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Bro never started in an ucl final

This doesn't really work because GTA titles are released late in the year when the next season already started
So like San Andreas was released Oct 26th 2004 at which point the 04/05 season already started in which Chelsea won the Prem
I dosen't care when the GTA is released
No
Buy back clause
He was there academy player who they sold to Como with a buy back clause so that in case he turns out good they can get him back easily
He turned out good so they activated their buy back option
We should sold Vini
Ik
Smartass choose bench over legacy
And Vini don't guaranty this
Hell nahhh
He will leave them again in 2-3 years
He isn’t better than Jude
& he isn’t a 8
Who is Vini
Pointless to get him back
Vinicius
So he can’t co exist with Jude
what is FCSB
Madrid is the worst club for development
My team
I suppose he is a FCSB supporter
Who likes Madrid also
Yeah
FCSB local
& Madrid ucl team probs of his
Romanian team from Bucharest
We dont have a good season Right now
But we make a progress from summer
Just need some new midfilders
And a good Lb
Our is old
New Daily Question:
UCL winners
Can Fcsb fans also NOT talk about there ucl trophy 😭
Who said we can't
The "Justice"
Fk that
They are represents the corupt system
Where money is laundered on a grand scale
Almost every Fcsb fan I meet speaks about the ucl trophy within 10 min 😭
It's "our" achivment
Probably the biggest achievement in whole of Romanian sports
But is that all 😭
Like that ain’t ur whole history right
But they keep spam calling that 😭
Of course not
Exactly
We give players like Hagi,Duckadam or more Recent like Nicolita and Rădoi
We achive a Europa League Semi Final
And we beat teams like Galatasaray,Ajax,Chelsea or Lazio
Or Feeynord 3 weeks ago
what about christian chivu?
He never played for us
He played for Craiova
And he move to Ajax
For 3 millions
In 1999
i see
Sup
Yo mate
One side of me is happy that yamal won the award but the other side of me is still sad that rapha didn’t win any single rewards
Like yeah it’s awesome seeing yamal winning the best attackers in the world but rapha not winning a single reward or even mentioned or nominee is crazy
Barcelona fanbase & media are themselves to blame for it if anything
They are the ones who chose to make yamal the posterboy over raphinha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmoYb1vjn4 is 1:50 to 1:59 the greatest volley ever?
Football awards are becoming a lot more like the academy awards where its as much about the campaigning
yup
he won best player of laliga
Barca fans(not all of them)are delusional
If they believe evreything is against Barca
They maked whit their hands
I wouldn’t really go around generalising fanbases as delusional as that comes across as low quality & toxic which is against the ethos of this channel
But otherwise the pushing of Yamal over Raphinha by the whole of Barcelona fanbase & Media really did come across as a very wrong choice to me
But is sad to see more and more of them thinking that it's just them and that's it, they don't know how to respect other clubs and other fans And I'm not just talking about Barca, but about all clubs because they all have this facto
It's a marketing strategy isn't it, rather than basing it on skill. Yamal has a longer shelf life and better story to push out as Messi's successor.
Thats acc true
Barcelona is the biggest Yamal glazer
Yamal glaze is justifiable
Well this is a trait visible in some degree amongst the fans of all big clubs
It’s reasonable in general as its their own player & future/current face
But at the same time its weird as well as it pushed down another in the pecking order
Puma really outdone themselves this time 🥶
Yeah
La Masia youngster who is Catalan born can easily be pushed around as a messi successor
It’s just wayyy too much, it’s good to show love to ur own talent(s). But it shouldn’t be a bad thing for other players in the team
Yeah thats correct of course
Shouldn’t have propped & decorated him more than raphinha & pedri
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Yeah that’s sucks most of the big clubs have toxic supporters and least ground minded supporter
Like how a college football coach's job is now half fundraising from rich people 😭
egypt is so cheeks at finishing without marmoush and salah
The absolute embarrassment of riches football used to have. The 2000 Ballon d'or
1 Luís Figo
2 Zinedine Zidane
3 Andriy Shevchenko
4 Thierry Henry
5 Alessandro Nesta
6 Rivaldo
7 Gabriel Batistuta
8 Gaizka Mendieta
9 Raúl
10 Paolo Maldini
David Beckham
12 Zlatko Zahovič
Fabien Barthez
14 Francesco Toldo
Francesco Totti
Roberto Carlos
17 Patrick Kluivert
18 Edgar Davids
Hakan Şükür
Mário Jardel
Fernando Redondo
22 Pavel Nedvěd
David Trezeguet
24 Marcel Desailly
Oliver Kahn
Rui Costa
27 Laurent Blanc
Claudio López
Roy Keane
Juan Sebastián Verón
I know all of them bar Claudio Lopes, Sahovic
sheva third
feels like talent was way more distributed before
last years ballon dor was so many psg, city and rma/barca
2001 was more worst
How Owen win
I will never understead
I was talking about how great this one is, not bad. It's the greatest list of all time
Valencia/Lazio during their good eras.
Insane list 😭
Zahovic is imo the best slovenian player ever
Both lopes and zahovic played for valencia
Lopes peak was lazio imo
Zahovic peak was benfica
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better than Oblak?
Man, i respect the ball knowledge going that back
I wish I knew more about the early 00s
Oblak is great
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Individual awards so drc
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both are irrelevent in my opinion but idk why they would do that
Probably UAE government paying big bucks
To get their award fifa branding & attention
its not something new for FIFA either, they were partnered with Ballon D’or for 6 years in the past as well from 2010 till 2015
Now they just gonna do it with Dubai D’or’s with probably some good money involved
Hi
Hey
Irrelevant before and after
revenge
I know and they deserved it
Oh you're French like me
Hello !
Yeah
Garnacho owns cardiff? More like garnacho TO cardiff
Garnacho owns Cardiff
Hi
Ligue 1 McDonald's
Oh shit.
World Cup year 🗣️🗣️
Lol
World cuhuhuuuup
outrageous
does anyone even take these guys seriously?
Yeah I don’t agree with CultureCams here, which is rare ngl
Which is crazy since my man also said cherki has more ability than mbappe
ousmane
to say that vitinha has been the best player in the world from january to december is absolutely ridiculous; there were significant stretches where he wasnt even psg’s best midfielder, let alone the best player in the world
idk tbh
barely watch psg
for me, the best player in the leagues i watch is pedri and mbappe
It’s fair Joao Neves for me has been more important than vitinha
for serie a idk the league is in shambles
For that PSG side
morata (?)
The league is diabolical
Boring af
At least rn atm
It’s just the poor results
But they’ve been picking up
dembele has been kind of poor since like august
yea valid
i can see him losing motivation now that he won ballon
lol
slowly fadin away
So many draws😭
Joao Neves > the rest
Same
Neves was better than vitinha for me as well
Tougher & more hardworking role than vitinha’s
Yeah, it’s not like he’s underrated he’s fairly rated I think but he’s overlooked
Not nearly talked about as much as Vitinha
Vitinha is world class imo,
But his role at the same time in that psg side isn’t as crazy as its made to seem
Neves on the other hand seems to be doing way more & yet doesn’t get same amount of praise
As is the life of a midfielder like Neves
Yup
You don’t notice him normally but when he’s not there, you notice
Yeah more or less
Happy New year lol
Happy new years lads
Happy new year!
Happy New Year!
Feliz Año Nuevo!
bonne année!
Pedri
happy january transfer window to those who celebrate
||Porto is||
People might think I am glazing here but;
Genuinly the only players to deserve that number 1 spot from JANUARY to DECEMEBER, like the full calender year,
have to Pedri, Lamine Yamal and Mbappe.
I will explain
Ousmane Dembele and Raphinhia unfortunately due to injuries have not kick-started the 25/26 season as well
Salah has not been at his best form
Kane and Haaland have started the 25/26 fiercly but we're talking about the entire calender year.
Vitinha on the other hand, has been a constant performer all year round just like pedri, yamal and mbappe
So you can definately make an argument for him; hence saying vit is the best player of 2025 wouldn't be an invalid take in my opinion.
Mbappe is the best player in 2025
Since he's been the most consistent
yes definately has a shout
pedri, vit, yamal and mbappe i feel have been the only ones who were top-notch all year round
And then lamine, pedri, vitinha
vitinha PR needs an award
He's not even the best Portuguese midfielder in his own team
Obviously true
The reason Mbappé is better than Cherki has nothing to with technical ability
Gabriel Jesus has 10x technical ability of Erling
I think it's Mbappé then Haaland then the rest. Haaland's closer to the 24/25 season was only okay but the lights out august-december gets him an easy second over the deep midfielders imo
Yamal and Vitinha should not be in the conversation
Yamal performed all throughout 2025
and we have to consider players who performed the entire year
if we're going just this season; then its easily haaland, mbappe and kane
Pedri, Yamal and Mbappe performed from january to december imo
hold smoke
as far as NPG goes Haaland is very near the top for all of 2025
Pedri is quality but I wouldn't compare him to forwards with elite output
Yamal 21 goals in 2025 tbf not as low as I thought fairs
Raphinha was injured only for like a few weeks
& has had a good season so far as well
Dembele sure
Just 6 starts after the club world cup
Answer is Mbappe either way
January-December he has been unmatched
🙀
Eintracht frankfurt will be uecl winners in 2027 as well 🙏
Aim higher
For Europa League
Yh, uel is more money, but seeing the current form and links in the window, I am hoping for uecl.
Also
‼️ Chelsea are yet to confirm or comment on the possible departure of Maresca after 18 months as head coach, but sources believe the Italian will leave his post today, three days before the club face Manchester City.
~ @Matt_Law_DT
https://t.co/KUnk71Lmi7
Looks like it's 100% that he isn't staying
UECL for top clubs doesn’t feel prestigious icl
Are we that much of a top club like chelsea tho
Like Chelsea winning it last year felt like a stamp of formality instead of something worth clapping dor
man chelsea is so cooked
You are in ucl & europa mostly
It was fun while it lasted
We aren't a consistent ucl club tbh
being a fan of a club with competent owners must be nice
We have qualified for it like 3 times.
Thats why i said Europa
Yh fairs, I was just saying we qualified for ucl through league as much as uecl.
Sacking so many managers with a squad full of children feels very stupid
Sack & fire culture only works when you have experienced players
With kids it will never work
irs cus our owners ahve the eog of children
ego
Chelsea won't win the league for a while now, gotta know it beforehand.
In Abramovich’s time it worked because the team was full of elite talent
Haven’t won it for a while already
😭
Yh, he would buy anyone.
Been 8 seasons
& will be 9 & probably 10 seasons definitely
Better than Arsenal & United still
Tho Arsenal can finally do it this year
Hopefully not.
Talking about city, are you all gonna be active in the window?
Semenyo
Rest probably not
Bar him
Probably not
Oh aii
Chelsea would be so dumb to sack Marseca
Who is the CDM for city currently ?
Nico Gonzalez
I thought he was just a CM
Foregone conclusion
FAC is a much harder competition than UECL
Felt worse than bayern winning bundesliga’s
Financial gap was so laughably humungous
Billion Pound Chels in a competition with 10-15 million pound teams
Rodri is injured so he plays as a 6 currently
Yeah because Dortmund, Leverkusen etc. would also be the richest team in UECL by far
Tho a pep 6 is close enough to 8
other than Chelsea ofc
& nico is naturally a 8 only
Man i Miss Rodri😔
Yup
Strasbourh are top rn
Of UECL
Their B team gonna win it this year
Palace 😂
Embarrassing stuff
Unfortunately he is probably finished
He got 1 more in him
Trust the process
he should try to get back into form for the world cup atleast
Off ball he is totally done
Body just not it
On ball maybe he can recover still
Zubimendi will start over him in USA
very likely
hmm yea
ye not talk about enuf
i think he will leave in the summer
there is still enough time for him to get back on his feet so unk
lets see
Even if rodri is very good on ball when he is fit again
Zubimendi is better off ball now
Because its an injury thing & not performance thing
People still not fully realised yet
& feel he can fully recover
Maybe he can as well
But unlikely rn
hmm true he has been quite consistant now..... what do u mean by off the ball ?
Defensive Work rate when you don’t have the ball
Pressing, tracking back, contributing defensively to your team etc etc
Fr and i think pep will build without him
Already has more or less
oh ok.... yea it might take time for him to get back to how he was before or he might not even be the same
Nico is competent enough
On ball he will probably always be good
Off ball he is never becoming the same
Best solution for rodri perhaps is a role change to a dlp or a 8
As a 6 he won’t be probably be that good again as he was prior
hmm fair it will be interesting to see what pep does with him now
Probably try him as a 6 for a while
isnt he kinda fit rn ?
To see if he can still be as good
he might be in the bench today
He has got to fitness just now
maybe
He’s a bit old so the recovery will be harder that’s true…
What the hell
Wow they really sacked him
He left himself.
And I really don't get the sacking tbh, who do they plan to replace him with ?
They didn't sack him.
He wanted to leave?
Toppmöller don't leave us mid season please.
Bro literally won them conference league and club world cup and they even decided to sack him after just few bad games
I guess the only way to be a chelsea manger for a long time is winning every single trophy in football including international trophies
Some disagreements with the higher ups I assume ?
Correct, management would have disagreement with anyone who isn't a Yes man.
Even tho i dislike Maresca for being too stubborn, that he's leaving mid season.
They had a similar issue with Tuchel?
Yes
Who do you think they will replace Maresca with?
The most realistic option is the Straßburg manager.
But i don't think the club should get him, Straßburg is running so bad.
Chelsea has enough money to pull someone else out of the club.
Like they did with potter after tuchel shit.
Yah but we need to factor all the other factors of the sport too when making a best players in the year list
however definately Haaland gets into top 5 or even top 3 for most people in 2025
Yes Mbappe was firing all cylinders
Fairs pal
WC year Mbappé is taking 2026 as well
Haaland bros we will be back better in 2027
Yes and unfortunately he also took some time to come back in form and all
I was comparing him with the rest of the players
But in december he SAVED barca a lot haha; definately a contender now that he's fully fit and back.
he also had about 20 assist i think
One thing you'll get from mbappe is constant output no matter how his team is peforming.
Not really that true
on the balance of their careers Haaland has been just as if not more consistent
Yes
24/25 was just Haaland's worst ever season and he was injured also in early 2025
His npg p90 is better than Mbappé in 2025
but played 17 fewer games
Thats impressive
New Daily Question:
Is he good?
No, even if he was good, the club should have no rights to get their manager and treat them like some feeders club.
Chelsea have enough money to get someone else out of the club.
They should stop treating that club like it's nothing.
They can easily get him cuz of that Blueco thing right
Yes, they own the club.
That's exactly why I dislike the way they run/treat the club.
Basically they will just fuck up one of their clubs for the other
it's always Straßburg
Poor fans
True real bad situation to be in
Their fans have valid reason to get mad at the owners.
They treat them like it's some random feeders club whose job is to just to get chelsea reserve.
Have some shame BlueCo
Really sad especially when the club is doing good enough to be top of the table in uecl
Chelsea has no future
A good manager will come, then win something, and asks for an experience or something else, then leaves for having some disagreement.
This disagreement thing happening twice is such a joke
More than that
You remember poch?
That guy asked for two players and the management rejected it because they don't have resell value.
I really did think Maresca could have done more for the club and stayed for few more years
Bruh
Eineshi vro
Had they gotten him experience yeah
This recruitment gimmick will be the downfall of their club
Realistically maybe he will join some serie a club. Conte might leave soon but idk maresca and Conte play different styles and Adl really spent a lot to give Conte his ideal team
Fuck no
He should join Frankfurt please
I don't want that either
I need a manager like him man, the club got a decent budget to give him the players he wants as well.
Some weird shi man lets see what the new manager will do
We will treat Maresca well.
The question is whether Maresca would join. He has established himself to be good enough to atleast expect the club he takes to be in ucl positions
We are a good club
👀
If Frankfurt makes it to top 4 🤔
He can do that with frankfurt
We won't finish top 4 without him.
Chelsea fans enjoyed it, let me enjoy Maresca ball as well 👀
Idk how this and the whole city thing will work
Idt he is taking over a club till summer 
Pep will leave in 2027
I'm fine if he's gonna stay for half season
Ok?
Exactly, so I doubt he’ll stay jobless for 1 year and a half
So he's gonna join us
U asked if they were above Ajax or it wasn’t you ?
You replied to a different message tho
I can see ittt
In spot 40 bro
I would have said the same last summer but keep cooking my dear Spalletti 👀
Juventus board is worse than chelsea yeo
That's why he should join frankfurt
Both my club and eineshi club is on this table btw 😭
One is better than the other.
That's the point
That's true we keep wasting money
Is ajax even better than club brugge
How much ucls do Brugge even have
But the fact maresca got fired proves that Chelsea is a joke club
Having Less ucls than Ajax could never be us
WHO even likes Madrid 🥀
I’m a Bayern fan not Madrid
Clean play no foul
Who has more points currently
Ye that's what I thought mate
The management is a joke yes
But he left himself which is worse
Penal for argentina
Frankfurt should be in UECL
You shouldn't be in Europe with that logic
I mean they have a ucl final appearance
Ig
Liverpool drawing against Leeds.
Against Liverpool.
vitinha hasn’t been the best midfielder though
he’s been consistent but not the best
I've put Pedri, Yamal and Mbappe before him for me.
Thing is, I've barely watched PSG to really rate vitinha but I just know he's been consistent all year round; whether he was the best in his team, thats upto PSG fans to tell.
kimmich, hakimi, pedri, haaland, etc are all in the conversation for me
So?
Yeah Kimmich been elite the whole year
Hell tbh hes always been lol 😭
I feel like he doesn’t get enough flowers idk
Kimmich one of the most if not the most consistent baller
Yup
could be that his rise has followed the downfall of germany NT
he reminds me a lot of Lahm
but opposed to Lahms int success, kimmich has had to deal with a struggling germany that hast failed time and time again
More or less yeah
Do they not know football is a team game
If a small nation has a good player they have to take responsibility for the whole team for some reason
bruh he was one of the best players in the team
i think he was injured for a game
but managed to score when he started
Exactly
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to be fair, the government banned the whole team
genuine question, why wasnt the handball in germany v spain euro 24 not given?
im oretty sure it was natural position
Couse there was a foul j think during buildup
The coach should be, not Aubameyang.
Dumbest response to ban a player lmao
he did not even play all the games 😭
Bros banning there best player 🥀
Obviously he's the reason why they fumbled a 2-0 lead 🙄
How could he!
💔 Burkina Faso and Wydad player Aziz Ki received the news of the death of his 9-year-old son where he was playing a match with his schoolmates before he fell a painful fall in which his head hit the ground.
The player left Burkina Faso's camp in Morocco immediately
Banned?
Ref mistake
& I don’t remember a VAR check being made(probably judged it as natural position & didnt tell red to check monitor)
It makes me angry to this day
Yh horrible moment for Germany
We would've won the Tournament 😕
Yup
Spain & Germany were only elite teams in 2024
The winner of that quarter was deffo gonna win the whole thing
Germany got unlucky due to refs
And it's funny to see that nobody sees Germany as a contender for the World Cup
So it went to Spain
It should've been the final
Yeah shame it happened in quarters itself
Deserved to be a final or at minimum semi final
2024 Euros was pretty weak in general,
None of the big European nations looked good bar Spain & Germany
Especially France
It's an insult to football to see them in the Semi final
Beat Belgium thanks to a og in ro16
& Portugal on pens in quarters😭
90% of their goals were penalties
New Daily Question:
I think their only open play goal was in the semi final
(A game they lost)
Deschamps football at its finest
Yup
Feel like they can win or go to the final again next year
In terms of depth & quality they are still the best
3 world cup finals in a row 🔥
Mbappe has the chance to make history
Will join 82-90 Germany
& 94-02 Brazil
If he can replicate that World Cup 2022 form again
If they go to the final again
Yeah he & messi can break klose record deffo
Messi aged tho
So better chances for mbappe
Messi on 13 goals rn
Mbappe on 12
Klose on 16
Cherki & Olise feeding mbappe is terrifying
Dembele is a world class playmaker as well when on it
They have 3 high volume & high quality creators
& Mbappe
The front 4 is nasty(if deschamps used that is)
He has used Rabiot, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Kone, Kante, WZE & Khephren this year so far
In midfield
But rabiot might very well start again hilariously
Yeah it’s deschamps he’s got an obsession with him, even though there are much better options
Honestly if the squad is good they will win it
If no injuries happen
Biggest question is Mbappe
He’s been getting injured
I was thinking they needed a more creative 8 like Pogba
But cherki or olise as 10’s in a role similar to griezmann 2022 also fixes that problem i suppose
Griezmann 2022 so underrated oddly enough
Absolute creative monster
Cherki or olise in a similar role & france go all the away again if all clicks
Workrate might be an issue
Cherki’s been developing his defensive contribution
But I suppose their creativity is worth a shot
So I don’t think it’ll be the biggest issue
Yeah he has
For me before the final he was france’s best player
🔥
Definitely looking bright
After final mbappe ofc
Cant talk much against a hatty
And he players for Munich
He was their best player
Bar the final
Griezmann 2018 got so much praise
But for me his 2022 campaign was clearly better😭
warren zaire-emery is the most likely answer to france’s 8 problem, don’t think he’s getting enough minutes to start over rabiot, who deschamps loves
He was on par with messi in everything bar goals.
Till the semifinals absolutely
Mbappe’s the key for the success for France
Yup
Griezmann’s 2022 stats were nuts
If he’s not playing good I don’t think they go far
He was great in the semis too imo, not the final tho.
Yeah wze is solid but doesn’t play enough
I guess mbappe got better after that tho.
Yeah
Till semis griezmann was comfortably their best
After that final performances mbappe
He was definitely more of a complete player in 2022 compared to his 2018 campaign.
Damn Griezmann started to become more of a complete player during his last stages for France nt
they obviously need a controller, but some of their responsibilities can be swept under the carpet because they have such elite chance creators in the 10 and on the wings
He's so underrated
2018 for me Varane or Pogba were there best players
Tho it was very well a team effort
He's young and have more qualities than some midfielders much talked about by the Media
Yeah Cherki, Olise & Dembele’s creativity makes up enough for the lack of a controller imo
If deschamps uses them tho
Mbappe, Griezmann, Kante also absolutely elite
Matuidi LW shifts😂🔥
Hot take from me
Emery>Simmons or Olmo
i mean they dont need an elite controller who can playmake all over the pitch and create tons of chances, but they still need someone to organize the team in transitions
someone who’s just a reliable passer, decent reader of the game, and a sufficient ball progressor
Camavinga can do that to
But is not really good on attacking
my main concern with france is that they dont have someone who is going to be able to do this and they will end up looking very incoherent
Only teams which I look at & cant easily say problems for are Spain & England rn
Tho I haven’t watched England games under tommy tuchel
But on paper i don’t see any major flaws
Wait maybe RB for Spain
Carvajal’s knees seem done
& I don’t rate porro ngl
They have one
Evreyone on this team want to be the Star
llorente or pedro porro
More then If we look at Spain or France
England is just team selection
Either he picks all the stars
Or he picks an actual team
There was so many convos being had just because Bellingham didn’t get picked for a friendly
Yuppp
The only teams I see capable of winning the World Cup are Spain, France or Portugal if Ronaldo doesn't start as a starter
I would be surprised if Portugal win even with ronaldo benched
They have a good midfield & defence though
Portugal are barely favorites, but Ronaldo is their only valid striker option
But all the balls will go to him which doesn't help.
I think they can go far, my heart says they make it to the final
Only way I see portugal winning is if they shithouse games & then score a goal or two on individual brilliance
But my brain says quarters or semis
Leao, if he's fit, will play alongside Vitinha
It’s just Martinez
He should not be coaching
Yeah, same reason everyone went on that gimmick about how if Ronaldo plays man united play worse
i don’t think portugal is great, but it seems pretty likely they could make semis just based on how ive predicted the groups to go and matchups
It’s not that he makes the team worse, he scores, but everyone just feels obligated to pass to him or give him the ball
It’s just the fact
And that lowers the team performance
Would probably rank it like this rn
1 Spain
2 France
3 England
4 Argentina
5/6 Portugal/Germany
7/8 Brazil/Netherlands
Spain/France/England being favourites level for me
Argentina/Portugal/Germany teams who can probably win
a lot of people i know are putting brazil top 4 and i really just dont see it
They just don’t convince me
Netherlands & Brazil negligible outside shot
Rest all near 0
Ancelotti hype perhaps
Always felt ancelotti will actually do amazing in international comps
Brazil dont seem very good though
He is a gaffer with basic tactical principles & peak man management so seems rather suited for international tournaments
For teams which are stacked with big players
Yup
Feels funny to me he has more UCL’s than SAF & Pep
Yet SAF & Pep for me are very clearly superior coaches to him
Man management is really magical i suppose😂
That and the teams he’s used
The quality on display in this team’s was unmatched, like serial winners
Was having a conversation on the server few days back
Remember someone pointing during that how close some of Ancelotti’s ucl wins have been
Especially 2003, 2014 & 2022
That and the spectacular comebacks
It’s just aura, I don’t like using that word too much
But he has aura
i’m just not sure at all how brazil is going to line up
Idk, Neymar probably still gets picked tho
Solely off of name
And presence
2003 - juve players fuck up on pens despite buffon heroics & nedved misses the game
2014 - ramos scores last minute header to save Madrid
2022 - cinema level storyline every tie😭
Brazil should deploy Bruno Guimaraes, Casemiro, and Lucas Paqueta as one midfield trio. If a possible Neymar return happens (he's been amazing in the league), then he should play attacking mid
Nedved mentioned
2024 joselu moment as well & the city tie was on penalties
so what formation?
2007 ancelotti’s most comfortable ever UCL
I disagree
Otherwise all of the 4 others have been cinematic/awfully close
2005 the once he lost in final was also the bets comeback ever in a final😭
What else was comfortable start to finish
Many Milan players were getting old, the run was easy but with the age of the squad I guess it would have been a bit difficult
Oh so you mean 2007 wasn’t comfortable either
Okay
Well I remember then winning the final & semi comfortably
Quarter was against Hamburg that they won fine enough as well
Ro16 I don’t remember
Lemme check
433, I mean Casemiro and Bruno G, paqueta as a 10, defense Gabriel next to Militao
and what about cunha? is he going to play CAM or more in that second striker role. if he plays second striker will he be paired with vini or man idek? or will joao pedro be paired with vini. and if he chooses to use wingers what will happen between raphinha and vini? maybe raphinha cam?
struggling to win against celtic certainly shows it wasnt as comfortable
Raphinha as a 10 works, Cunha can play as a striker I guess but it’s not what he wants
Is 2007 banter era Milan
He wants ball to feet but in this type of team idk
They won UCL
Or is that 2008
so no
UCL win is still UCL win man
ok
Yea a star needs to get dropped
Many actually
Brazil needs new fullbacks as well
Who are their full backs?
I think Don Carlo plays Henrique usually on the right
Left back seems very up in the air
Or Wesley from Roma
vanderson should play on the right
It seems Carlo is going more with that recently
I know he’s only recently been appointed but the clock is ticking for the World Cup
lol and cant forget about estevao
good luck to ancelotti
he is going to have to make something out of this mess
They shall treat it as a long term project perhaps
Till 2030
Try to win 2028 Copa
& build up for 2030
Hopefully
Ancelotti is so overhyped
This tournament will be peak, the best players in 2025 like Pacho, Caicedo, Estevao, Marquinhos, Luis Diaz will all play
Ecuador have the structure for a mean team
They need a new striker thou
Valencia would be pushing 40
No
single most overrated manager
Most boring manager when it comes to tactics
He's good
But defenetly get old
It's common they switch every time and call ancelloti and Zidane the most overrated
That's why
People think he's the best because of that
But in reality most of those UCLs were luck based where his tactical failures got bailed out by individual brilliance
hence why he's a horrific failure in league football
Barca fan i assume?
Winning 5 ucls with "tactical failures and individual brilliance"
Not all 5
and the opposite happened once tbf with Milan
But the nature of his UCL wins are clear in his terrible domestic record
you can't win 2 league titles in 9 years with that generational Milan superteam and be considered a T3 manager of all time
What about wenger
Wenger is the opposite of Ancelotti lol
barely any trophies comparatively but tactically great
immensely influential
Who wud u rather have
Depends on my team tbf but personally would prefer Wenger, though all-time I'd rank Ancelotti higher
What team do u support btw
Man City
Winning CLs is impressive, but I think people hyper focus on them too much
Milan won the CL in 2003 by winning 1 of their last 7 games in the competition
ahaha
and that was an injury time winner
Incredible statistic to have stored
CL wins are great, but cup runs in general are just less impressive than a league title over 30+ games for me
Then certain achieivments get overrated. 'Winning in 5 leagues' is just such an arbitrary thing
Depends on the financial dominance you exert on that league tbf
PSG winning a Ligue 1 means nothing
I mean as a managerial feat
Well said mate
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like chelseas "we won every european trophy"
Getting 95 points and losing a few games > going undefeated with 90 points. Never understood the fascination with it
arsenal invincibles?
i still think it's a big achievement, it's extremely hard to avoid losing at least one game
defo not the best prem season ever anyway
But I don't think it even matters
yeah statistically it means nothing
i think the mind of a football fan remembers teams that played the most fun and joyful when it comes to it
not effectivity, or results per se, or stats or points
Which is why for example Chelsea 2012 UCL run is not very remembered, the squad didn't really play any memorable football
yet Ajax run in 2022 is legendary for many
For me it’s true at least, I find myself remembering memorable matches more than other things
same. I love watching a Bielsa team that is on form even though i know they won't win titles
Bielsa teams are very fun to watch
Because apparently he ruined football
Till the gears pop off
yeah although when he had just came up everyone would watch Barca I remember
then the tikitaka thing got so repetitive people started getting exhausted by spain NT and barca
Long throw in
Proper Stoke ball
I know Pep has kinda gone through a million metamorphosis since then though lol
It’s why he’s good, he’s last changing, adapting and developing his style
maybe he had covid
That or drew up the team sheet 4 shots of tequila in
Not anymore
it's the most common criticsm anyway
except the money thing
This post-pep prem of set pieces long throws and terrorist football is considered way worse 😂
so many 0-0s
Before 2023 it used to be that Pep in UCL matches would overthink it
I can’t stand this new long throw in nonsense man
lol why is this so funny
Like yeah that 2021 UCL final line up was a head scratcher
pep is like a weird genius
well put buddy
I’m sure they will bio pics are all the rage these days
they hated pepball till they found the alternative
Legend
brasil foreshadowing
Who would play him?
Yup
Knockout tournaments aren’t really the best way to judge coaches
daniel bruhl 
Especially when the league record is lacking like Ancelotti’s
One of the best managers ever certainly
But “GOAT” over last few years feel overdone
PEP a film by Danny Boyle
Because he has started to get “GOAT” tags over the past few years
Overrated doesn’t equate to calling someone Bad
Well hes up there imo
Whose your top 5
He is an all timer & top 5/7 all time
But his tactical skill is far from “GOAT” level
He has started to get so many GOAT shouts in recent years only since the 2022 & 2024 UCL wins with Madrid due to the number of UCL’s he has, which in general is a horrible metric to judge coaches as knockout tournaments are easily swung by luck & individual moments from players
SAF & Pep are the best ever for me
SAF simply had an insane amount of longevity while also innovating & adjusting to every era, absolutely perfect man manager & squad builder as well
Pep simply a tactical mastermind & genius, who has dominated league football like no other
Ancelotti’s performance in league football, a type of competition which has less of an influence of luck & individual factors is way below both of them
Yet in the last 3 years so many are placing him above both plainly due to UCL medals
Well yeah those 2 are in the top 5 as well
I've glazed pep numerous times and caught heat for it 
Those 2 might be better perhaps
People who call Ancelotti the GOAT dont quite realise how close some of his UCL’s were
To avoid repeating Scourge, i'll add Luis Enrique and Klopp to this list
Carlo?
Yeah he is top 5 plainly due to his man management
two of the coaches that have impressed me the most for their ability to rebuild, remake and reinforce teams
Very few can keep superstars happy like him
i dont think Klopp gets enough credit for what he did to Dortmund and Liverpool imo
I like both of them
But they're not ahead of ancelotti imo
and Lucho for me is a genius. Also very likable. Humble, hard worker, creative, does the best with what he has
Klopp didnt win many league titles either
Enrique & Klopp aren’t above ancelotti all time
But I understand tbh
Carlo is great too yeah. I just didnt wanna mention names already on the table
Better tactically though
Carlo is probably one of the best if not the best at handling egoes
Only SAF is a better man manager than him
bro can manage any player and squeeze their strengths
SAF yes he was great
most likely this is given by experience and wisdom i think
Yes
People were scared shitless of SAF
Yeah but he was notorious for crashing out
At HT to his players
Id say with ancelotti the respect he gets from players isnt based on fear
SAF was treated as a father figure by most of the United players he ever coached
He was just strict when it was needed
So whose the rest of your top 5
Pep SAF and who else
Look i know him because im dutch
But most people wont know him
Lets stick the managers we watched
Unless ur 50 or something you couldn't have watched him in his prime
I wish I had seen Maradona live
at least in the 90s when he was at boca all coked up
and fat
I have watched plenty of old games during Covid as there was a lot of spare time
But sure if you to limit it to modern era then ancelotti is probably third, Mourinho at 4th & del bosque at 5th
some coaches that these newer gens kinda snub is Fabio Capello, Vicente Del Bosque, Guus Hiddink
Capello is also an all timer yeah
i think his later career ruins his image
if he had stopped at real madrid
same with Wenger or Simeone
other coaches that I think should get their flowers while not being in the top 5 table is Emery, Pellegrini, Bielsa, Conte, Ranieri, Heynckes
Heynckes man he was the artist behind the Bayern treble
Finally fabio being mentioned he is really the most underrated guy
not when he was active
back then, he was at the top
he coached Juve and Madrid
Italy NT too
Capello was very respected
dunno why he is forgotten
Yeah and won several italy super cups too
I think it’s partially because he seems a pretty reserved person
He doesn’t do a lot of public appearances
valid
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sacked from Real Madrid twice despite winning the league title both times for playing tactically sound but boring football
yes agreed.that's partly why he was successful at RM and might just do quite well with Brazil.
Off the top of my head I wouldn't say Pelligrini
Emery just got a bad rap from the Arsenal meltdown
I think even prime pep would be drop kicking David Luis for some of his defending during lockdown
Winning titles in his first season at Juve (after they finished 7th the season before), Chelsea (10th season before), Napoli (10th season before) and 2nd season at Inter (no top 3 finish in 8 years) is impressive to me
what 'bout sir matt busby
he has perfected his flowchat


