💰┃merchants-guild

[grizzled mountain]

You've given zero examples of where those things give anyone and advantage. Let alone an advantage that causes the entire economy to experience hyperinflation

[round jungle]

look at the Jelkhors dagger, yesterday it cost 2 mil, now 3.5.

[round jungle]

you know what RMT is?

[grizzled mountain]

We should be expecting a lot of in inflation based on the systems implemented. What we've seen in the last week is insane though. I personally suspect there's a dupe, but an AC doesn't catch everything, and is a massive waste of dev resources to maintain and implement, for little to no actual gain. There are MUCH better things you can do on the back end.

[round jungle]

''no advantage'' Merchant Guild is broken af

[small jay]

So is this argument about someone complaining about prices going up so rapidly and accusing RMT gold selling as the reason and someone else saying thats not the case?

[grizzled mountain]

WTF does cheat engine have to do with RMT? Those are ENTIRELY seperate issues

[round jungle]

maybe you should think?

that you can cheat easily with cheat engine means that other cheats are more easily to install

[grizzled mountain]

As I've stated, being able to have cheat engine open while you play means nothing in a properly designed server-authoritative system... You don't get to just spawn gold out of thin air, and you've yet to give a single example of something that people can actually do with cheat engine (not in theory, in the real world with the actual game from 1.0 onwards) that gives them an advantage.

[round jungle]

i accidentally had CE open in multiplayer, i had it started in offline mode, it's possible

[grizzled mountain]

Ok? So what? That means literally nothing. I can open cheat engine when I have pretty much any game open, bypassing anticheats to run cheat engine is very easy. It still doesn't let you do anything extra unless there is an exploit or bug where the server is allowing stuff to be client authoritative or and actual server-side bug. Both of which don't care about cheat engine being open on your machine.

[round jungle]

rn the Jelkhor's Dagger with 4LP cost 1.1billion, 4 days ago they were at 100-200mil, it's way to easy to install mods

[round jungle]

i saw enough videos with speed hacks using cheat engine, stop yappin dude

[flint igloo]

You don't get to just spawn gold out of thin air
well it depends on their anti-tamper and their client to server handshakes but yeah CE on an online service is instant ban usually

[round jungle]

it's way to easy to bot in LE, that's the problem not fxxxking cheat engine it was an example on how easy it is to install mods.

[flint igloo]

thats a problem in every game. AHK is almost never blacklisted

[grizzled mountain]

You're using words you don't know the meaning of. A properly designed server-authoritative system shouldn't care what the client does, and should properly prevent any sort of dupe. It is literally impossible to stop people from sending arbitrary packets to your servers. People can write a client compeltely from scratch and bypass any anticheat you implement.

[round jungle]

in Lost Ark you can't use every cheat, Diablo4 aswell, any other ARPG aswell?

RMT is a problem in every game, i know but not as big like LE.

[flint igloo]

saying that the client doesn't send a server handshake makes you look like the ignorant one here 🤣

[round jungle]

i repeat once again: 4 days ago Gold prices were at 91€ for 100mil, now it cost 36€

Jelkhor's Dagger was at 100-200mil 4 days ago, now at 1.1BILLION

[flint igloo]

I know the subject very well. all things cheats, i know all about it

[round jungle]

and it's almost instantly bought

[indigo mulch]

It's almost like people are coming on during the weekend and playing the game

[grizzled mountain]

I never said that? You're literally not even using those words properly. I can within 30 minutes write a client that successfully emulates pretty much any client/server handshake in any multiplayer game... It's not hard to write your own client that behaves the same way as the official client. The handshake process is usually trivial. Most games don't even use proper security with their handshaking process, or network traffic. Most use basic ass ciphers and that's it. Regardless, that's entirely irrelevant to using cheat engine to spawn gold...

[flint igloo]

yeah, it aint hard to bypass that sht, especially EAC, denuvo, and other terrible anti tamper software

[round jungle]

can you please stop talking about cheats?

and look at the real problem in LE?

[indigo mulch]

can we get back to malding over item prices and the ui, kthx

[flint igloo]

whats the real problem

I'm COF I thought it'd be funny to come here after I heard someone say you guys are losing your minds

[round jungle]

it has a poor AC. bots are taking MG over, and you talk about cheats

i'm switching back to CoF, MG is absolute shxt

[indigo mulch]

pls don't.

[grizzled mountain]

Agreed. There is zero reason to even have client side AC anymore. The server-side methods are the only thing that works against a sufficiently competent adversary

[flint igloo]

yep. devs will never learn tho, and keep investing in them meanwhile everyone just DMAs nowadays

[grizzled mountain]

Devs have learned. LE is an example of that... Meanwhile you have people like @round jungle screaming about being able to open cheat engine in offline mode...

[flint igloo]

people are still using AHK triggerbots in valorant 🤣

[flint igloo]

CE in offline mode?! Oh no!!!

its not like you can install a literal inventory editor or anything

[round jungle]

i see, you haven't read

[thin trout]

Day 20 of reminding devs that a handful of affixes still arnt searchable on bazaar. Been 3 patches since, and full release game btw

[grizzled mountain]

Not being able to search for shred 😭

[round jungle]

you CAN with CE in online, not gold or anything else, but speed hacks are possible, it was an excample on HOW easy it is to install any bots in online

[flint igloo]

other than shred what is not searchable

[grizzled mountain]

Speed hacks don't 10x the cost of all relevant items in 2-3 days... Also, every game has issues with speed hacks to varying degrees, this isn't unique to LE.

[round jungle]

you have absolutely no idea on how to program and still yapps, you can't even think properly, you know what an example is?

[indigo mulch]

actually....

[round jungle]

holy shii, EXAMPLE dude

[thin trout]

I’m guessing the dev team is just far too small for this kind of hype launch. Even with daddy ten cent money

[flint igloo]

you cant anymore??

[twilit owl]

As long as gold is part of the MG, RMT will exist, and as long as RMT exists prices will always go up.

[round jungle]

are you american?

[twilit owl]

As long as any of the farmers have half a brain you scan for popular FOMO builds, buy all the items, and relist your own for 800% price. Then you make more gold, and sell more.

[thin trout]

Europe was just a beta test for America

[twilit owl]

It's literally the exact way I used to control the AH in WoW. Buy out entire stocks and list them for the price I wanted.

[flint igloo]

they just need to make it so you can't list anything unless you have the rank for it and RMT is gone

[round jungle]

stop yappin Joe, you don't have the brain to talk about bot problems

[grizzled mountain]

I've literally been a SWE for over 20 years at this point... I've also worked on bots/cheats for fun throughout. I contributed to RSBuddy back in the day. What have you done?

[flint igloo]

er wait someone can just list something for any price cant they. nvm

[twilit owl]

Wouldn't work. It's a good thought but you keep a few legit accounts for listing, then buy the cheap stuff from low levels on other accounts and use those accounts for the actual selling.

[grizzled mountain]

You can't relist the items you bought though?

[thin trout]

Your track record is grossly uninteresting just fyi

[round jungle]

Could be, but you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

[twilit owl]

I changed it so its your own. Like say I have melee lightning and crit damage daggers. I buy out all of the existing stock at 1-2M each, then list mine for 35million.

Everyone elses is gone, and I now set the price.

[grizzled mountain]

Ahh, I see. So you just anchor it higher

[twilit owl]

Yep. It's standard market control. As long as gold is part of MG it's the smart way for RMT to double farm.

[grizzled mountain]

That requires having good stuff for everything though, which is kinda hard to do

[twilit owl]

Because they're now farming players for gold to sell, as wlel as items.

Assuming a standard RMT company has 5-10 people playing accounts 24/7, they'll get the items.

[indigo mulch]

I can't wait until the midleague patch comes that drops gold as a currency and everything is paid through untradeable favor.

[flint igloo]

fk true

[twilit owl]

Just run a global filter.

[twilit owl]

Ideally they find a way to do item for item trading only, but that'd mean revamping the entire AH.

[flint igloo]

Society of Women Engineers? thats dope

[grizzled mountain]

I'm not sure if the numbers work out on that. You have 10s of thousands online at any given time.

[flint igloo]

You know what they say about programmers. How do you know someone programs? they'll tell you within the first 5 mins of meeting them

[grizzled mountain]

Totally. I hung out with WECE members in college though.

[twilit owl]

On a realistic breakdown I'd say, at any given time, I would bet a few hundred at most care about max items. You need to filter out a large casual base of dads and stuff who will never get to the corruption point to even notice/care about gear. Then you filter out CoF, then you break down by classes using personal loot filters only not grabbing cross MG gear (though if they're smart they'd switch to a master loot filter)

[grizzled mountain]

That says way more about you than them TBH

[lofty elbow]

PLEASE FIX SHRED ARMOR lol

[round jungle]

standard RMT companys have virtual Machines with 100-200 bots.

[flint igloo]

IM JOKING

[grizzled mountain]

Same, I can't use emojis from other servers!

[round jungle]

500mil Gold cost 183€ and will be delivered in 15 minutes, MG is broken

[twilit owl]

I was lowballing for even just standard effect, there used to be good articles from even small RMT companies back in MMO days so its what I have most knowledge of.

[flint igloo]

also joking about this. I'm not a programmer i just like to decompile data and look at it. i have some SWEs that have helped me in the past, my brother is one too works for CAT. theyre good people!

[round jungle]

yee, there are videos on Youtube that show these server farms

[flint igloo]

SWE ARE PEOPLE TOO PeepoRiot

[grizzled mountain]

I don't think the economics work out on that with millions being like 20 cents. They'd need headless clients, and I'd be amazed if they're that far already with their tech.

[twilit owl]

Either way the point remains as long as RMT exists the prices will just continue to go up, and up, and up.

[round jungle]

Someone on the German Last Epoch discord showed me his two virtual machine accounts, which have 300 million Gold on them.

[round jungle]

they are that far ahead with their tech, you can find videos of these bot farms on youtube

[grizzled mountain]

How long did it take to get that 300m?

[round jungle]

he has them like a week

as i said, MG is broken, when you don't pay it's unplayable

[lofty elbow]

anybody ever play lineage? lol

[twilit owl]

It gets exponentially faster, too. Is the thing. Faster the prices go up, the faster they make more gold back. It's an exponential ROI cycle.

[lofty elbow]

rmt companies remind me of lineage if anyone knows lol

[twilit owl]

It's any game where currency is tradeable.

It's the major flaw in most games.

[round jungle]

RMT is common in games, but not that extremely.

[twilit owl]

RMT rarely allows for BiS, usually stepping stones and consumables.

[grizzled mountain]

1.78m/hr is 35 cents an hour or so... Transaction and platform fees puts you at basically break even when you account for compute as well.

[twilit owl]

That's two machines though. Multiple it out by 1-200 machines was his original point.

[teal willow]

i just got a +3 skill, -6 mana, and +49 dmg Jelkor 3lp. How much can I seell that for?

[grizzled mountain]

All that matters is the unit economics. I don't think the margins are there for it to make sense to scale that far.

[twilit owl]

If the purchase point is there, it is - especially because 300 million is nothing now.

[small jay]

This games devs basically made the most barebones trading system and handed it over to the chinese

[round jungle]

it's no fun playing MG and i don't want to switch back to CoF, i know have almost 120 hours on my character

[twilit owl]

We're starting to see 4 LP items get close to a billion.

[teal willow]

rip

[round jungle]

Jelkhors Blast Knife is already at 1.1Bil

[grizzled mountain]

It takes 100 hours of botting to break even on buying the game (assuming the above numbers are accurate), without including ANY expenses.

[small jay]

How much do you want them to cost, realistically?

[teal willow]

i just got a -6 mana Jekors not sure how much to sell it tho

[twilit owl]

Nothing - item trades. Currency is a stupid development idea. Always has been.

[round jungle]

simple RMT sites have 100-200 bots big sites have over 1000-2000, probably more

[grizzled mountain]

They should just go full D3 and implement a real money AH

[flint igloo]

gold cap is prob pretty fair tbh

[small jay]

So.. the item should cost nothing? Or be traded for another item?

[twilit owl]

They did Joe.

[lofty elbow]

what lp -6 mana is pretty meaningless

[grizzled mountain]

The unit economics don't make sense. It doesn't matter if they have 5 or 5 million bots... 100 hours to generate enough revenue to pay for the game is too much

[twilit owl]

Nothing was in reference to currency - it should just be item for item trades with favor requirements.

[teal willow]

oh 3/3 lp. but those prices are very different the -3 are lower on the list

when i sort by price

[round jungle]

i think you're too dumb to talk about that topic :/

[twilit owl]

100 hours is 4 days.

I'm confused why that's a long time.

[teal willow]

its lower on the dmg roll tho only +49

[lofty elbow]

melee damage?

[lofty elbow]

oh gotcha

[grizzled mountain]

Because that's based off revenue, and they have thin margins.

[twilit owl]

I mean you're at green by day 5.

[round jungle]

as i said, 500mil cost 183€ MG isn't fun.

[twilit owl]

100 hours is a lot for you. It's not a lot when you don't have to log off.

[lofty elbow]

I just usually list at a lower price for a quick sale if that matters lol i just like the dopamine hit of finding item and it selling lol

[grizzled mountain]

I don't think so. Compute and platform/transaction fees aren't cheap.

[small jay]

As a CoF player, im lucky to find a 3LP. No offence, but i feel like some MG players are a little, entitled. Like, how much easier do SOME ppl want it to be?

[twilit owl]

And I would also bet Basics example is horribly inefficient since the guy was using it for himself.

[indigo mulch]

Sniper! Get Down!

[twilit owl]

Which means he probably didn't sell all high value items - since he could just use them.

[teal willow]

ill put it for 100million

[twilit owl]

I would bet there's a 1-200 million gold variance for the actual numbers.

[mental perch]

can you sell an item that someone gifted to you in bazaar? My item is not tradable and thats the only reason I could imagine. anyone can confirm?

[flint igloo]

1-200 mil is quite the variance haha

[twilit owl]

You cannot, if it says not tradeable it can't touch the AH.

[lofty elbow]

yeah I dont know about what price id want 3/4LPs at but i bought all my gear 5-6 days ago for under 100m which is very do-able for my lightning marksman build so im very happy that i didnt need to spend 1b to do it now lol

[mental perch]

but is it due to the fact it was gifted?

[twilit owl]

I can't guess the timeline. He took a week to get to 300 million, but I'd assume all major useful drops he kept for his own characters.

[lofty elbow]

at this point im just farming to sell and i enjoy that a lot more than farming in cof but thats just me

[twilit owl]

Yes, once an item is traded (or bought) it locks the item out

[small jay]

I like loot explosions

[toxic hull]

even if your party member gifted you their drops, it will become untradeable

[mental perch]

sorry, maybe I'm phrasing it wrong. I was grouping with someone who gifted that item to me in a group with the resonance.

[lofty elbow]

fair enough haha

[twilit owl]

No, I was just pointing out the bought thing because the system flags it the same as trading. Basically when it passes hands from A to B its locked, regardless of method.

[mental perch]

Got it, thanks

[round jungle]

the Jelkhor's Blast knife is at 1.1bil, to lower the prices they have to let it drop more often

[lofty elbow]

yeah but thats for a 4LP 2lps are only like 4-5m

[small jay]

Gold resonance feel useless.

[toxic hull]

TLDR; MG is better when gold prices are high. when gold prices drop dirt cheap, go back to CoF.

[round jungle]

yea, 2LP, but i need 3-4.

[lofty elbow]

why do u NEED 3-4?

are u trying to top the ladder or something?

[weary berry]

thats not even that bad for bis

[twilit owl]

Because settling for being bad isn't what people inherently want to do.

No one wants to be a 50, that's an F.

[round jungle]

yea, aswell when most items you drop things are shiii!

[round jungle]

it was 4 days ago at 200???

[twilit owl]

I personally don't care, I can get by on 2 LP since I usually only take characters to 4-500 corruption then roll a new one.

[lofty elbow]

i get that but just buy 2LPs and farm for more gold? idk maybe im just content at being a 50 lol

[lofty crane]

any tips on ranking up MG. last couple of days been trying to get rank 5 for exalted items. it feels extremly slow to get ranked up

[twilit owl]

But the general human mindset is if you can be better and stronger, you want to be.

[round jungle]

Idols are the meta dude, i have rn 44mil.

[small jay]

The general consensus with MG players is, i can get super powerful much quicker than CoF without needing to farm rare currency like on PoE? SOLD! gimmegimmegimme!

[round jungle]

MG is broken, i don't want to play 6-12 hours a day just to maxout my gear

[twilit owl]

You can do it even quicker now if you have $20.

[round jungle]

20€ for 55 mil, i love it!

[flint igloo]

If you're just going to buy gold why not just COF at that point

[small jay]

You know you can like, enjoy the journy right? Whats the rush? Whats this "i dont want to have to play 6-12 hours a day" garbage

[round jungle]

i won't buy gold dude

[round jungle]

the cycle will end??

[flint igloo]

no no that was a generalization, not talking you specifically

[round jungle]

ahh, sorry mb

[lofty elbow]

yeah @round jungle why not just go cof and start fresh?

[small jay]

I dont play 6-12 a day. Im CoF. I have some gear. Im fsrming ok in low tier corruptions around 200 ish. Im happy

[round jungle]

yea, have an A or B tier build is not that pricy

[weary berry]

idk i made over 300m in 2 days just selling random exalted items getting to like 1b is not even hard

[teal willow]

CoF is good to play at your own pace and not worry about god tier specs inflating stuff so play any spec u want also

and not worry about taking a few weeks off and return to 450 trillion dollar items

[twilit owl]

It just becomes the human break down at this point - an hour extra of work is worth 7-8 hours of farming in game because of how much currency has devalued. Is it stupid? Sure. But its where people start getting dumb about it because its a hilariously badly designed system.

Like the MG is as bad, if not worse thought out, than the RMAH from D3. And I'm sure it will get fixed because the dev team isn't stupid.

I'm just surprised they went live with it as is.

[round jungle]

I had one character in CoF, but the char wasn't my thing; at the time, MG was superior, and I don't want to spend 120 hours again on the same character.

[toxic hull]

solution is because there's no tax in bazaar / trades between MG players

[lofty elbow]

yeah since like 2 days ago ive been farming to sell and made around 80m so far. 10 more days maybe ill get that exsang 4lp if prices dont go up haha

[twilit owl]

At current rate exsang has been going up like 8-10% a day lol

Just because of supply and demand.

[lofty elbow]

rip me haha

[twilit owl]

And its in nearly every build

[lofty elbow]

if I get it cool if not cool is my mindset lol

[teal willow]

ward OP

[twilit owl]

The trick is finding a super non-meta build.

Get away from FOMO.

And everything will be dirt cheap.

[small jay]

Different strokes for different folks. I enjoy the loot search. The feeling when a good upgrade drops. The progression of getting stronger... walking upto a vendor and just buying it, to me would pale in comparison. I get it tho some people just want it all NOW so they can show off to their friends? Idk lol

[teal willow]

well mg has that feeling, like i got a jelkor lp3 to drop and i was like chaching

[round jungle]

i enjoy loot search too, but i still wanna min max, and at the time min maxing was way faster with MG

[lofty elbow]

for sure but I also enjoy finding gear that others value and using that payoff in turn to find my own gear to upgrade and if I drop something for me that would make me real happy haha

[twilit owl]

If I was the devs my hot take is I would flat out delete MG for next season and open the bazaar up as a zone for item to item trading with no restrictions and make a new faction to replace MG with lol. Maybe a gold find faction that does explosions of gold to incentivize major arbour runs or something.

[lofty elbow]

arbour...my least favorite dungeon haha

[round jungle]

just do a discord connect for unrestricted item selling/buying, it's harsh but effective.

[twilit owl]

I'm surprised we haven't gotten global muted till 5+ hours in game still, that should have been the first step.

[small jay]

Noone will beat poe for trading

[twilit owl]

I'd argue there's more than a few things on the same level, some actually smarter.

[small jay]

I just think the old diablo 3 style of the gold AH was a bad play..

[twilit owl]

From a company perspective Digital Extremes is damn near genius.

[round jungle]

new player will not like that, just a group report system, like a bot receives 20 reports from different players, the bot will instantly be muted, then the mods may determine if the bot/person gets banned.

[twilit owl]

If you set expectations its fine. The ban system doesn't matter, at all. It costs nothing but time, when time was already limited.

Steam/Epic game store actually made it slightly easier to RMT.

Because you buy the game, spam for an hour, return the game, repeat.

[round jungle]

hope they just update their AC... it's way to easy to bot ingame

[twilit owl]

You're never actually at threat of losing your investment, because you never really made it lol

So you need to find stupid ways to force the return window to end

[small jay]

Well, CoF may not be as fast for gearing.. but we are a happy bunch. Anyone want a 1LP ladle? I have 20 lol

[round jungle]

or a zone chat that you can pick..

[twilit owl]

I don't even pick up 1-2 LP items anymore lol

They just sit on the ground forever.

[round jungle]

i'm going to sleep

[flint igloo]

copium

[small jay]

A CoF players 2LP is your 4LP bro.

[twilit owl]

I am CoF, I'm not a housewife

I don't need to play shopping all day.

[small jay]

Hell yeh!

[twilit owl]

I do have both, but it was only to test through both. MG is at 8, CoF is at 10.

[flint igloo]

how much are t7 flat lightning damage daggers on MG?

[twilit owl]

just lightning damage, or melee lightning damage?

[flint igloo]

flat lightning

[blissful rivet]

damn i just sold a ring for 10 million

If i only i was high enough rank to BUY anything

[pale steeple]

Suffer silly merchant

[rugged crest]

im so sorry whoever posted that t6 frost claw relic

for 20k

but ty

[daring minnow]

can i bum some gold? for a amulet for my build? just 200k

[pale steeple]

no

[daring minnow]

smh

[quartz moss]

How much t7 frostclaw go for

[rugged crest]

50m

[manic zephyr]

Swapping from cof and mostly all uniques without lp are free is this normal XD oh boy do I regret cof

[tender field]

Any chance someone has a list of what items are good to sell or what affixes? i just started a week ago and still learning

[blissful rivet]

the good ones arent

[small jay]

Yeh cos ez free loot is great gaming amirite? Man so many instant gratification playas in the house.

[pallid jungle]

I use last epoch tools filters from others, works fine

Yesterday 100kk profit, before using filters probably wouldnt pick up some of that items 😅

[blissful rivet]

only bcz the garbage uniques are 0

[manic zephyr]

no i see it does get boring not having to grind but grinding 48hrs on a broken dungeon for a gear piece that wont drop when you can get it instantly free?

no brainer

[blissful rivet]

Based

[civic grove]

what scales the price of jungle belt? I lucked out on an almost maxed out one. Not sure if the 9 digits one in bazaar are legit gonna sell

46% phys, rest are max

2LP

[pallid jungle]

Yesterday bought 3x with 1LP for 6-7kk, so 2LP moree

[tender field]

fasho thanks

[mellow walrus]

how do i accept a trade from another player?

[grim rock]

why the prices for a 3lp or 4lp item now so high wtf 😮
4LP MAd laddel cost now 500mio + ? last week it was on 200... that was already high... how to get that money wtf!

[small jay]

You haveto find GG loot and sell it. Or........ a 4LP ladle is my BiS too but am i ever going to find one as CoF? Nope. It needs to be super expensive

[stark glacier]

Hot take, 4LP items are kinda strong, you'll be fine without them

[blissful rivet]

its nice for no rng

imagine the rage of a 3 lp item and miss the exalt

[iron quiver]

it helps if it's in the runnings for most used unique item in the game right now lol. demand creates competition

[small jay]

Im just in awe at how different the mind sets are of the 2 differing guilds. Its like im playing a different game entirely

[frail thistle]

There is pretty much no source of gold sink in the game rn Prices will continue to sky rocket

[spiral cliff]

Does anyone know which exalted items or affixes sells on higher end generally in market? It's so difficult to find what is a good item to sell and which is trash

[errant geyser]

you can check the top builds in the maxroll tier list or in the LE arena leaderboard then see what affixes they put on their legendaries

mot expensive are probably the most used warlock & falconer ones

[thin trout]

Day 21 reminder that you still can’t search certain affixes in the bazaar

[karmic zenith]

have you heard of lightless arbour lol

[stark glacier]

Look up the phrase "pretty much"

Arbor evidently doesn't do enough

[calm anchor]

is there any fundamental criterion 4lp for sale anywhere?

seems its impossible to find in MG 😄

[unborn grove]

that's scam

[carmine pilot]

p/c for clean 3lp bleeding heart?

[pearl osprey]

Hello someone know how the MG economy is in Hardcore? Is it worth it or is there no market?

[cursive bone]

would it be a bad idea to swap from CoF to MG?

[knotty light]

spend over 80mil just on two items to make good legendaries and made just one of them soo 😄

[dawn hound]

WHEN we will have THESE updates into Merchant guild:

• Improved Search for numeric values of affixes
• One stop shop NPC or pet so you don't travel / run / spend tons of time for trade
• More rewarding system, so it motivates you to actually trade MORE

[fluid locust]

Is there some good general filter for MG ?

[low prawn]

" more rewarding system "

what?

youre pretty motivated to trade

literally able to use gold to buy sh1t and bypas frankly stupid levels of rng

an npc for accessing the market???? homie no. Use the faction menu teleport

How would the npc even work? Just have everything from every store in one menu?? Thatd probably crash the servers

as for the numeric searches.... outside of stuff that only has 1 tier ( uniques and such ) you can use the tier thing to search via tier

I do wish you coudl specify tier per stat tho instead of it being for ALL

[teal willow]

hmm my blast knife sold instantly for 110 million, maybe I should have listed it for more 😄

[low prawn]

your what?

[digital nexus]

https://i.imgur.com/Iy73JGQ.png

same

[low prawn]

oh rogue item

[teal willow]

wow nice close to mine in stats

[cunning patrol]

Any rough idea on how much a one handed axe with +340% chance to shred armour would sell for? Can't search shred armour in the affixes search 😦

[low prawn]

cause its not listed under shred armor

[cunning patrol]

What is it listed as?_?

[karmic sparrow]

i like how on reddit every post that mentions 500% per week inflation not being normal is getting downvoted lol

[golden oxide]

So when you switch an alt between factions you lose all your favor. Assume I have 10K merchent favor and 200K COF favor. If I start an alt out on merchents guild and then later switch to circle of fortune... does my merchant guild favor go to 0 and my COF favor stays at 200K? Or do I lose both?

[random matrix]

you dont loose anything

[golden oxide]

Yeah you do. You lose all your favor for the one you switch out of. The question is do you lose all the favor for the one you switch into as well

[digital nexus]

you should only lose the favor for MG

[teal willow]

becuase reddit is mostly CoF players and they want MG to stay like that

[wispy orbit]

When you switch you give up the favour in the faction you leave

You keep your rank though

I have no idea where people are getting this insane amount of gold lol

[teal willow]

lucky drops lol

farm corruption over 500 on an OP build that is cheap to easily get that high

[thin trout]

what do you mean? you dont want to pay 1.5 million gold to duplicate 2h axe drops? lmfao

[karmic sparrow]

but lightless arbor also isn't super good for CoF either, there is simple no good gold sink in the game

[thin trout]

Im convinced this game was made by robots

[karmic sparrow]

the fact that expected return from gambling 80-100 millions of gold in LA is somehow worse then buying 1 item on bazaar is crazy

[drowsy rock]

CoF just shouldnt be a thing with how weak it is, there should just be an open market and no factions at this point

[thin trout]

There is nothing anchoring the price of gold except speculation. The system is completely flawed. Ive been having such a fun time watching the slow realization of this in discord over the past 2 weeks

[karmic sparrow]

even a simple sales tax would work wonders for prices

[signal idol]

early in the cycle (like first week) i said exactly this, people were not convinced and telling me that there's the arbor to fix it lol

oh and that i don't understand economics at all

[thin trout]

same. if you read though my comment history here, youd see the same concerns and the same negative reactions

[karmic sparrow]

a lot of people are still convinced an ability to sell legendaries made from bought uniques is bad

i have no idea why

[thin trout]

The best fix is to correlate gold to a useful crafting mechanic imo, get rid of tiered bazaar restrictions, and lower favor reqs (if not just remove them)

[signal idol]

pretty sure those are the people making the pikachu surprised face now inflation is hitting

yeah give us a "oh f this ima use my gold for this instead since it's worthless in the bazaar" thing

[drowsy rock]

or just an open play market and get rid of/change the factions to maybe an adventure based faction and a crafting faction with drawbacks to both

[thin trout]

right lmao. honestly its been a blast now that i dont really play anymore. Couldnt care less if the devs fail or succeed at this point. they dont really listen and their intial stance on trade was semi convoluded... like they didnt want trade ever, but made the decision to hype a trade system up for more game sales yet fail compeltely BECAUSE of their dislike of trade

[karmic sparrow]

1.1 will show a lot, i hope to see some reworks and fixes, not just content patch

[civic sparrow]

can someone explain to me why an item i droped got the cannot be traded tag even tho i didn't drop him with COF?

[signal idol]

i mean, afaik they added trade like last minute and until then game was to be ssf, still missing a gold sink is a big oversight (and don't frigging mention that arbor) but i hope they gonna do stuff in the cycles.
Also bots will always be there to be a thorn in the side, don't think any game has won against them yet, but at least if the base is good shouldn't be as bad as it is now

[thin trout]

its just not a winnable battle against rmt. noone will ever solve it because its not solvable. Even now gold sales are rampant WITH all the restrictions they have

[signal idol]

i would be skeptical normally... but yesterday i got a mountain helmet that i couldn't sell aswell... so... bug? also if it was traded to you by someone else that makes it untradable

[thin trout]

Trade bots can be hindered by good server side detection methods though

[signal idol]

yeah gotta live with that, but if they fix the base economy at least it'll be much better, wait and see is all we can do i guess

[signal idol]

without resale for items, unless it's to spike the price of something, trade ones shouldn't be that bad, i'd say the gold farming ones are the problem

[civic sparrow]

i didn't do any exchange and nothing yet when dropped it got the tag 😦 what's the point then of farming to sell if yo u can't sell i don't understand their tag system here

[karmic sparrow]

it's funny LE added trade last minute because of popular demand and now PoE2 is adding trading because of LE

[signal idol]

i got like 20-30 items to sell, only one had this problem and after i didn't get this problem so doesn't seem like it happens often, do understand it's frustrating, especially if it's a high ticket item, if that's the case try to open a ticket or something

[thin trout]

poe has always had trade. LE hype influenced poe2 decision for "instant buyout" options. I dont really agree with it, and i really think jonathan will backtrack that change if its anything limiting like LE

[karmic sparrow]

but isn't poe2 adding actual in-game trade?

[thin trout]

No

Its still all handled via their trade site

[signal idol]

there's a place for insta buyout, just use it for bulk stuff, gear itself imho can use the system that's in place atm

[thin trout]

correlating to stashes ect. But also, theres always been "in game" trade so im not really sure what you mean

[civic sparrow]

alright i'll see what to do then thanks for the insight also one last question sorry to annoy you :/ but what can i do to avoid having this tag outsite of bugs ?

[civic thunder]

Lmao what a take. "I don't like it, so nobody else should have the chance for satisfaction"

[signal idol]

if you're MG it just shouldn't happen, at least not to my knowledge, not sure if it's a dungeon thing too, since it only happened to me that once and was the arbor helmet

[thin trout]

Instant buyout would be great for bulk, i only dont agree with it because you need to use a special currency (gold) you gain in maps. I understand the point to an exent... but i dont think thats proper implimentation

[signal idol]

oh no, i meant for poe1 aswell, haven't followed much about poe2, leaving it out so i can just go in fresh

[thin trout]

Gotcha

[signal idol]

i did hear there was gold but not much detail about it

[civic sparrow]

maybe i droped it before it became MG it was a Vaion's chariot thanks a lot for the help @signal idol

[karmic sparrow]

i don't remember perfectly but zizaran interview from 1 month ago, i'm pretty sure i heard something about it

[dawn hound]

clown orc answer from a person never actually being part of ACTUAL trade in PoE. Which is currently better in every aspect apart auto-filling the order, LOL

[thin trout]

Theres always been in-game trade though. The only change they are making, is a function to allow instant buy-out if you use gold. Noone knows the actual details though

[low prawn]

This isnt PoE.

Move on.

Yes the MG needs improvement, no, we dont need 2/3 things you even brought up.

[thin trout]

i forgot that the $35 you spent on the game is worth more than our $35

my bad

[signal idol]

oh, actually i have no clue how arena works, so i could've missed stuff there, i forgot to add that you cannot trade items from the faction gambler too, to make sure, are there any of those boots for sale in the bazaar? (just to see if it's untradable in general)

[karmic sparrow]

but isn't instant buyout + search basically is bazaar? just gold is basically MG rep

[civic sparrow]

yes there are they cost 2m for 0lp so that's a little boomer 😢

[thin trout]

Not my understanding. They are still using their trade site. my guess is that there will be a special stash tab you can use that allows instant buyouts etc. I think you may want to watch a video on poe's trade to get a wider base understanding

[signal idol]

depending on how hard you want to go about it, first try to ask the community channel if there's someone more knowledgeable about this topic and if nothing comes up an actual ticket, at least to know why you can't seel (or if lucky they may remove the tag i guess)

[karmic sparrow]

so it's bazaar just on website and not in game vendor, i still don't see a functional difference

maybe because last time i played poe was 8 years ago lol

[thin trout]

But yeah, gold is basically the MG's favor. Just gonna be way less punishing to players, and will ONLY apply to instant buyout sells. The way trade works now will still be in the game

[civic sparrow]

okey will do ! thanks a lot for your help

[thin trout]

The functional difference is that it will be less difficult to sell items as gold costs wont require you to run 3 t16 maps to sell 1 unique item etc. And it will also be different, because you can trade without the gold/favor restriction normally as it has been the past 10 years, just without the instant buyout option. does that make sense

[karmic sparrow]

i mean functional difference from LE to poe2, not from poe1

i guess the fact the LE normal hand to hand trade is limited

[thin trout]

yes - this applies to poe2.

The trade site for poe2 will function the exact same way as it does in poe1 except there is an ADDITIONAL feature where you can "instant buyout/sell" by using gold. But you do not need to.

[low prawn]

I do really get tired of all the PoE comparisons and talk whena new arpg drops.

Just play the damn game

[karmic sparrow]

i did for 200h

now waiting for 1.1

[low prawn]

we arent already in 1,1?

coulda sworn we were

[signal idol]

1.0.3.3

[thin trout]

1.0.3.2a was last patch so no

^

[low prawn]

hmm. Wonder how far off 1.1 we are then

[karmic sparrow]

2+ months

probably

[signal idol]

didn't say something like 3-4 month cycles? so 2-3 months off i think (it's around 1 month into the launch right?)

[karmic sparrow]

my guess would be 2-4 weeks before poe2 beta starts

[thin trout]

Doesnt matter? They're stating they are trying to make the "best arpg" on the market, so ofc discussions are going to arise involving the current best ARPG on the market

[karmic sparrow]

they also said in interviews they will put cycle starts the way they don't overlap with PoE and D4

[thin trout]

1.1 will be the next cycle @low prawn

[signal idol]

i think they can skip D4, def don't overlap with PoE tho xD

[karmic sparrow]

doesn't d4 have differen teams for odd and even seasons?

i think s2 was not terrible recieved

never played i dunno

[thin trout]

no idea never played beyond release. got bored prob 200hrs in or so.. similiar to what LE is doing for me

[quartz lintel]

only a small part was left after the terrible first season... was so sad that a full guild barely had 15 playing members end of season 1...

[karmic sparrow]

april 16 for diablo 4, june 7th for poe2 beta start, i think it's very safe to assume that LE 1.1 will come out in may

[signal idol]

i never played it so everything is just from videos and hearsay but from my understanding, endgame is non-existant and there's no depth to the game, now season 2 wasn't bad in itself but didn't help any of the game problems (and let's not talk about the badly received ones).
But if you aren't getting to endgame anytime soon it seems it's a fun game

[thin trout]

Im pretty sure its just 3 month after release for cycles like they said no? They definitely think itll be good to stagger around other ARPG cycles/leagues whatever but it wont matter. imo game will not be able to ever compete with poe1 let alone poe2. Thats just objectively thinking.. not being bias

[karmic sparrow]

from what i understand people liked season 2 mehcanics (i think it was vampire stuff?) but d4 didn't keep any of them, just added some items with vampire effect later

basically season didn't add permanent content

so the game is still barren, but the season itself was well recieved

[signal idol]

yeah but that was it, fun, it never solved any problems for the game, since the base itself (leaving out endgame) is ok, adding something fun will get players back, but for more hardcore fans it's just about trying that out and dip

[karmic sparrow]

it's hard to say based on gameplay style poe2 looks very different from poe1 so far in terms of speed/APM

[distant shale]

someone can kill t4 temportal sanctum for me?

[karmic sparrow]

LE is also mild on APM and number of effects on the screen

[signal idol]

if you're EU i can do a runù

[distant shale]

awesome! Alextria ign ❤️
server doesnt matter actually
it will transfer me to europe when joining your group

[thin trout]

poe1 remains being maintained and developed alongside the new title. And their cycles are staggered in a way to "compete" with themselves further pushing any other game away from "capitalizing" purely on mid-league interims

[karmic sparrow]

btw proper game balance would actually somewhat help trading economy too, some items are extremely overpriced because 2 new classes are like twice as powerful

[signal idol]

if only i didn't go for the explody ballista build... my eyes.. still playing but went with the bow version i don't have the frigging white flashes lol

[signal idol]

true but this will always happen to popular builds regardless of how op they are

[karmic sparrow]

builds yes, but classes is a big problem

bad falconer is better than good bladedancer build

just for the fact that you have random 400-800% added effectiveness on skills

for 0 reason

i'm not sure if it's even possible to make falconer build and not clear 500c

while it is VERY possible with forge guard

[signal idol]

oh don't underestimate how bad people are lol

[dreamy ledge]

I had a buddy play who quit before the 2nd Mono as Paladin because, and I quote: "Skills don't work the way they say and I can't stop being 1 shot no matter how I change my build or playstyle."

Same guy who is on like, NG+13 of Elden ring.

Viandante's quote is the correct one. Never underestimate. 🤣

[karmic sparrow]

probably something dumb like ignore crit defenses

but it's not very well explained how important that is

[signal idol]

some people just don't wanna put in the effort, i refuse to believe you go to NG+13 in elden ring and can't even finish normal monos!

[karmic sparrow]

if you don't search for it

[dreamy ledge]

We'll never know, cause he wont reinstall to let me help look over anything. 🤷‍♂️

[signal idol]

yeah but crit doesn't kick in until you get a bit of corruption tho, assuming you have basics defences down

[steel fossil]

skill issue

[dreamy ledge]

I offered, and he whined a bit more, so I moved on and haven't brought it up since then. 🤷‍♂️

Not my problem, i'm over here on my 2nd character having a blast.

I almost want to make a Paladin to prove a point though...

[steel fossil]

im a paladin and dont get 1 shot

its not that hard

[karmic sparrow]

from what i understand about EHG, new = overpowered

[signal idol]

ARPGs are the types of games that you can never get friends into, at leave i gave up, either they get in by themselves (and after i'll help with some gifs and stuff) or i won't waste my time

[dreamy ledge]

He's played almost 500hrs of D3 just with me, lol.

Not saying D3 is hard or anything, but he has knoweldge of ARPGs, he just expected this to be baby mode I guess, IDK.

[karmic sparrow]

i still think MMO ARPG is unexplored goldmine

someone please make lost ark without pay to win garbage and with seasons

[signal idol]

don't know how to put it... but D3 isn't the game i would use a metric for someone getting into ARPGs, the learning curve is almost non-existant in that game

[dreamy ledge]

WITHOUT pay to win? Impossible!

[signal idol]

also i sold something in the 22nd page of my "sold items"... nice and all but i want a "sold" filter lol

[karmic sparrow]

tbh knowing how market works now, 1.1 will be so different in terms of strategy

like farming peak of the mountain first week, focusing on rares

[signal idol]

i hope they do enough rework to make it completely new so it'll be different, doubt it'll be the case but let me dream
EDIT: also that's what i did this cycle anyways (i refuse sell rares and exalteds tho)

[karmic sparrow]

could've had 10-20m on day3 if i used all keys for lp0 peaks

EHG from what i understand don't completel nerf into oblivion

pretty sure peak will still be meta for crit builds

[signal idol]

i told whoever was asking how to make gold "just do some arbors, even T3 is fine" ofc T4 would be better but peak's drop rate is 45 in t3 and 50 in t4

[karmic sparrow]

what i actually hope for is the set item rework/buffs they are talking about

[signal idol]

oh yeah, wonder what they are gonna come out with

[karmic sparrow]

even 1.5 weeks after release

you could still just run t1 LA

for lp0 peaks

it takes like 2 min on falconer

45% chance to get 300k gold

[signal idol]

i'm pushing corruption so now i have 0 defense and in T4 i get 1-shot from rocks every now and then lol

[karmic sparrow]

i still hope LE adds more way to avoid specific types of content

i'm definitely not a fan of dungeons as they are

and would like alternative ways to make legendaries

maybe legendary forge in 500+ monos or something

[signal idol]

they are definetly adding endgame content for 1.1, not sure about anything else tho

[cursive bone]

is there no text search for items in the bazaar?

[frozen rune]

dungs would be fine if it was just the boss battle

boss battles are fun, one of the better one's if we're talking t4 in my opinion, but traversing the dungeon itself is tedious and is fun maybe the first couple of times you do it

[formal sierra]

Hey! got a question how do i transition from cof to merchant guild?`i wanted to level up both but when swapping i cant wear all my gear except 2 pieces xD

[lament willow]

I would have just done it while making an alt(how I did it) - so it is fresh

[green edge]

I wanted to trade a aring with my friend but his rank was not high enough, now the item is gone from my inventory. Can I collect the ring somewhere? Or is it just gone?

[tiny spire]

Would it be good for me to change to this faction if im lvl 100? i think circle of fortune is nice but towards late game I will have issues trying to get the insanely rare affixs while being able to exchange items with players for gold to get what I want in the future

[hot echo]

How much of your gear is tagged CoF? You won’t be able to wear that

[tiny spire]

oo i will have to check that thanks for letting me know

[oblique oak]

wow i remember Red Rings were like 6M a week into cycle, then last weekend they were as low as 12-15M (i had around 10M so still couldn't buy)....now cheapest are 50-60M? i see the posts above where people are making 300k/2 mins but not every class can do that. that's some crazy jumps in price.

[fringe gyro]

Only if you play from start of season , and now on 500-1000 corruption

[frozen rune]

am i tweaking or is there no celestial ring in subtypes search?

oh nvm

its in uniques for some reason

[teal willow]

what corruption makes 300k in 2 min?

[elder bobcat]

Is there a way to see the global sales history for a specific item? Similar to Albion Online

I'm new and i'm overwhelmed by the amount of items that i don't know how much i should put up for sale

[fluid shoal]

How much would a 3LP CHronicle of the Damned go for?

[warm zenith]

can i get a price check for https://i.imgur.com/Gx0i1mk.png 🙂

[reef goblet]

rare items are worthless

[warm zenith]

for the most part id agree but not for this one 🤔

[austere grove]

can someone tp me to the bazzar? tried asking in lfg and no luck

[reef goblet]

there is nothing special about that item. resist are super easy to get. and any exalted item with one of those stats as T6/7 is much better. Plus there is no market for rares. Almost nobody looks for rares. That item won't sell.

[warm zenith]

lmk how many turqoise rings you find tho with these stats and their price

its 3/4 bis stats for the explosive ballista rogue, elemental resist being the 5th best stat imo and good rolls on implicits

[frozen rune]

why would you buy a ring that you're gonna run around for an hour or two before getting a much better exalted for like 10k max?

most people have their lootfilter setup to hide t6 exalts now, and you're concerned about a RARE ring you can beat with investing only favour...

[warm zenith]

lmk how many cheap turqoise rings you find with good rolls then 😄

the cheapest RARE one is already 2mil with much worse rolls

[warm zenith]

https://i.imgur.com/XuLxHIr.png

uh huh

priced it too low probly too

ppl out here dont know that meta build items sell for stupid amounts regardless of exalted or not 💀

[fluid shoal]

How much would a 3LP CHronicle of the Damned go for?

[warm zenith]

cheapest one is for 0gold

https://i.imgur.com/KXM3LlN.png

[frozen rune]

damn guess i was wrong then

[warm zenith]

cant expect everyone to know every meta build item price its ok 🤷‍♂️

[mossy grotto]

gold prices are also just doomed

[warm zenith]

with all the bots and rmt? yea it is

i cant even imagine how anyone would farm that much gold without botting bringing in gold to the economy

[mossy grotto]

eyea i think next cycle im just gonna play cof

[warm zenith]

if they buff cof i would

[frozen rune]

why wont they buy just a t6 ele res for 30-100k and try to craft it though? seems much cheaper even if it takes you a couple tries? is there something i dont know about??

[warm zenith]

depends on implicits mostly id say

getting good minion damage and crit damage multiplier is so hard with the stat range being so massive

5-35%

the pain of needing turqoise rings is insane compared to builds that dont use them

[jolly yacht]

can someone tell me how I can improve this for my necro - https://prnt.sc/Qbn9lU-UanjM

[frozen rune]

oh yeah the implitics are probably pain the ass to roll unless you have like 40 forge potential to spare, fair enough

[frozen rune]

yeah im thinking about that but i get flashbacks to not dropping frostbite shackles for like 20 runs

not even 0lp ones

[lofty elbow]

https://imgur.com/a/BdlMZxn price check?

[unkempt berry]

Question, can i trade an item to my friend in person if he doesnt have enough rank in merchant guild ?

[lofty elbow]

if u have resonance yes but if not must be enough rank to buy whatever item ur trading

[unkempt berry]

Oh so the rsnk still applies to in person trade

[topaz basin]

For some of the items in the market for like 100mil gold do they actually sell at that price or is it just people that posting crazy prices?

Like for a 2Lp Twisted Heart for example

[warm zenith]

Tbf a 2lp twisted heart is pretty hard to get so their price is believable to me

[topaz basin]

Okay thanks I just didn’t wanna post to sell and then have it sit there forever 😂

[warm zenith]

If its a unique, just post it for around the same price as the cheapest one with the same lp

Itll sell 100%

Exalted and rares is where prices get tricky

[tiny spire]

btw how much do the lp 1 twisted heart sell for i have 1

[twin drift]

Is there a trick to leveling your rep? Do I just buy random stuff?

[signal idol]

just use favour with the faction gambler, for getting more favour is just push as much corruption as you can

[twin drift]

ok

[signal idol]

it's 1 favour used = 2 rep, doesn't matter how you use it, of course if you need to buy stuff prioritize that

but when i was looking for fast lvl up using all my favour i just popped those 4.2k favour items from the gambler

[twin drift]

ah ok

thank you

[rustic totem]

ne1 shoot me a wp to bazaar?

[strong quarry]

whats a good price for this one? see some going for 50M+ but not sure which stats are the most important on it https://imgur.com/a/qiQCdbZ

[blazing musk]

how you make so much money ?

is there a tricks to get millions ?

[daring lake]

get high value items that are meta rn, sell for slightly under market price or if its a good roll at/above what everyone else is selling it at

[blazing musk]

i mean beford you get one .... how can you farm 50m+ easy

[brazen jungle]

what's the fastest way to grind favor? EXP tome monolith nodes at lv100?

[tiny spire]

also get the blessing for xp and change it once you are a hundred

[brazen jungle]

Clutch suggestion, thank you! Do you know if I still get MG favor for EXP tomes at lv100? Or should I kill my toon to reset before 100 so I can keep getting them?

[tiny spire]

not sure

[tiny spire]

also try getting xp pillars when you can in monoliths

[tiny spire]

checked it it does actually work

[tiny spire]

also push corruption when you can more xp for that monolith

[signal idol]

you do get favour at 100, you also get xp lol

[twilit surge]

For you lot who chose MG, how often do you get drops which sell for a decent amount?

[quartz perch]

every 5 minutes, just need the right lootfilter and high corruption hehe

[twilit surge]

And how much would they sell for on average?

[knotty light]

you know CoF bonuses arent that great if something have 1%chance to drop it will increas it to 1,3%, ye you got more stuffs but most of them you wont use ever, while we sell them even for 100k. Started playin CoF up to 9lv then made another character in MG where i had way better drop 😄

[quartz perch]

between 300k and 1M easily

[quartz perch]

sold over 500 items already, its not that hard to find good items in LE

[stark shard]

Has anyone given both factions a try? Which one do you prefer?

[knotty light]

CoF is only good if u want challange if u want minimax MG is way to go

[elder mason]

you mind sharing a loot filter for mg?

[burnt falcon]

Can I swap from COF to MG to buy a couple 0LP uniques and then swap back, or is there a CD or need to lvl MG or smth?

[knotty light]

no

[stark shard]

Nope, what is purchased or found in one guild cannot be worn by the other

[burnt falcon]

Well that is depressing

[teal willow]

lp2 twisted heart, exsang, last step all so expensive , but its the only way to make Primalist even 1/4th as good as other classes. RIP.

[burnt falcon]

so i'd basically need to fully swap to MG

[stark shard]

Would be a bit expoloity if you could do that

[teal willow]

100million for lp2 Heart

[stark shard]

I bricked a 87mil shattered chains belt last night , it was only 2lp

[teal willow]

i got a lp3 jelkors to drop and the money i made off of it it won't even cover 1 build 😄

for a weak class like Prima

which requires insane gear just to be okay

Guess i'll just stick with my Paladin

[stark shard]

See I went the OP marksman build and not a single normal piece is needed for BIS. All 3-4lp leg unique

No build is cheap

[teal willow]

Does that build need 3-4lp of the most insane items to do 1000 corr though? I'm sure I saw 1lp blast knifes doing that

Prima is kind of bad, and needs insane gear

[knotty light]

its not true. you need just 2daggers even with 0lp

[stark shard]

I’ve got 2-3lp gear and I’m pushing 1400 corruption

[knotty light]

and will do more dmg than most builds in game

[teal willow]

yeah

some classes are just cheaper

The really OP ones are cheaper to do 1k corruption. Then you have garbage like primalist that needs lp2-3 of all the LL ward gear to even try 1k

[stark shard]

Sure if you want to push max 100 curription, you need gloves boots chest to get the ward you need for sauevivability

[knotty light]

most of my gear get after 300coruption

[teal willow]

paladin and vk is cheap 1k+

you don't need LL ward gear, as HH is bugged

[blissful rivet]

im happy lots of my stuff is cheap

[knotty light]

right now im on 650 but im depressed with geting sec dagger with good mods 😄

[blissful rivet]

and i can sell expensive items

[teal willow]

Next time I decide to pick a non meta i'll go CoF.

[teal willow]

What build?

[blissful rivet]

rive healing hands

[teal willow]

ooh yeah

love it

HH builds can be cheap and reach pretty good levels, well good enough levesl for most

[blissful rivet]

sold a t7 dex ring for 10 mil yesterday...its a dead stat for me

my character cant even dodge lmao

[teal willow]

yeah I sold a throw attack/mana ring for 15 mill

i dont like throwing 😄

[blissful rivet]

it feels janky i tried throwing hammer early

[sleek cradle]

how can i find the Affix "Increased Critical Strike Chance With Lightning Skills" on the bazar ? Cant find it -.-

[quartz perch]

sure u are at the right trader?

[sleek cradle]

y

[quartz perch]

primalist idol trader

must be under "primalist"

[sleek cradle]

its a mage affix

cant post a picture 😦

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP68eelQ

[simple knoll]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,111, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 275, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 640%, Regen: 46/s
▸ Attributes: 28 Str / 23 Dex / 166 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 90% / 134% / 61% / 90% / 63% / 59%
▸ EHP: 1,795 / 1,795 / 1,795 / 1,728 / 1,660 / 1,482 / 1,431

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 222
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,161)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (25)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Runic Invocation (25)
• Frost Claw (27)
• Flame Ward (22)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Unstable Core
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Blood of the Exile
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros
• Swaddling of the Erased

This build has a guide:

New BROKEN Runemaster ENDGAME Build! Melts 1000+ Corruption SCREEN WIDE! by Mattjestic MultiGaming

[sleek cradle]

check the 3 slot idols 🙂

[midnight kernel]

When I search for item it will say in the menu like 39 forging potential but when I hover that item it will say 0 so which is correct ?

thought maybe is known bug

[quartz perch]

its called critical strike chance for lightning skills in bazar

[sleek cradle]

no 😦

there is only 1 with it, and thats for me and Minions

[quartz perch]

yes there is 😄

[sleek cradle]

send me a pic pn plz

i cant find

[tiny spire]

can someone please check the item i showcased and tell me what price is fair

nvm its isnt much

[plucky wadi]

inflation is real... 3LP mad alchemists ladle was 11mil yday now its 20mil ....

[livid aspen]

yeah the gold sellers are down to charging like $0.29 for a mill

[blissful rivet]

people actually buy gold?

[livid aspen]

are you kidding?

[blissful rivet]

bruhhh

its like buying only fans

[plucky wadi]

yeah i mean whats the point? buy out full build and then what?

[livid aspen]

some people clear content to get gear, some people get gear to clear content
gold selling was pretty much guaranteed with how EHG set the game up

[mossy grotto]

welcome to every game with trading LOL

[livid aspen]

I mean hell, there's RMT in freakin overwatch. maybe there's even RMT in that like Puffin game, idk
but no EHG straight asked for it to be more of a problem than it needs to be

[plucky wadi]

how so?

[mossy grotto]

i mean any game with player trading is gonna end up having RMT

[livid aspen]

combination of making the market bad for crafting and just incremental gains, the LP system, and the map pushing have compounding returns

[burnt star]

So i just got Factions unlocked. anyone wanting to buy a ladle?

[wicked forum]

i just made an alt to check out gm faction and i saw some of the meta items that cost 100m+ for 2lp...how reaslistic it is that you will be able to afford that with gm faction and selling items on what it seems overcrowded market ?

[plucky wadi]

Imo we shouldnt need to choose between the two... they should just let all the players play both "factions"

[karmic sparrow]

do people actually think that gold inflation was caused by rmt/dupe and not Lightless arbor massively failing at its job?

even if you could dupe 100 trillion gold, if LA was working even remotely as intended, it would've fixed inflation

[autumn finch]

Immolation belt with no lp? Can snyone ingame look price ? Hehhe

😘

[blissful rivet]

true

[livid aspen]

sure, but -how-?

the point of MG is to just buy the gear you need
how is LA ever supposed to be a better use for gold than just straight buying your bis?

[karmic sparrow]

it depends on the prices of your bis

if your bis cost 100m gold

[livid aspen]

wrong imo, because inflation is topdown

[karmic sparrow]

if inserting 100m gold into LA produced more items for sale than the price of your bis

everyone would do it and stop buying it

the price would go down

the problem is inserting 100m gold into LA doesn't produce even remote the same value of items

[livid aspen]

the people who have all the gold who are actually buying things for 100m are going to just use MG and keep that gold in the market

the market is designed to bifurcate pretty hard

[karmic sparrow]

i don't know current price but imagine LP2 apogee cost 150m gold

imagine you could spend 150m gold in LA and get two LP2 apogee

what would happen to the price on MG?

it's pretty easy, prices on MG are limited by quality of loot in LA

if the buff LA by 1000% tomorrow, prices on literally everything on the market will go down

instantly

the problem is finding the correct balance

[livid aspen]

I see what you're saying, but I think youre barking up the wrong tree, because all youre really talking about is using LA gold-to-item rates as effectively a price ceiling on the whole game

theoretically it already does that, we just havent hit that ceiling

[karmic sparrow]

yes

that's my point

LA is too weak

and doesn't do it's job

there is no way items should actually cost 500m gold

if they are that's some weird balance

[livid aspen]

I think the bigger problem is more fundamentally the lack of reselling and the fact that most items that arent legendaries are effectively consumables in the long run, creates immense item scarcity

[karmic sparrow]

if you insert 10m gold into LA right now, you'd be lucky to get items worth 2m back

[livid aspen]

compared to poe, where conversely its currencies that get consumed

and it still has inflation

[karmic sparrow]

i mean yeah LA is not the only way

they could just add more gold sinks

imagine you failed to slam exalt into legendary but could undo it with some rare drop worth 50m gold or something

that would also fix inflation long term

[livid aspen]

as a laughing matter, if this ratio is roughly accurate, that means the market has only 5x inflation left to go

[karmic sparrow]

wait not really

it's will be infinite then

well at least for high price items

especially since some items don't appear in LA loot table

[livid aspen]

nah, because while you the player might get more than 10m back in returns from MG, thats still 10m gone from the system

[karmic sparrow]

they are technically indinite right

[livid aspen]

as long as LA is actually being used, the gold is gone, and inflation eventually caps

[karmic sparrow]

yeah true

the problem is market is weird and some items are going down

like lp0 omnis

worth like 30k now

and it will continue to go down

even lp1 is like 50k

i wouldn't be surprised if ring of atlaria is worth 300m in 2 weeks

[livid aspen]

yeah whats it at now?

[karmic sparrow]

yesterday it was 80m

2 weeks ago 8m

i bought for 5m

honestly, modifiers for LA vault are just too weak

they should add something like a 10% chance for +1 lp on uniques

for for like 10m gold

[wooden birch]

whats the best farming spot for high value items to sell?

[small jay]

Oh so MG players have an even easier time gesring and cof can go get stuffed? Rofl

[karmic sparrow]

MG doesn't print gold out of nowhere

collectively 100 mg players would have the same amount of gold as 100 cof players

assuming the same levels of farm

i mean i guess top percent MG players who sell stuff would have it easier yes

[small jay]

You must be joking.... pls...

[karmic sparrow]

why isn't it... obvious?

[small jay]

The most obvious difference is, we cant sell anything for millions of gold?

[karmic sparrow]

but mg players sell it to other players

not to thin air

the collective amount of gold doesn't change

50 mg players sell 50 items to 50 others, the amount of total gold is literally the same

[small jay]

Yes they sell it to other MG players...

How exactly do CoF and MG players esrn the same gold?

[karmic sparrow]

mg doesn't increase gold drop rates in any way

that's it

100 mg players farmed 100m gold, some of the got locky and sold items, others bought it

but in total they still have 100m gold

[small jay]

Just answer this.. how do i get, as a cof player, 100 million gold?

[karmic sparrow]

you can't

that's why i said it will be easier for top % of MG players

but at the same time it will be harder for the bottom

bottm % of unluckiest MG players will have less gold than cof players do

[small jay]

Thats what im saying. Adding something that costs millions of gold to garentee LP when MG already has access to easier LP than CoF seems, less balanced

[karmic sparrow]

MG doesn't have it easier for everyone in MG

only for the top % of luckies ones

[small jay]

How so?

[karmic sparrow]

because bottom ones will be broke

more broke than cof players

[devout tulip]

personal think there should be a minimum sell limit on items so the market stays healthy to many 0 sells on LP items

[small jay]

That doesnt answer the question.. they have the same priviledges as every other mg player

[karmic sparrow]

but they don't have the same luck

to sell items worth millions

[small jay]

So free LP for MG players? Lol... k sounds good

I find it funny MG players trying to make it sound like they struggling... they literally can buy free 1LP items of whatever they need.

[devout tulip]

yeah but it crashes the market you can't have a healthy market if people are selling for 0 gold left and right if you want to sell for 0 gold just find someone and gift it

[karmic sparrow]

wow you can buy completely worthless items for free? what a privilege

[small jay]

Worthless??

[tiny spire]

if anyone is interested i listed apathy maw lp 2 with high dmg for 550k you are welcome

[karmic sparrow]

for everything except new characters

[devout tulip]

I mean a good chunk of people stay with a game for the market honestly if they find a decent roll and want to sell for 10k at least you get somthing

but if you can't sell anything because you have decent items going to 0 you will lose players just for that reason

[small jay]

What are 2LP items going for generally?

[karmic sparrow]

which ones? some 0 gold, meta items 150m gold

[devout tulip]

I seen like 4 today for 0 gold

[small jay]

Ok so 2LP 0 cost items are worthless too?

[karmic sparrow]

ofc

[tiny spire]

depends

if it is very rare

like heart

[small jay]

MG entitlement at its finest

[tiny spire]

it will sell for a lot

[karmic sparrow]

half of uniques in the game at Lp2 are straigh up downgrades from exalteds? it's basic game knowledge?

[devout tulip]

it's not worthless once you buy it you can't sell it that alone had rarity at least have a 20k sell price or somthing

[karmic sparrow]

kestrel at lp2 is also completely worthless for cof

what is the difference

people would just throw it away

or vendor

[small jay]

Well it depends on the uniqie.. oblation belt for example. 2LP, awsome.

[karmic sparrow]

like ring of atlaria at lp2 probably cost 1-2 billions

[devout tulip]

still need to have a minimum sell limit so gold can atleast change hand and keep an economy in the game

[karmic sparrow]

mostly because a lot of low lp items only usable in mid game

but you can't even buy them before mg level 8

which is like lvl ~98 xp wise

[small jay]

Which meta 2LP uniques are still pretty cheap?

[karmic sparrow]

none

i guess wraithlord helmet

[small jay]

So mad ladles?

[karmic sparrow]

mad ladle lp3 is cheap

[small jay]

Barbute helms

[karmic sparrow]

i sold mad ladle lpl3 for 4m gold

[small jay]

That already is a privilege over cof. Lol.. im done here.

MG players straight up have much easier gesring than cof.

[karmic sparrow]

only for mid game as i said

i mean i literally dropped lp3 ladle

[small jay]

Yeh but as cof, how do i get LP3 uniques? Fsrm right? I cant just walk up to a vendor and pluck it out with gold

[karmic sparrow]

without target farming cof have

it's effective level 17, it has 13% chance of being lp2

[small jay]

I have 26 1LP ladles in my stash

0 2LP+

[agile sequoia]

bad luck

[karmic sparrow]

literally yes

you have below average luch

[small jay]

I cant offset that lucky like MG can

[karmic sparrow]

with average luck 60 ladles will give you lp3

[small jay]

Yeh or just buy one.

[limber prism]

guys any hints on how to level fast on merchants guild? im farming Gambits of an Erased Rogue, but i cant find the mods i need on thoses Weavers roll, kinda want to buy one with the rolls i need

[karmic sparrow]

don't prophecies drop like 20+ uniques at once lol

[small jay]

Only if you take the lenses that increase the drops but also makes them cost 35000 favour

And 20 uniques can drop trash

[agile sequoia]

higher corruption and use the guild points each is worth 2 exp

[limber prism]

how does it work?

the use guild points stuff

[agile sequoia]

either buy stuff of market, list items or buy from the merchant npc

ton of 0gold items out there if thats what you choose

[limber prism]

got it

thats what i'll get

for sure

tyvm!! @agile sequoia

[agile sequoia]

🤘 @limber prism

[rare veldt]

are you able to go to bazar right away on an alt if someone drags you there?

[small jay]

How much are good exalts worth on MG? Like a tier 5 lifebto ward gloves?

[twilit surge]

Why are some items not on the bazaar?

I.e Maehlins Hubris + Boneclamor

They weren't coming up under each subtype

[small jay]

Meta items

[twilit surge]

I see

[brazen jungle]

surely boneclamor exists? are you looking for like 4lp or smth

[twilit surge]

Might as well run CoF if all rubbish uniques are 0 coins and all good ones aint even on there lmao

[twilit surge]

nah no lp

[brazen jungle]

try resetting and searching again? sometimes it bugs out for me. I've def seen boneclamor there before... but maybe it's selling like hotcakes rn idk lol

[twilit surge]

Not coming up under the uniques section

rip

[rare veldt]

ideally mg first and when youre ready for your bigger lp upgrades then can try cof, lots of builds dont even neep any lp till several hundred corruption in

[twilit surge]

oh 100% but i just wanted to buy 2 uniques my build needs with 0lp and they aint there

[brazen jungle]

try instead searching for unique + same lvl req as boneclamor

[twilit surge]

yup found it ahahhaha

[brazen jungle]

lmao. Yeah it's dumb

[twilit surge]

my bad everyone ty for help ❤️

[brazen jungle]

❤️

[wooden birch]

will the items that you put in merchants guild auction be delisted if you switch to cof

[upper arrow]

price check on decent rolled 3LP Draalsting 2-handed spear

[blissful rivet]

fckn 0

[silk rivet]

No clue, but if you have MG items equiped you cannot swap to CoF untill you unequip them, so i assume it will ask aswell to remove your listings

[rare veldt]

anyone know the answer to this

[upper arrow]

yes. you can party up and teleport to them at the bazaar

[rare veldt]

ty, gotta find someone for that since i dont really know when i can get access solo on an alt

[frail thistle]

what would be the best way to switch to merchants? ive been cof on every char on my account so far so should i maybe just make a new character and select mg at the start of the game to get the ranks leveled up a bit so i can find useable gear for my main when i switch?

[carmine pilot]

If I buy an item for a friend and hes in merchant guild can I give it to him or you cant gift items at all that you buy from stores?

[blissful rivet]

you have to play long enough to get a resonance that has his name on it then you can gift

[carmine pilot]

ye I know that just didnt know if it woprked in mg ty!

[blissful rivet]

tbh im not sure 100%

[small jay]

How do i use the last epoch tools planner to make a build and link it?

[unborn niche]

i wish there was an easy way to see the current market price of items

[vestal wagon]

anyone know what the "flesh of stone" uniques chest armor is? None are for sale and when i looked it up online, no info is available

[timber quail]

What would you guys list a double T6 piece of gear for? Found a pair of Citadel Boots with T6 Armor & reduce damage from crit and T6 flat health. There's none in the market so I don't have a reference point.

[fallen nacelle]

tips for levling merchant lvl

[livid aspen]

play the game

[wise flicker]

is it possibile to let a friend buy a legendary item on the merchant guild and then use a resonance obsidian to gift me ? since im not level 10 yet there

[vernal edge]

how can i change my exisiting blessing ? i can see there aree undiscovered blesssing at the bottom

[tiny spire]

That moment when you finally find the "1 items sold" on page 22 out of 23 xD

[ruby rune]

Anything to do with excess favour? got 500k and the gamblers stuff sucks

[frozen rune]

any pc on these rolls (5% health/+25 health)? dont want to scroll through 300 pages of idols https://imgur.com/a/oZXBrRh

[tulip vault]

You need to be rank 10 to equip a rank 10 item

[analog vale]

I have 5% and 30 HP selling for 3mill

[minor steppe]

man im lvl 89 and i cant do corruption 100 ..should i be looking for better gear?

is gamble worht it?

[frozen rune]

definitely lol

[frozen rune]

gambler NPC? not really

[minor steppe]

lol ok

[minor steppe]

from merchant?

[quartz perch]

buy items at Bazar

[twilit surge]

I'm level 70 and can't do temporal sanctum or the 2nd monolith boss lmao

I need 2 uniques for my build to work and I can't find em anywhere lmao

I've trapped myself

[minor steppe]

k thanks

[signal idol]

if you're EU and got the boss up i can kill it real quick for you

[twilit surge]

That's very kind but i'm not on right now

Really appreciate it though

[knotty light]

where is problem to buy 0lp? most of them cost 0-100k

[unborn flume]

Sometimes the search is weird

[twilit surge]

That + my rank not high enough and doing the same monolith without every doing the boss gets old fast lol

[frozen rune]

@twilit surge i can join u and kill the boss for u if u want

[twilit surge]

I'll get on now, how does that work? Just part up before I run it?

party*

[frozen rune]

yep

[twilit surge]

I'm on EU West rn

[frozen rune]

username?

[signal idol]

yeah we get in with you and kill it, also i'm going to run some monos so if you want you can join for a boost, just gotta follow me

[twilit surge]

I actually have no idea what my username is lmao

[twilit surge]

I'd love to 😄

[frozen rune]

steam name i assume

[twilit surge]

My steam name is GETREKD K1LLSTR43K

[signal idol]

what's your ign

[twilit surge]

Don't judge

[twilit surge]

Is there anyway to check?

I bought it at like 2am and can't remember what I put

[signal idol]

press H and right above "online" there's your name

[frozen rune]

send, dunno if you got something, if not press H, go to party and invite player and type in "Wolfnacht"

[twilit surge]

Got it

ItsEgo

Makes more sense

[signal idol]

yeah acc name and char name are different

[twilit surge]

Yeah I get confused my bad

[signal idol]

sent an invite

[frozen rune]

also, if you're struggling with the bird and his pizza attack, i highly recommend stacking movement speed and the fight becomes a breeze

[twilit surge]

I did it perfect in offline this char just so much more squishy

[frozen rune]

yeah its probably the second "hardest" boss after lagon when levelling up

feel free to invite me to a party if you're gonna struggle with him or any other boss

[twilit surge]

I appreciate that mate

[wispy canyon]

Hi, anyone knows if items bought by main through the bazaar, can be equipped with a new character i'll level ? or the new character needs to unlock the Merchant's guild himself, meaning finish the campaign first ? Wondering if Merchant guild can help rerolling a new character

[frozen rune]

once you are in the first city u can unlock merchants guild and you keep the level of it you gained on previous character

[wispy canyon]

that's marvelous news, thank you !

and can i level CoF in another character, while my main is still in merchant guild ?

[frozen rune]

didnt test it but from what i understand, yeah

you're just not gonna be able to equip items from MG on CoF character

and vice versa

[wispy canyon]

thank you so much

[frozen rune]

np

[chrome shuttle]

hello , i've my favor of my merchant repus who as been resette this night . Any one have the same trouble ?

[signal idol]

nope, did you change to CoF even for a moment?

[chrome shuttle]

on my alt only

[kindred thunder]

Hey guys! Is anyone available to tp me to the temporal sanctum dungeon entrance?

[split valley]

It does that when you join the other faction on alts

[signal idol]

hmm can you keep the favour if you have a char in each faction? or it's always gonna kill all fav when swappin

[split valley]

I have no idea what happens with a 3rd character. Usually that’s for the first 2

I think the main one can gain favour pretty quick for just a day

Push some corruption

[signal idol]

yeah once in high corruption getting favour is easy, just wondering how it works with multiple chars, since i'm a 1 char andy lol

[split valley]

I was the same up to yesterday 😄

Got a second chat started yesterday but I don’t think I’ve chosen the right class because I don’t like playing it

[signal idol]

this is the thing, you'll never feel the same power level as the main since you sunk so much time in it.. which leads to me never making 2nd chars, altho i am gathering gear for a CoF char (funny i can do that since i'm MG, just keep the picked up items instead of selling lol)

[chrome shuttle]

ok so there's a bug nice ^^

[twilit surge]

Bazaar having issues for anyone else?

[signal idol]

yeah a bit slow

[split valley]

I think it slows down on a busy days. Sunday been the same since start

[hexed sierra]

someone bought an idol that i want cuz of that

cant buy anything lol

items already sold and they are still on bazaar

[wild surge]

bazaar dont work fopr me

[livid aspen]

Hot take: I hate searching the market to list items so much. The search features are so bad.

I'm inches away from going and buying gold just to stop wasting my time using the market honestly

[signal idol]

i hate it aswell, in fact i rarely sell any exalted items at all, uniques are fine cause it's easy to check for, what i do is find my niche of items to trade for and just go for these my sales history is like 90% same items

once you stop worrying about "oh that may be worth millions!" and keep going with a strat it gets easier, but if each item on the ground you feel like that it'll be a terrible experience

[livid aspen]

That moment when you find nearly maxrolled meta idols or omnis, but almost regret finding them, because now you have to dig through dozens of pages of garbage just to find comparable listings

At this point I'm just like.... Do I even want the gold badly enough to list this?

Whatever gold I waste my time listing for today will be with half as much next weekend because of the gold sellers anyway

[signal idol]

oh, those... yeah no, i just go by nose, put a number at which i would feel fine selling for, maybe i lose some maybe they will rot in there forever but i refuse to dig trought pages, let's say very good omni, i'd check base let's say 500k and be like "sure, 5m for these good rolls"

[signal idol]

then again, if you put it for way too much gold it means next week they'll sell! lol

[spiral lantern]

when it comes to farming exp for merchants-guild. Is there a differnce curroption whise ? or is each mob same exp for merchants guild ?

Nachricht an #❔┃ask-the-community

[signal idol]

same as CoF, the more xp bonus you have the more favour/rep you get, higher corruption = better favour/xp/rep

[spiral lantern]

k ty

[twilit surge]

@signal idol #👑┃item-showcase Thanks to you 😄

[versed grotto]

is the AH slow right now?

[signal idol]

gz!

[grim sentinel]

I would highly suggest joining "the sanctum market" discord and getting a proper filter.

[silent relic]

if you're in ME, can you combine a non-faction item with a CoF item to make a legendary and still use it on your ME character?

MG*

[signal idol]

it won't let you combine them

[open bay]

U got a link for the discord?

[grim sentinel]

https://discord.com/invite/thesanctummarket

Be sure to check the fan-made filters, there has been quite a bit of discussion about them this morning.

[tiny spire]

lets go twisted heart lp 2

[autumn finch]

immolation belt price?, xD

[signal idol]

it's been a while since i checked, but no lp were like 600k-1m depending on rolls, 1lp was actually cheaper than no lp at like 300k-600k

[autumn finch]

oh good

[tiny spire]

btw cam someone give me a price rating for my lp 2 twisted heart

[signal idol]

are you on CoF?

[tiny spire]

merchant check item showcase

for exact stats

[signal idol]

i mean, either you can go and check pages of items or just check rolls and add value based on how good they are, don't think people wanna go ahead and do that for you

[tiny spire]

cheapest is 75mil but my one has only slight better stat

but i guess it would be bout same or close

[signal idol]

personally i'd slap it at the same price if it's just "slightly" better, but that's me. Ask yourself if you were the buyer how much would you pay extra for a "slightly" better item

if you wanna ask which stats are more important etc. that's fine, sometimes you may have a perfect roll on a stat that literally nobody cares about

[tiny spire]

i will keep it for now because I probably won't get a tier 3 if it is that rare

[signal idol]

you mean lp3? yeah that's not something you farm for, basically farm gold and buy it if you really want that

[tiny spire]

this item has better cast speed by 2 percent which matters for things like frost claw build

at least i want something like frost claw level and cast speexc

or whatever else is good

[signal idol]

sure, but it's still 2%, how much do you want to charge for that

[tiny spire]

i would either charge bout the same or keep it

for now i will continue farming drops are looking good on higher corruption

[signal idol]

of course if they were the same price i would buy the better rolled one, but if it's like 10% maybe not, unless there's breakpoint i gotta reach ofc

[signal idol]

seems the right way to go about this tbh, maybe do a few extra mils (since i'm already paying 75m prolly a bit more won't hurt)

[tiny spire]

there is only 1 lp3 heart

on the market

[signal idol]

yeah, it's that rare... and well people are mostly in the blood, frost death w/e it's called mono

[tiny spire]

and max price

[signal idol]

but farming for one, it's honestly not an option, of course you can try, but do it with as much as hope as you have to win the lottery

[tiny spire]

im farming reign of dragon for at least 2lp twisted heart

which was successful

now i think i will go frost biome

for the unstable core

[signal idol]

not saying no one is farming there, but check like 3lp shackles, i think there's way more of those than twisteds, just by the difference in amount of people farming the mono

[tiny spire]

i was able to find a relatively cheap lp2 ladle with decent shred and electrify

[signal idol]

may be wrong, but i think the rates should be similar for those 2 items

[tiny spire]

but after lp2 it gets quite high

[azure harness]

can i mirror an item that i dropped and sell both copies?

[hybrid spade]

What is the most efficient way to farm rep?

[signal idol]

not like you can't but losing all forging potential means the items has to be done and ready for either use or legendary fodder

[signal idol]

high corruption mono rushing

[hybrid spade]

targeting exp tomes i guess?

[signal idol]

for levelling early yeah, but at some point favour is just a non-issue, been sitting at 999999 for a while now lol

[azure harness]

it s a +3 frost claw relic, none of the other stats matter, people will just buy it to slam their 1 lp twisted hearts. thanks

[signal idol]

then yeah if it's worth good enough money to justify a rune of creation on it, would've said otherwise if it was a +4 frostclaw with good potential, in that case people would prolly pay good money for being able to craft mods on it for 2lps or even 3lp (and if lucky rune of creation on it to have 3 chances)

[clear cipher]

Did any of ya'll find a good loot filter for what sells on the market?

[signal idol]

still think you lose potential buyers for that, but as long as it sells it's fine, just make sure it has 4 affixes lol

[azure harness]

yep, it does

[signal idol]

can't comment on how good they are, but there's a discord for sharing those, i'm just using my own but i do stupid stuff sometimes lol

[signal idol]

https://discord.com/invite/thesanctummarket

didn't hear anyone talking bad about it so i'd guess it's at least not horrible lol

[azure harness]

also runes of creations are a dime a dozen, i have a CoF 10 character that can farm about 100k favor per hr, with 100k favor i can get around 20-30 mirrors depending on luck. i have used rune of creations even on random 1 mil exalts that i buy and i use to slam because imo they re worth less than that 1 mil

with prophecies that is

[signal idol]

oh yeah then just spam them for sure

i'm purely MG so i just get enough to use for myself when i buy big ticket items

[azure harness]

yeah there are some pretty neat perks of having them both at rank 10

[signal idol]

i'm gathering gear for a possible CoF char, but i'll prolly never make it lol

like, i got the gear just not the will to make a char

[azure harness]

i was forced to reroll after they killed my warlock and i thought i d switch it up and not play cof again