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subtle plover
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take over a team not in uefa competition, win title with them, do bad in europe the next season, yell at the board for not backing him, resign

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rinse and repeat

cold furnace
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we call him SIR

pure steppe
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I think the effects Johan Cruyff and Pep Guardiola have on football, is unmatched.

ionic sail
pure steppe
tropic flintBOT
inland plover
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Conte is nuts yep

flat moth
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Not to say cruyff was bad, he is also an All Timer coach.
But a lot of things people give credit & influence to him for were actually done by Michels yet casuals don’t know him.

formal fiber
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Conte is a beast when it comes to winning league titles

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And just as shit in europe

modern kernel
past fern
inland plover
flat moth
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Allegri is better imo
Only argument in conte’s favour is that he also achieved in the premier league

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Allegri could have been a two time treble winner if he didn’t face monstrous Barcelona & Madrid sides in the finals

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Juventus were chasing the treble in 2015 & 2017 under allegri

Unfortunately those were both very dominant seasons from two of the best sides ever

formal fiber
# inland plover who do you rate higher; Conte or Allegri?

If I am looking for short term success then Conte. Allegri if I want a decent team over a period of time. Ig Allegri is better cuz he can manage a team which is in various competitions and can handle different egos. Conte will throw a tantrum by the time he reaches his 3rd season

radiant aurora
formal fiber
radiant aurora
flat moth
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He also got grouped in 2014 🥀

inland plover
flat moth
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Timings of seasons is so important

inland plover
flat moth
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Imagine juventus peaked like they did in 2015 or 2017 in a season where the opposition wasn’t one of the best teams ever

inland plover
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It's a hard one to choose imo

flat moth
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Perception would be so different

inland plover
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they were putting out 90 plus point seasons

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but Juve happened to also do it

flat moth
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Sarri Ball Napoli

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🕊️

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2018 Napoli one of the better teams to not win a league title in modern times

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2025 Napoli bagged a title despite being a worse side than them😂

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Timing & level of competition is a very big luck factor which gets ignored often when judging teams

formal fiber
inland plover
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Interesting, you wouldnt be up for another allegri or conte juve season?

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Yeah i dont put that second stint against allegri for sure

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-10 points is difficult for any coach

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same reason why i think Xavi season in Barca should also be taken with grain of salt, given the situation at the club back then

formal fiber
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Wtf Wolves is leading

dusty totem
dusty totem
indigo knoll
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indigo knoll
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indigo knoll
dusty totem
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ok.

dusty totem
cold furnace
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i have seen enuf of allegri haramball

formal fiber
cold furnace
sterile jetty
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That Joan Garcia is going to enter top 5 keepers in the world soon, Mark this

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I was watching his game yesterday man, he's the real deal. Barca cooked with that transfer

blissful fulcrum
sterile jetty
tropic flintBOT
hybrid muralBOT
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flat moth
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The thing I like the most about Joan Garcia is how his game doesn’t have any glaring weaknesses

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Could have been a few centimetres taller perhaps, but thats out of his control either way

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& he is tall enough either way

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flat moth
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Barca really hit a jackpot with him

raven sand
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Hes arguably top 3 rn

devout spear
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One game against esp and he is getting top 3 shouts💔

sly trench
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One game?

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Hes been doing this

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Week in week out

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Fym one game

flat moth
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Of all the goalkeepers who have played in top 5 leagues so far this season he is 6th for goals prevented

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sly trench
flat moth
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While having faced the 70th most post shot xG in europe so far this season

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In La Liga he has been pretty average hence this season

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flat moth
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4th for goals prevented
& 5th for goals prevented/90

in UCL so far

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Has faced less post shot xG than most of the other keepers around him in UCL bar Raya(arsenal insane defence) so pretty efficient as well

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eager wasp
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Unai Simon, Raya and Joan

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What a lineup

flat moth
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Raya probs 2nd choice

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Garcia might get picked as a reserve

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After 2026 Garcia should be the starter probably

hexed python
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holy statistics 😭

eager wasp
flat moth
eager wasp
flat moth
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24/25
tho very different situations

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As garcia was at a relegation fighter getting a lot of shots thrown at him

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Regardless there isn’t much evidence of Raya being a better pure shotstopper

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polar timber
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barca fan?

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flat moth
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2021-22 Cancelo😿

polar timber
flat moth
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One of my favourite seasons by a fullback ever

polar timber
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hopefully coming to inter this january

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coming back*

flat moth
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He does deserve to play in Europe again

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Hopefully it materialises

polar timber
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still a great player despite going to saudi

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it's just his attitude problems that don't let him stay too long at any club

flat moth
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Yeah sadly

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He was doing amazing at city then had to beef with Pep 😞

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Just 6 months after the best season of his career also💔

hexed python
flat moth
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Bundesliga & Prem

hexed python
flat moth
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Won la liga the season before he joined
& the season after he left

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flat moth
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Absolutely elite season

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Got lots of TOTY selections thanks to it

dire stratus
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hmm yea

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got a bunch of assists too

flat moth
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Yes

primal coyote
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Sterling finish that confidently impresses me more

stark oriole
dusty totem
stark oriole
umbral scaffold
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Some they shouldn’t

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idle canyon
flat moth
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His city spell has become awfully underrated & forgotten nowadays

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2019 sterling🙏

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steady zealot
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M

lost horizon
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Prime Sterling was truly amazing

stuck gulch
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Sterling and Sane were both incredible in that Frontline with Aguero, then Sterling fell off really hard and Sane was never even close to his form after bayerns 5 year spell.

Not sure what really happened.

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I mean can't say he gad to adjust leagues, or systems. Finishing just became much worse. Maybe just lacking the proper guidance cost him.

eager wasp
tropic flintBOT
cold furnace
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I felt like they sort of did an umtiti ngl, they played thru injuries

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No confirmation or anyth, this js my guess

inland plover
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Yes, Raheem Sterling was world class for a long time

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not only in City tbh

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he was carrying mental at Liverpool too

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I forget if it was with Brendan Rodgers

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with Sturrigde and coutinho

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Suares, Sterling and Coutinho

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almost won a league

radiant aurora
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Carrying?

inland plover
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yes that Liverpool team was coutinho, sterling suares

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shit goalkeeper and regular defense

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aging gerrard

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it was all about that Rodgers attack and the trio

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add Sturridge to the pot too

stuck gulch
# cold furnace No confirmation or anyth, this js my guess

I mean maybe on one hand I can sit here and think about how with their play styles, both of them rapid etc it definitely demanded a lot on the body and they became starters super young respectively so possibly causing them to decline earlier.

But on the other hand simple things (and especially Sane I had more games watched since I am a bayern fan) like decision making and just simple finishing, so many clean chances blown. I can't figure it out fully.

cold furnace
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Think dele alli

stuck gulch
# cold furnace Another reason is less motivation to play

I guess with the constant premier leagues you could be right, and in the case of Sterling especially moving away kind of knowing you won't achieve the same success in the same league again.

Then you got Sane at bayern for many years afterwards but I would think the cl ambition would be there.

flat moth
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in his last season at City

flat moth
radiant aurora
flat moth
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Sterling started playing regularly at the age of 17 & did play regularly all the way till he was 29

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Similar case to hazard

flat moth
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Premier league that season wasn’t full of super teams

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So it was a good enough squad for that time’s standard

past fern
stiff narwhal
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Yeah Xavi needs to stay away

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This club is cancerous

radiant aurora
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This is very common in modern football. Very few are actually managers

flat moth
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Yh

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United need a good SD

inland plover
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indeed very common

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usually coaches say "i need this position" and other people find options

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u gotta be like SAF to have so much influence and power to call all the shots

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under Sevilla, Monchi decided who came

trim oasis
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That's probably right @inland plover

radiant aurora
modern kernel
lost horizon
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Said it before never realized how much Barcelona fans liked Joao Cancelo

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Like I get it mans lightning on his day

ionic sail
bitter crypt
urban remnant
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United remains a mess as always

lost horizon
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Manchester United are such a peculiar club

trim oasis
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They've been in a mess ever since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson though it's more likely these issues have been around since the Glazers bought the club in 2005.

lost horizon
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Yeah that’s what made them sell Ronaldo and invest it on paying debts

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That Fergie 2013 PL win was a thing of magic with the player quality he had minus Van Persie

inland plover
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i disagree tbh

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Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Nani, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, De Gea, Berba

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ur underrating them at this point

lost horizon
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Most of that core was mid to late 30s

inland plover
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yes, it was kind of their last glory type season

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i'll agree on that

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my bad, Vidic had already left for inter

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Jonny Evans was the most used CB besides Rio

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no, he was part of that squad

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wuf im tweaking

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nani and fletcher barely played that year though

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Berbatov didnt play once

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Im getting old

lost horizon
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Yeah truly wild

inland plover
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prolly mixing seasons together

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ur right

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they were a weak side

lost horizon
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It was pretty much miracle work

inland plover
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yep

lost horizon
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I’d still put Ranieri above it slightly but I could be convinced otherwise

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Like you had Vardy Kante Mahrez

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But you also had Drinkwater

inland plover
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I mean Claudio Ranieri was pulling out masterclasses from Wes Morgan and Marc Albrighton

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and Leicester made Kanté, Mahres and Vardy

modern kernel
inland plover
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i think thats very commendable

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Schmeichel

lost horizon
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Kante really sped run a resume

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Was playing league 1/2 French football till his mid 20s

inland plover
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hella nuts

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how some players just bloom sometimes

modern kernel
fluid fox
edgy magnet
tropic flintBOT
eager wasp
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I forgot his name but he was crazy good for us as a youth director

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We don't know yet though

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Wildcard init

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Same thing as Rosenior tbh

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Could be Kompany

neon bloom
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Chelsea worst club to ever exist btw

dire stratus
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yes

flat moth
stark oriole
eager wasp
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Risky pick basically but high ceiling

flat moth
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They hating on INEOS & Berrada also

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The new management hasn’t changed much for United

eager wasp
inland plover
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Monchi would like a word

flat moth
eager wasp
dire stratus
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just sack wilcox

cold furnace
dire stratus
past fern
south helm
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Mourinho was Right

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The Secound Place get whit United was one of the most important achievements in his career

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This team have one of the most toxic management i ever see

modern kernel
granite notch
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lineup

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granite notch
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Prediction super Copa de espana:
Barcelona 6-2 Atheletic Bilbao

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Real Madrid 2-1 Atheletico Madrid

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Barcelona 3-0 Real Madrid

indigo knoll
hasty fog
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Hoping Atleti can smack Madrid but I guess I have to keep that as a dream

trim oasis
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Barca 4-2 Athletic Club
Real Madrid 5-4 Atletico Madrid
Barca 3-4 Real Madrid

lost dawn
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Rlly high scoring predictions wow

blissful fulcrum
neon bloom
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Please?

indigo knoll
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I can't take these specific Bayern fans seriously 😭

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karmic cairn
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Brutus 😭😭😭

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hasty fog
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Bro dreams of playing at Madrid and is now the enemy… wild

trim oasis
flat moth
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He really feels underrated
Should have won Euros POTT in 2024 also

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granite notch
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didnt know other clubs were interested in him

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he was signed for 1M from valencia and has been such agood signing, any sell will be on profit

lost horizon
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I genuinely don’t think there’s a player as beloved by the clubs he played for more than Thiago Silva

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He’s played at 5 clubs and the only comment you ever see is fans of the teams he’s left asking him to come back

dire stratus
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i dont think rm will sign him anytime soon so he is stuck at bayern for now

last spruce
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Wasn't karl literally asked what club he would like to join

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Absolutely can't blame him

eager wasp
eager wasp
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But the kid has asterisked his entire career 😭 could've kept it to himself lmao

tropic flintBOT
lusty bay
strange prairie
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strange prairie
# lusty bay why's that?

bayern has been the dominant force in germany for almost 40 years and they were usually the club all german players strived to join

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the thinking is 'why would you need to join another european powerhouse when there is a german club among the top 5 in europe'

dire stratus
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shouldnt have said that publicly tho in a club event

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it is kinda disrespectfull but u cant be so hard on him hes just a kid after all

strange prairie
eager wasp
radiant aurora
strange prairie
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football is a business now and players are their own brand of course they strive for the biggest visbility

eager wasp
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Bayern, Arsenal, Man City, Barca etc. have an elite group of players with no interest in going to RMA anytime soon.

strange prairie
eager wasp
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it's not a fact!

strange prairie
# eager wasp <@260419476380581889> read

i can read, you just don't get what we are saying. btw, the clubs you listed have 12 ucl titles combined while real has won 15 alone - so how are they not the absolute prime club?

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real madrid have just created such a brand name for themselves

eager wasp
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And exactly that, you can never become an all-time legend at Real for the most part and no one cares how many UCLs you win with them you'll be below "Nacho" in your UCL total 😂

strange prairie
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it's okay that you are hurt that karl prefers real over bayern

eager wasp
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? lmao

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they should restrict this channel to 21+

strange prairie
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how would you rate success for a club other than based on the titles they have won?

eager wasp
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kids here too is annoying

strange prairie
eager wasp
strange prairie
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you also don't have to get personal if someone disagrees with you

eager wasp
strange prairie
eager wasp
eager wasp
strange prairie
eager wasp
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And bringing up 15 UCLs mindlessly

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Reliable predictor of being a toddler in my experience

strange prairie
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and just for the record neither charlotte nor me are real fans

eager wasp
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You should hold yourself to a higher standard of football discourse given your pride in your position in the discord member hierarchy

radiant aurora
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Not all players will want to go to Madrid, but there is a history of top players at top clubs, already winning trophies and already making a lot of money, that do

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Every individual is different

last spruce
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I get the outrage and stuff but I think the whole karl thing is overblown a little bit

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He's a kid, of course he shouldn't say it but he's a young guy

cold furnace
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and lets be honest, if madrid says "i want u" who tf will turn it down

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Its real madrid mate

flat moth
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Please use some appropriate argument instead if just calling players frauds

flat moth
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Very very weird

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Why shall everyone just bow down & say “Oh Madrid have 15 UCL’s we can’t do anything about it 😞”

flat moth
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Thats why I really enjoyed Trent getting booed the heck out at anfield as well

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If you play for an already elite club which wins league titles regularly & competes for UCL it’s not necessary at all to go to the club with “15 ucl’s”

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Totally understand Bayern fans criticism for Karl

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Kid absolutely deserves it, should get more media training & shut his mouth up

strange prairie
flat moth
strange prairie
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see, that's all i was saying

flat moth
strange prairie
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and i also said earlier that previously german kids all wanted to play for bayern

flat moth
strange prairie
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but that has changed because it's so much easier to watch games from other leagues and also favoring other clubs now plus the visbility of premier league or la liga is just higher than bundesliga

strange prairie
flat moth
strange prairie
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i think it's just part of the game being more global. same as having more and more fans of certain clubs that don't even live remotely in their home regions

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and bayern fans were used to have an easy time signing german talents and being the top german club

flat moth
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I totally understand Bayern fans anger towards that statement though

They are one of the biggest clubs in the world as well, absolutely dominate the Bundesliga & regularly make deep European runs

A player who has just got out of the academy already making claims of wanting to play for another club is pretty disrespectful

strange prairie
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he tried out with real before he joined the bayern academy

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you could also say he feels like having a chip on his shoulder as he made it to the last round i think before he got cut

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either way i don't think a 17 year old deserves that hate

flat moth
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Because he does need to know what to say in public & what not

strange prairie
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of course

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maybe the should have thought about that before sending a 17 year old there

flat moth
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Yeah whoever decided to have Karl that event in the first place was silly as well

radiant aurora
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I don't especially care about player loyalties tbh. Clubs are the first to get rid of you if you're not up to their standard

past fern
flat moth
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Liverpool at the very top of Klopp era
City under pep
Barcelona from 2006-2016
United under fergie
Bayern from 2012 till 2020

Etc etc etc

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If you are at a club which is at the very top already i don’t see any point or validation in moving to Madrid

radiant aurora
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Liverpool won 2 league/CL titles. It doesn't really compare to Madrid

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They have a history of success. There's also something to be said for players just wanting to do something different. He's done it all with Liverpool. Why have regrets. It's a short career

eager wasp
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Amongst many others

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eager wasp
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You need to stop taking @MadridXtra at their word

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eager wasp
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Nope.

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it was an interview

radiant aurora
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Never said he'd leave. Ship has sailed though.

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dark badger
eager wasp
dark badger
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MadridXtra lies all the time

eager wasp
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reports came out

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after the Chelsea game

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idt madrid ever wanted him tho

eager wasp
radiant aurora
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Madrid have way too much work to do to be signing a 30 year old off an ACL. But it's Madrid

eager wasp
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been living under a rock for the past few years?

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eager wasp
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strategy be damned

dire stratus
eager wasp
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Whenever RMA don't get their target their fans and allied club fans like Man Utd start pretending they were never interested

dire stratus
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it could never end well when u have all the best players in the world who think they are the best players in the world in the same team

eager wasp
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It can but it's not optimal

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eager wasp
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fans

dire stratus
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there are a bunch of gloryhunting fans thats it

dire stratus
eager wasp
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Anyway

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Have been many instances of players rejecting RMA for many different reasons

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It's not an automatic dream for everyone

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defenitely not everyone but for many it is

flat moth
# radiant aurora Liverpool won 2 league/CL titles. It doesn't really compare to Madrid

Being a mercenary at Madrid in comparison to having immortality at another one of the biggest clubs in history is different though

He could have easily been one of Liverpool’s biggest ever legends if he chose to stay there.

Besides that since 2018 Liverpool have won 2 premier leagues+a ucl & Madrid 3 la liga’s+2 ucl’s, La Liga isn’t on the same level as premier league currently & i don’t think 1 ucl extra is some extraordinary success(the three peat squad is no longer even there bar Carvajal who is constantly injured)

flat moth
radiant aurora
flat moth
radiant aurora
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I do have a little smile to myself when a Liverpool fan not from Liverpool criticises Trents loyalty though. I know a few. The self awareness is just not there 🤭

flat moth
radiant aurora
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Some people want different experiences. They want to be able to say they played there

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For someone my age, I'd definitely want to play there.

flat moth
flat moth
radiant aurora
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Totti never moved to Madrid. He could've won so much more. Maybe he regrets it. Maybe he doesn't

flat moth
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Don’t think he does
Pretty much demigod status amongst his home city for him

inland plover
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yea man i get it too

radiant aurora
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I think the main thing for me is that a player should do things on their terms. A club will happily toss you aside as soon as they don't think you're good enough for them

inland plover
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Real Madrid is simply the pantheon of football

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they all want to go there

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its the galacticos, its the hollywood of football

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its just the facts

flat moth
inland plover
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for example ribery wanted to go to madrid

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he even rebelled

flat moth
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Clubs are ruthless businesses at the end of the day

inland plover
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Bayern was so stubborn that he ended up staying

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but he was adamant on going

flat moth
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But yeah they are the biggest club in the world

inland plover
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not all of them of course

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there is still loyalties, preferences etc

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but going to real madrid is like getting an oscar for acting

flat moth
inland plover
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or in a hollywood movie role

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most actors are gonna take the chance if they can

radiant aurora
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Trent already achieved everything he could at Liverpool. Staying there was just adding numbers to the appearance tally

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Gerrard never ended up a 1 club man. Carragher did, but if not for his media presence everyone would've forgotten about him a while ago.

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Being a club legend is a personal satisfaction and nothing else. He probably felt he's done everything and couldn't feel he would add more to that, doing it at Madrid would

inland plover
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Gerrard was close to a madrid move btw

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idont really remember what caused the transfer to break but it was close

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same thing with de gea

lost dawn
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Most fans don’t think about it from the player’s perspective

inland plover
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De Gea was something about the faxx machine not working

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hmm maybe the gerrard move wasnt as close as far as what steve wanted

lost dawn
inland plover
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but real wanted him

inland plover
flat moth
inland plover
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kinda goofy as fuck loll

flat moth
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Not really the same

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Also Gerard was also a way better & important player than carragher ever was

inland plover
flat moth
inland plover
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ngl true

flat moth
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They probably dont get courtois in 2018 then

inland plover
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this was before the threepeat i think

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and then came coutr

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court

flat moth
inland plover
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yes because Flo wanted Keylor out

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he never rated him, bad pr, not trendy enough

flat moth
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Ddg failed so they just backed navas for the season

inland plover
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he thought De Gea was gonna sell more

flat moth
inland plover
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yeah

flat moth
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Even if they three peat with ddg, they probably miss on the 2022 ucl

flat moth
radiant aurora
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Remembering when some fans tried to gaslight the world in to believing Lunin was a decent keeper because he was at Madrid while Courtois was injured

inland plover
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people forget so fast

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his prime was insanity

flat moth
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DDG 2018 was actually elite

After that his shot stopping just fell off & him being poor or subpar at everything else his value fell

flat moth
inland plover
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rly fun gk to watch

flat moth
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He was just too old fashioned unfortunately

lost dawn
flat moth
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So after hit shot stopping fell off he became a liability

lost dawn
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Unfortunately nowadays goalkeepers have to have the passing range of a number 10

flat moth
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Good for him he got to win a premier league at least

radiant aurora
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Talk about plummeting.

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flat moth
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Respectable enough club career

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inland plover
flat moth
terse sky
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take: If salah was english he would be considered a top 20 oat winger

lost dawn
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He’s one of the best keepers we’ve had tho

radiant aurora
lost dawn
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Up there with van der Saar and schmeichel

flat moth
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Like idk what happened to ddg in summer 2018 lmfao

He was so bad in Russia & then came back & also fell off at united

inland plover
flat moth
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Almost like some flip switched all of a sudden

flat moth
inland plover
terse sky
lost dawn
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radiant aurora
terse sky
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hes never talked about in debates, casted aside in popularity competitions too

radiant aurora
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By 'all time' I assume people mean 21st century otherwise it becomes impossible to measure

flat moth
# terse sky pr merchants dont think so

In the modern era I would only put Messi, Cristiano & Neymar above him

If you apply injury tax on neymar(i personally dont) you can argue for salah for that as well

radiant aurora
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How do you compare Sir Staniel of Matthews, Garrincha and Salah

terse sky
lost dawn
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Like current?

radiant aurora
flat moth
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Current world 11 or all time

terse sky
flat moth
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All time he isn’t in world 11

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Oh fifa one yeah he should be

lost dawn
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He’s not in world 11

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I mean

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Oh that one

radiant aurora
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Maybe last season you could argue. But if we're talking all time he's not in the top 5 XIs

inland plover
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for this century i rate di maria, robben and ribery higher than salah tbh

flat moth
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Not rn but last season he should have been

lost dawn
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Well idk tbh, I think he should be there, but yk yamal and all of that

inland plover
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and then u have messi, ronaldo, neymar

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mbappe

flat moth
radiant aurora
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People forget John Mcginn plays wide right now

terse sky
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people go on about raphinha bring robbed out that spot, talk about salah man

inland plover
flat moth
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Messi, Ronaldo & Neymar only ones above for me for now

flat moth
inland plover
inland plover
terse sky
flat moth
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Thats why it feels that way

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  • Liverpool were occupied on slot drama
terse sky
lost dawn
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That and it actually was ridiculous to not have raphinha

terse sky
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we need some good pr

flat moth
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When world 11 was going on

lost dawn
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Also you could argue if it’s on a year basis

radiant aurora
lost dawn
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From January to December

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Salah underperformed

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After that PSG game

flat moth
terse sky
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i wish i could go back to last year at this time

inland plover
flat moth
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Salah is just insane to me
Top 4 premier league player as well for me

radiant aurora
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Hazard is probably somewhere in the conversation, though I rate Salah higher

terse sky
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on a different topic, why is there still a debate between messi and ronaldo

flat moth
dire stratus
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paul scholes defenitely among top 10 prem players

lost dawn
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Like they’ll be retired

flat moth
lost dawn
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And we’ll be 80

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And still arguing about it

flat moth
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😶‍🌫️

dire stratus
lost dawn
cyan egret
lost dawn
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Couse revisionism

cyan egret
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Arguing about it in 2026 is already lame

flat moth
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Fuck I am not sure who I rank higher all time in di maria & hazard

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Hazard for peak perhaps

cyan egret
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Should talk about how goated enzo is

flat moth
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But I like di Maria’s career more

inland plover
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Wingers this century, top 10

Messi
Ronaldo
Neymar
Ribery
Di Maria
Bale
Salah
Robben
Hasard
Mbappe

terse sky
inland plover
flat moth
dire stratus
terse sky
lost dawn
flat moth
inland plover
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let me fix

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radiant aurora
inland plover
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I think Nedved did play as winger sometimes, but he was not primarily a winger, and even when he played in the wing he was more of a RM than a RW , the RM is kinda lost now nobody uses it so fair shot to not include pavel

radiant aurora
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Figo, Beckham, Nedved played a different role

inland plover
inland plover
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the game wasnt as pacey

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ur correct

flat moth
flat moth
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Rarely talked about how elite he was as a midfielder under ancelotti at Madrid nowadays

radiant aurora
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Di Maria basically had a trophy created for him. Who else can say that 🗣️

flat moth
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I think people in Argentina dislike him now all of sudden for it

inland plover
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😭

flat moth
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He probably ends up third there

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By the time he is done

inland plover
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yeah, he might aswell win another world cup

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still only 27

flat moth
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Probably a couple or maybe more ucl’s as well as he is at Madrid

inland plover
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do u think he could end up as the greatest french player of all time?

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and beat sidane, karim, platini

flat moth
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I don’t think they will do a three peat again anytime soon or anything that audacious

But their talent is always a lot

vernal jay
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the best african youngsters rn

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dire stratus
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ynk france are one of the favourites for this year's wc

flat moth
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They probably win 1 or 2 in the next 5 seasons very likely

radiant aurora
dire stratus
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there is a lot of hype around that france squad

flat moth
vernal jay
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Do you mean Karim benzema

flat moth
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There is Benzema there so I am thinking overall

inland plover
flat moth
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Because benzema never won anything bar nations league for france

stuck gulch
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Someone update me on what this conversation is about

radiant aurora
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Oh I thought you were talking about Mbappe

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Benzema will never be close to the conversation

inland plover
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I dont understand this Karim talk

flat moth
inland plover
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The most complete striker ive ever seen bar R9, what he did at real madrid is unbelievable

stuck gulch
# inland plover if mbappe can become the greatest player that came outta france

I mean Mbappe has played a crucial role in 2 world cups already with major success, one final and one triumph. He is 4 goals away from being the wc all time top scorer.

I don't even think it's limited to France, I think he is on course to become in the top 10 ever players internationally if he can retain the same wc form.

inland plover
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Lewa and Suares are better killers, yes

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but Karim was the most complete

stuck gulch
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And higher than 10 imo

radiant aurora
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R9 Inter pre injury is probably the most complete player I've ever seen.

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Feet so fast his knees couldn't keep up 🕊️

stuck gulch
inland plover
stuck gulch
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But it was so short lived.

vernal jay
stuck gulch
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Take.

inland plover
vernal jay
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Benzema wasn't even close

flat moth
stuck gulch
inland plover
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and judging by what messi and ronaldo are pulling off, Mbappe could easily play for 3 world cups more

stuck gulch
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Not wc success but as good as he performs thw samw

flat moth
stuck gulch
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Mbappe is on course to be in top 10 international players ever if not higher

inland plover
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mbappe could prolly also beat KLose record

radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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Realistically if France can actually play as good, he could equal the wc scoring record. He only needs 4 goals to tie Klose.

stuck gulch
inland plover
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at 27 bro

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although the world cup has more games now though

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and scoring against haiti isnt really the same as scoring in a semi final

stuck gulch
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At 27 is wild. And performing like that at 18-19 for france. Absokutley generational there is no denial. I used to not like him and pretend he wasn't generational. Lmao.

inland plover
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so i guess it becomes a bit distorted

flat moth
flat moth
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If you go to the final

stuck gulch
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Yeah we have to look at his performances against specific teams but he has been major successful against big international ones.

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Like giants.

inland plover
flat moth
inland plover
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i thought the adding of so many teams made it like 3 or 4 more games

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ahh valid

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then its not rlly a big deal

stuck gulch
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Scourge which club do you support i never knew

flat moth
flat moth
stuck gulch
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Because Ronaldo or have been supporting?

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Also Let us think where does Mbappe currently rate all time international players. Top 30? Top 20? Top 10?

inland plover
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when he retires he will be the third best of this century imo

radiant aurora
inland plover
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it will be messi, ronaldo, mbappe

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and then going back, there is maradona, pelé

stuck gulch
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I mean isn't Mbappe arguably better than Ronaldo on the international front (only not overall player(

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More tournament success while delivering as a key player

inland plover
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but clubwise Ronaldo eats mbappe club stats for breakfast

stuck gulch
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Yes for sure

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I am thinking only international

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Like separating countries only

radiant aurora
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Mbappe and Ronaldo have a trophy each, don't they? I think Ronaldo actually might have more; plus he's done it with a 90 year old Pepe and Jose Fonte - very much why context is very important internationally because some nations are naturally disadvantaged

inland plover
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if only NT then I guess Ronaldo wouldnt be top 10 imo

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he has won a euros by shithousery

flat moth
# stuck gulch Because Ronaldo or have been supporting?

No I am joking
I don’t really “support” any club as I don’t have any direct attachment to any lol, support more of a stronger connection where you are a part of community or feel a belonging

But I like City in Premier league

inland plover
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fine he is the biggest portugal goalscorer

stuck gulch
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True but Portugal while not giant like France is still generally always had a pretty good swuad

inland plover
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but no world cups, or world cup finals

flat moth
inland plover
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no leading scorer in world cups, and not sure if euros either

stuck gulch
stuck gulch
radiant aurora
# inland plover but no world cups, or world cup finals

Portugal qualified for 5 tournaments ever before Cristiano. This is why context is important. The fact he won anything with Portugal is a bigger achievements than winnning anything with Italy, Germany, England, Spain, Brazil, Argentina

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Portugal were grouped without Cristiano in 2016 too

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That team was legit awful

stuck gulch
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Kante Pogba might be one of the best international midfield of all time thinking about it.

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Even if I am only looking at 2018. Sorry.

flat moth
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Probably

stuck gulch
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Poritygal then but afterwards their squad at lwast on paper is pretty good

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I cannot type 🥀

flat moth
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Went to euros final & won world cup

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With that duo

stuck gulch
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Yeah and they delivered insane, complimented one another perfectly.

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It's really a shame Pogba at club level just declined but at international excelled.

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Because if he performed like he did for NT at club he could have been generational

radiant aurora
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Still not really seeing it with Pogba post Juve. Had an 18-month spell aroun the 2018 World Cup but thats it

flat moth
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2014 sure

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They qualified due to him only

radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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After juve for club he was lame thh

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I wonder who the unsung hero of the france winning wc squad was hmm

radiant aurora
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Portugal 2016 was nearly 40 year old Pepe and Carvalho, old Quaresma and past it Nani... like, that's the good bit

stuck gulch
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I am pretty sure pepe was 32

flat moth
flat moth
stuck gulch
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Quaresma was still class in super lig ngl

flat moth
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Quaresma scored the winner vs Croatia yeah

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Poland was a penalty shootout

stuck gulch
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He was always a good player with terrible attitude but I watched his games in turkey a couple of them he was great at helping build up

flat moth
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Wales I think Nani & Ronaldo had scored

stuck gulch
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Nani not really sure what to think of

flat moth
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Final they defended well
& eder scored luckily outta nowhere

radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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The only time Renato Sanches was ever good was that tournament too

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We got scammed 🥀

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I guess his one season at Lille was good too but that was the best form he ever had.

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Eder scoring the winning goal has to be the weirdest thing that's happened at one of these tournaments. So random and jusr disappeared.

radiant aurora
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Regarding greatest international players ever, I just think it's a non-starter as a conversation. It's essentially "Who are the best players born in Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Brazil and Argentina"

stuck gulch
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I mean it's gonna only be looking at who excelled in each tournament, ik it depends with the squads around but for the most part portugal has still had a decent squad.

Players more like Aubemayng etc never can get anywhere internationally or like Dzeko

radiant aurora
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Charistaes scoring the winners against France and Portugal is probably 'better' than what most individual Spanish players have done

stuck gulch
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rhoclouds you have been typing for 3 hours what is it

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Now I am thinking who is very underrated for international side. Like maybe not really spoken about enougu

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Enner Valencia only performs for NT 🥀 Ochoa too 🤣

flat moth
radiant aurora
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I personally think the 2016 squad was awful

stuck gulch
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I don't think so it seemed decent. Maybe not one to win the tournament but not terrible

radiant aurora
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I wouldn't have it anywhere near the top end. I imagine not many of the players went on to achieve anything after that

stuck gulch
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I think they performed better for NT obviously separated not so good

flat moth
stuck gulch
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But Silva Sanches Nani (yes even him is ok( Ronaldo obviously Pepe was class

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Pepe is one of their best international players

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Or was

flat moth
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Maybe the wales game as well i don’t remember
But i remember cristiano scored & another of his shot was deflected off nani

radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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Silva was ok...maybe not aftee this

flat moth
stuck gulch
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Yeah i found him ok

flat moth
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Not bernardo😭

stuck gulch
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Ik I didn't know Bernardo until 2019 🥀

radiant aurora
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Failed at Leicester, failed at Samp nd diappeared

stuck gulch
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I think in tournament he was ok

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Club foe sure not so good

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Nothing special but just ok

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I think Cedric was the one that wss hardest to watch for me

blissful fulcrum
stuck gulch
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Right and if Mbappe performs like he has at another wc...he will go above some of these

radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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You know with players like Muller and Neuer as mucu as I love this unfortunately Germany as a whole fell odf pretty bad

radiant aurora
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Team of the 2010s

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I think they have an interesting ranking system

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Romario often forgotten.

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stuck gulch
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Why isn't Romario mentioned in top players ever like he shoud be?

flat moth
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How many players have won 2 world cups while being awfully important

Pele
Cafu
Italians of 1934 & 1938

radiant aurora
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Romario tore Europe up... but not for long enough

stuck gulch
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I guess so. It's not jusr statistics but he was there putting non human performances up

radiant aurora
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Even in 2000 Romario and Edmundo annihilated the treble United team in ti the ground

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He'd have a ballon d'or if not Europeans could win it

stuck gulch
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The one player I wish we had seen get a chance internatioaly that didn't because of how stacked the team was is Elber. Mullers idol.

flat moth
stuck gulch
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I think so too Scourge

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I mean 2 wc finals already with one success and major contributor and performance. One more success or performances against large international teams...

flat moth
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Comfortably buffon imo

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DDG third tho certainly

stuck gulch
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DDG was one of the best keepers itw for a whileand still makes my top 10 list. I am not sorry.

flat moth
stuck gulch
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I wish we could have seen him play at a club that would give him more success.

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But we did get Keylor Navas at Madrid who was a monster. As much as I hated coming against him in cl.

flat moth
flat moth
stuck gulch
stuck gulch
radiant aurora
stuck gulch
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But under DDG

radiant aurora
flat moth
radiant aurora
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I'm assuming so based on him not being top 10

stuck gulch
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Keylor Navas is well above Ter Stegen imo.

flat moth
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Insane 6 year peak

stuck gulch
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Not sure Bravo belongs on thisnlist...

flat moth
stuck gulch
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I rate Handanvoic higher than Lloris but I will get flamed for that.

radiant aurora
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relevant to the conversation we had earlier

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flat moth
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Stegen had higher highs than navas
But also way lower lows

stuck gulch
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I think Navas in cl performances were better than la liga and it was just insane. Consistent af.

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Lloris too me had too much error prone things in his game.

flat moth
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Seems accurate enough

radiant aurora
flat moth
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Regardless

stuck gulch
shrewd fractal
flat moth
stuck gulch
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But confidence is a major thing for any keeper

shrewd fractal
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ooo ok

radiant aurora
flat moth
stuck gulch
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Imo biggest myth of the years was Karius was a very good goalie before cl final.
He was error prone ad already and bang average.

flat moth
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He was average imo

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Okayish for elite level

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Nothing too insane or anything special but was fine

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Then ucl final happened & he got killed totally

stuck gulch
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Yeah average imo not good enough for Liverpool so as bad as the cl final was, I think a new goalie was always going to be a major boost/contributor. And Allison was just that.

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It was inevitable to sign a new one.

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Feel sorry for him and the confidence. He was pretty lame in Turkey ngl.

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But just my thoughts.

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Between him and Mignolet who was average or even brlow..

radiant aurora
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we're only half way throughbut this is his team of the 2020s

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flat moth
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Yeah it’s definitely a 1 decade limit as there is no KDB in no.10’s

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Fuck this website is actually elite

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@radiant aurora thank you for sharing

stuck gulch
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I am happy Hamisk gets a nod

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Was absolutely world class.

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Should be way above Gotze...

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I gotta go now

flat moth
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Deserved one, those Napoli teams had too much competition from juve unfortunately

radiant aurora
flat moth
radiant aurora
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Yeah Hamsik, Mertens, Insigne, Callejon missing out on a title made me sad

flat moth
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Yeah all big serie a legends

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Whose peaks unfortunately came at the same time as Juventus’s dynasty

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Insigne at least won a euros
& I think callejon won a few things in Madrid

Mertens & Hamsik i don’t think sadly ever won anything very major

blissful fulcrum
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underestimate elliot anderson at your own risk

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this is one of the best midfielders in the world

radiant aurora
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I wonder where Joao Gomes ends up.

inland plover
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golden era for keepers

inland plover
radiant aurora
inland plover
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bookmarked it 😎

stuck gulch
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Imo

radiant aurora
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Success at Barca, City and Chile will have helped a lot regardles of overall performance too

modern kernel
runic chasm
#

Yo team of the year voting starts in 2 mins

terse sky
midnight peak
feral bobcat
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rip

stuck gulch
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Sorry didn't mean to be insensitive just saw the post above

inland plover
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but his latter seasons at City ruin it all

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some crasy awful performances there

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at Barca he was solid

shrewd fractal
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bro this new messi interview is fire he was so open

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and he can speak english apparently hes just embarassed 😭

trim oasis
granite notch
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Raphina went back to carrying barca

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I didn't see it was lounge mb guys

indigo knoll
flat moth
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I remember when he joined PSG there was an interview with Guliem Ballague, where he revealed he understands basic English to communicate with referees but isn’t very fluent in it so prefers to speak & use Spanish only

flat moth
ionic sail
cold furnace
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Bois name a forgotten player, not like a pogba or dele alli, but actually forgotten

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I will start:
Shinja Kagawa

radiant aurora
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Fredy Guarin

cyan egret
inland plover
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Jackson Martines

tropic flintBOT
subtle plover
modern kernel
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Terry Yorath has passed away aged 75.

dire stratus
radiant aurora
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New reading material.

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feral smelt
radiant aurora
past fern
hard mantle
neon bloom
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🕊️

ionic sail
stark oriole
stark oriole
inland plover
trim oasis
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That was definitely a result Atleti fans wanted to avoid.

subtle plover
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It's just a friendly

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They can now focus on what's important

trim oasis
subtle plover
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You could say that. But defeats in these are forgotten immediately

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This is a team that's lost actual competitive matches to the same opponents over the years, a defeat in this showcase thing won't have any of that feel

inland plover
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5-2 in the league julian hattrick

lime viper
dire stratus
mint sierra
dire stratus
mint sierra
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Can't blame him

dire stratus
# mint sierra Grew up in poverty

sure i mean i dont blame him but he had potential... could have gone to a bigger club.... his pay wouldnt be as high but he would have a better career

mint sierra
dire stratus
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but he is still pretty young

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he could turn things around if he wanted too

mint sierra
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The problem is usually a lot of players grow up in extreme conditions where they always had to worry about when they would even have their next full meal at as early as their childhood age, so they grow up with that mentality of unfulfillment

Some do have hunger to chase the top so they don't do that, some don't

dire stratus
mint sierra
dire stratus
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if he manages to get in the columbia squad for the wc and has a good run other big teams in europe might try to sign him.... he is still just 22-23 something so yea he has time

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hopefully he wont burn out after seeing money so early on

mint sierra
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But Luis Suarez will start over him probably so he has to prove it

dire stratus
mint sierra
tropic flintBOT
unreal grotto
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can this bot fuck off man i do not care

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i get pinged about this every week

hexed python
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“welcome j hart” bro what 😭

bitter viper
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Leave me here permanently

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Or don’t

karmic cairn
neon bloom
dire stratus
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its the ref

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i thought he might already have access wuf

neon bloom
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J hart welcome 🔥 🔥

eager lance
past fern
stuck gulch
#

That question makes me think about what is realistically going to happen with Gyokeres. Wasted/sunk cost.

inland plover
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I think UEFA should do something about inflated prices and salaries

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so that this doesn't happen

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Modric transfer fee in 2012 was 40 million euros

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let that sink in

flat moth
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Its sort of natural

radiant aurora
flat moth
#

Currency inflation happens naturally

& then football(& all major sports in general) is also being filled with more & more money everyday in turn increasing the spending powers of the clubs in general as well

inland plover
radiant aurora
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And that's the only way you can stop it going up really

inland plover
#

I see damn

ionic sail
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Also why would we want the owners to save more money? Its not like it goes back to the fans at all

inland plover
flat moth
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Anything can crash at any given moment
But it’s really difficult for premier league to crash

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Marketing & broadcast deals globally are simply way too good