💰┃merchants-guild

[gaunt tusk]

was only gonna play til new poe season comes but dont even feel like logging in now hahaha

[gaunt maple]

I've been trying to play again tonight and I think I'm also done.

[wild girder]

Is the market back to normal fellow MGs?
Haven't logged in since gold bug.

[bitter zenith]

everythings really inflated tbh.

[wild girder]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[bitter zenith]

red rings were 2 million a day or two ago

now the cheapest one on the bazaar at all is 30 million and the cheapest that is unique without LP or being legendary is 444 million. lmao

[deep prawn]

im kind of worried about last epoch’s future mane. the player count this time around was nowhere near as high as people were claiming it was going to be and it just had another merchant guild issue. I really want this game to succeed dude

[wicked rampart]

could someone help me im trying to join a faction early on

[quiet oxide]

red ring went from 139m to 440m again, did someone found another dupe ?

[small jay]

Not a single 3lp wheel of torment on the market...

[livid shuttle]

i feel like the merchants guild is a bit lacking for leveling and gaining favor

[coarse veldt]

if u push corruption it goes fast, i farmed high corruption timelines and went from 9,5 to 11 in one go. but u have to reach that point first thats for sure.

[quiet turtle]

How do I level up this rep faster... seems like I need so much rep ? does doing high corruption or dungeon farming grant more rep points or... ?

[coarse veldt]

and also i have a strong feeling that if u list high favor items u get way more rep. i once listed 6k only in idols and 6k with 6 times and that was way more rep but this can be just dellusional from me ^^

[sharp jay]

My question is the gold problem, are people just posting red ring for so much just as a flex ?

[quiet turtle]

so you have to sell a lot of items to get rep

[coarse veldt]

or buy one from the merchant in town, selling items is recommended for sure

[quiet turtle]

buying items costs rep and money - how is buying items increase rep ? i dont get it ?

[coarse veldt]

u spend favor and u will be rewarded with rep

[sharp jay]

Spending rep gives xp for the guild even if you buy or sell items

[coarse veldt]

gold dupe which isnt fixed properly bc they just banned some people but the gold is still in the game

[sharp jay]

Why not just put a cap on gold cost till they fix the the bug and the next season, the cap could be something like 500k

[covert breach]

there are things worth legitimately well more than 500k

[sharp jay]

i feel like cost is subjective

1.3 billion for a red ring is unreal

[proud acorn]

You're actually another instance of someone not comprehending what I'm saying. I don't understand. It's like I'm speaking a different language or something.

[bleak lynx]

my uniq for 100k without lp - cost 250kk with 2 lp, price stabilize (C) ehg

[lean wind]

Prices are coming down a lot

[proud acorn]

Like I ask a question and people either answer a different question entirely that I didn't ask, or go into some philosophical tirade. And sometimes, yes, sometimes someone actually answers the question. And then people act like I didn't see it even though I did.

[proud acorn]

Of course.

It's literally the only thing that can happen. Supply and demand remain a thing, and nobody can flip items.

[proud acorn]

No shade at you or anything. But "Why don't they just" type sentences tend to be a form of oversimplification.

And I mean it when I say no shade. It's a trap I have fallen into myself.

[earnest gust]

isnt MG dead right now?

[sick imp]

10 people exploit buy 10 items( 10x10 )those 10 player that sold item for bilion buy items for milions 10x10x10 and so on, trade is dead

[quiet oxide]

red ring up to 430m now , not going down at all

[proud acorn]

As long as people keep using it, no.

[earnest gust]

yeah but there is probably like 90% of players who doesn't have any money to buy things that cost milions of coins

[proud acorn]

Not yet.

Until they find an item that lets them break into the market.

I heard red rings sell really well rn.

[earnest gust]

only if somebody buy that item

[proud acorn]

If nobody bought it it wouldn't be listed for that much.

[sick imp]

Yep chances of breaking into market are like "extremely rare" some ppl play few cycles and dont get those items

[proud acorn]

I mean something has to give.

[quiet oxide]

yeah your chance of breaking into the market now is incredibly slim

[proud acorn]

Either prices go down because people are running out of buyers, or people find ways to get the money to buy things.

[quiet oxide]

most likely has to be lp2+ of a meta item, most 0lp is just low priced now

[sick imp]

Man youre insane xd Trilions gold in market for best items when the economy of game on avarage is 3-10mln of days farming

[proud acorn]

I don't understand, why am I insane?

[sharp jay]

name an item other then red ring that cost a lot of money that isnt an lp or leg item

[proud acorn]

Who me?

[sharp jay]

anyone

[sick imp]

To start playing game intended to play as "trade cycle" instead of grind some usefull stuff you need win in jackpot whats the point

[proud acorn]

That's something you decide for yourself, I can't answer that for you.

[quiet oxide]

any t7 exalted meta mods, unstable core, jungle queen, mostly meta items

[sick imp]

In MG currently you get less items, and all you can trade is stuff thats is too common to have value so you get no upgrades like you used to get by playing trade

[proud acorn]

I wouldn't know, I have no idea what does or doesn't sell well.

[quiet oxide]

as long as you dont touch meta builds or end end game, you should be ok

[proud acorn]

Oh? I thought you were on the negative end of things but you're somewhere in the middle?

[quiet oxide]

no im rank 11 end end game, this sucks ass

[proud acorn]

You did say something positive just now tho.

[quiet oxide]

im making 40k per mono and my next upgrade is 250m at least

[sharp jay]

i found a jungle queen for 35k

[quiet oxide]

is it legendary red that requires rank 12 to buy ?

[proud acorn]

What corruption are you at?

[quiet oxide]

360

[proud acorn]

I see.

I'm not sure if I'll even reach that high. And I doubt I have any incentive to go past that.

[sick imp]

They should make new server with fresh economy or delete all gold and it will be much more healthy than it is now in trade

[quiet oxide]

there is no incentive to reach pass 400, stability gain stops at 400 and corruption pushing is massively nerfed

[proud acorn]

"Why don't they just X?" Isn't particularly constructive.

[sharp jay]

they need to fix the bug first

[quiet oxide]

there is a small possibility that the dupe is not fixed because red ring went from 1b during dupe then 139m after fix then back to 440m now

[proud acorn]

Yeah so while this won't improve your situation, this is making me fairly certain that I can still get 100% enjoyment out of this cycle.

[earnest gust]

Im enjoying myself on CoF

[sick imp]

All i got to say is they fckd their own game and no fixes in plans, you will see nice graphs in active players going to ground

[lean wind]

All my good gear has dropped from 600C+, so idk

[proud acorn]

That's just being a doomer.

[quiet oxide]

yeah corruption gives you higher chance for LP

[knotty ore]

t7 mana on amulet costs 50m atm

[proud acorn]

Regulars in this server tend to be the upper echelons of hardcore and me.

Not like hardcore mode, just people who play this game really hardcore.

[proud acorn]

What bug? The gold dupe? That's been fixed.

[sharp jay]

really ?

[proud acorn]

Yea they fixed it yesterday.

[sharp jay]

i heard it was still working as of 12 hours ago

[quiet oxide]

they said its fixed, but price is still wonky, so we can only speculate, either fixed and there's another one, or the people who duped it is very good at hiding their duped gold

[mystic atlas]

Whelp gg, i played cof last cycle and couldnt get end game gear LP3/4, this cycle started MG and we had gold dupe and i probably wont be able to afford end game gear too. So im done until next cycle or a couple cycles after if the game survives

[proud acorn]

I mean the bug that created the money is gone, the money itself still exists.

Bye.

[mystic atlas]

🫡

[sick imp]

Steam charts droped by 20% in one day in players xd

[quiet oxide]

yeah sunday to monday lost 20k, i didn't like that

[knotty ore]

i'd say its the difference between weekend and monday lol

[proud acorn]

Oh no, casuals play game for few days and move on. Sky: Falling

[mystic atlas]

Will drop much more much faster for the casuals who only put in 1-2 hours a day and cant grind out games like others

[proud acorn]

This discord has so many doomers.

[knotty ore]

but yeah i might switch to cof, was alrdy thinking about it even before the weekend. Just gonna make sure i have gear for my build thats not mg tagged first

[knotty ore]

Yeah, a bug happens and game is immediately dead apparently

[proud acorn]

It's not just this either. It's every time any old thing happens.

[mystic atlas]

Its not how it happens but what they decide to do with it. I think they have addressed this issue poorly. Especially since it hasnt been a week in, they couldve fixed it and “maybe” done a full reset in softcore trade

[proud acorn]

Like there was this minor hiccup with the servers at launch. Apparently the game was dead right then and there.

[mystic atlas]

Either way, there will be more gold dupes to come once people figure out another way

[proud acorn]

They did fix it though.... And that last thing, I'm not sure if they could even if that was a good idea.

[mystic atlas]

Yeah but applying bandaid isnt exactly a solution it stops the bleeding but you already have bled.

[proud acorn]

So I guess the only solution is to bleed to death?

[knotty ore]

they couldnt really do a full reset in softcore trade after almost a week lol. That if something would kill trade.

[proud acorn]

There is no way they should have left the bug in.

[knotty ore]

yeah absolutely. Fix the bug first and then find a solution to the aftermath, which is what they're currently doing

[proud acorn]

I mean I'm fairly sure their solution is to let the market fix itself.

And I'm inclined to agree that anything more drastic is either impossible or will do more harm than good.

[knotty ore]

Could very well be. What they could maybe do is give a free switch to CoF for mg players?

[proud acorn]

That is something that has been making the rounds. But that would require certain architecture that may not be in place at this time.

It also may not be something they want to do. For whatever reason. I don't know what they see and know and work with.

[knotty ore]

Yeah idk the logistics of making something like that happen. Or the coding, might not be possible at all. Or it could mess things up even worse haha. But I have faith in the EHG team and im still gonna keep blasting away at least untill new poe league starts

[quiet oxide]

poe league should start in 4-5 days, pob and poe builds will start to pop

[knotty ore]

poe league starts on 26th

[proud acorn]

My idea of faith in EHG is simple. I can expect them to do what needs to be done to keep the game afloat, because it's the only logical thing they can do. Because otherwise the game won't stay afloat.

[knotty ore]

but yeah pob gaming starts after stream on friday haha

[quiet oxide]

i mean the pob and poe builds section, there is a specific section in twitch called poe builds that usually have 40-60k concurrent viewers until the league starts

[proud acorn]

PoE was always going to happen regardless of this event. I don't know why people keep bringing it up.

[quiet oxide]

same genre, takes players away from LE

[proud acorn]

That was always going to happen.

[knotty ore]

Me mentioning poe had nothing to do with whats going on atm. Just said im gonna keep blasting this game anyways up untill then

[proud acorn]

I'm going to play this game past that. Because I came to this game to get away from PoE.

See that's what makes bringing it up even more ridiculous.

Like do you seriously think everybody who plays this likes PoE?

[knotty ore]

Honestly idk what ur going on about rn? I said im gonna keep blastin untill poe league starts because i enjoy this game? Like what are you arguing about here lol

[proud acorn]

This obsession to bring up PoE in unrelated discussions.

So it's not against you.

[knotty ore]

I didn't really bring it up on an unrelated topic, we were talking about something and related to that I mentioned im gonna personally keep playing up untill that point at least.

[proud acorn]

You didn't even bring it up. So that makes no sense.

[knotty ore]

ok anyways, back to topic. How much do we thinkg a 3lp strong mind is worth? It's down to 7,6m now and im thinking if I should just buy that and go slam it or wait for it to drop more

[proud acorn]

I'm not really an expert of market play.

[quiet oxide]

you should sell whatever you can now

[proud acorn]

I sell whatever I get for whatever price I think I can get for it, and then buy whatever I can afford.

[knotty ore]

Im buying not selling

[proud acorn]

That being said, logic will assume that all prices right now will remain on a downward trend for a while (on average).

[quiet oxide]

do not buy anything then

[proud acorn]

I'd say buy depending on your budget and how much you want it.

[plain glade]

yesnt. , assuming player retention rate of MG players is stable than yes.

[quiet oxide]

this is the most volatile time the market has ever been, you could be paying inflated price

[noble breach]

i mean not everything got scalped, some T7 affixes are okay, LP2 maw is okay, etc

[plain glade]

i mean for niche builds this is heaven right now most items for those are literally free xD

[noble breach]

def dont buy exalteds for millions lol

[knotty ore]

mana stacking gear got hit quite hard, especially amulet market it seems, t7 mana on amulet is dumb atm

[proud acorn]

Like, you are the buyer, in the end it is you who decides what something is worth.

[noble breach]

hybrid health is also borked but then interestingly enough % health is perfectly fine

[knotty ore]

Maybe i don't want the strong mind atm. Considering i want to slam it with t7 mana and cheapest t7 mana exalted is 40m lmao

[noble breach]

ye 7 sounds like a lot too btw

[quiet oxide]

hybrid t7 lowest 10m, wild

[knotty ore]

i did snatch a warding scroll with t7 mana yesterday with 40k, someone messed up with that haha. Atm cheapest is 50m

[proud acorn]

What's t7 melee crit like?

[lean wind]

damn stuff is selling, eu is awake x)

[noble breach]

100k on axe lol

[proud acorn]

That's not all that bad.

[noble breach]

just bought one, slamming a maw. ye you can find some holes, but the more meta your stuff is the worse are your chances

[quiet oxide]

melee is dirt cheap this cycle, any Falconer stuff is through the moon

[proud acorn]

As if I needed another reason to avoid meta chasing.

[noble breach]

i mean you would think so, but then the world splitter market was also hit very hard. some sentinel base types are also through the roof, so it's quite all over the place

[proud acorn]

I think meta chasers should be doing CoF to begin with.

Weird gold dupe bugs aside, going after what is popular will cost a lot of gold.

[knotty ore]

What do you consider meta chasers? anyone who ended up making a build that ended up being meta? I was already looking to make a sorc even before i knew its gonna be meta for this cycle

[proud acorn]

There's always a chance that whatever you choose for yourself could be meta if you don't actively avoid it

So no that doesn't make you a meta chaser.

[knotty ore]

Yeah that's kinda my point. And I acknowledged my build is gonna cost a lot when i heard its really popular for this cycle, since i wanted to do mg this cycle as well. But as it currently stands everything is quite a bit too expensive, and i just hope it keeps going down to reasonable price

[past path]

wtb 3-4 lp wing guards pls dm

[light cape]

have the prices stabilized yet?

[frozen rune]

Red ring is 400m, it was 140m yesterday, I think that answers your question

[light cape]

cof it is xd

[atomic dagger]

yea... was just about to ask, guess CoF it is for me this time around

[torpid pivot]

what is best item to farm for sell?

[gusty pivot]

Red ring

[edgy violet]

is Legendary Monument of Protection with 136% increased melee damage and 10% of melee damage leeched as health worth something?

[proud acorn]

Could check.

[knotty ore]

god damn i just dropped another 2lp jungle queen

[knotty ore]

probably jungle queen belt

Or then t7 in/dex rings + t7 mana amulet

[cinder forge]

anyone else have their faction reputation bar bugged? It stays at the same place and then just updates randomly when i spend no favour

[scenic pier]

Zimbabwe Economy

[small jay]

Anyone know what t7 crit multi is atm on 2h staff?

[tranquil relic]

sad but true...

[fresh flicker]

any idea what is best to use runes of asendance on to make money i think its helms no?

[novel geyser]

ring is safe choice

[untold adder]

The gold sellers have so much in stock that even if every active player buys gold cap rn they still would have gold in stock in the trillions

EHG can you at least lower the cap to 1b 🙂 its still fkkkd but it would help tremendously

[modern field]

apparently they were selling items to each other and the gold they have is 'safe' in the MG transaction tab

Crazy stuff.

[mental socket]

The economy is probably ruined until Cycle 3.

[frozen rune]

no no guys, the prices are going down, mods said so kappa

[proper thorn]

market x20 price again nice

[frozen rune]

but to be fair, economy still needs 2-3 days to stabilize, but it wont go back to previous prices

[proper thorn]

how to stabilize when gold dupe again and gold this game not to use ?

only using gold in ligth dungeon and 1 run need 1.5m > 2.5m how long using 1b gold

[frozen rune]

it stabilized last cycle, the prices were somewhat stagnant. the issue is that items are still gonna be 10x of the original price

[modest rover]

I wish i could filter set item stats to only find good rolls lol

[sullen valve]

Sell items then.

[modest rover]

do you gain more points from selling thasn buying

[frozen rune]

this is not the take you think it is lmao

[modest rover]

350k for a perfect set item oof, hope it lasts me a while

[sullen valve]

What take? It's just the strategical conclusion of the situation.

[modest rover]

whats the point of ppl selling stuff for 1.5 bil lol

[sullen valve]

None except if you are trying to sell RMT

[modest rover]

why

[torpid pivot]

does anyone have good merchant filter? or where to find one thats good?

[sullen valve]

The Sanctum Market discord has one based on meta builds from Maxroll

[odd widget]

well

has one for now but they just announced they'll stop updating it because EHG doesn't want to do any rollbacks

[storm mason]

Heard some radical ideas of a gold wipe (for economy reset) and a gold drop boost to remedy it. At this point of astronomical prices it actually sounds good.

[jaunty fossil]

its chill people have already left and more will leave soon. sadly 1.2 waiting room

[broken ice]

They handled it very poorly and I am disappointed. Wish I could have played for a couple weeks more until new poe league.
I am also considering not coming back for cycle 1.2 since COF is not my cup of tea, and seeing the economy get destroyed again after a couple of days in a new cycle is very demotivating.
I would have expected them to handle it better considering people described them as good game devs.

[signal leaf]

how Cant ppl be Goldcaped alredy

[frozen rune]

It seems you can buy 1 mil in-game gold for as low as 0.004083 euro. I'm afraid to even think how much gold is in circulation right now

[signal leaf]

why whould you buy when is so easy to farm

[sour apex]

it is currently 4$ for 1 billion gold

[grand jacinth]

lmao

surely no exploits left ... surely

[grim flint]

What a time to be alive

[grand jacinth]

i was so hyped for 1.1, this just kinda killed it

[signal leaf]

igusse you whould not afford the bis gear anyway, so it did not rly destry anythign for you

[grand jacinth]

on the contrary, i actually got about half bis drops of my build, including some 4 lps.
that's just worthless rn 😄

[signal leaf]

gratz to you . then it should be no Problem for you to keep buying stuff now, the bigest problem of it all now is the Gold Cap and thet p2p trade thet will reduce alot of items from the market

[grand jacinth]

you dont really see the problem here huh?
I guess its okay, your view is different than mine

[signal leaf]

if the gold Cap was higer the problem whould be less inpact full for bazzar

and we could set higer prices.

[frozen rune]

There doesn't need to be another exploit, these people are not stupid, they know what they're doing, they have billions of gold in reserves.

[scenic pier]

they need to seriously consider an alternate form of currency at this point, this game doesn't have sufficient gold sinks, regardless of the dupes

delete MG, it has no value

[odd widget]

same

[fierce river]

What is the current state of the market? Everything super expensive bc of gold dupe, or everything has no value bc of gold dupe?

Last cycle market was so broken that cof had no reason to exist, I could build up a char with 0 gold items

[scenic pier]

yes

[hollow plank]

Everything super expensive bc of gold dupe

[fierce river]

stay cof it is then

[timid viper]

really bummed that merchants doesnt seem to be an option now, started the new cycle yesterday. Guess I have to go CoF again 😦

[odd widget]

oh it never got fixed?

I thought the economy would stabilize and people would buy 0 gold items to vendor them or something but I guess so much was dumped that nobody could spend the favor to buy it all

[hollow plank]

i mean off meta stuff is still pretty cheap, but if you only need one item that is used in meta builds you are going to pay millions

[hollow plank]

just from the sites I saw, (to check how much gold all those rmters have) I can tell you that they duped gold 2-3 digits into the trillions, idk how people expect the market to stabilize 🤷‍♂️

[scenic pier]

they have no detection methods for gold sellers, it's embarrasing

[untold adder]

It never will. Even if every active player buys 1b gold there still would be trillions left over. HOW IS THERE NO GOLD CAP LMFAO

[hollow plank]

because it's hard, what they want you to do is, put an item into the market for the amount of gold you bought, and they buy it off the market, they don't need p2p trade anyway

[scenic pier]

@hollow plank it isn't hard, you can easily look at big transactions and the type of item being bought

anyone with X amount of gold increase in a given period should have their account flagged and reviewed by a human, would take 2 seconds to know if it's legit or not

[hollow plank]

there is a problem tho, if I put up rn 20 items for 1.5b in the market and 1 gets bought, I would be flagged and probably banned

[frozen rune]

no reason to spend time to sell a 4lp unique to a vendor for 500 gold

[hollow plank]

and that happened quite a lot in 1.0 from what I saw (not the flagging part, but the part were people bought stuff by missclick for way more gold then they thought)

[scenic pier]

obviously it's too late now, and they can still see what is "reasonable" at any given point in time

[untold adder]

1b gold costs 4$ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 great game EHG. Fun fact, last time i criticized the game 1. Before season started and 2. When season started, a mod or ehg employee timed me out for 24h. Where u at now come time everyone out criticizing u again

[hollow plank]

rollback would be the best option by far, but they already said they won't do it

idk what their idea is though, maybe they did this on purpose to catch all rmters? maybe they do have some kind of flagging and ban system in work
just coping at this point

[scenic pier]

it's the only option, MG is now dead for 4 months

[signal leaf]

Go Arbor t4 gratz you soon hit the gold cap

[midnight kernel]

what u go for at arbor to make some gold?

[strong hare]

Game is messed atm for MG, they're ruining their own game... they're not going to do anything about it. I know some people dont want COF but what they NEED to do it let MG people swap 1 time with their currently equipped gear to COF and let them play from there.

[hollow plank]

ye if you criticize them a lot they time you out, happened to me a couple times already haha, but you are right 😅

[strong hare]

If they want any type of player retention thats what they need to do

[hollow plank]

peak of mountain 0 or 2LP or foot of the mountain 2+ LP

[signal leaf]

at the end you Gambel and open chest and they can duplicate item up to 8 times if is nor more dont remeber

[midnight kernel]

yeah I know the normals drops but I wonder what u go for with the chest like exalts or u go for uniques?

[hollow plank]

they said it's not possible because [insert reason I don't remember anymore]

[signal leaf]

there is prog a youtube guide for it to maximize profhet. is abit deppending on items too thet are meta

[acoustic citrus]

I don't understand MG tbh, I came from COF, when I list something it costs me my own favor, but how tf do I gain favor, it doesn't tell me if I will gain any or not, only that it costs me favor I constantly have no favor and can't do anything with MG

[midnight kernel]

oh cool ill check it out and u get favor easily by pushing corruption

[hollow plank]

killing mobs, and you gain it quite quickly if you gain some ranks on mg

[midnight kernel]

problem is COF just sucks which is sad but now with these dupes 2 cycles in a row makes both ass..

[sour apex]

you spend favor to list item, the favor you lost convert into 2.2x rep

[acoustic citrus]

ah this is what I needed

[iron quiver]

what is even happening in this game man
phantom grip with good rolls and no LP is ten million gold

[acoustic citrus]

still confused how ppl are making gold profit, most ppl put items up for zero gold to just earn rep but I keep finding awesome items that cost nothing , only the uber min max items are worth gold, seems like a flawd system no?

[iron quiver]

I get that it's a good ring but like it's COMMON, I can just go to age of winter and print money probably

[odd widget]

4lp items are selling for 0 gold? what

[odd widget]

yes it is, I asked the devs and I got no answer so far #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

well my question was incomplete I guess

[frozen rune]

no, but some 3lp and 4lp are very cheap, im sure if you look at something like the hammer of lorent with 4lp or whatever it is called you'll see a very low price. im just saying buying items for 0 gold and selling them to npc vendor for 500 gold isnt a viable money gain strategy

[blissful sundial]

wipe when please 😦

[scenic pier]

december 😂

[odd widget]

if it didn't cost favor maybe the market would stabilize but yeah spending thousands of favor (which is a very time gated resource) to vendor things is definitely not a good idea

[wild girder]

Login. Check Bazaar. See Prices. Alt F4.

[scenic pier]

why did they think 50 different vendors and garbage search was a good idea?

[small jay]

The search functions suck. Cant sesrch specific unique affix lvls. Cant search up multiple different tiers of sffixes on exalted items etc

[frozen rune]

yeah going to 50 different vendors is such a weird design choice

[misty patio]

hmm 4 phantom grip rings with exactly same stats put on bazaar 4 mins ago, quite suspicious imo...

[hollow plank]

maybe the seller kept relisting them for exp?
but 4min ago tho mhm

[storm mason]

Most likely from Lightless arbor?

[rugged vector]

wow, market got blown up last 10hr again right? i bit the bullet and bought some t7 slamming stuff in case prices got worse and they 3x'd again sheesh

[sleek meteor]

Really lost motivation to play. I was trying to make a legendary of my main weapon with 2-3 good affixes and each attempt took a reasonable amount of farming. Now all the items I need are completely unaffordable since I didn't dupe. Do you think they're going to do anything about this?

[rugged vector]

was there another dupe or just people holding gold spending it?

[hollow plank]

meh, probably like last cycle, nothing, bug is fixed and now they pray

[storm mason]

CM in general chat says that they're waiting on dev's decision, since they're us based. No "verdict" yet, but personally hope for a complete gold wipe.

[rugged vector]

oh is that an option? so early in the season that isn't a terrible outcome. nothing's gonna be perfect but thats pretty good

[storm mason]

It's just a community sentiment at the moment, nothing concrete.

[rugged vector]

appreciate the clarity

[gaunt maple]

Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in EHG for not having a pre-drawn playbook for addressing economic shocks. This isn't a technical issue at this point, it's an economic strategy issue. And the fact that it seems like they're still figuring out what the economic strategy for them is under hyperinflation conditions sends just the absolute worst signal to the market. I have zero confidence they can manage economies going forward and it makes me far far less likely to play this game going forward.

Even if they had said "it's going to take some time to implement, but here are the hard choices we had to make"...even if it took DAYS to implement the fix, knowing what their economic philosophy is would in itself create new market conditions. Right now the "we'll just let things stabilize" approach is a signal to the market and a very bad one for those players who haven't broken into the high end of the market because the barrier of entry to the high end is exponentially higher than it was two days ago.

Like, gold farming was once a viable strategy for MG, it really was. That entire strategy is seemingly dead for the next 3 months. Awful, awful.

[untold adder]

Wipe all gold. Period

[gaunt maple]

you don't even need to wipe all gold...it should be possible for them to manipulate the currency data tables and set a temporary gold ceiling that reduces the money supply, that would wipe out the most wealthy players' wealth and would suck for them, but it wouldn't require setting them to zero. And cancel all current AH transactions. The goal is to get the money supply to a mangeable number and there are multiple options to achieve that before going nuclear and setting everyone to zero.

They could even announce this ahead of time allowing high wealth players to cash out and buy their last pieces of gear before the cap hits

[still flower]

introduce a massive item quality drop rate % to flood the game with good loot

[untold adder]

We are early in wipe. Ffs its not even a week. Its a good reset. Wipe all gold, some ppl will cry for a day or 2 but then EVERYONE is on the same page.

[gaunt maple]

I just don't see the need to reset to zero when you can do something less severe that affects less players 🤷‍♂️ ...but wiping to zero is at least better than what they're doing now (seemingly nothing).

[untold adder]

What they are doing now is encourage RMT. Wtf. Are they selling gold themselves? How can u run a company but not something less significant like aj in game merchant guilde

[still flower]

force the dirty gold to b spent with a flood of loot that will enter the bazaar

[untold adder]

Give people 1 day to spend all the gold they wanna spend then reset all gold and we are done. We need a drastic simple solution its still early in wipe the dmg is not too much

But a solution must be implement now

[still flower]

i have a slight feeling, the team doesnt know how to seal the exploit.. yet

[honest cave]

Resetting gold would be giga bad. Just reset the whole season.

[clever lintel]

Guys, when wipe is coming?

[untold adder]

This also makes sense given the situation we can observe

[still flower]

imagine restart the season, then the exploit reappears again, oh my goodness

[frozen rune]

3-4 months

[still flower]

i hope for the best but meanwhile i am not dabbling in 1.1
i play only MG on 1.0

[dreamy dagger]

i don't how to play this game any more I can't buy anything in the auction house

[sleek meteor]

the only option rn is wait and hope they do something about it

either let us do a 1-time transfer to cof and keep our gear/rep, or soft reset all player gold. those are 2 suggestions ive seen that would work.

[tight bough]

does anyone know if a +2 all skills nihilis is worth anything? (0lp)

[hollow plank]

they said they won't do the transfer from mg to cof, ain't possible from what I read

[sleek meteor]

they could at least untag MG items if they leave MG unplayable for non-dupers

[honest cave]

Gold reset would only serve the casuals. They would get "in par" with the efficient players who have already gained 10 to 100x more gold in a week for playing the game more. Season reset would be way better and would serve both casuals and efficient gamers equally.

[limber mirage]

Does anyone have a sword exulted sword with melee ice, cold, and spell damage for trade?

[hollow plank]

ye that's the problem, there will always be more casual players then "serious" players, and if they do polls like the ones they did for the pinnacle boss, the casual voice will always win, so if they did a poll on this you could say bye bye to your gold for sure, and I would lose all my gold too obv, and I did play quite a lot

[sleek meteor]

no point in being an 'efficient gold farmer' if gold is worthless. i have millions of gold but i didnt dupe so im billions short of what is needed to buy upgrades. gold reset would help everyone.

[sleek arch]

Is anyone facing this weird bug in MG, where it show you level6 for example with 4-5 points in, then you buy an item from the Faction Vendor, and then you're like level 7 with 4-5 points in? wtf

[honest cave]

You don't farm gold by farming gold. You farm gold by farming items and selling them. Doing an efficient 8h session after work without a single break with strict filter and stashing everything is more than a casual gamer would achieve in 50 hours. Hell, I'd argue the 8h efficient session could even be more than a casual gamers can do in 100 hours. Empy's group is a good example of it.

[hollow plank]

what's more efficient then that? ||work for 1 hour (if you get 20$ per hour) you can buy 5b gold with that (rmt) 🤷‍♂️
guess that's by far the most efficient method rn||

[sleek meteor]

yes I'm aware of that. thats completely irrelevant though. anyone who employed that 'strategy' basically lost all of their progress from before the dupe because the items they sold before then they sold for very little gold comparatively. the gap between the players who played on dupe day and sold items for billions, and they players who didn't, is way too high right now. its not a difference of being 'casual' vs 'efficient'. it's simply the market got destroyed and some people benefited way more than others

[honest cave]

Yeah, and that's why the Season reset would be the way to go to make it equal for everybody. It's about being on the "first wave" of efficient players in Season start and making a big money on the first week when 99.99999% of the playerbase are lower rank than you in MG and still doing campaign while you're already blastin empowered monos and grabbing those gg items.. Now if you would just reset the gold everybody would be on the "same wave" and the efficient ppl would just lose their edge over the others.

I sold a Sentinel chest right before the dupe for 5mil. It woulda sold for 1.5bil, but what can you do. The economy is bricked already. The only hope is to find a gg item and sell it for 1.5b and get back on track with the gearing. Or rather find multiple 1.5b items. Exactly like last season when we blasted Arbor for weeks in a row to get 20-30bil to gear up

[fresh plover]

ye if they dont wipe the gold its not savable, gold sellers have quantillion of gold in stocks and minimum sell of 1bil gold for pennies, it will be impossible for ehg to ban those bots since there are so many of them

[honest cave]

Just ban those peeps I guess

[hollow plank]

to be exact it's 99.996% (because there are around 25k players around) 99,99999% would be like 1 in 10m

[honest cave]

Touché 😄

[hollow plank]

hahaha 😂

[hearty dagger]

Is there some type of good doc that easily shows what Uniques sell and which ones don't? Checking manually is a hassle since I don't know who needs what

[honest cave]

I'm not a tech guy by in any means, but couldn't one just write an algorithm which scans for ppl who got to gold cap (2,147b) on the dupe day and ban those? Then write another one to track the gold where it went and ban those as well? Surely there isn't hundreds of ppl who did the duping. I'd like to think it's just a handful of ppl who did it and just distributed the gold on their mule accounts.

[honest cave]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JBr5szxF0FRoNiPf52QJrXRDrhOKF9OB7Ma11L6j3Ic/edit?gid=0#gid=0 This was being done right before the dupe happened. It's still quite accurate tho

[fresh plover]

i have no idea, but i know that we have exact SAME situation as in 1.0, letter by letter. and devs saying "economy is recovering" is pure copium nonsense, it will not, last season it recovered 2 months later when 95% of players left the game 🙂

[honest cave]

Yeah indeed

[fresh plover]

i was playing last cycle for 3 months all on mg with different character and saw it all, im not gonna do the same this cycle tbh, idk why devs dont see it

and its so easy to make money just go to lightless arbor for 1 week and youll be decked out, will i do it tho...nope been there done that. and besides that market for 1.1 is way worse at least for sentinel, dont see a point of having millions of gold with no items to buy, so why would i even farm those billions

[hollow plank]

where is my champion regalia with t7 % health?
not there, and if it is for a couple 3x digit million

why the hell are there no bases for sentinel, ahhh because nobody plays it I guess 😭

[fresh plover]

EXACTLY MY POINT

[hollow plank]

at that point you are incentivized to rmt (in mg), and imo it's completely the devs fault

[fresh plover]

did u know that there was no t6% health lionheart helmet for 5 days 🤡 and 2 appeared on day 7 🤡 , nobody plays sentinel, no helmets no bodys, i started literally picking up and wasting my favor to list random t7/t6 sentinel exalteds so that other people would have more options to buy

[hollow plank]

yes, i was literally checking it for 3 days straight, got one today with t6 % health and got an upgrade tho

t5 vitality, t4 strength
t6 % health, t5 health
t4 sealed % increased armor effect shred

[fresh plover]

its so trash, not only they shafted sentinel balance wise and its garbage even with op immortal shield bash...sure ye if anyone has 65 billions of gold to gear it, but now its also shafted economy wise

[hollow plank]

well op or not, you can have 90% dot reduction and the dots will destroy you anyway

[jaunty fossil]

Market has completely crashed, why is there no action?

[fresh plover]

its worse than that, besides market crashing there are still gold sellers with QUANTILLIONS of gold still in stock and ready to be sold......fixing dupe changed nothing

[hollow plank]

i can have % less dmg taken from dots on my amulet
% armor applies to dot on my champion regalia, on my weavers will sentinel relic
on the implicit of my gloves and a t7 experimental % armor applies to dot, the dots will eat me, they need to get nerfed at this point, that dot dmg slaps so hard, that I am about to slap my pc into pieces

[jaunty fossil]

This is really a joke, cap all player gold to 10m AND START OVER or we are all over

[hollow plank]

ye just like misha said, there is still that much gold out there, that it doesn't matter at all that they fixed the gold dupe

[mellow monolith]

i just sold titan heart 2lp for 40m there go my titan heart ig

[hollow plank]

they did nothing last season too, literally 3 months dead ass season

[mystic badger]

anybody got any idea why my weaver will relic after fully revealed cannot be put of merchant to be sold?

[tough hound]

Two cycles in a row, I've learned my lesson now. LE will be my SSF game that I play with my friends. PoE will be my market sim game.

[grand jacinth]

Without a gold sink that would just make the gold change hands tbh, unless they do something relevant about it, its not gonna get better

[fresh plover]

@hollow plank i rerolled cof saf, gonna try a completely new way of playing warpath with focus on void cleave, bis setup does 22 mil crits on paper

[hollow plank]

did you buy it from the market, revealed it and are trying to sell it? does it have the mg tag on the bottom right?
do you have enough favor?

[hollow plank]

i think i'm going back to offline and ||modding ||

[fresh plover]

also an option

[mystic badger]

bought from market,then revealed. so cannot unless its a natural drop with self reveal?

[hollow plank]

Yes, if it's tagged on the bottom right you can't sell it, I also find it stupid tbh

[mystic badger]

ooo okok tyty, ikr wanted to sell den buy another one to test

[bronze quest]

So is the economy destroyed again already in 1.1?

[azure zephyr]

yees

[bronze quest]

JFC....thank god PoE comes out next week. Guess my hunch 1.1 would be a flop was right. Maybe 1.2....will be good.

[azure zephyr]

they did make a lot of great changes too be fair

[jaunty fossil]

Sadly the game by itself is very good, but this hurts it so much 😦

[azure zephyr]

MG is just ded, my guess is CoF players are enjoying the cycle

[bronze quest]

MG needed a ton of improvements from 1.0 and they didnt do much in 1.1, still horrid grind, and duping is unacceptable. Client to Server they need to be hardened, and watching actual gold sinks. I've said this in 1.0 and it still is same in 1.1 . In MG there is no true economy, the value of gold isnt stable and pricing is ALL over the place. Now once again early in a 1.1 exploit happens, and isnt stopped, now its absolutely pointless to play MG.

[untold adder]

I agree

[frozen rune]

market has been kinda dead for my build too this cycle, some idols have one page, or a few entries, no new items arrive, i know the playerbase is smaller now but damn...MG feels dead, I think 1.2 will be even worse, guess Im going cof in 1.2

[fresh plover]

what are u playing m8?

[frozen rune]

its joever https://imgur.com/a/hezgolF

[bronze quest]

Honestly, anyone with over 10mil gold should be wiped to 10mil, the economy cant exist in its current state. You may lose some players but you 100% will lose players by not addressing the false inflation

[frozen rune]

spark charge spellblade, i was looking for idols with ward on flameward and spark charge on hit, the entire week i've seen like 3-5 on the market at a time (2 low rolls never sold, one high roll was listed for insane amount and was never bought as well), bought 2-3 with better rolls and dropped a few myself

[fresh plover]

it goes deeper than that a lot of people have unredeemed 1.5bil items in stash of AH, so they also need to adress that, but we all are on copium nothing will be done

[fresh plover]

oof ye and are shafted

[bronze quest]

I mean it should be fairly easy to have some sort of monitoring/logging to get alerts when players are hitting certain IMPOSSIBLE thresholds

proactive monitoring needs to be happening, not reactive.

[frozen rune]

ye, should have just stayed meta slave

[novel geyser]

surely they would have had implement some type of tracking system after this thing happened the first time last cycle :shirley

[bronze quest]

😄 you'd think

[fresh plover]

nah just go cof, the thing with cof you clearly have to know what kind of items you can get and what you can not, plus you need farming strats, game knowlegde, but if u got it you can gear majority of builds on cof

[frozen rune]

yep i'm either taking a break till 1.2 drops or going cof with a new toon, but I'm afraid I'll become insane if I do the campaign for the 3rd time this cycle

[fresh plover]

take a break for couple days and come back in chill mode cof

[bronze quest]

3.25 next week is going to drain the entire playerbase

[mellow monolith]

Sell high value stuff millions of gold and profit life has been pretty gud lately buying t7 from market

[frozen rune]

true, seems like a good league with the qol changes, waiting for the mechanic reveal tho

[silver solstice]

Mg rank carries over to alts yeah?

[fresh plover]

yes

[crimson coral]

did ehg come out and talk about the ruined bazar?

[modern field]

they're not doing anything

[crimson coral]

well thats sad, hope they prevent it from happening again in future cycles or delete mg

[honest cave]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/regarding-the-recent-gold-exploit/72555

[earnest gust]

So nothing new?

[tough light]

if no rollback or something like remove MG tags so I can switch to cof, I'll just stop playing. feels like I just wasted my time

[midnight kernel]

this happened last cycle too and they did nothing so I imagine they do nothing once again

[frozen rune]

you did mate, sory i had to tell you that

"Been tracking the stock of these sellers and past hour alone only on 1 platform they sold 81b" from forum, big if true

[ruby pulsar]

I learned my lesson last time and went COF this time!

[dusk pivot]

i just ask on the forum the next steps on what will happen with the dupe gold that is still in the MG but some white knight still don't believe that those trade site sold this much or that the fact that we have billions in MG in this cycle.

[hearty dagger]

Is it safe to say that in terms of selling on the AH, EVERY LP1 unique is worthless?

[hollow plank]

only the ones that are extremely rare on lp2 are something worth on LP1

[tepid edge]

MG is for sure the way to go. It is just too easy to find exactly what you need for a build.

[storm mason]

Theory is that there's still accounts with negative gold values, meaning they can service rmt buyers indefinately, unless EHG intervenes. Otherwise it's hard to explain the prices not moving since yesterday.

[frosty verge]

So I dont know enough about the economy as i tried cof first in 1.0 and then moved over to test MG just before the other massive gold dupe.

But is there tools to track prices? Good streamers who talk about the economy or such. Cuz I dont know how people are spotting the inflation compared to what it "should" be

[flint dawn]

Nice patchnotes 😄 and 0 words about recovering economy and saving the game

[dusk pivot]

yes they lost 4-5k players base on steam charts in 1 day by taking no action on the gold itself that was introduce .

[storm mason]

Holy crap, there's FIVE red rings available on trade. I'm sure the prices will SURELY go down, like the copium-infused "justfarmbros" told us! (unique ones, that is)

[bleak matrix]

What is the Red Ring people keep talking about?

[storm mason]

Basically one of the rarest and most powerful (in the slot) items in the game.

[mellow monolith]

Is 160 attributes invest bonus worth, i have 1 on my druid dunno if i should get more attribute or invest on dirt cheap t7 crit gear on market

[glass rune]

Don't worry folks, "The Prices have Stabalized" according to EHG!

[storm mason]

Prices and demand say yes, it counts TOTAL stats values combined. Ring alone gives you 20-25, and you can equip two (if you're a baller).

[mellow monolith]

Gonna need copium amount of rune of ascending for that feat in this economy lol

[dusk pivot]

"The Prices have Stabilized" according to EHG! is this a April's fool's joke ?

[gusty pivot]

Stabilized at 1.5kkk and not going anywhere

[bleak matrix]

Right now 1 nice exalt goes for 1~5 million depending on how rare it is, u can get 400m for 3 $

[flint dawn]

1 bill gold for 6$ , nice EHG, you fixed NOTHING

[dusk pivot]

they fixed some stuff (we not denying what they put in patch notes) but nothing regarding to MG

[bronze quest]

There is no FIX without gold wipe. Damage is done, without that no reason to play MG.

[dusk pivot]

they can remove gold but they don't do it. Just scare of backlash so instead let MG die

[glass rune]

They don't need to wipe everyones gold, but they should have plenty of tools to detech abnormal amounts and track it and just flat out remove it

[dusk pivot]

i didn't say wipe all

[bronze quest]

They can wipe to a certain "achievable amount"

[dusk pivot]

just the abnormal amounts and show ppl they care for MG

[flint dawn]

Only one way "Rollback server to the start" . Gold's wipe will not help, look on bazaar, it's broken

[bronze quest]

Wiping gold fixes that, because outrageous prices wont sell if the max gold everyone starts at is 10mil whoevever had crazy amounts

[dusk pivot]

u know u can still trade with MG on ah even without player to player trade

just tell what item u listed on MG and price and have a trade with your "friend"

[fierce glen]

They should just increase the drop rate of the items temporarily for this league lol to deflate the items, them not touching anything for the beginning of this cycle is completely wild to me

[glass rune]

There must have been another dupe or something found. Prices did start to stabalize a bit yesterday, and everything has skyrockted again today

[crimson coral]

100% or they didnt catch all the accounts, people are still selling 1b gold for like 6$

[storm mason]

Hey, that's a whopping 2$ more than it was a couple hours ago! "the economy is recovering!" lol

[glass rune]

I'm sure they didn't, but since it did start to level out to a certain extent I had started to think they had got enough of them.

At this point, they should allow current MG to not only switch to COF and get the level of COF, and allow us to use our current MG tagged items

[odd widget]

^ agreed

I deeply regret believing EHG fixed MG and picking it again, it's pretty much unchanged from the sorry state it was at launch (except I had never seen prices in hundreds of millions before stopping at launch, unlike now lol)

[bleak matrix]

Pretty sure they won't do anything just like they did last cycle, its time for boat league

[odd widget]

if someone from EHG ever reads this message, you guys are doing great work but please fix MG or at least communicate with us what you're planning to do 😅

[spark grotto]

Meh I gave merchants guild another chance this patch, but with the state of the AH, its really pointless. I would recommend anyone deciding between the two to go CoF, merchants guild is not worth it while items are 100mil+.

[odd widget]

totally agreed, I just got my first million from selling stuff but instead of feeling accomplished now that everything is worth in the hundreds I feel like a clown lol

[sullen valve]

Rare and useful items used by a lot of people are expensive. News at eleven.

[storm mason]

🤡 , there's 4 on the market, 3 of them are almost at goldcap price.

[frozen rune]

Some items have an empty listing mate

[storm mason]

Let him cook, he's typing for almost ~~ 2 ~~ 5 minutes now. Must be something very smart!

[frozen rune]

Eternal gauntlets with t7 int were 300k-20 mil, now there is one pair for 50mil

[sullen valve]

I'm not writing anything. I said what had to be said. Too many people are drama queens. That's it.

[storm mason]

Damn, disappointing.

[sullen valve]

I'm long past wasting my time arguing with people over Internet. You have your opinion, I have mine. Others will choose who they feel more aligned with.

[storm mason]

You just did tho.

[sullen valve]

I just politely replied. I'm gone now. Have a nice evening, or day, whatever.

[storm mason]

"politely" lol, okay. You even managed to miss the point of the original message that was about crazy inflation post exploit. Ta-ta!

[flint dawn]

This company as the same as Amazon games, they got a dupes in New World, They not delete gold from servers and hidden banks and then they lost players from 1 million to 3000 people. I think Last Epoch have the same future

[broken ice]

Red Rings are at 1bil again. Economy is healing! Disappointing

[frosty tapir]

do those rings only spawn during the echo reward or can it drop in the age of winter maps

[odd widget]

idk what would be the downside of tying the favor cost of what you're selling to it's gold cost

[frozen rune]

random drop

[frosty tapir]

guess ill just start spam farming age of winter maps then, i thought it was only on the echo rewards that it could even drop so i didnt even bother farming it yet lol

[frozen rune]

i got mine from rune of ascendance, i think most people do, dont have the data to back it up tho

[jaunty fossil]

That's really sad they aren't doing anything, a lot of people already left, such a waste of a good season and game

[sullen valve]

New World had far greater problems than its economy. Last Epoch will do as fine as it's meant to, which for now is still going to be 3rd place after D4 and PoE. No more, no less.

[frosty tapir]

whats the easiest way to farm that? literally only 2 days into the game so no clue whats going on tbh lmfao

[frozen rune]

rune of ascendance? i think you can set-up a second character in cof and farm them

[frosty tapir]

def will give that a whirl then, i saw someone farming the lightless arbor chest but was spending ~3mil per run so def not gonna try that lol

[dreamy dagger]

if u got a godly drop and use rune creation to make a copy and sell both?

[frozen rune]

yeah

[frozen cloak]

Another destroyed league due to merchant trade gold bug omg

[sullen valve]

The only thing destroyed at this point is the capacity for some people to think straight if you ask me. Whether there is enough people with that train of thought who leave and it kills MG definitively or not, that remains to be seen.

[round wasp]

no they're right, there's dozens of vultures sitting on market as we speak using their hundreds of millions to snipe every relevant 3/4 lp that pops

[flint igloo]

Haha that dupe was funny in new world. unplug ethernet during trade and dupe your inventory

[frozen rune]

red ring at 1 bil, up from 400 mil

[round wasp]

i should've grabbed the one i saw at 150m

[sullen valve]

I completely disagree with the statement "they are right". But that's just my opinion as much as yours is yours, so that's that.

[round wasp]

i just dropped an item worth probably 5 billion... i don't think it's a functional game for mg rn

[sullen valve]

Just sell it, don't think twice about it if you won't use it.

[round wasp]

i could probably use a 4lp peak

[torpid reef]

is the garbage shop system reworked to not be the worst part of the game or is it still the same?

[barren hornet]

still the same, sadly. Idk how people can tolerate it

[torpid reef]

its unironically not usable without getting triggered

[sullen valve]

We don't tolerate it. We reported all that could be reported already. Only thing we can do meanwhile until EHG improves it is to work with what we have

[barren hornet]

Same

[torpid reef]

yeah idk, ill rather go COF until they rework it.

[barren hornet]

I just swapped over. I can't with this marketplace

[sullen valve]

You can. But I'm already R9+ MG so I won't.

[lament cliff]

when we sell items do we get the favor as part of the price or no?

[mellow monolith]

Same being able to buy t7 hybird health and crit stuff for barely anything truely huge qol upgrade, always believe mg is run by ppl goodwill instead of random bs

[torpid reef]

same last season, wont do it again

[night wolf]

hol up is the gold bug back again?

[strong hare]

Still broken eh?

[bronze quest]

Ya 1.2 is dead, thank god for poe 3.25 next week

[night wolf]

bruh I was so happy the market was fine again yesterday

[bronze quest]

Ya its absolutely f'd. Gold inflation is insanity due to another dupe

[strong hare]

Nah I know. I refuse to swap to COF and start over. Unelss they allow a 1 time xfer over with MG gear.

[grand jacinth]

another one ?

[bronze quest]

yep

[strong hare]

Yeah POE it is. EHG is literally destorying their own game. Noone will come back.

[fresh plover]

it was not fine at all yrday hahah

[bronze quest]

I mean...last league went from 250k to 50k this league

[fresh plover]

is it confirmed another dupe? cause to me it seems more that gold sellers still having quanitlion of gold and pumping that into economy, so prices only rise

that would be funny if there was another dupe right after previous was fixed

[strong hare]

Wouldnt suprise me at this point.

[fresh plover]

oh i know, just wanted to find out if its true that currently we still have unfixed gold exploit

[grand jacinth]

same

[strong hare]

Just let us swap over to COF so we can at least enjoy the game. Insane how they havent implemented that yet.

[silver ingot]

its pretty funny seeing the hardcore market stay pretty stable during both cycle's gold dupes

[fresh plover]

i agree they should add a button merge to SAF, that way you can use it only once and you cant come back cause no trade on saf

[strong hare]

Who even plans on playing 1.2 they havent fixed it since release lol

[strong hare]

10000% what they need to do. It will keep the players playing. Player retention is most important and theyre not doing a good job.

[grand jacinth]

the thing is, there is no real gold sink.
you sell an item for 1 billion, the item gets marked as mg and cant be flipped. thats good.
the money goes 100% for the other person, with no tax whatsoever...
The money just changes hands, but turns into a market-f-up snowball that never ends 😄

[strong hare]

The issue is its only on the endgame GG lp2-4 things.

[grand jacinth]

no market gold sink is a huge issue imo

[strong hare]

SO now you have to PRAY you get one that sells for 500mill to afford ONE piece you will prolly brick in sanctum.

[grand jacinth]

yup io agree

[strong hare]

I farmed and bought a red ring early on for 5.5 mill (found a phantom ring +2 3LP sold for 15mill) now thew red ring is 500mill and a +2 phantom lp3 is also like 500mill lol like wtf

[grand jacinth]

maybe gold tax for selling, favor + gold for buying, something on those lines.

[strong hare]

You can actually farm and craft rares and exalted gear to get to 5mill -6mill (pretty easily) to afford lp3 gear but no way you can do that when gear is 500mill- 1bill each

Yeah exactly. One of my fav parts was drafting and making some exalted items sick I crafted a t7 spark charge on hit helm earlier sold it for 10mill. Usually a nice hit now 10mill is literally worth nothing I cant buy anything with it lol

[sleek veldt]

why is the game even online without the MG

[sour apex]

mg is shut down ?

[strong hare]

Might as well be

[mystic spire]

how you gona fix this? its over for MG,even if the dupeS are fixed the gold stays and the prices will stay inflated

[strong hare]

Let every1 that is MG get a free swap to COF 1 time with MG gear

Then we can all stll play and have fun cuz the game is good af. Its just devs arent giving us the right options to continue to play

[mystic spire]

Isn't that like admitting defeat?Guys its over for MG,everyone gets a free swap to CoF

[sleek veldt]

they should just remove gear tags for the rest of the cycle

[strong hare]

They have been defeated twice lol

[sleek veldt]

ya but MG is busted this cycle

[mystic spire]

oh i'm 90% certain next cycle it will be the same for MG

[strong hare]

No MG can goto COF 1 time COF cannot goto MG that wouldnt be okay.

Yeah if anyone is still playing next cycle... lol new poe season next week. They need to get their stuff together here and make it so MG players dont quit.

[sleek veldt]

they should just let everyone use trade and rework the merchant guild rank bonuses

[mystic spire]

How are you gona make MG players stay at this point?It is over

[strong hare]

I personally dont like COF I like market aspects of the game but the game IS good enough that I will play COF until they get it fixed But i refuse to start over in COF im on 700 corruption

[glass rune]

If I didn’t have my orians tagged MG, I would have already swapped over. I somehow got that two days ago. Someone listed it for 200k, could not believe it

[strong hare]

Agreed im rank 11 in MG atm. I wouldnt even mind leveling up COF just give us a 1 time pass to hop over to COF with MG gear so we can at least play and have fun,

[fresh plover]

depends on what class/build u are playing, for me it was awful so far

[sleek veldt]

game will never be big if they can't fix it

[strong hare]

Its weird I do feel like they really care. I think they scrambling like a Mfer TBH because they know theyre loing people for good. But they NNEEEEEDDD to let MG swap to COF so players will stay,

[mystic spire]

i bet only minority will accept this kind of solution,most ppl dont like ssf

[strong hare]

I was all about doing a 12 hour rollback TBH i would have lost so much stuff but would have been worth it if it didnt break the game imo

[strong hare]

I agree man, I dont like SSF either I like markets and economy in game. But the gameplay is fun enough I would deff mess with it until it gets fixed if it ever did tbh.

[sleek veldt]

can you still collect your sold listings if you switch to cof?

[strong hare]

I doubt it. Never played COF tbh.

[night wolf]

10/10 would not recommend COF unless you have lots of time or light filtering 95% of drops

[strong hare]

Now im staring at steam not knowing wtf I wanna play lol.

[glass rune]

I think they meant busted, as in bad, not good. Y’all are agreeing

Even a later response if they could remove the excess gold or at least the majority of it.

Yeah, and it’s starting to look like there is some other dupe as well.

[strong hare]

Yeah people were saying that b4 that there was another cycle of ppl doing it again idk if its true though.

lol

[glass rune]

The market had started to stabilize, but the. Today or late yesterday things skyrocketed again

[strong hare]

At this point they need to do something drastic to fix this or nobody will come back the rest of this season / next season game will be dead.

Lol yeah they needed to not mess anything up before the POE season and man did they not do that. Now almost every MG player is going to POE

[broken ice]

We would have gone to poe anyway, but we would have played LE for almost 2 more weeks instead of quitting now.

[strong hare]

Fair

[thick cape]

this season ended before it started..

[flint dawn]

This cycle had no chances since they announced it in the same month with POE 😄

[teal tendon]

can someone here hit me with a bazarr waypoint?

[thick cape]

nope, gold dupe fcked up the whole season right at the start of it.. and no rollback of course.

[sleek meteor]

yeah they need to remove the tags from MG items if they're just going to leave the market like this

currently if you're in merchants guild the only activity worth doing is pathing to exalt monos and listing whatever you find for 1billion gold
if you enjoy doing anything else, it's a waste of time, so you might as well switch to cof... hope you weren't attatched to any mg tagged items

[vocal reef]

I was very late to the season and had no trouble buying very good gear. A lot of my pieces were literally 0 gold. I think people upset are either making things up or want the one item the dupers used to move gold around.

[dreamy dagger]

This is really sad

[teal tendon]

can anyone please give me a waypoint?

[wanton quarry]

0 gold items are for exp u get from listing things

U get progress from spending favor aswell

[vocal reef]

I know, people aren't aware there is a vendor that sells gear in the bazaar xD

[fresh plover]

there are plenty of reasons for people to be upset and they are all valid tbh, dont see why we need to deal with this kind of market in the first place

the sole reason people go mg is to get good items not 0 gold pieces 😅

[vocal reef]

It's just wild flailing anger, it's no different than PoE when the good items go from 1 divine to 120 in under a week. You get a good item to drop and you get enough gold to buy all your stuff. I was also just pointing out that a lot of gear is FREE

[fresh plover]

the gear that is free is free for a reason(nobody needs it)

[vocal reef]

4 pieces I am wearing are free and my build is capable of 600+ so far

[fresh plover]

well good for u, other people play other builds,if your build has a lot of pieces for 0 gold then its clearly offmeta things

[still flower]

one's playing experience dont represent everyone's

[wanton quarry]

And ur ok with it, i declared spellblade that needs 2 red rings im not getting any time soon (check market prices)

[fresh plover]

also thats a wild comparison, in poe items never dissapear from market cause you can resell, its not the same where a guy pays 10$ and wipes whole market for 1 item and those items never return to trade

[vocal reef]

I mean red rings are hard to get even without ite dupes existing

[still flower]

so while u got the max out of the bazaar, most others aren't and it is no coincidence everyone is fuming at the same time.

[wanton quarry]

With cof u get them one day

[vocal reef]

I don't think that's true even a little bit

[fresh plover]

with cof rr are garanteed with 1lp if u know what u are doing and playing for 1month plus, several people i know already have 2-3 rr on week 1 cof

[vocal reef]

CoF is all RNG, I played it last cycle, it took me 4 days just to get a non LP unique catalyst. Even with how "bad" MG is right now, it's still 100 times faster than CoF

[fresh plover]

i think the main reason people are upset is cause we had same situation last cycle step by step

[wanton quarry]

U still have a chance to drop the desired item and ur also targeting it, in mg if something is expensive then ur not getting it any time soon

[fresh plover]

no u can still get it easy now, just sit in lightless arbor all day and u earn billions, is it fun tho? not at all, also u might not get anything cause some dude rolls up and buys out items before u do

[wanton quarry]

I can believe 30mil is farmable, but 300? Not this year

[shrewd nexus]

There's nothing that burns gold. Like d4 masterworking costs 5mil. Supply would increase even without dupes or bots

[vocal reef]

Right but your math is missing the part where you sell items for millions of gold. There is maybe 1 item you couldn't realistiaclly farm in a few days, and that last one can be done with multiple good item drops.

[wanton quarry]

in mg u either sell for 0 or xxx milions tho

[vocal reef]

No different than PoE

[shrewd nexus]

Yeah I consider any sale of mine under a mil a charity. Like this weaver's will gear might be useless for me but BiS for another build. Only reason not to put it at 0 is so it doesn't stay in the stash forever

[wanton quarry]

but in poe there are niches that u can profit from like Carries and craft services

here we got none of that because of 0 achievements and loot rules

[vocal reef]

Right but in PoE you also need near perfect gear to do those carries. There is nothing in LE that can't be done with some very cheap items.

[glass rune]

Even that requires enough money cashflow to get the chests

[fresh plover]

nah u earn money by selling peaks, 3lp goes for hundreds of millions and u can farm 1+ per day

chests are profitable only if you are playing mage

[obsidian sundial]

3lp only goes for hunderds of millions bc of screwed up dupe inflation

it was going for 5 million on saturday. and truthfully with how COMMON of an item 3lp peak is, it merits nowhere near the price its at

[fresh plover]

ye i was just saying for people who dont know how to get gold post dupe, its the same strat that we had in 1.0 when that dupe happened

[sleek meteor]

yeah but what about the people who dont enjoy that kind of gameplay? what about the people who wanted to activate gold shrines or path to gold monos?

[obsidian sundial]

i hate LA. im done with the cycle. this ended it for me

[fresh plover]

i know, trust me as a person who stopped doing monoliths AT ALL last cycle after 1.5 weeks....i know

its miserable but it makes u rich the most

[hushed rover]

is there another gold dupe again today? red rings are a billion again.... even basic crit multi wands are 50mil

[shrewd nexus]

what were they last season?

[hushed rover]

i don't know, but crit multi rings were 3-5mil last night after dupe fixed and red rings were in 10s of millions

[spark grotto]

is it really reaonable that an item costs 150+ million gold with no LP week 1-2? Is this really the image we had for the AH?
I feel like you might aswell sell gold yourselves at this point, since it very obviously is being abused by people who sell gold/buy gold.
It might be a bit salty, but if you guys dont intend to moderate the AH at all, why shouldn't I myself simply buy gold and autowin? It''s less then 10 dollars for 200 million gold, and I feel like if nothing is being done about this anyway, why shouldn't I abuse it aswell?
Consdiering I have to play maybe 100 hours to achieve 150 million gold, at which point uniques are probably in the billions, what is the point of MG?
I feel like if nothing is done from an moderative pov, I will just never ever play MG again, its a dead faction for gold buyers, and you dont seem to want to punish them for it.

It gets stupid to a point where the auction house is not what its intended to be, and with no moderation on it, it seems to be very free.

[fresh plover]

your feelings are valid, but you really dont need to play 100h for 150 mil, you can earn that much faster by selling lightless arbor or soulfire bastion specific uniques, they go for millions. its your best bet at this situation but ye it sucks

[spark grotto]

I accept that, and as I said, it's my own salty pov because I decided to give it another shot this league, but it feels so bad and it feels like paying2win is better then just playing the game, which is just terrible, I accept that its my oppinion and may not be accurate overall, but with the avg prices Im willing to bet A LOT of people are buying gold, and to me its quite obvious they are also somehow duping gold / botting.

[fresh plover]

it does suck big time i agree

[obsidian sundial]

ngl the fact prices are climbing again, and as fast as they climb, does imply the existence of another dupe or botting issue. the market is anything but organic right now

[spark grotto]

Agree completely, its not reasonable that items went from 700k -> 150 mil in less then 3 days.

[fresh plover]

devs earlier said in #💬┃general that rmt was as much if not more of an issue than dupe itself in both cycles, so most likely as i predicted its just a consequence of gold sellers sitting on quintilions of gold

[obsidian sundial]

and they have the gold from duping or botting. they aren't just playing the game and amassing that much gold lmfao

[spark grotto]

Probably, but that needs to be adressed.
I agree that it's not something you fix on a wim, but it has to be adressed.

[fresh plover]

oh ye im saying they already amassed more than they can ever sell from previous dupe

[distant tendon]

tbh just squish gold to a certain value if they are not able to keep track of dupers

[spark grotto]

It just makes MG feel so bad, you work towards a goal that increases 1500% in price over 2 days, it's just not reasonable, the avg person does not have billions of gold week 1, whatever anyone says.

[fresh plover]

so unlikely its another dupe happening, but would be hilarious if it did

[obsidian sundial]

would be better to just delete everyone's gold and stash gear, keep your characters and levels

[wooden halo]

it wont be adresed, the only fix would be allowing to switch fraction to COF without losing items that you bought from MG

[obsidian sundial]

only a new cycle fixes this. and going forward I have zero trust in EHG that this doesnt happen a third time in a row

[distant tendon]

that is really dumb lmao

[spark grotto]

I mean we just proved a new cycle doesn't fix it since its not being adressed, which is why I made the post to begin with.
MG is not being moderated, and it is a BIG problem for MG players overall.

[distant tendon]

why delete gear that makes no sense only gold is the problem
since u cant resell gear

[obsidian sundial]

them setting price caps wouldnt solve anything lmao

[spark grotto]

I agree it wouldn't fix it, they need to adress botting/duping in their game, when sellers have BILLIONS of gold week 1, it is a rampant problem.

[fresh plover]

he meant the stash of your mg tab cause people sitting with billions of gold unredeemed there

[distant tendon]

oh yeah mb then delete that

[obsidian sundial]

if there werent any duping, MG would be ok. I just dont trust EHG to have foolproofed their system 100% and a duping issue wont happen. They also showed us twice that they are unwilling to do rollbacks.

[fresh plover]

there is one solution make trade favor based not gold if its more bugproof ofc

[spark grotto]

Thats what I mean, they have to adress the issue at hand. MG is ALWAYS a worse faction then CoF if they dont plan to adress the rampant gold selling/buying.
And as I said, I might aswell buy some myself at this point for less then 10 dollars and go win, it's a system that right now glorifies sellers more then anything, which is giga dumb.

[distant tendon]

or just drop a red ring xD

[obsidian sundial]

thats terrible. if I need to grind way more to afford anything then Im going to just play CoF. Real life time should not be currency

[fresh plover]

ye but u also gain favor from sales, so thats fine

[distant tendon]

actually sold my red ring i dropped for 50m
trying to start a undercut chain but i dont think this will happen
whoever bought it must feel lucky

[fresh plover]

basically just swap gold and favor in current mode, gold will be a ""tax"" that u pay to list/buy item, favor is actual currency that u gain/lose

[obsidian sundial]

I buy nothing, just will play more in 1.2. 1.1 is dead to me. and chinese gold sellers can f themselves, i'm not giving them a cent

[spark grotto]

I accept that and neither do I in general, it just feels stupid when nothing is being done to stop it, 0 moderation on AH, 0 concequent banns since they still have BILLIONS of gold to sell week 1, its pointless faction unless you are paying 2 win.

[obsidian sundial]

in fairness they did do some bans, but I think identifying every account involved is an impossible task

[spark grotto]

10 mana unstable core 150 million gold feel reasonable to you? (120 mana max)? 🙂

Its just a pointless pithole of gold buying/selling, and litterally nothing is being done about it.

To put it into context, the PoE AH, has NEVER been played to this extent, we are talking increases over 1000% in 3 days, not adressing it is just embarrasing from a moderative pov when you chose to have gold as a currency.

[gray ginkgo]

A giant sample size of 1.

[compact patio]

I thought about it and LE will probably never have compelling trade. Trade was added just before 1.0 because people begged for it. You just have gold which is mostly useless, minimal gold sinks. You need to remake everything for scratch to make it more compelling. Waste of dev time imo tbh. Endgame loop is more important now than trading. For now trade is just grind to rank 9 (or 10? Wherever LP items are) and to buyout 1lp uniques for 0gold to test all builds on alts. Which is something I guess.

[finite trench]

This is why poe doesn't have an AH, nobody can handle those chinese botters that can farm like 60k divines a day and crash the market.

[sick imp]

Change gold to glyphs in trade value, nerf glyphs drop rate, make easier one tab search market, Not let bugs destroy economy its quite simple

[still flower]

botting or farming isnt as bad as exploits to trigger instant gold duplication

[compact patio]

Here it’s much smaller community and you have just gold, nothing else and it’s destroyed in one night.

You have just gold trading in D4, but who is trading in D4? Almost no one

[brazen sun]

A rollback would most likely bring many players back to the game at least for a while, instead they just leave seeing the inaction of the developers unfortunately

[brazen sun]

Um, they made a whole trading site like poe this season, there are tons of people trading on it even now

[compact patio]

👍

[still flower]

lots of people are trading tbh

[flint dawn]

Diablo is a thing right now, from this season. Waiting for the next season, can't say much about LE

[compact patio]

I am shocked anyone give a *** about trade in D4, need to check it

[minor anvil]

you made me laugh =))

there are huge trading community, even RMT

[compact patio]

😂😂 hard to imagine, you are showered with loot there

[merry wolf]

🤣 🤣 you have no idea what is happening to discord channel of diablo trade

[compact patio]

Is it even bigger sh***show than here ? If yes I am going there right now

[merry wolf]

when new season starts surely, now i dont know until 1 month ago i was playing yeah for sure unfortunately

when i putted item for sale which was good there was a mess

[compact patio]

Trade is just drama 😂 nothing changed since D2JSP

[merry wolf]

me personally trade is a big reason to keep me playing a game and motivate me to farm more, i dropped yestarday a red ring of altaria which sold it at 400 mil gold and i was hell yeah!!

[still flower]

im there. whats happening there?

[merry wolf]

very big traffic the first month of s4

[still flower]

s4 was a godsend. literally revived the game big time

[merry wolf]

yeah was big upgrade to the game but still cant compare it last epoch as content...i can understand though that diablo is more relaxing game and doesnt needs mechanics and fingers like last epoch except Lilith which is very last boss

[still flower]

this i agree. simplicity is good enough

a d4 with trading, thats like a whole new game to me

[shrewd ember]

Okay I thought of a crazy solution- WHat if every month when something messed up happens, they introduce a new currency into the game. Poe has like 100 of em.

Right now the main currency is gold which has no use past trading and a dungeon. They could then change the gold drops to platinum drops from monsters in the game and people probably wouldn't even notice. newly posted items only take platium while people can still keep their old trade posts up such as a 40 million low rolled unstable cores. That would take a lot of work and you'd have to tell the community some cut off dates but IDK it'd be better than waiting for a new cycle only to have that happen again.

[wanton matrix]

in your opinion why the poe market doesn't suffer from gold dupe etc?

[shrewd ember]

cuz they use more items than big number currecies

[wanton matrix]

can you explain it better for a noob like me? ahah

[shrewd ember]

Im a noob in that game so i will lol

Slow mode So the vast majority of people start with so little and play through most of the game with so little that duping isn't going to do much for them at that rank. The currencies that drop are like items. Think the glyphs. THey do something, usally related to crafting.

[compact patio]

Here you just have gold with almost no gold sinks to take gold from economy. In poe you have hundreds currencies, way to spend them etc. It’s game that was designed with trading in mind from beggining. LE was not.

[shrewd ember]

YOu eventually do get to a point that can have good stuff, though. You dupe, you're gone. easy for them to track down the problem items. IT just take a lot of work to get to that point and they can delete a lot of the stuff if it's not traded yet.

PoE does have market issues - divine orb was dropping like crazy while they wanted the currency for that league to be less than normal so low end players got nothing hwile high end players found a way to have every monster of a certain type to drop divine orbs hehe. that pretty much ruined prices for that league with a lot of haves and have nots but maybe not as bad at this gold dupe but still bad.

[compact patio]

Still probably take much more effort. Here everything went down to garbage in one night. You have much smaller community too.

It would probably be better if favour was used to buy items not gold like some people suggested here

And leave gold for LA, respec, blessing etc

[shrewd ember]

true- gold is a bad system in general when there isn't gold sinks like masterworking in the game.

Also, I almost forgot there is also a lot of friction with poe trading as you trade with bots, or people in the middle of runs, and waste a lot of time doing it. Someone leaving that game pretty much takes all their stuff with them too while im sure this game the posts and stuff stay up. So they really dont need to have bind to account in the game as it is so annoying and sometimes hard to geta trade you really need in the first place

[knotty ore]

They could also make it so listing an item costs favor depending on the price. like, +1k favor for 1m listing, and +100k for 100m listing

But also having a 5% AH tax isnt a bad idea

[compact patio]

For now it’s fixed favour cost I think? Definitely better than being able to flood market with 1.5 billion sales

[knotty ore]

Yeah currently fixed depending on rarity and then lp

[compact patio]

Taxing gold would be nice too, anything to make you at least loose gold not generate in infinitely

And maybe people will stop posting trash for 0 to dump favour too.

[knotty ore]

Yeah it's an issue when gold just changes hands, never disappears. MG reputation system has a lot of issues tbh, they should probably rework the whole thing haha

[compact patio]

I don’t mind rep. I just blast fast anyway and MG speeds it a lot too. I will probably never buy a legendary item from auction house anyway.

[knotty ore]

Theres no fun in legendary if you havent slammed it yourself and failed the first 5 times amiright

[compact patio]

Exactly, rank 9 is all I need anyway.

Mike is on, asked him about what we talk here.

[small jay]

Omgomg im 100k gold short for a +3 2LP 80% pen wheel of torment!!!

[dusk pivot]

saving the questions for friday stream

[sick imp]

What uniques 0-1lp are really expensive

[knotty ore]

1lp uniques arent expensive

[compact patio]

1lp are just free items xD

[wicked nebula]

taxation isn't going to solve "artifically injected currency", botters are most probably going to out farm whatever taxation is put in place, adding on burden to common players

[compact patio]

True but you need gold sink either way. Here you have almost nothing.

[knotty ore]

No it's not gonna solve the gold dupe but it would be good for the economy anyways, which is why most mmos etc have taxing in AH

[wicked nebula]

you'll need a gold sink targeted at beneficiaries of these excess amount of currency but to what end? the root of the issue isn't solve, currency inflation will just balloon maybe 10/100 times more. All these are stop gap measures.

[knotty ore]

We're not talking about the gold dupe and how to fix it.. we're talking about market tax which is common practice in games because a gold sink is needed. Theres gold coming into the game but never leaving, which by itself causes issues on the long term

[lost crater]

Is sense to pick now the merchant guild above the circle of fortune?

[knotty ore]

Depends on if you like to farm your items on your own or rather farm gold + items and buy them from market. MG is still very viable even tho ppl are saying its dead because of the gold dupe. Some popular items and big ticket items have gone up the roof in price, but assuming you're not planning on being the #1 sorc in the cycle ur good

[lost crater]

nah im a casual nuub

[knotty ore]

Then you're more than fine with MG

[lost crater]

i played in 1.0 COF so i want to try MG now

[wicked nebula]

this makes sense for the purpose of bringing down infinitely farmable currency

For the gold dupe issue, there just no way the market will correct itself properly, the only way is to somehow eliminate those monies and prevention. Just like in real life with counterfeit monies.

[proud acorn]

Don't we have lightless arbor?

Which I hear is actually a great place to farm items to sell.

[compact patio]

It not enough and 99% of playerbase hate this dungeon

[proud acorn]

Like I wouldn't know myself but I've heard it mentioned multiple times as the best place to get items to sell.

I mean they might introduce the tax at some point idk. The system isn't final. 🤔

[knotty ore]

It wont fix itself "properly" it will stabilize and somewhat fix itself. But most likely theres not a good way to fix the issue, the gold is distributed to a lot of ppl who have sold items for high prices. And you also cna't take the gold away from everyone, just doesnt work like that. Also people need to realize that apart from just the gold dupe causing inflation, people reaching higher reputation ranks also was a cause for big inflation. People realizing how strong Nemesis is compared to just target farming items from monoliths caused inflation on 0lp items. Sure, the amount of inflation was higher than normally because of the excess amount of gold in the system, but even without that the prices of certain items would've easily skyrocketed 5-10x in price simply because more ppl had access to buy them

[compact patio]

I think in a year we will laugh about it and system will look completely different

[knotty ore]

tldr: supply and demand

Like lets use Unstable core as an example. 1lp core is currently 500k (or was last night), the 0lp is very unstable jumping between 100k and 10m, but probably currently averages at 5m. But lets say normally it would be around 1m. its 1/174 to get 2lp core. While it doesnt work excactly liek that, it would bring 2lp cores value to 174m

[wicked nebula]

people who do not have their builds decently completed are going to hurt the most, unless they get incredibly lucky with items off lower corruptions

[knotty ore]

actually those people have it the easiest. the people who are trying to upgrade to 2-3lp are the ones being hurt

[compact patio]

I need relic that have dozen of pages listed for 0 with 1LP and only 1-2 pages with 0LP costing more every hour.

[knotty ore]

Yeah, and 1lp is better than 0lp. People just like gamba, if you're just wanting to blast and upgrade ur character ur more than fine with buying 1lp uniques, blasting away and eventually accumulate enough wealth to buy 2-3lp uniques just to brick them in sanctum and start over again

[compact patio]

So many builds to try, before war within starts

[proud acorn]

It's a mechanically very weird market, but it's still a market. It will stabilize into a playable state because otherwise it cannot function as a market.

If nobody can buy anything, then nobody can sell anything.

[compact patio]

As soon as poe league start most will just leave and go there.

[proud acorn]

I mean people were going to do that anyway?

I really don't understand for what reason people keep bringing that up, it has nothing to do with the conversation.

Also, "people" will, but not "everyone" will. For example, I won't. What reason would I have to leave the game I started playing to get away from PoE, to go back to the game I was trying to get away from? And I'm not the only person in the world who's like this.

[compact patio]

Because there are a lot of bored poe players that just play LE to wait for next league. When poe2 hits they will leave forever and I see it’s most of the time them that are mad about trade. It will just be core LE players left.

[proud acorn]

Again... They would all do that anyway. What does that have to do with anything being discussed?

Or are you saying they will take the perpetual complainers with them? I hadn't thought of that angle. Sorry if that didn't land with me.

[compact patio]

It will stabilize as you say because a lot of people will just leave. It’s hard for me to write longer messages while in work 🤣 sorry for confusion

[proud acorn]

I also don't think PoE2 will be as popular as PoE. I have no basis for this, it's just a gut feeling. It'll still be plenty popular though.

[compact patio]

Bots will go along with them, they will be able to make much more $ than here.

[frozen rune]

Most legendaries are overpriced af anyway. It's usually cheaper to try the same slap yourself 5 or more times. And if you succeed on the first one, congratz, you saved a lot of gold.

[compact patio]

Anyone buys legendaries anyway? I quit at level 99 and mg9 last cycle

[frozen rune]

I had 2 characters at level 100 and reached mg lvl 10, never bought a single legendary, those that actually mattered were posted for gold limit or hundreds of millions while exalt+lp legendary were a couple milion in price combined, so

even if you failed the slam 20 times, it still would be cheaper

[compact patio]

That’s what I thought. No point in going above level 9 anyway.

I played off meta spec and abused MG and got full LP3 with godly slams in a week lol lost all motivation to play

[knotty ore]

And slamming and bricking items is fun. Buying a legendary item is not fun

[proud acorn]

I'm hyper casual. I don't worry about ranks I don't have yet.

[compact patio]

I remember outcry about legendary items gatekeepeed behind rank 9-10.

[proud acorn]

Idk, I don't even play card games that much but I always seem pretty good at playing with the hand I'm dealt. Be they real cards or metaphorical ones.

[limber moss]

thanks to nemesis you can buy cheap legendary with bis affix on bis item for your build
atleast you could before dupe thing

[merry wolf]

lol i sold yestarday red rinf of altaria for 400 mil and now i see its 800 mil wtf its cayuse of dupes?

[limber moss]

yes

[frozen rune]

Yeah it fluctuates between 400m and 1bil

[merry wolf]

omg......

see ya next season 😄

[proud acorn]

Popular item is expensive. Big shock.

[pearl flume]

strange that shards are not easy to dupe, but gold is

[thick cape]

nopee, popular item was 50m before the dupe

[pearl flume]

maybe we should trade in shards instead

gold doesn't have any worth

[proud acorn]

And now that the dupe happened it's worth more. Big shock.

[merry wolf]

for me it shouldnt get happened, it happens, i move on and hope next season wont happed, but no motivation to play now

[obtuse spindle]

1B5 peak 4 is not normal ...

[proud acorn]

But it's the reality.

[frozen rune]

Popular item went from affordable by selling smaller items and slowly saving up gold to affordable only by a giga lucky drop.

[proud acorn]

That is the reality.

There's a few things you can do. Get the lucky drop or wait for it to go down again. Or not care.

[bleak berry]

yeah and the reality is an issue 🤣

[frozen rune]

I'm just correcting your uninformed opinion.

[proud acorn]

So you're a gotcha Andy?

[small jay]

2lp mad ladles cheap as cos its complete garbage this cycle afyer oblation nerf

[knotty ore]

The yappers will keep yapping no matter what you say. They just like hating on things

[frozen rune]

If we're going that route, "this is the reality" sounds a lot like Ben Shapiro.

[knotty ore]

Same with 0lp unstable core, it fluctuates a lot. ppl cry that its like 20m, it was anywhere between 1-20m yesterday, i bought a good rolled one for 100k. It's all about timing and just spending time at the bazaar looking for good deals. And also while not being the perfect answer and everyone hates when it gets brought up, those same items that are very expensive can be gotten as drop and sold for a lot 🤷‍♂️

[proud acorn]

I suggest you stop while you're ahead.

[knotty ore]

But it is the reality. It is what it is, you can either adapt and keep having fun or cry about it in discord

[frozen rune]

Shiver me timbers

[frozen rune]

Real men are not afraid to cry, I'm good.

[proud acorn]

You just invoked Ben Shapiro.

[knotty ore]

honestly idek what to respond to that. What you're saying just doesnt make any sense lol

[frozen rune]

Just like arguing with people about chase items when they admit themselves they don't have a rank high enough to buy them, lol
Besides, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to respond to calling being dissatisfied with the current state of economy "crying", I've left highschool some time ago.

[faint merlin]

How do you gain favor quickly? Just listing exalted items?

[proud acorn]

That's how you spend it

[compact patio]

You get favour from XP

[frozen rune]

Comes from experience, so XP tomes and high corruption

[faint merlin]

Sorry, I mean faction EXP

[frozen rune]

Same way, but you can buy items from the woman in the center of the market to spend favor and lvl up quicker.

[quiet oxide]

you earn exp by spending favor, either listing item, buying item on bazaar or from vendor, at a rate of 2.2x

[sly quest]

Is there anywhere sells history to check what is expected and selling fast and what not needed by market?

[knotty ore]

Huh? How are we arguing about chase items and wher edid i say i don't have the rank high enough to buy them

Or was that about Manock

[frozen rune]

That about the other guy mate

[knotty ore]

Roger that 🫡 Carry on

[novel geyser]

dude constantly trying to defend "market will stablizie", then admit he's just a casual and doesnt even have the rank to buy chase item

You can't make that sh up

[knotty ore]

Idk what's the issue being a casual player believing the market will stabilize/get better.

Just because someone doesnt degen the game and reach rank 10+ within the first week doesnt devalue their opinion (i degened and reached rank 10+ the first week)

[quiet oxide]

because the game doesn't have a way out for gold, if you pump it like this it will never recover

[knotty ore]

We talked about it earlier and I and some other mentioned that AH tax would be good for the economy anyways as a money sink. And it can very well be part of the fix they're planning

[quiet oxide]

it's a start at least, stash tab and arbor is not cutting it, most people dont even wanna touch arbor

[knotty ore]

Yeah and mg doesnt require nearly as many tabs as cof generally does, and when i do arbor i do it for a good lp arbor uniques not the gamba chests

[quiet oxide]

yeah some people touch the gamba chest, lose 10m and get absolute trash with it

[thick cape]

nothing but a rollback will save this cycle for mg.. unless you want to wait 3 weeks for all players to go and then the prices will drop beacuse demand dropped

[knotty ore]

Adding some interesting vendors could work as well

[knotty ore]

rollback will destroy the whole cycle for everyone, not gonna happen and its a terrible idea lol.

[novel geyser]

what you're saying is true. But there are many players here who have been there when this exact thing happened last cycle - me included, and i know for a fact that market will not stablize(or if you think stablizing means every half decent end game gear either listed at 1.5b or not existing at all in bazaar either due to 1 - its gold value far surpass the 1.5b gold cap and ppl prefer to sell it via RMT or 2 - MG population die down and there's no one farming anymore)
It's one thing to voice your opinion. But stubbornly defending your inexperience opinion based on nothing but well ... your own opinion, when many experienced players say otherwise is kinda dumb

[thick cape]

5 days later yes, instantly when it happned no, wouldve been the best solution

[quiet oxide]

yeah last cycle after the dupe it didn't really stabilize anything, the MG market stayed bloated

[knotty ore]

It happened during a sunday ( i think, but during the weekend anyways), the fact that they managed to find and fix the dupe was already a win for a sunday. But the earliest they could've done a rollback if possible was on monday, and theres hundreds of thousands if not million of players that frankly don't care or don't know about it. And just rolling everyone back 24h isn't something to be done lightly.

[bleak berry]

a million players 🤣

[knotty ore]

Can't talk much about last cycle ebcause i played cof and left after the first few weeks but i heard about it happening last cycle as well. And yes it really does suck that it happened again. But half decent end game gear isnt absolutely bloated in price. Only some of it, the ideal rolls, the bis idols. Other than that items are mostly very affordable or even free. You can get most 1lp uniques for dump change. And yeah im not for defending stubbornly for either party. haters or the supporters of the current situation. ( I think i lean more on the latter, not supporting whats going on but being understanding and let them cook the solution they find is the best for the longevity of the game. If it's letting the market be what it is for this cycle then thats what it is. Maybe not ideal but if theres no better option it is what it is)

[novel geyser]

And i think the reason for a lot of players' frustration and disapointment is really not the market itself. It's the fact that this is the 2nd time it happened, and in less then a week from cycle start, and EHG's reaction to it has been completely the same as the last time. In fact even at this moment, almost a week after the DDay, they still havent come to the conclusion on how to deal with it

[thick cape]

btw i think high number of players are aware and unsatisfied with how things are handled. Of course majority is MG.. I mean i have no motivation and see no point in playing anymore

[knotty ore]

Yes? Not far fetched and most likely the total player count is over million. idk why you find that so hilarious. I mean afaik they've sold multiple million copies of the game

[quiet oxide]

most likely 100k concurrent at best

[knotty ore]

concurrent and total count of people playing the game isnt the same tho. I don't think its even 100k concurrent

[thick cape]

Did u check steam charts for cycle2?

[knotty ore]

High number of players yes, but still the minority of players. Vast majority dont follow the news of the game at all and just play the game

[quiet oxide]

you're talking about people being affected by the rollback, total is more than mil but total people playing is 100k at most, and only people affected are people playing

[knotty ore]

total people playing the cycle is definitely over 100k. since cycle start the concurring playercount has been 30-70k it seems from steam charts

[thick cape]

Why do you think there were no server issues on season release? They had like 3 times less players compared to game release

[knotty ore]

and im fairly sure that doesnt include the true offline players but i might be wrong

[knotty ore]

And that is weird why?

[quiet oxide]

this cycle is gonna live or die based on tmr poe annoucement

[knotty ore]

Imo 30% of the players from game release returning to the next cycle is not a bad sign at all

[thick cape]

70k peak at start, so few days later you have less players.. not 1 mil or 100k

[knotty ore]

yes thats people online at any given time? theres 24h in the day and people log in and log off

[quiet oxide]

it's release day, 90% of people interested is gonna be there

[opaque bough]

so new day, what ur going to do with gold dupe on mg?:D

yesterday you said that team are discussing about rollbacks/gold removal or smth

when we can come back to the game? or we are waiting for next cycle

[knotty ore]

I still don't have a clue what you're trying to say here. Obviously theres going to be a big player count when the game fully releases the first time. Expecting even half of the players who bought the game and logged in on day 1 of 1.0 to jump in on the next cycle is just wild

[quiet oxide]

they're just slowing hunting down the gold, not much more can be done

[knotty ore]

Havent heard a single word from the EHG team that they're discussign rollbacks/gold removals but i might've missed it. The game still works, mg still works, bazar still works. If you're only looking for the big ticket chase items the you probably wont be able to afford them currently

[quiet oxide]

there is speculation that another gold dupe is in, because red ring is back to 790m again

anything 3lp + is gone

[opaque bough]

yesterday i saw messages about that, from Averielle.

cant place a screenshot here

[knotty ore]

You know not all LE players play PoE? I'd even argue as far as the majority doesnt

[thick cape]

its not only big ticket chase, some semi starter items are few mils i mean cmon

[bleak berry]

I dont think so, a big chunk will leave to play poe regardless of the announcement

[quiet oxide]

it's the same genre, and LE is a niche game, prob a massive chunk are poe players

[quiet oxide]

yeah that is the trend nowadays, play for 2 weeks wait for something new to release

[bleak berry]

and it'll be even quicker churn with poe2

[robust tangle]

When is Poe 2 ?

[knotty ore]

Same genre yes, PoE is even more niche and way harder for casual players to get into. Us PoE players are definitely the lesser total than the players that dont play poe. No factual evidence on that just a very strong gut feeling

[quiet oxide]

GGG maintaining both poe 1 and po2 league at the same time is wild

[bleak berry]

ggg have said the beta is in november I think.. waiting to see if that's actually gonna happen

[robust tangle]

Beta rip

[quiet oxide]

they don't really have any reason to rush, they have projekt red to look at for a reason not to rush

[knotty ore]

Yeah all the poe players are going anyways. I'm gonna struggle because im having so much fun with LE atm but Can't miss that league start hype either

[bleak berry]

yeah it will be early access, probably with a supporter pack purchase or something

[quiet oxide]

If you play LE MG now, you're gonna hit 300 corruption and realize every single upgrade you need next is in the bloated gold dupe area, so 25 to 150m at least

[knotty ore]

I'm currently at 450c on my highest timeline, you could buy my whole build for pretty much dump change. And i can def farm up to at least 800c with what i currently have

[quiet oxide]

anyone who reach this point will no doubt quit unless they know exactly what they're doing to farm that gold

[bleak berry]

I struggled with LE start because I'm giga addicted to elden ring atm.... hopefully I'm finished by the time poe league comes out

[quiet oxide]

is your build niche or meta ?

[knotty ore]

meta

[quiet oxide]

what build is that ?

[bleak berry]

it's the same with builds in poe, you can make a few small tweaks and make it 10x cheaper without much power cost, the items from maxroll or 30k view youtube guide are the only ones that go really crazy

[mystic spire]

what makes you think that the next cycle will be any different?

[bleak berry]

maybe he'll start cof next time

[mystic spire]

oh yeah xD , but for MG there were already 2 cycles with multiple dupes,i'm 99% sure the 3rd cycle will have another dupe

[knotty ore]

Sorc. Meteor with glacier and static orb for single target. I got a 1lp wrongwarp (yes i did pay 4.5m for that wasnt cheap), i have a bad usntable core (i think i have dodge rating on it iirc) but it has 107 base mana so its decent, i paid 100k for it yesterday (i spend time at the bazar because i enjoy looking through the market, found a super good deal)

I have 2 1lp julras, one with t6 spell damage and one with res, i got a t6 high roll mana crystal skull that i dropped myself, i got a 2lp peak of the mountain with +2 static orb and t7 mana, got the peak myself and bought a bozo t7 mana helm that i rolled with static orb and got lucky with my slam, i got transient rest with no extra ms because i've failed like 10 slams alrdy, my relic has t7 mana, got that for 40k (again scrolling through market getting lucky)

[quiet oxide]

wrongwrap 1lp is 8mil and unstable core bad roll 0 LP is 1.1m, you're gonna struggle with that

[knotty ore]

Yeah currently. theres a bunch of cheap items coming on the market that are being bought out by people that scroll through it a lot

[quiet oxide]

any player who plays your build after the dupe will not be able to buy anything

[knotty ore]

i bought all my gear after the dupe mate. Don't buy a 0lp unstable core, buy a 1lp one

Exalted wand works fine untill you can afford a 1lp wrongwarp. exalted body works fine till you get a decent unstable core (or get the rank to buy 1lp one which is dirt cheap)

Unstable core with a good roll was alrdy expensive even before the dupe.

You're not gonna struggle getting the build started. If you want to start with ideal rolls and the perfect items you're obv gonna struggle

[novel geyser]

jsut snipe 2x t7 int ring for 2m, the next cheapest one is 40m kekw

[knotty ore]

or you can buy t6 rings and go on with your life

[mellow monolith]

Both for 2mil? Wut a steal

[novel geyser]

one 1.2m iirc, other 2m

[knotty ore]

being on the bazaar at the right time pays off sometimes. I got my t7 mana relic for 40k yesterday and the 2nd cheapest was 50m at the time after that i think lol

[quiet oxide]

exalted market is wild as well, bow crit speed hybrid with any viable other stat 3m +, any hybrid health t7 10-20m

[mellow monolith]

Still cheap ig

[knotty ore]

So what you're saying is that the items used by the meta builds are expensive? who would've guessed

[quiet oxide]

yeah meta is most popular and most played, so most people affected

[knotty ore]

There is struggles with some affixes being overly inflated now, im not disagreeing with that. You might not be able to get every IDEAL thing on your build right off the bat, but you can still get all of that for cheap, instead of t7 buy t6, if t6 is expensive buy a different exalted with cheaper t6/t7 and use t5 of that specific affix

[gaunt maple]

They're more expensive by orders of magnitude since the gold exploit. Not sure why you're downplaying that

[mellow monolith]

I remember 2 t7 hybird health like 2 days ago for 300k in total

[quiet oxide]

people play the game to constantly progress, not to averagely get by, they will get to the point where every other upgrade is dupe related

[knotty ore]

I'm not downplaying it, i acknowledge the issue, i just don't let it ruin the game for me. I can find workarounds and buy less ideal item to start with and then keep upgrading as i go

[quiet oxide]

exalted market seems to be dwindling quickly

[knotty ore]

I do constantly progress, just not in the ideal way. I've had to use a not idea base before i could afford a better base with my mods, its still an upgrade no? I can slam 1lp items and still get upgrades no?

[quiet oxide]

someone bought all lp3 reign of winter, its' not even a viable build, who does this lmao

[knotty ore]

There is ofc people with malicious intent that try to just ruin the game for others now, which i could see this being?

[gaunt maple]

Ok...well the promise of MG was to gear efficiently if you made sound transactions. Pretty obviously that's changed. Glad you're still having fun but the situation is still not good

[rugged vector]

somebody who has played blast rain marksman for two years was like screw this and used all the gold exploit gold to roll all the reign of winters maybe lol

[gaunt maple]

Chinese gold farmers who want to control the price

[quiet oxide]

you can't control the price, you cant farm lp3 reign efficiently and you cant resell items

[knotty ore]

It's not good no, but it's really not stopping people from progressing their gear. Yes you definitely struggle more when you get to the point when you want to slam them bis t7 affixes but vast majority of mg players arent at the point where all they can do to upgrade is get high lp items with t7s slammed into them. (Yes theres a lot of people that are at that point and it sucks for them but they are still the minority)

[novel geyser]

It's just someone with loads of gold that want to try some reign on winter build lol. You cannot control price of items with rarity in that caliber

[quiet oxide]

bro really gotta ruin my end cycle fun of trying wack builds

i need to test this mirage new 2h sword b4 poe comes out

[knotty ore]

And just by being able to buy the base gear for the build, the correct bases, even most of the correct affixes in the gear (obv not t6-t7 at the beginning) almost right off the bat is already very efficient gearing. In CoF it can take you a long time to get the correct bases for ur build

[quiet oxide]

i'm doing dragon breath marksman build, used to see 5 lp4 dragonsong on MG, now the only one left is the one with the worst roll i've ever seen

[gaunt maple]

If your point is you can still play game with worse gear nobody disagrees with you lol

[knotty ore]

hanabi literally said anyone gearing up for a sorc post dupe is gonna be a huge struggle?

[gaunt maple]

I personally find it annoying that the stuff I need is 1000 times more than it was 4 days ago

[knotty ore]

damn. its 1000x more expensive alrdy? things really have taken a hike today, earlier they went up by 50x according to someone and now by another 1000x

It's annoying, yes. I also find it annoying that I can't buy all the things i want right now

altho i assume i could buy quite a few new upgrades since im sitting at almost 300m now i think (assumign the quiver i got from aberroth yesterday sold) but im just cheapo and coping on prices going down more

[quiet oxide]

last cycle after week 3 red ring went from 30m down to 3m due to item dupe, this season the dupe has been patched so not sure it would dip that hard

[knotty ore]

The situation sucks mostly for the endgame players that are past the 1lp items etc, but the majority of players are still having a good time. We do hopefully get some kind of solution that's not just EHG letting the market play on its own, but there also might not be such a solution that would make any sense

[quiet oxide]

im down for them selling limited glyph of hope from vendor

like selling limited rune of shattering, just sprinkle something limited in there for me to check vendor

[knotty ore]

They should definitely add some vendors with something good to spend gold on so we'd have more gold sinks

god damn give us a vendor that has 1/10k chance to drop a random 4lp item and it costs 1m per attempt XD All gamba andies would make the gold vanish from the game immediately

AH tax would definitely help fix the gold inflation, not completely but it would definitely help

[jaunty fossil]

Stop coping guys, mg is dead and will be, hope it's not the end of this game. They aren't going to do anything and players reacted accordingly, it's dying already.

[knotty ore]

Idk theres quite a lot of items in the market doesnt seem dead to me. Go be a hater somewhere else

[strong hare]

Imagine thinking that the amount of items in the market are the issue

[fierce river]

Can you give me a ss of prices of some wanted items? Idk, some 2 and 3 lp uthrels? I dont think the ammount of items is the problem, prb the price, but I moved to cof so cant check

[knotty ore]

Imagine taking what i said so literally. Just tired of the "stop coping guys, game is dead" I know theres issues like i've stated above multiple times

[quiet oxide]

lp3 uethirn is 180m

[fierce river]

is it fairly easy to get that amount selling stuff? Or is nobody buying anything

[knotty ore]

Game is far from dead, theres still a lot of traction in the market place. Theres issues yes, the game is not dead and stating "they arent going to do anything" is just false when they're certainly trying to find a solution

[knotty ore]

from my experience the expensive stuff sells quite well. At least the 2 2lp jungle belts i've sold very fast

[quiet oxide]

you really have to hit some kind of jackpot, and that jackpot item needs to be a meta item, getting 180m without luck is not realistic

[fierce river]

idk man, mg is just a "im going to play this game for 2 weeks" faction, player base will shrink, and it will mostly be cof players, no one will buy nor sell anything

[strong hare]

I agree its not dead. But they will lose alot of player going forward if someting is not done very quickly. They past their window to do a rollback (which is what they shuld have done within the first 12hours) does that suck yes for all of us playing legit but if it fixed the problems woudl have been worth.

[quiet oxide]

most consistent way i can see so far is farming peak of the mountain, put your 0lp peak to cook and hope for lp3 to sell for 30m, or drop one because the drop chance for lp3 is 4%

lp3 peak is 140m actually, so if you can consistently farm lightless t4 you can get it

[knotty ore]

I think main issue was it also happened during a weekend when there wasnt people at the office to fix or plan a rollback if that was a possibility

[arctic current]

There isnt a good way to solved the MG problem. We can ban gold sellers, but there always be more. We can roll back but it would be server wide and cof players will be affected. Imagine getting you desired drop just to be rolled back. We cant just start taxing everything people would be unhappy

[knotty ore]

I think farming amulet/ring nodes is probably one of the better ways to get gold atm? got some jackpot items and some t7 affixes go for a lot on those

[strong hare]

There is almost nothing they can do to MG that wouldnt make EVERYONE angry even more. Do they just reset the entire market? Delete all items out of the Market and put everyone down to 0 gold or even 5mill each? That is what needs to be done to fix this (assuming the gold dupe is fixed) but that would make alot of people angry. But at least it wold be fixed.

[knotty ore]

And theres all the casual players who probably odnt even know about whats going on that would leave the game when they're rolled back for some odd reason

[quiet oxide]

they probably thought with internal data they can snipe the biggest offenders, i would have done the same

[arctic current]

they can snipe, but and i think they already did

[knotty ore]

they could snipe the biggest offenders, and they're banned. But legit players sold items for wild amounts so the gold is still around

[quiet oxide]

most likely not, i was monitoring the gold sites, after the dupe patch gold price stayed the same, then dipped even harder

[arctic current]

exploits are hard to patch

[quiet oxide]

if you delete billions of gold from those accounts and the gold price stayed the same and dipped something else is going on

[knotty ore]

hmm? They informed in their own post that they banned all the offenders. But the gold was still distributed through market to us legit players because ofc we sold items for high price when suddenly we saw that the item we got sells for big bucks. And thats gold you can't easily remove from the game without a massive uproar

[quiet oxide]

dupers are always some of the better ones, they most likely found ways to hide it somewhere, most likely distribute it to multiple account with multiple billions of bought trash items at gold cap

[knotty ore]

I do believe the majority of the dupers were banned and the gold they had is gone ( The gold that they had at the time, the gold that was alrdy used is still around). But they had what 6 hours? to mess up the market by buying stuff for stupid amounts. that 6 hours was enough to distribute massive amounts of gold to the mg playerbase

[quiet oxide]

this also happened with diablo 4 duping, the dupers obviously know the dance, they distribute the duped mats to other accounts, when the dupe was patched the mats went up abit but over time stayed bloated

[strong hare]

Its a double edged sword for EHG. No matter what happens if they do a MAJOR reset or do nothing. They lose and everyone is mad. MG is screwed this cycle.

[rugged vector]

I largely agree with most of the stuff you're espousing directionally, but one quick look at the sheer amount of gold available for rmt sale says you're dead wrong about most of the gold being gone. Not even close

[quiet oxide]

dupe items, distribute and hide, then publish the dupe so they patch it, watch your mats increase in price

[strong hare]

Like you said just banning the gold dupers does not fix the market. Yes im glad they banned them but market is screwed until next cycle unless they do some type of reset.

[knotty ore]

Theres not a chance they come out of this as winners to the vocal playerbase at least. I don't see hwo they could cook up a solution that would make everyone happy. There rarely is one

[arctic current]

ya, these sellers are experience. They have already distributed the gold amoung many accounts. Its hard to tell who is legit and who is fake

[strong hare]

Couldnt agree more.

[quiet oxide]

hopefully they have data on sold items, cause you can store unlimited gold if you don't redeem any sales

[knotty ore]

Im not saying most of the gold is gone, im saying the gold the dupers had on their accounts is gone. But a massive amount was already distributed around. But i also havent looked into any rmt sites so don't know whats going there

but yeah could be that they just had a massive amount of accounts that the ysuccesfully distributed billions to, that went under the radar

[quiet oxide]

you can just know a dupe is going on when you check RMT sites, when you play at 400 corruption, making 1-2m an hour and it saids you most likely are making 20 cents an hour something is up

same with D4, in D4 it takes you ages to farm a duriel set, and a duriel set is like 5 cents, something is 100% up

[knotty ore]

play 5h of a game and get a pack of noodles? i call that a win

I'd still like that they'd give MG players a chance to switch to CoF without losing items and if possible switch the reputation rank u had from mg to CoF. That would be a win in my books (just because i was already planning on maybe switching to cof when i have decent gear that i've dropped myself :D)

[quiet oxide]

there is always an economy with trading games, and if the economy determines your end game activity is worth 20 cents an hour, something is up

[strong hare]

Yeah Ive been saying that for days now. Im not a SSF guy but I at least wouldnt quit if i could do that.

[rugged vector]

problem isnt the initial account though, duped gold gets distributed and rmt'd which gives those folks a lot more $ to buy accounts and distribute further. it's not unlimited but it is a lot more than ya might be thinking, sadly

[knotty ore]

I think they got a stream on friday? I heard that somewhere. Hopefully we get some answers then at the latest and they've come up with somewhat of a fix

[quiet oxide]

we can only speculate, but with the RMT scene it paints a clear picture that the ban and patch was not effective

[rugged vector]

exactly this

[quiet oxide]

if my local police force say they busted a drug dealer and my weed next day is still 5$ im gonna press X to doubt on that

[strong hare]

That was my issue is they arent even coming out with legit statements about even what theyre trying to do about this situation. (AT least I havent seen any) If they at least said theyre doing something or what steps theyre taking other than just banning dupers. Like no S*** EHG but how do you now fix the huge issue this created that players dont want to play your game because they dont trust that you can deliver a good experience. It happened last cycle and now this cycle in the 1st week.

[knotty ore]

But lets say if the bans were succesful, but the gold that was distributed to market to the legit players was just such a massive amount that it just plummeted the value of the gold, couldnt that also be the reason?

[rugged vector]

Ehg probably wanted to collect data on how prices would stabilize as a result of their actions before deciding what to do next

... and they did for about ten hours before things exploded and went south incredibly quickly

[quiet oxide]

they banned the gold sellers, same gold sellers still selling with same stock same price, then later on even plummeted

[knotty ore]

Keep in mind that the people doing the fixes arent the ones deciding what they can or can't say. I think if the dev team could speak freely about anything we would have more answers. The higher ups most likely don't want them to splill any beans before they've come up with a decision they're sticking up to

[quiet oxide]

they are a small team, they mostlikely are working on the next cycle already, this is probably the last you're going to hear about it

[rugged vector]

can't be too transparent about next actions, that just lets exploiters counteract effectively

[knotty ore]

If they would say something and end up doing something else, or what they said they would do wouldnt work, it would just cause even more uproar

[quiet oxide]

they already said they patched the dupe and monitoring the gold sellers, not much more ground left

[knotty ore]

As much as it feels bad to some gamers, shutting up and finding a solution within the team without letting the player base know is the best thing they can do

[quiet oxide]

it's crazy though, some of these names in the RMT i saw 7-8 years ago, never seen them since, for some reason now in LE they pop up

it's like the avengers of Chinese gold sellers

[knotty ore]

the only rmt scene i know anything about is osrs

just because i used to pk the venezuelan gold farmers at revs. Toxic i know, but man was it fun

[signal leaf]

Biggest sellers are from southamerica this days

[quiet oxide]

during Covid when Chinese were forced to stay indoors, i saw a crazy uptick in Chinese RMT

[signal leaf]

the money comperd to normal jobb is kind crazy

[quiet oxide]

seems pretty obviously, if you are locked inside your house what you're gonna do for money ?

[signal leaf]

buy pizza

[knotty ore]

that's sounds like a bad way to make money

[signal leaf]

is not thet expensiv tbh if you making like 10x-20x normal sallery

[knotty ore]

no you made it sound like "if you are locked inside your what you're gonna do for money?" and you answered "buy pizza" you know xdd I was like "how is buying pizza gonna make me any money"

[signal leaf]

well tbh i did read it as for the money 😛 and for me thets spending but i see your point and is correct

[opaque horizon]

this is ridiculous, 11mill for a 20ww code of an erased sentinel

[knotty ore]

Sentinel is the one you try to get +3 or +4 smite on from that right?

[frozen rune]

yeah there's dudes that are still selling gold in wow just like they did in 2000s in their teenage years lol

[signal leaf]

well in the olddays you needed ppl to Farm . like china used prisoners to farm lol today you just new a few computers and some tvs and programs, and back then it was a real job too lol. Remeber when wow was new there was a tv docementary about it on swedish tv

[fierce river]

You got to be absolutely out of your mind to believe what you are saying bzkfifhshahsk

[scarlet beacon]

this dupe stuff is insanely demotivating, all my upgrades have gone from 200k-3m all the way to 20,000,000-100,000,000 gold. honestly done with the league unless this gets fixed, most of my homies have the same view as well

[signal leaf]

just googel it and you will find all the info aint harder then thet

[sullen valve]

If your main gold income has been directly farming gold, it's definitively better to play CoF, that's for sure.

[scarlet beacon]

Cof just aint for me, i find it very boring to have to discard 99% of gear that drops because its not for my build

also just too much grind, im not running orobyss 400+ times to get a decently rolled siphon

[fierce river]

You can google flat earth and find all the information as well

[sullen valve]

A build is pretty much finished once you kill Aberroth and I don't think that requires any 100M+ items. Going beyond that point and the road to 1000 corr is definitively going to be a grind.

[scarlet beacon]

idk if this clears it up haha, my favourite builds in past Poe leagues where all TS MF or LA i like taking a build to its peak

usually get a mirror bow ect

[sullen valve]

A peak build in PoE is at least 100, probably 150h+. I find it hard to believe LE takes longer