💰┃merchants-guild

[thorn blaze]

go farm 1.5B favor guy

[hardy lance]

it would also lower prices

[thorn blaze]

is not easy

[hardy lance]

because favor is harder to earn than gold

[tiny spire]

yep

[pearl walrus]

Fun and probably what will be a slightly cooked opinion;

All of these issues are generally solved by capping the prices of items

[ancient cradle]

they will have to redo favor system then, or lowering the favor gained

[fast fjord]

yes

[cursive pine]

Hi why does it seeem to me that all meta build items with decent LP have been bought up form the market? Sorry joining this conversation late

[spare bronze]

huh favor is so easy to get

[ancient cradle]

but that would be a viable option

[spare bronze]

you just do high corruption and done

[ancient cradle]

Yeah but they would need to adjust it

[delicate notch]

hope they also ban the people doing the exploit and ruined it for everyone

[ancient cradle]

But that would get rid of RMT prolly

[hardy lance]

As long as they do it that way, that's probably ok -- but making people that don't touch the MG pay the price would not be great

[cursive pine]

There were 13 pages of 3lp Jelkor daggers yesterday - now there are none left

[ancient cradle]

Well most of it

[fast fjord]

Now everyone has gold from the bug in their hands

[hardy lance]

only MG players

[low prawn]

isnt cooked, is correct, and ive been saying this since week one.

[tiny spire]

1b gold is around 5$ atm

[outer wind]

If you sold a few items for billions then switch to CoF you would have years worth of gold grinding headstart on other legit CoF players

[low prawn]

people with alts.

[spare bronze]

im a COF player and have gold in my hands

[low prawn]

Not isolated to MG players.

[hardy lance]

Yes, those ALTS are MG

[tiny spire]

it will be around 3$ 2$ in the next hours gg

[fast fjord]

If you're a pure COF player, then you certainly haven't been affected by the wave

[hardy lance]

correct

[low prawn]

Thinking peopel didnt make alts to abuse this is naïve as all hell.

[hardy lance]

Thinking everyone wants to exploit a game is naive as hell

[stark tusk]

any1 want to buy Core of the Mountain LP4

[thorn blaze]

you need to spend time in game for reach high corrupt, so you got rewarded for your playing time with favor trading

and not for your mastercard or glitch practice

[ancient cradle]

And ''pure'' MG players has only been affected negatively

[spare bronze]

not necessarily true. you can join a friends party that is high corruption without pushing it yourself. i do this all the time on my alts when they are geared

[ancient cradle]

Those who have farmed for days to get a better piece to now realise that all their hard work and farming was for nothing are the ones who has gotten the small end of the stick overall

[river kernel]

MG is dead

[thorn blaze]

how myou make per day ? in corrupt 2000 maybe 200-300k favor day with a descent playing time ? imagine a 3 lp for 5M....

[spare bronze]

and previously before they fixed the exp while immune, you could leapfrog and gain lots of favor, altho that is kind of mute but you can still do it if you follow closely

[ancient cradle]

u would need to make favor tradeable by auction tho

otherwise the items u sell are useless

[pearl walrus]

This is what needs to happen:
-24 hour rollback
-Patch the bug (literally integer overflow catch not applying, easy fix)
-RMTers that they have been logging (you know they have because they have been watching trade logs and ensuring people w/ legit gold are legit) get banned
-Bug abusers confirmed get banned

if this isn't what they do

no point to stay MG

[hardy lance]

Or just disable the mg until the end of the season

[ancient cradle]

otherwise is just basically CoF without proph

[pearl walrus]

okay what's the trade off then?

you gotta code in the tags to change to COF

[spare bronze]

theres no way you make that little, im at 1100 corruption and easily make more than that or the same. guess it depends what you spend your time doing, grinding or talking 🤣

[pearl walrus]

cause you know ppl will wanna go COF

because the people that ultimately aren't able to blast high ass corruption or wanna continue to play

[hardy lance]

Let them. There's no gold sinks in CoF except for arbor and tabs.

[pearl walrus]

that's fine then

i agree w/ that

if they wanna scorch earth it, that's cool

[spare bronze]

im fine with disabling MG, its dead already lol

[fierce kayak]

yea

[low prawn]

scorched earth is the absolute worst approach they can take here

[fierce kayak]

gimmi a COF swap ticket

get me out

[pearl walrus]

scorched earth is all relative tho

[spare bronze]

swap to COF at the same rank of your MG rank

[tiny spire]

we’ll have to see what they do, it’s out of our hands, despite all the chatter and suggestions

[wicked umbra]

this guy really said "roll back my cof character one day? do you understand how upset that would make people? completely disable MG instead"

[pearl walrus]

if they said "hey we're turning off MG but you get to go COF for the season and keep all your MG tagged items" i'd be okay w/ that

but to others, that might not be okay.

[wicked umbra]

now that's internet wisdom

[spare bronze]

i have one character in MG that would love this LOL

[hardy lance]

One day wouldn't fix the problem dude.

[ancient cradle]

Yeah but the issue with that is that all the bug abusers still benefit from it

[spare bronze]

turn all the MG tags to COF tags hahaha

[pearl walrus]

you're not going to have a happy crowd here no matter what

[wicked umbra]

you can talk all you want phdaemon, I've been reading this channel for an hour. your perspective is absolutely bonkers. a one day rollback would be fine.

[thorn blaze]

can be but in any case it will be the ratio of your playing time and your power, so the reward system will be there. After the price it is not for me to judge

[spare bronze]

down the line, they can ban the abusers on case by case

[ancient cradle]

yeah ik

[tiny spire]

-Disable bazaar
-Open gifting LP and exalted items with golden resonance until the next cycle
-Ban not only SELLERS, also BUYERS!

• Remove the gold who take action in 24 hours in bazaar

[ancient cradle]

They won't have time for that

[tiny spire]

these are the needs

[wicked umbra]

the fact that your alternative is to completely disable MG is honestly hilarious

[pearl walrus]

morally speaking, catering to bug abusers isn't a good idea, but they are still humans at the end of the day

[tiny spire]

🙂

[hardy lance]

One day rollback wouldn't fix anything.

[wicked umbra]

absolutely, but disabling MG would fix everything right?

[fast fjord]

My concern is that a lot of gold can be used to swipe a lot of gear with no light, runes

[ancient cradle]

It will take up way to much time for their small team whilst trying to generally improve the game and preparing next cycle

[hardy lance]

If you've been reading youd see the problem has been around for a while.

[spare bronze]

still an option if they want to explore it

[wicked umbra]

clearly

[ancient cradle]

Nope, not if they want to keep 75% of their playerbase

[wicked umbra]

haha disable mg. amazing.

[ancient cradle]

who enjoy MG as a concept

[fierce kayak]

mean

[fast fjord]

Sometimes all it takes is someone watching the dc to spot a problem, doesn't it?

[fierce kayak]

u aint gonna be enjoying it anymore probably

LOL

i havnt enjoyed mg for weeks

[wicked umbra]

disabling mg would easily be the stupidest possible decision to make in response to this issue

[fierce kayak]

u cant see any good items

and everything decent is sniped instantly

cause of gold cap

[wicked umbra]

unless they're trying to burn down the company and sell it for insurance money or something (obviously not a real thing)

[spare bronze]

agreed i shifted all my characters back to COF

except for 1

[fierce kayak]

i would but i cant be bothered swapping and regearing

[hardy lance]

People have been trading billions of gold for weeks, even more than a month

[fast fjord]

This was said a long time ago, but no one cared, did they

[spare bronze]

yeah it was a PIA but its all good, gave me something to grind

[ancient cradle]

u can't compare the gold inflation that has gradually increased since start to this

[hardy lance]

Should they roll back a month?

[wicked umbra]

a day would be fine, regardless of how much you pontificate about it

[fast fjord]

Might as well just start a new season with new content, I'm definitely for it!

[fierce kayak]

tru LOL

[hardy lance]

People talking like rolling back a day would fix it.

😂

[wicked umbra]

shutting down over half of the game, and the half that appeals to a significant portion of ARPG players, would obviously not be fine

unless you want the game to fail? is that your goal?

[fast fjord]

unlikely

[desert venture]

Things got bad in the last 24 hours - you address that ASAP and then figure out the rest. Saying you can't do a 1 day rollback because the problem was hidden for longer is like saying you can't punish the murderers you know about because there are more out there.

[pearl walrus]

if they dont rollback or shut down MG

i'd likely just keep the 1b

swap to COF

and go slam arbor for like

a day

[ancient cradle]

with what gear?xd

[pearl walrus]

I was COF before is wapped

[spare bronze]

im literally doign that lol swapped to COF with my MG gold and gambling in lightless

[pearl walrus]

i have a set for swapping back

[fast fjord]

I don't believe they can pinpoint all the gold merchants, maybe they might ban some normal players, which would be another big problem then

[ancient cradle]

ah fair, i don't

[wicked umbra]

listen, CoF is fine for people who like it. but for people who like progression and have lives, it's awful. the game would be absolutely torpedoed if they shut down MG

[pearl walrus]

lol

yeah

[fast fjord]

yes

[pearl walrus]

i also tend to save jenk items that wont sell

that ik i'd use to swap back w/

[spare bronze]

wdym lightless is a cake walk

[wicked umbra]

inflation and RMT will be an issue. that's going to continue. the market was functional 24 hours ago. it's really as simple as that.

[ancient cradle]

yeah true

[wicked umbra]

was it perfect? obviously not

[ancient cradle]

yeah true

[spare bronze]

thats how i re-geared in COF

lightless bb

[winged seal]

lol what has happened? just logged in and saw the hundreds of messages

[fast fjord]

With 40,000 people online, the daily gold output won't be too big

[ancient cradle]

the inflation and rmt was a combination of hyper meta builds made by ytubers and rmt pumping prices

[outer wind]

Meanwhile the COF players who didn't take advantage of the inflated gold market can barely run lightless arbor because they don't have the gold for it. Seems fair

[wicked umbra]

yeah big inflation was largely contained to meta items before, it was frustrating but not unworkable. a lot changed overnight.

[outer wind]

I mean you can run it but you can't gamble nearly as much as people sitting on billions of gold

[fast fjord]

yes

[ancient cradle]

yeah i mean its obviously possible, i just cba doing it to get worse gear than i got now on 3 chars that i have grinded for since start

[fierce kayak]

i mean its scuffed for mg too

[ancient cradle]

it would take me to end of cycle to get similar

[pearl walrus]

yeah COF is definitely objectively worse

there's not doubt about that one

[fierce kayak]

my 3k corruption makes 5% of what lightless would make me in the same span of time

[pearl walrus]

lol

[wicked umbra]

cof just doesn't work for people who can't play all day. the progression is too slow and the game is overall kinda boring at the mid-high end because of newness

[fierce kayak]

prob 1%

its literally a waste of time to do anything except lightless

cause of this

[wicked umbra]

if you can enjoy cof, more power to you. it's not for everybody though.

[fast fjord]

Without inflated gold, COF and MG players wouldn't be able to gamble so lavishly.

[spare bronze]

understandable, i was at COF rank 10 enjoyer prior to MG. so swap was easier

[pearl walrus]

yeah if you literally get exalted and dupe/trip you'd make like 20m an hour or some sht

[fierce kayak]

way more

[low prawn]

WAY MORE

[ancient cradle]

yeah i wasn't, I enjoy the gold farming and the high from getting a good item i can sell to further improve my own

[low prawn]

caps

[fierce kayak]

u can easily make 20m a run

[pearl walrus]

fair

hm

[fierce kayak]

i prob made like 1bil+ today in 2-3 hrs

w sum rng

[ancient cradle]

instead of just stashing 90% of the stuff i find bc its not for my build

[fierce kayak]

hell 1 relic rng

is insta 1 bil

[pearl walrus]

do i swap COF and assume they will just not rolback

or

do i go farm arbor

and stack more gold for now

[woeful ferry]

I wouldn't even play atm

[winged seal]

What is going on with arbor?

[woeful ferry]

They are going to have to rollback

[spare bronze]

the high works in both departments. dropping red rings and LP3-4 in COF when i returned.

[ancient cradle]

what for, u won't be able to buy anything useful either way

[low prawn]

I got my gold from lucky srops, and used it to min max probably one of the best disintegrate builds out there, as well as create vcariants for it, and created / test multiple other builds. The whole point and spirit of an arpg.

[waxen cape]

someone hacking gold. should shut down Bazaar

[low prawn]

If the MG didnt exist, id have never been able to do this

[ancient cradle]

Yeah, i just enjoy the trading in any game i play

in PoE i enjoyed flipping small items for a marginal profit

[pearl walrus]

found the guy who decided to not scroll up in literally any of the chats lmao

[spare bronze]

yea i CBA to do that, that sounds way too tedious. different strokes. i prefer to play the game and build, not bought

[ancient cradle]

it just opens up ways to play the game in different

[pearl walrus]

i'm all for rolling back a day to undo SOME of the acute damage but

[ancient cradle]

Yeah its just personal preff and how u want to get geared

[pearl walrus]

i have no faith that they will actually roll back in a meaningful or timely manner

every minute that we sit here and debate

[ancient cradle]

both should be valid and possible

[pearl walrus]

the less likely they are to rollback

[fierce kayak]

yeah i mean its probably 2 late

[desert venture]

That phdaemon guy now trying to get #⭕┃circle-of-fortune people to brigade this chat

[fierce kayak]

am pretty sure best they can do is disable mg completely

[ancient cradle]

yeah he cringe af

[desert venture]

Acting like only MG players could abuse the gold dupe

[ancient cradle]

sweaty loner

[pearl walrus]

im telling you, they disable MG, and code in swaps to COF

[pearl walrus]

THIS WAS MY ARGUMENT

like

you KNOW there are cof players who have done this

to go slam arbor

[pastel fox]

I guees they will shut down MG 2-3 hours from now. It will be off until they fix the dupe bug. Then turn it on again. Everyone gets to keep what they have.

[pearl walrus]

like it's not rocket science lmfao

[ancient cradle]

yeah 100%

[pearl walrus]

the blizzard approach

[hardy lance]

No, just letting them know the hot takes people are posting here

[fierce kayak]

yaa if they do that its doomed for mg

its already been doomed

[outer wind]

It's a holiday weekend. it could be days before anything gets done

[pearl walrus]

exactly why it was so long before it popped up in an acute manner

people knew that they wouldnt react to it this weekend quickly enough

we also know where it likeyl originated too. if it just started popping up during EU/Asia hours

[ancient cradle]

Haha its weird how some ppl literally spend alot of time trying to exploit bugs

[pastel fox]

Some do it for a living 🙂

[winged seal]

Its cause gold sell my man

[ancient cradle]

and not bringing it to devs attention but to release it to the public

[ancient cradle]

sure but why leak it then

[winged seal]

Someone else finds out thats why

[ancient cradle]

would be shite for ur personal profit

yeah and same story there

[pastel fox]

Thing with pirates and bandits, they always end up in-fighting, and everyone gets blown

[ancient cradle]

yup

dummies

they should attend a economics 1o1 class

[wicked umbra]

I think the first lesson is "don't try to make a living selling gold in video games"

Instead, sell gold to boomers advertising on Fox News. Much more profitable.

[fresh plover]

LMFAO ALL 3LP EXHANG FONE

🤣

game is a joke

[ancient cradle]

haha well there's a shite ton of money in it, but they should keep their secrets to themself or there's no money to be made

[hardy lance]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/gold-dupe-bug/67156/7

https://steamcommunity.com/app/899770/discussions/0/6051221329348583910/?ctp=2

Etc. But yeah, 1 day rollback will fix it. ^ Are just like, 2 random results from the top of the google page....

If you google gold buying, you'll see they've been abusing this bug for a long time too

[tiny spire]

dont worry, they will sell items if they disable gold trading, rmt finds its own way.

[fresh plover]

im so glad that it finally happening

ehg ignored it for a month

[wicked umbra]

The bug was introduced in the recent patch

As described by the person who published the exploit

[fresh plover]

there were other bugs before that 🙂

literally from the start of the season

[wicked umbra]

And there'll be more bugs in the future, what's your point?

[ancient cradle]

Maybe so, but now when everyone knows about it, they should just fix the bug, reset to when it was manageable

aka 1-2 days ago

[hardy lance]

So ignore the problem, got it

[fresh plover]

my point that game is a buggy mess

[ancient cradle]

Nope, the MAIN problem would be fixed

[wicked umbra]

Let's shut down cof completely, that'll fix it

Amirite

[ancient cradle]

the gold will still be inflated for the rest of the cycle, but not to this degree

And then next cycle its fixed from the start

[hardy lance]

Look, if they can rollback only players with MG or MG alts, cool -- but rolling everyone back via a database snapshot, that sucks

[wicked umbra]

Yeah whoda thunk that the outcome of this situation would be that something sucks

[ancient cradle]

Sure, it would take way more time probably tho no?

And they would have to gamble that no CoF players has abused it

[hardy lance]

and it still wouldn't fix the problem -- items were going for billions already weeks ago

[ancient cradle]

and just swap to MG after to use the gold

yeah, but that were VERY rare items

[low prawn]

snapshot prevents further damage from being done

[wicked umbra]

Phdaemon really is the worst kind of troll

A concern troll

[low prawn]

waiting until they can selectively target the MG and or alts allows for more damage to be done

[hardy lance]

Shutdown MG until it can be fixed then

[low prawn]

common practice in coding and programming is to do whatever is fastest to prevent more damage

You do not want it to cascade beyond control

[spice valve]

Oh, this is more of a hack than a dupe from the looks of it.

[winged seal]

Im guessing this explains why an item I listed for stupid gold sold almost instantly

[hardy lance]

• Disable MG
• Fix problem
• Rollback players impacted by the fix, not everyone
• Enable MG

[wicked umbra]

Rollback only phdaemon

[glass narwhal]

its just season1, chill guys

[hardy lance]

Sure buddy, i'm the troll

[wicked umbra]

Two weeks, straight to jail

[ancient cradle]

Sure if they had the resources of diable or poe then that would be viable. Just seems like it would take way longer and they would lose a high amount of player base during that time

[wicked umbra]

Just keep suggesting that they shutdown mg for no reason, people will understand your credibility

[low prawn]

disabling the MG doesnt solve the problem though, theres still trillions upon trillions of gold in cirulatino that shouldnt be, items that shouldnt be in peoples possessions etc. And taking too long to " fix " it while MG is disabled allows people to RMT all the gold they got from the bug....

[pearl walrus]

Imma keep it a buck, literally every minute we debate this they just are going to rollback

[ancient cradle]

Just fixing the problem the fastest way possible would be best in the long run (for this season atleast)

no?

[low prawn]

This. If they dont do a rollback.... they are kinda nuts

[hardy lance]

wouldn't disabling trading until a fix is in place address that too?

[ancient cradle]

Then MG is completely locked tho, and for how long?

days, weeks?

[wicked umbra]

The goal here is to allow people to start playing again with trust that their time won't be wasted. Every minute ticking by dooms this cycle to a worse outcome.

[glass narwhal]

just let the season 1 end then all the gold would be useless , so just enjoy now

[hardy lance]

The game is still playable even with the MG disabled until the problem is fixed

[desert venture]

#3 on that list doesn't seem easy - but would be nice to have an official statement from the EHG team on this massive issue

[wicked umbra]

Forcing people to play cof isn't how you keep the game alive

[ancient cradle]

its like CoF without proph

[desert venture]

Not like whatever we're saying in this chat will change the result

We're all just speculating right

[ancient cradle]

They would need to set a time frame of when its fixed

[hardy lance]

rolling back CoF players because of the mess MG players made is also a crap take, no matter how you paint it

[wicked umbra]

Yeah obviously this is just a bunch of banter

[glass narwhal]

yeah

[ancient cradle]

RMT* players

[desert venture]

I dunno, I'd rather save the MG community and cause a minor amount of pain to COF if that's what it comes down to

[wicked umbra]

Nobody is listening to phdaemon for strategic game design philosophy

[elder silo]

RIP the game, I have been enjoying it for a month then suddenly everything ruined

[hardy lance]

Yeah, ofc that's the feeling that most people here have, but i'm the troll :S

[desert venture]

But yeah would be nice to have a fix that is surgical enough to only affect/punish people who participated

[delicate notch]

hope they announce if they will do a roll back on trades, or bazaar transaction or even on everything etc. so people have an idea and plan accordingly

[wicked umbra]

Yes, obviously this is the best course for anybody who wants the game to continue being successful

[low prawn]

No, no it isnt for a SIGNIFICANT chunk of the playerbase that runs more than one build, or lieks to theorycraft, which is AGAIN the whole point ogf an arpg.

[tiny spire]

Really hope they get a good grip on all the abuses for the next season at least. Kinda painful to switch to CoF when you have 4 chars sitting in MG

[low prawn]

MG is legit the only real way to enable this

[ancient cradle]

Well democracy and majority rules etc

[elder silo]

not gonna coming back if they dont rollback this disaster

[glass narwhal]

there wont be rollbacks , since this is a seasonal thing.

[hardy lance]

is there a majority of MG players? Do you have those numbers?

[ancient cradle]

1+1=3?

[wicked umbra]

I'm told phdaemon is the only person who plays cof

[hardy lance]

👍

[wicked umbra]

Mox told me

[hardy lance]

NGL, this did make me laugh 😂

[desert venture]

We're less than 24 hours after the exploit was made public and almost all high impact LP3/4 items are gone

[ancient cradle]

I can pretty much guarantee more ppl playing MG than CoF

[wicked umbra]

Everybody else in the other channel is just a sockpuppet!

[split wave]

This isn't a democracy, EHG will do whatever they think is best

[ancient cradle]

just as i can guarantee ppl who play CoF has abused the bug aswell

[desert venture]

Giga depressing to even play MG right now

[hardy lance]

In all seriousness, we all like this game, We all play it, and we all have different play styles.

[tiny spire]

I remember there was a post or interview once where they said it's roughly a 50/50

[ancient cradle]

yeah no point

[hardy lance]

It sucks when one play style affects another

[wicked umbra]

I wouldn't be happy about a rollback

I hate wasting my time

[delicate notch]

whatever EHG decides to do, it will probably affect innocent players.

"The actions of the few, ruin it for the many" holds true unfortunately.

[hardy lance]

Maybe they have solutions that are better than anything we've proposed

[wicked umbra]

I hope so

[ancient cradle]

Well its their job, so hopefully

[desert venture]

Have they responded to the issue somewhere yet

[wicked umbra]

Not afaik

[hardy lance]

Not yet

[ancient cradle]

no

[tiny spire]

this is all mass speculation until EHG acts or puts out an announcement

[pearl walrus]

there is literally

no speculation

tf

lol

[desert venture]

[pearl walrus]

it's deeply rooted in evidence

[ancient cradle]

would prob have to wait till tomorrow or tuesday

[pearl walrus]

you can CLEARLY see there is an exploit

and it's already been explained

[winged seal]

Im supprised devs have said nothing

[pearl walrus]

we're not

holiday weekend

[hardy lance]

@pearl walrus the speculation is the approach to fix the problem

[delicate notch]

it hink what they meant is what EHG will do is the spculation

[pearl walrus]

weekend in general

[hardy lance]

no one is saying the bug is speculation

[tiny spire]

I hope they perma ban everyone who abused it and also the spam bots xD

[pearl walrus]

OH

okay i misunderstood

sorry

[desert venture]

Quick everybody change factions!

[ancient cradle]

Yeah, but thats a secondary fix

[wicked umbra]

Quick everybody band together and develop a NEW ARPG by the players for the players, and we'll get it right this time!!!

[ancient cradle]

And to manage RMT they would have to have a bigger team i think, some ppl who can monitor it etc

[delicate notch]

quick let's play helldivers 2. i keep hearing good things

[hardy lance]

We'll call it "Previous Epoch"

[wicked umbra]

Haha

[ancient cradle]

or ''Current Epoch''

[tiny spire]

there is no explanation even from the devs lol

[torn gate]

It's like the 1st paladin on the ladder who comes out of nowhere and surpasses the 2nd by more than 500 waves with astonishing stuff. = Exploit gold full 3/4 lp bis.

[ancient cradle]

Since Last Epoch sounds doomed xd

[hardy lance]

When did that happen?

[wicked umbra]

This is a big lift in terms of pr/comms response blah blah also a holiday weekend

[torn gate]

A few days

[hardy lance]

^ 100%

if the distribution really is 50/50, they can't put out a haphazard message out there. It needs to be well thought out.

[tiny spire]

In regards to the spamers they could prolly implement an autoban feature if an account got smth like 10 reports in a minute. Revertible through an appeal process

[dense sluice]

this is so incredibly easy to abuse

[tiny spire]

You mean against players or by the bots?

[dense sluice]

both

[wicked umbra]

I'm less interested in anybody getting punished and more interested in just having the game be playable

[dense sluice]

^

[hardy lance]

I think punishments if any, should be after the fact

tbh, i couldn't care less

[wicked umbra]

Not sure punishment really helps much

[hardy lance]

yep

[ancient cradle]

Yeah but they are pretty useless

ppl just go to known sites

not random unreadable spams

[hardy lance]

if someone cheated to get BiS gear, then it is what it is

they're just not as good a player

[ancient cradle]

yeah its a secondary problem imo

Firstly make both factions playable xd

[tiny spire]

How you gonna fix the gold/item dupe issue though once transactions have happened? You can't rollback you can't trace the gold etc. Once it's done, it's done

[rare sun]

What the hell is going on in the market?? I woke up and all items are booming out of nowhere.. everything is jacked up??

Did someone hack the mg bazar??

[hardy lance]

Grinding CoF for LP3s has been sweaty as F. And I just got my LP3 ladle yesterday, along with a ton of other gear. So I really hope they don't roll back my character

[wicked umbra]

Bug exploit, waiting on a fix

Yeah I don't envy the cof grind

[hardy lance]

i have no connection to MG at all -- but a snapshot would undo all my work

[ancient cradle]

Me neither, cba seing all the ''good drops'' for another build

[hardy lance]

if the distro is 50/50, i hope they come up with something decent to for an approach

[ancient cradle]

Yeah it would, and i understand the frustration, but if thats their best solution that will solve the issue the fastest its probably for the better

[dense sluice]

wil be waiting a while 😄

[ancient cradle]

rather than alot of ppl being in here typing than enjoying the game

poorly worded, hopefully u understand my point

[tiny spire]

CoF at lvl 10 shouldn't be too bad. Only issue I currently see is getting good bases & exalts. But then again with the current market developments I can forget about ever getting a t6/t7 frostclaw in a Twisted Heart

[rare sun]

But are they duping gold or the items themselves?

[dawn finch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[dense sluice]

gold, instructions are on reddit

[rare sun]

Because how can you take all those items from the market in a few hours??

[hardy lance]

That's the thing, if the distribution is 50/50 then i don't think that would be the best approach. Because it would impact 50% of players that had nothing to do with the bug and undo all their efforts

I get what you're saying -- i'm just hoping there's a better approach

[wicked umbra]

EHG has the interests of the player at heart I think, so there's that at least

[ancient cradle]

Yeah i completely agree it would suck

i think 80-90% of ppl has not abused the bug, so it would be awful for the majority but atleast its fixed

[hardy lance]

If the community at large doesn't care about punishing - then patching the bug and moving forward would also be another solution

[uncut river]

Would wiping everyone who gain a sudden increase in gold would fix some issues? Lime players who gain a billion randomly.

[ancient cradle]

yeah

[spice valve]

I definitely don't support a rollback.

[languid brook]

I found the chinese video on reddit, but you can't see anything in the tiny vid. How are people supposed to confirm this is real and not just someone making it up?

[hardy lance]

It's real

[tiny spire]

The only quick fix I currently see is disabling MG completely, have everyone who has currently MG get the same rank in CoF and have the Favor transferred, all current MG items are also usable in CoF

[ancient cradle]

Just that the RMTers gold will be really high

[pearl walrus]

The evidence is clear. MG is bought out heavy

there's an exploit

[dense sluice]

theres another reddit post that details what causes it

[pearl walrus]

also, elephant in the room, gold prices for RMT went down too. about 50%-60% overnight

[desert venture]

Yikes the translated comment from the person who reported the exploit is pretty depressing: https://imgur.com/M6c41Nr

[torn gate]

Last night I managed a bis 3lp wand, if they rollback, I will unistall, clearly.

[languid brook]

Okay, those two things are something that would substantiate it alot more.

[dense sluice]

I mean, theres a reason people who have been palying the game for years, have constantly viewed support as a pointless thing to reach out to. Exploits int he past have been left unadressed/unresponed to. Since 1.0 it's been somehwat similar, at least in ever hearing back about stuff reported. Sadly this isn't that much of a suprise (the comment from the guy), but would have been nice to see approach/priority chagne for release

[hardy lance]

It looks like someone posed as EHG support

[ancient cradle]

damn thats rough

[desert venture]

Yeah, I'm taking that part with a grain of salt, but he also reported it on forums and in-game

[hardy lance]

Well, it would explain how the exploit got leaked

[dense sluice]

'at the same time i reached out to the forums, submitted bugs on the official technical support page' unless someone got him a spoofed version of the website, and he only clicked on that link

[ancient cradle]

Yeah i mean he kinda forced their hand

(hopefully) xd

unless they ignore it and watch their game burn

[mild forge]

/insert "it's not about the money, it's about sending a message" quote

[hardy lance]

he says he asked around to contact someone directly

[low prawn]

Heres how i see it.

[dense sluice]

both things can be true, perhaps read the entire post

[hardy lance]

I did read the entire post

[pearl walrus]

what post?

reddit or official?

[hardy lance]

No, it's the guy that claims to have made the video (showing the exploit)

[pearl walrus]

oh

[low prawn]

No rollback = MG is perma screwed. MG being perma screwed = goodbye easy buildcrafting to those of us that do use it for such ( buildcrafitng being integral to an arpg ) And further means that my only option for gearing would be to swap to CoF. Which, also means i cant use literally any of my gear.

[torn gate]

where ?

[hardy lance]

https://imgur.com/M6c41Nr

@desert venture posted it i think

[desert venture]

Yeah it's in a comment from the Reddit thread OP

[ancient cradle]

ok time to eat some kebab and watch a movie

[pearl walrus]

omg it spread cus of social engineering?

humans are doomed

[dense sluice]

?

[hardy lance]

🍢

[dense sluice]

it spread cus ehg never did anything after the dude posted to forums about it, and dude was like 'well, if you arent gonna fix it then i guess ill post it'

[pastel marlin]

wtf happened this morning

[pearl walrus]

OH okay i misunderstood

[pastel marlin]

Does anyone have a link to proof of the dupe? I scrolled so far up

Couldn’t find anything

[hardy lance]

[dense sluice]

i mean, wait until people share how to speedhack, or pick mastery at will

this is literally the tip of the iceberg imo

[pastel marlin]

Do you have the link?

I’m tryna find it

[dense sluice]

...you got linked the post

just read it

[pastel marlin]

I don’t see it

[hardy lance]

He wants to find the exploit @dense sluice

for reasons...

[dense sluice]

go to reddit and look at the other thread about gold? this is incredibly not hard to find info on

oh mods took it down lmao

i wonder if actual mods, or the ehg team that are all still mods even though they handed it over

[spare bronze]

"for reasons" omegalol

[low prawn]

So yeah, no rollback = game dies to me, and i think many others

[fresh plover]

proof is check market, all valueable items literally GONE

[hardy lance]

👋

[pastel marlin]

was it an actual step by step on how to do the dupe or actual proof like a video of the dupe and proof it persisted through sessions and zones?

[torn gate]

just season 1

[pastel marlin]

or was it just another "look at the economy of course theres a dupe"

[low prawn]

which is another two wohle months

[languid brook]

They can't rollback everyone. That would be Collective punishment.

[fresh plover]

step by step

[spice valve]

The game would need to be rolled back to the release of 1.0 then, as this exploit has been abused by RMT since at least then.

[spare bronze]

just watch the video

[low prawn]

and would establish how they react moving forward

[pastel marlin]

i cant find it

im asking for a link hahaha

[leaden wharf]

It is just a day, it does not matter too much

[pastel marlin]

nobody linkin

[spare bronze]

bruh its linked

[pastel marlin]

tytyt

[spare bronze]

or you know use this thing called google

[pastel marlin]

oh thats deleted

[hardy lance]

To you. And it's been around for longer than a day

[pastel marlin]

brother, mods deleted it

[torn gate]

deleted

[spare bronze]

LOL tru

[leaden wharf]

The market was okay till today. Rollback the game, and ban the abusers. Done

[spare bronze]

i still have it cached xD

[leaden wharf]

The market till today was ok

[hardy lance]

So, because the market was messed up, CoF has to pay. Here we go again lol

[dense sluice]

Nah valiseer is right to go on this angle, all of here, and in the general chat, and on reeddit, are all collectively working a bit to troll them exclusively

[crisp swallow]

Looks like they balanced mg to cof 🤣

[languid brook]

To me it matters ALOT. I have zero chars that joined MG. I have Solo char found i played today. It would make me mad AF if i get punished for something someone else did.

[spare bronze]

yea you have it cached, it must have just been removed

[fresh plover]

ah

[pastel marlin]

i cant D:

[fresh plover]

ye they deleted it

[leaden wharf]

It happens

[hardy lance]

Lol.

[crisp swallow]

Gl mg players

[leaden wharf]

This is a new game, you should have expected it

[crisp swallow]

Gl to devs too

[leaden wharf]

Chill out

[crisp swallow]

Every option they have is bad

[hardy lance]

I mean, shutting down the MG would also fix it no?

[leaden wharf]

This always happens in the first year of every game with a market place

[low prawn]

" New game " with 3 years of early access and a 40$ price tag during?

[hardy lance]

It happens.

[leaden wharf]

Yeah, like they will do it lmao

[languid brook]

Yes, delete MG, much better 😈

[pastel marlin]

"This is worse than duping. This is literally memory editing of P2P trade values, using negative values to generate arbitrary gold. Full denial of an exploit existing on these forums coping hard as white knights for the developers; 'bro I can farm 500m a day slaving for 8 hours with my bugged build on 3000 corruption!'

tl;dr

Trade with player, input a value, memory edit that value into a negative (for example negative 1 billion in the video), complete trade. Poof, now you are a billionaire."

from a reddit comment

wait

was it literally just using cheat engine

[split wave]

As far as I can tell, it's not just some bug. It's a server vulnerability being exploited.

[leaden wharf]

This wasnt popular lmao. It went popular only after 1.0

[pearl walrus]

no

[low prawn]

Its an integer overflow exploit.

[pearl walrus]

it's an interger overflow exploit essentially not catching correctly.

[low prawn]

to an extent.

[pastel marlin]

man that woulda been so funny

[hardy lance]

It's an overflow

[dense sluice]

to be fair, it beign a new game only works as an excuse if it doesnt follow a trend of behaviour/approach, from before 1.0 (as the game was in early access for years)

[split wave]

That overflow is created by a cheat engine, though, is it not?

[pastel marlin]

"just use cheat engine and edit the hex to an negative number to overflow"

[hardy lance]

No.

[pastel marlin]

woulda been hilarious

[languid brook]

They had integer overflow bug in Arbor with gold, but that's patched ages ago. But if they never patched the foundational issue...

[hardy lance]

Basically it's not doing input validation to ensure that any value sent is within bounds

[crisp swallow]

This will kill the cycle

[leaden wharf]

Yeah but ea doesnt count. Players didnt care enough to cheat in it

[mild forge]

are there any exalted items left at least or should we not even bother?

[fresh plover]

only bad one's

or off meta

[crisp swallow]

Its completely borked

[dense sluice]

exploits were definitely reported to them during early access, and there was a lack of responses about it when done in anyway that wasnt just posting it publicly

[leaden wharf]

Dont bother untill they fix this. Aa what you will do, will most likely be reverted

[crisp swallow]

The cycle is done

[pastel marlin]

is this link real..? so it wasnt an exploit? it was a hack?

[leaden wharf]

Well, if so, we should just leave the game lmao

[crisp swallow]

Theres no good way out of it

[pearl walrus]

gonna take my 1b and go vibe out on COF

lol

[river kernel]

most meta/rare items are gone, the rest is untouched

[leaden wharf]

If they didnt care, they wont care

[pearl walrus]

might as well

[fresh plover]

dont think they are capable of reverting anything, we have cof players but regardless of those dont think its possible

[pastel marlin]

well, an exploit... but actually running some code that caused an overflow in trade window

is that what it was?

[mild forge]

time to see what my level 95 COF OG lad is doing

[crisp swallow]

Hes chillinh

Mg is dead

So is the cycle

[split wave]

That's what it seems to be

[river kernel]

I'll just go back CoF but I'm curious how many people will quit this week

[pastel marlin]

99% of the stuff reported to them was just idiots not knowing what theyre talking about, and only actual dupe that was reported to them was hotfixed like 3 hours after it was reported

[crisp swallow]

This has been going on atleast since launch

It just blew over because it was made public

[pastel marlin]

proof?

[dense sluice]

🙂

[languid brook]

So it's similar to this, just with actual gold to get out now? (This one was patched 2 years ago)
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/xeyqsd/the_vaults_of_uncertain_fate_exploit/

[split wave]

Now this one has been made known over the weekend, which makes it harder for EHG to address, but they are definitely aware of it at this point

[crisp swallow]

All the gold sellers since launch

[pastel marlin]

[pearl walrus]

essentially, yes

except it's being done w/ trade

as the medium. instead of arbor

[languid brook]

mmm.gah. Well just gonna have to wait for official news then.

[pearl walrus]

the likely culprit is they used the same UI for the trade window that they did w/ arbor

and never fixed the integer overflow validation

[pastel marlin]

so, no proof youre just making things up got it.

anyway, this link someone posted of a chinese site thats like github... with this code that edits hex values. is this what the exploit was?

[fresh plover]

No this bug is since last patch, as the OP of reddit post mentioned, but even before that we had several exploits like for example gold duping using the quest npc that gives you 2-80k gold

[languid brook]

The timing as well sucks, heh, middle of the holidays

[pastel marlin]

was it actually a hack?

[pearl walrus]

no. you've been told this like 4 times now havent you?

it's not a fkn hack

[pastel marlin]

no? people keep sending links to deleted reddit posts

[crisp swallow]

Idc what you think. You can try to replicate it because at the moment it seems you are clueless and try to exploit it

[pearl walrus]

it's been explained several times in this instance since you've been here

[crisp swallow]

Hes just trying to figure it out to abuse it

[fresh plover]

since its so widespread now and all items gone iassume its not just couple people who did that, but regardless if tis cheat or not the market is gone completely now

[crisp swallow]

The cycle is done

[pearl walrus]

yee cycle is shot now for sure lmao

[pastel marlin]

i havent touched this game in weeks i dont care im just curious if this is another reddit brain rot moment where someone says stuff without proof and everyone just believes it

[crisp swallow]

Lmao

[uncut river]

Nice one

[crisp swallow]

Clueless

[pastel marlin]

im just looking for proof

[fresh plover]

what more proof u need if market is GONE

like???

[pearl walrus]

the proof is in the pudding, cupcake. The market suddenly dried up in like less than 12 hours of all valuable items.

[pastel marlin]

i guess ill log in

and go look

[fresh plover]

who cares how it works, it was posted and people abused it

and now u cant buy any good items with 2lp

no exhang no twisted, no orobus drops

[crisp swallow]

Its all gone and whats left is max price

[uncut river]

I wonder what this company will do to try and fix it

[fresh plover]

they even bought out 80% of 3lp titan hearts?

[crisp swallow]

And bad

[fresh plover]

like who needs that

[crisp swallow]

I mean if you have unlimited resources ofc EVERYTHING gets snagged

[fresh plover]

not do anything and maybe write an apology post

[fresh plover]

pretty much

[uncut river]

Sounds like it lol thank God I'm cof

[pastel marlin]

if its real, theyre probably scrambling right now because its a saturday and nobody is at work lmao

[uncut river]

It is real wdym

[crisp swallow]

Theres no question if its real lmao

[uncut river]

🤣

[dense sluice]

can someone prove that le is actually a video game?

[fresh plover]

like literally yrday we had 3 pages of 3lp titan haerts and 4 pages of 2 lp twisted, now we have 0 pages of 2 lp twisted and 3 titan hearts in total

[pearl walrus]

This guy probably a 9-11 tinfoil hat type of guy

[crisp swallow]

Muh proof

[pearl walrus]

like prices have been steadily rising over the past week or so

and then suddenly the market dries up of EVERY good LP item

[pastel crystal]

MG is dead, it’s either CoF or quit

[pearl walrus]

over night

[crisp swallow]

he hasnt opened the game are we sure its real????

[pearl walrus]

"yeah, if it is real"

lmfao

[pastel crystal]

Unless you’re into the snipe game

[leaden wharf]

Quit lmao

[fresh plover]

yep i literally went to bed it was fine, woke up all items i wanted to buy are gone

[leaden wharf]

The fact that 50% is dead, is enough reasons to stop

[fresh plover]

and there were several PAGES of items i wanted

[pastel marlin]

post vod?

[pearl walrus]

I knew there was something fishy when i posted a 2 LP suloron's for 1b and it sold in like...5m

lmao

[pastel marlin]

oof lmao

[fresh plover]

lmfao really

hahahah

[pastel marlin]

finally got in game

[rare sun]

Its so sad to see this happen

[crisp swallow]

🤣🤣 ur late man. Stop trying

[pearl walrus]

there was none up so i figured it was just cus 2 LP were THAT rare

lmfao

[rare sun]

Im losing all interest in playing cause market is ruined

[pearl walrus]

then i get told by Kyo that there is an exploit

and puru confirmed it for me and i was like oh

lmfao

[tiny spire]

2lp Twisted spotted for 1,5b

[fresh plover]

it wasnt there 20 mins ago

[rare sun]

Thats why my 4lp peak sold for 1,5b yesterday

[crisp swallow]

It wont be there in 20min

[tiny spire]

we need a new loot filter for 1.5b items

[low prawn]

welcome btw

[tiny spire]

work on it

[pearl walrus]

Yep.

[torn gate]

What is 1.5b items ? what's the difference ?

[fresh plover]

its gold cap

[split wave]

You can just list anything for 1.5B

[fresh plover]

on items posted

basically ye list everything good for 1.5 bil now

[tiny spire]

All but 6 red rings gone too xD

[pastel marlin]

hahahahaha

jesus

[fresh plover]

i mean at this point they can just make everyone's gold 0 and delete all market items

[pastel marlin]

7 red rings up all at 1.5b

[crisp swallow]

Every possible solution they can come up with will lose players

Hate to see it

[pastel marlin]

eh i think if they were to mass ban people who used the exploit... which would probably be easy if they have good logging setup

and then just left it at that instead of doing a roll back

would be fine

[crisp swallow]

No

The cycle is fricked already

[tiny spire]

I'm telling you guys. They should just disable MG for now and transfer everyone to CoF until there is a proper fix

[pastel marlin]

yeah nvm

realizing now that gold is being spread around

needs a rollback

well nothing is likely to happen anytime soon

[torn gate]

if they rollback i unistall, really last night craft bis wand 3lp

[frozen blaze]

Why bother, next cycle in two months wipes it all clean

[pastel marlin]

its a saturday, theyre probably scrambling to figure out wtf is going on

8 weeks is a long itme

time

[frozen blaze]

It'll take longer than 8 weeks to identify all the exploit users and develop a way to either roll back or retroactively decrease/remove items

These aren't just solutions you pull out of your arse, they require dev time which takes away from everything else

[pastel marlin]

if they have good logging setup it would take like 30 minutes to identify everybody who caused an int overflow in a trade window

[dense sluice]

yeah the chance they do some good solution to this where they target only people they can confirm as having done something, seems low

[dense sluice]

they dont

[pastel marlin]

yeah if they dont its rip

[pearl walrus]

it doesn't matter tho. you'd still need to account for the people that just happenstanced this in the bazaar

which isnt entirely fair

[dense sluice]

well, i heavily assume they dont

[pearl walrus]

rollback wont work well enough here

[frozen blaze]

Do you actually work in software engineering? If you're logging every single input in a single, short-lived text field you are mental

[dense sluice]

if they do, they arent using it well

[spare bronze]

everyone ready for EASTER kekw

[pearl walrus]

the only option is likely to let it ride and just game dies until cycle 2

or you turn off MG and swap everyone to COF

[pastel marlin]

oh no im talking about banning the people who did the exploit

[pearl walrus]

oh

yeah

they have logs for that

they have tracked all people who have had early gold caps

[rare sun]

Yup i got my 4lp legit way and sold it apparently non legit way, why should i be penalised?

[pearl walrus]

and said so on stream and other places

[dense sluice]

thats not proof

[pastel marlin]

no but youd hopefully have logs of trades and bazaar posting/buying/selling etc

[pearl walrus]

i'm talking like first 2 weeks of the game

when people had gold caps

[dense sluice]

with the market how it is, you could easily hit gold cap withotu doing anythign but benefitting from people doing stuff

[humble burrow]

So I been just checking my market and someone bought +4 smite for 1,5b from me then I thought Jo what an idiot but it turns out my gold is worth nothing?

[pearl walrus]

i am just strictly saying they have said they were able to view the logs of people w/ those gold caps early and validated they were legit

so they have proper logging to do proper bans

[dense sluice]

that logging doesnt help them with bans though

[pearl walrus]

yep, it's basically monopoloy money lol

[warm zenith]

MGs dead

[swift fern]

sorry to reask, I've read up a ton, what is going on with BAZ? why is everything crazy? why are no 3lp ladles up, when there are pages last night? its weird I woke up to 550m in sales

[acoustic geode]

roll back is the only answer

[desert venture]

Content creators are picking it up now and talking about it

[crisp swallow]

Yup

[swift fern]

like sales of stuff from 2 weeks ago

[desert venture]

Hopefully we get an official response and fix soon

[frozen blaze]

Gold exploit published widely yesterday

[pearl walrus]

gold exploit

[dense sluice]

if they are logging what they need to, to identify individuals in this case, theres a lot of stuff they're just choosing to ignore, which is concerning

[humble burrow]

Ok so we open the arbor vault on repeat now or quit the game? xD

[pastel marlin]

brother it just happened

its a saturday

a lot of people had off friday too

[warm zenith]

its been happening for weeks tbh

just more ppl know about it now

[dense sluice]

^

[pastel marlin]

sigh

[crisp swallow]

Yeah my guess is its been goin on before launch

[delicate notch]

yeah when all the 2lp ocearon went poof, it was really sus

[warm zenith]

it made no sense to me how someone bought a 200mil item from me a week into the game

[pastel marlin]

lmfao

[frozen blaze]

Definitely not, the trajectory of sales prices would have been far greater, far earlier if this was the case

[warm zenith]

how does anyone farm 200mil a week into the game without selling something on MG that a person bought with exploited gold

[dense sluice]

it was clear there was an exploit for gold happening very early on, it was just very hard to get info on how it was happening

we knew it was to do with trade/bazaar though

[crisp swallow]

Not if only a handful of people did it

[acoustic geode]

this glitch was been used since the start of the cycle

[crisp swallow]

Coordinated

[swift fern]

@pearl walrus oh well, that will explain it, glad I actually was able to buy a couple items last night before this all happened

[pastel marlin]

there were people playing 18 hours a day who got to empowere monos in 6 hours

[frozen blaze]

Things the internet can't do: keep secrets

[pastel marlin]

of course people had money money after 7 days

[warm zenith]

still doesnt explain 200mil

[crisp swallow]

Yes hence it blew up now

[pastel marlin]

yesi t does

[pearl walrus]

he wasnt trying to keep it a secret tho

[low prawn]

snapshot restore points, primarily an automated process, takes all of an hour to do for larger projects.

[warm zenith]

you can farm monos all week youre not making 200mil gold from just vendoring gear

[daring cloak]

hey MG is messed... all 4lp rings ammy and belts are now gone

[pastel marlin]

absolutely does 200mil is not a lot when you have an entire market to sell items to

[pearl walrus]

it was a secret because it's very well known that RMT gold sellers come out of LATAM or Asia

[frozen blaze]

I'm aware, and that punishes legitimate players

[fresh plover]

200 mil? thats rookie numbers gold selling explotes had 5.5 billion after a week of launch

[crisp swallow]

Yeah this

[warm zenith]

yea the market where it was probably bought with exploited gold

[pearl walrus]

and this commonly happens; prices go down too far someone nukes it for all

[swift fern]

yteah alkl the expensive high end stuff is wiped out

[warm zenith]

thats the point

[daring cloak]

how come???

[low prawn]

in no situation or solution do they not screw someone over.

[crisp swallow]

And the reason it blew over was a disgruntled gold seller

[pastel marlin]

conspiracy theory people

[pearl walrus]

prices went from $18 USD/b gold to $11 USD/B in 24 hours 2 days ago

[warm zenith]

theres a gold cap lol maybe across multiple accounts

[low prawn]

Better to screw everyone and restore to a point before stuff exploded

[frozen blaze]

Indeed, which for a fledgling game that just hit 1.0 is a real dilemna

[swift fern]

guess there is/was a gold exploit, not sure if its fixed ,bt assuming someone/people bought it all up

[dense sluice]

gonna be real, thinking there isnt an exploit, is the tinfoil now

[pearl walrus]

the RMTers were starting to learn about the exploit

and prices tanked

[daring cloak]

30min ago there were 50+ 4lp rings.. now all gone?? how is this possible

[pearl walrus]

so dude just said fk it here ya go everyone

[fresh plover]

yep they were all botting, its a combined value that they got in1 week

[low prawn]

" fledgling game " sold like 3 million copies btw

[pearl walrus]

aight chill.

that's too much

[low prawn]

at 40$ each

[vivid plover]

Wtf happened? I just hit goldcap. Everything just sold

[frozen blaze]

Doesn't change the fact it's a newly-released game

[low prawn]

newly released game that had 3 years of early access.

[daring cloak]

more like DELISTED not sold... if sold they cannot trade or re-sell

[crisp swallow]

Youve been hit by, youve been struck by a smooth criminal

[low prawn]

Im not giving EHG the same treatment as a game that just released and had no EA period

[pearl walrus]

countering this with the fact that they had not PTR and no trade prior to launch

[low prawn]

im just referring to him calling it a new or fledgling game

[vivid plover]

I dunno. Everything sold and I got 2.5 billion gold lol. But everything costs 1.5 billion wtf

[low prawn]

not the bug

[pearl walrus]

ohhhhhh

okay

word

[low prawn]

its definitely not new or fledgling

[pearl walrus]

gold exploit released overnight

[vivid plover]

Aah, rollback I guess then

[pearl walrus]

probably not

no

[daring cloak]

exactly!! all these listings that are 0 min listed are china botters... guaranteed

last night 4lp costs 50mill... today it costs 500mill

how can any legit player afford anything

[pearl walrus]

you cant

game is cooked until they drop a fix and explain some things

[acoustic geode]

there is a team who use gold copy bug and sell it. and now they are moving on to POE, thats why they decide to show all the bug they have used

[pearl walrus]

even then MG is prolly cooked

[vivid plover]

Yeah had a Prismatic gaze 1Lp wrognfully listes for 1 billion instead of 100 million i didnt know i had

[acoustic geode]

not joking

[daring cloak]

omg lol

[vivid plover]

It sold for 1 billion. So its a rollback or season is over

[crisp swallow]

Season is most likely over

[swift fern]

diablo4 had a gold dupe/bug, took them like 2 seasons to fix it, was insane dumb and they didnt even have a Baz and it ruined fun timems

[warm zenith]

d4 season 4 baby cant wait

[daring cloak]

can you explain this lol

[pearl walrus]

season likely done

[acoustic geode]

the trick they use gold bug in lastepoch is pretty similar to D4

[delicate notch]

cycle 2 incoming! now 3 big arpgs have roughly the same cycle/season/league start

[hushed forge]

Solution: rename merchants guild to merchants of fortune and make all items free. Lmao.

[pastel marlin]

Time to reroll to COF I guess

[low prawn]

have fun ahving zero gear

[pearl walrus]

literally took the 1b i made, gonna do LB and just go farm Arbor lmao

[acoustic geode]

there are several teams in china making gold from game money and they were in the last epoch this season

[low prawn]

and being forced to start completely over

[acoustic geode]

i guess roll back is the only answer but many will leave the game i think

[pastel marlin]

To be fair people who make a living on Rmt are everywhere. I have a real life friend that runs a classic wow bot farm and makes 6 figures😂

[warm zenith]

true thats not a bad route

[acoustic geode]

yes i know true

but i mean this is too much

[pastel marlin]

This is obviously just the method being public and average gamers using it in mass

[warm zenith]

they knew about the exploit weeks ago and did nothing

this is what happens

[acoustic geode]

you know there is a bot for LE

[pastel marlin]

I don’t think they knew about it weeks ago?

[warm zenith]

they did

[daring cloak]

thanks for explaining @acoustic geode 🙏

[warm zenith]

the person who leaked it said they reported it multiple times

[swift fern]

does POE have these same issues? thinking about checking it out, but heard its super hard to "learn"

[pastel marlin]

Ah

[pastel marlin]

Does have a very steep learning curve but you’ll honestly be fine if you just follow one of many build guides that come with a leveling guide and you watch some YouTube videos

[fresh plover]

according to chinese OP, they reached out through email, forum and ingame bug report, the only thing they got in response is email saying report it in game. He said that chinese rmt gold sellers had huge spike in gold after last patch, so he found it sus, so he just made public what rtm sellers were doing for a week

[hardy lance]

Crap take to roll back everything because you have bad feels about the bazaar being empty of items.

[daring cloak]

I literally should have bought that 4lp ring for 50mill last night... now they are all gone 😦

[crisp swallow]

Yeah and if similar gets listed it will be 1.5b

[fresh plover]

i feel u m8 😭 i invested 1 bil in offmeta mele build and got everything but one very crucial item....

now all gone

[feral drum]

what is going on in the market

[daring cloak]

now the bot listed for 1.5billion....

for 4lp ring when it's supposed to worth 50mill!!

[crisp swallow]

Told u 🤣

[daring cloak]

LOL!!!!!

[grim sentinel]

Today is a sadge day my friends

[desert venture]

The bazaar being empty of items is equivalent to the complete breakdown of MG though, which affects everyone in that faction

[daring cloak]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[desert venture]

It's not just him being salty

[feral drum]

why is the bazaar broken

[pastel marlin]

A real Gold dupe finally got posted publicly on Reddit, people abused it in mass

The post has since been deleted by mods

[fresh plover]

ye its been up all night tho

so yeee

[pastel marlin]

But the damage is definitely obvious just looking at the market

[hardy lance]

The salty part is rolling back CoF players. Basically disregarding 50% of the player base for the base he's a part of.

[frozen blaze]

Ah yes, that well-known way of removing things from the internet

[feral drum]

anyone got the link

[fresh plover]

and its still up i assume on chinese forums since they aren moderated by LE

[fresh plover]

it was deleted by mods

[pastel marlin]

Yeah who knows what they’re gunna do about it. We likely won’t hear anything for a little while since it’s a Saturday

[hardy lance]

A better fix would take longer but would impact less players.

[pastel marlin]

Like what though? I doubt they have the ability to roll back only MG players

[desert venture]

Yeah I think we all want a better fix

[frozen blaze]

Live services are staffed 24/7, 365 days per year

[desert venture]

But MG is completey bricked right now

[frozen blaze]

They will be discussing this all weekend, I guarantee it

[hardy lance]

Depends heavily on implementation

[daring cloak]

everyone should have bought their items last night .. i'm dead lol

[hardy lance]

I've been posting links to ORM extensions that allow for timeline like behavior (e.g. Historical changes over time at a row level)

If they have that, then it's not impossible to do

[feral drum]

i went to sleep and when i woke up, everythign was gone

[hardy lance]

Sqlalchemy continuum, doctrine loggable, hibernate, etc. All orms have this.

[crisp swallow]

Wher was u wen mg was kill

No

[peak depot]

given they don't have server verification of trade values, I doubt they have the tools they need to fix this neatly

[humble burrow]

XD I was toilet and then I hear mg kill sry for bad english

[daring cloak]

that's most of us here i think lol

[fresh plover]

yes but what are they gonna do, they wont roll back since we have cof players and people who BOTH cof and MG, so they just cant do that, and all MG market progress is wiped now

[hardy lance]

That dude claims to be a dev but he's talking about doing a snapshot restore, which is what a sys admin would propose. Not what a dev would propose

[crisp swallow]

🤣

[crisp swallow]

Apply to ehg as a consultant

Get the bag

[feral drum]

so, basically some guy duped gold and bought out everything then went to poe?

[hardy lance]

I work for MS.

[daring cloak]

🤣

[frozen blaze]

LinkedIn profile or lies

[fresh plover]

nah people just made public what rmt sleers were doing for weeks and tons of casuals did the same

[warm zenith]

a group of ppl but yea pretty much

[crisp swallow]

Some guy duped gold, got mad that he was undercutted, leaked the exploit and moves to poe

[hardy lance]

Lol, I don't think doxxing myself in a gamer discord is a good idea

[feral drum]

ok whats the exploit though? anyone knows how its done? xd

[crisp swallow]

Ur late

[hardy lance]

Integer overflow during trading

[crisp swallow]

Its over

[tiny spire]

whats going on with mg? lp2s for 1,5b ???????

[hardy lance]

Because everything is sold out lol

[grim sentinel]

Time to start over as SAF

[peak depot]

I feel we need a pinned post 'mg is kill this is why'

[crisp swallow]

Welcome to the end of time LMAO. Cycle is done

[feral drum]

so like what? listing items for a specific price?

[crisp swallow]

Our protagonist lost this echo

[feral drum]

im done with cycle, im just curious how they did it

[tiny spire]

well i guess MG is dead now no point to play anymore ....

[hardy lance]

No. I won't share the exact details of the exploit. But basically it allows you to enter invalid values and it gives you gold cap.

[daring cloak]

noooo i still love this game

[pastel marlin]

No it has to do with a trade window with another player and forcing the value in the gold box to go negative causing an int overflow

[fresh plover]

we are alll ssf now since nothing to buy on the market lol

[peak depot]

Kinda keen for a new cycle anyway tbh

[tiny spire]

LP2 jelkhors are 4 bil right now lol

sad to junk them yesterday

[grim sentinel]

True, but it will make me feel less bad somehow. I know im bricked in the head.

[feral drum]

you can list things for 4 bil now?

[spare bronze]

nah guy is exaggerating a lot

they are still 3mil

[daring cloak]

made me check lol

[crisp swallow]

It doesnt matter ur money is worth nothing. Gold cap gets u 20mil item

[pastel marlin]

I don’t think it’s just a trading thing tho

Someone linked a script

From a Chinese site similar to GitHub

And the script was messing with hex values

[dry halo]

omg I was waiting for inflation to sell my big LP uniques for a big cashout. Today is the day!

[hardy lance]

I wouldn't

[crisp swallow]

🤣

[pastel marlin]

Not gunna link it here because the last person that linked it got banned it seemed

But I have it up

Reading this it’s pretty obvious what it does

[peak depot]

the dupe included memory editing the amount of gold in the trade with that script

[pastel marlin]

Yeah

[dry halo]

I should hold for something?

[daring cloak]

could you summarize this so a 10 year old could understand LOL

[pastel marlin]

So it’s less of an “exploit” and more of a “hack”

[hardy lance]

Actively participating in the exploit might not go over well

[dry halo]

it requires changing memory values. So it's a hack

[pastel marlin]

Uhh one second I’m in the bathroom

[peak depot]

@daring cloak you trade with someone and tell the game you are trading negative gold

[daring cloak]

so sad to hear this lol

[dry halo]

I'm playing the market as is. Anyone participating in AH is exploiting right now?

[crisp swallow]

Well, its still an exploit 🤣

[feral drum]

but how do you make it negative gold

[peak depot]

with a script that modifies game memory

[pastel marlin]

This ^

It’s not anything you do in game really

It’s a hack

[dry halo]

It's sad you guys never grew up with a gameshark. This stuff kills your fun. Don't do it

[peak depot]

that value is then not verified against the server, which is why the gold is then 'real' unlike the visual duping bugs from earlier in the cycle

[feral drum]

i got a super sick slam before i went to bed, i really hope that they dont roll us back

[peak depot]

I dropped and sold an Lp2 heart

I would be happy with just a new cycle date fairly soon tbh, other things to play/do for April now

[feral drum]

so basically, the server dont verify gold transactions?

[pastel marlin]

Way more complicated than that

[peak depot]

yeah

[dry halo]

I just essentially finished my build. So no reason to farm for gold any more. See you all next cycle! MG4EVER

[crisp swallow]

Mg is dead. Long live the mg

[feral drum]

man i was saving for a better relic too.. just hit 500m

and now its worthless

[spare bronze]

wow all LP4s insane

[daring cloak]

if there are any that is

[feral drum]

i wonder how they are going to address this without rolling the game back

[spare bronze]

he finished his build so he must have all LP4s in every slot kek

[crisp swallow]

No good options

[fresh plover]

i wish they would literally reset everyones gold to 0

but they wont do it

[feral drum]

this doesnt even make any difference

[fresh plover]

i mean it would be like cycle reset

[knotty light]

lol just logged on my mg char and wtf is with this prices?

[fresh plover]

all items gone now so makess sense that all gold gone too

[fresh plover]

public dupe that was abused by large amount of people

[gentle aspen]

every thing is either free or bought instantly for 1.5b. Advantage cof? lol

[hardy lance]

Anyone with a connection to MG (e. G. Main or Alt) - - we'll see what they do. Rolling back is nuclear and unlikely.

It would impact 100 % of players and it would make a lot of people angry (especially those that don't do MG at all)

[peak depot]

people just wouldnt play until next cycle anyway if they were rolled back, they might as well just nuke 1.0 and set a cycle date for as soon as they can get something to send with it

[nimble goblet]

and here im over here with 800k gold which is the highest ive ever had lmao

[crisp swallow]

Enjoy ur 0lp unique 🤣

[nimble goblet]

I have a lp3 ring i got the other day. But idk how much to sell it for

[daring cloak]

🤣

[crisp swallow]

1.5b

[split wave]

Look okay, Prof Oak just was feeling real generous and gave me all of the starters, and they just happened to be level 100, could happen to anyone

[hardy lance]

Gameshark for mew on pokemon red and blue

[nimble goblet]

not going to sell for that much. Looking now and lowest is 800m and its been siting for almost an hour 😂

[vivid plover]

There isnt a single LP3 or LP4 item from the popular specs on the market lol