Have the Bishops go through character arcs and let us heal this broken family please

[buoyant gale]

I feel like it would be a heartwarming thing that everyone would want to see

[buoyant gale]

Also have them become better people please

[hidden forge]

YES

i imagine this to be in a dlc though

[buoyant gale]

Maybe a webcomic

[buoyant gale]

Also give them their senses back please. Or at least Shamura's

[buoyant gale]

Please

[buoyant gale]

.

[buoyant gale]

Bumping this so that it remains on my screen

[buoyant gale]

.

[tulip pivot]

BUMP!

[tulip pivot]

nahhh

[buoyant gale]

Why not?

I feel like it'd be easy to implement. Just use a ritual and change their sprites.

[tulip pivot]

i like them with it lol

adds character ig

[buoyant gale]

Would ripping off Narinder's arms count as building character? (He's do no evil)

[buoyant gale]

This sounds odd out of context

[tulip pivot]

well no if it doesnt tie into the lore

i dont like just. fixing all their problems u gotta keep some of em

[buoyant gale]

They wouldn't have those problems if it weren't for Narinder

Yet he gets off easy

And plus they spent a lot of time in purgatory

They deserve something nice after everything they've gone through

[tulip pivot]

some things are permanent

maybe if their like family relationship is fixed it can serve as a reminder to narinder of his mistakes

and like make him feel guilty

[buoyant gale]

Reminder that Shamura can't fucking think. Nari can't really fix the relationship there when they can't think. So at least give Shamura their mind back, or at least some of it.

[tulip pivot]

ok yeah some of it is fair

[buoyant gale]

Give Leshy some of his eyes back

Give Heket some of her throat back

Give Kallamar some of his ears back

Give Shamura most of their mind back

And take away most of Narinders arms

[buoyant gale]

Please

[hidden forge]

i think fixing their injuries/disabilities woulf take away from the story

i do agree with a healing arc but not fixing their disabilited

itd be more interesting and respectful for the bishops to learn how to live with their disablity & the harm they have all done to each other while healing

taking away their disability story wise takes away the harm that narinder had commited and their decisions/the harm they made (whether he hurt them or they hurt themselves for a ritual)

being healed/their action not being permanent dismisses what was done and the impact of that harm

if they could be healed by lamb you could argue "why couldnt they heal themselves?" too

plus itd be disrespectful for those who relate to the disabilites shown in cotl or generally disabled ppl

plays into the idea that disabilities NEED to be fixed, can always be fixed, or that people cant live with/heal with/ be happy while having a disability

[tepid plover]

Give the lamb oppurnities to care for their disabilities

I have a whole list of ideas for this ^

[hidden forge]

half agree half disagree

[tepid plover]

oh?

[hidden forge]

if lamb cares for them while their disability is in mind yes

ex: lamb gives leshy flowers or something with scents

[tepid plover]

I can find the ideas for you

[hidden forge]

i would love to see them

however the bishops have clearly been able to help themselves and i dont want a narrative thats "look how good i am for helping these poor disabled folks!!" (not saying urs is but unfortunately i see a lot of media where disabled characters are used to make another character or something look good)

[tepid plover]

The lamb crafts leshy guiding stick out of wood and gold, has cobbled roads so he can easily tell whether he is on the grass or on the path.
Leshy relies a lot of smells too so outside of his house, he has darkwood flower incense.
The temple has a crackling woodfire close to it, and the kitchen has food smells

Heket was given a charmed slate, and chalk in which she can give messages to the lamb. Sometimes she eats the chalk though and needs more. Heket hates being cared for the most and will resist it as its humilating to be cared for by your enemy

Kallamar also gets the slate so they lamb can give him instructions, and so he can take part sermons and interact with all the other cult members who can read. Kallamar can still pronounce words some what but has lost track of whether they are pronounced in an understandable way, but some idea can be gaged from the tone

Shamura has pictures of the other 4 bishops in their home, as well as clear words saying "My brothers and sisters" and one next to the lamb saying "My leader." As well as a book next to their bed of all the doctrines and other cult members

The lamb makes them all creams with honey and camilla soothe their pains which they have with the morning and evening meal. It can be drunk as a tea, or applies as a cream. The lamb also replaces their bandages with crafted silk ones every morning, besides Shamura because Kallamar wants to look after them.

Kallamar has to bathe and dress and feed Shamura, and helps go through the book with them if they are scared and lost and confused.

[tepid plover]

Yeah, I am disabled though so i tried to look at through the lens of help not cure

[hidden forge]

same

i like your ideas

i prefer the bishops helping each other more than lamb helping

i think the shamura one is very sweet

as someone who relates to shamura's disability

[tepid plover]

but there is also the aspect they are are part of a cult so there will be control from the lamb in some aspects regardless of their feelings towards the help

[hidden forge]

very true

i would love if you wrote about this or had a fanfic involving these ideas

story wise i see the bishops helping each other to fit in well :)

[tepid plover]

i do have an ao3 but my fanfics arent appropiate for the server right now
I think I might do some brainstorming, if you want my ao3 let me know

[hidden forge]

i do!! you can dm me

:)

i appreciate your ideas they're pretty respectful (from my perspective)

especially shamuras, saying as someone who relates heavily with shamuras disability

[tepid plover]

I dmed you :)

[hidden forge]

:D

[buoyant gale]

Wait what

[tepid plover]

whats confusing?

[buoyant gale]

Could you explain your disability?

[buoyant gale]

Including the one where Kallamar has to take care of Shamura as if they were a toddler? No offense.

[tepid plover]

There is a heavy chance they will find that offensive

[tepid plover]

maybe do some research on intellectual disabilities, brain damage, and dementia, etc

[buoyant gale]

I know that's what you have to do.

But like, that's absolutely humiliating, especially for someone who was apparently the wisest of the bishops

[tepid plover]

yuck

[buoyant gale]

Sorry, I'll delete it

[tepid plover]

please think before you say things :/

esp things like that

[buoyant gale]

Anyways

Does @hidden forge have to go through that?

[tepid plover]

idk

but I know I need to be cared for and i've worked with people who need to be cared for a lot more than me

[buoyant gale]

A lot more than Shamura as well?

[tepid plover]

yes

[buoyant gale]

Is Shamura a high functioning example of such mental illnesses?

I mean follower Shamura

[tepid plover]

shamura is verbal and mobile, and within the game, seemingly only has impaired memory

[buoyant gale]

VERY impaired memory

Are you a professional? /gen

[tepid plover]

I don't have a qual specifically but i've had lots of work experience / personal experience / self research

[buoyant gale]

I see

Well it's good to know that Shamura isn't helpless

This thread got horrifically derailed though

[tepid plover]

I think it was an important convo lol

I know when I was younger, people never explained this stuff to me they just said I was being discriminatory without giving a reason so I hope I have helped a bit

[buoyant gale]

It did

[tepid plover]

don't just stop with me though, seek out people who deal with things and listen to their experiences
its a wonderful thing to understand others

[buoyant gale]

Thanks

[tulip pivot]

^^^^^

[tepid plover]

what do you think about my ideas for the lambs care?

[tulip pivot]

still reading hold on

[tulip pivot]

oh i rlly like these :))

[tepid plover]

Thank you!

[tulip pivot]

only thing i would add is maybe shamura having a personal book where they could write down things to remember/is important to them? i also feel like theyd have a hard time remembering when to eat and stuff so the other followers could remind them :)

[tepid plover]

I did mention that kallamar would help them, as kallamar feels guilty for a) trying to send the lamb their way b) having shamura defend him

I love the idea of a personal diary, but of course the lamb has full access to it

[buoyant gale]

and then the lamb sees that Shamura has a crush on them lmao

[tepid plover]

amazing

[tulip pivot]

yea! i just wanted to bring up that also

[buoyant gale]

Making sure this doesn't dissappear

[wicked gazelle]

This is so cool!

[tepid plover]

Thank you! Should I write a fic about it?

[wicked gazelle]

I'd read it. It sounds wholesome and well-thought out :).

[tepid plover]

Unlike my usual ones 😂
But yeah Ill give it a go after my current one is ended

[tulip pivot]

IK THIS WASNT REFERING TO ME BUT YES.

[buoyant gale]

As for the arcs themselves, anyone have any ideas? I have some

For Leshy, maybe something to do with his implied inferiority superiority complex? (Am I getting that right?)

[tepid plover]

For the fanfiction?

[buoyant gale]

And for Kallamar, maybe something to do with his cowardice?

[tepid plover]

Or for the actual game

[buoyant gale]

No

[buoyant gale]

This

[tepid plover]

I wanted them to confront narindar about what was done to them

[buoyant gale]

I thought you said "comfort" for a second

But yeah, he needs to feel guilt for his atrocities

A lot of guilt

He needs to suffer

[tepid plover]

What would you have him do for penance?

[buoyant gale]

Take away a part of his body

Make him represent "do no evil"

Tear off his arms

[tepid plover]

Maybe hands cause that represents his tools for attrocities

[buoyant gale]

Well, it I'm tearing off his arms, then it's safe to say he wouldn't have hands either

[tepid plover]

No he gets to keep his hands just not his arms 😂

[tepid plover]

Who gets to do it? The bishops or the lamb?

[buoyant gale]

Neither of them

Maybe something else entirely

[tepid plover]

Talla? Or what ever the tentacle god is called

||Or maybe the bishops get to take from him the parts they lost ...||

[buoyant gale]

Maybe they'd do that without knowing?

Like, someone offers them their parts back and the bishops are like "sure why not" and it turns out the parts actually belong to Narinder and were changed to look like the bishops' parts

I've actually thought of a story like that multiple times

[tepid plover]

You should write it

[buoyant gale]

Maybe

[buoyant gale]

What are your usual ones?

[tepid plover]

Unwholesome and not well thought out lol

[buoyant gale]

Are they dark fics or... other types of fics?

[tepid plover]

Ask me when you are 18

[buoyant gale]

Ah, I see. It's the latter.

[grave birch]

I would love that! Plus it’ll give us more exclusive dialogue that only they say. I even submitted a suggestion about more exclusive dialogue from them.

[wicked gazelle]

Having them like visibly adjust to being in mortal bodies. Maybe the other followers are extra mean to them because The Old Faith is implied to be the bane of The Cult of The Lamb lol. And then they slowly become better.

[tepid plover]

Mortal disabled bodies too cause I believe the crowns were doing a lot of the heavy lifting before hand

[buoyant gale]

I was thinking arcs that are more specific to the individual Bishops

Also maybe we could play as the bishops

[tepid plover]

Currently kallamar seems to be doing better in the cult than the others, maybe he hated the responsibility

I also like the idea of them playing the opposite roles as to when they were alive
Pestilence becomes cure
Chaos becomes order
War becomes peace

Etc

[wicked gazelle]

Oh yeah. I feel like Leshy would cope the best. Like I don't think he could see that well even in his eldritch form as well because he doesn't target you, so I don't think Leshy would miss *seeing *too badly. But he is implied to use other senses granted by the crown I think, so he would miss those a lot. But he is the youngest. And he is implied to just screw around and burrow in Darkwood. Like the his followers are just described as "inhabitants" and not worshippers. But there are plenty of ways to have fun and be chaotic as a mortal so he wouldn't be deprived of his main passion. Plus, I think he can still burrow around like Ratau.

[tepid plover]

Having to play the opposite roles as they were before as well as getting used to their individual disabilities as well as how they feel about it, and confronting narindar would make great juicy character arcs

[buoyant gale]

It's implied he never wanted to do the whole sealing of Narinder and genocide thing, so maybe he could express great anger about being dragged into things he never wanted to be a part of?

[tepid plover]

Kallamar: it wasn't me it was them!!!!
Also kallamar: guards a chain

[buoyant gale]

Again, the whole "dragged into it" thing

[tepid plover]

I question his truthfulness with that statement tho

[buoyant gale]

True

He may have been lying

[tepid plover]

He could have just been saying things to not die

[wicked gazelle]

Trying to save his ass

[buoyant gale]

It would still be an interesting trait

[wicked gazelle]

Maybe his plague is not sticking to his principles and allowing his siblings to take the bus fo rhim

[buoyant gale]

Ooh

[wicked gazelle]

They can talk that out

[buoyant gale]

Maybe the bishops have to re explore their land?

[buoyant gale]

Tying in with this?

[tepid plover]

lamb: All my species is dead becaues of you
bishops: Hold on let us work out our family drama real quick

[buoyant gale]

Maybe their arcs could include their guilt over that as well

[tepid plover]

do you think the lamb would ever forgive them

[buoyant gale]

The lamb doesn't seem to be too upset about their race anyways

I mean, sure, they're sad when they're being executed, but that might be because they're being... well, executed

So, maybe they would forgive the bishops

Maybe they wouldn't

[tepid plover]

my lamb wouldn't, but thats me

[buoyant gale]

Or maybe they're just a blank slate meant to be projected on

[tepid plover]

pretty much
so what would your lamb do?

[buoyant gale]

They wouldn't forgive them at first, but they'd then recognize that the bishops were simply doing what they thought they had to do. Then the lamb would forgive them.

and then marry Shamura hehehe

Or maybe they wouldn't fully forgive the Bishops, but would still be kind to them

Would yours be kind to the bishops, even if they don't forgive them?

[tepid plover]

I have two diverging lambs in my head, one where the lamb looks after them and one where he absolutely does not

[buoyant gale]

So one where they are kind, and one where the Lamb kind of ignores the bishops?

[tepid plover]

one kind, one cruel, but I wont go into more detail if you dont wish me too

[buoyant gale]

Please don't

[tepid plover]

ok

the kind one i have already gone into detail about with him caring for their disabilities

[buoyant gale]

Does the cruel one take advantage of their disabilities?

Just answer yes or no please

[tepid plover]

No

[buoyant gale]

Good, the cruel one has some standards....

/hj

[wicked gazelle]

I have a lamb in my head that only keeps the Bishops ||alive so they could perhaps learn the secret to resurrecting their species and where they're buried and stuff, so they're actually quite nice and forgiving towards them until they realize that the Bishops can't give them what they want so they brutally force-choke them all. Simultaneously.||

[tepid plover]

Might wanna spoiler that ik spider is sensitive to violence against the bishops rn

[wicked gazelle]

Ooh that's how I spoiler tagggg

Then there's this other version that marrys them all because they're lonely being the only immortal

[buoyant gale]

Jesus Christ

[tepid plover]

Cutie
The duality of the lamb

[buoyant gale]

What if it's the same lamb, except it resurrects the bishops after killing them, and THEN marries them?

[tepid plover]

||which order? and would he wait for their reactions after each one?|| <- Violence against bishops

[buoyant gale]

They did say simultaneously....

So like, I think they choked all 4 of them at the same time

[tepid plover]

turns out i can't read lol

[buoyant gale]

Just like Pit!

[tepid plover]

who is pit

[buoyant gale]

This guy

Also I feel like you guys are getting a bit sidetracked, so maybe finish this in dms?

[wicked gazelle]

He looks like Link with wings

[tepid plover]

im just vibin I forgot there was a track

but yeah @wicked gazelle wanna go to dms?

[wicked gazelle]

Sure why not

[buoyant gale]

Cool

[buoyant gale]

.

[buoyant gale]

Boost

[buoyant gale]

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[buoyant gale]

Yeaey

[buoyant gale]

.

[buoyant gale]

.

[buoyant gale]

I've summoned the Iris to keep this thread alive

[buoyant gale]

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[buoyant gale]

L

[buoyant gale]

Hello

I'm glad I got this link to work

[buoyant gale]

Anyways, this still stands

[buoyant gale]

Oh wow, I remember you

[buoyant gale]

Please don't ignore this thread

[mighty creek]

hi! please don't bump just to keep the thread alive, just let ppl discuss here when they feel like it!

#🎉・news-and-patchnotes message

[arctic pawn]

I want This man it would be a wholesome miny storyline fixing a broken family cause of a prophecy a lamb and a hatred for there brother

Cause then it would be up to us to fix this families distrust and let stuff go

[crimson sierra]

I’d love for this to happen
Especially with Shamura, I’d love to see Narinder and Shamura fix things up since Shamura had arguable the most traumatic injury of the 4

[buoyant gale]

I'd like them all to reconcile

[buoyant gale]

Right?

[little drum]

I feel like this could be a route that The Lamb could kinda choose given a few options they make? Maybe one of the bishops has extra dialogue like " should I attempt to reconcile with the other little guys? " And The Lamb has a moral decision? But also this is just written on a dum thought

[sullen light]

That would be a fire update, also just adding more ties to the story (LORE!1!1!!11!!)

[hidden forge]

LOOOREEE

[buoyant gale]

Also please don't group them as one arc

[buoyant gale]

Any ideas?

[buoyant gale]

Anyone

[buoyant gale]

Please do this so that you can piss off the fans who woobify one side and demonize the other

[raw zephyr]

I mean, you do kinda "heal" the bishops once you indoctrinate them.
The whole reason you kill them in the first place is because narindar told you do, once you are free you can choose to help reuinite them with their lost parts and make them happy. Narindar even slowly comes around the more quests you do for him, including giving his sons back.
Shamura even tells you they gave him the kits so he wouldnt be lonely in his punishment. Shamura never stopped caring about their brother.

I agree some more post game to get them to try to forgive each other would be nice.
Also be nice to be able to... have babies with your spouses

I treat all my follwers well, so everyone is happy in mine. Leshy even married me on his own accord, and shamura told me they love me, so i guess im treating them well.

[solid elbow]

@buoyant gale stop “bumping” your discussion please! It makes previous answers or questions buried deep within and harder to find.

Please refer to this when using a discussion!

“P.S. We have noticed a lot of users who 'bump' their thread in https://discord.com/channels/353179320644141057/1019982301574213722. Please avoid spamming this just to keep the post alive, as it buries previous discussions in each thread!

It would be better to add something meaningful to the discussion e.g. "I like this idea! And here's why" or "I think this idea could benefit from XYZ"

[buoyant gale]

Lamblesh jumpscare lol

[buoyant gale]

Maybe have Heket deal with her hypocrisy?

[buoyant gale]

This aged horribly

Seriously, WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!

[hidden forge]

Wha5 the hell was what

[woven salmon]

He's upset about the bishop quest and is crying about it everywhere lmao

[shut hazel]

I'm usually not that person at all but I'm visually impaired and have other health problems (born with rheumatism, other stuff). I don't mind ppl wishing for the bishops to heal, but I just like that they're disabled without their crowns. It is what it is, those things are permanent. Just my personal opinion, I don't feel offended for OP to wish they would heal (I'd like to heal too 😂).
But the whole game doesn't take itself too seriously. I'd like to see an arc where they "form a better relationship" but not ... I don't know, not like all those fanfics depict it. I like the fanfics, but the fics are AU to me, and this is the game

[shut hazel]

As a visually disabled person, not blind but grew up with blind ppl: if you are in the same environment for a while, you just know it very well without eyesight. Leshy hanging around in the cult grounds, it's actually realistic that he can navigate fairly well around it without any help. And it doesn't have to be realistic ofc, it's a game and a fictional character. So, if you relocate something, he should have trouble with that but that would go too far imo.
So, I don't mind your idea of giving Leshy some sort of tool, I just wanted to explain that in his case it makes sense to me that he doesn't need a walking stick

[proper shore]

The new update added a quest line that kind of does what you mentioned at the bottom

I mean they do stay disabled

[shut hazel]

I haven't played it yet, I started a new file as I always do 😂

[proper shore]

Well, hopefully you reached that point eventually

[shut hazel]

But good to know. I mean, in my old save file I already got from Heket and Kallamar the quest line but I didn't do it and decided to start a new file

[shut hazel]

I will, I've been playing it since day one, I always start a new file with a new update 😂

[proper shore]

This update should alter your gameplay cult wise quite significantly especially if you start from the beginning

[shut hazel]

It is really sweet and on the other hand we can let them fight each other and sacrifice them 😂 It clashes a little, I guess 😂

[shut hazel]

(Do we have info what the update changes? I haven't noticed much difference yet)

[proper shore]

It adds I believe 20 new traits. followers that are revived can be in a comatose state. followers can be secret spies and break descending followers out of jail. And followers also have more animations making them more lively. I can’t remember this being there before , but there is a chance of rain. And the day night cycle has been smooth.

And marriage has been altered quite significantly with jealous, murdering being possible

I know there’s more I just can’t remember everything

[shut hazel]

I like the fanfic idea (I take ages to catch up), iirc Narinder lashed out when they chained him. So, I understand he hurt them but Narinder can feel sorry for it when confronted with it 🤔

[shut hazel]

I hope I'm not annoying, I read a short story where Kallamar was responsible for the healing bay, Heket for cooking, Leshy is responsible for the crops and Shamura was knitting, but I'd let him craft the clothes 😊
The fic was really cute, can give you the link if you want to read it

[buoyant gale]

The entire questline just feels shallow to me

Like the writer wanted to hastily get the bishops out of the way so that they could focus on their precious Lamb

[buoyant gale]

Also, that person you're replying to is a proshipper, so uh....

[buoyant gale]

Is it really too much to ask for character development? Or is this game just going to remain like that forever

[shut hazel]

I can't tell you, I'm fine with both

[buoyant gale]

OK, now that some time has passed, I've cooled off a bit

[buoyant gale]

It's warming up to me

[sullen light]

this somewhat happened

but not the family healing

[buoyant gale]

That sort of did