💰┃merchants-guild

[signal leaf]

i dident sell anythign the 3 first day of the start but i made 5m gold just from drops/chest

and ye the 3 first day was a hell to play

[humble burrow]

wym to target, like only usefull thing is to go for the uniques and double/tripple them but its not like its guaranteed to make profit

[honest cave]

Ignore uniqs and go for exalteds

[glass narwhal]

got pple use Drought release dagger?

found a lp3

[humble burrow]

nope 50k on market

[glass narwhal]

GG

stupid lp3 on a stupid item.

why not on a JELKOR

[signal leaf]

what can avrage gold drop be from the chest after a mono? 20-30k ?

[glass narwhal]

at 380 mono, got golds like 20-30k

[brazen pebble]

Are prices back yet?

[humble burrow]

no lol

[humble burrow]

just did a run spent 2mil and got t6 trash idk how ehg thinks this is a good gold sink like idc about the 2mil or more idk exactly but i have to run the most boring dungeon over and over again just to get a small dopamin kick when i click on 6 chests to get dissappointed like where are the +4 frostclaws and tbh i wouldnt mind them being not rare and worth nothing at least my build is easier to finish then

the best gold sink would be taxes on market literally any game has taxes

[signal leaf]

ye then you do 100 hit 1 item and you profit

[fleet knot]

are we all ditching MG and going COF for time being? these prices are mental

[humble burrow]

ye but who does 100 runs xD like imagine doing something for several hours and seeing 0 progress only negativ one at least in casino or where ever u can gamble all the time and go next

[signal leaf]

Well there is ppl thet do thet 😄 i got bored after like 10 then i did go fire baston for like 10, but ye this season is over for me so i just play a few houers now and then , but if it was erly i could do thet lol

[humble burrow]

maybe ditch cycle 1 completely whole situation is mental rn my next upgrade doesnt exist on market cause people only list trash t7 int gloves and +4 frost with int is like non existing too cause they be duping all frostclaws get it to 0fp so i cant change anything there + twisted heart lp2 with 8% doesnt exist either xD

[humble burrow]

i dont get it why the devs say ye its only cycle 1 we going for cycle 2 in 2 month anyways

[glass narwhal]

amulet formosos ..LP3..worth?

[humble burrow]

like cool lemme just wait 2-3 month ig

[unique wadi]

CoF supremacy once again proven

[humble burrow]

ye sadly in a multiplayer game the singleplayer faction is superior

but at least flipping items isnt a thing what a win for merchant guild why should i even be able to do something with the market beside dropping items going through thousands of pages just to stat check and sell for some gold for items that are rare and dont even get traded in the merchant market cause the gold isnt worth anything

[formal hearth]

🍿

[broken eagle]

but cof is in no way superior..

[formal hearth]

cof is worse for boss drops but you could argue it's better for non boss drops

[broken eagle]

and idols

and exalteds

[formal hearth]

exalts not really you can just buy the bases you need cheap

it's just non boss drops and idols it's really good for

[broken eagle]

buddy i play with went mg, i went cof.. i play easily twice as much he does. his gear shits on mine big time

of course. its a lot luck dependant.. but i have honestly spent easily 500k favor on chest uniques. i have one 2lp exsan. slam went to hell as too 😄

[signal leaf]

it alwyezss few on the market too thet is boss drops becus ppl keep it for them self if it has lp2+

[formal hearth]

i've had the opposite experiance i've gotten6 1 lp red rings something that would never be possible on mg

ofc they all bricked so i'm still hunting

[slow marsh]

there are litterally pages of them at 2lp for 20 mill 1 day after the market collapsed this is so false its not funny

[signal leaf]

totaly deppends on what item you need . like Twiested hart was alwyes low atm there is 3 at lp 2 and i have never see lp3 or 4 at the market ,,, and if alot get out after the market colapses it was becus ppl could make gold

[broken eagle]

yeah, true.. maybe in the long long run cof actually works out. however i find myself just either logging off or starting an alt after 2 days of no visible upgrade in sight. games too repetitive without the kick of a "oh yeah, lets go"-moment

[slow marsh]

well the reference he used was exang...

[broken eagle]

but mg is hard to judge.. the markets been flawed from the start

[drowsy bear]

I played MG until the gold debacle and I won’t be playing it going forward until at least the API is out. The bazaar blows rn

[slow marsh]

its stablized quite a bit, not to say its not in a bad place but its nothing like it was 24 hours ago

[drowsy bear]

MG as a whole needs a rework

Imo

[slow marsh]

Bazar interface needs work, the faction as a whole feels better than CoF endgame

[drowsy bear]

I started a new warlock to try out CoF

[slow marsh]

every drop has a purposed, every unique could be that unique that you cash out. It makes monos that you dont have targeted items in them not feel like a waste while farming blessings etc

[slow marsh]

i played CoF the first 3 weeks and im never going back even with the market in shambles.

[drowsy bear]

MG for me was using a filter that only showed high value items and you basically just buy your bases/uniques/exalteds

Not very fun either

[broken eagle]

thats what i feel as well.. mg lets you (eventually) progress anywhere in the game, while CoF has a lot of "just waste your time getting it done" moments. especially because other monoliths start at 100 corruption and it takes forever to get to the boss

[signal leaf]

ye we need to nerf gold drops and item drops so items only drops on sunday

[slow marsh]

both are farming at the end of the day, one has a quantitative goal that you can see progress towards achieving the item you want and the other is not. Both are RNG and both are grinding. Its just chose your preference.

[signal leaf]

all Problems is Solved by playing 10h-15h aday

[broken eagle]

wait for farmbots

[humble burrow]

wym not fun? then u have the fun part of walking to the dungeon fail 10 times a row and burn all the hours u farmed before

[formal hearth]

cof giga scales with corr cause of how favor is gained

mg is way better early

[drowsy bear]

Just buying your item isn’t fun lol

[formal hearth]

but cof will scale

[humble burrow]

i wish they would allow players to use their gear from mg in cof and other way around i dont know why they gate keep it its not even a competetive game

[drowsy bear]

I want the dopamine hit of 20 uniques on the ground and finding that 3-4LP

[leaden bay]

CoF doesn't get anywhere near as good as MG does. You can just check leaderboards and see that lol

[humble burrow]

i would swap to cof in a matter of seconds if i could play cof with my mg gear

[slow marsh]

i swapped at 500 corruption /shrug sifting prophecies and piles of gear ill never use to find one thing and then fail a slam and wait 3 days to see it again wasnt fun, hunting trash items to cover resists without access to idols and resistance bases on the bazar wastn fun, dunno not for me dont like not being able to see my progress towards a goal.

[humble burrow]

the leaderboards are useless lol like which kind of gear do they have that u wouldnt get just by pure luck or by being mg only?

[broken eagle]

i d agree that buying gear is not fun. finding it is more fun. in theory.. the game loop of enter monolith, run it as fast as possible, for hours without getting that dopamine kick however is contraproductive. thats why I keep starting new chars, just to try them out and "gear it until they kinda work" 😄

[pearl walrus]

Other benefit of MG is being able to quickly swap to a build to try it

[leaden bay]

All of it. MG players can get gear in a fraction of the time that is magnitudes stronger than COF gets. COF needs absurd luck to get on par with MG players.

[pearl walrus]

but after @amber olive's recent video for COF, I am hesitant to continue grinding COF

seeing all of the uniques drop, almost dying, killing the mob, then more uniques drop all to have to scroll over them to see if they are useful LP or not.

[formal hearth]

it's one of those things to each their own, cof requires a different kind of filter as well like i have to highlight uniques so i don't have to shift through a giant mess everytime i proc

[tiny spire]

Who knows how many of them benefited from early freebees, the crashed markets, items and gold dupes. As an MG from the beginning of the season I wouldn't recommend anyone to go for it at this stage tbh

[humble burrow]

how do u get a 4% crit pris gaze with the 2 stats u want and a +4 frostclaw with 8 int on a good lp2 heart in market either?

[rare kettle]

does trading items directly also costs favor?

[humble burrow]

yes

[rare kettle]

great system all in all

so either farm 1k currption or have 0 favor at all time

same about of favor i assume ?

[humble burrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYEMxxlo how do i aquire any of these with good rolls and the affixes i want in mg lol i need to be rly lucky but getting lp2 with 2 affixes u want is 1 out of 6 lol so i need pretty much 6 lp2 gazes on average with 4% crit which dont even exist

[simple knoll]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,114, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 280, Regen: 15/s
▸ Ward Retention: 650%, Regen: 58/s
▸ Attributes: 29 Str / 16 Dex / 156 Int / 6 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 70% / 76% / 78% / 66% / 62% / 70%
▸ EHP: 2,091 / 1,991 / 2,091 / 2,381 / 1,774 / 1,712 / 1,833

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 223
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (94)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,543)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Runic Invocation (25)
• Frost Claw (27)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Unstable Core
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Strands of Souls
• Blood of the Exile
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Julra's Stardial
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

This build has a guide:

New Broken Runemaster Endgame Build! Melts 2200+ Corruption & 40K+ Ward Mega Tank! by Mattjestic MultiGaming

[unique wadi]

Any moment now EHG will post an announcement saying that the state of the market is an April's Fool's joke and it will get reverted tomorrow

Any second now

[humble burrow]

and thats the average which we all know wont even happen

[grand robin]

Nah, if you got no favor you probably spending it to get rep faster or posting way too much garbage on the MG

[rare kettle]

not rly...

i want forst bite shackles with ward per lost health

that costs 15k favor

a pop

so far 3 failures

[leaden bay]

Before the current mess, you'd just buy it. Because you could before the exploit went rampant and like 95% of the market was bought out.
I literally watched multiple people buy 2LP of Twisted Hearts and Gazes on repeat.

[rare kettle]

and i'm out favor

[humble burrow]

wym before the mess like at release or what?

[leaden bay]

Literally two weeks ago I watched a friend by several 2LP Twisted Hearts in a row.
Over the weekend a massive exploit went public and the entire market is decimated now.

[signal leaf]

Well the build kind got meta 2-3 weeks ago

[rare kettle]

what was the exploit? infinite favor?

[leaden bay]

It was a gold exploit. Favor is kinda easy.

[rare kettle]

is it tho?

[leaden bay]

Yes. It is.

[signal leaf]

yes just play more

[rare kettle]

i need to spend about 20-30 min playing to get 1 try at an item....

sounds like a pointless over complication step

[broken eagle]

try cof.. you can play hours to get 0 tries at an item 😄

[rare kettle]

if i got the gold i should just be able to buy it favor seems like a way to stall the game

ah ye cof sux

[formal hearth]

favor scales with corr

[leaden bay]

Favor was a hopeful way to mitigate RMT. Turns out favor was way too easy to get so it did nothing lmfao

[formal hearth]

you will be getting 100k favor an hour once you get to a decent corr

[rare kettle]

define decent?

1k?

[leaden bay]

I could make 70-80k an hour at 750

[rare kettle]

thats not a decent curr

and its still rediculous amount of time

thats like 5-6 attempts at a 1-2 lp item

[warm plinth]

Are the prices still super inflated due to the people abusing an exploit?

[formal hearth]

favor isn't the bottle neck buddy

[warm plinth]

Red Ring of Atlaria was about 20m before i went on vacation. I got home last night and its 170m for the cheapest without LP?

[signal leaf]

why dident you buy it then ?

[warm plinth]

Because i didn't have 20m and was packing for vacation idly running monos?

[signal leaf]

Well they go up and down alot

a few houers the price can be lowerd by like 100m

well 20m was kind cheep . last time i sold one it was cheepest 40m

[glass narwhal]

20 is consider steal

[warm plinth]

I understand how a player based economy works =.= What i'm saying is it seems like just about everything inflated upwards of nearly 850%.

Its not uncommon for items to jump 150-250% due to balancing changes up or down.

[lament willow]

Frost claw rank 4 relics being over a billion gold is surely completely normal 👍

[glass narwhal]

my weaver gloves 18 sold 24m as well

lmao

joke price

[signal leaf]

Well frostclaw t7 is a Bis stats on a meta build so ye ofc is gona be expensiv,

but you dont rly need more then +2 to start with

[broken eagle]

the whole gold economy has been trashed from the start of the cycle.

[lament willow]

It's not due to natural interactions, it's cause of the gold dupes that existed since the start :p

Sure it's a bis item, but everything is ruined

[signal leaf]

Frost claw t7 costed 1b 3 weeks ago too. as soon as it hited the meta it did go Wroooom

[lament willow]

Yes, cause MG was never not exploited

[broken eagle]

and only found a buyer thanks to exploits and rmt

[signal leaf]

Well alot of legit player can afford it tbh

yes req abiot time investment

[broken eagle]

how would u afford 1b gold? by selling overpriced drops to people that rmt'ed or exploited?

[glass narwhal]

1b gold is damn cheap bro

if u purchase thru rmt

[broken eagle]

i'm cof on all chars, play quite enough, i'm sitting on 7m gold. sure you can get lucky and sell stuff, but there needs to be someone around that can afford your 20m "2lp item"

[signal leaf]

Well if you have done like 2k+ Monos the avrage gold drop will be around 20-25k from the chest,so thet will give around 40m Gold + all drop

and thets on like 300-400 C

[broken eagle]

so you're saying that every dedicated player would be sitting on 1b gold without exploits?

[signal leaf]

Well not all. Becus you need to have knowledge of items thet gona sell.too and not be to greedy early on

[kindred glade]

Without the gold dupes and the insane amount of gold it injected into the economy nobody would ve reached even close to 1b

The numbers don't add up

[broken eagle]

you just said that your "net purchase power" would be 40m.. would you been paying half your total net worth for a 2lp item? i doubt that. your sales would have been way way way lower. you'd not get even close to 1b

[signal leaf]

Thet was just and example from 300-400c

I have got chest drop up to 80k after a mono

[broken eagle]

i just checked the perks of mg.. there is no "increase gold drop rate" or anything i ve seen.. I think you're also overestimating your 40m gold drops

[kindred glade]

And doing 2k monos at high corruption is a feat reserved for power players that are a small number. The majority of players don't get even close to those numbers.

[broken eagle]

but doesn't matter, i don't want to offend you. what i'm trying to say is that overall selling prices even for top tier stuff would be way way lower without any exploits

[signal leaf]

Well go up to like 350c run a few months then comeback and tell me what your average gold from the chest after mono is

[low prawn]

Okay, thats you though, a significant chunk of the playerbase would rather use the MG for gearing up alts, or tinkering on new builds than spend god only knows how long chasingit in CoF 😂

[drowsy bear]

And that’s just them though

[signal leaf]

Well you can build decent charrs for just favor thet can easy go 500-1k

[low prawn]

I cant wait for the devs to tune all the builds back down to sub 4 digit corr like they intended 😂

[kindred glade]

Yea by completely restructuring ward

[low prawn]

They either run with it like it is, and just bring all other builds up to that level, or bring the overperformers in line with what everything is supposed to be

Has nothing to do with ward homie

[kindred glade]

Among other things

[broken eagle]

i wouldnt know, really.. I have pushed a char to 700c, but besides that, i just keep rerolling.. but yeah.. my "gold stash" is 7m right now. didn't go ham on stash slots either. so yeah.. i stay with my oppinion that 1b without outside interference would be unaffordable for anyone in the game 😄 but it doesnt really matter. have a nice day

[pearl walrus]

all ward is gonna get is a heavier decay after a certain point

that's really it lol

[low prawn]

^

Wards not the fundamental issue anyways

[signal leaf]

Same to you

[pearl walrus]

the fundemental issue w/ some builds being able to push the way it does is likely because of how you can stack multipliers fairly heavily.

[drowsy bear]

A significant chunk of the player base isn’t home brewing builds. They are buying meta crap off the MG

[pearl walrus]

which im all for having player agency, but when the range of how builds perform is like 300C-3000C there's a BIT of a problem.

[low prawn]

Correct, nail on the head here bruv

[humble burrow]

which content would be left if they rly balance everything that the cap would be like 500 corruption?

[lament willow]

Reworking old talents shouldn't be too hard

[pearl walrus]

there should be no cap to corruption

but you should DEFINITELY not be able to grind to 3k

[low prawn]

Its an ARPG. Homebrewing is ingrained in its DNA, thinking a sizeable chunk of players arent homebrewing is wild, especially since most of this games playerbase isnt even casuals, but people thatve played other ARPGs in the past

[pearl walrus]

that's just a bit ridiculous and it's that which also fuels the market prices.

[low prawn]

Shouldnt be able to get past 1200 imo

1200 should be pinnacle

[pearl walrus]

devs already stated that they would look into scenarios where builds are getting beyond 4 digit corruptions

[low prawn]

^^^^^^^

[mild forge]

the problem is that even in non uber 3000corruption builds, some items are nice to have, like red ring for example and at the moment everything is either overpriced, or non existent.

[humble burrow]

ok but whats then imagine 1k corrup cap what u doing then? which number do u see going up instead and how do u spend ur time in the game then, idk much about arpgs but if arpgs are just designed for like 300h then idk might not be the genre for me

[drowsy bear]

I’d put money on it that 80% of the people in monoliths are playing a build they found on maxroll or lastepochtools

[pearl walrus]

the number can freely go up, it depends on your gear. but there should come a point where the game is just too hard for a given class

[mild forge]

I mean yeah but like, I had a stupid idea about a spark charge explosive trap build, and turns out there's already a video about it XD so maybe we're reaching a saturation on "new builds"

[pearl walrus]

if we end up w/ class parity where all specs are within 1% of each other, we will end up w/ another Diablo 3.

and that is unfortunately not healthy.

ARPGs are meant to have builds that are bad and builds that are best

[low prawn]

we dont need 1% parity, we need 10% parity or so

[pearl walrus]

but if the worst builds are doing 10% of the difficult that the best builds are, there is inherently a problem

we have 10% now

lmao

[low prawn]

doooo we though?

[pearl walrus]

300C is 10% of some of the best builds out there

im talking in terms of difficulty

[humble burrow]

which corruption u playing on rn @pearl walrus if i may ask

[low prawn]

ah you have the numbers flipped carry on

Ex doesnt push 😂

[pearl walrus]

I've stuck around 600ish. I don't push.

[low prawn]

pushing beyond 600 has no real true value anyways

[pearl walrus]

no point to push beyond 600-1k imo anyway.

[low prawn]

^

[pearl walrus]

all it does is up the rarity a bit, not the quality.

[humble burrow]

ok i mean thats totally fine but what else u doing then in the game like i just try to find something to waste my time with but the more i think bout it the more pointless it becomes lol

[pearl walrus]

Theorycrafting builds.

mostly.

[signal leaf]

More gold more loot at higher corruption

[low prawn]

we theorycraft.

We play ne builds.

its all em and Ex do

me*

[pearl walrus]

i have no desire to do arena and i have no desire to push turbo corruption in it's current design

[low prawn]

^^^^^

[pearl walrus]

for me to appropriately test builds the way i like to, i need to sit around 600ish anyway.

[low prawn]

there is really zero reason to turbo push, all you get is more trash loot

[mild forge]

yeah but wouldnt you like to see where your skills/build can take you?

[limpid aurora]

arpgs go in cycles. play till you get bored, load up a diff game. rinse repeat

[low prawn]

and ep33n points i guess

[pearl walrus]

and even then, i've brought my corruption down for a few builds to 300-500 just to see if they function based on the Devs "healthy build line"

[low prawn]

If it can do 300-500 corr, it doesnt need to push any higher/

From the devs themselves

hold on let me get you the clip

[humble burrow]

ye saw that statement too

[low prawn]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedPowerfulPeppermintJKanStyle-bDkCsKnd1dH0JAbY

[humble burrow]

but i feel like it doesnt make sense

[pearl walrus]

Brother, those days are behind me lmao. I've turbo pushed PVP ladders and speedran WoW classic since it launched in 2019. I'm big chilling with being competitive anymore lol.

[low prawn]

direct from EHGs mouth

[low prawn]

THIS

[signal leaf]

Well last dev talk Mike did say higher corrupt gives more loot

[pearl walrus]

again quantity =/= quality

[low prawn]

^

[mild forge]

but it can push. I'm not saying I disagree with you, just that you know some people wanna try new things and theorycraft and some wanna just try to reach a limit, or both.

[broken eagle]

more quantity higher chances for quality 😄

[signal leaf]

Yeep

[pearl walrus]

not always true.

[low prawn]

The limits supposed to be sub 4 digits my man

[pearl walrus]

all the corruption pushing does for you

is increase rarity

[mild forge]

yeah, but they arent 😛

[low prawn]

They will be

[pearl walrus]

so the useless rare drops are replaced w/ useless exalted drops kek

[low prawn]

EHGs already hinting at it

[mild forge]

well, when they become, thumbs up!

[pearl walrus]

and then the 0 LP uniques are sometimes replaced w/ 1 LP uniques or useless 3 LP uniques like the claw lmao

[low prawn]

Between that stream / clip and some other statements weve gotten, its inherently obvious they dont want us going past 1k

[broken eagle]

i just wish melee (true melee) wasnt so horrible to play 😄

[pearl walrus]

NOW THIS i can get onboard with lmfao

i played spellblade for the first 200 hours and it was

miserable.

[mild forge]

I mean of course, and that's on you, but thats not the case about everyone

[low prawn]

oi oi, same

[broken eagle]

its frustrating.. you have leech for sustain... oh.. an aoe.. gotta move.. while you move, no sustain.. and those 3 little guys 2 screens away just obliterate you

[pearl walrus]

yeah but your question was aimed at me 😛

lol

corruption has no leaderboard anyway.

[low prawn]

^

[pearl walrus]

when it has a leaderboard then it'll matter more balance wise.

[mild forge]

no it was more of a rhetorical one

[low prawn]

Its literalyl just ep33n points with no leaderboard

and we all know how useless those are

[pearl walrus]

didn't translate that well over text, so fair lol

[mild forge]

you dont need a leaderboard

[mild forge]

might have been my bad as well XD

[pearl walrus]

Esports and content creation kind of ruined competitive anything tbch

[low prawn]

yes... yes you kinda do, otherwise there is no real tangible reason to try and be better than everyone else 😂

[broken eagle]

no, it ruined fun 😄

[pearl walrus]

kinda same diffy

but yeah

all of this to say that MG enables playing the game how you wanna play it imo, same as COF

cof enables those that like dopamine hits from good drops/good crafts.

[mild forge]

just push yourself for yourself? why must there be a consolation prize/afirmation, anywhere

[pearl walrus]

MG enables dopamine hits from insane drops that will sell for value and fund your build(s)

[low prawn]

Because all it takes is some guy comin in and saying " yeah i have this build thats done 3k corr " and boom, you now have to beat that, and since theres no LB, you dont know if hes speaking truth, or lies. So pushing is pointless

[mild forge]

take a screen capture and frame it

[low prawn]

P R E A C H

[pearl walrus]

COF gave me some sick dopamine hits this weekend tho.

i was hitting some items/crafts that were nuts

[low prawn]

like the 3lp twisted i sold back when they were only uhh

crap

ex, what was it ?

70m?

[mild forge]

cof best thing is when you get something good and then dj khaled says "AND ANOTHA ONE"

[low prawn]

70m went a long way when i sold that

[broken eagle]

and then u miss both slams.. and can wait for the next dopamine hit

[mild forge]

oof

[unique wadi]

Can't wait to spend 1.5B for an item.

[broken eagle]

just find something you can sell for 1.5b, then its like a trade

[unique wadi]

Ofc

People thinking that the market is done can't even farm to sell items

[signal leaf]

ithink alot of problem is thet ppl dont know how to geaR down a meta build too atm , they just see abuild thet have this item Slamed etc .

[unique wadi]

Yeah

[signal leaf]

and alot of Content ctrator dont rly say how

like a 2lp twisted hartt with like t7int and t7 frostclaw

and most show of build they dont even ahve the gear them, self they just crate the ultimate version of it in a build planer

[unique wadi]

Anyway ,market to regulate itself in maximum 1 week.Great time to be a seller rn as you will be able to buy alot of items for cheap in 1 week

[pearl walrus]

content creators are here for clicks and not to make your experience more enjoyable

[signal leaf]

Well some of them are better then other tbh

[pearl walrus]

in times like these where meta builds are not accessible, it opens a whole new game up which content creators just won't touch. theyll just farm clicks for the scenario at hand.

i mean yeah

that's always the case

[signal leaf]

thets why i never rly check out majestic:P

[pearl walrus]

but vast majority don't care that the MG has bunch of other items you can use to do maybe a jenk build or offmeta

[signal leaf]

i Tryed the Expov Balista day befor they fixed it just to see the fuss, Cant rly say it was fun . Spend 300m on gear played 10 min then loged off lol

[pearl walrus]

lmao yeah

i spent a good like

150m into a build that i think wil lbe BETTER next cycle

but it already cleared 600C

[low prawn]

between me and you we have over like 3 b in gear yeah
? @pearl walrus

[signal leaf]

but sure ppl thet Can sit and do thet to 5-8k corrupt . hat of to them for investing there time on somthign like thet

[pearl walrus]

no lol

maybe like 1b or so

in gear

[low prawn]

4lp ladle, 4lp peak buncha the stuff you have

[pearl walrus]

okay 4 lp ladle yeah

that's fair

[signal leaf]

what cost a 4 Lp ladel now ?

[pearl walrus]

it was 1.5 before the issues

lmao

[low prawn]

no

[pearl walrus]

it was still 1.5 after

[low prawn]

ladles pre issue were 900m for a 4lp

we had this convo

[solar oracle]

depends on the rolls

[low prawn]

back when i got iyt

[signal leaf]

First week day 3 it was like 40m gold lol

[solar oracle]

1-1.5b

[low prawn]

no, it did not

good rolls were 900m

higher rolls were at most 1.1

[broken eagle]

first week? 😄

[signal leaf]

ye was only 40m then

did buy rev void for 1m too day 2

[low prawn]

a week ago. a week ago 4lps ranged 900-1.1

which imo, is their value

unless garbo roll

garbo roll = 6-700

[signal leaf]

ye but 6 weeks ago eavrything was cheep lol comperd to now lol

[broken eagle]

how much is a 0lp wraithlord helmet? because thats all you need

[signal leaf]

100k

[solar oracle]

0lp uniques cost almost nothing xD

[signal leaf]

but lp1 is cheeper lol

[broken eagle]

so yeah.. i don't read up guides or whatever. I was running around using a necro archmage with 2 shadows to buff it as it was doing the job for me. found the helm per chance and thought i'd give it a try. I just swapped skele mages for wraith, put the helmet on and my dmg just went up 5x

its embarassing, but i didn't figure out I could boost it further with zombies and worms until i was bored with the build and actually read about it

it was good enough to reach 700c

still no idea why it does 5x the dmg of an archmage.. even without feeding it anything, using the same buffs

[dry halo]

Guys I just realized I can sell all of my 0LP uniques and free up like 13 stashes and just buy the unique from market for 0g when I need it

[dense flame]

You picked up 3 stashes of 0lps? Lol

[dry halo]

And I'm selling to the merchant lady for 500g. Ez money

I was doing this thing where I thought it would be nice to have at least 1 of every type of unique

[dense flame]

Fair enough

I do the same but with at least 1 lp

[dry halo]

I keep 0LP until I find 1lp, and I go up until i can sell it on market lol

[round sun]

I found a god roll peak of the mountain with 4 LP any idea what i can sell it for?

[humble burrow]

how many attributes +?

[low prawn]

ifs its not maxed out on All attribs and crit, its not a god roll

[unique wadi]

1.5B

[low prawn]

^ no.

Markets already come back down / coming back down.

[humble burrow]

xD 1,5b

[unique wadi]

Its 4lp

1.5B

[humble burrow]

so?

[low prawn]

so what?

[unique wadi]

People with money will buy it

[humble burrow]

no

[unique wadi]

Just take advantage of them

[humble burrow]

if its not +5 no one will prob buy it

[low prawn]

4lp ladles are back down rn too, and they are more in demand than 4lp peaks 😂

[low prawn]

for 1.5b, yeah hell no

[formal hearth]

throw it up for 1.5b and if it doesn't sell in a couple days drop it a bit

you shouldn't be in a rush to sell it

[unique wadi]

This

[humble burrow]

it would be also rly cool to say what kind of stats it has and not just good rolls xD

[formal hearth]

doesn't matter honestly a 4lp item throw it up for 1.5b and see what happens

[unique wadi]

Yep

[low prawn]

just beacuse its a 4lp does not automatically = gold cap./

Yall high

[unique wadi]

It does when people have 10B+ gold

[formal hearth]

no but lowballing yourself in a giga inflated market for a quick sale is stupid as hell

[unique wadi]

Yep

[low prawn]

giga inflated? Prices are comnig down

[humble burrow]

was about to say

[formal hearth]

did they magically rip the gold out of the market?

didn't think so

[humble burrow]

lp4 peak of mountain isnt even that rare tbh compared to other lp4 items that arent there for 1,5b

[formal hearth]

again it's not a quick sell item

if he reposts it a few times b4 he gets a sale that's fine

it's about getting the most possible not selling quick

[low prawn]

Yall are the exact type of people that are going to be responsible for the market healing slow as a snail.

[unique wadi]

Nah,if you don't abuse the people that have 10B+ gold , you are missing out

[formal hearth]

that's how you sold items even b4 the dupe you act like reposting items wasn't a stndard practice

[low prawn]

4lp peaks are at most unless +5 an 800 mil item. + 5 with 280% crit went for a bil.

[formal hearth]

then the market will dictate that

by him reposting it

this isn't rocket science

[low prawn]

The market has dictated that. The two currently posted arent going to sell.

[formal hearth]

but there isn't a reason not to start high and go low b/c the only loss is favor

[broken eagle]

if i was working at EHG i d just set everyone with > 40m gold to 40m gold. burn me at the stake 😄

[formal hearth]

yeah there is a reason you don't

[unique wadi]

Good thing you don't work at EHG

[formal hearth]

dumb ideas like that

like i'm at 200m as cof

[hardy lance]

only cof?

no alt toons in MG?

[formal hearth]

i have a mg void knight i played week one

but week one gold isn't 200m

[hardy lance]

even peeps I know pushing 2k corruption in CoF don't have that kind of money

[broken eagle]

is the market more likely to heal with everyone having a clean start or leaving the people with billions of gold sit around?

[hardy lance]

so you have like, 1 tab and never visited arbor?

[pearl walrus]

at the end of the day the market is gonna heal but if ppl keep posting items deliberately at 1.5b when they aren't worth that, they are no better than those that chose to exploit

just exploiting it in a different medium

[tiny spire]

idk whats wrong but i just got banned?!?!

[low prawn]

p r e a c h

[pearl walrus]

fr?

[low prawn]

banned from?

[broken eagle]

define worth.. if u have 200b, then 1.5b is nothing to you

[pearl walrus]

i get your statement, but you are missing my point lol

[unique wadi]

Just now?

[tiny spire]

yes

my account got susspended

[pearl walrus]

ppl in general talking about being banned

hah

[unique wadi]

Oh boy so far 3 people got banned

[formal hearth]

yall have a weird idea of how a free market works

[unique wadi]

I think the ban hammer is coming down

[broken eagle]

i do get your point.. you re asking for "reasonable" prices, when theres people drowning in money. you can see that in real life too.. like.. a house by the beach.. only 1m? that would be fair, but why would you, if someone would pay 100m for it?

[low prawn]

the people " drowning in money " arent buying gear dude. They are selling the gold

[broken eagle]

which leads to the same outcome. if u have a well paid job and just bought 200m gold for a couple $ because how easy it was to create, you d easily pay 1.5b for something you want

deflation will only happen with less gold in the economy

[low prawn]

deflation is alrady happening dude

2lp exsangs are back down to 50m.

3lp drags back down to between 10-100m depending on roll

enigmas are down

hearts are down and stock is returning

[broken eagle]

then everythings great.. wonder why all other people are complaining

[humble burrow]

well because a day ago it wasnt fine but if the market recovers its fine ig

[hardy lance]

@broken eagle i see people here that said that unless a rollback happened they would leave... but I guess they didn't leave after all

seems like with enough time things will go back to "normal" in MG -- which has generally always been inflated prices anyways

[broken eagle]

how would you even roll back? theres the cof people that farmed for hours and hours.. it would hurt them too

[unique wadi]

People are starting to get banned

[hardy lance]

I made that argument too -- they said I was a troll 🙂

that it didn't matter

etc etc

[formal hearth]

a rollback was only an option within the first few hours

after that it was never happening

[humble burrow]

i mean i also cant think its that hard like u just have to see who had negativ balance no?

[willow glen]

i got banned to T_T many poeple got banned to??

[hardy lance]

a rollback would have been a bad idea no matter when.

[humble burrow]

or somehow like that the exploit work i think

[unique wadi]

There is no way EHG doesn't have a system to detect where the gold comes from

[broken eagle]

that gold went somewhere, no?

[unique wadi]

How much gold did you have?

[formal hearth]

eh if it was within the first 2-3 hours it wouldn't have been awful

[indigo grail]

as stated in the other channels, if you were banned, fill out a support ticket thru the website

!support

[lusty heron]

Anything we can help with? We've support articles and a contact form at https://support.lastepoch.com/.

[willow glen]

idk know i didnt check 1 b maybe

[hardy lance]

Yes it would have. A rollback would have still impacted everyone that spent the previous day farming for hours and hours in CoF.

[broken eagle]

so.. we re under each other.. friends.. what did you do? 😄

[hardy lance]

it's insanely egotistical to ignore all those players -- or to ruin their gaming experience because yours was messed up for a day or two as well

[willow glen]

im not dupe im not cheating idk why i got banned T_T

[broken eagle]

did i mention we're friends? 🙂 you can tell the truth T_T

[formal hearth]

a roll back is never pretty but as far as rollbacks go within the first 2-3 hours the benefit could outweigh the negative

[hardy lance]

To you.

Back to the point I made above

[willow glen]

@broken eagle100% telling the truth im not cheating and dupe

[pearl walrus]

you realize "within the first 2-3 hours" was at like 1-2 AM EST on a weekend right?

[broken eagle]

you mean.. ignore the fact its been likely been abused for weeks and added billions and billions of gold into the economy?

[formal hearth]

that's a different issue i'm talking about all the items on the ah that got ripped that would be the benefit

[humble burrow]

actually 4 days ago i sold a +4 smite for 700mil guess imma get banned soon xD but it would be actually stupid if i get punished for selling smth that someone who exploitet bought it but lets pretend the people who are alrdy banned didnt exploit on their own then they sold smth to someone who abused it

[fast fjord]

nice ban

[hardy lance]

Right, screw all the players in CoF that spent the previous day farming. You want to make sure YOUR gaming experience is OK and you can buy the items you want in the AH. But even if they spent the previous day farming and maybe finally landed the item they needed, it doesn't matter. Gets yours, screw them, yes?

[formal hearth]

i say that as a cof player who it would hurt

[hardy lance]

Suuuuuure

[humble burrow]

😢 yep

[broken eagle]

i don't think you will be banned. and if u are, its a honest mistake that will likely be reverted. however. I think you are aware that you benefitted from the exploit, even if indirectly

[humble burrow]

i mean i benefited but not rly since prices were also high af there xD

[formal hearth]

if you didn't instantly block me for disagree i'de show you but here we are

[humble burrow]

i guess now im benefiting cause i didnt spent anything

[hardy lance]

You're not blocked

🤷‍♂️

@broken eagle -- pure speculation on my side, but i think too many people benefitted from the gold duping by just selling into the AH -- a lot not on purpose

[broken eagle]

yeah, well, you re right.. u had to "pay" inflated prices.. the ones that weren't lucky to get the drop you got, just got shafted. 😄 they won't be able to actually buy anything

[hardy lance]

there's too much "tainted" gold in circulation for everyone to be clean - so i dont think bans would be because of that

[pearl walrus]

yeah i think if EHG is targeting specific patterns of sales on the AH after the exploit went live, then that is gonna cook a lot of false bans up

[broken eagle]

oh no doubt.. as a seller I wouldn't be worried at all of getting banned.. you just play the market..

[formal hearth]

you can check in showcase then

[hardy lance]

@formal hearth #👑┃item-showcase message that doesn't mean much.... players can have MG and CoF level 10

i don't get what that's supposed to prove

[humble burrow]

but there is also nothing i could spend it on rn so i prob need to wait till market recovers and then im rly rich? but that wouldnt make sense tbh like i have 1,1b when everything is cheap then i would be the one destroying the market again when everything is bak to "normal"

[hardy lance]

but no one in the CoF channel would have been happy with a rollback

[formal hearth]

oh i wouldn't have been happy

[hardy lance]

i only do CoF and a rollback would have been devastating

[pearl walrus]

i 100% would be worried a tad lmao

[broken eagle]

thats why I said before that as EHG employee I would cut everyone's gold above a specific treshold to a specific amount. call it a soft reset if u like. i'm aware a lot of people felt unfairly treated because they "legitidly got 1b gold". however.. they really didnt

[hardy lance]

the day before the dupe stuff was announced, I had landed LP3 ladle (which i havent seen since) along with a lot of other stuff needed for my build

LP1 oceareon, and other things like that

just farming

[humble burrow]

i mean either that or add a proper gold sink asap

otherwise it will repeat

[pearl walrus]

mike mentioned on stream that he would like to see arbor become a bigger sink

[crisp swallow]

the whole market needs a complete overhaul to have any credibility going forward

arbor is a meme

[formal hearth]

and?

[crisp swallow]

you will hit massive inflation 10 times out of 10

[hardy lance]

#💰┃merchants-guild message

[humble burrow]

i mean they need to rework arbor for that im never going to arbor again if i have to do 2 mazes just to get bad items and to drop something good do 100 runs

[hardy lance]

Many other players like that as well -- undoing all that effort to "relist" items in the AH for MG players would completely alienate all the CoF players that did stuff like this

[broken eagle]

u have to 2 mazes for every slam as well 😄

[hardy lance]

the distro of players is like 50/50

[humble burrow]

ye i also absolutely hate that

[broken eagle]

yeah the dungeons are absolutely horrible

mazes are a waste of time when theres absolutely no point killing the mobs

[pearl walrus]

are you too silly to realize that this is a smaller company and game compared to everything else we have played and that reacting to a bug that fast over a weekend/holiday weekend, live service or not, is completely not feasible? Come on.

[humble burrow]

like i can tolerate one of 2 things either its anyways completly unfair to fail 1 out of 4 10 times but not having to do the runs over and over or make it actually worth make me have a better chance when i do the dungeon

[humble burrow]

dunno mate i play league and they arent rly fast at reacting either xD

[pearl walrus]

HAH

that's because Riot doesn't believe in hot fixes

[clear cipher]

What would ya'll put a Strong Mind LP3 for?

[broken eagle]

at the end of the day, it's a season.. whatever you do will be pointless at some point 😄

[pearl walrus]

they believe in just shutting off the problem and patching it the following week lol

[formal hearth]

I feel like you have misunderstood everything I have said here, you act like I'm saying they should have and that there at fault for not all I'm saying is that was the timeframe where a rollback was feasible... you're something else man.

[humble burrow]

they also dont believe in balancing :p

[pearl walrus]

also a fact

[humble burrow]

and im like 99% sure they also dont even believe in their own game at this point xD

[pearl walrus]

no i'm just merely saying that saying they really should've done a rollback within 2-3 hours of it happening is just not feasible. pretty much it.

[unique wadi]

You mean new released champions shouldn't be OP and take over the game?

Blasphemy

[humble burrow]

:p

[pearl walrus]

i still believe they do that to push sales

name one champion released that wasn't inherently OP at launch

lol

[clear cipher]

lmao, just league talk in LE discord cool

[unique wadi]

They do,they themselves said so

[crisp swallow]

like LE with newer classes or masteries

F in chat for lich

[pearl walrus]

TRUE

[formal hearth]

all about them skin sales

[hardy lance]

so @formal hearth are all the items you have equiped CoF tagged?

I'm curious

[formal hearth]

all but 2

[hardy lance]

That would have been better to show than just level 10

but still, you do understand the point i was making right?

[thick shore]

did they say anything about what happened yet or just going to pretend it didnt happen

[unique wadi]

Looks like people are starting to get banned

[indigo grail]

nothing public/official yet.

[unique wadi]

So action is being taken

[quaint sandal]

We will hear about it after they're done taking their action.

[crisp swallow]

byebye exploiters you wont be missed 🙏

[fresh plover]

oh really? was someone posting crying tirades abt getting banned?

[unique wadi]

Have been like 10 people saying they got banned in the last 30 min so definitely not a coincidence

[fresh plover]

hahahaah where? in disc?

[broken eagle]

sounds like a hoax, wouldn't fix anything really

[unique wadi]

General

[fresh plover]

[outer wind]

I hope they ban everyone who had their items bought for the gold cap

[hardy lance]

#💬┃general

I think it's probably RMTers

or people that exploited or somehow broke ToS by doing online mods

[hardy lance]

Ehhhhh -- is there a diff between selling into gold cap and selling for less than gold cap if the buyer is using duped gold and both amounts are equally insane?

like, selling for a billion to me also seems equally crazy, but unless the person was exploiting or RMTing they're just playing the game in a hyper inflated market

[peak depot]

Yeah banning people who received this gold through bazaar sales is a wild take lol. You dont even need to know what was happening to see something you picked up is worth a lot and list it at the same price.

[fast fjord]

yes

[fast fjord]

So we don't know yet which of these is the official practice

[indigo grail]

stop with the guessing on who/what/why people are getting banned please. speculating isnt doing any good

[hardy lance]

🫡

Will do. Sorry!

[broken eagle]

fact is, noone got banned 😄

there's no way there would be no post on reddit if there was a ban wave

[crisp swallow]

puts on tinfoil hat this is just the gold dupers testing the waters for possible retaliation

i hate when im right

[unique wadi]

Reddit is heavily moderated

[broken eagle]

why would they delete a post with someone saying he was banned?

[plush urchin]

how much is a 1 lp ocearon in legacy - just found 1

[frail thistle]

Did they fix mg yet

[unique wadi]

They don't even allow talks about the market on reddit

[unique wadi]

Nein

[frail thistle]

Why not

[crisp swallow]

lmaoooo

very cringe and very unbased

im starting to see slight glimpses of good old blizzard activision

not good

[unique wadi]

Anyway,nerf CoF

[crisp swallow]

but then again having surveys leading the direction of the game is... yeeeeeeah

[hardy lance]

As is tradition

[broken eagle]

theres several posts about "how to move forward after the exploit went public".

[crisp swallow]

if you dont listen to meta pushers / cutting edge players you are bound to have a stale game

[steep orbit]

i hear there’s a ban wave for the cheaters

rejoice

[crisp swallow]

lmao

[broken eagle]

late to the game.. and wrong

[hardy lance]

Mods asked us to refrain from speculating, i would probably not discuss that until some announcement is made

[unique wadi]

Where?I don't see any

[broken eagle]

maybe they ve been deleted. they were all over the place yesterday

[unique wadi]

No posts as such

[steep orbit]

what..?

[unique wadi]

Yes yesterday there were market posts talking about the prices but now there are 0

[broken eagle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1bryutv/how_do_we_move_forward_in_mg/

that as example

[broken eagle]

banwave was very likely a hoax and a mod overreacting

[unique wadi]

That's 2 days ago

[pearl walrus]

10th man rule

if something the first 9 men say is true then there has to be 1 person to prove it's false.

lol

[broken eagle]

i mean.. do you think the chats would be so quiet if there would have been a banwave?

[crisp swallow]

i stand by my statement here

[frail thistle]

Why would we ever listen to the mods? We the people have the power

[unique wadi]

Please stop speculating

[crisp swallow]

ok nerf cof

[broken eagle]

it was like 3-4 people saying they were banned.. at the same time.. then.. nothing... ever again

[indigo grail]

#💰┃merchants-guild message

[frail thistle]

Please don’t tell me what to do this is america

[pearl walrus]

no no i was arguing your point as valid

LOL

[woeful ferry]

this man gets it

[broken eagle]

if there was a ban wave, reddit would be on fire

[steep orbit]

average redditor

was my favourite subreddit

[broken eagle]

don't even have an account but yeah, for a pulse check its great

[unique wadi]

No speculation please

[broken eagle]

people love to show off, if they got good drops they post it there. if they got banned "for no reason" they most likely post it there

[steep orbit]

i’m speculating all i want

[crisp swallow]

MODS

[unique wadi]

Oh no no no

[crisp swallow]

hes speculating

[broken eagle]

let me guess? america as well? 😄

[pearl walrus]

a person who types "favourite" is def not from the US

js

[broken eagle]

true.. its uk 😄

[steep orbit]

eww no

[pearl walrus]

LOL

see? haha

[steep orbit]

don’t ever call me that

[broken eagle]

what? american?

[steep orbit]

the A word

[unique wadi]

Abigail?

[steep orbit]

i’m a 40 year old man

[unique wadi]

Hmm

[broken eagle]

arent we all?

[crisp swallow]

speculation

[broken eagle]

good thing, in 2024 you can be whatever you want and u feel like

we re tolerant

[steep orbit]

i’m not

tolerant

[hardy lance]

😂

[woeful ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-and-here-we-go-here-it-goes-gif-15244908

[indigo grail]

and thats enough of that

[crisp swallow]

that was purely speculative

[indigo grail]

game chat please

[woeful ferry]

that was free game

[unique wadi]

This chat died so fast

[frail thistle]

I’m just busy praying for everyone who might have gotten banned

[crisp swallow]

Im speculating elsewhere

[unique wadi]

Please stop

[oak elk]

Neva stap

Never Give up

[low prawn]

yeah i was saying that earlier. the speculation needs to stop as there are no official statements anywhere yet

[shrewd crescent]

Yeah it's hard to figure out what's going on

A player who just bought the game 2 hours ago also got hit by the ban

He's posting about it in #💬┃general

[low prawn]

who?

[shrewd crescent]

#💬┃general message

[dark trellis]

what do u guys think it would be a minimum player base in order to maintain a healthy and consistent item economy throughout a cycle for MG?
Just a bit concerned since i love trading but i see the population declining every week

[oak elk]

The game population was always gonna go down.

the Eco will stay healthy since 90% of the traders are the 1%'s

Everyone else is just Buying.

or selling Low Tier stuff.

Just Prices are ass due to recent issue started on Friday

[ebon yarrow]

it's nice finding that one unique you sell for half a bil and then you can buy all the 1-2 mill decent exalted and uniques 😄

[shrewd crescent]

I'm going to hold my items until they figure out this banwave

[ebon yarrow]

why would you, if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't get banned 😉

[shrewd crescent]

I don't think that 2 hour gameplay dude did anything wrong and he got banned

[woeful ferry]

Not sure I even believe that kinda stuff

[shrewd crescent]

I just don't want to risk getting randomly suspended because of a buyer using duped gold

[unique wadi]

Allegedly

[oak elk]

Idk believe anything anyone anybody says as a lie

unless they can prove it

Cuz yeah. Alot of people out there that wanna throw shade to throw shade

[ebon yarrow]

idk man, check the market, if you are selling something obscure for an absurd amount of money and it gets sold that might be a bit sus

but if you're selling items for what they are worth i see no issues

[pearl walrus]

i mean tbf, if there are none up, the first instinct for a person is to "set the market"

so

that's the only excusable action

[ebon yarrow]

you have a point sure

[woeful ferry]

And everything that was priced at gold cap sold 2 days ago, probably thousands of items.

[ebon yarrow]

oh wow

huh

been too busy actually enjoying the game too look into any of that really 😄

been floating less then a million gold until i got a couple good items that sold

[pearl walrus]

Yeah I mention it cause that was literally me on saturday lmao. I had some 2 LP suloron's and saw there were none on bazaar, so i put em up for 1b assuming they were as rare as LET says they are lol.

they sold instantly and i was like "huh"

and then i found out like 10 mins later what was going on

[ebon yarrow]

did you get banned?

[pearl walrus]

nope.

[ebon yarrow]

well there you go

done nothing wrong

not banned

[pearl walrus]

precisely.

but i am also not dumb and i immediately stopped using bazaar lmfao

[ebon yarrow]

xD

[pearl walrus]

those that continued to use it are v likely getting caught up in this

[ebon yarrow]

that's so dumb

[dark trellis]

why should someone get banned for selling items lol

[ebon yarrow]

rmt

[low prawn]

thats 100% bait, and or an alt.

[dark trellis]

yeah correct but when u put something that is indeed an expensive/rare item there is no reason to get banned.
If you sell a blue item for 1b yes thats shady ofc but when u put something rare and according to the current market prices/or setting the market price as Ex did, then no its totally fine

[ebon yarrow]

agreed

[dark trellis]

do you guys do trades in here or is this channel just for discussion?

[pearl walrus]

discussion

[dark trellis]

ok understood, how come there is no trading channel

[pearl walrus]

cause they do not want to deal w/ that headache and because there is an AH style market

[dark trellis]

i see

[pearl walrus]

nah. think it's genuine.

they could be banning people and noting IPs to potentially ban folks that try to subvert bans and it's possible this dude's IP is getting picked up so it got targeted

[unique wadi]

No way they ban IPs

[pearl walrus]

not saying they are banning IPs

but

[unique wadi]

That wouldn't be wise at all

[pearl walrus]

they could be banning accts that pop up on an IP that theyve banned a previous acct

i've factually had this happen when i lived w/ my brother when i was younger lol

had an acct of his get banned then mine got hit a few days later

[unique wadi]

That is called an IP ban

[pearl walrus]

strictly cause same IP

[unique wadi]

IP bans are so bad because if someone who is not banned lands on that IP then they get banned

For no reason

[pearl walrus]

i thought IP bans just str8 up prevent it

is that not a function of IP banning?

as in, you cannot create an acct at all

on that IP

[unique wadi]

IP bans mean anyone with that IP is banned.No matter if they are guilty or not

IP are dynamic which means that they change over time

The one originally banned on that IP will have a new IP and will be able to rejoin the game

[pearl walrus]

yeah no no i know

i just thought it str8 prevents logging in

and does it at the IP level

not the acct lvl

similar to a HW ban

[unique wadi]

While the guy who was never banned that lands on that IP is banned

[unique wadi]

It does

That's why companies never ban on IP

[pearl walrus]

tell that to fkn discord LOL

[unique wadi]

Discord bans IP?

[pearl walrus]

yep

[unique wadi]

Lmao

[versed basin]

MAC/hardware bans are about 1000x more common than an IP ban, for the reasons you've stated

[pearl walrus]

when you get yeeted from a server

it applies an IP ban

[unique wadi]

That's so bad

Literally banning future customers

[pearl walrus]

well discord doesnt do it at the acct lvl

im saying the servers

when you get a server ban, it applies an IP Ban too

[unique wadi]

Lol

[dark trellis]

do you guys have and tip/trick or workaround for the tedious item searching in bazaar?
Or there is nothing and we just have to do it the hard way until they update the bazaar UI?

[pearl walrus]

nothing you can do

hardway til they update the UI

[brazen lantern]

someone pointed out an issue with the merchants guild. not sure what it actually is. kinda d3s auction house where you can buy gear for real money? i just started the game. you guys are seriously delusional

[woeful ferry]

Thought you were banned? Just that bored huh?

[crisp swallow]

Speculation

[unique wadi]

Don't you dare

[brazen lantern]

i'm banned from the game, not discord, why would i be?

[woeful ferry]

Skill issue probably

[oak elk]

smellslikealie

[crisp swallow]

Sir pls stop the speculation

[brazen lantern]

i filed my ban and i'm awaiting the reply

[oak elk]

Gotta stop sharing that PC with them Gold Miners man

[woeful ferry]

Sir I only speculate

[brazen lantern]

noone in my flat, i can guarantee that

[woeful ferry]

Occasionally hypothesize

[brazen lantern]

passive agressive? 🙂

best way to handle life

[oak elk]

Heis a man of Science Sir.

Be Respectful.

[woeful ferry]

Microaggressive

[oak elk]

MicroTransaction Enjoyer?

[digital field]

Market still ruined or is it getting any better?

Haven’t played since the exploit so idk if it’s even worth coming back lol might just skip this entire cycle

[crisp swallow]

There is a strict no speculation rule

[digital field]

Please no trolly answers

It’s a serious question tbh

[crisp swallow]

Im gonna have to report u

[low prawn]

Its been getting better

[digital field]

I mean if they are banning people for asking if their market is ruined or not, I’m the first one to go

Ty kyo

[low prawn]

Plenty of items are already back in stock, plenty of others prices back to near normal

[digital field]

It’s easing down a bit or still quit hard to buy good items

[digital field]

Alr good I’ll give it a try tomorrow

[low prawn]

" no speculations " applied to the bans and such. NOT to the state of the MG and the items therein presently.

[crisp swallow]

shhh

[tight parrot]

rmt prices going down again, next exploit 😂 ?

[oak elk]

time to go on the hunt.

[low prawn]

?

[rare sun]

I’ve been farming solarum ascents so i get some ladles from exiled mages, any recommendation? Does the wand drop rate blessing increase the chance of a ladle dropping from mages?

[indigo grail]

blessings have no bearing on boss drops

[distant fable]

Hey guys, may be dumb qiuestopn, any chance i could ask some1 to borrow me 20m, for "little time"? i would give back 30m. I want to buy nice armor for 170m, and got 150, missing 20 , dont want it dissapear from auction. I have plenty of nice items to list, but for sure will takes some time to sell it.

If some one can help brother from same discord,. im online now. IGN: GAMBLERR

Thanks alot in advance.

[pastel crystal]

GAMBLERR borrowing gold, you Shohei’s translator?

[distant fable]

@pastel crystal ye, i need right now just 10 milions to borrow, sorry if i post in wrong place...i appriciate.

[blissful edge]

Hey guys
I just want to know generally about the price of 3LP to 4LP gear like Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros relic and Strands of Souls belt

Trying to figure out if it's worth switching from Cycle Of Fortune

[upper mist]

They don t exist haha

Cheapest 2LP Unkeiros is 900M

[blissful edge]

Holy 😨😰 💀
I guess i'm fine with my free no LP twisted Heart

Thanks for letting me know

[upper mist]

MG is a mess right now because of a recent gold exploit, prices are going down slowly

[blissful edge]

Oh damn
Hopefully the market will be normal soon

[molten gate]

2 & 3LP are rare but exist merchant guild will self correct with time. Based of the whole design that your can’t resell items purchased already

[upper mist]

The market will self correct but no to the levels prior of this mess. There's a lot of gold circulating right now and no real sink

[blissful edge]

Yeah it will take time
Maybe next cycle

[lime sedge]

What’s the fastest way to lvl merchant? Been stuck at lvl 8 for days now

[fresh plover]

what corruption are u doing? if u dont push 500+ itll take longer

[lime sedge]

I redid my build I’m needing to build favor to buy my gear and get my last few SP only pushing 200 ATM

[dense flame]

Just grind exp by killing by clearing monos as fast as possible and getting tome echoes they give favor as well

And by clearing I don't mean finishing I mean maxing stability as fast as possible

[lime sedge]

I gotcha. I appreciate it 👍

[fresh plover]

ye if u are 200 itll take more, fastest way to grind rep is doing higher and higher corruption

[lime sedge]

I’ll get my gear settled and start pushing corruption again

[fresh plover]

but to be fair u dont need lvl 9 or 10

8 is where MG caps out

u really dont wanna buy leggos outside of WW items with exact affixes

[lime sedge]

I just can never find any exaulted to slam that’s my main issue that’s why I’m looking for Lvl 9

[fresh plover]

huh? u can buy all exalted items on lvl 8

sorry, lvl 7

[lime sedge]

Tried switching to COF but had to take all my old gear off so I’m screwed either way lol. I don’t have the favor lol 350m gold but 1000 favor 😂

[fresh plover]

lvl 9 and lvl 10 allows you to buy already SLAMMED items

u dont need that at all

[lime sedge]

I just have bad luck on slams done bricked 4-5 daggers with 2-3 LP

[fresh plover]

ye but do u see people actually selling slammed daggers?

last time i checked that market is kinda dead

tho maybe things changed, afaik people usually sell unslammed things

[lime sedge]

Oof. When I can start farming higher corruption I plan on fully switching to COF

[low prawn]

almost positive they just banned everyoen that abused the system. So no, the golds not there anymore

[upper mist]

the gold duppers bought every contested item for insane prices effectively transfering a good amount of gold to non abusers

[crisp juniper]

We still got flooded zero gold items in the shop gang?

[upper mist]

I put a decent rolled 2LP shackles for 800M (was expecting it to be sold in a couple of days haha) and less than 24 hrs later it was sold because of this exploit

i could have sold it for 1.5B easily if I had waited

[upper mist]

no problems with that

the biggest offenders right now are 2/3 LP low life build items, mountain "set" and some relics

and everythind related to DA MM build probably.

everything

[unborn niche]

did the devs release any kind of statement regarding the gold exploit?

[upper mist]

They are mass banning right now

[brazen pebble]

Could have been banned for that too, so lucky you you didn’t 🙂

[upper mist]

I didn t because I put the shackles on the high end of market prices that night (400 to 800). I woke up and every shackle was selling for 1.5b

[brazen pebble]

Yeah, so there is no way you would be flagged for that

[upper mist]

Glad I didn t put them on sale that morning

[brazen pebble]

I Imagine some folks put items for 1.5b they didn’t even intend to sell and those got sold and stuff

[cedar tartan]

Is there a guide from what sells well? I see the market but i have so much gear acomulated because i dont rly know what sells at a good price. Im always at 100-200k gold 😦

[upper mist]

Grab an usable loot filter from the Sanctum Market Discord

[frail thistle]

How tf do you brick something with 3lp

[silk fern]

Miss the most important of the 4 mods. I’ve done it multiple times too.

Two 3lp exsangenous and three 3lp eye of reens I’ve “bricked” by missing the most important of the 4 mods.

[upper mist]

Search custom loot filter from mostrat on the Sanctum Market discord and add some rules

[frail thistle]

Rip then that does, but also it could be a bit of a skill issue maybe? Good players usually get rewarded with good rng and won’t have much trouble hitting the right affixes

[upper mist]

T7 throwing on rings, T7 hybrid health, bone necklaces opal and ivory rings in general, T7 crit per dagger on helmet is insanely expensive too

List is too long

[frail thistle]

Only items I bother picking up these days are red rings and twisted hearts

[silk fern]

Put a red ring in the sixth inventory lot and run up and down the left side of Lagon boss fight room. ??? Profit.

[low prawn]

No. And anything you see anyone saying about the banwave is pure speculation until they do.

We dont know the parameters they used for whos getting the yeet, we dont know how many of them got the yeet.

[dense flame]

https://discord.com/invite/c6ArXN34

Working on something that will tell you exactly that 👀

[dense flame]

You may be interested as well

[summer saffron]

Must be trolling.

[frail thistle]

never have trolled never will

[rotund lark]

Buy "Bhuldar's Wrath" lp2/3/4 PM if any have to sell

[frail thistle]

everyone really thinks their random t7 exalts with health regen are worth 100m now lmao

[unique wadi]

Why not xD

[empty talon]

Areat Summit has a neat pricing guide.
https://arreatsummit.gg/last-epoch/database/prices
There are also loot filters out there that show mostly high value stuff which is pretty much mandatory for MG

Keep in mind that due to an exploit the whole market is pretty much f'd up at the moment.

[unique wadi]

Wdym, market is in a good place right now

[empty talon]

Ok I'm taking that bait - It's actually slowly recovering for some items I'll give you that

[unique wadi]

How is that bait?I have 8B gold

The only issue is there is a shortage of items

That's all

[empty talon]

[unborn niche]

[formal hearth]

until you want a 1 lp red ring then they don't exist anymore

[pastel trout]

What the hell, 2LP Twisted Heart has gone from 150m to 1-1.5bn in the last few weeks?!

[unique wadi]

Yes

[pastel trout]

How are people keeping up with this inflation?! I just came back after a few weeks break and now my money is virtually 1/8th of value it was before I left .. that's mad

[unique wadi]

Just sell good items for alot of money

[turbid birch]

Hey guys, I'm trying to find any update regarding MG situation. Did the devs say something about it? Are they gonna level the gold back or something?

[river prairie]

I believe they said theres an announcement coming later today, from what I saw on reddit last night

They just confirmed the banwave happenes

But theres an official statement too about what happens next

Guess we'll see by the end of the dsy

[signal leaf]

Well they cant Rly do alot, more then ban ppl thet did rmt and brake tos

[tiny spire]

You have 8b gold and there is a shortage of good items? That's exactly where the problem is with the whole market situation. You can't get this amount of "unnatural" gold out of the economy now. Even if all the cheaters were banned, the gold has already dispersed into the economy.

[turbid birch]

Ok, I hope they will just level down the golds a bit. I dropped a 2 LP Jungle Queen and it goes for 1Billion gold. that is just silly

[signal leaf]

Sell it fast then

[turbid birch]

They can level everyone gold to 10m

and reset the economy

[signal leaf]

Yes they could or they could remove all gold for ppl thet play less then 8-10h days gold

Doing a resset like they whould make all ppl thet play alot to quit

[turbid birch]

taht too. Worst scenario is that things stays the same, cause right now it's imp[ossible to play MG

[signal leaf]

Not rly

[turbid birch]

The shield I need from my build went from 4m to 800m, you see that is a problem

[signal leaf]

Well sell your belt and buy the shild

[tiny spire]

99,999% sure they won't touch anyone gold pockets, nor their transactions. I have never seen a developer do that and it would be highly controversial.

[river prairie]

Gotta agree with bob here

[turbid birch]

It's a season, you will lose the gold anyway, so even if they reset it to a reasonable amount for everyone there would be 0 impact on "people pockets"

but it will allow the game to flow normally again

unless you are a cheater and don;t want your scammy coins to be taken away

[signal leaf]

Only ppl thet whould ern on it is casuels

[turbid birch]

so the majority of the player base?

Even HC players don;t have more than 100m, you can;t get more honestly

[signal leaf]

Ye and they majority of player base should not be avabole to buy bis items

[turbid birch]

look at the streamers who do this for work, that is the amount of gold they have

[signal leaf]

Ye i watched a streamer at 5k he did have more then 100m lol

[turbid birch]

it also means that you don;t need gold cause there is no good gold sink system, otherwise no one would have more than 100m

so having it resetted would not impact you at all

[river prairie]

Most of the streamers moved on from LE to play new poe league

So its mostly casuals left haha

[turbid birch]

olso very true

[signal leaf]

And alot of streamers do alot of other things while playing. Or they play cof and dont rly care about gold

As mg you can easy make a mid geared meta build just for favor and 0 gold

And go 1k

[turbid birch]

Guess we will have to wait for what the devs will decide. I hope in an economy reset, but we will see

[signal leaf]

The problem is thet ppl think they need to have a t7 frostclaw

[tiny spire]

Because it's highly unethical and would create an severe backlash. It's very intrusive, it's unfair (some people have farmed for hours to accumulate the gold) and it wouldn't even help. A much easier solution to "remove" the gold from the market would be to crank up Lightless Arbor or create another temporary gold sink. My suggestion is still to allow a free change to CoF and disable MG until new season.

[signal leaf]

Well if everything was cheeper too on the market the nolifer Community whould have buy everything just to slam

[river prairie]

I doubt a reset will happen, but lets see yeah

[turbid birch]

or you can give everyone 100b gold, that would work as well

[signal leaf]

Well thets wrong way to handel it too

[turbid birch]

exactly

so it's better to reset it

[signal leaf]

No thets bad too

[turbid birch]

you can't leave things as they are

so it's either or

[river prairie]

Why so?

The market is already better from what it was the past few days

Give it time and we might recover naturally sooner or later

[turbid birch]

How? Once you have inflation the only way to restor ea market is to reduc ethe liquidity in it. gold has no value right now

and since it is generated from thin air, the issue will persisit

[mystic glacier]

Ban the people who were exploiting - and remove their items from the market if there is any - as for prices they will come down after people relize their stuff is not selling

[river prairie]

Agreed samurai

Exactly my thinking

[turbid birch]

I still thinkl that people who sold to the cheaters and now are honestly sitting fon 10b gold should not have that amount of gold

[signal leaf]

Well is not the sellers fult

[turbid birch]

the issue is not only if you duped, but also if you sold to the dupers

is not a matter of fault, is a matter of restoring the conomy

[signal leaf]

Well why dont we resset everybody to 0

[tiny spire]

The item removal doesn't do much. As @turbid birch said the severe hyperinflation coupled with the lack of valuable items (which can come back over weeks) is the true issue. But the gold remains and even grows over time. The billions of gold swapped hands to non-cheating people and it will stay in the economy.

[signal leaf]

Well alot of item dropped in value already at week 2

[mystic glacier]

So im not sure how the exploit was working - if it involved Direct trading then by all means ban the sellers as well - but if it was just Joe Schmoe putting up his LP3 item from 500m because thats what the 10 others were then you can't blame him

[river prairie]

It involved a third party software allowing the abuser get into negative values of gold, generating unlimited ammounts that way

[turbid birch]

A solution imho would be a gambler merchant where you can gmable for LP items to a very high gold cost. THat would solve the gold inflation and the lack of high LP items on the market

[river prairie]

From what I understood

[turbid birch]

This would be another way

[thick shore]

billions of gold being in the economy of a few people while the rest have to play catchup is an issue

[river prairie]

And still people with a tons of gold would get a lot of those items, Holy

Thats not a solution I believe

[signal leaf]

And alot less item whould show up too

[turbid birch]

yst but to sell them they should put normali prices otherwise they would not sell

[thick shore]

i cant even buy the pieces i want because of everything being inflated and it quite frankly makes me not want to play the game or grind higher

[mystic glacier]

Have a hyper expensive tier of lightless -

[signal leaf]

Well now you can run like 100 Arbor and make money easy

[thick shore]

also those people who have the billions and got the pieces of gear they want have no incentive to reinvest the gold back into the market

and when a piece does come up they can easily price everyone else out

[river prairie]

Yup exactly

[mystic glacier]

I kind of like the idea of nuking the guild for the season, the only issue is half my build is bought and i would lose access to that gear

[thick shore]

if i as a seller know theres a guy with 1 billion gold and i get a meta drop im going to put it up for sale for 1 billion gold not 1m

[tiny spire]

And this is the other problem of this whole mess. You can't blame the people who took advantage and become multi billionaires over night. Not their fault, obviously. At the same time, everyone else who didn't abuse it is left int he rain with their gold be completely worthless compared to the billionaires and it will take a long time until the distribution of wealth is "normalized".

[signal leaf]

What ppl need is how to down scale a meta build in to cheeper to start with

[thick shore]

I understand a lot of people will be effected and im not asking for the market to be nuked as it will be next cycle anyways. i want to know what they plan to do because the prolongued silence just makes people lose faith and get more frustrated

[signal leaf]

All ppl looking at slamed bis items with t7 on

[turbid birch]

I guess we can all take a holiday until the next season. I don't care to play CoF tbh, the chances to get the items you want are closer to 0 despite all the drop rate buff and what not

[tiny spire]

My suggestion is to convert all current MG gear to be usable in CoF. Transfer the favor and rank into the CoF equivalent and disable MG until the end of the season.

[turbid birch]

Yeah but that is not a solution for me for instance

But I can wait, I have Hell to Dive anyway

[mystic glacier]

They could throw a cap sale price based on items

[arctic gate]

Lol no. Please keep out mg jannies from my cof

[mystic glacier]

here we go - a 10b cosmetic item - and its a Dunce cap

[signal leaf]

I love to make millions of millions of gold from mg. So i can go farm more in Arbor

[thick shore]

everyone else is already out of YOUR cof. thats literally how it works

[arctic gate]

Gold is still worth the exact same. There is no problem

[tiny spire]

Your CoF won't be impacted at all. It's self-found anyways

[mild forge]

did they start the purge? grabs pitchfork with intent

[signal leaf]

They are just salty they cant buy bis items while playing 2h aday😅

[arctic gate]

Your gear isn't self found. It's brought with bottled gold

[tiny spire]

Again, it has 0 impact on you. CoF is 100% your items, your gold.

[arctic gate]

Then why do you support turning mg items into cor items

[thick shore]

hes saying MG should be disabled this cycle with everyone being moved to CoF. with their items being converted to CoF so they can use the items they already have. this will have 0 impact on you since CoF is self found anyways

[glass narwhal]

disabling MG is bs, it will and shall carry on. stop forcing players to be on the COF camp. we love to find loots and sell

[humble burrow]

as if cof is so special like what u think that cof gear is 100x the mg or what? doing prophecis dropping 30 unqiues and then picking one out of it with the cof lp boost and calling it self found wow mate crazy

[frigid shell]

both are good

[arctic gate]

Sorry. I can't take market jannies seriously. Go buy more gold at 2 cents a million lol

[frigid shell]

both require big grinds if you dont buy gold

i do feel quite bad for the MG players though

[unique wadi]

COF supremacy once again proven

[pearl walrus]

Yo str8 up Mike said they have plans for handling the market in it's current state. I asked yesterday in the #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[unique wadi]

Did you speculate?

Or just a question