek arch]

must be some money exploit? who the heck has so much money 😄

[sullen valve]

The Sanctum Market discord already did that

[small jay]

Idk but im a happy man

My first big sale worth something that i can turn into aomething i need. Like a 2LP barbute that if i was CoF i woukda had 20 of lol

[torn inlet]

its safe too assume nothing will be done right?

[fresh plover]

yes just like in last season we all saw they didnt do anything

[torn inlet]

Too me the worst thing is not saying anything, wether there will be a solution implemented or not

[fresh plover]

its been several days no actions

well what they can do if they wanted a roll back they wouldve done it, they wont do it now after several days

and gold is already in every single trader pocket at this point, we have more duped gold in economy than legit by miles

[torn inlet]

yeah I agree, guess there is always poe new league ahah

its a shame tho, I love last epoch by far its my favorite arpg

[fresh plover]

yes its either cof or boat league, 1.0 and 1.1 sucked big time, worst 2 patches in le history imo, mainly cause the game is already released but still is "early acess/beta" vibe

[torn inlet]

I wouldn't say they are the worst ever ahah but the dupes are bad no doubt

[fresh plover]

1.0 was a disaster with 400k ward players, tons of bugged to the moon builds , game literally looked like clownfiesta or wolcen 2

[rugged vector]

This 100%. I thought not saying something was fine for first few days given they don't want to tip off dupers on how to counteract their plans, but now that a week has passed it is becoming more likely that they had no plan for this and are doing nothing

your entire middle class of mg players come in, want to play a fun looking build like mana stacking static orb, look at mg prices and go tf, a whole swath of them quit because it's not worth chasing the unattainable

[fresh plover]

1.1 still had same performace issues, serves are sh*t , dupe yet again without even an attempt to prevent or mitigate it. Banning exploiters does not solve a thing. Plenty of bugs still, more lag, infinite loading screens, and ofc melee is still trash with no plans to improve it even a little bit

[torn inlet]

I am kinda bummed because I was playing runemaster and stuff just became wacky pricey ahah

[rugged vector]

I feel you. I absolutely love this game and the mg / end game build chase is really fun for me. I will still play this game and get drops and adjust to the new economy, but I already see a whole bunch of folks quit. It is such a shame

[torn inlet]

I am debating switching to cof but was waiting to see if they did anythin

[sleek arch]

Did anyone notice that the levels for MG kinda jump all of a sudden? It feels like I keep checking it I'm like level6, then all of a sudden I'm level7 at the same position

[fathom trench]

curious... approx how much gold is a non-LP naals tooth

[blazing sentinel]

I'm pretty sure they made an announcement saying they caught the exploit very early and they would let the market self correct

[scenic pier]

great plan

[torn inlet]

they did say something to that affect but then also said they are looking for more solutions and would say something and of yet nothing has been said

[sullen valve]

The gold dupe annoying a few people is not a good thing, but it's very far from being the reason most seem to play less than 60h in this cycle. Truth is, aberroth and the 300 corr "target" is probably too low.

[torn inlet]

and look, doing nothing IS A SOLUTION I just wanted to know if they are doing that or something else

[fresh plover]

its not too low we know that in 1.0 less than fraction of 1% reached empowered monos according to mike, so 300 cor and pinnacle boss is quite a high goal

[rugged vector]

the market has indeed corrected

to being completely at the whims of a random duper who yesterday decides to sweep all the reign of winter 3s off the market because he has unlimited gold so why not

prices absolutely blasted up last few days, further and further away from stabilizaton/correction

[sullen valve]

But that statistic is problematic because a vast majority just wanted to do the story. Only 70k returned for C2. How many kill aberroth in C2 will be far better data to know the "truth"

[fresh plover]

if we had less than 1% of 260k people in 1.0 then i doubt number is high among 70k in 1.1, truth is most of people just dont reach emp monos and quit before

[sullen valve]

I don't know how long thy want people to play a cycle on average, but this seems rather low atm

[rugged vector]

the people in here complaining are your staunchest advocates and a strong avenue for you to expand a game though. that 1% very much matters given the response to a friend, a guild mate from another arpg, a stranger who asks is this game worth playing goes from "it's amazing check it out" to "well my experience got cut short and the devs didn't do anything, so I didn't have a great time"

[sullen valve]

Well, yes, but that's why the dupe doesn't matter that much. Most of us here would simply say to play CoF, not avoid the game.

[torn inlet]

not really tho, I wanted to play MF this season I am bummed out, the only thing this dupe made me do is actually give poe a through chance

and look I love this game to death, I love the story and the world and the the systems, but... the systems need to work

[rugged vector]

also, kill aberroth participation is gonna be rough... they made cof 12 near unattainable for even an above average person, and mg top end stuff needed to bridge the gap on competing got absolutely blown up. I hope the numbers turn out good though

[sullen valve]

If you can stomach the sheer complexity of PoE, you should be pleased

[sullen valve]

Definitively my prefered one out of the big three currently, but yeah, it still needs a lot of work

[rugged vector]

it very much matters because we're going to be here no matter what, but the people we could possibly onboard are not going to hear nearly as positive a response for them to consider playing.

[sullen valve]

"LE is excellent, don't miss it, just pick CoF for now while they fix the trading". How would that even lose anyone average looking to try it?

[torn inlet]

okay and they say, "rly? I prefer trading and playing the market guess I'll wait a couple more cycles"

[sullen valve]

If they are interested in trading, you'd lose them the second they open the trading merchant interface. Not because of the dupe lol

[torn inlet]

I disagree brother but that's okay

[sullen valve]

Indeed, we don't have to always agree

[rugged vector]

100% this. You lose people on the margins, but Ramza seems to think everything is black and white yes or no, not sure why

[fresh plover]

you are underplaying the trade part of arpg players so hard, A LOT of people wont touch the game without good trading, poe literally cultivated people like that

also player count proves it we lost 30% in 2 first days of gold dupe, that is quite a lot

[rugged vector]

in fact it's a huge driver why ehg added it in the first place!

[fresh plover]

yep they literally added the whole system cause so many people cried to add it, they didnt want it initially

[rugged vector]

they've always been phenomenal about listening to requests and adding what players want for sure

[sullen valve]

Not having it at all would indeed be a bad idea. And I'm not downplaying MG. I like trading as well, I just don't think the dupe is a big deal, that's where we disagree. Crap, I didn't mean to quote.

[fresh plover]

not when it comes to melee but kinda

[torn inlet]

tbf I believe this won't be an issue one year from now ahah. But I want to nolife LAst epoch now

[fresh plover]

well it is clearly a big deal, at this point we lost 50% of playercount since the day dupe was exposed to public

[rugged vector]

as a confessed dirty ranged enjoyer we don't talk about melee 🙂 poor folks

[fresh plover]

😦

[novel geyser]

"gold duping is not a big deal in a game with trading"
sure dude

fully agree 😂

[rugged vector]

hard to fully quantify but it most certainly isn't zero - at least anecdotally I have data points of people who quit because of this, and the overall loss of confidence in the team

[sullen valve]

The game has been losing CoF players just as much, so the dupe is just a minor reason. I go by my friend list and it's pretty clear the game itself is lacking something.

[rugged vector]

I guess another way to frame it is the dupe is just one of many issues that affect playerbase and it just comes down to a difference of opinion on how MUCH of an impact it is relative to other issues

Which I totally dig, all the above can be true

[sullen valve]

Yup, we just disagree on the impact of it overall. From my point of view, it's simply not the main reason people leave so early in C2. There is something else and I feel it myself closing on Aberroth. I'm nearly forcing myself to do it at this point just so I can say I did.

LE already feels like a chore barely 1.5 weeks in the cycle. That is the closest way I could describe it.

[rugged vector]

oh yeah, plenty of thoughts about that - an unfun harbinger grind given the corruption re-upping in each mono, making the avenues to close the gap in killing him out of reach (cof underpowered+mg top end unreachable)

I think the concept behind the content is an awesome step forward just a lot of details to work out coming off of a first season test of it here

main reason or not though, even if you think it's an amplifier for just making an additional swath of people quit, it isn't great

I do think youre underestimating the number of people who care about trading who quit though - wouldn't overlook the plight of someone who was excited to farm up 4mil gold for their build defining lp3 come back from work and on a Saturday now see that it's 180mil. many of those people straight up quit

[sullen valve]

Yeah, lots of things still problematic. As for the dupe, again, we are just disagreeing. You see me as underestimating, but I see you overestimating, so that's that haha.

[scenic pier]

Market interface is terrible, Poe search and awakened Poe trade are the standard now. Price checking whilst doing monos, listing from your ‘hideout’

[sullen valve]

Yeah, pretty much that. The main thing killing MG is its current interface. But as for moving to bazaar instead of staying in hideout, that's not really relevant. People will go where the AH is, that's not a problem at all.

[scenic pier]

Maybe 2.0 will fix some of these things in 2027

Feel like they don’t add QoL to try and artificially extend the play time. Which actually ends up shortening it

[sly quest]

Is it correct that there is no shop history and i can see only my personal history of sold items?

[frosty verge]

I can deal with a horrendus UI, can't deal with any decently popular unique costs 50+ M gold. And they did say they've got some changes comming for MG before, assuming it will be an UI overhaul

[still flower]

lacking the punch imo.

I remembered LE devs saying they are POE fans.

Reminds me of POE devs saying they are D2 fans and boy what a job they did with POE

[signal leaf]

Did your see there ingame trading? Did looks so nice, puted sadly bazzzar in to a shame.

[still flower]

i have not seen it yet but my friend who is a poe fan, told me it is very good now

he is always against d4 , as a poe fan, but he said LE is kind of fallen off too much to be relavant

[fresh plover]

they really need to learn from GGG, in poe they will make gold as trade tax not primary currency and same should have been in LE, use gold for taxing on list/buying items and favor as primary currency

we wouldnt have to deal with all this bs dupes if it was that way, rmt would be way harder too that way

[novel geyser]

yeah. The first time i hear of the favor system, i did imagine that it would be THE currency for trading, not just early game friction as it is right now

[fresh plover]

yep now its not only gold being vulnerable to exploits which was proven multiple times, but also nobody and i mean nobody feels good about favor, it is annoying that i have to choose between listing exlated items on market or buying lp upgrades for my build, especially early on

[signal leaf]

Isee 🙂 ye did look so awesome all things the added

[still flower]

i was joking to my friend that poe gold is like d4's resplendent spark

[bronze quest]

PoE market is exactly what it needed, going to be absolutely insane. The amount of content in 3.25 is bonkers

[compact patio]

LE was never relevant? This 260k peak was not normal, it’s niche small game and will be for a long time.

[sullen valve]

Didn't want to play PoE. Now I have to. Summer outside activities destroyed

It's almost not faire to LE. PoE dropping such a bomb barely 1.5 weeks into our cycle 2 rofl

[fresh plover]

bomb?do u mean poe bomb?

[sullen valve]

Massive content patch league along with their own currency market... fixed the meaning of my sentence so it's clearer.

I honestly thought the PoE league would be a week later.

[compact patio]

I will try it for weekend but Poe
Is still same Poe I hate 🤣 will get back to LE either way

[oak spruce]

didnt they announce rework of AH for merchant guild? Thought it supposed to be ingame after 1 week

[sullen valve]

Well, we ain't seen anything so far

Fixing the interface would probably help with the dupe consequences as well. If we can search much better for almost as good upgrades than the ones up for bazillion, prices will go down fast

Fixing it for the week-end would have been nice. Fixing it later, I'm afraid that will a bit of a shot in the water as a lot of people interested with PoE will start planning their builds early next week.

If I was them, I'd just postpone it to cycle 3 at this point

[compact patio]

It will be just better search function for now, nothing major I think

[signal leaf]

they gona put in so you Can see if ppl used runes or got dupes from Arbor ithink they did say

atlest ppl gona stop say there is milions of Duped items when alot/almost most is legit dupes

[red hinge]

why are non-lp phantom grip so stupid expansive ffs

[icy pilot]

most non-lp good uniques are stupid expensive because ppl throw them into nemesis eggs

[tranquil relic]

with all the gold dupe 0 lp uniques is actually savings the market by a bit

[tame thicket]

Is there any type of list or guide around to where I know which uniques to even bother keeping 0lp or 1 lp etc.

[icy pilot]

smoke weavers, anything related to falconer bleed builds, arena uniques, some runemaster uniques

[tame thicket]

Are any sets used really

[icy pilot]

i think vilatria's storm crown or whatever it's called is p expensive

[tame thicket]

Thanks for that bit mate

[icy pilot]

your best bet is to set rarity to unique, max lp 0, and filter by each unique and see what's doing well

[hollow plank]

shattered lance for shatter strike spellblade until you get a 2lp apogee