💰┃merchants-guild

[faint pilot]

2 LP Wrongwrap at 1.5bil...

[small jay]

Not even bothering with that wand. Im sticking to ladle / wheel

[sage fjord]

🤡

[obsidian sundial]

clown world

[faint pilot]

gonna switch to CoF, my 10mil gold can't buy anything anymore

[small jay]

CoF lol.. hope youre content with 2LP items.

[sly lantern]

2LP death rattle 70m ????

[finite trench]

just go CoF, i got my LP1 wrong warp after 80k favor, life cannot be simpler

you are unironically wageslaving in MG faction just to buy a car

[small jay]

I cant swap back now. Im decked in MG

[obsidian sundial]

wageslaving

literally has to grind every item yourself which takes hundreds of hours

[small jay]

Why does oblation cost so much? Been nerfed hard

[glossy gazelle]

cause chinese is duplicating gold

[novel geyser]

Just woke up. Did gold duping happen again?

[compact patio]

Yep, apparently

[novel geyser]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[obsidian sundial]

red rings selling for 1.5b. not just listed. but selling

give chinese players their own MG and keep it out of the rest of us

[raven arrow]

yea block chinese ips from rest of the world or something it ruins the game this is the second cycle ruined 'cause of them

[small jay]

Whats the long term dmg of this duping for this cycle now that its fixed?

[obsidian sundial]

its in every video game too. same people

[raven arrow]

i mean yea then you should sell the items for higher price too but how a legit player farms that much easily without particular drops on MG

[obsidian sundial]

Well, is it fixed???? while Mike said it was, it appears the issue is getting worse, not better. So im inclined to believe its not fixed

[runic fable]

it did

[raven arrow]

is it fixed ? i dont know but its already ruined checked gold prices to seee inflation decided to quit cycle
its 0.045 $ for 1m on some sites on google how can i compete with that to buy red ring etc lol 😄

[delicate briar]

Welcome to cof my friends

[novel geyser]

long term? I dont think there's going to be a long term after this

[obsidian sundial]

yup. Goodbye 80% of playerbase. see you in 1.2

[raven arrow]

yes by the way 0.045 like joke i like trade play in game to farm deterministic way (doing the same at poe too) to buy mb i dont need to drop itself can buy cards save up etc

[novel geyser]

It's not only about the gold price drop. A LOT of MG players wil quit after this, leaving MG market a wasted land
Then there will nothing to buy even if you have infinite gold now, cuz noone's here to farm the items

[runic fable]

I was maaybe going to do few last upgrades to my build today, but after dupe there's no point. Anyway I've killed Aberroth and T4 Julra, got to 800 corruption.
Waiting for POE 3.25

[raven arrow]

and i play like 10-12 hours a day mostly im lucky if i can farm 10m+ that day and cant buy anything now to progress ther deterministicially 😄 cant even imagine people casually play

[runic fable]

Also wanted to trade my boss drops to my friend, but p2p trading is disabled lol

[obsidian sundial]

Yup. My last item I need is 3lp or 4lp peak. Never going to happen now. Character is done, I guess. Freaking sucks man

also at 900c and killed abby 55 times

[delicate briar]

New poe league soon anyways

[runic fable]

I missed slam on 3lp Peak yesterday and lost another one in Nemesis (died to poison after it dropped). Wanted to make few more attempts on it today, but..

[twin vortex]

Man might have to run some lightless harbour if peaks are that expensive

[obsidian sundial]

I'm not one of those people who enjoy poe. I tried a few times but really dont have any fun. LE getting ruined really sucks for me.

[raven arrow]

everything expensive m8

[delicate briar]

Try poe ssf. Its godlike

[twin vortex]

And i will meet that demand

[raven arrow]

devs need to fix that kind of stuff for MG or need to make it like poe for multiple currency type to make it bit harder to dupe atleast chaos orb would be worthless if duped etc

[twin vortex]

3lp peaks really arent that rare and you can jam the 0lp ones in nemesis

[frozen rune]

rip trade

[ebon helm]

i've got a 1.4 billion item YEY

[obsidian sundial]

It's not because of trade, I don't like the combat, I don't like the camera angle, the game lacks QoL and feels dated to me, I don't like that difficulty is cliffs and not gradual, and the learning curve turns me off. I don't like following guides, I like exploring the game and learning for myself what works, and POE is fundamentally designed to punish players exactly like myself.

[compact patio]

I play PoE since alpha/beta and I don’t like it also. Trade in LE sucks and game would be much better without it tbh. I had vacation and I think I will go to CoF since I can switch now.

[obsidian sundial]

I think POE has the worst new player experience of any game I've ever played.

[runic fable]

that's true

[half lark]

all this and PoE makes you lose xp on death in endgame which is rip to me

[finite trench]

as a representative of CoF faction, we always welcome the refugees

[obsidian sundial]

And you cannot afford to respec either if you messd up.

[runic fable]

but in terms of QoL LE is waaay behind, game is sooo clunky in it's core

[delicate briar]

Well i think losing xp if you die is important

Otherwise you can ignore defensives

[runic fable]

Losing XP is mandatory, yeah

[finite trench]

yeah

[obsidian sundial]

POE doesn't even have autosort inv, loot filters without using a 3rd party website, and the UI is in the corners of your screen like the year is 1990 and its diablo 1. What are you talking about

[half lark]

why is losing XP mandatory lol

[delicate briar]

I do my filter manual since its faster ☆)

[runic fable]

I'd rather use 3rd party website with a lot of features than in-game filter with just a few features. Autosorting idk, I've never used it in LE. UI is yeah, looks old

[obsidian sundial]

Well the difference is to me of a third party website is a useful optional tool, or a hard requirement. GL playing poe in any capacity without 3rd party tools for encomy (poe ninja) loot filters, and path of building

[compact patio]

Having to use 3rd party tools instead of something in game is bad design in itself. It’s same in WoW, you need second screen to play the game.

[obsidian sundial]

some people might say POE is the best arpg ever but honestly I think it has over a dozen enormous problems and I personally don't have any fun playing it, and believe me I've tried to

[arctic current]

You do know poe is 13 years old and quite alot of features where community created before the devs implemented it in game, some are still community ran. You are being a bit tooo critical for a game with a small development team and less than a year going live.

[obsidian sundial]

LE for me is a way, way, WAY better experience

[delicate briar]

Well the lootfilter Website is something modern. Like pre 3.0 in poe you need to Code your filter instead

[arctic current]

If you want to compare, comparing with diablo 4. Which is more recent release

[obsidian sundial]

Diablo 4 has no endgame, no depth, so it has no appeal to me at all

[runic fable]

Nah I like LE overall. Devs are doing good job, they just need more time

[obsidian sundial]

LE has more content now than POE had at their launch 11 years ago

[compact patio]

I also love what they are doing but they are definitely slow in putting out content in my opinion. Doesn’t matter to me but for a lot of ppl it’s minus.

[obsidian sundial]

I played open beta. I remember when docks farming was endgame. lol

[arctic current]

LE has more content than d4 at launch lol

[obsidian sundial]

LE has more content than D4 right now

[arctic current]

😂

[abstract scaffold]

More content than D4 after is reboot, probably more than after its expansion comes out

[half lark]

Wolcen unironically has more content than D4 lmao

[obsidian sundial]

w lcen

[compact patio]

Wolcen Stolcen

[proud acorn]

One of the things that make this economy kind of awkward is you have to kind of gamble on the worth of your item. You know what people are selling items for, but you don't 100% know what people are willing to pay for it.

[compact patio]

Trade is just drama while CoF players are enjoying the game and playing it as devs intended since start

[obsidian sundial]

I thought I had an idea. But hey, now hyperinflation is here, just make every item 1.5billion and call it a day

[proud acorn]

Eh I can navigate the trade landscape just fine.

It's awkward sometimes but it's not ruining my experience. And I prefer it over praying to the rng gods.

That's personal preference though.

[obsidian sundial]

The UI isnt awful its just clunky. but I heard they will work on it more

[arctic current]

I am quite scared to switch to cof, now my build without my gears will make my character squishy 😭

[proud acorn]

I in no way assume either the system or its UI will remain the way it is right now.

If you wanna swap faction without it being painful it's probs better to just do it in a new cycle.

Or at the very least on a new character. And accept that you might not have all of the twink gear you want.

By the way what do you guys consider the best way to generate gold?

[compact patio]

Switching to CoF when I get back from work it’s just waste of time with trading being dead in a week. Me being in complainers camp, feels strange.

[proud acorn]

I mean that's entirely your prerogative.

I sold half a tab of items yesterday.

Haven't bought anything yet because I've only just unlocked exalted weapons but I have a very good yellow weapon already.

I'd like a new amulet, haven't had a good one drop yet but exalted amulets are still a ways off.

[compact patio]

Yesterday it was pretty much normal. Today it went to ***. Last time when I pushed at start I also was happy with trade but as soon as I got all items I needed for build gold dupe destroyed everything. Now it’s same thing again, so I can just zoom zoom like in 1.0 and enjoy trade for a week or just play CoF whole cycle.

I will check prices after work to decide.

[obsidian sundial]

4LP peaks went literally from 10m to 1.5b in a matter of like 6 hours

[steady bolt]

there was a gold dupe like 1st cycle

[untold adder]

what do we do now? change guildes? and if so can i use my old equipment?

[untold adder]

ok i guess i cant... this is FUCCCKED. i spend 3 days grinding just to throw it aall out the window. good game

[untold adder]

brotha people are paying 1.5b for anything now. there is no gamble

[arctic current]

Hopefully the market stabilise back soon.

[frozen rune]

The dupers are panicking just like last cycle

They're trying to outsell each other (again) before the impending doom

Divines were dirt cheap last league

[small jay]

Yep. Cant equip MG items as CoF lol

[wet raft]

while devs nerfed CoF for some reason 🤣 MG 10-12 can be omitted, while COF really wants higher tiers.
plus giving league mech favoring MG players.

[untold adder]

idk what to say.. i was so excited for LE after completing my D4 build. i think im going back to D4 and play some endgame stuff... this is really disappointing

[wet raft]

market should be disabled as soon as devs acknowledged gold dup bug existance

[peak depot]

Prices dropped quite fast last cycle (relatively speaking) after they fixed it and banned so many people removing the gold from rotation. I was watching key meta items every few hours and they were falling fast as stock rebuilt.

However, with this happening so early and much smaller player count this cycle, my concern is actually about the numbers of people who will just switch and not look back, especially if they are early in ranks/weren't mega blasting from launch

[royal glen]

what's the recommend thing to do for MG rank ups? after Rank 6 it's taking forever - it's also hard to tell which item sells as the search function isn't great

[raven arrow]

well since poe league coming too i believe this inflation will almost kill cycle (i dont think its still fixed ) by kill cycle i mean loss of player in big numbers

[small jay]

How much is a basic wrongwarp wand?

[untold adder]

they need to allow MG points and rank to translate over to CoF and allow to use quipment. why do we have to pay for their mistake

[untold adder]

in 2h maybe 1b?

[small jay]

Rofl

[royal glen]

Might switch over to CoF, not a fan of MG afterall. You list something for 0 gold and get the rep for it so you can rank up? dumb

[untold adder]

oh its 500k i was too hyped for my anger

[wet raft]

u can spend it in vendor >_>

[peak depot]

1LP wrongwarp is at 25m, 2LP 1.2b

[royal glen]

so listing and buying then - everything is mega expensive right now anyway. I only have 300k and everything is in the millions

[proud acorn]

The sky is never falling.

[wet raft]

no? just go to npc and open gamble shop and spend 4k something favor on items in his shop. 0 gold wasted, only favor. after rank up in faction you'll get more favor generation

[proud acorn]

I think dumb is the people putting it up for 0g. At least put it up for vendor price.

[untold adder]

even if u had brain damage and bought gold, the price dropped from 10$ - 100M to 10$ - 200M in 1h. its so broken that no one can play. MG is dead

[proud acorn]

Lol, "I'm leaving, therefore dead".

[untold adder]

i hope im wrong...

[pearl kettle]

i droped 2x red ring of atlaria yesterday i sold them for 40 milion each what build should i do 🤔

[proud acorn]

Oh ok this is actually fair sorry.

[royal glen]

didn't know you could trade gold? how do people buy gold?

[proud acorn]

They buy accounts that have the gold.

Or maybe you sell them junk for exorbitant price.

[wet raft]

it's enough for buyer to put some bad item for VERY HIGH PRICE, and let gold seller buy it...

[untold adder]

all good. there are no more games i enjoy. some d4 here and there but LE 1st season i played 250h so i was hoping to have the same experience

[proud acorn]

Sorry I had that written out and was waiting for timer.

I think you can have fun with this game even if MG did not exist.

[royal glen]

meh, people always find ways to ruin things I guess

[untold adder]

yh... i will take a break and start over in CoF. need to recover some dopamins before i can take this step lol

[sick imp]

anyone got good trade filter?

[pearl kettle]

are there trade filters even

[proud acorn]

And I don't think this problem was caused by the devs. Although it sure as hell is their responsibility to fix it. But I think it's important to make that distinction.

[untold adder]

i guess. sellers will always find a way. in d4 they< had bots farming gold. but at least that way inflation happened waaay slower. we just shot up like japanese yen

[proud acorn]

See this is why I tend to be optimistic about trusting devs: They have no choice but to fix things and make things better, otherwise there will be no more game.

Even if the game isn't always the most competently made it at the very least is lovingly made.

[untold adder]

i chose MG this season to get 2-3LP items. but i read cof chat. u can get those with the eggs now anyway?

[proud acorn]

Only if you're lucky

[untold adder]

define lucky 🤔 what are the odds

[proud acorn]

I dunno but it's far more likely to get random affixes instead of LP.

Thing is, MG and CoF seem to be deliberately designed to be about equivalent in terms of effectiveness.

[mystic heath]

I read your name with a C in front of the N

[proud acorn]

That says more about you than it does about me.

[untold adder]

hmm.. another reason i chose mg was to have a bit more interaction with other players. it feels very lonly compared to d4 where ppl ask for groups to fight bosses or push pit

[proud acorn]

Group play in arpgs is kinda garbage if it's not with friends

[untold adder]

i disagree. sometimes u group up with people and u look into each other build, its kinda fun. sometimes someone has a similar build and u can give each other tips and hints. it just makes the experience more immersive

[proud acorn]

I would get kicked from every group for having the audacity to check my inventory between echoes.

[untold adder]

ur not supposed to do that? lol i do it everytime🤔

[proud acorn]

At least it's not like in PoE where multiplayer punishes you.

[untold adder]

im scared to play poe bc there is a potential that it can take over my life. ah thats like d4 NMD

[proud acorn]

Because you always have 6 chances at a map. And each player uses one chance.

So let's say you have 4 people and you for whatever reason all die.

You can't even re enter together. Only 2 people can go back in.

[untold adder]

that sounds fair to me xd. its like d4 nighmare dungeons

[frozen rune]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/gold-glitch-happened-again/72508

I wonder if that guy made the exploit worse by not reporting it silently

[untold adder]

well there is ur problem

[proud acorn]

Gold duping aside what is the best way to get gold?

[untold adder]

i assume trading by getting lucky with good items

[proud acorn]

I mean aside from that.

[pearl kettle]

no one will probably get banned for it right

[proud acorn]

I think making the problem worse was the intent.

It's like holding a proverbial gun to the head of the devs. Fix this now or it will spiral out of control.

[untold adder]

it will just spread from here. ppl will try it so maybe they have to ban 30% of MG playerbase?

[frozen rune]

Doesnt matter, these people have dozens of accounts

[pearl kettle]

wait a minute the red rings are now 1b+ becuz of gold dupe and i sold them yesterday for 40 milion each...

[untold adder]

yh good morning buddy xD

[frozen rune]

F

[proud acorn]

Maybe the reason I can be so blase about this is because it really is just a videogame to me.

[frozen rune]

I got a Red ring with the rune yesterday, i will never afford a second one in this economy

[pearl kettle]

guess im quiting game faster than i thought and go play something else while i wait for PoE

[untold adder]

i found 1 myself too and was very proud of it. however i still own miine

[proud acorn]

Is this really preventing you from playing the game?

[pearl kettle]

i am in trade faction my goal of fun was farming gold

[proud acorn]

I mean no shade, it was a legit question.

[untold adder]

its a big part of acquiring equipment. ofc this sux

[frozen rune]

If you list it for gold limit now, you can prob buy 10 of them in a week

[proud acorn]

I mean getting gear isn't really very high on my own priority list.

[pearl kettle]

well i think im gonna quit just rn xDDD cuz its pointless to play knowing i could get 3 bilion from the rings i sold but i made 80 milion

[untold adder]

u might be right....

[proud acorn]

So you have infinity money but you don't like that you don't have even more infinity money?

[pearl kettle]

i bet the dupers wont even be banned unlike in path of exile GGG can track anyone down

[proud acorn]

Again legit question I'm not sure how any of this works.

[frozen rune]

As I said, divines were dirt cheap in necro

[proud acorn]

I don't see how they wouldn't be banned.

[pearl kettle]

even if they will get banned the damage is done

[untold adder]

to me, im very obsessive in games like this. my d4 build is 95% perfect. only then can i go to sleep at night. now bc of this dupe im locked out of good equipment. this kills a big purpose for me to achieve close to perfection builds. so yes this is game killing for ppl like me

[proud acorn]

I mean, what about just hanging on for it to get fixed?

[hollow plank]

holy... the dupe is real 😭
again

[untold adder]

i will, i have no choice lol

[pearl kettle]

this ruined everything for me even if they get banned the dmg is done in the market well see you all i got other games to play anyway while i wait for PoE

[frozen rune]

good morning to you too

[proud acorn]

I assume the devs are panicking right now themselves because they're not dumb. They know this isn't good for the game.

[hollow plank]

sup, good day sir

[untold adder]

yh how can u clear the dmg now. idk

[hollow plank]

honestly... mg full reset
i'd lose like 15m gold, but I would be fine with it

[proud acorn]

I mean... Just fix the bug. People won't have exorbitant amounts of gold anymore, and the market stabilizes again?

[hollow plank]

saw some people with 2b gold already, and some guy was posting he had billions and billions of gold on different accounts, it's crazy that this happened again

[proud acorn]

Like what do people normally do when they don't have enough money to buy the thing they want?

[wild girder]

Market CANT stabilize IF the Duped Gold is still ingame.

[frozen rune]

It's 6:30 on the east coast, half of them are probably asleep/just woke up

[proud acorn]

They have people all over the world. They will have called each other.

[wild girder]

that duped gold is already been passed on from one to another doubt they can do anything about to rollback all that gold.

[hollow plank]

saw someone ask a dev about that and the dev said they think they fixed the bug, but how does that help if rmters haver trillions of gold already?

[frozen rune]

Ik, i'm just saying that half of them were just sleeping during the market crash

[proud acorn]

I mean, doesn't that eventually just trickle down to people who find and sell items?

[untold adder]

they didnt rmt prices dropped even lower rn

[untold adder]

bro even if in 2 months everything is fixed, this ruins the game. ppls opinions and feelings are valid.

[hollow plank]

yes it does, it feels bad, imagine you sell something really nice for a billion rn, it's not your problem/fault, but it still messes with the market big time

[proud acorn]

Why are you arguing validity of opinions? Nobody said they weren't.

[hollow plank]

ye by 95% or so, there's no way bots could get that much gold by farming, or they got some crazy ones, definitely is duped

[pearl kettle]

doesnt matter the dmg is done

[untold adder]

you try to find a logical way out of this problem but thats not the point, our point. the point is that the gaming experience is ruined. there is nothing else to say

[hollow plank]

I literally said that 3 times bro, stop repeating that 😂

[proud acorn]

Ah, I see, so my opinions and feelings are invalid then.

[pearl kettle]

i said first you are repeating me 🤡

[untold adder]

they are valid ofc but we are talking past each other and i want u to understand my perspective since u asked for it

[frozen rune]

Because they are trying to sell as much as possible before their accounts get banned, same thing happened last cycle

[proud acorn]

I do to some capacity I just don't see how the market wouldn't fix itself over time, one painful way or another.

[hollow plank]

you are one hell of a clown mate, the only thing you do is reply to people with "doesn't matter dmg is already done", we all know that, and people think about ideas how to fix it, so do the devs, but I definitely agree with fmab#3919 on this one, even if they would fix it (which would be great) the experience is gone

[untold adder]

exactly. it will. but painfully bc every regular player now needs to find extremly good items to get back into the trading circle. there is now literally a paywall to compete with the prices

[bleak berry]

but also seasonal games like this are quite short lived for most people, so by the time that happens most of the playerbase would be done with the game anyway so it doesn't really matter

[proud acorn]

I mean at that point it's like. Uh how do I put this?

It's sadge that this happened?

[pearl kettle]

clown calling me for a clown 💀

[hollow plank]

just chill in your corner bro, tf you getting aggressive for, we are in this one together, just relax

[proud acorn]

Can you guys stop clowning on each other? You're not even in disagreement.

[untold adder]

yea. the season start is the most important. remember the launch? it ruined the reviews and that was less then 1% of the season time

[hollow plank]

exactly, I don't know what the hell this guy wants from me, he just keeps telling people the same stuff over and over, ain't helping anybody

[untold adder]

yea guys we are all on the same page here lmao. our game got cucked

[bleak berry]

yeah and that's what most people are coming in here to do i suppose, air their frustration and upset around this

[untold adder]

maybe its ur cool profile pic and hes jealous

[hollow plank]

haha I appreciate it, but he is simply frustrated, I understand that, I'm also

[proud acorn]

I guess I'm not as affected by this because I'm not as invested in it? (No shade, be as invested as you want to be)

[broken ice]

looks like John is online, maybe we get a statement soon

[bleak berry]

me neither really, I'm playing really casually this cycle anyway, but it's very easy to see why people are so frustrated

[full bay]

Relax my dudes it will balance out. Assuming it's fixed, there will be equilibrium in a week or so

[untold adder]

yes. the trading community is usually really enjoying the trading part. sometimes it can be more fun than the gameplay loop. i had an entire store in D4 i loved it. its not a small part of the game for us but more something like a side quest. it gives an extra purpose to the main game to chase and have extra dopamine hits

[proud acorn]

I thought trading afficionados really hated MG because it's very restrictive compared to PoE?

[pearl kettle]

wdym "aggressive" you are literally the one being aggressive here?

[hollow plank]

yes you are right, mb, now please stop, thank you 👍

[proud acorn]

Which btw doesn't seem to be related to this issue. This would have happened if PoE had an easily replicable gold dupe as well?

[bleak berry]

yes it would

[proud acorn]

Or whatever dupe that game doesn't use gold.

[pearl kettle]

poe smart no gold no dupe

[untold adder]

i never played poe, game is too good i would lose my life. i compare to d4, which wasnt perfect but it worked

[bleak berry]

the thing is that poe doesnt have just one currency governing the entire economy

[broken ice]

If there is a mirror dupe, they only thing dropping in price are mirrors

[proud acorn]

I personally do not like that. Exchanging currency is the worst time I have in that game.

[broken ice]

You can easily bulk change any currency using the website

[proud acorn]

It's an awful experience for me.

[compact patio]

They do, but they will quit as soon as now league or poe2 comes out

[pearl kettle]

when it comes to chaos:divine trading i can agree

[lost fern]

Sold an item for 2mln yesterday today it sells for 100, very nice great experience

[proud acorn]

Having to go out of the game, go on a website, finding someone who is selling the other currency in small enough amounts, hoping they're at the keyboard AND interested in the trade, whispering them, hoping they reply, going to their hideout.

[pearl kettle]

get on my level i sold for 40mil and now its 1.5bilion and i had 2 of those items😂

[lost fern]

Ok that does make me feel a little bit better

[pearl kettle]

im happy my suffering makes you happy yw

[hollow plank]

sold an orian's eye for 4,5m yesterday, rip 🕊️

[proud acorn]

Man and here I was happy with my 200k sale yesterday. You people are just in another universe.

[hollow plank]

i feel bad for my mate he got an amazing item, sold it for 50m, now it is 1.5b 🤷‍♂️

[untold adder]

sigh.....

honestly, if they didnt nerf MG, things would be worse.... so there is that

[pearl kettle]

so all the good uniques prices are balanced around the people who did the dupe gold and got 20 bilions

[proud acorn]

Nerf it?

[untold adder]

was reselling allowwed last season?

[proud acorn]

Not that I know of.

You cannot sell faction items, and items you buy become faction items.

[untold adder]

ah ok. someone said somewhere earlier that it was possible last season. mb. but yea its good that u cant resell

[wet raft]

if anything MG got buffed...

[hollow plank]

i'd love reselling items honestly, wouldn't be that bad if there wasn't the other problem rn

[delicate briar]

i hate people who flip

[untold adder]

reselling is too hardcore for a game. i get what u mean but the ones focusing on reselling make it almost impossible for regula players to get their hands on good items

[compact patio]

Reselling is Ok if whole game is based on trading and incentivize it together with crafting system. In LE it would be just bad.

[hollow plank]

so you hate me? 😢

[untold adder]

yea. its just an extra factor that would inflate pprices, making it more difficult for "normal" players

[wet raft]

reselling leads to TFT cases where mafia goes full monopoly mode, also trade bots go 🆙 Thou if trade API wasn't a thing in PoE and it would have actual market it would limit trade bots flipping to some extent...

[hollow plank]

well obv it wouldn't make it better for casual players, but I still wish for more freedom in trading, and reselling is a big part in it imo

[compact patio]

Then you choosed wrong game imo. Devs are pretty rock solid (from the beggining) on how they don’t want Epoch to change to cater mostly to hideout warriors. Which is good imo because we don’t need PoE copy pasta game which will be worse.

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[hollow plank]

pretty sure I didn't choose the wrong game, it's just something I wish for, not something that needs to be there, I play last epoch for the arpg elements and not really the trade (but if there was more of a focus on trade, I would very likely only do that)

and I don't think last epoch will be a poe copy pasta that soon, either way poe's trade is still better (but that's my opinion, just the p2p trade is annoying, if that would be instant it would be amazing)

[signal leaf]

Fliping is fun

[weary horizon]

Didn't poe have a nemesis league? 😄

[compact patio]

Of course it’s better because game have big focus on it. Here not.

[hollow plank]

well if you pick merchants guild faction it should focus on that?

[signal leaf]

I love how ppl cant farm gold

[compact patio]

It have exactly what was stated before, restrictive trading. I stepped in with expectation that it will be. For me it’s still too easy to progress and need to be even harder. Trade was pushed in at last moment, game was developed for SSF mostly so trading in LE will always be mediocre.

[hollow plank]

ye like you need to solve a puzzle and a riddle before you are allowed to buy your item in a timeframe of 30seconds, or your item will be destroyed
that wouldn't really sound like trading to me

[weary horizon]

People can farm gold it's just useless when you need x100 more than you farm 😄
Mg still good for buying 0lp items for Free instead of using some crap. You can literally find 0 lp items with perfect rolls for free and then find better gear yourself

[hollow plank]

ye the 0lp uniques are definitely helpful, i'll see if I make an alt later on

[weary horizon]

The fact you can find PERFECT rolls for free too. That can make big difference

[signal leaf]

Well igusse best gold making is still Arbor and soul fire. But ye the dung9n dc problem f it up abit

[untold adder]

how is that even possible and how did someone figure this out that u need exactly 80.000. howww

[pearl kettle]

nice all the good 2LP uniques are now 10x times higher in price the exalted items are also going up in price and idols aswell the idol i needed was like 20 milion now thery are 200 and 2LP boneclamor is now 80 milion when before was 5-10m oh well see you all in next cycle hopefully EHG learn from it

[lunar raptor]

now you have a long term goal of farming a billion goal, great motivation! have fun!

[swift comet]

guys u know how is that bug worked ?

text me pls

[hollow plank]

80k what?

[untold adder]

idk the guy says 80k in your inventory. i assume he means gold?

[hollow plank]

ye but for what

[swift comet]

for bug

[untold adder]

to do the dupe. someone linked it here before

[hollow plank]

oh damn

[vapid crown]

does someone have a link to the video on how to do this_

[swift comet]

i search it too

[hollow plank]

ye I have the reddit link haha

[vapid crown]

dm me

[ashen pawn]

why you even talk about reddit variant if p2p trading disabled

[swift comet]

one guy pm and said its fixed

[bleak berry]

ehg stated that it is fixed (or at least they are "pretty sure")

[vapid crown]

when do they fix the season

[ashen pawn]

who know if they no wipe gold which means backup of servers, only next cycle and pray to not met another dupe

[frozen rune]

what do you mean you don't love to sit 6 hours a day in hideout asking 10 people if they can sell you some scarabs and getting response from none of them?

[hollow plank]

they need to wipe it as fast as possible or ban everyone involved into it, it can't be that mg economy is already destroyed a week after the launch of 1.1

[compact patio]

I love it, that’s why I hate MG /kappa

[static oar]

Hey guys. Can anyone check the price for Nihilis amulet with NO LP ? Please im away from pc and just want to know

[sick flare]

will i get to lvl 100 before i max out MG?

[static oar]

Im 91 and level 7

[sick flare]

i'm lvl 7 and lvl 88 😦

[static oar]

Can you check the Nihilis amulet for me ? With NO LP, just want to know the price, i onow its expensive. But how bad

[sick flare]

ok boss

200k

[static oar]

Really ? Not the pink one. The normal unique ? 200k ?

[sick flare]

has a like purple icon

[coarse iris]

First time?

[static oar]

Tha’s not to bad. Thought going to be waaay more expensive

[sick flare]

0LP

the price picks up fast, only 2 pages and by the end of the 1st page the price is 3.5M

[hollow plank]

200k is very little, guess nobody is really using it, but it really depends on the rolls as they can roll into the negative

[hollow plank]

well the first dupe in 1.0 was later into the cycle than this one, so it's only getting worse from now on I guess, 1.2 is going to be day 1 or what 😂

[static oar]

I kind of need it

[coarse iris]

They straight up release the way to exploit in the patch notes next time xD

[untold adder]

im back on diablo, i will see how things develope now and if there is not a miracle fix i will probably sit the rest of the season out too

[hollow plank]

ye a detailed guide haha

[blissful sundial]

we need a total wipe

[delicate notch]

i think they fixed the glitch. the prices seems to be getting back to normal. hopefully they ban those people

[crimson coral]

there is no fixing this its over

[sullen valve]

You are being way overdramatic there.

[quiet oxide]

gonna take awhile, red ring went from 40m to 1 billion to 350m

[sullen valve]

I have a bigger issue with lack of proper searching tools than I do with a gold dupe at this point

[teal kernel]

Prices will definitely return to normal I have no doubt but in the next cycle. 🦣

[gusty pivot]

My hardly worked 10kk is now a penny

[small jay]

I just want to be able to search up ranges with stats. Like min/max stat ranges. And we can only search up 1 T7 exalted stat?

[fervent schooner]

CoF rules. MG drools.

[sullen valve]

At this point, I think you need to combine both if you want an acceptable experience. Go MG, get your LP2 uniques, then switch to CoF

[fervent schooner]

How you gonna wear your MG gear as CoF?

[dense pecan]

When you sell an item, do you just get gold? or any favor too?

[sullen valve]

Just gold. The favor is gained when you list the item

[dense pecan]

ty

[sullen valve]

You can't that I know of aside from an alt farming CoF for your main. Sorry, that came out as a fact strategy rather than what we should be able to do currently to enjoy the game better until they fix it.

[tough hound]

Two cycles of gold dupes got me thinking I'm just going to treat this game as a SSF game from now on and treat POE as my fun market sim arpg

Which is sad because I love trading in arpgs

[vapid crown]

Do you guys think its gonna regulate itself, or is it best to just quit

[signal leaf]

just sell item Fast

[wet raft]

No gold sink

[gilded notch]

imma start pushing corruption so im wondering: what would be the best timeline to farm regarding uniques?

[lean wind]

winter has expensive uniques that youll probably rarely see. lance has expensive uniques ull see sometimes. some harbinger drops are decent money if you enjoy that. depends what you like to do.

[gilded notch]

by "rarely see" you mean like in builds?

[lean wind]

no like, super rare. 1/500ish

[signal leaf]

Farm Arbor for Gold is yaya good

[gilded notch]

i wanna push corrupt not just for uniques but for like general loot, so i wanna kill 2 birds and also go for the uniques

[hollow plank]

I have 540 shields with my ring of shields, my dmg is above 2.1b at this point, the game gave up and shows me "-" only (and no, I'm not playing offline) 😂

[signal leaf]

general loot is best in arbor tbh

[lean wind]

How do you farm arbor for gold? I have like, 50-100 keys lol

[signal leaf]

you pay at the end to amke alot of items/idols drop but i reqomend to check up strats on what options you spend on

[gilded notch]

dont u get way better loot by pushing corrupt tho? arbor has a limit on "magic find"

[lean wind]

Ahh. Okay. I feel like pricing idols is a PITA.

[signal leaf]

No becus in Arbor the item can duplicate it self 8 items if you lucky + the boss loot is kind nice gold wise ort use of they drop with lp, Arbor is way Faster then pushing corruptions, and with Arbor is the chest at the end you open thet Drop all items.

[halcyon sorrel]

Is Valdyr's chalice not available in MG?

[arctic current]

tbh, it would balance out later on. \

[clever creek]

wtf are wrong with prices... 6.5m for a wand without LP

[tough hound]

Because there was a gold dupe over the weekend.

[clever creek]

oh wow, hope they will fix it.. otherwise i cant buy anything

[queen zinc]

People are saying it's fixed but the damage is done the gold economy is inflated

[scenic pier]

economy already cooked lmao

[clever creek]

so sad 😦

[signal leaf]

6.5m you should have made the first day

[clever creek]

show me how 😄

[signal leaf]

play the game and sell stuff aint harder then thet

[clever creek]

lol

[sullen valve]

The biggest mistake you can do on MG is not take the time to sell valuable loot and just farming gold to buy your items.

If you don't sell anything, might as well play CoF.

[signal leaf]

well day 1-4 if where you make your gold, becus ppl buy alot of crap items to get them going

[clever creek]

When I change to CoF, can I use my equip what i bought at MG? Because I get a Pop up to unequip it.

[sick flare]

you cant use it

[tacit verge]

two days ago I dropped COF to join MG, leveled up an alt, gold dupe discovered 😿 . Now all my COF stuff is gone and MG is...daunting. lol

[sick flare]

many many billions of gold is now in the economy, the economy currently sucks

[clever creek]

ok ty, so i wont change

[formal sail]

2/2 on MG seasons being ruined by gold dupe

[icy pilot]

the fact that gold doesn't default to 0 on an overflow (since this issue is when gold goes into the negative) is what surprises me

[formal sail]

I guess this is one way to buff CoF right? just make MG pointless

[lean wind]

Overflow errors and causing software issues, a tale as old as time

[icy pilot]

Yeah but surely you could make it so gold defaults to 0 on even a -1 overflow, and have some checks in place to detect foul play (logs out with 80k, logs in with 21b should set off some alarms)

[prime salmon]

afaik they aren't experienced devs so features like that aren't built in from the beginning

[icy pilot]

I would've assumed they would have looked into something along those lines, since last cycle also had a gold dupe to do with gold overflowing

[lean wind]

Many languages now a days have that by default, but uh, depends? You can force checks like that but it may be difficult depending on how things are set up

[gaunt maple]

I so regret playing MG

[icy pilot]

Just kinda disappointing. I was COF last season, capped my COF level too. Only reason I went MG this cycle is because I did 120+ hours of farming as COF and didn't get a SINGLE Talons of Valor.

Now I'm gonna swap to COF and start my Faction levels from scratch again.

[sullen valve]

Nope, you need to find non-marked gear.

[full fjord]

Any word from the devs on response or is the market just gonna be f'ed for the rest of the cycle?

[gaunt maple]

I also am usually a SSF player in most ARPGs, but I felt like playing the economy this cycle and the economy is broken (again).

[sullen valve]

I'm in the same boat, but wisdom says it's just a matter of the grass is always greener in the other garden, right?

[gaunt maple]

Has EHG said anyting about this?

[signal leaf]

ye they did say git gud

[gaunt maple]

lol "git gud" as in "be first to exploit bugs"

[sullen valve]

As far as I am concerned, this is how I see it : you play and sell overpriced items to buy other overpriced items. Farming gold efficiently becomes secondary

[signal leaf]

No just lern how to Farm

[full fjord]

"Exploit first and don't tell reddit"

[gaunt maple]

JuSt LeArN HoW To FaRm....glaze harder bro

[prime salmon]

since it's not a freetoplay game banning should work somewhat well that most people wont exploit

[icy pilot]

I did 120 hours of farming last season, target farming bows, didn't get a single Talons of Valor - I guess I need to spend 180 hours this time.

[gaunt maple]

they banned exploiters already, right?

[signal leaf]

120h for a hole season .. thets like 1 week of gametime comone bro

[icy pilot]

Not everybody is a bum who can sit at home all week long, 120h is a lot of time to spend farming for a single item.

[signal leaf]

or you just planing your time

12h in 3 monthes is thet like 30 min aday

ithink i droped 8 on the ground last season, becus they was so low Value

[torpid ridge]

Hi. How did EHG respond to the gold dupe this time? Did not yet start playing yet.

[sullen valve]

You do realise the vast majority plays less than 30h a week, right?

[signal leaf]

ye butr then you should not whine stuff becusa you cant afford bis gear

[gaunt maple]

dude is just glazing, ignore him....the arguments are troll level at this point

[bleak berry]

they said they fixed it and I think that is all

[signal leaf]

LAst season was 2880h

[torpid ridge]

Did they at least shut down the servers while working on the fix or something?

[bleak berry]

no, the game and trade were left fully open

[gaunt maple]

The problem economically is that the injection of 100s of billions of gold into the economy creates inflation so anyone who didn't exploit has taken a massive hit on purchasing power. That will instantly turn some people off and they will abandon the game. Those left will of course be able to sell farmed gear at higher prices and over time prices will creep down, but most people play cycles in the early weeks anyway, so by the time things correct, the player count will be drastically reduced anyway. It's a bad look for EHG honestly given this seems to happen every single big release.

[torpid ridge]

Well that sucks. Thanks for telling me. Good thing I did not even start yet then.

[gaunt maple]

The 🤷‍♂️ response basically amounts to "better luck next cycle" which then amounts to "you really shouldn't play MG if you're expecting a normal economy"

[bleak berry]

yep. luckily I'm not taking the game too seriously or playing much atm, I can imagine how frustrating it'd be if you'd dedicated a lot of time to MG since the start of the cycle

[signal leaf]

well if you play 120 out of 2880h is kind selfexpline it

i dont know why ppl have a hard time to Self reflect over there own playstyle and game time

when there efficeny is low too

[bleak berry]

i think that is irrelevant to anything, the value of your time is subjective to yourself and it's demoralising to have that time wasted regardless of efficiency

[sullen valve]

Efficiency is one thing, but play time is mostly limited by professionnal work and social obligations. Sure, you can be a no life game nerd, but we aren't in early 2000. Game devs target people with about 10-20h a week for a few weeks as the main demographic nowadays.

[bleak berry]

oh was that point unrelated to the dupe stuff, nvm

[sullen valve]

As far as I'm concerned, an inflated economy just means you need to put much more importance on playing and your filter than finding the most efficient gold farming strategy (although it doesn't hurt)

[signal leaf]

well ye . but this game is a mix btw poe and d4 so is a midcore farming game

[scenic pier]

give the edge to D4 over this right now, hurts me to say but the lack of improvements and the performance issues really hold this back. I can get a few good days out of D4. I can get a decent week out of LE

[signal leaf]

and only reson alot of games Focus on Casuels is becus the ppl at 30+ spend alot of Cash

[sullen valve]

That's the point, they trade cash for not having time to play

[signal leaf]

yeep thets why gold$$$ make so mutch money

[steady spear]

I don't realize that realistically what it costs, but what I need specifically, always costs an unrealistic amount of money. Honestly, I have no idea where to get such sums of money

Can you tell me if anyone has played on CoF, maybe I'd be better off there? I have a suspicion that as I players who do not quite understand how to trade profitably, and not just buy - nothing to do in this guild

[jolly python]

Hey everybody!
Recently i started this cycle, just got to empovered monolith, and decided to go MG this cycle. But i heard about some gold bug which made item prices skyrocket. Do you guys think i should switch to CoF now or MG is still a viable choice?

[clever creek]

Change to CoF, i did it too ^^

[gaunt maple]

Due to the entire MG community losing all their purchase power literally overnight due to yet another gold exploit, they should allow every MG player to switch to CoF but have favor not reset, we should get commensurate CoF faction ranks for having a week's worth of farming value eradicated. I have zero trust in MG as a game system at this point, feel like there's a high probability of other economic shocks due to exploits and chicanery that I just don't want to deal with.

[sullen valve]

Usually means you ended up playing a meta build or a build needing very specific items everyone wants... you can either learn how to trade efficiently (selling items) or switch build to something less costly... with the risk of not finding what you want on MG.

[signal leaf]

Sadly we cant resell. so is kind more easy market

most inportent of a season is like day 4-5 is the days you should sell

[sullen valve]

If you have a good filter for valuable items and you play the game instead of farming just gold, the dupe changes nothing

[jolly python]

setting up such filter will require good overall meta knowledge, and tons of time i suppose? I lack both at this point 😄

[signal leaf]

or googel serch 😄

[gaunt maple]

yes selling in the early days is the go-to strategy as the demand is high but supply small....but if you did that this cycle, you got totally screwed due to the gold exploit. The new game theory strategy is to assume there will be a gold exploit, hold all your items until it's discovered and pathced, then sell. Anyone who plays MG next cycle who doesn't do that is kind of dumb imo

[signal leaf]

the things is thet after you sell you buy all your gear and are kind done

[scenic pier]

after playing POE I just cannot deal with the search in the Bazar, it's like it's intentionally bad to add 'friction'

[sullen valve]

You can just go over The Sanctum Market discord, use their filter and tweak for your needs

[signal leaf]

and after thet you just Farm and sell . and no need to buy expensiv stuff

what ios the price now for the belt and ring from soulbaston boss?

[sullen valve]

That was my reaction as well. Poor searching options automatically means bad pricing and low buyers.

[signal leaf]

how can you get screwd if you alredy have buy eavrything you need ?

[jolly python]

Yeah, i saw this one, but i guess it still requires good meta knowledge to tweak it properly. Also, meta may shift at some point, so gotta check meta builds like every day

[signal leaf]

Tweking gear saves alot of gold. alot of times you Can downscale gear alot and still be fine .

[arctic current]

Does relisting an item back on to sale increase favour towards rank up?

[sullen valve]

They are supposed to update it soon to forego the meta builds and directly adjust based on market prices of items. But it takes time to go over all these pages manually...

[blazing sentinel]

You really don't need all that knowledge to start, you can download the filter and what drops get highlighted, those are the ones you sell. No need to make it more complicated

[signal leaf]

Easy filter . show exalted t6x2 and t7/uniqs/idols

[sullen valve]

I'd get flooded with just that lol

[signal leaf]

ye buts thet the lazy version 😄

[sullen valve]

I don't think you should expect meta to shift more often than a week or two

We still have very limited tools to see what's meta. Mostly Maxroll at this point IF they keep it updated regularly.

[signal leaf]

Last Epoch Gold Dupe Scandal: Players in Shock Over Economy Chaos
Players in Last Epoch are reeling from a gold dupe scandal impacting the in-game economy. lol

[gaunt maple]

I'm not going to teach you econ 101, bro. Find a local community college.

[signal leaf]

ye we have see how good the Collage Studens are in USa so no ty

[gaunt maple]

Maybe economics just isn't your game....I know, let's have a spelling contest

[signal leaf]

ye sure lets typ in Chines

[visual haven]

what happened with market. why all prices are x10-x100?

[forest shard]

Never tried MG, is it the correct time?

[bleak berry]

infinite gold bug

[visual haven]

damn... so my gold that i farmed last 2days is useless now 😭

[gaunt maple]

@forest shard depends if this is the last gold exploit or not

[sullen valve]

Depends, try it a day or two, if you don't like it, switch

[bleak berry]

pretty much, at least if you're needing the popular items that have shot up already

[coral plover]

did they fix the dupe already?

[gaunt maple]

yes, all your purchasing power has been destroyed instantly

[sullen valve]

Focus on loot, not gold for a few days

[forest shard]

oohh nvm i will continue to suffer in my infinite grind of COF

[sullen valve]

Sell good loot, get gold until it stabilises to a point where gold farming is ok again

[coral plover]

if the dupe isnt fixed its pretty bricked, if its fixed theoretically the second you can sell an item of value you get all the benefits of the inflated economy, no?

[sullen valve]

Yes, when there is a dupe, you need to focus on loot selling.

[gaunt maple]

@forest shard I would take this option honestly. MF is too unstable. They should honestly offer MG players to transfer to CoF and keep their favor just once.

[coral plover]

atleast the favor grind is shorter than last cycle

[forest shard]

welcome to COF xD

[strong hare]

If i swap to COF from Mech I cant wear any of my merc gear right?

[signal leaf]

right

[opal thistle]

Anything with the MG tag (So basically anything you purchased from AH or other players)

[strong hare]

They that’s some BS with the gold
Dupe.

[dusk pivot]

Cycle is dead for MG sad but didn't even last 1 week. See the 250mil prices. Love the balance or better say lack of balace from devs end.

[tacit verge]

felt longer this go around for some reason

[strong hare]

Yeah it’s broken. I’m on 500+ corruptions with MG.

My options are fully start over on cof / stay at a dead end on MG or quit…

[dusk pivot]

i close the 3rd option quit and wait for poe patch

[strong hare]

Honestly I think you’re right.

[blazing sentinel]

Gosh dang it! I really enjoyed MG, I was stuck cause my resistance was too low? Just buy the item. It was awesome.

So is it CoF time?

[opal thistle]

This happened last season, prices recovered and once you got a decent drop you could buy back into the market. It'll be ok

[median arrow]

OSRS Faction time

[coral plover]

yeah i feel like clearly this is the situation lolol but some people just wanna be mad

[opal thistle]

We're less than a week into the patch, you're fine to swap to CoF if you want there is still 2-3 months of time to enjoy 1.1

Or you can just keep farming and get some good drops, buy back into the market and keep playing MG without issue

[blazing sentinel]

Good point and prospective there

[coral plover]

Perspective* :3

[arctic current]

yes so true. The game has two fraction. Just play COF guys. The market would soon balance itself out

[opal thistle]

One of the things to keep in mind is that it doesn't take much to make a build that can clear all the content in the game. With some cheap LP 0/1 unqiues and decent crafting you can take down Aberroth

[coral plover]

yeah like dont get me wrong it's unfortunate. but to act as if the cycle is dead for MG is wild

[velvet ravine]

i just went thru my shopping list and nothing i want is even affected, playing offmeta kinda though (not completely offmeta though, one of dreads builds)

[coral plover]

lol dread is basically offmeta

[velvet ravine]

kinda ye xd

[round wasp]

falconer doesn't need much investment at all to clear aberroth

[cinder forge]

how would you guys price a 2lp smokeweaver? none currently on market

[dusk pivot]

u know why there noone on the market cause ppl that dude bough up the market. You can search for 3lp titan heart also. Were couple 2 days ago all gone over night. I can give more expample but i think u get it.

[opal thistle]

Hard to say, with the gold dupe issue prices are in flux. I would post up what you would be happy getting for it and if it sells rad. If not, you can repost it in a week or so with more information

[fair trail]

Same for me, all 3/4 LP items I could grind for are all gone and if a single instance shows up, it's like much more expensive. 5kk two days ago, today 100kk, let's go

[radiant path]

So dupe is still working, right?

[cinder forge]

ye good idea ty

[honest cave]

Sold mine for 2mil on Saturday. With the dupe going on I'd put it up for 20mil or so

[cinder forge]

ok yea the inflation has been crazy

[prime salmon]

you should probably sell it as fast as possible, prices going down

[cinder forge]

I hope so then i can actually buy some gear lol

[proud acorn]

People get a little irrational when shook, I don't blame them.

Either way, the market is bound to stabilise as the infinite money source is gone. The value of gold will go down as there's more of it, but also there's more of it to go around. It just requires some extra patience to break into the market.

It sucks, but the sky is not falling.

[round wasp]

are any of the aberroth drops worth anything?

[proud acorn]

I think there's some kind of ultimate amulet that's generically good.

But has negative rolls so also has a chance to be bad.

[round wasp]

oh cool, i figured that one was good. i got one with all positive but the skills is only +1

[quiet oxide]

red ring down to 139m from 390m 3 hours ago, looks like the drop is coming

[proud acorn]

It's +1 to all though.

[obsidian sundial]

The neckalce with good rolls is worth a ton. the rest of them need LP to be worth anything

[proud acorn]

There's only one other item with +1 to all and it's also an amulet.

[obsidian sundial]

Ok that's not even true at all

[round wasp]

omnis is probably still in really high demand , but i haven't checked

[proud acorn]

Oh?

[obsidian sundial]

Cleaver Solution. Merophage.

[proud acorn]

Cleaver is to all?

[obsidian sundial]

Yes.

[proud acorn]

I'll revise my statement. Only omnis is generic with a +1 to all. I don't think merophage is generic.

And now the new amulet also.

[royal glen]

there's still billions of gold in circulation though, right?

[proud acorn]

Yes but it gets dispersed.

[gaunt maple]

you can spin it however you like, but first week in any ARPG season is the biggest for free market trades. People who know how to play markets sell early and buy later. Anyone who pursued that strategy had the economic value of their transactions wiped, a week's worth of effort dead. It feels bad and you can't expect players to not feel defeated and want to exit.

[proud acorn]

Also it will eventually disappear.

[gaunt maple]

that's not how inflation or money supplies work...it will get dispersed over time, that is correct, but the inflationary effects will not simply disappear for a long time.

[proud acorn]

Also whether or not people leave the game is entirely their prerogative whether it makes sense or not.

[gaunt maple]

Manock you have a pension for stating t he obvious like it's not obvious. Yes, we all know it's a player's perogative "whether it makes sense or not". Nobody needed that insight.

[proud acorn]

Rude

[gaunt maple]

I'm not wrong, I notice you do that a lot

[proud acorn]

Why are you talking about me?

[gaunt maple]

I'm providing some feedback, take it or leave it. I don't actually care. You come off as extremely dismissive regarding other players' feedback.

[proud acorn]

The subject of me is kind of off topic.

[gaunt maple]

We are all members of a community and I think it's fair to provide feedback on the way people show up 🤷‍♂️ . As I said, take it or leave, my guy. We can shift back to the topic of MG now

[strong pasture]

My friend said theres still unfixed gold dupes that work and hes about to buy out red rings

[opal thistle]

I totally understand it sucks, esp for folks who have been going hard selling items and looking for deals to build capital over the last week, no denying that. I don't want to invalidate your frustrations, you're right the situation is awful. You would be 100% justified to take a break from the game if a weeks worth of effort went down the drain.

That being said, it's also true that the game is still very playable as MG. A vast majority of players will be able to buy into the market and clear all the relevant 1.1 content, even with inflated gold prices. My comments / thoughts were more directed at those claiming the "season was over" or that "MG is dead"

[gaunt maple]

hopefully friend catches a ban, it's concerning if EHG still doesn't have the means to identify exploiters and take them out

[proud acorn]

Maybe if the "feedback" made any sense.

[fresh plover]

tell him to record and report it, ez

[gaunt maple]

Yeah, I'm not trying to be dramatic. it's just a game. I'll live. Just being real about the reality of deciding to play the "play the market" game mode and then have the market explode lol. Honestly, if they gave me the option to switch to CoF and just keep all my favor, I'd do that and probalby be satisfied. Starting from zero on CoF sounds crappy, tho. I don't want to quit...but the game is kind of leaving me feeling like all the alternatives are worse 🤷‍♂️

[fresh plover]

well the thing is that dupe is just a cherry on the top, market is really bad for offmeta classes/builds. You can easily get lp uniques that nobody uses but at the same time nobody sells exalted items for non popular buids and its a serious issue

[proud acorn]

That would just change my priorities in terms of what items to target farm and which ones to buy.

[opal thistle]

Totally get ya. When this happened last season what I ended up doing was just making a CoF alt and leveling that from the start. Worked out well, allowed me to play CoF on my necro while the markets stabilized then switch back to my MG main after things were in the clear.

[gaunt maple]

Man that just sounds...like a huge drag lol

[opal thistle]

Fair enough, although I will say with the glyph of envy and the new blessing stash, getting alts caught up is a breeze

[gaunt maple]

I don't think I have the stamina or patience, it's probably bigger in my head than it actually is, but I don't think I can make myself get started on that just yet....maybe in a few weeks? lol

[opal thistle]

For sure, totally reasonable to give yourself a break. Play some other games then come back when you have the motivation 👍

[fresh plover]

no , on mg you always target farm those items that make the most money cause u need it for other slots, plus u cant really target farm exalted items, its not cof

[proud acorn]

It's ok, we're all different, we all get invested in different things in different ways in different amounts.

[gaunt maple]

It's just a huge bummer, like I just started making some good progress on an alt as I hit some of the higher MG tiers that really opened up trading possibilities and progression and then BAM, unlucky timing for me I guess. If I had played a little more hardcore, I probabl would hve already made the high value trades and if I had played a little less fast I probably wouldn't have been affected as much.

[proud acorn]

I can still do the base things. Just takes longer.

[opal thistle]

In the sweet spot sh*t storm so to speak

[gaunt maple]

Totally, right after I had made some extremely high value trades and had pooled resources to make a big splash...purchasing power....gone.

like had it hit literaly 24 hours later I wouldn't have cared

[charred cosmos]

lol gg boys - there is an item dupe too... see 3 similar rings listed back to back

[quiet oxide]

can you post screenshot

[brisk grove]

There’s a dungeon that creates dupes

[polar zephyr]

I legit am in the same boat

[brisk grove]

This how I feel too about the situation I thought me having made 30m profit was great till now

[polar zephyr]

i hit 6 mil this morning selling a two tier 7 item, turns out it was now considered cheap and im no richer with the price of items now

[swift comet]

guys, bug is still work ?

[signal leaf]

is Prob From Arbor you Can get up to 8 duplicates or somthing like thet

[fierce river]

Is MG just for the cheaters and the gold buyers atm? It is very disheartening currently, and I was considering rerolling to cof

[stuck kelp]

Do you guys find it weird that the rep track for #💰┃merchants-guild makes it so that 0LP uniques are more expensive than Legendaries with 1-3 mods on them? This is b/c of the empower league mechanic no doubt but also just kind of weird. I have no immediate ideas on how to balance it but item pricing currently doesn't really make sense due to this.

[bleak berry]

it's not really weird at all, eggs are creating a ton of legendaries with bad mods or mods with no synergy, whilst 0LP uniques can be put in the eggs potentially getting LP or good mods

[stuck kelp]

there are plenty of 0gold legendaries on the market right now. go look for Acolyte uniques w/ necrotic resistance for example

[bleak berry]

the difference in amount of players between rank 3 and rank 9-12 is insane too

[stuck kelp]

or caster uniques w/ Flat spell damage, there's not even a question. Even if it was idk, lets just say elemental resistance. There's no reason a unique w/ LP ele res should be CHEAPER than a base 0LP unique

[bleak berry]

there is, mg rank

[stuck kelp]

but that's what im saying, it isn't balanced b/c of the ranking keeping pricing distorted, literally the difference is theres prob 10x people sub rank 6 lets say than there are in ranks 10-12

[bleak berry]

ofc it isnt balanced this early in the cycle because some people play 12-16 hours a day and some people play 2-3

[fair trail]

Yeah, it's really weird and imho it shouldn't work like it. Better just give 1 LP at rank 3, 2 LP at rank 5 etc. So there's any progression, not like grind for whole day (for casuals even much longer) to just touch LP system

[bleak berry]

so just make mg require less rep? because what's the point having higher ranks then

[fair trail]

There isn't, because legendaries are either totally useless (99% of cases) or good, but massively overpriced (1% of cases). To the point that it would be actually way cheaper to manually transfer mods on unique item and consider propability around it

I understand why they don't want to give all features of merchants right away, but still, current progression feels terrible, just get to level 9 asap, then you just care for favor

[stuck kelp]

if you see a sellable legendary in the nemesis league mechanic, it's higher selling price is unempowered

i went through browsing a bunch of legendaries last night to see if any of them were cheaper w/ 0LP and that was never the case basically

[knotty ore]

Anyone have an idea what jungle queen belt is actually worth? i assume the gold dupe inflation hit it hard

i got a 2lp one and its like 150m in bazar atm, and a 0lp one which is also like 8m

[ebon iron]

Liraka claws went from 10m to 30 as well... sucks

[proud acorn]

It's because 0LP uniques have more potential.

[lost fern]

Stuff that I wanted went up from 1 million to 1 billion, stuff that I drop still costs 0 gold, man I love unregulated capitalism

[proud acorn]

It's easier to make legendaries now.

[stuck kelp]

trade in this game is the most regulated in terms of ARPG. also there's no capitalism its just farming for items.

[proud acorn]

Also, muh kapitalizum.

[stuck kelp]

I understand the supply/demand side of the argument but this is a video game and it isn't about that neccessarily it's more about item power which should be far more determinitive of pricing for an item, but it's kept artifically low (for legendaries)

[proud acorn]

It's not artificial. 0LP uniques have more potential.

In tcgs, old packs are worth more unopened.

[stuck kelp]

and not to mention the inverse incentive that exists for doing the league mechanic, if u get any type of sellable unique, ur better off immediately dropping the item from nemesis league mechanic vs empowering it challenging to mob and building the item up. And u dont do this method for fast gold u do it for THE MOST gold that's also an issue.

[proud acorn]

I mean that's a matter of preference.

Whether or not it's an issue I mean.

[stuck kelp]

This is true but there is an upper limit to that potential. Let's say u drop a 0LP unique that's worth 1M gold and the BEST mod that can roll on that item is say flat spell damage and crit multi. People will get that w/ a nemesis empower AND that item will be cheaper than the 0LP item b/c of player faction distribution.

The fact that when the potential for an item has been fully realized AND it's still cheaper than the 0LP version of said item then it's a problem.

[proud acorn]

0LP uniques also would not have that value if there weren't people gambling on them.

And people wouldn't gamble on them if they didn't think they'd get a return on investment.

[lost fern]

I wouldn't say 1LP has less potential than 0LP, if you have 1LP you can buy whichever T7 you want and have 25% chance to hit. With 0LP it's completely lottery and 99% chance to fail.

[proud acorn]

It's less work. You just need to find a nemesis.

Meaning it's also easily repeatable so long as you have uniques to throw at it.

[stuck kelp]

u know what happens when u gamble on a unique w/ 0LP on nemesis and it hits a mod u dont want and ur in #💰┃merchants-guild , that item ends up on the market for less gold than the 0LP version even though it's stronger.

[knotty ore]

guess it wasnt just fake news, sold the belt for 80m, now im thinking i could've gotten more for it

[proud acorn]

That's the gamble.

[forest shard]

dont be greedy 🤣

[stuck kelp]

yes but the end result is 1-3 affix uniques that are now legendaries that no one can use b/c the system artifically gates buying those items, which is the whole point of me bringing this up to begin with

[proud acorn]

Also regardless of what you think of it, the reality speaks for itself. Everybody is buying vanillas to throw at nemeses, otherwise they wouldn't sell so well.

And the reason legendaries go for peanuts is market saturation.

[stuck kelp]

so take that to its logical conclusion
if u have a situation in a market where u have an abundance of items
AND
in that same market you have a LARGE potential client list for those exact items
wouldn't it make sense to allow those people to buy those items?

I'm not arguing this for myself tbh. im going to hit max rank im going to be level 100 and im gonna have what i want, the market dynamics for this system dont make sense and they stop making sense at reputation level 2 out of 12.

The first league i played #⭕┃circle-of-fortune to get a baseline feel for the game otherwise I would have brought this up back then

[proud acorn]

If it's not for your own sake it's for nobody's sake because you can't speak for others.

I'm a long way off max rank and I'm not feeling the problem.

So that opinion does not represent me in any way.

Like I'm not even sure if I'll even hit max rank this cycle. I didn't last cycle.

[regal roost]

can someone give me wp to bazar?

[flint dawn]

Guys, they will rollback economy or this cycle really gonna die in 6 days?

[gusty pivot]

PoE in 4 days so...

[quiet oxide]

just annoucement, after that poe builds will take off 2-3 days after that, so 6 days xd

[flint dawn]

in 11 days, mate...

[quiet oxide]

poe the game is coming out in 11 days, but people in 4 days will be playing poedb fork

[mystic atlas]

Uh just came from reddit, is MG screwed this league?

[quiet oxide]

it's fine, red ring only 120m

[mystic atlas]

Also do i now have to change to cof because MG items are probably gonna be hyper i flated again?

[mystic atlas]

Cant tell if its sarcasm or what. Im guessing it is

[quiet oxide]

it was 1 billion 12 hours ago

[jaunty fossil]

Hope they will reduce the gold in economy somehow that would help

[tough fern]

Just delete the duped gold and people selling for unrealistic numbers can get bent, their own fault

[quiet oxide]

duped gold is in circulation now, very difficult to track

[jaunty fossil]

Agreed.

[tough fern]

Sounds like something that should have been engineered last season when like 4 gold dupes happened...

[jaunty fossil]

I would just cap every account with more than 100mil to 100 mil and we are good, until new exploits come

You name the number it can be 50mil or 10 mil or 1mil

[glass rune]

Should not be. There should be a database transaction for every one of these. You don’t even have to remove all of it, just start at the huge amounts generated and follow the transactions to remove most of it, as well as from the people buying gold

[quiet oxide]

they already banned a ton, but all we know the gold could have been circulated since day 1

[proud acorn]

I mean it'll stabilize over time, it's already under way. It might require a little patience to break into.

[glass rune]

Maybe, but we don’t need to let perfect be the enemy of good. Target the huge influx

[quiet oxide]

we have last cycle to look for reference, the economy stabilized but still at a very bloated point

[proud acorn]

Same way anyone breaks into the market. Find something valuable and sell it.

[glass rune]

Tbf, the exploit was around much longer than it appears this time.

[quiet oxide]

the chinese person posting here said it's from nemesis, but reddit said it's lightless arbor, not sure who to believe, or maybe both

[proud acorn]

Also gold will also slowly disappear from the market.

[glass rune]

There really isn’t a gold sink to help with that though, is the issue

[spring haven]

just because the economy stabilizes does not mean it is fixed or fair. Unless you walked away with hundreds of millions of gold, you are at a HUGE disadvantage for the rest of the league while gearing your character.

[quiet oxide]

that won't happen, MG has no tax, people don't like lightless, and stash won't do it

[proud acorn]

I did say slowly.

[jaunty fossil]

Y but ppl who sold something for 1 billion+ are just free to buy anything

[proud acorn]

I mean there's also you know, people who hoard piles of gold and then leave.

And again, slowly. I mean slooooooowly.

[quiet oxide]

solving inflation by having people quit is not ideal xD

[proud acorn]

People quit whether you want them to or not.

[quiet oxide]

they can be fixed slowly, but with other games coming out and people having low attention span, the slowly part is not ideal

[proud acorn]

I mean if you stop playing the game the problem won't affect you anymore will it?

[glass rune]

Yeah, having the gold naturally leave when it was an influx of billions is not a good solution

[proud acorn]

So who cares what happens after that? No longer your problem right?

[jaunty fossil]

There could be community vote😄😄

[quiet oxide]

rollback ?

[proud acorn]

I mean regardless of how much it sucks, the sky isn't falling.

[jaunty fossil]

Gold cap everyone or leave it be

[glass rune]

It is really terrible, and affects a huge amount of the player base. I am not sure why you are trying to downplay this

[proud acorn]

Like, if countries died because of inflation there'd be no countries.

[proud acorn]

I'm not downplaying anything. I'm saying the sky isn't falling.

[glass rune]

You are downplaying this. You're talking about how the gold will just fade away eventually, "Very Slowly" and now trying to compare it to actual econoamyies

[proud acorn]

I'm saying things are the way they are right now no matter how much we dislike it, so it makes the most sense to adapt.

[proud acorn]

I'm not downplaying anything. I'd appreciate it if you don't pretend to know what I'm thinking better than I do .

[glass rune]

Uh, hate to break it to you, but massive inflation has caused several countries econamies to collapse? T

[quiet oxide]

COF players has been complaining that COF sucks, then sudden nobody complain anymore after this xD

[mystic atlas]

Poe wouldve rolled back, they rolled back a exalt/divine dupe and fossil dupe couple league back

[jaunty fossil]

Was cof player last season and man mg was a blast, loved it till this point 😄😄

[glass rune]

Then maybe you should go back and read how you are expressing things here. I pointed out why it's seen as downplaying. If that's not your intent, then the way you are going about it is very backwards

[quiet oxide]

i can't remember the last time they did a roll back

[jaunty fossil]

I think they will take action this time, won't do hopefully nothing twice

[proud acorn]

"It's seen that way"? By you. Arbitrarily.

[spring haven]

This isnt something people will adapt to. This is something that will cause MG players to quit unless they were the lucky ones to sell items to the dupers

[proud acorn]

I'm not quitting.

[mystic atlas]

If they do nothing. Might as well let everyone do the gold exploit

[quiet oxide]

doubt people are gonna adapt to red ring being 70m

[glass rune]

No man, it's okay. The gold will just disspate slowly!

[quiet oxide]

last cycle we actually had gold and item dupe so red ring didn't spike as hard, looks like this cycle without item dupe it really went to the moon

[merry tiger]

red ring was like 300 mil last league, just expect a dupe exploit every league

[glass rune]

There was a huge spike when the exploit was made public last time. That's when people caught on that it had been around for a while

[merry tiger]

are u really trying to argue that red ring wasnt 9 figures

[stuck kelp]

if its 300M ppl are just going to farm it and get that 300M for themselves. if it stays at 300M that's all anyone's going to farm b/c the payoff is so extreme

[flint dawn]

what means poedb fork?

[merry tiger]

unless u were buying some dogass low attribute rol

[stuck kelp]

poe.db is a PoE database website that is going to have everything that people need/use to theorycraft

[quiet oxide]

most people spend 60% of game time on poe the game, while 40% is on poedb fork, which is a poe planner

[quiet oxide]

my bad, should've said pob fork, not poedb fork

[merry tiger]

its just pob lol

[stuck kelp]

poedb.tw and PoB community fork are 2 different things

[quiet oxide]

did the devs say anything about the dupe aside from bans and monitoring ?

nvm Mike said they've been given instruction but not sharing

[mystic atlas]

Reddit or discord

[quiet oxide]

on ask the dev discord section, he said this after the official statement so im guessing there is another

[slim summit]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[fierce obsidian]

Ah nice, so don’t talk about it/acknowledge it happened and hope everyone forgets. 😂 unfortunate this game has so much potential. Imagine Poe has a dupe and suddenly millions of divines are brought into the economy overnight.. highly doubt the devs sit back and do nothing to repair the damage it’s caused. I lost interest last cycle when the first dupe happened and quit playing, I was excited for this new cycle and the fresh cycle economy without the hyper inflation from last cycle dupes. Guess I won’t be playing this one either if nothing is done.

[quiet oxide]

rip there is no more statement, the one they posted is the official one mike talked about

[flint dawn]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/regarding-the-recent-gold-exploit/72555/3

[blazing sentinel]

They already said they "fixed the glitch" but stated nothing else

[flint dawn]

they didn't do anything about broken economy, sad

[civic ginkgo]

They need to reset the economy, but they won't. Y'all kinda hooped tbh. Im really sorry again; No cap.

[shrewd nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-fry-im-shocked-well-not-that-shocked-surprised-gif-4131370

A gold dupe bug in an arpg? I am shocked! Shocked!

[jaunty fossil]

So time to farm items and take advantage of market now, trading fomo begins, maybe thats part of cycle experience too

[merry tiger]

its a feature of last epoch

[novel geyser]

If they handle it the way they did last cycle i'm gonna be very disappointed. If they are not 100% confident on their coding, they should at least have a plan if something like this happens(again!!).

[merry tiger]

i mean they cant really do anything lol

[novel geyser]

rollback?

[nova hinge]

how can i pricecheck?

[fresh plover]

they already said in the post they just gonna ban people but thats abt it

[nova hinge]

i got a tier 6 crit multi and mana off hand catalyst there are non on the market? how would i best pricecheck this?

[fresh plover]

and they said last cycle that rollback is not something that their code allows to do, so its just not an option

[novel geyser]

I can't believe they dont have anything planned after the sh!tshow last cycle

[fresh plover]

i went cof, made saf char, clean start see how it goes

[merry tiger]

i no life mg last cycle took the cof pill

[novel geyser]

COF real endgame got butchered into nonexistenece, MG's economy in shambles in less than 1 week after cycle start. Can't say for average player but for me this is very sad and disappointing

[fresh plover]

depends, i know people who got several red rings/rav void already in cof now so it depends on your builds

[nova hinge]

?

[wet raft]

either gold sink or trade tax

[rotund igloo]

not kidding. They still havent done ANYTHING about it now except disable player trading. The super common items are stablizing in price but a Red Ring with ZERO LP is still 200m, checking the steam charts last night when it happened, the playerbase went from 30k to 10k in hours. It's probably not going to go back up either. Too bad I don't care enough about playing COF in cycle

[finite trench]

As a representative of cof faction, i extend my welcome to all financial refugees

[wet raft]

CoF strike untill they buff it

[civic ginkgo]

Plenty of larger games have done
rollbacks and/or resets...ppl will just complain.

Don't even need to reset ranks. Wipe gold and prices would be set accordingly at new values.

[jaunty fossil]

There were never better time to drop a red ring, find something positive in this situation 😄

[silver ingot]

red ring should be 200m tbh, super rares chase items being worth something is a good thing

[merry tiger]

TAKE THE COF PILL

[fresh plover]

you cant wipe cause there are people who play both mg and cof and then there is just cof folks that didnt do anything

[nova hinge]

^^

[fresh plover]

nobody knows...put it for 1.5 billion see if some duper will buy it, what answer do u expect from us, economy crashed

[merry tiger]

of course they will the gold sellers already are loaded and the rmters are out swiping

[civic ginkgo]

So?

If you didn't do anything wrong, all the more reason to want a stable economy. Price for the greater good.

[rotund igloo]

I like the idea of COF but hate having to find random enemies in monoliths that hardly ever show, the dull solo grind, and dont care about leaderboards so have zero reason to play Cycle if it's not for the encomy and selling items. Trying to sell something on the 100% DEAD MG in Legacy is worse than playing with the gold dupe

[merry tiger]

i agree with u but until they can prove they have realistic contingencies against duping and exploits cof is the way

[rotund igloo]

It's not hard for them to roll back the econmy/trades in MG for the last 24 hours. Just give ppl their items back, and take thier ill gotten gold. Otherwise 50% of the players that play MG have little reason to play

[flint dawn]

They will not do it, they didn't in the first cycle. I think they just can't and don't know how to rollback it. MG is dead

[rotund igloo]

I'm sure they know how lol. I can rollback a private server if I'm hosting it and I have almost no coding experience

[novel geyser]

At this point they should just shove everyone into COF, then delete MG for good. They are clearly not prepared to run a trade game, it's not their intention in the first place to have trade in the game anw

[proud acorn]

I mean it happened now. Not like they can use the epoch and make it unhappen.

[hallow orchid]

what. again market fully crashed ?

[proud acorn]

I mean people will continue to use it even if some people quit.

[hallow orchid]

okei i start going to be cof then slow. have a lot droped gear luckily

[proud acorn]

Valid.

[hallow orchid]

i hope they fix market before season 4 or it end like new world with zero players left

[untold adder]

They still didnt say anything?

[proud acorn]

Wym they did.

[untold adder]

Where? I dont see anything in news. Whats their plan now?

[proud acorn]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/regarding-the-recent-gold-exploit/72555/3

[hallow orchid]

plan is simple like last season. doing nothing is answer and hope people not run out

[flint dawn]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/regarding-the-recent-gold-exploit/72555/3

[quiet oxide]

they released a statement, then mark said they'll release a statement soon , which made people think there's more, but that was it

[flint dawn]

they will. I think GGG tell them to make so bad cycle, then Path of Exile new league will fell better 😄

[proud acorn]

I mean who knows what kind of shenanigans will happen with new league.

I heard necro had an awful launch lol.

[sage sundial]

they did what? said that they will ban ppl and player to player trade is disabled? that solves PAST problem, not current one, where gazzilions of duped gold inflated market to no-way recover, and there is no way to fix things back. i guess its time for COF for good

[proud acorn]

Bye

[sullen valve]

I see some people are still being overdramatic over the dupe

[proud acorn]

People are emotional beings, they can't help it. Things didn't go the way they were supposed to.

[untold adder]

Yea i see. Thanks for the links. Idk what i will do now with this game

[proud acorn]

Sleep on it.

You don't have to decide right now right?

[untold adder]

Yea ofc. Lets see where things are in a week

[flint dawn]

Anyway, everybody will leave this game for Poe, no doubt

[untold adder]

But imo a roll back would be reallllly good

[icy pilot]

I'll be honest, I went a bit over-the-top with my reaction - most items (outside of mega endgame stuff) has stabilized. Stuff like red rings are crazy with prices, but that'll fix itself when they dont sell and sellers drop the prices.

Your typical uniques, gear, idols, most of em are fine price-wise.

[proud acorn]

Except for people like me.

[hallow orchid]

okei last epoch news is no news lol

[proud acorn]

I don't like PoE anymore lol.

[untold adder]

No. Engame mage stuff is still insane expensive and mostly sold out. But this should recover with time

[hallow orchid]

where os free transwer to fortune or somtinhg simple to fix that broken game again ?

[sage sundial]

im chill as **** at this point. I just would like to see any statement from ehg how this will be handled, because banning people after the fact doesnt help to recover current situation. I mean i like the game, and i will continue playing it

[proud acorn]

Like LE exists, I don't need PoE anymore.

[hallow orchid]

that was never recover from that. last season same problems and market never recovered

[fresh plover]

or not, but tbf situation for other classes is even worse we just dont have items on the market cause people only sell meta stuff

[glass rune]

Good lord, thank you to whoever listed an Orians eye for 222k, ven if the affixes were not good. You are a saint

[quiet oxide]

they will most likely just keep banning and see who's moving the most gold and ban those,

[proud acorn]

They did just make a statement.

[hallow orchid]

statement is same empty like most legit player cashbag

[blissful sundial]

can we have fresh server please

[proud acorn]

What else can they say?

[sullen valve]

People cheating in a 3 months season always makes me laugh to be honest

Not like there is a gold owned ladder

[sage sundial]

agree. We ban bad guys, thanks for helping to find this out. Bye

[proud acorn]

What else can they do?

[sage sundial]

well they are game devs, they had same thing few months ago. had time to prepare for this scenario

[hallow orchid]

they had that problem already last season they had time to test some money movements or whaterver out how to detect

[proud acorn]

I like how suddenly everyone is a game dev when things go wrong.

[untold adder]

Last season we voted for some changes. I say we vote again. They make a poll with options and the community decides. Im for a roll back but that needs to happen like rn

[hallow orchid]

if game see 1,5b sales on first day isnt it little hard to detect it ?

[glass rune]

Address how they plan to take action in the future, detail out why this won't happen again and the fix for the exploit. Remove what amount of gold they can from the econamy.

They should be talking about having things like an auto-stop to trading and monitoring and alerting on certain thresholds. I.E. a RR going from 4M to 400M should trigger a system halt to trading on the mG

[sullen valve]

Rofl, it's not a MMO. If I was a dev I wouldn't dedicate more than the minimum ressources over this.

[proud acorn]

Sounds like things one shouldn't make public.

[sage sundial]

but things like we ban bad guys can make public? ofc because its good news right?

[proud acorn]

No because you shouldn't give the bad actors too much info.

[sullen valve]

The only reason I can see to dupe gold and buy the entire market to up prices would be to try and sell gold (RMT).

[glass rune]

You don't have to give exact specefics, but more than "We've banned people and fixed the exploit" with a few nice words, isn't good enough when this has happened twice in a row, and not even a full week into the second cycle.

[untold adder]

There is a fix to it that i saw from escape from tarkov. There is a tax to item value related to price. Every item has a sweetspot for most profit. Once u list an item for a higher value, the tax increases so much that even at a higher selling price u make less peofit

[quiet oxide]

EFT take RMT more seriously because geared players using RMT will literally murder you, the game is all about pvp

[untold adder]

Yh i have 1k hours in eft, but even as a different game the system is smart to bottleneck prices

[sullen valve]

Indeed, it's pretty much pointless to go ballistic over it in Last Epoch

[sage sundial]

Maybe, but question is, how much of total gold it really will drain even if additive tax is applied. Maybe, in a long run - it would help. But who knows, how many more dupe methods will be discovered by the time market is stabilized

[glass rune]

It undermines a style of play that a huge playerbase uses, undermines the confidence in LE fixing these kind of things going forward, and can do series damage to EHG and LEs reputation. It's a pretty serious issue

[quiet oxide]

usually when a dupe exist we know very quickly, you don't pump into the market and have 0 effect, it is incredibly rare to ever have someone find an economic exploit and don't abuse it close to the fullest extent

[untold adder]

It is/was necessary during the exploit. This would stop people from 1. Rmt to buy gold! And 2nd stop prices shooting in the billions on day 5 or whatever day we are

[sage sundial]

but thats probably the best idea i heard over long time of possible fixe's

[icy pilot]

The one thing I'd look at is how the game handles negative overflows. Both this dupe, and the one from last cycle had to do with gold that went into the negatives, becoming positive. Rather than having the negative gold default to 0.

In the first cycle's case it also had to do with trades resulting in a negative overflow, there should be checks in place so if that the players' gold, for some reason, goes even to -1, then it should default to 0 gold to prevent the negative overflows from happening (I'm likely oversimplifying the issue, but both cycles' dupes had to do with negative gold so 🤷)

[untold adder]

Currency needs regulation exactly bc of things like this. This is why we have the feds trying to keep inflation at a stable rate with taxes and interest. So taxes would be a solution, related to item value ofc

[quiet oxide]

i've been looking at G2g, and apparently after the annoucement the gold price just keeps going down, so most likely they're not banning the biggest players

[icy pilot]

Either that, or they are panic selling trying to get it off their hands ASAP since it'd be removed from the buyers accounts anyways.

[proud acorn]

Either way, it's happened, and it's not like it can be unhappened.

[quiet oxide]

usually after an exploit this bad is patched and people are banned, gold price should shoot up big time, seems to not be the case here

[proud acorn]

Who knows what's happening rn?

[glass rune]

Yeah, having two sets of negative integer overflows for the same t hing, there is really no excuse. There should have been a deep dive the first time this happened. EHG honestly needs to shell out the salary for some Principal level engineers or something

[hallow orchid]

theyr is ez fix for market if they make lp4 items max price limit much lower

[untold adder]

Yea. The rmt sellers lowering prices is a big red flag. This speaks louder than their "announcement" of banning people. Apperantly it didnt do much

[proud acorn]

So many experts.

[glass rune]

You can do things to mitigate the issues that has caused, such as tracking the DB transactions and removing gold. There are tons of things that can be done to be fixed

[hallow orchid]

everyone who have more than 100mil cash reset

[sullen valve]

Drama queens.

[quiet oxide]

best way is def to track gold price itself, the money talks

[proud acorn]

Are you saying they should remove gold from people who had nothing to do with this?

[icy pilot]

Lowering prices is either; a) they are completely normal gold sellers and not exploiters, but are worried for the impending ban-hammers because of the gold sellers related to exploits (more eyes on them), or b) there are still some players who benefitted from it (selling items for big gold on the MG) who haven't caught a stray yet.

[quiet oxide]

my speculation would be that they stored max gold in multiple accounts and they were not banned

[sullen valve]

Don't bother trying to speak some sense into some of them. They won't listen anyway.

[quiet oxide]

gold share between char so max you can have per account is 2 bil

[proud acorn]

I do not believe in being unreasonable to people for whatever reason.

[hallow orchid]

max you can have is unlimited cash. you not need take your 1,5b sales out

[proud acorn]

Otherwise I'd be a hypocrite.

[sage sundial]

lol i didnt even knew that. by this way u can stack shitload of gold, literally

[sullen valve]

Most people don't care about any of this. They aren't even R9 yet.

[quiet oxide]

yeah that is true, they can just post trash item and have the duper buy it for 2 billion

[untold adder]

People have different perspectives on issues. Every view is valid to each person. We are just exchanging thoughts. There is no right or wrong if there can be a different perspective

[proud acorn]

I'm r6.

[untold adder]

Im r9

[proud acorn]

I literally just completed normal timelines lol.

[sullen valve]

My point exactly.

[quiet oxide]

so im guessing someone rn is holding an account with billions of completed transactions in their bazaar not banned

[proud acorn]

I'm kinda excited to try and fight every new boss.

[icy pilot]

By the time the average player gets to the level where they can trade a majority of good items on the boards, the economy will have stabilized - no need to pay attention to RWT prices anyways, since those players will likely be banned anyways.

[sage sundial]

now multiply that by several....hundred times

[proud acorn]

Thor once said you need to ban in waves.

Not sure if applies to this situation.

[icy pilot]

That was in regard to botting and specifically bot detection, has nothing to do with RWT.

[sullen valve]

Sadly, they often go hand in hand.

[untold adder]

Yea in d4 it did this season

[icy pilot]

That's in most cases for sellers (since they often have botfarms to generate it), but if you're going for RWT buyers, typically you just "ban-on-sight"/"ban-on-detect" since just from the trade they will have the data they need (sellers details)

[proud acorn]

Like I said I wasn't sure if this is the same sort of situation.

[flint dawn]

still billions of gold in trader's hands. check rmt websites, horrible situation

[bitter zenith]

um is there an item dupe in the game right now? because like.. the last 6 listed unstable cores have the exact same stats on every roll and are all listed for the same price.. wtf?

[untold adder]

stfu.....

[icy pilot]

More likely that they came from the Lightless arbour which can drop exact duplicates of items

[bitter zenith]

Six times in a row?

[signal leaf]

yes up to 8 or somthing

[flint dawn]

yes, it's in the game and DEVS nothing can to do

[icy pilot]

Yes, at the lightless arbour you can get uniques in your chest - then another option can be duplicate a random item or smoething along those lines

[bitter zenith]

So either there is a dupe for items, or someone got .. ridiculously lucky.

[untold adder]

at what price do u see them?

[signal leaf]

well getting like 3-4 of same item is kind common from harbor

[bitter zenith]

5mil each. They all have the same stats.

Unique, non legendary, non legendary potential unstable cores already go for like 1mil + each even with bad rolls. They didnt land a god roll on the %s or anything but just decent.

[untold adder]

and all listed at the same time

[bitter zenith]

yeah

[signal leaf]

there is prob a vid on youtube how to maximize Arbor , Was the best gold Farming last season . and prob still best today

[untold adder]

i think i will be happy if the gold exploit is the only issue this season xd

[proud acorn]

Why would I even soil my browser history with that tripe?

[flint dawn]

if you want to understand do we have "dirty" gold in the game, bro

[proud acorn]

What good does that knowledge do me?

Anyway if an item is duplicated it would have the same stats, right? So that's no evidence of anything illegal right?

[signal leaf]

duped item from arbor have same stats yes . and thets a game mechanism

[proud acorn]

People are just getting paranoid.

So forgetting about the happening for a bit.

Aside from finding items and selling them, what is the best way to get gold?

[stable crescent]

Anyone tell me how i know which monolit drop any item type

[untold adder]

selling set items to vendors, outside of MG. and just playing i guess

[stuck kelp]

raw gold farm via pushigng corruption and speed farming

[proud acorn]

Just playing what exactly?

[untold adder]

this. higher corruption rewards in more gold drops

[proud acorn]

I think the interface for each monolith shows you.

[sullen valve]

Most boring way though, at least for me.

[proud acorn]

Speed farming?

[stuck kelp]

you can also get the blessing that increases the gold drop rate. i agree, this method is bad

[proud acorn]

What other methods can you recommend?

[quiet oxide]

early on it was the soul's dungeon, after that it was lightless for good 0 lp or 2lp peak, after after that it is high corruption pushing because the chest you get at the end if you clear max stability you get alot of gold and some unique

[signal leaf]

well best and fastest way is prob Farming harbor t4

[proud acorn]

You mean Arbor?

[signal leaf]

yes

[proud acorn]

I thought Arbor was to spend gold not to make gold.

[fresh plover]

it was always to make gold, and a lot of it

[proud acorn]

I thought it gave items, not gold. In fact it costs gold right?

[fresh plover]

we are in mg channel man, ofc it costs gold, my point it was always making tons on money for mg people, since you sell both boss loot and chest drops for way more gold than u spent on rolling chests

[glass rune]

Which you then sell for gold. Peak and Core are also popular items to farm there and sell. So it makes it one of the best farming spots

[quiet oxide]

it's very hard to make money with arbor, only strat i know is first roll hemet, then roll triple or double, when the cost exceeds 50-60k per chest you just open and leave

[fresh plover]

just play mage and sell all mana gear, plus fc relics still cost a lot u can get those easily in LA

[signal leaf]

you count on a cost of a few milions ea try

sometimes they even cost like 500k

[proud acorn]

My question wasn't this though....

Dammit I copied the wrong line.

Aside from finding items and selling them, what is the best way to get gold?

[fresh plover]

blasting 1k + corruption

[bitter zenith]

you cant buy and resell items so the best way is pretty much just finding or crafting pieces that you then sell.

[signal leaf]

you dont buy items with low FP on

and the crafting is kind ussles as mg

[glass rune]

diagree with the crafting part, I've taken some almost there items and crafted a bit and then sold them before

[proud acorn]

My question was to ask about things aside from that.

[bitter zenith]

besides, just offering methods for finding things to sell quickly, like blasting high corruption or something, there's nothing outside of this. I think that's by design. if you are circle of fortune you're going to get money really slowly. and the only thing that circle of Fortune players don't have access to is selling the things they've found.

[limber mirage]

how much is radiance boot?

[proud acorn]

I mean thanks I guess, I can't do 1k but sure.
It does count as an answer.

[proud acorn]

Okay so what do CoF people do for gold?

[fresh plover]

all cof people do with gold is buying stash tabs, its irrelivant there

[bitter zenith]

blast high corruption..it has gold find% I think. lol. this game wants you to do monoliths.

[proud acorn]

Ok so what do they do to get it? What ack said?

Man maybe this is off topic but why is it always my questions that are so exhausting to get an answer to?

[bitter zenith]

I mean its already been answered and can only be said so many ways lol

[proud acorn]

Yes but it took a while.

Like it was like many minutes of getting answers to different questions or people treating me like I shouldn't be asking. And not the first time this happens.

[bitter zenith]

thats just the nature of asking questions online,also people are busy playing the game and are responding between alt tabs at best

[proud acorn]

So why do other people get straight answers then?

[bitter zenith]

idk I already answered you "straight" like 3-4 times?

[proud acorn]

Like is there something in the way I ask things?

Now it's happening again. I don't understand why this keeps going wrong. What am I doing wrong?

[bleak berry]

?

[bitter zenith]

well im just playing the game and responding when I can

[proud acorn]

You're fine. You're not under attack. No one is.

[night wolf]

are taxi's still a thing?

[proud acorn]

People who port you to majelka?

[night wolf]

I think so? I'm assuming thats what the taxis are

[proud acorn]

Do you need someone to port you to majelka?

[night wolf]

Can I get there by doing temporal sanctum?

[proud acorn]

Yes.

[night wolf]

can you port me there lol I don't have any keys yet, I only have lightless keys

[proud acorn]

Could also ask for a port to majelka in in-game chat.

[bitter zenith]

so what I do to get money is just be merchants guild, use a loot filter that a trade discord developed, and sell items that my loot filter screams to me about.
I am casually playing and didnt even start until 3? days after season started and I have 8 million gold this way, currently

[proud acorn]

Then you don't even need to do sanctum.

[night wolf]

smart smart, ty

[proud acorn]

I don't do such things but I understand why people ask for it.

[dire onyx]

Have a filter of guild?

[night wolf]

temporal sanctum was easy, nobody wanted to port me

[sullen valve]

That's a pretty basic, but solid way to do it indeed.

[rigid citrus]

https://i.imgur.com/XldoDHa.png wonder how much I should price these for 🤔

I can dupe a copy of them and sell on MG but there's none like these on sale right now

Without health and cast speed I mean

[red kettle]

i read your chat messages 2 people said selling uniques and set items and playing the game. you had 2 awnsers and still were asking thats why people are reacting the way they are. you def should not be worrying about farming gold when you cant do 1k corruption. you should be playing the game doing empowered monos blasting to the pinacle boss. if your trying to "farm gold" your never gonna make progress. Gold comes naturally from playing. or you can cheat like alot of people did.

[small jay]

2lp marinas for 500 mil. Wow

[red kettle]

t7 affixes are like 300k

[flint dawn]

https://ibb.co/GshZ2H8 devs not deleted gold from dupers....

[small jay]

Huh?

[untold adder]

wow... 500m gold costs 5 bucks. they must have trillions of gold

[split bane]

hey everyone, sorry a noob question

what should i buy to get most reputation with least favor to spend

[rigid citrus]

Pretty sure it's directly linked to the amount of favour you spend

Not sure about the ratio, but the more favour you spend, more rep you get

[night wolf]

IIRC, 1 favor = 2 reputation

[small jay]

+4 cthonic fissure costing my house atm

[tranquil lagoon]

weavers will items with red affixes is that from the will or nemesis?

[small jay]

+4 cthonic fissure T7 is 55 million... this a joke?

[spring slate]

this is gold duping

[gaunt maple]

this is...sparta...sparta bein in a jenky ass game

[spring slate]

honestly after the dupe i immediately rerolled a new char for CoF

[small jay]

Ok well... GG then MG... cool.

[gaunt maple]

they should allow favor to transport for MG players who want to transfer to CoF one time honestly

[small jay]

Yep. Remove the MG tags off ALL gear. This is so messed up

[spring slate]

all the gear on my character is from MG, if I changed faction I can't equip anything omegalul, decided it'd be faster to reroll

Funny thing is I got pretty far too? I was working on farming gear for my Abberoth kill, had just finished 10 harbies and was at like 500 corruption, kinda stinks but ah well...

[sick flare]

I'm going to make a new character too. I think I;m done with MG for good. There will always be gold dupes that ruin it.

[scenic pier]

What discord is this?

[bitter zenith]

"the sanctum market"

[scenic pier]

Ty

[shrewd nexus]

When you switch from MG to CoF I think your MG rank stays in case you want to switch back anyways

I started as CoF, fun I'm sure, but I got impatient and wanted my build done after seeing just how many rings and amulets are in the loot pool

[coarse veldt]

i would give u mine for free bc im quitting due to gold dupe, but p2p trade is disabled

[blazing sentinel]

Yeah.. I know people are saying prices will come down again but I'm torn.. some rare quality gloves I would need as an upgrade cost 700k right now.. bummer

[deep prawn]

wow I just heard about the gold duplication

maybe it’s time the developers change it from gold to favor or something, i heard this happened on release and if so that’s really embarrassing

[gaunt tusk]

yep release and 2nd season, kinda feels pointless to play anymore

[gaunt maple]

their announcement was a joke too, zero accountability