ultramanyy's suggestion discussion

[indigo pagoda]

wtf does any of this mean

buildings have to be square unless they are compositions

your suggestion with throw off the whole scale

[runic void]

No need for “wtf”, and please read more carefully to make sure you understand what I mean, I have enough example in the suggestion

[indigo pagoda]

you lost me at 5:8

[runic void]

I don’t even see what is so offensive in my suggestion that need a wtf reply…

[indigo pagoda]

thats not exactly how the expression is used for

[runic void]

That means you shrink 8x8 to 5x5, it need a scaling of 5:8

[indigo pagoda]

ah

shouldnt it be 8:5

anyway

[runic void]

True, I will see if I can edit

[indigo pagoda]

plugin creators can already do this

not exactly

[leaden raft]

you mean directly scaling up/down plugin frames?

[indigo pagoda]

but they can make them pixels big or smol

[leaden raft]

jesus that's gonna look so horrid

[indigo pagoda]

yea lol

[runic void]

Yes but instead of asking them to make a 2nd plugin, better do it on my own

Since many plug-in are out of size compared to many plugin

[indigo pagoda]

just make your own plugin dude

[leaden raft]

I'm gonna be honest this is an awful suggestion and ot ain't happening

[runic void]

I’m don’t think a lots of people have that much time. My suggestion don’t ask anyone to build plugin, that’s the point so that it can help everyone

[indigo pagoda]

isnt that more work for lobby?

i thought yall wanted the transport update 😭

[runic void]

Conceptually it looks simple and clean to me for implementation, but of course the specific implement detail and methods I don’t know, and I think it’s up to discuss, so I only make suggestion here

[indigo pagoda]

not to give lobby extra tasks as a side quest

[leaden raft]

that's just wrong on so many levels and it's simply not how scaling works

[runic void]

This channel name is “suggestion”, not task/requirement/Jira

[indigo pagoda]

yes but you do understand that if it was accepted as a suggestion, thats what it would be

[indigo pagoda]

imagine 3/4 sized pixels randomly on the screen right next to them half pixel buildings and 2x pixel buildings, amazing

[runic void]

A more functional game that can benefit everyone is always better than something only benefit few, that’s why I suggest in that angle. But of course whether to implement, whether possible/good for game/good for community is up to the dev decision

[runic void]

I don’t understand this one, but above i think I make myself clear

[runic void]

Technically pixel is just a average color square, which can be apply after scaling

[indigo pagoda]

okay, yeah

[leaden raft]

yeah but this is a pixel art game, not a vector game

[indigo pagoda]

not how it works

[leaden raft]

you can't just scale everything and expect it to look good

[runic void]

For a 8x8 to shrink to 5x5 one I think it might be ok, people prob will not use it to scale a 2x2 to 1x1, but if they do it’s not this function’s problem that it looks terrible

[leaden raft]

both will look terrible lol

[runic void]

Yeah that part I don’t have experience lol, I’m only imaging

[runic void]

But anyway, I think whether take a suggestion is up to dev decision, we only illustrate points, not making decision for the dev

[pliant ingot]

Most details are of the size of a pixel, so the details will disappear if downsized.

[runic void]

Understood, I can imagine if some important detail is built using pixel, e.g. window, then down scale prob will mess it up

My original motivation is mostly from some very large plugin, like 8x8 stadium, or building too tall and use too much ground (compared to many other plugin)

So I’m not sure in those cases how it look, I think a lot of the very big plugin, not every detail is at pixel level, or cannot withstand losing a bit detail. Because after all, pixelization itself is to lose details

But of course whether it looks horrible is better known to people with more experience of scaling pixel stuff etc, or some simulation from dev side etc

[pliant ingot]

If you want to see what downsizing of small bitmaps looks just try with some program downsizing a picture (or icon) from 96x96 to 64x64 pixel. Or just try down sizing a screenshot of theotown.
Every picture consists of pixels, just where as photos have millions of pixels, pictures in theotown are a few hundred pixels, so yes they are allready optimized downsized pictures.
Downsizing pictures requires some complex calculations since for every pixel you need to calculate the "average" color of the pixel itself and surrounding pixels.
So downsizing a downsized picture will be a average of average, which mostly gives no good results.

[runic void]

I understand the concept of pixel, when I say pixel level I refer to TheoTown pixel not phone or picture pixel. Otherwise no one talk about pixel anymore these days
I downsize a picture of 2 quite big plugin 8x8 I think to 50% each side, I.e. supposedly 4x4, it looks fine to me. But I cannot upload picture here

But technically, I think 1 thing can improve in my suggestion, is that when shrink image, prob better only do 1/integer shrinking, I.e. 8x8 to 4x4 but not 5x5; or 9x9 to 3x3 but not 4x4. Because if not integer, the average color will involve partial pixel which prob is not ideal in final outcome. But shrink by 2/3/4… etc is easier, you directly combine every 2/3/4 pixel. It prob easier on the averaging of color
and also I’m hoping with limited experience, that it work on the large plugin without problem, I.e. average on an average of a very big plugin might be fine as outcome

[indigo pagoda]

if its done in game, rip your phone

thats a lot of calculations

[leaden raft]

sounds like a lot of elaboration for a bad suggestion that ain't happening

[runic void]

Those elaboration is to answer question that either don’t have solid proof in their statement, or has answer already that need someone to answer it

[runic void]

Again, whether bad is personal view, and I’m not convinced, but I didn’t say anything bad
Also, whether it’s happening or not is up to dev, I don’t know what’s the point to make those not very meaningful assertion, unless you control the dev of this game

[leaden raft]

I have my experience in the game and asset creation, I very much know what I'm talking about

[runic void]

Those all can have solution, e.g. you can have a button to create a shrunk version then you don’t need to calculate everytime you move the map

[leaden raft]

it's not even really about the processing power necessary to scale images, it's just about the fact that it's very much not worth the developers' effort

[runic void]

First, the question I answer is about processing power, isn’t it?
2nd, I have to repeat it again, whether worth devs effort is Up to Dev Decision, you think it doesn’t worth, I think it does, so what’s the point back and forth make those meaningless assertion about how other people will make what decision?

[leaden raft]

if you're going in circles I might as well follow lmao

[runic void]

Well, I never say anything that make decision for dev, but glad we make it clear

Regarding the 8x8 shrink to 4x4 whether it will ruin the plugin, I for sure appreciate your experience and value you opinion, but I dont have solid proof to see it doesn’t work yet

[leaden raft]

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