💰┃merchants-guild

[blazing forum]

not quite sure how undoing would work with crafting/julra dungeon

[hardy lance]

The water is fine

[dapper bear]

MG is ruined now since theres prob a trillion++ in circulation

[hardy lance]

Yeah, that would be problematic

[sacred nebula]

hope this isnt a dumb question but why do people list stuff for 0 gold?

[distant fable]

@dapper bear items from cof, after cycle end will finish in stash mixed with mg items, and can be used by all characters on legacy, do u know?

[fresh plover]

cause those people...arent smart

[dapper bear]

They think thats the best way to spend their favor

[sacred nebula]

are they being philanthropists

[granite moss]

thye could take all selling items send them back to the person and make them not sellable to reset market.

[fresh plover]

basically

[dapper bear]

Dont tell them so we can take advantage lol

[sacred nebula]

lol 😆 okay

[dapper bear]

Havent got a clue, only started playing at release so dont know if they've had any test cycles in beta

[hallow orchid]

mecchants guild is now like poor people guild now ?

[distant fable]

mg is now , eveyuthing u find u list for 1.5b gold

so items like 3/4lp rare

u post on forums

[hardy lance]

they're rich, but in "argentinian pesos"

[hallow orchid]

sold 2 weeks stuff to buy 2 ring and now they cost 80x more

[distant fable]

to sell for $+gold+fast cars

[hallow orchid]

need extra year to make it back now lol

[distant fable]

yep

i fell your pain bro

[sacred nebula]

i found a 3lp third eye ring yesterday and i see it listed by others for 1.25b to 1.5b gold...i dont have the favor to list mine so i'm doing echos now lol

[distant fable]

i have similar things happend

[delicate notch]

They thought they rank up if their stuff get sold, so they put 0 to sell it faster. You gain exp by just listing it tho

[hardy lance]

A lot of people are not listing stuff because the economy is jacked up

and no one knows what approach EHG is going to take to fix it

[blazing forum]

they prob don't know themselves yet

[distant fable]

they will dont fix it

[hallow orchid]

easy make merchant guild and circle of fortune same

[sacred nebula]

sn't more gold better?

[hardy lance]

Duped gold oversaturated the market and MG player accounts

[delicate notch]

The exploit has been patched. I'm curious on what they will do next

[distant fable]

they could reset all gold of every1 to 0

[blazing forum]

not if you don't have it.

[distant fable]

every1 have 0 gold

this is solution but unfair1

[hallow orchid]

refound my game after all that time i playd pls

[sacred nebula]

i wanna list my ring asap, then go splurge on stash tabs and gamble in the vault

[blazing forum]

what ring?

[sacred nebula]

3lp third eye ring i found yesterday

[blazing forum]

nice

[distant fable]

nice ring, i got 2lp

dont list it

its worth car BMW or audi IRL

[delicate notch]

Hopefully someone with leftover fortune still buys it for 1.5b. The exploit was patched

[hallow orchid]

list it like 1b

[distant fable]

sell for a car

[hallow orchid]

maibi some stupid hacker come again

[distant fable]

dont list it... lol 1b its 0.0001$

list it for bmw m3 car

[delicate notch]

So they will br out of gold if they but it

[small jay]

The idea that someone can find an item worth billions, then literally BUY their entire builds worth of gear seems so odd to me. Like "oh it dropped, i sell this i deck out in full 3LP gear (hoping the slams go well of course)

[sacred nebula]

you're confusing me , i was actually starting to believe you 😂

[hallow orchid]

we ger refound link for merchant guild points to but them on fortune ? .

[sacred nebula]

literally just joined MG yesterday after CoF frustrations

[blazing forum]

i'm wondring if there are accounts with 100 sells of 1.5 bil they can claim whenever they want. or if that got deleted.

[fresh plover]

my condolences

[distant fable]

what u think guys about soultion

everyone have 0 gold

reset to 0 gold all accounts

[hallow orchid]

its not solution lol

[sacred nebula]

wait until i spend all my gold then yes

[distant fable]

why not?

[hallow orchid]

like reset all money i made for like all time i played ?

[distant fable]

yes exactly

[hardy lance]

People sold items that dropped through RNG

[hallow orchid]

and hackers have already they lp 4 stuff

that not helps

[hardy lance]

dupers bought those items

[fresh plover]

yes reset gold, reset ladder would be nice 🙂

[distant fable]

whats better solution than rollback to 1st day or 0 gold?

i know that

but there is no solution better if there is - they neeed 109342342423 workers

and 234432423 hours

to fix it

and 324423432423 dollars

[hallow orchid]

reroll all accs whos in that moneyscam

and all done

[distant fable]

it takes years

to do that

[small jay]

Yes, i too feel bad for him, actually having to find his gear instead of going shopping for it. Im sorry you didnt have instant gratification young man! Come to MG, come get aome of that sweet, instant gratification.

[hallow orchid]

i doent believe they cant track from who money moved

[sacred nebula]

dupers bought those items for billions, so they can resell them for millions later

[blazing forum]

soft gold reset? multiply all gold gain by 10x and increase gold cap? 🤔

[hardy lance]

Resetting gold would only impact MG players, so as a CoF player, i have no dog in that fight. I just know that MG players that did not intend to participate or actively participate in the bug are not gonna like it

[distant fable]

they cant

[hardy lance]

just like CoF players wouldn't like a reset

[feral drum]

you cant resell

[distant fable]

its boa items

they can make builds

or sell accounts for $

[blazing forum]

no reselling in last epoch

[hallow orchid]

only help is merge guilds

then we can farm other way becose season economy already ruined

[agile pawn]

imagine legacy economy

[sacred nebula]

so they just bought them to min-max?

[blazing forum]

i could actually see a once ina lifetime speciall occasion offer working... "if you switch to CoF now, take your merch gear with you, MG tag is removes, CoF tag is added"

[hardy lance]

You can't merge guilds

[small jay]

Was there official news on the duping of gold?

[blazing forum]

no

[hardy lance]

merging CoF with the mess that is MG right now would ruin CoF

[agile pawn]

why?

[feral drum]

maybe they bought them to spite the other gold sellers

[agile pawn]

how does it change anything for cof players who are basically ssf

[hardy lance]

players with billions in gold, other players with stupid amounts of LP4s and LP3s

[agile pawn]

and what

how does that affect your personal experience

[hardy lance]

It basically is a huge advantage to anyone coming from MG

[tiny spire]

CoF players are unaffected. You are basically playing self found anyways with CoF

[small jay]

Does anything happening to mg effect yours?

[hardy lance]

that's true

[delicate notch]

Maybe, maybe not.

[hardy lance]

It just means that the ladder would be dominated by MG players

[sacred nebula]

ah okay.. i usually ignore all the rmt related stuff so i assumed they bought it so they can somehow gain something financially later

[agile pawn]

yeah game’s ruined right now isn’t it?

[tiny spire]

it already is 🙂

[small jay]

It is already

[hardy lance]

@small jay are we sure about that?

[agile pawn]

the ladder was always going to be MG dominated

trading is 10x better than ssf

[distant fable]

they reported this dupe bug from begininng

[agile pawn]

in any game

ever

[distant fable]

devs didnt fixed it

[blazing forum]

oh, true. ppl coming over with MG gear couldnt be allowed into ladder

[small jay]

Cof cant compete with thousands of ppl farming you gear while you sleep

[agile pawn]

any competitive player was already MG

since day 1

[blazing forum]

is there no seperate CoF ladder?

[agile pawn]

no

[sacred nebula]

the chad ladder, we need that

[hardy lance]

Untrue, but ok

[tiny spire]

This. Around 80-90% are MG on the leader board

[agile pawn]

sorry but if you’re a competitive player and you went with cof

you’re a bit stupid

[hardy lance]

Or just like grinding gear as part of the fun

[agile pawn]

yeh then you’re not competitive about ladder results

[hardy lance]

besides -- from day 1 MG had problems

[agile pawn]

you like to farm

innit

[delicate notch]

Come to think of it, they should separate it. Since gear acquisition is diff

[agile pawn]

they should absolutely separate

MG will always win otherwise

[blazing forum]

yea, i had just assumed they were seperate

[hardy lance]

I mean, if they separate the ladders then yeah who cares if they let all of the MG players keep their stuff and go to CoF

but

that is prob not gonna happen this cycle either

[agile pawn]

it’s the opposite

[hardy lance]

that would require a lot of work

[small jay]

This games trade needs to evolve before its worth using for me. Coming from hardcore trading in PoE, LE feels like d3 AH. Shallow

[agile pawn]

if they don’t separate ladders there’s no downside from letting all MG players swap to cof

for free

[sacred nebula]

i started CoF playing casually , but swapped to MG last night when my gear needs started getting higher stats and LP specific ... it was just taking too much time inCoF

[crisp swallow]

F

[hardy lance]

If you target farm in CoF you can hit your LPs

[agile pawn]

kek

[hardy lance]

at least LP2 and LP3 (non-boss drops)

[delicate notch]

Plus the search is atrocious. We have 20+?? vendors

Price checking is so tedious

[sacred nebula]

i was doing that but having crap rng

[agile pawn]

imagine making a trade system worse than poe

[hardy lance]

I was having the same experience

[distant fable]

yep they fixed it

[agile pawn]

that’s the ssf experience, always, it’s extremely rng dependent whilst trade allows you to make incremental advancements towards your goal

[hardy lance]

i swapped to using the 80% + 90% lense, + unique or specific item in each slot, set up mid-level corruption timelines and high level corruption timelines and started target farming

[distant fable]

still 0 , 2/3/4lp items

[agile pawn]

that’s why trade is more powerful

[distant fable]

on market

[small jay]

Thats kinda, well.. you cant beat poe

[hardy lance]

i hit a LOT of my stuff that way, LP2s and LP3s

[delicate notch]

My crappest RNG in this game so far is not getting my T6 on 13 slams. Those were all LP2s.

[agile pawn]

nah mate the vendors thing alone makes it worse than poe

[sacred nebula]

oooh.. i saw a video about that recently , i'm 200k rep away from rank 8 for the 90% lens i might try it on my main since he's still CoF

[delicate notch]

Maybe 4 vendors max. WTH just make them all fight in the arena and the remainig 4 gets to buy and sell our stuff

[dry halo]

The market is blown up and I still can't sell my idols lol

[oak elk]

Man I take a family vacation and MG is in shambles now

whew

[agile pawn]

family is forever

🙂

[dry halo]

One vendor is adequate. No idea why anyone thought we needed more than 1. Maybe they brought it down from 100 for each item * rarity and thought they did a good job

[delicate notch]

So it is your fault. Never take a vacation again

[small jay]

Yep. At rank 10, i do unique glove prophecies and can literally go into a dungeon, kill rares and 48 pairs of unique gloves can drop

[oak elk]

Yep sorry Germlins went loose

[rare sun]

Maybe cause of bots

[sacred nebula]

lmao .. i definitely want that feeling

[dry halo]

bots can't walk from vendor to vendor? Or do you think going from 1 bot to 20 bot per vendor would be hard?

[agile pawn]

prolly easier for the bots to walk from vendor to vendor than for me

tbh

i still get lost

always get off hand catalyst and relic vendor mixed up

[dry halo]

Yeah, I gave up on looking at the symbols on the map. Just walk around and read vendor names til I see what I want

[sacred nebula]

another reason i swapped to mg is to sell gear that i'll probably never use but is good for others

[oak elk]

Any update on any fix for MG or they are just hot fixing the bug and waiting till next season.

[agile pawn]

likely the latter

no official word out yet though

[small jay]

Followed by that feeling of "how the hell didnt the pair i jeed even drop?"

[oak elk]

Yeah. I understand if they wait. Nothing they can really do right now unless they globally wiped everyone's gold.

[dry halo]

What we need is to deflate the market by adding more gear into the supply. If they gave us CoF for rest of cycle, it would be an easy fix

[agile pawn]

that’s what i mean by incremental advances towards your goal. if you drop something good in MG = you’re closer to your goal. if you drop something good in cof that isn’t what you want = you’re exactly in the same spot

[dapper bear]

No one knows since they havent made any official statement. All we know is that they hotfixed the method (the public one cough cough) people used to gain unlimited gold

[sacred nebula]

lool that's me right now with my 6 glove drops... i stg if i get one more swaddling of erased

[delicate notch]

Are you implying there are other methods?

[dapper bear]

Who knows, wouldnt surprise me at all

[small jay]

The game knows i want hubris gloves.. so it gives me lp3 everything else

[agile pawn]

this method was so simple

and so silly

[signal jacinth]

what was it

[agile pawn]

that i wouldn’t be surprised at all either

tbh

[dapper bear]

Devs have been silencing anyone talking about any active dupes

Its been pretty obvious since week 1 with the inflation

[oak elk]

Smiting would be the more appropriate term.

[agile pawn]

We had over 50% inflation on some days

[delicate notch]

I only played just before launch so i don't know if there are other existing methods before

[agile pawn]

kek

[delicate notch]

Isn't this one an old method?

[dense wyvern]

can anyone give me bazaar tp ign : Bankingx

[dapper bear]

Yeah its crazy

[hardy lance]

@agile pawn that is what kept me off MG

as a competitive player, I agree, MG would have been easier

[dapper bear]

Had an alt as MG from first week when I didnt want to play my main, bought full bis for it for a few million

Basically nothing

[hardy lance]

but i started on CoF, and by the time i made it to end game

[sacred nebula]

yea and i feel bad some good gear just sits there in stash probably forever.. id rather sell it even for cheap in mg for others to enjoy

[hardy lance]

the prices were already getting silly

[dapper bear]

Then suddenly next day its 10+ for one item when I paid max 4 for everything

[hardy lance]

that was maybe a month, month and a half ago

month ago?:

[agile pawn]

silly prices don’t actually matter though really because the items you sell sell for silly prices either

it’s every item being gold cap that’s stupid

[dapper bear]

And this was a wraith necro so as meta as you could get at the time

[oak elk]

I find CoF Fine TBh i gotten up to 1.5k corruption so far and pretty close to bis in about 200 hourish.

[split wave]

Was it though? It required a cheat engine to exploit a server vulnerability

at least, as far as I know

[agile pawn]

bro negative integer

first year of college stuff man ngl

[hardy lance]

I'm on CoF and have BiS gear from CoF for almost everything except boss drops

boss drops still not giving me LP

if they even drop at all

[oak elk]

I gotten a few 3lp boss drops

Its harder but yeah.

[hardy lance]

well, not counting BFD

[dapper bear]

CoF is more than fine until you get close to true bis

[oak elk]

BFD meaning?

(horriable with short terms)

[hardy lance]

but the Heart and Omnis with LP have been problematic to farm

[small jay]

Yeh? Well i have 1000 of each boss drop at 1lp just cos.

[dapper bear]

Played over 50 hours a week on my main without getting a single upgrade

[hardy lance]

Blood Frost Death

[oak elk]

oh yeah.

[hardy lance]

I got shackles and boots with LP

[oak elk]

well everyone has 1k 1lps xD

[small jay]

I found a 4lp twisted heart

[hardy lance]

belt from Lich no LP, Omnis no LP, Heart no LP

[dapper bear]

keep it

[oak elk]

I got lucky with my heart. 3lp

[hardy lance]

yeah, that's baller

[oak elk]

probably wont ever use it since I hate ward builds

[small jay]

You didnt let me finish.. then i woke up

[oak elk]

and I expect ward builds to get nerfed quite hard

[dapper bear]

lmao

[desert venture]

Literally every item still 500M-1.5B, makes me want to do the same thing and list items at crazy prices

[hardy lance]

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeet. Let's start partying together, you can send it to me with an obsidian shard

😂

[sacred nebula]

most dupes ive seen (coming from d4 and now last epoch) have seemed this way 😆 ...

[oak elk]

xD

[delicate notch]

Anyway, do you guys know any non-meta builds that were not impacted too much by the inflation? For alts to just have fun and stuff

[hardy lance]

Even non-meta builds use some meta things often times from what i've seen

or other very rare items

[oak elk]

I think the Necro Build and Exploding minion build was still fine not sure.

Necro being the big wraith build w.e that thing is called.

[hardy lance]

like, Blood of the exile AFAIK isn't heavily used, but it's so rare that i'd imagine they could fetch a good price

[blazing forum]

dropped a few 1lp hearts by now. still no lp omnis.

[dapper bear]

Sadly no clue. Havent played in a week due to the issues with the game

[hardy lance]

Let's party up bro! 😂

[delicate notch]

Ah hopefully to stuff are replaceable with lower LPs or exalts

[hardy lance]

Just recently, the veil lock started using Vaion's Chariot as BiS

and that one is already super hard to get

[delicate notch]

R u referring to the torment or bleed warlock? I have no warlock yet so i might

[oak elk]

Nah not warlock

it is the Big Minion Necro build

i think its called Wraith lord.

it noms all the smaller minions for big dam

[blazing forum]

we'd need an obsidian resonance to trade, right? and untagged works? don't have a heart with CoF tag, guess they rarely/never have one?

[delicate notch]

I think that's true. I have that. Currently on 700 corruption on that one and also kills julra in 3 seconds. I like that since it goes online with just the helmet and little gearing.

[hardy lance]

Yep. You get those by partying up

If no tag then can be used by anyone

[delicate notch]

You won't need resonance on items that dropped while you guys are partied up. You can even gift cof or mg tagged items. You can't just wear them tho lol

[hardy lance]

I'm dead serious though, if people are looking for stuff and I have it, I wouldn't mind trading with resonance for it for stuff I'm looking for

[delicate notch]

Obly need resonance on drops while not within the party

[oak elk]

ahh oki.

[hardy lance]

Correct, but yes for stuff that you already have

Like he said

Either way I've been soloing this game since parties were buggy but, I wonder if some of that is fixed now

[delicate notch]

My bro and I partied up when we were in COF. That made gearing really fast

[hardy lance]

Could be fun to melt t4 julra or any of the bosses

[agile pawn]

wonder if CoF only ladder would just

one streamer whose viewers all give him free stuff

[hardy lance]

??

Doesn't work that way lol

[small jay]

If he partied with them sure why not lol

[hardy lance]

You have to play together

[delicate notch]

They will have to play together for the resonance to drop

[agile pawn]

yeah can just play w ur viewers

plenty of streamers do that

[blazing forum]

whats your tag? can add you 🙂

[agile pawn]

like asmongold kek

[delicate notch]

Resonance are bound between u and your party member obly

[hardy lance]

Ch40SBr1nG3R

👊

Right on, let's keep playing... After all that's all that can be done regardless of what EHG is going to do

[blazing forum]

added and shows as offline

[hardy lance]

Yeah, I'll be online in a bit. Have to go to air port to pick up my daughter soon

[frail thistle]

So do we have to go play poe now bc the market is screwed? I’m worried

[hardy lance]

I mean, you can also just keep playing the game

The market is one part only. It will be fixed eventually

[frail thistle]

Can I still get decent gear?

[blazing forum]

decent yes. OP no

[hardy lance]

Yeah, you might just have to grind a bit.

[oak elk]

TIme to merge MG and CoF ;3

[frail thistle]

How bad is it actually? I’m not playing meta stuff so no worries on that. Just switched over mg from cof and about to hit r7 today so I can finally buy the exalts I need for my chakram build lol

[dry halo]

I've been saying this for weeks

[oak elk]

atleast for this season until they can come up with a market fix

Mark is Ok. but IMO you get more medicore gear more often from CoF than MG. MG was great for getting bis or close to bis stuff.

[agile pawn]

i think that probably the best solution

close the market place

call it a day

let’s us all go cof

next season try again

[frail thistle]

All that would do is make 0-2lp uniques worth even less than 0 gold

[livid aspen]

still floors me that when RMT was brought up around the MG preview Mike brushed it off and said that all the restrictions on trade or friend gifting werent even there to stop RMT

[oak elk]

I mean they are worth less than 0 gold already

especially as CoF

[agile pawn]

i mean it’s not rmt’s fault that they ducked up on cheating engine negative integer

that’s like

a dragon fable times level mistake

[frail thistle]

Yea rmt has nothing to do with this lol

[hardy lance]

Lol fr. In CoF we don't care about gold, except for stash tabs and arbor

[oak elk]

Yep

[agile pawn]

poe has had loads of rmt since the get go

doesn’t ruin the game for anyone

[frail thistle]

CoF kinda miserable tho

[oak elk]

Only thing MG was good for was BiS'ing Alts and mains

It isnt

Under 200 hours

[agile pawn]

same for d3, d4, d2, wow, any big game has rmt really

[oak elk]

I have 2 toons geared

with 1.5k corruption

it just about how efficent you are on farming.

same way MG used to farm Arbor for $$$$

you gotta change patterns for coF

[frail thistle]

You will never escape rmt in online gaming it’s just not possible. It’s like the war on drugs. Demand exists, people will fill it. Every single game that has ever existed that has interaction between players has struggled to deal with bots/rmt

[agile pawn]

rmt doesn’t affect the average player

[livid aspen]

I mean, it has in this case

[agile pawn]

not rmt’s fault

[humble burrow]

U could farm arbor for cash? Everytime I wasted gold there I got only trash dropped

[oak elk]

not really RMT fault

[agile pawn]

this is EHG’s fault and no one else’s

[oak elk]

you farmed Arbor for the boss drops

and even 2lp Boss drops net'ed gold

[agile pawn]

i mean you also farmed arbor for the insane loot explosions

[oak elk]

you never opened the last chest place.

[livid aspen]

thats my point, how you set up your systems turns RMT from a fairly victimless crime, into a catastrophe that blows up your game

[agile pawn]

yeah but this isn’t a problem with how the auction house system was set up

[ashen delta]

It's a problem with a bug lol

[agile pawn]

this is a rookie coding mistake

[oak elk]

Rookies impossible

LE are perfect people

;3

[frail thistle]

Lol this has literally nothing do with rmt what are you on about, it’s a gold dupe that regular players were using

[agile pawn]

if anything this negatively impacts rmt

the sellers anyways

[frail thistle]

Yea

[ashen delta]

RMT can't sell gold in this game anymore cause gold is valueless

[agile pawn]

a billion gold is 4€, the market is cooked

[frail thistle]

Rmt deez nuts

[hardy lance]

I mean.... This dupe gold making gold worthless might be what fixes rmt in this game 😂

[fresh plover]

yes but that dupe was used by chinese rmt's a week before it was made public, op of the post literally said that

[dapper bear]

RMT has ruined the game since they've known about the dupes from the beginning

[upper mist]

There's a rumor that this dupe gold hack was an issue for weeks and it was reported

[dapper bear]

To say RMT doesnt affect it is dumb

[hardy lance]

Maybe the fix going out so fast was a mistake (just joking btw)

[dapper bear]

Not a rumour, the chinese dude that leaked it said it in his video before it was taken down

[ashen delta]

Not saying RMT doesn't affect it, but the market would have crashed with or without RMT

[dapper bear]

Thats true yeah

[frail thistle]

It’s kinda shady that you even know how much gold is worth on rmt, you’re not a criminal gang member are you?

[upper mist]

Well, I m kinda disappointed with EHG then

[fresh plover]

crash isnt same as inflation, right now market completely crashed cause items been wiped out, that has nothing to do with inflation

[dapper bear]

I check g2g all the time for games I play

Easiest way to know if its worth the time or not

[frail thistle]

Sounds like criminal gang member activity

[agile pawn]

^

[dapper bear]

How I knew theres been a working dupe since week 1

[hardy lance]

😂

[fresh plover]

bro is trolling

[ashen delta]

The market hasn't "crashed" in the sense that prices have gone to 0. It has "crashed" in the sense that it doesn't even function anymore.

[dapper bear]

Toxicrainn, is that you?

[oak elk]

I am go hide in my CoF Den. Where the good bois play ;3

[hardy lance]

👊🥳🫡

[humble burrow]

What u think about the new all time low xD

[oak elk]

All i know MG is on fire and cof is like
"huh"

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662

[dapper bear]

About time imo

[frail thistle]

Never have trolled never will! While I can understand the appeal of it for others I just don’t enjoy it personally

[humble burrow]

At this rate some random crypto coins are worth more haha

[dapper bear]

Been REALLY fing obvious that gold sellers havent been farming legit no matter how many bots they'd have running

[hardy lance]

Funny thing is, like, if prices had been reasonable from the start, the market would also probably be devoid of chase items

Cause everyone would also be buying them with reasonable amounts of gold

[agile pawn]

the shifts in prices were just too sudden

i mean euros to gold exchange

[dapper bear]

Yeah

Usually it takes a long time to adjust

[frail thistle]

A 4lp twisted heart would prolly still be cap

[agile pawn]

gold was dropping in value sometimes by over 50% in a single day, it was insane

[hardy lance]

Without rmt or gold duping, it would never sell

[fresh plover]

i mean people were on copium that this thing hasnt been going on for month due to several different dupe bugs, ig for people to believe they need a situation like now where u cant buy anything and selling is pointless

[hardy lance]

Without duping or rmt, sellers have to list things for prices people can actually buy them at.

[frail thistle]

I still don’t believe there was duping tbh, this is just the natural progression of an economy with no gold sink and ehg have made this scenario up to justify a gold reset so they can fix the economy

[dry halo]

We just need someone to find item duping to rebalance the market

[agile pawn]

we have hard video evidence of the exploit

[hardy lance]

Ehhh items sky rocketing too much for it to be natural progression imo

[frail thistle]

Chatgpt is very powerful these days

[hardy lance]

Wait. Are you saying that this last bug is fake?

[livid aspen]

they dont, they just sell the 4LP heart for actual $$ on a forum somewhere like they're probably doing today

[fresh plover]

wait so u are saying that u dont believe in duping when 8hours ago we had several PAGES of all meta items and today we have 0, like how much more proof do u need?

and also devs literally confirming on reddit that the exploit has been fixed 2 hours ago

[agile pawn]

is chat gpt writing ur messages

[dapper bear]

Not trolling you said kekw

[humble burrow]

The thing is also that rare items are too rare like I dropped 1 single 1lp prismatic gaze in 230h like wtf and it was 2% crit so completely unusable and if u drop a 4lp which prob never happens no one would sell it and if then def not for gold

[hardy lance]

Fair point

[agile pawn]

good old d2jsp days

[fresh plover]

like devs said that it has been hotfixed and dude says i dont believe we had duping 🤣

[hardy lance]

Yeahhhh wtf is going on with that guy lol

I thought he was debating whether it's been around from the start

[crisp swallow]

proof????

[frail thistle]

Potentially, it’s hard to tell what’s real and not these days the only real trustworthy source we have left is an eyewitness account by a certified notary

[dry halo]

duping deniers been on here for weeks. I bet yall don't believe in god either

[hardy lance]

Lmao dude.

[dapper bear]

hahaha

[crisp swallow]

PROOOF????

[fresh plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1brmeei/comment/kxao8h1/?share_id=8Al2bC2VMtKPI-jSHiQMf&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[humble burrow]

xD ye I think people just buying whole market off for fun cause they are godly grinders

Wrong channel

[hardy lance]

😂😂😂 For suuuure

[wraith meadow]

ops

[hardy lance]

Man, dude prob also thinks JFK is coming back.

[crisp swallow]

and how do you prove its not AI thread?

[oak pewter]

so are they banning everyone that cheated gold or should i just come back next cycle?

[frail thistle]

when you learn about some of the stuff that corporations like Dole, enron, and acme have done to achieve their agendas then the possibility of a company pulling off a very minor conspiracy like this to justify their actions doesnt surprise you as much

[dapper bear]

How do you tell if someone is duping? You send them a notarized letter, right? Well what if the recipient is your notary?

[fresh plover]

hopefully they will ban, doubt so

[frail thistle]

yea things get real messy then lol, its not a perfect system but unfortunately the best we have atm

[hardy lance]

@frail thistle wrong place buddy. You're looking for r/conspiracy

This is a Wendy's

[dapper bear]

COme back next cycle or go cof is prob your best bet

[dry halo]

occam's razor. Duping is the most logical conclusion.

[frail thistle]

CoF

[dapper bear]

MG will probably never recover with the gold that has been added to the game by now

[dry halo]

Can we just start the next cycle already

[oak pewter]

yeah tought so , well it was fun ride while it lasted

[frail thistle]

i think i would still rather just try and save up 1.5bil to buy the exalts i need than try and go through cof again

[hallow orchid]

people who not hacked never recover

[dry halo]

CoF before the stash cost reduction was a nightmare. Like grinding for 100 hours to have 150k gold in stash

[hardy lance]

I think more people should party up. When they get LP dupes they can share them with others.

It's a shared item pool comrades

[crisp swallow]

sorry not a communist

[dry halo]

Or we should take everyone's gold and redistribute it across all players. That's communism done right

[oak elk]

I say wipe gold ;3

[frail thistle]

i mean the market can still recover from this, it will be tough to buy stuff for a little while but if you just keep on playing like normal, continue to sell stuff, then the gold will get distributed and we can buy stuff again. prices will be higher but we'll be selling for more innit

[oak elk]

Everyone is poor wheeee

[frail thistle]

i also support this

[oak elk]

Everyone is poor and new currency is Glyphs and runes.

there

[humble burrow]

No lol since 95% of the items are worth nothing

[frail thistle]

wipe any gold anyone has above 27,540,000 and just continue on like nothing happed

[frail thistle]

yea thats how it is already without any dupes lol

[agile pawn]

amen brother

now we’re talking

[humble burrow]

27,549 Sounds very specific xD

[humble burrow]

Yeah and that’s a problem

[dapper bear]

I think its how much gold he has, very sus

[frail thistle]

i used cutthroat analysis to determine the ideal amount of gold that an honest, highly skilled, ethically responsible player has at the moment

[frail thistle]

thats just the nature of pure random loot in an arpg lol

[agile pawn]

gold man hire this man

he’ll be crack at excel

[humble burrow]

Ye haha pls wipe alle gear from everyone but not if u have a lp4 ladle, twisted heart +4 frost with 96% dmg

[agile pawn]

i think all non necromancer characters should get wiped

[humble burrow]

That’s the nature of drop rates and balancing issues

[frail thistle]

no wipe them specifically

[humble burrow]

:p

[hardy lance]

😂

I like it.

[dapper bear]

Just wipe everything

When fresh

[hardy lance]

And I'm not even a necromancer

[dry halo]

I might actually go back to D4 for the next season

[frail thistle]

if your build is valued over gold cap, wipe it

[agile pawn]

let’s go further

[oak elk]

I kinda dont wanns support blizzard

[frail thistle]

lmaooooo ok trolling is fun sometimes but you gotta make it believable man

[agile pawn]

if you’re north american i think ur account should be wiped

[oak elk]

Unless they show some actual change

[hardy lance]

😂😂😂

[frail thistle]

blizzard made wow, theyre forever good in my eyes

[oak elk]

EHhhh they ruined wow

Atleast Wow Classic

[agile pawn]

they ruined every game

[oak elk]

I mean Retail NVM

[agile pawn]

but they also made them

[oak elk]

i cant type

[frail thistle]

its been better at times but its still the greatest game ever

[agile pawn]

so should we be grateful

[dry halo]

Blizzard expects everyone to have phones. Elitist pigs

[oak elk]

They made a good game

[humble burrow]

🧢

[oak elk]

but WoW is not a good game any more

unless it is Classic

[dapper bear]

Okay I gotta give it to you, you're good at this! Made me laugh several times now

[frail thistle]

idc how "bad" wow is ill still be logging on 3 nights a week to mythic raid with my friends bc theres nothing else in gaming like it

[oak elk]

Until Retail wow and remove addons from their game.

its kinda Meh

[frail thistle]

💗

[hallow orchid]

any news on fixes ?

[frail thistle]

addons are the best part of wow

[dry halo]

I'm afraid to sell anything incase they do gold wipe

[agile pawn]

not this asmongotake

[oak elk]

Addons ruin wow

[hardy lance]

All gold gone. All items are shared in a common stash now.

[oak elk]

Ehhh I just dont like having 10x addons xD

[hardy lance]

Welcome to the party comrade

[agile pawn]

wow wouldn’t be popular without addons

[oak elk]

I playe mythic, did Swtor , Did FFXIV

[agile pawn]

it’s quite literally a trash game without addons

[humble burrow]

Bro who should fix it? XD to fix something you need to be aware of something

[oak elk]

You cant play the game without it

which is a problem

[agile pawn]

yeah so ur solution is deleting them?

[oak elk]

Yeah. Like I understand what is going on

[dry halo]

Add 20 more levels to MG faction and remove all gold from AH

[livid aspen]

you only had 10 addons? I upgraded to 64 gigs of ram in order to be able to run all my addons and do other things with my computer

[oak elk]

no just wow needs to create a better in game system

[hardy lance]

Hello fellow MTG player

[agile pawn]

wow can’t create a better system for every player

[livid aspen]

which is why I was entirely prepared for LE levels of memory leak

[oak elk]

so you dont need to rely on addons for information

[agile pawn]

that’s the point of addons

[oak elk]

FFXIV

did?

Telling me wow cant?

[frail thistle]

i have eyesight issues and have trouble quickly focusing on objects after changing where my eyes are looking, if it werent for addons and wow just had a base ui like every other game with ui elements just thrown in the corner then i wouldnt be able to play at the level i do

[oak elk]

Gw2 Did

wow Cant?

like common that isnt true

[agile pawn]

FFXIV is made 15 years after wow

[oak elk]

they can they just wont.

[agile pawn]

you just don’t get how engines work

[oak elk]

I mean I dont care how they work

[agile pawn]

kek

[oak elk]

several games have done it

[frail thistle]

yea bc most players would quit if they removed addons

[oak elk]

Yeah at this point yes

Which is their fault

[agile pawn]

what’s the other 20 year old game with good ui

tel me

[oak elk]

Gw2?

[agile pawn]

gw2 is hot garbage

[frail thistle]

being able to make my ui look however i like instead of the one single ui the developer decided to create is the most amazing thing ever

[oak elk]

xD

[agile pawn]

like cmon

[oak elk]

have you dont Any Cm raids on Gw2?

have you done speed running on Gw2?

i dont think so if u say that

[agile pawn]

mate i played it on release

[oak elk]

have you done the raids.

[frail thistle]

what raids

[oak elk]

Release Gw2 was bad

[agile pawn]

it’s a bad game with barbie universe end game

[worn orbit]

its the merchant guild channel guys

[agile pawn]

collecting dyes and outfits

like a middle school child on sims

[hallow orchid]

chat full of bots from other games lol

[agile pawn]

better to discuss inflation and exploits for hours on end

innit

[dry halo]

Merchant guild only discussions or discussions by merchant guild members

[agile pawn]

i agree

out with a coffies

[frail thistle]

yea wow and gw2 also have auction houses so its still on topic

[dry halo]

Am I selling my 2LP Jungle belt for 1B or not?

[oak elk]

what if LE introduce D3 Release Auction house.

[fresh plover]

1.5 bil

[oak elk]

2b

[fresh plover]

cant sell for 2bil

unless player to player

[blazing forum]

sure, try to still get 1.5

[dry halo]

here we goooo

[blazing forum]

only 3 on market

[fresh plover]

there is no reason not to, ye all the duped gold is still on the plate so grab it while u can

[dry halo]

I'm just glad my +5 immolators belt finally sold. I thought for sure it was a wash

[signal jacinth]

Wait is that jungle belt good?

[dry halo]

not to me

[oak elk]

its good for Necro builds that can use it to summon minions

[blazing forum]

yes. sold even 0 lp for nearly a million a week ago

[rare sun]

Its official they “fixed” the gold generation

But now what? MGstill dead tho

[blazing forum]

not just necro. also for speedfarming with t7 traversal cooldown.

[dry halo]

market will return eventually right right?

[blazing forum]

+4 frostclaw and 2lp julras already available again.

[rare sun]

For real?

[split wave]

Not sure, we'll see - probably fair to say EHG doesn't know yet either

[blazing forum]

no clue if the prices will normalize a bit

[blazing forum]

1.5 bil, but yes

[rare sun]

I thought they had rolled back every item sold in the last 72 hours or something

Although this has been going on for a long ass time

[blazing forum]

there's speculation about what they will do. doubt they are rolling back at this point

[dry halo]

Even if they kept the logs, banned the acounts, the damage is already done

[rare sun]

The prices will not normalize for awhile now

Not at least until EHG releases an official update on it and explains something

[fresh plover]

ye the prices will be crazy for a while if not for the end of the cycle, the only way to really reduce duped gold is if ehg bans all dupers

[blazing forum]

wouldn't be surprised if it's until end of cycle and possibly gold cap increase

[rare sun]

Even if they ban all of them, the gold is spread out already…

[fresh plover]

yes but not all of it, is what i mean

so itll reduce the issues a lil

[blazing forum]

cheapest red ring is 900m, most are close to 1.5 bil. how would listing a 1lp make sense now

[rare sun]

I would say at least 25% of MG is at least 2b already without using the gold exploit, just from selling the items they had to these bastards

[fresh plover]

its impossible to increase, since its engine limitation, you will not be able to pick up gold from sold items

[blazing forum]

i would expect that some of the earlier/more excessive accounts have dozens of unclaimed 1.5 bil

[blazing forum]

oh, its engine limits? sick

[dry halo]

introduce diamonds that are worth 1M gold?

[rare sun]

Unclaimed?? All they can do is to buy the items, they can never sell them again

[blazing forum]

yea, there 100% is a workaround

[fresh plover]

wouldnt be surprised if all dupers were selling each other items for 1.5 bil just to keep those unclaimed in mg tab

and then dupe again

[blazing forum]

you can list items
someone else buys it.
and you just leave it unclaimed until you need the gold

[rare sun]

They bought all the items but can never sell them.. its so sad to do this in a video game

[dry halo]

these dupers is smart

[rare sun]

Oh yeah true

[dry halo]

I'm just glad they can't buy and resell. Or the market would completely impossible

[rare sun]

I had already 2 lp 4 good items and several 3 lps all around

[blazing forum]

most crafts fail, makes sense that few people with "infinite" gold ruin the complete inventore of top tier MG items

[ionic forum]

How about after the fix, they cap gold at 100M? That should stabilize the MG right? Cos all the fake money will be maxed at 100M, and all the hoarded items cannot be sold because everyone will be capped at 100M. Hmm.

[rare sun]

But if you get a 4lp then you cant miss the slam

[frail thistle]

just got back from a nice hike whats the update for? dont see any patch notes

[blazing forum]

the rarest items don't exist with 4lp

[rare sun]

Thats not fair at all i had 100 mill way before all this happened

I sol my first 2lp twistes heart for 250mill

[frail thistle]

yea because you duped it

[split wave]

Fixing the gold dupe

[ionic forum]

you mean you actually farmed 100M from the game?

If you SOLD items before and made 200M, this is still fake money

[rare sun]

Ok i guess you right

I always wondered how the hell did someone get 250 mill to spend

[obsidian flare]

sandman is right, even if you didn't do anything wrong yourself, it's likely that you were able to make such big sales because a big chunk of that gold came from exploiters. sad, but it is what it is. I hope EHG is cooking good stuff to sort out such issues. I want things to become healthy 🤞

[ionic forum]

all the initial 250M and 1B and whatever were all duped, when it was all a secret to a few people

[rare sun]

So everyone knew that this was happening and they didnt do anything?

[dry halo]

I like the idea of the market only returning glyphs/runes. So you farm gold the old fashioned way, but if you drop a rare, you get to sell it for runes of ascendance or something

[ionic forum]

it was obvious to everyone including EHG when the first items were bought for 100M... not possible to get in-game gold that fast

[split wave]

Well, inflation was inevitable since gold never leaves the market - up until this past day in particular, there was nothing so extreme that it could have definitely not come from people just playing

[blazing forum]

i think arena key farming on CoF generated pretty fast gold

[cyan halo]

[Off topic] Jokes on me. I accidentally posted a 2 LP near max roll dagger for 20k. Someone bought and flipped it for 4.75 million.

[rare sun]

Oh but you are wrong i sold my twisted heart for 250 mill at least a week ago easy

[obsidian flare]

flipped? didn't know that was also a concern

[ionic forum]

how much per hour?

[split wave]

Items can't be resold, so it was just a new person selling

[blazing forum]

idk, never bothered

[dry halo]

And a week before that it was only 130M

[split wave]

A week ago is still pretty far into the cycle, not totally unreasonable

I'm sure inflation was made worse by RMT people, but the design issue of inflation is there regardless tbh

[dry halo]

Are you trying to believe that the person who revealed the gold exploit was the only person that knew about it and never used it once?

[rare sun]

Only??? There is no way someone had 130mill in a legit way or from selling keys in vendors before nerf! There is just no way, you know how much time that would take?

[split wave]

Nah

[dapper bear]

Thats the dumbest thing I've read in here today and theres been a lot of REALLY dumb takes so far

[split wave]

we also don't know exactly when the exploit was discovered

[split wave]

lol k

[rare sun]

Yeah we know

You can estimate

Since items started selling from over 50 mill

50 mill just using in game ways is almost impossible without selling items

[leaden bay]

You... can't flip.

[raw peak]

How can you flip when you can’t resell faction locked uniques?

[ionic forum]

and 50M is impossible to get in-game in the first few days, when items were already bought

[rare sun]

Its more entertaining to be in this discord than in game right now, thats how bad this is right now

[frail thistle]

immmmmm kinda confused guys, i listed a few random idols for 1.5B and they still havent sold yet what happened to all this yapping about the dupe lol looks like it wasnt legit

[dry halo]

You can get a pretty good idea of what a reasonable amount of gold can be farmed per player by what the CoF players have. <10M. Buying and selling on the market should not yield 1000x more than that

[ionic forum]

yeah I am so disgruntled with all of this, I stopped playing for a bit

[rare sun]

You need to sell the right ones.. they are not just buying garbage

[dry halo]

My idols for 0 gold can't even sell. Yall are trippin

[blazing forum]

maxrolled double hp, 14% frostclaw ü something useful, ...
not that many really expensive idols

[rare sun]

When i was cof i had about 2 mill gold and i was rank 10 woth at least 80 hours in

[rare sun]

Same its just a bad feeling

[raw peak]

You should have had more simply picking gold up and selling to merchant. Especially keys lol

[rare sun]

I did not use the key exploit

[blazing forum]

i think i had 5 mio when swapping from CoF to mg. but wasted a lot on stash tabs and in arbor just top test stuff, cause i thought gold is worthless to me (on CoF) and had not intended to swap

[dry halo]

Not that much more. You also had to buy stashes to keep all of your loot

[rare sun]

I was stashing all my keys

[fresh plover]

ye people are tripping sadly

[frail thistle]

yoooooo i just said screw it lets send my ascend runes on some rings and got a red ring free money babyyyyyy

[blazing forum]

i sold all arena keys, but didnt farm on purpose or use prophecies

[blazing forum]

i'll buy it if you got LP

[frail thistle]

no lp unfort

[rare sun]

You want to buy it with blood money 😉

[rare sun]

Ill buy it anyways

[frail thistle]

how much you offering

[rare sun]

100 mill

[frail thistle]

well the lowest listed on rn is 900 mil lol

[sacred nebula]

why does an item i wanted to sell say "cannot be traded" even though it has no CoF rank next to it

[blazing forum]

that was actually a good price 2 (?) weeks ago

[rare sun]

Ahaha

[rare sun]

That was never a good price.. the system was already rigged

[frail thistle]

if you got it while you were in cof then it cant be traded

[blazing forum]

sold a crappy red ring for 90m, prices even dropped after that

[blazing forum]

true, but i was getting enough rigged money from my drops to buy amazing gear 🙂

[frail thistle]

what even so good about red ring? is it just bc of the all resists?

[blazing forum]

10% dr

[frail thistle]

id meet you in the middle at 450

oh i figured id never hit that many stats lol, 180 is so high

[blazing forum]

also +21 int is quite nice if you hit the slam

[rare sun]

300mill

[blazing forum]

but yea, without lp normal rings can be better

[blazing forum]

some gear makes it pretty easy: my boots give +12 to all stats +16 int... stuff like that helps sooo much

[frail thistle]

oh ok yea if you have an exalted all stats i could see it

wrong reply lol

but dont think id go below 450

[blazing forum]

foot of the mountain with t7 int smalled on

[frail thistle]

my build rn im at 40 int 12 str thats it lol

[rare sun]

350mill and a bis exalt of your choice

[frail thistle]

i just dmed you

[dry halo]

MG stands for Math Geniuses!

Help me work out this math, what is a reasonable upcharge for the legendary 1lp with the affix you want?

So far I've got:
+cost: (cost of 1LP unique) + (cost of exalt) + ( expected gold drop per temporal sanctum run) + (expected value of drops per temporal sanctum run)
-cost: (intrinsic value of 1 temporal sanctum key) + (opportunity cost of time spent running 1 temporal sanctum)
(+cost -cost) x4 + some value in not taking that 4 slam risk. All x (1 + upcharge%)

Who knows the numbers???

[oak elk]

I just go with demand

he wants it he pays for it

[gloomy ember]

trying to do soul fire to skip and lost connection wtf

[granite moss]

what is the point in listing stuff at 1.5bill no one is going to buy that ?

[blazing forum]

i sold 3 items at 1.5 bil in the last 24h so...

[empty talon]

the exploit f'd everything so hard 1.5b isn't even that much anymore

[near hill]

How do you get such a big amount of gold?

[floral hare]

easy solution: cap gold at 100M, the excess can be converted to favor

[winged seal]

Is there a gold cap?

[sacred nebula]

what happens to my listings if i leave mg

[empty talon]

lp2 exsanguinous went from ~15m to 500m

[winged seal]

Cause I am at 2 nil now from sales alone

[royal fog]

This happen on New World game > after that the game dead . so gl boys

[winged seal]

Lmfao its a season based arpg not an mmo

[blazing forum]

bit over 2 bil

[small jay]

Cof will keep me playing. Mg players should have known. Brand new game with little content + gold AH would = disaster

[winged seal]

Assumed so I am on 2 bil from selling stuff so whats happens if I collect the 300 mil waiting for me? does it just not let me?

[empty talon]

probably 2.147.483.647

[winged seal]

So what will happen when I collect this 300 mil from my 2 bil

[blazing forum]

i think it lets you but you dont get anything. just leave it unclaimed until you've spent enough

[granite moss]

so just list stuff at 1.5bill?

[empty talon]

i have seen a screenshot lately of someone trying to claim gold and it just said "you cant claim this gold because you'd exceed the limit"

[oak elk]

@royal fog New World died because it had a Janky game system with no end game. we need to wait and see if LE makes teh same mistake as New World and not add meaning ful end game content.

[winged seal]

I will correct my self I have 2.1 bil to collect now on top of my 2 bil

This is just funny now

[blazing forum]

list stuff at a price ppl might pay. and consider that enough ppl have enough to pay 1.5 bil for GOOD items

[winged seal]

Mission list all my 3 lp items at 1.5 bil and see how much I have tomorrow is a go

[royal fog]

people will buy it in 30 min

[royal fog]

they just buy all 3-4lp in the market even if the iteam bad

[frail thistle]

yea difference is this game is actually fun

[winged seal]

I have just listed 20 of them lets see

[empty talon]

found it https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1bmjuhc/time_to_update_those_datatypes_ehg/

[winged seal]

an 5 of the 20 have sold already lmao

7.5 bil ready to colllllect

[royal fog]

told u

[winged seal]

How come there is so ,much gold?

[blazing forum]

what are you listing?

[winged seal]

wtf happened it was fine yesterday

[empty talon]

gold dupe / method of generating insane amounts. no clue how it worked but it got fixed today

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-hotfix-1-0-5-1/70214

[frail thistle]

how are you even gonna collect all that lol

[winged seal]

Item by item but I now have more gold thjan I need fir ever

[frail thistle]

until they reset all gold tomorrow

[winged seal]

I really hope they do this is stupid

[frail thistle]

you should invest all your gold in stash tabs so that they cant take it away

[winged seal]

But they wont its an arpg itll be fixed and next cycle it will be fixed, gold wont carry over to standard league and itll all be fine

[winged seal]

You sir are a smart man

[woeful ferry]

Convert all gold into stash tabs and fill with gambled items to resell after they reset gold = 4D big brain.

[frail thistle]

securing your assetts, classic business move

[oak elk]

that sounds like too much clicking for me

[woeful ferry]

If it’s fixed why are people still buying 3LP stuff for 1.5B so fast

[narrow plume]

its fixed as in you cant use that method to dupe anymore, but they still have the gold

[empty talon]

cause the damage is already done and the gold is in the economy
they only fixed the dupe

[woeful ferry]

People really gonna spend half their gold cap?

[blazing forum]

what items are you listing at 3lp that they get instabought? 🤔

[robust kelp]

buying is one thing, it require a lot of favors how do you solve that

[split wave]

They may have multiple items sold for billions ready to redeem

[frail thistle]

but also if i was a betting man i would say that dude is full of crap lol

the people who duped arent just waiting around to buy up every single 3lp unique that gets listed lol

[empty talon]

if there was a way to get good boss uniques (lp 2-4) in cof i'd be gone already 🙈

[oak elk]

you KINDA can with rank 5 cof

just kinda

[woeful ferry]

https://imgur.com/wqN4rP9

It sold in about 2 min

[frail thistle]

i could see that item selling that quick

but like even the people that duped, they cant hold over 2.1 bil right?

[river prairie]

Yeah but they don't have to redeem sold items immediately

[woeful ferry]

That's why I was curious, guess they could have multiple sales waiting to redeem

[river prairie]

Spend 2b, redeem more, repeat

Pretty much

[woeful ferry]

But its also not like you can buy and re-sell

[frail thistle]

but they have to get that money in the form as sold items to begin with

unless the dupe was done that way idk

what even was the dupe i guess we can talk about it now right

[river prairie]

I am not sure this exploit today was in fact the dupe

[split wave]

As far as I know, the exploit was with direct trading only, so they would've needed to redeem the money immediately, but then they could use the Bazaar to store infinite by selling trash items to each other and not redeeming

[woeful ferry]

That's good thinking

[frail thistle]

oh yea i guess if you had a buddy to do it with

but at the same time arpg players dont have friends so that drastically reduces the amount of people who could have done it

[woeful ferry]

Also true

[split wave]

It also required a cheat engine afaik

so not so much a bug as a security vulnerability

[frail thistle]

oh wtf

it wasnt just an in game thing

[river prairie]

Yeah there was some third party software involved

[frail thistle]

if they used a cheat engine they should have the cops called on them no questions about it

[quartz shell]

cheating on a video game isnt illegal

[frail thistle]

it could be considered fraud

[left spear]

It’s a buy and hoard all LP3-4 scheme the gold amount is meaningless

[quartz shell]

???????????

[tawny meteor]

get the cyberpolice in here!

[peak depot]

lmao fraud

[empty talon]

I BACKTRACED IT.

[chrome vapor]

Please make the Chinese server independent and separate it. They are the devils of the game. Hacking, bots, and copying are rampant

[small jay]

All games.

[frail thistle]

if they have jurisdiction over something like this then i say yes i agree lets do it!

[empty talon]

Consequences will never be the same.

[frail thistle]

taking advantage of the in game exploit is one thing.. but if you have to download and add the cheat engine in order to manipulate the values and economy then that is 100% fraud and over the line maybe some see it just a funny game haha but cheat engines are too far

[tired edge]

so i guess there really was a "situation" lol

[frail thistle]

allegedly

People still aren’t sure if it is legitimate or just a hoax from the devs

[tired edge]

nah by this point its pretty much confirmed

[blazing forum]

all leading up to april fools day

very elaborate prank

[tired edge]

lol

[civic light]

somebody is manupalating the merchant guild

[frail thistle]

If that’s what this is all about then honestly bravo devs! It’s been since I’ve seen a good April fools operation in gaming

[hardy lance]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohc14lCEdXHSpnnSU

[split wave]

Usually April Fools is done in April lol

[frail thistle]

if you want to succeed at things in life sometimes you gotta show up early to the function to do some preparation, and with tomorrow off for holiday festivities they had to start it up today

[tulip surge]

anyone in hc here?

[unborn niche]

so... i just woke up and found out there was a gold duping exploit

and none of my items got sold 😂

[tired edge]

LOL thats gotta hurt

[frail thistle]

that should probably make you pretty self concious about your skills as a merchant

[tulip surge]

i got over 13 item in hc 😄sold

[tired edge]

your items were soo bad that the gold dupers didnt find you worth buying out xD

[gloomy ember]

funny note. if you teleport to a friend at the same time as they teleport to you, the game crashes

[unborn niche]

🥲

[blazing forum]

wow

[frail thistle]

that makes sense, on a magical level that would be so funky it would prolly crash irl too

[upper mist]

Good to know I am not the only one.

[noble tangle]

I'm honestly thinking of rolling a new character because I'm in too deep in MG with my warlock and I'd lose a bunch of items 😄

[frail thistle]

mg with a destroyed economy is still far better than cof lol

[leaden bay]

Sounds like you just showed the fabric of reality the door lmfao

[blazing forum]

well... to some extend that menas they could just buy the best items on the market and just not bother with the price. so you probably have lots of decentlky priced decent items. just not the 3lp jelkos, 2 lp twisted hearts and whatever meta stuff that got 1.5 bil thrown at them at every opportunity

[fierce kayak]

i mean no1 in mg lookin to get decent items

ur either going for the big bois or ur not

[upper mist]

I feel bad for selling my 2 LP frostbite Shackles for 800M

[fierce kayak]

decent items u already have after 2 days of doing lightless

[fringe gyro]

Warlock steel can run 1000 corruption?

[frail thistle]

if we had an actual normal economy you would be looking for decent items to be holdovers for when you have more gold to get bis

[noble tangle]

Nope, not at 1000 corruption. I'm dying at 100 lmao

[upper mist]

But good for them to drop I guess

[blazing forum]

i'm often running one LP lower than i can afford. so i get the max rolls and slam often enough to get the t7 i want. with infinite gold i would have gone for max rolls on max lp ofc

[fringe gyro]

I'm get to 500, but don't know how to Kill Boss whit 20k Ward 😦

[fierce kayak]

problem is u cant go for max rolls

cause no1 puts them up/they insta bought w all the rmters/exploiters

[noble tangle]

I'm doing a necrotic fissure build

[blazing forum]

luckily i had my gear for a while now. just small improvements here and there now

[fierce kayak]

yeah i mean i've basically been stuck on same gear for 1-2 week+ anyways

cause getting any upgrades means me sitting on MG refreshing instead of playing the game

[fringe gyro]

Me too , I'm UP damage to 100k and 7-20k Ward, but now it's big problem to get better unique LP2 and LP3 can't find in market

[frail thistle]

i just got a 12% ele pen with frost claw + 40% lightning damage idol you think i could sell for 1.5b

[blazing forum]

try. usually ppl want 14% and settle for imperfect dmg

[winged seal]

Yes seeing as I have 9.7 bil in sales waiting for me tro collect

[frail thistle]

it hasnt sold yet

30 more seconds and im gonna freak out

[swift oriole]

I sold a relic today with Weaver's Will for 140m 😬

Trying to find a solid Merchant's Guild loot filter though.

[winged seal]

No point its all dead

[swift oriole]

What do you mean?

[fierce kayak]

just put up every item for 1.5bil

and pray a bot blesses you

thats the mg meta

[winged seal]

Well I have 13.6 bil in sales today of lp2 3 and 4 items

[swift oriole]

I find that inconceivable.

[fierce kayak]

i hope that they let us swap to cof

cause the market is meaningless now cant be fixed

[leaden bay]

You can. Just... take off your MG items and click the leave faction button, then go talk to the COF NPC.

[fierce kayak]

very good idea

[dry halo]

Dude the dupers went for all the obvious BiS. Sell something for 1.5B and the world is your oyster

[swift oriole]

Wish I was in the loop earlier

[winged seal]

Its been like this all day I havnt logged in since

[dry halo]

Unlist all of your good idols and relist them for 1.5B so they can be seen

[winged seal]

Still no dev response either

[leaden bay]

Check #💬┃general , Muffin is working overtime right now and put out a hotfix for the exploit.

[tired edge]

these dupers are so dumb only thinking in the short term

WoW did it better kek

[small jay]

So what someone gets full insane bis gear from some exploit or ehatever.. then what? Sick man you farm 1-3k corruption good for you.. then what?? Bored now. Well that was great

[dry halo]

That's why the guy shared the exploit with everyone, he was done

[winged seal]

I dont see anything for it?

[tired edge]

true

[winged seal]

Has it already been hotfixed doesnt seem like enough if thats it

[fierce kayak]

its already hotfixed apparently

but doesnt matter

ppl are chilling w 10bil+ i doubt they are touching the gold

[winged seal]

So I get to keep my billions from mg or they rolling it back

[fierce kayak]

its not like they are gonna ban the randoms who sold items

all they can do is disable mg

[tired edge]

welp next cycle everyone gets wiped anyway so no long term harm lel

[leaden bay]

We don't know yet, that's gonna have to wait until more of the team is available

[winged seal]

Cause I really dont want 13.6 bil just sat in my mg

[fierce kayak]

i dont see them rolling it back

[winged seal]

Wtf am I going to spend that one gamble over and over

[dry halo]

0% they try to retroactively fix this.

[tired edge]

they dont need to

it fixes itself in like 1-2 months

[fierce kayak]

just deport all the mg players to COF until end of cycle

[blazing forum]

got the gold for the next 20.000 arbor runs 😉

[tired edge]

all they do is stop the exploit and move on

[dry halo]

market was going to reach this point eventually with inflation

[fierce kayak]

cant rly move on

[winged seal]

Thats all I can see to do with it and stash tabs I have just spent 300 mil on those

[tired edge]

them not you

[fierce kayak]

market is unusable until next cycle

[tired edge]

there would be so many genuine people that would get caught up in a rollback so theres no way they would do that

[dry halo]

market still works fine for everyone not at end end end game gear

[blazing forum]

did a bunch of arbors earlier and got nothing

[fierce kayak]

yeah they wont roll back

but if tehy dont then mg is just dead until next cycle

[dry halo]

if they can identify the exploiters, then ban them. Best they can do

[fierce kayak]

so better to atleast offer a free COF transfer

w ur gear

[winged seal]

Doesnt help when people like me solde tons of lp items for the gold its now out there

[blazing forum]

but +4 frostclaws are back on the market, might finally upgrade from my +3

[frail thistle]

all the people suggest free transfers to cof have clearly never played cof lmao

[dry halo]

I want both lol

[winged seal]

I have mg 10 cof at 7

cof seems fun but I get bored quick

[frail thistle]

exactly

[winged seal]

want o just get my build working

[hardy lance]

@blazing forum I'm hopping on now

[dry halo]

cof is fun. just don't grind in super high corruption where you might die before you pick up 20 uniques

[small jay]

Am i the only one who doesnt actually want the gear im chasing? Seriously. I hope it doesnt all drop. Or at least i hope it takes ages.

[hardy lance]

⁉️

[winged seal]

Why gear the toon and then create a new one its how the game works

[tired edge]

thats what i like about this game and CoF ... most builds if you only use 1 or 2 uniques you really dont need LP on them ... but theres still room to grow by getting an LP version of that LPless item

[modest frost]

So if i sell an item for 1.5 bil, I cant redeem it?

[winged seal]

you can

[small jay]

The treadmill is what keeps me loving arpg's. Once the rides over. I stop playing. Then im sad and look for another treadmill

[winged seal]

upto 2.147 bil ax cash at once

[blazing forum]

tomorrow? i'll sleep soon

[modest frost]

it stated to much gold to claim on this listing for my 1.5bil sell

[hardy lance]

Sure thing

[frail thistle]

you dont actually need to pick up any of those uniques bc theyre all 0lp

[tired edge]

meanwhile i like jumping from char to char and building them up ... but then get bored of the process and jump to a new char owo

[glass stone]

What is the gold dupe and why can’t I sell stuff because of it?

[hardy lance]

Funny thing is, in CoF, we actually vendor those

to get gold

if you have space in your inventory when you leave the echo that is cause we be rolling in mediocre gear

[dry halo]

You're forgetting how tight gold is for CoF. 500 gold x20! you know how previous runes of shattering you could buy???

[tired edge]

me storing every lp 0 unique in my stash

[winged seal]

Looking now from earlier prices for 3 lp items seem to be going down again claw for 3lp at 11 mil again

odd

[hardy lance]

Nahh, i only store LP1 if it's rare

anything else is Lp2+ or bust

[frail thistle]

gold for what lol

[tired edge]

lol

[hardy lance]

arbor

or more stash space for more useless gear

[frail thistle]

arbor i hardly know her

[hardy lance]

😂

[frail thistle]

after the stash tab price nerf theyre pretty free

i was hoarding like a mfer lol

[hardy lance]

They blocked the eggplant emoji lol

[hardy lance]

Still costs me 200k per tab

[steep orbit]

so what’s going to happen to mg now that everything’s been bought out

[frail thistle]

lmaoo

[winged seal]

It hasnt 3 lp items are reappearing

[small jay]

Couldnt imagine an MG player ever using arbor and spending millions tbh.. why ? They get all their loot for free

[hardy lance]

@steep orbit it's going russian -- they're doing a commune where everyone gets to share all the loot

are you in, comrade?

[steep orbit]

at ridiculous prices

[winged seal]

Claws are 11 mil to 50 mil prices are fine on 3 lp rn

4 lp are still 1.5 bil

[hardy lance]

Yeah, Arbor is a good sink for CoF -- someone was asking what CoF needs gold for

that's about it really, just arbor

[small jay]

Ive neber had over 400k gold rofl

[steep orbit]

the items for my build are all 1.5b when they used to be 75-100m

[hardy lance]

i have 2.2mil right now in CoF...super rich by CoF standards

haven't been buying anything in a while

[small jay]

You are loaded son!

[hardy lance]

💸

[steep orbit]

time for poe i guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

[small jay]

Im broke. On the corner hustling

[winged seal]

Order low from mhigh?

[steep orbit]

no way for me to farm 1.5bil gold