💰┃merchants-guild

[slate canyon]

The best gear in PoE is also outside of the casuals hands tho. Based on what I just sent you know how hard its going to be to grind 150 mil-200 mil gold for most players? CoF is better for majority of people

[tiny spire]

I think the idea of being forced to choose seems like the wrong approach entirely

[tropic patio]

CoF is indeed the ez mode for casuals. Especially when the average player won't even bother to mess with the market aside from buying random crap

[glad tinsel]

Think that number also depends on build. Off meta builds are vastly cheaper to gear out then the most played meta ones.

[minor crescent]

Hard disagree the game would be too easy if you could choose both

[round mortar]

I do get your point, i'm just saying the "reward" for reaching rank 9 and 10 is so low that it doesn't actually matter if casual players reach those ranks or not. Ultimately you can achieve the same result through buying the exalt and unique and slamming yourself and the price for buying the legendary version of the item that someone has made themselves would probably be higher than the act of making your own due to lower drop rates as MG it's going to be cheaper to buy the two components seperately.

[slate canyon]

Okay but if you gotta buy 3-4 smoke weavers with like lp 2 before you get the slam you want. Its like 150mil-200mil easily. Thats out of reach for most people. You can find lp2 smoke weaver easier in CoF + a bunch of other gear to possibly do more with. You see?

[tired slate]

Im for less restrictions. The economy balances itself , no need for these kind of restrictions . Ill be curious how MG will change next seasons

[minor crescent]

Are most players really grinding that hard for 2lp uniques anyway if we are talking casuals they are not reaching that anyway untill very late into a cycle

[tropic patio]

i think that the rank rewards are backwards

Currently you can list anything at any time, regardless of rank. But you can only buy gear if you have the required rank. So, what ends up happening?

First, you have a massive flood of 0 gold gear being listed cause people get annoyed that no one buys them. They keep dropping GG items with no buyers, lower prices, the items never go away so the market is saturated already for the good items. Not good.

Now if it was the opposite, we'd have less things being listed but lower rank ones would have more value (cause there wouldn't be a flood of LP2 gear right away since people need to grind favour first) and everyone can buy it right away, as long as they have the gold for it.

[cerulean fulcrum]

What is "Weavers Will" ?

[worldly schooner]

Ported to different locations, i did a few monolith runs too. i just restarted the game But still can't interact any of the npc merchant in the bazaar.
I only can speak with Nama and see the gamble store. But with Kubra the open my stall option doesnt work. Nothing happen but he speak his monolog. the rest of the npc are not interactable. they just speak when i click on them, but nothing happen.

[slate canyon]

But if CoF can drop you that item faster than having to spend 150-200 mil. + you get a bunch of other gear with CoF if you ever wanted to try another build or class

[mortal ibex]

bazaar is really usefull to buy exalted items that you are able to craft on later on, you nneed a lot of those and it is faster than CoF iI would say

[whole granite]

what's the best way to level up merchant's guild to get to level 7+?

[round mortar]

Im confused by the entire argument tbh I thought you were complaining that casual players are never going to reach rank 9 and 10 and Im just saying that doesnt matter because they wont be able to afford the items anyway. The cost of a legendary smoke weaver with T7 Crit Multi and T5 Added Phys is going to be 200m+ anyway due to the fact you need to find both parts yourself and the added value of convenience?

[slate canyon]

Not necessarily because its very hard to find t7 exalts if you go MG?

[mortal ibex]

I think it depends, you can buy t6 which are cheaper but still good to be decently geared, however you can find t7 ones too

[minor crescent]

im like 150 corruption on my current timeline dropping at least 1 T7 every 2 maps

[glad tinsel]

Is it really going for 200m? or did someone just chuck that up there to show off. Cause unless people are buying it, its not 200m.

[slate canyon]

Right, so im saying most people should just go CoF. They still have the chance to get smoke weaver and they have a higher drop rate of t7 exalts. All while getting more gear if they ever wanted to do other stuff you know.

[tired slate]

Can confirm

[round mortar]

Honestly starting to think item rarity is nonsense im not noticing any difference in drops between 100 corruption and 550 corruption, it was the same in early access but they said they changed how LP is calculated with item rarity and im not seeing it yet.

[mortal ibex]

Also MG is really good to find affixes you need, buy those items and extract them since they are pretty cheap usually

[faint sierra]

Anyone reccomend which monolith is good to push corruption? Just unlocked all Blessings

[minor crescent]

The first monoliths have the lowest requirment for bossing so you can push gazes faster

[faint sierra]

Alright so its better to push those then? ANy in particular have good rewards that could sell?

[minor crescent]

dont remember item lists you could check Lastepochtools they have a list of items and boss drops on there

[karmic steeple]

How much are smite idols going for? Trying to decide if I should start MG or CoF to farm them myself

[delicate elbow]

What is the quickest way to check prices?

[humble dove]

going to the bazar ;D

[tough hound]

Yeah, if theres no changes in the time investment next cycle and I can expect to be about 91+ before I start buying exalted gear then I will probably just go CoF next cycle and treat this game like OSRS ironman mode

[pallid ruin]

does it take favor to trade vs using bazaar?

[slate canyon]

Honestly I would like them to make it so you cant trade Boss uniques. Being able to buy them means you dont have to interact with a big chunk of the endgame content. seems kinda lame. U should be able to trade everything but Boss uniques imo.

[split wave]

Bazaar is trade, and p2p trade has the same restrictions and costs. Gifting is unrelated and just follows gifting rules

[past onyx]

cycles are 3 month... if i have to farm/keeping gold for over 2 moth in order to buy a single item and then use it for only a week i probably wont buy that item... market prices are ask vs offer... that's what i think when i see 200m as price... my opinion of course...

[fresh hamlet]

You can drop something thats worth that much, sell it, then buy whatever you need

[past onyx]

that doesn't change the problem... only moves it couse somebody must have that amount of gold

[floral mica]

I mean but that is the point of a market system, you can use it to generate gold

[fresh hamlet]

You can do small sales, 1-2m each, to collect gold from each player before buying that one big thing. It doesn't have to be in 1 trade

[dusty marlin]

Can anyone check price for Logi's Hunger?

[fresh hamlet]

What I'm waiting for, is an app like awakened poe, so I can price check stuff without going to the bazaar, that's kinda dogshit

[finite latch]

Can we please get a way to check our stall from anywhere? maybe not list items since that would make the bazaar zone useless

[past onyx]

of course... those are reachable prices... but do you think you'll do 1-2m trade every day? And even your answer is yes which i think isn't so easy... that's means you need 100 days to buy that 200m item. Now, everything is possible but... dunno kind weird system it wouuld be...

[quartz valve]

is there a way to farm rep quicker? like fk im lvl 86 and still rank 5 on MG

[fresh hamlet]

Spend favor, you get 2x the amount of favor spent as rep

[floral mica]

But like when we talk about 200m items, i havent explored the market that much but are these items "needed* oor are they chase. Because i think its fine for games ot have items that are meant to seem insermountable but when you get it it feels really good - something akin to stuff like "Mageblood" in poe or legendaries in WOW

[sacred marten]

I see a lot of names here who have been extremely negative and rude in the general chat the past few days. Why are you still playing if you sling such vitriol towards the devs

[quartz valve]

i see, i was 34k away so need like 20k ish favor? fk lmaooo, dev need to fix rep scaling in MG

its so absurd, im almost maxxed my character and i barely even reach 60% journey on MG, while my character almost reach 90%

[fresh hamlet]

Keep that shit in general, no one cares

[sacred marten]

You have a pepe as your profile picture, none of your options matter

[pallid ruin]

Bro...you're behaving EXACTLY like the people you're complaining about...talk about irony.

[quartz valve]

so what, everyone entitled to be mad if the game is 5 day of being " unplayable " every streamer has the same opinion as well, sure the game is great, also sure, the server is shit, can't accept critics? im not a fan boy,

[timid warren]

lol

[past onyx]

It's a good and interesting point, really, but an item unreachable is useless... just my opinion of course.

[stuck raptor]

The problem is the vile nonsense spewed on this discord is not critisism.

[hexed quiver]

been playing offline until servers get resolved. no issues in offline mode so far

[sacred marten]

I'm not talking about complaining about the servers I'm talking about personally insulting the devs and their families, some of you guys are really truly hateful

[pallid ruin]

MB and HH in PoE are the top items, not everyone has them and i think that's fine, gives you something to chase, otherwise if you can get everything you want easily, you'd get bored quickly, just my opinion.

[fresh hamlet]

Adding on this. If 200m is really unreachable, the seller will decrease the price, no point on sitting on an item for weeks

[lapis vessel]

idk why it's being discussed here, go to #💬┃general if you're not going to speak about MG pls

[quartz valve]

i mean lets just keep this chat about MG guys, let the troll trolls,

also yea 200m is absurd, we need a tool to determine floor price of each item

i aint going back to bazar everytime i got something " interesting "

and i barely picked drops coz of it,

they need to make " ALT " or some button that show price floor for each stat and their tier affixes

[gloomy kraken]

there was no trading in beta/early access right? So this is the first last epoch economy?

[hexed quiver]

No, this got added 1.0

[fresh hamlet]

That's right, only gifting existed before

[past onyx]

exactly what i was saying... i totally agree

[gloomy kraken]

wait what is gifting? I noticed there was a gifting button somewhere

[quartz valve]

ye

also we have trade now, that mean we can do OTC trade or smthn? that mean it can bypass the trade limitation implemented by MG faction?

[fresh hamlet]

In case you party with someone a lot, you can gift them items before they unlock trade

[hexed quiver]

If you get something in the group can gift it. It was next to the sort button in inventory

[true surge]

Is there a way to filter stat rolls on idols? I know there is for item due to tiers but doesnt seem to work for idols

[tropic patio]

trying to find a list of valuable unique drops is hard >:/

Should have started playing earlier

[cobalt bison]

Might be a stupid question, but if you bought an item from the market, you cannot gift it to a friend, correct? Or only if they also have the corresponding rank in MG?

[brittle aurora]

can someone point me to specific uniques that provide tons of movement speed (beyond just implicit and prefix 18-30MS?

[barren gust]

Lol why is the game so easy just buying everything from auction house

[round mortar]

Anyone had any luck selling scepters? I have no idea what builds use them or what stats im looking for on them, think i sold one ice scepter with T6 cold damage and thats about it

[visual comet]

5 days of unplayable your pc and internet is garbage bro get out of the third world country 😂😂😂

[tough hound]

You're acting just as shitty as those who attacked the devs. Not a good look.

[barren gust]

looool auction house for the win. Why farm loot when you can just buy exactly what you need for some favor and a sprinkle of gold

[fluid siren]

cuz u cant buy it

[brazen pebble]

Biggest problem of Bazaar is the fact that you need to visit individual merchants. Idk why or how is it helpful vs being able to open it from anywhere and do your stuff

[tough hound]

You can, just gotta do hours of rep grind first lol

And get there before the rest of the market gets to that rank and the demand/price increases.

[brazen pebble]

Selling expensive items helps. I sold roughly 10m of stuff yesterday and already almost lvl 8 from 0

[wispy forge]

Any good solutions to price check for examlle uniques ?

[tough hound]

The gold value of the item does not change the amount of rep received from listing it.

You just spent a lot of rep listing items.

[brazen pebble]

Only a few uniques really cost something

[wispy forge]

Do you think i can find somewhere list ? Or just need to remeber after pc?

[tough hound]

Go to last epoch tools, show all uniques, sort by rarity. The most rare will be the most expensive.

All the rest will vary based on LP and build usage.

[barren gust]

yeah you 100% just buy your way through everything lmao

[wispy forge]

Thank you

[brazen pebble]

Aaron’s Will
Ravenous Void
Ocearon
That amulet that converts all void to fire
Lagon’s relic (1lp+)
New uniques (1lp+), like wraith helmet or warlock stuff
Aberrant Call 2lp+
All the low-life uniques 2lp+

[barren gust]

can you just buy expensive stuff for favor too?

[wispy forge]

Thank you !

[compact patio]

Don’t try to reason, if you can’t but top items 2 day game bad

[tough hound]

All items cost both favor and gold. Favor is a set cost based on type and rarity, gold is set by players.

[brazen pebble]

Nah, nobody sells good items cheap. I have ~10 items listed between 5-10milion each

[barren gust]

nahh I got a lot of gold. 200m. Does buying more expensive items yield more favor?

[tough hound]

Favor is only earned by killing monsters and completing quests

[brazen pebble]

Idk, I have just seen it move when expensive stuff was getting sold. But idk if it even was that or me just farming 750@corruption

[barren gust]

*reps

[round mortar]

T4 Julra garaunteed Glyph of Despair today boys and girls worth farming a few since we don't get help from prophecies, you will thank yourself later.

[halcyon nimbus]

why in the name of god does my general chat have a 30 min timer between times im able to type. what kinda of chat timer is 30 min ?

[tough hound]

The gold value does not change the rep gain. The only way to earn rep is by earning or spending favor. That's it.

How much did 200 mil gold set you back.

[tropic patio]

the type you get when half of your 200k players are unable to login reliably and go complain in discord

Not saying whether this is right or wrong, but thats the reason

[halcyon nimbus]

god its wild. Lol i think ive typed 3 things in that chat 30 min is insane

[barren gust]

damn gotta just merchants guild my ass through corruption lmaooo

[tropic patio]

the questions chat is also hilarious
50 questions and one answer every minute 💀

[crimson coral]

wtb t6-t7 exalted glove with "chance to shred armour on hit", the devs forgot to add the mod to the ah so its impossible to get from the bazzar, will pay good for it ty

[halcyon nimbus]

even 1 min is a bit long honestly but 30 is just another level ive never seen that

[round mortar]

what base? ill keep an eye out for them

[crimson coral]

any base it just has to be a glove

its probably in the ah but i would have to go through 1000 item to find it

[barren gust]

bruh I used merchants guild at like level 66 to buy apathys maw and just like everything bis I can for my level and holy shittt. I be finishin them echoes in like 30 seconds lmaooo. Best mechanic in the game

[compact patio]

Trade bad , you can’t have fun with trade

[barren gust]

holy shit. Can't wait to just merchants guild my ass through top level corruption and everything LMAO

[compact patio]

I was able to push higher level corruption and leveling than during my 100 hours on single player. I got everything for my build , before empowered monos lol

[barren gust]

damn dude I'm gonna smash that record. Holy shit. I just cleared the 2nd set of echoes in like 5 minutes lmao.Just darkstride apathys maw siphon of anguish just bis'ing everything rofl

[compact patio]

Can’t wait to get to sweet level 8 and buy 6-7 LP3 uniques so I can get best possible rolls I can. Trade bad

[vocal pewter]

its any way to pricecheck items online?

[summer smelt]

I cannot find "Chance to shred" on amulet, it is normal?

[compact patio]

No and yes

[barren gust]

damn dude. 100 hours. Gonna be 25 hours at this rate

[tough hound]

how much did that 200 mil set you back?

[compact patio]

Imagine gearing up second character lol

[tough hound]

pretty sure its his first lol

[barren gust]

sry was finishing another echo chapter. What was that?

[tough hound]

lmao, how much did that 200 mil set you back?

[barren gust]

I think some people think that if they hate it makes them less of a bot, but tbh youre the same bot

[tough hound]

Lmao, not hate, just curious.

[barren gust]

yeah but questions that dont make you better pal. you dont gotta think too deep

[granite sandal]

I WISH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN LAST EPOCH, I AM ALL ALONE I SEE PEOPLE IN CHAT TALKING AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND BECAUSE EVRYTHING I SAY IS BLOCKED BY CODE OF CONDUCT APPARENTLY EVEN WHEN I JUST SAY HI TO MY FRIEND WHY IS THIS? I WANT TO SPEAK TOO I WANT TO TALK TO OTHER PLAYERS BUT I CANNOT SINCE 1.0 LAUNCH

[gloomy kraken]

are you trying to speak in all caps? that would be against any code of conduct I made

[toxic elk]

Probably asked before but.. if I go merchants on an alt character can I trade those bought items to my CoF character?

[lime cipher]

No item would be tagged

[gloomy kraken]

they could pick them up but not equip them?

[tough hound]

It's okay if you don't want to say, I was just curious. You were making it pretty obvious so I just thought you didn't care, but clearly you do. My bad XD

[toxic elk]

@lime cipherGotcha. So it gets tagged to character? Not account? Makes sense. rip that idea lol

[round mortar]

screenshot of your 200m plz lets see it

[barren gust]

naw bruh. the point is that you can just buy your way to everything merchants guild. It's not even that expensive. Most these things are just favor. The question was just very irrelevant to the point

[lime cipher]

It's be like choosing CoF getting insane drops and then trading them on the market. Same concept but reversed.

[cyan widget]

ye I love trading but I'm in COF just bcs how easy is to buy everything you need

[tough hound]

Oh, but you were flexing the 200 mil at level 66, so I was just curious how much it set you back.

[hoary roost]

is there any site or place that shows what items are selling at high values?

[gloomy kraken]

(am i the only one who thinks cloak of flames whenever someone says cof?)

[barren gust]

yasss. Lmao its such a simple point yet these sweats are just so asshurt about pointing it out

[toxic elk]

@lime cipherThank you.

[cyan widget]

the point is they should fix the system cause trading like that is pointless, why I should even grind for items if i can get them for almost free?

[barren gust]

lol "set me back"? If that were the case, only person itd be a setback for is you my guy.

[round mortar]

Screenshot or it didnt happen

[tough hound]

At a glance I went and looked at how much 200mil would cost. 0 chance he has 200 mil in his 60s

[barren gust]

lol I think its hella fun just blazing through content and breaking things. But I'm glad at least we got the main point aligned. It's just we feel differently towards seeing the same thing. Some of these idiots literally tryna say the sky is red

[round mortar]

He's ignoring me, there's a chance this guy doesn't actually have 200m

[tough hound]

Dude said yesterday in sentinel chat he was level 60. Even if he actually had 200m it'd be because he bought it lmao

[barren gust]

lol ok dude. Who are you anyways? just keep tailing onto me like a fly

[gloomy kraken]

you could just verify it on his 'armory' profile thing? (by the gear), I don't even know how you get that much gold unless at level 100 you get way way more than you do at 85

[round mortar]

He's sweating boys we got him red handed

[tough hound]

It takes 5 seconds to do a from:"user" search lmao

[humble kelp]

Is there a way to search up specific idol types?

[barren gust]

it doesnt matter. If you're bad you're bad. Like you keep trying to tail onto me, but that doesn't make you less shit so why dont you drop it

[pulsar sedge]

Is this channel for trading?

[tough hound]

lmao, this is gold

[lime cipher]

Little over 300$/20M if you're looking for a educated answer. Do the math from there.

[nocturne ridge]

Anyone have a nice filter for the merchant guild<?

[barren gust]

yeah it is gold. Ironic cause its probably something you probably lack hence why you're projecting your insecurity to me so much

[tribal dust]

🤓

[tough hound]

LMAO

[barren gust]

like jesus christ go grind the game and whatever the hell little you have to do lol. Like why are you bothering me

[wheat thorn]

200m gj big man we all are shit at the game unlike you

[tough hound]

Yes, this is the channel for discussions about the trade faction. Currently its just being hijacked by a troll.

[barren gust]

bruh he kept trying to instigate me when I literally tried not talking to him. Like I didnt want to talk to him. Why the hell are there people like that on discord that like latch onto you like some leech

[round mortar]

Please flop down the screenshot shut us all up for good big man

[lime cipher]

Specific idols do sell for some insane prices, lets give him the benefit of the doubt, surely he can provide us with proof.

[barren gust]

Exactly. Like its not my obligation to provide him with an explanation and I dont get why I have to be interrogated

[granite sandal]

you've latched onto the merchant guild discord thread like a leech, you literally decribed yourself.

[lime cipher]

He has 200M, we can all move on

[rough kayak]

anyone wanna hook me up with a few mil gold? ign is GamblinGoober i need one more item for my build and it costs 2m

[tough hound]

I'm good with moving on to tbh, it was some good laughs but its time to move on.

[rough moth]

what is the price on a exalted crystal sword with melle lightning dmg roll on it? im playing cof and curious

[rough kayak]

i currently have 10k thanks to lightless arbor

[lime cipher]

Just one specific stats with nothing else mattering, probably as cheap as 4k. Unless you're looking for an exalted lightning roll?

[round mortar]

i got 200m https://imgur.com/a/PQIFEWe

[normal roost]

ye the game is not really playable when we play for merchants guild to be honest

[wheat thorn]

shit is exalted lightning melee worth something

[lime cipher]

Swipe werebear.

[rough moth]

ya exalted melle lightning roll

[tough hound]

I've seen, I believe.

[barren gust]

lmao

[normal roost]

It’s literally everything free until the really BiS end game gear, I think they should fix it

[rough kayak]

just "lmao" me 2mil real quick rich man haha

[lime cipher]

Market is out of control until people learn what is good and isnt, it will take a lot of time. It's actually insane the stuff you can snipe right now for absloutley nothing

[barren gust]

naw dude. PLS nooo. The best thing about runescape was the economy. How you gonna hate on merchants guild in the merchants guild channel lol

[wheat thorn]

what did you expect lol unless you're playing a top 5 meta build there's far more supply than demand unless your items are shared with the top 5

[normal roost]

It’s not about hating, I love trading, it makes no sense to me that I can buy a Reign of Winter bow for 0 gold

[barren gust]

its been such a while since we had a non "trade bound" WOW game holy shit. I miss it so much. Those old school games like Runescape where you can just buy everything to win YES

[lime cipher]

Make a trade filter, go look at builds and popular gear add it all to the filters especially specific idols and profit

[normal roost]

Even then, why you need money if everything is that cheap?

[slim summit]

I'm digging the market. If you need LP reigns of winter you can run soul fire bastion on repeat, or whatever legendaries at non-max LP

[barren gust]

thats true. I ask that myself. I dont know why I have so much when everyone just listing everything for free lol

[lime cipher]

We have 3-4 months for prices to correct, the very endgame loot is still worht millions on millions

[normal roost]

In your opinion that’s why it is so cheap?

[lime cipher]

My idols I need are 3.5M right now and I need 3 :(, not even max rolls on them on the market

[patent pagoda]

MG is pure trash and needs complete rebalans compared to CoF, CoF is just great, i played with MG until today and in this 6 hours i played on CoF i find it amazing

[normal roost]

Why?

[barren gust]

yesssirrrr

[gaunt atlas]

soulfire drop boss drops?

[tough hound]

I just think MG needs some QoL features and some rank adjustments and MG will be in a good spot as long as market participation remains high in future cycles. MG isn't bad at all.

[barren gust]

lol with merchants guild its like level 60-100 speed run in 4 hours lmao

[lime cipher]

MG is a little too powerful right now, but if you want to have all your gear to be able to do corruption 200-300 without spending anything all the power to you

[patent pagoda]

I just didn't find MG fun, engaging, profitable or anything compared to CoF, also rep for ranks are insanely high compared to CoF, and item rank requirements are unnecesary high as well, i mean exalted items require MG 7-10, give me a break...

[tropic patio]

i just think that the level gating behind buying gear is absurd rn

The pace of which you may want that gear vs the time it takes to grind its correspondent rank is way off

[round mortar]

has that screenshot finished uploading yet?

[empty hedge]

hey, what is the point of selling items to market at 0 gold ? you gain reputation or something like that ?

[normal roost]

They could literally script something like FC24 where you can’t list your item below a certain price

[lime cipher]

Rep yes, people maxing rep out as fast as possible.

[barren gust]

drop it my guy. Stop being a nuisance

[patent pagoda]

Exactly, there's literally no logic behind that we can post ANY item at rank 1 but we can't buy most of them until we are rank 8 (and that's HELLA LOT), there's no point into picking MG lol

Also we should get rep at least FOUR TIMES more from rares/bosses/quests, it's completely unbalanced at this point

[polar forum]

Sounds like someone who hasn't really played MG 🤣

[tropic patio]

• its an incentive to do these dumb thinks like posting gear for 0.

And its very funny how you may drop a lp4 GG item and not have potential buyers cause there isn't enough people at that rank yet 💀

[tough hound]

People are selling things at 0 gold becacuse they have a fundamental misunderstanding on how gaining rep works. They think the item has to sell for them to gain rep, that is not true

You earn 1 rep per 1 favor earned by killing mobs and completing quests

You earn 2 rep per 1 favor spent at. You can spend favor by: listing an item for sale, Buying an item off the Baazar, gambling at the MG vendor.

[outer snow]

has anyone made a LOOT FILTER for "Valuable Items" to be sold in the Merchant Guild?

[patent pagoda]

IF you read my previous sentences you could read that I played MG from the beginning and just switched to CoF today and i progressed more in 8 hours than i did for MG in 4 days lol

[gloomy kraken]

wait, what is this gambling at the MG vendor, or is that just the regular gambling guy like in diablo?

[empty hedge]

thanks for clarification

[rough kayak]

whats the best way to get gold? i feel like nothing in my stall sells and i only get like 50k/h running monos

[tropic patio]

pretty much? as soon as you tp to bazaar theres an npc right beside it

[patent pagoda]

Also prophecy mechanics from CoF is just WAY TOO GREAT FEATURE that needs to be in the core game not limited by choosing CoF

[polar forum]

Rank 1 purchases are still important even this far in.
Rank 2-3 purchases basically setup the core of the build without you having to farm for it and it does it easily.
Rank 4 completes MONTHS worth of idol progress in mere MINUTES
Just rank 1-4 alone likely crushes anything in CoF. It's kinda absurd and feels like cheating.

[gloomy kraken]

do the mechanics differ from the other gambling vendor?

[tropic patio]

don't think so

[normal roost]

Nothing you can do, you are in the merchant guild because you have to trade in order to generate money, if everything you drop is shit you are not generating money!

[polar forum]

Rank 5-8 just makes endgame farming completely free and essentially allows you to just complete the game. It's absurd 😂
Farming stuff as MG is merely gold farming for targeted items.

[lime cipher]

Loot filter class specific idols, sell the most popular build idols 2/2 affixes wanted

[normal roost]

It shouldnt be that good, it feels good now just because how cheap everything is on the market

[tropic patio]

the easiest dummy way of making the bare minimun is to pick up resist / life idols and posting them for 50k

double life ones are worth way more

[forest belfry]

But the price tags on those premium items... sheeeeeeeeeeesh

[rough kayak]

i plan on switching to CoF as soon as i purchase the last item i need for this build which is gonna cost me like 2m, cause idk where said item comes from

[spice jungle]

Sheesh indeed

[polar forum]

It's pretty plentiful, that stuff drops so freely I have to unload it or leave it on the ground. That's part of why trading in a game like this is insane.

[forest belfry]

As soon as an Item rocks 2LP+ the price skyrockets and rightfully so

[tropic patio]

pretty sure that the things you buy cannot be used in cof
or maybe its just the opposite

[stark glacier]

I'm curious, how's Arbor running to sell loot with MG? And how do you think it'll be when more people get higher ranks and can buy the loots?

[round mortar]

you know you cant use anything you bought off market after switching to CoF right?

[barren gust]

lol MG lets me do level 75 echoes at level 65 and just still 1 shot everything lmao

[lime cipher]

Have seen many items with 2LP @ 0g

[tough hound]

You cannot use purchased MG items if you leave the MG

[tired slate]

Thats not because of MG , every meta build can do this without MG and COF

[tribal dust]

everyone can do that actually

[polar forum]

God forbid there's an incentive to farm. Heck, gold farming these items takes a FRACTION of the time it takes to actually farm it for real pre 1.0 or in post 1.0 CoF. Seriously. I think people are just completely forgetting that just the idol progression alone is months of progress in minutes.

[forest belfry]

I did. I want to buy 2LP+ Hollow Finger for my Army Necro Build and it starts with 300k and the item itself doesnt need to be well rolled at all

[normal roost]

ye but as i said it doesn’t make any sense to me to have a market like that where everyone is basically buying things from a store without paying a dime

[rough kayak]

yeah, im aware, everything ive got so far for my build has been dropped and i need the last item to push monos to get the last piece as a drop then i plan on switching

[wheat thorn]

lol dude you're selling yourself on the 200m area level means nothing outside of item drops most meta builds at lvl60 can do lv100 monolith easily

[polar forum]

People are trading items that aren't valuable to THEM for exp progress. EXP progress is valuable. Be lucky they are using the stalls and selling their items rather than just burning it instantly on the vendor.

[lime cipher]

MG allows you to egt into 200-300 corruption mono's for basically nothing, from then there on you will be paying a premium on gear

[outer snow]

anoyne have a LOOT FILTER of valuable uniques that blocks crappy uniques that arent even worth picking up?

[normal roost]

It’s okay if they are not good for them, I just hate buying my end game build for 0 gold

[polar forum]

You vastly underestimate how many items drop for each player and how common it is for people to get drops that work for a build that isn't the one they are playing.

[lime cipher]

It'd be even more if people played all class loot filters and knew what very good items were and what to look at.

[wheat thorn]

non lp items are so common besides shit like red ring omnis, this was the expected outcome

[polar forum]

There are uniques that enable builds....and I've seen half a dozen of these things drop. Yeah, I'm gonna sell them for cheap and sell the ones with high rolls for a bit more. When they don't have LP, the goal is to sell them since they are available at an early rank.

[compact patio]

If someone thinks 100% to 0,0006% chance is godly all power to them. 😄 trade is godly

[lime cipher]

MG - get into mid level corruption for free > Now I want to go higher corruption > Spending insane gold on LP 2-3 core build items > spend money on 2x t6 exalted affix's to roll > fail rolls try again. 20-30M poof

[remote orbit]

Do keys drop less on MG or something? I've only gotten 3 lightless arbor keys and i'm almost 80. I haven't seen any others

[polar forum]

So many items enable my builds that are dropped while people are playing stuff that aren't good for them. I think people are just frustrated that you can't easily price check things. @lime cipher bro, you can't really farm LP 2-3 items outside of MG. If you played CoF or pre 1.0 content, the entire concept of "farming LP 2-3 items" is something that is reducing months or even years of progress into DAYS

[wheat thorn]

doubt it I have so many I don't pick em up anymore

[remote orbit]

ah okay, must just be bad rng then

[forest belfry]

EXACTLY

[normal roost]

Well if we see the problem like that it makes sense. So you are basically saying that a Reign of Winter is so cheap just because you can easily drop it without a problem?

[lime cipher]

What you sell is recycled into that process

[eager tide]

So I thought that spending favor was what gave you rep right? If that's the case why are so many people listing things for 0 gold? Do you get some sort of bonus if you complete a transaction?

[round mortar]

no people are dumb

[remote orbit]

i was wondering why so many things were listed for 0 too, i thought it was a bug or maybe just people not paying attention lol

[polar forum]

Pre 1.0 or Post 1.0 CoF -- Idols take months to optimize, build takes days or weeks to start off and then base legendaries take months or years to get.
MG - Idols takes minutes, builds takes minutes, GG legendaries take days or weeks. People complain in chat about how its bad that you spend the gold you would spend on an Arbor on 2 lp items to attempt for GG legendaries LMFAO

I think MG is first world problems. It's possible this might be the most imbalanced faction choice in the history of gaming.

[lime cipher]

Transaction counts as rep, 2:1 favor. That's why you see 0. Selling an item for 0 gold but costs 1000 favor to buy or sell means I get 2000 rep if transaction processes.

[tough hound]

Its because people think it needs to sell for them to get rep. This is false

[polar forum]

You'll be surprised how many of them drop when you aren't looking for it.

[wheat thorn]

mg will probably be revamp, as it is the only goal is rush t8 before everyone else to stock up cheap lp2 uniques and exalt bases

[slim summit]

As an example of busted MG stuff: right now you can go buy 3LP kestrels for dirt cheap, and exalted body armors on bad bases for dirt cheap. Buy a couple of each, run soul fire bastion a few times, and you have a body armor it's going to be really hard to replace for almost no effort

[rough swan]

People are frustrated by the price checking thing.. but I think it's fine. It's not a stock market. Arbitrage isn't possible in LE anyway, so you may as well charge whatever you personally feel the value is. I think it's actually better that the game isn't a stock market simulator

[tough hound]

You don't get rep from selling the item, you get rep when you spend favor to list the item. @lime cipher

[compact patio]

Trade is way overpowered and that’s why it’s restrictive. People here just don’t get it, they complain they can’t get LP items day 5 while in beta you had to work ass off to get them.

[polar forum]

yeah, rank 8 is essentially completion of the game. I think the strength of this is just more underrated than anything else.

[tough hound]

I just think I should be able to buy exalted gear before level 90+ is all lmao.

In beta I was gearing out with exalteds before 90. Now the drop rate is nerfed (deservedly)

[outer snow]

be happy you can even buy anything in the game

[polar forum]

If you were CoF, you'd have to play as a level 100 for several months before you have similar progress. Heck, even Rank 4 does this.

[tough hound]

Wtf? I am? I like the system, I just think there should be small changes lmao.

[full yew]

Is there any way to filter for specific base idols? I remember being able to but can't find it anymore

[eager sail]

are the faction ranks saved between cycles?

[wheat thorn]

they can just separate t6 and t7 exalted mg rank to sell to make it avail early

[outer snow]

i think it should be stricter to be honest, its too easy to get gear atm and it elliminates the "grind" and thus eliminiates the time needed to play to get better etc

[tough hound]

no

[polar forum]

People would still complain about R8 because people want a full set of GG items the moment they touch a monolith.

[eager tide]

Do you have evidence of this or some faction overview saying this is the case? I've been trying to track rep gains and I've only noticed increases when you spend favor, buying or selling.

[cyan widget]

That's what everyone is saying, the prices are so cheap and you can buy everything you want, it doesn't make any sense to play in MG but just because how boosted the function is.

[lime cipher]

buying or selling is the transaction

[wheat thorn]

yea idk what to say about that by lv 98 or so you get rank 8 which isn't even that long for this game for that kind of power

[tough hound]

The seller does not gain rep when the item is purchased. They already gained their rep when they listed the item.

[full yew]

The reason things are being sold for 0 gold is because 99.9% people can't even buy the items, but this will rectify itself soon. IIrc selling items for 0 gold doesn't even give any rep so will quickly go away

[lime cipher]

So I can list all my items everyone of them, and max my rep. I got like 5 tabs of legendaries

[empty bloom]

whats the best way to get reputation ? Gamble ??

[polar forum]

I feel like Merchants is the way you play the game. CoF exists as a solo self found challenge option lmao.

@wheat thorn yeah, I really think this faction choice might be a bigger difference in power than any other faction choice in history. I feel like they might nerf this into the ground....but some people who have played an absurd amount of time have already completed everything lmao

[pallid wagon]

There's a visual glitch that causes reputation gains to be delayed. That's why people think their items need to sell to gain rep.

[eager tide]

Right I get that, but you don't get any additional favor if someone actually buys your item, you get the rep for listing it.

[lofty canopy]

hey guys , from what level i can start to sell item with LP ?

[tough hound]

Yes, it costs favor to list the item. Once you have spent that favor by listing the item, you gain rep. Does not matter if it sells.

This is why when you delist an item you don't get the favor back

[wheat thorn]

no rank req to sell anything only buying

[tiny spire]

Press y, it shows unlocks

[lime cipher]

Sick I got massive favor going to flood the market to hit level 8 today then xD

[full yew]

Can confirm that you gain rep when you list the item, so listing things for 0 gold is literally useless, but is done because people don't know any better

[cyan widget]

It's not a problem. If they won't sell the item for 0 gold, they will do it for 100 - 1000, which is basically nothing compared to how much gold you can make in an hour just rushing monoliths. Reign of Winter bow, which is basically the best bow that enable one of the best build atm (blast rain) is worthless, it costs literally 1500 gold right now.

[polar forum]

yeah you could. But you could instead list things on the auction house to get some gold or contribute to the pile of items being traded.
@lime cipher No different than you burning your favor on the vendor in the middle and getting junk.

[tough hound]

Correct. THe people listing for 0 gold have a fundamental misunderstanding with how gaining rep works.

[wheat thorn]

no point in listing garbage if you want to just burn favor to get rep, buy affix bases for shattering or gamble garbage at the merchant

[empty bloom]

you dont gain any rep

[tiny spire]

Hey you're smart thanks I need to buy hybrid health xd

[polar forum]

Bro, if you really cared, you would buy up all the free bows and list yours for an entry level price. Although, you'd be a degenerate !@#%$ for that, but yeah... (And yes, you wouldn't be relisting, you would be trashing them because you hate everyone on the server)

[lofty canopy]

thanks

[tough hound]

Yes, you gain rep for listing items, not for them selling.

[empty bloom]

i just tried and no

[wheat thorn]

yea it's really good you can just filter out all shattering bases forever just buying 0 gold ones to burn favor

[full yew]

Only for bows with 0 LP which seems fine right?

[cyan widget]

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that playing MG is cheating to me. I can buy everything I want in a single week and it shouldn't be possible in a game like that, it's true or you have other thoughts? I like talking

[tough hound]

Thats a visual bug, the rep will increase when you process another market transaction or leave the area.

Devs are tracking it.

Any time you spend or earn favor you gain rep

[empty bloom]

k i see it now yu're right

[tropic patio]

my brother in christ if you nolife the game for a week it will be the same in cof 💀

[polar forum]

That's because playing MG is like cheating. If you played pre 1.0, even RANK 1 essentially saves you weeks of time. Rank 4 saves you months of time. Rank 8 saves you years of time.

@tropic patio you are comparing a pea shooter to a nuke and saying them are relatively the same strength. You are apparently not even in the same stratosphere of what's happening in the game right now LMFAO

[cyan widget]

That's what I'm saying, MG is cheating.

[full yew]

2 lp bows are 2 mil+ and most of the lower prices are because 99.9% of the playerbase can't even buy them in the first place. It's a bad argument imo

[indigo fog]

if I make a new character does my merchant rank transfer to it?

[polar forum]

MG farms differently. You do gold focus strats and it works and works well.

[wheat thorn]

years is an understatement even lol, forcing someone to farm a 2lp on some items would be no different from a life sentence

[cyan widget]

Probably that's a bug, to me it shows a completely different prices lol (?) Reign of winter bow 2lp was around 10k, nothing more

[polar forum]

Getting 2 million gold is ABSURDLY faster than farming 2 LP on the unique you wanted. Especially on most uniques. Also uniques that get 2 LP easily sell for like 100-200k right now. Mad Alchemist's Ladle is comically a steal atm

[cyan widget]

Actually which are basically the most expensive item someone can sell on the market? Like the equivalent of dropping MB/HH in this game?

[tame thistle]

Everyone just posting anything and everything right now😂

[full yew]

And my argument is still the same, 99.9% of the playerbase can't even buy these items so the demand is artificially reduced so I expect this to increase over time

[wheat thorn]

lp Omni or red ring or 3lp of any meta item would be equivalent of mb hh only in trade power and rarity, if youre talking about jist rarity theres way too much to list that's rarer than mb hh

[tiny spire]

I just sold my old gear as I upgraded my build to get gold for the good items

[tropic patio]

no you don't understand, the top 1% that plays 15 hours a day gets things easier, its the end of the world 💀

[tough hound]

Hardly anyone is rank 7+ so the demand for those items are incredibly low right now. Great for those who have the time to reach rank 8 in the first week, sucks for everyone else lol.

Prices will increase once people get there and understand the market

[tame thistle]

Just play SSF🫣

[polar forum]

Only because rank 8 is holding them back. The fact that people will basically be COMPLETING this game in its first two weeks is beyond comical. You are vastly underestimating how busted this faction is right now.

[tiny spire]

As people play more there will be more items on the market, it's just how it goes
Not being able to sell them back really sucks tho

[tame thistle]

Merchants guild is deff the fast track way of obtaining targeted items

[tough hound]

I think next cycle i'll probably go CoF and just play this like its another OSRS ironman run

[round mortar]

I dont think most new players understand how important item implicits are or something, like you dont just need to farm some boots with T7 movement speed you need to farm solarum greaves with T7 movement speed then you need to craft them into an item with the perfect stats with a sealed affix - you could spend days just getting that one pair of solarum greaves to ATTEMPT to craft on pre-1.0 and then removal off the movement speed instantly. Even if CoF was 10x drops it still wouldnt even be close to the fact that you can go to bazaar and buy 10x solarum greaves with T7 movement speed and get 10 chances to craft the god boots.

[wheat thorn]

nah you are spending weeks not days to find t7 ms solar boots lol

[tame thistle]

Been debating swapping to other faction already lol

[polar forum]

CoF - I need this specific unique....lets farm out the echoes until I can kill a boss and do it again and again and again and I got one! Okay its 0 LP like the other 4 of them....

MG - OH I completed this gold node and used a wealth shrine. I guess I'll buy 2 of these 2 LP ones in case if one bricks.

[wheat thorn]

just lock mg behind t4 julra and there it's balanced for a short time

[polar forum]

Yeah, a lot of new players not realizing it. This is what happens when months or even years of progress are being thrown into your character in just minutes, hours and days.

[round mortar]

oh ye T4 julra is glyphs of despair today boys and girls get it while its hot

[tough hound]

No one cares that trade is unrestricted in PoE leagues.

[tiny spire]

poe good

[compact patio]

That’s why they want to inspire on LE trading in POE 2 xD

[polar forum]

Trade is so ridiculously stupid that a fraction of the population goes through hoops to make it possible via external sources. If PoE 2 uses LE inspired trading, I'd actually play it lol

[lofty elbow]

is there no way to search for an item via its name?

edit: nvm found it

[tiny spire]

Did they say trading will be different in poe2? I haven't seen much about it

[polar forum]

But I feel like there has to be a serious nerf to trading itself. It is just too good. But its weird to try to think of a good way to nerf it

[tough hound]

What im saying is I don't need to worry about faction ranks for mageblood, just my currency.

And so far that seems to be the case in PoE 2, just it won't be through a third party app

[compact patio]

Developers in one interview said they are being inspired by LE system

[normal roost]

Do you have a filter for valuable items?

[wheat thorn]

yea they will make an ah that requires gold to insta trade inspired by LE

[full yew]

I'm not underestimating it's power at all, which is the entire reason I joined.

But grinders in CoF have far better gear than MG grinders do atm, and have stashes upon stashes of 1-2 LP uniques, so currently CoF remains superior to MG

[pallid wagon]

Trade is inherently broken. The only way to nerf it is with terrible QoL like splitting all the items into different vendors (like they already did).

[tiny spire]

It doesn't look inspiring to be honest xD
Might take a look at it later

[compact patio]

If POE restricts trading now crying from all trade mafias, discords, flippers and rmt guys will be glorious.

[polar forum]

Whenever I hear things about PoE 2, they keep saying its gonna be like PoE 1 and just stop it there. If they do anything with the trading, its probably just gonna be an in-house streamline of the external tools that PoE users are using.

@normal roost was talking about PoE XD

@pallid wagon Trade right now is super insanely powerful. THe only way they could have nerfed it was to DRASTICALLY nerf the drop rates...but that would kinda ruin the game for people...

[pallid wagon]

PoE2 has instant buyouts like LE.

[normal roost]

Ye ye I mean, are you using a filter on LE?

[polar forum]

A loot filter? Yes, why? I don't understand. You are replying to a statement made on PoE, not LE lmfao

[round mortar]

I don't think that's true at all tbh man, yeah they probably have some higher LP items but no chance they have perfect stat T7 exalted items with sealed T4s and right now thats pretty easy to aquire with trade

[full yew]

What auction house are you using mate? Show us your full t7 with sealed T4 equipment please

[polar forum]

You are living in a completely different reality. Casually walking into MG will yield months of progress ahead of the most ardent CoF grinders right now.

[glacial void]

I'll show the bow i paid like 4 million for once the queue is over

[full yew]

Same question goes for you, show me your insane gear and I might believe you

[tiny spire]

which region ?

[glacial void]

I'm playing ballista and got max roll T7 minion bow damage and T5 physical bow damage. I'm in US East

[polar forum]

Do you even understand how overpowered idol buying is? Just idol buying alone....if MG JUST had idol buying, it'd be better than CoF.

[nimble drift]

why are ppl saying that listing at 0 isnt worth it, it seems like a quick way to dump and gain rep at the same time, im not trying to search for items with affixes to shatter every time i want to dump favour

[glacial void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEEgc3XJy_A

[tiny spire]

@glacial void I don't think the queue is real, I just got into 8 queue, went back and logged in instantly lmao

[wheat thorn]

not home but I do have a t7 dex t5 hp res 3 lp woven t7 multi t6 cold apogy, pretty sure I would not ever come close to getting those on cof for months but who knows

[normal roost]

Ye I’m on the smartphone, I didn’t read it. Are you using a loot filter like the maxroll one or something trade oriented?

[polar forum]

I'm not saying CoF is bad. I'm just saying MG is absurdly busted and maybe the only people that understand this are the ones who played before 1.0 lmfao

@normal roost You are completely reading the statement you replied to completely wrong. That statement was made for PoE, not LE. ROFL.

[full yew]

On Idols I agree somewhat, but even then a single bis double hp idol is 2 mil.

And that is not what we were talking about, you were talking about perfect t7 exalts with sealed t4s, that were so 'easy' to get.

Untill you actually produce proof of your completely decked out character which insane bis gear, you're just full of shit

[nimble drift]

but if the items on the market are already 0 then why list it for money. Until the market corrects nobody is going to buy for money if there is 0 gold listings

[round mortar]

sry my snipping tool wasnt working https://imgur.com/a/PcuGcV2 got that for 0 gold and despaired it

[polar forum]

I was not talking about perfect T7 exalted with sealed T4. That is a hilarious thing that would take decades to get...the fact that something like this will even be in the endgame is a hilarious concept that is only possible because MG is busted.

@round mortar or you could be really lucky. 😂

[glacial void]

Why list it for 0 though? It makes literal no sense. Just list it for what you think it's worth. If you don't care whether it sells anyway, put it up for 999,999,999. You get the same amount of reputation

[wheat thorn]

the market will never correct itself if something is at 0 gold already means its too common that idiots are getting them in mass

[gloomy kraken]

it's more an issue lots of people dont have the ranks to buy things yet

[nimble drift]

that is what im saying why bother list it for $ if the market rate is 0 just sell it for 0 and move on. nobody is going to buy it for $$ if they can get it free

[polar forum]

He's saying he bought it. Because T7 stats are not worth it to the people it drops for since most people only have use for certain stats.

[fresh hamlet]

It just means that those items are not in demand, like the 1 alch uniques on poe. When a popular build will use it, it will increase in price

[polar forum]

Imagine how busted this faction would be if items didn't bind on purchase XD

Prices will continue to go up as less people list things and more people reach rank 7-8.

[nimble drift]

yeah exactly, but the trade is so cumbersome rn that if you check an item and its 0 rather than walk to the vendor and trash it just chuck it up for 0 and get the rep you want anyway

[full yew]

It's a T6, with a T5 and a sealed T4, it's decent, but hardly mindblowingly insane, or even remotely close to bis.

[fresh hamlet]

You can get the rep by gambling at the vendor, you dont have to list stuff

[tiny spire]

and you can just buy items for making shards of certain affixes

[polar forum]

If you could buy (but not use) the items listed right now, I'd buy so many rank 8 items right now.

@fresh hamlet but you would rather use the favor on buying items for yourself. Heck, you could even buy affixes to shatter over ripping your favor for useless items

[nimble drift]

but the min for gamba is 4.2k, if you go to bazaar and think u got a juicer unique, se its only 0 and you want to go back to farming and not hoard it to trash later you can just list it and get some rep

[glacial void]

That makes no sense. If you want the rep, just take the gold. If you set your price too high, you get 0 gold anyway. you're just throwing away gold. the prices on things can't stay 0 forever. the people that spend favor aren't going to have enough eventually

[brazen pebble]

Ok, t7 slammed aberrant call, 11/3 - I guess 50mil?)

[polar forum]

If you are referring to a legendary, idk if anyone can even buy those yet lmao

[full yew]

In case you are not aware, people pushing higher corr in CoF do not even bother picking up T6 exalts

[nimble drift]

none of the items over 0 will sell while there are items at 0, if there are pages of 0 always from new players then it will always be useless. things can stay 0 for as long as it takes to max a character and be done with the cycle

[brazen pebble]

I don’t pick up 6’s in merchant guild either

[round mortar]

My point was just that MG have much more chances of making those items, there's 100% people with bis items off the market for 0 gold and we are 5 days in

[polar forum]

CoF = t6 and t7 exalts can drop. They have to drop as the one you need at the tier you need them.
MG = gold go BRRRRRRRRRRR

[brazen pebble]

Legacy is more healthy right now tbh, market actually sells rare stuff and not all garbage of sorts.

[lofty elbow]

how much reputation do you gain when selling an item? How is it calculated?

[wheat thorn]

no point virtually every legendary item for sale is garbage besides leveling ones lmao, t9/10 is actually the least power gained for rank on merchant guild funny enough it requires self found lp items

[tough hound]

I wonder if being able to purchase all items from MG, just you couldn't equip them until the required MG rank would solve the price wackiness of tier 8 items.

[compact patio]

Lol I just got ring with T6 atunment and T7 health for measly few hundred k xD of course it would drop for me 100%

[glacial void]

And I'm saying things literally can't stay 0 forever because there's a favor cost to make things 0. If you don't understand what i'm saying, you haven't been in MG very long. The favor bottleneck is immediately noticible. In fact, try listing everything for 0 and you'll see what i mean

[brazen pebble]

Because that ring won’t be BiS on any build. So expected

[polar forum]

Yeah, I know. Just someone mentioned making a legendary and wanting ot sell it lmao.

@lofty elbow pretty sure the reputation is reliant on how much favor you are spending. So buying, selling or gambling will all increase reputation.

[stable dome]

is there any way to search for specific bases or am I going to be forced to look through 45 pages of stout idols to see a single huge one?

[compact patio]

Depends what you play, pretty@good for me with FG left to craft

[normal roost]

Actually what’s something you can sell for a good money?

[nimble drift]

im saying you want to spend favour to get to tier 8, once you hit that sure you can stop but until then there is hardly anything wworth buying anyway and you may as well dump all your favour to level rep. only stuff worth buying for me so far was rares for an alt

[full yew]

@round mortar @polar forum Then show me all the insane items you, or other people have bought in MG?? People in CoF are dropping 15+ uniques from a single boss with prophecies, and their main problem is that they don't have enough gold to buy stash tabs to store all their LP uniques and t7 exalts

[brazen pebble]

LP rare uniques mostly. They go for 10m +/-

[tough hound]

You gain rep any time you earn or spend favor. 1 rep per 1 favor earned, 2 rep per 1 favor spent. Favor is spent by purchasing items, gambling, or listing items for sale.

[glacial void]

But if you want to level rep, just keep the item. Don't sell it for 0. Sell it for 999 trillion. You get the same rep and keep the item

[polar forum]

And almost all the uniques are sitting on the ground cause they are useless. Meanwhile MG walks into a stall and can choose between hundreds or even thousands of uniques without needing to kill a boss or store the items in a stash.

[brazen pebble]

Yeah, sweet 0-1lp uniques

[severe burrow]

Im a lazy player, and i hate rng. So MG would be the right choice for me?

[round mortar]

Well show me someone with a bis exalted item from CoF then? They could have literally thousands of T7 exalted items in their stash and not a single one could be useful to them

[humble dove]

can you get WP to bazar before you get there though the campaign?

[normal roost]

So you are listing only these items?

[brazen pebble]

Yeah I don’t bother with anything below 1m. So lowest stuff I list is Aaron’s Will

[polar forum]

My first day playing MG I just buy 0 LP uniques with high rolls to start off and fill the rest with set items that have great base stats...this is already enough to crush empowered monoliths. Then Idol progress is practically capped in minutes....then, grind to rank 8 to GG my stuff. Even rank 6 will GG my weapon. When I get back from work, I'll be doing just that.

[normal roost]

Do you have a filter or something?

[calm prairie]

is it possible to buy items in the bazaar for alts?

[full yew]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/eoy6PrwA

[simple knoll]

Druid, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (25) / Shaman (5) / Druid (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,843, Regen: 14/s
▸ Mana: 298, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 85%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 4 Dex / 4 Int / 74 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 69% / 24% / 81% / 65% / 77% / 63%
▸ EHP: 3,467 / 5,724 / 4,018 / 6,730 / 5,516 / 6,067 / 5,417

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 1,081
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (31)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,214)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 104%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical, Lightning, Poison / Melee, DoT, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Poison / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Swarmblade Form (21)
• Tornado (21)
• Maelstrom (20)
• Serpent Strike (20)
• Gathering Storm (20)

Used unique items:

• Frostbite Shackles
• Vipertail
• Snowdrift
• Bleeding Heart
• Throne of Ambition

[brazen pebble]

There is no unique filtering in game yet 😦 I just know all@the items since I play since 0.9

[round mortar]

You link me a guy using 4 rares?

[full yew]

2 LP belt with T7 % and T5 flat hp, which is pretty close to as bis that you can get for 2 LP

[nimble drift]

i dont want the item tho

[normal roost]

So t7 exalted are worth basically nothing?

[round mortar]

Ok hold on lemme go price check 2LP viper tails - oh what a suprise it's 0 gold

[brazen pebble]

They cost 150-300k depending on mod. Maybe 10-15 mods will hit 300 though, the rest will barely sell

[wheat thorn]

that belt would literally cost less than 300k to make if you're unlucky and the cost would all be in t7 hp base if thats even worth anything

[polar forum]

What the heck is this? My character was far more powerful than this one before I even finished the campaign.

[wheat thorn]

wait hell its probably cheaper to buy a 3lp one even to save time lol

[normal roost]

So I assume T6 are worth literally 0. So what you sell other than uniques? Idols? Just trying to learn from who is good at this game…

[full yew]

Don't forget to check t7 % with t5 hp while you're at it, and then don't forget the odds of getting both of them on the LP slots.

@polar forum This is a 300+ corr build, so I would not think so. And the user says it's pretty middle of the pack for what CoF can do

[brazen pebble]

Maxed idols, LP uniques, stuff from bosses that people don’t like (like I kill Lagon under a minute, he drops unique for 1.5m). People will not go fight him cuz they die 15 times

[polar forum]

You can sell everything. I've been selling exalteds for 50-200k each. And double exalteds for like 250-700k depending on which things they are.

[normal roost]

So there are valuable things in this game…

[round mortar]

as @normal roost said you could craft that belt for under 300k and yeah a 3LP is 15k

[brazen pebble]

Lots of them really. But your chances of dropping them are low unless you farm very high corruption

[polar forum]

Its definitely nice to see solo self found challenges be functional though. It's definitely nowhere near the power of an MG character though.

[simple knoll]

Druid, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (25) / Shaman (5) / Druid (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,843, Regen: 14/s
▸ Mana: 298, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 85%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 4 Dex / 4 Int / 74 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 69% / 24% / 81% / 65% / 77% / 63%
▸ EHP: 3,467 / 5,724 / 4,018 / 6,730 / 5,516 / 6,067 / 5,417

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 1,081
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (31)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,214)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 104%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical, Lightning, Poison / Melee, DoT, Spell

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Poison / Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Swarmblade Form (21)
• Tornado (21)
• Maelstrom (20)
• Serpent Strike (20)
• Gathering Storm (20)

Used unique items:

• Frostbite Shackles
• Vipertail
• Snowdrift
• Bleeding Heart
• Throne of Ambition

[polar forum]

LP items will start selling for more once more people are capable of buying them. But it's still gonna be super op

[near bolt]

Idols-section of Bazaar is complete mess. Any idea if there is going to be improvements to Bazaar UI anytime soon?

[humble dove]

guess they are busy with stability first ;D

[brazen pebble]

My only ask is to not make me teleport there all the time. I just want to pop it from anywhere

[normal roost]

Ye I mean to me ‘valuable’ is everything above 50k, but I still don’t know how to price check items I drop

[glacial void]

Ok My MG Ballista falconer https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/5Q0pPPZQ

[simple knoll]

Falconer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (67)

General:

▸ Health: 1,607, Regen: 19/s
▸ Mana: 141, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 164%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 93 Dex / 41 Int / 5 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 40% / 137% / 54% / 72% / 71% / 61%
▸ EHP: 4,552 / 3,359 / 4,552 / 4,438 / 4,419 / 4,356 / 3,993

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 514
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (662)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,965)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 39%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 135%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee, Bow

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Falconry (20)
• Ballista (23)
• Aerial Assault (20)
• Decoy (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Woven Flesh
• Flight of the First
• Arrowguard
• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Death Rattle
• Melvern's Writ

[brazen pebble]

You just focus on volume really. Sell exalts for 50-100k and if they don’t sell, downgrade price

[spiral chasm]

omg, faction vendor is a scam, it will sell you an item just when you left click it once, can loose a lot of favor...

[normal roost]

There are T7 exalts worth a lot?

[polar forum]

that's really funny....its like

@full yew Pulls out a slingshot

@glacial void Pulls out a sub-machine gun.

Waiting for someone to pull out a nuke

[brazen pebble]

Yeah, things like flat damage, hybrid health, etc

[near bolt]

+4 skills etc

[tired horizon]

How fast can you get to lvl 8 merchants guild to buy 2+LP items? Also how often do people actually sell 2+LP items? Thinking about playing online after the servers have settled and I would like to know if merchants guild is worth it for boss uniques

[normal roost]

I wish someone could create a filter for identifying valuable items

[polar forum]

Can't wait to get to level 8....but its probably gonna take me like at least 3 more days at the levels I'm playing the game.

[brazen pebble]

Nice. I just had my third Aaron’s Will go

[normal roost]

Are you target farming it or just doing emp monos?

[compact patio]

It’s a not a race it’s a marathon. Being second for one week is nothing if you are then better for rest of cycle

[full yew]

The cheapest t7 hp% belt you can get on MG is 100k, which doesn't even have t5 flat on it, 2LP vipertails are 10k yeach. The odds of hitting 2 LP is 1/12, which means you would need atleast 600k to craft that belt. and to get lucky with forging

But as I have mentioned before, LP item demand is artificially reduced by 99.9% right now, so I do not expect that to last long.

[tired horizon]

What do you mean by "at least 3 more days at the level im palying the game"? Are you playing low level intentionally or not pushing corruption?

[round mortar]

600k wow that's crazy man that's so expensive for a bis belt no way anyone can afford -- that also no way your math is right you can chaos into flat hp easily because its high weight and how is it 1/12 to hit 2 out of 4 mods?

[full yew]

It is insanely cheap, but once people can actually buy those items, do you think they will stay this cheap?

[polar forum]

I'm currently working atm, I don't get to play the game that much each day. But I've passed the pre 1.0 character I had 120 hours on with my post 1.0 character already and that's just hilarious.

[round mortar]

just crafted this for under 1m https://imgur.com/a/yZW2w6O

[compact patio]

I am in same boat. I am much further than in beta and I play meme spec xD

[compact patio]

Meh, my friend play CoH and have 3 like these already

[full yew]

Which is already a far cry from the 300k we started with, and how many attempts did it take you?

[round mortar]

just 1 attempt and the only way it bricked is if it didnt hit the T7

[polar forum]

That's pretty sick. I forgot that 3LP is actually a thing....I really gotta hit rank 8 quickly xD

[celest mortar]

what are the endgame gold sinks in le?

[winter garden]

@celest mortar bricking 3LP items

[frail shard]

there is a dungeon you spend gold in to make the chests better but I don't think people have had millions to spend on it yet so who knows if it works

[celest mortar]

uh huh, ty

[clear cipher]

My god the Bazaar is a sad sight in HC :')

[full yew]

The odds of specifically hitting the t7 on a 3LP is ~75%, which is much more forgiving than hitting a specific t7 and t5 on a 2 LP, which is about 16.5%

[tiny spire]

Rare hc player sightings

[round mortar]

I honestly don't doubt you are right but that makes no sense to me because i'm terrible at maths, anyway lets stop the beef and agree CoF and MG are both good. In my mind CoF = more uniques with high LP and MG = better exalted items and rares or at least a much higher chance of getting the perfect exalted or rare item for your build.

[normal roost]

So actually the valuable items to list on the bazaar are T7 Exalted, Idols and Uniques 2LPs+?

[fresh hamlet]

Some uniques are expensive also while at lp0, like exsanguinate is 500k

[modern abyss]

The bazaar needs a lot of work. Why there's no option to check prices with that guy you need to talk to sell stuff? You need to check each vendor individually, huge waste of time

[normal roost]

Drops like Exsanguinate etc are obtainable just by killing the specific boss or you can also drop it randomly in monoliths?

[lofty elbow]

Is there anyway to search a specific range for affixes on uniques?

[fresh hamlet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMwRgo

[devout axle]

Maybe Im missunderstanding a mechanic, but my lower level character cant use something my higher level character purchased from the merchants guild. Is that intended?

[fresh hamlet]

Works as intended, your alt char inherits the merchant rank

[normal roost]

So you can just drop it by echo rewards?

[fresh hamlet]

Yeah, in a specific zone

Or spam rune of ascendance on body armours, got 1 in like 15 tries

[hot flicker]

question, is there a secret way to gain more rep faster? either its pretty slow or i am doing something wong

[static flame]

Yo, is there a way to search by name in the Merchant's guild window?

[polar forum]

Yes, you have to use the drop down and then the option in the lower right corner.
And if you wanna search armor/weapon with the implicits, the option in the upper right works

[normal roost]

So in your opinion there are better zones to farm valuable items or it’s better just keep going and rushing through monoliths?

[fresh hamlet]

I mean, if you want to make a lot of money fast, yeah target farm expensive shit. Otherwise just do whatever you find fun

[static flame]

TY!

[modern abyss]

you're not doing something wrong, that's another problem with the guild, it takes forever to get to higher ranks

[carmine carbon]

T6 max roll CDR Brigandine Boots with min roll t2 armor/reduced crit damage and t1 vitality worth anything? 36 forging potential

[normal roost]

Do you usually target farm or you just run monos?

[wanton bear]

Increase corruption and do experience tome monos.

[polar forum]

It's supposed to be a time gate since Rank 8 essentially completes the whole game. Essentially, the time gate is probably too easy if anything...

[fresh hamlet]

I'm doing all mono zones rn so I can get all my blessings

[hot flicker]

thanks guys, so tome farming, and maximum effort. i guess that 8 gives you like free raign atm, but i dont think that would be true if everyone could buy the exalts right? bc that would drive up prices big time

[polar forum]

Yeah I've been clearing different empowered monoliths for blessings right now...I feel like xp has been faster too....almost level 90 after like 20 hours playing.

[fresh hamlet]

Yeah, in empowered the xp goes way up. I'm at 89 myself

[polar forum]

There was one echo I did that i felt like I got 10 times the exp from...it felt super busted and I probably shoulda left the echo and went back in...

It was completely filled with the giant mobs that do that large green circle smash with the rock in front of them.

[lime cipher]

3 bars into 99, struggle bus

[unique venture]

How do you bring up merchants guild to see your rank with without going to the bazaar

[lime cipher]

Y

[old swan]

so... ppl listing most of the items for 0 gold now

[unique venture]

Thank you

[rough narwhal]

game does a terrible job at explaining that you get the same amount of favor from gambling or buying as you do selling thus peopel sell for 0 trying to grind rank 8

[pallid wagon]

There's also no reason to sell for 0 gold because you get the rep immediately upon listing.

I think the 0 gold economy is also a result of no reselling. Flippers would be buying these 0 gold listings up and driving them up to normal prices.

[fresh hamlet]

To get rep just gamble at the npc

[pallid wagon]

I know.

[carmine minnow]

good to know im 80 and im in the lvl 85 monolith and xp looks way too slower

[wintry comet]

Are you able to buy/sell arena keys?

[tiny spire]

but you also need favor to buy items so its not only a matter of gold
Can't just sit in your hideout trading all day like poe xp

[velvet hound]

do you get reputation the second you list an item, or when it actually sells?

[unkempt ermine]

which is frankly extremely restrictive and limits my ability to roleplay effectively. I want to roleplay as a little financier who has so much wealth I can pay for anyone to be killed, poe allows that

Also you get it when you list

[gaunt atlas]

you dont you get reputation when you spend favor just go to bazaar gamble* vendor and spend your favour their gambling the items

[wanton bear]

I think they should Condense all the current ranks to 6 Ranks: Buy all normal items, Buy all Sets, Buy all Uniques, Buy all Exalted, Buy all Idols, Buy all Legendary. Then make 7 to 10 ranks enable/improve new gold sinks.

[kindred osprey]

really hope they add a function to list items while not in the bazaar

[velvet hound]

gotcha thanks!

[unkempt ermine]

You absolutely get reputation by listing and interacting with bazaar parts as well though, but it's not dependent on actually completing the selling part, just listing it (e.g., spending)

[velvet hound]

thank you! 🙂
level 6 -> 7 feels extremely slow sadly

[wanton bear]

yeah, but it's easier to get reputation by simply gambling. idk why ppl bother to list for 0 gold

[gaunt atlas]

yeah lmao you literally farm more favour doing one echo than listing all that garbage for 0

[compact patio]

True lol, better than swiping trough trash

[velvet hound]

is there a way to maximise favour/reputation earning? ive been doing lv100 corruption 150+ echoes but its still pretty slow

[wispy tusk]

Wait... you GET favor for listing items?

[compact patio]

Do higher corruption, 100 is start of endgame tbh

[gaunt atlas]

i noticed high corruption mobs give more favour im sitting at 500 atm and its really noticeable x4 or x5 mroe favour gain

[wanton bear]

yeah, favour is tied to experience and higher corruption gives more experience. That is why Experience Tomes give you favour

[velvet hound]

yea still just trying to farm my empowered blessings first, thats why im only 100-200 corruption

[gaunt atlas]

that explains a lot holy

[compact patio]

Experience tomes are BIS , speed up a lot

[polar forum]

Yeah. I've been dropping many items for different prices and it doesn't matter if they sell or not. If I really wanted to burn my extra favor, I simply buy yellow items with rare affixes to shatter.

EXP and Gold nodes are great for Merchants.

[velvet hound]

interesting, what merchant rank are you atm?

[wanton bear]

10

[polar forum]

lol...how much time have you put into 1.0? I put about 20 hours into the game after 1.0 and I'm rank 6

[gaunt atlas]

i think he got gaming chair

[wanton bear]

I don't know. There is no /played lol. but 12+ hour /day min

[polar forum]

There's Steam but it does also have hte hours you played before 1.0 also.

[velvet hound]

Gotcha, guess I shall stop farming empowered blessings and focus on corruption on one domain first

[wanton bear]

I guess around 60ish hours.

[compact patio]

Have you bought some 3/4 LP and bus items already 😄 ?

[polar forum]

I still think farming empowered blessings is important...but I might focus on one domain that i need a specific blessing on first.

@wanton bear okay that makes sense. If I played for another 40 hours I'd probably be like almost rank 9 or 10...

[gaunt atlas]

im at 9.5. rank 9 to 10 is rough ngl

[polar forum]

I'm so glad rank 8 is basically the BiS mark

[compact patio]

Is rank 10 even needed ?

[brave geyser]

They gotta change the XP requirements no doubt about it...

[wanton bear]

no. only 8.

[compact patio]

Maybe shift ranks a bit but being rank 8/9 after hitting level 100 is basically okayish I think.

[polar forum]

I think its fine....maybe 30-40 hours to hit rank 8....heck my 1.0 character at rank 6 with 20 hours has already exceeded my 130 hour pre 1.0 character. It's hilarious

[gaunt atlas]

nope i dont think there is any legendary items to purchase atm and i think there never will

[coral stump]

Not sure if known, but I only started online yesterday, I spent all my acrued favour on gambling and went from rank 5 -> 6 instantly 🙂 So much level up from the gambler in the Bazaar

[compact patio]

It’s just flex, haha

[polar forum]

I'm pretty sure piecing them together and not bricking is something that people will probably want to pay for. Especially cause it would be hilarious for leveling alts. It has uses, it just won't be as much of a power spike as rank 8 is though

[wanton bear]

I think exp is fine. I just think they need to get more creative with the last 4 ranks and have fully unlocked trading at rank 6. They really forced the 10 rank thing to be even with cof with their split of weapons and armour. It makes no sense.

[coral stump]

I think you get 3x the favour towards levelnig when you gamble

[polar forum]

I also feel like each rank up needed a quest completion to unlock the next rank....but that is just one of many reworks they really needed to do to this system. It is absurdly powerful right now.

[mint crypt]

So i stuck with CoF because everyone was raving about how much stronger it seemed... but im over level 90 and literally one piece of my gear is CoF dropped and restricted. Been spamming exalted ring prophecies exclusively because I want +throwing damage -mana exalts... feels like i could have bought them long ago in MG. I wonder if i should switch.

[polar forum]

You can always swap back if its bad. You will get exalted weapons at rank 5 and exalted items at rank 7....but Idols at rank 4
Not to mention 0 LP legendaries are so op cause you get them as soon as your character basically touches monoliths.
@pallid wagon Also weavers will counts as 0 LP.

[pallid wagon]

Does Weaver's Will count as LP in the Bazaar?

[mint crypt]

Im worried that since i started with a falconer prolly one of if not the mosy popular masteries that gear I'd want will be stupidly expensive. How is the economy settling so far at this point?

[slate canyon]

man im like rank 5 and idk if I should just switch. I feel like I have no motivation to target farm to try and get better gear when in reality I need to just play a bunch for a bunch of gold and just sell shit and then just buy me gear. Anyone else feel like this?

[tropic sandal]

i just unlocked merchants guild and seen all the vendors is there not a search button to like search the name of a item?

[gaunt atlas]

you lose the level if you switch back no?

[tiny spire]

no, and after they get the mods in they become legendaries

[pallid wagon]

ty

[round mortar]

Someone suggested earlier in here that some CoF ranks should give increased forging potential on dropped items or atleast a chance to have higher forging potential I think that could be cool especially since we can't resell items and gives you the chance to chaos spam an item a bit before putting it up for trade without bricking all the FP etc

[ashen orbit]

how do i lvl up merchant? im rank 5 with 17200 favor, do i spend them on random items or gamble at merchant?

[polar forum]

IMHO don't gamble.

You can list items which will get you the exp immediately.
You can buy items which is obviously a good thing....you can even buy yellow items with rare affixes to shatter...so it doesn't matter your rank, there's always a better thing to spend the favor on.

[mint crypt]

Is anyone else kinda worried about massive inflation of prices over time? I kinda feel like there isnt enough of a gold sink in the game rn.

[polar forum]

I feel like CoF items should be unique in some way that makes them powerful in their own way. At the moment trading is just WAY better than a better drop rate/drop rules.

[round mortar]

Actually to give us something cool on the level of prophecies we could get something similar on reaching a certain rank where you specialise in an item type and then get little quest type things which reward you with increased forging potential on those items when they drop for a favor cost or something like that? adds in a bit of the extra gameplay that CoF gets

edit - i do agree trading is already much stronger than CoF but would still be cool to have some extra gameplay element to MG as long as they buff CoF to keep them as balanced as possible

[polar forum]

A massive inflation is currently needed to balance the faction honestly. But yeah the gold is just gonna keep circulating and not going down. Pretty sure merchants aren't gonna burn millions on a vault when you can just get way better by using the bazaar

[ashen orbit]

i bought some random items and gained 100 favor per items, is it the same value if i spend 4k or 100 favor on a ring for exampel?

[round mortar]

you get 2x favor spent as rep

[polar forum]

Although, I feel like CoF will be good to have possibly to farm certain items like runes or something. I am pretty sure the runes don't ruin the faction tag on the gear pieces

The idea of getting like 8 despair runes to drop at the same time is hilarious and would enable MG even more in the endgame. Then again i guess that's just me seeing the meta ahead of time

[ashen orbit]

so i have to spend 60k favor for r5 to 6? thats a real grind

[carmine carbon]

you also get rep while playing

[polar forum]

You get rep when GAINING favor and you get rep when spending it.

[ashen orbit]

thats cool i just have to monsters then and rank 10 in no time

[rapid nova]

ISO gold hardcore paying with keys got shit load or anything people need need 500 k

[slate canyon]

I'm not gunna lie I'm like rank 6 Merchants and I feel like I have no motivation to target farm anything. I'm just playing for rep and gold at this point so I can buy stuff. It doesn't have the thrill of an arpg to like oh I need to go get this piece here, oh I need to go to this boss here. No motivation like that on merchants. Pretty boring and then you gotta sit there and run around to a bunch vendors and price check and search affixes

[polar forum]

Rep and Gold IS target farming like a merchant.

[ashen orbit]

126140 before emp mono - 125 200 after full run

[ashen orbit]

id rather farm 20m gold and buy bis item forever than gambling all day by doing 500k bosses , did that in poe since 5-6 leagues ( farm div, buy op gear, farm more div , clear all uber bosses and 38/40 and end the league )

[polar forum]

Yeah I think they really nailed it with the factions for the most part....

[slate canyon]

I feel like the whole point of any mmo or arpg is to try and go get something and it finally drops. The way merchants and the rep is set up I literally don't care about anything unless it's magically got like 3-4 affixes I want I go meh and just list it. Like there almost isn't any point to look at gear. Just slam monos and make gold. And then when you have your gear then what? Idk im just thinking this is boring lol

[ashen orbit]

when you see t2/t3 LP at 1% thats a big nope , i gladly let some no job dude doing 500 bosses for me instead and give him gold

[dim cargo]

bro have you seen the price of the bis items? lol

[polar forum]

idk what you are talking about, when you play normally you are target farming gear specifically for yourself. When you play a merchant, you are not only farming gold, you are farming EVERYTHING as there are an INSANE amount of different things you can trade on the bazaar. You aren't merely farming for one build, you are farming for ALL of them.

[ashen orbit]

2 purple bis for shaman are at 2m each thats nothing if i dont have to change them until way later

[obsidian pewter]

No sane merchant is farming everything. Merchants usually specialize in certain things that they a) like and b) make them good profit without sitting on the shelf for ages.
So everyone will be target farming. Some merchants will go farm idols or jewelry, others will go farm specific LP items and whatnot.

[polar forum]

So lets say you are farming gold for trying ot get an item. WHile you are farming that gold, several different items drop which allow you to get more gold cause you sell them to other players. I feel like people don't understand how much better trade has made the game feel for me.

@obsidian pewter yeah well you can pick and choose too. The sheer freedom you have in your farm is what makes it so much more interesting imho

[graceful flame]

@slate canyon once you can easily price check items without going to the bazaar it will be much better, its hard to know what is good and bad unless you have a really good understanding of the gmae

[ashen orbit]

im curious to see how many will farm empower lagon boss for those cool legendaries :p i tried it and got nuked hard

[obsidian pewter]

Yep, but every halfway good merchant is specialized. Unfortunaly the trade here is not free, no resale and gotta farm like a maniac. Otherwise I would play trade simulator at work 😄

[polar forum]

That's good. You gotta farm. That's good. I honestly really like this system. It is really OP but if everyone (in MG) is OP then no one is OP right? XD

[violet furnace]

guys, any list what idols to look for sale?

[wanton bear]

Trade makes game feel good, but somehow they made the process of selling items more annoying that poe's trade. Though I guess poe didn't have a tradesite on launch. The UI for trade is horrendous and requires lots of qol improvements.

[obsidian pewter]

Health + healing effectiveness. Flat health, % health. Those are pretty much your go-to, both generic and class

[regal ivy]

just got my first million, I feel blessed

[rough swan]

I'm certain that the friction is by design. Like why it's hard to search various affixes and individual tiers - they don't want you to be able to easily find the perfect item

[polar forum]

Yeah. The UI is good enough to be serviceable but they need to fix it in some ways too...its very complicated to search, price check and some affixes don't show up.

[spare blaze]

Just got to level 8 in the merchants guild I think it’s an absolute joke the grind to be able to obtain exalted gear at 6/7 I was level 95 by this stage and was so bored of just mono running for rep

[rough swan]

there's no need to price check, sell things for values you feel they're worth - it's not a stock market like POE

[wanton bear]

That makes 0 sense. They already make you pay favour. There is no reason for there to be any other friction. I don't think it's by design. Also, they are making it a huge disparity with CoF. CoF = more fun with higher ranks. MG = more annoying.

[obsidian pewter]

MG is more effective and reliable income that you can calculate, instead of full RNG good luck out there with your rewards 😄

[tight nimbus]

Then why not go CoF? Wouldn't that literally be what you want

[fringe summit]

can you switch factions immediately after choosing one, or is there any waiting time etc.?

[violet furnace]

ty

[spare blaze]

Probably has gear purchased from MG that you can’t equip if you switch factions which is another crazy idea

[split wave]

You can swap any time if you decide you don't enjoy your current one

[covert burrow]

i swapped from CoF when i hit rank 10, and im gonna say this:
CoF is a HUGEEEEEEEEE pain in the ass to farm because i drop like 3244231432234342423 exalted items every 10 secodns and like 30 uniques from 1 mob, and dude its absolutely hellpain to look at loot during runs

[fringe summit]

thanks. i'll go with CoF most likely, i wanted to see the auction house first though

[wanton bear]

CoF definitely has better exalts. MG is only reliable LP items. Which you can't take advantage of until rank 8. Though CoF is the same requiring rank 8 for giga exalts. But the difference is that progression of CoF is fun. MG is just nothing good until Rank 7/8

[slate canyon]

have a better loot filter

[unborn haven]

So both factions have a farming grind..?(gold or items) but merchants you can guarantee you get your bis at the end of the grind.. cof you can’t guarantee but there’s the dopamine thrill of “who knows what I’ll get this time”?

[obsidian pewter]

Rank 7 is easy to get. And you get all the basic non-LP uniques early and idols very early.

[wanton bear]

What point are you making? because you haven't said anything that goes against my point of ranking MG not being fun.

[slate canyon]

technically speaking, you can’t really guarantee because let’s say you buy a unique in and exalt to slam and then it goes wrong then you gotta re-grind all that gold again

[cyan widget]

I was wrong, there are a lot of items, especially the good one that still costs a lot, so merchant guild is still fun without being really too easy and boring.

[fringe summit]

welp, I forgot that I'm playing SSF XD i can't even "view" the bazaar tho, anyways, back to CoF I go^^

[slate canyon]

Okay but non LP are way more expensive so you are actually going to probably get better gear, faster in circle of fortune

[remote comet]

Easy? Been farming it for 3 days .. ..

[glacial void]

I'd also say a lot of the fun in merchant guild is dropping things that aren't in your class that costs millions of gold. It's not just "oh what a cool item. Maybe i'll make a build with it before the cycle is over" and then never do it

[cyan widget]

Yes I got baited by a lot of bows, but they were 1LP, so it's basically a shit item. If you see good bows with 2LP they are expensive, so it makes sense.

[covert burrow]

i have a very good endgame CoF filter, and you have no idea what it feels like a rank 10. Also the maps with the falling damage are very annoying to play in high corruption
Another big issue is also not being able to set special map icons for anything that i want, like we have for unique/set/keys

[safe storm]

i'm new to the merchant guild. level 1 and i can't list an item because i don't have enough favor. How am i suppose to begin ranking up?

[wanton bear]

yes. Dropping a Red Ring of Altarria was really nice. MG is fun, but the ranking process is bad compared to CoF

[polar forum]

Any exp gained gives favor. Completing monoliths counts as completing quests, which also gives favor
Spending favor in any way (buying, selling, gambling) will increase exp. Gaining favor in any way will also give you reputation too.

[tropic sandal]

just doing quests and killing mobs will give you favor

[safe storm]

ok. so just playing the game? I appreciate it!

[wanton bear]

well increase corruption and do experience tome echoes to get more for your time.

[polar forum]

One of the underrated things about MG is that things can drop that aren't good for your character, but are good for other people and other builds thus is a good drop that can benefit you.

[wanton bear]

That's also the downside. There is real fomo since this isn't poe where you can get a nice public filter that will tell you all the valuable items. Maybe there will be something like that for LE in the future, but right now, people struggle with knowing what is worth selling. and they dont' support price checking well.

[lost pawn]

since the last update i can not see my character in game anymore

[cyan widget]

Exalted T6 are worthless?

[wanton bear]

Not all. But generally yes.

[polar forum]

At the same time, I don't have to appraise all of my items and can do a rough pass over it between runs. In no galaxy is PoE a better example of trade. Even this busted up system is still much better than going through the hoops to make the game playable there.

[cyan widget]

Health per kill?

[grand socket]

Can someone price check a shadow idol with physical pen with shadow daggers AND elemental resistances

[glacial void]

no joke. id probably try to sell that for 1,000,000 if they aren't low rolls

[grand socket]

I'm personally on CoF but I've dropped 26 idols with phys pen, but 0 with ele and phys pen. Just curious what the price was.

[sturdy elbow]

I swear all the items listed at 0 gold in the Guild are kinda cringe, its pretty exploitable to just dump stuff in at 0 to get reputation.

[lapis vessel]

Elemental + hp are going for 2+ mil. Might be 1+ mil for sure

[polar forum]

Depends on the affix. Health per kill is kinda awful. But so many exalted affixes drop, even as MG, you just move to the next xD

@sturdy elbow That's not exploit. You could just as easily get reputation with buying yellow items for rare affixes to shatter. People are just donating stuff 😉

[wanton bear]

how is that an exploit? it's literally the worse way to get reputation. You can just spend your favour at the gambler and convert all favour to reputation.

[polar forum]

and gambling is also terrible XD

[sturdy elbow]

I didnt call it an "exploit" just "exploitable" makes people actually wanting to sell some of the items be forced to "Give them away" also lol

[inner edge]

They should give each item a set minimum price to fix this. Then affixes/suffixes can add value to the minimum

[wanton bear]

Those items aren't worth anything. If they were, they would be scooped up.

[glacial void]

Not an exploit. You gain the reputation from listing an item. Those folks are just losing favor for no reason

[polar forum]

The favor required to purchase or sell the items ARE the minimum price. Favor is quite literally a time investment in the game in order to participate. If they do any balances, "gold fixing" is definitely not one of the ones needed lmao

[sturdy elbow]

see #💰┃merchants-guild message

[inner edge]

I havent even made it that far ngl was js

[wanton bear]

They should remove the favor cost of listing. Then no one will do it lol

[polar forum]

IMHO a balance that would make the merchants guild more interesting would be adding "Contracts" or "Ledgers" that would function similar to prophecies. The rewards would be things like +favor or spending favor to gain gold.

[sturdy elbow]

still have a favor cost, but perhaps link merchant guild rep to MAKING GOLD

and use favor for gambling / some caravan / other merchanty minigame which also gives rep, but less than actually, being a merchant.

[boreal mango]

the way it is now is fine. seller wins, buyer wins

[sturdy elbow]

Im not a merchant im a mob grinder 9000 that gives away loot. XD

[glad tinsel]

The favor cost is there to stop you from unlisting and relisting things a lot. So it kind of soft locks you in to a price. Though people wanting rep have better ways to spend favor then listing items.

[polar forum]

The favor cost is really required for trading...it puts a time investment requirement on interfacing with the system. having your farm focus on Gold and a diverse spectrum of different item drops is quite definitely playing like a merchant.

@glad tinsel Relisting is not a thing.

[grand socket]

Is there any penalty to swapping factions?

[glacial void]

People are going to stop listing things for 0 once they realize favor is a major bottleneck.

[flint prairie]

Gold is also a time investment. There's no difference.

[gilded sentinel]

Is there a loot filter that focuses on MG and items of value?

[sturdy elbow]

we have gambling and listing items what else do we have? curious. My main was COF . and my merchants just rank 4 atm

[glad tinsel]

reselling is not a thing, taking down your own item, changing price and relisting is.

[wanton bear]

Yes. I think they the need to redesign the ranks. don't split up exalts/uniques/legendaries into weapons/armor for different ranks. Fully unlock trade by rank 6 and then enable interesting things like this for rank 7-10.

Tho the reason they probably won't do something like that is that gold is transferable between factions. If you can get more gold in MG, you can swap to CoF to run lightless arbor for better drops with all that gold

[polar forum]

That's not relisting, that's throwing away your favor with zero benefit lmfao

[brazen pebble]

Just doing very high corruption monos

[dim cargo]

isn't this item (Exsanguinous) extra rare? why is it sold for dirt cheap in the merchant guild lol (sorry misclick not a reply)

[frail shard]

We rich like that

[wanton bear]

It's only really required for buying. I don't see why it would be required for listing.
@dim cargo Exsang is not rare

[glad tinsel]

It is the only way to change the price on your items. So, its got to be done, which is why i called it a soft lock on the price you put it up for.

[polar forum]

I'm gonna be real here....rank 7 and 8 kinda complete the game. If anything, the requirements to purchase these items or obtain these ranks also have to be changed.

@glad tinsel There's literally zero benefit for you changing your price unless you messed up lmao.

[south cave]

Can't wait to be 8 x)

[flint prairie]

This trade system was designed by people who hate the idea of having a trade system.

[sturdy elbow]

I can get t7 crit avoidance gloves with 43 forge potential for 0 gold lol. thats just funny

[rough kayak]

all i need for my build is ravenous void gloves any help on how to get them? i can buy from bazaar but im lacking the gold (2M cheapest)

[polar forum]

Sounds like something that someone who hasn't experienced the trade system would say.

@sturdy elbow Yeah...I think the fact that so many items drop kinda make the trading pool super OP, where if trade weren't available, you'd need a lot more than that to drop just to serve as reasonable progression

[ivory hare]

is there going to be more filters added to the bazaar because finding specific items is borderline impossible

[sturdy elbow]

On another note, It'd be nice if vendor sell prices were a tiny bit higher though just saying. hahaha

[cyan widget]

ye MG is sometimes like playing the game in easy mode

[sturdy elbow]

I think you should be able to filter to an item you have in your intentory / stash, to find similar items. Like you chuck the item in the search filter and itll find items that match closely or exactly

[polar forum]

The filters are there, they are just complicated to use and need some extra polish

For example...it would be nice to specify specific ranges for each affix and specify tiers not for all but for each affix

[last zealot]

I usually just sell good rare items at giveaway prices like 20k-50k and rarely ever go to 100k+. I want to share stuff with others but I'm not insane enough to not at least profit a bit.

[flint prairie]

I've definitely experienced the trade system. Why am I allowed to buy a 4LP endgame unique bow 20+ hours of grinding before I can buy a 1LP Relic?

[ashen rapids]

Anyone have advice on how to learn to price items? In PoE I'd just check the name if it was unique, and high tier rolls otherwise, and chuck it in a 1-chaos bin if I couldn't figure it out and see if I got spammed. Here, price checking an item in-game takes a good minute or two afaict.

[ivory hare]

i mean you can only filter 1 tier for the affixes so if u try to find an exalted item with 2 different affixes where 1 is the exalted affiix and the other is normal - yeah ur edit is my problem LMAO

[last zealot]

because for some reason the devs care less about Unique weapons than unique everything else.

[glad tinsel]

no real good way, just time and knowledge of what meta builds use.

[polar forum]

First, you got extremely lucky if you got 4lp bow. Second, they separated items and weapons...I'm surprised they didn't do it in reverse, where weapons were the higher rank required.

[sturdy elbow]

I meant NPC vendors, but yeah.

[barren gust]

Sort of true. I think if you know what you looking for, for normal items, it’s pretty reasonable. Only idols are a little hard

[ivory hare]

yeah we just need a little bit more complexity in the filtering

[polar forum]

Yeah slowmode is silly.

@barren gust Idol progression has been wild. The idea of getting a full set of idols that have 2 ideal affixes in just one day is hilarious

[flint prairie]

I'm aware, it was 400k day 2 or 3 which was nice. Also yes, weapons should be higher, it makes no sense to have them at lower tiers. There is also no distinction made between "forged" and "unforged" exalted items, which means I can buy finished fully crafted items at the same time as I can buy bases to try and fix. Both of these are massive oversights imo. Completely bricks the progression of the game.

[rugged crest]

negative iq take ty for sharing it

[flint prairie]

negative iq response thanks for sharing

[last zealot]

to be fair they could've just gone the whole "All Unique without LP" on one level and then "All unique with LP" on the higher level.

[polar forum]

Trade in-general kinda un-bricks the progression of the game. Although all this acceleration kinda just moves the goalposts really fast.

I feel like the meta in the future is gonna be some insane situation where you farm Despair runes on CoF then swap to your MG character so you can attempt T3 or T4 affix reserve on powerful T7 exalted items

Also lp3 and lp4 items are gonna get sniped way more as time passes. Whoever gets these items early on are gonna be lucky for a long long time.

[flint prairie]

Seems to me like they wanted people to choose one or the other, but going MG early is literally griefing yourself, and then once MG is at higher tiers its just incredibly overpowered. Kinda misses on both ends imo.

[tranquil lagoon]

I think MG at higher teir is op just bc suply is low

[polar forum]

What are you talking about? Going MG early quite literally allowed me to surpass my 130+ hour pre 1.0 character in a matter of HOURS. LMAO. Just rank 1-4 was enough to do this. GG

@tranquil lagoon I thought this would be a thing before the game came out. HOOBOY did I not know how flooded with stuff the bazaar was gonna be on day 1-2

[limpid notch]

I just think Merchants Guild is more fun to use for me than CoF cos making a good sale out of a random drop feels nicer than manipulating random drops to get items I want.

[tranquil lagoon]

CoF is good to craft your own BiS right?

[stark glacier]

Well, being able to trade for the exact item you want will always be insanely powerful, and Mike acknowledges that too that's not just my take

I wonder though, going CoF for despairs and such into MG works against sniping high rank items early, wonder how that'll play out

[last zealot]

yeah, I just put up lots of +1 skill rares at 20-100k depending on what other affixes it has.

I'd probably still enjoy CoF but the little happiness I get on a sale no matter how small is never gonna lose to whatever lootsplosion CoF gives me.

[cyan widget]

On the pre 1.0 character you didn't have the Cof though, no?

[tranquil lagoon]

do you get more gold in higher Monos?

[slate canyon]

Merchants will be better for BiS but once the market fixes itself that gear will be insanely expensive. And if you don't want to buy legendaries yourself you still take the ring risk cuz now you buy exalts and uniques and you still have to slam them which is rng. You will also find better exalts with CoF as that's part of their rank rewards. It's tough choice which is better

[polar forum]

Yes. I feel like the same amount of time on a CoF character would not have exceeded my 130+ hour pre 1.0 character at all.

@slate canyon Actually Merchants quite literally get you empowered monolith ready in HOURS after you complete the campaign. To put it in perspective, you are ready to do them long before you actually unlock it.

[last zealot]

yes.

[tranquil lagoon]

And thats what makines me wonder if CoF would be better if you're running something odd like a low life minion dude

[stark glacier]

Definitely, I just hit empowereds and the difference is like multiple times more even compared to lv 90 ones

[grand socket]

Can someone check if there are any LP 3 Exsanguinous on the market? I would but I am COF.

[polar forum]

I think it would be interesting if someone just setup a price checker on a site like lastepochtools or something.

[slate canyon]

The problem is even rare wands for my build is going for like 500k gold right now not even for that good of rolls and idk why 😂 like that's kinda wild

[last zealot]

what build is it exactly?

[grand socket]

Can someone check if there are any LP 3 Exsanguinous on the market? I would but I am COF. It would be greatly appreciated, it's a unique body armor.

[polar forum]

Wait what rank are you? If you are rank 1, you only need to pick up like one affix with forging potential lmao
Prefer one affix with forging potential and 0-1 prefixes, that way you can just add the 2nd one

[teal sable]

What stats are you looking for?

[round mortar]

All these traders trying to work out what rare wands are worth 500k 😂

[slim summit]

There were when I checked a few days ago

[grand socket]

At what price? If you remember

[teal sable]

Shhht! It's helping us both I can sell it and in turn it will lower the price xD

[tranquil lagoon]

they're 13m each

[polar forum]

🤣 yeah, I just feel like its someone searching multiple affixes with natural T5 or something.

I put together some rares that could be bought at rank 1 and set them to like 200k. People just enter the trade faction and get something very useful early on XD

[slate canyon]

Bleed warlock build from maxroll

[round mortar]

@slate canyon ignore the suffixes, get 1 of the prefixes at t5 and chaos spam or try and removal to craft the other, bet you can find one with a single t5 prefix for 0 gold

edit actually bad advice since you need the bleed suffix but you get the point, dont buy a complete item maybe find t5 chance to bleed with a low tier prefix you need

[tranquil lagoon]

How hard is it to make 1m gold?

[slim summit]

Buy cheaper bases and craft on em, probably, though idk what you're looking for. Buying multiple items for cheap with FP and using some runes of removal to rng your way to the item you want is a good way to do things

[slate canyon]

Yes true but how you ever supposed to get all 3-4 affixes when they don't even show on the market and you don't get that many drops compared to CoF lol

[tranquil lagoon]

im starting to think CoF may be better for crafting specific gear until the market gets populated

[polar forum]

Crafting will make any yellow item basically free. YOu don't need 3-4 affixes, you only need 1 prefix for a wand. You can craft the other prefix.
@tranquil lagoon The market IS populated though.

[round mortar]

just keep buying bases and crafting on them you will hit it eventually, aim for 2/4 of the affixes you need and chaos/removal

[slate canyon]

I'm saying for eventual BiS gear with 5 affixes, like you can't even find a crystal wand with 3-4 affixes that you want lol

[stark glacier]

Going for BiS in this game is quite a goal for sure

[polar forum]

What? There's a major difference between "I just got started and am getting a YELLOW wand" and "Eventual BiS gear with 5 affixes".

I am startin to believe you aren't playing the game, you are just theorycrafting.

[still wren]

Nah, some affix that you can’t find on the way but in market you can find it right there and buy the cheap one use removal and you get the shard you want for crafting.

[tranquil lagoon]

Doesnt that burn FP?

[slate canyon]

No I'm just trying to figure out how you are even supposed to get it when there isn't wands even on the market with 3-4 affixes you want

[still wren]

Yea, but you need shard to craft your other piece so why u care about that cheap gear???

[polar forum]

This is last epoch. You don't look for 3-4 affixes. You look for one or two affixes and craft the rest.

[round mortar]

hes saying you can buy affix shards off market to use for crafting by shattering or removal

[tranquil lagoon]

oh

[last zealot]

you WANT to burn FP for Reputation anyways so it's win win.

[polar forum]

Its a much better idea to use your favor for shards or buying or selling things for gold than listing for 0 gold or gambling.

[tranquil lagoon]

I meant forge potential. Thought the guy was talking about using rune of removal to make a BIS item

[still wren]

Market it very flexible, you can do a lot thing in it. Only thing bad is the rank itself

[stark glacier]

I just don't think this is a good lens to look at items through in this game
Better items will roll into the market over time, just be prepared to be the one to buy them as they do

[polar forum]

He isn't even thinking about crafting, hes literally looking for 3-4 affixes on an item. Which is not how Last Epoch works. XD

[grand socket]

how much gold is everyone at?

[tranquil lagoon]

Yeah i guess that getting a 3 LP unique would be easier via market

[slate canyon]

If you think you can go from 2 affixes to 5 BiS without running out of forging potential your insane

[round mortar]

@slate canyon seriously don't worry about trying to get 4 of the perfect affixes you need for your build on a rare wand you dont need it and will be looking for a replacement with an exalted version within literal hours

[still wren]

He need a lot of fp to do that like 40+ below that no way he gonna make t20+ gear

[polar forum]

You aren't trading, you aren't playing, you are chatting. You can't tell me that you are searching for 3-4 affix yellow wands while simultaneously telling me that you are trying to craft a 5 affix BiS item at the same time. Those two realities do not co-exist.

When getting yellow wands early on in MG, you simply get 1-2 affixes. Craft the rest. That is more than enough to last you until you get an exalted item upgrade.
You don't have to worry about 5 affix BiS items until you are in the ultra endgame....which has nothing to do with looking up 3-4 affixes on yellow items ROFL

[rugged gust]

aight chill my merchants, chill my Gs

[grand socket]

How much money is everyone at in MG, curious to know.

[round mortar]

I've just spent 2 hours buying praetorian belts with t6 CDR to try and craft a belt with phys damage / throwing damage / cdr / physical resistance and sealed mana regen it's almost impossible to hit but the item i need literally doesnt exist so i need to create it. That's pretty much the endgame loop of last epoch just trying and failing to create giga items.

[still wren]

I think we need a crafting channel, isn’t we supposed to discuss MG in here?

[tranquil lagoon]

Does that feel good using MG tho?. How much did it cost?

[autumn nova]

Omnis is only 600k that feels cheap af

[plush urchin]

whats the bigger dopamine hit - selling/getting an item you can craft with or having it drop via prophecies and cof

[polar forum]

I think its split down the middle, which is why the factions exist. Right now it feels way easy in MG right now due to the sheer amount of supply.

[unkempt ermine]

I feel like I get better dopamine hits from MG so

[round mortar]

ofc it's insanely good, I do one monolith rotation and come out with around 16k favor and can buy like 5 belts to try craft on. No chance CoF are getting five of the bases they need in 30 mins.

[still wren]

I feel you cause I found a perfect item and the guys list ruined it, I’m so mad men

[slate canyon]

Okay but here is the thing. If you gotta buy this 2-3 affix exalts and then use glyphs and removal in order to get BiS and your hoping for rng crafting to go through. Wouldn't you want to be in CoF which has better exalts drops? The drops in market aren't that good and the ones that are okay at best have like no forging potential lol

[unkempt ermine]

No, because you don't pick the affixes. The drops in market are completely fine and very good, saying that seems like you don't know

[plush urchin]

yeah im running MG on my thorn totem shaman - and its dope seeing a drop that I can use to list on MG.

With CoF - the drops benefit all the toons in my account, but if it benefits none of them, I don't have the option to list it on MG, but use it on an alt (or create another alt to use it)

[polar forum]

You gotta play the game man. Then you would understand things such as "CoF drops are independent of MG and you can't really crossover much until much later"

@plush urchin yeah I love how MG allows you to get items from any build where I feel in CoF a lot of junk drops cause it has to be ONLY good for your build(s)

[round mortar]

That's your call but i'd rather know that after X amount of time i can get garaunteed attempts at a craft rather than hoping your specific base type drops with the exact exalted affix you need.

[unkempt ermine]

Better yet, even if you don't plan on multi classing you get a good benefit from solid rolls for other classes as well since you can y'know... Sell them

[ashen scarab]

CoF feels rewarding because you’re getting things you want for just playing the game. It also doesn’t take up nearly as much time. Pick your prophecies and go play.

[last zealot]

there's pros and cons to both CoF and MG.

MG allows you to "window shop" for specific affix you actually want.

CoF DOES make exalted affixes more common but that's still pretty random affix and the chance to get that specific combination of affix you want might take longer than just buying it on MG... of course that still depends on your luck, you could get it immediately.

[polar forum]

I'm target farming in MG by farming gold and exp.
You target farm by using prophecies and praying to the stars 🤣

[ashen scarab]

Gold is kinda useless beyond a certain point imo

[rough kayak]

can anyone invest 1.8m into me i swear ill make it worth while

[still wren]

Stash tab and the dungeon, those cost a lot of gold

[slate canyon]

I know drops are independent wut lol. You missed the point I was saying if you gotta craft on Exalts anyways mg does not have good exalts compared to CoF so just think crafting BiS exalts is going to be better/easier on MG. But the price of uniques and slamming is cheap and good on MG for sure.

[ashen scarab]

If you need gold for stash tabs, you’re doing something wrong. The dungeon requiring gold is really the only thing you need it for and that dungeons is dog water tbh.

[last zealot]

totally agree that gold is kinda useless after a certain point but MG helps in mitigating this since now you can minmax your build by buying shit from other people.

[polar forum]

Having access to 500% more exalted items and twice as many T7 affixes for CoF is nothing compared to having access to 100000000% more exalted items and T7 affixes in MG (because the bazaar has them all). Instead of looking on the floor and deciding, you are looking on the auction house and deciding what to pick up.

[rough kayak]

i need gold to buy the last piece for my set to be complete its gonna cost me 1.8m lmao

[round mortar]

I've not played CoF yet so i'm not speaking from experience but i played a ton of early access and from what i've seen CoF just lets you target farm item types rather than specific bases so yeah you are increasing your chances of getting the base you need but it's still going to be crazy low chance of getting the exact base type with the exact exalted affix you want compared to being able to predicably buy them.

[last zealot]

CoF is pretty much a more targeted Magicfind if you think about it.

[woven steppe]

can i buy an unique item in MG for leveling an alt?

[polar forum]

Um sir....MG is pretty much a more targeted Magic Find lmfao.

CoF prays to the stars as loot rains down.
MG quite literally picks the item and buys it.

[ashen scarab]

If I wanted to dig through thousands of pieces of gear for ones that work for me, I’d just go play PoE. You’re probably spending more time searching and crafting than playing the game.

[spare blaze]

Anyone seen the grind from level 9-10 in MG haha lol what were the devs thinking that’s at least 30 hours of playtime alone for 9-10

[rare isle]

always losing connection when i'm trying to kill dungeon bosses....

[slate canyon]

That's fair but to have eventually BiS gear you need to be able to buy an exalt with at least 3 affixes on it that you want with good rolls and forging potential left. That shit is like not a thing on the market lol

[polar forum]

Sounds like someone who hasn't played to be honest. You can search it down in seconds to minutes.

@spare blaze Good thing level 8 gets you everything you need. Meanwhile CoF actually NEEDS rank 10 to double their loot.

[last zealot]

but that's literally what MF is. Prays to whatever god as loot rain down..

MG is just an honest trade between two honest merchants.

[round mortar]

9/10 is pointless anyway nobody is selling legendary items because if either the unique or the exalted is trade tagged then the legendary becomes trade tagged making it non-tradable so dont worry about ranks 9 and 10 pretend they dont exist - go make your own legendary items by buying the unique and exalted seperately

[polar forum]

You said "targeted magic find"....nothing is more "targeted magic find" than just buying it. XD

@slate canyon yeah well you can still buy 1-2 affix gear and RNG craft it too...that progression speed is so fast being able to do that.
ALSO if you are trying to make BiS gear, 500k for potential items is a steal.

[last zealot]

only reason why people would sell legendary is because it's a failed product... and at that point why would anyone wanna buy a failed product. the last 2 ranks in MG is literally whatever.

@polar forum at that point it's no longer magic find, just... "Find" ROFL. Which I honestly prefer mind you... at least it makes gold more useful instead of being hoarded like a dragon's treasury.

[slate canyon]

You aren't going to be able to buy a 1-2 affix exalt and craft all the way to all 5 you want without running out of forging potential wut lol

[round mortar]

to be fair they probably are a thing just rare and probably getting insta-sold considering you are playing a maxroll build the items will be in high demand

[spare blaze]

I get you bro but there’s no way in hell I’m gonna find a LP2 or 3

[polar forum]

That's what makes targeted finding of magical items so....magical XD

@slate canyon I'm pretty sure J4M has done it a few times. Especially if he buys like a dozen of one piece.

[round mortar]

it does happen man you just gotta get lucky, every so often you get a couple of glyph of hope procs and a crit or two and bam items done

[last zealot]

still much better than PoE crafting...

[polar forum]

I will definitely have to figure out rune farming for CoF...if there's any decent carryover to get the benefits of both factions, I think it would be farming the runes there and then playing MG for everything else.

[last zealot]

hmmm that's a good point. CoF for runefarming... I might go CoF on my 2nd character for runes.

[slate canyon]

Yeah possibly but do you really want to just farm gold without much else or target farm and get the drop you want and still rng craft if you gotta do it anyways on each faction.

[slate canyon]

Yeah thats a really good point. Glyphs and runes kinda suck to get in bulk if you are mg. CoF definitely does that part better

[polar forum]

That was my plan. Since I'm working, I don't get a lot of time to play but I get time to chat and think

Also runes and glyphs are not subject to faction carryover rules.

[split wave]

If you play as MG, you'll probably get plenty of runes for the stuff you need anyway

[polar forum]

Eventually when you start crafting things, you tend to be very low on runes (and glyphs)

[rich saddle]

Is there anywhere here I can post for help with a price check

[acoustic phoenix]

any good loof filter ou there for MG?

[round mortar]

you can still target farm as MG though it's not like you don't get drops, i've dropped plenty of good exalts and two wings of argentus with LP. Obviously CoF gets more loot but it's not like you suddenly get none for going MG.

[split wave]

How much stuff are you crafting? That seems extreme. Like ascendance/creation/despair sure, but all the other stuff should be way more than you could ever feasibly use up

[last zealot]

plenty of shards since you can buy stuff for it. Plenty of Shattering since those are being sold at 6-8 from the npc now but the rest probably not. the CoF's "35% chance of dropping twice as many items" will be useful for rune farming.

I personally use up my removal quite often since I keep trying to remove bad affixes from potentially good items.

[polar forum]

Yes. The runes which have the legendary animation on their drop for sure.

@round mortar I think I can play a 2nd character in that other faction without needing to swap, so it won't even need to be too complicated....will have to play it by ear

[round mortar]

Swapping between the two doesn't actually seem too bad once you got the reputation up since you can just spend favor before swapping but I don't know what happens to all your listed items

[last zealot]

bad thing about this if you're using a COF/MG marked item you're kinda screwed a bit if you switch no?

@topaz heath Echoes for mob killing, Buying stuff, Selling stuff, Gambling from Bazaar NPC.

[topaz heath]

What’s the fastest way to get MG levels

[fierce merlin]

you cannot equip items you got from the faction until you are of the same faction

[round mortar]

Yeah ofc you would want a character for each

[split wave]

Are you sure that even applies to crafting materials? I'm under the assumption that it doesn't, but I've only been playing MG

[polar forum]

Clear empowered monoliths and level up. Then you can spend your favor in any way.....buying and listing items are the best ways. If you really want to get rid of favor quick, you can buy yellow items with important affixes to shatter.

An interesting thing is I can see a CoF character maybe making an MG alt to just buy up rank 1 yellow items to blow up for affix shards, which would also carry over to their CoF character. Some affixes can be pretty rare.

[last zealot]

haven't really made my 2nd character so I honestly don't know if it applies for crafting materials but it just says "enemies have 35% chance of dropping twice as many items" so I assume it does.

[round mortar]

wait is faction not account wide? I swear i read that somewhere but maybe im wrong ive not actually tested it yet

[surreal harbor]

Whats LP?

[past onyx]

char bind

[split wave]

Yeah, well stash wide. I'm just assuming they plan on trying the other faction on their second character just to try the new faction. I'll likely do the same lol

[polar forum]

Legendary Potential - It's the amount of random affixes a unique item can obtain when combined with a 4 base affix Purple item in the time shifting dungeon

"Max LP" is just choosing how many affixes you want the item to potentially have.

[past onyx]

[but if i've got it well chars with same guild share rank....] sry i did remember that when you create an alt you have to select the guild but you can only choose the one you picked with the first choice

[surreal harbor]

Thanks and whats the max LP?

[river night]

im ngl i feel like merchants was a trap and crafting ur own stuff in cof is easier

[polar forum]

Merchants pretty dang OP. But maybe crafting is easier. I just feel like materials are more plentiful in CoF but bases and vessels and core items are easy in MG

[last zealot]

factions are account wide, like the ranks. Characters can choose which factions to join though. if you're asking the Faction passives... I'm pretty sure that only works if you're in that faction.

[acoustic phoenix]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/3VBM4nQ7 does this one seem good for MG?

[river night]

yeah i was gonna make a VK later tonight luckily u can choose faction at level 1 on alts

[last zealot]

I'm thinking the same. I kinda want to make a VK but my first character in this cycle is a paladin so I'm kinda torn if I want to make another sentinel character.

only thing I've bought is Code of the erased sentinel, I'm trying to get +1 of the 5 skills I'm using lmao.

[river night]

ive bought a few decent items but honestly ive mostly made my own the only thing ive really bought that was like ''good'' was just a peak of the mountain and some idols

locking being able to buy stuff is kind of weird tho like to get items wth LP on them u gotta be max rank that compared to target farming in CoF i feel like its not very good

[vapid storm]

Are uniques with conditional drops, like Anchor of Oblivion and Apathy's Maw, sellable on bazaar? I am running with CoF but wonder if I should've gone with traiding if those items are buyable.

[cinder wadi]

Anyone figure out a good way to get faster xp towards the guild? The way it is right now is a slog.

[old dome]

All uniques are purchaseable

[last zealot]

I'm on the same train regarding this... hoping for a little tweak for MG in the future.

@cinder wadi nope. It's still Echoes. Buy and sell.

[glad tinsel]

push higher corruption. Cause you get rep from gaining/spending favor, and you get favor from getting XP.

[rough narwhal]

Note that some items always drop with LP on them like end game boss drops. So you can’t but then until rank 8 MG which is like 75-100hrs of play for a normal casual player

[river night]

yeah like just let us buy n sell stuff dont limit it i feel it we could rework it a little

[past onyx]

just checked to be sure... i was right... with an alt in the first town there are two guys from both guilds and you can choose both so i'd say that it's char bind with shared rank. Anyway for what happen when you switch i'm not sure

[polar forum]

idk Rank 1-4 gets you to a power level that crushes empowered monoliths nearly instantly.

Rank 8 essentially allows you to complete the game 😂

[fleet canopy]

What is the quickest way to earn reputation with the Merchants Guild?

[river night]

sell stuff n grind id assume buying contributes as well but idk about that 1

[polar forum]

Clear monoliths and the quests linked to monoliths and bosses. Then spend your favor by listing or buying items.

@last zealot I'm rank 6 and I'm gonna head home and get my GG weapon XD. Time to head off now 😉

[last zealot]

yeah, Rank 6 as well.. just slogging to get to the next rank and the rank after that... I don't care about ranks 9 and 10..

[dusty talon]

Gambling at the vendor also gives rep

[idle swallow]

Are monoliths a good source of purple items

[acoustic phoenix]

guys for how much are rares with t5 affixes going?

[river night]

yeah im swapping to CoF later but u cant use any gear u bought so im just making new stuff then ima swap they need to rework this a bit you grind an INSANE amount just to have the function of buying an item i love playing the market and having an economy but i feel like this is not uhh good in its current iteration

[last zealot]

what affix are you looking for?

[rough narwhal]

Why is vendor gambling so expensive…

[barren gust]

if you craft a low level unique into a legendary, say like a level 7, does it retain the level 7 requirement, or does the level requirement change?

[acoustic phoenix]

i just dropped a shield with T5 152% minion increase health and T5 40% fire resistance, is this worth something?

[wanton bear]

it retains the level 7 requirement.

[cinder wadi]

Sounds pretty trash TBH.

T5 isn't worth anything unless they're very specific affixes on very specific bases. You can always go look up the exact item on the market to check though.

[barren gust]

wow a level 7 legendary. Pretty broken for alt leveling

[last zealot]

for example, set your filter to find any and all items with "+# to [Skill Name] " and sell those for some change.

or you can check online what the meta builds are and check the gear recommended and then make a filter that target those affixes on those types of weapons/equipment

[barren gust]

wait to convert uniques to legendary, it just has to fit in the same slot right? So like even if the unique is a shield and the exalted is a catalyst, that works right

[little terrace]

Lol, no

[wanton bear]

no. it has to be the same base type. but not the same sub type. Unique shield requires an exalted shield, but a unique Kite shield does not require an exalted kite shield.

[surreal harbor]

If i buy an item in MG can i gift it to my friend?

[barren gust]

ohh that makes sense

[zealous glade]

i really hope they will add pricecheck at least for uniques

[acoustic phoenix]

Thanks man, I ve sold a few of those with +skill

[scarlet skiff]

If I duplicate an traded item with the "rune of creation", can I sell the copy again or is it also blocked?

[jagged widget]

could anyone please check for me what the cost of core of the mountain is in AH? im in SSF Faction. thanks

[wanton bear]

I would assume no. Because the same tag that prevents it from trade is the same tag used to make sure you can't use it on CoF. If they let you trade it, then you could also port it to a CoF character and use it

[scarlet skiff]

ok, that seems right. ty

[pallid dome]

Lowest I see is one for 200k gold + 1500 favor

[shut dawn]

dumb question, where can i find the merchant guilds quests they want me to do for favor?

[wanton bear]

There are no quests.

[shut dawn]

Hovering over the reputation and favor tooltips says a small amount of reputation is gained while slaying enemies and completing quests

[glad tinsel]

favor is gained by getting XP.

[wanton bear]

yes. as in any campaign quest

[shut dawn]

oh that seems a bit misleading no? figured youd be done with the story by the time you join the factions. But alrighty, ill just keep killing monsters

[zealous glade]

does reputation shares between characters? will i save my 8 level on alt char?

[wanton bear]

yes

[small jay]

So... whos spent real money already on gear? Cmon... i know someone has

[past onyx]

necrotic hood here

but i think app gears are too expensive... really too expensive...

[solar prawn]

Anyone else basically cant sell shit?

[acoustic phoenix]

i put rares for 50k and they sell

[solar prawn]

ok thanks

[glacial void]

just sold T7 Phys Pen with shadow daggers for 750k. probably could have gotten more 😭

[acoustic phoenix]

T7 1104% freeze rate multiplier worth smth?

[barren gust]

how do we use merchants guild with an alt

[near bolt]

erm, sealed affixes wont show up in bazaar? Got 2LP unique and wanted the slam to succeed 100% so bought an item with only two affixes and when I checked it from my inventory it showed third affix as sealed

[zenith sierra]

can u buy lp4 with merchant guild?

[lusty sapphire]

LP needs a 4mod item anyway so wouldn’t have worked with 2

[kindred nebula]

Crap, seriously? I just prepared some nice items that only have 2 affixes in order to slam it :/

[trail goblet]

what can i farm to sell guys? what are the most valuable stuff?

[rough narwhal]

you just have to know low level gear that meta builds use. For example, Keen Idols (smite on hit) go for 100k+ everytime and way higher if well rolled. Or any item that has +2 or more to a meta skill. Stuff like that. If you are too lazy to look that up, use a loot filter from one of the content creators that labels high value idols and such

[small jay]

So add 2 more

[lofty elbow]

if I'm trading with someone and to find them, do I need to put in their account name or character name?

[magic meteor]

My top 2 sales so far have been idols. 5%/+21 life stout for 750k and a chill with necrotic/ward retention (acolyte) for 425k

[coarse sequoia]

Do items drop with a MG tag like they do a COF tag?

[remote orbit]

good idol rolls seem to sell pretty well for me too, i've sold a few

[trail goblet]

i see so idols are pretty good but what about the items itself? for example im playing acolyte and every now and then i drop +2 to skills etc but i suppose ti doesnt show + to other classes?

[modest garden]

It seems that a lot of people are also rank 6 now, all of my lp weapons I put up sold for like 3 mil combined, other than that just t7s that seem good is what I sell for like 100k-500k based purely on vibes

[trail goblet]

well i have been only doing one empowered monolith i didnt really find any unique weapon with legendary potential yet. im at 200 corruption now i think. does the sepcific monolith matter?

[remote orbit]

what do you mean? You can get +skills for other classes on items

[modest garden]

It’s not super impactful, I’ve found a bunch and I’m like around that corruption, but technically specific timelines can have extra nodes that give specific kinds of uniques

[trail goblet]

i was using a loot filter from maxroll to my build, im not sure if it shows like mage armor with + skills not really sure

[remote orbit]

oh hmm, it could be under their "for shattering" condition?

[trail goblet]

i see, thank you

[trail goblet]

i will look it up once i log in again, maybe it was hidden because i felt i was in the merchant guild for nothing xD thank you

[remote orbit]

it's possible, i'm not familiar with their loot filters. I did look at their thorn totem guide for a bit to get some ideas for my own build, and it looked like they had an option for both merchant guild and circle of fortune loot filters for that one. I wouldn't know if it includes trade filters.

I just followed ZiggyD's loot filter video, tweaked it, and made a generic highlight for high value affixes to trade eventually

[wanton bear]

wait is elemental bees per 10 seconds supposed to be a primalist only idol? It's listed under Primalist, but I have it on a mage idol

[trail goblet]

yep im just not really that knowledgable of the game so i didnt want to mess the filter, but i did choose the merchant one

[remote orbit]

i see i see, i'm not sure then. What i did was tag most of the class specific affixes, make them like tier 3 or 4 in the advanced options, and went from there. Seems to work pretty well for me so far, but i haven't sold any big ticket items yet. I haven't found any tier 7s yet either, but i'm just now at the end of normal monoliths

i also seem to sell items i haven't modified better than ones i have, unless they were old gear i was using personally. I was messing around trying to get better rolls through crafting, but this could just be in my head

[lofty elbow]

are you able to use the items that drop and not traded during merchants guild after u switch over? or is that locked as well?

[humble kelp]

Anyone notice there is a Bee Keeper belt Set item in the search?

[tranquil lagoon]

MG got really quiet

[past onyx]

buy and sell i guess

[wide olive]

go into map, hit merchant's chest, loot everything, "list" everything on market. = Win.

[past onyx]

all quests, mono and alt camp ones

[wintry comet]

I'm so annoyed at the dummies that post things for 0g lmao.

[past onyx]

i only did camp quests and i'm at ninth chapter with first alt and i'm 1.2k to r4

[magic meteor]

what's better on an amulet crit mult or penetration? amulet is the only item that you can slot in pen like that but is it better than crit mult?

[tired lotus]

I have an item, a spear, with shred armor on hit, AND exalted shred armour on hit, but the bazaar does not let you search for that on a spear. What do I do with this?

[magic meteor]

Yeah it's a bug apparently. It's a good stat but it's hard to say for sure since it isn't searchable.

That being said some of my best rare sells were a combination of crit/crit mult/armor shred.

just run mono's, apparently higher corruption gives more favor

[formal hearth]

hey how do i leave the merchants guild? the one guy labled on the map isn't giving me an option.

[tranquil lagoon]

How do you control the favor cost of an item?

is the amount of favor an item is cost determined by the system?

[past onyx]

i think so

[rapid brook]

Press Y

[true dawn]

Is there an easier way to see the value of items you currently have then rather go searching for them manually?

[rapid brook]

I mean you can go look it up in the bazaar you can make it more specific and see if there's any that are extremely similar to it. Now no brainers are stuff like legendary potential if you have 3 or 4 it's pretty good already.

[true dawn]

yeah... it sucks you can't even just type the name in

[rapid brook]

you don't need to
there's an option to pick them specifically

when you're searching just select the rarity it's easier for uniques then hit more and on the right side on the bottom of the pop up it's a search by name and you can shift through it

[ruby rune]

Hows MG going for most people? Are you able to sell items fairly fast?

[true dawn]

I figured this was the only way so far. Has there been a really solid way to gain reputation? I do see people just listing random items for free to jsut get rep but is there anyway and is that even solid? lol

[tranquil lagoon]

everything is free rn because nobody has rep

[tacit kettle]

It’s a common misconception. Listing something for 0 so people buy it doesn’t give you more rep than listing it for a price.

[rapid brook]

lol I'm not getting much sold but then again my pricing might be worse compared to others so that could be why. But if you list something for zero gold and just rep you can turn some fairly decently.

From what I know on griding rep it's more of killing things in high corrupted monos and selling/buying items in the bazaar (but I don't pay attention)

[remote orbit]

i thought you got rep just from listing, it being bought doesn't do anything?

[tranquil lagoon]

need to buy i thought

[rapid brook]

I assume you get rep when you by with favor

[tacit kettle]

You get progress just for listing. The buyer gets progress when they buy the item, not you.

[tranquil lagoon]

oh so i can just put up a bunch of stuff

[rapid brook]

ah I see

[true dawn]

So the amount listed with the gold and favor next to it

[remote orbit]

yeah i thought the seller doesn't get rep when you buy, they get it for listing

[polar dagger]

you dont get rep for listing, it costs you rep

[remote orbit]

no, it costs you favor. Reputation is different

[rapid brook]

okay then the text for it is kinda weird it says spending favor gets you rep

[tacit kettle]

The amount of gold you list the item for is just how much you expect the item to sell for. That is different from the favor cost, which is automatically determined the game when you go to list the item.

[polar dagger]

oh right i misunderstood. you dont get any rep still though.

[tacit kettle]

I like to use the terms “favor” and “progress” so there is less confusion lol

[remote orbit]

every time you personally spend Favor you get reputation was my understanding, the Seller doesn't get anything when you buy cause you're spending the favor to buy it. That was my understanding

[rapid brook]

yeah but you get rep for listing?

[true dawn]

Yeah you don't get rep for listing, I just tried right now and the reputation didn't go up. Maybe if it sells it does?

[tacit kettle]

Whenever you spend favor, you get progress (When you list and buy items for example). Whenever you earn favor, you also get progress (when you kill monsters)

[vagrant barn]

Can you have a CoF farmer guy transfer items through the stash to a Merchant guy who has the rep to sell it?

[bleak moon]

u wont get favor for listening even with normal price you only got the gold

[remote orbit]

then i have no idea how it works lol, i was told that every time you list or buy you get progress on the reputation bar. i.e., whenever you spend favor yourself

[rapid brook]

yeah it makes sense since you spend favor to list it and the text mentions spending favor gets you rep

[bleak moon]

the only things they listen with 0 zero because they want spend favor for lvl up rank>more favor=more lvl (exp for rank),but better using on gamble npc

[remote orbit]

but that's stupid, cause if you're listing it for 0 you don't get anything if it's bought i was told. So there's no point listing it for 0